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They are.
They are.
MySpace.
MySpace.
Are we just hyper aware or? Yeah. I don't hear it from you.
Are we just hyper aware or? Yeah. I don't hear it from you.
It's not driving me nuts. You're just aware of it.
It's not driving me nuts. You're just aware of it.
No. It doesn't bug me. It's just if I think it's an audio issue. Yeah, so you notice it during the... Well, you think there's like pops in the microphone or something? Well, sometimes if an edit's not smooth, it will create a pop. But sometimes it's just your teeth.
No. It doesn't bug me. It's just if I think it's an audio issue. Yeah, so you notice it during the... Well, you think there's like pops in the microphone or something? Well, sometimes if an edit's not smooth, it will create a pop. But sometimes it's just your teeth.
I think it's usually after the mix in master.
I think it's usually after the mix in master.
After you get it.
After you get it.
I looked at Dax's notes for the episode. And saw what he wrote down.
I looked at Dax's notes for the episode. And saw what he wrote down.
Do you want me to spell it for you? Splabowski. Yeah, let me find it again. Splabowski and Travowski. C-H-L-E-B-O-W-S-K-I. Chlebowski. And A-R-A-G-A-S-K-I.
Do you want me to spell it for you? Splabowski. Yeah, let me find it again. Splabowski and Travowski. C-H-L-E-B-O-W-S-K-I. Chlebowski. And A-R-A-G-A-S-K-I.
No, I almost did. Yeah. To put in here.
No, I almost did. Yeah. To put in here.
I have a quick David Chang update if you want to. Oh, yeah. David Chang update.
I have a quick David Chang update if you want to. Oh, yeah. David Chang update.
Oh, here we go.
Oh, here we go.
I had a little more time for this one.
I had a little more time for this one.
I mean, I was also the one doing it, so depending on what it was for, too. Right.
I mean, I was also the one doing it, so depending on what it was for, too. Right.
Hockey gets that a little bit because you've got four offensive lines and— Three defensive lines.
Hockey gets that a little bit because you've got four offensive lines and— Three defensive lines.
Yeah, Seuss landing in Orlando, Florida. In Orlando, Florida. I should go.
Yeah, Seuss landing in Orlando, Florida. In Orlando, Florida. I should go.
Yes. Okay. I do. I like the like yellowy. Kind of warm gold. Yeah, white lights.
Yes. Okay. I do. I like the like yellowy. Kind of warm gold. Yeah, white lights.
I mean, there's shades of white, too.
I mean, there's shades of white, too.
I have white lights, but they're kind of yellowy.
I have white lights, but they're kind of yellowy.
Do you want me to Google? Yes, I do.
Do you want me to Google? Yes, I do.
And pictures? And pictures.
And pictures? And pictures.
It removes most or all of the hair from the pubic region, including the front, sides, back, and often the area around the anus. Yeah.
It removes most or all of the hair from the pubic region, including the front, sides, back, and often the area around the anus. Yeah.
You have? For Natalie.
You have? For Natalie.
Did it make her horny? No. It was not meant to be.
Did it make her horny? No. It was not meant to be.
Wow. $89 for a book. That's a lot.
Wow. $89 for a book. That's a lot.
No hydration.
No hydration.
Because that's his name?
Because that's his name?
Yes. Yes. Yes to both. Yes.
Yes. Yes. Yes to both. Yes.
And think you're at the. Yeah. I see where you're going. I honestly hadn't ever thought of this.
And think you're at the. Yeah. I see where you're going. I honestly hadn't ever thought of this.
Monica, my sister, too.
Monica, my sister, too.
I don't know. I really don't know. Oh, my gosh. I'm looking at things in my life. I don't know.
I don't know. I really don't know. Oh, my gosh. I'm looking at things in my life. I don't know.
It could be. I mean, yeah, that's the best. I think that's the best we have to work on right now.
It could be. I mean, yeah, that's the best. I think that's the best we have to work on right now.
There's got to be. Monica's house was super close to mine. The other friend also lived like right down the road, too.
There's got to be. Monica's house was super close to mine. The other friend also lived like right down the road, too.
Yeah. Honestly, if you draw like a polygon of the four points, it's like a very small area. And so likely shared whatever water source. Oh, yeah. It's pretty, pretty.
Yeah. Honestly, if you draw like a polygon of the four points, it's like a very small area. And so likely shared whatever water source. Oh, yeah. It's pretty, pretty.
Oh, fuck. You're going to have to do a new podcast. You're going to start a new podcast where you investigate this issue.
Oh, fuck. You're going to have to do a new podcast. You're going to start a new podcast where you investigate this issue.
You're halfway there.
You're halfway there.
I will. Yeah, I'll report back. Yeah, I'll just start kind of casually throwing that into each conversation I have. So, by the way, this is kind of weird, but... You have a history of epilepsy and just kind of move on from there.
I will. Yeah, I'll report back. Yeah, I'll just start kind of casually throwing that into each conversation I have. So, by the way, this is kind of weird, but... You have a history of epilepsy and just kind of move on from there.
They're still in it, yeah. So they have a tough matchup against Ohio State because Ohio State looks really good right now. But, yeah, they're still in it.
They're still in it, yeah. So they have a tough matchup against Ohio State because Ohio State looks really good right now. But, yeah, they're still in it.
Shut up. Well, it can't be a fluke because the only team to beat Texas this year is Georgia. Georgia's beat Texas twice this year.
Shut up. Well, it can't be a fluke because the only team to beat Texas this year is Georgia. Georgia's beat Texas twice this year.
Yeah, you know how it's like, how can Federer be the best ever if he can't ever beat Nadal? You know? It's very similar.
Yeah, you know how it's like, how can Federer be the best ever if he can't ever beat Nadal? You know? It's very similar.
I'd love to help you. Let me know. I'm a hard worker, too, so just let me know what you need. All right.
I'd love to help you. Let me know. I'm a hard worker, too, so just let me know what you need. All right.
Don't make me. Okay. AI Google says that.
Don't make me. Okay. AI Google says that.
Right.
Right.
Hi, son.
Hi, son.
Tell me.
Tell me.
2025.
2025.
Yeah. That's a great name.
Yeah. That's a great name.
Well, maybe you have a bug.
Well, maybe you have a bug.
I think I have a bug.
I think I have a bug.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We can fact check it.
We can fact check it.
You know, you guys are right.
You know, you guys are right.
Yeah. With all that stuff you just said.
Yeah. With all that stuff you just said.
I can't wait. So excited.
I can't wait. So excited.
I rewatched it as well.
I rewatched it as well.
I mean, it's just what a show. It's fantastic.
I mean, it's just what a show. It's fantastic.
Oh, boy. Oh, I just got like sweaty.
Oh, boy. Oh, I just got like sweaty.
It was 99% screen time. Right.
It was 99% screen time. Right.
Oh, that was a hefty role.
Oh, that was a hefty role.
Hi, we just had a quick question.
Hi, we just had a quick question.
What in the goddamn hell is taking so long?
What in the goddamn hell is taking so long?
No, we're all storytellers.
No, we're all storytellers.
Yeah, I would like to stop.
Yeah, I would like to stop.
Oh, wow. Oh, this is so exciting.
Oh, wow. Oh, this is so exciting.
We're going to pull it for the fact check. Both of you saying it.
We're going to pull it for the fact check. Both of you saying it.
That's very exciting.
That's very exciting.
Yeah, I'm Googling it already. She has several dogs. Myron, a pit bull mix that was left behind by rapper Mac Miller.
Yeah, I'm Googling it already. She has several dogs. Myron, a pit bull mix that was left behind by rapper Mac Miller.
They don't love that people hang out there.
They don't love that people hang out there.
They do a dimpleplasty to make an incision in your cheek, remove a small amount of muscle and fat, and it creates a dimple.
They do a dimpleplasty to make an incision in your cheek, remove a small amount of muscle and fat, and it creates a dimple.
Well, they're they're invested in the garage rubber because when we do when that new couch came, Carly and I opened the garage to move it in and probably 400 crickets came out. So we need to get some cricket poison.
Well, they're they're invested in the garage rubber because when we do when that new couch came, Carly and I opened the garage to move it in and probably 400 crickets came out. So we need to get some cricket poison.
So I'm getting 50,000 or more. There's 510 urban areas in the U.S. with a population.
So I'm getting 50,000 or more. There's 510 urban areas in the U.S. with a population.
What's a Wagyu, right?
What's a Wagyu, right?
Oh my God. In class. That was the joke?
Oh my God. In class. That was the joke?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.
Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.
He's an object expert. Would you like a coffee or a Diet Coke?
He's an object expert. Would you like a coffee or a Diet Coke?
To be fair, I'll buy that. It looks blue on the TV back here, too.
To be fair, I'll buy that. It looks blue on the TV back here, too.
Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert if you dare.
Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert if you dare.
Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.
Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.
Those are good metrics. Right. In 2020, there were 40,000 in Utah. Oh, come on, guys. There's that many.
Those are good metrics. Right. In 2020, there were 40,000 in Utah. Oh, come on, guys. There's that many.
You got two that are lower. So the lowest is Wyoming.
You got two that are lower. So the lowest is Wyoming.
And then Montana, Vermont, Idaho, South Dakota, New Hampshire, Alaska, Hawaii, Maine, North Dakota, Utah. It's 11. OK, so I'm kind of wrong on that.
And then Montana, Vermont, Idaho, South Dakota, New Hampshire, Alaska, Hawaii, Maine, North Dakota, Utah. It's 11. OK, so I'm kind of wrong on that.
The Internet says it's usually because of lack of cultural knowledge that the phrases are offensive.
The Internet says it's usually because of lack of cultural knowledge that the phrases are offensive.
It's under this one, yeah.
It's under this one, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
We don't have a theme song for this new show, so here I go, go, go. We're going to ask some random questions, and with the help of our cherries, we'll get some suggestions. On the fly, Ryan Bishop.
We don't have a theme song for this new show, so here I go, go, go. We're going to ask some random questions, and with the help of our cherries, we'll get some suggestions. On the fly, Ryan Bishop.
I have so many moose things because of this attack. Everybody's in something from a moose.
I have so many moose things because of this attack. Everybody's in something from a moose.
Sellersville, Pennsylvania, Bucks County.
Sellersville, Pennsylvania, Bucks County.
And I used to travel to Alaska every winter with our sled dogs. I did that for 20 winters.
And I used to travel to Alaska every winter with our sled dogs. I did that for 20 winters.
No, the Adidarod is a distance race where they go about five to seven miles an hour. We do sprint mushing, so our average speed is over 20 miles an hour. Wow. And the advantage is it's only 10 to 20 miles, so I get to sleep in a warm bed at night, as do my dogs.
No, the Adidarod is a distance race where they go about five to seven miles an hour. We do sprint mushing, so our average speed is over 20 miles an hour. Wow. And the advantage is it's only 10 to 20 miles, so I get to sleep in a warm bed at night, as do my dogs.
Yeah, big truck. They got to be let out about six times a day. It's about an eight to ten day drive. And we do it in the winter. We go up around Thanksgiving and come home around Easter.
Yeah, big truck. They got to be let out about six times a day. It's about an eight to ten day drive. And we do it in the winter. We go up around Thanksgiving and come home around Easter.
I look back on it now and I wonder what was I thinking.
I look back on it now and I wonder what was I thinking.
I don't know what you know about moose, but if you travel out to the parks out west, they will tell you the single most dangerous animal you'll see out here isn't a grizzly bear, it isn't a timber wolf, it's a cow moose with a calf. And so in Alaska, it's always a concern because if you run into one with a calf, I've had friends that have had dogs that were stomped and killed.
I don't know what you know about moose, but if you travel out to the parks out west, they will tell you the single most dangerous animal you'll see out here isn't a grizzly bear, it isn't a timber wolf, it's a cow moose with a calf. And so in Alaska, it's always a concern because if you run into one with a calf, I've had friends that have had dogs that were stomped and killed.
Typical in the winter, a moose eats about 40 pounds of willows a day, which fills a 55 gallon trash can. And on cold winters, of course, the caloric needs are up. So they eat even more. So they tend to be more irritable. and a little more aggressive. So it adds a whole new layer to the word hangry.
Typical in the winter, a moose eats about 40 pounds of willows a day, which fills a 55 gallon trash can. And on cold winters, of course, the caloric needs are up. So they eat even more. So they tend to be more irritable. and a little more aggressive. So it adds a whole new layer to the word hangry.
But they don't necessarily want to get out of the way, because they're six foot at the shoulder, and they weigh about 1,400 pounds. Oh!
But they don't necessarily want to get out of the way, because they're six foot at the shoulder, and they weigh about 1,400 pounds. Oh!
So when I'm out with a sled dog team, you don't have reins on them. So your leaders are your steering wheel, and your lead dogs might be between 40 and 70 feet in front of you, depending on how big a team you're driving. So they don't always see what you see.
So when I'm out with a sled dog team, you don't have reins on them. So your leaders are your steering wheel, and your lead dogs might be between 40 and 70 feet in front of you, depending on how big a team you're driving. So they don't always see what you see.
And so on this particular training run, I was out several miles from our cabin and I went to make a right hand turn into the bush to go around a big loop. And as I told them to turn right, the leaders backed off like they saw something. I thought it was a squirrel or a rabbit. And then we turned behind and went around this big looper about 300 yards back in the bush. I come around the bend.
And so on this particular training run, I was out several miles from our cabin and I went to make a right hand turn into the bush to go around a big loop. And as I told them to turn right, the leaders backed off like they saw something. I thought it was a squirrel or a rabbit. And then we turned behind and went around this big looper about 300 yards back in the bush. I come around the bend.
and it wasn't a rabbit or a squirrel, it was a cow moose with a calf. I don't blame the moose, because think about what she's thinking. We went by her once, now we're turning around, she sees it as aggression. So I slam on the brakes, I have to make a split-second decision. I'm a dog lover. I've been in dogs my entire life.
and it wasn't a rabbit or a squirrel, it was a cow moose with a calf. I don't blame the moose, because think about what she's thinking. We went by her once, now we're turning around, she sees it as aggression. So I slam on the brakes, I have to make a split-second decision. I'm a dog lover. I've been in dogs my entire life.
I started screaming, waving my arms, trying to make myself big, hoping that she would leave the dogs alone and maybe wander off. But she did something that nobody expected, and certainly I didn't. She ignored the dog team and comes charging at me. So she leaves the dog team right next to her calf. I want the dogs out of there. I let go of the dog team, told them to go home.
I started screaming, waving my arms, trying to make myself big, hoping that she would leave the dogs alone and maybe wander off. But she did something that nobody expected, and certainly I didn't. She ignored the dog team and comes charging at me. So she leaves the dog team right next to her calf. I want the dogs out of there. I let go of the dog team, told them to go home.
And they take off and they're like, see ya. And I stupidly thought I could get to a birch tree behind me, climb the birch tree. Once the moose calmed down, then I could walk those miles back to the cabin. Bad idea.
And they take off and they're like, see ya. And I stupidly thought I could get to a birch tree behind me, climb the birch tree. Once the moose calmed down, then I could walk those miles back to the cabin. Bad idea.
They were very afraid of the moose. They just sort of laid down. Thank you.
They were very afraid of the moose. They just sort of laid down. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. I don't know. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for watching. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We'll be right back.
Thank you. Thank you. I don't know. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for watching. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We'll be right back.
On the ladder.
On the ladder.
I think that would have crossed my mind. Like, well, he's dead. He doesn't need this package. I was just trying not to get eaten alive by the cats. That's all I was worried about, just getting the fuck out of there.
I think that would have crossed my mind. Like, well, he's dead. He doesn't need this package. I was just trying not to get eaten alive by the cats. That's all I was worried about, just getting the fuck out of there.
You wouldn't be flattered if you died and Rob and I wanted to eat you?
You wouldn't be flattered if you died and Rob and I wanted to eat you?
I see both your guys' points.
I see both your guys' points.
If we're on an island and we have no food.
If we're on an island and we have no food.
This is relevant to the gym. I'm just laughing.
This is relevant to the gym. I'm just laughing.
All right, I'll let Steve in and I'll go grab them. Hello. Hi, Steve.
All right, I'll let Steve in and I'll go grab them. Hello. Hi, Steve.
That'd be nice. That'd be nice. Which would you rather happen? The proposal on the Jumbotron from last week or this?
That'd be nice. That'd be nice. Which would you rather happen? The proposal on the Jumbotron from last week or this?
I'm gonna text you guys photos for the next one. Don't look yet.
I'm gonna text you guys photos for the next one. Don't look yet.
Rob, did you have a ring for a while? Yeah, it was my grandma's ring that I got the diamond reset. I made a website for a fake restaurant that was like a prefix pop-up. Okay, this is very wob. And it was this Airbnb I rented on the lake in Chicago. And it had this whole outdoor balcony. And I had a friend that was a chef came and cooked an eight-course meal. Oh, my Lord.
Rob, did you have a ring for a while? Yeah, it was my grandma's ring that I got the diamond reset. I made a website for a fake restaurant that was like a prefix pop-up. Okay, this is very wob. And it was this Airbnb I rented on the lake in Chicago. And it had this whole outdoor balcony. And I had a friend that was a chef came and cooked an eight-course meal. Oh, my Lord.
So we got to the Airbnb, and he was there cooking. And so did you propose a baby?
So we got to the Airbnb, and he was there cooking. And so did you propose a baby?
No, it was by the end of dinner. But we got there, and it was just for us. And she saw him there.
No, it was by the end of dinner. But we got there, and it was just for us. And she saw him there.
Started putting together the pieces. Yeah.
Started putting together the pieces. Yeah.
Do you want to sing a tune or something? We don't have a theme song. Oh, okay, great.
Do you want to sing a tune or something? We don't have a theme song. Oh, okay, great.
Well, congratulations. You guys are such a cute couple. I'm so happy for both of you.
Well, congratulations. You guys are such a cute couple. I'm so happy for both of you.
We'll be right back.
We'll be right back.
Do you think so too, Rob?
Do you think so too, Rob?
Welcome, welcome, welcome.
Welcome, welcome, welcome.
Okay. And I think that includes Indian.
Okay. And I think that includes Indian.
What's your name? You got to introduce us. Yeah. I'm Rob. Have you ever heard the show? AKA Wobby Wob. This is Monica Padman.
What's your name? You got to introduce us. Yeah. I'm Rob. Have you ever heard the show? AKA Wobby Wob. This is Monica Padman.
Dex Shepard. Thanks for having us.
Dex Shepard. Thanks for having us.
We're picking our favorite episodes of the past. And my pick is Roy Choi.
We're picking our favorite episodes of the past. And my pick is Roy Choi.
A little baby at home.
A little baby at home.
It was two of my great-grandfather's names.
It was two of my great-grandfather's names.
He doesn't like to sleep much, but he's a good boy.
He doesn't like to sleep much, but he's a good boy.
You're not. Rob is. Well, does Vincent get more since I was 12 and a half when I had him? Great, great point. Yeah, so mom was 50. You were 12.5, so I don't know.
You're not. Rob is. Well, does Vincent get more since I was 12 and a half when I had him? Great, great point. Yeah, so mom was 50. You were 12.5, so I don't know.
I just loved him. The Asian-American journey he takes us through and kind of his outlook on food and making it kind of attainable for people and not just this high-end level of elitism. Yeah.
I just loved him. The Asian-American journey he takes us through and kind of his outlook on food and making it kind of attainable for people and not just this high-end level of elitism. Yeah.
Furries? I mean, people dress for cosplay for, like, comic books.
Furries? I mean, people dress for cosplay for, like, comic books.
I have a quick David Chang update if you want to. Oh, yeah. David Chang update.
Oh, here we go.
I had a little more time for this one.
I mean, I was also the one doing it, so depending on what it was for, too. Right.
Hockey gets that a little bit because you've got four offensive lines and— Three defensive lines.
They are.
MySpace.
Are we just hyper aware or? Yeah. I don't hear it from you.
It's not driving me nuts. You're just aware of it.
No. It doesn't bug me. It's just if I think it's an audio issue. Yeah, so you notice it during the... Well, you think there's like pops in the microphone or something? Well, sometimes if an edit's not smooth, it will create a pop. But sometimes it's just your teeth.
I think it's usually after the mix in master.
After you get it.
Well, congratulations. You guys are such a cute couple. I'm so happy for both of you.
We'll be right back.
Do you think so too, Rob?
Right.
Hi, son.
Tell me.
2025.
Yeah. That's a great name.
Well, maybe you have a bug.
I think I have a bug.
Thank you.
Yeah.
We can fact check it.
I have so many moose things because of this attack. Everybody's in something from a moose.
Sellersville, Pennsylvania, Bucks County.
And I used to travel to Alaska every winter with our sled dogs. I did that for 20 winters.
No, the Adidarod is a distance race where they go about five to seven miles an hour. We do sprint mushing, so our average speed is over 20 miles an hour. Wow. And the advantage is it's only 10 to 20 miles, so I get to sleep in a warm bed at night, as do my dogs.
Yeah, big truck. They got to be let out about six times a day. It's about an eight to ten day drive. And we do it in the winter. We go up around Thanksgiving and come home around Easter.
I look back on it now and I wonder what was I thinking.
I don't know what you know about moose, but if you travel out to the parks out west, they will tell you the single most dangerous animal you'll see out here isn't a grizzly bear, it isn't a timber wolf, it's a cow moose with a calf. And so in Alaska, it's always a concern because if you run into one with a calf, I've had friends that have had dogs that were stomped and killed.
Typical in the winter, a moose eats about 40 pounds of willows a day, which fills a 55 gallon trash can. And on cold winters, of course, the caloric needs are up. So they eat even more. So they tend to be more irritable. and a little more aggressive. So it adds a whole new layer to the word hangry.
But they don't necessarily want to get out of the way, because they're six foot at the shoulder, and they weigh about 1,400 pounds. Oh!
So when I'm out with a sled dog team, you don't have reins on them. So your leaders are your steering wheel, and your lead dogs might be between 40 and 70 feet in front of you, depending on how big a team you're driving. So they don't always see what you see.
And so on this particular training run, I was out several miles from our cabin and I went to make a right hand turn into the bush to go around a big loop. And as I told them to turn right, the leaders backed off like they saw something. I thought it was a squirrel or a rabbit. And then we turned behind and went around this big looper about 300 yards back in the bush. I come around the bend.
and it wasn't a rabbit or a squirrel, it was a cow moose with a calf. I don't blame the moose, because think about what she's thinking. We went by her once, now we're turning around, she sees it as aggression. So I slam on the brakes, I have to make a split-second decision. I'm a dog lover. I've been in dogs my entire life.
I started screaming, waving my arms, trying to make myself big, hoping that she would leave the dogs alone and maybe wander off. But she did something that nobody expected, and certainly I didn't. She ignored the dog team and comes charging at me. So she leaves the dog team right next to her calf. I want the dogs out of there. I let go of the dog team, told them to go home.
And they take off and they're like, see ya. And I stupidly thought I could get to a birch tree behind me, climb the birch tree. Once the moose calmed down, then I could walk those miles back to the cabin. Bad idea.
They were very afraid of the moose. They just sort of laid down. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. I don't know. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for watching. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We'll be right back.
I looked at Dax's notes for the episode. And saw what he wrote down.
Do you want me to spell it for you? Splabowski. Yeah, let me find it again. Splabowski and Travowski. C-H-L-E-B-O-W-S-K-I. Chlebowski. And A-R-A-G-A-S-K-I.
No, I almost did. Yeah. To put in here.
So I'm getting 50,000 or more. There's 510 urban areas in the U.S. with a population.
What's a Wagyu, right?
On the ladder.
That'd be nice. That'd be nice. Which would you rather happen? The proposal on the Jumbotron from last week or this?
I'm gonna text you guys photos for the next one. Don't look yet.
Rob, did you have a ring for a while? Yeah, it was my grandma's ring that I got the diamond reset. I made a website for a fake restaurant that was like a prefix pop-up. Okay, this is very wob. And it was this Airbnb I rented on the lake in Chicago. And it had this whole outdoor balcony. And I had a friend that was a chef came and cooked an eight-course meal. Oh, my Lord.
So we got to the Airbnb, and he was there cooking. And so did you propose a baby?
No, it was by the end of dinner. But we got there, and it was just for us. And she saw him there.
Started putting together the pieces. Yeah.
Do you want to sing a tune or something? We don't have a theme song. Oh, okay, great.
Oh my God. In class. That was the joke?
Thank you.
You know, you guys are right.
Yeah. With all that stuff you just said.
I can't wait. So excited.
I rewatched it as well.
I mean, it's just what a show. It's fantastic.
Oh, boy. Oh, I just got like sweaty.
It was 99% screen time. Right.
Oh, that was a hefty role.
Hi, we just had a quick question.
What in the goddamn hell is taking so long?
No, we're all storytellers.
Yeah, I would like to stop.
Oh, wow. Oh, this is so exciting.
We're going to pull it for the fact check. Both of you saying it.
That's very exciting.
Wow. $89 for a book. That's a lot.
No hydration.
Because that's his name?
Yes. Yes. Yes to both. Yes.
And think you're at the. Yeah. I see where you're going. I honestly hadn't ever thought of this.
Monica, my sister, too.
I don't know. I really don't know. Oh, my gosh. I'm looking at things in my life. I don't know.
It could be. I mean, yeah, that's the best. I think that's the best we have to work on right now.
There's got to be. Monica's house was super close to mine. The other friend also lived like right down the road, too.
Yeah. Honestly, if you draw like a polygon of the four points, it's like a very small area. And so likely shared whatever water source. Oh, yeah. It's pretty, pretty.
Oh, fuck. You're going to have to do a new podcast. You're going to start a new podcast where you investigate this issue.
You're halfway there.
I will. Yeah, I'll report back. Yeah, I'll just start kind of casually throwing that into each conversation I have. So, by the way, this is kind of weird, but... You have a history of epilepsy and just kind of move on from there.
They're still in it, yeah. So they have a tough matchup against Ohio State because Ohio State looks really good right now. But, yeah, they're still in it.
Shut up. Well, it can't be a fluke because the only team to beat Texas this year is Georgia. Georgia's beat Texas twice this year.
Yeah, you know how it's like, how can Federer be the best ever if he can't ever beat Nadal? You know? It's very similar.
I'd love to help you. Let me know. I'm a hard worker, too, so just let me know what you need. All right.
Don't make me. Okay. AI Google says that.
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He's an object expert. Would you like a coffee or a Diet Coke?
To be fair, I'll buy that. It looks blue on the TV back here, too.
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Those are good metrics. Right. In 2020, there were 40,000 in Utah. Oh, come on, guys. There's that many.
You got two that are lower. So the lowest is Wyoming.
And then Montana, Vermont, Idaho, South Dakota, New Hampshire, Alaska, Hawaii, Maine, North Dakota, Utah. It's 11. OK, so I'm kind of wrong on that.
The Internet says it's usually because of lack of cultural knowledge that the phrases are offensive.
It's under this one, yeah.
Welcome, welcome, welcome.
Okay. And I think that includes Indian.
What's your name? You got to introduce us. Yeah. I'm Rob. Have you ever heard the show? AKA Wobby Wob. This is Monica Padman.
Dex Shepard. Thanks for having us.
We're picking our favorite episodes of the past. And my pick is Roy Choi.
A little baby at home.
It was two of my great-grandfather's names.
He doesn't like to sleep much, but he's a good boy.
You're not. Rob is. Well, does Vincent get more since I was 12 and a half when I had him? Great, great point. Yeah, so mom was 50. You were 12.5, so I don't know.
I just loved him. The Asian-American journey he takes us through and kind of his outlook on food and making it kind of attainable for people and not just this high-end level of elitism. Yeah.
Furries? I mean, people dress for cosplay for, like, comic books.
I think that would have crossed my mind. Like, well, he's dead. He doesn't need this package. I was just trying not to get eaten alive by the cats. That's all I was worried about, just getting the fuck out of there.
You wouldn't be flattered if you died and Rob and I wanted to eat you?
I see both your guys' points.
If we're on an island and we have no food.
This is relevant to the gym. I'm just laughing.
All right, I'll let Steve in and I'll go grab them. Hello. Hi, Steve.
Yeah, I'm Googling it already. She has several dogs. Myron, a pit bull mix that was left behind by rapper Mac Miller.
They don't love that people hang out there.
They do a dimpleplasty to make an incision in your cheek, remove a small amount of muscle and fat, and it creates a dimple.
Well, they're they're invested in the garage rubber because when we do when that new couch came, Carly and I opened the garage to move it in and probably 400 crickets came out. So we need to get some cricket poison.
Yeah, Seuss landing in Orlando, Florida. In Orlando, Florida. I should go.
Yes. Okay. I do. I like the like yellowy. Kind of warm gold. Yeah, white lights.
I mean, there's shades of white, too.
I have white lights, but they're kind of yellowy.
Do you want me to Google? Yes, I do.
And pictures? And pictures.
It removes most or all of the hair from the pubic region, including the front, sides, back, and often the area around the anus. Yeah.
You have? For Natalie.
Did it make her horny? No. It was not meant to be.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
We don't have a theme song for this new show, so here I go, go, go. We're going to ask some random questions, and with the help of our cherries, we'll get some suggestions. On the fly, Ryan Bishop.
Guys, I'm trying, all right?
Guys, I'm trying, all right?
Yeah, I think I was. You know, after being on your show, like, she pretty much told me she wanted me to be more romantic. Yeah. So we went on a second date, and I kind of went over the top, I think. I hired, like, this 20-person flash mob.
Yeah, I think I was. You know, after being on your show, like, she pretty much told me she wanted me to be more romantic. Yeah. So we went on a second date, and I kind of went over the top, I think. I hired, like, this 20-person flash mob.
To take us back home. Dude. I had her favorite song playing on my phone. You know, we both did this thing together. Okay, but we asked, did you do anything romantic, though?
To take us back home. Dude. I had her favorite song playing on my phone. You know, we both did this thing together. Okay, but we asked, did you do anything romantic, though?
Well, after I did all that, she didn't talk to me for, like, two weeks. What?
Well, after I did all that, she didn't talk to me for, like, two weeks. What?
Yeah, I made her this photo scrapbook of pictures of us. There's only like two pictures, but she liked it.
Yeah, I made her this photo scrapbook of pictures of us. There's only like two pictures, but she liked it.
Yeah, I think so. I hope she likes me.
Yeah, I think so. I hope she likes me.
He's like, I'm not sure.
He's like, I'm not sure.
Yeah, well, you know, I'm trying, and I'm also not trying, and so I'm keeping it in the middle. Okay. Oh, my God.
Yeah, well, you know, I'm trying, and I'm also not trying, and so I'm keeping it in the middle. Okay. Oh, my God.
yeah i don't know i just found it endearing i thought she was kind of wholesome and not really the type of girl that i would normally go for but it's interesting because it could be wholesome or it could be that she's done all those things so much that she can't do them anymore party life okay well what's her name her name's maggie all right how'd you meet her
yeah i don't know i just found it endearing i thought she was kind of wholesome and not really the type of girl that i would normally go for but it's interesting because it could be wholesome or it could be that she's done all those things so much that she can't do them anymore party life okay well what's her name her name's maggie all right how'd you meet her
We met online, but I just thought her pictures were so natural. She was very naturally beautiful. Oh, that's sweet. The pictures weren't Photoshopped, and she wasn't out at the club. It was just kind of pictures of her hanging out with her friends, and I just thought it was nice.
We met online, but I just thought her pictures were so natural. She was very naturally beautiful. Oh, that's sweet. The pictures weren't Photoshopped, and she wasn't out at the club. It was just kind of pictures of her hanging out with her friends, and I just thought it was nice.
Well, so she doesn't like to drink, so we got ramen and And then we went and got ice cream.
Well, so she doesn't like to drink, so we got ramen and And then we went and got ice cream.
Well, I learned that they actually have vegan ice cream. Oh, no, Jeff. Oh, cool.
Well, I learned that they actually have vegan ice cream. Oh, no, Jeff. Oh, cool.
So how did date number one end? So there was no kiss at the end, but it was like a long hug. Okay. And she actually suggested that we go out again the next day.
So how did date number one end? So there was no kiss at the end, but it was like a long hug. Okay. And she actually suggested that we go out again the next day.
So the next day, I was like, you get to pick where we want to go. So we went to a vegan restaurant.
So the next day, I was like, you get to pick where we want to go. So we went to a vegan restaurant.
How was it? I mean, it was okay. I didn't mind it.
How was it? I mean, it was okay. I didn't mind it.
I mean, after that date, we definitely kissed.
I mean, after that date, we definitely kissed.
Well, so then after the date, she starts texting me. And like, it's text like, I can't wait to see you. There's a lot of love gifs and memes about love. And she was really accentuating the love aspect of everything. And, you know, it was a little bit much.
Well, so then after the date, she starts texting me. And like, it's text like, I can't wait to see you. There's a lot of love gifs and memes about love. And she was really accentuating the love aspect of everything. And, you know, it was a little bit much.
Yeah, well, what happened was she sent me a Spotify song. It's a song by Starship called We Built This Thing Together. I don't know if you guys know that song. Oh.
Yeah, well, what happened was she sent me a Spotify song. It's a song by Starship called We Built This Thing Together. I don't know if you guys know that song. Oh.
Well, I said, oh, that's a nice song. I'm not really into the song, though. I'm not really a big fan of it. And that totally changed things for her.
Well, I said, oh, that's a nice song. I'm not really into the song, though. I'm not really a big fan of it. And that totally changed things for her.
I was just a little confused by it. Yeah. Okay.
I was just a little confused by it. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, I just want to see where she's at, and I hope I didn't offend her, and I just want you to check for me.
Yeah, I just want to see where she's at, and I hope I didn't offend her, and I just want you to check for me.
Yeah, I don't know how to tell her that politely. If she is that kind of person, I don't necessarily want to change her, you know? Okay. We'll let Brooke tell her to cut that crap out.
Yeah, I don't know how to tell her that politely. If she is that kind of person, I don't necessarily want to change her, you know? Okay. We'll let Brooke tell her to cut that crap out.
Yeah, I mean, the way you put it, I guess I kind of see it like I was being a little rude. So, yeah, I would like to apologize.
Yeah, I mean, the way you put it, I guess I kind of see it like I was being a little rude. So, yeah, I would like to apologize.
How you doing?
How you doing?
could you know i just i wanted to apologize for blowing off your song i didn't realize that it meant so much to you but you know i hear what you're saying about um being more romantic it's you know we've only been on two dates so maybe i need a little bit of a build-up take my time a little bit okay rob's a little bit more of a slow burner but he's willing to burn a little bit faster for you
could you know i just i wanted to apologize for blowing off your song i didn't realize that it meant so much to you but you know i hear what you're saying about um being more romantic it's you know we've only been on two dates so maybe i need a little bit of a build-up take my time a little bit okay rob's a little bit more of a slow burner but he's willing to burn a little bit faster for you
It'd be that song, Maggie, by Rod Stewart.
It'd be that song, Maggie, by Rod Stewart.
Guys, I'm trying, all right?
Yeah, I think I was. You know, after being on your show, like, she pretty much told me she wanted me to be more romantic. Yeah. So we went on a second date, and I kind of went over the top, I think. I hired, like, this 20-person flash mob.
To take us back home. Dude. I had her favorite song playing on my phone. You know, we both did this thing together. Okay, but we asked, did you do anything romantic, though?
Well, after I did all that, she didn't talk to me for, like, two weeks. What?
Yeah, I made her this photo scrapbook of pictures of us. There's only like two pictures, but she liked it.
Yeah, I think so. I hope she likes me.
He's like, I'm not sure.
Yeah, well, you know, I'm trying, and I'm also not trying, and so I'm keeping it in the middle. Okay. Oh, my God.
yeah i don't know i just found it endearing i thought she was kind of wholesome and not really the type of girl that i would normally go for but it's interesting because it could be wholesome or it could be that she's done all those things so much that she can't do them anymore party life okay well what's her name her name's maggie all right how'd you meet her
We met online, but I just thought her pictures were so natural. She was very naturally beautiful. Oh, that's sweet. The pictures weren't Photoshopped, and she wasn't out at the club. It was just kind of pictures of her hanging out with her friends, and I just thought it was nice.
Well, so she doesn't like to drink, so we got ramen and And then we went and got ice cream.
Well, I learned that they actually have vegan ice cream. Oh, no, Jeff. Oh, cool.
So how did date number one end? So there was no kiss at the end, but it was like a long hug. Okay. And she actually suggested that we go out again the next day.
So the next day, I was like, you get to pick where we want to go. So we went to a vegan restaurant.
How was it? I mean, it was okay. I didn't mind it.
I mean, after that date, we definitely kissed.
Well, so then after the date, she starts texting me. And like, it's text like, I can't wait to see you. There's a lot of love gifs and memes about love. And she was really accentuating the love aspect of everything. And, you know, it was a little bit much.
Yeah, well, what happened was she sent me a Spotify song. It's a song by Starship called We Built This Thing Together. I don't know if you guys know that song. Oh.
Well, I said, oh, that's a nice song. I'm not really into the song, though. I'm not really a big fan of it. And that totally changed things for her.
I was just a little confused by it. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, I just want to see where she's at, and I hope I didn't offend her, and I just want you to check for me.
Yeah, I don't know how to tell her that politely. If she is that kind of person, I don't necessarily want to change her, you know? Okay. We'll let Brooke tell her to cut that crap out.
Yeah, I mean, the way you put it, I guess I kind of see it like I was being a little rude. So, yeah, I would like to apologize.
How you doing?
could you know i just i wanted to apologize for blowing off your song i didn't realize that it meant so much to you but you know i hear what you're saying about um being more romantic it's you know we've only been on two dates so maybe i need a little bit of a build-up take my time a little bit okay rob's a little bit more of a slow burner but he's willing to burn a little bit faster for you
It'd be that song, Maggie, by Rod Stewart.
I called my family. They gave me my phone on the way to the airport and I knew I wasn't going to have service. So I called my family in like a group chat FaceTime, you know?
I called my family. They gave me my phone on the way to the airport and I knew I wasn't going to have service. So I called my family in like a group chat FaceTime, you know?
They put in the whole clip because it was that. I said, I hope she has a terrible personality.
They put in the whole clip because it was that. I said, I hope she has a terrible personality.
She's not a blonde. She's brunette. She has blonde hair, but she's not a blonde.
She's not a blonde. She's brunette. She has blonde hair, but she's not a blonde.
Yeah. She's got brown eyes, dark features. She's not a blonde.
Yeah. She's got brown eyes, dark features. She's not a blonde.
Yeah, but it doesn't, come on. It's not the hair. That's not what makes you blonde or brunette to me.
Yeah, but it doesn't, come on. It's not the hair. That's not what makes you blonde or brunette to me.
Well, also like, I don't follow like a rubric of like, She has blonde hair. Done. Like that's not, I don't really, when people ask me, I say I don't have a type.
Well, also like, I don't follow like a rubric of like, She has blonde hair. Done. Like that's not, I don't really, when people ask me, I say I don't have a type.
But I do typically like brunettes.
But I do typically like brunettes.
Like my track record, definitely more into breasts.
Like my track record, definitely more into breasts.
First conversation, It was nice, but it wasn't like romantic. Like I didn't feel, I enjoyed talking to her. Like we apparently talked for like a really long time.
First conversation, It was nice, but it wasn't like romantic. Like I didn't feel, I enjoyed talking to her. Like we apparently talked for like a really long time.
Immediately. I saw all their faces and I was really nervous because I was like, I was either worried that they were going to be like, But they were all like, hey, like they were so happy to see me. And they seemed like they were so proud of you. Like you did so good. You were yourself the whole time. And I was like, oh, what a relief.
Immediately. I saw all their faces and I was really nervous because I was like, I was either worried that they were going to be like, But they were all like, hey, like they were so happy to see me. And they seemed like they were so proud of you. Like you did so good. You were yourself the whole time. And I was like, oh, what a relief.
And I didn't realize that we were talking that long. So like it went really well. But it wasn't like, like it wasn't like, I was, I was still like pretty all in on Leah at that point.
And I didn't realize that we were talking that long. So like it went really well. But it wasn't like, like it wasn't like, I was, I was still like pretty all in on Leah at that point.
Well, we had, we literally just had that one convo.
Well, we had, we literally just had that one convo.
Yeah. Before, before the next day she took me on a date, but that night we just had one conversation.
Yeah. Before, before the next day she took me on a date, but that night we just had one conversation.
Of course. Cause I didn't want to hurt her. I still really liked her. Like I was like, That's something I think that people don't understand. Like, there was never a point where I stopped liking Leah. And when... Well, I guess we'll get to that. But yeah.
Of course. Cause I didn't want to hurt her. I still really liked her. Like I was like, That's something I think that people don't understand. Like, there was never a point where I stopped liking Leah. And when... Well, I guess we'll get to that. But yeah.
Yeah. Definitely. It was stressing me out. Like, it was stressing me out because I was... I told myself... That I was going to get to know every girl and I was going to try to figure out who was going to be my best match, no matter how much I liked the girl I was with.
Yeah. Definitely. It was stressing me out. Like, it was stressing me out because I was... I told myself... That I was going to get to know every girl and I was going to try to figure out who was going to be my best match, no matter how much I liked the girl I was with.
Because that's what the level of experience, that's what you're supposed to do.
Because that's what the level of experience, that's what you're supposed to do.
And that, you know, that's what they tell you. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to do that. And so I was like, I got it. And it was like a good enough conversation where I was like, I'm giving this a chance. Like, I'm just going to see where it goes.
And that, you know, that's what they tell you. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to do that. And so I was like, I got it. And it was like a good enough conversation where I was like, I'm giving this a chance. Like, I'm just going to see where it goes.
You would never do that.
You would never do that.
Not really. I'm not really like, I don't like talking to people that much. So like it's usually.
Not really. I'm not really like, I don't like talking to people that much. So like it's usually.
Yeah, I'm terrible on my phone. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm terrible on my phone. Yeah.
calling FaceTime is usually much better.
calling FaceTime is usually much better.
I'm a caller, but I will FaceTime.
I'm a caller, but I will FaceTime.
I mean, yeah, like it's definitely, it's definitely happened. Like I've definitely been, but I mean, that's when you're single, like, yeah, you're going to get to know multiple people at a time, but like, it's not like I've never like dated multiple women.
I mean, yeah, like it's definitely, it's definitely happened. Like I've definitely been, but I mean, that's when you're single, like, yeah, you're going to get to know multiple people at a time, but like, it's not like I've never like dated multiple women.
Yeah. I'm a romantic heart for sure.
Yeah. I'm a romantic heart for sure.
Probably took her to catch turtles at 2 a.m.
Probably took her to catch turtles at 2 a.m.
I don't know. It seemed pretty special to me. The moon was out and it was like, it was really nice. I enjoyed it a lot. It's quiet. It's kind of scary. So she's like, wants to be close. And it's like, I don't know. Turtles are cute.
I don't know. It seemed pretty special to me. The moon was out and it was like, it was really nice. I enjoyed it a lot. It's quiet. It's kind of scary. So she's like, wants to be close. And it's like, I don't know. Turtles are cute.
I don't know. Most romantic thing. I can't think of that off the top of my head. I used to, I like making things a lot.
I don't know. Most romantic thing. I can't think of that off the top of my head. I used to, I like making things a lot.
I made an emerald necklace for my first girlfriend from an emerald that I mined in North Carolina. Wow, that's romantic. Yeah, I like making stuff. I'm crafty like that.
I made an emerald necklace for my first girlfriend from an emerald that I mined in North Carolina. Wow, that's romantic. Yeah, I like making stuff. I'm crafty like that.
I just didn't know. Like I didn't know because like it's a TV show, right?
I just didn't know. Like I didn't know because like it's a TV show, right?
It wasn't for me at all. If it seemed that way, that's not how it was really. It was like, I don't know. I haven't seen it, so I don't know, but I've seen clips obviously like on TikTok and stuff. I feel like it was condensed down to like, I don't know how long, but like it was a pretty long conversation that slowly got worse and worse and worse and worse. And it was kind of,
It wasn't for me at all. If it seemed that way, that's not how it was really. It was like, I don't know. I haven't seen it, so I don't know, but I've seen clips obviously like on TikTok and stuff. I feel like it was condensed down to like, I don't know how long, but like it was a pretty long conversation that slowly got worse and worse and worse and worse. And it was kind of,
Like, Leah was coming at me, like, saying what she was saying, which I thought was, like, perfectly valid. And I kept telling her that. I was like, I get where you're coming from. And, like, I'm trying to see from your perspective. Because I get that this is hurting you. It would hurt me, too, if I was in your shoes. And then every time I tried to talk, she kept, like, cutting me off.
Like, Leah was coming at me, like, saying what she was saying, which I thought was, like, perfectly valid. And I kept telling her that. I was like, I get where you're coming from. And, like, I'm trying to see from your perspective. Because I get that this is hurting you. It would hurt me, too, if I was in your shoes. And then every time I tried to talk, she kept, like, cutting me off.
I know what happened. I was there.
I know what happened. I was there.
And she wouldn't let me speak. And I started getting emotional. And then I was like, I just need to step away. And then I started crying and I was like, bro, what the fuck are you doing? And I think just crying induced like a panic attack. Like I was just, I was, I was fully freaking out.
And she wouldn't let me speak. And I started getting emotional. And then I was like, I just need to step away. And then I started crying and I was like, bro, what the fuck are you doing? And I think just crying induced like a panic attack. Like I was just, I was, I was fully freaking out.
I knew that I was authentic the whole time. Right. But it can get clipped and it can get edited. And like, yeah, you know.
I knew that I was authentic the whole time. Right. But it can get clipped and it can get edited. And like, yeah, you know.
absolutely freaking out and then I kind of got it together I went back down sat with her and she just started talking again like saying the same things and and just didn't like act like what what set me off was she just didn't ask me like how I felt which I think that triggered a lot of people they were like it matters more what she feels in that moment and 100% I was the one causing this situation yeah and I was taking responsibility for that I was trying to
absolutely freaking out and then I kind of got it together I went back down sat with her and she just started talking again like saying the same things and and just didn't like act like what what set me off was she just didn't ask me like how I felt which I think that triggered a lot of people they were like it matters more what she feels in that moment and 100% I was the one causing this situation yeah and I was taking responsibility for that I was trying to
But also, I just needed someone just to check on me in that moment. And for me, up until that moment, she was that person. And I kind of felt like just that she didn't care at all, which isn't true. It was just she was really upset. And rightfully so.
But also, I just needed someone just to check on me in that moment. And for me, up until that moment, she was that person. And I kind of felt like just that she didn't care at all, which isn't true. It was just she was really upset. And rightfully so.
it was everything it was it was knowing that i was gonna have to choose between these two girls one that i just met but i was really like want to give a chance and i liked and then leah that i've just been so it's been great the whole time and honestly like i had no idea what i was gonna do yeah i really like i like and i didn't know it's very short windows of time where you have to make decisions and stuff and like i knew leah wasn't going anywhere yeah so i don't know
it was everything it was it was knowing that i was gonna have to choose between these two girls one that i just met but i was really like want to give a chance and i liked and then leah that i've just been so it's been great the whole time and honestly like i had no idea what i was gonna do yeah i really like i like and i didn't know it's very short windows of time where you have to make decisions and stuff and like i knew leah wasn't going anywhere yeah so i don't know
I fucked up I was just like I think honestly had that not happened I probably would have stayed with Leah I think because that was after that happened I was like I was like well that was terrible and then at that point like my head was I feel like after that my gut was telling me like like you should just go with Andrea but my head was still like
I fucked up I was just like I think honestly had that not happened I probably would have stayed with Leah I think because that was after that happened I was like I was like well that was terrible and then at that point like my head was I feel like after that my gut was telling me like like you should just go with Andrea but my head was still like
you really get on with leah like it's really good but i was hurt and i should i i wish i could have just something i needed to hear in that moment that i wish someone would have came up into me and said was advice that i gave everyone else later down the road was you need to just take yourself out of love island for like 10 minutes and just realize you just met these girls it's not that big of a deal
you really get on with leah like it's really good but i was hurt and i should i i wish i could have just something i needed to hear in that moment that i wish someone would have came up into me and said was advice that i gave everyone else later down the road was you need to just take yourself out of love island for like 10 minutes and just realize you just met these girls it's not that big of a deal
It's honestly like at this point, like too much to even, it's just a refresh and then it's like a new page.
It's honestly like at this point, like too much to even, it's just a refresh and then it's like a new page.
why are you so emotional like really like pick it apart because i didn't know i was like why am i crying so much i like and i thought that but i didn't take myself out of it completely and i think if i had done that i think it would have been a lot different
why are you so emotional like really like pick it apart because i didn't know i was like why am i crying so much i like and i thought that but i didn't take myself out of it completely and i think if i had done that i think it would have been a lot different
I had a really good conversation with Noah from Stranger Things.
I had a really good conversation with Noah from Stranger Things.
Was it exactly what I said?
Was it exactly what I said?
Yeah, it was, I felt like our, we weren't, like, we didn't know what each other wanted. Like, it was kind of, like, a weird thing.
Yeah, it was, I felt like our, we weren't, like, we didn't know what each other wanted. Like, it was kind of, like, a weird thing.
Yeah, we made out, like, a couple times. And it was good. It wasn't bad. I was just, like, I don't know why that came up, but... But yeah, I was just letting her know. And there, like you said, anything you don't say to somebody is wasting their time. And I felt like I needed to be as transparent with everyone as I could.
Yeah, we made out, like, a couple times. And it was good. It wasn't bad. I was just, like, I don't know why that came up, but... But yeah, I was just letting her know. And there, like you said, anything you don't say to somebody is wasting their time. And I felt like I needed to be as transparent with everyone as I could.
Yeah, but it wasn't like, I feel like we didn't click sexually. Does that make sense? Found her really attractive, everything. But when we kissed and stuff, it was like, it felt like she was holding back. She told me, and she said she was. Like she said, oh, that's because, she said it was because the first night when we had our first kiss, I said, please be gentle. I was joking.
Yeah, but it wasn't like, I feel like we didn't click sexually. Does that make sense? Found her really attractive, everything. But when we kissed and stuff, it was like, it felt like she was holding back. She told me, and she said she was. Like she said, oh, that's because, she said it was because the first night when we had our first kiss, I said, please be gentle. I was joking.
before we kissed and she said that's why she said that from then on she like would like hesitate like kissing me and stuff and she said that was why and do you think if that i was like i was like well that makes sense because that's what it felt like it felt like i couldn't tell if she wanted to kiss me whenever we would we'd like make out and i'm like does she want to stop like i couldn't tell he was really weird and i'm glad i told her because well i don't think we made out again after that but but i i told her that and she was like oh yeah i was holding back um because you said that the first time we kissed i was like that was a joke
before we kissed and she said that's why she said that from then on she like would like hesitate like kissing me and stuff and she said that was why and do you think if that i was like i was like well that makes sense because that's what it felt like it felt like i couldn't tell if she wanted to kiss me whenever we would we'd like make out and i'm like does she want to stop like i couldn't tell he was really weird and i'm glad i told her because well i don't think we made out again after that but but i i told her that and she was like oh yeah i was holding back um because you said that the first time we kissed i was like that was a joke
But am I wrong for like telling her that?
But am I wrong for like telling her that?
But it was so funny. And then we just talked about the show. He was just a big fan. And I just talked to him about it. Oh, wait. Should I not say it? Well, he just said it was fine. He said, I love you on Love Island. You stole my heart. And I said, thank you so much. I love Stranger Things. Thank you, Noah Schnapp from the hit TV show Stranger Things.
But it was so funny. And then we just talked about the show. He was just a big fan. And I just talked to him about it. Oh, wait. Should I not say it? Well, he just said it was fine. He said, I love you on Love Island. You stole my heart. And I said, thank you so much. I love Stranger Things. Thank you, Noah Schnapp from the hit TV show Stranger Things.
I mean, maybe. But no, like it was more of just telling her everything about us, like on the table. So if that did happen, like she understands where I'm at. Like I didn't want, I didn't want to blindside anyone. And I feel like I ended up blindsiding her because I didn't get the chance to talk to her before the recoupling thing.
I mean, maybe. But no, like it was more of just telling her everything about us, like on the table. So if that did happen, like she understands where I'm at. Like I didn't want, I didn't want to blindside anyone. And I feel like I ended up blindsiding her because I didn't get the chance to talk to her before the recoupling thing.
That was like, that's one of my biggest regrets is I should have insisted because I wasn't able to get to her and I should have been like, no, we're not, I need to talk to Leah before this. Like, cause I knew it was going to happen, but yeah.
That was like, that's one of my biggest regrets is I should have insisted because I wasn't able to get to her and I should have been like, no, we're not, I need to talk to Leah before this. Like, cause I knew it was going to happen, but yeah.
I wasn't able to talk to her. That's all I can say. I didn't get the I didn't get the chance. I didn't get the chance to talk to her.
I wasn't able to talk to her. That's all I can say. I didn't get the I didn't get the chance. I didn't get the chance to talk to her.
make it look kind of like oh i'm this sucks for me too and like kind of get you out unscathed what do you say to that that's completely not true i mean you can ask anyone that i would never never want to cry like no definitely not that was completely genuine okay unfortunately um i wish it didn't happen at all the pool was there nowhere else to go So this is one of those things I should.
make it look kind of like oh i'm this sucks for me too and like kind of get you out unscathed what do you say to that that's completely not true i mean you can ask anyone that i would never never want to cry like no definitely not that was completely genuine okay unfortunately um i wish it didn't happen at all the pool was there nowhere else to go So this is one of those things I should.
So in my head, I wasn't planning on going to the pool, but I saw it. I walked down the stairs, saw it. I was like, oh, I had noticed earlier that day you could go up onto the deck and there's no cameras. There's no mics. I just wanted to be alone. I was like, fuck this shit. And I was like, all right, I'm going in there. And so I took my clothes off. I jumped in.
So in my head, I wasn't planning on going to the pool, but I saw it. I walked down the stairs, saw it. I was like, oh, I had noticed earlier that day you could go up onto the deck and there's no cameras. There's no mics. I just wanted to be alone. I was like, fuck this shit. And I was like, all right, I'm going in there. And so I took my clothes off. I jumped in.
I went in there and then I got in there and I was like. They probably think I'm killing myself or something. I was like, this is a terrible idea. This was an awful idea. So then I got out and then I just walked out. And that's what I should have done. I should have just walked out because I needed to be alone. That's what I needed. But I knew they were going to stop me.
I went in there and then I got in there and I was like. They probably think I'm killing myself or something. I was like, this is a terrible idea. This was an awful idea. So then I got out and then I just walked out. And that's what I should have done. I should have just walked out because I needed to be alone. That's what I needed. But I knew they were going to stop me.
I knew if I walked out, they were going to stop me, whatever. But I knew there, I'd get in the pool. What are they going to do? Fish me out? But yeah, it was, yeah. Hindsight, not the best choice.
I knew if I walked out, they were going to stop me, whatever. But I knew there, I'd get in the pool. What are they going to do? Fish me out? But yeah, it was, yeah. Hindsight, not the best choice.
Probably... My biggest flaw? It's hard to pick one.
Probably... My biggest flaw? It's hard to pick one.
I think I definitely learned from this that I have an issue with letting people in and letting my walls down. I think I also struggle with communication. I struggle with, I think I procrastinate My feelings. I think I'm feeling them, but I don't, I don't process them in my brain until I have to. And that is probably one of the biggest things.
I think I definitely learned from this that I have an issue with letting people in and letting my walls down. I think I also struggle with communication. I struggle with, I think I procrastinate My feelings. I think I'm feeling them, but I don't, I don't process them in my brain until I have to. And that is probably one of the biggest things.
Like that's what I think happened with the Leah and Andrea situation where I think if I had just like, but then again, I was never alone and I have to be alone to do that kind of thing. And I think if I was able to do that, it could have been so much better. I could have communicated to Leah a lot better because something about it is like you can recouple, but it doesn't mean it's over.
Like that's what I think happened with the Leah and Andrea situation where I think if I had just like, but then again, I was never alone and I have to be alone to do that kind of thing. And I think if I was able to do that, it could have been so much better. I could have communicated to Leah a lot better because something about it is like you can recouple, but it doesn't mean it's over.
And I still had those feelings for Leah. And I think if I could have talked to her about it,
And I still had those feelings for Leah. And I think if I could have talked to her about it,
i don't know what happened but like it would have been different why do you think you have such a hard time with letting people in probably just the way i grew up okay probably just like share kind of well like i'm a family i'm one of four and i was just always more of the quiet one kept to myself didn't really i was like the middle child there's four of us but i was like you know what i mean like i just was like kind of independent um
i don't know what happened but like it would have been different why do you think you have such a hard time with letting people in probably just the way i grew up okay probably just like share kind of well like i'm a family i'm one of four and i was just always more of the quiet one kept to myself didn't really i was like the middle child there's four of us but i was like you know what i mean like i just was like kind of independent um
And I think a lot of times I just felt like people didn't care. So I just didn't ever. And I still feel like that. I feel like people don't care because they don't like realistically, most people don't give a shit. Like they'll ask you, but they don't really care.
And I think a lot of times I just felt like people didn't care. So I just didn't ever. And I still feel like that. I feel like people don't care because they don't like realistically, most people don't give a shit. Like they'll ask you, but they don't really care.
So I just don't waste my time and telling people like usually I just kind of like keep on going until I feel like it's something that matters, I guess.
So I just don't waste my time and telling people like usually I just kind of like keep on going until I feel like it's something that matters, I guess.
You know, that's why I think it's only in one on one conversation that I can like actually let my walls down and talk because I think I gave every girl a chance and I tried my best. But looking back, I was like, damn. Especially after the Andre and Leah thing, it just tightened me up even more. Because I hurt them, and I knew that, and it wasn't my fault. I fucked up.
You know, that's why I think it's only in one on one conversation that I can like actually let my walls down and talk because I think I gave every girl a chance and I tried my best. But looking back, I was like, damn. Especially after the Andre and Leah thing, it just tightened me up even more. Because I hurt them, and I knew that, and it wasn't my fault. I fucked up.
And it was hard for me to keep going after that.
And it was hard for me to keep going after that.
Yeah. It was also worse that like I just didn't even think about it and I was talking to him. And then my sister was like, what are you doing? And I was like, I'm actually having just a casual conversation with the guy from Stranger Things right now. But it was funny.
Yeah. It was also worse that like I just didn't even think about it and I was talking to him. And then my sister was like, what are you doing? And I was like, I'm actually having just a casual conversation with the guy from Stranger Things right now. But it was funny.
They got divorced two years ago.
They got divorced two years ago.
It's good. Yeah. My mom is a lot like me. She's like very witty and funny. She's hilarious. You would love her. And then my dad is really artistic and he's very handsome. And that's like his thing.
It's good. Yeah. My mom is a lot like me. She's like very witty and funny. She's hilarious. You would love her. And then my dad is really artistic and he's very handsome. And that's like his thing.
Yeah, he is. And being an artist. He's an artist.
Yeah, he is. And being an artist. He's an artist.
I got both. I got both those things. I got some of their best traits and I got both of their worst traits.
I got both. I got both those things. I got some of their best traits and I got both of their worst traits.
My mom is really emotional and sometimes says and thinks things emotionally sometimes, which I do, which I've really worked on, I think. And then, yeah, I got some stuff from my dad, too.
My mom is really emotional and sometimes says and thinks things emotionally sometimes, which I do, which I've really worked on, I think. And then, yeah, I got some stuff from my dad, too.
Yeah, I think I think there is. I don't this is really going to be sad, but it's just I don't think that I can. I've been able to let someone all the way in.
Yeah, I think I think there is. I don't this is really going to be sad, but it's just I don't think that I can. I've been able to let someone all the way in.
I feel like I reach a point and they keep going and I can't.
I feel like I reach a point and they keep going and I can't.
I didn't know this was going to be that deep. Also, I need to turn my phone off.
I didn't know this was going to be that deep. Also, I need to turn my phone off.
Why do I think that is? I think I have... Gosh, this is really... I thought this was going to be more fun. I don't know.
Why do I think that is? I think I have... Gosh, this is really... I thought this was going to be more fun. I don't know.
I think I need therapy. To be honest, more therapy. Yeah.
I think I need therapy. To be honest, more therapy. Yeah.
I think I don't love me. And I really don't give a shit what people say about me because most of the time I'm saying it to myself already. Like when I got out, I saw all the horrible things people were saying about me and I was like, ah, beat you to the punch. Like I've been saying that shit this whole time. So I think I need to get over that before I can like really, and I'm a lot better.
I think I don't love me. And I really don't give a shit what people say about me because most of the time I'm saying it to myself already. Like when I got out, I saw all the horrible things people were saying about me and I was like, ah, beat you to the punch. Like I've been saying that shit this whole time. So I think I need to get over that before I can like really, and I'm a lot better.
A few, I'm pretty sure. Yeah.
A few, I'm pretty sure. Yeah.
I'm way better than I used to be. I used to be like really bad. Like I'm my number one.
I'm way better than I used to be. I used to be like really bad. Like I'm my number one.
i'm just hard on myself and i think that comes with being an artist i consider myself an artist i love creating things i love making things and i think that's just part of the mentality is like you can always be better like it's never perfect yeah which is not a good mentality to have like you can't be perfect it's literally impossible um but i know i'm very far from perfect and i'm starting to accept it more and more and i think like i don't know i've i've like hurt people in the past like i like i said with my last girlfriend like i fucking hurt her
i'm just hard on myself and i think that comes with being an artist i consider myself an artist i love creating things i love making things and i think that's just part of the mentality is like you can always be better like it's never perfect yeah which is not a good mentality to have like you can't be perfect it's literally impossible um but i know i'm very far from perfect and i'm starting to accept it more and more and i think like i don't know i've i've like hurt people in the past like i like i said with my last girlfriend like i fucking hurt her
And it still tears me up. And it's completely my fault. There's no one to blame but me. There's no good excuse for it. And it's just like... Fuck. I just carry it around.
And it still tears me up. And it's completely my fault. There's no one to blame but me. There's no good excuse for it. And it's just like... Fuck. I just carry it around.
Well, I think right now, at this point in time, I'm pretty emotionally drained. I don't know if I'm ready for anything like that.
Well, I think right now, at this point in time, I'm pretty emotionally drained. I don't know if I'm ready for anything like that.
Yeah. Actually, yeah. I do think I am a good person. I think of others often and I try. But I'm not perfect and I mess up. And I want to be better, I guess, is what I'm saying. Like, I've never been in a point in my life where I'm like, this is as good as it gets. I'm like this. But no, I always want to keep getting better. And I think I have.
Yeah. Actually, yeah. I do think I am a good person. I think of others often and I try. But I'm not perfect and I mess up. And I want to be better, I guess, is what I'm saying. Like, I've never been in a point in my life where I'm like, this is as good as it gets. I'm like this. But no, I always want to keep getting better. And I think I have.
I mean, like, I was working on myself before it, but like, that's one of the valuable things I got from this is I was able to look at myself in conflict. Like how do I react in like when I'm angry, how do I act when I'm really hurt? Like I can literally go and watch it. Like, um, And that's like super valuable. It really is because you can see, and that's something that Leah got from this too.
I mean, like, I was working on myself before it, but like, that's one of the valuable things I got from this is I was able to look at myself in conflict. Like how do I react in like when I'm angry, how do I act when I'm really hurt? Like I can literally go and watch it. Like, um, And that's like super valuable. It really is because you can see, and that's something that Leah got from this too.
Because Leah was, I mean, she said some awful things about me and claimed to never have said them when she talked to me.
Because Leah was, I mean, she said some awful things about me and claimed to never have said them when she talked to me.
That she said that I was a little bitch and that I gave her the ick because of it. And like, just like some crazy shit that I've seen. I mean, I've seen some clips.
That she said that I was a little bitch and that I gave her the ick because of it. And like, just like some crazy shit that I've seen. I mean, I've seen some clips.
but she never admitted to that once until movie night like she's she said she didn't say that and then at one point she's like i may have said some things and i was like but i fully fully believe leah didn't she didn't like i think she says things that when she gets emotional and then it just never happened like she doesn't actually feel it she didn't say i think that kind of happens with her at least i don't know in that in that regard
but she never admitted to that once until movie night like she's she said she didn't say that and then at one point she's like i may have said some things and i was like but i fully fully believe leah didn't she didn't like i think she says things that when she gets emotional and then it just never happened like she doesn't actually feel it she didn't say i think that kind of happens with her at least i don't know in that in that regard
I would say – Yeah, at times. But also I would say I have to do that sometimes because like I said, I'm serious. If you were just sitting in a room with me, I wouldn't be able to think about my feelings. It's really weird. I really need to be alone to process how I'm feeling. And journaling helps a lot. And I couldn't do either of those things.
I would say – Yeah, at times. But also I would say I have to do that sometimes because like I said, I'm serious. If you were just sitting in a room with me, I wouldn't be able to think about my feelings. It's really weird. I really need to be alone to process how I'm feeling. And journaling helps a lot. And I couldn't do either of those things.
You can't. No, because Beach Hut is your journal. Sorry, I'm not supposed to talk about that.
You can't. No, because Beach Hut is your journal. Sorry, I'm not supposed to talk about that.
It's like the cutaway journal.
It's like the cutaway journal.
Also, like the amount of things I've written in my journal that I don't mean. You just say it to get it out. And then I'm like, OK, I don't feel that way. Move on. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's just how I process.
Also, like the amount of things I've written in my journal that I don't mean. You just say it to get it out. And then I'm like, OK, I don't feel that way. Move on. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's just how I process.
So after like everything that happened with Leah, I was like, OK, I made the right decision. Like I just that's just the way I saw it. I was like I was like, this was nuts like this. We've not known each other that long. We had this whole thing, which it was mostly my fault.
So after like everything that happened with Leah, I was like, OK, I made the right decision. Like I just that's just the way I saw it. I was like I was like, this was nuts like this. We've not known each other that long. We had this whole thing, which it was mostly my fault.
Like I feel like it was mostly my fault that it happened that way. But I mean, I mean, she'll admit some fault in it as well, but I feel like it was most of my fault, but it just didn't work. And I thought it was like, okay, our communication styles, whatever. I was like, I was like, okay, well I made the right choice. Like things with Andre are really great.
Like I feel like it was mostly my fault that it happened that way. But I mean, I mean, she'll admit some fault in it as well, but I feel like it was most of my fault, but it just didn't work. And I thought it was like, okay, our communication styles, whatever. I was like, I was like, okay, well I made the right choice. Like things with Andre are really great.
And it was, it was an amazing four days we had. Like I was like smitten. Like I really was like, I was having a great time and you can tell.
And it was, it was an amazing four days we had. Like I was like smitten. Like I really was like, I was having a great time and you can tell.
You can tell. I just thought she was like so much like just good. Like, I don't know.
You can tell. I just thought she was like so much like just good. Like, I don't know.
like talking to her i love the way she talked about her family and it just felt really romantic like it just felt romantic that's like the best way i could put it i felt romantic when i was with her in the moment of those four days and i want to clarify because i feel like a lot of people are like you knew each other for four days like four days seems like what in love island time that's like a month like like a week a week is like a month it seriously is like it feels like you've known them forever because literally
like talking to her i love the way she talked about her family and it just felt really romantic like it just felt romantic that's like the best way i could put it i felt romantic when i was with her in the moment of those four days and i want to clarify because i feel like a lot of people are like you knew each other for four days like four days seems like what in love island time that's like a month like like a week a week is like a month it seriously is like it feels like you've known them forever because literally
you're with, like usually you date a girl, you may go on a date, you'll see her maybe next week or in a couple days, and you're like, you'll text the whole time, whatever, but like there, you are with them at any opportunity you can, and you have to talk about how you feel about everything. You're immediately talking about how many kids you want.
you're with, like usually you date a girl, you may go on a date, you'll see her maybe next week or in a couple days, and you're like, you'll text the whole time, whatever, but like there, you are with them at any opportunity you can, and you have to talk about how you feel about everything. You're immediately talking about how many kids you want.
I had to wear them, okay? Don't come for the overalls. I had to wear them. I saw the memes and everything and I was like, bro. I was like, you know, might as well.
I had to wear them, okay? Don't come for the overalls. I had to wear them. I saw the memes and everything and I was like, bro. I was like, you know, might as well.
And then if, so if you like them, that progresses really, really fast.
And then if, so if you like them, that progresses really, really fast.
At first, I was just mad. I was like, this makes no sense. This makes no sense. We had the strongest connection of most of the people in the villa at the time, like let alone who was up for elimination. And I was like, I was just baffled. I was baffled. I was like, how does this make sense? And then I was like, fuck it, I'm leaving.
At first, I was just mad. I was like, this makes no sense. This makes no sense. We had the strongest connection of most of the people in the villa at the time, like let alone who was up for elimination. And I was like, I was just baffled. I was baffled. I was like, how does this make sense? And then I was like, fuck it, I'm leaving.
yeah so you immediately stood up and you were like now you're sending three home like well it wasn't immediate that that probably that's longer okay but it was like we're sitting there we're talking we're like there's a back and forth between the girls and the guys okay blah blah blah and then finally like i'm sitting there and i'm like all right yeah nah and then aaron's like no no no no no no no and i got up and i was like yeah i'm leaving
yeah so you immediately stood up and you were like now you're sending three home like well it wasn't immediate that that probably that's longer okay but it was like we're sitting there we're talking we're like there's a back and forth between the girls and the guys okay blah blah blah and then finally like i'm sitting there and i'm like all right yeah nah and then aaron's like no no no no no no no and i got up and i was like yeah i'm leaving
All right. Once again, that was a three hour process of me trying like wanting to leave and like having conversations with people and they're like, no, you shouldn't. So it wasn't 30 minutes? No. Okay.
All right. Once again, that was a three hour process of me trying like wanting to leave and like having conversations with people and they're like, no, you shouldn't. So it wasn't 30 minutes? No. Okay.
no she that she did have 30 minutes back and i had that conversation with her but after she left i was like no no like i had a conversation and they were like no you should say blah blah like it's so dumb you've only known her for four days blah blah and i'm like okay fair enough but then right after that i was like no i'm leaving like i'm like no like i'm i'm actually leaving and i just had a lot of conversations blah blah and they convinced me to stay the night and then the next day i calmed down and i was like okay yeah like
no she that she did have 30 minutes back and i had that conversation with her but after she left i was like no no like i had a conversation and they were like no you should say blah blah like it's so dumb you've only known her for four days blah blah and i'm like okay fair enough but then right after that i was like no i'm leaving like i'm like no like i'm i'm actually leaving and i just had a lot of conversations blah blah and they convinced me to stay the night and then the next day i calmed down and i was like okay yeah like
I came here to find the best connection. It was going amazing with her. And I think, like, you know, like, the honeymoon stage of a relationship? We were at that. We were at that point where I was like, this girl could do no wrong. I was just, like, so keen. Like, I was just happy. Gone. And I was like, fuck. Like, I don't know. Like, it was just a bad time.
I came here to find the best connection. It was going amazing with her. And I think, like, you know, like, the honeymoon stage of a relationship? We were at that. We were at that point where I was like, this girl could do no wrong. I was just, like, so keen. Like, I was just happy. Gone. And I was like, fuck. Like, I don't know. Like, it was just a bad time.
No, I didn't even plan on wearing these. So I brought these. So Love Island, usually the intro is you're like doing your job and you get a text. You're like, oh, time to go to the villa. So that's what these were for.
No, I didn't even plan on wearing these. So I brought these. So Love Island, usually the intro is you're like doing your job and you get a text. You're like, oh, time to go to the villa. So that's what these were for.
Like, literally the next day, I could have been like, oh, like, I don't know about this. You don't know. But I... I was like, who knows who else might come in here? Like, you know, because it was still early days.
Like, literally the next day, I could have been like, oh, like, I don't know about this. You don't know. But I... I was like, who knows who else might come in here? Like, you know, because it was still early days.
And so I was like, I mean, yeah, it does. I don't want to get out of here, get with her. It doesn't work out, which statistically very high probability that we would not work out. And then I'm like, damn, what could have been?
And so I was like, I mean, yeah, it does. I don't want to get out of here, get with her. It doesn't work out, which statistically very high probability that we would not work out. And then I'm like, damn, what could have been?
Yeah. A hundred, a hundred percent. I regret it. I wish I wouldn't have said it, but in that moment, that's what I was doing. Like I was set on leaving. Like I, and for a while after that, I was set on leaving even the next day. But yeah, of course you don't see any of that.
Yeah. A hundred, a hundred percent. I regret it. I wish I wouldn't have said it, but in that moment, that's what I was doing. Like I was set on leaving. Like I, and for a while after that, I was set on leaving even the next day. But yeah, of course you don't see any of that.
I don't know. I don't, I don't know. I don't know if it would have worked out. I really don't. It was really, really great, but like it was still early days.
I don't know. I don't, I don't know. I don't know if it would have worked out. I really don't. It was really, really great, but like it was still early days.
Like we had a lot to learn about each other and you know,
Like we had a lot to learn about each other and you know,
What now, bitch? Yeah, I've seen that.
What now, bitch? Yeah, I've seen that.
No, yeah. No, Leah's hilarious. Like I love like Leah's great.
No, yeah. No, Leah's hilarious. Like I love like Leah's great.
I think it was a lot of miscommunication.
I think it was a lot of miscommunication.
From the girls to me, from me to Leah. And so... First of all, I did not think Leah was capable of lying to me. I really thought that we had, I thought we had something special and I did not think she was lying to me at all until that conversation that she had with me It was up on the upstairs thing. She was, she told me like, and once again, I haven't watched it.
From the girls to me, from me to Leah. And so... First of all, I did not think Leah was capable of lying to me. I really thought that we had, I thought we had something special and I did not think she was lying to me at all until that conversation that she had with me It was up on the upstairs thing. She was, she told me like, and once again, I haven't watched it.
Sometimes, yeah. Often, sometimes. Yeah. So yeah, so I brought them for that part.
Sometimes, yeah. Often, sometimes. Yeah. So yeah, so I brought them for that part.
I don't remember exactly what she said, but I, she basically said like, she didn't talk shit about me and Andrea. She didn't talk shit about me or like shit like that. And I knew that wasn't true. And I was like, damn. And then she said, I took a backseat in the decision. And I was like, interesting. And the point of that conversation was not about that at all.
I don't remember exactly what she said, but I, she basically said like, she didn't talk shit about me and Andrea. She didn't talk shit about me or like shit like that. And I knew that wasn't true. And I was like, damn. And then she said, I took a backseat in the decision. And I was like, interesting. And the point of that conversation was not about that at all.
For me, it was more about, is this girl lying to me? Because like, I still had feelings for her. And like, I was thinking at this point, I was like, okay, maybe I should give this another shot. That's what the point, you remember when I pulled Liv in?
For me, it was more about, is this girl lying to me? Because like, I still had feelings for her. And like, I was thinking at this point, I was like, okay, maybe I should give this another shot. That's what the point, you remember when I pulled Liv in?
And then I was like, oh, fuck it. So I just threw them in the villa bag that goes in. And then I wore them and I was like, dude, this is the move. Because Fiji is really hot, right?
And then I was like, oh, fuck it. So I just threw them in the villa bag that goes in. And then I wore them and I was like, dude, this is the move. Because Fiji is really hot, right?
Kaylor, sorry. Yeah. I can remember Kayla's name. Kayla, I love you so much. You're like a sister to me.
Kaylor, sorry. Yeah. I can remember Kayla's name. Kayla, I love you so much. You're like a sister to me.
Okay. Okay. Yeah. When I pulled them, the only reason I did that is because I didn't want to like, I knew Leah was going to get upset and I just didn't want to have the conversation at all. If they were like, oh no, she did. I would have been like, okay, cool. And I would have dropped it. The only reason I pulled them is because I just wanted all the facts.
Okay. Okay. Yeah. When I pulled them, the only reason I did that is because I didn't want to like, I knew Leah was going to get upset and I just didn't want to have the conversation at all. If they were like, oh no, she did. I would have been like, okay, cool. And I would have dropped it. The only reason I pulled them is because I just wanted all the facts.
I wanted to know the truth before I went into it.
I wanted to know the truth before I went into it.
also if she had been lying to me i knew she was gonna lie and she did kind of deny everything when we started the conversation and i was like oh okay and then i just kind of felt lied to and then they just kept yelling at each other and i was like i don't even want to be a part of this anymore that's not what i wanted at all also people were saying like we teamed up on her i talked to leah by myself and she called live over she kind of i think she kind of thought live was going to be on her side and she just wasn't at all and then it was like bad it was i hated that moment because it was just like
also if she had been lying to me i knew she was gonna lie and she did kind of deny everything when we started the conversation and i was like oh okay and then i just kind of felt lied to and then they just kept yelling at each other and i was like i don't even want to be a part of this anymore that's not what i wanted at all also people were saying like we teamed up on her i talked to leah by myself and she called live over she kind of i think she kind of thought live was going to be on her side and she just wasn't at all and then it was like bad it was i hated that moment because it was just like
Leah was just in between two people that disagreed with her and it just wasn't fair for her at all.
Leah was just in between two people that disagreed with her and it just wasn't fair for her at all.
you and Leah need to have a conversation alone let's you and I finish our conversation because I agree it became ganging up but then it was also tough because it's like yeah but you asked Liv and Liv's telling yeah exactly she asked for that yeah and and she was trying to team up on me yeah but I wanted the conversation to be really calm like I was trying to be really really calm yeah and then she just kept like saying these things and I was like this is not true and that's when I like lost my shit and I was like can you just wake the fuck up like we like just be real with me
you and Leah need to have a conversation alone let's you and I finish our conversation because I agree it became ganging up but then it was also tough because it's like yeah but you asked Liv and Liv's telling yeah exactly she asked for that yeah and and she was trying to team up on me yeah but I wanted the conversation to be really calm like I was trying to be really really calm yeah and then she just kept like saying these things and I was like this is not true and that's when I like lost my shit and I was like can you just wake the fuck up like we like just be real with me
I didn't have to wear a shirt, basically. It was like pants, a little bib, but it's very breathable. It was comfortable.
I didn't have to wear a shirt, basically. It was like pants, a little bib, but it's very breathable. It was comfortable.
Oh, I thought I would get to see it.
Oh, I thought I would get to see it.
Based on what the girls have told me, I don't think it does that. I don't think it clears your name.
Based on what the girls have told me, I don't think it does that. I don't think it clears your name.
clear clear everyone's names get the truth i don't know production i would have loved to see that as well maybe i heard i heard like i heard what was said you heard what was said yeah did they ever hear that no i was told like specifically what she was saying why after that share it with the class i don't want to because i don't know it's true who told you I don't want to say that either.
clear clear everyone's names get the truth i don't know production i would have loved to see that as well maybe i heard i heard like i heard what was said you heard what was said yeah did they ever hear that no i was told like specifically what she was saying why after that share it with the class i don't want to because i don't know it's true who told you I don't want to say that either.
It's just drama. To me, that's drama. I like to know facts. And if I know facts, I will call you out on it. And I'll be like, hey, let's talk about this. But I'm not going to start something over something I don't know is true or not.
It's just drama. To me, that's drama. I like to know facts. And if I know facts, I will call you out on it. And I'll be like, hey, let's talk about this. But I'm not going to start something over something I don't know is true or not.
And it became about the decision. I was just trying to talk about how honest she had been with me. And I feel like the way she reacted made me feel like she wasn't being honest at all.
And it became about the decision. I was just trying to talk about how honest she had been with me. And I feel like the way she reacted made me feel like she wasn't being honest at all.
Definitely not. They didn't like them there. Like, it wasn't a no.
Definitely not. They didn't like them there. Like, it wasn't a no.
No, 100%. It wasn't all on her. And I didn't care about that. Yeah, that wasn't what you were asking. She made the decision. I just wanted to know if she was being honest about taking a backseat. I think that's what it became about. It was never about that. Even if she was full like, we need to get Andre out of here, I wouldn't have been mad at her.
No, 100%. It wasn't all on her. And I didn't care about that. Yeah, that wasn't what you were asking. She made the decision. I just wanted to know if she was being honest about taking a backseat. I think that's what it became about. It was never about that. Even if she was full like, we need to get Andre out of here, I wouldn't have been mad at her.
I would have just liked to know if that was the truth. I just wanted honesty. That's all I wanted. I wanted to know that I could trust her.
I would have just liked to know if that was the truth. I just wanted honesty. That's all I wanted. I wanted to know that I could trust her.
No, I didn't. I felt like I couldn't trust her at that time. I was like... And, like, now, like, looking back, I don't know. Because I think it was really getting twisted around.
No, I didn't. I felt like I couldn't trust her at that time. I was like... And, like, now, like, looking back, I don't know. Because I think it was really getting twisted around.
But myself included. I think that I didn't remember things right from our first conversation. But, like, I think everybody involved in that had a different narrative. And then there was the truth. And none of us were on it. I don't think.
But myself included. I think that I didn't remember things right from our first conversation. But, like, I think everybody involved in that had a different narrative. And then there was the truth. And none of us were on it. I don't think.
When I first start something with someone, I fully trust them. That's like, I'm not going to date you if I don't. And that's why I was like, okay, well, I guess I'm not going to date Leah.
When I first start something with someone, I fully trust them. That's like, I'm not going to date you if I don't. And that's why I was like, okay, well, I guess I'm not going to date Leah.
Yeah, once. Well, like my first, so my first college girlfriend, that was the most toxic relationship I've ever been in.
Yeah, once. Well, like my first, so my first college girlfriend, that was the most toxic relationship I've ever been in.
D on D is dick on denim.
D on D is dick on denim.
On both sides. I was toxic. She was toxic. We could not stay away from each other to save our lives. Broke up a million times. Got back together a million times. Of course. Craziest things. Also, we're drinking all the time because it's college. So like that's the most toxic relationship I've ever been in.
On both sides. I was toxic. She was toxic. We could not stay away from each other to save our lives. Broke up a million times. Got back together a million times. Of course. Craziest things. Also, we're drinking all the time because it's college. So like that's the most toxic relationship I've ever been in.
it was it was crazy but yeah i went through her phone for sure she went through my phone too i would wake up and she'd have my phone she'd be like you motherfucker like like the crazy we have i have the craziest stories of like between us but did you find anything incriminating yes i know so have you been cheated on I mean, we weren't together at the time.
it was it was crazy but yeah i went through her phone for sure she went through my phone too i would wake up and she'd have my phone she'd be like you motherfucker like like the crazy we have i have the craziest stories of like between us but did you find anything incriminating yes i know so have you been cheated on I mean, we weren't together at the time.
Because she's a good girl, and I wish her the best, and we both grew up. People can change, and I don't want people to be like, you did this, you know what I'm saying?
Because she's a good girl, and I wish her the best, and we both grew up. People can change, and I don't want people to be like, you did this, you know what I'm saying?
Everyone from my hometown will know who she is.
Everyone from my hometown will know who she is.
But I wish her the best. I think she's about to get married.
But I wish her the best. I think she's about to get married.
No, no, no. It's not like that. You should. Well, you can't try it, but I would encourage anyone out there to try it. It's your penis list, so it's not going to work for you, but it's breathable and like it's just nice.
No, no, no. It's not like that. You should. Well, you can't try it, but I would encourage anyone out there to try it. It's your penis list, so it's not going to work for you, but it's breathable and like it's just nice.
No, I think a lot of my ex-girlfriends are about to get married. I prepare them. I'm like the stepping stone.
No, I think a lot of my ex-girlfriends are about to get married. I prepare them. I'm like the stepping stone.
Sad. you're gonna find your person maybe are you the jealous type yeah yeah 100 okay 100 like how jealous jealous i'm like more of like a protective jealous but like when i'm dating a girl like i like i'll kind of make it now and like i'll put myself in between her and whatever the situation is um yeah that's kind of like that okay um can we talk about aaron
Sad. you're gonna find your person maybe are you the jealous type yeah yeah 100 okay 100 like how jealous jealous i'm like more of like a protective jealous but like when i'm dating a girl like i like i'll kind of make it now and like i'll put myself in between her and whatever the situation is um yeah that's kind of like that okay um can we talk about aaron
I think, like, at first, I was like, I'm not so sure about this guy. He's, like, kind of the opposite of me in the way that he's, like, really loud and, like, loves to, like... He's just silly and, like, goofy and... And I'm like that, too, but, like, only when I'm, like, really comfortable with people. But then, like, I got to know him and, like, he felt like family.
I think, like, at first, I was like, I'm not so sure about this guy. He's, like, kind of the opposite of me in the way that he's, like, really loud and, like, loves to, like... He's just silly and, like, goofy and... And I'm like that, too, but, like, only when I'm, like, really comfortable with people. But then, like, I got to know him and, like, he felt like family.
Like, he's, like, really, like... He's really sweet and he really, like, cares about everyone. Like, he really did. Like... Like, he would get sad when anyone was sad.
Like, he's, like, really, like... He's really sweet and he really, like, cares about everyone. Like, he really did. Like... Like, he would get sad when anyone was sad.
Yeah. Yeah, well, like, we, like, became really, really good friends. Like, he seriously felt like my brother.
Yeah. Yeah, well, like, we, like, became really, really good friends. Like, he seriously felt like my brother.
Yeah, okay, well, they were open.
Yeah, okay, well, they were open.
I'm not going to lie. When I saw the clips, I was shocked.
I'm not going to lie. When I saw the clips, I was shocked.
I was shocked. And I was shocked the day that I saw him kissing her on the beanbag. I was shocked.
I was shocked. And I was shocked the day that I saw him kissing her on the beanbag. I was shocked.
Well, I'm wearing my lucky underwear. I thought I might need it.
Well, I'm wearing my lucky underwear. I thought I might need it.
Well, I wasn't really getting on with it. Like I got to know the girls. They were great girls. Sydney, so funny. Like I thought they were really great girls, but I didn't see like long term relationship type things with most of them. And Daniela had been talking with Aaron most of the time. And we have like similar type as far as personality.
Well, I wasn't really getting on with it. Like I got to know the girls. They were great girls. Sydney, so funny. Like I thought they were really great girls, but I didn't see like long term relationship type things with most of them. And Daniela had been talking with Aaron most of the time. And we have like similar type as far as personality.
uh and the first conversation i had with her i really liked and he was telling me the whole time that i should talk to her and i was like i was like what and he was like yeah like you like i think you guys really get along and i'm like but because he i think he knew he wasn't gonna take her back and at that point he was like you should you should at least talk to her and see even though he loved her he loved her he told her that he loved her twice daniella yes you have seen this
uh and the first conversation i had with her i really liked and he was telling me the whole time that i should talk to her and i was like i was like what and he was like yeah like you like i think you guys really get along and i'm like but because he i think he knew he wasn't gonna take her back and at that point he was like you should you should at least talk to her and see even though he loved her he loved her he told her that he loved her twice daniella yes you have seen this
He said that he loved her?
He said that he loved her?
Did they show that at movie night?
Did they show that at movie night?
Really? I haven't even seen it on like anything. I haven't seen it clipped or anything.
Really? I haven't even seen it on like anything. I haven't seen it clipped or anything.
what was the question anyways so how the fuck did you come back to the villa with daniella well yeah so i literally didn't get a chance to talk to her that much at all um and then i did i talked to her and i was like i was like i liked her value like where her values were and i liked like once again like she's very family oriented like me and she loves animals she wanted to be a vet i was like okay i could see something here so i was like my and like what am i gonna do go back single
what was the question anyways so how the fuck did you come back to the villa with daniella well yeah so i literally didn't get a chance to talk to her that much at all um and then i did i talked to her and i was like i was like i liked her value like where her values were and i liked like once again like she's very family oriented like me and she loves animals she wanted to be a vet i was like okay i could see something here so i was like my and like what am i gonna do go back single
I was actually really close to doing that exact thing. I was really close to going back single and just being like, Liv, what's up? You want to hang out? Yeah. I was really close to doing that. I seriously thought about it. But I was like... Liv and I both knew we get on and we get each other's humor and I find her really attractive. But it was like... It's more of a friendship for sure. Yeah.
I was actually really close to doing that exact thing. I was really close to going back single and just being like, Liv, what's up? You want to hang out? Yeah. I was really close to doing that. I seriously thought about it. But I was like... Liv and I both knew we get on and we get each other's humor and I find her really attractive. But it was like... It's more of a friendship for sure. Yeah.
No. Hell no. Hell no. He didn't want me to bring her. Oh, actually, he did.
No. Hell no. Hell no. He didn't want me to bring her. Oh, actually, he did.
He did. But then after that, right, like immediately after that, he was like, terrible idea. Don't bring her back.
He did. But then after that, right, like immediately after that, he was like, terrible idea. Don't bring her back.
Oh, fuck. I don't really remember that well. But he was like, he pulled me for a chat. And he was like, oh, yeah, she took it really, really well. The way that when he said that he was done, like he wasn't going to take her back or whatever. She took it. He said like she took it with like such grace and like she was so kind and she just said really nice things about him and stuff.
Oh, fuck. I don't really remember that well. But he was like, he pulled me for a chat. And he was like, oh, yeah, she took it really, really well. The way that when he said that he was done, like he wasn't going to take her back or whatever. She took it. He said like she took it with like such grace and like she was so kind and she just said really nice things about him and stuff.
I'm not going to tell you that.
I'm not going to tell you that.
And he was like, oh, dang, like that was really cool. He's like, you're going to like her a lot. You should hang out with her. But like, yeah. And he was like, you should take her back. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot about it. I forgot. I totally. But it's because the reason I forgot about it is because.
And he was like, oh, dang, like that was really cool. He's like, you're going to like her a lot. You should hang out with her. But like, yeah. And he was like, you should take her back. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot about it. I forgot. I totally. But it's because the reason I forgot about it is because.
Oh, okay. I didn't know that.
Oh, okay. I didn't know that.
Well, he did not say – he said only if you see something with her. Like, if you want to bring her back, do it. But, like, it was like – yeah. It was, like, I guess implied, like, that he thinks that she's cool. But I don't – but I'm telling you, literally 10 minutes after that, he was like – Freaking out. Everything I said, so wrong.
Well, he did not say – he said only if you see something with her. Like, if you want to bring her back, do it. But, like, it was like – yeah. It was, like, I guess implied, like, that he thinks that she's cool. But I don't – but I'm telling you, literally 10 minutes after that, he was like – Freaking out. Everything I said, so wrong.
I'm a dumbass. Do not do that unless you really want to. And then I was like – I got to know her and I was like – There's enough there that I want to see where it goes.
I'm a dumbass. Do not do that unless you really want to. And then I was like – I got to know her and I was like – There's enough there that I want to see where it goes.
We didn't have a lot of time.
We didn't have a lot of time.
Yeah, I did because I care about Kayla. She's like a sister to me. But I also thought about it like, OK, well, at least like. She's going to know like and I was wrong, but at least she's going to know that he's being honest because she'll tell him everything. And then she didn't. I've seen that as well.
Yeah, I did because I care about Kayla. She's like a sister to me. But I also thought about it like, OK, well, at least like. She's going to know like and I was wrong, but at least she's going to know that he's being honest because she'll tell him everything. And then she didn't. I've seen that as well.
Yeah, I know. I know. But that was like my silver lining. I was like, OK, yeah, like this is going to be weird. And it sucks because like Aaron's my best friend and Kayla is his girl. And like I want to be able to hang out with them all together. But honestly, like Kayla really took it with grace. Like and and she got along with Daniela enough that like we could all kind of hang out.
Yeah, I know. I know. But that was like my silver lining. I was like, OK, yeah, like this is going to be weird. And it sucks because like Aaron's my best friend and Kayla is his girl. And like I want to be able to hang out with them all together. But honestly, like Kayla really took it with grace. Like and and she got along with Daniela enough that like we could all kind of hang out.
Off the beaten path? Mm-hmm. What? Come on, Alex.
Off the beaten path? Mm-hmm. What? Come on, Alex.
But like, I don't know. Things. Yeah.
But like, I don't know. Things. Yeah.
I know. Well, yeah. Yeah.
I know. Well, yeah. Yeah.
And I think he's going to be okay because I think what I've just told him over and over again is you fucked up. You got to take accountability. And as long as you keep doing that, I think it's going to be okay. Because I promise you this. He loves Kayla. He really does.
And I think he's going to be okay because I think what I've just told him over and over again is you fucked up. You got to take accountability. And as long as you keep doing that, I think it's going to be okay. Because I promise you this. He loves Kayla. He really does.
He cares about her so much. And it was killing him even in Casa. I remember one day specifically. It was after he kissed her. He sat in the room for like hours and just stared and was like, what the fuck have I done? Blah, blah, blah. And he really cares about her a lot. He really does.
He cares about her so much. And it was killing him even in Casa. I remember one day specifically. It was after he kissed her. He sat in the room for like hours and just stared and was like, what the fuck have I done? Blah, blah, blah. And he really cares about her a lot. He really does.
I've seen a ton. I mean, how could I not? They're fucking everywhere.
I've seen a ton. I mean, how could I not? They're fucking everywhere.
I think after everything, I think we will be amazing friends. And I think I'd rather just focus on that for now. Like, love being around her. She's an amazing person. She's so fucking funny. Like, I'm, like, laughing the whole time I'm with her, usually. But, like, I mean, I think... I also think Miguel is a really great guy. I love Miguel.
I think after everything, I think we will be amazing friends. And I think I'd rather just focus on that for now. Like, love being around her. She's an amazing person. She's so fucking funny. Like, I'm, like, laughing the whole time I'm with her, usually. But, like, I mean, I think... I also think Miguel is a really great guy. I love Miguel.
And we're actually really similar, which I didn't see coming at all. Like, some of the way we think... But, yeah, I think... I don't know what's happened, obviously. But, I mean, no. I mean, I'm going to respect them and her. And, like, I just don't think that that's, like, necessary at all. I think that we're great friends and that's, like, a great spot to be. And I'm happy with it.
And we're actually really similar, which I didn't see coming at all. Like, some of the way we think... But, yeah, I think... I don't know what's happened, obviously. But, I mean, no. I mean, I'm going to respect them and her. And, like, I just don't think that that's, like, necessary at all. I think that we're great friends and that's, like, a great spot to be. And I'm happy with it.
You know my story. You know my name and my story, but you don't know me.
You know my story. You know my name and my story, but you don't know me.
Like, I'm content in that. Like, I would be content being friends with her.
Like, I'm content in that. Like, I would be content being friends with her.
I mean... But that's okay.
I mean... But that's okay.
Yeah, like, I'm okay with being friends and I want to be friends.
Yeah, like, I'm okay with being friends and I want to be friends.
america is rooting for you and leah even though she has something good with miguel probably all the edits probably all the fucking edits you guys have made of us looking at each other and like i mean and we care it's like it's not built on nothing like we care for each other for sure i like i feel that she cares for me and i care for her um
america is rooting for you and leah even though she has something good with miguel probably all the edits probably all the fucking edits you guys have made of us looking at each other and like i mean and we care it's like it's not built on nothing like we care for each other for sure i like i feel that she cares for me and i care for her um
But yeah, after everything, I think it would be really, really hard. I mean, it's kind of like the Aaron Kaler situation. That's going to be such an uphill battle for them to get through. And I think the best thing for us is just to move on and be friends. Seriously, I think that's just the best thing.
But yeah, after everything, I think it would be really, really hard. I mean, it's kind of like the Aaron Kaler situation. That's going to be such an uphill battle for them to get through. And I think the best thing for us is just to move on and be friends. Seriously, I think that's just the best thing.
Most of the time, no. There was definitely some moments where I was like, damn. I cannot lie. There was definitely some moments where I was like, damn. But... Most of the time, like a lot, like I've seen a lot of them. I'm like, I'm like, I don't think she was looking at me in that. Like, like, like some of them. I'm like, OK.
Most of the time, no. There was definitely some moments where I was like, damn. I cannot lie. There was definitely some moments where I was like, damn. But... Most of the time, like a lot, like I've seen a lot of them. I'm like, I'm like, I don't think she was looking at me in that. Like, like, like some of them. I'm like, OK.
But yeah, like other times I'm like, yeah, I mean, that was a nice moment for us.
But yeah, like other times I'm like, yeah, I mean, that was a nice moment for us.
I mean, you're not lying. No. Like, I don't really want to talk about it.
I mean, you're not lying. No. Like, I don't really want to talk about it.
But the edits have made it really like it's it's definitely like hype hyped up.
But the edits have made it really like it's it's definitely like hype hyped up.
I think she would say the same thing.
I think she would say the same thing.
grand final moment with her where you run up so funny didn't feel like that at all like really I mean in the moment it did but like I literally just wanted to say bye and like let her know that I cared about her and I thought she was great and I'm glad that we got to get back to that point that's all I wanted to say but then it was like I don't know.
grand final moment with her where you run up so funny didn't feel like that at all like really I mean in the moment it did but like I literally just wanted to say bye and like let her know that I cared about her and I thought she was great and I'm glad that we got to get back to that point that's all I wanted to say but then it was like I don't know.
It was so much more emotional than I thought it was going to be. Like in my head, I was like, this is not a big deal at all. I'm just going to let her know these things. And then I let her know. And then I was like, oh, that was kind of crazy. Like a little bit. It wasn't that crazy. But like, it seems a lot crazier on TV, I think.
It was so much more emotional than I thought it was going to be. Like in my head, I was like, this is not a big deal at all. I'm just going to let her know these things. And then I let her know. And then I was like, oh, that was kind of crazy. Like a little bit. It wasn't that crazy. But like, it seems a lot crazier on TV, I think.
No, they didn't make me do that.
No, they didn't make me do that.
No, like other than like the lines they wrote me. No, I'm playing. No, that was.
No, like other than like the lines they wrote me. No, I'm playing. No, that was.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you say that, it's like I love you as a friend. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you say that, it's like I love you as a friend. Yeah, for sure.
I don't. Yeah, I don't. I mean, I've been talking to her a little bit, but it's not like... I think, once again, it's probably better if we just kind of keep our distance for now. A lot has happened, and she's been posting a lot.
I don't. Yeah, I don't. I mean, I've been talking to her a little bit, but it's not like... I think, once again, it's probably better if we just kind of keep our distance for now. A lot has happened, and she's been posting a lot.
Yeah, which is... I'd be lying if I was like... I was kind of like, oh, that's a lot of things to post about... which sounds really bad, but like, I do think she's a great girl. And I think she got it. Like, I think the reason she did that is like, she was, she went in there and did what she was supposed to do. She did nothing wrong, literally did nothing wrong. And she was always kind.
Yeah, which is... I'd be lying if I was like... I was kind of like, oh, that's a lot of things to post about... which sounds really bad, but like, I do think she's a great girl. And I think she got it. Like, I think the reason she did that is like, she was, she went in there and did what she was supposed to do. She did nothing wrong, literally did nothing wrong. And she was always kind.
Like she, when she left, I don't know if it was, I haven't seen it, but I don't know when she left. She was in a position where she could have said a lot of mean things and been like, y'all are some bitches for doing this, blah, blah, blah. Didn't not say a word. All she said was like how much she cared about me and then left. Like, I thought that was like so good.
Like she, when she left, I don't know if it was, I haven't seen it, but I don't know when she left. She was in a position where she could have said a lot of mean things and been like, y'all are some bitches for doing this, blah, blah, blah. Didn't not say a word. All she said was like how much she cared about me and then left. Like, I thought that was like so good.
And like, I thought she handled herself so well the whole time, which is why I was kind of surprised. Like she was like posting a lot of stuff. But like, I guess she was, she got like the most hate from anyone from the show.
And like, I thought she handled herself so well the whole time, which is why I was kind of surprised. Like she was like posting a lot of stuff. But like, I guess she was, she got like the most hate from anyone from the show.
I texted her. I texted her. I just said, hey, how are you? And then I called her. Well, yeah, we called. We FaceTimed for a little bit. Didn't talk about anything crazy. Just wanted to see how she was doing. Because at this point, I hadn't looked at really anything online. And I was just like, how are you doing? Everything. I was thinking about you a lot.
I texted her. I texted her. I just said, hey, how are you? And then I called her. Well, yeah, we called. We FaceTimed for a little bit. Didn't talk about anything crazy. Just wanted to see how she was doing. Because at this point, I hadn't looked at really anything online. And I was just like, how are you doing? Everything. I was thinking about you a lot.
like blah blah told her my because i knew once she left she didn't know what happened and i think it was made to look like she left i was like i'm leaving i did it and then i didn't give a fuck that was not the case yeah i was like you can ask as any person in there i was like i was so fucked like for that week after that like it was tough but like i did i did get better and i got over it like
like blah blah told her my because i knew once she left she didn't know what happened and i think it was made to look like she left i was like i'm leaving i did it and then i didn't give a fuck that was not the case yeah i was like you can ask as any person in there i was like i was so fucked like for that week after that like it was tough but like i did i did get better and i got over it like
towards the end so like and I told I let her know like all that and I was just like because I felt guilty I felt really guilty about it and at times I was like I should have just left like I'm such a bitch like I don't know I mean like I said I tear myself up like But rightfully so. It was such a lose-lose situation at that point because I got emotional and said that.
towards the end so like and I told I let her know like all that and I was just like because I felt guilty I felt really guilty about it and at times I was like I should have just left like I'm such a bitch like I don't know I mean like I said I tear myself up like But rightfully so. It was such a lose-lose situation at that point because I got emotional and said that.
But yeah, I just kind of let her know how it went, how I was feeling and everything. And she told me a little bit about what was going on with her. And then that was it. And then we've texted a little bit. But I did start to see all the stuff that she was doing. And I was like, that's something that I did not see coming from her. She just seemed very no drama. Like in the villa, so no drama.
But yeah, I just kind of let her know how it went, how I was feeling and everything. And she told me a little bit about what was going on with her. And then that was it. And then we've texted a little bit. But I did start to see all the stuff that she was doing. And I was like, that's something that I did not see coming from her. She just seemed very no drama. Like in the villa, so no drama.
You don't understand. I saw a clip of that. And I think that really was a part of why I was so emotional. Going into Love Island is crazy. You don't understand. You're on no sleep.
You don't understand. I saw a clip of that. And I think that really was a part of why I was so emotional. Going into Love Island is crazy. You don't understand. You're on no sleep.
Like she said that like, yeah. Yeah. And I just was really kind of set back by that when I saw that. I was like, oh, interesting.
Like she said that like, yeah. Yeah. And I just was really kind of set back by that when I saw that. I was like, oh, interesting.
But it's not like the reason I'm having those thoughts. It has nothing to do with me being out. It has to do with me seeing what she's been doing while I was out. Like I was like interesting. And but I will just like last thing on it. Like I will give her like credit. Like I do get why she would be doing that if like people were coming at her. But it was a lot.
But it's not like the reason I'm having those thoughts. It has nothing to do with me being out. It has to do with me seeing what she's been doing while I was out. Like I was like interesting. And but I will just like last thing on it. Like I will give her like credit. Like I do get why she would be doing that if like people were coming at her. But it was a lot.
You have no paper. Sorry.
You have no paper. Sorry.
You have no alone time, which is huge for me because that's how I process my emotions. I have to be alone.
You have no alone time, which is huge for me because that's how I process my emotions. I have to be alone.
It had been a really, really, really long time. After, I was like, fuck, Rob. You made it this whole time. You didn't have sex on TV. Your poor mother. Everyone's going to be like, he never cared about any of those bitches. He's just going to fuck. Then I was like, you know what? I'm an adult. She's an adult. It felt right in the moment. It happened. I don't regret it. It just happened.
It had been a really, really, really long time. After, I was like, fuck, Rob. You made it this whole time. You didn't have sex on TV. Your poor mother. Everyone's going to be like, he never cared about any of those bitches. He's just going to fuck. Then I was like, you know what? I'm an adult. She's an adult. It felt right in the moment. It happened. I don't regret it. It just happened.
I'm about to onion back up right now.
I'm about to onion back up right now.
You really have. You're good at this. I will give you credit.
You really have. You're good at this. I will give you credit.
So I couldn't figure my shit out. And also I was horny as fuck.
So I couldn't figure my shit out. And also I was horny as fuck.
Did you use my full name?
Did you use my full name?
That is tea. I've said no words for what you're saying.
That is tea. I've said no words for what you're saying.
No one knew. That was the funniest part. I don't know how many conversations they put in, but Miguel, like, I think it was literally the next day. He was like, he was like, yeah, bro. I just don't think that I could have sex in here. Like, it's just not something I'm going to do. And I'm like, dude, me either, bro. And then Cassie was sitting right next to me.
No one knew. That was the funniest part. I don't know how many conversations they put in, but Miguel, like, I think it was literally the next day. He was like, he was like, yeah, bro. I just don't think that I could have sex in here. Like, it's just not something I'm going to do. And I'm like, dude, me either, bro. And then Cassie was sitting right next to me.
I was like, I was like, dude, me either. Like, especially like in the room with everyone could never do that. He's like, he's like, yeah, bro. Like, I mean, honestly, if someone did, I would rate it. But, like, it's just something I wouldn't do. And I was like, yeah, bro. Couldn't be me.
I was like, I was like, dude, me either. Like, especially like in the room with everyone could never do that. He's like, he's like, yeah, bro. Like, I mean, honestly, if someone did, I would rate it. But, like, it's just something I wouldn't do. And I was like, yeah, bro. Couldn't be me.
And I looked at Cassie and she was like.
And I looked at Cassie and she was like.
No, I wouldn't say I've been waiting for it.
No, I wouldn't say I've been waiting for it.
I mean to, like, release. Oh, I was, like, built up.
I mean to, like, release. Oh, I was, like, built up.
It's alliteration. Lovely Leah. Like, come on. Chill the fuck out.
It's alliteration. Lovely Leah. Like, come on. Chill the fuck out.
Stop. You're just saying that because of the edits. You watched the edits. They worked on you. And that's what you want.
Stop. You're just saying that because of the edits. You watched the edits. They worked on you. And that's what you want.
That's nuts. That's nutty. Ariana. Anyways, next question.
That's nuts. That's nutty. Ariana. Anyways, next question.
she looked fucking amazing this season so good she was always wearing see-through clothes i was like what's up with her not really wearing clothes all the time how many times did you guys think she was a bombshell walking in um once but also i thought she was an islander when we she was sitting there with them when we walked in and i went around and shook everyone's hand i shook her hand i was like nice to meet you i'm rob and then i was like
she looked fucking amazing this season so good she was always wearing see-through clothes i was like what's up with her not really wearing clothes all the time how many times did you guys think she was a bombshell walking in um once but also i thought she was an islander when we she was sitting there with them when we walked in and i went around and shook everyone's hand i shook her hand i was like nice to meet you i'm rob and then i was like
I'm not. Yeah. I'm not telling you.
I'm not. Yeah. I'm not telling you.
yeah it was really there's a clip of like cordell at one point and everyone's like it's ariana it's ariana and cordell comes out he's like who the fuck is that he's blind as a bat he can't see shit it's so funny serena and cordell are so cute now i love them i love them both individually yeah so it makes me easy to like them as a couple you know what i'm saying like they had their struggles they're really dope but that's why i think they'll they'll be good i think because like they had a hard time they got through a lot yeah but like
yeah it was really there's a clip of like cordell at one point and everyone's like it's ariana it's ariana and cordell comes out he's like who the fuck is that he's blind as a bat he can't see shit it's so funny serena and cordell are so cute now i love them i love them both individually yeah so it makes me easy to like them as a couple you know what i'm saying like they had their struggles they're really dope but that's why i think they'll they'll be good i think because like they had a hard time they got through a lot yeah but like
Yeah, they're both dope.
Yeah, they're both dope.
It was probably because it was boring.
It was probably because it was boring.
No. It's a good estimation.
No. It's a good estimation.
It's good. It's 25. It's 26 now.
It's good. It's 25. It's 26 now.
Is it? Oh! No, it's not. 23 is a lucky number. Fuck. Passed it.
Is it? Oh! No, it's not. 23 is a lucky number. Fuck. Passed it.
When I go to the casino, I put on red 23.
When I go to the casino, I put on red 23.
I used to when I lived in L.A.
I used to when I lived in L.A.
I mean, you could hardly say that. I was here for a year.
I mean, you could hardly say that. I was here for a year.
Work. Yeah, what's going on? Rob Thunder. What? Just kidding. It was a joke.
Work. Yeah, what's going on? Rob Thunder. What? Just kidding. It was a joke.
That was a joke. So Connor, yeah, yeah. So the picture they took for me, for like my picture, everyone thought I looked like a porn star. And so Connor came up with the name Rob Thunder. That was like me.
That was a joke. So Connor, yeah, yeah. So the picture they took for me, for like my picture, everyone thought I looked like a porn star. And so Connor came up with the name Rob Thunder. That was like me.
Maybe, like, yeah, that's a good one. Library.
Maybe, like, yeah, that's a good one. Library.
I can't imagine trying to get to know someone right now. I can't imagine giving someone my full attention and actually being able to be present.
I can't imagine trying to get to know someone right now. I can't imagine giving someone my full attention and actually being able to be present.
No, get in the woods and leave my phone at home. I need to go in the creek. Yeah, I'm not kidding. I really need that. It's like my therapy.
No, get in the woods and leave my phone at home. I need to go in the creek. Yeah, I'm not kidding. I really need that. It's like my therapy.
Yeah, of course. It feels right.
Yeah, of course. It feels right.
if the mood is right the mood's right we'll give a little little cutie okay so you're ready to get back to the woods yep are you going to continue to be a snake wrangler are you gonna like start popping up are you gonna do the reality stuff are you gonna go back on another reality show like what do you think survived i have no idea they like they've asked me a lot like what i want to do from this because like the show did the best it did it's number one it beat every other show in america yeah it was the number one streaming insane uh which i did not see coming so like yeah like
if the mood is right the mood's right we'll give a little little cutie okay so you're ready to get back to the woods yep are you going to continue to be a snake wrangler are you gonna like start popping up are you gonna do the reality stuff are you gonna go back on another reality show like what do you think survived i have no idea they like they've asked me a lot like what i want to do from this because like the show did the best it did it's number one it beat every other show in america yeah it was the number one streaming insane uh which i did not see coming so like yeah like
I think I'm just going to keep catching snakes. I mean, like, if I get a really good opportunity, like, like I said, I'd be like, ah, fuck it, whatever. Like, that's kind of how I live my life. Like, that's why I went on Love Island. That's why that situation happened. Like, I didn't apply for that, you know? Right. So, yeah, something that comes across. Like, Survivor. Oh, I would do that.
I think I'm just going to keep catching snakes. I mean, like, if I get a really good opportunity, like, like I said, I'd be like, ah, fuck it, whatever. Like, that's kind of how I live my life. Like, that's why I went on Love Island. That's why that situation happened. Like, I didn't apply for that, you know? Right. So, yeah, something that comes across. Like, Survivor. Oh, I would do that.
Like, some shit like that.
Like, some shit like that.
I would say I'm nervous.
I would say I'm nervous.
I don't know. I don't know. Just when I think about that, the stress chemical in my brain comes out.
I don't know. I don't know. Just when I think about that, the stress chemical in my brain comes out.
I'm procrastinating thinking about it.
I'm procrastinating thinking about it.
Well, I feel like... I feel like... I don't know. I'm just interested to see who's still together and how everything is going for everyone. And just everyone together again. I think a lot of people went to the internet and maybe some things have been said that are not great about other people. And that's going to be a thing for sure. I mean...
Well, I feel like... I feel like... I don't know. I'm just interested to see who's still together and how everything is going for everyone. And just everyone together again. I think a lot of people went to the internet and maybe some things have been said that are not great about other people. And that's going to be a thing for sure. I mean...
but I'm hot enough that it doesn't matter. That's it. That's the consensus I've gotten. I've seen so many TikToks of like, this man is a red flag. He's terrible. I hate him. I can't stop looking at him. I love him so much. It's just weird.
but I'm hot enough that it doesn't matter. That's it. That's the consensus I've gotten. I've seen so many TikToks of like, this man is a red flag. He's terrible. I hate him. I can't stop looking at him. I love him so much. It's just weird.
I'm just being honest. Like anything I've said, I'll be like, yeah, I said that. I meant that.
I'm just being honest. Like anything I've said, I'll be like, yeah, I said that. I meant that.
No, no. Just the situation in general. Gives you anxiety. Yeah. That's just going to be like not just me. No, not with me. I'm thinking about other people. I'm like, how the fuck is that going to go? Yeah.
No, no. Just the situation in general. Gives you anxiety. Yeah. That's just going to be like not just me. No, not with me. I'm thinking about other people. I'm like, how the fuck is that going to go? Yeah.
Hate is the closest emotion to love. I'm just kidding. Thank you. I don't know. It's confusing. I'm confused. You know, something I kind of saw myself like after. Obviously, there was a lot of drama at the beginning. But after that, I just thought I was kind of a background character. I didn't really feel in the show anymore. So I just kind of like, yeah, whatever. I'm just chilling.
Hate is the closest emotion to love. I'm just kidding. Thank you. I don't know. It's confusing. I'm confused. You know, something I kind of saw myself like after. Obviously, there was a lot of drama at the beginning. But after that, I just thought I was kind of a background character. I didn't really feel in the show anymore. So I just kind of like, yeah, whatever. I'm just chilling.
And then I was surprised when I came out. It was like a lot of buzz about.
And then I was surprised when I came out. It was like a lot of buzz about.
I mean, I mean, why would you want to talk about that? Why would you want to focus on the negative? I know, I know you're saying you're not.
I mean, I mean, why would you want to talk about that? Why would you want to focus on the negative? I know, I know you're saying you're not.
Yeah, that was great. Oh, yeah. That was... Okay, so... How did you feel about that? So after not leaving, after Andrea left, I was like kind of regretting it a lot. And that moment made me the most happy I was about staying. That moment was...
Yeah, that was great. Oh, yeah. That was... Okay, so... How did you feel about that? So after not leaving, after Andrea left, I was like kind of regretting it a lot. And that moment made me the most happy I was about staying. That moment was...
so great for me like and for us i thought which was i really liked it gave us closure and it was in front of everyone which i loved because i'm not the kind of person that like i feel like there was weirdness in the villa about leah and i but i'm not the kind of person that's gonna go to everyone and like give my side of the story blah blah like i'm just gonna like let my actions speak for themselves yeah um but in that moment i was given the opportunity to like talk with her and stuff and i thought it was really good for us and then we had a great conversation after that and yeah we just like we got back to being friends and like it was good
so great for me like and for us i thought which was i really liked it gave us closure and it was in front of everyone which i loved because i'm not the kind of person that like i feel like there was weirdness in the villa about leah and i but i'm not the kind of person that's gonna go to everyone and like give my side of the story blah blah like i'm just gonna like let my actions speak for themselves yeah um but in that moment i was given the opportunity to like talk with her and stuff and i thought it was really good for us and then we had a great conversation after that and yeah we just like we got back to being friends and like it was good
I feel like it's not true, but it's kind of true. What? I don't feel like I gasped.
I feel like it's not true, but it's kind of true. What? I don't feel like I gasped.
I hate LA. That's why I moved. No offense. It's great for other people. Too much concrete for me.
I hate LA. That's why I moved. No offense. It's great for other people. Too much concrete for me.
I'm sure after this, I'm going to think of a million things. I'm like, damn, I should have said that.
I'm sure after this, I'm going to think of a million things. I'm like, damn, I should have said that.
Not really, but I like him. He's just like... Cool. I know people hate him, but I like him.
Not really, but I like him. He's just like... Cool. I know people hate him, but I like him.
He's just Dave. I like genuine people. It was the same... Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like genuine folk. I like people that are just themselves and they don't really give a fuck.
He's just Dave. I like genuine people. It was the same... Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like genuine folk. I like people that are just themselves and they don't really give a fuck.
He's going to be honest. He's going to be Dave. I like that about him.
He's going to be honest. He's going to be Dave. I like that about him.
Do I regret things I did? I think every decision I made, I would have eventually made. I think I was put in these like small timeframes where my issue was my communication. And it partly was because I didn't know how I was feeling.
Do I regret things I did? I think every decision I made, I would have eventually made. I think I was put in these like small timeframes where my issue was my communication. And it partly was because I didn't know how I was feeling.
I'm not a people person. But I love my friends. Hmm. How do I get into this? Okay. Let's say, all right, let's say we're going to go on a date. Okay. Let's just say first date. Okay. I would like prefer to do something where it's just the two of us and like quiet. We get to know each other. Like I'm not like a big concert guy. I don't like going to the club. I'll go to a bar.
I'm not a people person. But I love my friends. Hmm. How do I get into this? Okay. Let's say, all right, let's say we're going to go on a date. Okay. Let's just say first date. Okay. I would like prefer to do something where it's just the two of us and like quiet. We get to know each other. Like I'm not like a big concert guy. I don't like going to the club. I'll go to a bar.
But even then I'm like, there's too many people here. Uh-huh.
But even then I'm like, there's too many people here. Uh-huh.
I would say like a picnic.
I would say like a picnic.
Go to the creek. Go to the river. Go to the beach. Okay. Bodies of water are typically good for picnics.
Go to the creek. Go to the river. Go to the beach. Okay. Bodies of water are typically good for picnics.
I think... My last girlfriend would have a lot of good things to say and a lot of bad things to say. The one before that, same. I think same. I think with my last relationship, I mean, I don't want to talk too much because that's her business too. But I think the wheels kind of fell off at the end and it went longer than it should have. And I think that was really...
I think... My last girlfriend would have a lot of good things to say and a lot of bad things to say. The one before that, same. I think same. I think with my last relationship, I mean, I don't want to talk too much because that's her business too. But I think the wheels kind of fell off at the end and it went longer than it should have. And I think that was really...
It's really, really strange. One of the big things is like neon isn't on everything. Like neon signs, like the lights there. I got really used to just seeing that every day. I got to my hotel room and I was like, it's so dark in here.
It's really, really strange. One of the big things is like neon isn't on everything. Like neon signs, like the lights there. I got really used to just seeing that every day. I got to my hotel room and I was like, it's so dark in here.
came down to like communication and and i think it was hugely on me um and it's like one of my biggest regrets uh is like putting her through the months of like the end of our relationship like yeah because i did love her and like i i fully believe she loved me too and it was like just knowing you did that to someone that you care about what you just like weren't communicating with her how you were feeling i i just was like
came down to like communication and and i think it was hugely on me um and it's like one of my biggest regrets uh is like putting her through the months of like the end of our relationship like yeah because i did love her and like i i fully believe she loved me too and it was like just knowing you did that to someone that you care about what you just like weren't communicating with her how you were feeling i i just was like
And that's not an excuse.
And that's not an excuse.
When you care about somebody, you still have to, like, figure that out. But, like, I didn't know how I felt about myself. And I just couldn't give her what she needed. And I just should have walked away way sooner.
When you care about somebody, you still have to, like, figure that out. But, like, I didn't know how I felt about myself. And I just couldn't give her what she needed. And I just should have walked away way sooner.
Like, on and off. Like, we broke up. We got back together.
Like, on and off. Like, we broke up. We got back together.
I think we broke up twice.
I think we broke up twice.
But, like, yeah. It wasn't, like, back and forth, back and forth.
But, like, yeah. It wasn't, like, back and forth, back and forth.
They called me. They said, what are you doing? And I was literally saving a turtle crossing the road. I was in a great mood. I was on my way to Arkansas to go catch a bunch of snakes. I was wearing these overalls. Like, true story. I was wearing these overalls. I had just caught a copperhead. I was on cloud nine. I was having a great day. And someone called me.
They called me. They said, what are you doing? And I was literally saving a turtle crossing the road. I was in a great mood. I was on my way to Arkansas to go catch a bunch of snakes. I was wearing these overalls. Like, true story. I was wearing these overalls. I had just caught a copperhead. I was on cloud nine. I was having a great day. And someone called me.
They're like, hey, Rob, what are you doing? You single? I said, why? You interested? And they're like, no, you want to come back to Love Island? I was like... I thought about it and I was like, you know what? Like my plan for the summer was just to catch snakes all summer and just like make videos and stuff. And I was just like, fuck it. Like I'm not really doing anything. Might as well.
They're like, hey, Rob, what are you doing? You single? I said, why? You interested? And they're like, no, you want to come back to Love Island? I was like... I thought about it and I was like, you know what? Like my plan for the summer was just to catch snakes all summer and just like make videos and stuff. And I was just like, fuck it. Like I'm not really doing anything. Might as well.
I'd love to find a girlfriend. Didn't work out.
I'd love to find a girlfriend. Didn't work out.
I'm looking for a girlfriend that I would marry. Okay. Like I do. I do. I'm like dating to marry at this point.
I'm looking for a girlfriend that I would marry. Okay. Like I do. I do. I'm like dating to marry at this point.
And that's why I'm not wasting anyone's time. Like I'm not going to get...
And that's why I'm not wasting anyone's time. Like I'm not going to get...
into something that i if at any point i don't see that future progressing to that like i'm gonna get out how many times have you been in love i think once okay i told two of my girlfriends that i loved them and i think i meant it with the girl yeah but then i i realized i really meant it with yeah yeah do you think that your ex-girlfriend watched the season of a lion no definitely not but she definitely saw stuff
into something that i if at any point i don't see that future progressing to that like i'm gonna get out how many times have you been in love i think once okay i told two of my girlfriends that i loved them and i think i meant it with the girl yeah but then i i realized i really meant it with yeah yeah do you think that your ex-girlfriend watched the season of a lion no definitely not but she definitely saw stuff
Can I light this candle?
Can I light this candle?
Um, it just, I'm just uncomfortable.
Um, it just, I'm just uncomfortable.
I don't know. I like you though.
I don't know. I like you though.
You get used to it. You get used to like just being around like literally there's a neon sign on every surface. Like it's like lights up.
You get used to it. You get used to like just being around like literally there's a neon sign on every surface. Like it's like lights up.
I don't need a blanket. No.
I don't need a blanket. No.
I just, I just, I'm not uncomfortable.
I just, I just, I'm not uncomfortable.
It's very fresh. And like I said, like it takes me a while to process.
It's very fresh. And like I said, like it takes me a while to process.
My emotions and how I feel about everything. And right now, I think some of the things I'm not, like, I'm not, I haven't processed it. So, like, this is, I mean, I just got back from Fiji. I just left.
My emotions and how I feel about everything. And right now, I think some of the things I'm not, like, I'm not, I haven't processed it. So, like, this is, I mean, I just got back from Fiji. I just left.
And so, like, right now, it makes me nervous to talk about these things because, like, emotions are kind of high and, like, I just don't want to, like,
And so, like, right now, it makes me nervous to talk about these things because, like, emotions are kind of high and, like, I just don't want to, like,
And I got out and I was like, it's so dark out here.
And I got out and I was like, it's so dark out here.
That's exactly what I'm thinking.
That's exactly what I'm thinking.
Like that makes me nervous.
Like that makes me nervous.
I really liked her a lot. I felt like, I think it's pretty obvious that I'm a bit odd and I can be hard to read. And I think it's hard for people to understand me, especially my humor. She got it right away. And I loved that. I loved that. And I also thought she was really funny. And obviously she's gorgeous.
I really liked her a lot. I felt like, I think it's pretty obvious that I'm a bit odd and I can be hard to read. And I think it's hard for people to understand me, especially my humor. She got it right away. And I loved that. I loved that. And I also thought she was really funny. And obviously she's gorgeous.
But seriously, from the first night when I walked in there, we just kept like locking eyes.
But seriously, from the first night when I walked in there, we just kept like locking eyes.
And I was like, man, I really hope that we get coupled up tonight. And we did.
And I was like, man, I really hope that we get coupled up tonight. And we did.
two days well like yeah technically like it felt like a week but it wasn't because Liv came in and stole me first right but that was like I mean like I was with like there was never a moment where I thought I was gonna go with Liv instead of Leah like it kind of got clipped that way but like I was telling Leah the whole time I was like you have nothing to worry about like because I was shocked when Liv picked me like we all were we all were so sure she was gonna pick Kendall
two days well like yeah technically like it felt like a week but it wasn't because Liv came in and stole me first right but that was like I mean like I was with like there was never a moment where I thought I was gonna go with Liv instead of Leah like it kind of got clipped that way but like I was telling Leah the whole time I was like you have nothing to worry about like because I was shocked when Liv picked me like we all were we all were so sure she was gonna pick Kendall
I don't, I don't remember how that went down. I just know that it was a thing and that we would give it to each other when we were talking because we were like, it was a lot. I mean, like we didn't sleep the first night. Like we were like,
I don't, I don't remember how that went down. I just know that it was a thing and that we would give it to each other when we were talking because we were like, it was a lot. I mean, like we didn't sleep the first night. Like we were like,
I called my family. They gave me my phone on the way to the airport and I knew I wasn't going to have service. So I called my family in like a group chat FaceTime, you know?
They put in the whole clip because it was that. I said, I hope she has a terrible personality.
She's not a blonde. She's brunette. She has blonde hair, but she's not a blonde.
Yeah. She's got brown eyes, dark features. She's not a blonde.
Yeah, but it doesn't, come on. It's not the hair. That's not what makes you blonde or brunette to me.
Well, also like, I don't follow like a rubric of like, She has blonde hair. Done. Like that's not, I don't really, when people ask me, I say I don't have a type.
But I do typically like brunettes.
Like my track record, definitely more into breasts.
First conversation, It was nice, but it wasn't like romantic. Like I didn't feel, I enjoyed talking to her. Like we apparently talked for like a really long time.
Immediately. I saw all their faces and I was really nervous because I was like, I was either worried that they were going to be like, But they were all like, hey, like they were so happy to see me. And they seemed like they were so proud of you. Like you did so good. You were yourself the whole time. And I was like, oh, what a relief.
And I didn't realize that we were talking that long. So like it went really well. But it wasn't like, like it wasn't like, I was, I was still like pretty all in on Leah at that point.
Well, we had, we literally just had that one convo.
Yeah. Before, before the next day she took me on a date, but that night we just had one conversation.
Of course. Cause I didn't want to hurt her. I still really liked her. Like I was like, That's something I think that people don't understand. Like, there was never a point where I stopped liking Leah. And when... Well, I guess we'll get to that. But yeah.
Yeah. Definitely. It was stressing me out. Like, it was stressing me out because I was... I told myself... That I was going to get to know every girl and I was going to try to figure out who was going to be my best match, no matter how much I liked the girl I was with.
Because that's what the level of experience, that's what you're supposed to do.
And that, you know, that's what they tell you. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to do that. And so I was like, I got it. And it was like a good enough conversation where I was like, I'm giving this a chance. Like, I'm just going to see where it goes.
You would never do that.
Not really. I'm not really like, I don't like talking to people that much. So like it's usually.
Yeah, I'm terrible on my phone. Yeah.
calling FaceTime is usually much better.
I'm a caller, but I will FaceTime.
I mean, yeah, like it's definitely, it's definitely happened. Like I've definitely been, but I mean, that's when you're single, like, yeah, you're going to get to know multiple people at a time, but like, it's not like I've never like dated multiple women.
Yeah. I'm a romantic heart for sure.
Probably took her to catch turtles at 2 a.m.
I don't know. It seemed pretty special to me. The moon was out and it was like, it was really nice. I enjoyed it a lot. It's quiet. It's kind of scary. So she's like, wants to be close. And it's like, I don't know. Turtles are cute.
I don't know. Most romantic thing. I can't think of that off the top of my head. I used to, I like making things a lot.
I made an emerald necklace for my first girlfriend from an emerald that I mined in North Carolina. Wow, that's romantic. Yeah, I like making stuff. I'm crafty like that.
I just didn't know. Like I didn't know because like it's a TV show, right?
It wasn't for me at all. If it seemed that way, that's not how it was really. It was like, I don't know. I haven't seen it, so I don't know, but I've seen clips obviously like on TikTok and stuff. I feel like it was condensed down to like, I don't know how long, but like it was a pretty long conversation that slowly got worse and worse and worse and worse. And it was kind of,
Like, Leah was coming at me, like, saying what she was saying, which I thought was, like, perfectly valid. And I kept telling her that. I was like, I get where you're coming from. And, like, I'm trying to see from your perspective. Because I get that this is hurting you. It would hurt me, too, if I was in your shoes. And then every time I tried to talk, she kept, like, cutting me off.
I know what happened. I was there.
And she wouldn't let me speak. And I started getting emotional. And then I was like, I just need to step away. And then I started crying and I was like, bro, what the fuck are you doing? And I think just crying induced like a panic attack. Like I was just, I was, I was fully freaking out.
I knew that I was authentic the whole time. Right. But it can get clipped and it can get edited. And like, yeah, you know.
absolutely freaking out and then I kind of got it together I went back down sat with her and she just started talking again like saying the same things and and just didn't like act like what what set me off was she just didn't ask me like how I felt which I think that triggered a lot of people they were like it matters more what she feels in that moment and 100% I was the one causing this situation yeah and I was taking responsibility for that I was trying to
But also, I just needed someone just to check on me in that moment. And for me, up until that moment, she was that person. And I kind of felt like just that she didn't care at all, which isn't true. It was just she was really upset. And rightfully so.
it was everything it was it was knowing that i was gonna have to choose between these two girls one that i just met but i was really like want to give a chance and i liked and then leah that i've just been so it's been great the whole time and honestly like i had no idea what i was gonna do yeah i really like i like and i didn't know it's very short windows of time where you have to make decisions and stuff and like i knew leah wasn't going anywhere yeah so i don't know
I fucked up I was just like I think honestly had that not happened I probably would have stayed with Leah I think because that was after that happened I was like I was like well that was terrible and then at that point like my head was I feel like after that my gut was telling me like like you should just go with Andrea but my head was still like
you really get on with leah like it's really good but i was hurt and i should i i wish i could have just something i needed to hear in that moment that i wish someone would have came up into me and said was advice that i gave everyone else later down the road was you need to just take yourself out of love island for like 10 minutes and just realize you just met these girls it's not that big of a deal
It's honestly like at this point, like too much to even, it's just a refresh and then it's like a new page.
why are you so emotional like really like pick it apart because i didn't know i was like why am i crying so much i like and i thought that but i didn't take myself out of it completely and i think if i had done that i think it would have been a lot different
I had a really good conversation with Noah from Stranger Things.
Was it exactly what I said?
Yeah, it was, I felt like our, we weren't, like, we didn't know what each other wanted. Like, it was kind of, like, a weird thing.
Yeah, we made out, like, a couple times. And it was good. It wasn't bad. I was just, like, I don't know why that came up, but... But yeah, I was just letting her know. And there, like you said, anything you don't say to somebody is wasting their time. And I felt like I needed to be as transparent with everyone as I could.
Yeah, but it wasn't like, I feel like we didn't click sexually. Does that make sense? Found her really attractive, everything. But when we kissed and stuff, it was like, it felt like she was holding back. She told me, and she said she was. Like she said, oh, that's because, she said it was because the first night when we had our first kiss, I said, please be gentle. I was joking.
before we kissed and she said that's why she said that from then on she like would like hesitate like kissing me and stuff and she said that was why and do you think if that i was like i was like well that makes sense because that's what it felt like it felt like i couldn't tell if she wanted to kiss me whenever we would we'd like make out and i'm like does she want to stop like i couldn't tell he was really weird and i'm glad i told her because well i don't think we made out again after that but but i i told her that and she was like oh yeah i was holding back um because you said that the first time we kissed i was like that was a joke
But am I wrong for like telling her that?
But it was so funny. And then we just talked about the show. He was just a big fan. And I just talked to him about it. Oh, wait. Should I not say it? Well, he just said it was fine. He said, I love you on Love Island. You stole my heart. And I said, thank you so much. I love Stranger Things. Thank you, Noah Schnapp from the hit TV show Stranger Things.
I mean, maybe. But no, like it was more of just telling her everything about us, like on the table. So if that did happen, like she understands where I'm at. Like I didn't want, I didn't want to blindside anyone. And I feel like I ended up blindsiding her because I didn't get the chance to talk to her before the recoupling thing.
That was like, that's one of my biggest regrets is I should have insisted because I wasn't able to get to her and I should have been like, no, we're not, I need to talk to Leah before this. Like, cause I knew it was going to happen, but yeah.
I wasn't able to talk to her. That's all I can say. I didn't get the I didn't get the chance. I didn't get the chance to talk to her.
make it look kind of like oh i'm this sucks for me too and like kind of get you out unscathed what do you say to that that's completely not true i mean you can ask anyone that i would never never want to cry like no definitely not that was completely genuine okay unfortunately um i wish it didn't happen at all the pool was there nowhere else to go So this is one of those things I should.
So in my head, I wasn't planning on going to the pool, but I saw it. I walked down the stairs, saw it. I was like, oh, I had noticed earlier that day you could go up onto the deck and there's no cameras. There's no mics. I just wanted to be alone. I was like, fuck this shit. And I was like, all right, I'm going in there. And so I took my clothes off. I jumped in.
I went in there and then I got in there and I was like. They probably think I'm killing myself or something. I was like, this is a terrible idea. This was an awful idea. So then I got out and then I just walked out. And that's what I should have done. I should have just walked out because I needed to be alone. That's what I needed. But I knew they were going to stop me.
I knew if I walked out, they were going to stop me, whatever. But I knew there, I'd get in the pool. What are they going to do? Fish me out? But yeah, it was, yeah. Hindsight, not the best choice.
Probably... My biggest flaw? It's hard to pick one.
I think I definitely learned from this that I have an issue with letting people in and letting my walls down. I think I also struggle with communication. I struggle with, I think I procrastinate My feelings. I think I'm feeling them, but I don't, I don't process them in my brain until I have to. And that is probably one of the biggest things.
Like that's what I think happened with the Leah and Andrea situation where I think if I had just like, but then again, I was never alone and I have to be alone to do that kind of thing. And I think if I was able to do that, it could have been so much better. I could have communicated to Leah a lot better because something about it is like you can recouple, but it doesn't mean it's over.
And I still had those feelings for Leah. And I think if I could have talked to her about it,
i don't know what happened but like it would have been different why do you think you have such a hard time with letting people in probably just the way i grew up okay probably just like share kind of well like i'm a family i'm one of four and i was just always more of the quiet one kept to myself didn't really i was like the middle child there's four of us but i was like you know what i mean like i just was like kind of independent um
And I think a lot of times I just felt like people didn't care. So I just didn't ever. And I still feel like that. I feel like people don't care because they don't like realistically, most people don't give a shit. Like they'll ask you, but they don't really care.
So I just don't waste my time and telling people like usually I just kind of like keep on going until I feel like it's something that matters, I guess.
You know, that's why I think it's only in one on one conversation that I can like actually let my walls down and talk because I think I gave every girl a chance and I tried my best. But looking back, I was like, damn. Especially after the Andre and Leah thing, it just tightened me up even more. Because I hurt them, and I knew that, and it wasn't my fault. I fucked up.
And it was hard for me to keep going after that.
Yeah. It was also worse that like I just didn't even think about it and I was talking to him. And then my sister was like, what are you doing? And I was like, I'm actually having just a casual conversation with the guy from Stranger Things right now. But it was funny.
They got divorced two years ago.
It's good. Yeah. My mom is a lot like me. She's like very witty and funny. She's hilarious. You would love her. And then my dad is really artistic and he's very handsome. And that's like his thing.
Yeah, he is. And being an artist. He's an artist.
I got both. I got both those things. I got some of their best traits and I got both of their worst traits.
My mom is really emotional and sometimes says and thinks things emotionally sometimes, which I do, which I've really worked on, I think. And then, yeah, I got some stuff from my dad, too.
Yeah, I think I think there is. I don't this is really going to be sad, but it's just I don't think that I can. I've been able to let someone all the way in.
I feel like I reach a point and they keep going and I can't.
I didn't know this was going to be that deep. Also, I need to turn my phone off.
Why do I think that is? I think I have... Gosh, this is really... I thought this was going to be more fun. I don't know.
I think I need therapy. To be honest, more therapy. Yeah.
I think I don't love me. And I really don't give a shit what people say about me because most of the time I'm saying it to myself already. Like when I got out, I saw all the horrible things people were saying about me and I was like, ah, beat you to the punch. Like I've been saying that shit this whole time. So I think I need to get over that before I can like really, and I'm a lot better.
A few, I'm pretty sure. Yeah.
I'm way better than I used to be. I used to be like really bad. Like I'm my number one.
i'm just hard on myself and i think that comes with being an artist i consider myself an artist i love creating things i love making things and i think that's just part of the mentality is like you can always be better like it's never perfect yeah which is not a good mentality to have like you can't be perfect it's literally impossible um but i know i'm very far from perfect and i'm starting to accept it more and more and i think like i don't know i've i've like hurt people in the past like i like i said with my last girlfriend like i fucking hurt her
And it still tears me up. And it's completely my fault. There's no one to blame but me. There's no good excuse for it. And it's just like... Fuck. I just carry it around.
Well, I think right now, at this point in time, I'm pretty emotionally drained. I don't know if I'm ready for anything like that.
Yeah. Actually, yeah. I do think I am a good person. I think of others often and I try. But I'm not perfect and I mess up. And I want to be better, I guess, is what I'm saying. Like, I've never been in a point in my life where I'm like, this is as good as it gets. I'm like this. But no, I always want to keep getting better. And I think I have.
I mean, like, I was working on myself before it, but like, that's one of the valuable things I got from this is I was able to look at myself in conflict. Like how do I react in like when I'm angry, how do I act when I'm really hurt? Like I can literally go and watch it. Like, um, And that's like super valuable. It really is because you can see, and that's something that Leah got from this too.
Because Leah was, I mean, she said some awful things about me and claimed to never have said them when she talked to me.
That she said that I was a little bitch and that I gave her the ick because of it. And like, just like some crazy shit that I've seen. I mean, I've seen some clips.
but she never admitted to that once until movie night like she's she said she didn't say that and then at one point she's like i may have said some things and i was like but i fully fully believe leah didn't she didn't like i think she says things that when she gets emotional and then it just never happened like she doesn't actually feel it she didn't say i think that kind of happens with her at least i don't know in that in that regard
I would say – Yeah, at times. But also I would say I have to do that sometimes because like I said, I'm serious. If you were just sitting in a room with me, I wouldn't be able to think about my feelings. It's really weird. I really need to be alone to process how I'm feeling. And journaling helps a lot. And I couldn't do either of those things.
You can't. No, because Beach Hut is your journal. Sorry, I'm not supposed to talk about that.
It's like the cutaway journal.
Also, like the amount of things I've written in my journal that I don't mean. You just say it to get it out. And then I'm like, OK, I don't feel that way. Move on. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's just how I process.
So after like everything that happened with Leah, I was like, OK, I made the right decision. Like I just that's just the way I saw it. I was like I was like, this was nuts like this. We've not known each other that long. We had this whole thing, which it was mostly my fault.
Like I feel like it was mostly my fault that it happened that way. But I mean, I mean, she'll admit some fault in it as well, but I feel like it was most of my fault, but it just didn't work. And I thought it was like, okay, our communication styles, whatever. I was like, I was like, okay, well I made the right choice. Like things with Andre are really great.
And it was, it was an amazing four days we had. Like I was like smitten. Like I really was like, I was having a great time and you can tell.
You can tell. I just thought she was like so much like just good. Like, I don't know.
like talking to her i love the way she talked about her family and it just felt really romantic like it just felt romantic that's like the best way i could put it i felt romantic when i was with her in the moment of those four days and i want to clarify because i feel like a lot of people are like you knew each other for four days like four days seems like what in love island time that's like a month like like a week a week is like a month it seriously is like it feels like you've known them forever because literally
you're with, like usually you date a girl, you may go on a date, you'll see her maybe next week or in a couple days, and you're like, you'll text the whole time, whatever, but like there, you are with them at any opportunity you can, and you have to talk about how you feel about everything. You're immediately talking about how many kids you want.
I had to wear them, okay? Don't come for the overalls. I had to wear them. I saw the memes and everything and I was like, bro. I was like, you know, might as well.
And then if, so if you like them, that progresses really, really fast.
At first, I was just mad. I was like, this makes no sense. This makes no sense. We had the strongest connection of most of the people in the villa at the time, like let alone who was up for elimination. And I was like, I was just baffled. I was baffled. I was like, how does this make sense? And then I was like, fuck it, I'm leaving.
yeah so you immediately stood up and you were like now you're sending three home like well it wasn't immediate that that probably that's longer okay but it was like we're sitting there we're talking we're like there's a back and forth between the girls and the guys okay blah blah blah and then finally like i'm sitting there and i'm like all right yeah nah and then aaron's like no no no no no no no and i got up and i was like yeah i'm leaving
All right. Once again, that was a three hour process of me trying like wanting to leave and like having conversations with people and they're like, no, you shouldn't. So it wasn't 30 minutes? No. Okay.
no she that she did have 30 minutes back and i had that conversation with her but after she left i was like no no like i had a conversation and they were like no you should say blah blah like it's so dumb you've only known her for four days blah blah and i'm like okay fair enough but then right after that i was like no i'm leaving like i'm like no like i'm i'm actually leaving and i just had a lot of conversations blah blah and they convinced me to stay the night and then the next day i calmed down and i was like okay yeah like
I came here to find the best connection. It was going amazing with her. And I think, like, you know, like, the honeymoon stage of a relationship? We were at that. We were at that point where I was like, this girl could do no wrong. I was just, like, so keen. Like, I was just happy. Gone. And I was like, fuck. Like, I don't know. Like, it was just a bad time.
No, I didn't even plan on wearing these. So I brought these. So Love Island, usually the intro is you're like doing your job and you get a text. You're like, oh, time to go to the villa. So that's what these were for.
Like, literally the next day, I could have been like, oh, like, I don't know about this. You don't know. But I... I was like, who knows who else might come in here? Like, you know, because it was still early days.
And so I was like, I mean, yeah, it does. I don't want to get out of here, get with her. It doesn't work out, which statistically very high probability that we would not work out. And then I'm like, damn, what could have been?
Yeah. A hundred, a hundred percent. I regret it. I wish I wouldn't have said it, but in that moment, that's what I was doing. Like I was set on leaving. Like I, and for a while after that, I was set on leaving even the next day. But yeah, of course you don't see any of that.
I don't know. I don't, I don't know. I don't know if it would have worked out. I really don't. It was really, really great, but like it was still early days.
Like we had a lot to learn about each other and you know,
What now, bitch? Yeah, I've seen that.
No, yeah. No, Leah's hilarious. Like I love like Leah's great.
I think it was a lot of miscommunication.
From the girls to me, from me to Leah. And so... First of all, I did not think Leah was capable of lying to me. I really thought that we had, I thought we had something special and I did not think she was lying to me at all until that conversation that she had with me It was up on the upstairs thing. She was, she told me like, and once again, I haven't watched it.
Sometimes, yeah. Often, sometimes. Yeah. So yeah, so I brought them for that part.
I don't remember exactly what she said, but I, she basically said like, she didn't talk shit about me and Andrea. She didn't talk shit about me or like shit like that. And I knew that wasn't true. And I was like, damn. And then she said, I took a backseat in the decision. And I was like, interesting. And the point of that conversation was not about that at all.
For me, it was more about, is this girl lying to me? Because like, I still had feelings for her. And like, I was thinking at this point, I was like, okay, maybe I should give this another shot. That's what the point, you remember when I pulled Liv in?
And then I was like, oh, fuck it. So I just threw them in the villa bag that goes in. And then I wore them and I was like, dude, this is the move. Because Fiji is really hot, right?
Kaylor, sorry. Yeah. I can remember Kayla's name. Kayla, I love you so much. You're like a sister to me.
Okay. Okay. Yeah. When I pulled them, the only reason I did that is because I didn't want to like, I knew Leah was going to get upset and I just didn't want to have the conversation at all. If they were like, oh no, she did. I would have been like, okay, cool. And I would have dropped it. The only reason I pulled them is because I just wanted all the facts.
I wanted to know the truth before I went into it.
also if she had been lying to me i knew she was gonna lie and she did kind of deny everything when we started the conversation and i was like oh okay and then i just kind of felt lied to and then they just kept yelling at each other and i was like i don't even want to be a part of this anymore that's not what i wanted at all also people were saying like we teamed up on her i talked to leah by myself and she called live over she kind of i think she kind of thought live was going to be on her side and she just wasn't at all and then it was like bad it was i hated that moment because it was just like
Leah was just in between two people that disagreed with her and it just wasn't fair for her at all.
you and Leah need to have a conversation alone let's you and I finish our conversation because I agree it became ganging up but then it was also tough because it's like yeah but you asked Liv and Liv's telling yeah exactly she asked for that yeah and and she was trying to team up on me yeah but I wanted the conversation to be really calm like I was trying to be really really calm yeah and then she just kept like saying these things and I was like this is not true and that's when I like lost my shit and I was like can you just wake the fuck up like we like just be real with me
I didn't have to wear a shirt, basically. It was like pants, a little bib, but it's very breathable. It was comfortable.
Oh, I thought I would get to see it.
Based on what the girls have told me, I don't think it does that. I don't think it clears your name.
clear clear everyone's names get the truth i don't know production i would have loved to see that as well maybe i heard i heard like i heard what was said you heard what was said yeah did they ever hear that no i was told like specifically what she was saying why after that share it with the class i don't want to because i don't know it's true who told you I don't want to say that either.
It's just drama. To me, that's drama. I like to know facts. And if I know facts, I will call you out on it. And I'll be like, hey, let's talk about this. But I'm not going to start something over something I don't know is true or not.
And it became about the decision. I was just trying to talk about how honest she had been with me. And I feel like the way she reacted made me feel like she wasn't being honest at all.
Definitely not. They didn't like them there. Like, it wasn't a no.
No, 100%. It wasn't all on her. And I didn't care about that. Yeah, that wasn't what you were asking. She made the decision. I just wanted to know if she was being honest about taking a backseat. I think that's what it became about. It was never about that. Even if she was full like, we need to get Andre out of here, I wouldn't have been mad at her.
I would have just liked to know if that was the truth. I just wanted honesty. That's all I wanted. I wanted to know that I could trust her.
No, I didn't. I felt like I couldn't trust her at that time. I was like... And, like, now, like, looking back, I don't know. Because I think it was really getting twisted around.
But myself included. I think that I didn't remember things right from our first conversation. But, like, I think everybody involved in that had a different narrative. And then there was the truth. And none of us were on it. I don't think.
When I first start something with someone, I fully trust them. That's like, I'm not going to date you if I don't. And that's why I was like, okay, well, I guess I'm not going to date Leah.
Yeah, once. Well, like my first, so my first college girlfriend, that was the most toxic relationship I've ever been in.
D on D is dick on denim.
On both sides. I was toxic. She was toxic. We could not stay away from each other to save our lives. Broke up a million times. Got back together a million times. Of course. Craziest things. Also, we're drinking all the time because it's college. So like that's the most toxic relationship I've ever been in.
it was it was crazy but yeah i went through her phone for sure she went through my phone too i would wake up and she'd have my phone she'd be like you motherfucker like like the crazy we have i have the craziest stories of like between us but did you find anything incriminating yes i know so have you been cheated on I mean, we weren't together at the time.
Because she's a good girl, and I wish her the best, and we both grew up. People can change, and I don't want people to be like, you did this, you know what I'm saying?
Everyone from my hometown will know who she is.
But I wish her the best. I think she's about to get married.
No, no, no. It's not like that. You should. Well, you can't try it, but I would encourage anyone out there to try it. It's your penis list, so it's not going to work for you, but it's breathable and like it's just nice.
No, I think a lot of my ex-girlfriends are about to get married. I prepare them. I'm like the stepping stone.
Sad. you're gonna find your person maybe are you the jealous type yeah yeah 100 okay 100 like how jealous jealous i'm like more of like a protective jealous but like when i'm dating a girl like i like i'll kind of make it now and like i'll put myself in between her and whatever the situation is um yeah that's kind of like that okay um can we talk about aaron
I think, like, at first, I was like, I'm not so sure about this guy. He's, like, kind of the opposite of me in the way that he's, like, really loud and, like, loves to, like... He's just silly and, like, goofy and... And I'm like that, too, but, like, only when I'm, like, really comfortable with people. But then, like, I got to know him and, like, he felt like family.
Like, he's, like, really, like... He's really sweet and he really, like, cares about everyone. Like, he really did. Like... Like, he would get sad when anyone was sad.
Yeah. Yeah, well, like, we, like, became really, really good friends. Like, he seriously felt like my brother.
Yeah, okay, well, they were open.
I'm not going to lie. When I saw the clips, I was shocked.
I was shocked. And I was shocked the day that I saw him kissing her on the beanbag. I was shocked.
Well, I'm wearing my lucky underwear. I thought I might need it.
Well, I wasn't really getting on with it. Like I got to know the girls. They were great girls. Sydney, so funny. Like I thought they were really great girls, but I didn't see like long term relationship type things with most of them. And Daniela had been talking with Aaron most of the time. And we have like similar type as far as personality.
uh and the first conversation i had with her i really liked and he was telling me the whole time that i should talk to her and i was like i was like what and he was like yeah like you like i think you guys really get along and i'm like but because he i think he knew he wasn't gonna take her back and at that point he was like you should you should at least talk to her and see even though he loved her he loved her he told her that he loved her twice daniella yes you have seen this
He said that he loved her?
Did they show that at movie night?
Really? I haven't even seen it on like anything. I haven't seen it clipped or anything.
what was the question anyways so how the fuck did you come back to the villa with daniella well yeah so i literally didn't get a chance to talk to her that much at all um and then i did i talked to her and i was like i was like i liked her value like where her values were and i liked like once again like she's very family oriented like me and she loves animals she wanted to be a vet i was like okay i could see something here so i was like my and like what am i gonna do go back single
I was actually really close to doing that exact thing. I was really close to going back single and just being like, Liv, what's up? You want to hang out? Yeah. I was really close to doing that. I seriously thought about it. But I was like... Liv and I both knew we get on and we get each other's humor and I find her really attractive. But it was like... It's more of a friendship for sure. Yeah.
No. Hell no. Hell no. He didn't want me to bring her. Oh, actually, he did.
He did. But then after that, right, like immediately after that, he was like, terrible idea. Don't bring her back.
Oh, fuck. I don't really remember that well. But he was like, he pulled me for a chat. And he was like, oh, yeah, she took it really, really well. The way that when he said that he was done, like he wasn't going to take her back or whatever. She took it. He said like she took it with like such grace and like she was so kind and she just said really nice things about him and stuff.
I'm not going to tell you that.
And he was like, oh, dang, like that was really cool. He's like, you're going to like her a lot. You should hang out with her. But like, yeah. And he was like, you should take her back. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot about it. I forgot. I totally. But it's because the reason I forgot about it is because.
Oh, okay. I didn't know that.
Well, he did not say – he said only if you see something with her. Like, if you want to bring her back, do it. But, like, it was like – yeah. It was, like, I guess implied, like, that he thinks that she's cool. But I don't – but I'm telling you, literally 10 minutes after that, he was like – Freaking out. Everything I said, so wrong.
I'm a dumbass. Do not do that unless you really want to. And then I was like – I got to know her and I was like – There's enough there that I want to see where it goes.
We didn't have a lot of time.
Yeah, I did because I care about Kayla. She's like a sister to me. But I also thought about it like, OK, well, at least like. She's going to know like and I was wrong, but at least she's going to know that he's being honest because she'll tell him everything. And then she didn't. I've seen that as well.
Yeah, I know. I know. But that was like my silver lining. I was like, OK, yeah, like this is going to be weird. And it sucks because like Aaron's my best friend and Kayla is his girl. And like I want to be able to hang out with them all together. But honestly, like Kayla really took it with grace. Like and and she got along with Daniela enough that like we could all kind of hang out.
Off the beaten path? Mm-hmm. What? Come on, Alex.
But like, I don't know. Things. Yeah.
I know. Well, yeah. Yeah.
And I think he's going to be okay because I think what I've just told him over and over again is you fucked up. You got to take accountability. And as long as you keep doing that, I think it's going to be okay. Because I promise you this. He loves Kayla. He really does.
He cares about her so much. And it was killing him even in Casa. I remember one day specifically. It was after he kissed her. He sat in the room for like hours and just stared and was like, what the fuck have I done? Blah, blah, blah. And he really cares about her a lot. He really does.
I've seen a ton. I mean, how could I not? They're fucking everywhere.
I think after everything, I think we will be amazing friends. And I think I'd rather just focus on that for now. Like, love being around her. She's an amazing person. She's so fucking funny. Like, I'm, like, laughing the whole time I'm with her, usually. But, like, I mean, I think... I also think Miguel is a really great guy. I love Miguel.
And we're actually really similar, which I didn't see coming at all. Like, some of the way we think... But, yeah, I think... I don't know what's happened, obviously. But, I mean, no. I mean, I'm going to respect them and her. And, like, I just don't think that that's, like, necessary at all. I think that we're great friends and that's, like, a great spot to be. And I'm happy with it.
You know my story. You know my name and my story, but you don't know me.
Like, I'm content in that. Like, I would be content being friends with her.
I mean... But that's okay.
Yeah, like, I'm okay with being friends and I want to be friends.
america is rooting for you and leah even though she has something good with miguel probably all the edits probably all the fucking edits you guys have made of us looking at each other and like i mean and we care it's like it's not built on nothing like we care for each other for sure i like i feel that she cares for me and i care for her um
But yeah, after everything, I think it would be really, really hard. I mean, it's kind of like the Aaron Kaler situation. That's going to be such an uphill battle for them to get through. And I think the best thing for us is just to move on and be friends. Seriously, I think that's just the best thing.
Most of the time, no. There was definitely some moments where I was like, damn. I cannot lie. There was definitely some moments where I was like, damn. But... Most of the time, like a lot, like I've seen a lot of them. I'm like, I'm like, I don't think she was looking at me in that. Like, like, like some of them. I'm like, OK.
But yeah, like other times I'm like, yeah, I mean, that was a nice moment for us.
I mean, you're not lying. No. Like, I don't really want to talk about it.
But the edits have made it really like it's it's definitely like hype hyped up.
I think she would say the same thing.
grand final moment with her where you run up so funny didn't feel like that at all like really I mean in the moment it did but like I literally just wanted to say bye and like let her know that I cared about her and I thought she was great and I'm glad that we got to get back to that point that's all I wanted to say but then it was like I don't know.
It was so much more emotional than I thought it was going to be. Like in my head, I was like, this is not a big deal at all. I'm just going to let her know these things. And then I let her know. And then I was like, oh, that was kind of crazy. Like a little bit. It wasn't that crazy. But like, it seems a lot crazier on TV, I think.
No, they didn't make me do that.
No, like other than like the lines they wrote me. No, I'm playing. No, that was.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you say that, it's like I love you as a friend. Yeah, for sure.
I don't. Yeah, I don't. I mean, I've been talking to her a little bit, but it's not like... I think, once again, it's probably better if we just kind of keep our distance for now. A lot has happened, and she's been posting a lot.
Yeah, which is... I'd be lying if I was like... I was kind of like, oh, that's a lot of things to post about... which sounds really bad, but like, I do think she's a great girl. And I think she got it. Like, I think the reason she did that is like, she was, she went in there and did what she was supposed to do. She did nothing wrong, literally did nothing wrong. And she was always kind.
Like she, when she left, I don't know if it was, I haven't seen it, but I don't know when she left. She was in a position where she could have said a lot of mean things and been like, y'all are some bitches for doing this, blah, blah, blah. Didn't not say a word. All she said was like how much she cared about me and then left. Like, I thought that was like so good.
And like, I thought she handled herself so well the whole time, which is why I was kind of surprised. Like she was like posting a lot of stuff. But like, I guess she was, she got like the most hate from anyone from the show.
I texted her. I texted her. I just said, hey, how are you? And then I called her. Well, yeah, we called. We FaceTimed for a little bit. Didn't talk about anything crazy. Just wanted to see how she was doing. Because at this point, I hadn't looked at really anything online. And I was just like, how are you doing? Everything. I was thinking about you a lot.
like blah blah told her my because i knew once she left she didn't know what happened and i think it was made to look like she left i was like i'm leaving i did it and then i didn't give a fuck that was not the case yeah i was like you can ask as any person in there i was like i was so fucked like for that week after that like it was tough but like i did i did get better and i got over it like
towards the end so like and I told I let her know like all that and I was just like because I felt guilty I felt really guilty about it and at times I was like I should have just left like I'm such a bitch like I don't know I mean like I said I tear myself up like But rightfully so. It was such a lose-lose situation at that point because I got emotional and said that.
But yeah, I just kind of let her know how it went, how I was feeling and everything. And she told me a little bit about what was going on with her. And then that was it. And then we've texted a little bit. But I did start to see all the stuff that she was doing. And I was like, that's something that I did not see coming from her. She just seemed very no drama. Like in the villa, so no drama.
You don't understand. I saw a clip of that. And I think that really was a part of why I was so emotional. Going into Love Island is crazy. You don't understand. You're on no sleep.
Like she said that like, yeah. Yeah. And I just was really kind of set back by that when I saw that. I was like, oh, interesting.
But it's not like the reason I'm having those thoughts. It has nothing to do with me being out. It has to do with me seeing what she's been doing while I was out. Like I was like interesting. And but I will just like last thing on it. Like I will give her like credit. Like I do get why she would be doing that if like people were coming at her. But it was a lot.
You have no paper. Sorry.
You have no alone time, which is huge for me because that's how I process my emotions. I have to be alone.
It had been a really, really, really long time. After, I was like, fuck, Rob. You made it this whole time. You didn't have sex on TV. Your poor mother. Everyone's going to be like, he never cared about any of those bitches. He's just going to fuck. Then I was like, you know what? I'm an adult. She's an adult. It felt right in the moment. It happened. I don't regret it. It just happened.
I'm about to onion back up right now.
You really have. You're good at this. I will give you credit.
So I couldn't figure my shit out. And also I was horny as fuck.
Did you use my full name?
That is tea. I've said no words for what you're saying.
No one knew. That was the funniest part. I don't know how many conversations they put in, but Miguel, like, I think it was literally the next day. He was like, he was like, yeah, bro. I just don't think that I could have sex in here. Like, it's just not something I'm going to do. And I'm like, dude, me either, bro. And then Cassie was sitting right next to me.
I was like, I was like, dude, me either. Like, especially like in the room with everyone could never do that. He's like, he's like, yeah, bro. Like, I mean, honestly, if someone did, I would rate it. But, like, it's just something I wouldn't do. And I was like, yeah, bro. Couldn't be me.
And I looked at Cassie and she was like.
No, I wouldn't say I've been waiting for it.
I mean to, like, release. Oh, I was, like, built up.
It's alliteration. Lovely Leah. Like, come on. Chill the fuck out.
Stop. You're just saying that because of the edits. You watched the edits. They worked on you. And that's what you want.
That's nuts. That's nutty. Ariana. Anyways, next question.
she looked fucking amazing this season so good she was always wearing see-through clothes i was like what's up with her not really wearing clothes all the time how many times did you guys think she was a bombshell walking in um once but also i thought she was an islander when we she was sitting there with them when we walked in and i went around and shook everyone's hand i shook her hand i was like nice to meet you i'm rob and then i was like
I'm not. Yeah. I'm not telling you.
yeah it was really there's a clip of like cordell at one point and everyone's like it's ariana it's ariana and cordell comes out he's like who the fuck is that he's blind as a bat he can't see shit it's so funny serena and cordell are so cute now i love them i love them both individually yeah so it makes me easy to like them as a couple you know what i'm saying like they had their struggles they're really dope but that's why i think they'll they'll be good i think because like they had a hard time they got through a lot yeah but like
Yeah, they're both dope.
It was probably because it was boring.
No. It's a good estimation.
It's good. It's 25. It's 26 now.
Is it? Oh! No, it's not. 23 is a lucky number. Fuck. Passed it.
When I go to the casino, I put on red 23.
I used to when I lived in L.A.
I mean, you could hardly say that. I was here for a year.
Work. Yeah, what's going on? Rob Thunder. What? Just kidding. It was a joke.
That was a joke. So Connor, yeah, yeah. So the picture they took for me, for like my picture, everyone thought I looked like a porn star. And so Connor came up with the name Rob Thunder. That was like me.
Maybe, like, yeah, that's a good one. Library.
I can't imagine trying to get to know someone right now. I can't imagine giving someone my full attention and actually being able to be present.
No, get in the woods and leave my phone at home. I need to go in the creek. Yeah, I'm not kidding. I really need that. It's like my therapy.
Yeah, of course. It feels right.
if the mood is right the mood's right we'll give a little little cutie okay so you're ready to get back to the woods yep are you going to continue to be a snake wrangler are you gonna like start popping up are you gonna do the reality stuff are you gonna go back on another reality show like what do you think survived i have no idea they like they've asked me a lot like what i want to do from this because like the show did the best it did it's number one it beat every other show in america yeah it was the number one streaming insane uh which i did not see coming so like yeah like
I think I'm just going to keep catching snakes. I mean, like, if I get a really good opportunity, like, like I said, I'd be like, ah, fuck it, whatever. Like, that's kind of how I live my life. Like, that's why I went on Love Island. That's why that situation happened. Like, I didn't apply for that, you know? Right. So, yeah, something that comes across. Like, Survivor. Oh, I would do that.
Like, some shit like that.
I would say I'm nervous.
I don't know. I don't know. Just when I think about that, the stress chemical in my brain comes out.
I'm procrastinating thinking about it.
Well, I feel like... I feel like... I don't know. I'm just interested to see who's still together and how everything is going for everyone. And just everyone together again. I think a lot of people went to the internet and maybe some things have been said that are not great about other people. And that's going to be a thing for sure. I mean...
but I'm hot enough that it doesn't matter. That's it. That's the consensus I've gotten. I've seen so many TikToks of like, this man is a red flag. He's terrible. I hate him. I can't stop looking at him. I love him so much. It's just weird.
I'm just being honest. Like anything I've said, I'll be like, yeah, I said that. I meant that.
No, no. Just the situation in general. Gives you anxiety. Yeah. That's just going to be like not just me. No, not with me. I'm thinking about other people. I'm like, how the fuck is that going to go? Yeah.
Hate is the closest emotion to love. I'm just kidding. Thank you. I don't know. It's confusing. I'm confused. You know, something I kind of saw myself like after. Obviously, there was a lot of drama at the beginning. But after that, I just thought I was kind of a background character. I didn't really feel in the show anymore. So I just kind of like, yeah, whatever. I'm just chilling.
And then I was surprised when I came out. It was like a lot of buzz about.
I mean, I mean, why would you want to talk about that? Why would you want to focus on the negative? I know, I know you're saying you're not.
Yeah, that was great. Oh, yeah. That was... Okay, so... How did you feel about that? So after not leaving, after Andrea left, I was like kind of regretting it a lot. And that moment made me the most happy I was about staying. That moment was...
so great for me like and for us i thought which was i really liked it gave us closure and it was in front of everyone which i loved because i'm not the kind of person that like i feel like there was weirdness in the villa about leah and i but i'm not the kind of person that's gonna go to everyone and like give my side of the story blah blah like i'm just gonna like let my actions speak for themselves yeah um but in that moment i was given the opportunity to like talk with her and stuff and i thought it was really good for us and then we had a great conversation after that and yeah we just like we got back to being friends and like it was good
I feel like it's not true, but it's kind of true. What? I don't feel like I gasped.
I hate LA. That's why I moved. No offense. It's great for other people. Too much concrete for me.
I'm sure after this, I'm going to think of a million things. I'm like, damn, I should have said that.
Not really, but I like him. He's just like... Cool. I know people hate him, but I like him.
He's just Dave. I like genuine people. It was the same... Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like genuine folk. I like people that are just themselves and they don't really give a fuck.
He's going to be honest. He's going to be Dave. I like that about him.
Do I regret things I did? I think every decision I made, I would have eventually made. I think I was put in these like small timeframes where my issue was my communication. And it partly was because I didn't know how I was feeling.
I'm not a people person. But I love my friends. Hmm. How do I get into this? Okay. Let's say, all right, let's say we're going to go on a date. Okay. Let's just say first date. Okay. I would like prefer to do something where it's just the two of us and like quiet. We get to know each other. Like I'm not like a big concert guy. I don't like going to the club. I'll go to a bar.
But even then I'm like, there's too many people here. Uh-huh.
I would say like a picnic.
Go to the creek. Go to the river. Go to the beach. Okay. Bodies of water are typically good for picnics.
I think... My last girlfriend would have a lot of good things to say and a lot of bad things to say. The one before that, same. I think same. I think with my last relationship, I mean, I don't want to talk too much because that's her business too. But I think the wheels kind of fell off at the end and it went longer than it should have. And I think that was really...
It's really, really strange. One of the big things is like neon isn't on everything. Like neon signs, like the lights there. I got really used to just seeing that every day. I got to my hotel room and I was like, it's so dark in here.
came down to like communication and and i think it was hugely on me um and it's like one of my biggest regrets uh is like putting her through the months of like the end of our relationship like yeah because i did love her and like i i fully believe she loved me too and it was like just knowing you did that to someone that you care about what you just like weren't communicating with her how you were feeling i i just was like
And that's not an excuse.
When you care about somebody, you still have to, like, figure that out. But, like, I didn't know how I felt about myself. And I just couldn't give her what she needed. And I just should have walked away way sooner.
Like, on and off. Like, we broke up. We got back together.
I think we broke up twice.
But, like, yeah. It wasn't, like, back and forth, back and forth.
They called me. They said, what are you doing? And I was literally saving a turtle crossing the road. I was in a great mood. I was on my way to Arkansas to go catch a bunch of snakes. I was wearing these overalls. Like, true story. I was wearing these overalls. I had just caught a copperhead. I was on cloud nine. I was having a great day. And someone called me.
They're like, hey, Rob, what are you doing? You single? I said, why? You interested? And they're like, no, you want to come back to Love Island? I was like... I thought about it and I was like, you know what? Like my plan for the summer was just to catch snakes all summer and just like make videos and stuff. And I was just like, fuck it. Like I'm not really doing anything. Might as well.
I'd love to find a girlfriend. Didn't work out.
I'm looking for a girlfriend that I would marry. Okay. Like I do. I do. I'm like dating to marry at this point.
And that's why I'm not wasting anyone's time. Like I'm not going to get...
into something that i if at any point i don't see that future progressing to that like i'm gonna get out how many times have you been in love i think once okay i told two of my girlfriends that i loved them and i think i meant it with the girl yeah but then i i realized i really meant it with yeah yeah do you think that your ex-girlfriend watched the season of a lion no definitely not but she definitely saw stuff
Can I light this candle?
Um, it just, I'm just uncomfortable.
I don't know. I like you though.
You get used to it. You get used to like just being around like literally there's a neon sign on every surface. Like it's like lights up.
I don't need a blanket. No.
I just, I just, I'm not uncomfortable.
It's very fresh. And like I said, like it takes me a while to process.
My emotions and how I feel about everything. And right now, I think some of the things I'm not, like, I'm not, I haven't processed it. So, like, this is, I mean, I just got back from Fiji. I just left.
And so, like, right now, it makes me nervous to talk about these things because, like, emotions are kind of high and, like, I just don't want to, like,
And I got out and I was like, it's so dark out here.
That's exactly what I'm thinking.
Like that makes me nervous.
I really liked her a lot. I felt like, I think it's pretty obvious that I'm a bit odd and I can be hard to read. And I think it's hard for people to understand me, especially my humor. She got it right away. And I loved that. I loved that. And I also thought she was really funny. And obviously she's gorgeous.
But seriously, from the first night when I walked in there, we just kept like locking eyes.
And I was like, man, I really hope that we get coupled up tonight. And we did.
two days well like yeah technically like it felt like a week but it wasn't because Liv came in and stole me first right but that was like I mean like I was with like there was never a moment where I thought I was gonna go with Liv instead of Leah like it kind of got clipped that way but like I was telling Leah the whole time I was like you have nothing to worry about like because I was shocked when Liv picked me like we all were we all were so sure she was gonna pick Kendall
I don't, I don't remember how that went down. I just know that it was a thing and that we would give it to each other when we were talking because we were like, it was a lot. I mean, like we didn't sleep the first night. Like we were like,
It'll all be fine once we get to Wintery Bay. Yes. Perfect wintery bay. You want to explain on that further? Good night. Clyde snores. Yeah, she, like, unzips her tent.
It'll all be fine once we get to Wintery Bay. Yes. Perfect wintery bay. You want to explain on that further? Good night. Clyde snores. Yeah, she, like, unzips her tent.
I know I don't talk much, but I'm going to scare the shit out of you immediately.
I know I don't talk much, but I'm going to scare the shit out of you immediately.
I'm a cute... I'm Alice Sherma. Did you ever meet Jorogumo?
I'm a cute... I'm Alice Sherma. Did you ever meet Jorogumo?
Sir, if you've been there for so long, how do you not know how to say it?
Sir, if you've been there for so long, how do you not know how to say it?
Why do you say such horrible things to me?
Why do you say such horrible things to me?
Did you find anything in the Agahari? Awakagahara. In the unaliving forest.
Did you find anything in the Agahari? Awakagahara. In the unaliving forest.
I wouldn't say I'm a cultured woman. I just wanted to know if you've seen any... Oh, I see how it is.
I wouldn't say I'm a cultured woman. I just wanted to know if you've seen any... Oh, I see how it is.
Yes. Rob, I need you to just get back to the fucking story with the ranged old man.
Yes. Rob, I need you to just get back to the fucking story with the ranged old man.
It'll all be fine once we get to Wintery Bay. Yes. Perfect wintery bay. You want to explain on that further? Good night. Clyde snores. Yeah, she, like, unzips her tent.
I know I don't talk much, but I'm going to scare the shit out of you immediately.
I'm a cute... I'm Alice Sherma. Did you ever meet Jorogumo?
Sir, if you've been there for so long, how do you not know how to say it?
Why do you say such horrible things to me?
Did you find anything in the Agahari? Awakagahara. In the unaliving forest.
I wouldn't say I'm a cultured woman. I just wanted to know if you've seen any... Oh, I see how it is.
Yes. Rob, I need you to just get back to the fucking story with the ranged old man.
Yeah. I feel like you're tricking me and it's some kind of, like, sex toy.
Yeah. I feel like you're tricking me and it's some kind of, like, sex toy.
You just always try and have a quippy response to however I pick up. And I guess you're not as on when we're just chatting.
You just always try and have a quippy response to however I pick up. And I guess you're not as on when we're just chatting.
I just felt dredged when I realized I picked up in such a rude way and I realized you were recording me.
I just felt dredged when I realized I picked up in such a rude way and I realized you were recording me.
Quiver full. Is this a product or a service or am I guessing that as well?
Quiver full. Is this a product or a service or am I guessing that as well?
Movement. Okay, quiver full. Maybe, okay, it's not this, but it could be something that tracks how many arrows you have left. If you're really into archery, so that you always have a full quiver.
Movement. Okay, quiver full. Maybe, okay, it's not this, but it could be something that tracks how many arrows you have left. If you're really into archery, so that you always have a full quiver.
Hello, David.
Hello, David.
And one of the first games I ever played was called Oregon Trail. Is the Oregon Trail in Oregon or is that somewhere else?
And one of the first games I ever played was called Oregon Trail. Is the Oregon Trail in Oregon or is that somewhere else?
Well, that's just how I imagine the world of the game. Like, you go to a saloon and there are some barrels outside. And sometimes the barrels are the table, you know?
Well, that's just how I imagine the world of the game. Like, you go to a saloon and there are some barrels outside. And sometimes the barrels are the table, you know?
I have this fear that the more I talk, the more likely it is people are going to start thinking, I can see why you smashed an egg on her head.
I have this fear that the more I talk, the more likely it is people are going to start thinking, I can see why you smashed an egg on her head.
Your friend is doing good. How is my friend doing?
Your friend is doing good. How is my friend doing?
Not just America. Anywhere. Anywhere can go bad, but especially America.
Not just America. Anywhere. Anywhere can go bad, but especially America.
I'm not sure. I've just been in my room all day.
I'm not sure. I've just been in my room all day.
I'm tidying up. It's time to get clean in my world. Are you recording me?
I'm tidying up. It's time to get clean in my world. Are you recording me?
Oh, no. God, it's so mortifying. Why am I like this?
Oh, no. God, it's so mortifying. Why am I like this?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, well, you know, there's like this big stereotype of Portland being the home of the hipster. I want to say barrels. Do they have a lot of barrels?
Oh, well, you know, there's like this big stereotype of Portland being the home of the hipster. I want to say barrels. Do they have a lot of barrels?
like an oak barrel i just like when i picture portland i can imagine there are lots of barrels everywhere i've never been there and i don't know anything these these questions are a constant ploy to humiliate me where are these barrels at bars and pubs and stuff Well, I don't know, but when I was eight and I lived with my granddad and he had one of those old computers with text-based games.
like an oak barrel i just like when i picture portland i can imagine there are lots of barrels everywhere i've never been there and i don't know anything these these questions are a constant ploy to humiliate me where are these barrels at bars and pubs and stuff Well, I don't know, but when I was eight and I lived with my granddad and he had one of those old computers with text-based games.
I'm like, I remember when Marvel films used to be... Oh, this is a Marvel film? This is a Marvel film.
I'm like, I remember when Marvel films used to be... Oh, this is a Marvel film? This is a Marvel film.
Five best. Five best birds. Touchdown in America. Hi, Rob.
Five best. Five best birds. Touchdown in America. Hi, Rob.
That sounds about right. Is that about right? 1,000 feet to 10,000 feet? I'm so bad with distance. Because I think, what, airplanes are like 30,000 feet? They're 30,000. So a third of where an airplane is, a blimp seems higher.
That sounds about right. Is that about right? 1,000 feet to 10,000 feet? I'm so bad with distance. Because I think, what, airplanes are like 30,000 feet? They're 30,000. So a third of where an airplane is, a blimp seems higher.
You said 1,000 to 10,000? Yeah. You were not that far off. I wasn't that far off. You were within the range.
You said 1,000 to 10,000? Yeah. You were not that far off. I wasn't that far off. You were within the range.
Is public transport usually cheap? It's not free.
Is public transport usually cheap? It's not free.
What year did this blow up? I don't know. I don't fucking know. It was in the dock.
What year did this blow up? I don't know. I don't fucking know. It was in the dock.
so they don't think i'm gonna take a shit yeah they just now think you're masturbating it's a good little gag there um but my point is like if people know i think that's why on a plane they don't know if you're going one or two what is what i'm saying is very obvious on a blimp look it's very specific It's a small space. It's just because you know everyone on there. You know everyone.
so they don't think i'm gonna take a shit yeah they just now think you're masturbating it's a good little gag there um but my point is like if people know i think that's why on a plane they don't know if you're going one or two what is what i'm saying is very obvious on a blimp look it's very specific It's a small space. It's just because you know everyone on there. You know everyone.
Or in the country? Blimp pilots. AIOview, 17 full-time blimp pilots in the US.
Or in the country? Blimp pilots. AIOview, 17 full-time blimp pilots in the US.
16 to 18 is also not... Well, you're ratbags.
16 to 18 is also not... Well, you're ratbags.
No, I really don't think they are. I'd like to think she was being honest and very stern.
No, I really don't think they are. I'd like to think she was being honest and very stern.
Yes. So yeah, go to that form one more time, Rob. It's bit.ly slash fbfancy.
Yes. So yeah, go to that form one more time, Rob. It's bit.ly slash fbfancy.
And if, Kate, you're watching or listening to this... FlightlessBirdChat at gmail.com.
And if, Kate, you're watching or listening to this... FlightlessBirdChat at gmail.com.
This is awful. I have, I've turned into that thing that I hate. You've got this whole flock of birdies that are, uh, well, I get great answers.
This is awful. I have, I've turned into that thing that I hate. You've got this whole flock of birdies that are, uh, well, I get great answers.
What's it made from? I couldn't even tell you. Oh, you don't even, it's. No, it's just, I just love it. Like, oh, you like it. Oh, I love it. Yeah, no. But it's a dark brown sludge. Yeah, dark brown sludge. And you put it on toast.
What's it made from? I couldn't even tell you. Oh, you don't even, it's. No, it's just, I just love it. Like, oh, you like it. Oh, I love it. Yeah, no. But it's a dark brown sludge. Yeah, dark brown sludge. And you put it on toast.
We've been in a hot tub together, though.
We've been in a hot tub together, though.
The chicken Madeira. And then I'm going to do the nachos. Can I do no sour cream?
The chicken Madeira. And then I'm going to do the nachos. Can I do no sour cream?
I got something like Lord of the Rings, Sauron. Fucking right, it is. It's the Eye of Sauron right there. It's kind of Celtic as well, but then a lot of blown glass fixtures and a lot of patterns.
I got something like Lord of the Rings, Sauron. Fucking right, it is. It's the Eye of Sauron right there. It's kind of Celtic as well, but then a lot of blown glass fixtures and a lot of patterns.
Yeah, this is a very large plate of nachos. And your chicken, I don't even know. I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at. I'm seeing a lot of mushrooms. I don't think I've ever seen a piece of chicken that shape or size, I guess.
Yeah, this is a very large plate of nachos. And your chicken, I don't even know. I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at. I'm seeing a lot of mushrooms. I don't think I've ever seen a piece of chicken that shape or size, I guess.
Are you the type that feels any codependency with the food, what you're leaving on your plate, and will you force yourself to eat more, especially if a waiter recommends an item for you?
Are you the type that feels any codependency with the food, what you're leaving on your plate, and will you force yourself to eat more, especially if a waiter recommends an item for you?
I mean, this is also bigger portions, even within America, because I've maybe had a fourth of my nachos, and I'm full and do not want any more.
I mean, this is also bigger portions, even within America, because I've maybe had a fourth of my nachos, and I'm full and do not want any more.
I don't know that I, when I think of Cheesecake Factory, that I necessarily go immediately to unhealthy food.
I don't know that I, when I think of Cheesecake Factory, that I necessarily go immediately to unhealthy food.
Yeah, I agree. And both of them are, have just kind of melded to slop at this point. Mine's just a puddle of cheese and soggy chips and you, I can't even tell what's chicken and mashed potatoes anymore on your plate. And now we're about to have a bunch of cheesecake. Maybe we only do two pieces. We were talking about how many we needed to get, but I think two is probably enough.
Yeah, I agree. And both of them are, have just kind of melded to slop at this point. Mine's just a puddle of cheese and soggy chips and you, I can't even tell what's chicken and mashed potatoes anymore on your plate. And now we're about to have a bunch of cheesecake. Maybe we only do two pieces. We were talking about how many we needed to get, but I think two is probably enough.
Yeah. I mean, that's not normally my choice, but if, uh, I'm normally like a pretty classic cheesecake. So all of the bells and whistles of most of these are not what I would go for. Yeah. I would either do the original or the red velvet if I was coming here, but you're a big candy sweet guy. You should definitely do, you should do the Oreo. We do the red velvet cheesecake.
Yeah. I mean, that's not normally my choice, but if, uh, I'm normally like a pretty classic cheesecake. So all of the bells and whistles of most of these are not what I would go for. Yeah. I would either do the original or the red velvet if I was coming here, but you're a big candy sweet guy. You should definitely do, you should do the Oreo. We do the red velvet cheesecake.
This says 2,000 calories a day is used for general nutritional advice. I think my nachos were 2,600. I'm glad I only had like five of them.
This says 2,000 calories a day is used for general nutritional advice. I think my nachos were 2,600. I'm glad I only had like five of them.
Yes, very, very, very rich. Do you guys have cheesecake in New Zealand?
Yes, very, very, very rich. Do you guys have cheesecake in New Zealand?
My grandma used to make us cheesecake. Like, very simple cheesecake. My grandma was not layering in red velvet cake and putting Oreo crumbles and frosting on hers.
My grandma used to make us cheesecake. Like, very simple cheesecake. My grandma was not layering in red velvet cake and putting Oreo crumbles and frosting on hers.
Yeah, she made a really good cheesecake and she made a really good cinnamon bread.
Yeah, she made a really good cheesecake and she made a really good cinnamon bread.
Two very like grandma dishes too.
Two very like grandma dishes too.
Yeah. And cheesecake. I mean, this is going to sound bad. Yeah. But growing up in the suburbs of Chicago, Cheesecake Factory was one of the nicer places.
Yeah. And cheesecake. I mean, this is going to sound bad. Yeah. But growing up in the suburbs of Chicago, Cheesecake Factory was one of the nicer places.
What year was Grandma Monica born?
What year was Grandma Monica born?
I did that this summer with my dad. Oh, get out. When we did that road trip from LA to Chicago and back. And he came with me and Calvin. Yeah. And me and Calvin kind of interviewed him throughout the trip and recorded it and just... Asked him about growing up and what his dad was like that I'd never met.
I did that this summer with my dad. Oh, get out. When we did that road trip from LA to Chicago and back. And he came with me and Calvin. Yeah. And me and Calvin kind of interviewed him throughout the trip and recorded it and just... Asked him about growing up and what his dad was like that I'd never met.
I had an official recording, so what you go out and do. Yeah, a little field recorder. And I had some general directions on which I wanted to spend each day talking to him about. I didn't want it to just be like, okay, cool, let's have a two-hour conversation about this.
I had an official recording, so what you go out and do. Yeah, a little field recorder. And I had some general directions on which I wanted to spend each day talking to him about. I didn't want it to just be like, okay, cool, let's have a two-hour conversation about this.
Let's talk about what your parents did before you were born and what you remember as a little kid and then what high school was like and then how you chose what you wanted to do for college.
Let's talk about what your parents did before you were born and what you remember as a little kid and then what high school was like and then how you chose what you wanted to do for college.
Yeah, it was fun incorporating him, but he oftentimes would just fall asleep like 20 minutes into it and just got bored and would ask the same questions of like, what were your favorite toys?
Yeah, it was fun incorporating him, but he oftentimes would just fall asleep like 20 minutes into it and just got bored and would ask the same questions of like, what were your favorite toys?
I think you were steered in the wrong direction on what you ordered.
I think you were steered in the wrong direction on what you ordered.
You ordered a very heavy... I mean, not that the nachos were any lighter.
You ordered a very heavy... I mean, not that the nachos were any lighter.
I was very like non-committal. It was kind of like an appetizer that I ate very little of.
I was very like non-committal. It was kind of like an appetizer that I ate very little of.
I'd hate saying yes to both of those. That's all right. I don't have those feelings now, but in like high school, there was a cheesecake factory at the Woodfield Mall. And that was like one of the nicer places to go. Maybe it was just, it was more expensive too.
I'd hate saying yes to both of those. That's all right. I don't have those feelings now, but in like high school, there was a cheesecake factory at the Woodfield Mall. And that was like one of the nicer places to go. Maybe it was just, it was more expensive too.
But I will say I do love their cheese... I do love their cheesecake. How is your Red Velvet? So, a couple days ago, last weekend, Calvin went to a birthday party at the movie theater next to the Cheesecake Factory we went to. And then after, they went to the Cheesecake Factory. And Natalie went to pick him up. And I was like, hey, will you bring...
But I will say I do love their cheese... I do love their cheesecake. How is your Red Velvet? So, a couple days ago, last weekend, Calvin went to a birthday party at the movie theater next to the Cheesecake Factory we went to. And then after, they went to the Cheesecake Factory. And Natalie went to pick him up. And I was like, hey, will you bring...
Bring some red velvet cheesecake while you're picking up Calvin. So I had it a couple days ago again. Solid. Yeah, their cheesecake's great.
Bring some red velvet cheesecake while you're picking up Calvin. So I had it a couple days ago again. Solid. Yeah, their cheesecake's great.
And every single one looks exactly the same. Which is, I mean, typical of a franchise. Yeah, it's a comfort thing.
And every single one looks exactly the same. Which is, I mean, typical of a franchise. Yeah, it's a comfort thing.
Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, Cheesy Factory's just so specific.
Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, Cheesy Factory's just so specific.
Oh, it's like what the White House did.
Oh, it's like what the White House did.
Wait, the Cheesecake Factory's been around since 1988?
Wait, the Cheesecake Factory's been around since 1988?
Yeah. Yeah, cool. It wasn't like popping over to Sbarro for dinner. What is that? I love Sbarro's too. What's that? The pizza.
Yeah. Yeah, cool. It wasn't like popping over to Sbarro for dinner. What is that? I love Sbarro's too. What's that? The pizza.
Can you imagine that corporate meeting where they were talking about how to design this?
Can you imagine that corporate meeting where they were talking about how to design this?
And the CEO being like, I just think this Egyptian style looks really cool. So it would have been a PowerPoint presentation. Would have probably been mostly white people sitting in this room.
And the CEO being like, I just think this Egyptian style looks really cool. So it would have been a PowerPoint presentation. Would have probably been mostly white people sitting in this room.
They don't do it in an offensive way, I don't think, either. No. It's offensive from a design aesthetic. From an aesthetic point of view, it's nasty. From a cultural standpoint, it's, I don't think, offensive.
They don't do it in an offensive way, I don't think, either. No. It's offensive from a design aesthetic. From an aesthetic point of view, it's nasty. From a cultural standpoint, it's, I don't think, offensive.
They also have so many options of cheesecake.
They also have so many options of cheesecake.
I mean, this sounds like a challenge, David.
I mean, this sounds like a challenge, David.
We should find out how many there are. And just like one a week. One a week. You can have half a slice of cheesecake.
We should find out how many there are. And just like one a week. One a week. You can have half a slice of cheesecake.
And you can try every single flavor. It's not that much of a crazy idea. If that's your dessert for the week...
And you can try every single flavor. It's not that much of a crazy idea. If that's your dessert for the week...
When I have a slice, even like last week, I have like a third and then a third. It lasts for a while. You pour it back in the fridge? Yeah. Yeah.
When I have a slice, even like last week, I have like a third and then a third. It lasts for a while. You pour it back in the fridge? Yeah. Yeah.
Do you let it thaw or you eat it frozen?
Do you let it thaw or you eat it frozen?
I don't know. So yeah, like Woodfield Mall, it's a really big mall in Schaumburg, Illinois. I think it's one of the biggest in the country at least 20 years ago. Okay. It was one of the biggest in the country under a single roof.
I don't know. So yeah, like Woodfield Mall, it's a really big mall in Schaumburg, Illinois. I think it's one of the biggest in the country at least 20 years ago. Okay. It was one of the biggest in the country under a single roof.
The idea of that original 700-square-foot shop... It's amazing. Yeah. But that's enough. And then the dream of then, let's make this bigger and bigger and bigger, and then franchise, and then... Quality probably starts to degrade. I like their cheesecake, but I bet those cheesecakes out of her basement were incredible. Would have been exquisite.
The idea of that original 700-square-foot shop... It's amazing. Yeah. But that's enough. And then the dream of then, let's make this bigger and bigger and bigger, and then franchise, and then... Quality probably starts to degrade. I like their cheesecake, but I bet those cheesecakes out of her basement were incredible. Would have been exquisite.
Is that sort of like, do you know where that... I think that's a very American thing. I mean, we did it with this podcast. I guess so. Let's go on video. Let's go do live shows. Let's go video. Let's do live shows. Let's not be content with what it is.
Is that sort of like, do you know where that... I think that's a very American thing. I mean, we did it with this podcast. I guess so. Let's go on video. Let's go do live shows. Let's go video. Let's do live shows. Let's not be content with what it is.
And its ambition. It's just interesting how the mindset changes when it starts here. Even as just like...
And its ambition. It's just interesting how the mindset changes when it starts here. Even as just like...
Multi-leveled, but also very large. I'm sure it's changed. I'm sure they've built bigger ones. And like Mall of America was, I think they had like, they had weird like carrots next to like largest malls. with like these stipulations that made it. You mean like a decorative carrot, like a statue? No, just like a, a stipulation on what made it the largest mall. Okay. I see. Did you say carrot?
Multi-leveled, but also very large. I'm sure it's changed. I'm sure they've built bigger ones. And like Mall of America was, I think they had like, they had weird like carrots next to like largest malls. with like these stipulations that made it. You mean like a decorative carrot, like a statue? No, just like a, a stipulation on what made it the largest mall. Okay. I see. Did you say carrot?
OD'd while playing Russian roulette?
OD'd while playing Russian roulette?
I feel like there's some clickbaitiness to this headline. Just a little bit. But we'll see where this goes.
I feel like there's some clickbaitiness to this headline. Just a little bit. But we'll see where this goes.
Oh, now she's seeing the man. It wasn't a potential sooner? Yeah, it's changed now.
Oh, now she's seeing the man. It wasn't a potential sooner? Yeah, it's changed now.
I do remember the Cheesecake Factory being one of the first places that I remember seeing the calories next to a meal.
I do remember the Cheesecake Factory being one of the first places that I remember seeing the calories next to a meal.
It might have been a legal thing.
It might have been a legal thing.
Well, I think they've, haven't they made that?
Well, I think they've, haven't they made that?
I did. Or like an, an asterisk. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah. I understand. Yeah. I got very confused for a second. A footnote on it. Carrot's probably not.
I did. Or like an, an asterisk. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah. I understand. Yeah. I got very confused for a second. A footnote on it. Carrot's probably not.
I'm surprised only one of the three was cheesecake.
I'm surprised only one of the three was cheesecake.
At that time, I would say P.F. Chang's and Cheesecake Factory would be towards the top. Okay, cool. And then Texas State Brazil would have been like the number one.
At that time, I would say P.F. Chang's and Cheesecake Factory would be towards the top. Okay, cool. And then Texas State Brazil would have been like the number one.
You didn't have to wait for a stall.
You didn't have to wait for a stall.
Are you thinking you'll go back anytime soon?
Are you thinking you'll go back anytime soon?
If there was one really close to us, I feel like that challenge would be a little more attainable. It's a little easier. Just that it's hard to get to that one.
If there was one really close to us, I feel like that challenge would be a little more attainable. It's a little easier. Just that it's hard to get to that one.
But so like the restaurants there, there was the Olive Garden. P.F. Chang's? P.F. Chang's. Okay. There was Sbarro. There was Cheesecake Factory. There was a Texas Day Brazil, which was like the nicest place at the mall because it was also like $75 a person. Right. It's an expensive restaurant. It's a Brazilian steakhouse.
But so like the restaurants there, there was the Olive Garden. P.F. Chang's? P.F. Chang's. Okay. There was Sbarro. There was Cheesecake Factory. There was a Texas Day Brazil, which was like the nicest place at the mall because it was also like $75 a person. Right. It's an expensive restaurant. It's a Brazilian steakhouse.
Is this sweet? I thought it was savory. It's not sweet.
Is this sweet? I thought it was savory. It's not sweet.
It's sweet and savory. What kind of a... It's a beautiful fusion.
It's sweet and savory. What kind of a... It's a beautiful fusion.
This on a cinnamon sugar donut, is this going to taste weird? I've never tried it. Because I've had a sprinkled frosting donut. I don't... A savory paste. Have a sniff of Vegemite and see what you think.
This on a cinnamon sugar donut, is this going to taste weird? I've never tried it. Because I've had a sprinkled frosting donut. I don't... A savory paste. Have a sniff of Vegemite and see what you think.
All right. It's kind of like... It's a little fudgy smelling. Okay.
All right. It's kind of like... It's a little fudgy smelling. Okay.
I can see there's... You're one of those people that doesn't clean his... We don't need to get into my... Clean his spoon or knife before dipping it in another shot.
I can see there's... You're one of those people that doesn't clean his... We don't need to get into my... Clean his spoon or knife before dipping it in another shot.
I'm not taking that much. Is that enough? That's good.
I'm not taking that much. Is that enough? That's good.
I would not have a spoonful of that ever again.
I would not have a spoonful of that ever again.
It's very potent. It's potent. It's a very strong flavor. Yeah. That was too much. It was too much. And to be clear... And I thought it was not enough.
It's very potent. It's potent. It's a very strong flavor. Yeah. That was too much. It was too much. And to be clear... And I thought it was not enough.
That was the blimp episode because people knew what you were going to do with it.
That was the blimp episode because people knew what you were going to do with it.
No, you bought Vaseline to make it not embarrassing.
No, you bought Vaseline to make it not embarrassing.
Do you not know about Texas Day Brazil?
Do you not know about Texas Day Brazil?
Me too. I hope that for both of you.
Me too. I hope that for both of you.
I had only gone there once. It was like the rich people in the area would go there.
I had only gone there once. It was like the rich people in the area would go there.
That's wild that that show was 20 years ago, too.
That's wild that that show was 20 years ago, too.
It's like 2005. I guess it's about right.
It's like 2005. I guess it's about right.
Yeah. And like the bullshit Google AI stuff that is more and more wrong. Quite wrong. Yeah.
Yeah. And like the bullshit Google AI stuff that is more and more wrong. Quite wrong. Yeah.
I was searching if someone was in a movie or not, because it wasn't on the IMDb. And it made up in the AI that this person was in the movie.
I was searching if someone was in a movie or not, because it wasn't on the IMDb. And it made up in the AI that this person was in the movie.
So you have a coaster on the table. One side's red, one side's green.
So you have a coaster on the table. One side's red, one side's green.
it was the music they were listening to. They were just a fan of the band.
it was the music they were listening to. They were just a fan of the band.
Uh, I mean, probably, I don't know what the distinct.
Uh, I mean, probably, I don't know what the distinct.
And you turn it over whether or not you want more meat served to you. And then they have like a giant salad bar that you can eat. But it's just like chefs coming with giant... preparations of meat that they're slicing off on your plate. In front of you. Yes, if you have your card turned the right way. Incredible.
And you turn it over whether or not you want more meat served to you. And then they have like a giant salad bar that you can eat. But it's just like chefs coming with giant... preparations of meat that they're slicing off on your plate. In front of you. Yes, if you have your card turned the right way. Incredible.
Getting called out for being like a nerdy, awkward kid.
Getting called out for being like a nerdy, awkward kid.
I'm sure we missed something vital.
I'm sure we missed something vital.
Yeah, it seems smarter than the episode that we've put together.
Yeah, it seems smarter than the episode that we've put together.
But it was a Brazilian steakhouse, so... Yeah, Brazil, but done in an American way. Yeah.
But it was a Brazilian steakhouse, so... Yeah, Brazil, but done in an American way. Yeah.
Which, though, may be how the Brazilians do it. I don't know if that was... We will find out in the episode about that particular establishment.
Which, though, may be how the Brazilians do it. I don't know if that was... We will find out in the episode about that particular establishment.
Oh, there was also Rainforest Cafe.
Oh, there was also Rainforest Cafe.
Yeah, it's an experience. Because P.F.
Yeah, it's an experience. Because P.F.
I don't remember doing it a whole lot. Okay. I did have a friend, though. He was a little bit older. His name was Mikey. Sounds like trouble. He was. He would... You would... If you go to Woodfield with him, because he grew up in Schaumburg too, he would go through the dumpster entrance where the employees were and go the back hallways of the mall. This is baller as hell. Yeah.
I don't remember doing it a whole lot. Okay. I did have a friend, though. He was a little bit older. His name was Mikey. Sounds like trouble. He was. He would... You would... If you go to Woodfield with him, because he grew up in Schaumburg too, he would go through the dumpster entrance where the employees were and go the back hallways of the mall. This is baller as hell. Yeah.
Well, you just stroll in the place and no one like... No. Incredible. So there were a few times I went with him where it was... Mikey, king of them all.
Well, you just stroll in the place and no one like... No. Incredible. So there were a few times I went with him where it was... Mikey, king of them all.
Came out like a side door on the third level.
Came out like a side door on the third level.
With all that said... Do you think it was, like, down the pee hole?
With all that said... Do you think it was, like, down the pee hole?
These are pretty great pranks. Should I start doing some in the flightless bird office? Hypodermic needles. I'm just curious as to how that prank plays out.
These are pretty great pranks. Should I start doing some in the flightless bird office? Hypodermic needles. I'm just curious as to how that prank plays out.
I mean, on a related note, let's listen to us eating at Cheesecake Factory.
I mean, on a related note, let's listen to us eating at Cheesecake Factory.
This is your first Cheesecake Factory experience?
This is your first Cheesecake Factory experience?
Yeah. I mean, they do a pretty good job. This is what the one in Chicago feels like, too, in the suburbs.
Yeah. I mean, they do a pretty good job. This is what the one in Chicago feels like, too, in the suburbs.
In California, I've probably been about three times. For a long time, my birthday cake was a red velvet cheesecake from Cheesecake Factory.
In California, I've probably been about three times. For a long time, my birthday cake was a red velvet cheesecake from Cheesecake Factory.
Yeah. The one I went to is at Woodfield Mall in Schaumburg that I went to all the time. But being in the suburbs, you're a little more handcuffed to chain food. So, but this was like the nice place if you wanted, if there's a special occasion. I can hear part of you too. That's us. It's happening. Hello. Hello.
Yeah. The one I went to is at Woodfield Mall in Schaumburg that I went to all the time. But being in the suburbs, you're a little more handcuffed to chain food. So, but this was like the nice place if you wanted, if there's a special occasion. I can hear part of you too. That's us. It's happening. Hello. Hello.
I don't know if you know this, but the other thing about Cheesecake Factory that it's known for is they have a ridiculously massive menu. I actually remember getting anxiety having to go through this entire menu and figure out what to eat.
I don't know if you know this, but the other thing about Cheesecake Factory that it's known for is they have a ridiculously massive menu. I actually remember getting anxiety having to go through this entire menu and figure out what to eat.
19 pages. I remember many times just going through this, not retaining what I'm reading, and just...
19 pages. I remember many times just going through this, not retaining what I'm reading, and just...
flipping through these pages they have cheeseburger spring rolls followed by mozzarella sticks and then crab wontons yeah they offer everything for food i mean i really just came here for the cheesecake hello how are we doing today we're good it's my first trip here so i'm documenting it for old time's sake i'm gonna i think i'm gonna get a root beer i think yeah
flipping through these pages they have cheeseburger spring rolls followed by mozzarella sticks and then crab wontons yeah they offer everything for food i mean i really just came here for the cheesecake hello how are we doing today we're good it's my first trip here so i'm documenting it for old time's sake i'm gonna i think i'm gonna get a root beer i think yeah
I guess I'll do a root beer too, and a water.
I guess I'll do a root beer too, and a water.
I might go old school and I used to order the factory nachos. Might do some nachos today. How much cheesecake do you anticipate on eating? Because we might want to plan our meal based on how much cheesecake we want to add to the mix.
I might go old school and I used to order the factory nachos. Might do some nachos today. How much cheesecake do you anticipate on eating? Because we might want to plan our meal based on how much cheesecake we want to add to the mix.
Yeah, yeah. I can see that. I just feel like it used to feel more infinite. Yeah. Where I used to spend a lot more time. We'd be like, all right, what do we want to watch tonight? It'd be Friday night. An hour later. An hour later, it's like, all right, I guess we don't have time to watch a movie because we spent an hour.
Yeah, yeah. I can see that. I just feel like it used to feel more infinite. Yeah. Where I used to spend a lot more time. We'd be like, all right, what do we want to watch tonight? It'd be Friday night. An hour later. An hour later, it's like, all right, I guess we don't have time to watch a movie because we spent an hour.
But I think that is so reminiscent of wandering a blockbuster and being like, all right, what are we going to watch tonight?
But I think that is so reminiscent of wandering a blockbuster and being like, all right, what are we going to watch tonight?
But I do think how infinite it feels is a thing. For a long time, even with my music, I was a holdout on having an iPod Classic. Because I was like, I want my catalog of music because I want to be able to scroll through my music.
But I do think how infinite it feels is a thing. For a long time, even with my music, I was a holdout on having an iPod Classic. Because I was like, I want my catalog of music because I want to be able to scroll through my music.
I just wanted like, here's my catalog of music. I understand. Versus like, here's this infinite abyss.
I just wanted like, here's my catalog of music. I understand. Versus like, here's this infinite abyss.
And when I started driving, I remember having a car with a cassette player. Amazing. It was important only because I had the cassette tape adapter that would plug in.
And when I started driving, I remember having a car with a cassette player. Amazing. It was important only because I had the cassette tape adapter that would plug in.
that's right to my ipod and before like line in was a thing like you couldn't do that the cd we're dating ourselves there are kids listening to this going like what are you talking about yeah that was wild having a cassette tape that then had the adapter i remember that but that was very important when i when i was a kid and i was like i i just want a car that will have a cassette i don't want a cd player that's so funny you can't play my ipod classic
that's right to my ipod and before like line in was a thing like you couldn't do that the cd we're dating ourselves there are kids listening to this going like what are you talking about yeah that was wild having a cassette tape that then had the adapter i remember that but that was very important when i when i was a kid and i was like i i just want a car that will have a cassette i don't want a cd player that's so funny you can't play my ipod classic
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Yeah, most of the time you're probably fine. But what if one day you come out of the bathroom and your laptop's gone, David? It's not good.
Yeah, it doesn't take much technical knowledge to hack someone. Just some cheap hardware is needed. A smart 12-year-old could probably do it.
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Well, I mean, and the best part about airplane movies was they had stuff that was like still in theaters or like had just left the theaters. It was exciting. I still get excited on a plane. But that's still like what streamers are now. You can go rent something that's still in theaters for $20 now.
Well, I mean, and the best part about airplane movies was they had stuff that was like still in theaters or like had just left the theaters. It was exciting. I still get excited on a plane. But that's still like what streamers are now. You can go rent something that's still in theaters for $20 now.
I feel ripped off, but then I try to convince myself that like, all right, if two of us are watching, that's the same cost as if we went... Yeah, you're dividing it up into like a cinema vibe. But then it's like $5 more and you can own it.
I feel ripped off, but then I try to convince myself that like, all right, if two of us are watching, that's the same cost as if we went... Yeah, you're dividing it up into like a cinema vibe. But then it's like $5 more and you can own it.
Like they have just the right amount where I'm just like, oh, I guess if we don't finish it tonight, I can spend a five extra dollars, but now I own a bunch of movies I don't want on my Apple phone.
Like they have just the right amount where I'm just like, oh, I guess if we don't finish it tonight, I can spend a five extra dollars, but now I own a bunch of movies I don't want on my Apple phone.
So, Blockbuster, did they have rewind policies? Be kind, rewind.
So, Blockbuster, did they have rewind policies? Be kind, rewind.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was a fine... Early blockbuster days, if you brought back a movie and didn't rewind it. Even though they just, like, behind there, they had all the rewinders. Yeah, totally. Which the fact that that was a thing, like, a rewinder for VHS that just was a staple next to a TV.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was a fine... Early blockbuster days, if you brought back a movie and didn't rewind it. Even though they just, like, behind there, they had all the rewinders. Yeah, totally. Which the fact that that was a thing, like, a rewinder for VHS that just was a staple next to a TV.
Yeah. And then they had, there was a period where they did guaranteed in stock movies. What is that? Where if it was a new release during a certain window, they'd guarantee that they would have a copy that you could rent. And if not, you got it for free or for 99 cents whenever they did come back in stock.
Yeah. And then they had, there was a period where they did guaranteed in stock movies. What is that? Where if it was a new release during a certain window, they'd guarantee that they would have a copy that you could rent. And if not, you got it for free or for 99 cents whenever they did come back in stock.
But you wanted to see it. When a new release came out, it was a big deal.
But you wanted to see it. When a new release came out, it was a big deal.
I feel like Blockbuster's marketing and gimmick game was much better than a lot of businesses these days too. All of these kind of aspects of it. Yeah, guaranteed in stock. I remember these, and they were the movie pass.
I feel like Blockbuster's marketing and gimmick game was much better than a lot of businesses these days too. All of these kind of aspects of it. Yeah, guaranteed in stock. I remember these, and they were the movie pass.
It was similar to the theater movie pass, but where it was, yeah, you could rent a movie a day.
It was similar to the theater movie pass, but where it was, yeah, you could rent a movie a day.
yeah there was like a Hollywood video I think was the other one but yeah it got eaten by Blockbuster pretty quickly I think like out in the suburbs of Chicago it was those two for a bit and then like just Blockbuster was it
yeah there was like a Hollywood video I think was the other one but yeah it got eaten by Blockbuster pretty quickly I think like out in the suburbs of Chicago it was those two for a bit and then like just Blockbuster was it
So many times, Dean and I, the sun coming up, and we're still playing video games the next morning.
So many times, Dean and I, the sun coming up, and we're still playing video games the next morning.
I wonder if... It's so fun. Too much of a tangent. But those games feel less... They feel more like intentional dopamine hits that are like trying to get kids addicted to them versus like... Yeah, no, totally.
I wonder if... It's so fun. Too much of a tangent. But those games feel less... They feel more like intentional dopamine hits that are like trying to get kids addicted to them versus like... Yeah, no, totally.
Gamification of all of it versus like Nintendo 64 007.
Gamification of all of it versus like Nintendo 64 007.
Being Oddjob, hiding in the little vent, looking for the golden gun.
Being Oddjob, hiding in the little vent, looking for the golden gun.
But, I mean, Goldeneye, I remember renting that from Blockbuster. Yeah, totally. And it was in the little gold. They changed the color of that one.
But, I mean, Goldeneye, I remember renting that from Blockbuster. Yeah, totally. And it was in the little gold. They changed the color of that one.
Skipping at like the time And it was just like Fuming about it And having to bring it back This is damaged That was a huge thing But they had the machines that they would clean them Where they just had the like Disinfectant solution And I remember I can smell that I forgot all about the cleaning, the DVD cleaning.
Skipping at like the time And it was just like Fuming about it And having to bring it back This is damaged That was a huge thing But they had the machines that they would clean them Where they just had the like Disinfectant solution And I remember I can smell that I forgot all about the cleaning, the DVD cleaning.
Yeah, I haven't been that size full of DVDs in my garage. Yeah. I don't have a DVD player currently, though. No, but you never know. I think you can probably go online and buy one for $15. Oh, you absolutely can.
Yeah, I haven't been that size full of DVDs in my garage. Yeah. I don't have a DVD player currently, though. No, but you never know. I think you can probably go online and buy one for $15. Oh, you absolutely can.
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Yeah, I remember there was a period as they were all shutting down. We had one really close to our house growing up.
Yeah, I remember there was a period as they were all shutting down. We had one really close to our house growing up.
Walk down to it, and then that one closed, moved to another location, then that one closed, and... Did it all feel like it was happening quickly?
Walk down to it, and then that one closed, moved to another location, then that one closed, and... Did it all feel like it was happening quickly?
It was years and years of it happening. But I think the last one I went to, I went and they had, like, the dollar DVD bin. And I just bought a ton of DVDs that I can no longer play. I still have them, though.
It was years and years of it happening. But I think the last one I went to, I went and they had, like, the dollar DVD bin. And I just bought a ton of DVDs that I can no longer play. I still have them, though.
Yeah, me too. Just the weekends wandering around browsing.
Yeah, me too. Just the weekends wandering around browsing.
It's like carpet and VHS. I don't know. I think it's maybe the plastic from the cases.
It's like carpet and VHS. I don't know. I think it's maybe the plastic from the cases.
There were... So many like vivid memories I had that I had forgotten about.
There were... So many like vivid memories I had that I had forgotten about.
Do you think people just got Australia and New Zealand confused?
Do you think people just got Australia and New Zealand confused?
Well, so they were second to last. No, that's what I'm saying. Not even like before. Okay. No, yeah.
Well, so they were second to last. No, that's what I'm saying. Not even like before. Okay. No, yeah.
Well, they could have still been a Blockbuster. The movie theater I worked at was Century Theaters, but Cinemark bought it. Yeah. But it still had Century Theaters up for a while. I don't know if they ever changed it.
Well, they could have still been a Blockbuster. The movie theater I worked at was Century Theaters, but Cinemark bought it. Yeah. But it still had Century Theaters up for a while. I don't know if they ever changed it.
No. They're losing... Oh, they're losing the big Lord of the Rings? They're getting rid of all the Lord of the Rings.
No. They're losing... Oh, they're losing the big Lord of the Rings? They're getting rid of all the Lord of the Rings.
I feel like that was 40% of the reason why I was... Kind of willing to go, and now that that's not there... Oh my god.
I feel like that was 40% of the reason why I was... Kind of willing to go, and now that that's not there... Oh my god.
Seeing the new releases coming out and the dates, that brought back a lot of memories of like, ooh, this is what's coming in the next couple weeks.
Seeing the new releases coming out and the dates, that brought back a lot of memories of like, ooh, this is what's coming in the next couple weeks.
I think what we've lost a lot without... this kind of uh high traffic video rental is just how much um cover art really mattered for movies like i get we still have movie posters and billboards and whatnot but that's not the main cell no the design of a movie cover was so important
I think what we've lost a lot without... this kind of uh high traffic video rental is just how much um cover art really mattered for movies like i get we still have movie posters and billboards and whatnot but that's not the main cell no the design of a movie cover was so important
Yeah. There was just, yeah, like a good cover could make or break a movie. But then there was also the other thing where you would see the same kind of style recycled through designs. Yeah.
Yeah. There was just, yeah, like a good cover could make or break a movie. But then there was also the other thing where you would see the same kind of style recycled through designs. Yeah.
Yeah, and then there was a thing that used to drive me nuts that I think started at Blockbuster and then continued to movie posters at the theater. This is your version of Grinds My Gears. Yeah, Grinds My Gears. When you have the people in the movie... on the cover, and then the names are at the top. But the names are wrong based on the order that they're appearing. That is such a funny nip.
Yeah, and then there was a thing that used to drive me nuts that I think started at Blockbuster and then continued to movie posters at the theater. This is your version of Grinds My Gears. Yeah, Grinds My Gears. When you have the people in the movie... on the cover, and then the names are at the top. But the names are wrong based on the order that they're appearing. That is such a funny nip.
I know exactly what you're saying. You've got Sandra Bullock and Keanu Reeves, but Keanu Reeves is billed first. Just flip the cover art then at that point. But don't put Sandra Bullock above Keanu Reeves' face.
I know exactly what you're saying. You've got Sandra Bullock and Keanu Reeves, but Keanu Reeves is billed first. Just flip the cover art then at that point. But don't put Sandra Bullock above Keanu Reeves' face.
It's literally like... Here's two faces on the cover of this, and the names are switched because one is... I'm assuming the reason for it is one is contractually obligated to be first on the call sheet?
It's literally like... Here's two faces on the cover of this, and the names are switched because one is... I'm assuming the reason for it is one is contractually obligated to be first on the call sheet?
The other thing that streamers, I think, do now, even on Netflix, have you ever noticed, maybe not since you don't have a partner. Oh, burn. What do you know? Maybe I do. Maybe they're secret. My account for movies looks different than Natalie's. The cover art changes based on the viewer. Yeah, interesting. They'll be like A-B testing stuff. And like, there'll be a still that's totally different.
The other thing that streamers, I think, do now, even on Netflix, have you ever noticed, maybe not since you don't have a partner. Oh, burn. What do you know? Maybe I do. Maybe they're secret. My account for movies looks different than Natalie's. The cover art changes based on the viewer. Yeah, interesting. They'll be like A-B testing stuff. And like, there'll be a still that's totally different.
What did you think it was going to look like? Or what was your reference for what it was going to look like?
What did you think it was going to look like? Or what was your reference for what it was going to look like?
I think I was arguing semantics that like it exists somewhere, whether it's like in a vault at Netflix or,
I think I was arguing semantics that like it exists somewhere, whether it's like in a vault at Netflix or,
Yeah, the vault's no good Or someone made a torrented copy Made a torrent copy of it Or did a bootleg on YouTube Yeah, God bless torrents As a backup That was a very Rob argument Arguing annoying semantics I will say I have since heard of an example Of that show Made for Love On HBO It's just gone You can't watch it anywhere now No, exactly. It's vanished. It's just gone, yeah.
Yeah, the vault's no good Or someone made a torrented copy Made a torrent copy of it Or did a bootleg on YouTube Yeah, God bless torrents As a backup That was a very Rob argument Arguing annoying semantics I will say I have since heard of an example Of that show Made for Love On HBO It's just gone You can't watch it anywhere now No, exactly. It's vanished. It's just gone, yeah.
Yeah, which I think they're making less and less. I doubt, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't know. You can get Fleabag on DVD or Blu-ray right now.
Yeah, which I think they're making less and less. I doubt, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't know. You can get Fleabag on DVD or Blu-ray right now.
But then I do also start to think you start walking a fine line of becoming a content hoarder. You say that like it's a bad thing. Yeah. Where it's like, I need physical backups of everything. That's the way my brain goes. I think it makes sense for, like, have a copy of Dark Tourist somewhere.
But then I do also start to think you start walking a fine line of becoming a content hoarder. You say that like it's a bad thing. Yeah. Where it's like, I need physical backups of everything. That's the way my brain goes. I think it makes sense for, like, have a copy of Dark Tourist somewhere.
I don't mind you having that either. I'm just saying, like, if you were to buy a physical copy of every show you enjoy, because you're like, I'm afraid that this is going to get taken off streamer. Like, Baby Reindeer, I gotta go grab that on DVD.
I don't mind you having that either. I'm just saying, like, if you were to buy a physical copy of every show you enjoy, because you're like, I'm afraid that this is going to get taken off streamer. Like, Baby Reindeer, I gotta go grab that on DVD.
Yeah. And just space for it, and from an environmental standpoint, it's probably better not to have physical copies of everything.
Yeah. And just space for it, and from an environmental standpoint, it's probably better not to have physical copies of everything.
It's crazy Wasn't there another recent thing censored? Nathan Fielder And The Summit Ice Of course
It's crazy Wasn't there another recent thing censored? Nathan Fielder And The Summit Ice Of course
I don't blame you. I'm just asking the question of when does it become too much? And how much are you going to suffer in the future if you don't have a copy of Armageddon to watch? Can you tell me the last time you watched Armageddon?
I don't blame you. I'm just asking the question of when does it become too much? And how much are you going to suffer in the future if you don't have a copy of Armageddon to watch? Can you tell me the last time you watched Armageddon?
Do you know what I mean? I do, but I can contradict myself now. Yeah, go for it. Because I buy vinyl records a lot. I don't know why that's different. I don't see that there's an inherent quality difference between a CD-ROM and a streaming record.
Do you know what I mean? I do, but I can contradict myself now. Yeah, go for it. Because I buy vinyl records a lot. I don't know why that's different. I don't see that there's an inherent quality difference between a CD-ROM and a streaming record.
version but i get that like film versus film in a theater feels different to me than a digital episode and seeing like a little splice mark it looks different in the corner and like the dirty film and some of the scratches watching that oh my god giant film 70 mil film amazing like i can appreciate that um and same with like a vinyl record i I like how that sounds versus a CD. Totally.
version but i get that like film versus film in a theater feels different to me than a digital episode and seeing like a little splice mark it looks different in the corner and like the dirty film and some of the scratches watching that oh my god giant film 70 mil film amazing like i can appreciate that um and same with like a vinyl record i I like how that sounds versus a CD. Totally.
But I don't know that a Blu-ray or a DVD, I like the quality any better than a 4K version.
But I don't know that a Blu-ray or a DVD, I like the quality any better than a 4K version.
I do remember that being a thing where you had the stereo version of it when you would plug in a DVD. Yeah. And feeling that. Yeah. And the voices off in that speaker. The days of having a surround sound system with speakers that's not just a Sonos bar on your TV.
I do remember that being a thing where you had the stereo version of it when you would plug in a DVD. Yeah. And feeling that. Yeah. And the voices off in that speaker. The days of having a surround sound system with speakers that's not just a Sonos bar on your TV.
I think they were all just weird off-brand candies, so I don't recall.
I think they were all just weird off-brand candies, so I don't recall.
And a lot of vinyl purchasing for me is more to support indie artists. I go to a show, I want to buy a record to support the band. That's a good argument. And same with buying it. And I'm buying it either directly from an artist or I'm not buying the vinyl from Best Buy.
And a lot of vinyl purchasing for me is more to support indie artists. I go to a show, I want to buy a record to support the band. That's a good argument. And same with buying it. And I'm buying it either directly from an artist or I'm not buying the vinyl from Best Buy.
I do remember seeing that. But I think you had to be a Bend resident.
I do remember seeing that. But I think you had to be a Bend resident.
Well, they had that little station set up there too, or I think... Yeah, there's like a little couch area right over there. That they recreated there that I feel like they said you could... Didn't they say you could... No.
Well, they had that little station set up there too, or I think... Yeah, there's like a little couch area right over there. That they recreated there that I feel like they said you could... Didn't they say you could... No.
Yeah, like you would get it from Pat's Pantry, which was just this convenience store down the street, or White Hen.
Yeah, like you would get it from Pat's Pantry, which was just this convenience store down the street, or White Hen.
Also, you could have saved on Post-it if you just mailed it to them directly.
Also, you could have saved on Post-it if you just mailed it to them directly.
That there was not a bunch of emo kids coming after us for misrepresenting the genre or missing things.
That there was not a bunch of emo kids coming after us for misrepresenting the genre or missing things.
White Hen was another convenience store that no longer exists, like 7-Eleven.
White Hen was another convenience store that no longer exists, like 7-Eleven.
It was a special community that still is thriving.
It was a special community that still is thriving.
It was an old news story, I think just had footage of them, and they were, so I don't even think you mentioned it.
It was an old news story, I think just had footage of them, and they were, so I don't even think you mentioned it.
That was more like when you're playing baseball. Oh, you're chewing at the... You chew on that. Yeah. What do you call them at the... Sunflower seeds. Sunflower seeds. At the bases.
That was more like when you're playing baseball. Oh, you're chewing at the... You chew on that. Yeah. What do you call them at the... Sunflower seeds. Sunflower seeds. At the bases.
Well, because that's what a lot of baseball players, they would dip. Right. That's the thing. So when you were a kid, it was just kids like... Okay.
Well, because that's what a lot of baseball players, they would dip. Right. That's the thing. So when you were a kid, it was just kids like... Okay.
That's the fun thing So many of these bands are touring again Like Spill Canvas is coming through LA in September I hadn't even thought about that They're all doing like 20 year tours You're rambling on about bands that have like gone I mean a bunch of them A bunch of them have But a bunch of them are doing Well a bunch of them had been gone too And are now Touring like on anniversaries Of these albums Kind of a perfectly timed episode
That's the fun thing So many of these bands are touring again Like Spill Canvas is coming through LA in September I hadn't even thought about that They're all doing like 20 year tours You're rambling on about bands that have like gone I mean a bunch of them A bunch of them have But a bunch of them are doing Well a bunch of them had been gone too And are now Touring like on anniversaries Of these albums Kind of a perfectly timed episode
Yeah. A bunch of people had asked. They wanted to see some of the shirts that was designed. Oh, my God. I have a bin of a bunch of old band shirts.
Yeah. A bunch of people had asked. They wanted to see some of the shirts that was designed. Oh, my God. I have a bin of a bunch of old band shirts.
Yeah, I couldn't find any of the old, like, Fall Out Boy ones, but I did have... Like this was a scary kids, scaring kids. Oh, dude. Shirt.
Yeah, I couldn't find any of the old, like, Fall Out Boy ones, but I did have... Like this was a scary kids, scaring kids. Oh, dude. Shirt.
And a lot of these are just drawings. Yeah. I had a clothing line called Apparition Industries. Dude, that's dope as hell. When was this happening? This was end of high school. Okay. But then I had a bunch of designers from different bands also designing shirts. It was like a design company. Amazing. Let's see. This was band Small Towns burn a little slower.
And a lot of these are just drawings. Yeah. I had a clothing line called Apparition Industries. Dude, that's dope as hell. When was this happening? This was end of high school. Okay. But then I had a bunch of designers from different bands also designing shirts. It was like a design company. Amazing. Let's see. This was band Small Towns burn a little slower.
Was it fresh, or was it like... No, they just had their own brand of microwave popcorn. So just microwave.
Was it fresh, or was it like... No, they just had their own brand of microwave popcorn. So just microwave.
This was a band I toured with called Wax on Radio.
This was a band I toured with called Wax on Radio.
And then this was another apparition. I remember drawing this. It's a Beelzebub going down this man's... Broke and out of the pocket.
And then this was another apparition. I remember drawing this. It's a Beelzebub going down this man's... Broke and out of the pocket.
I did forget the different printing was a big thing of that scene. The side of the shirt. I see. Not just on the front. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I did forget the different printing was a big thing of that scene. The side of the shirt. I see. Not just on the front. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's a couple that I could find. And we had our own tags. You can see sewn into the... Put these up on eBay. My favorite shirt we did with Apparition, we had... There's this band, Dr. Manhattan. And we made these shirts. My friend that I did it with, his sister was like a fashion student.
Yeah, that's a couple that I could find. And we had our own tags. You can see sewn into the... Put these up on eBay. My favorite shirt we did with Apparition, we had... There's this band, Dr. Manhattan. And we made these shirts. My friend that I did it with, his sister was like a fashion student.
And we made these shirts that had a giant pocket that was a giant functional pocket with the design printed on it. Alright, so the whole front of the thing was a big pocket. Yeah.
And we made these shirts that had a giant pocket that was a giant functional pocket with the design printed on it. Alright, so the whole front of the thing was a big pocket. Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like it was a different lifetime. Different lifetime.
Yeah, I feel like it was a different lifetime. Different lifetime.
And then being able to collaborate with different artists. Yeah, totally. Yeah.
And then being able to collaborate with different artists. Yeah, totally. Yeah.
What if I told you Blockbuster was where you rent movies?
What if I told you Blockbuster was where you rent movies?
I just showed you a picture of the inside. Do you want to describe to me what you're looking at?
I just showed you a picture of the inside. Do you want to describe to me what you're looking at?
It was basically a ski lodge. Like it was a very active ski lodge.
It was basically a ski lodge. Like it was a very active ski lodge.
And then you just targeted any of the like dorkier looking people that were like, oh, this person can't ski. And then went up to them and asked if they were here for the Shining. Yeah. And I was right. To your credit, you were right.
And then you just targeted any of the like dorkier looking people that were like, oh, this person can't ski. And then went up to them and asked if they were here for the Shining. Yeah. And I was right. To your credit, you were right.
It's just who's not in snow pants. That helps. It helps.
It's just who's not in snow pants. That helps. It helps.
Which I forgot I had gone there with my dad. a couple years ago oh so you went there but you had no idea it was the shining location no i i remember now yeah that i think we did find that out yeah right um but we just went there for like lunch what was the lunch like Scary? Couldn't tell you. Yeah. The whole thing not very memorable. Not super memorable.
Which I forgot I had gone there with my dad. a couple years ago oh so you went there but you had no idea it was the shining location no i i remember now yeah that i think we did find that out yeah right um but we just went there for like lunch what was the lunch like Scary? Couldn't tell you. Yeah. The whole thing not very memorable. Not super memorable.
But when we pulled out of that parking lot, I was like, I think I came here.
But when we pulled out of that parking lot, I was like, I think I came here.
Animal people are passionate. Because the parrots get a bad rep?
Animal people are passionate. Because the parrots get a bad rep?
So your video store experiences, what was that like? Was it a like hangout and browse every week?
So your video store experiences, what was that like? Was it a like hangout and browse every week?
I think it was like $2.99 for a rental when we went. We'd go every Friday. It was usually me and Dean. Which was Dean. You've met Dean. Have I met Dean? Yeah. Dean from San Diego. Oh, you were friends with him then? Yeah, I've known him since like fifth grade. That's cute. But yeah, Dean and I would go and you just... So Blockbuster, the perimeter was all the new releases.
I think it was like $2.99 for a rental when we went. We'd go every Friday. It was usually me and Dean. Which was Dean. You've met Dean. Have I met Dean? Yeah. Dean from San Diego. Oh, you were friends with him then? Yeah, I've known him since like fifth grade. That's cute. But yeah, Dean and I would go and you just... So Blockbuster, the perimeter was all the new releases.
So you'd start on one end and just walk all the way around. And then the interior aisles were all of the like...
So you'd start on one end and just walk all the way around. And then the interior aisles were all of the like...
older releases yeah right by genre yeah so then you you like all right i couldn't find anything i want there average time in there before you made your decision i would say i was about half an hour yeah i would say 30 to 45 minutes of of browsing my other key memories i got very excited about the promotional posters that they would sell for like a dollar
older releases yeah right by genre yeah so then you you like all right i couldn't find anything i want there average time in there before you made your decision i would say i was about half an hour yeah i would say 30 to 45 minutes of of browsing my other key memories i got very excited about the promotional posters that they would sell for like a dollar
Yeah. For like the employees, we just have a bin of all of the posters once they came out of the display case. You lucky bastard. Did you have them up in your room? I had so many at that point. Yeah. I just had like poster tubes.
Yeah. For like the employees, we just have a bin of all of the posters once they came out of the display case. You lucky bastard. Did you have them up in your room? I had so many at that point. Yeah. I just had like poster tubes.
Well, the best part was when I became an assistant manager at the movie theater. Yeah. And a projectionist. I got the key for the movie poster case. Oh, my God. And like one company made them, I think, for all of the theaters. Yeah. Because I'd go to an AMC and I tried the key ones and it unlocked the movie posters.
Well, the best part was when I became an assistant manager at the movie theater. Yeah. And a projectionist. I got the key for the movie poster case. Oh, my God. And like one company made them, I think, for all of the theaters. Yeah. Because I'd go to an AMC and I tried the key ones and it unlocked the movie posters.
So Blockbuster didn't get that, because I think it was more family-focused.
So Blockbuster didn't get that, because I think it was more family-focused.
When I ended up moving into the city, we had Facets, which was a video rental place, and Odd Obsession. Odd Obsession. Those had the more obscure things. Right, okay. So they had, like... They had, like, movies that were banned. They just had, like, thousands upon thousands.
When I ended up moving into the city, we had Facets, which was a video rental place, and Odd Obsession. Odd Obsession. Those had the more obscure things. Right, okay. So they had, like... They had, like, movies that were banned. They just had, like, thousands upon thousands.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. From Facets, they had a, like, program where if you were a college student, you could rent... It was, like, 20 bucks a month to have three movies out at a time. Okay. So I...
Yeah, yeah, yeah. From Facets, they had a, like, program where if you were a college student, you could rent... It was, like, 20 bucks a month to have three movies out at a time. Okay. So I...
yeah i was just i'd watched i'd watch three movies a day oh you'd just be made yeah oh heaven um and i'd find like the weirdest stuff but that that place had the weirdest stuff where they they had like cannibal holocaust yeah famous because famously they used animals in the making of it which is awful and nothing was fake and like awful titty cut follies never heard of that it is a documentary that um
yeah i was just i'd watched i'd watch three movies a day oh you'd just be made yeah oh heaven um and i'd find like the weirdest stuff but that that place had the weirdest stuff where they they had like cannibal holocaust yeah famous because famously they used animals in the making of it which is awful and nothing was fake and like awful titty cut follies never heard of that it is a documentary that um
I think it got banned for a while about mental institution.
I think it got banned for a while about mental institution.
And there was just all this lore around it. So you're like, all right, I need to go rent this thing. And what's the most...
And there was just all this lore around it. So you're like, all right, I need to go rent this thing. And what's the most...
I will say, though, I made this realization recently. Browsing at a video rental place, I love doing that. And browsing streamers feels very similar.
I will say, though, I made this realization recently. Browsing at a video rental place, I love doing that. And browsing streamers feels very similar.
No, not necessarily that. I'll spend 30 minutes scrolling through movies. I see. I feel like it's becoming less and less now that there's so many different streaming platforms. you get through pretty much everything quicker now. Do you think on streaming services? I think unless you're on like Prime, because you can like rent almost anything on Prime.
No, not necessarily that. I'll spend 30 minutes scrolling through movies. I see. I feel like it's becoming less and less now that there's so many different streaming platforms. you get through pretty much everything quicker now. Do you think on streaming services? I think unless you're on like Prime, because you can like rent almost anything on Prime.
Glad to meet you. How are you doing? Good, good thanks. Enjoy your podcast.
Glad to meet you. How are you doing? Good, good thanks. Enjoy your podcast.
The big events are three-day retreats, and we'll go in with maybe 25 volunteers. to an audience of 35 to 45 residents and basically lead discussions on a pretty wide range of topics and get them involved. A lot of it is based on personal experience in whatever the talk may deal with. Some is forgiving yourself, forgiving others.
The big events are three-day retreats, and we'll go in with maybe 25 volunteers. to an audience of 35 to 45 residents and basically lead discussions on a pretty wide range of topics and get them involved. A lot of it is based on personal experience in whatever the talk may deal with. Some is forgiving yourself, forgiving others.
I know there's fights. I know there's, you know, sometimes there's a lockdown because of a fight that prevents us from going in. But it's not a bunch of hoodlums that are looking to do damage to anybody and everybody. And that I'd say would be the biggest misconception that people would fear that it's that. I mean, they're human beings and unbelievably candid.
I know there's fights. I know there's, you know, sometimes there's a lockdown because of a fight that prevents us from going in. But it's not a bunch of hoodlums that are looking to do damage to anybody and everybody. And that I'd say would be the biggest misconception that people would fear that it's that. I mean, they're human beings and unbelievably candid.
As you've stated, you look in a public prison. These are not great spaces. Right. And for a private company to come in and say, we're going to do this in a way that's cheaper than the public can do it. Right. Because that's the only way it makes sense as a private business is they have to be able to create some profit margin. So like they're going to have to be able to create profit.
As you've stated, you look in a public prison. These are not great spaces. Right. And for a private company to come in and say, we're going to do this in a way that's cheaper than the public can do it. Right. Because that's the only way it makes sense as a private business is they have to be able to create some profit margin. So like they're going to have to be able to create profit.
a system that runs more cheaply than what's already a very, very bare bones system. You know, so they have to figure out some way to do that. And it's hard to imagine them being able to create better physical spaces when they have this financial necessity to create a profit margin on already, you know, something that's run at a razor thin margin level.
a system that runs more cheaply than what's already a very, very bare bones system. You know, so they have to figure out some way to do that. And it's hard to imagine them being able to create better physical spaces when they have this financial necessity to create a profit margin on already, you know, something that's run at a razor thin margin level.
We're not taking the position that government has to operate everything, right? There's clearly some spaces where there's opportunities for private companies to be more flexible and change things around very quickly and innovate and all of that stuff. We have no problem when private companies are getting contracts to build roads or things of this nature.
We're not taking the position that government has to operate everything, right? There's clearly some spaces where there's opportunities for private companies to be more flexible and change things around very quickly and innovate and all of that stuff. We have no problem when private companies are getting contracts to build roads or things of this nature.
The real fundamental problem here is when a person's liberty is at stake, There's sort of two reasons, two different avenues to think about it. One is sort of like a moral philosophical position is that like when it comes to taking away someone's liberty, only the government sort of has the moral authority to do that.
The real fundamental problem here is when a person's liberty is at stake, There's sort of two reasons, two different avenues to think about it. One is sort of like a moral philosophical position is that like when it comes to taking away someone's liberty, only the government sort of has the moral authority to do that.
And, you know, a private company having just the ability to profit off the fact that somebody else is incarcerated, it just has this like philosophical problem.
And, you know, a private company having just the ability to profit off the fact that somebody else is incarcerated, it just has this like philosophical problem.
There's also a functional problem, which is that when the corporations have a financial interest in keeping their beds full, and every person that's in there, they're making more money, they have this financial interest to work in the legislative space and the advocacy space against sort of common sense policies. criminal justice reform.
There's also a functional problem, which is that when the corporations have a financial interest in keeping their beds full, and every person that's in there, they're making more money, they have this financial interest to work in the legislative space and the advocacy space against sort of common sense policies. criminal justice reform.
And so they're always going to be pushing for the kinds of things that make them more money. And so at its core is they have this vested financial interest that's at odds with individuals liberty.
And so they're always going to be pushing for the kinds of things that make them more money. And so at its core is they have this vested financial interest that's at odds with individuals liberty.
Rob, how are you? Are you well? I'm good. I like that this has become the new way of starting every episode.
Rob, how are you? Are you well? I'm good. I like that this has become the new way of starting every episode.
He is full of surprises, very intelligent, very liberal-minded, which compared to some of my kids, I really appreciate.
He is full of surprises, very intelligent, very liberal-minded, which compared to some of my kids, I really appreciate.
Yeah, he could probably go a little easier on joking with his mom when she doesn't know it's a joke.
Yeah, he could probably go a little easier on joking with his mom when she doesn't know it's a joke.
Did you ever see the show The Night Of? It's on HBO with Riz Ahmed. Yeah, I did, but I have no recollection of what it was about. That show is like my nightmare. He gets put in jail for something he didn't do. Oh, okay. And then it's him trying to deal with that, but then you also watch this progression of him having to double down and just kind of... Just adapt. He had to adapt to the situation.
Did you ever see the show The Night Of? It's on HBO with Riz Ahmed. Yeah, I did, but I have no recollection of what it was about. That show is like my nightmare. He gets put in jail for something he didn't do. Oh, okay. And then it's him trying to deal with that, but then you also watch this progression of him having to double down and just kind of... Just adapt. He had to adapt to the situation.
Let's drink all the tea and all the coffee. I support both. And there's a very amazing restaurant I have not gone to that I want to go to. Okay. What kind of food? I think it's Creole food. Will you look up really quick? K-A-N-N. Portland. K-A-N-N. Con Portland. Portland.
Let's drink all the tea and all the coffee. I support both. And there's a very amazing restaurant I have not gone to that I want to go to. Okay. What kind of food? I think it's Creole food. Will you look up really quick? K-A-N-N. Portland. K-A-N-N. Con Portland. Portland.
And it's incredibly dark and bleak. Seeing this...
And it's incredibly dark and bleak. Seeing this...
The recidivism rates once you come out, like, once you're in that system, like, how much more likely you are to return to it.
The recidivism rates once you come out, like, once you're in that system, like, how much more likely you are to return to it.
Well, and the fact that there are privatized prisons, and, like, there's people making money off of keeping you in prison. Yeah. And keeping you from getting better. Like, the fact that there are potentially... People gaining from it also seems not great.
Well, and the fact that there are privatized prisons, and, like, there's people making money off of keeping you in prison. Yeah. And keeping you from getting better. Like, the fact that there are potentially... People gaining from it also seems not great.
It's Haitian food. Okay. But I mean, if anyone works there, this is why you bring it up. No, no, it's not at all. I'm watching reservations so that I can get in there while we're in town. But that's mostly what I'm excited for besides the show in Portland. And then San Fran. April 18th, Palace of Fine Arts Theatre, which looks way too nice for us.
It's Haitian food. Okay. But I mean, if anyone works there, this is why you bring it up. No, no, it's not at all. I'm watching reservations so that I can get in there while we're in town. But that's mostly what I'm excited for besides the show in Portland. And then San Fran. April 18th, Palace of Fine Arts Theatre, which looks way too nice for us.
Would be keeping people unjustly there. And I don't know that there's a lot of hope or trust that that's not the case.
Would be keeping people unjustly there. And I don't know that there's a lot of hope or trust that that's not the case.
I knew that that existed in prisons, but I didn't realize it was like the prisons organizing it in that way. Yeah. And that you were just put in your group.
I knew that that existed in prisons, but I didn't realize it was like the prisons organizing it in that way. Yeah. And that you were just put in your group.
And if they have a baby, you'll do the umbilical cord circumcision part two episode if it's a boy. That's a great idea. And yeah, cut the umbilical cord.
And if they have a baby, you'll do the umbilical cord circumcision part two episode if it's a boy. That's a great idea. And yeah, cut the umbilical cord.
I didn't realize that they were specifically for yoga.
I didn't realize that they were specifically for yoga.
Maybe all along you were secretly, what was his name? David D'Amato. David D'Amato. I am David D'Amato.
Maybe all along you were secretly, what was his name? David D'Amato. David D'Amato. I am David D'Amato.
If you're a taxidermist in either of those cities, we'd love to borrow some birds.
If you're a taxidermist in either of those cities, we'd love to borrow some birds.
We're just going to send Calvin out with a net in these cities.
We're just going to send Calvin out with a net in these cities.
I don't recall, like, there being a movie report. Was it more, what did you do? I mean, there were, like, I remember educational shows. There was the show Voyage of the Mimi that we watched in, like, fifth grade.
I don't recall, like, there being a movie report. Was it more, what did you do? I mean, there were, like, I remember educational shows. There was the show Voyage of the Mimi that we watched in, like, fifth grade.
Which starred a young Ben Affleck. Oh, seriously? When he was a kid. Any good? I remember learning about, like, hypothermia from that. Of, like... And the fact that you have to, like, get naked and put your bodies together to get warm. And I still reference that any time Natalie is, like, too cold. Right. I'll say, like, well, we have to get naked and put our bodies together.
Which starred a young Ben Affleck. Oh, seriously? When he was a kid. Any good? I remember learning about, like, hypothermia from that. Of, like... And the fact that you have to, like, get naked and put your bodies together to get warm. And I still reference that any time Natalie is, like, too cold. Right. I'll say, like, well, we have to get naked and put our bodies together.
Really good knowledge to take away from that film. Yeah, it'll warm you up very quickly. Yeah, because they get in, like, a sleeping bag and warm up. What's the film about? It's a show. Okay. That's about all I remember from it. It's a show. There was a boat. Okay, and they get naked at some point. I think they're on an island. Okay.
Really good knowledge to take away from that film. Yeah, it'll warm you up very quickly. Yeah, because they get in, like, a sleeping bag and warm up. What's the film about? It's a show. Okay. That's about all I remember from it. It's a show. There was a boat. Okay, and they get naked at some point. I think they're on an island. Okay.
I liked it too. I'd put like True Blood in a similar place. True Blood had like a bit more class. No, it didn't. You don't think it did? Well, I don't know. How much do we want to shit publicly on a show?
I liked it too. I'd put like True Blood in a similar place. True Blood had like a bit more class. No, it didn't. You don't think it did? Well, I don't know. How much do we want to shit publicly on a show?
I couldn't stop watching it, but also, like, I don't look back at that being, yeah, great. But Prison Break was the same. I watched, I was really into Prison Break when it came out.
I couldn't stop watching it, but also, like, I don't look back at that being, yeah, great. But Prison Break was the same. I watched, I was really into Prison Break when it came out.
That's the gist, right? Yeah, that's exactly what I remember from it.
That's the gist, right? Yeah, that's exactly what I remember from it.
I don't either, but I do remember the tattoos. And spoiler alert.
I don't either, but I do remember the tattoos. And spoiler alert.
Nope. Was that where you were going with the spoiler alert?
Nope. Was that where you were going with the spoiler alert?
Well, I remember by, like, the second or third season, they were out, and it was just like, okay, this show's called Prison Break, what are they doing? What are we doing now with them out?
Well, I remember by, like, the second or third season, they were out, and it was just like, okay, this show's called Prison Break, what are they doing? What are we doing now with them out?
What, who would have thought? That's like when you find out that Justin Theroux wrote Tropic Thunder.
What, who would have thought? That's like when you find out that Justin Theroux wrote Tropic Thunder.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. But, I mean, look up what else he wrote. He wrote, like, he's a great comedy writer.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. But, I mean, look up what else he wrote. He wrote, like, he's a great comedy writer.
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It's all right. I've been behind all day. It's one of those days where I feel like the whole day I'm just furiously behind and I feel stressed, you know? Yeah. We're doing an episode called Flights of Fancy where basically listeners call in to submit topics that they want me to look into. I don't know what they're going to be calling in about. Rob has kind of been corralling all of those, but...
It's all right. I've been behind all day. It's one of those days where I feel like the whole day I'm just furiously behind and I feel stressed, you know? Yeah. We're doing an episode called Flights of Fancy where basically listeners call in to submit topics that they want me to look into. I don't know what they're going to be calling in about. Rob has kind of been corralling all of those, but...
Hi, Lily. How are you doing?
Hi, Lily. How are you doing?
You're on the TV. Thank you for doing this.
You're on the TV. Thank you for doing this.
Oh my God. Look, I feel like so we don't run out of time. I think we should get straight into it. I would love to know your name and please tell us your pitch.
Oh my God. Look, I feel like so we don't run out of time. I think we should get straight into it. I would love to know your name and please tell us your pitch.
Oh, okay. I got goosebumps when you said that, because I have certain emotional reactions to this, but I've also kind of forgotten everything about it.
Oh, okay. I got goosebumps when you said that, because I have certain emotional reactions to this, but I've also kind of forgotten everything about it.
So, get ready to hear from a bunch of flightless bird listeners, aka birdies, who are involved in something interesting, surprising, weird, and educational, because this is the Flights of Fancy episode.
So, get ready to hear from a bunch of flightless bird listeners, aka birdies, who are involved in something interesting, surprising, weird, and educational, because this is the Flights of Fancy episode.
uh for the whole year of 2012 so i came in right before it started and left after it ended in new zealand coney 2012 made it to new zealand i have a coney 2012 t-shirt so you obviously did a very good job but for someone listening to this has no idea what this what the hell you're talking about can you just explain what this movement was
uh for the whole year of 2012 so i came in right before it started and left after it ended in new zealand coney 2012 made it to new zealand i have a coney 2012 t-shirt so you obviously did a very good job but for someone listening to this has no idea what this what the hell you're talking about can you just explain what this movement was
Okay.
Okay.
He's hobbling around.
He's hobbling around.
Yeah, you've been around for a while.
Yeah, you've been around for a while.
This was a real horrific thing going on, and Invisible Children was there to raise awareness in America and beyond, raise money, and then put that money towards stopping this particular conflict.
This was a real horrific thing going on, and Invisible Children was there to raise awareness in America and beyond, raise money, and then put that money towards stopping this particular conflict.
Rob, I'm excited to get into this. Me too. We had quite a few submissions. You were combing through them.
Rob, I'm excited to get into this. Me too. We had quite a few submissions. You were combing through them.
It sounds like what a religious organization would say. That's exactly what I'd say.
It sounds like what a religious organization would say. That's exactly what I'd say.
Okay. Yeah, they're out to, like, make the world a better place, essentially. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah, they're out to, like, make the world a better place, essentially. Yeah.
Okay, so what's the problem? What's the problem with all of this?
Okay, so what's the problem? What's the problem with all of this?
Holy shit.
Holy shit.
Aha, kids.
Aha, kids.
Okay, so this thing goes mega viral. I'm in New Zealand suddenly hearing about Joseph Kony, having never heard of this person before. I imagine a lot of money is flowing into your organization. What happens from there?
Okay, so this thing goes mega viral. I'm in New Zealand suddenly hearing about Joseph Kony, having never heard of this person before. I imagine a lot of money is flowing into your organization. What happens from there?
Yeah, and not pro-Kony. Yeah, Kony was very bad. And for the record, he was genuinely not a great guy. So, okay, you're an intern and things are going well. I know this story does take quite a dark, odd turn. I'm wondering, I don't know how you can even explain what happened because my details are vague in my own brain, but what happened? What went wrong?
Yeah, and not pro-Kony. Yeah, Kony was very bad. And for the record, he was genuinely not a great guy. So, okay, you're an intern and things are going well. I know this story does take quite a dark, odd turn. I'm wondering, I don't know how you can even explain what happened because my details are vague in my own brain, but what happened? What went wrong?
I see. Right. So suddenly a lot of hatred and negativity, social media and being viral is like a relatively new thing. And you guys are getting slammed by a whole lot of like weird negative shit.
I see. Right. So suddenly a lot of hatred and negativity, social media and being viral is like a relatively new thing. And you guys are getting slammed by a whole lot of like weird negative shit.
difficult to pick yeah it's always a little difficult to pick but there's some good ones and i think we've got enough to do a couple of these i get excited by this because a i can sort of take a week off yeah and also this is quite a compelling episode we're going to make but then also it's just ideas for like other amazing episodes down the line
difficult to pick yeah it's always a little difficult to pick but there's some good ones and i think we've got enough to do a couple of these i get excited by this because a i can sort of take a week off yeah and also this is quite a compelling episode we're going to make but then also it's just ideas for like other amazing episodes down the line
So just to say, I absolutely want to dive into this topic. Like Rob and I, like, how can we not look more into this? Um, we'll loop back to you and get more details about your world in this and other people as well. He basically stripped off naked, right? On the street, filmed it. And that would have been a bad day in the office. I imagine for all of you, like that must've been a thing.
So just to say, I absolutely want to dive into this topic. Like Rob and I, like, how can we not look more into this? Um, we'll loop back to you and get more details about your world in this and other people as well. He basically stripped off naked, right? On the street, filmed it. And that would have been a bad day in the office. I imagine for all of you, like that must've been a thing.
Yeah, I mean, what a thing to go through as a bunch of kids, your interns, you've just had this incredible ride. You're all doing this thing, which is positive. The internet slowly turns on you because they're suspicious of what you're doing. And then you have someone with mental health issues collapsing and then it all suddenly turns on all of you.
Yeah, I mean, what a thing to go through as a bunch of kids, your interns, you've just had this incredible ride. You're all doing this thing, which is positive. The internet slowly turns on you because they're suspicious of what you're doing. And then you have someone with mental health issues collapsing and then it all suddenly turns on all of you.
I can't think of a more horrific day in the office. And it's such a story of what's everything about this is so incredibly American, right? And I love that it's like the early days of things going viral and like an early indicator of how much that can mess with your brain and how suddenly being famous overnight can seem good, but can sometimes be very, very bad.
I can't think of a more horrific day in the office. And it's such a story of what's everything about this is so incredibly American, right? And I love that it's like the early days of things going viral and like an early indicator of how much that can mess with your brain and how suddenly being famous overnight can seem good, but can sometimes be very, very bad.
Little Davids. Little Davids. Yeah. How did the Kiwis cope with what was going on?
Little Davids. Little Davids. Yeah. How did the Kiwis cope with what was going on?
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Timmy did you such a solid. That's really, that's really great. Again, that speaks to America as well, right? You're having the worst day of your life. And there is the media with a camera filming you talking to your mom. That's all wild. My God.
Timmy did you such a solid. That's really, that's really great. Again, that speaks to America as well, right? You're having the worst day of your life. And there is the media with a camera filming you talking to your mom. That's all wild. My God.
I have about a million more questions, but I think I'm going to hold off on those until we do a whole episode dedicated to this. And I want to find Timmy. Timmy, if you're listening to this, email in because I kind of want to talk to you as well. I love that there were Kiwis in that house with you guys. That's amazing. And I'm sorry it all went so pear-shaped.
I have about a million more questions, but I think I'm going to hold off on those until we do a whole episode dedicated to this. And I want to find Timmy. Timmy, if you're listening to this, email in because I kind of want to talk to you as well. I love that there were Kiwis in that house with you guys. That's amazing. And I'm sorry it all went so pear-shaped.
Do you feel like when you think about this, you're talking to us, you're holding it together. But I imagine it brings up some pretty not great feelings. And it sort of turned into a bit of a joke as well for a lot of people. But for you, this was this huge part of your life. The intentions were so good of it, too. Yeah.
Do you feel like when you think about this, you're talking to us, you're holding it together. But I imagine it brings up some pretty not great feelings. And it sort of turned into a bit of a joke as well for a lot of people. But for you, this was this huge part of your life. The intentions were so good of it, too. Yeah.
Well, look, thank you for sharing all of this and we'll loop back and I want to learn more.
Well, look, thank you for sharing all of this and we'll loop back and I want to learn more.
And I think it's, I think looking back at something like this that was talked about so much in the moment, but having the chance to have time pass and to be able to reflect on things and what things actually mean, I think is a really great opportunity to look at a bunch of different things in American culture. So thanks for the pitch. We'll have you back. Thank you.
And I think it's, I think looking back at something like this that was talked about so much in the moment, but having the chance to have time pass and to be able to reflect on things and what things actually mean, I think is a really great opportunity to look at a bunch of different things in American culture. So thanks for the pitch. We'll have you back. Thank you.
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I might be a good communicator on this podcast, but in person, from New Zealand, I'm shy, I'm nervous, I don't know how to talk about things that are actually important, and therapy has been helping me with that. Hi, Paddy, how are you? I'm good. Thank you. It's nice to see you. Thank you for doing this.
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I think we should just get straight into it. Patty, I would love to know where you are in the country and what your pitch is for the show.
I think we should just get straight into it. Patty, I would love to know where you are in the country and what your pitch is for the show.
So I'm a snowbird. What one do you prefer? Which area?
So I'm a snowbird. What one do you prefer? Which area?
Beautiful. Okay. And what's your pitch for us?
Beautiful. Okay. And what's your pitch for us?
Yeah, I'm scared of them. I'm deeply cautious and scared.
Yeah, I'm scared of them. I'm deeply cautious and scared.
Are you involved in the space or you're a fan? Are you a balloon enthusiast? Are you a pilot?
Are you involved in the space or you're a fan? Are you a balloon enthusiast? Are you a pilot?
Well, I'm so curious because what is involved in the competitive side of hot air ballooning? Because, you know, you take off very slowly, you sort of float, and then you descend. What's the competitive element?
Well, I'm so curious because what is involved in the competitive side of hot air ballooning? Because, you know, you take off very slowly, you sort of float, and then you descend. What's the competitive element?
spots in the air oh wow that's that's amazing so yeah you're trying to fly to an altitude and to a certain actual spot um that would have a latitude longitude it's like a mario card game yeah it's like playing mario kart yeah that's kind of wild and i imagine the pilots that are doing this um are they have they been doing this forever are the new players in the game
spots in the air oh wow that's that's amazing so yeah you're trying to fly to an altitude and to a certain actual spot um that would have a latitude longitude it's like a mario card game yeah it's like playing mario kart yeah that's kind of wild and i imagine the pilots that are doing this um are they have they been doing this forever are the new players in the game
Oh, wow. Oh, no, there are a lot of balloons in the air.
Oh, wow. Oh, no, there are a lot of balloons in the air.
Oh, that's insane. How are you not, this is a very amateur question, but how are you not just banging into each other because you're moving so slowly, correcting seems difficult?
Oh, that's insane. How are you not, this is a very amateur question, but how are you not just banging into each other because you're moving so slowly, correcting seems difficult?
Rob's playing that now. Oh, yeah, this is going at. Yeah, that's coming in at speed.
Rob's playing that now. Oh, yeah, this is going at. Yeah, that's coming in at speed.
So these balloons, they look a lot more sort of light and technical than the balloons I'm imagining. And I'm just thinking now there's probably a lot of different types of balloons you can get into. Right.
So these balloons, they look a lot more sort of light and technical than the balloons I'm imagining. And I'm just thinking now there's probably a lot of different types of balloons you can get into. Right.
It's harsh, but accurate. But no, also, and I didn't really want to start a flightless bird Instagram because that seems like too much hard work. So flightlessbirdpod.com. It's all there. Other than that, is there anything else we need to sort of get out of the way before we talk to the people?
It's harsh, but accurate. But no, also, and I didn't really want to start a flightless bird Instagram because that seems like too much hard work. So flightlessbirdpod.com. It's all there. Other than that, is there anything else we need to sort of get out of the way before we talk to the people?
Oh, yeah. I just want to watch this. It is. It does feel like a video game. We are coming in, tagging, carrying on.
Oh, yeah. I just want to watch this. It is. It does feel like a video game. We are coming in, tagging, carrying on.
You've got to be biggest. In the country.
You've got to be biggest. In the country.
Oh, I mean, I'm sold. I love all of this. I mean, it doesn't make me want to jump up in a balloon immediately, but I definitely want to be on the ground watching the competition.
Oh, I mean, I'm sold. I love all of this. I mean, it doesn't make me want to jump up in a balloon immediately, but I definitely want to be on the ground watching the competition.
I love all of this. No, count me in. I'm going to look at the calendar in June and see what's going on. This is amazing. The final question I have for you today, just because I'm curious, if I did want to get into this particular sport, how much would it cost for, say, a cheap starter balloon?
I love all of this. No, count me in. I'm going to look at the calendar in June and see what's going on. This is amazing. The final question I have for you today, just because I'm curious, if I did want to get into this particular sport, how much would it cost for, say, a cheap starter balloon?
And then if I'm going to get really good and I want the best balloon available, what would the upper tier of costing be?
And then if I'm going to get really good and I want the best balloon available, what would the upper tier of costing be?
Oh, used balloon. I don't know if I want that.
Oh, used balloon. I don't know if I want that.
I don't want a used balloon. Okay, how much is a used balloon in a basket?
I don't want a used balloon. Okay, how much is a used balloon in a basket?
I don't think that's a good idea.
I don't think that's a good idea.
No, I'm okay. I'm okay with that. Although I imagine, of course, they're skilled and amazing. But it's just, yeah, the whole, I mean, that's the thing. I'm talking as someone so ignorant to all of this. It's just I've literally watched some videos and it feels scary. So I'd love to be on the ground or maybe in the air seeing what it's all about. I've been in a blimp.
No, I'm okay. I'm okay with that. Although I imagine, of course, they're skilled and amazing. But it's just, yeah, the whole, I mean, that's the thing. I'm talking as someone so ignorant to all of this. It's just I've literally watched some videos and it feels scary. So I'd love to be on the ground or maybe in the air seeing what it's all about. I've been in a blimp.
A balloon can't be that much scarier.
A balloon can't be that much scarier.
Yeah. The descent, the descent is quick. Yeah. We had a very smooth landing, which was great, but yeah, you do come down there pretty quickly. Yeah.
Yeah. The descent, the descent is quick. Yeah. We had a very smooth landing, which was great, but yeah, you do come down there pretty quickly. Yeah.
Thank you so much. This is amazing. I love the pitch. It's a whole world. I was unaware even existed competitive ballooning. So thank you.
Thank you so much. This is amazing. I love the pitch. It's a whole world. I was unaware even existed competitive ballooning. So thank you.
We'll be keeping an eye on it, what's rolling through.
We'll be keeping an eye on it, what's rolling through.
Thank you so much. We'll be back in touch and have an amazing rest of the week.
Thank you so much. We'll be back in touch and have an amazing rest of the week.
Thanks, Patty. Bye.
Thanks, Patty. Bye.
All right, Chris, we got you. Hey, thanks for doing this. Thanks for having me. Chris, hello. I would love to know your pitch for Flight of the Spirit. I'm going into all of these colds, so I'm so fascinated. Perfect.
All right, Chris, we got you. Hey, thanks for doing this. Thanks for having me. Chris, hello. I would love to know your pitch for Flight of the Spirit. I'm going into all of these colds, so I'm so fascinated. Perfect.
No, I mean, that was going to be my next question. I mean, a million things are going off in my brain right now. But what is your involvement and what makes you passionate about this topic?
No, I mean, that was going to be my next question. I mean, a million things are going off in my brain right now. But what is your involvement and what makes you passionate about this topic?
And yeah, it's nice because as we found out last time and this time, you listening to the show often have something incredible up your sleeve that I would never and Rob would never think about otherwise. And so this is like fun for us.
And yeah, it's nice because as we found out last time and this time, you listening to the show often have something incredible up your sleeve that I would never and Rob would never think about otherwise. And so this is like fun for us.
Oh, my God. Wait, so you're the troubled teen. You're the one who has been up to some shit and... you've been put in this program and you had no idea it was about to happen.
Oh, my God. Wait, so you're the troubled teen. You're the one who has been up to some shit and... you've been put in this program and you had no idea it was about to happen.
Okay. So you're, you're woken up in your bedroom with, with some big dudes with, um, zip ties.
Okay. So you're, you're woken up in your bedroom with, with some big dudes with, um, zip ties.
A little bit. Yeah. Just a little.
A little bit. Yeah. Just a little.
Jesus. So it's like, it's sort of like you're being inducted into prison or something like that feels pretty intense. Well, the whole thing's intense. You've got two guys in your room with zip ties and flying you, you know, you're not going down the road, you're being flown somewhere else. And then you're being strip searched.
Jesus. So it's like, it's sort of like you're being inducted into prison or something like that feels pretty intense. Well, the whole thing's intense. You've got two guys in your room with zip ties and flying you, you know, you're not going down the road, you're being flown somewhere else. And then you're being strip searched.
Is any of this being explained to you at the time or you're still unaware of the whole time?
Is any of this being explained to you at the time or you're still unaware of the whole time?
If I get this right, it's basically you're a bad kid, whatever that is. You're ripped out of home and you're shocked into living in the woods so that you...
If I get this right, it's basically you're a bad kid, whatever that is. You're ripped out of home and you're shocked into living in the woods so that you...
what can see your life more clearly or become more sort of what's the purpose and i guess my ultimate question is looking back at this now you seem like lovely and very well adjusted what do you make of what happened to you and whether it was a good thing or a bad thing or a complex mixture well and also what age are all the kids that are being sent here it's like 15
what can see your life more clearly or become more sort of what's the purpose and i guess my ultimate question is looking back at this now you seem like lovely and very well adjusted what do you make of what happened to you and whether it was a good thing or a bad thing or a complex mixture well and also what age are all the kids that are being sent here it's like 15
Everything you've said sounds horrific and very bad, but what's your take on how all this went now as an adult?
Everything you've said sounds horrific and very bad, but what's your take on how all this went now as an adult?
Yeah, so the methodology, horrific. Yes, the concept of getting you out in nature and learning how to fend for yourself with caring people is a good thing. But this program sounds like it takes this idea and just sort of turns it into this weird for-profit thing. Shop tactic.
Yeah, so the methodology, horrific. Yes, the concept of getting you out in nature and learning how to fend for yourself with caring people is a good thing. But this program sounds like it takes this idea and just sort of turns it into this weird for-profit thing. Shop tactic.
Yeah, it's funny, like, coming up with topics for the show, because there are certain topics that seem like they're going to be really big and interesting. Like, I'm trying to think of an example now. But, like, this is sort of a boring example, but I always think, like, banking would be a great topic.
Yeah, it's funny, like, coming up with topics for the show, because there are certain topics that seem like they're going to be really big and interesting. Like, I'm trying to think of an example now. But, like, this is sort of a boring example, but I always think, like, banking would be a great topic.
Are these programs still running in any way, or are they a bit more tame now? What's the situation today?
Are these programs still running in any way, or are they a bit more tame now? What's the situation today?
Holy shit. This is all new to me.
Holy shit. This is all new to me.
Yeah, right. And I feel like now you're talking about this, I feel there's been a documentary one-off or series about one of the more problematic camps or camps.
Yeah, right. And I feel like now you're talking about this, I feel there's been a documentary one-off or series about one of the more problematic camps or camps.
Holy shit. This is so, I guess my final, I mean, I absolutely want to dig deeper into this. So thanks so much for reaching out. And you also clearly have very good musical tastes. So like sign yourself up. Have you talked to your, your parents about this at all? Like as an adult, or is this just like a big falling out point of like, how could you assign me up to this?
Holy shit. This is so, I guess my final, I mean, I absolutely want to dig deeper into this. So thanks so much for reaching out. And you also clearly have very good musical tastes. So like sign yourself up. Have you talked to your, your parents about this at all? Like as an adult, or is this just like a big falling out point of like, how could you assign me up to this?
And you don't have to answer this if it's too personal.
And you don't have to answer this if it's too personal.
Well, thank you for sharing. And I'm absolutely want to follow this up. I've got a million more questions and yeah, I'm glad you're okay today. That's, I can't imagine. I don't know. I was a pretty cowardly kid. I was pretty scared of everything. Like I was scared to have sleepovers at friends' houses when I was like that age you got taken.
Well, thank you for sharing. And I'm absolutely want to follow this up. I've got a million more questions and yeah, I'm glad you're okay today. That's, I can't imagine. I don't know. I was a pretty cowardly kid. I was pretty scared of everything. Like I was scared to have sleepovers at friends' houses when I was like that age you got taken.
Like, just the way, like, the banking system works and money and why I'm still writing out a check to pay my rent. But things that seem really good on paper, if you don't have this central character. Like checks?
Like, just the way, like, the banking system works and money and why I'm still writing out a check to pay my rent. But things that seem really good on paper, if you don't have this central character. Like checks?
So to have some big dudes turn up into my room and, and sort of,
So to have some big dudes turn up into my room and, and sort of,
zip tie me and put me on a plane it sounds like a weird joke or like it doesn't sound like something that is real or is allowed to happen so i want to know more so thank you no thank you guys all right we'll loop back thank you um actually one more question maybe it's a hack question but like how bad were you as a kid like what were you up to maybe you deserve to be zip tied and hauled away were you murdering kittens or something yeah he was the kid from adolescence
zip tie me and put me on a plane it sounds like a weird joke or like it doesn't sound like something that is real or is allowed to happen so i want to know more so thank you no thank you guys all right we'll loop back thank you um actually one more question maybe it's a hack question but like how bad were you as a kid like what were you up to maybe you deserve to be zip tied and hauled away were you murdering kittens or something yeah he was the kid from adolescence
Yeah, with the adolescence child. And you just stabbed a female. I shouldn't lie. You know, what had you done?
Yeah, with the adolescence child. And you just stabbed a female. I shouldn't lie. You know, what had you done?
i i always wanted one i thought it'd be a fun kind of uh party van kind of thing um so you bought a hearse and your parents it's like this is the last step this is the last thing transgression we're calling them in yeah that was this trial that broke the camel's back i think i'm
i i always wanted one i thought it'd be a fun kind of uh party van kind of thing um so you bought a hearse and your parents it's like this is the last step this is the last thing transgression we're calling them in yeah that was this trial that broke the camel's back i think i'm
Incredible. So yeah, you just like weren't following the rules.
Incredible. So yeah, you just like weren't following the rules.
Yeah. Oh my God. Thank you so much. We'll loop back and talk to you more about this because this is a really, really good topic to dive into. Awesome. Thanks, guys. Have a good week. You too. Hello. Can you hear us?
Yeah. Oh my God. Thank you so much. We'll loop back and talk to you more about this because this is a really, really good topic to dive into. Awesome. Thanks, guys. Have a good week. You too. Hello. Can you hear us?
I was wondering if Rosabelle wanted the hit podcast, Flightless Bird, to look into a big issue about America. And apparently I always say issue. I need to say issue.
I was wondering if Rosabelle wanted the hit podcast, Flightless Bird, to look into a big issue about America. And apparently I always say issue. I need to say issue.
Yes. Hi, Madeline. Thanks for doing this.
Yes. Hi, Madeline. Thanks for doing this.
I don't know what any of these are going to be. Rob has been organizing all this, so I'm super curious.
I don't know what any of these are going to be. Rob has been organizing all this, so I'm super curious.
I love this. During the ice episode, you know, it's like once you... you become aware of a topic you've never thought about before you start seeing them everywhere. And I feel like ice machines.
I love this. During the ice episode, you know, it's like once you... you become aware of a topic you've never thought about before you start seeing them everywhere. And I feel like ice machines.
I couldn't. I see ice all the time. I was in a 7-Eleven and was blown away the other day by just the size of that ice machine. And obviously in hotels, it's a hugely iconic thing in America. What was that like working in that space?
I couldn't. I see ice all the time. I was in a 7-Eleven and was blown away the other day by just the size of that ice machine. And obviously in hotels, it's a hugely iconic thing in America. What was that like working in that space?
Yeah. And people need their ice. Americans need their ice when it gets hot.
Yeah. And people need their ice. Americans need their ice when it gets hot.
I feel like because I know very little about this topic, I almost don't know what questions to put to you. But are there sort of things you've learned in this industry or about ice machines or making ice that maybe someone has never thought of? I mean, I feel like ice is just so... Look, I'm literally drinking an ice coffee right now. It's full of ice. It's such an American thing.
I feel like because I know very little about this topic, I almost don't know what questions to put to you. But are there sort of things you've learned in this industry or about ice machines or making ice that maybe someone has never thought of? I mean, I feel like ice is just so... Look, I'm literally drinking an ice coffee right now. It's full of ice. It's such an American thing.
But are there any sort of aspects of this that your typical person might not have thought about that you're like, this is an interesting ice fact?
But are there any sort of aspects of this that your typical person might not have thought about that you're like, this is an interesting ice fact?
Already love this. I love this sort of shit. This is my jam. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Already love this. I love this sort of shit. This is my jam. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
coffee shops or whoever like i get dunk in and i see that as i know what it is i see that it's half ice right so that's what i've been consuming here yeah yeah because i've never thought about this i love one of my favorite things about getting iced coffee is chewing on the ice but obviously it's not great chewable ice i've never thought about what makes a good bit of chewable ice and obviously i want the nugs right yeah that's what you want to do send me to hospital get me those ice nuggets basically what's it what's america's most sort of popular form of ice would you say
coffee shops or whoever like i get dunk in and i see that as i know what it is i see that it's half ice right so that's what i've been consuming here yeah yeah because i've never thought about this i love one of my favorite things about getting iced coffee is chewing on the ice but obviously it's not great chewable ice i've never thought about what makes a good bit of chewable ice and obviously i want the nugs right yeah that's what you want to do send me to hospital get me those ice nuggets basically what's it what's america's most sort of popular form of ice would you say
Yeah. Let's go. If you have any feedback to this episode, as always, it's flightlessbirdchat at gmail.com. Always nice to hear from you. But should we get into the calls? Yeah, let's do it. Hi, Ellie. Are you there? Good.
Yeah. Let's go. If you have any feedback to this episode, as always, it's flightlessbirdchat at gmail.com. Always nice to hear from you. But should we get into the calls? Yeah, let's do it. Hi, Ellie. Are you there? Good.
You've been doing this for three years. Do you get a sense of whether America's appetite for ice is on the rise? It's plateaued, it's decreasing. Do you get a feel for that?
You've been doing this for three years. Do you get a sense of whether America's appetite for ice is on the rise? It's plateaued, it's decreasing. Do you get a feel for that?
Yeah. Bad, bad out there.
Yeah. Bad, bad out there.
I love this so much. Do you find yourself, you know, before you started this gig, did you ever think about ice or is this like a whole new world you're in?
I love this so much. Do you find yourself, you know, before you started this gig, did you ever think about ice or is this like a whole new world you're in?
And, you know, I feel like since I've been in America, I've come to like ice a lot more than I used to. If I came into like a lot of money, I got like a lucrative deal. What would be the ice sort of machine that I would get for my home? Would it be built into a fridge? Is it a separate machine? Like say I just, I really want good ice. What am I buying as a consumer at home?
And, you know, I feel like since I've been in America, I've come to like ice a lot more than I used to. If I came into like a lot of money, I got like a lucrative deal. What would be the ice sort of machine that I would get for my home? Would it be built into a fridge? Is it a separate machine? Like say I just, I really want good ice. What am I buying as a consumer at home?
How are you?
How are you?
We're really good. Hello. We're just getting things set up in our studio. You look amazing. Okay. We should just get into this. I'd love to know your name and then I would love to hear your pitch for the show.
We're really good. Hello. We're just getting things set up in our studio. You look amazing. Okay. We should just get into this. I'd love to know your name and then I would love to hear your pitch for the show.
But if I wanted to start making good chewable ice for my house, I'd probably have to get some industrial-grade machine that hospitals use.
But if I wanted to start making good chewable ice for my house, I'd probably have to get some industrial-grade machine that hospitals use.
I kind of like the idea of this. I have the tiniest kitchen known to humankind. And I like the idea of like making like my available beach face, just being this ice machine. I love it. Thank you so much for this. I, it's a,
I kind of like the idea of this. I have the tiniest kitchen known to humankind. And I like the idea of like making like my available beach face, just being this ice machine. I love it. Thank you so much for this. I, it's a,
whole new world i haven't thought of as far as ice dispensing goes so thank you so much for doing this yeah thanks for having me what's your favorite type of ice by the way um i mean i like to chew on it so nugget but i like half the ice better than pool dice for something like in my coffee i think there are two types of people i think there are people that like to chew ice and people that find that repulsive i think those are two kind of humans yeah do you have any thoughts on ice the immigration and customs enforcement agency
whole new world i haven't thought of as far as ice dispensing goes so thank you so much for doing this yeah thanks for having me what's your favorite type of ice by the way um i mean i like to chew on it so nugget but i like half the ice better than pool dice for something like in my coffee i think there are two types of people i think there are people that like to chew ice and people that find that repulsive i think those are two kind of humans yeah do you have any thoughts on ice the immigration and customs enforcement agency
You're amazing. Thank you so much for this. I really appreciate it.
You're amazing. Thank you so much for this. I really appreciate it.
Cool. Have a good rest of the week.
Cool. Have a good rest of the week.
Did you have already a good time?
Did you have already a good time?
What? Go again. I don't even want... No, do it. Do it again.
What? Go again. I don't even want... No, do it. Do it again.
Is that a type of cheese? Yes. Havarti cheese. Over my head entirely. I mean, I clearly need to do that cheese episode because I need to learn about cheese.
Is that a type of cheese? Yes. Havarti cheese. Over my head entirely. I mean, I clearly need to do that cheese episode because I need to learn about cheese.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This was... it's amazing i'm blown away by all these topics like i am like they're all so wildly different and they all make my brain go i want to know more about this particularly amazed that that guy got kidnapped um in the middle of the night as like a child we got multiple submissions about that specifically multiple people that have been kidnapped and brought to these uh facilities
This was... it's amazing i'm blown away by all these topics like i am like they're all so wildly different and they all make my brain go i want to know more about this particularly amazed that that guy got kidnapped um in the middle of the night as like a child we got multiple submissions about that specifically multiple people that have been kidnapped and brought to these uh facilities
sort of harks back to last week's episode about americans being kidnapped or like it starts young but i i like the ballooning is amazing competitive ballooning i'd never thought about that back to the kidnapping yeah do we over index and troubled teens that listen to this show maybe I wonder if that is. It's funny.
sort of harks back to last week's episode about americans being kidnapped or like it starts young but i i like the ballooning is amazing competitive ballooning i'd never thought about that back to the kidnapping yeah do we over index and troubled teens that listen to this show maybe I wonder if that is. It's funny.
It's interesting because we look at who's listening to what shows because we sort of want to see was this episode a massive flop or did people share it and like it? And we've been finding something really interesting where the episodes about religion, the numbers spike for those ones. And so I wonder if our listeners are like... I don't know.
It's interesting because we look at who's listening to what shows because we sort of want to see was this episode a massive flop or did people share it and like it? And we've been finding something really interesting where the episodes about religion, the numbers spike for those ones. And so I wonder if our listeners are like... I don't know.
Yeah, no, it's just interesting to think of because I'm always curious about how people come to the show.
Yeah, no, it's just interesting to think of because I'm always curious about how people come to the show.
It's like when they go camping, like the one podcast they can listen to.
It's like when they go camping, like the one podcast they can listen to.
Really, really, really good. Actually, something I keep forgetting to say, if you like the podcast, it's super helpful if you share it. Because one thing like we have some very dedicated listeners, but we're keen to get new people involved. So if you listen to an episode and you love it.
Really, really, really good. Actually, something I keep forgetting to say, if you like the podcast, it's super helpful if you share it. Because one thing like we have some very dedicated listeners, but we're keen to get new people involved. So if you listen to an episode and you love it.
It's unbelievably helpful if you can either like physically tell a friend, like there's a podcast I like, you should listen to it. Send them a link to your favorite episode. Yeah. And a link, that's a huge thing. If you can share a link, um, via like, I feel like I'm like being very basic here, but like send them an email or just share it on your social media.
It's unbelievably helpful if you can either like physically tell a friend, like there's a podcast I like, you should listen to it. Send them a link to your favorite episode. Yeah. And a link, that's a huge thing. If you can share a link, um, via like, I feel like I'm like being very basic here, but like send them an email or just share it on your social media.
Cause it's one thing to be like, we love the show. Keep going. It's so like a way you can really help us is to spread a link to a specific thing that If you're on Instagram, share a story. If you're on Blue Sky, Blue Sky about it. Facebook, post it. It helps.
Cause it's one thing to be like, we love the show. Keep going. It's so like a way you can really help us is to spread a link to a specific thing that If you're on Instagram, share a story. If you're on Blue Sky, Blue Sky about it. Facebook, post it. It helps.
Yeah. For instance, if you are someone that loved one of those religious episodes, share it with someone you used to go to church with who's also left.
Yeah. For instance, if you are someone that loved one of those religious episodes, share it with someone you used to go to church with who's also left.
Yeah, if you can start also tithing Rob and I 10% of your yearly income, that would be really helpful. You won't get anything out of it except knowing that we really love you eternally. That would be really great. But no, that was fun, Rob. Thanks for setting all of that up.
Yeah, if you can start also tithing Rob and I 10% of your yearly income, that would be really helpful. You won't get anything out of it except knowing that we really love you eternally. That would be really great. But no, that was fun, Rob. Thanks for setting all of that up.
I know, like, I'm also amazed that you can sort of, because we recorded this in one session, that you can kind of organize everyone to zoom in to us at a certain time of the day. So, like, also thanks to everyone who made that time in that episode to actually turn up.
I know, like, I'm also amazed that you can sort of, because we recorded this in one session, that you can kind of organize everyone to zoom in to us at a certain time of the day. So, like, also thanks to everyone who made that time in that episode to actually turn up.
I emailed five people and the five people were like... Our audience is... I genuinely... From the submissions to the email address, the submissions to this particular topic, we do have really good people. And I'm incredibly reluctant to call them birdies at times because I... That...
I emailed five people and the five people were like... Our audience is... I genuinely... From the submissions to the email address, the submissions to this particular topic, we do have really good people. And I'm incredibly reluctant to call them birdies at times because I... That...
word gives me the yuck but i also kind of love it and it's perfect and i really like it so birdies it is um okay we will um we'll catch you next week and thanks for listening to the show as always and uh see you soon
word gives me the yuck but i also kind of love it and it's perfect and i really like it so birdies it is um okay we will um we'll catch you next week and thanks for listening to the show as always and uh see you soon
Amazing. So you were working for Big Cheese?
Amazing. So you were working for Big Cheese?
I do remember these DMs, but it gets murky because the number of people that have sent me messages about the cheesiness of Wisconsin and the surrounding areas, I'm like, how cheesy can it be? Like, how big is this?
I do remember these DMs, but it gets murky because the number of people that have sent me messages about the cheesiness of Wisconsin and the surrounding areas, I'm like, how cheesy can it be? Like, how big is this?
A lot of people complain that I say issue instead of issue.
A lot of people complain that I say issue instead of issue.
Yeah, Packers are a football team. And cheeseheads, is it picturing a big slice of cheese on a hat or something? It's like a block. It's like a cheddar block.
Yeah, Packers are a football team. And cheeseheads, is it picturing a big slice of cheese on a hat or something? It's like a block. It's like a cheddar block.
I'm still stunned at how you talk about all this stuff like it's normal, but it's so deeply strange.
I'm still stunned at how you talk about all this stuff like it's normal, but it's so deeply strange.
And again,
And again,
Oh my God. That sounds horrific.
Oh my God. That sounds horrific.
Did you develop a particular... did you leave all of this still loving cheese, or did it make you dislike cheese because there was too much of it in your face?
Did you develop a particular... did you leave all of this still loving cheese, or did it make you dislike cheese because there was too much of it in your face?
I-S-H annoys people. Issue? Issue. Anyway, let's not worry about it. Okay. If I was to look into a topic for Flightless Bird, what would Rosabelle want David Andrew Farrier to look at?
I-S-H annoys people. Issue? Issue. Anyway, let's not worry about it. Okay. If I was to look into a topic for Flightless Bird, what would Rosabelle want David Andrew Farrier to look at?
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
Oh, okay. This is big. But this is big cheese.
Oh, okay. This is big. But this is big cheese.
Excuse me? Like, what does that even, what does that look like? Have you, what?
Excuse me? Like, what does that even, what does that look like? Have you, what?
You've met like Miss, Miss Cheese or 2024 or something.
You've met like Miss, Miss Cheese or 2024 or something.
Okay.
Okay.
Hi, Rosabelle. How's your day going?
Hi, Rosabelle. How's your day going?
Incredible.
Incredible.
international sorry world's championship that's what they call it i need to go to one of these cheese competitions right i think we need to do just missed it by a few weeks the u.s one was a few weeks ago oh my god okay so this is something for 2026 i need to be there well or when we get to the midwest yeah you need to go up to wisconsin Okay.
international sorry world's championship that's what they call it i need to go to one of these cheese competitions right i think we need to do just missed it by a few weeks the u.s one was a few weeks ago oh my god okay so this is something for 2026 i need to be there well or when we get to the midwest yeah you need to go up to wisconsin Okay.
Wisconsin, just to be clear, they're deeply proud that there are cheese people. It's part of the culture. They're wearing cheese hats. They're having cheese competitions. There's Miss Dairy beauty pageant, which is incredible. Just one quick question about that. What do you need to do to win that?
Wisconsin, just to be clear, they're deeply proud that there are cheese people. It's part of the culture. They're wearing cheese hats. They're having cheese competitions. There's Miss Dairy beauty pageant, which is incredible. Just one quick question about that. What do you need to do to win that?
Is it like a similar thing to other beauty pageants in America or do you have like a cow with you or do you have to have cheese? What makes Miss Cheese like cheesy, you know?
Is it like a similar thing to other beauty pageants in America or do you have like a cow with you or do you have to have cheese? What makes Miss Cheese like cheesy, you know?
This is amazing.
This is amazing.
I love all of this. I love that this is this place that is just known for this one thing. I love cheese.
I love all of this. I love that this is this place that is just known for this one thing. I love cheese.
I think we should eat so much cheese and then get into the water parks. Because I'm going to be full of cheese sliding down some of those slides, you know? Diarrhea all over the slide. Just feeling like I want to vomit the whole time. But for the record, I love cheese.
I think we should eat so much cheese and then get into the water parks. Because I'm going to be full of cheese sliding down some of those slides, you know? Diarrhea all over the slide. Just feeling like I want to vomit the whole time. But for the record, I love cheese.
It sounds a bit like Doge.
It sounds a bit like Doge.
This is really good. Well, I love your pitch. I love everything about it. There's not one thing you've said that I'm not ridiculously intrigued by.
This is really good. Well, I love your pitch. I love everything about it. There's not one thing you've said that I'm not ridiculously intrigued by.
I'm David Farrier, and New Zealand are accidentally marooned in America, and I want to figure out what makes this country tick. And no, Rosabelle, I will not allow you to air my dirty secrets on this podcast, ever. I'm very excited about today's episode. We tried this out ages ago, and it was a blast.
I'm David Farrier, and New Zealand are accidentally marooned in America, and I want to figure out what makes this country tick. And no, Rosabelle, I will not allow you to air my dirty secrets on this podcast, ever. I'm very excited about today's episode. We tried this out ages ago, and it was a blast.
Please.
Please.
This is great.
This is great.
This is incredible. So it goes from pizza to American pop culture to changing the way other countries formulate their pizza.
This is incredible. So it goes from pizza to American pop culture to changing the way other countries formulate their pizza.
This is really amazing. Yeah, I love this. I love every element of it. I'm a big Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fan. Pizza is a huge element. Yeah, I mean, who isn't? I love everything about this. There's no negatives. There's no negatives, except we're going to get sick and probably get some bugs internally, but that's fine.
This is really amazing. Yeah, I love this. I love every element of it. I'm a big Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fan. Pizza is a huge element. Yeah, I mean, who isn't? I love everything about this. There's no negatives. There's no negatives, except we're going to get sick and probably get some bugs internally, but that's fine.
How long do we have, Rob? Do we have a couple of minutes? I mean, we're already past. Okay, we can't get into lobbying. You're amazing.
How long do we have, Rob? Do we have a couple of minutes? I mean, we're already past. Okay, we can't get into lobbying. You're amazing.
Thank you, Big Cheese. We're adding it to the list. Thank you.
Thank you, Big Cheese. We're adding it to the list. Thank you.
Rocky. We were lucky enough to have Rocky do our Portland show.
Rocky. We were lucky enough to have Rocky do our Portland show.
So he had an album makers. Did you have those albums that you, when you went through a breakup, it became your breakup album?
So he had an album makers. Did you have those albums that you, when you went through a breakup, it became your breakup album?
this album was one of those for me. It was one of my, it was like my high school breakup album. Oh God. So yeah, this is, this is that.
this album was one of those for me. It was one of my, it was like my high school breakup album. Oh God. So yeah, this is, this is that.
Yeah, I think that album and then Appleseed Cast, two conversations.
Yeah, I think that album and then Appleseed Cast, two conversations.
I think my memory of it is more like driving at night listening to this. That's so emo. Driving at night is so emo.
I think my memory of it is more like driving at night listening to this. That's so emo. Driving at night is so emo.
Alright, so then Owen as number four. Okay. He's done a ton of other projects, too, as Mike Kinsella. He did American Football, Cap Jazz.
Alright, so then Owen as number four. Okay. He's done a ton of other projects, too, as Mike Kinsella. He did American Football, Cap Jazz.
Yeah. But Owen, to me, it's, again, it's just Mike with a guitar singing.
Yeah. But Owen, to me, it's, again, it's just Mike with a guitar singing.
Yeah. Um, and then my last one, which I think may be controversial, you know, this, I think this bread chat at gmail.com. I think I would call Bright Eyes like... I went to a Bright Eyes show with you. Yeah.
Yeah. Um, and then my last one, which I think may be controversial, you know, this, I think this bread chat at gmail.com. I think I would call Bright Eyes like... I went to a Bright Eyes show with you. Yeah.
I think he's kind of taken a journey musically throughout his career.
I think he's kind of taken a journey musically throughout his career.
Yeah, and I do think there are some more like indie bands that don't love getting called emo.
Yeah, and I do think there are some more like indie bands that don't love getting called emo.
Bright Eyes fans would kind of maybe hold him to a higher standard than emo music.
Bright Eyes fans would kind of maybe hold him to a higher standard than emo music.
Elliot Smith, too, I think fits the dude with the guitar singing about his emotions. But to me, for some reason, maybe that's me being snobby about music. A bit of snobbery is allowed on the show. But here's what I mean.
Elliot Smith, too, I think fits the dude with the guitar singing about his emotions. But to me, for some reason, maybe that's me being snobby about music. A bit of snobbery is allowed on the show. But here's what I mean.
Yeah, which though, so is like Elliot Smith. I'm sure there was plenty of music prior to me getting into music. I know there is. That was that as well, that I am only not lumping in with this because it was before my generation. And I think the term emo wasn't coined yet.
Yeah, which though, so is like Elliot Smith. I'm sure there was plenty of music prior to me getting into music. I know there is. That was that as well, that I am only not lumping in with this because it was before my generation. And I think the term emo wasn't coined yet.
Well, okay. So, I do think a lot of this music scene was about these different regions that these bands came from. Right. Which was... What I think was really cool about it was... the community behind this genre. Whatever you're calling it, emo music or pop punk or whatever it is, there was kind of this camaraderie between all these bands and they'd all tour together.
Well, okay. So, I do think a lot of this music scene was about these different regions that these bands came from. Right. Which was... What I think was really cool about it was... the community behind this genre. Whatever you're calling it, emo music or pop punk or whatever it is, there was kind of this camaraderie between all these bands and they'd all tour together.
And to me, that's where I fell in love with music. That's where I made a ton of friends within that. That's where I found my tribe of people. was within this music scene.
And to me, that's where I fell in love with music. That's where I made a ton of friends within that. That's where I found my tribe of people. was within this music scene.
So then, Illinois, these were the big, to me, the emo bands. Fall Out Boy came from there. The Academy is Plain White Tees. The audition, the hush sound. 504 Plan was one of the lesser known but earlier versions of this music. Like 504 Plan members, one of them ended up joining Panic! at the Disco. Another one joined The Academy Is.
So then, Illinois, these were the big, to me, the emo bands. Fall Out Boy came from there. The Academy is Plain White Tees. The audition, the hush sound. 504 Plan was one of the lesser known but earlier versions of this music. Like 504 Plan members, one of them ended up joining Panic! at the Disco. Another one joined The Academy Is.
And the drummer became like business partners with Pete Wentz and like designed all of his stuff and was really like all of these bands like were a family. Yeah. And Spittlefield. So the guy from 504 Plan, like I just saw Spittlefield two months ago and he's playing with Spittlefield on their 20 year reunion tour. Holy shit. Yeah. I still talk to a lot of these people. It meant a lot.
And the drummer became like business partners with Pete Wentz and like designed all of his stuff and was really like all of these bands like were a family. Yeah. And Spittlefield. So the guy from 504 Plan, like I just saw Spittlefield two months ago and he's playing with Spittlefield on their 20 year reunion tour. Holy shit. Yeah. I still talk to a lot of these people. It meant a lot.
So, yeah, we had Bio4Plan, like I said. A lot of them went on. Fallout Boy. Uh-huh. Like, this album, Take It to Your Grave, I remember... going to the music video shoot at the Knights of Columbus.
So, yeah, we had Bio4Plan, like I said. A lot of them went on. Fallout Boy. Uh-huh. Like, this album, Take It to Your Grave, I remember... going to the music video shoot at the Knights of Columbus.
For Dead on Arrival. Well, like, what a buzz, though, as well. Yeah.
For Dead on Arrival. Well, like, what a buzz, though, as well. Yeah.
Amazing. Sweep. Oh, that's so cute. And then do the register. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Check people out.
Amazing. Sweep. Oh, that's so cute. And then do the register. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Check people out.
It was my first job. I needed a permit because I was underage to work there. But next door to it was a record shop. Yeah, that's where you'd spend the money that you earned. I'd just take my breaks there and hang out there.
It was my first job. I needed a permit because I was underage to work there. But next door to it was a record shop. Yeah, that's where you'd spend the money that you earned. I'd just take my breaks there and hang out there.
And working at that record shop was this guy, Johnny, that he, in I think high school, started a record label called Little League Records, put out the Academy's first record, put out a Gatsby's American Dream record, which is Kirk's band. You talked to him. He's like a big A&R guy now.
And working at that record shop was this guy, Johnny, that he, in I think high school, started a record label called Little League Records, put out the Academy's first record, put out a Gatsby's American Dream record, which is Kirk's band. You talked to him. He's like a big A&R guy now.
And I remember him showing me demos from Panic at the Disco. Because he ended up going to do A&R at Feel By Ramen, which was a big record label that a lot of these bands were on. And getting demos for Panic at the Disco before they had played a show yet.
And I remember him showing me demos from Panic at the Disco. Because he ended up going to do A&R at Feel By Ramen, which was a big record label that a lot of these bands were on. And getting demos for Panic at the Disco before they had played a show yet.
I think I had a weird relationship with it, though. When I found this music, I found my community and tribe through it. kind of this music scene.
I think I had a weird relationship with it, though. When I found this music, I found my community and tribe through it. kind of this music scene.
But they were all like slightly older than me, not at my high school. So like I went to high school and was like kind of a loner at school.
But they were all like slightly older than me, not at my high school. So like I went to high school and was like kind of a loner at school.
but then had this community of friends outside of it yeah and like way more interesting yeah and like cooler but then what what started to happen was like those bands started getting bigger and popular within my high school so then there was this weird thing happening where like oh they don't know panning at the disco shirts were being worn or like things that i had designed
but then had this community of friends outside of it yeah and like way more interesting yeah and like cooler but then what what started to happen was like those bands started getting bigger and popular within my high school so then there was this weird thing happening where like oh they don't know panning at the disco shirts were being worn or like things that i had designed
And if I get down to it, it's probably the people that I was like rejected by friendship wise when I was younger. It's why you listen to the email music. I'm going to go make my own friends and leave this group.
And if I get down to it, it's probably the people that I was like rejected by friendship wise when I was younger. It's why you listen to the email music. I'm going to go make my own friends and leave this group.
It was just this weird juxtaposition happening. Oh, the weirdest juxtaposition. So we got Plain White Tease, which Damar's still a really good friend of mine, the drummer from this band.
It was just this weird juxtaposition happening. Oh, the weirdest juxtaposition. So we got Plain White Tease, which Damar's still a really good friend of mine, the drummer from this band.
they wrote hey there delilah which was like peak emo like when we were in san francisco there was a guy playing it on the street with a guitar yeah hush sound another one that came out of that era the audition spitalfield all right so then we're gonna go We're moving a little outside of the Midwest. Okay. You've got Motion City Soundtrack and Hawthorne Heights.
they wrote hey there delilah which was like peak emo like when we were in san francisco there was a guy playing it on the street with a guitar yeah hush sound another one that came out of that era the audition spitalfield all right so then we're gonna go We're moving a little outside of the Midwest. Okay. You've got Motion City Soundtrack and Hawthorne Heights.
And it's getting a little punkier, a little, like, screamo music kind of bleeds in a little bit. Okay. Because even Fall Out Boy had that a bit. Like, Pete Wentz came from a screamo band before called Arma Angelus. Right. Which, like, there are some older Fall Out Boy tracks where he's yelling. He's yelling, right. Yeah. So like Hawthorne Heights is starting to move into that direction.
And it's getting a little punkier, a little, like, screamo music kind of bleeds in a little bit. Okay. Because even Fall Out Boy had that a bit. Like, Pete Wentz came from a screamo band before called Arma Angelus. Right. Which, like, there are some older Fall Out Boy tracks where he's yelling. He's yelling, right. Yeah. So like Hawthorne Heights is starting to move into that direction.
And there's like this rival record label that comes up in Chicago, Victory Records. So you've got Fueled by Ramen in Florida, which is Fall Out Boy, The Academy Is, Panic at the Disco, Paramore, Hush Sound. And then you have Victory Records, which comes out, which is Hawthorne Heights and Bayside. Right.
And there's like this rival record label that comes up in Chicago, Victory Records. So you've got Fueled by Ramen in Florida, which is Fall Out Boy, The Academy Is, Panic at the Disco, Paramore, Hush Sound. And then you have Victory Records, which comes out, which is Hawthorne Heights and Bayside. Right.
Victory's a little more punk. They got Atreyu. Do you know Atreyu? No. Yeah. They're a little heavier, a little cooler. Okay. And then Motion City Soundtrack... I know motion city soundtrack. Um, all right. So then New Jersey had a ton.
Victory's a little more punk. They got Atreyu. Do you know Atreyu? No. Yeah. They're a little heavier, a little cooler. Okay. And then Motion City Soundtrack... I know motion city soundtrack. Um, all right. So then New Jersey had a ton.
I almost feel like there was the same thing happening in Chicago and Illinois happening out East where you've got my chemical romance, which this was the record that I knew the most.
I almost feel like there was the same thing happening in Chicago and Illinois happening out East where you've got my chemical romance, which this was the record that I knew the most.
And that's a little later. That's 2006. So this is happening... That's when I graduated high school.
And that's a little later. That's 2006. So this is happening... That's when I graduated high school.
So that first record is 2004. So that's like right around that same era. You've got Armor for Sleep. Mm-hmm. which is another band I was designing t-shirts for at the time, early November, Saves the Day. And then you've got this New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts area where you've got Taking Back Sunday, which I feel like is kind of peak emo.
So that first record is 2004. So that's like right around that same era. You've got Armor for Sleep. Mm-hmm. which is another band I was designing t-shirts for at the time, early November, Saves the Day. And then you've got this New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts area where you've got Taking Back Sunday, which I feel like is kind of peak emo.
Straylight Run, which was kind of an offshoot of Taking Back Sunday. It's Michelle Nolan and her brother who was in Taking Back Sunday.
Straylight Run, which was kind of an offshoot of Taking Back Sunday. It's Michelle Nolan and her brother who was in Taking Back Sunday.
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We've done the same to my mom, but I think maybe this year we'll send her another one because right now our Aura Frame, all of the siblings send in. It's all connected.
So it's not an Aura Frame just with our kids.
So it's not an Aura Frame just with our kids.
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And like I said, we share photos across the country so my mom can see our kids grow up.
That happens to me a lot now, where if I really like something, I want to wear it a bunch. And if I really, really like something, I'll end up buying a second one.
That happens to me a lot now, where if I really like something, I want to wear it a bunch. And if I really, really like something, I'll end up buying a second one.
That way I can just keep it in case it gets worn out because I'm wearing it too much. And that's what's happened with Quint's cashmere sweater that I bought from there. It has become a staple to my wardrobe and I've needed another one and I'm worried about if it gets worn and then I can't find it. So I just buy another one.
That way I can just keep it in case it gets worn out because I'm wearing it too much. And that's what's happened with Quint's cashmere sweater that I bought from there. It has become a staple to my wardrobe and I've needed another one and I'm worried about if it gets worn and then I can't find it. So I just buy another one.
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Then we got the receiving end of Sirens, which then Casey left that band to start the Deer Hunter.
Then we got the receiving end of Sirens, which then Casey left that band to start the Deer Hunter.
Alright, so then we're going to go Pacific Northwest. Because there is... All these bands would tour with each other. And I think you would come into these markets and they... I saw Gatsby's American Dream at that same VFW that Fall Out Boy was playing at. So you just watched the shows that were coming through and really just go to any of the ones. Yeah.
Alright, so then we're going to go Pacific Northwest. Because there is... All these bands would tour with each other. And I think you would come into these markets and they... I saw Gatsby's American Dream at that same VFW that Fall Out Boy was playing at. So you just watched the shows that were coming through and really just go to any of the ones. Yeah.
I've seen probably almost all of these bands live.
I've seen probably almost all of these bands live.
So, we've got Gatsby's American Dream, which is Kirk from Real Dawn, who played our Seattle show.
So, we've got Gatsby's American Dream, which is Kirk from Real Dawn, who played our Seattle show.
And we've got Rudy from Susilo, the drummer. Oh my god, this is like Inception level. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you've got Forgive Durden, which is another Seattle band. Days Away, which they were another Feel By Ramen band. Acceptance. And then we go to like LA, Arizona, Nevada area. I know three out of four. Say anything. So Max Bemis is the singer of this band.
And we've got Rudy from Susilo, the drummer. Oh my god, this is like Inception level. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you've got Forgive Durden, which is another Seattle band. Days Away, which they were another Feel By Ramen band. Acceptance. And then we go to like LA, Arizona, Nevada area. I know three out of four. Say anything. So Max Bemis is the singer of this band.
They were cooler emo, like intellectual emo. I think I remember.
They were cooler emo, like intellectual emo. I think I remember.
In high school. Like they were like the cool emo band.
In high school. Like they were like the cool emo band.
A bit more heady A bit more heady There was just something different A little edgier One song was spoken word Him talking about all these cliques That he didn't want to be a part of Then we got Pierce the Veil I spoke for this episode I spoke to Vic for Pierce the Veil We'll play that a little bit later Vic took me to my first emo night Like 2-3 months ago This is all folding in on itself
A bit more heady A bit more heady There was just something different A little edgier One song was spoken word Him talking about all these cliques That he didn't want to be a part of Then we got Pierce the Veil I spoke for this episode I spoke to Vic for Pierce the Veil We'll play that a little bit later Vic took me to my first emo night Like 2-3 months ago This is all folding in on itself
yeah they've all been or australia yeah i do i feel like there's some shared dna yeah of new zealand to this emo world oh i i get like new zealand absolutely was on board with the emo scene like in a very big just like sad boy music that everyone could relate to yeah we're just trying to relate to our emotions you know we're desperately trying and emo music helped us
yeah they've all been or australia yeah i do i feel like there's some shared dna yeah of new zealand to this emo world oh i i get like new zealand absolutely was on board with the emo scene like in a very big just like sad boy music that everyone could relate to yeah we're just trying to relate to our emotions you know we're desperately trying and emo music helped us
And a fun backstory. I think a tornado ripped through his town yesterday. Oh, God. And he lost power. And he just got that finished like 20 minutes ago.
And a fun backstory. I think a tornado ripped through his town yesterday. Oh, God. And he lost power. And he just got that finished like 20 minutes ago.
I reached out to a lot of these people that I still know in this world.
I reached out to a lot of these people that I still know in this world.
So I wanted to kind of get their take on how they feel about the term emo. So maybe after we get through... Oh, I love this.
So I wanted to kind of get their take on how they feel about the term emo. So maybe after we get through... Oh, I love this.
It was more like, do you think Say Anything was an emo band?
It was more like, do you think Say Anything was an emo band?
Good responses from everyone. But there was like three clear buckets that people landed in.
Good responses from everyone. But there was like three clear buckets that people landed in.
I do remember Pete was kind of an anomaly, because he was like the front man of the band, but he wasn't the lead singer.
I do remember Pete was kind of an anomaly, because he was like the front man of the band, but he wasn't the lead singer.
I feel like almost out of every topic, I don't want to say an expert at it because I think the term can be debated. Yeah. But I know a lot about this era. That was growing up in the suburbs of Chicago. Right. A lot of emo music, I think, came from there.
I feel like almost out of every topic, I don't want to say an expert at it because I think the term can be debated. Yeah. But I know a lot about this era. That was growing up in the suburbs of Chicago. Right. A lot of emo music, I think, came from there.
What is an emo? Those are good. I like the... I mean, maybe that's just how I sounded the last half hour, but... someone trying to speak technically on like just the stereotypes of like I mean the long hair swoop and the lip ring and the like guy liner was definitely a thing um
What is an emo? Those are good. I like the... I mean, maybe that's just how I sounded the last half hour, but... someone trying to speak technically on like just the stereotypes of like I mean the long hair swoop and the lip ring and the like guy liner was definitely a thing um
I was letting him crash at our house. And I was like, all right, I guess. Just like the old days. I'll come to this. And yeah, I think they bring in, this was like some emo night festival. So they ended up having a lot of bands playing too.
I was letting him crash at our house. And I was like, all right, I guess. Just like the old days. I'll come to this. And yeah, I think they bring in, this was like some emo night festival. So they ended up having a lot of bands playing too.
I think it's a new generation of it, too. Because everyone is young.
I think it's a new generation of it, too. Because everyone is young.
Damar recently went and DJed. Really, they're just picking their favorite songs from that era of music. So Vic made me come up on... It was a double-decker bus with a DJ booth on top of... He dragged you up? Yeah, he dragged me up with him. I love this for you so much. Which was my nightmare.
Damar recently went and DJed. Really, they're just picking their favorite songs from that era of music. So Vic made me come up on... It was a double-decker bus with a DJ booth on top of... He dragged you up? Yeah, he dragged me up with him. I love this for you so much. Which was my nightmare.
So it's like me just trying to like hide behind him as he's playing a Spotify playlist.
So it's like me just trying to like hide behind him as he's playing a Spotify playlist.
Well, I think also the lines are blurred between emo music and pop punk. I think that's where a lot of debate about emo music comes.
Well, I think also the lines are blurred between emo music and pop punk. I think that's where a lot of debate about emo music comes.
Alright, so I made a little presentation. Oh my god, Rob. There is so much within this genre. Yeah. That, I mean, on our drive to Bend...
Alright, so I made a little presentation. Oh my god, Rob. There is so much within this genre. Yeah. That, I mean, on our drive to Bend...
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That you were ashamed of doing. And now it's almost you're ashamed if you're not in touch with your feelings and talking to someone about it.
That you were ashamed of doing. And now it's almost you're ashamed if you're not in touch with your feelings and talking to someone about it.
It was just a dump of like, let's bounce around from music.
It was just a dump of like, let's bounce around from music.
And the nice thing is you can easily switch therapists at any time if it's not the right fit at no extra cost.
And the nice thing is you can easily switch therapists at any time if it's not the right fit at no extra cost.
I think they do touch on something that is kind of important in this whole thing and is just the nostalgia factor of this generation.
I think they do touch on something that is kind of important in this whole thing and is just the nostalgia factor of this generation.
Well, and I remember like part of the scene at that era was like sidekick phones.
Well, and I remember like part of the scene at that era was like sidekick phones.
It was like a smart, one of those first smartphones. They were like BlackBerry and you had sidekicks. Sidekicks were like what the kids had and it would like flip open and you had a keyboard and like you weren't really quite at this plugged in age of technology yet, but it was kind of there.
It was like a smart, one of those first smartphones. They were like BlackBerry and you had sidekicks. Sidekicks were like what the kids had and it would like flip open and you had a keyboard and like you weren't really quite at this plugged in age of technology yet, but it was kind of there.
yeah right you had myspace and pure volume what is pure volume i know myspace i had a myspace page pure volume was uh like a music website right and they would have the like top bands it was kind of like spotify okay at that time but i remember the charts being like a big thing you'd get like featured on pure volume and you'd see these bands kind of
yeah right you had myspace and pure volume what is pure volume i know myspace i had a myspace page pure volume was uh like a music website right and they would have the like top bands it was kind of like spotify okay at that time but i remember the charts being like a big thing you'd get like featured on pure volume and you'd see these bands kind of
I'll be like, I want to finish this track. So as a result of that, I didn't want this just turn into rambling and sounding like an idiot without any coherent through line. I love this. So I put together a little mini presentation before we get to your doc stuff.
I'll be like, I want to finish this track. So as a result of that, I didn't want this just turn into rambling and sounding like an idiot without any coherent through line. I love this. So I put together a little mini presentation before we get to your doc stuff.
You had MySpace friends. And I think to me that was like... Finally bridging this gap of, like, connecting to these artists. You were messaging and commenting with them.
You had MySpace friends. And I think to me that was like... Finally bridging this gap of, like, connecting to these artists. You were messaging and commenting with them.
That's how I've got a lot of, like, work designing shirts, was just, like, I'd hit up bands, I'd message them on Myspace and be like, can I design...
That's how I've got a lot of, like, work designing shirts, was just, like, I'd hit up bands, I'd message them on Myspace and be like, can I design...
Yeah, I wonder if they're remixing it enough that it becomes okay.
Yeah, I wonder if they're remixing it enough that it becomes okay.
So Nick, that did our theme song, told me that Morgan and TJ specifically have helped him kind of come to terms with emo and what it is and embracing it. Oh, right. Not being like, not being... Not being ashamed of it. And I think, I think everyone is so far beyond... No, and it's that nostalgia thing.
So Nick, that did our theme song, told me that Morgan and TJ specifically have helped him kind of come to terms with emo and what it is and embracing it. Oh, right. Not being like, not being... Not being ashamed of it. And I think, I think everyone is so far beyond... No, and it's that nostalgia thing.
It's really interesting that it's finding the next generation. Yeah, it's incredible. I went to see Fall Out Boy for the first time in 15 years when they did a stadium show a year or two ago.
It's really interesting that it's finding the next generation. Yeah, it's incredible. I went to see Fall Out Boy for the first time in 15 years when they did a stadium show a year or two ago.
Just on my thoughts on emo and my journey through it and what I think about it.
Just on my thoughts on emo and my journey through it and what I think about it.
Yeah, it's just like... It was funny to me to see them playing this song that I remember...
Yeah, it's just like... It was funny to me to see them playing this song that I remember...
He's their second kid, but he's also doing a massive tour. They're doing three nights at the Forum in LA that have sold out, which is 18,000 people each night. So that, again, huge.
He's their second kid, but he's also doing a massive tour. They're doing three nights at the Forum in LA that have sold out, which is 18,000 people each night. So that, again, huge.
festival i remember i went i was selling merch at one of 2005 and um there was this my i think it was a myspace minivan stage which is this pink van that they converted into a stage and paramore played it oh my god little power to like 15 people and then our merch table was right there and we were right next to their merch table that's freaking surreal it's like emo coachella kind of yeah
festival i remember i went i was selling merch at one of 2005 and um there was this my i think it was a myspace minivan stage which is this pink van that they converted into a stage and paramore played it oh my god little power to like 15 people and then our merch table was right there and we were right next to their merch table that's freaking surreal it's like emo coachella kind of yeah
And it was all over the country. I do remember, though, it being like a really grueling tour for bands to do if you weren't on a bus. I'd have friends that would try to do that. Just driving around. And it's driving through the night for like a call time the next morning in the next city. And like, unless you had a driver, it was a beat down to do.
And it was all over the country. I do remember, though, it being like a really grueling tour for bands to do if you weren't on a bus. I'd have friends that would try to do that. Just driving around. And it's driving through the night for like a call time the next morning in the next city. And like, unless you had a driver, it was a beat down to do.
Yeah, that's Connor Elbers, though, from Bright Eyes.
Yeah, that's Connor Elbers, though, from Bright Eyes.
I mean, I guess... They asked if it was me? Yeah.
I mean, I guess... They asked if it was me? Yeah.
I just thought, yeah, it does look a lot like you. Well, speaking of playlists, we did make a playlist for this episode that we kind of dumped a song from all of these bands that we've been rambling off. So go into the show notes and you can find a link to this playlist.
I just thought, yeah, it does look a lot like you. Well, speaking of playlists, we did make a playlist for this episode that we kind of dumped a song from all of these bands that we've been rambling off. So go into the show notes and you can find a link to this playlist.
Yeah, I guess I do remember that being a little bit of a thing. Not in mass like that, though.
Yeah, I guess I do remember that being a little bit of a thing. Not in mass like that, though.
I feel like my high school at that time, there were like 10 emo kids. Really?
I feel like my high school at that time, there were like 10 emo kids. Really?
Yeah, there were more emo kids than goth kids at my high school, for sure. There was like three goth kids.
Yeah, there were more emo kids than goth kids at my high school, for sure. There was like three goth kids.
Well, I feel like the goths maybe had a reputation of being a little angrier. Yeah. And the emo kids were just like quiet and sad. Yeah.
Well, I feel like the goths maybe had a reputation of being a little angrier. Yeah. And the emo kids were just like quiet and sad. Yeah.
I talked about this a little bit earlier. I feel like emo, I feel like emo music was kind of a gateway into all these different genres. Cause I remember like making friends with this Japanese kid that loved rancid. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like listening to them. And then it eventually like, that's how I found Mars Volta was someone within that.
I talked about this a little bit earlier. I feel like emo, I feel like emo music was kind of a gateway into all these different genres. Cause I remember like making friends with this Japanese kid that loved rancid. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like listening to them. And then it eventually like, that's how I found Mars Volta was someone within that.
One of the dudes within that group, like Francis, the mute came out and we both were like, this record is yeah. Yeah.
One of the dudes within that group, like Francis, the mute came out and we both were like, this record is yeah. Yeah.
But I also think at that time it wasn't super judgmental. Like the whole point of it was people were sick of being judged and there was this openness to kind of these other genres that splintered off from it.
But I also think at that time it wasn't super judgmental. Like the whole point of it was people were sick of being judged and there was this openness to kind of these other genres that splintered off from it.
And I also think the way people take that music in, like going to shows like that... even compared to shows I will go to now, like, the level of emotion that people are having at, like, a club with 1,000 people in it instead of a stadium with 18,000, like... It can feel so big when everyone knows every word of every song. It's like church, right?
And I also think the way people take that music in, like going to shows like that... even compared to shows I will go to now, like, the level of emotion that people are having at, like, a club with 1,000 people in it instead of a stadium with 18,000, like... It can feel so big when everyone knows every word of every song. It's like church, right?
So has anyone taste tested? Does it taste like cum?
So has anyone taste tested? Does it taste like cum?
and like you'll be silently judging them from the sidelines being like no i know no i mean calvin i've gotten lucky like calvin comes to a lot of his like his first concert was portugal the man and alt j and then oh my god yeah now you're guiding him down a path yeah he's seen some cool concerts and like vincent when he was i think six months old saw andrew bird play in a backyard oh my god this is absolutely ridiculous yeah
and like you'll be silently judging them from the sidelines being like no i know no i mean calvin i've gotten lucky like calvin comes to a lot of his like his first concert was portugal the man and alt j and then oh my god yeah now you're guiding him down a path yeah he's seen some cool concerts and like vincent when he was i think six months old saw andrew bird play in a backyard oh my god this is absolutely ridiculous yeah
Does he think it tastes like cum or just smells like cum?
Does he think it tastes like cum or just smells like cum?
All right, so we teased this earlier on when I was putting together my presentation for this episode. I decided to just text a lot of these people that I still am friends with and talk to.
All right, so we teased this earlier on when I was putting together my presentation for this episode. I decided to just text a lot of these people that I still am friends with and talk to.
Yes. Everyone kind of filed into three different categories. Wow.
Yes. Everyone kind of filed into three different categories. Wow.
So these were people that were kind of anti-emo. Okay. So Rocky Votolato. Okay. I personally would consider my solo records more indie folk or singer-songwriter albums. But coming out of the punk and hardcore world and having so many friends related to that scene, I could see why some people might call it that. And that's fine with me as well.
So these were people that were kind of anti-emo. Okay. So Rocky Votolato. Okay. I personally would consider my solo records more indie folk or singer-songwriter albums. But coming out of the punk and hardcore world and having so many friends related to that scene, I could see why some people might call it that. And that's fine with me as well.
These days, I'm fine with people calling my music whatever genre they want, as long as they listen to it and hopefully come to a show.
These days, I'm fine with people calling my music whatever genre they want, as long as they listen to it and hopefully come to a show.
So Damar told me in regards to plain white tees, I'd ask, is Jimmy world an emo band? Because that's what they sounded like when I first heard them. And they were a part of the DIY Chicago scene.
So Damar told me in regards to plain white tees, I'd ask, is Jimmy world an emo band? Because that's what they sounded like when I first heard them. And they were a part of the DIY Chicago scene.
We did have a... Because Jimmy E. Whirl isn't an emo band. Or are they? I would consider them. But then I also told him, I was like, you don't think Hey There Delilah is like quintessential emo?
We did have a... Because Jimmy E. Whirl isn't an emo band. Or are they? I would consider them. But then I also told him, I was like, you don't think Hey There Delilah is like quintessential emo?
I get lots of cum tree stuff forwarded to me. So I don't watch all of them because a lot of them are the same.
I get lots of cum tree stuff forwarded to me. So I don't watch all of them because a lot of them are the same.
People really resonated with this question, which is what I liked. You know, it's great. I did like one or two and was like, let's see. And then I was like, oh, this is... Because I thought you would just get an answer back like, no, we're not emo.
People really resonated with this question, which is what I liked. You know, it's great. I did like one or two and was like, let's see. And then I was like, oh, this is... Because I thought you would just get an answer back like, no, we're not emo.
Emo music had a lot of rough lyrics. It was like a lot about suicide and cutting your wrists. Right.
Emo music had a lot of rough lyrics. It was like a lot about suicide and cutting your wrists. Right.
Yeah, and I can see now the demonization of women.
Yeah, and I can see now the demonization of women.
I think a lot of it didn't come from that. And it was more heartbreak.
I think a lot of it didn't come from that. And it was more heartbreak.
I don't know. Maybe I'm looking at it with the wrong lens. But to me, I don't... You're going back to that first breakup.
I don't know. Maybe I'm looking at it with the wrong lens. But to me, I don't... You're going back to that first breakup.
You know music too much as like a misogynistic, like anti-woman thing. Because there were still also bands like Paramore and... So this last quote that he's given you here. This is a line from, I guess, his American Dream song.
You know music too much as like a misogynistic, like anti-woman thing. Because there were still also bands like Paramore and... So this last quote that he's given you here. This is a line from, I guess, his American Dream song.
Okay, so the receiving end of sirens. I asked Andrew.
Okay, so the receiving end of sirens. I asked Andrew.
Yeah. He's lived through this music. Like, he's been a part of this. He was in... There's Steven and the Sirens, A Rocket to the Moon. He plays with Dan and Shay now. Right. Which is like a country band. Right. So he has a good interpretation, I think. Yeah, I think he's accepted it more. All right. So then I asked Vic if he would call Pierce the Veil an emo band.
Yeah. He's lived through this music. Like, he's been a part of this. He was in... There's Steven and the Sirens, A Rocket to the Moon. He plays with Dan and Shay now. Right. Which is like a country band. Right. So he has a good interpretation, I think. Yeah, I think he's accepted it more. All right. So then I asked Vic if he would call Pierce the Veil an emo band.
He said, well, that's a loaded question. I think... For the purpose of the show, you can totally call us an emo band. We definitely fit that category since we grew up in it. Typically, if I'm in an Uber, I just say heavy rock or alternative rock because I don't think they'll know what emo is. We self-proclaimed ourselves as a made-up genre called Mexicor.
He said, well, that's a loaded question. I think... For the purpose of the show, you can totally call us an emo band. We definitely fit that category since we grew up in it. Typically, if I'm in an Uber, I just say heavy rock or alternative rock because I don't think they'll know what emo is. We self-proclaimed ourselves as a made-up genre called Mexicor.
Because we got sick of people asking what type of music we play.
Because we got sick of people asking what type of music we play.
And I asked Bob Morris if he'd call The Hush Sound an emo band.
And I asked Bob Morris if he'd call The Hush Sound an emo band.
Ben from Armor for Sleep said, ha, that's a loaded question, but yes, in the grand scheme of things, I do consider ourselves an emo band.
Ben from Armor for Sleep said, ha, that's a loaded question, but yes, in the grand scheme of things, I do consider ourselves an emo band.
I think there's been this acceptance with a lot of this. And then Nick, again, theme song, do you consider The Spill Canvas an emo band? No.
I think there's been this acceptance with a lot of this. And then Nick, again, theme song, do you consider The Spill Canvas an emo band? No.
Got two last ones. And these are, I think, the people that really embraced it. So, Max Bemis, I asked him if he would consider saying anything about a band. Big time. I just think a lot of bands are emo. That are kind of not. I mean, the song Wonderwall by Oasis is emo. Weezer is emo. Drake is emo. Roy Orbee.
Got two last ones. And these are, I think, the people that really embraced it. So, Max Bemis, I asked him if he would consider saying anything about a band. Big time. I just think a lot of bands are emo. That are kind of not. I mean, the song Wonderwall by Oasis is emo. Weezer is emo. Drake is emo. Roy Orbee.
Well, so for emo music for me, when you get down to it, to me, I always considered it more of a dude with a guitar singing about being lovesick. Okay. And then I think it kind of took on this...
Well, so for emo music for me, when you get down to it, to me, I always considered it more of a dude with a guitar singing about being lovesick. Okay. And then I think it kind of took on this...
He's an emo elder. I would put Justin up there too. Really appreciate that. You tour with all those bands.
He's an emo elder. I would put Justin up there too. Really appreciate that. You tour with all those bands.
bigger meaning which i do think was a lot about the music scene in these different regions that came out of it and it is more of like a time and a place to me than it was a larger genre because all these bands are touring together right and there's like there's a reason obviously that it came out of america and you're saying that this setting has a lot to do with what generated this stuff in the first place yeah yeah so i'm wanted to start with just
bigger meaning which i do think was a lot about the music scene in these different regions that came out of it and it is more of like a time and a place to me than it was a larger genre because all these bands are touring together right and there's like there's a reason obviously that it came out of america and you're saying that this setting has a lot to do with what generated this stuff in the first place yeah yeah so i'm wanted to start with just
some people don't have an inner monologue yeah i've heard that too that's what's going on in there how can you not have that or just what your inner monologue is like i've heard some people say it's like a drill sergeant coach and yeah cheerleader and is yours just you i think so or someone else i think mine's me it's me just prattling on like i'm prattling on now it's like i have to suffer through me every second
some people don't have an inner monologue yeah i've heard that too that's what's going on in there how can you not have that or just what your inner monologue is like i've heard some people say it's like a drill sergeant coach and yeah cheerleader and is yours just you i think so or someone else i think mine's me it's me just prattling on like i'm prattling on now it's like i have to suffer through me every second
anxiously talking. I think we're very similar.
anxiously talking. I think we're very similar.
There was a lot of feedback to the autism episode. There was one point that I think resonated Regarding the girlfriend in the episode, her bluntness, which was it seemed like something that a lot of people maybe with autism would appreciate that bluntness since there is social cues that are hard for them to read.
There was a lot of feedback to the autism episode. There was one point that I think resonated Regarding the girlfriend in the episode, her bluntness, which was it seemed like something that a lot of people maybe with autism would appreciate that bluntness since there is social cues that are hard for them to read.
Yeah, like not having to read into these things. Like, that bluntness is helpful for people that have that condition.
Yeah, like not having to read into these things. Like, that bluntness is helpful for people that have that condition.
I just found it interesting, like, how it could have been misconstrued or we even, both of us took it.
I just found it interesting, like, how it could have been misconstrued or we even, both of us took it.
in this case to where, to me, if someone was talking to me like that, it would make me insecure and I would feel like I was being talked down to.
in this case to where, to me, if someone was talking to me like that, it would make me insecure and I would feel like I was being talked down to.
Emo elders, like, who I would consider... Emo elders is such a great term. It's a term. Who I would consider, like, top five emo bands to me. Not necessarily, like, my favorite. So that's not a whole other thing. Preference. Emo music, to me, was a nice, like, gateway into... Other genres and other music. It was a really meaningful genre to me at that time. Because it was...
Emo elders, like, who I would consider... Emo elders is such a great term. It's a term. Who I would consider, like, top five emo bands to me. Not necessarily, like, my favorite. So that's not a whole other thing. Preference. Emo music, to me, was a nice, like, gateway into... Other genres and other music. It was a really meaningful genre to me at that time. Because it was...
I mean, I guess if they're burying them, you would think it was just like a gravesite of... Yeah, so a human, not a Bigfoot.
I mean, I guess if they're burying them, you would think it was just like a gravesite of... Yeah, so a human, not a Bigfoot.
And they're in such densely... Yeah, densely wooded areas.
And they're in such densely... Yeah, densely wooded areas.
Yeah, that's where they are. They're living in homes within the mountains there.
Yeah, that's where they are. They're living in homes within the mountains there.
Good, good. I mean, I'm almost convinced that...
Good, good. I mean, I'm almost convinced that...
Vic recorded us a special song to take us out of the episode. I love Vic. Here's a version of Bulletproof, recorded just for Flightless Bird listeners.
Vic recorded us a special song to take us out of the episode. I love Vic. Here's a version of Bulletproof, recorded just for Flightless Bird listeners.
Yeah, well, and before that, I remember, like, when I was younger, I listened to a lot of, like, rap and, like, hip-hop stuff. And I think it made me... I had a hard time controlling my emotions as a result of it. Like it riled me up too much. It like made me angry, I think. Yeah. And temperamental. Yeah, right. And like this music really kind of helped a lot.
Yeah, well, and before that, I remember, like, when I was younger, I listened to a lot of, like, rap and, like, hip-hop stuff. And I think it made me... I had a hard time controlling my emotions as a result of it. Like it riled me up too much. It like made me angry, I think. Yeah. And temperamental. Yeah, right. And like this music really kind of helped a lot.
What they're singing about is so much different. And like what, what the lyric, lyrically is, is so much different.
What they're singing about is so much different. And like what, what the lyric, lyrically is, is so much different.
So then, I think, seventh grade, I remember very distinctly that there was this weird, like, punk kid in one of my classes, had a burned CD, and I asked him what it was, and he was like... He got real cagey and was like, no one would like this. It's my favorite band, but you wouldn't get it. And I remember he let me listen to it. And it was Dashboard Confessional.
So then, I think, seventh grade, I remember very distinctly that there was this weird, like, punk kid in one of my classes, had a burned CD, and I asked him what it was, and he was like... He got real cagey and was like, no one would like this. It's my favorite band, but you wouldn't get it. And I remember he let me listen to it. And it was Dashboard Confessional.
And that was my first introduction to emo music. And I think to me, that is emo music. It was him with the guitar singing. This was one of their songs. Yeah.
And that was my first introduction to emo music. And I think to me, that is emo music. It was him with the guitar singing. This was one of their songs. Yeah.
Yeah. Another fun thing I realized when putting this together, Aaron Paul's in the music video for that song. Oh, this is incredible. Young Aaron Paul on MTV2.
Yeah. Another fun thing I realized when putting this together, Aaron Paul's in the music video for that song. Oh, this is incredible. Young Aaron Paul on MTV2.
That was my... You're not that much older than me.
That was my... You're not that much older than me.
Alright, so next was Spill Canvas. I've never heard of Spill Canvas. That's who did our theme song. Oh, amazing. So, I remember hearing... I think like freshman year of high school, I heard about this from a friend and he would just play like these house shows around the suburbs. He's from Sioux Falls.
Alright, so next was Spill Canvas. I've never heard of Spill Canvas. That's who did our theme song. Oh, amazing. So, I remember hearing... I think like freshman year of high school, I heard about this from a friend and he would just play like these house shows around the suburbs. He's from Sioux Falls.
But yeah, he would tour around and just do these house shows. And right around this time, I started getting into graphic design.
But yeah, he would tour around and just do these house shows. And right around this time, I started getting into graphic design.
So I ended up designing t-shirts for him. Okay, out of town. My foray into a lot of this music was designing shirts for these bands. Like Fall Out Boy was one of the bands that I would design shirts for. No way. Yeah, in my sophomore year graphic design class.
So I ended up designing t-shirts for him. Okay, out of town. My foray into a lot of this music was designing shirts for these bands. Like Fall Out Boy was one of the bands that I would design shirts for. No way. Yeah, in my sophomore year graphic design class.
That informed a lot, too, was, like, seeing these bands from the neighborhood. Yeah. They were a little bit older than me, usually, but that we'd see at, like, the VFW or the Teen Center, they'd play shows. Fall Out Boy was one of those that, like, seeing them come from, like, watching them play at Tower Records and the record shop down the street and the VFW was...
That informed a lot, too, was, like, seeing these bands from the neighborhood. Yeah. They were a little bit older than me, usually, but that we'd see at, like, the VFW or the Teen Center, they'd play shows. Fall Out Boy was one of those that, like, seeing them come from, like, watching them play at Tower Records and the record shop down the street and the VFW was...
to then, like, they're on Jimmy Kimmel and TRL.
to then, like, they're on Jimmy Kimmel and TRL.
I think it was informative to just see, like, oh, that can happen.
I think it was informative to just see, like, oh, that can happen.
Yeah. We are going to be in Portland on April 13th.
Yeah. We are going to be in Portland on April 13th.
I'm excited. I'm going to go eat at Cannes.
I'm excited. I'm going to go eat at Cannes.
godfather of all we're dealing with now kind of like the parallels of this and hearing about this with what's happening now is is very bleak like the i mean just how they vetted all the media and like oh yeah pinned it as yeah this in factual
godfather of all we're dealing with now kind of like the parallels of this and hearing about this with what's happening now is is very bleak like the i mean just how they vetted all the media and like oh yeah pinned it as yeah this in factual
I mean, just, like, how deep and diabolical all of it is. All of it is just, like...
I mean, just, like, how deep and diabolical all of it is. All of it is just, like...
to get compliance and obedience from people in the future of like break these kids to train them to be humans that when they're older that we can control and that we have these like masses that won't ask questions it follows through into adulthood it's like creating these compliant people who are always looking for an authority figure to tell them what to do yeah
to get compliance and obedience from people in the future of like break these kids to train them to be humans that when they're older that we can control and that we have these like masses that won't ask questions it follows through into adulthood it's like creating these compliant people who are always looking for an authority figure to tell them what to do yeah
And that won't question authority when authority is doing something fucked up or wrong. Just, oh, I'm going to believe what they say and I'm going to do and comply with what they want.
And that won't question authority when authority is doing something fucked up or wrong. Just, oh, I'm going to believe what they say and I'm going to do and comply with what they want.
Yeah. I mean, the connection to the lobbyist stuff just seems so prevalent today.
Yeah. I mean, the connection to the lobbyist stuff just seems so prevalent today.
A little dangerous to touch. It's dangerous and it's just so big.
A little dangerous to touch. It's dangerous and it's just so big.
And then on April 18th, we're going to be in San Francisco at the Palace of Fine Arts Theatre, which is also very beautiful.
And then on April 18th, we're going to be in San Francisco at the Palace of Fine Arts Theatre, which is also very beautiful.
You're talking about the Radiohead song?
You're talking about the Radiohead song?
Different thing. They had that song, uh... It was like on the Benz tour, I think. Yeah. They debuted it. Right. And then it eventually came on a moon-shaped pool. Right. But I had a friend that had True Love Weights tattooed on his neck.
Different thing. They had that song, uh... It was like on the Benz tour, I think. Yeah. They debuted it. Right. And then it eventually came on a moon-shaped pool. Right. But I had a friend that had True Love Weights tattooed on his neck.
It was a Radiohead tattoo, but he also grew up with a religious family, so his mom thought it was like, I'm waiting for marriage. Parents loved it. Really good.
It was a Radiohead tattoo, but he also grew up with a religious family, so his mom thought it was like, I'm waiting for marriage. Parents loved it. Really good.
Did you guys have VeggieTales? That was the church programming I remember. I think we did. I looked up Adventures in Odyssey and it looked a little familiar.
Did you guys have VeggieTales? That was the church programming I remember. I think we did. I looked up Adventures in Odyssey and it looked a little familiar.
That rings a bell. VeggieTales was the one. It's like a massive, I think they're still making.
That rings a bell. VeggieTales was the one. It's like a massive, I think they're still making.
I have a friend. He's got a band, Jaws of Love. So I would... Oh, amazing.
I have a friend. He's got a band, Jaws of Love. So I would... Oh, amazing.
I just mean more, was it like Disney or like a record label coming and putting this boy band together?
I just mean more, was it like Disney or like a record label coming and putting this boy band together?
And some of the philosophies also sounded familiar.
And some of the philosophies also sounded familiar.
Music is so much a part of a church. My mom still plays the flute at the church. Oh, that's really cute.
Music is so much a part of a church. My mom still plays the flute at the church. Oh, that's really cute.
I texted my dad during this doc to ask if he knew about Dobson. Oh, and had he heard of it? No. He somehow missed it. Missed it. But the church that they took us to, it was always like a pretty progressive church. So I feel like they would have shied away from something this strict.
I texted my dad during this doc to ask if he knew about Dobson. Oh, and had he heard of it? No. He somehow missed it. Missed it. But the church that they took us to, it was always like a pretty progressive church. So I feel like they would have shied away from something this strict.
It was maybe like generationally what his parents did. Yeah. Would have been more about.
It was maybe like generationally what his parents did. Yeah. Would have been more about.
A little bit, but then I think they realized that that was not the route. It wasn't the way to go. I think especially my brother liked being spanked when he was little. Are you just doing this to get at your brother right now?
A little bit, but then I think they realized that that was not the route. It wasn't the way to go. I think especially my brother liked being spanked when he was little. Are you just doing this to get at your brother right now?
Did he do a lot of litigation against people smearing his name? I don't know if it just went over my head that he's not a known terrible person.
Did he do a lot of litigation against people smearing his name? I don't know if it just went over my head that he's not a known terrible person.
How was he not seen as more of an evil figurehead in today's world?
How was he not seen as more of an evil figurehead in today's world?
So powerful. More than two million copies sold of this book.
So powerful. More than two million copies sold of this book.
I got one for you. Hit me. What is bisexuality and why are we hearing so much about it now? I love this. What does James Sullivan have to say? A bisexual is someone who participates in both heterosexual and homosexual acts of passion. At the time of this writing, bisexuality is the fad among swingers. It is getting enormous amounts of publicity in...
I got one for you. Hit me. What is bisexuality and why are we hearing so much about it now? I love this. What does James Sullivan have to say? A bisexual is someone who participates in both heterosexual and homosexual acts of passion. At the time of this writing, bisexuality is the fad among swingers. It is getting enormous amounts of publicity in...
Yeah, I mean, these all just seem like brainwashing tips for parenting. It is.
Yeah, I mean, these all just seem like brainwashing tips for parenting. It is.
And the fact that he's a psychologist? That's what legitimized him.
And the fact that he's a psychologist? That's what legitimized him.
He would swear a lot as a kid, and, like, his punishment was, like, soap in the mouth. Oh my god, that's kind of amazing. Which then he, like... was fine with. So then it became like hot sauce instead. What? Hot sauce in the mouth? Tabasco.
He would swear a lot as a kid, and, like, his punishment was, like, soap in the mouth. Oh my god, that's kind of amazing. Which then he, like... was fine with. So then it became like hot sauce instead. What? Hot sauce in the mouth? Tabasco.
Well, and then you go to the Mike Pence's. Oh, yeah. And just how prevalent this type of thinking still is of people in power and people with control.
Well, and then you go to the Mike Pence's. Oh, yeah. And just how prevalent this type of thinking still is of people in power and people with control.
Yeah, I mean, even the fact of calling it settling.
Yeah, I mean, even the fact of calling it settling.
The timing of our Kanye episode was kind of crazy.
The timing of our Kanye episode was kind of crazy.
Yeah, drawing to his website. Yeah. They had a bunch of stuff up on it, but then... Eventually all that was left was the swastika t-shirt.
Yeah, drawing to his website. Yeah. They had a bunch of stuff up on it, but then... Eventually all that was left was the swastika t-shirt.
I also saw that he sold like $65,000 worth of that shirt. So people are buying them? Yeah.
I also saw that he sold like $65,000 worth of that shirt. So people are buying them? Yeah.
I still think it's a stretch to purchase that tee to support your artist. Well, Natalie and I had that conversation too. At first, it was Kanye fans that were going to that site because of the Super Bowl commercial. They were like, oh, what am I going to get? I like him. Merch drop. And his merch is huge. What percentage of Kanye fans would want a swastika shirt is probably fairly low.
I still think it's a stretch to purchase that tee to support your artist. Well, Natalie and I had that conversation too. At first, it was Kanye fans that were going to that site because of the Super Bowl commercial. They were like, oh, what am I going to get? I like him. Merch drop. And his merch is huge. What percentage of Kanye fans would want a swastika shirt is probably fairly low.
I think low. But then the media and the news picked up that he did this. So then, what, probably a bunch of white supremacists went and bought these shirts?
I think low. But then the media and the news picked up that he did this. So then, what, probably a bunch of white supremacists went and bought these shirts?
We talked about this in the episode, too. White supremacists... Probably don't want to buy a shirt from Kanye because he's not white.
We talked about this in the episode, too. White supremacists... Probably don't want to buy a shirt from Kanye because he's not white.
And then I also did read that his wife is leaving him.
And then I also did read that his wife is leaving him.
No, I don't think I was spanked that often either.
No, I don't think I was spanked that often either.
Yeah, she never looks happy in any of these.
Yeah, she never looks happy in any of these.
I'm just glad some crazy news on Gallagher didn't come out the day after we recorded that.
I'm just glad some crazy news on Gallagher didn't come out the day after we recorded that.
Yeah, and don't expect there to be that big of a change in the wind.
Yeah, and don't expect there to be that big of a change in the wind.
That reminds me, Calvin told me about Bloody Mary.
That reminds me, Calvin told me about Bloody Mary.
It's going to be April 13th in Portland and April 18th in San Francisco. Great.
It's going to be April 13th in Portland and April 18th in San Francisco. Great.
Oh, you don't know about Bloody Mary?
Oh, you don't know about Bloody Mary?
It's like an urban legend where you go say Bloody Mary three times, look in the mirror and turn the lights off, and she appears. Oh. He told me that scientists... It's like Candyman.
It's like an urban legend where you go say Bloody Mary three times, look in the mirror and turn the lights off, and she appears. Oh. He told me that scientists... It's like Candyman.
yeah yeah that scientists have done it and like proved it so if he was just so matter of fact about scientists have done scientists have done this yeah and and bloody mayor it's real and seen her oh he's so earnest that's have we checked scientists haven't done this i did it as a kid
yeah yeah that scientists have done it and like proved it so if he was just so matter of fact about scientists have done scientists have done this yeah and and bloody mayor it's real and seen her oh he's so earnest that's have we checked scientists haven't done this i did it as a kid
Yeah, we had to... We had to stop having Calvin watch Ryan's World. Okay, what is Ryan's World? He's just this kid making YouTube videos and his parents like taking him everywhere. And Calvin wants to go do this and that and this. And we were like, no more Ryan's World.
Yeah, we had to... We had to stop having Calvin watch Ryan's World. Okay, what is Ryan's World? He's just this kid making YouTube videos and his parents like taking him everywhere. And Calvin wants to go do this and that and this. And we were like, no more Ryan's World.
I feel like we're more of a parody on this. Oh yeah, for the record, we are. We're not seriously.
I feel like we're more of a parody on this. Oh yeah, for the record, we are. We're not seriously.
It's a bit and it's cute when he says it because he can't say it.
It's a bit and it's cute when he says it because he can't say it.
I wonder how many people from Afghanistan listen to this.
I wonder how many people from Afghanistan listen to this.
My good friend who is a Norwegian living in Texas texted me that she has rediscovered the show and loves it. Oh, amazing. I love the international... International's good.
My good friend who is a Norwegian living in Texas texted me that she has rediscovered the show and loves it. Oh, amazing. I love the international... International's good.
But do Portland first and then San Francisco. Portland, then San Fran. Just so we chronologically have things planned out. Oh, and if you're a taxidermist in either city and want to lend us some birds for five or six hours to sit on stage... Yeah, please.
But do Portland first and then San Francisco. Portland, then San Fran. Just so we chronologically have things planned out. Oh, and if you're a taxidermist in either city and want to lend us some birds for five or six hours to sit on stage... Yeah, please.
No, it's bit.ly slash Lost Kiwi, all lowercase. And then either PDX cap in all caps or SF in all caps. The Lost Kiwi PDX, Lost Kiwi SF.
No, it's bit.ly slash Lost Kiwi, all lowercase. And then either PDX cap in all caps or SF in all caps. The Lost Kiwi PDX, Lost Kiwi SF.
And things like cults, serial killers, sex stuff.
And things like cults, serial killers, sex stuff.
great name do you get concerned ever that you're getting put on lists and like targeted when you're buying oh and i am already yeah i mean if i go on to any of the places i buy books it's now just being advertised like conservative christian parenting books right are you concerned like you're at like a coffee shop and someone's looking over your shoulder and seeing what you're being targeted for and i want to have all this stuff yeah oh
great name do you get concerned ever that you're getting put on lists and like targeted when you're buying oh and i am already yeah i mean if i go on to any of the places i buy books it's now just being advertised like conservative christian parenting books right are you concerned like you're at like a coffee shop and someone's looking over your shoulder and seeing what you're being targeted for and i want to have all this stuff yeah oh
I believe it's not harmful to have sexual intercourse before marriage if a couple has a meaningful relationship. Is that a question or a statement? No, that's what you highlighted. Oh, really?
I believe it's not harmful to have sexual intercourse before marriage if a couple has a meaningful relationship. Is that a question or a statement? No, that's what you highlighted. Oh, really?
So that's someone saying, is it okay? Metallicized is, okay. This item represents the most dangerous and popular misconception about romantic love, both for individuals and for future... and for our future as a nation. During the past 15 years, we have witnessed the tragic disintegration of our sexual mores and traditional concepts of morality.
So that's someone saying, is it okay? Metallicized is, okay. This item represents the most dangerous and popular misconception about romantic love, both for individuals and for future... and for our future as a nation. During the past 15 years, we have witnessed the tragic disintegration of our sexual mores and traditional concepts of morality.
Me too. I'm excited to go back. And if you're a taxidermist...
Me too. I'm excited to go back. And if you're a taxidermist...
When you're abducting people into a van and you're wearing a dark hoodie to do it and you're sneaking into their apartment building, do you ever sort of start to think, Hey, is this a bit fucked, guys? We seem to be just like, we've like gotten in disguises and we're just abducting this dude. Is that what the goodies do?
When you're abducting people into a van and you're wearing a dark hoodie to do it and you're sneaking into their apartment building, do you ever sort of start to think, Hey, is this a bit fucked, guys? We seem to be just like, we've like gotten in disguises and we're just abducting this dude. Is that what the goodies do?
Well, for me, that's a pretty exciting prospect because I just feel like we haven't hung out in a while and it'd be cool to have you back. That's one of the nicest things you've ever said to me. Yeah, I just need someone to babysit. Honestly, I'm dying here. And the other thing that I'd say is, you know, there's genuine oppression happening of people across the United States.
Well, for me, that's a pretty exciting prospect because I just feel like we haven't hung out in a while and it'd be cool to have you back. That's one of the nicest things you've ever said to me. Yeah, I just need someone to babysit. Honestly, I'm dying here. And the other thing that I'd say is, you know, there's genuine oppression happening of people across the United States.
But I have to congratulate you that you have found a way to make it about yourself.
But I have to congratulate you that you have found a way to make it about yourself.
Yeah. This seems bad. And the reason it's bad is because maybe it could happen to me, the main character.
Yeah. This seems bad. And the reason it's bad is because maybe it could happen to me, the main character.
Well, I don't think it's good. Dave, I don't know how you, I don't know much about international law, but when you deport people that are legally in your country, is that like, is that still deporting them or is that just kind of like abducting them and putting them on a plane?
Well, I don't think it's good. Dave, I don't know how you, I don't know much about international law, but when you deport people that are legally in your country, is that like, is that still deporting them or is that just kind of like abducting them and putting them on a plane?
I saw a video and it was like ICE agents arresting some activists on her way home because she had said something about maybe not committing genocide or something in Palestine. And it was just like people in hoodies coming up to her and just loaning her into a van. And you'd have to say that if that was happening in...
I saw a video and it was like ICE agents arresting some activists on her way home because she had said something about maybe not committing genocide or something in Palestine. And it was just like people in hoodies coming up to her and just loaning her into a van. And you'd have to say that if that was happening in...
some developing nation in Eastern Europe or Africa or South America or something. America would be like all over it being, this is barbarous dictatorship. But when it happens at home, it's more like kind of sort of sparkling authoritarianism. You know, it's... It's not the real deal because it's happening here and it couldn't possibly happen here.
some developing nation in Eastern Europe or Africa or South America or something. America would be like all over it being, this is barbarous dictatorship. But when it happens at home, it's more like kind of sort of sparkling authoritarianism. You know, it's... It's not the real deal because it's happening here and it couldn't possibly happen here.
there's no place to escape to this is the last on the left side stories that's when the cannibalism started side stories yes
there's no place to escape to this is the last on the left side stories that's when the cannibalism started side stories yes
Fly from your grave.
Fly from your grave.
Look at what he just did. She got nailed. She got leveled immediately.
Look at what he just did. She got nailed. She got leveled immediately.
Who's that lady? Shaka, shaka, shaka, shaka Khan.
Who's that lady? Shaka, shaka, shaka, shaka Khan.
But I don't think that's what was happening here.
But I don't think that's what was happening here.
Except it's going to be you as the bad guy.
Except it's going to be you as the bad guy.
They're very thin. They're so thin.
They're very thin. They're so thin.
Coming out to Lost at Sea. Over here, you're going to have that we're all going to rape each other daiquiri.
Coming out to Lost at Sea. Over here, you're going to have that we're all going to rape each other daiquiri.
Oh, yeah, it did.
Oh, yeah, it did.
That's a resilient woman. That is a contradicting statement.
That's a resilient woman. That is a contradicting statement.
Yeah, rock guys.
Yeah, rock guys.
I dare you. I dare you, fuckers. No. I fucking dare you. You can't get me, dude.
I dare you. I dare you, fuckers. No. I fucking dare you. You can't get me, dude.
Or it's just a bunch of goo. God's a bunch of goo. Yeah. Yes.
Or it's just a bunch of goo. God's a bunch of goo. Yeah. Yes.
You've got to get it passed.
You've got to get it passed.
Fly from your plane. No.
Fly from your plane. No.
I don't think I'll ever have that kind of money. Is that a UFO home?
I don't think I'll ever have that kind of money. Is that a UFO home?
Hey, guys, this is Dan. I'm here right at the museum right now. I just want to show you guys that Annabelle is in the Warrens of Colt Museum. And let's go inside and let's check. Cuts to footage that he's not in that could have been done at any corner. And who's there?
Hey, guys, this is Dan. I'm here right at the museum right now. I just want to show you guys that Annabelle is in the Warrens of Colt Museum. And let's go inside and let's check. Cuts to footage that he's not in that could have been done at any corner. And who's there?
Annabelle. He could have recorded this over this. Annabelle's not missing. And now he's put himself in Chicago. Although it looks like he's there. Look at his hat. That is a green screen, dog. That is it.
Annabelle. He could have recorded this over this. Annabelle's not missing. And now he's put himself in Chicago. Although it looks like he's there. Look at his hat. That is a green screen, dog. That is it.
If you guys want to get tickets for that, you guys go to warrensconvention.com.
If you guys want to get tickets for that, you guys go to warrensconvention.com.
Yes.
Yes.
No. So I find that extremely compelling. If anything, you'd say it was all fake.
No. So I find that extremely compelling. If anything, you'd say it was all fake.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, which is huge.
Yeah, which is huge.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're like, fuck.
We're like, fuck.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
Oh, wow.
Oh, wow.
Last update on the left.
Last update on the left.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hold on.
Hold on.
You've got to get it passed.
Fly from your plane. No.
I don't think I'll ever have that kind of money. Is that a UFO home?
Hey, guys, this is Dan. I'm here right at the museum right now. I just want to show you guys that Annabelle is in the Warrens of Colt Museum. And let's go inside and let's check. Cuts to footage that he's not in that could have been done at any corner. And who's there?
Annabelle. He could have recorded this over this. Annabelle's not missing. And now he's put himself in Chicago. Although it looks like he's there. Look at his hat. That is a green screen, dog. That is it.
If you guys want to get tickets for that, you guys go to warrensconvention.com.
Yes.
No. So I find that extremely compelling. If anything, you'd say it was all fake.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, which is huge.
Yes.
Yeah.
We're like, fuck.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yes.
Oh, wow.
Last update on the left.
Yeah.
Hold on.
there's no place to escape to this is the last on the left side stories that's when the cannibalism started side stories yes
Fly from your grave.
Look at what he just did. She got nailed. She got leveled immediately.
Who's that lady? Shaka, shaka, shaka, shaka Khan.
But I don't think that's what was happening here.
Except it's going to be you as the bad guy.
They're very thin. They're so thin.
Coming out to Lost at Sea. Over here, you're going to have that we're all going to rape each other daiquiri.
Oh, yeah, it did.
That's a resilient woman. That is a contradicting statement.
Yeah, rock guys.
I dare you. I dare you, fuckers. No. I fucking dare you. You can't get me, dude.
Or it's just a bunch of goo. God's a bunch of goo. Yeah. Yes.
A handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here.
A handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here.
This is, I believe, the WebGPT paper that you had discussed earlier that he wrote while in college.
This is, I believe, the WebGPT paper that you had discussed earlier that he wrote while in college.
I'm putting myself at risk here, by the way. We've got lunatics running the asylum. What can you tell us about him? President Cyril Ramaphosa. Complete gangster. Rogue. Villain. So have you spent any time with Elon Musk? The South African government said to Elon Musk, if you want to bring Starlink to South Africa, you've got to give 30% of your business to a black person and we'll tell you who.
I'm putting myself at risk here, by the way. We've got lunatics running the asylum. What can you tell us about him? President Cyril Ramaphosa. Complete gangster. Rogue. Villain. So have you spent any time with Elon Musk? The South African government said to Elon Musk, if you want to bring Starlink to South Africa, you've got to give 30% of your business to a black person and we'll tell you who.
But now, today, every restaurant I go to in London, Italian restaurant, they go, Mr. Presidente.
But now, today, every restaurant I go to in London, Italian restaurant, they go, Mr. Presidente.
But a final quick thing. So I've done lots of entrepreneurial things, investors. And after 31 years of living in America, Europe, and mainly the UK, I decided to go back to South Africa in 2017. I read that now 31 years of, why did you go back? And people are going the other way. They're leaving in droves. Yeah. There's brain drain. That's taking place over there. Yeah.
But a final quick thing. So I've done lots of entrepreneurial things, investors. And after 31 years of living in America, Europe, and mainly the UK, I decided to go back to South Africa in 2017. I read that now 31 years of, why did you go back? And people are going the other way. They're leaving in droves. Yeah. There's brain drain. That's taking place over there. Yeah.
I went back because I looked at my wife in the eyes and said, my parents are still alive. My father's 99 this year. Mother, 91. Wow. Our name is still reasonably well known in South Africa, being industrial family. And I want to go home. I'm homesick. But we'll only go home for two to three years because Jacob Zuma, the president at the time, is destroying the country.
I went back because I looked at my wife in the eyes and said, my parents are still alive. My father's 99 this year. Mother, 91. Wow. Our name is still reasonably well known in South Africa, being industrial family. And I want to go home. I'm homesick. But we'll only go home for two to three years because Jacob Zuma, the president at the time, is destroying the country.
Let's go back, show our kids, see South Africa, and then leave. And what I'm not going to do is get involved in politics or invest in anything in South Africa that has any long-term horizon or involves the government. That makes a lot of sense.
Let's go back, show our kids, see South Africa, and then leave. And what I'm not going to do is get involved in politics or invest in anything in South Africa that has any long-term horizon or involves the government. That makes a lot of sense.
So I'll give you a quick potted history. In 1994, apartheid ended, and the country and government was handed over peacefully to the majority. the black majority. And for 12, 14 years, South Africa was actually a success story. It was the miracle democracy, the miracle story. The West said, we've won. We've saved South Africa. There's democracy. And the country grew at 3%, 4%, 5% a year.
So I'll give you a quick potted history. In 1994, apartheid ended, and the country and government was handed over peacefully to the majority. the black majority. And for 12, 14 years, South Africa was actually a success story. It was the miracle democracy, the miracle story. The West said, we've won. We've saved South Africa. There's democracy. And the country grew at 3%, 4%, 5% a year.
There was meritocracy. There were black, white, colored Indian people in all the jobs. And everything was going well. In 2008, the rot began. So there was Mandela, Mbeki, And then President Jacob Zuma, complete gangster, rogue, villain. He's a gangster, Jacob Zuma? He's the gangster. And he instituted a thing called state capture.
There was meritocracy. There were black, white, colored Indian people in all the jobs. And everything was going well. In 2008, the rot began. So there was Mandela, Mbeki, And then President Jacob Zuma, complete gangster, rogue, villain. He's a gangster, Jacob Zuma? He's the gangster. And he instituted a thing called state capture.
All our state-owned enterprises, railways, electricity supply, South African Airways, he put loyalists in place whose only job was to steal. and hundreds of billions of rand were stolen and offshored. And that was when the country began its descent into potential economic collapse. This is in 08? This is 08-09 till 2017.
All our state-owned enterprises, railways, electricity supply, South African Airways, he put loyalists in place whose only job was to steal. and hundreds of billions of rand were stolen and offshored. And that was when the country began its descent into potential economic collapse. This is in 08? This is 08-09 till 2017.
And they remove all the middle-class people small town, big city employees who for decades have been handling maintenance of the local sewage plant. You know, all those jobs that the smaller people in smaller jobs do day to day to keep the economy going. And they put ANC, their government, loyalists in place who had no competence and who ended up stealing and breaking.
And they remove all the middle-class people small town, big city employees who for decades have been handling maintenance of the local sewage plant. You know, all those jobs that the smaller people in smaller jobs do day to day to keep the economy going. And they put ANC, their government, loyalists in place who had no competence and who ended up stealing and breaking.
Every one of our state-owned enterprises either bankrupt or stolen to death as of today. But in 2017, the ANC elected a new president because they had over 50% of the votes, President Cyril Ramaphosa, who everyone believed would save the country. He's been just as bad as Zuma. And he arrives tomorrow to meet President Donald Trump. He arrives tomorrow to meet President Donald Trump. Ramaphosa.
Every one of our state-owned enterprises either bankrupt or stolen to death as of today. But in 2017, the ANC elected a new president because they had over 50% of the votes, President Cyril Ramaphosa, who everyone believed would save the country. He's been just as bad as Zuma. And he arrives tomorrow to meet President Donald Trump. He arrives tomorrow to meet President Donald Trump. Ramaphosa.
Yeah, he said he was negotiating with the president. So tomorrow might, if it's recorded, tomorrow might be in the past. That's right. Yeah. So now how do you feel about him versus Jacob Zuma? Jacob Zuma was fundamentally evil and malevolent. He's like a populist, clown, dangerous. And he's trying to come back into power and he'll be way, way, way more dangerous if he does.
Yeah, he said he was negotiating with the president. So tomorrow might, if it's recorded, tomorrow might be in the past. That's right. Yeah. So now how do you feel about him versus Jacob Zuma? Jacob Zuma was fundamentally evil and malevolent. He's like a populist, clown, dangerous. And he's trying to come back into power and he'll be way, way, way more dangerous if he does.
Cyril Ramaphosa is now head of the ANC. And he was a trade unionist. He was one of the first South African black billionaires. He has the McDonald's franchises in South Africa. He understands the mining industry. He's the kind of guy you would actually like having a meal with, like talking to. But he's like a pillow. He takes the shape of the last person that sat on him.
Cyril Ramaphosa is now head of the ANC. And he was a trade unionist. He was one of the first South African black billionaires. He has the McDonald's franchises in South Africa. He understands the mining industry. He's the kind of guy you would actually like having a meal with, like talking to. But he's like a pillow. He takes the shape of the last person that sat on him.
He'll tell you what you want to hear. Then he'll meet trade unionists, tell them they want to hear, and so on and so on. Have you met him before? I've met him, but I refused. He's trying to meet me. I refused to meet him. Zuma or the existing president? I've spoken to Zuma, and I've met Ramaphosa.
He'll tell you what you want to hear. Then he'll meet trade unionists, tell them they want to hear, and so on and so on. Have you met him before? I've met him, but I refused. He's trying to meet me. I refused to meet him. Zuma or the existing president? I've spoken to Zuma, and I've met Ramaphosa.
They're both equally bad because what they've done over the last 14 years is institute racism, anti-white, anti-colored, anti-Indian racism, socialism, racism. And their government has been kleptocratic and ineptocratic. So on one hand, stealing. On the other hand, completely incompetent. They have deindustrialized our country. And we are growing at 1% economic growth.
They're both equally bad because what they've done over the last 14 years is institute racism, anti-white, anti-colored, anti-Indian racism, socialism, racism. And their government has been kleptocratic and ineptocratic. So on one hand, stealing. On the other hand, completely incompetent. They have deindustrialized our country. And we are growing at 1% economic growth.
What a start. Can you do this every time?
What a start. Can you do this every time?
And our population growth is 2%. What does that mean? We get poorer every year. The country is falling apart because of the ANC.
And our population growth is 2%. What does that mean? We get poorer every year. The country is falling apart because of the ANC.
by complete incompetence and malevolence, evil. They're pushing anti-white racism and socialism by the day. And let me give you the worst of it. We have a policy called Black Economic Empowerment, BEE. The reason Starlink isn't in South Africa yet is because the South African government said to Elon Musk, if you want to bring Starlink to South Africa, you've got to give 30% of your business to
by complete incompetence and malevolence, evil. They're pushing anti-white racism and socialism by the day. And let me give you the worst of it. We have a policy called Black Economic Empowerment, BEE. The reason Starlink isn't in South Africa yet is because the South African government said to Elon Musk, if you want to bring Starlink to South Africa, you've got to give 30% of your business to
to a black person, and we'll tell you who. Who said this? Jacob Zuma? Our government says this. It's a government policy.
to a black person, and we'll tell you who. Who said this? Jacob Zuma? Our government says this. It's a government policy.
I say it to Rob.
I say it to Rob.
You effectively have to fund it.
You effectively have to fund it.
It's like if he searches it, he'll find it? Type in B-E-E or Broad Based Black Economic Empowerment, B-B-B-E-E. Have a look, South Africa. And it's getting worse. They're trying to institute a law of any private company of 50 or more employees has to have B-E-E, whether you work with the government or not. So like a real estate agent. This is currently on the table.
It's like if he searches it, he'll find it? Type in B-E-E or Broad Based Black Economic Empowerment, B-B-B-E-E. Have a look, South Africa. And it's getting worse. They're trying to institute a law of any private company of 50 or more employees has to have B-E-E, whether you work with the government or not. So like a real estate agent. This is currently on the table.
but I'll give you one worse law than this. What's that? You ready for these three words? I do. Tell me what this means to you. And it's been signed in January. Expropriation without compensation. Would you invest in this country that says we can expropriate Not just your land, not just your mines, the watch of your arm and your house, without compensation, if it's in the public interest.
but I'll give you one worse law than this. What's that? You ready for these three words? I do. Tell me what this means to you. And it's been signed in January. Expropriation without compensation. Would you invest in this country that says we can expropriate Not just your land, not just your mines, the watch of your arm and your house, without compensation, if it's in the public interest.
Well, you'll never invest in South Africa with the law. No, why would I do that? You wouldn't. Why would I invest anymore in South Africa? I won't. Foreign direct investment has dried up. And our government, our moronic ANC government, continues to institute... Donald Trump is angry with South Africa.
Well, you'll never invest in South Africa with the law. No, why would I do that? You wouldn't. Why would I invest anymore in South Africa? I won't. Foreign direct investment has dried up. And our government, our moronic ANC government, continues to institute... Donald Trump is angry with South Africa.
I mean, it's amazing we've even made his priority list because he calls South Africa DEI as a country. It is racist and socialist and destructive and everybody's suffering.
I mean, it's amazing we've even made his priority list because he calls South Africa DEI as a country. It is racist and socialist and destructive and everybody's suffering.
You're getting me fired up here.
You're getting me fired up here.
Did you find BEE on there?
Did you find BEE on there?
Has he acted in Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings? He is. You should give him a double-headed axe and a white horse.
Has he acted in Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings? He is. You should give him a double-headed axe and a white horse.
And people are leaving.
And people are leaving.
And the economy is growing at half the rate that population growth is growing. We have one of the highest murder rates in the world, one of the highest rape rates in the world. And remember, most rapes aren't reported. So the reported rapes are one of the highest in the world. We have load shedding, which means you have intermittent electricity, sometimes six hours a day of no electricity.
And the economy is growing at half the rate that population growth is growing. We have one of the highest murder rates in the world, one of the highest rape rates in the world. And remember, most rapes aren't reported. So the reported rapes are one of the highest in the world. We have load shedding, which means you have intermittent electricity, sometimes six hours a day of no electricity.
How do you run a country on that? And it's because the ANC has broken and stolen all of our state-owned enterprises.
How do you run a country on that? And it's because the ANC has broken and stolen all of our state-owned enterprises.
Or a group of black people or a SPV of black people. What did that cost people? And this is Jacob Zuma. Well, it actually began even earlier. And it was seen as an element of transformation of the economy. And all the corporates accepted it at that time. Like we've got to transform our economy. We've got to bring the broader black population in. But all they did was benefit 1,000, 2,000 elites.
Or a group of black people or a SPV of black people. What did that cost people? And this is Jacob Zuma. Well, it actually began even earlier. And it was seen as an element of transformation of the economy. And all the corporates accepted it at that time. Like we've got to transform our economy. We've got to bring the broader black population in. But all they did was benefit 1,000, 2,000 elites.
What would have been smarter would have been to give 30% of your business to your employees and empower them. And that never happened. So we've got these black billionaires. They're all listed if you want to hear their names. Cyril Ramaphosa is one of them who were handed billions of dollars on day one to just participate in these businesses. Have a look at him, what he owns.
What would have been smarter would have been to give 30% of your business to your employees and empower them. And that never happened. So we've got these black billionaires. They're all listed if you want to hear their names. Cyril Ramaphosa is one of them who were handed billions of dollars on day one to just participate in these businesses. Have a look at him, what he owns.
Cyril, our dreadful, dreadful president.
Cyril, our dreadful, dreadful president.
And he's Cyril Ramaphosa's brother-in-law. He is Cyril's brother-in-law. And his mining company was our family mining company.
And he's Cyril Ramaphosa's brother-in-law. He is Cyril's brother-in-law. And his mining company was our family mining company.
No, we sold it.
No, we sold it.
Yeah, in the mid-90s, we moved out of mining and industry.
Yeah, in the mid-90s, we moved out of mining and industry.
Sure. I was born in 1960 in Johannesburg, South Africa. I'm a fifth generation South African. My mother's side came from England and Scotland, and the relative that came to South Africa was in the British Army, and he finished the Indian Rebellion and came to South Africa to retire.
Sure. I was born in 1960 in Johannesburg, South Africa. I'm a fifth generation South African. My mother's side came from England and Scotland, and the relative that came to South Africa was in the British Army, and he finished the Indian Rebellion and came to South Africa to retire.
I like him. To his credit, he was the first African to join the Giving Pledge, Buffett's giveaway a third of your wealth when you die to charity. He was the first African to do it, to his credit. He's a nice, charming man, but he's Cyril's brother-in-law, and he's never stood up like most South African corporates have never stood up against the ANC.
I like him. To his credit, he was the first African to join the Giving Pledge, Buffett's giveaway a third of your wealth when you die to charity. He was the first African to do it, to his credit. He's a nice, charming man, but he's Cyril's brother-in-law, and he's never stood up like most South African corporates have never stood up against the ANC.
Is this a joke? No, it's real. There's a cartoonist in South Africa that did cartoons of Jacob Zuma with a shower head coming out of his head. These are the people running our country.
Is this a joke? No, it's real. There's a cartoonist in South Africa that did cartoons of Jacob Zuma with a shower head coming out of his head. These are the people running our country.
Correct.
Correct.
This is the level of intellect that we have running the country. And all Bill Clinton did, I mean, was smoke a cigar.
This is the level of intellect that we have running the country. And all Bill Clinton did, I mean, was smoke a cigar.
We've got lunatics running the asylum. But here's the interesting thing. Until Donald J. Trump became president, no one said a thing. Europe and the UK, pathetic, soft diplomacy. Soft diplomacy does not work with these people. And, you know, Obama and Biden, I mean, they'd never say boo to a black African president. But Donald Trump looks at it and says, this country's going down the plug.
We've got lunatics running the asylum. But here's the interesting thing. Until Donald J. Trump became president, no one said a thing. Europe and the UK, pathetic, soft diplomacy. Soft diplomacy does not work with these people. And, you know, Obama and Biden, I mean, they'd never say boo to a black African president. But Donald Trump looks at it and says, this country's going down the plug.
And if I can give a terrifying analogy, South Africa is Germany in the early 1930s. The white minority are being boiled like frogs. There's an economic genocide taking place with black economic empowerment, with expropriation without compensation, with the destruction of the economy. The potential, potential hasn't begun yet, disarming of the population. Tell me more.
And if I can give a terrifying analogy, South Africa is Germany in the early 1930s. The white minority are being boiled like frogs. There's an economic genocide taking place with black economic empowerment, with expropriation without compensation, with the destruction of the economy. The potential, potential hasn't begun yet, disarming of the population. Tell me more.
Donald J. Trump offered refugee status to white Afrikaner farmers, and then he expanded it, I think, in the last few days to mean any minorities in South Africa being persecuted. And the persecution is definitely in place economically, and it's beginning culturally. Our government have flown over here to try and tell Donald Trump there is no genocide.
Donald J. Trump offered refugee status to white Afrikaner farmers, and then he expanded it, I think, in the last few days to mean any minorities in South Africa being persecuted. And the persecution is definitely in place economically, and it's beginning culturally. Our government have flown over here to try and tell Donald Trump there is no genocide.
and my father's family um escaped eastern europe and russia and ended up in cape town and i was born into a very wealthy family because my grandfather and his buddy and business partner founded a company called angloval which in the 60s 70s and 80s was one of the top five mining industrial companies in south africa and i've had every privilege
and my father's family um escaped eastern europe and russia and ended up in cape town and i was born into a very wealthy family because my grandfather and his buddy and business partner founded a company called angloval which in the 60s 70s and 80s was one of the top five mining industrial companies in south africa and i've had every privilege
Let me talk about farm murders in South Africa. Our commercial farming population is 30,000 farmers. The American commercial farming population is 3 million. It is three times more dangerous being a farmer in South Africa than a policeman and twice as dangerous being a policeman than an average citizen.
Let me talk about farm murders in South Africa. Our commercial farming population is 30,000 farmers. The American commercial farming population is 3 million. It is three times more dangerous being a farmer in South Africa than a policeman and twice as dangerous being a policeman than an average citizen.
Farm attacks are not only attack and then 30% to 40% are murders, but it's torture of the most horrific kind and rapes. Not just white farmers, but mainly white farmers. And the South African government police has done nothing to protect these farmers. Cyril Ramaphosa claims the problem doesn't exist. South Africa is a violent society.
Farm attacks are not only attack and then 30% to 40% are murders, but it's torture of the most horrific kind and rapes. Not just white farmers, but mainly white farmers. And the South African government police has done nothing to protect these farmers. Cyril Ramaphosa claims the problem doesn't exist. South Africa is a violent society.
But how come so many farmers have been attacked, murdered, raped in South Africa? And if you extrapolate, if you take a pro rata number of South African farmers attacked and murdered and killed to the American population, over the last 20 years, 233,000 American farmers would have been murdered. And you don't think that's some form of genocide? It's horrific. So look at Germany in the 1930s.
But how come so many farmers have been attacked, murdered, raped in South Africa? And if you extrapolate, if you take a pro rata number of South African farmers attacked and murdered and killed to the American population, over the last 20 years, 233,000 American farmers would have been murdered. And you don't think that's some form of genocide? It's horrific. So look at Germany in the 1930s.
Look at what's happening in South Africa. No wonder so many people are leaving. No wonder Donald Trump has said they get refugee status.
Look at what's happening in South Africa. No wonder so many people are leaving. No wonder Donald Trump has said they get refugee status.
Because the left-wing media want to see brown faces from Sudan escaping camps, ducking border guards. But the persecution is much the same. If you're a white South African, you're having 30 years of anti-white racist laws being put in place. What future do you have? South African businesses are now being told who they can hire and who they can't fire.
Because the left-wing media want to see brown faces from Sudan escaping camps, ducking border guards. But the persecution is much the same. If you're a white South African, you're having 30 years of anti-white racist laws being put in place. What future do you have? South African businesses are now being told who they can hire and who they can't fire.
I had a senior politician three days ago say, it is immoral that 98% of top executives are white. I went, no, it's not 98%. It's 62% because I had a rob in the audience. I said, Google it. He went 62%. But they were really starting to say, The racial breakdown of South Africa needs to equate to the corporate breakdown, to the everything else breakdown. 7% of the population are white.
I had a senior politician three days ago say, it is immoral that 98% of top executives are white. I went, no, it's not 98%. It's 62% because I had a rob in the audience. I said, Google it. He went 62%. But they were really starting to say, The racial breakdown of South Africa needs to equate to the corporate breakdown, to the everything else breakdown. 7% of the population are white.
So we only have 7% of the corporates being white. It's racist. It's destructive. And our economy is falling apart.
So we only have 7% of the corporates being white. It's racist. It's destructive. And our economy is falling apart.
So you've lost two-thirds. Well, firstly, the white population is not growing because a million people have left in the last 20 years, a million. The two richest people in Los Angeles are South African, number one and number two, Elon Musk, Patrick Soon-Chung, and the Lakers. There are, I think, $22 billionaires born in South Africa living in America and 35 internationally.
So you've lost two-thirds. Well, firstly, the white population is not growing because a million people have left in the last 20 years, a million. The two richest people in Los Angeles are South African, number one and number two, Elon Musk, Patrick Soon-Chung, and the Lakers. There are, I think, $22 billionaires born in South Africa living in America and 35 internationally.
Who said this? Jacob Zuma? Our government says it. It's a government policy. We get poorer every year. The country is falling apart. With youth unemployment at 61%. Highest in the world. How? South Africa is Germany in the early 1930s. They're pushing anti-white racism. and socialism by the day. And let me give you the worst of it. Tell me more.
Who said this? Jacob Zuma? Our government says it. It's a government policy. We get poorer every year. The country is falling apart. With youth unemployment at 61%. Highest in the world. How? South Africa is Germany in the early 1930s. They're pushing anti-white racism. and socialism by the day. And let me give you the worst of it. Tell me more.
And they're not living in South Africa. So there's been a mass exodus of people. And the black population is obviously having more babies than the white population. And of the 60 million population, I'd say about 8 million are illegal immigrants. Where from? Zambia, Zimbabwe, Congo, Malawi. 8 million of 60 million. 60 million. Illegal.
And they're not living in South Africa. So there's been a mass exodus of people. And the black population is obviously having more babies than the white population. And of the 60 million population, I'd say about 8 million are illegal immigrants. Where from? Zambia, Zimbabwe, Congo, Malawi. 8 million of 60 million. 60 million. Illegal.
So I was on a plane flying over to D.C. yesterday with a South African, must have been 40 years old, and he said he'd left the country because he thought he'd sold his cosmetics business, but the deal never went through.
So I was on a plane flying over to D.C. yesterday with a South African, must have been 40 years old, and he said he'd left the country because he thought he'd sold his cosmetics business, but the deal never went through.
So he said to go back to South Africa, re-engage to try and keep building his business under terrible circumstances or try and sell it, which he can't do because no one's buying anything. So a lot of South Africans can't leave. They're not wealthy enough, they don't have the opportunity, and they don't have another passport.
So he said to go back to South Africa, re-engage to try and keep building his business under terrible circumstances or try and sell it, which he can't do because no one's buying anything. So a lot of South Africans can't leave. They're not wealthy enough, they don't have the opportunity, and they don't have another passport.
What's the percentage? Okay, so these numbers have been thrown around by the left. of the arable land in South Africa, if you take the total land area, it's higher than 50%. But the Western and Northern Cape is mostly desert. So you have massive land holdings. But if you look at arable land, 20% is owned by white farmers.
What's the percentage? Okay, so these numbers have been thrown around by the left. of the arable land in South Africa, if you take the total land area, it's higher than 50%. But the Western and Northern Cape is mostly desert. So you have massive land holdings. But if you look at arable land, 20% is owned by white farmers.
Non-whites. Non-whites, whatever it could be. Yeah, mostly black farmers. But the government, when they bought the land or it was transferred to the black owners, the government has not given most of them the title deeds. If that isn't communism in motion, subtle, evil, malevolent communism.
Non-whites. Non-whites, whatever it could be. Yeah, mostly black farmers. But the government, when they bought the land or it was transferred to the black owners, the government has not given most of them the title deeds. If that isn't communism in motion, subtle, evil, malevolent communism.
ISIL, the government had the title deed.
ISIL, the government had the title deed.
Okay. I checked when I came in here. So Mayflower, 1620. The first settlers, Dutch settlers in the Cape, 1650. When they got to the Cape, there were no black tribes, none in the Western Cape, all the way up to this place called the Fish River, 600 kilometers away. The black tribes had migrated down over a thousand years from Eastern Africa into South Africa. So they're settlers too.
Okay. I checked when I came in here. So Mayflower, 1620. The first settlers, Dutch settlers in the Cape, 1650. When they got to the Cape, there were no black tribes, none in the Western Cape, all the way up to this place called the Fish River, 600 kilometers away. The black tribes had migrated down over a thousand years from Eastern Africa into South Africa. So they're settlers too.
If they call us settlers, they're settlers. And they met. And there was peace, working together, and fighting. The usual story. Fast forward. The British then arrive in 1820. And then the late 1800s, gold is discovered. And everyone piles in. And then the British have their first, sorry, they have the Zulu Wars. Then we've been fighting all our career.
If they call us settlers, they're settlers. And they met. And there was peace, working together, and fighting. The usual story. Fast forward. The British then arrive in 1820. And then the late 1800s, gold is discovered. And everyone piles in. And then the British have their first, sorry, they have the Zulu Wars. Then we've been fighting all our career.
83, 84. By the way, South Africa did a major invasion of Angola in 85. And you're in at that time? Well, no, I'd finished by then. I'd done my two years. And I was an infantry officer. And then I came to America. I went to Goldman Sachs on Wall Street for two years, Harvard Business School, then worked for Rupert Murdoch as his right-hand man in New York. Literally? Literally. I carried his bag.
83, 84. By the way, South Africa did a major invasion of Angola in 85. And you're in at that time? Well, no, I'd finished by then. I'd done my two years. And I was an infantry officer. And then I came to America. I went to Goldman Sachs on Wall Street for two years, Harvard Business School, then worked for Rupert Murdoch as his right-hand man in New York. Literally? Literally. I carried his bag.
Then they have the first Boer War, English Afrikaner. And then the second Boer War, English Afrikaner. And in 1910, South Africa, which was made up of a whole lot of different republics and provinces, was formed into this Union of South Africa. So South Africa as a country is only 114 years old. It's new. But it's big. It's twice the size of France. a very big country.
Then they have the first Boer War, English Afrikaner. And then the second Boer War, English Afrikaner. And in 1910, South Africa, which was made up of a whole lot of different republics and provinces, was formed into this Union of South Africa. So South Africa as a country is only 114 years old. It's new. But it's big. It's twice the size of France. a very big country.
And the Western Cape has nothing in common with KwaZulu-Natal, has nothing in common with the North, the Pumalanga. They're 26 different languages. The white tribe is made up of the Afrikaners of Dutch and German origin, but they really are white Africans. And the Anglos, like myself, are some more English heritage. So they're two different white tribes.
And the Western Cape has nothing in common with KwaZulu-Natal, has nothing in common with the North, the Pumalanga. They're 26 different languages. The white tribe is made up of the Afrikaners of Dutch and German origin, but they really are white Africans. And the Anglos, like myself, are some more English heritage. So they're two different white tribes.
Then there's the coloreds who are a mix of white and black. the Indians, Indian South Africans, and then the blacks. And the black population of South Africa, I think they're 20-something tribes, Zulu, Xhosa, Sutu, Venda, Suwane, all in different areas. It's a patchwork of individual communities. And therein lies the solution. I'll get to it quickly. We have to decentralize.
Then there's the coloreds who are a mix of white and black. the Indians, Indian South Africans, and then the blacks. And the black population of South Africa, I think they're 20-something tribes, Zulu, Xhosa, Sutu, Venda, Suwane, all in different areas. It's a patchwork of individual communities. And therein lies the solution. I'll get to it quickly. We have to decentralize.
We have to create autonomous regions, autonomous areas based around culture and ethnicity and take decision-making from the top and urgently push it down. That's my solution. We can speak to that later. So we then had the First World War, where South Africa fought with the British and allies. Second World War, where we fought with... America and the UK.
We have to create autonomous regions, autonomous areas based around culture and ethnicity and take decision-making from the top and urgently push it down. That's my solution. We can speak to that later. So we then had the First World War, where South Africa fought with the British and allies. Second World War, where we fought with... America and the UK.
My father was South African Air Force, the Second World War. He's 99 this year. You were saying that. That's unbelievable. And sharp as a tack. That's unbelievable. You'll be watching this and saying, well, then Robbie didn't swear. And then we get to 1948. Yeah. And in 1948, the Afrikaner National Party gets elected. And from 1948 to 1960, they begin the process of apartheid.
My father was South African Air Force, the Second World War. He's 99 this year. You were saying that. That's unbelievable. And sharp as a tack. That's unbelievable. You'll be watching this and saying, well, then Robbie didn't swear. And then we get to 1948. Yeah. And in 1948, the Afrikaner National Party gets elected. And from 1948 to 1960, they begin the process of apartheid.
And what apartheid, the word stands for, is separateness. You translate it directly, apartheid, separateness. And the intention was to have people develop separately so that the black South Africans would have their areas, the whites theirs. But, you know, it did migrate into something that was patently unfair. More money was spent on white kids and black kids. White people got the better areas.
And what apartheid, the word stands for, is separateness. You translate it directly, apartheid, separateness. And the intention was to have people develop separately so that the black South Africans would have their areas, the whites theirs. But, you know, it did migrate into something that was patently unfair. More money was spent on white kids and black kids. White people got the better areas.
Black people had to carry passes. Apartheid became dysfunctional and evil in its latter stages. And in 1985, no one knows this, F.W. de Klerk, and the Afrikaners in power, decided internally apartheid was unsustainable. And between then and 1994, they put a process in place to remove apartheid. And he died. He was a Nobel Prize winner.
Black people had to carry passes. Apartheid became dysfunctional and evil in its latter stages. And in 1985, no one knows this, F.W. de Klerk, and the Afrikaners in power, decided internally apartheid was unsustainable. And between then and 1994, they put a process in place to remove apartheid. And he died. He was a Nobel Prize winner.
And he worked with Mandela to create a great constitution and a peaceful transition of power. In your opinion today, Mandela, good guy or bad guy? Good guy. in a very bad party, because the ANC always had as its original tenant a national democratic revolution. They're all trained by the Russians. They all believe in socialism or communism.
And he worked with Mandela to create a great constitution and a peaceful transition of power. In your opinion today, Mandela, good guy or bad guy? Good guy. in a very bad party, because the ANC always had as its original tenant a national democratic revolution. They're all trained by the Russians. They all believe in socialism or communism.
I went to every meeting. I helped write speeches. How did you get introduced to him? By your family? You want to know that story? Yeah, I do. I was dating a gorgeous redhead and I hadn't got a job lined up for, you know, everyone had done these interviews.
I went to every meeting. I helped write speeches. How did you get introduced to him? By your family? You want to know that story? Yeah, I do. I was dating a gorgeous redhead and I hadn't got a job lined up for, you know, everyone had done these interviews.
Mandela managed to sit on top of that and say, I see a better way forward. But the ANC always had its evil within it, which is manifesting now.
Mandela managed to sit on top of that and say, I see a better way forward. But the ANC always had its evil within it, which is manifesting now.
Correct. People always go, where's the brain trust of the ANC? I said, well, there's not much brain, and there is no trust, but there's this fundamental Soviet-trained philosophy that is manifesting itself, and it's a very slow burn. Like cultural Marxism in the West. They took time. They captured our universities here. They captured the left. They captured CNN, MSNBC.
Correct. People always go, where's the brain trust of the ANC? I said, well, there's not much brain, and there is no trust, but there's this fundamental Soviet-trained philosophy that is manifesting itself, and it's a very slow burn. Like cultural Marxism in the West. They took time. They captured our universities here. They captured the left. They captured CNN, MSNBC.
They do it over time and slowly, but it's a policy. And it's showing its face now in South Africa. But Donald Trump has noticed.
They do it over time and slowly, but it's a policy. And it's showing its face now in South Africa. But Donald Trump has noticed.
import and all that stuff it's it's complicated it's not built in the most best way in 1994 it was we had some of the best ports best airports best railway system we had more rail lines in south africa than the rest of africa put together we were number one or number two gold producer in the world that that's that's known all we're now number 22nd wow
import and all that stuff it's it's complicated it's not built in the most best way in 1994 it was we had some of the best ports best airports best railway system we had more rail lines in south africa than the rest of africa put together we were number one or number two gold producer in the world that that's that's known all we're now number 22nd wow
The ANC has chased away so much foreign direct investment. I don't know how you can be that stupid, but they are.
The ANC has chased away so much foreign direct investment. I don't know how you can be that stupid, but they are.
Everyone's pulling out. Shell just announced they're pulling out. Exxon's pulled out. And they find it's just too hard. South Africa's over-regulated. They've got racist laws. I don't know how anyone actually keeps doing business in South Africa.
Everyone's pulling out. Shell just announced they're pulling out. Exxon's pulled out. And they find it's just too hard. South Africa's over-regulated. They've got racist laws. I don't know how anyone actually keeps doing business in South Africa.
American redhead. New York redhead.
American redhead. New York redhead.
I think it's more than that.
I think it's more than that.
Good. They're crazy though, but that's a different conversation. This is good crazy. And she said, what are you going to do after business school? I said, I don't know. I'd like to get into the media business. And she said, oh, you should meet Stan Schumann. He's one of the Allen & Company heads. Remember, this is 1989. I had the most extraordinary interview ever. With Stan. Wait.
Good. They're crazy though, but that's a different conversation. This is good crazy. And she said, what are you going to do after business school? I said, I don't know. I'd like to get into the media business. And she said, oh, you should meet Stan Schumann. He's one of the Allen & Company heads. Remember, this is 1989. I had the most extraordinary interview ever. With Stan. Wait.
12 official. Lots more unofficial.
12 official. Lots more unofficial.
It was a discussion between the Afrikaner government and Mandela. You know, when in the 70s, when I was at school, Africa was turning hardcore. Colonies were leaving, but it was turning hardcore Soviet. The Cubans and the Russians were in Angola. The threat was moving south. Rhodesia was the last bastion of kind of the old world. And they fought on their own for a long time. And then they fell.
It was a discussion between the Afrikaner government and Mandela. You know, when in the 70s, when I was at school, Africa was turning hardcore. Colonies were leaving, but it was turning hardcore Soviet. The Cubans and the Russians were in Angola. The threat was moving south. Rhodesia was the last bastion of kind of the old world. And they fought on their own for a long time. And then they fell.
They went. And South Africa was left. And our government said, we're up against it. We need nuclear weapons. In 1972, there was a nuclear power plant built 40 minutes drive from Cape Town, Kuberg Power Plant. In 1972, still fully operational. Till today? Yeah. I drove past it last week. Fully operational. South Africa was the first country to do a heart transplant.
They went. And South Africa was left. And our government said, we're up against it. We need nuclear weapons. In 1972, there was a nuclear power plant built 40 minutes drive from Cape Town, Kuberg Power Plant. In 1972, still fully operational. Till today? Yeah. I drove past it last week. Fully operational. South Africa was the first country to do a heart transplant.
I mean, South Africa has done, it punches, has punched so far above its weight in history. If you look at the statesmen, the tech developments, the people it's produced. The only country that's held the World Cup in cricket, rugby, and soccer.
I mean, South Africa has done, it punches, has punched so far above its weight in history. If you look at the statesmen, the tech developments, the people it's produced. The only country that's held the World Cup in cricket, rugby, and soccer.
South Africa used to be a world leader in a whole lot of areas. And that's not the case anymore.
South Africa used to be a world leader in a whole lot of areas. And that's not the case anymore.
I put it on Zuma and Ramaphosa.
I put it on Zuma and Ramaphosa.
Zero. Zero. Zero. Elon Musk and Donald J. Trump know that it is absolutely pointless investing in South Africa. All you're doing is rewarding the ANC for their socialist and racist policies. The three fundamental bases need to be tomorrow, need to be... We will not do trade with you. We will not help you.
Zero. Zero. Zero. Elon Musk and Donald J. Trump know that it is absolutely pointless investing in South Africa. All you're doing is rewarding the ANC for their socialist and racist policies. The three fundamental bases need to be tomorrow, need to be... We will not do trade with you. We will not help you.
I went to see Stan Schumer at Allen Company. Stan said, you're Rob. You want to be in the media business. I'm a media investment banker. So you're in the wrong place. You need to actually consider News Corp. And I'm on the board of News Corp. He was at the time. And I'm going to introduce you. Before you meet Rupert, you need to meet John Evans. He's the visionary.
I went to see Stan Schumer at Allen Company. Stan said, you're Rob. You want to be in the media business. I'm a media investment banker. So you're in the wrong place. You need to actually consider News Corp. And I'm on the board of News Corp. He was at the time. And I'm going to introduce you. Before you meet Rupert, you need to meet John Evans. He's the visionary.
In fact, we're going to punish you unless you repeal black economic empowerment laws, expropriation without compensation, and you withdraw the Iran-funded ICGA case against Israel. Iran funded the ANC to put that case against Israel. Iran funded the ANC, they sent money to the ANC, and part of that money allowed the ANC, on behalf of Iran, to file the ICJ genocide case against Israel.
In fact, we're going to punish you unless you repeal black economic empowerment laws, expropriation without compensation, and you withdraw the Iran-funded ICGA case against Israel. Iran funded the ANC to put that case against Israel. Iran funded the ANC, they sent money to the ANC, and part of that money allowed the ANC, on behalf of Iran, to file the ICJ genocide case against Israel.
out of the blue, accuse Israel of genocide through ICJ. Are they the first one that did it? They're the only ones that did it. And you know why they did it? Iran paid them to do it. Just type in Iran funding ICJ case.
out of the blue, accuse Israel of genocide through ICJ. Are they the first one that did it? They're the only ones that did it. And you know why they did it? Iran paid them to do it. Just type in Iran funding ICJ case.
Do you know, South Africa is one of the top 10 countries in the world that votes against America in all UN resolutions. South Africa pokes America in the eye. allies with Russia, China, and Iran, openly supports Hamas, files a case against Israel through the ICJ, creates racist and socialist laws at home to persecute white, Indian, and colored minorities.
Do you know, South Africa is one of the top 10 countries in the world that votes against America in all UN resolutions. South Africa pokes America in the eye. allies with Russia, China, and Iran, openly supports Hamas, files a case against Israel through the ICJ, creates racist and socialist laws at home to persecute white, Indian, and colored minorities.
And for 20 years, the pathetic Europe and UK have said nothing, and America's never had a foreign policy in Africa until Donald J. Trump arrived in January this year. And he knows exactly what's going on, and he's had enough.
And for 20 years, the pathetic Europe and UK have said nothing, and America's never had a foreign policy in Africa until Donald J. Trump arrived in January this year. And he knows exactly what's going on, and he's had enough.
He is not sending any more money to South Africa, and he's going to punish South Africa, hopefully individuals, not the country, for this anti-American and anti-Semitic and anti-white policies.
He is not sending any more money to South Africa, and he's going to punish South Africa, hopefully individuals, not the country, for this anti-American and anti-Semitic and anti-white policies.
He's a sock puppet. Okay. Cyril is a jellyfish with no spine. He's charming. He comes across well. And that's why he fools a lot of the big South African corporates. And I'm not going to name one of the big ones. He's taken in by Cyril. And he's, I think, flying to Washington today to be with Cyril to meet Donald Trump.
He's a sock puppet. Okay. Cyril is a jellyfish with no spine. He's charming. He comes across well. And that's why he fools a lot of the big South African corporates. And I'm not going to name one of the big ones. He's taken in by Cyril. And he's, I think, flying to Washington today to be with Cyril to meet Donald Trump.
I haven't said a word, by the way. I've said hello. I haven't said a word. So he calls the secretary. He says, call John Evans. Tell John I'm sending Rob Herself, South African, to see him. Gave me the address. I shook his hand, left. Haven't said a word. Walked down to Harper's and HarperCollins, which is owned by News Corp.
I haven't said a word, by the way. I've said hello. I haven't said a word. So he calls the secretary. He says, call John Evans. Tell John I'm sending Rob Herself, South African, to see him. Gave me the address. I shook his hand, left. Haven't said a word. Walked down to Harper's and HarperCollins, which is owned by News Corp.
Cyril's intention is to explain to Donald Trump and the administration the reality of South Africa. But Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and the administration are no fools. They know exactly what's going on. So I am hoping Cyril Ramaphosa gets the Zelensky times 10 treatment. I'm hoping. But I think Marco Rubio is the one who's going to do it. Why? Because I think Donald Trump wants to keep
Cyril's intention is to explain to Donald Trump and the administration the reality of South Africa. But Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and the administration are no fools. They know exactly what's going on. So I am hoping Cyril Ramaphosa gets the Zelensky times 10 treatment. I'm hoping. But I think Marco Rubio is the one who's going to do it. Why? Because I think Donald Trump wants to keep
his position, open to see how it goes. But Marco Rubio is going to read the riot act to the delegation that's flown over. And so he should. America should say to South Africa, we are not going to help in any way. In fact, we're going to punish you unless you immediately do those three things that I mentioned. Remove EWC, expropriation without compensation.
his position, open to see how it goes. But Marco Rubio is going to read the riot act to the delegation that's flown over. And so he should. America should say to South Africa, we are not going to help in any way. In fact, we're going to punish you unless you immediately do those three things that I mentioned. Remove EWC, expropriation without compensation.
Repeal black empowerment laws, get rid of them. And American companies should refuse to obey them. and withdraw the case from the ICJ. You do those three things, we can talk. What's the likelihood of that happening? Because those are big asks. I mean, I think it's 50, 60%. You go to Polymarket and ask. And if they don't... I think America should kick them back to say, leave, go, go home.
Repeal black empowerment laws, get rid of them. And American companies should refuse to obey them. and withdraw the case from the ICJ. You do those three things, we can talk. What's the likelihood of that happening? Because those are big asks. I mean, I think it's 50, 60%. You go to Polymarket and ask. And if they don't... I think America should kick them back to say, leave, go, go home.
And then, I'm putting myself at risk here, by the way, And then America should, and they've already done it, Ronnie Jackson, Congressman Ronnie Jackson, has already put a bill that's going to Congress about punishing individual South Africans using Magnitsky, SDN, just do Ronnie Jackson here. Now there he is. And Ronnie Jackson, South African bill.
And then, I'm putting myself at risk here, by the way, And then America should, and they've already done it, Ronnie Jackson, Congressman Ronnie Jackson, has already put a bill that's going to Congress about punishing individual South Africans using Magnitsky, SDN, just do Ronnie Jackson here. Now there he is. And Ronnie Jackson, South African bill.
Rob, can you tap in Ronnie Jackson, South African bill?
Rob, can you tap in Ronnie Jackson, South African bill?
So that's moving forward. Yeah. So Ramaphosa knows this is underway. He's on the list. He needs to kiss the ring. He needs to give up on these racist and socialist policies and start to put South Africa first and not the ANC.
So that's moving forward. Yeah. So Ramaphosa knows this is underway. He's on the list. He needs to kiss the ring. He needs to give up on these racist and socialist policies and start to put South Africa first and not the ANC.
That's a very, very good question. That's a very good question. In May 2024, the first election in 30 years, the ANC got less than 50%. They've been ruling with impunity since then. They got 41%. They collapsed to 41%. They and the Democratic Alliance, which is the center party, the capitalist free market pro-West party, formed a coalition. government and national unity, GNU.
That's a very, very good question. That's a very good question. In May 2024, the first election in 30 years, the ANC got less than 50%. They've been ruling with impunity since then. They got 41%. They collapsed to 41%. They and the Democratic Alliance, which is the center party, the capitalist free market pro-West party, formed a coalition. government and national unity, GNU.
But then they added a whole lot of other smaller parties. And that's our current government. Under the guise of the GNU, the ANC is still pushing forward its racist and socialist policies. So your question has hit the nail on the head. How do we take this forward? without punishing South Africa, but by only punishing the people who are responsible for the 30 years of destruction. That's the key.
But then they added a whole lot of other smaller parties. And that's our current government. Under the guise of the GNU, the ANC is still pushing forward its racist and socialist policies. So your question has hit the nail on the head. How do we take this forward? without punishing South Africa, but by only punishing the people who are responsible for the 30 years of destruction. That's the key.
This is a real finesse by America.
This is a real finesse by America.
Me too.
Me too.
South Africa, another first. In 1994, South Africa created the Truth and Reconciliation Committee.
South Africa, another first. In 1994, South Africa created the Truth and Reconciliation Committee.
And the Truth and Reconciliation Committee was created that if you did something under apartheid, if you were a police officer that killed someone in prison or you beat someone to death on a farm, you had one opportunity to tell the truth in court, in front of the families, and admit to what you did, and you would be forgiven. But you had to tell the truth and all the truth.
And the Truth and Reconciliation Committee was created that if you did something under apartheid, if you were a police officer that killed someone in prison or you beat someone to death on a farm, you had one opportunity to tell the truth in court, in front of the families, and admit to what you did, and you would be forgiven. But you had to tell the truth and all the truth.
I'm still at Harvard Business School. So he says, in supermarkets, the fish need to be near the chips. And he's talking about these weird things. For 20 minutes he talks. I still haven't said a word. And he said, well, if you want to work for News Corp, you've got to meet Rupert. So hold on. Calls Rupert. Says, I've got this guy, Rob, Rob, from South Africa, Harvard MBA. Yeah, sorry about that.
I'm still at Harvard Business School. So he says, in supermarkets, the fish need to be near the chips. And he's talking about these weird things. For 20 minutes he talks. I still haven't said a word. And he said, well, if you want to work for News Corp, you've got to meet Rupert. So hold on. Calls Rupert. Says, I've got this guy, Rob, Rob, from South Africa, Harvard MBA. Yeah, sorry about that.
And it was the only way to lift the bloodletting that had taken place and the horror and the anger. And in many cases, people reconciled and they hugged the families and they were forgiven. And who came, is this what Mandela came up with? Well, it was a combination of Mandela and de Klerk. It was a unity rainbow coalition government. In Rwanda, in 1994, same year, funnily enough, for three months,
And it was the only way to lift the bloodletting that had taken place and the horror and the anger. And in many cases, people reconciled and they hugged the families and they were forgiven. And who came, is this what Mandela came up with? Well, it was a combination of Mandela and de Klerk. It was a unity rainbow coalition government. In Rwanda, in 1994, same year, funnily enough, for three months,
The two tribes created by the Belgians, by the way, these are non-existing tribes, Hutus and Tutsis. Basically, Hutus killed Tutsis, 10,000 people a day, while the United Nations did nothing. President Paul Kagame, who's president today, a Rwandan, invaded his own country from Uganda, stopped the bloodshed, took over the control of the country, and he's still president today.
The two tribes created by the Belgians, by the way, these are non-existing tribes, Hutus and Tutsis. Basically, Hutus killed Tutsis, 10,000 people a day, while the United Nations did nothing. President Paul Kagame, who's president today, a Rwandan, invaded his own country from Uganda, stopped the bloodshed, took over the control of the country, and he's still president today.
He got everybody in the same way. Every village and every town got together and a murderer had to admit to the family that he murdered your brother and your sister and your cousin. And for a year, they had to wear a pink overall and do jobs like cleaning and building and things like that. One year, you as a killer who admitted your crimes would be forgiven. You spend a year in a pink uniform.
He got everybody in the same way. Every village and every town got together and a murderer had to admit to the family that he murdered your brother and your sister and your cousin. And for a year, they had to wear a pink overall and do jobs like cleaning and building and things like that. One year, you as a killer who admitted your crimes would be forgiven. You spend a year in a pink uniform.
Right. And how do you prosecute 50% of a country? You're finished. You have to find a way to move on. South Africa did. Rwanda did. It's terrible. But still today, still today, there are people in South Africa that could say, you benefited under apartheid. There's still a lot of underlying... Oh, for sure.
Right. And how do you prosecute 50% of a country? You're finished. You have to find a way to move on. South Africa did. Rwanda did. It's terrible. But still today, still today, there are people in South Africa that could say, you benefited under apartheid. There's still a lot of underlying... Oh, for sure.
No, public. For sure, public.
No, public. For sure, public.
Yeah, he can come and see you right now. Gives me Rupert's address, 1211 6th Avenue. Sends me. Still haven't said a word in my interview. get to Rupert, walk in, he goes, you must be Rob. I go, yeah, please sit down. Rob, what do you think the future of the media industry is? And I go, technology? And he goes, no, it's content. And then he spoke for 15 minutes about why content, which was correct.
Yeah, he can come and see you right now. Gives me Rupert's address, 1211 6th Avenue. Sends me. Still haven't said a word in my interview. get to Rupert, walk in, he goes, you must be Rob. I go, yeah, please sit down. Rob, what do you think the future of the media industry is? And I go, technology? And he goes, no, it's content. And then he spoke for 15 minutes about why content, which was correct.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Him and Marco.
Him and Marco.
Not much.
Not much.
I don't think Musk believes South Africa stands a chance. A friend of mine asked him three months ago in a private moment, Elon, do you still believe in South Africa? Do you still think there's hope? And Elon kind of, he gets thoughtful. He said three words, demographics don't lie. The voting population, democracy is grinding forward in a glacial pace, but our economy won't survive.
I don't think Musk believes South Africa stands a chance. A friend of mine asked him three months ago in a private moment, Elon, do you still believe in South Africa? Do you still think there's hope? And Elon kind of, he gets thoughtful. He said three words, demographics don't lie. The voting population, democracy is grinding forward in a glacial pace, but our economy won't survive.
And with 60% youth unemployment, you'd expect civil unrest, wouldn't you, at some point? It's a tinderbox. Or an exodus. Well, the exodus has already happened. Yeah, a million. And I'm a lucky guy. I can be the last chopper out of Saigon. Talk about helicopter pilots. Of course, yeah. Wes Anderson. Fox. I've been a helicopter pilot on a movie. Yeah, yeah.
And with 60% youth unemployment, you'd expect civil unrest, wouldn't you, at some point? It's a tinderbox. Or an exodus. Well, the exodus has already happened. Yeah, a million. And I'm a lucky guy. I can be the last chopper out of Saigon. Talk about helicopter pilots. Of course, yeah. Wes Anderson. Fox. I've been a helicopter pilot on a movie. Yeah, yeah.
So I can be the last guy out, but most South Africans, you know, black, white, colored Indian, whatever.
So I can be the last guy out, but most South Africans, you know, black, white, colored Indian, whatever.
I'm never going to leave. You're never going to leave? My wife's from New Zealand. And New Zealand, have you watched Lord of the Rings? Of course. So you know the story. So New Zealand is the hobbits. They have no neighbors. They have no threats. They have no pollution. They have nothing. It's like the most happy, sensible, boring country on the planet. They've got the all blacks, though.
I'm never going to leave. You're never going to leave? My wife's from New Zealand. And New Zealand, have you watched Lord of the Rings? Of course. So you know the story. So New Zealand is the hobbits. They have no neighbors. They have no threats. They have no pollution. They have nothing. It's like the most happy, sensible, boring country on the planet. They've got the all blacks, though.
They've got the all blacks. Respect. Respect, yeah. And... They're the hobbits. We live in Mordor. We're on the edge of Mordor where we are. I mean, every day as anything can happen. So.
They've got the all blacks. Respect. Respect, yeah. And... They're the hobbits. We live in Mordor. We're on the edge of Mordor where we are. I mean, every day as anything can happen. So.
So my wife said to me four years ago, my New Zealand wife, we'd only been back two years. And she was reading something and she looked at me and she said, can I swear? Sure. She said, I fucking love this place. Wow. It's worth fighting for. Get out of here. And I said, okay, then I will. Why does she love the place? South Africa, you've got to come. It is magical. It's got...
So my wife said to me four years ago, my New Zealand wife, we'd only been back two years. And she was reading something and she looked at me and she said, can I swear? Sure. She said, I fucking love this place. Wow. It's worth fighting for. Get out of here. And I said, okay, then I will. Why does she love the place? South Africa, you've got to come. It is magical. It's got...
all the madness, all the craziest, stupidest, worst things on the planet. And it's got the most beautiful, magical, it's the most incredible country. I can't get it under my skin. And all the million South Africans that have left, bad mouth South Africa, because it's the only way they can justify leaving. Everybody misses that country. It is just magical.
all the madness, all the craziest, stupidest, worst things on the planet. And it's got the most beautiful, magical, it's the most incredible country. I can't get it under my skin. And all the million South Africans that have left, bad mouth South Africa, because it's the only way they can justify leaving. Everybody misses that country. It is just magical.
Well, he called everybody that left a coward. He is disgusting and a disgrace for doing that. You didn't see this clip? I did. It made me so angry. Rob, can you pull up that clip where he's calling anybody that left the country a coward? He's the coward because he does nothing about South African suffering. Go back to that meme. Cowardice, parlor, parlor, corruption, parlor, parlor.
Well, he called everybody that left a coward. He is disgusting and a disgrace for doing that. You didn't see this clip? I did. It made me so angry. Rob, can you pull up that clip where he's calling anybody that left the country a coward? He's the coward because he does nothing about South African suffering. Go back to that meme. Cowardice, parlor, parlor, corruption, parlor, parlor.
Cyril Ramaphosa was found with millions of dollars hidden in his sofa. And it's unaccounted for. I would not be surprised if that came from Iran. This, our president, corruption, poverty.
Cyril Ramaphosa was found with millions of dollars hidden in his sofa. And it's unaccounted for. I would not be surprised if that came from Iran. This, our president, corruption, poverty.
I believe this is it right here. Can I see it? At the Nampo Agricultural. You're a coward. And that's a real cowardly act. You want to make me angry? This gets me angry. He's the coward.
I believe this is it right here. Can I see it? At the Nampo Agricultural. You're a coward. And that's a real cowardly act. You want to make me angry? This gets me angry. He's the coward.
He doesn't solve any of the problems in South Africa that are easy to fix. He lets the farmers hang out to dry, get murdered, get raped, get tortured. He lets our economy fall apart. He lets 60% unemployment take place. He doesn't face up to what's going on and he doesn't deal with the issues. He's a coward.
He doesn't solve any of the problems in South Africa that are easy to fix. He lets the farmers hang out to dry, get murdered, get raped, get tortured. He lets our economy fall apart. He lets 60% unemployment take place. He doesn't face up to what's going on and he doesn't deal with the issues. He's a coward.
And if people are being persecuted or have no economic opportunity, how can you call them cowards for going to another country to try and improve their lives?
And if people are being persecuted or have no economic opportunity, how can you call them cowards for going to another country to try and improve their lives?
And then he said, okay, you're hired. What are you going to do for me? I've said one word in three interviews. I've got a job.
And then he said, okay, you're hired. What are you going to do for me? I've said one word in three interviews. I've got a job.
Great question.
Great question.
You know, airplanes fly down and then they turn around and fly back.
You know, airplanes fly down and then they turn around and fly back.
Look, it's fixable. This economy, give me 100 days as a benevolent dictator, I can turn this country around. As a benevolent dictator? Well, you've got to do it because you've got to make some tough decisions. What would be the tough decisions you'd make? I'd privatize all the state-owned enterprises. sell them off because they are just a feeding trough for corruption. I would deregulate.
Look, it's fixable. This economy, give me 100 days as a benevolent dictator, I can turn this country around. As a benevolent dictator? Well, you've got to do it because you've got to make some tough decisions. What would be the tough decisions you'd make? I'd privatize all the state-owned enterprises. sell them off because they are just a feeding trough for corruption. I would deregulate.
I'd bring in a doge as quickly as possible. We have 32 ministers in the cabinet, 32. Norway has 18. Argentina has nine. We have a ministry for women. What does that person do? It's ridiculous. And all the ministers have a deputy minister. There are 34 deputy ministers. So we have 76 ministers that all have blue light brigades, security, flying business in first class.
I'd bring in a doge as quickly as possible. We have 32 ministers in the cabinet, 32. Norway has 18. Argentina has nine. We have a ministry for women. What does that person do? It's ridiculous. And all the ministers have a deputy minister. There are 34 deputy ministers. So we have 76 ministers that all have blue light brigades, security, flying business in first class.
So this redhead, why is this redhead so trusted? Because her father and Stan were best friends. So she got me the interview. He assumed I went to Harvard Business School. Goldman. Goldman.
So this redhead, why is this redhead so trusted? Because her father and Stan were best friends. So she got me the interview. He assumed I went to Harvard Business School. Goldman. Goldman.
We have 1.4 million state employees. The waste is off the charts. It's fixable. You just cut the cost, hive off divisions like any turnaround situation in a business that you've had to deal with. You know, go to the debt holders and say, you're not paying interest for three years. Go to the equity holders and say, you've got five cents on the dollar, pal. Take it or leave it.
We have 1.4 million state employees. The waste is off the charts. It's fixable. You just cut the cost, hive off divisions like any turnaround situation in a business that you've had to deal with. You know, go to the debt holders and say, you're not paying interest for three years. Go to the equity holders and say, you've got five cents on the dollar, pal. Take it or leave it.
You cut out management. You cut costs. You hive off divisions that aren't working. You can only do that if you're a benevolent dictator. And you do it quickly. You close the borders. You kick out illegal foreigners. You do what Trump's done. But we're in a much more tragic situation. Do you have any plans of running? Do you have any plans of doing politics? No.
You cut out management. You cut costs. You hive off divisions that aren't working. You can only do that if you're a benevolent dictator. And you do it quickly. You close the borders. You kick out illegal foreigners. You do what Trump's done. But we're in a much more tragic situation. Do you have any plans of running? Do you have any plans of doing politics? No.
I have a lot of issues too.
I have a lot of issues too.
But one of them is I can't sit still for half an hour in a meeting with people who haven't done their homework or I know what they're going to say and I finish their sentences. Can you imagine being in a cabinet with half of the people are stupid, haven't done their homework, some still believe in communism. What do you think Trump is doing? Yeah, but he's got very good people around him.
But one of them is I can't sit still for half an hour in a meeting with people who haven't done their homework or I know what they're going to say and I finish their sentences. Can you imagine being in a cabinet with half of the people are stupid, haven't done their homework, some still believe in communism. What do you think Trump is doing? Yeah, but he's got very good people around him.
Look at Marco Rubio.
Look at Marco Rubio.
No, it has. So let's find them. I know, but I'd have to replace the whole cabinet. You'd have to give me complete power to get it fixed. What did Trump do? He did it as well. I know, but he can. You can't? We'd have to change the system. No, the answer's no. I'm happy doing what I'm doing. Don't forget what Katie said to you.
No, it has. So let's find them. I know, but I'd have to replace the whole cabinet. You'd have to give me complete power to get it fixed. What did Trump do? He did it as well. I know, but he can. You can't? We'd have to change the system. No, the answer's no. I'm happy doing what I'm doing. Don't forget what Katie said to you.
And if you keep going south, you're screwed. Well, I went to the Antarctic for dinner in December.
And if you keep going south, you're screwed. Well, I went to the Antarctic for dinner in December.
What was it like? Unbelievable. A six-hour flight from Cape Town.
What was it like? Unbelievable. A six-hour flight from Cape Town.
No, they had a six-star meal for us. We slept in cabins, very comfortable. Do you recommend it? I recommend it. Really? One night, six-hour flight.
No, they had a six-star meal for us. We slept in cabins, very comfortable. Do you recommend it? I recommend it. Really? One night, six-hour flight.
No, no. Were you tanning, like laying out, getting some sun? But it was sun the whole, you know, sun 24 hours. How long did you guys stay? We flew in midday and flew out the next morning. How bad was turbulence? None. Seriously? And we landed what's called deep field. So we didn't land on the edge where all the penguins are. We went deep field. How many people lived there?
No, no. Were you tanning, like laying out, getting some sun? But it was sun the whole, you know, sun 24 hours. How long did you guys stay? We flew in midday and flew out the next morning. How bad was turbulence? None. Seriously? And we landed what's called deep field. So we didn't land on the edge where all the penguins are. We went deep field. How many people lived there?
There are, I can give you the stats. Like 4,500? No, the American base alone, which is McMurdo, which you get to from Australia and New Zealand, that has about 4,000 people 12 months a year. That's the biggest base in the Antarctic. I think 12 countries, you can check the stats, Rob. Here we go, McMurdo. I think that 12 countries are part of the Antarctic Association.
There are, I can give you the stats. Like 4,500? No, the American base alone, which is McMurdo, which you get to from Australia and New Zealand, that has about 4,000 people 12 months a year. That's the biggest base in the Antarctic. I think 12 countries, you can check the stats, Rob. Here we go, McMurdo. I think that 12 countries are part of the Antarctic Association.
Every day.
Every day.
I'm getting some of my stats right. But there are three places to visit Antarctica. The one is from McMurdo, which is very difficult to get to. The other is from Cape Town, and I think there are 500 visitors a year. And then the other one is from South America, and I think there are 250,000 visitors that go on cruise ships. So we went deep field. It was unbelievable. But it's like a white desert.
I'm getting some of my stats right. But there are three places to visit Antarctica. The one is from McMurdo, which is very difficult to get to. The other is from Cape Town, and I think there are 500 visitors a year. And then the other one is from South America, and I think there are 250,000 visitors that go on cruise ships. So we went deep field. It was unbelievable. But it's like a white desert.
Everywhere you look, there are no features. It's just white. Do you have any opinions on Antarctica or no?
Everywhere you look, there are no features. It's just white. Do you have any opinions on Antarctica or no?
I took our kids, our little kids, 10 and 13 years old. What did they say? They said, are we the first 10 and 13-year-olds ever to be to Antarctica? We found out some kids had actually been born there. Was it freezing cold? No.
I took our kids, our little kids, 10 and 13 years old. What did they say? They said, are we the first 10 and 13-year-olds ever to be to Antarctica? We found out some kids had actually been born there. Was it freezing cold? No.
But Elon Musk's dad, Errol Musk, worked at our mining business. Get out of here. I only found that out four months ago when I met Errol Musk. He said, I worked for your father's mining business. Wow.
But Elon Musk's dad, Errol Musk, worked at our mining business. Get out of here. I only found that out four months ago when I met Errol Musk. He said, I worked for your father's mining business. Wow.
What was he like? No, what was he like? Errol's... He's got a crazy angle to him. He'll say stuff you and I would never dare to say. Never dare to say. And he really tells it like it is. He's a bit of a loose cannon when it comes to opinions.
What was he like? No, what was he like? Errol's... He's got a crazy angle to him. He'll say stuff you and I would never dare to say. Never dare to say. And he really tells it like it is. He's a bit of a loose cannon when it comes to opinions.
He's a fun guy. He's not stupid. He's a smart guy, but he's... He'll shoot from the hip.
He's a fun guy. He's not stupid. He's a smart guy, but he's... He'll shoot from the hip.
Maybe.
Maybe.
So I spent two and a half years with him. And he'd hand me... Everybody wanted to get in front of Rupert Murdoch. So they'd all be going, Rupert, could you look at this opportunity, this deal? He'd have a pile of decks and things on his desk. with a little note of who gave it to him.
So I spent two and a half years with him. And he'd hand me... Everybody wanted to get in front of Rupert Murdoch. So they'd all be going, Rupert, could you look at this opportunity, this deal? He'd have a pile of decks and things on his desk. with a little note of who gave it to him.
It's amazing how he thinks. You know, Trump weaves. Well, Trump weaves. He'll start here, and then he'll go completely off piste. And I'll go, oh, no, he's got to answer the question, please. And he winds his way back and answers the question. Elon goes deep thinking. He's gifted. Yeah.
It's amazing how he thinks. You know, Trump weaves. Well, Trump weaves. He'll start here, and then he'll go completely off piste. And I'll go, oh, no, he's got to answer the question, please. And he winds his way back and answers the question. Elon goes deep thinking. He's gifted. Yeah.
is a dangerous, very dangerous populist. I hope you're going to show the clip where he has 100,000 people in a stadium jumping up and down saying, kill the Boer and we need to cut the throat of whiteness. These are the things he is saying publicly. Here we go.
is a dangerous, very dangerous populist. I hope you're going to show the clip where he has 100,000 people in a stadium jumping up and down saying, kill the Boer and we need to cut the throat of whiteness. These are the things he is saying publicly. Here we go.
These are the things he is saying publicly with 100,000 people in the stadium. He says, kill the borough. One farmer, one bullet. We will slit the throat of whiteness.
These are the things he is saying publicly with 100,000 people in the stadium. He says, kill the borough. One farmer, one bullet. We will slit the throat of whiteness.
And you think white people aren't feeling persecuted when a man like this with 100,000 people in a stadium says, kill the borough, one farmer, one bullet. We will slit the throat of whiteness. Not yet. He says these things publicly. He's got 4.4 million followers on Twitter. And he was taken to the hate speech court and it was turned down. Turned down.
And you think white people aren't feeling persecuted when a man like this with 100,000 people in a stadium says, kill the borough, one farmer, one bullet. We will slit the throat of whiteness. Not yet. He says these things publicly. He's got 4.4 million followers on Twitter. And he was taken to the hate speech court and it was turned down. Turned down.
So that's EFF, the Economic Freedom Fighters. Nothing about economic or freedom in that lot. But the next party is Jacob Zuma's party called MK, Kunte Wesizwe, the Spear of the Nation. I want to see this clip here.
So that's EFF, the Economic Freedom Fighters. Nothing about economic or freedom in that lot. But the next party is Jacob Zuma's party called MK, Kunte Wesizwe, the Spear of the Nation. I want to see this clip here.
And then every Monday morning he'd kind of have a look and he'd say, ah, this guy's an idiot, throw them in the bin. And then he'd go, okay, this guy's important, read that. And he'd give me three business plans every Monday and I'd have to come back and on Friday have to present them to him. He'd ask me three to five questions on each one.
And then every Monday morning he'd kind of have a look and he'd say, ah, this guy's an idiot, throw them in the bin. And then he'd go, okay, this guy's important, read that. And he'd give me three business plans every Monday and I'd have to come back and on Friday have to present them to him. He'd ask me three to five questions on each one.
He will never get more than 10% of the vote. Because the vast majority of South Africans, 88% of South Africans are Christians, are conservative, are very moved slowly, are deserting the ANC, but it's taking time because this was the liberation group. But they're moving. The voters are not stupid. They know he's dangerous. They know he's a threat to the economy. They don't want him in.
He will never get more than 10% of the vote. Because the vast majority of South Africans, 88% of South Africans are Christians, are conservative, are very moved slowly, are deserting the ANC, but it's taking time because this was the liberation group. But they're moving. The voters are not stupid. They know he's dangerous. They know he's a threat to the economy. They don't want him in.
But he's still got up to 10% of the vote.
But he's still got up to 10% of the vote.
And listen to what he's saying.
And listen to what he's saying.
I don't know in the future, but I can promise you for now. But have a quick look at this political party. MK. Just put in MK and Zuma. They've got 15%. And this is Zuma who destroyed the country, and now he wants to be president again, these guys. They're much more of a threat. This is much more of a threat. And you ask me a question.
I don't know in the future, but I can promise you for now. But have a quick look at this political party. MK. Just put in MK and Zuma. They've got 15%. And this is Zuma who destroyed the country, and now he wants to be president again, these guys. They're much more of a threat. This is much more of a threat. And you ask me a question.
Is Cyril brave enough to accept the terms, three terms that Trump should ask of him? The answer is this is what he fears. And our new GNU coalition party that was pulled together with the ANC, Democratic Alliance and the others has about 60% of the vote. Their main priority is to keep Zuma out.
Is Cyril brave enough to accept the terms, three terms that Trump should ask of him? The answer is this is what he fears. And our new GNU coalition party that was pulled together with the ANC, Democratic Alliance and the others has about 60% of the vote. Their main priority is to keep Zuma out.
And it seems to be their only priority because they're not talking about economic growth, safety and security, service delivery. They are trying to keep him out.
And it seems to be their only priority because they're not talking about economic growth, safety and security, service delivery. They are trying to keep him out.
Oh, yeah. Malema was head of the ANC Youth League. Zuma was head of the ANC. They've each got their own political party.
Oh, yeah. Malema was head of the ANC Youth League. Zuma was head of the ANC. They've each got their own political party.
So they became different factions. Different factions. Knew or joined a different group? No. Julius Malema left 15 years ago and set up the EFF. Jacob Zuma stepped down as president and then about a year and a half ago founded MK and got 15% of the country. He's the real threat, Zuma. But he's 80-something.
So they became different factions. Different factions. Knew or joined a different group? No. Julius Malema left 15 years ago and set up the EFF. Jacob Zuma stepped down as president and then about a year and a half ago founded MK and got 15% of the country. He's the real threat, Zuma. But he's 80-something.
and immediately know the value, how it would fit into his empire if he was interested. This was about buying those companies, investing in those companies. So in those days, Christian music was taking off, but country music was barely known. And this guy, Jim Garcia, I can't remember, I believe I remember the name, from Nashville had sent this buy into country music TV.
and immediately know the value, how it would fit into his empire if he was interested. This was about buying those companies, investing in those companies. So in those days, Christian music was taking off, but country music was barely known. And this guy, Jim Garcia, I can't remember, I believe I remember the name, from Nashville had sent this buy into country music TV.
So Jacob Zuma allowed everybody else to steal under his watch. This time around, if he gets into power, he will take the expropriation without compensation law and he will implement it on day one. He's made it very clear. And so Cyril Ramaphosa is scared of Zuma and scared of Malema. But is he scared enough to go back to his party and say, we need to change. We need to be more pro-West.
So Jacob Zuma allowed everybody else to steal under his watch. This time around, if he gets into power, he will take the expropriation without compensation law and he will implement it on day one. He's made it very clear. And so Cyril Ramaphosa is scared of Zuma and scared of Malema. But is he scared enough to go back to his party and say, we need to change. We need to be more pro-West.
We need to not be anti-Semitic, not be anti-American. We need to cut costs. We need to focus on free markets. Does he have that courage? I don't think he does.
We need to not be anti-Semitic, not be anti-American. We need to cut costs. We need to focus on free markets. Does he have that courage? I don't think he does.
No. He says nothing. Very few South African corporates stand up and say anything. I'm the only South African businessman... You can even type in prominent South African businessman standing against the ANC. No one will come up. I'm the only guy. Bob Vandrill. I've had more death threats than any non-politician in South Africa.
No. He says nothing. Very few South African corporates stand up and say anything. I'm the only South African businessman... You can even type in prominent South African businessman standing against the ANC. No one will come up. I'm the only guy. Bob Vandrill. I've had more death threats than any non-politician in South Africa.
He's a Dutchman. He lives in Amsterdam. He's not even South African. Do you know Alan Pollinger? He did. Alan Pollinger did. Michelle LaRue did. Gareth Ackerman, and Neil Froneman. Four names. I can't even get to a fifth. Who have said things. Who've stood up and talked. Alan Pullinger's resigned. How influential is Alan Pullinger? Great guy, but not anymore. He was running a bank.
He's a Dutchman. He lives in Amsterdam. He's not even South African. Do you know Alan Pollinger? He did. Alan Pollinger did. Michelle LaRue did. Gareth Ackerman, and Neil Froneman. Four names. I can't even get to a fifth. Who have said things. Who've stood up and talked. Alan Pullinger's resigned. How influential is Alan Pullinger? Great guy, but not anymore. He was running a bank.
I'm here. There's a man called Ernst Rutz who appeared on Tucker's show and Ben Shapiro's show. He's an Afrikaner. There are people from civic society. There are people from media. There are people from law who have been journalists, who have been very, very, very brave. But when it comes to the business community, the business community are the cowards, colluders, or captured. Three Cs.
I'm here. There's a man called Ernst Rutz who appeared on Tucker's show and Ben Shapiro's show. He's an Afrikaner. There are people from civic society. There are people from media. There are people from law who have been journalists, who have been very, very, very brave. But when it comes to the business community, the business community are the cowards, colluders, or captured. Three Cs.
Cowards, colluders are captured. Well, they've been captured by the state.
Cowards, colluders are captured. Well, they've been captured by the state.
I did the analysis, presented to Rupert. He asked me five questions and he went, he used to rub his forehead. And he said, offer them $30 million, not a cent more. If they don't take it, move on. It's now worth many billions. And he could analyze things that quickly. He was also a real man of the people. He talked to the elevator guy.
I did the analysis, presented to Rupert. He asked me five questions and he went, he used to rub his forehead. And he said, offer them $30 million, not a cent more. If they don't take it, move on. It's now worth many billions. And he could analyze things that quickly. He was also a real man of the people. He talked to the elevator guy.
Yes, I do. Well, maybe it's a form of, you know, my father said to me when I began accidentally, I made a speech that went viral, and I was thrown into this maelstrom of political activism or capitalist activism. And I would have given up early on. I got attacked. I got cut off. People wouldn't take my calls. I was threatened.
Yes, I do. Well, maybe it's a form of, you know, my father said to me when I began accidentally, I made a speech that went viral, and I was thrown into this maelstrom of political activism or capitalist activism. And I would have given up early on. I got attacked. I got cut off. People wouldn't take my calls. I was threatened.
If my wife and father hadn't said the same thing to me, I would have given up. And they said, my father said, Rob, I've never been more proud of you for doing and saying what other people can't afford to do and say. And there's a poem called The Man in the Glass. And it's about you can fool everyone but the man in the glass, yourself. And everything in life for me has come, I felt easy.
If my wife and father hadn't said the same thing to me, I would have given up. And they said, my father said, Rob, I've never been more proud of you for doing and saying what other people can't afford to do and say. And there's a poem called The Man in the Glass. And it's about you can fool everyone but the man in the glass, yourself. And everything in life for me has come, I felt easy.
Born wealthy, had every opportunity, went to Harvard Business School, got the jobs I wanted, worked for Rupert Murlock. You know, just things came. I mean, I made an effort, but they came easy. This is the first time in my life I'm doing something I don't need to do at great financial cost, at great personal risk, where my wife and kids are worried, are scared. My friends are scared.
Born wealthy, had every opportunity, went to Harvard Business School, got the jobs I wanted, worked for Rupert Murlock. You know, just things came. I mean, I made an effort, but they came easy. This is the first time in my life I'm doing something I don't need to do at great financial cost, at great personal risk, where my wife and kids are worried, are scared. My friends are scared.
But I feel I'm doing something because I have a calling and a duty on behalf of other South Africans. And I do love my country.
But I feel I'm doing something because I have a calling and a duty on behalf of other South Africans. And I do love my country.
He turns 100 next year. Got it. Do you know, he caught the last 14 months of the Second World War, South African Air Force pilot. And somebody said, he must be one of the last remaining South African Air Force pilots from the Second World War. Does he still have his logbook? I called him. I said, Dad, do you still have your logbook? He said, I have all three of my logbooks.
He turns 100 next year. Got it. Do you know, he caught the last 14 months of the Second World War, South African Air Force pilot. And somebody said, he must be one of the last remaining South African Air Force pilots from the Second World War. Does he still have his logbook? I called him. I said, Dad, do you still have your logbook? He said, I have all three of my logbooks.
So you can imagine how many hours he's flown. Where is his pride at with the country? He loves South Africa. He'd never have left. He's concerned. You know, my two older sons, one lives in America, one lives in London. My sister lives in North Carolina. My brother and sister live in London. Everybody, every South African family's next generation or next two generations have left or are leaving.
So you can imagine how many hours he's flown. Where is his pride at with the country? He loves South Africa. He'd never have left. He's concerned. You know, my two older sons, one lives in America, one lives in London. My sister lives in North Carolina. My brother and sister live in London. Everybody, every South African family's next generation or next two generations have left or are leaving.
Everybody's gone. If we could fix South Africa. It's tough to bring people back, though. If I could give me my 100 days as a benevolent dictator, foreign direct investment would return, and there'd be a reverse diaspora of 100,000 to 200,000 extraordinary young South Africans who would take South Africa to 5% growth. So you are running.
Everybody's gone. If we could fix South Africa. It's tough to bring people back, though. If I could give me my 100 days as a benevolent dictator, foreign direct investment would return, and there'd be a reverse diaspora of 100,000 to 200,000 extraordinary young South Africans who would take South Africa to 5% growth. So you are running.
He talked to the... In those days, we'd just walk down and get attacked. Was he charismatic? Charismatic, funny, decent. Charming? A common man. Charming, but not interested in... Not interested in money, not interested in important people. He was interested in humor and being successful and building his business. What were three to five questions you would ask? I wish I'd written them down.
He talked to the... In those days, we'd just walk down and get attacked. Was he charismatic? Charismatic, funny, decent. Charming? A common man. Charming, but not interested in... Not interested in money, not interested in important people. He was interested in humor and being successful and building his business. What were three to five questions you would ask? I wish I'd written them down.
So personally, I'm a minimalist. I only wear blue and white. I don't own any watches anymore. Really? No vases, no jewelry. I don't collect anything. When I proposed to my wife, I was in a German forest hunting wild boar in a tree with snow. She was next to me, covered up, pointing up the boar. And I said, will you marry me? Loaded rifle. She goes, I thought you'd never ask. I'll marry you.
So personally, I'm a minimalist. I only wear blue and white. I don't own any watches anymore. Really? No vases, no jewelry. I don't collect anything. When I proposed to my wife, I was in a German forest hunting wild boar in a tree with snow. She was next to me, covered up, pointing up the boar. And I said, will you marry me? Loaded rifle. She goes, I thought you'd never ask. I'll marry you.
But if you ever give me a diamond ring, engagement ring, anything, I'll sell them on eBay. And I said, well, why would you do that? She said, why should De Beers tell me this shiny stone's worth anything? Why should Hallmark Cards tell me tomorrow's Mother's Day? It's marketing. And from that day on, she minimalized me. I can put my life into four suitcases. I only wear blue and white.
But if you ever give me a diamond ring, engagement ring, anything, I'll sell them on eBay. And I said, well, why would you do that? She said, why should De Beers tell me this shiny stone's worth anything? Why should Hallmark Cards tell me tomorrow's Mother's Day? It's marketing. And from that day on, she minimalized me. I can put my life into four suitcases. I only wear blue and white.
Have a look at all my videos. I'm a minimalist. It's liberating. How long have you been a minimalist? Since 2010. It's got rid of everything. And that's when you guys started dating? No, we've been dating for a thousand years. You've been dating for a thousand years. She's my soulmate. It's the rarest thing in the world. A thousand years is a long time.
Have a look at all my videos. I'm a minimalist. It's liberating. How long have you been a minimalist? Since 2010. It's got rid of everything. And that's when you guys started dating? No, we've been dating for a thousand years. You've been dating for a thousand years. She's my soulmate. It's the rarest thing in the world. A thousand years is a long time.
You look pretty good as a thousand-year-old man. That's real hair. So how did we get onto minimalism?
You look pretty good as a thousand-year-old man. That's real hair. So how did we get onto minimalism?
De Beers, a genius monopoly and a complete farce. What is a diamond? It's a shiny stone. It's worthless. So it's from South Africa and you think it's a fraud what they did to diamonds. Well, it's genius. It's not a fraud. It's complete genius to make up a shiny stone. They hang on to it so it makes it seem like it's worth more. A shiny stone. Are we insane as humans? We prize a shiny stone.
De Beers, a genius monopoly and a complete farce. What is a diamond? It's a shiny stone. It's worthless. So it's from South Africa and you think it's a fraud what they did to diamonds. Well, it's genius. It's not a fraud. It's complete genius to make up a shiny stone. They hang on to it so it makes it seem like it's worth more. A shiny stone. Are we insane as humans? We prize a shiny stone.
It's insane. I'd rather have Bitcoin. I'd rather have Bitcoin than that.
It's insane. I'd rather have Bitcoin. I'd rather have Bitcoin than that.
Really? So you can also make diamonds in labs now. De Beers is sitting on a mountain of unsold diamonds. It's the best short in the world. It's the best short in the world. Oh, my God. Oh, in addition to Cadbury's, McDonald's because of Ozempic. Everyone's going to be slim. Everyone's going to be slim. So why would you ever buy Cadbury's, Roundtree's, Burger King?
Really? So you can also make diamonds in labs now. De Beers is sitting on a mountain of unsold diamonds. It's the best short in the world. It's the best short in the world. Oh, my God. Oh, in addition to Cadbury's, McDonald's because of Ozempic. Everyone's going to be slim. Everyone's going to be slim. So why would you ever buy Cadbury's, Roundtree's, Burger King?
And why would you ever buy diamonds? Because they can be made in factories. Get out of those. And this is financial advice. This is financial advice. That's the quote, Rob.
And why would you ever buy diamonds? Because they can be made in factories. Get out of those. And this is financial advice. This is financial advice. That's the quote, Rob.
Short car tiers. Short all of those things. I'm a minimalist. What do you drive? So you would ask me that, wouldn't you? I drive an FJ Cruiser. Toyota FJ Cruiser. Completely pimped. I've got the big tires. I've got a wrap. I've got everything.
Short car tiers. Short all of those things. I'm a minimalist. What do you drive? So you would ask me that, wouldn't you? I drive an FJ Cruiser. Toyota FJ Cruiser. Completely pimped. I've got the big tires. I've got a wrap. I've got everything.
You didn't ask me. So here it goes. Ready? We like, Katie and I like three things. Big houses. Okay. Lots of money in the bank. Yeah. And great experiences. Cool. We like memories for the rocking chair. So any fun, crazy thing we do, it's like.
You didn't ask me. So here it goes. Ready? We like, Katie and I like three things. Big houses. Okay. Lots of money in the bank. Yeah. And great experiences. Cool. We like memories for the rocking chair. So any fun, crazy thing we do, it's like.
That's the one thing. Wouldn't you rather go walk hiking with the gorillas or go to Antarctica for dinner? It's much more fun than some shiny damn watch.
That's the one thing. Wouldn't you rather go walk hiking with the gorillas or go to Antarctica for dinner? It's much more fun than some shiny damn watch.
What a great movie.
What a great movie.
Michael.
Michael.
No, I would love to interview him too. Yeah, well... Listen, Michael Burry. Patrick, can I thank you for everything you're doing? Oh, no, thank you. I mean, you've got a hell of a business here. I love the fact you're sitting on an airport. And I've always wanted to meet you. And here I've met you in your own show. What a treat.
No, I would love to interview him too. Yeah, well... Listen, Michael Burry. Patrick, can I thank you for everything you're doing? Oh, no, thank you. I mean, you've got a hell of a business here. I love the fact you're sitting on an airport. And I've always wanted to meet you. And here I've met you in your own show. What a treat.
Oh, jeez. I wish I'd written them down. And so I spent two and a half years with him. And then he said to me, when he ran into trouble, he tried to buy Time magazine. Remember they did the merger with Warner. He was running into big financial troubles then. And he said to me, okay, you need to go with Barry Diller to LA and work with him on setting up the Fox network.
Oh, jeez. I wish I'd written them down. And so I spent two and a half years with him. And then he said to me, when he ran into trouble, he tried to buy Time magazine. Remember they did the merger with Warner. He was running into big financial troubles then. And he said to me, okay, you need to go with Barry Diller to LA and work with him on setting up the Fox network.
Yeah. And I'm going to say something. We're never going to hear the end of it.
Yeah. And I'm going to say something. We're never going to hear the end of it.
No, it's better than that. I did a video of me and sauce to Katie saying, look who I'm with. I'm going to meet Patrick and now meet sauce. You know, the message sent back, he hasn't heard this. He's hot. Stop it, Kate. She said he's hot. He's hot.
No, it's better than that. I did a video of me and sauce to Katie saying, look who I'm with. I'm going to meet Patrick and now meet sauce. You know, the message sent back, he hasn't heard this. He's hot. Stop it, Kate. She said he's hot. He's hot.
The Time Warner mess, the bidding for time. Did you ever meet Ailes? Were you ever around Roger Ailes? I didn't meet Roger. Never met Roger. He was after me because he kind of came in from left field. Were you around Rupert's kids, the boys? Not as much. They were pretty young. Got it. Yeah. But Rupert, you know, when you were with him, you're the most important person in the world.
The Time Warner mess, the bidding for time. Did you ever meet Ailes? Were you ever around Roger Ailes? I didn't meet Roger. Never met Roger. He was after me because he kind of came in from left field. Were you around Rupert's kids, the boys? Not as much. They were pretty young. Got it. Yeah. But Rupert, you know, when you were with him, you're the most important person in the world.
De Beers is sitting on a mountain of unsold diamonds. The best short in the world.
De Beers is sitting on a mountain of unsold diamonds. The best short in the world.
He'd concentrate, listen. And I remember one story he told me. Can we go off piece here? Sure, of course. We went to... And I can't remember who, somebody's 80th birthday in this expensive 60th, Fifth Avenue apartment. We walk in and Rupert says, I'm going to give you a life lesson. See those people walking towards me as quickly as they can? They're the guys who want to sell me something.
He'd concentrate, listen. And I remember one story he told me. Can we go off piece here? Sure, of course. We went to... And I can't remember who, somebody's 80th birthday in this expensive 60th, Fifth Avenue apartment. We walk in and Rupert says, I'm going to give you a life lesson. See those people walking towards me as quickly as they can? They're the guys who want to sell me something.
But if you look in the corner, there are two guys talking to the host's children. They're the people you need to talk to. They've made it in life. Isn't that interesting? Wow.
But if you look in the corner, there are two guys talking to the host's children. They're the people you need to talk to. They've made it in life. Isn't that interesting? Wow.
Yeah. Talk to them. They'll be the most interesting ones.
Yeah. Talk to them. They'll be the most interesting ones.
Very interesting perspective. And he was nice to the common man. If the queen had offered him a knighthood, he would have turned it down. He wasn't interested in that stuff. He and Elon Musk... I'm a libertarian, conservative, Judeo-Christian... He and Elon Musk we owe an eternal debt of gratitude to.
Very interesting perspective. And he was nice to the common man. If the queen had offered him a knighthood, he would have turned it down. He wasn't interested in that stuff. He and Elon Musk... I'm a libertarian, conservative, Judeo-Christian... He and Elon Musk we owe an eternal debt of gratitude to.
Because Rupert came in with Sky Television, Sky News, Fox TV, the New York Post, and he captured the center-center right, free market, capitalist, Judeo-Christian part of Americans' media. And Elon did the same thing when he bought Twitter and turned it into X. So one is from Australia, one is from South Africa.
Because Rupert came in with Sky Television, Sky News, Fox TV, the New York Post, and he captured the center-center right, free market, capitalist, Judeo-Christian part of Americans' media. And Elon did the same thing when he bought Twitter and turned it into X. So one is from Australia, one is from South Africa.
I met him once at SpaceX, a 20-minute meeting. Fascinating story. What was that like? It was extraordinary because his assistant said, look, your South African will give you the lunch slot, but it's only 20 minutes. He arrived on the second, and I said, well, we better order lunch. He said, I've ordered it already. Turned up. And then he spoke about Tesla and the problems he was having.
I met him once at SpaceX, a 20-minute meeting. Fascinating story. What was that like? It was extraordinary because his assistant said, look, your South African will give you the lunch slot, but it's only 20 minutes. He arrived on the second, and I said, well, we better order lunch. He said, I've ordered it already. Turned up. And then he spoke about Tesla and the problems he was having.
It was 15 years ago. And with two minutes to go, I knew it was 20 minutes and he leaves. I said, Elon, how can I help you? And he looked at me in this weird way and he went, no one's ever asked me that question. And he said, okay, if you hear or see me do anything stupid, let me know because I get no feedback.
It was 15 years ago. And with two minutes to go, I knew it was 20 minutes and he leaves. I said, Elon, how can I help you? And he looked at me in this weird way and he went, no one's ever asked me that question. And he said, okay, if you hear or see me do anything stupid, let me know because I get no feedback.
But here's Elon's attention to detail. He cares. He's extraordinary. And I just say, thank you, Rupert. Thank you, Elon.
But here's Elon's attention to detail. He cares. He's extraordinary. And I just say, thank you, Rupert. Thank you, Elon.
That's Rupert Murdoch.
That's Rupert Murdoch.
So we'd be riding in a cab because we'd hop in a cab now and again in those days, and he'd ask the cab driver, what newspaper do you read? Which page do you turn to first? He absolutely asked. Curious. Curious, yeah. So South Africa. Well, I'll give you quickly my bio. Please, go for it. And I'll do this really, really fast.
So we'd be riding in a cab because we'd hop in a cab now and again in those days, and he'd ask the cab driver, what newspaper do you read? Which page do you turn to first? He absolutely asked. Curious. Curious, yeah. So South Africa. Well, I'll give you quickly my bio. Please, go for it. And I'll do this really, really fast.
In rand.
In rand.
It used to be one-to-one in the 70s, but now it's 20-to-one. 20-to-one. So you've made money. You've made money. You've done okay for yourself. Yeah, I founded Marquee Jet in Europe. I built a big business, Sportel, the biggest sports media internet business in Europe, which failed. So I had a lot of learnings there. I sold MarketJet Europe to NetJets, was vice chairman of NetJets.
It used to be one-to-one in the 70s, but now it's 20-to-one. 20-to-one. So you've made money. You've made money. You've done okay for yourself. Yeah, I founded Marquee Jet in Europe. I built a big business, Sportel, the biggest sports media internet business in Europe, which failed. So I had a lot of learnings there. I sold MarketJet Europe to NetJets, was vice chairman of NetJets.
I'm still a senior advisor to VistaJets. I love the aviation business. And then I've done some very big deals. I owned a third of Air Berlin. And I just won a very big license this morning to do a betting exchange in South Africa. You're the first? I'm the first. Get out of here. Yeah. So Betfair in Australia is the most profitable business in Australia. We have just won the license to do this.
I'm still a senior advisor to VistaJets. I love the aviation business. And then I've done some very big deals. I owned a third of Air Berlin. And I just won a very big license this morning to do a betting exchange in South Africa. You're the first? I'm the first. Get out of here. Yeah. So Betfair in Australia is the most profitable business in Australia. We have just won the license to do this.
Fantastic. That's a big deal. Yeah. And I've done a whole lot of other things. I see you've got a lot of sports teams here. I love rugby, so I'm going to have to get you a Springbok shirt. But I owned Vicenza Culture in Italy. I'm the first foreigner to buy a football team in Italy. I owned it for two years. How was that? Well, it was one of those businesses that had a tiny profit, a tiny club.
Fantastic. That's a big deal. Yeah. And I've done a whole lot of other things. I see you've got a lot of sports teams here. I love rugby, so I'm going to have to get you a Springbok shirt. But I owned Vicenza Culture in Italy. I'm the first foreigner to buy a football team in Italy. I owned it for two years. How was that? Well, it was one of those businesses that had a tiny profit, a tiny club.
And Vicenza, if you're driving in Italy from Milan to Venice, you could have passed Verona. And there's one little turnoff to Vicenza, which no one notices. You go straight on to Venice. I own Vicenza Culture, Vicenza Football Club. And the only piece of silver where they ever won was a month after I bought it. They won the Italian Cup, beating Napoli 1-0.
And Vicenza, if you're driving in Italy from Milan to Venice, you could have passed Verona. And there's one little turnoff to Vicenza, which no one notices. You go straight on to Venice. I own Vicenza Culture, Vicenza Football Club. And the only piece of silver where they ever won was a month after I bought it. They won the Italian Cup, beating Napoli 1-0.
Kensington, we believe it was fentanyl is what everybody's on. I'll find the clip.
Kensington, we believe it was fentanyl is what everybody's on. I'll find the clip.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, exactly.
We've got to find it. That's eight minutes. Let me find an actual version of it.
We've got to find it. That's eight minutes. Let me find an actual version of it.
Clean and sober is one of the biggest damn mistakes this country's ever made. I know it's a hold-your-hand idealistic point of view that somehow magically, I mean, God bless some of you. If you're like me, I've been known to have a glass of wine at night watching some of the nightly news. We all need to self-medicate periodically.
Clean and sober is one of the biggest damn mistakes this country's ever made. I know it's a hold-your-hand idealistic point of view that somehow magically, I mean, God bless some of you. If you're like me, I've been known to have a glass of wine at night watching some of the nightly news. We all need to self-medicate periodically.
Correct.
Correct.
A combination of all three, I think.
A combination of all three, I think.
Yes.
Yes.
Because I've gotten to a place where my hard work is deserved to be rewarded.
Because I've gotten to a place where my hard work is deserved to be rewarded.
I don't think I've ever said this before.
I don't think I've ever said this before.
Unaffiliated.
Unaffiliated.
73.
73.
Walter Washington.
Walter Washington.
1.5 million. Yeah, out of 200 million.
1.5 million. Yeah, out of 200 million.
Let's see.
Let's see.
Oh, my God. This is ridiculous. Now, let me ask you, what do you think about Haagen-Dazs? It's really good ice cream. It's not the best, but it's really good.
Oh, my God. This is ridiculous. Now, let me ask you, what do you think about Haagen-Dazs? It's really good ice cream. It's not the best, but it's really good.
You're saying he worked for Ben and Jerry's? No, no, no, no. He was a senator. He was a U.S.
You're saying he worked for Ben and Jerry's? No, no, no, no. He was a senator. He was a U.S.
No, this is the best one. It's not even close. What is that, dirt? Dirt cake. It's not even close. You know, I've never had dirt. Yeah, pass it over. This is ridiculous. What's this one? Cherry Garcia. Let's see what Cherry Garcia is.
No, this is the best one. It's not even close. What is that, dirt? Dirt cake. It's not even close. You know, I've never had dirt. Yeah, pass it over. This is ridiculous. What's this one? Cherry Garcia. Let's see what Cherry Garcia is.
Just so everybody knows.
Just so everybody knows.
Cherry Garcia.
Cherry Garcia.
I'm the marketing guy.
I'm the marketing guy.
Let's see if he's going to get it.
Let's see if he's going to get it.
Will he get it? He still doesn't have it.
Will he get it? He still doesn't have it.
After a lot of trying.
After a lot of trying.
This is too much for me. Here, here. Shove that in.
This is too much for me. Here, here. Shove that in.
Let me see. It's like medicine. What the hell is this? This is salted caramel truffle? This is a bad look. They're going to have to edit this video because... No, doesn't work for me.
Let me see. It's like medicine. What the hell is this? This is salted caramel truffle? This is a bad look. They're going to have to edit this video because... No, doesn't work for me.
$90,000.
$90,000.
I had a good time.
I had a good time.
No, go for it. Do it.
No, go for it. Do it.
That is super cool.
That is super cool.
You're amazing.
You're amazing.
Do you see it, Rob? It's pretty sick.
Do you see it, Rob? It's pretty sick.
$7.20.
$7.20.
To calculate, it'd be annually $22,000 a year.
To calculate, it'd be annually $22,000 a year.
No.
No.
Not when I was making $22,000 a year.
Not when I was making $22,000 a year.
I saw that it would be quite a bit. Yeah, $3,000 is what I saw.
I saw that it would be quite a bit. Yeah, $3,000 is what I saw.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Deng Xiaoping.
Deng Xiaoping.
Excellent. Thank you.
Excellent. Thank you.
That sounds right.
That sounds right.
The NewsNation clip, and then I also am looking for the Tim Burchett clip.
The NewsNation clip, and then I also am looking for the Tim Burchett clip.
Yes, give me one second.
Yes, give me one second.
Here we go.
Here we go.
So this is from Entertainment Tonight. It's an interview they did with Buzz Aldrin. The date is 10 years ago, and this is where Buzz Aldrin talks about seeing what looks like UFOs when Apollo 11 landed on the moon.
So this is from Entertainment Tonight. It's an interview they did with Buzz Aldrin. The date is 10 years ago, and this is where Buzz Aldrin talks about seeing what looks like UFOs when Apollo 11 landed on the moon.
67.
67.
100%.
100%.
75%.
75%.
It is. It's a Fox News report on this.
It is. It's a Fox News report on this.
I just have a clip of Jimmy Kimmel as well as a clip of Stephen Colbert. Just a good example of their jokes about Trump. Go for it.
I just have a clip of Jimmy Kimmel as well as a clip of Stephen Colbert. Just a good example of their jokes about Trump. Go for it.
I'm taking the over on Leno.
I'm taking the over on Leno.
17 years. And then he came back and re-hosted again from 2010 to 2014.
17 years. And then he came back and re-hosted again from 2010 to 2014.
60.
60.
September 19, 1978.
September 19, 1978.
Go ahead, Rob.
Go ahead, Rob.
4.50?
4.50?
Okay.
Okay.
From the Kremlin now. This has been brought to us by the Reuters news agency. Responding to those remarks made by Donald Trump regarding Vladimir Putin. And the Kremlin says there is some emotional overload at this crucial moment. That is the line being brought to us.
From the Kremlin now. This has been brought to us by the Reuters news agency. Responding to those remarks made by Donald Trump regarding Vladimir Putin. And the Kremlin says there is some emotional overload at this crucial moment. That is the line being brought to us.
quoting the Kremlin, saying, though, that despite Donald Trump saying that Vladimir Putin has gone, I quote, absolutely crazy, the Kremlin saying we're grateful to Trump for assistance in launching the Ukraine peace negotiations and that Russia, it says, had taken decisions necessary for the security of Russia and that it claims that the strikes on Ukraine were on military targets.
quoting the Kremlin, saying, though, that despite Donald Trump saying that Vladimir Putin has gone, I quote, absolutely crazy, the Kremlin saying we're grateful to Trump for assistance in launching the Ukraine peace negotiations and that Russia, it says, had taken decisions necessary for the security of Russia and that it claims that the strikes on Ukraine were on military targets.
9.
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He's like, listen, I gotta tell you. He's like this bad. Let me try to use the button. I think he just eats poison. He eats poison every day.
He's like, listen, I gotta tell you. He's like this bad. Let me try to use the button. I think he just eats poison. He eats poison every day.
This is Karen Bass. Yes, the governor, I'm sorry, the mayor of Los Angeles talking about how the buck stops with her at the firing of Kristen Crowley, the L.A. Fire Chief. But just a week earlier, she then also blames Kristen Crowley. It's a good...
This is Karen Bass. Yes, the governor, I'm sorry, the mayor of Los Angeles talking about how the buck stops with her at the firing of Kristen Crowley, the L.A. Fire Chief. But just a week earlier, she then also blames Kristen Crowley. It's a good...
Und dann, als du die Verantwortung akzeptierst, sagst du, dass Buck mit mir stoppt. Aber du hast sofort die Blamierung zurückgegeben. Und sie hat sie gefeuert.
Und dann, als du die Verantwortung akzeptierst, sagst du, dass Buck mit mir stoppt. Aber du hast sofort die Blamierung zurückgegeben. Und sie hat sie gefeuert.
This is your video? Yes, my video.
This is your video? Yes, my video.
Ich habe einen Clip von Elon Musk. Das ist im Januar, als er darüber sprach, wie die Größe des Governments verringert wird und wie das die Wirtschaft benötigt wird.
Ich habe einen Clip von Elon Musk. Das ist im Januar, als er darüber sprach, wie die Größe des Governments verringert wird und wie das die Wirtschaft benötigt wird.
8%!
8%!
Those spikes, look at where those spikes come. June, the assassination attempt, and then November. So the only time people are watching are when things dramatically happen.
Those spikes, look at where those spikes come. June, the assassination attempt, and then November. So the only time people are watching are when things dramatically happen.
Down here it says the episode dates, but it's looking like she's doing every night. She... So maybe it's a one-hour show.
Down here it says the episode dates, but it's looking like she's doing every night. She... So maybe it's a one-hour show.
Well, this is possibly why Dan Crenshaw said that he wanted to kill Tucker Carlson.
Well, this is possibly why Dan Crenshaw said that he wanted to kill Tucker Carlson.
Today is 14 days.
Today is 14 days.
Which was last Friday. No, last Thursday he was confirmed.
Which was last Friday. No, last Thursday he was confirmed.
So he did a bunch of voice work and then he did Louis the...
So he did a bunch of voice work and then he did Louis the...
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34.
If the guy on the left wins.
If the guy on the left wins.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
This is Anthony Fauci. The first time that he publicly denied that the COVID virus originated from the Wuhan lab and says it could have only come from nature. Go for it.
This is Anthony Fauci. The first time that he publicly denied that the COVID virus originated from the Wuhan lab and says it could have only come from nature. Go for it.
Yeah, I know, but the other video doesn't show the entire interaction. It shows where Nancy Mace picks up and starts recording. Yeah, got it. So now, yeah.
Yeah, I know, but the other video doesn't show the entire interaction. It shows where Nancy Mace picks up and starts recording. Yeah, got it. So now, yeah.
What is this, Rob? Don't be out in public. This is a video Nancy Mace released after the confrontation with the man in the Daisy Dukes at the Walgreens where she talks about the confrontation. Got it.
What is this, Rob? Don't be out in public. This is a video Nancy Mace released after the confrontation with the man in the Daisy Dukes at the Walgreens where she talks about the confrontation. Got it.
So I actually pulled a clip. This is from January. I don't remember. I don't know if you guys remember this, but this was Governor Newsom talking about why they needed to rebuild California during the wildfires and how it ties back to the Olympics.
So I actually pulled a clip. This is from January. I don't remember. I don't know if you guys remember this, but this was Governor Newsom talking about why they needed to rebuild California during the wildfires and how it ties back to the Olympics.
This one was Gavin.
This one was Gavin.
We were going to do it Thursday, but we can put it out tomorrow instead. Oh, no, no. Put it Thursday. Thursday at 9 a.m.
We were going to do it Thursday, but we can put it out tomorrow instead. Oh, no, no. Put it Thursday. Thursday at 9 a.m.
And the link's in the description and in the chat.
And the link's in the description and in the chat.
Yeah, I think so. Yeah. April 22nd, 8 or 3 a.m. Go for it. Go for it. Watch this, folks.
Yeah, I think so. Yeah. April 22nd, 8 or 3 a.m. Go for it. Go for it. Watch this, folks.
He's Captain America. Captain America.
He's Captain America. Captain America.
I don't.
I don't.
Yeah, I'm going to have to grab them. Give me a second.
Yeah, I'm going to have to grab them. Give me a second.
You don't have to have an Asian accent.
You don't have to have an Asian accent.
It says at the bottom, it doesn't say a time from a study of 320 online shows with a right-leaning or left-leaning ideological bent, including 111 shows that self-identify on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. So it doesn't give an actual time frame.
It says at the bottom, it doesn't say a time from a study of 320 online shows with a right-leaning or left-leaning ideological bent, including 111 shows that self-identify on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. So it doesn't give an actual time frame.
National Reading Month.
National Reading Month.
So Rachel Maddow's contract, the one that she had a 30 million dollar contract, they renegotiated down to 25 million dollars a year. That 25 million dollars a year is for a once a week episode, with the exception of the first hundred days of Donald Trump's presidency, in which Rachel Maddow has contractually obligated or committed to broadcasting nightly.
So Rachel Maddow's contract, the one that she had a 30 million dollar contract, they renegotiated down to 25 million dollars a year. That 25 million dollars a year is for a once a week episode, with the exception of the first hundred days of Donald Trump's presidency, in which Rachel Maddow has contractually obligated or committed to broadcasting nightly.
on MSNBC, but once that 100 days is done, she goes back to $25 million a year for one night a week, an hour-long show.
on MSNBC, but once that 100 days is done, she goes back to $25 million a year for one night a week, an hour-long show.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes, with Andrew Schultz. And then Friday we have Dr. Ron Paul on the program.
Yes, with Andrew Schultz. And then Friday we have Dr. Ron Paul on the program.
Yeah, I have two short clips. One of him explaining what he believes the drones are and then the second about a nuclear warhead.
Yeah, I have two short clips. One of him explaining what he believes the drones are and then the second about a nuclear warhead.
Great.
Great.
Five and 17.
Five and 17.
Yes, this is from Meet the Press, and then I have Adam Schiff.
Yes, this is from Meet the Press, and then I have Adam Schiff.
Yes, I can find that. I have Howard Lutnick right here on MSNBC talking about the odds.
Yes, I can find that. I have Howard Lutnick right here on MSNBC talking about the odds.
Yes, because this is Meet the Press, so this is Sunday.
Yes, because this is Meet the Press, so this is Sunday.
This is with Maria Bartiromo where he talks about he doesn't like to predict things like that.
This is with Maria Bartiromo where he talks about he doesn't like to predict things like that.
There we go.
There we go.
National Book Month.
National Book Month.
I can give you the results. So in total, securing the border, 33%. That's in first place. Second place, battling the woke agenda at 28%. In third place, making the economy great again, 27%. And in 10%, the transparency.
I can give you the results. So in total, securing the border, 33%. That's in first place. Second place, battling the woke agenda at 28%. In third place, making the economy great again, 27%. And in 10%, the transparency.
I do have this video. Yeah, I don't know if we can show that for you. How graphic is this one? But this is an unidentified Assyrian Christian talking about how the media is not reporting on what is going on, that there are people going through and killing women and children in the region.
I do have this video. Yeah, I don't know if we can show that for you. How graphic is this one? But this is an unidentified Assyrian Christian talking about how the media is not reporting on what is going on, that there are people going through and killing women and children in the region.
This is what was sent. This is President Trump, I believe, 10 years ago regarding Assad. Let's hear the clip. Go for it.
This is what was sent. This is President Trump, I believe, 10 years ago regarding Assad. Let's hear the clip. Go for it.
Go for it, Rob. What is she saying here? I believe so. I can play it. I have not listened to it yet.
Go for it, Rob. What is she saying here? I believe so. I can play it. I have not listened to it yet.
I have this one where he talks about Donald Trump.
I have this one where he talks about Donald Trump.
I got it. Hold on.
I got it. Hold on.
No, I'm looking for that as well right now. But this is another clip of him where he talks about the tariffs from Trump and their effect on the Canadian economy.
No, I'm looking for that as well right now. But this is another clip of him where he talks about the tariffs from Trump and their effect on the Canadian economy.
And then here's the final clip. I believe this is the one you were looking for. Go for it.
And then here's the final clip. I believe this is the one you were looking for. Go for it.
The actual election is October 20th of 2025. You are way off.
The actual election is October 20th of 2025. You are way off.
Yes, four federal emergency management agency employees who were the ones that diverted the money to house the illegal migrants in New York City are going to be fired by FEMA today.
Yes, four federal emergency management agency employees who were the ones that diverted the money to house the illegal migrants in New York City are going to be fired by FEMA today.
Yes.
Yes.
The public is aware of the mismanagement, the improper payments, et cetera.
The public is aware of the mismanagement, the improper payments, et cetera.
09. 09.
09. 09.
85?
85?
The only thing that I can show from the Super Bowl is this commercial that was released.
The only thing that I can show from the Super Bowl is this commercial that was released.
I can show that to you guys if you guys haven't seen it, but we just won't show it.
I can show that to you guys if you guys haven't seen it, but we just won't show it.
The Compton connection. She's from Compton. We know.
The Compton connection. She's from Compton. We know.
RC, you and I both know. Even if she's not from Compton, everybody knows her and Drake were together at one point in time.
RC, you and I both know. Even if she's not from Compton, everybody knows her and Drake were together at one point in time.
I do. Yes.
I do. Yes.
This is Donald Trump yesterday with Bibi Netanyahu from the White House.
This is Donald Trump yesterday with Bibi Netanyahu from the White House.
I'll find a shorter one.
I'll find a shorter one.
That's the same.
That's the same.
63,000.
63,000.
71?
71?
This is President Trump yesterday with Netanyahu from the White House where he talks about possibly meeting with Iran this Saturday for a nuclear deal. Go for it.
This is President Trump yesterday with Netanyahu from the White House where he talks about possibly meeting with Iran this Saturday for a nuclear deal. Go for it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
About the entire conversation?
About the entire conversation?
He got very emotional towards the end. Tears.
He got very emotional towards the end. Tears.
February 9th, 2025.
February 9th, 2025.
Around 10.30.
Around 10.30.
According to CBS News, yes, it's Don Junior.
According to CBS News, yes, it's Don Junior.
90%.
90%.
This was the 6th, so yesterday.
This was the 6th, so yesterday.
comment with this interviewer trying to shut them up and saying white people do you know have you know rape people and stuff too go and play this rob the only one who's been murdered by a muslim gang you probably don't i do you're only 15 year old girls that you know that you've grown up with that have been raped or pimped you don't so i don't expect you to understand these are all personal issues of yours personal issues in towns and cities like mine that are happening and they're not happening with the Sikh community they're not happening with the Jewish community they're not happening with most muslims
comment with this interviewer trying to shut them up and saying white people do you know have you know rape people and stuff too go and play this rob the only one who's been murdered by a muslim gang you probably don't i do you're only 15 year old girls that you know that you've grown up with that have been raped or pimped you don't so i don't expect you to understand these are all personal issues of yours personal issues in towns and cities like mine that are happening and they're not happening with the Sikh community they're not happening with the Jewish community they're not happening with most muslims
No, they're happening within the Islamic community. This one's saying that it's an Islamic problem. And I'm just a simple person, so I'm just a normal person. But when I'm looking at it, I have to look for where this hatred is coming from.
No, they're happening within the Islamic community. This one's saying that it's an Islamic problem. And I'm just a simple person, so I'm just a normal person. But when I'm looking at it, I have to look for where this hatred is coming from.
Of course I'm not. No, but I'm saying some of these specific issues are coming from the Islamic community, solely the Islamic community. Terrorists wanting to blow us up, constant hostile activity towards our youth, all these problems. And from sitting back, there's got to be something it's coming from. None of the other communities are spreading it. You're trying to point out a fact.
Of course I'm not. No, but I'm saying some of these specific issues are coming from the Islamic community, solely the Islamic community. Terrorists wanting to blow us up, constant hostile activity towards our youth, all these problems. And from sitting back, there's got to be something it's coming from. None of the other communities are spreading it. You're trying to point out a fact.
We're a symptom of the problem. The English Defence League are a symptom.
We're a symptom of the problem. The English Defence League are a symptom.
Yeah, similar to what Vinny's saying, different father who had to contact the police 200 different times to try and get help after his daughter was being gang raped, according to Tommy Robinson by a group of Muslim men.
Yeah, similar to what Vinny's saying, different father who had to contact the police 200 different times to try and get help after his daughter was being gang raped, according to Tommy Robinson by a group of Muslim men.
Yes.
Yes.
The Victory Rally is on the 19th.
The Victory Rally is on the 19th.
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529.
This is Mohamed Hajib. I believe he was on the podcast before. Pronounce his name, Chris. Hijab. Okay.
This is Mohamed Hajib. I believe he was on the podcast before. Pronounce his name, Chris. Hijab. Okay.
They're defending. He's defending. Mohamed is sex with children and calls pedophilia relative.
They're defending. He's defending. Mohamed is sex with children and calls pedophilia relative.
The whole clip, you need the context.
The whole clip, you need the context.
Yes, according to traditional Islamic sources.
Yes, according to traditional Islamic sources.
Oh, I asked, according to Islam, did Muhammad marry Aisha at six years old? And it says, yes, Aisha was one of the wives of Prophet Muhammad who was betrothed to him when she was around six years old.
Oh, I asked, according to Islam, did Muhammad marry Aisha at six years old? And it says, yes, Aisha was one of the wives of Prophet Muhammad who was betrothed to him when she was around six years old.
I'm not sure. I'll have to look.
I'm not sure. I'll have to look.
Well, conflicting reports. So at first it came out that the police verified that that email was true. However, over the weekend, it turns out that according to the police, that email is not accurate. And then Sean Ryan, I believe, released an apology or a statement stating that he was misinformed when he released that.
Well, conflicting reports. So at first it came out that the police verified that that email was true. However, over the weekend, it turns out that according to the police, that email is not accurate. And then Sean Ryan, I believe, released an apology or a statement stating that he was misinformed when he released that.
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282.
Play both of them.
Play both of them.
Unemployed insurance benefits?
Unemployed insurance benefits?
This is Danielle Smith.
This is Danielle Smith.
2016.
2016.
2025.
2025.
So apparently there are students from Temple that had bottle service at one of the clubs or bars that Dave Portnoy owns in Philadelphia. Part of the bottle service, you get this sign that you can put anything on the marquee. The people that were in that bottle service area put this on there and then it went viral all over the internet Saturday into Sunday.
So apparently there are students from Temple that had bottle service at one of the clubs or bars that Dave Portnoy owns in Philadelphia. Part of the bottle service, you get this sign that you can put anything on the marquee. The people that were in that bottle service area put this on there and then it went viral all over the internet Saturday into Sunday.
Ja, wenn du jemals über einen McDonalds fährst oder wo sie die Läufer vorne haben, ist es die gleiche Läuferung, die sie aufsetzen. Also ist es nicht ein digitaler Läufer. Jemand hat das tatsächlich auf der Läufer geschrieben. Verstanden.
Ja, wenn du jemals über einen McDonalds fährst oder wo sie die Läufer vorne haben, ist es die gleiche Läuferung, die sie aufsetzen. Also ist es nicht ein digitaler Läufer. Jemand hat das tatsächlich auf der Läufer geschrieben. Verstanden.
No, you'd have to go and find all of these letters, then put them in. Yeah.
No, you'd have to go and find all of these letters, then put them in. Yeah.
Yes, I have his initial reaction.
Yes, I have his initial reaction.
M-O-Khan. According to Temple News, which is where they're saying he's a student at, that is who they identify as being responsible.
M-O-Khan. According to Temple News, which is where they're saying he's a student at, that is who they identify as being responsible.
Es ist interessant, dass du den Boden dort schießt. Es ist günstiger, 100 amerikanische Leute nach Irland zu bringen, als den Fuchs über die Lotte zu fahren. Richtig. Über die Soundstage und es dort zu machen. Wahnsinn. Glaubst du, wenn wir jetzt Parks schießen, wären wir in Rudabas? 100 Prozent.
Es ist interessant, dass du den Boden dort schießt. Es ist günstiger, 100 amerikanische Leute nach Irland zu bringen, als den Fuchs über die Lotte zu fahren. Richtig. Über die Soundstage und es dort zu machen. Wahnsinn. Glaubst du, wenn wir jetzt Parks schießen, wären wir in Rudabas? 100 Prozent.
1987.
1987.
3.4%.
3.4%.
48.
48.
This is Trump yesterday, late last night, discussing the United States seizing some of Ukraine's precious metals in return for the foreign aid.
This is Trump yesterday, late last night, discussing the United States seizing some of Ukraine's precious metals in return for the foreign aid.
I do. I have Jamie Raskin. I have a few clips. I can start with the Ilhan Omar.
I do. I have Jamie Raskin. I have a few clips. I can start with the Ilhan Omar.
So here's Trump actually stating that. I also have Caroline Leavitt who issues, she reads some of the waste from USAID and then I have Jamie Raskin.
So here's Trump actually stating that. I also have Caroline Leavitt who issues, she reads some of the waste from USAID and then I have Jamie Raskin.
Yeah. And this is who, Robbie? Caroline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, talking about some of the waste.
Yeah. And this is who, Robbie? Caroline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, talking about some of the waste.
There's a few clips. This is where he says specifically 25% retaliatory tariffs against the United States.
There's a few clips. This is where he says specifically 25% retaliatory tariffs against the United States.
Thank you.
Thank you.
No, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no.
After observing differences between a preview clip and the full broadcast, President Trump's legal team became aware of potential editing discrepancies. Wow. That's good on his team. Going, wait a minute. She didn't say that. Yeah, by the way, the interview lasted 45 minutes, but it was edited down to a 20-minute segment for broadcast. So they chopped out 25 other minutes.
After observing differences between a preview clip and the full broadcast, President Trump's legal team became aware of potential editing discrepancies. Wow. That's good on his team. Going, wait a minute. She didn't say that. Yeah, by the way, the interview lasted 45 minutes, but it was edited down to a 20-minute segment for broadcast. So they chopped out 25 other minutes.
But that's not a big deal. No, no. They do that often.
But that's not a big deal. No, no. They do that often.
I have it.
I have it.
This is some of the liberal reaction to the rumors.
This is some of the liberal reaction to the rumors.
I have two. The one... I have a clip of him talking about Stormy Daniels, so this has to be sometime in early 2024. And then the only other clip I have in our archive, and our archive goes back to the beginning of January 2024 until now, there's two clips. The one we just played of Day 52, and then one of him talking about Stormy Daniels from May 9th of 2024.
I have two. The one... I have a clip of him talking about Stormy Daniels, so this has to be sometime in early 2024. And then the only other clip I have in our archive, and our archive goes back to the beginning of January 2024 until now, there's two clips. The one we just played of Day 52, and then one of him talking about Stormy Daniels from May 9th of 2024.
We have a ton.
We have a ton.
It's not loading. Normally when I do the view clips, I label it with the host name rather than the show.
It's not loading. Normally when I do the view clips, I label it with the host name rather than the show.
$25 million a year.
$25 million a year.
If that.
If that.
I can read it. I can't zoom in because it's a video, but it's 270,425.
I can read it. I can't zoom in because it's a video, but it's 270,425.
And then this year, in the first few months,
And then this year, in the first few months,
900,649.
900,649.
Nonresponsive.
Nonresponsive.
And he called back, right?
And he called back, right?
It keeps coming back to 2024.
It keeps coming back to 2024.
Yeah, we have that one here.
Yeah, we have that one here.
I'll comply with all the ethical guidelines.
I'll comply with all the ethical guidelines.
You're asking me, Senator, you're asking me not to serve vaccine.
You're asking me, Senator, you're asking me not to serve vaccine.
Senator, I support vaccines. I support the childhood schedule.
Senator, I support vaccines. I support the childhood schedule.
Correct, and there's more, actually, if you give me one second.
Correct, and there's more, actually, if you give me one second.
This is RFK finishing the confirmation hearing, his final message. And then I also have the reaction from inside the confirmation room.
This is RFK finishing the confirmation hearing, his final message. And then I also have the reaction from inside the confirmation room.
Yes.
Yes.
That was Secretary of Health and Human Services.
That was Secretary of Health and Human Services.
This is him talking about how he prays every single day for the last 20 years to be able to be in a position to do something about the health pandemic, which is a good juxtapose to him being a predator from his sister, or Caroline Kennedy. And then I also have the McDonald's clip.
This is him talking about how he prays every single day for the last 20 years to be able to be in a position to do something about the health pandemic, which is a good juxtapose to him being a predator from his sister, or Caroline Kennedy. And then I also have the McDonald's clip.
in this country that we must face honestly. And the first thing I've done every morning for the past 20 years is to get on my knees and pray to God that he would put me in a position to end the chronic disease epidemic and to help America's children. That's why I'm so grateful to President Trump for the opportunity to sit before you today and seek your support and partnership in this endeavor.
in this country that we must face honestly. And the first thing I've done every morning for the past 20 years is to get on my knees and pray to God that he would put me in a position to end the chronic disease epidemic and to help America's children. That's why I'm so grateful to President Trump for the opportunity to sit before you today and seek your support and partnership in this endeavor.
This is the McDonald's clip.
This is the McDonald's clip.
Go for it. Understand it and make sure that Americans are away. But I don't want to take... Food away from anybody. If you like a cheeseburger, a McDonald's cheeseburger, a Diet Coke, which my boss loves, you should be able to get them. If you want to eat Hostess Twinkies, you should be able to do that. But you should know what the impacts are on your family and on your health.
Go for it. Understand it and make sure that Americans are away. But I don't want to take... Food away from anybody. If you like a cheeseburger, a McDonald's cheeseburger, a Diet Coke, which my boss loves, you should be able to get them. If you want to eat Hostess Twinkies, you should be able to do that. But you should know what the impacts are on your family and on your health.
So it's two separate clips, but they're both very short.
So it's two separate clips, but they're both very short.
Should I be so privileged as to be confirmed, we will make sure our tax dollars support healthy foods. We will scrutinize the chemical additives in our food supply. We will remove financial conflicts of interest from our agencies. We will create an honest, unbiased, gold standard science at HHS, accountable to the president, to Congress, and to the American people.
Should I be so privileged as to be confirmed, we will make sure our tax dollars support healthy foods. We will scrutinize the chemical additives in our food supply. We will remove financial conflicts of interest from our agencies. We will create an honest, unbiased, gold standard science at HHS, accountable to the president, to Congress, and to the American people.
We will reverse the chronic disease epidemic and put the nation back on the road to good health. Thank you.
We will reverse the chronic disease epidemic and put the nation back on the road to good health. Thank you.
And here is the reaction as he finishes. This is awesome. Can you see this?
And here is the reaction as he finishes. This is awesome. Can you see this?
Mr. Kennedy, I look forward to working with you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We're adjourned.
Mr. Kennedy, I look forward to working with you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We're adjourned.
That is a pejorative, Senator, that's applied to me mainly to keep me from asking difficult questions of powerful interest. I was told that I was a conspiracy theorist. That label was applied to me because I said that the vaccines, the COVID vaccine, didn't prevent transmission and it wouldn't prevent infection. When the government was telling people, Americans, that it would.
That is a pejorative, Senator, that's applied to me mainly to keep me from asking difficult questions of powerful interest. I was told that I was a conspiracy theorist. That label was applied to me because I said that the vaccines, the COVID vaccine, didn't prevent transmission and it wouldn't prevent infection. When the government was telling people, Americans, that it would.
I was saying that because I was looking at the monkey studies in May of 2020. I was called a conspirator. Now everybody admits it. I was called a conspiracy theorist because I said red dye caused cancer. And now FDA has acknowledged that and banned it. I was called a conspiracy theorist because I said fluoride lowered IQ.
I was saying that because I was looking at the monkey studies in May of 2020. I was called a conspirator. Now everybody admits it. I was called a conspiracy theorist because I said red dye caused cancer. And now FDA has acknowledged that and banned it. I was called a conspiracy theorist because I said fluoride lowered IQ.
Last week, JAMA published a meta review of 87 studies saying that there's a direct inverse correlation between IQ loss. All right, so I'm going to assume a lot of... I could go on for about a week.
Last week, JAMA published a meta review of 87 studies saying that there's a direct inverse correlation between IQ loss. All right, so I'm going to assume a lot of... I could go on for about a week.
I have a few. I have the tweet that you put out last night, if you'd like, that video where Trump talks about people being fired if they don't return to the office by February 6th.
I have a few. I have the tweet that you put out last night, if you'd like, that video where Trump talks about people being fired if they don't return to the office by February 6th.
Will Trump make an in-person appearance at the Super Bowl?
Will Trump make an in-person appearance at the Super Bowl?
No, I have that. Hang on one second. That's Stephen Miller right there.
No, I have that. Hang on one second. That's Stephen Miller right there.
So there's two instances. One happened yesterday where they caught 40 migrants. And then nine days prior in the same town, they found 26 Chinese migrants. This is the overhead helicopter news coverage of them busting the 40 in the van yesterday. Go for it. Go ahead.
So there's two instances. One happened yesterday where they caught 40 migrants. And then nine days prior in the same town, they found 26 Chinese migrants. This is the overhead helicopter news coverage of them busting the 40 in the van yesterday. Go for it. Go ahead.
So this is the very first instance, which happened about 12 days ago, and this is in Coral Gables. This is the story that you just read, the 26th, I think. Go for it.
So this is the very first instance, which happened about 12 days ago, and this is in Coral Gables. This is the story that you just read, the 26th, I think. Go for it.
So I found a bunch of different clips. I'm waiting for Brandon to send me the right one.
So I found a bunch of different clips. I'm waiting for Brandon to send me the right one.
That's it.
That's it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I haven't been able to hear that or listen to that, but yes.
I haven't been able to hear that or listen to that, but yes.
This is the farewell to CNN viewers, and then the second one, I have that as well. This is the tweet that he put out about his substance.
This is the farewell to CNN viewers, and then the second one, I have that as well. This is the tweet that he put out about his substance.
This was, yes, this was the tweet that he put out.
This was, yes, this was the tweet that he put out.
I do.
I do.
So my six-month premium came up this week, and I had to re-sign with my auto insurer. And my auto insurance went without any accidents, without any tickets, without adding any new vehicles. We went from $350 a month for four different vehicles. I have two Jeeps, a camper van. Those are all $70, $70, and $90. So in total, I'm paying, what was it, $230 for those vehicles.
So my six-month premium came up this week, and I had to re-sign with my auto insurer. And my auto insurance went without any accidents, without any tickets, without adding any new vehicles. We went from $350 a month for four different vehicles. I have two Jeeps, a camper van. Those are all $70, $70, and $90. So in total, I'm paying, what was it, $230 for those vehicles.
And then on top of that, I was paying an additional $120 for my Tesla each month. All of a sudden, I got the new six-month premium. It went from $350 a month to $460 a month for all four vehicles. The only thing I can think of is that my Tesla is costing more because the other vehicles haven't. It's a 2012 Jeep, a 2008 Jeep, and a 1997 Dodge camper van.
And then on top of that, I was paying an additional $120 for my Tesla each month. All of a sudden, I got the new six-month premium. It went from $350 a month to $460 a month for all four vehicles. The only thing I can think of is that my Tesla is costing more because the other vehicles haven't. It's a 2012 Jeep, a 2008 Jeep, and a 1997 Dodge camper van.
It's not like State Farm is trying to milk me on the cost for this. So the only vehicle that we have that could see that price increase was the Tesla.
It's not like State Farm is trying to milk me on the cost for this. So the only vehicle that we have that could see that price increase was the Tesla.
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568.
She didn't get fired. She on January 20th of 2025, when the Biden administration left and the Trump administration took over, she stepped down. But she was not fired for that. OK. And she was moments later. What would have happened? She was the head of FEMA.
She didn't get fired. She on January 20th of 2025, when the Biden administration left and the Trump administration took over, she stepped down. But she was not fired for that. OK. And she was moments later. What would have happened? She was the head of FEMA.
I couldn't see. It's cut off, so I'm not sure.
I couldn't see. It's cut off, so I'm not sure.
1.6. No, no.
1.6. No, no.
562 user reviews. No, that's not the one, Rob.
562 user reviews. No, that's not the one, Rob.
163,000 reviews. I just texted it to you.
163,000 reviews. I just texted it to you.
32.6.
32.6.
7.6?
7.6?
80%.
80%.
No, Monday we'll have an interview coming out. Stay tuned for more.
No, Monday we'll have an interview coming out. Stay tuned for more.
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Bum, bum, bum. Oh, what is it?
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28.
I love it. Keep going, bro.
I love it. Keep going, bro.
Channel 5. 5 is the best number. 30 seconds.
Channel 5. 5 is the best number. 30 seconds.
I got every problem with the government saying we can't go out. That's a prohibition. It's illegal. It's against the Constitution. I'm immune compromised.
I got every problem with the government saying we can't go out. That's a prohibition. It's illegal. It's against the Constitution. I'm immune compromised.
Freedom!
Freedom!
$42. $42.
$42. $42.
This is a clip from earlier this month. He's talked about this a few times, but this is him explaining exactly why he wants to run for president.
This is a clip from earlier this month. He's talked about this a few times, but this is him explaining exactly why he wants to run for president.
It's only 39 seconds.
It's only 39 seconds.
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Trump. Trump. Orban, Millet, Orban, and you. And PBD.
Trump. Trump. Orban, Millet, Orban, and you. And PBD.
So I have both Harry Enten and I also have Trump.
So I have both Harry Enten and I also have Trump.
I'm not sure. This was her response to Elon Musk and everybody saying she was trying to get Elon Musk's attention. And the entire release of the information regarding her being pregnant with his baby was because he was ignoring her calls. So she went public with it on Twitter. I believe I cannot confirm this, but I'd have to look further into it.
I'm not sure. This was her response to Elon Musk and everybody saying she was trying to get Elon Musk's attention. And the entire release of the information regarding her being pregnant with his baby was because he was ignoring her calls. So she went public with it on Twitter. I believe I cannot confirm this, but I'd have to look further into it.
I believe the tweet has been deleted that Ashley put up.
I believe the tweet has been deleted that Ashley put up.
Yes. This is apparently from, I believe, 2023 or 2024 when the first two met.
Yes. This is apparently from, I believe, 2023 or 2024 when the first two met.
The reports are that he unfollowed her, but I can't substantiate that through any type of credible news source. It's just people on Twitter stating that.
The reports are that he unfollowed her, but I can't substantiate that through any type of credible news source. It's just people on Twitter stating that.
This has been the case. We cannot show it, Rob. We can play it and dispute it because it is covered under fair use. So we should be fine to play it.
This has been the case. We cannot show it, Rob. We can play it and dispute it because it is covered under fair use. So we should be fine to play it.
2023.
2023.
2020.
2020.
Look at this.
Look at this.
Bring it out.
Bring it out.
The previous administration had priorities about who to let in, including, you know, all kinds of folks who I would argue shouldn't be here. This administration, I guess, is going to set priorities about who and who not to let in.
The previous administration had priorities about who to let in, including, you know, all kinds of folks who I would argue shouldn't be here. This administration, I guess, is going to set priorities about who and who not to let in.
But you voted for him.
But you voted for him.
But you voted to extend the immigration policies of the last administration.
But you voted to extend the immigration policies of the last administration.
The point is, you're in a party that opened the borders, and I'm in a party that closed the borders, and I think the American people prefer our way. Well, he's closed the borders.
The point is, you're in a party that opened the borders, and I'm in a party that closed the borders, and I think the American people prefer our way. Well, he's closed the borders.
2020.
2020.
225.
225.
You want to go to Marco? We'll do this for crime.
You want to go to Marco? We'll do this for crime.
13%.
13%.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
David Walker.
David Walker.
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109.
Right. It's kind of weird that you can say he has no power, but he's in charge of the city. And when they went after Pritzker in Illinois, they named Chicago and they went after the mayor. I'm just saying, you know, if you're going after the city of Chicago, you name the mayor.
Right. It's kind of weird that you can say he has no power, but he's in charge of the city. And when they went after Pritzker in Illinois, they named Chicago and they went after the mayor. I'm just saying, you know, if you're going after the city of Chicago, you name the mayor.
Yes.
Yes.
100%.
100%.
So this is the Deputy Defense Press Secretary, Sabrina Singh, where she came out yesterday after Congressman Van Drew said that they were from Iran. She came out and said that they were not.
So this is the Deputy Defense Press Secretary, Sabrina Singh, where she came out yesterday after Congressman Van Drew said that they were from Iran. She came out and said that they were not.
No, this is actually, he is the CEO of the parent company that owns The Onion. This is back from November where he talked about them winning the bid, The Onion winning the bid.
No, this is actually, he is the CEO of the parent company that owns The Onion. This is back from November where he talked about them winning the bid, The Onion winning the bid.
You want to play Alex first? Because Alex lays out what exactly happened.
You want to play Alex first? Because Alex lays out what exactly happened.
No, Alex's clip is from November as well. It's when he first finds out.
No, Alex's clip is from November as well. It's when he first finds out.
Alex came first. This came second.
Alex came first. This came second.
Go to the other clip, Rob. And this is Ben Collins, the CEO of the parent company of The Onion, talking about why they wanted to own Alex Jones' InfoWars. Let's hear it.
Go to the other clip, Rob. And this is Ben Collins, the CEO of the parent company of The Onion, talking about why they wanted to own Alex Jones' InfoWars. Let's hear it.
It's ahrefs.com.
It's ahrefs.com.
Let me try a different way. Give me one second.
Let me try a different way. Give me one second.
So who is ahead, Rob? It says, according to this website, Babylon Bee is at 95.5 thousand and The Onion is at 273 thousand. So Onion is still ahead.
So who is ahead, Rob? It says, according to this website, Babylon Bee is at 95.5 thousand and The Onion is at 273 thousand. So Onion is still ahead.
$1.75 million in cash, and then part of that settlement was $750,000 that would go to the families of the Sandy Hook victims.
$1.75 million in cash, and then part of that settlement was $750,000 that would go to the families of the Sandy Hook victims.
It didn't. It said that the financial terms of the deal were not publicly disclosed.
It didn't. It said that the financial terms of the deal were not publicly disclosed.
Play this clip. So I can't play it. She has music in the background, but this is the clip.
Play this clip. So I can't play it. She has music in the background, but this is the clip.
No, next week, Oliver Stone, Tony Robbins, and two home team podcasts. Oh, we have a bunch of things tomorrow. Okay, sounds good.
No, next week, Oliver Stone, Tony Robbins, and two home team podcasts. Oh, we have a bunch of things tomorrow. Okay, sounds good.
This is Caroline Leavitt announcing that yesterday. Go for it. Play this clip.
This is Caroline Leavitt announcing that yesterday. Go for it. Play this clip.
I can find it while we play the video.
I can find it while we play the video.
Hat number one.
Hat number one.
I do. This is Governor Ron DeSantis talking about the bill. Go for it.
I do. This is Governor Ron DeSantis talking about the bill. Go for it.
Well, so the Russians tested the skull that they found in the bunker. And what they say, the skull that they claim belonged to Adolf Hitler was actually the skull of a woman in her 30s or early 40s. Which would have been Eva Braun. So the CIA... Wait a minute.
Well, so the Russians tested the skull that they found in the bunker. And what they say, the skull that they claim belonged to Adolf Hitler was actually the skull of a woman in her 30s or early 40s. Which would have been Eva Braun. So the CIA... Wait a minute.
Yes, and that's him with another guard from the SS who had escaped to South America.
Yes, and that's him with another guard from the SS who had escaped to South America.
This is Pete Hegseth. He was at the canal. I believe this was yesterday or on Tuesday where he talks pretty much about what Penny had said.
This is Pete Hegseth. He was at the canal. I believe this was yesterday or on Tuesday where he talks pretty much about what Penny had said.
Yes, this came out at 2.19 a.m. our time this morning.
Yes, this came out at 2.19 a.m. our time this morning.
Kind of reminds me of what happened in Canada with the truckers.
Kind of reminds me of what happened in Canada with the truckers.
I mean, they froze their bank accounts. Yeah. Or people who donated to them.
I mean, they froze their bank accounts. Yeah. Or people who donated to them.
People who donated to them got their bank accounts frozen.
People who donated to them got their bank accounts frozen.
If they didn't have good bear hunting, I would never go there.
If they didn't have good bear hunting, I would never go there.
Let me, I have a different perspective on this than you guys do. And I'm doing a podcast on this later today. My podcast can't cancel. Go ahead. Definitely check that out. All right. So there's multiple strategies going on here. First of all, we say the Democrats can't stand up for this child, can't applaud anything that Trump is doing. Yeah, gross. We all know that, right?
Let me, I have a different perspective on this than you guys do. And I'm doing a podcast on this later today. My podcast can't cancel. Go ahead. Definitely check that out. All right. So there's multiple strategies going on here. First of all, we say the Democrats can't stand up for this child, can't applaud anything that Trump is doing. Yeah, gross. We all know that, right?
Because, you know, I used to be a Democrat. I'll never vote for Democrats again as long as I'm breathing on this earth. It's just never going to happen. But you have to understand that there's a two-pronged strategy going on here right now with Democrats. First of all, all of these people that are pulling these stunts in the State of the Union, and by the way...
Because, you know, I used to be a Democrat. I'll never vote for Democrats again as long as I'm breathing on this earth. It's just never going to happen. But you have to understand that there's a two-pronged strategy going on here right now with Democrats. First of all, all of these people that are pulling these stunts in the State of the Union, and by the way...
I was actually able to go in that room. Speaker Johnson had a couple of us on a private tour. Have you ever been in that room? The power in that room is unbelievable, right? So they're obviously very disrespecting of that. But this is all about the social media cloud. This is what they're doing. So they have the Jasmine Crockett's of the world. They have the Al Greens of the world.
I was actually able to go in that room. Speaker Johnson had a couple of us on a private tour. Have you ever been in that room? The power in that room is unbelievable, right? So they're obviously very disrespecting of that. But this is all about the social media cloud. This is what they're doing. So they have the Jasmine Crockett's of the world. They have the Al Greens of the world.
They have all of these people pulling these sons for social media because this is what their base wants, right? So that's one part of the strategy. Der zweite Teil der Strategie ist, dass Sie haben, und wir werden darauf später in der Show eingehen, Sie haben diese zentrischen Demokraten, die sich in die Medien bewegen, und Sie haben Cuomo wieder in New York für den Bürgermeister.
They have all of these people pulling these sons for social media because this is what their base wants, right? So that's one part of the strategy. Der zweite Teil der Strategie ist, dass Sie haben, und wir werden darauf später in der Show eingehen, Sie haben diese zentrischen Demokraten, die sich in die Medien bewegen, und Sie haben Cuomo wieder in New York für den Bürgermeister.
Sie haben Stephen A. Smith, der seine Sache als politische Figur macht, der ein Demokrat ist. Sie haben also alle auf der Internetseite gegründet, indem Sie diese Stunts auswählen, weil das ist, was die Demokraten sind. Sie müssen verstehen, dass ihre Basis das mag. All right. So this is the first year and a half of this, by the way, because the midterms are next fall.
Sie haben Stephen A. Smith, der seine Sache als politische Figur macht, der ein Demokrat ist. Sie haben also alle auf der Internetseite gegründet, indem Sie diese Stunts auswählen, weil das ist, was die Demokraten sind. Sie müssen verstehen, dass ihre Basis das mag. All right. So this is the first year and a half of this, by the way, because the midterms are next fall.
Now we're going to start seeing them become a lot more moderate when it comes closer to 2028. So my argument to all you guys is that is gross is what they are doing is they are doing the right thing for their base.
Now we're going to start seeing them become a lot more moderate when it comes closer to 2028. So my argument to all you guys is that is gross is what they are doing is they are doing the right thing for their base.
Für ihre Basis. Pat, ich tue das absolut. Sie machen das Richtige für ihre Basis, weil sie eine Low-IQ-Basis haben, die nichts hat, aber... Nein, ernsthaft. Nein, ernsthaft.
Für ihre Basis. Pat, ich tue das absolut. Sie machen das Richtige für ihre Basis, weil sie eine Low-IQ-Basis haben, die nichts hat, aber... Nein, ernsthaft. Nein, ernsthaft.
Also, schau, die Demokraten haben eine Low-IQ-Basis, die keine Fakten kennt, die überall auf Social Media sind. Und für eine Low-IQ-Basis, die keine Fakten kennt, die überall auf Social Media sind, kann Jasmine Crockett twerken oder was auch immer für sie funktionieren. Ja. Al Green disrupting and being removed works for them.
Also, schau, die Demokraten haben eine Low-IQ-Basis, die keine Fakten kennt, die überall auf Social Media sind. Und für eine Low-IQ-Basis, die keine Fakten kennt, die überall auf Social Media sind, kann Jasmine Crockett twerken oder was auch immer für sie funktionieren. Ja. Al Green disrupting and being removed works for them.
These stupid signs that they're putting up in the State of the Union, this works for that base. You have to understand who these people are, right? Who at this point would you say is the democratic base? Childless women and gays?
These stupid signs that they're putting up in the State of the Union, this works for that base. You have to understand who these people are, right? Who at this point would you say is the democratic base? Childless women and gays?
Okay, so, Democrat base, childless women, gays, definitely blacks are still a part of the Democratic base, I would say black women. 92% of black women voted for Democrats and still will. So black, childless, gay women. So the WNBA. They're voting for the WNBA.
Okay, so, Democrat base, childless women, gays, definitely blacks are still a part of the Democratic base, I would say black women. 92% of black women voted for Democrats and still will. So black, childless, gay women. So the WNBA. They're voting for the WNBA.
So like, you know, I'm telling you, this is the strategy. I think that it works for that base.
So like, you know, I'm telling you, this is the strategy. I think that it works for that base.
Nothing. Which is the problem. I am not disagreeing that they're in trouble. I am not disagreeing that they don't have a leader. They have no message. Their ideological agenda is being roundly rejected by the American public. But I'm telling you, I know these people. These people attack me on social media every single night. I have this TikTok account. They're all over me, right?
Nothing. Which is the problem. I am not disagreeing that they're in trouble. I am not disagreeing that they don't have a leader. They have no message. Their ideological agenda is being roundly rejected by the American public. But I'm telling you, I know these people. These people attack me on social media every single night. I have this TikTok account. They're all over me, right?
So I look at some of these comments and this is who these people are.
So I look at some of these comments and this is who these people are.
I call it a New York City Republican. It was always a New York City Republican, right? Because, you know, your New York City Republican and your Mississippi Republican are two different people, right? And I think that you really make a good point, because where we're moving now as a society is kind of away from these red-blue binaries. And I think that the tie is a really good example of that.
I call it a New York City Republican. It was always a New York City Republican, right? Because, you know, your New York City Republican and your Mississippi Republican are two different people, right? And I think that you really make a good point, because where we're moving now as a society is kind of away from these red-blue binaries. And I think that the tie is a really good example of that.
Because, look, you know, I made a little video of my ex right before I came here, kind of like promoting the podcast. And the reason that I love Miami, the reason that I love Florida in general, is because you have a lot of people here that are super conservative, super based, but they're not necessarily going to wave the flag like I'm a Republican. They love Trump, right?
Because, look, you know, I made a little video of my ex right before I came here, kind of like promoting the podcast. And the reason that I love Miami, the reason that I love Florida in general, is because you have a lot of people here that are super conservative, super based, but they're not necessarily going to wave the flag like I'm a Republican. They love Trump, right?
But the vast majority of people can't sit here and talk through these issues the way you can. or the way the Hollywood guys that reach out to you can, because they're entrepreneurs. They know business like that, right? The vast majority of people don't. And that's why I do slightly push back on the idea that the Democrats are so lost. They are lost. I think that they're finding their way.
But the vast majority of people can't sit here and talk through these issues the way you can. or the way the Hollywood guys that reach out to you can, because they're entrepreneurs. They know business like that, right? The vast majority of people don't. And that's why I do slightly push back on the idea that the Democrats are so lost. They are lost. I think that they're finding their way.
And it seems like I'm advocating for them. I am not. What I'm saying is that there's a strategy at hand here. And so if they have somebody like a Cuomo, like even a Manchin, like these figures, somebody that rises, and I think that there's somebody who we probably don't even know who they are right now.
And it seems like I'm advocating for them. I am not. What I'm saying is that there's a strategy at hand here. And so if they have somebody like a Cuomo, like even a Manchin, like these figures, somebody that rises, and I think that there's somebody who we probably don't even know who they are right now.
Die Slogans, die die Demokraten haben, wenn sie diese Lügen erzählen, dass Trump ein Abortionen will oder er will das Gutmedikament oder all diese anderen Sachen, richtig? Hitler. Ja, all diese Sachen, richtig? Es funktioniert nicht für dich und ich, weil wir besser wissen.
Die Slogans, die die Demokraten haben, wenn sie diese Lügen erzählen, dass Trump ein Abortionen will oder er will das Gutmedikament oder all diese anderen Sachen, richtig? Hitler. Ja, all diese Sachen, richtig? Es funktioniert nicht für dich und ich, weil wir besser wissen.
But you wrap that messaging up in a masculine male, like white male package that says I'm a Democrat, because the next person that's going to rise up in the Democrats will absolutely be a traditionally masculine white male. All right. And if that person is able to articulate that messaging, they will make a comeback.
But you wrap that messaging up in a masculine male, like white male package that says I'm a Democrat, because the next person that's going to rise up in the Democrats will absolutely be a traditionally masculine white male. All right. And if that person is able to articulate that messaging, they will make a comeback.
It seems like they're in disarray right now and I want them to be, God knows, because I would love to have four years of Trump and eight years of Vance. I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, but there's parts of Vance that appeal to me even more than Trump does in a lot of different ways. But I'm telling you, there's a strategy here and I don't want us to lose sight of that.
It seems like they're in disarray right now and I want them to be, God knows, because I would love to have four years of Trump and eight years of Vance. I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, but there's parts of Vance that appeal to me even more than Trump does in a lot of different ways. But I'm telling you, there's a strategy here and I don't want us to lose sight of that.
Wir spielen das Video hier in einem Minuten, was Newsom, der Podcast, über Charlie Kirk gesagt hat.
Wir spielen das Video hier in einem Minuten, was Newsom, der Podcast, über Charlie Kirk gesagt hat.
Does anybody remember what Zelensky said to Trump to really make him pop off? Do you remember that moment?
Does anybody remember what Zelensky said to Trump to really make him pop off? Do you remember that moment?
You don't tell me what to feel. You don't have the cards, Rob. And there was not enough time spent in all of media and people like, you know, everybody on this panel and all over social media talking about how outrageous that was.
You don't tell me what to feel. You don't have the cards, Rob. And there was not enough time spent in all of media and people like, you know, everybody on this panel and all over social media talking about how outrageous that was.
Wie furchtbar es war, dass er hier kam, dieser Welfare-Queen Zielinski, der sich im Grunde genommen rund um die Welt rumgerufen hat, um Geld zu bekommen, als diese Kriege vor drei Jahren stattgefunden haben. Es ist furchtbar, hier neben dem Präsidenten der USA zu sitzen und zu sagen, dass der Präsident der Vereinigten Staaten sagt, dass er es fühlen wird. Das war, als Trump aufgefallen ist.
Wie furchtbar es war, dass er hier kam, dieser Welfare-Queen Zielinski, der sich im Grunde genommen rund um die Welt rumgerufen hat, um Geld zu bekommen, als diese Kriege vor drei Jahren stattgefunden haben. Es ist furchtbar, hier neben dem Präsidenten der USA zu sitzen und zu sagen, dass der Präsident der Vereinigten Staaten sagt, dass er es fühlen wird. Das war, als Trump aufgefallen ist.
That's when he had to sun Zelensky in front of the whole world. And what happened with that is, like you guys said before, this is somebody that went into this meeting performing for the globalists that are pulling his strings, but also for the American media. Because the American media had propped him up for so many years under the Biden administration.
That's when he had to sun Zelensky in front of the whole world. And what happened with that is, like you guys said before, this is somebody that went into this meeting performing for the globalists that are pulling his strings, but also for the American media. Because the American media had propped him up for so many years under the Biden administration.
Remember, he was addressing the Oscars and he was going to the Grammys. He was begging for money in Hollywood and all this stuff. Man of the year. Yeah. Yeah, that is over. All right. That has ended. And so that's why he came back, by the way, willing to sign that deal when he didn't want to sign it before.
Remember, he was addressing the Oscars and he was going to the Grammys. He was begging for money in Hollywood and all this stuff. Man of the year. Yeah. Yeah, that is over. All right. That has ended. And so that's why he came back, by the way, willing to sign that deal when he didn't want to sign it before.
And by the way, Trump did another presser right after that meeting where they said, oh, do you think that you'll invite someone to come back to the White House? He's already begged me to come back right now. I don't think it's going to happen right now.
And by the way, Trump did another presser right after that meeting where they said, oh, do you think that you'll invite someone to come back to the White House? He's already begged me to come back right now. I don't think it's going to happen right now.
Oh, it's out there. Yeah.
Oh, it's out there. Yeah.
Geh vor. Lass uns über die ganze BLM-Ära sprechen, die ganze Defund the Police-Ära im Jahr 2020, richtig? Ich habe mich einfach in New York verlängert, nachdem ich dort seit vielen Jahren gelebt habe. Wer waren die Leute, die für das Befunden der Polizei antworteten, dass die Polizisten schlecht sind, all diese anderen Sachen? Es waren im Grunde weiße Lippen.
Geh vor. Lass uns über die ganze BLM-Ära sprechen, die ganze Defund the Police-Ära im Jahr 2020, richtig? Ich habe mich einfach in New York verlängert, nachdem ich dort seit vielen Jahren gelebt habe. Wer waren die Leute, die für das Befunden der Polizei antworteten, dass die Polizisten schlecht sind, all diese anderen Sachen? Es waren im Grunde weiße Lippen.
Weiße Lippen, die sowohl lokale Aktivisten als auch Menschen wie Cuomo, AOC, Cory Busch, die Squad-Mitglieder, all diese Leute, AOC, all diese Leute, die die Polizei für sich selbst beschützt hatten. Weißt du, wer dafür nicht antwortete und wer nie dafür antwortete?
Weiße Lippen, die sowohl lokale Aktivisten als auch Menschen wie Cuomo, AOC, Cory Busch, die Squad-Mitglieder, all diese Leute, AOC, all diese Leute, die die Polizei für sich selbst beschützt hatten. Weißt du, wer dafür nicht antwortete und wer nie dafür antwortete?
Die Leute, die in den gefährlichen Gemeinschaften in diesen Städten lebten, die wahrscheinlich nicht Afroamerikaner waren, waren Black-Amerikaner. Diese Leute haben nie dafür geantwortet. Sie würden also die lokalen Nachrichten schauen und diese Leute würden sagen, was sagen diese Leute? Wir wollen mehr Polizisten hier. Die Polizisten machen mich sicher.
Die Leute, die in den gefährlichen Gemeinschaften in diesen Städten lebten, die wahrscheinlich nicht Afroamerikaner waren, waren Black-Amerikaner. Diese Leute haben nie dafür geantwortet. Sie würden also die lokalen Nachrichten schauen und diese Leute würden sagen, was sagen diese Leute? Wir wollen mehr Polizisten hier. Die Polizisten machen mich sicher.
None of the people that were advocating for any of that had to live in any of these cities. They walked around with police protection. It was the height of hypocrisy. And I give Cuomo less credit than you, Pat, for coming out and saying this now that it is the safest possible time for him to ever say this. Because if he was a true leader, he would have gotten up and said that right then and there.
None of the people that were advocating for any of that had to live in any of these cities. They walked around with police protection. It was the height of hypocrisy. And I give Cuomo less credit than you, Pat, for coming out and saying this now that it is the safest possible time for him to ever say this. Because if he was a true leader, he would have gotten up and said that right then and there.
If he was a true leader, he would have stood up to the far left right then and there.
If he was a true leader, he would have stood up to the far left right then and there.
I have some thoughts.
I have some thoughts.
So remember what happened in this country during the Kavanaugh confirmation here. It's completely ridiculous, right? But remember that there were all these leftist protesters that were being activated that were at Kavanaugh's home. This is what I believe. Because Amy Coney Barrett consistently votes against, you know, conservatives, Trump's agenda, etc.
So remember what happened in this country during the Kavanaugh confirmation here. It's completely ridiculous, right? But remember that there were all these leftist protesters that were being activated that were at Kavanaugh's home. This is what I believe. Because Amy Coney Barrett consistently votes against, you know, conservatives, Trump's agenda, etc.
Wer weiß. Ich meine, wir reden immer, Leute wie wir reden immer über Globalismus, über die Agenda, etc. Ich gehe regelmäßig nach D.C. Right. I've been there more in the past six weeks than I've been, I would say, like in the past five years. And if you think that that's not a swamp, if you think that there are so many people in D.C.
Wer weiß. Ich meine, wir reden immer, Leute wie wir reden immer über Globalismus, über die Agenda, etc. Ich gehe regelmäßig nach D.C. Right. I've been there more in the past six weeks than I've been, I would say, like in the past five years. And if you think that that's not a swamp, if you think that there are so many people in D.C.
at every level that are not being influenced and persuaded and blackmailed and pressured by people, it's 100 percent. I mean, you feel it the second you get off the airplane at Reagan. Right. So I think that she's actually being influenced. Very much influenced, very much strong-armed by some people behind the scenes. Because even constitutionally and legally, her rulings make no sense.
at every level that are not being influenced and persuaded and blackmailed and pressured by people, it's 100 percent. I mean, you feel it the second you get off the airplane at Reagan. Right. So I think that she's actually being influenced. Very much influenced, very much strong-armed by some people behind the scenes. Because even constitutionally and legally, her rulings make no sense.
Right.
Right.
Weißt du, was verrückt ist bei DC? Und ich hatte diese Gespräche mit einem der Produzenten, bevor ich auf den Set kam. Wenn du da viel Zeit verwendest, merkst du, wie alt die Leute sind. Und ich meine, diese Leute sind alt, Mann.
Weißt du, was verrückt ist bei DC? Und ich hatte diese Gespräche mit einem der Produzenten, bevor ich auf den Set kam. Wenn du da viel Zeit verwendest, merkst du, wie alt die Leute sind. Und ich meine, diese Leute sind alt, Mann.
They look old, they move old, and it just... When you think about why we have gotten to the place where we have gotten in this country, to where we needed Trump to really come in like a sledgehammer, it's because so many people are so old and out of such... It really is this bubble of just antiquated ideas, antiquated people, and I just... Rob, come on, dude.
They look old, they move old, and it just... When you think about why we have gotten to the place where we have gotten in this country, to where we needed Trump to really come in like a sledgehammer, it's because so many people are so old and out of such... It really is this bubble of just antiquated ideas, antiquated people, and I just... Rob, come on, dude.
You're saying that Nancy Pelosi is old? Come on, man. If we're going to talk about the Supreme Court, it is a good point that Trump should replace one or two of these people.
You're saying that Nancy Pelosi is old? Come on, man. If we're going to talk about the Supreme Court, it is a good point that Trump should replace one or two of these people.
I'll take it. It's cool, but it's just radical to think of somebody that young on the Supreme Court.
I'll take it. It's cool, but it's just radical to think of somebody that young on the Supreme Court.
Yeah, but they know that when Trump says something on Truth Social, it goes around the world, right? Everybody knows that. Look, I think that... Around the world in 17 minutes. This is the peacetime president. Trump wants peace. He made it very clear in that Truth Social Post what Hamas needs to do.
Yeah, but they know that when Trump says something on Truth Social, it goes around the world, right? Everybody knows that. Look, I think that... Around the world in 17 minutes. This is the peacetime president. Trump wants peace. He made it very clear in that Truth Social Post what Hamas needs to do.
What I will say is that the extent of America's involvement in this, if it goes to a certain point, it's likely not to be very popular with Trump's hardcore base. So I think that there's a lot of very delicate ways that this needs to be played. I think Trump controls his hardcore base.
What I will say is that the extent of America's involvement in this, if it goes to a certain point, it's likely not to be very popular with Trump's hardcore base. So I think that there's a lot of very delicate ways that this needs to be played. I think Trump controls his hardcore base.
Oh, I don't know. That's why I'm here and not in D.C.
Oh, I don't know. That's why I'm here and not in D.C.
Ich glaube nicht, das ist die Verschwörung, weil ehrlich gesagt, das Pro-Palästina-Stuff und all diese Proteste sind nicht besonders populär zwischen den Mainstream-Leften jetzt. Du hast gesehen, als viele dieser Proteste stattfanden, erinnere dich, sie protestierten in den Mitteln von Broadway-Shows und sie schreien an die Füßen von Menschen und Abendessen.
Ich glaube nicht, das ist die Verschwörung, weil ehrlich gesagt, das Pro-Palästina-Stuff und all diese Proteste sind nicht besonders populär zwischen den Mainstream-Leften jetzt. Du hast gesehen, als viele dieser Proteste stattfanden, erinnere dich, sie protestierten in den Mitteln von Broadway-Shows und sie schreien an die Füßen von Menschen und Abendessen.
I do not know.
I do not know.
Also wer sind wir, die wir hier reden? Reden wir über uns als Amerika, oder reden wir über uns als Israel, um zu finanzieren, um hierher zu gehen? Genau.
Also wer sind wir, die wir hier reden? Reden wir über uns als Amerika, oder reden wir über uns als Israel, um zu finanzieren, um hierher zu gehen? Genau.
What do you need? I feel like when he says he's sending Israel everything it needs, I believe that that's funding. I don't think that he's sending our American soldiers. That's not happening. So when I read that, my first thought is when he's saying I'm sending Israel everything it needs, it means American funding to go wage the war. Let's see.
What do you need? I feel like when he says he's sending Israel everything it needs, I believe that that's funding. I don't think that he's sending our American soldiers. That's not happening. So when I read that, my first thought is when he's saying I'm sending Israel everything it needs, it means American funding to go wage the war. Let's see.
What's a different definition of a mandate, I guess?
What's a different definition of a mandate, I guess?
Rob, do you know how uncomfortable all those women in the panel were by literally sitting next to a black man that's not just going to nod on like a bobblehead and go along with all their Democrat talking points? So look, the Democrats have a black male problem, right? Everybody knows that. And Stephen A. Smith has been very savvy in kind of like coming from the sports commentator world.
Rob, do you know how uncomfortable all those women in the panel were by literally sitting next to a black man that's not just going to nod on like a bobblehead and go along with all their Democrat talking points? So look, the Democrats have a black male problem, right? Everybody knows that. And Stephen A. Smith has been very savvy in kind of like coming from the sports commentator world.
He's extremely successful and then kind of putting himself into the space. where I'm going to say I'm not for Trump, but I'm going to sit here and I'm going to tell you the truth about everything that is going on right now. It's very savvy, because, and this is where I'll throw the black card down on the table, if you are a black man, Democrats have absolutely nothing to offer you.
He's extremely successful and then kind of putting himself into the space. where I'm going to say I'm not for Trump, but I'm going to sit here and I'm going to tell you the truth about everything that is going on right now. It's very savvy, because, and this is where I'll throw the black card down on the table, if you are a black man, Democrats have absolutely nothing to offer you.
The black men that Democrats push forward are either gay, drag queens, the Cory Bookers of the world, the people that are just going to sit there and basically be dominated by loud, masculine black women who are the face of black people in the Democrat Party. So there is a real opportunity there. And Stephen A. Smith, I think, is positioning himself perfectly.
The black men that Democrats push forward are either gay, drag queens, the Cory Bookers of the world, the people that are just going to sit there and basically be dominated by loud, masculine black women who are the face of black people in the Democrat Party. So there is a real opportunity there. And Stephen A. Smith, I think, is positioning himself perfectly.
And he's going to run with this, right? So I think that this going viral speaks to how not often, how rare it is that we actually see a black man literally stand up and say, well, no, I'm not going to sit here with these Democrat talking points. I am going to tell you exactly what it is and be unapologetic about it. If the Democrats, again, it seems like I'm advocating for Democrats. I am not.
And he's going to run with this, right? So I think that this going viral speaks to how not often, how rare it is that we actually see a black man literally stand up and say, well, no, I'm not going to sit here with these Democrat talking points. I am going to tell you exactly what it is and be unapologetic about it. If the Democrats, again, it seems like I'm advocating for Democrats. I am not.
I'm telling you, I despise these people. I'm not a Democrat. I am not a Democrat. Literally. Not a Democrat. Never will be.
I'm telling you, I despise these people. I'm not a Democrat. I am not a Democrat. Literally. Not a Democrat. Never will be.
But if they lean into the Stephen A. Smiths of the world and they lean into this messaging, those black men that they lost to Trump, just your run of the mill, you're working at the barbershop, you're working class, whatever, that is the black man that they lost to Donald Trump, right?
But if they lean into the Stephen A. Smiths of the world and they lean into this messaging, those black men that they lost to Trump, just your run of the mill, you're working at the barbershop, you're working class, whatever, that is the black man that they lost to Donald Trump, right?
And I am not going to say that those black men will never go back to Democrats because it is still deeply unpopular to be a Republican in the black community. So, Stephen A. Smith macht das gerade, und der Fakt, dass das viral geht, sagt mir, dass er weiß, was die Zeit ist. Und die Demokraten werden das vielleicht später, anstatt später, herausfinden. Adam.
And I am not going to say that those black men will never go back to Democrats because it is still deeply unpopular to be a Republican in the black community. So, Stephen A. Smith macht das gerade, und der Fakt, dass das viral geht, sagt mir, dass er weiß, was die Zeit ist. Und die Demokraten werden das vielleicht später, anstatt später, herausfinden. Adam.
Hold on, can I get a sauce appreciation moment right here? Because this is the most versatile man in podcasting. You go from old Jewish woman to sassy black girl to like finance. Ich mache alles. Ich mache alles.
Hold on, can I get a sauce appreciation moment right here? Because this is the most versatile man in podcasting. You go from old Jewish woman to sassy black girl to like finance. Ich mache alles. Ich mache alles.
Yeah, last topic. Yeah. in the coming decade.
Yeah, last topic. Yeah. in the coming decade.
Oh, you think Stephen A. Smith hasn't seen Lean on Me 10 times? Every black man in America has seen Lean on Me. Come on.
Oh, you think Stephen A. Smith hasn't seen Lean on Me 10 times? Every black man in America has seen Lean on Me. Come on.
Rob, go for it. Rob Smith, go for it. What? Oh. You talk about Rob. Alright, so look. Es ist ein politischer Spiel von Team DeSantis hier in Florida. Ich denke, um einfach raus zu gehen und den Staatsanwalt zu sagen, dass wir investigationieren werden, etc. etc. Was das mit dem Faktum hat, dass Casey DeSantis vermutet wird, dass er für den Gouverneur läuft. Also das ist alles Politik.
Rob, go for it. Rob Smith, go for it. What? Oh. You talk about Rob. Alright, so look. Es ist ein politischer Spiel von Team DeSantis hier in Florida. Ich denke, um einfach raus zu gehen und den Staatsanwalt zu sagen, dass wir investigationieren werden, etc. etc. Was das mit dem Faktum hat, dass Casey DeSantis vermutet wird, dass er für den Gouverneur läuft. Also das ist alles Politik.
Und was mir spricht, und das ist der Grund, warum DeSantis in der Primärwahl zerstört wurde, ist der Grund, dass ehrlich gesagt viele Leute, die auf Team DeSantis waren, so tot sind in D.C. und Maga-Welt jetzt, weil sie nicht den Raum lesen. They're all about politics. Now, Florida politics is very insular in the way. And I understand that Byron is running for governor of Florida as well.
Und was mir spricht, und das ist der Grund, warum DeSantis in der Primärwahl zerstört wurde, ist der Grund, dass ehrlich gesagt viele Leute, die auf Team DeSantis waren, so tot sind in D.C. und Maga-Welt jetzt, weil sie nicht den Raum lesen. They're all about politics. Now, Florida politics is very insular in the way. And I understand that Byron is running for governor of Florida as well.
Aber wie gesagt, das kommt alles aus dem DeSantis-Welt. DeSantis war ein guter Gouverneur in Florida. Ich war ein großer Fan von ihm. Ich bin es immer noch, was er in Florida macht. Aber das ist nackte Politik. Und das ist auch Team DeSantis, die versucht, auf die Linke zu gehen, was sie als unbeleuchtend sehen. Oder irgendwelche kulturellen Figuren, die in Maga-Welt sehr mächtig sind.
Aber wie gesagt, das kommt alles aus dem DeSantis-Welt. DeSantis war ein guter Gouverneur in Florida. Ich war ein großer Fan von ihm. Ich bin es immer noch, was er in Florida macht. Aber das ist nackte Politik. Und das ist auch Team DeSantis, die versucht, auf die Linke zu gehen, was sie als unbeleuchtend sehen. Oder irgendwelche kulturellen Figuren, die in Maga-Welt sehr mächtig sind.
Das ist der Grund, warum sie in DC tot sind. This is the reason that Ron DeSantis spent a lot of his political capital running against Trump. I do not think that there's any real particular reason why they wanted to pick this fight other than to try to look good or more moderate or to the left of what they see as hardcore MAGA or even Trump in some way.
Das ist der Grund, warum sie in DC tot sind. This is the reason that Ron DeSantis spent a lot of his political capital running against Trump. I do not think that there's any real particular reason why they wanted to pick this fight other than to try to look good or more moderate or to the left of what they see as hardcore MAGA or even Trump in some way.
Mein größtes Ausdruck, Trump war ein veränderter Mann. All right. And I brought this up to a lot of people that I was talking to and texting with back and forth during the State of the Union, is that this is somebody who was very statesmanlike. All right. And so we've seen states of the Union in the past with Trump. You know, you... Sometimes things are a little bit more combative.
Mein größtes Ausdruck, Trump war ein veränderter Mann. All right. And I brought this up to a lot of people that I was talking to and texting with back and forth during the State of the Union, is that this is somebody who was very statesmanlike. All right. And so we've seen states of the Union in the past with Trump. You know, you... Sometimes things are a little bit more combative.
Maybe not 250 grand. I think going back to this Florida thing and another point that we should make as well, knowing that Casey DeSantis is likely going to run for governor, that this is all about, you know, a female, a woman running for governor being tough on basically one of the biggest, you know, figures of masculinity that exists in the world today. Right.
Maybe not 250 grand. I think going back to this Florida thing and another point that we should make as well, knowing that Casey DeSantis is likely going to run for governor, that this is all about, you know, a female, a woman running for governor being tough on basically one of the biggest, you know, figures of masculinity that exists in the world today. Right.
Sometimes things are a little bit more rougher, like, you know, rougher on the edges, because Trump can be sometimes. But this is very much statesmanlike. And this is somebody that does not care what Democrats think, that does not care what anybody thinks about him nowadays. And that's what I think the power of Trump 2.0 is.
Sometimes things are a little bit more rougher, like, you know, rougher on the edges, because Trump can be sometimes. But this is very much statesmanlike. And this is somebody that does not care what Democrats think, that does not care what anybody thinks about him nowadays. And that's what I think the power of Trump 2.0 is.
So visually, that's what that's about as well.
So visually, that's what that's about as well.
So I saw a lot of that, even when there were the disruptions from the Democrats, which we will get into. I'm sure that we all have a lot to say about that. I think that I have some ideas about that that may be a little different from other people on the panel. But he looked at them like you would literally look at a misbehaving grandchild.
So I saw a lot of that, even when there were the disruptions from the Democrats, which we will get into. I'm sure that we all have a lot to say about that. I think that I have some ideas about that that may be a little different from other people on the panel. But he looked at them like you would literally look at a misbehaving grandchild.
I hate this so much. I will tell you exactly why I hate this number one. There is absolutely nothing beneficial that pardoning Chauvin would do for the Trump administration, for this country, for race relations, for anybody else. It is absolutely destructive. It makes no sense. And so for me, when I first saw this. Normalerweise kommen die Gespräche von der Grundlage her.
I hate this so much. I will tell you exactly why I hate this number one. There is absolutely nothing beneficial that pardoning Chauvin would do for the Trump administration, for this country, for race relations, for anybody else. It is absolutely destructive. It makes no sense. And so for me, when I first saw this. Normalerweise kommen die Gespräche von der Grundlage her.
Normalerweise gibt es eine Art Geräusch und dann kommt es zu einer nationalen Konversation. Das scheint eine sehr top-down-Konversation zu sein, die von jemandem mit enormer Influenz kommt. Das ist nichts, was jemand darüber gesprochen hat oder darüber nachgedacht hat. Es stellt mich also die Frage, warum diese Konversation gerade stattfindet.
Normalerweise gibt es eine Art Geräusch und dann kommt es zu einer nationalen Konversation. Das scheint eine sehr top-down-Konversation zu sein, die von jemandem mit enormer Influenz kommt. Das ist nichts, was jemand darüber gesprochen hat oder darüber nachgedacht hat. Es stellt mich also die Frage, warum diese Konversation gerade stattfindet.
Es stellt die Frage nach, warum Ben Shapiro diese Konversation jetzt anfangen wollte. Wer hat diesen Vorteil? Trump hat keinen Vorteil. Amerika hat keinen Vorteil. Rassismus hat keinen Vorteil. Und der letzte Punkt, den ich annehmen werde, ist das. Es gibt sehr wenige Leute, die wirklich in Detail sprechen können, was in diesem Trial passiert ist, wie George Floyd tatsächlich gestorben ist, etc.
Es stellt die Frage nach, warum Ben Shapiro diese Konversation jetzt anfangen wollte. Wer hat diesen Vorteil? Trump hat keinen Vorteil. Amerika hat keinen Vorteil. Rassismus hat keinen Vorteil. Und der letzte Punkt, den ich annehmen werde, ist das. Es gibt sehr wenige Leute, die wirklich in Detail sprechen können, was in diesem Trial passiert ist, wie George Floyd tatsächlich gestorben ist, etc.
etc. Es gibt wahrscheinlich fünf Leute, die den ganzen Tag auf einem Podcast setzten, jeden Tag, wie Ben Shapiro, wie vielleicht zwei oder drei andere Leute, die wirklich in Detail darüber sprechen können. So then they're positioning themselves to say, no, listen to me. I'm the one who really knows about this. So what? Trump's agenda is supposed to be derailed.
etc. Es gibt wahrscheinlich fünf Leute, die den ganzen Tag auf einem Podcast setzten, jeden Tag, wie Ben Shapiro, wie vielleicht zwei oder drei andere Leute, die wirklich in Detail darüber sprechen können. So then they're positioning themselves to say, no, listen to me. I'm the one who really knows about this. So what? Trump's agenda is supposed to be derailed.
Where we're at as a country right now is supposed to be derailed because these leftists and these Democrats are looking for a reason to have another race war. That is what they love. So why this conversation is happening right now, I have no idea.
Where we're at as a country right now is supposed to be derailed because these leftists and these Democrats are looking for a reason to have another race war. That is what they love. So why this conversation is happening right now, I have no idea.
No, I am not.
No, I am not.
Because the theme of Trump 2.0 right now is that the adults are back in charge. The adults are back in the room. Daddy's home. And I am going to tell you every single thing that we are accomplishing for the United States of America right now. So that's what it said to me. They are no longer trying to play games with Democrats.
Because the theme of Trump 2.0 right now is that the adults are back in charge. The adults are back in the room. Daddy's home. And I am going to tell you every single thing that we are accomplishing for the United States of America right now. So that's what it said to me. They are no longer trying to play games with Democrats.
He is no longer sort of, you know, trying to placate, you know, to what CNN or the New York Times etc. wants, because I think that one of the issues with Trump 1.0 is that he was almost a little too magnanimous and trying to work and operate with the left. And they took advantage of that. Now you have somebody that does not care. We are doing things that Republicans want done.
He is no longer sort of, you know, trying to placate, you know, to what CNN or the New York Times etc. wants, because I think that one of the issues with Trump 1.0 is that he was almost a little too magnanimous and trying to work and operate with the left. And they took advantage of that. Now you have somebody that does not care. We are doing things that Republicans want done.
So, we're missing why Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh were there. Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh, The Daily Wire, were instrumental in bringing the no boys and girls sports. They were instrumental in mainstreaming that conversation in a way that I had never had before. And even Matt Walsh was instrumental, even locally in Tennessee, ending some of that stuff, right?
So, we're missing why Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh were there. Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh, The Daily Wire, were instrumental in bringing the no boys and girls sports. They were instrumental in mainstreaming that conversation in a way that I had never had before. And even Matt Walsh was instrumental, even locally in Tennessee, ending some of that stuff, right?
So that's why the two of them were there, because they were sitting right next to Riley Gaines, obviously an icon in that movement. So that's why they were there, I think. I don't think that it had anything to do with the fact that Trump loves them or anything like that. I think it was very specific to that, and he brought that up in the Union Address.
So that's why the two of them were there, because they were sitting right next to Riley Gaines, obviously an icon in that movement. So that's why they were there, I think. I don't think that it had anything to do with the fact that Trump loves them or anything like that. I think it was very specific to that, and he brought that up in the Union Address.
I think and I tweeted this yesterday. You can follow me on X at Rob Smith online that. The changes that Trump 2.0 and the team are making right now are generational changes for this country and for the Republican Party. So I made that statement. I stand by it. That's what's different to me.
I think and I tweeted this yesterday. You can follow me on X at Rob Smith online that. The changes that Trump 2.0 and the team are making right now are generational changes for this country and for the Republican Party. So I made that statement. I stand by it. That's what's different to me.
No, DeSantis is not irrelevant. He's the governor of Florida. You think that Florida, that's false.
No, DeSantis is not irrelevant. He's the governor of Florida. You think that Florida, that's false.
It's a second term. So this is what I think. There's two different types of Republicans and conservatives right now, right? And so we're definitely like MAGA, MAGA, MAGA, and I get that. But there is a group of conservatives, Republicans that is more in line. And so when we talk about the DeSantis vs. Trump thing, it's not necessarily about DeSantis vs. Trump, because that's a tired conversation.
It's a second term. So this is what I think. There's two different types of Republicans and conservatives right now, right? And so we're definitely like MAGA, MAGA, MAGA, and I get that. But there is a group of conservatives, Republicans that is more in line. And so when we talk about the DeSantis vs. Trump thing, it's not necessarily about DeSantis vs. Trump, because that's a tired conversation.
I don't think anybody's having that conversation. But it's about the type of people that are really drawn to Trump and the type of people that are really drawn to DeSantis. And there are some people, some Republicans in D.C. right now, that do not like these things that Trump are doing. Okay, these are establishment conservatives and Republicans that have been around for a very long time.
I don't think anybody's having that conversation. But it's about the type of people that are really drawn to Trump and the type of people that are really drawn to DeSantis. And there are some people, some Republicans in D.C. right now, that do not like these things that Trump are doing. Okay, these are establishment conservatives and Republicans that have been around for a very long time.
I think that people really don't understand how brainwashed people in these places are. Thank you. You do not understand. I lived in New York for over a decade, probably for about 15 years. These people are so locked into their ideological agenda that they will not move away from it. And by the way, Karen Bass is a black woman. And that is God to Democrats.
I think that people really don't understand how brainwashed people in these places are. Thank you. You do not understand. I lived in New York for over a decade, probably for about 15 years. These people are so locked into their ideological agenda that they will not move away from it. And by the way, Karen Bass is a black woman. And that is God to Democrats.
And anybody that is criticizing a black woman or will literally say, this is what you should have done, that was not done. Automatisch werden sie als rassistisch oder sie hassen. Und Nummer eins, denkt nicht, dass sie nicht diese Karte spielen werden, weil das ist die erste Karte, die sie nehmen werden, wenn Menschen tatsächlich anfangen, sie zu kritisieren.
And anybody that is criticizing a black woman or will literally say, this is what you should have done, that was not done. Automatisch werden sie als rassistisch oder sie hassen. Und Nummer eins, denkt nicht, dass sie nicht diese Karte spielen werden, weil das ist die erste Karte, die sie nehmen werden, wenn Menschen tatsächlich anfangen, sie zu kritisieren.
Sie haben bereits, es gab ein paar dieser Hollywood-Aktressen, Black-Women. Sie waren in etwas oder anderem. Und ich erinnere mich, als ich sie gesehen habe, sie machen viel Social Media-Stuff, wie jeder so rassistisch und so gemein ist zu Karen Bass. Ich dachte, oh, also werden sie bezahlt. Und es wird viel mehr Geld verbreitet, um viele dieser schwarzen Unternehmensfiguren in L.A.
Sie haben bereits, es gab ein paar dieser Hollywood-Aktressen, Black-Women. Sie waren in etwas oder anderem. Und ich erinnere mich, als ich sie gesehen habe, sie machen viel Social Media-Stuff, wie jeder so rassistisch und so gemein ist zu Karen Bass. Ich dachte, oh, also werden sie bezahlt. Und es wird viel mehr Geld verbreitet, um viele dieser schwarzen Unternehmensfiguren in L.A.
zu stehen, um, Quote, Quote, Karen Bass, richtig, Adam? Ich denke, das Brot ist fertig.
zu stehen, um, Quote, Quote, Karen Bass, richtig, Adam? Ich denke, das Brot ist fertig.
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Yes.
Yes.
They released a statement. There's no video to the backtracking.
They released a statement. There's no video to the backtracking.
Yes, it's Tom Holman saying they're going to possibly prosecute Phil Murphy.
Yes, it's Tom Holman saying they're going to possibly prosecute Phil Murphy.
The only clip that I could find was her. This is a dated clip, but this is her talking about ICE arrests in the state of Florida.
The only clip that I could find was her. This is a dated clip, but this is her talking about ICE arrests in the state of Florida.
That's all that they had posted.
That's all that they had posted.
No idea. Rob, is this the clip? So there's two clips. I don't have the isolated. This is the isolated version of BB's reaction. But do you want Trump making the announcement and then we play BB's?
No idea. Rob, is this the clip? So there's two clips. I don't have the isolated. This is the isolated version of BB's reaction. But do you want Trump making the announcement and then we play BB's?
Yeah, so this teacher, Ellen Greenberg, was found dead in her Philadelphia apartment back in 2011. And her family has been fighting the state of Pennsylvania to have the case reopened. They originally, the medical examiner in the case, ruled that the death of Ellen Greenberg was a murder. However, he then met with the police and the district attorney.
Yeah, so this teacher, Ellen Greenberg, was found dead in her Philadelphia apartment back in 2011. And her family has been fighting the state of Pennsylvania to have the case reopened. They originally, the medical examiner in the case, ruled that the death of Ellen Greenberg was a murder. However, he then met with the police and the district attorney.
who at the time overseeing that case was Josh Shapiro, and that ruling was overturned, and she was listed as the cause of her death as suicide. But we have some images, and I'll pull those up real quick.
who at the time overseeing that case was Josh Shapiro, and that ruling was overturned, and she was listed as the cause of her death as suicide. But we have some images, and I'll pull those up real quick.
Go ahead, Rob. So the fiance of this woman, Ellen Greenberg, his name is Sam Goldberg. He is the one that discovered her body. According to Sam Goldberg, he went to the apartment, was with Ellen the night that she was murdered, went downstairs to their apartment complex's gym, worked out for 45 minutes. When he came back upstairs, he found Ellen Greenberg and called 911.
Go ahead, Rob. So the fiance of this woman, Ellen Greenberg, his name is Sam Goldberg. He is the one that discovered her body. According to Sam Goldberg, he went to the apartment, was with Ellen the night that she was murdered, went downstairs to their apartment complex's gym, worked out for 45 minutes. When he came back upstairs, he found Ellen Greenberg and called 911.
However, according to an investigative reporter named Gavin Fish, before Sam Goldberg called 911, he made two phone calls. Those two phone calls were to two prominent Philadelphia attorneys, one James Schwartzman, and then his son, Kamen Schwartzman, who happened to be Sam Goldberg's cousins. This is where it gets weird. The family of Schwartzman.
However, according to an investigative reporter named Gavin Fish, before Sam Goldberg called 911, he made two phone calls. Those two phone calls were to two prominent Philadelphia attorneys, one James Schwartzman, and then his son, Kamen Schwartzman, who happened to be Sam Goldberg's cousins. This is where it gets weird. The family of Schwartzman.
the same family that Sam Goldberg called, they have direct ties to Josh Shapiro. Dating back to high school, James Schwartzman's daughter, who is Cayman Schwartzman's sister, Kimberly, I forget, Kimmel Schwartzman, she went to high school with Josh Shapiro. Her daughter goes to the same high school or Hebrew Academy that Josh Shapiro's daughter goes to now.
the same family that Sam Goldberg called, they have direct ties to Josh Shapiro. Dating back to high school, James Schwartzman's daughter, who is Cayman Schwartzman's sister, Kimberly, I forget, Kimmel Schwartzman, she went to high school with Josh Shapiro. Her daughter goes to the same high school or Hebrew Academy that Josh Shapiro's daughter goes to now.
Josh Shapiro was the district attorney overseeing the case at the time. And there are financial ties to Josh Shapiro's district attorney campaign from both Sam Goldberg, the fiance's family, his father, as well as the Schwartzman's, the family that is connected to Sam Goldberg. So what it looks like to people who are
Josh Shapiro was the district attorney overseeing the case at the time. And there are financial ties to Josh Shapiro's district attorney campaign from both Sam Goldberg, the fiance's family, his father, as well as the Schwartzman's, the family that is connected to Sam Goldberg. So what it looks like to people who are
looking into this case is that there were calls made behind the scenes before 911 was alerted. If you believe the investigative reports into this, that there were calls made to 911 before that to family members who may or may not have contacted Josh Shapiro, but definitely have ties to Josh Shapiro. And there's, I mean, here's the financial records from open secret.
looking into this case is that there were calls made behind the scenes before 911 was alerted. If you believe the investigative reports into this, that there were calls made to 911 before that to family members who may or may not have contacted Josh Shapiro, but definitely have ties to Josh Shapiro. And there's, I mean, here's the financial records from open secret.
So you can see, but these are, and they're small, small contributions, $250 from the father of Sam Goldberg too. And then there's another financial contribution as well.
So you can see, but these are, and they're small, small contributions, $250 from the father of Sam Goldberg too. And then there's another financial contribution as well.
No, they just overturned the ruling and reopened the investigation into the death. What's super interesting is that all of this came out on August 8th of last year. But if you remember, this video was released and we'll play it real quick. We don't have to play the whole thing.
No, they just overturned the ruling and reopened the investigation into the death. What's super interesting is that all of this came out on August 8th of last year. But if you remember, this video was released and we'll play it real quick. We don't have to play the whole thing.
But do you remember when the mayor of Philadelphia accidentally tweeted a campaign video announcing support for Josh Shapiro as vice presidential candidate with Kamala Harris? We played it. This video comes out on the 5th, and then the news breaks on the 8th that this investigation may be reopened, and all of a sudden the Josh Shapiro for VP candidate rumors disappear.
But do you remember when the mayor of Philadelphia accidentally tweeted a campaign video announcing support for Josh Shapiro as vice presidential candidate with Kamala Harris? We played it. This video comes out on the 5th, and then the news breaks on the 8th that this investigation may be reopened, and all of a sudden the Josh Shapiro for VP candidate rumors disappear.
So this is actually the audio from KCBS where they issued a warning about the ICE raids. Okay, go for it.
So this is actually the audio from KCBS where they issued a warning about the ICE raids. Okay, go for it.
Is this where he talks about playing in front of President Trump or –
Is this where he talks about playing in front of President Trump or –
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This clip right here is them discussing the evidence that was found in the back of the Cybertruck and why more people weren't injured when the Cybertruck exploded.
This clip right here is them discussing the evidence that was found in the back of the Cybertruck and why more people weren't injured when the Cybertruck exploded.
This is where they credit Elon Musk. Elon Musk helped investigators determine who the driver was by tracing down the route that he went through the different Tesla supercharging stations. He also helped them get inside of the vehicle because the vehicle locked once it exploded.
This is where they credit Elon Musk. Elon Musk helped investigators determine who the driver was by tracing down the route that he went through the different Tesla supercharging stations. He also helped them get inside of the vehicle because the vehicle locked once it exploded.
It's all in a computer. There's a monitor inside, a camera inside. So the way that the autopilot works for the Tesla... You have to have a monitor inside that's recording you at all times, and it actually monitors your eyes to make sure that your eyes are on the road.
It's all in a computer. There's a monitor inside, a camera inside. So the way that the autopilot works for the Tesla... You have to have a monitor inside that's recording you at all times, and it actually monitors your eyes to make sure that your eyes are on the road.
If you divert your eyes from the road, say you look down at your phone, the system inside the car will notify you so that you then have to manually steer the vehicle. So there's always a camera running inside of the Tesla vehicle at all times.
If you divert your eyes from the road, say you look down at your phone, the system inside the car will notify you so that you then have to manually steer the vehicle. So there's always a camera running inside of the Tesla vehicle at all times.
I don't like it, but unfortunately, I've traded the ease of convenience for privacy. I'd rather be able to drive automatically, and I just know that everything that I'm saying inside of that car is being recorded. It could be accessed at any point.
I don't like it, but unfortunately, I've traded the ease of convenience for privacy. I'd rather be able to drive automatically, and I just know that everything that I'm saying inside of that car is being recorded. It could be accessed at any point.
Yeah, one looked like the daytime. 8.39 a.m., but that's the West Coast time, so it would have been 11.30 our time.
Yeah, one looked like the daytime. 8.39 a.m., but that's the West Coast time, so it would have been 11.30 our time.
They're a five-year difference because Matthew's 37 and the guy from New Orleans is 42.
They're a five-year difference because Matthew's 37 and the guy from New Orleans is 42.
Here's my thing, Adam. They raided his home. I have a news clip if you want to hear that.
Here's my thing, Adam. They raided his home. I have a news clip if you want to hear that.
Yeah, he lives in this is so he originally lives in Colorado Springs. The vehicle was rented out of Colorado on Toro. And here is the news outside of his home.
Yeah, he lives in this is so he originally lives in Colorado Springs. The vehicle was rented out of Colorado on Toro. And here is the news outside of his home.
I think that besides the four brag connection, the other big connection here is the Toro app. It's not an app that's used in every state, not every state, not every city has access to the Toro app. It's still rolling out and in development. I don't know if you guys have ever used a Toro app. It's basically like using enterprise rental car through an app.
I think that besides the four brag connection, the other big connection here is the Toro app. It's not an app that's used in every state, not every state, not every city has access to the Toro app. It's still rolling out and in development. I don't know if you guys have ever used a Toro app. It's basically like using enterprise rental car through an app.
But you're renting people's personal vehicles. Not like an actual company's vehicle. If I want to borrow Vinny's Toyota Celica or whatever.
But you're renting people's personal vehicles. Not like an actual company's vehicle. If I want to borrow Vinny's Toyota Celica or whatever.
Have a little respect. I would use the Turo app to rent it.
Have a little respect. I would use the Turo app to rent it.
Here's the news reporting on the raid of the guy's home. And yeah, she's cute.
Here's the news reporting on the raid of the guy's home. And yeah, she's cute.
Yes, her name is Special Agent Duncan.
Yes, her name is Special Agent Duncan.
Go ahead, Rob. It says she was born in 1959.
Go ahead, Rob. It says she was born in 1959.
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$13,000.
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$5,000.
I'm looking for California.
I'm looking for California.
Yeah, it's up to 16, I believe.
Yeah, it's up to 16, I believe.
2%, 3%?
2%, 3%?
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$8,000.
It says 2016, April 28th.
It says 2016, April 28th.
This is the one where he tells him to sit down and watch.
This is the one where he tells him to sit down and watch.
No, I don't have that clip. I have a separate clip.
No, I don't have that clip. I have a separate clip.
So this is the clip of the truck. I have it before it goes into the crowd if you want to show it.
So this is the clip of the truck. I have it before it goes into the crowd if you want to show it.
And then I also have other B-roll of the truck as well.
And then I also have other B-roll of the truck as well.
$2,800.
$2,800.
$800. $800.
$800. $800.
It is. You'd have to read this. Subtitles are in English, but his actual... Okay, go ahead.
It is. You'd have to read this. Subtitles are in English, but his actual... Okay, go ahead.
People, everybody gets out of the way in this video, but, yeah, you just want to see how quick.
People, everybody gets out of the way in this video, but, yeah, you just want to see how quick.
And we're not going to play the video because I don't want to put that out there, but we will play the audio so you can hear. As soon as he gets out of the vehicle, then you can hear the gunshots ringing out and people fleeing.
And we're not going to play the video because I don't want to put that out there, but we will play the audio so you can hear. As soon as he gets out of the vehicle, then you can hear the gunshots ringing out and people fleeing.
The only video that they have released is the video of him talking about being a realtor.
The only video that they have released is the video of him talking about being a realtor.
No, we'll be back live Tuesday morning.
No, we'll be back live Tuesday morning.
I think that's his passport picture. It doesn't say here in this photo. I'm pretty sure it's his passport.
I think that's his passport picture. It doesn't say here in this photo. I'm pretty sure it's his passport.
Yeah. Sports was a big piece. But for me, it was books. I decided to take a speed reading course when I was 15 years old. And I was going to read a book a day. And I didn't do that. But I read 700 books in seven years. All in the year of human development, psychology, physiology. Pre-18. Pre-18, well, over seven years, so starting at that time.
Yeah. Sports was a big piece. But for me, it was books. I decided to take a speed reading course when I was 15 years old. And I was going to read a book a day. And I didn't do that. But I read 700 books in seven years. All in the year of human development, psychology, physiology. Pre-18. Pre-18, well, over seven years, so starting at that time.
I'm not here to say I'm the right thing for everybody. I'm not some celebrity telling you what to do. I'm here for you to do what's right.
I'm not here to say I'm the right thing for everybody. I'm not some celebrity telling you what to do. I'm here for you to do what's right.
And what it was was I just got obsessed with wanting no answers, because early on, for example, I was really small in high school, in junior high school. I was 5'1", my sophomore year in high school. I'm 6'7", now. I tell people the difference is personal growth.
And what it was was I just got obsessed with wanting no answers, because early on, for example, I was really small in high school, in junior high school. I was 5'1", my sophomore year in high school. I'm 6'7", now. I tell people the difference is personal growth.
Yeah, but I had a tumor and didn't know it. A pituitary tumor. It made me explode in size. And when people talk about growth pains, I mean, your muscles are stretching. It's brutal. But the point is, as I went through that process, I found myself in a place where books where I could... I could go to another world. I could read Emerson's essays and I could feel that sense of autonomy and freedom.
Yeah, but I had a tumor and didn't know it. A pituitary tumor. It made me explode in size. And when people talk about growth pains, I mean, your muscles are stretching. It's brutal. But the point is, as I went through that process, I found myself in a place where books where I could... I could go to another world. I could read Emerson's essays and I could feel that sense of autonomy and freedom.
I could read Man's Search for Meaning and say, no matter what you went through, you know, this guy went through, you know, Auschwitz and survived and turned things around. How did, how can I make my life work? And so, especially biographies, because when you read a biography, not an autobiography, but a biography written by the actual author, you're thinking their thoughts.
I could read Man's Search for Meaning and say, no matter what you went through, you know, this guy went through, you know, Auschwitz and survived and turned things around. How did, how can I make my life work? And so, especially biographies, because when you read a biography, not an autobiography, but a biography written by the actual author, you're thinking their thoughts.
And whatever thoughts you think over and over again develop habits and emotions and meaning in your life, right? So that became my way between that and sports is how I really managed it. But I also, early on, when I was 17, I went and heard this man named Jim Rohn, a personal development speaker, I think you've probably heard of him. And it was really amazing.
And whatever thoughts you think over and over again develop habits and emotions and meaning in your life, right? So that became my way between that and sports is how I really managed it. But I also, early on, when I was 17, I went and heard this man named Jim Rohn, a personal development speaker, I think you've probably heard of him. And it was really amazing.
He used to do this three and a half hour seminar on how to, you know, he turned his life around, became successful in various ways. And I was working for this gentleman. I was in high school and I was, you know, it's got my little growth spurt. And so the guy's like, he was successful flipping houses and, And my family said, he used to be such a loser. My father said, now he's so successful.
He used to do this three and a half hour seminar on how to, you know, he turned his life around, became successful in various ways. And I was working for this gentleman. I was in high school and I was, you know, it's got my little growth spurt. And so the guy's like, he was successful flipping houses and, And my family said, he used to be such a loser. My father said, now he's so successful.
And so one day he called and said, listen, your son looked to make some extra money. And I was always doing that. We were poor. I had to help support the family. So I had two jobs working as a janitor. I was like, yeah, I'll work on the weekend there. Let's do it. So I'm moving all the stuff. But I had a goal. I really want to know how he became so successful.
And so one day he called and said, listen, your son looked to make some extra money. And I was always doing that. We were poor. I had to help support the family. So I had two jobs working as a janitor. I was like, yeah, I'll work on the weekend there. Let's do it. So I'm moving all the stuff. But I had a goal. I really want to know how he became so successful.
Because my idea of success then is when you're poor is like you've done well in achievement. You've done well in economics, finance. And so one day he took me to lunch. He goes, you're such a hard worker. I'm taking you to lunch. And so he asked me a bunch of questions. I said, I want to ask you some questions. He said, what do you want to know?
Because my idea of success then is when you're poor is like you've done well in achievement. You've done well in economics, finance. And so one day he took me to lunch. He goes, you're such a hard worker. I'm taking you to lunch. And so he asked me a bunch of questions. I said, I want to ask you some questions. He said, what do you want to know?
I said, well, my father said you used to be such a loser and now you're so successful. I wasn't trying to be negative. As a kid, you don't think, right? And he started laughing. He goes, your father said, well, it's true. I said, well, what changed you? He said, I went to a seminar. I said, what's a seminar?
I said, well, my father said you used to be such a loser and now you're so successful. I wasn't trying to be negative. As a kid, you don't think, right? And he started laughing. He goes, your father said, well, it's true. I said, well, what changed you? He said, I went to a seminar. I said, what's a seminar?
He said, this man comes and he takes 20, 30 years of his life and he crunches that down to like three and a half hours and shows you the shortcuts to make your life as successful as it could be. I said, well, I'd like to go to that. He said, I think you should. I said, well, how much is it? And he said, $35, like $250. This is still Jim Rowland. This is Jim Rowland.
He said, this man comes and he takes 20, 30 years of his life and he crunches that down to like three and a half hours and shows you the shortcuts to make your life as successful as it could be. I said, well, I'd like to go to that. He said, I think you should. I said, well, how much is it? And he said, $35, like $250. This is still Jim Rowland. This is Jim Rowland.
But this is the guy that had gone and attended, right? And he goes, it'll be like $250 in Teddy's dollars. But for me, I'm making $40 a week as a janitor. So it's a week's worth of pay. And I said, well, can you get me in? He said, sure. I said, well, will you? And he said, no. I said, why not? He goes, you won't value it if you don't pay for it. And I go, look, man, I'm making 40 bucks a week.
But this is the guy that had gone and attended, right? And he goes, it'll be like $250 in Teddy's dollars. But for me, I'm making $40 a week as a janitor. So it's a week's worth of pay. And I said, well, can you get me in? He said, sure. I said, well, will you? And he said, no. I said, why not? He goes, you won't value it if you don't pay for it. And I go, look, man, I'm making 40 bucks a week.
That's a week's pay. He goes, okay, well, figure it out on your own. Take 10 or 20 years and figure it on your own if you want to do that or learn faster through this and make the investment in yourself. So it was like, to me, the biggest decision of my life at that point, it felt like, because it's like a week's pay.
That's a week's pay. He goes, okay, well, figure it out on your own. Take 10 or 20 years and figure it on your own if you want to do that or learn faster through this and make the investment in yourself. So it was like, to me, the biggest decision of my life at that point, it felt like, because it's like a week's pay.
If you're real and raw and you truly serve, popularity doesn't matter. You'll get through to people.
If you're real and raw and you truly serve, popularity doesn't matter. You'll get through to people.
I mean, and I went to that seminar and I took notes like a crazy person and I was finishing some of the general statements because I read all these books. So it's like, I recognize them. I was like this wild person in the middle of the event. And afterwards, I went up and I thought, I'm gonna change the world. You know, I'm 17 years old. I'm gonna run for president. First, I'll run for Senate.
I mean, and I went to that seminar and I took notes like a crazy person and I was finishing some of the general statements because I read all these books. So it's like, I recognize them. I was like this wild person in the middle of the event. And afterwards, I went up and I thought, I'm gonna change the world. You know, I'm 17 years old. I'm gonna run for president. First, I'll run for Senate.
Before that, I'll do Congress. Before that, I'll do local state assembly. Yeah, I thought that how they'd serve most. And then I'll start by my high school. I'll run for my student body president in my high school. And I was not the most popular kid in school at all. And I did it in a real campaign.
Before that, I'll do Congress. Before that, I'll do local state assembly. Yeah, I thought that how they'd serve most. And then I'll start by my high school. I'll run for my student body president in my high school. And I was not the most popular kid in school at all. And I did it in a real campaign.
I went and talked to all the groups and found out what they wanted and told them the truth, what could be done, what I thought couldn't be done, and I won. I beat the most popular kid in school. And so that taught me that if you're real and raw and you truly serve, popularity doesn't matter. You'll get through to people. And it was a marker in my life to make those things happen.
I went and talked to all the groups and found out what they wanted and told them the truth, what could be done, what I thought couldn't be done, and I won. I beat the most popular kid in school. And so that taught me that if you're real and raw and you truly serve, popularity doesn't matter. You'll get through to people. And it was a marker in my life to make those things happen.
But all of these situations stacked. And then I was so involved in personal development, I really wanted to learn how to do more. And I finally got a chance to go to work for Jim Rohn at 17 years old. And my mom kicked out my father. He went back east. And on Christmas Eve, she kicked me out and chased me out with a knife.
But all of these situations stacked. And then I was so involved in personal development, I really wanted to learn how to do more. And I finally got a chance to go to work for Jim Rohn at 17 years old. And my mom kicked out my father. He went back east. And on Christmas Eve, she kicked me out and chased me out with a knife.
I knew she wasn't going to kill me or stab me, but I wasn't going back in the house. She kept my 1968 Volkswagen. I'd worked $40 a week to earn. And I slept on the hill one night. It was raining. And then the next day, I was like, I can't stay in the rain. I went to this girlfriend's house, a girl that was a friend, not a girlfriend.
I knew she wasn't going to kill me or stab me, but I wasn't going back in the house. She kept my 1968 Volkswagen. I'd worked $40 a week to earn. And I slept on the hill one night. It was raining. And then the next day, I was like, I can't stay in the rain. I went to this girlfriend's house, a girl that was a friend, not a girlfriend.
And they let me stay in their little, what do you call it, washing machine room. And then I took the little swoony I had, and I took these buses, and I bought a book. I went to Claremont, California. It was about 15 miles away. And I bought this book at this bookstore called The Magic of Believing by Claude Imbristel. And it talked about how to program your mind.
And they let me stay in their little, what do you call it, washing machine room. And then I took the little swoony I had, and I took these buses, and I bought a book. I went to Claremont, California. It was about 15 miles away. And I bought this book at this bookstore called The Magic of Believing by Claude Imbristel. And it talked about how to program your mind.
And I was writing on the mirror in the laundry room all of my goals. And I made these posters that only an idiot gets depressed, only a loser gets depressed. It's not true, but that was my way of leveraging myself, right? Sure. And I started to make these changes. And then I tried to go to work for Jim Rohn and it was Christmas, so I had to keep working as a janitor.
And I was writing on the mirror in the laundry room all of my goals. And I made these posters that only an idiot gets depressed, only a loser gets depressed. It's not true, but that was my way of leveraging myself, right? Sure. And I started to make these changes. And then I tried to go to work for Jim Rohn and it was Christmas, so I had to keep working as a janitor.
And what changed my life was finding that part that's inside of all of us that will not give up. And I was going, taking buses now, because I had no car, to go to San Marino, California. It was about, you know, about an 18-mile place. But the number of buses you had to take took about, you know, almost two hours, 90 minutes to two hours. I go clean the banks because I could do two banks.
And what changed my life was finding that part that's inside of all of us that will not give up. And I was going, taking buses now, because I had no car, to go to San Marino, California. It was about, you know, about an 18-mile place. But the number of buses you had to take took about, you know, almost two hours, 90 minutes to two hours. I go clean the banks because I could do two banks.
I wasn't paid by the hour. It was by performance. And I could do an amazing job. And I'd have notes for people as if, you know, I was there. I was so connected. 2 a.m., I was on that bus to get home. And 3.30 a.m. or 4, I was going to bed and getting up four hours later to go to school and be student body president.
I wasn't paid by the hour. It was by performance. And I could do an amazing job. And I'd have notes for people as if, you know, I was there. I was so connected. 2 a.m., I was on that bus to get home. And 3.30 a.m. or 4, I was going to bed and getting up four hours later to go to school and be student body president.
And I was burning out, but one night, I got to the bus stop on time, made it there at 2 a.m., no bus, 2.15, no bus, 2.30, no bus, 2.45, no bus. I have no one to call. I'm 17 miles from home at least, right? Like, what am I going to do? And then all of a sudden a car pulls up, rolls down the window and goes, hey, bud, didn't you see there's a bus strike? There's no buses coming.
And I was burning out, but one night, I got to the bus stop on time, made it there at 2 a.m., no bus, 2.15, no bus, 2.30, no bus, 2.45, no bus. I have no one to call. I'm 17 miles from home at least, right? Like, what am I going to do? And then all of a sudden a car pulls up, rolls down the window and goes, hey, bud, didn't you see there's a bus strike? There's no buses coming.
Oh, you got to be kidding me. No. And so I was like... what am I going to do? And what am I going to do? And I was like, I'm going to run home. I am going to run the entire way. And my first starting out was this rage. It was like, I'll show her, my mom for kicking me out. We're, we're super close.
Oh, you got to be kidding me. No. And so I was like... what am I going to do? And what am I going to do? And I was like, I'm going to run home. I am going to run the entire way. And my first starting out was this rage. It was like, I'll show her, my mom for kicking me out. We're, we're super close.
No, she's passed away, but we weren't at that time, as you might guess, but anger only gets you so far. It's the fuel that burns out very quickly. So I started thinking about those books and programming your mind. I started doing these, not just affirmations where you go, I'm happy. I'm happy. But were you shout it, you engage your body. And I was running every day in every way.
No, she's passed away, but we weren't at that time, as you might guess, but anger only gets you so far. It's the fuel that burns out very quickly. So I started thinking about those books and programming your mind. I started doing these, not just affirmations where you go, I'm happy. I'm happy. But were you shout it, you engage your body. And I was running every day in every way.
I'm getting stronger and stronger. And I do that. And then change the word every day and every day, stronger and stronger. And then I do that for 20 minutes and then I do healthier and then I do happier. And I ran 16 of the 17 miles. Last mile I walked and it changed my life forever.
I'm getting stronger and stronger. And I do that. And then change the word every day and every day, stronger and stronger. And then I do that for 20 minutes and then I do healthier and then I do happier. And I ran 16 of the 17 miles. Last mile I walked and it changed my life forever.
Good times create weak people. They're not bad people. They just have never been challenged. It's like a muscle. You're a bodybuilder. I built my body. You don't get it by taking something light. You do something unbelievably difficult, and you're going to do 10 curls, and you can barely do 10 curls. You know that 12 is where all the growth is, right?
Good times create weak people. They're not bad people. They just have never been challenged. It's like a muscle. You're a bodybuilder. I built my body. You don't get it by taking something light. You do something unbelievably difficult, and you're going to do 10 curls, and you can barely do 10 curls. You know that 12 is where all the growth is, right?
So I had these experiences that challenged me so strongly, and I met the challenge, and it changed my sense of identity about who I was and what I was capable of. And then I couldn't help but spread that. I lost 30 pounds, and helped my friends lose 30 pounds, and they started getting girls.
So I had these experiences that challenged me so strongly, and I met the challenge, and it changed my sense of identity about who I was and what I was capable of. And then I couldn't help but spread that. I lost 30 pounds, and helped my friends lose 30 pounds, and they started getting girls.
And then I got addicted to knowing the answers, like being able to give people the answer to anything, their body, their emotions, their relationships. And so that obsession still continues to this day, and I've been doing this 48 years.
And then I got addicted to knowing the answers, like being able to give people the answer to anything, their body, their emotions, their relationships. And so that obsession still continues to this day, and I've been doing this 48 years.
What a great storyteller, right?
What a great storyteller, right?
Well, I got close to him because I became the top guy in his company very quickly. But his company fell apart right at that time. He had all these offices in California, like 10 offices. They had about 20 salespeople in each. And I accelerated. I did better than anybody there only because it wasn't for me about money. It was about mission. It was about I wanted to change lives.
Well, I got close to him because I became the top guy in his company very quickly. But his company fell apart right at that time. He had all these offices in California, like 10 offices. They had about 20 salespeople in each. And I accelerated. I did better than anybody there only because it wasn't for me about money. It was about mission. It was about I wanted to change lives.
I was a zealot, you know. And I found the way. And I was so persistent. And so I moved up in his company. And then gradually they called me one day. And, you know, the goal was to be an area sales director. You had your own office and 30 people. And they called me and said, Tony, we want to move you up. You're the best in the whole country.
I was a zealot, you know. And I found the way. And I was so persistent. And so I moved up in his company. And then gradually they called me one day. And, you know, the goal was to be an area sales director. You had your own office and 30 people. And they called me and said, Tony, we want to move you up. You're the best in the whole country.
We're going to want to sit down with you and chat with you. So that's when I got to sit down with Jim. And he said, you're unbelievable. This is what you've done. And he says, we're having a little bit of a change here. And he goes, so he goes, uh, how would you like to take on a city in L.A.? I said, I'd love to. He goes, what city do you want?
We're going to want to sit down with you and chat with you. So that's when I got to sit down with Jim. And he said, you're unbelievable. This is what you've done. And he says, we're having a little bit of a change here. And he goes, so he goes, uh, how would you like to take on a city in L.A.? I said, I'd love to. He goes, what city do you want?
I grew up poorest out in Beverly Hills, thinking they were giving me the money. And then he goes, how many people do you want? I said, 30. It's the most anybody had, right? He goes, okay. He goes, when do you want to start? I said, tomorrow. He goes, great. You're in. I said, okay, who do I call to get the check? He goes, oh, no, it's called phase two.
I grew up poorest out in Beverly Hills, thinking they were giving me the money. And then he goes, how many people do you want? I said, 30. It's the most anybody had, right? He goes, okay. He goes, when do you want to start? I said, tomorrow. He goes, great. You're in. I said, okay, who do I call to get the check? He goes, oh, no, it's called phase two.
We have this new program where you're in charge. It's your business. You hire me to come in. You're a broker, and you fill the event all by yourself, and then you keep half the profits.
We have this new program where you're in charge. It's your business. You hire me to come in. You're a broker, and you fill the event all by yourself, and then you keep half the profits.
But I'd never put 1,000 people in a room before, right? You know, the theory was you put 30 people in a room, you followed up, and you sold his other products and services. That was the business it was in. But I learned to book myself three times a day. I talked to groups where there was supposed to be 20 people there, and four showed up, and two were drunk.
But I'd never put 1,000 people in a room before, right? You know, the theory was you put 30 people in a room, you followed up, and you sold his other products and services. That was the business it was in. But I learned to book myself three times a day. I talked to groups where there was supposed to be 20 people there, and four showed up, and two were drunk.
And I learned how to just take control and make an impact. And I filled these events up and I had my own business. All of a sudden I was a broker in business. So he made that happen. So the answer to your question was he was very separate. He had built his business in a network marketing business originally. And so he was protected and no one really was around Jim.
And I learned how to just take control and make an impact. And I filled these events up and I had my own business. All of a sudden I was a broker in business. So he made that happen. So the answer to your question was he was very separate. He had built his business in a network marketing business originally. And so he was protected and no one really was around Jim.
But I got a chance later in life to get more connected to him when he was feeling his mortality and I spoke at his funeral. And he was just a very, very loving man who found answers that were of common sense. And he was really moved by delivering them to people the same way I am in my life, but a very different style, as you know, than I do. He talked one-tenth my speed, right?
But I got a chance later in life to get more connected to him when he was feeling his mortality and I spoke at his funeral. And he was just a very, very loving man who found answers that were of common sense. And he was really moved by delivering them to people the same way I am in my life, but a very different style, as you know, than I do. He talked one-tenth my speed, right?
And he had this great rhythm. He was a really, I look at him as a business philosopher, is really what he was. But I learned so much from him, and it was a good basis. But the tools that made me grow even more, he gave me the philosophy that if you want things to change, you gotta change. You want things to get better, you gotta get better.
And he had this great rhythm. He was a really, I look at him as a business philosopher, is really what he was. But I learned so much from him, and it was a good basis. But the tools that made me grow even more, he gave me the philosophy that if you want things to change, you gotta change. You want things to get better, you gotta get better.
But what changed me was learning the tools of neuro-linguistic programming from John Grinder, where I learned how to take somebody with a lifetime phobia and wipe it out in 20 or 30 minutes.
But what changed me was learning the tools of neuro-linguistic programming from John Grinder, where I learned how to take somebody with a lifetime phobia and wipe it out in 20 or 30 minutes.
I've got to rent the hotel. I've got to open the office. I've got to do it all myself. You're painful.
I've got to rent the hotel. I've got to open the office. I've got to do it all myself. You're painful.
Almost all California. Mostly California. And we do like three seminars every eight weeks, right, for about three and a half hours. My schedule is a little more intense than that.
Almost all California. Mostly California. And we do like three seminars every eight weeks, right, for about three and a half hours. My schedule is a little more intense than that.
I was with him for 17 to 21, basically, 22. So about four or five years almost.
I was with him for 17 to 21, basically, 22. So about four or five years almost.
Unbelievable what a chance to learn.
Unbelievable what a chance to learn.
It'd be 1981, 82. Okay, so 81, 82.
It'd be 1981, 82. Okay, so 81, 82.
Well, someone who came to work for me when I started my new company, it was, you know, achievement enterprises there in Beverly Hills. And this guy was very interesting. And then a woman came to work for me and they were both really into NLP. And so I said, explain it to me. And I started reading the books and then I went to a class and I had to talk my way in.
Well, someone who came to work for me when I started my new company, it was, you know, achievement enterprises there in Beverly Hills. And this guy was very interesting. And then a woman came to work for me and they were both really into NLP. And so I said, explain it to me. And I started reading the books and then I went to a class and I had to talk my way in.
Cause in those days it was only therapists that were going there. And then he was working with the government on some of the individuals that you're describing, some of the three level agencies per se. But I went and I basically went to him and said, look, all these people here have been conditioned to do 20 years or 10 years or five years or three years of therapy.
Cause in those days it was only therapists that were going there. And then he was working with the government on some of the individuals that you're describing, some of the three level agencies per se. But I went and I basically went to him and said, look, all these people here have been conditioned to do 20 years or 10 years or five years or three years of therapy.
I said, that's their limitation. I don't have those limitations. I'll take this stuff and I'll implement it. Should bring somebody from the outside. And I said, besides that, I'm gonna stick my ear against the, this is the Holiday Inn outside. He was doing this six month training at the Holiday Inn outside of LAX. I said, I'll just stick my ear and listen.
I said, that's their limitation. I don't have those limitations. I'll take this stuff and I'll implement it. Should bring somebody from the outside. And I said, besides that, I'm gonna stick my ear against the, this is the Holiday Inn outside. He was doing this six month training at the Holiday Inn outside of LAX. I said, I'll just stick my ear and listen.
So he let me come in and I proved myself because he would leave and like a person started breaking down and having these multiple disassociative patterns and freaking out. Everybody's freaking out. I just got up and boom and handled it. And everybody's like, this kid got up and did all these things. And it was just because I was obsessed with mastering the skills. I didn't want to just...
So he let me come in and I proved myself because he would leave and like a person started breaking down and having these multiple disassociative patterns and freaking out. Everybody's freaking out. I just got up and boom and handled it. And everybody's like, this kid got up and did all these things. And it was just because I was obsessed with mastering the skills. I didn't want to just...
I wanted to help people to change now. Again, it was my drive that made me, my hunger to really learn that made me strong. And I was also willing to try anything. I wasn't afraid of failing. And so gradually he and I eventually became partners. And then we went to, you know, I got a chance to go through top secret clearance. And I went to the U.S.
I wanted to help people to change now. Again, it was my drive that made me, my hunger to really learn that made me strong. And I was also willing to try anything. I wasn't afraid of failing. And so gradually he and I eventually became partners. And then we went to, you know, I got a chance to go through top secret clearance. And I went to the U.S.
Army at one point with him and convinced this general that I said, you know, I can take any training you do in the entire army, cut the training time in half and increase the competency. He said, you're crazy. And I said, no, I'm expensive. And we negotiated this deal. But I thought John was going to be my partner.
Army at one point with him and convinced this general that I said, you know, I can take any training you do in the entire army, cut the training time in half and increase the competency. He said, you're crazy. And I said, no, I'm expensive. And we negotiated this deal. But I thought John was going to be my partner.
And the first deal they created for me was to do a four-day pistol shooting program where 70% of the people qualified, 30% didn't. And that's the best they've done since World War II. So I said, I'll turn that around. I'll cut it in half, right? That's great confidence. But I also knew that John Grinder, Dr. Grinder, he had been in the Special Forces.
And the first deal they created for me was to do a four-day pistol shooting program where 70% of the people qualified, 30% didn't. And that's the best they've done since World War II. So I said, I'll turn that around. I'll cut it in half, right? That's great confidence. But I also knew that John Grinder, Dr. Grinder, he had been in the Special Forces.
So I figured between he and I together, we'll do this. He's my partner. And the day I'm supposed to go there after going through a year of top secret clearance, all that stuff, I'm going to Langley underground place. And I said, give me the best in the army, the best in all the armed sources and give me the best shooter coach. And I'm going to model them.
So I figured between he and I together, we'll do this. He's my partner. And the day I'm supposed to go there after going through a year of top secret clearance, all that stuff, I'm going to Langley underground place. And I said, give me the best in the army, the best in all the armed sources and give me the best shooter coach. And I'm going to model them.
I'm going to find out what is that they all do in common. And we'll put that into a training and we'll excel at their training. And John Grinder calls me and says, Tony goes, I'm really sorry. I've got an emergency. I got to fly to Germany. You're on your own. Click. And I start to go in a bit of a panic, right? But then I can't step out of it.
I'm going to find out what is that they all do in common. And we'll put that into a training and we'll excel at their training. And John Grinder calls me and says, Tony goes, I'm really sorry. I've got an emergency. I got to fly to Germany. You're on your own. Click. And I start to go in a bit of a panic, right? But then I can't step out of it.
And one of the great gifts of my life is I've done so much in my life where there is no net. I'm sure you understand what I mean, right? When there's no net, you find a way to, I always tell people, if you want to take the island, burn your boats, right? So that day I burned my boats.
And one of the great gifts of my life is I've done so much in my life where there is no net. I'm sure you understand what I mean, right? When there's no net, you find a way to, I always tell people, if you want to take the island, burn your boats, right? So that day I burned my boats.
I called one of the guys in the community of NLP that I knew disliked me because I dislodged him, you know, being this kid who came up with batter very quickly and became partners. And I said, I'm doing this deal and they're only going to pay me. You know, my deal is I only get paid if I cut the training time in half. And if I fail, I get nothing.
I called one of the guys in the community of NLP that I knew disliked me because I dislodged him, you know, being this kid who came up with batter very quickly and became partners. And I said, I'm doing this deal and they're only going to pay me. You know, my deal is I only get paid if I cut the training time in half. And if I fail, I get nothing.
I thought I'd tell you because I know you want to cheer me on. So it just made my I couldn't go back. And I went in and, you know, these guys walked in and. I'm 24 years old, and I'm wearing jeans and a T-shirt. And they go, where's the teacher? Where's the trainer? And I said, I'm him. You know, these guys were 35 years old. One was 40. And he said, you're him? How long have you been shooting?
I thought I'd tell you because I know you want to cheer me on. So it just made my I couldn't go back. And I went in and, you know, these guys walked in and. I'm 24 years old, and I'm wearing jeans and a T-shirt. And they go, where's the teacher? Where's the trainer? And I said, I'm him. You know, these guys were 35 years old. One was 40. And he said, you're him? How long have you been shooting?
I said, shooting what? He said, guns. I said, oh, I've never shot a gun. And you're going to train us? He said, yeah, I can do this, no problem. And I said, close your eyes. And I had all of them go through their rhythm to shoot. But before I do that, they're like, no, we want to see you shoot. I said, I don't know how to shoot. So I get up there. I'm underground.
I said, shooting what? He said, guns. I said, oh, I've never shot a gun. And you're going to train us? He said, yeah, I can do this, no problem. And I said, close your eyes. And I had all of them go through their rhythm to shoot. But before I do that, they're like, no, we want to see you shoot. I said, I don't know how to shoot. So I get up there. I'm underground.
And I shoot the thing, and I'm shooting a .45 caliber pistol, which, you know, I didn't know it has a product kick. I put the bullet in the ceiling. This did not build confidence. But by the time I was done, I'd figured out every aspect of what each of them did that was not unique to them but was consistent.
And I shoot the thing, and I'm shooting a .45 caliber pistol, which, you know, I didn't know it has a product kick. I put the bullet in the ceiling. This did not build confidence. But by the time I was done, I'd figured out every aspect of what each of them did that was not unique to them but was consistent.
And one of the most important things I found besides the motions, the movements, the preparation, the breathing, was that mentally they didn't realize it, but they brought the target closer. So when I went to train people, I made the target four feet in front of them. Because when I tried to do it, it seemed forever. Boom, boom, boom. You build on success right through the center. Oh my God.
And one of the most important things I found besides the motions, the movements, the preparation, the breathing, was that mentally they didn't realize it, but they brought the target closer. So when I went to train people, I made the target four feet in front of them. Because when I tried to do it, it seemed forever. Boom, boom, boom. You build on success right through the center. Oh my God.
Then five, 10 feet, then 20. And when we, by the time we done, we did a one and a half day program called divide 100% of the people. And the colonel wrote a letter to the general saying it's the first breakthrough in pistol shooting since World War I. So that took me to a different level. Then I started knowing, man, I can model anything. I can make it happen. Then I modeled firewalking.
Then five, 10 feet, then 20. And when we, by the time we done, we did a one and a half day program called divide 100% of the people. And the colonel wrote a letter to the general saying it's the first breakthrough in pistol shooting since World War I. So that took me to a different level. Then I started knowing, man, I can model anything. I can make it happen. Then I modeled firewalking.
So it just all expanded. And over the years, then I modeled whatever I wanted to learn, like business. So now I'm fortunate enough to have 114 companies. We do $8 billion in business now, and I have no business background. I learned it all by learning from the very best people in the world and modeling their strategies and compressing the time. And so it's now one of my great passions in life.
So it just all expanded. And over the years, then I modeled whatever I wanted to learn, like business. So now I'm fortunate enough to have 114 companies. We do $8 billion in business now, and I have no business background. I learned it all by learning from the very best people in the world and modeling their strategies and compressing the time. And so it's now one of my great passions in life.
Well, I'm sure there were. But, I mean, when I was, because I was on the other side of the track, so to speak, I had a chip on my shoulder, right? You know, these people I thought were wealthy. They weren't even slightly wealthy. But when you don't have money for food, somebody that's well-fed looks like they're rich, right? And there were cliques, you know, if you weren't part of the clique.
Well, I'm sure there were. But, I mean, when I was, because I was on the other side of the track, so to speak, I had a chip on my shoulder, right? You know, these people I thought were wealthy. They weren't even slightly wealthy. But when you don't have money for food, somebody that's well-fed looks like they're rich, right? And there were cliques, you know, if you weren't part of the clique.
And I wanted to be an athlete. But we had no money to go to Little League or things of that nature. But when my forefather, Jim Robbins, came along, who adopted me, he was a former semi-pro baseball player. So we started playing and everything else. But, you know, I started when I was like 15 instead of like kids in my community were like eight, you know, playing rookie league.
And I wanted to be an athlete. But we had no money to go to Little League or things of that nature. But when my forefather, Jim Robbins, came along, who adopted me, he was a former semi-pro baseball player. So we started playing and everything else. But, you know, I started when I was like 15 instead of like kids in my community were like eight, you know, playing rookie league.
But I was so driven. I wanted to – it was a way of – finding love with my father was by becoming better. And I also had, I had huge drive because I just wanted to be more. I didn't want to settle. I looked at our family and all the pain that I saw my mother go through and we would go through and I was like, I'm not going to have a future like that. I'm going to find some way to do more.
But I was so driven. I wanted to – it was a way of – finding love with my father was by becoming better. And I also had, I had huge drive because I just wanted to be more. I didn't want to settle. I looked at our family and all the pain that I saw my mother go through and we would go through and I was like, I'm not going to have a future like that. I'm going to find some way to do more.
So it produced drive. So even when I was in sports, I was so competitive in junior high school that like, you know, I was a little guy, but I played linebacker and quarterback. And I would, during practice, guys would complain because I'd stick them so hard. And I'd say, you get strong. I mean, I'm half your size, but you know, you get low, you can take anybody out, right?
So it produced drive. So even when I was in sports, I was so competitive in junior high school that like, you know, I was a little guy, but I played linebacker and quarterback. And I would, during practice, guys would complain because I'd stick them so hard. And I'd say, you get strong. I mean, I'm half your size, but you know, you get low, you can take anybody out, right?
So I had this intensity and that level. But when I got to serving people, That disappeared. It wasn't like I wasn't competing with anybody. I was competing with what I was capable of. And, you know, I'd read so many autobiographies. And I remember Dr. J saying, in fact, when I met Jordan years later, I asked him, you know, what is it that's made you the best in the world? Is it God-given talent?
So I had this intensity and that level. But when I got to serving people, That disappeared. It wasn't like I wasn't competing with anybody. I was competing with what I was capable of. And, you know, I'd read so many autobiographies. And I remember Dr. J saying, in fact, when I met Jordan years later, I asked him, you know, what is it that's made you the best in the world? Is it God-given talent?
Is it skill? Is it ability? What is it? And he was cool. He said, listen, I don't have fame, you know, anything with you. It's like I got a lot of God-given talent. But he told me about when he was in high school and the coach cut him because he said, you're not the best player because you're not maximizing your abilities. That's great. And he said, so now I don't compete with anyone.
Is it skill? Is it ability? What is it? And he was cool. He said, listen, I don't have fame, you know, anything with you. It's like I got a lot of God-given talent. But he told me about when he was in high school and the coach cut him because he said, you're not the best player because you're not maximizing your abilities. That's great. And he said, so now I don't compete with anyone.
I compete with the best I can be. Every day my goal is to find a way to do more than I've ever done before within me. I'm not competing with anybody else. And I called him, I said, that was Dr. J's philosophy. And I'll never forget his face. He goes, you know that? Because I read his autobiography.
I compete with the best I can be. Every day my goal is to find a way to do more than I've ever done before within me. I'm not competing with anybody else. And I called him, I said, that was Dr. J's philosophy. And I'll never forget his face. He goes, you know that? Because I read his autobiography.
Got it, yeah. And he was the champion at his stage of life, right? He was a Michael before Michael. Yeah, so from early on, it's like, I'm competing with the next level of who I am. I'm not competing with anybody else. There's nobody to compete with. You know, it's like there's a different level I'm here to deliver.
Got it, yeah. And he was the champion at his stage of life, right? He was a Michael before Michael. Yeah, so from early on, it's like, I'm competing with the next level of who I am. I'm not competing with anybody else. There's nobody to compete with. You know, it's like there's a different level I'm here to deliver.
He still is. Go play golf with him or anything else. I've not done that.
He still is. Go play golf with him or anything else. I've not done that.
My early one was watching people in therapy for five years, 10 years, 20 years. And when I got involved with NLP, seeing it could be done in minutes. And I was, I used to destroy therapists. I used to attack them. Now I've trained, you know, literally hundreds of thousands of them. Got it.
My early one was watching people in therapy for five years, 10 years, 20 years. And when I got involved with NLP, seeing it could be done in minutes. And I was, I used to destroy therapists. I used to attack them. Now I've trained, you know, literally hundreds of thousands of them. Got it.
In fact, they can watch my stuff now and get credits to remain a therapist, even though I'm not a therapist myself. So that drove these activists.
In fact, they can watch my stuff now and get credits to remain a therapist, even though I'm not a therapist myself. So that drove these activists.
Because I was so mad that somebody would be 10 years still dealing with a problem that I knew could be dealt with in a day or two or an hour or two. I got it. And so I remember I got on a radio show in Vancouver. And I went on the show. And I didn't know it was a shock jock. I didn't know what a shock jock was then.
Because I was so mad that somebody would be 10 years still dealing with a problem that I knew could be dealt with in a day or two or an hour or two. I got it. And so I remember I got on a radio show in Vancouver. And I went on the show. And I didn't know it was a shock jock. I didn't know what a shock jock was then.
And so the guy starts, you know, setting me up and attacking me and saying, well, you know, how old are you? And you don't have a degree. And how are you going to do this? And he just starts going after me in every way you possibly can. And then he brings a psychiatrist on who starts attacking me verbally because he said, there's no way you can wipe things out as fast as you're saying.
And so the guy starts, you know, setting me up and attacking me and saying, well, you know, how old are you? And you don't have a degree. And how are you going to do this? And he just starts going after me in every way you possibly can. And then he brings a psychiatrist on who starts attacking me verbally because he said, there's no way you can wipe things out as fast as you're saying.
There's just absolutely no way. You're a liar. You're a charlatan. This is on national radio. And so my competitiveness came out in that moment very intensely. And so I turned to the guy and very calmly said over the radio, I said, sir, I said, are you a scientist? He said, of course, I'm a physician.
There's just absolutely no way. You're a liar. You're a charlatan. This is on national radio. And so my competitiveness came out in that moment very intensely. And so I turned to the guy and very calmly said over the radio, I said, sir, I said, are you a scientist? He said, of course, I'm a physician.
I said, good, so if you're a scientist, you must be stating your hypothesis because your hypothesis is I'm a liar and a charlatan because you've never met me, right? You never met my clients. So you can't, you can only sell me what you believe. I said, so if you have a hypothesis and you're a true scientist, you have to test it, right? And the voice goes, yeah.
I said, good, so if you're a scientist, you must be stating your hypothesis because your hypothesis is I'm a liar and a charlatan because you've never met me, right? You never met my clients. So you can't, you can only sell me what you believe. I said, so if you have a hypothesis and you're a true scientist, you have to test it, right? And the voice goes, yeah.
And I said, well, I'm doing a free guest event at the Holiday Inn tomorrow night, 7 p.m. I'm going to do a series of demonstrations. I suggest you come and prove my charlatan. Bring me one of your worst patients. Bring me somebody that you've worked on for years and not be able to change. I said, I'm sure you got plenty of those. You want to play hardball?
And I said, well, I'm doing a free guest event at the Holiday Inn tomorrow night, 7 p.m. I'm going to do a series of demonstrations. I suggest you come and prove my charlatan. Bring me one of your worst patients. Bring me somebody that you've worked on for years and not be able to change. I said, I'm sure you got plenty of those. You want to play hardball?
I can play hardball, especially in those because I'm a lot softer today. But I was still proving myself to myself and other people, I think, at that stage. You know, you're immature. So I was intense. And so the guy goes, we all have people that aren't ready to change yet. I said, well, that's funny. I haven't found any.
I can play hardball, especially in those because I'm a lot softer today. But I was still proving myself to myself and other people, I think, at that stage. You know, you're immature. So I was intense. And so the guy goes, we all have people that aren't ready to change yet. I said, well, that's funny. I haven't found any.
Of course, I'd done four therapies at that point, but I didn't mention that, right? And he goes, well, I have this one woman, you know, she has this snake phobia. She goes to sleep at night. She has a dream. Snake bites her in the face. And if you ever had an intense dream like that, it fires off your adrenal glands and you wake up. How often? Three to five times a night.
Of course, I'd done four therapies at that point, but I didn't mention that, right? And he goes, well, I have this one woman, you know, she has this snake phobia. She goes to sleep at night. She has a dream. Snake bites her in the face. And if you ever had an intense dream like that, it fires off your adrenal glands and you wake up. How often? Three to five times a night.
How many years have you been treating her? Seven years. I said, bring her down. That should take me 10 or 15 minutes. And I said it directly. And that guy goes, ah! The guy cuts him off, says, see you're right at the Holiday Inn. So I show up the next day at the Holiday Inn. I'm hoping in those days to get, you know, 150 people to show up for a free guest event. 500 people show up.
How many years have you been treating her? Seven years. I said, bring her down. That should take me 10 or 15 minutes. And I said it directly. And that guy goes, ah! The guy cuts him off, says, see you're right at the Holiday Inn. So I show up the next day at the Holiday Inn. I'm hoping in those days to get, you know, 150 people to show up for a free guest event. 500 people show up.
I mean, there's not seating in a room. People are standing on the walls. If the fire department comes in, they're going to empty. Just to see. Because they want to see the shootout.
I mean, there's not seating in a room. People are standing on the walls. If the fire department comes in, they're going to empty. Just to see. Because they want to see the shootout.
He shows up. But he's not there. I'm looking around. I don't know. Do you do this when I meet somebody on the phone? I can't help it. I make a picture of mine, what I think they look like. So I'm picturing, okay, oh, be there. I'm picturing this giant guy with a scared woman on his arm. And I'm looking for something. Nobody liked that. So I get up to introduce myself in those days.
He shows up. But he's not there. I'm looking around. I don't know. Do you do this when I meet somebody on the phone? I can't help it. I make a picture of mine, what I think they look like. So I'm picturing, okay, oh, be there. I'm picturing this giant guy with a scared woman on his arm. And I'm looking for something. Nobody liked that. So I get up to introduce myself in those days.
Hi, I'm Tony Robbins. I said, I'm going to do some demonstrations today to show you can make changes in minutes you thought would take months or years. And right when I say this, the side door bursts open like a movie. And this guy about half my size up to here walks in with this woman on his arm. Walks straight to the front and stands there while I'm speaking.
Hi, I'm Tony Robbins. I said, I'm going to do some demonstrations today to show you can make changes in minutes you thought would take months or years. And right when I say this, the side door bursts open like a movie. And this guy about half my size up to here walks in with this woman on his arm. Walks straight to the front and stands there while I'm speaking.
And I go, excuse me, looks like I have a visitor. I just go down and shake his hand. He wouldn't shake my hand. He just goes, here's the woman. And my whole career was made in that moment. I brought her on stage and I said, ma'am, I understand you've had certain phobias to certain things for a period of time. How do you feel about snakes? And I shouted it.
And I go, excuse me, looks like I have a visitor. I just go down and shake his hand. He wouldn't shake my hand. He just goes, here's the woman. And my whole career was made in that moment. I brought her on stage and I said, ma'am, I understand you've had certain phobias to certain things for a period of time. How do you feel about snakes? And I shouted it.
If you've ever seen a phobia, it's not just fear. It's uncontrollable shaking response. And then I calmed her down and I said, Dan, you've been treated for seven years by that psychiatrist right there? And she goes, yeah. And I said, okay. And then I started doing this work. It took me about 15 minutes. And when I was done, everybody's watching the whole thing.
If you've ever seen a phobia, it's not just fear. It's uncontrollable shaking response. And then I calmed her down and I said, Dan, you've been treated for seven years by that psychiatrist right there? And she goes, yeah. And I said, okay. And then I started doing this work. It took me about 15 minutes. And when I was done, everybody's watching the whole thing.
I said, how do you feel about snakes? No response. I was totally fine. I said, that's great. So, you know, I've always been about demonstration to make it really clear. So there's a piece back here on the table and I grab this bag and I pull the bag out and the bag's moving slightly underneath and the people in the audience see it and they start to anticipate.
I said, how do you feel about snakes? No response. I was totally fine. I said, that's great. So, you know, I've always been about demonstration to make it really clear. So there's a piece back here on the table and I grab this bag and I pull the bag out and the bag's moving slightly underneath and the people in the audience see it and they start to anticipate.
And I pull out just a little gardener snake, pull the gardener snake in front of her. And instead of screaming or shaking, she knew that she just pulled back. And I said, how do you feel? She goes, they're not very attractive. And I said, well, I know you feel some fear, but notice there's no spitting, no shaking. You're not screaming. I said, I wanted you, you know, why don't you hold it?
And I pull out just a little gardener snake, pull the gardener snake in front of her. And instead of screaming or shaking, she knew that she just pulled back. And I said, how do you feel? She goes, they're not very attractive. And I said, well, I know you feel some fear, but notice there's no spitting, no shaking. You're not screaming. I said, I wanted you, you know, why don't you hold it?
She goes, I don't know. And the audience starts going, hold it. It's like a movie, man. You can't make this stuff up. And so finally the lady grabs it, squeeze the snake. I said, don't kill it. Right. And so that launched my career. So then every night I was doing a different type of event. I had, I had every kind of change you can imagine. And I started doing these impossible interventions.
She goes, I don't know. And the audience starts going, hold it. It's like a movie, man. You can't make this stuff up. And so finally the lady grabs it, squeeze the snake. I said, don't kill it. Right. And so that launched my career. So then every night I was doing a different type of event. I had, I had every kind of change you can imagine. And I started doing these impossible interventions.
I'll do one session. I don't care what it is. You're addicted. It's something I'll turn around. You pay me nothing. And it was $1,000 in those days, which was a huge amount of money. But I did it to put it on the line. I'm putting myself on the line. If I don't get a result, I don't get anything. And that's how I built it. And then I had a woman who had an orgasm in 10 years.
I'll do one session. I don't care what it is. You're addicted. It's something I'll turn around. You pay me nothing. And it was $1,000 in those days, which was a huge amount of money. But I did it to put it on the line. I'm putting myself on the line. If I don't get a result, I don't get anything. And that's how I built it. And then I had a woman who had an orgasm in 10 years.
And I gave her an orgasm without touching her. And guys are like, can you teach me to do that when I'm tired? And then I started working with sports teams.
And I gave her an orgasm without touching her. And guys are like, can you teach me to do that when I'm tired? And then I started working with sports teams.
I didn't teach her. I didn't touch her. I just... I eliminated the barrier that she had. What was the barrier? In her head, she was constantly analyzing every single moment. Well, a woman is very different than a man. They can't have that experience unless they let go completely. So I got her to let go completely and then experience the joy that she wanted to have.
I didn't teach her. I didn't touch her. I just... I eliminated the barrier that she had. What was the barrier? In her head, she was constantly analyzing every single moment. Well, a woman is very different than a man. They can't have that experience unless they let go completely. So I got her to let go completely and then experience the joy that she wanted to have.
But she had all these blockages, all the pain of other relationships, problems, it was complex. Sure, sure. But it took me about 45 minutes to do it. But when I started doing that, then I had all of a sudden politicians. I had sports teams.
But she had all these blockages, all the pain of other relationships, problems, it was complex. Sure, sure. But it took me about 45 minutes to do it. But when I started doing that, then I had all of a sudden politicians. I had sports teams.
They might have needed that also. By nature, they're politicians, so I'm sure they don't have that many orgasms. But all of a sudden, you know, I'm working with Olympic athletes in 1984 in LA. That's how long I've been doing this. And the guy I worked with wasn't supposed to win the team. And he ended up winning the 1500 freestyle and swimming. And that gave me another notch. And then the army.
They might have needed that also. By nature, they're politicians, so I'm sure they don't have that many orgasms. But all of a sudden, you know, I'm working with Olympic athletes in 1984 in LA. That's how long I've been doing this. And the guy I worked with wasn't supposed to win the team. And he ended up winning the 1500 freestyle and swimming. And that gave me another notch. And then the army.
And then all of a sudden, then all of a sudden, we're working with Nelson Mandela and Mother Teresa and Gorbachev and Clinton. And I mean, and I'm only 32. So, you know, I'm stuck. I'm going to be 65 in about 30 days here. So it's been 48 years of that continued growth and expansion. Then I got into businesses and figuring out the patterns in businesses. It's all patterns, as you know, Patrick.
And then all of a sudden, then all of a sudden, we're working with Nelson Mandela and Mother Teresa and Gorbachev and Clinton. And I mean, and I'm only 32. So, you know, I'm stuck. I'm going to be 65 in about 30 days here. So it's been 48 years of that continued growth and expansion. Then I got into businesses and figuring out the patterns in businesses. It's all patterns, as you know, Patrick.
Like if anyone listening wants to say, okay, the world seems uncertain. And yeah, I have five kids and five grandkids. So I have a 50-year-old daughter and I have a three-and-a-half-year-old daughter because three of my kids I adopted early on when I was just 24, 25 years old.
Like if anyone listening wants to say, okay, the world seems uncertain. And yeah, I have five kids and five grandkids. So I have a 50-year-old daughter and I have a three-and-a-half-year-old daughter because three of my kids I adopted early on when I was just 24, 25 years old.
And so I look at my grandkids, especially, and my youngest daughter, and I think 40% of the jobs, if you believe the studies, are going to be gone because of AI, because of robotics, because of nanotechnology and so forth. So how do I arm them to do well in the future? And the answer is there's three skills everybody needs, and they're so simple. And they're the skills that make anybody masterful.
And so I look at my grandkids, especially, and my youngest daughter, and I think 40% of the jobs, if you believe the studies, are going to be gone because of AI, because of robotics, because of nanotechnology and so forth. So how do I arm them to do well in the future? And the answer is there's three skills everybody needs, and they're so simple. And they're the skills that make anybody masterful.
It's not you successful in your insurance business. It's what's made you successful in this business. The first thing is pattern recognition. If you start recognizing patterns, fear disappears. Because like right now when people say, oh, we've never been so divided or now we're, you know, the country has a little more optimism, but we've never been so divided. It's total BS.
It's not you successful in your insurance business. It's what's made you successful in this business. The first thing is pattern recognition. If you start recognizing patterns, fear disappears. Because like right now when people say, oh, we've never been so divided or now we're, you know, the country has a little more optimism, but we've never been so divided. It's total BS.
I can show you the letters that are put out that were posted between Jefferson and Adams. And if you read what they wrote, it makes anything the left or right has said about each other look calm compared to that. So it's like we go in cycles. So when you recognize a pattern, you no longer react. It's like losers react, leaders anticipate. Anticipation is power.
I can show you the letters that are put out that were posted between Jefferson and Adams. And if you read what they wrote, it makes anything the left or right has said about each other look calm compared to that. So it's like we go in cycles. So when you recognize a pattern, you no longer react. It's like losers react, leaders anticipate. Anticipation is power.
So when you know the pattern, and that's what makes anybody great, they see the pattern. But what makes them really great is the second skill when you learn to use the patterns. So if you and I look at anybody, you see somebody that's great in investing. I've interviewed more than 50 of the very best in the world. The Ray Dalios, the Carl Icons, the Warren Buffetts, all the best in private equity.
So when you know the pattern, and that's what makes anybody great, they see the pattern. But what makes them really great is the second skill when you learn to use the patterns. So if you and I look at anybody, you see somebody that's great in investing. I've interviewed more than 50 of the very best in the world. The Ray Dalios, the Carl Icons, the Warren Buffetts, all the best in private equity.
And what you begin to see is there are certain patterns, even though they go about it differently, that are universal. If you sow the same seeds, you reap the same rewards. But they know how to use it. If you see somebody great in music or dance or a movie maker, they know where to move the camera to move your emotion. They bring it in close, when to bring the music up, how to do it. They know it.
And what you begin to see is there are certain patterns, even though they go about it differently, that are universal. If you sow the same seeds, you reap the same rewards. But they know how to use it. If you see somebody great in music or dance or a movie maker, they know where to move the camera to move your emotion. They bring it in close, when to bring the music up, how to do it. They know it.
That makes them masterful. But the third level skill is pattern creation. That's what you've begun to do. That's what I've begun to do. It's like when you learn to play a piano, most people learn someone else's patterns. You learn to see the patterns, recognize them, then you learn to use them. But if you do enough other music, then now you get to come out and you start creating things.
That makes them masterful. But the third level skill is pattern creation. That's what you've begun to do. That's what I've begun to do. It's like when you learn to play a piano, most people learn someone else's patterns. You learn to see the patterns, recognize them, then you learn to use them. But if you do enough other music, then now you get to come out and you start creating things.
So I'm standing on the shoulders of all the people before me, as are you, because I learned so many things from them. But now at this stage of my life, the last 15, 20 years, I've been able to create things because I know what those patterns are. So those skill sets... That's how my kids will do well. Because if you can learn rapidly and recognize patterns, there's nothing you can't do well at.
So I'm standing on the shoulders of all the people before me, as are you, because I learned so many things from them. But now at this stage of my life, the last 15, 20 years, I've been able to create things because I know what those patterns are. So those skill sets... That's how my kids will do well. Because if you can learn rapidly and recognize patterns, there's nothing you can't do well at.
And that's really, and by the way, noting the patterns of where we are in history, the pattern of where you are in your own life. I'll give you a simple example. What made human beings go from survival, living in fear, where we're hunter-gatherers, to where we could stay in one place, build communities, build cities, build countries, have homes, have the education.
And that's really, and by the way, noting the patterns of where we are in history, the pattern of where you are in your own life. I'll give you a simple example. What made human beings go from survival, living in fear, where we're hunter-gatherers, to where we could stay in one place, build communities, build cities, build countries, have homes, have the education.
What made that possible was one pattern recognition that changed humanity. Do you know what it was?
What made that possible was one pattern recognition that changed humanity. Do you know what it was?
Until we understood seasons, we had to constantly move from place to place and hope we could find our food. But once we understood seasons, we knew if you do the right thing at the wrong time, there is zero reward. But if you do the right thing at the right time, the rewards are immense. So if you plant in the winter, I don't care how hard you work or the summer, you get nothing.
Until we understood seasons, we had to constantly move from place to place and hope we could find our food. But once we understood seasons, we knew if you do the right thing at the wrong time, there is zero reward. But if you do the right thing at the right time, the rewards are immense. So if you plant in the winter, I don't care how hard you work or the summer, you get nothing.
It's like recognizing the seasons changed humanity. Well, there's a season in your own life. Some of your viewers are younger, maybe zero to 21. Think of that as springtime. When it's springtime, what does spring have? Everything grows easily. If it's a springtime in business, you think you're a genius because your business grows.
It's like recognizing the seasons changed humanity. Well, there's a season in your own life. Some of your viewers are younger, maybe zero to 21. Think of that as springtime. When it's springtime, what does spring have? Everything grows easily. If it's a springtime in business, you think you're a genius because your business grows.
Everybody's business grows because it's a time of tremendous optimism and immense growth. The environment's different. People's attitudes are different. But these cycles go through 18, 20-year cycles. If you study 1,000 years of Roman history, which I've done, or 500 years of Anglo-American history, You see, about every 18 to 20 years, there's a shift. It's kind of like we exhaust an emotion.
Everybody's business grows because it's a time of tremendous optimism and immense growth. The environment's different. People's attitudes are different. But these cycles go through 18, 20-year cycles. If you study 1,000 years of Roman history, which I've done, or 500 years of Anglo-American history, You see, about every 18 to 20 years, there's a shift. It's kind of like we exhaust an emotion.
Do you ever smile so much your face hurt? Yes. You know what I mean? So you need a change. Sure. Well, after springtime, the easy time, comes a summertime. And the summer is always a testing time. It's tougher. A lot of people plant in the spring and they go, where's my crop? Are you new? You have to get through all the seasons, right? So summer tests people.
Do you ever smile so much your face hurt? Yes. You know what I mean? So you need a change. Sure. Well, after springtime, the easy time, comes a summertime. And the summer is always a testing time. It's tougher. A lot of people plant in the spring and they go, where's my crop? Are you new? You have to get through all the seasons, right? So summer tests people.
And then you go to another reaping time. You go to the fall where it's easy again, where now things flow. Economies go crazy. People want to give you a mortgage even though you barely have a pulse and not a job. You remember those days. Of course, no income, no assets. Boom, just give it to anyway. And markets go through the roof. But again, what follows that is winter.
And then you go to another reaping time. You go to the fall where it's easy again, where now things flow. Economies go crazy. People want to give you a mortgage even though you barely have a pulse and not a job. You remember those days. Of course, no income, no assets. Boom, just give it to anyway. And markets go through the roof. But again, what follows that is winter.
And the great thing about life is you never skip from the fall to spring. You always go through winter. Some are short. Some are long. Some are hard. Some are easy. But we go through them. They have a purpose. They weed out the weak. They make us, if we push through it, stronger. They make everything better going forward. So there's a purpose in every season.
And the great thing about life is you never skip from the fall to spring. You always go through winter. Some are short. Some are long. Some are hard. Some are easy. But we go through them. They have a purpose. They weed out the weak. They make us, if we push through it, stronger. They make everything better going forward. So there's a purpose in every season.
So zero to 21, you could call the springtime of most people's lives. where some of us had to go to work at seven, eight years old to support our family, but still, you were still protected. If there's a war, you're not going to war. Someone's protecting you. Someone's mostly providing for you, usually providing for you. You're being fed information. You're learning.
So zero to 21, you could call the springtime of most people's lives. where some of us had to go to work at seven, eight years old to support our family, but still, you were still protected. If there's a war, you're not going to war. Someone's protecting you. Someone's mostly providing for you, usually providing for you. You're being fed information. You're learning.
22 to 42, that's the summertime. That's the testing time. That's when most people come out and go, I know I was taught all this, but I'm going to test what I believe. You know, and you're very optimistic. In fact, you think you're invincible at 22, 23, 24.
22 to 42, that's the summertime. That's the testing time. That's when most people come out and go, I know I was taught all this, but I'm going to test what I believe. You know, and you're very optimistic. In fact, you think you're invincible at 22, 23, 24.
You go like, I'm gonna be president of the United States, I'm gonna be a multi-billionaire, and I'm gonna have 100 relationships simultaneously and everyone's gonna be happy. And then you're 30 and you're going, I can't even keep one relationship happy and I'm burnt to the ground. So you go through the phase. But think of 22 to 42 as being like the soldier of society.
You go like, I'm gonna be president of the United States, I'm gonna be a multi-billionaire, and I'm gonna have 100 relationships simultaneously and everyone's gonna be happy. And then you're 30 and you're going, I can't even keep one relationship happy and I'm burnt to the ground. So you go through the phase. But think of 22 to 42 as being like the soldier of society.
In fact, if we go to war, you're the ones going to war 22 to 42. In business, you're the soldier. You're learning, you're growing, you're grunting it out, you're hustling, right? If you work hard during that time and you've done well during spring, You come to the fall, which is, you know, you look at 43 to 63, that's your power period, right?
In fact, if we go to war, you're the ones going to war 22 to 42. In business, you're the soldier. You're learning, you're growing, you're grunting it out, you're hustling, right? If you work hard during that time and you've done well during spring, You come to the fall, which is, you know, you look at 43 to 63, that's your power period, right?
That's the period where you had explosive growth in your business, as an example. That's when you became who you are, where your name became known. That's where all of a sudden you can do probably more today with your pinky than when you work 20 hours a day. And now if you work 20 hours a day, it's produced generational impact much greater than that.
That's the period where you had explosive growth in your business, as an example. That's when you became who you are, where your name became known. That's where all of a sudden you can do probably more today with your pinky than when you work 20 hours a day. And now if you work 20 hours a day, it's produced generational impact much greater than that.
So that period of time, by the way, 22 to 42, if people are in that stage of life right now, it's statistically the most unhappy period. Because people are trying, they thought it was gonna be easy, it's not so easy they eventually learn. Usually they're 42.
So that period of time, by the way, 22 to 42, if people are in that stage of life right now, it's statistically the most unhappy period. Because people are trying, they thought it was gonna be easy, it's not so easy they eventually learn. Usually they're 42.
And what they learn is, well not as easy as I thought, I'm not as invincible as I thought, and they have to figure things out, and they're trying to prove themselves to themselves and others, they haven't figured it all out yet. Now some people do these seasons earlier, some later, but it's a good range. In that power period, that's when you have the greatest economic growth.
And what they learn is, well not as easy as I thought, I'm not as invincible as I thought, and they have to figure things out, and they're trying to prove themselves to themselves and others, they haven't figured it all out yet. Now some people do these seasons earlier, some later, but it's a good range. In that power period, that's when you have the greatest economic growth.
That's when you start having long-term relationships. But the ultimate time, and I say to you this as a brother who's heading in that direction, because I never would have believed it, is really when you get to 63 to 83 or 63 to 103 or 63 to 120, which is the oldest humans, the final season, the winter season. But that's the season in which you really are the elder of society.
That's when you start having long-term relationships. But the ultimate time, and I say to you this as a brother who's heading in that direction, because I never would have believed it, is really when you get to 63 to 83 or 63 to 103 or 63 to 120, which is the oldest humans, the final season, the winter season. But that's the season in which you really are the elder of society.
And if you've done your job up front, You've reaped so much. All you want to do is give back. And you don't worry about what people think about you because you sure would like to make everybody happy. But you know, you know, unless you got holes, you know, Jesus couldn't pull it off. So I don't know if you're going to do that. Right. So it's like, I'm here to help the people that are interested.
And if you've done your job up front, You've reaped so much. All you want to do is give back. And you don't worry about what people think about you because you sure would like to make everybody happy. But you know, you know, unless you got holes, you know, Jesus couldn't pull it off. So I don't know if you're going to do that. Right. So it's like, I'm here to help the people that are interested.
I'm not here to say I'm the right thing for everybody. And you own yourself at a different level and you really can move a pinky and make things happen.
I'm not here to say I'm the right thing for everybody. And you own yourself at a different level and you really can move a pinky and make things happen.
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Yeah.
If you please let me, the same thing happens in history. So just for a second, if you're born in 1910, you don't have to be a historian to think about this, and those first 20 years are protected. People born in 1910 were born at a time when World War I was going on, but then we went and solved the war, won the war, came back and had the roaring 20s, had this incredible economy, right?
If you please let me, the same thing happens in history. So just for a second, if you're born in 1910, you don't have to be a historian to think about this, and those first 20 years are protected. People born in 1910 were born at a time when World War I was going on, but then we went and solved the war, won the war, came back and had the roaring 20s, had this incredible economy, right?
So when they're 10 years old, the economy's going crazy. We got all this new technology. We got cars, we got planes, we got radio, we got television. And that generation was called flappers. Because they were looked down on like a lot of, let's say, Z generation or millennials are by X generation people or sometimes baby boomers. Because they didn't have to go through the tough times, right?
So when they're 10 years old, the economy's going crazy. We got all this new technology. We got cars, we got planes, we got radio, we got television. And that generation was called flappers. Because they were looked down on like a lot of, let's say, Z generation or millennials are by X generation people or sometimes baby boomers. Because they didn't have to go through the tough times, right?
And they didn't. They frankly didn't. But what happened to that kid born in 1910 and 1929 when he's 19 thinking he's going to go get a car and he's going to go get a party? The whole world turned upside down. The Depression. People jumping out of buildings. The Dust Bowl. People standing in line for bread. And by the way, they made it through 10 years. 10 years of depression.
And they didn't. They frankly didn't. But what happened to that kid born in 1910 and 1929 when he's 19 thinking he's going to go get a car and he's going to go get a party? The whole world turned upside down. The Depression. People jumping out of buildings. The Dust Bowl. People standing in line for bread. And by the way, they made it through 10 years. 10 years of depression.
Now, that doesn't mean every day is dark. You know, you can be in winter and have beautiful days, 31, 32 were nice times. But the overall thing was testing and they became strong because they had to be. Then right when they turned 29, 1939, what happens? World War II, you and I weren't alive then, but anybody was alive then, it looked like the world was ending.
Now, that doesn't mean every day is dark. You know, you can be in winter and have beautiful days, 31, 32 were nice times. But the overall thing was testing and they became strong because they had to be. Then right when they turned 29, 1939, what happens? World War II, you and I weren't alive then, but anybody was alive then, it looked like the world was ending.
Hitler was taking over countries in days, blitzkrieging everywhere. And so what happened is that generation volunteered and went to war, and they won the war, and they came back the heroes. They're now known as the greatest American generation, and they were known as flappers and losers. What made them strong was pushing through winter.
Hitler was taking over countries in days, blitzkrieging everywhere. And so what happened is that generation volunteered and went to war, and they won the war, and they came back the heroes. They're now known as the greatest American generation, and they were known as flappers and losers. What made them strong was pushing through winter.
Everybody, listen to me now, everybody goes through winter if they live 80 years plus. You don't have a choice. It's just which season. Are you going to do it in the early stage, middle stage, late stage? It's coming. But watch this. Think about those people. They come home.
Everybody, listen to me now, everybody goes through winter if they live 80 years plus. You don't have a choice. It's just which season. Are you going to do it in the early stage, middle stage, late stage? It's coming. But watch this. Think about those people. They come home.
And think how the world changes when after winter it's now springtime and the vets are now moving out to the suburbs and they get basically a free down payment on the home and we have all these new technologies. Think about the 50s and early 60s until Kennedy is killed. There's a level of optimism in this country that's amazing. Springtime.
And think how the world changes when after winter it's now springtime and the vets are now moving out to the suburbs and they get basically a free down payment on the home and we have all these new technologies. Think about the 50s and early 60s until Kennedy is killed. There's a level of optimism in this country that's amazing. Springtime.
After Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, it's a different world. It's a testing summer where young and old fight each other. It happens every 80 years. Generational fights. I'm not going to war. It was a completely different mindset. Those people raised kids differently than they did. They weren't around. They were doing their mission or doing whatever their love in.
After Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, it's a different world. It's a testing summer where young and old fight each other. It happens every 80 years. Generational fights. I'm not going to war. It was a completely different mindset. Those people raised kids differently than they did. They weren't around. They were doing their mission or doing whatever their love in.
And so their kids became latchkey kids, kids that would let themselves in the house and watch the television and have fun for themselves. So they developed different values as a generation, the X generation, more pragmatic. If you ask people during the 60s and 70s, which they did in the universities, what's more important, a philosophy of life
And so their kids became latchkey kids, kids that would let themselves in the house and watch the television and have fun for themselves. So they developed different values as a generation, the X generation, more pragmatic. If you ask people during the 60s and 70s, which they did in the universities, what's more important, a philosophy of life
that will make you happy, or the pragmatic skills to make you financially secure or free. 82% said philosophy of life. 80s, 90s, 2000s, they asked the same question, complete reversal. 81% saying no, pragmatic skills to be financially free. And what season are we in now? Winter. And when it's winter, everything's exaggerated. It's World War III, we're all gonna die.
that will make you happy, or the pragmatic skills to make you financially secure or free. 82% said philosophy of life. 80s, 90s, 2000s, they asked the same question, complete reversal. 81% saying no, pragmatic skills to be financially free. And what season are we in now? Winter. And when it's winter, everything's exaggerated. It's World War III, we're all gonna die.
Some of the same things were happening before. You don't have that mindset. It's a fear time. We're about three quarters of the way through it if you study historians, fourth turning guys, various people will tell you that. We still have to go through some more economic challenges. We still have to go through probably some form of war, even a cyber war with China or something.
Some of the same things were happening before. You don't have that mindset. It's a fear time. We're about three quarters of the way through it if you study historians, fourth turning guys, various people will tell you that. We still have to go through some more economic challenges. We still have to go through probably some form of war, even a cyber war with China or something.
But on the other side of it is another springtime. What I want people to get is, You've got to know where you are in your life and where you are in history, and you've got to learn to take advantage of it. You can't complain that it's winter.
But on the other side of it is another springtime. What I want people to get is, You've got to know where you are in your life and where you are in history, and you've got to learn to take advantage of it. You can't complain that it's winter.
During winter, if you start a business in winter and you succeed, 60% of all the Fortune 1000 companies that are alive today, the biggest successful companies could have been born in any one of those four seasons, they were all born in winter. In a recession or a depression. From FedEx to Disney, Disney was depression. FedEx was a recession. I could walk you through them all.
During winter, if you start a business in winter and you succeed, 60% of all the Fortune 1000 companies that are alive today, the biggest successful companies could have been born in any one of those four seasons, they were all born in winter. In a recession or a depression. From FedEx to Disney, Disney was depression. FedEx was a recession. I could walk you through them all.
So that process makes you strong. And that is why, here's the history of the world in four sentences and I'll shut up. Good times create weak people. They're not bad people, they're just weak because they haven't been challenged. Weak people create bad times. Bad times create strong people. Strong people create great times. So millennials and Zs are the next heroes.
So that process makes you strong. And that is why, here's the history of the world in four sentences and I'll shut up. Good times create weak people. They're not bad people, they're just weak because they haven't been challenged. Weak people create bad times. Bad times create strong people. Strong people create great times. So millennials and Zs are the next heroes.
And they're already starting it because they're starting to go through winter. We're not done with it. They're going to open up things up. I'm very excited about what the future will have. I'm very optimistic about it because studying history shows you patterns. There's no guarantees. But there's patterns. And when you understand the patterns, fear disappears.
And they're already starting it because they're starting to go through winter. We're not done with it. They're going to open up things up. I'm very excited about what the future will have. I'm very optimistic about it because studying history shows you patterns. There's no guarantees. But there's patterns. And when you understand the patterns, fear disappears.
Yeah, 46. So I'm 65. I can remember 46 so vividly, what it was going through. You know, you and I are different in lots of different ways, but there's certain patterns that are immutable. And so if I can help in some time for someone to say, hey, here's some opportunity, here's the challenge you can face, so you can anticipate the challenge.
Yeah, 46. So I'm 65. I can remember 46 so vividly, what it was going through. You know, you and I are different in lots of different ways, but there's certain patterns that are immutable. And so if I can help in some time for someone to say, hey, here's some opportunity, here's the challenge you can face, so you can anticipate the challenge.
then I can help you have a lot less suffering, a lot more joy, and that's my mission.
then I can help you have a lot less suffering, a lot more joy, and that's my mission.
It doesn't matter what business you're in. It doesn't matter what business you're in. But you have to become a business owner, not an operator. The death of most young entrepreneurs and even older entrepreneurs is you'd get in and then you hire the person who's most talented for the least amount of money, you. Then the next people you hire are not as skilled.
It doesn't matter what business you're in. It doesn't matter what business you're in. But you have to become a business owner, not an operator. The death of most young entrepreneurs and even older entrepreneurs is you'd get in and then you hire the person who's most talented for the least amount of money, you. Then the next people you hire are not as skilled.
And so you know you can do it better, so you end up doing everything. It's funny, yeah. I could not run 114 companies at the size and scope at $8 billion doing everything else that I do and be a father and be a human, but I became an owner. So as an owner, I'm strategic. There's a dozen I run real directly. The rest of them, I'm strategic. I come in and do the very thing you're doing.
And so you know you can do it better, so you end up doing everything. It's funny, yeah. I could not run 114 companies at the size and scope at $8 billion doing everything else that I do and be a father and be a human, but I became an owner. So as an owner, I'm strategic. There's a dozen I run real directly. The rest of them, I'm strategic. I come in and do the very thing you're doing.
Patrick, nice to have you. Of course. Thanks, buddy.
Patrick, nice to have you. Of course. Thanks, buddy.
I do my business mastery programs. It's like a boot camp for businesses twice a year. And I don't care. We got people in there with a billion-dollar business. We got people just getting started with the business. And we guarantee them they'll come back if in 18 months or less they don't at least grow their business 30% to 130%. And they all do it because the pattern is so simple.
I do my business mastery programs. It's like a boot camp for businesses twice a year. And I don't care. We got people in there with a billion-dollar business. We got people just getting started with the business. And we guarantee them they'll come back if in 18 months or less they don't at least grow their business 30% to 130%. And they all do it because the pattern is so simple.
On a big company or small company, there's still core patterns.
On a big company or small company, there's still core patterns.
All of the above. But 80% of success in life and in business is psychology, meaning the mindset and the emotion. You can get the answers if you have the right mindset. 20%, and it's a very important 20%, is the strategy. The right strategy can save you 10 years. So I'm a strategist.
All of the above. But 80% of success in life and in business is psychology, meaning the mindset and the emotion. You can get the answers if you have the right mindset. 20%, and it's a very important 20%, is the strategy. The right strategy can save you 10 years. So I'm a strategist.
But I always know I've got to make sure your psychology is strong enough first so that no matter what season we're in, you can do well.
But I always know I've got to make sure your psychology is strong enough first so that no matter what season we're in, you can do well.
No. I do believe we have nature that we're born with, and I look at lots of different patterns to understand what makes somebody tick, not just one. I use Chinese medicine as one to notice, is this person more water? Are they more wood? Each of those qualities, you're kind of born with certain things. If you're wood-driven, as an example, in Chinese medicine, you're a pioneer. You're driven.
No. I do believe we have nature that we're born with, and I look at lots of different patterns to understand what makes somebody tick, not just one. I use Chinese medicine as one to notice, is this person more water? Are they more wood? Each of those qualities, you're kind of born with certain things. If you're wood-driven, as an example, in Chinese medicine, you're a pioneer. You're driven.
You push. This would be a very strong one for you, for example. That wood person has got to grow. That wood person, they face challenges with more intensity. every one of these also under stress or in a negative state, their positives can become a negative. Those people get angry very easily if it doesn't move forward, right? Steve Jobs would be a perfect example of that, right?
You push. This would be a very strong one for you, for example. That wood person has got to grow. That wood person, they face challenges with more intensity. every one of these also under stress or in a negative state, their positives can become a negative. Those people get angry very easily if it doesn't move forward, right? Steve Jobs would be a perfect example of that, right?
It's like if you know Steve Jobs, he was brutal, right? But he was committed to the outcome, whatever it takes. If you get around somebody who's fire driven, this is somebody who's born where they're always joking. They're super optimistic, everything's funny. And some of you are irritated by them because they're cracking up about when they're talking about something serious, right?
It's like if you know Steve Jobs, he was brutal, right? But he was committed to the outcome, whatever it takes. If you get around somebody who's fire driven, this is somebody who's born where they're always joking. They're super optimistic, everything's funny. And some of you are irritated by them because they're cracking up about when they're talking about something serious, right?
But fires burn, they have this tremendous energy. But fires also, they burn out very quickly. If one of the things they have physiologically, because Chinese medicine treats everyone differently based on your constitution, right? Physiologically, if they don't eat, they get hangry. My wife has a fire, by the way, and I've got very strong wood and a lot of strong fire.
But fires burn, they have this tremendous energy. But fires also, they burn out very quickly. If one of the things they have physiologically, because Chinese medicine treats everyone differently based on your constitution, right? Physiologically, if they don't eat, they get hangry. My wife has a fire, by the way, and I've got very strong wood and a lot of strong fire.
So she has got this tremendous energy and excitement, but we don't go anywhere without food because we know what's going to happen, right? The sweetest person on earth is going to become crazy. If you're somebody more earth, you're more the person less extroverted, more, you know, you're the peacekeeper. What you care about is everybody getting along. You care about harmony and the community.
So she has got this tremendous energy and excitement, but we don't go anywhere without food because we know what's going to happen, right? The sweetest person on earth is going to become crazy. If you're somebody more earth, you're more the person less extroverted, more, you know, you're the peacekeeper. What you care about is everybody getting along. You care about harmony and the community.
My second strongest is actually earth because that's how I build communities. That's what I do. That's why I care as deep as I do. Then there's some people that are metals. By the way, these are based on the seasons. They just look at fall in two levels. They look at the beginning of fall, end of fall. Beginning is earth. The end is metals. And metals is someone who is very, very precise.
My second strongest is actually earth because that's how I build communities. That's what I do. That's why I care as deep as I do. Then there's some people that are metals. By the way, these are based on the seasons. They just look at fall in two levels. They look at the beginning of fall, end of fall. Beginning is earth. The end is metals. And metals is someone who is very, very precise.
Everything has to be a very specific way. They're very elegant in their delivery. They think things through very, very specifically. And the challenge for them is if it doesn't go exactly that way, they can get very frustrated and get a lot of grief in them.
Everything has to be a very specific way. They're very elegant in their delivery. They think things through very, very specifically. And the challenge for them is if it doesn't go exactly that way, they can get very frustrated and get a lot of grief in them.
And then there's water, water's like the philosopher, the person that they lose themself in things and they go off, and by the way, we have all these qualities, but it's which one's strongest in it, right? The water will, wants to know truth and they think it through and they'll, they lose themself. So just as an example, understanding those, just that's one typology, I use dozens, right?
And then there's water, water's like the philosopher, the person that they lose themself in things and they go off, and by the way, we have all these qualities, but it's which one's strongest in it, right? The water will, wants to know truth and they think it through and they'll, they lose themself. So just as an example, understanding those, just that's one typology, I use dozens, right?
That helps me know that, okay, in my life, my wife's fire. I know that this is my fire. She's going to burn this way. I don't get upset by it. I don't think she should be like me. If I got a son, which I do, that's more earth. He's not going to be as driven as me. I used to think he's got to have the same drive. Yes, he's unbelievable.
That helps me know that, okay, in my life, my wife's fire. I know that this is my fire. She's going to burn this way. I don't get upset by it. I don't think she should be like me. If I got a son, which I do, that's more earth. He's not going to be as driven as me. I used to think he's got to have the same drive. Yes, he's unbelievable.
You had a yellow tie on. Gold tie, yes. Gold tie, yes.
You had a yellow tie on. Gold tie, yes. Gold tie, yes.
He's got a heart of gold, and he works hard and does a great job. He's an unbelievable coach. You can say he's a sweet guy. He's sweet. He's got more earth. Right. He can fire off his wood, but it feels a little not natural for him. Sure, sure. And then I can look at my other son is fire. He's always cracking up. So each of my kids are differently as well.
He's got a heart of gold, and he works hard and does a great job. He's an unbelievable coach. You can say he's a sweet guy. He's sweet. He's got more earth. Right. He can fire off his wood, but it feels a little not natural for him. Sure, sure. And then I can look at my other son is fire. He's always cracking up. So each of my kids are differently as well.
I've got, in my life, you know, my wife couldn't carry. So we have a woman who'd been with us for 12 years, a dear, dear friend, traveled with us everywhere. Her name's Mary, and Mary's part of our family, and she carried our child, our latest child, because my wife couldn't carry. So we're a family. We didn't send her away. Yeah, she's our surrogate, but we kept her.
I've got, in my life, you know, my wife couldn't carry. So we have a woman who'd been with us for 12 years, a dear, dear friend, traveled with us everywhere. Her name's Mary, and Mary's part of our family, and she carried our child, our latest child, because my wife couldn't carry. So we're a family. We didn't send her away. Yeah, she's our surrogate, but we kept her.
So we even made her, if I die, if Sage Wave dies, that she also, that she's the person that ends up with our child. That's how deep it is. But she's very much a water person, Mary is. And so, like, if we want to go to a movie, And I'm going to a movie to escape. I want to go take off. Here's the time of the movie. Let's go, right? And then I'm like, where's Mary? She got caught up in something.
So we even made her, if I die, if Sage Wave dies, that she also, that she's the person that ends up with our child. That's how deep it is. But she's very much a water person, Mary is. And so, like, if we want to go to a movie, And I'm going to a movie to escape. I want to go take off. Here's the time of the movie. Let's go, right? And then I'm like, where's Mary? She got caught up in something.
And I used to get frustrated about it. Now I anticipate it. Mary's going to get lost, so I'm going to let her know it's 15 minutes earlier. I'm going to go find those reminders, and I'll get upset about it. So my point is, I could give you a dozen of these examples. This is only one example where understanding people's nature
And I used to get frustrated about it. Now I anticipate it. Mary's going to get lost, so I'm going to let her know it's 15 minutes earlier. I'm going to go find those reminders, and I'll get upset about it. So my point is, I could give you a dozen of these examples. This is only one example where understanding people's nature
is where now you can empower people the most, not making them be like you. That's the problem people do with their kids. You have how many kids? Four of them. Four kids. I know I'm sure you don't have a favorite kid, but do you have an easier kid? Do I have an easier kid?
is where now you can empower people the most, not making them be like you. That's the problem people do with their kids. You have how many kids? Four of them. Four kids. I know I'm sure you don't have a favorite kid, but do you have an easier kid? Do I have an easier kid?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes. Yes. The one that's most likely is usually the easiest to influence because you try to influence them the way it would influence you. If you clean your room, what worked for you, you'll do with that kid and he'll respond. The other one might say read between the lines or maybe he won't do that, but certainly not going to respond, right?
Yes. Yes. The one that's most likely is usually the easiest to influence because you try to influence them the way it would influence you. If you clean your room, what worked for you, you'll do with that kid and he'll respond. The other one might say read between the lines or maybe he won't do that, but certainly not going to respond, right?
I love that. No, I'm just suggesting that most people are good at influencing people that are like themselves. And that the more you understand how people are different, to influence another person, you have to know what already influences them. And so when you talked about these people that you're describing in salespeople, here's a question for you. Can you take a very non-social person and...
I love that. No, I'm just suggesting that most people are good at influencing people that are like themselves. And that the more you understand how people are different, to influence another person, you have to know what already influences them. And so when you talked about these people that you're describing in salespeople, here's a question for you. Can you take a very non-social person and...
Can they be a great salesperson? Could they do well in a sales job?
Can they be a great salesperson? Could they do well in a sales job?
You could probably do a 9 for a short period of time when they're really hungry and driven. But the second question is, will they do the job well long term? And the answer is no because it doesn't match their nature. That's right. If you take someone who's very super social and make them an accountant, can they do a good job? Yes. Will they do a good job long-term? Bored out of their minds.
You could probably do a 9 for a short period of time when they're really hungry and driven. But the second question is, will they do the job well long term? And the answer is no because it doesn't match their nature. That's right. If you take someone who's very super social and make them an accountant, can they do a good job? Yes. Will they do a good job long-term? Bored out of their minds.
They got to get out. They got to be around people. So you have to match the nature to the person as opposed to saying, this is the wrong person. You've got people you've brought in that maybe you didn't recognize the patterns yet of who are the best. I, one of the ways we do it in salespeople and all my companies, I learned this from a partner I had years ago who passed away. We, we,
They got to get out. They got to be around people. So you have to match the nature to the person as opposed to saying, this is the wrong person. You've got people you've brought in that maybe you didn't recognize the patterns yet of who are the best. I, one of the ways we do it in salespeople and all my companies, I learned this from a partner I had years ago who passed away. We, we,
We know that we need somebody in that position. I want someone in that position that cares, that connects with people. But if they care so much, sometimes they just accept limitations. If I accept your limitations, then there's no growth for you, right? A sale's always made. Either I persuade you what's possible, you persuade me what's not. Sure, yeah.
We know that we need somebody in that position. I want someone in that position that cares, that connects with people. But if they care so much, sometimes they just accept limitations. If I accept your limitations, then there's no growth for you, right? A sale's always made. Either I persuade you what's possible, you persuade me what's not. Sure, yeah.
So you need someone with ego strength who can take rejection. So what we do in our companies, we have a standard process. We put out an ad, let's say, that says looking for the very best influencers, top of the line, world class, nothing less, great opportunities, great economics. Call only if you're world class. And then they call and they say, I'm calling for this job.
So you need someone with ego strength who can take rejection. So what we do in our companies, we have a standard process. We put out an ad, let's say, that says looking for the very best influencers, top of the line, world class, nothing less, great opportunities, great economics. Call only if you're world class. And then they call and they say, I'm calling for this job.
And they talk for a few seconds and we say, oh, yeah? Well, you don't sound world-class to me. The person says, well, can you tell me about the job? No, tell me about you. And within a few seconds, we usually hang up the phone. Now, we do that with everyone, even the most talented people. Why?
And they talk for a few seconds and we say, oh, yeah? Well, you don't sound world-class to me. The person says, well, can you tell me about the job? No, tell me about you. And within a few seconds, we usually hang up the phone. Now, we do that with everyone, even the most talented people. Why?
Because we're working for the guy that calls back, you know, and he'll say, oh, you know, it must've been a bad connection. You disconnected from me. We said, no, we just weren't getting it. And we'll hang up again. The person will come three times and we'll use humor or connection or break our pattern. That's the person we now take to an interview.
Because we're working for the guy that calls back, you know, and he'll say, oh, you know, it must've been a bad connection. You disconnected from me. We said, no, we just weren't getting it. And we'll hang up again. The person will come three times and we'll use humor or connection or break our pattern. That's the person we now take to an interview.
When we do the interviews, we do the same things. You get rejected so many times going through our process that only the absolute strongest ego's there, but we're also looking for the strongest caring. So we look for someone, I think of it this way. Good people are found and then trained. not just trained for a particular position. It's different for everybody based on their nature.
When we do the interviews, we do the same things. You get rejected so many times going through our process that only the absolute strongest ego's there, but we're also looking for the strongest caring. So we look for someone, I think of it this way. Good people are found and then trained. not just trained for a particular position. It's different for everybody based on their nature.
Well, it happened at a much earlier age, but it also happened because I looked at somebody who had taken a company. I've known this person for more than 10 years. Wanted to do business with them. And he worked with a large network marketing company at the time. He took them from losing a million dollars a day to making 1.6 billion in EBITDA. So the track record is pretty- 1.6 in EBITDA? In EBITDA.
Well, it happened at a much earlier age, but it also happened because I looked at somebody who had taken a company. I've known this person for more than 10 years. Wanted to do business with them. And he worked with a large network marketing company at the time. He took them from losing a million dollars a day to making 1.6 billion in EBITDA. So the track record is pretty- 1.6 in EBITDA? In EBITDA.
And I won't tell you the company, Amway. And so they were losing money. He turned them around. His name is Bill. And Bill always wanted to do business with me, but he'd been there for a long time. And then one day, you know, he had had a meeting and the founders weren't involved and the kids were involved.
And I won't tell you the company, Amway. And so they were losing money. He turned them around. His name is Bill. And Bill always wanted to do business with me, but he'd been there for a long time. And then one day, you know, he had had a meeting and the founders weren't involved and the kids were involved.
And the kids were in a situation where he wanted them in Grand Rapids, Michigan with their base, you know, take on and help sponsor this, you know, the center for kids that were left behind. And you only want a million dollars from each and they all have more money than they could ever dream of. And they all turned him down and they all bought brand new Gulfstreams, each of them.
And the kids were in a situation where he wanted them in Grand Rapids, Michigan with their base, you know, take on and help sponsor this, you know, the center for kids that were left behind. And you only want a million dollars from each and they all have more money than they could ever dream of. And they all turned him down and they all bought brand new Gulfstreams, each of them.
And it pushed him over the edge and goes, Tony, I'm out of here. I'm leaving. I'm going to come join you. So we came. We're going to form a company and go overseas and do this. And then he didn't call me for three weeks after this. And John Paul DeGioia, if you know Paul Mitchell hair care or if you know Patron Tequila, multibillionaire, he was my partner as well in doing this.
And it pushed him over the edge and goes, Tony, I'm out of here. I'm leaving. I'm going to come join you. So we came. We're going to form a company and go overseas and do this. And then he didn't call me for three weeks after this. And John Paul DeGioia, if you know Paul Mitchell hair care or if you know Patron Tequila, multibillionaire, he was my partner as well in doing this.
So anyway, the two of them come to Fiji. We have a meeting. We agree. Then he doesn't talk to me for three weeks. I'm like, well, something's wrong. He finally calls me up and says, Tony, I don't know what to do. And I went to the board meeting and said, I shouldn't participate in this board meeting. I'm going to go off with Tony Robbins, start this business.
So anyway, the two of them come to Fiji. We have a meeting. We agree. Then he doesn't talk to me for three weeks. I'm like, well, something's wrong. He finally calls me up and says, Tony, I don't know what to do. And I went to the board meeting and said, I shouldn't participate in this board meeting. I'm going to go off with Tony Robbins, start this business.
And one of the founders of Amway who's since passed, I got him and there was no zoom in those days, got a satellite link. He was having a heart transplant and said, you're going to leave me in this situation. He didn't like the kids. He loved the founders. He goes, I don't know what to do. I said, brother, you've got to stay there. I mean, I'm disappointed. Obviously, we've got to stay.
And one of the founders of Amway who's since passed, I got him and there was no zoom in those days, got a satellite link. He was having a heart transplant and said, you're going to leave me in this situation. He didn't like the kids. He loved the founders. He goes, I don't know what to do. I said, brother, you've got to stay there. I mean, I'm disappointed. Obviously, we've got to stay.
He goes, it's not fair to you. I said, it doesn't matter if it's not fair. You've got to stay there. And so then he said, well, when the founder dies, we can become partners. I said, oh, great. I'm going to root for the founder to die to make this happen.
He goes, it's not fair to you. I said, it doesn't matter if it's not fair. You've got to stay there. And so then he said, well, when the founder dies, we can become partners. I said, oh, great. I'm going to root for the founder to die to make this happen.
So long story shortened, he finally came to me and said he's still alive, but if we take one of his kids, we can be partnered with them, not in network marketing. We can build this set of nutritional companies together, and we'll have – a billion six worth of resources here to help make that happen.
So long story shortened, he finally came to me and said he's still alive, but if we take one of his kids, we can be partnered with them, not in network marketing. We can build this set of nutritional companies together, and we'll have – a billion six worth of resources here to help make that happen.
But what I didn't know is that the co-founder, one of the children there, we thought he was a billionaire. He represented himself a billionaire and signed the deal. He had not inherited any money at that point. He only had $5 million to his name. And we went and purchased Twin Labs and several other companies. And then what happened was overnight, Twin Labs had a lawsuit, several things occurred.
But what I didn't know is that the co-founder, one of the children there, we thought he was a billionaire. He represented himself a billionaire and signed the deal. He had not inherited any money at that point. He only had $5 million to his name. And we went and purchased Twin Labs and several other companies. And then what happened was overnight, Twin Labs had a lawsuit, several things occurred.
And we found out these guys had no resources whatsoever from Amway. And so I had to figure out what to do, how to turn things around, because you've signed a deal called joint and several. You probably know what that means. Back then, I didn't know that meant that I'm not on for one fourth of this. I'm on the hit for all of it if I have the most money, and I did. So I went through that process.
And we found out these guys had no resources whatsoever from Amway. And so I had to figure out what to do, how to turn things around, because you've signed a deal called joint and several. You probably know what that means. Back then, I didn't know that meant that I'm not on for one fourth of this. I'm on the hit for all of it if I have the most money, and I did. So I went through that process.
But guess what? The way you become great in life and in business is by crossing the threshold of your comfort zones, right? I mean, think of it as there's a threshold of control. When you're young, your threshold control is I can handle anything within this circle of influence. But as out here, it's kind of tough.
But guess what? The way you become great in life and in business is by crossing the threshold of your comfort zones, right? I mean, think of it as there's a threshold of control. When you're young, your threshold control is I can handle anything within this circle of influence. But as out here, it's kind of tough.
But if you get enough challenges, hopefully you break through and you solve all those problems and now all these problems are solved. That's how you grow, right? So I had to solve a $50,000 problem one time to stay in business or go bankrupt. Now I got to solve $125 million process. And it made me grow.
But if you get enough challenges, hopefully you break through and you solve all those problems and now all these problems are solved. That's how you grow, right? So I had to solve a $50,000 problem one time to stay in business or go bankrupt. Now I got to solve $125 million process. And it made me grow.
That's how you get to multi-billions, because you learn how to deal with thousands and hundreds of thousands and millions and tens of millions and hundreds of millions. So it was one of the most valuable experiences of my life. I never made the mistake again. Joined several mistakes. And also, you can't bet on one of your partners. You've got to know who all your partners are.
That's how you get to multi-billions, because you learn how to deal with thousands and hundreds of thousands and millions and tens of millions and hundreds of millions. So it was one of the most valuable experiences of my life. I never made the mistake again. Joined several mistakes. And also, you can't bet on one of your partners. You've got to know who all your partners are.
So every experience I've ever had, I found was...
So every experience I've ever had, I found was...
Private investigator on every single person I go do business with, if I want to do a partnership with on every aspect of their life, and I offer them to do the same with me. So it's clear who we are and who we're dealing with. That's number one. Are you serious? I'm dead serious. I got multi-billion dollar enterprise. And you tell me.
Private investigator on every single person I go do business with, if I want to do a partnership with on every aspect of their life, and I offer them to do the same with me. So it's clear who we are and who we're dealing with. That's number one. Are you serious? I'm dead serious. I got multi-billion dollar enterprise. And you tell me.
And by the way, whatever the PI brings back, I bring it to you and say. Oh, I love that. I bring it to you and say, this may be bullshit. This is what they found. This is sick. Tell me what you think. And so that has saved me so.
And by the way, whatever the PI brings back, I bring it to you and say. Oh, I love that. I bring it to you and say, this may be bullshit. This is what they found. This is sick. Tell me what you think. And so that has saved me so.
But it tells a little about your personality too, right? But the same thing that they did with you is what I do is like, I bring it to you. I don't judge you. I say, look, this is what they found. If there's anything that's BS here, let's talk about it.
But it tells a little about your personality too, right? But the same thing that they did with you is what I do is like, I bring it to you. I don't judge you. I say, look, this is what they found. If there's anything that's BS here, let's talk about it.
We tell them beforehand, are you open for it? Because it's what we'd like to do. If there's something you want to tell us, tell us now. And if something comes up, we're happy to chat with you about it.
We tell them beforehand, are you open for it? Because it's what we'd like to do. If there's something you want to tell us, tell us now. And if something comes up, we're happy to chat with you about it.
It depends on the depth that you're going to go, right? So it depends on the person.
It depends on the depth that you're going to go, right? So it depends on the person.
More importantly, it'll save you years. You can get back the money. You can't get back the time.
More importantly, it'll save you years. You can get back the money. You can't get back the time.
And as long as you're willing to do it too. You can do it on me too, right? No problem. Go for it.
And as long as you're willing to do it too. You can do it on me too, right? No problem. Go for it.
That's very kind. That's wonderful. I'm so glad I touched you so much. Well, it looks like you made the right choice on the insurance because you did quite well selling your business. That's awesome.
That's very kind. That's wonderful. I'm so glad I touched you so much. Well, it looks like you made the right choice on the insurance because you did quite well selling your business. That's awesome.
The story you told is not a complete story. What's missing is the time which they've been looking for him. His mother's not spoken to him in almost a year and a half. They've been trying to find him. The injury that he had. Also, what he was like in college. What actually happened after he went to prep school to college. Where he became radicalized. It's very obvious, right? He hated capitalism.
The story you told is not a complete story. What's missing is the time which they've been looking for him. His mother's not spoken to him in almost a year and a half. They've been trying to find him. The injury that he had. Also, what he was like in college. What actually happened after he went to prep school to college. Where he became radicalized. It's very obvious, right? He hated capitalism.
He was able to hate capitalism. Think about this. Because he never went through the process of having to earn. Everything was given to him. So... he had everything he could ever dream of. So capitalism looks ugly to someone who's never trying to do it. There's these levels of spiritual development that you may be familiar with that Dr. Graves created back in the 60s.
He was able to hate capitalism. Think about this. Because he never went through the process of having to earn. Everything was given to him. So... he had everything he could ever dream of. So capitalism looks ugly to someone who's never trying to do it. There's these levels of spiritual development that you may be familiar with that Dr. Graves created back in the 60s.
When it looked like the world was coming apart, he actually saw a pattern in humanity as a whole. And he saw a pattern in our evolution of our spiritual development, not religious development, but spiritual development. And he saw it as an evolution of caring. Like we all start out caring about ourselves.
When it looked like the world was coming apart, he actually saw a pattern in humanity as a whole. And he saw a pattern in our evolution of our spiritual development, not religious development, but spiritual development. And he saw it as an evolution of caring. Like we all start out caring about ourselves.
You say as a baby loving, as long as you give them what they want, otherwise they scream, right? So there's these stages and they develop colors. I learned this from Nelson Mandela. It was one of the things they used to turn South Africa around so they wouldn't look at somebody and go, they're a white person. No, are they red? Are they blue? Are they at these color combinations?
You say as a baby loving, as long as you give them what they want, otherwise they scream, right? So there's these stages and they develop colors. I learned this from Nelson Mandela. It was one of the things they used to turn South Africa around so they wouldn't look at somebody and go, they're a white person. No, are they red? Are they blue? Are they at these color combinations?
Because there were technical words for them. But I'll just give you an example. Survival is beige. It's like your stimulus response. That's not most humans, right? The first stage of development is purple. Purple is tribal. Tribal is like you look for protection from the tribe. There's many gods and they're very intense and you gotta make sure you honor them.
Because there were technical words for them. But I'll just give you an example. Survival is beige. It's like your stimulus response. That's not most humans, right? The first stage of development is purple. Purple is tribal. Tribal is like you look for protection from the tribe. There's many gods and they're very intense and you gotta make sure you honor them.
Think of what a tribal environment is. But there are tribal environments in sports where guys wear the same socks or jockstrap when they're on a run to keep it on going. They're thinking that there's this thing I've got to do to be able to keep this magic, right? The next level is we evolve as we exhaust a level.
Think of what a tribal environment is. But there are tribal environments in sports where guys wear the same socks or jockstrap when they're on a run to keep it on going. They're thinking that there's this thing I've got to do to be able to keep this magic, right? The next level is we evolve as we exhaust a level.
So above purple is now red, where you're like, I don't want to just be in a position where other people tell me what to do. I'm the god. I'm the king. I'm going to make it happen. That's the warlord. That's the rock star that tears up the hotel because he can, and people come pay everybody off, right? That's a two-year-old, the terrible twos, where it's like, no, I'm in charge.
So above purple is now red, where you're like, I don't want to just be in a position where other people tell me what to do. I'm the god. I'm the king. I'm going to make it happen. That's the warlord. That's the rock star that tears up the hotel because he can, and people come pay everybody off, right? That's a two-year-old, the terrible twos, where it's like, no, I'm in charge.
This is how it's going to be. We all develop these stages. Past red, why do we leave red? Well, the warrior eventually finds there might be a bigger warrior, a more intense warrior. They're getting older. And how can I have significance in my life, the thing I want, Well, I need to have significance they have her after. So we go to blue. Blue is right, wrong, good, bad, religious, or the army.
This is how it's going to be. We all develop these stages. Past red, why do we leave red? Well, the warrior eventually finds there might be a bigger warrior, a more intense warrior. They're getting older. And how can I have significance in my life, the thing I want, Well, I need to have significance they have her after. So we go to blue. Blue is right, wrong, good, bad, religious, or the army.
The rules are very clear. You do this and this and this, you get a gold star. This and this, this, you go to heaven. You do this, you go to hell. It's very black and white. And people that live in that consciousness make all decisions like this. And you'll begin to recognize these. People evolve out of blue eventually because they're like, you know, I'm tired of someone else telling me how it is.
The rules are very clear. You do this and this and this, you get a gold star. This and this, this, you go to heaven. You do this, you go to hell. It's very black and white. And people that live in that consciousness make all decisions like this. And you'll begin to recognize these. People evolve out of blue eventually because they're like, you know, I'm tired of someone else telling me how it is.
I don't know the Pope is going to tell me. I want to test it. You move to orange. That's science. That's business. That's where you say, I'm going to test it and figure out what's right. Orange people say, you know what? It's not a hierarchy someone else telling me. I'm going to test and find what really works. That's science and business. That's most of middle business America. There's green.
I don't know the Pope is going to tell me. I want to test it. You move to orange. That's science. That's business. That's where you say, I'm going to test it and figure out what's right. Orange people say, you know what? It's not a hierarchy someone else telling me. I'm going to test and find what really works. That's science and business. That's most of middle business America. There's green.
Green is somebody that now says, no, the most important thing is not hierarchy. Like orange, you get hierarchy by performance. That would be like your businesses. Green is no, we're a circle. It's egalitarian. Everything's equal. We make the decision to the same. We're all together. Yeah. Well, it's socialism at its extreme, but it can just be people that are socially conscious, right?
Green is somebody that now says, no, the most important thing is not hierarchy. Like orange, you get hierarchy by performance. That would be like your businesses. Green is no, we're a circle. It's egalitarian. Everything's equal. We make the decision to the same. We're all together. Yeah. Well, it's socialism at its extreme, but it can just be people that are socially conscious, right?
Who care, who they're loving. Each level of consciousness eventually bumps into its limits. Then there's yellow, where yellow is, I can use all these levels, depending upon what I need.
Who care, who they're loving. Each level of consciousness eventually bumps into its limits. Then there's yellow, where yellow is, I can use all these levels, depending upon what I need.
Yes.
Yes.
Fair, everything equal, civil, right.
Fair, everything equal, civil, right.
Yellow is where you're an integrator, where you think, because if I asked you which one of these is most important, Green people say green's most important. Orange people say green people can't get anything done because they try to make a decision with a circle. We're most important. Blue people say we know the rules. You guys are violating God.
Yellow is where you're an integrator, where you think, because if I asked you which one of these is most important, Green people say green's most important. Orange people say green people can't get anything done because they try to make a decision with a circle. We're most important. Blue people say we know the rules. You guys are violating God.
So when you understand these distinctions, and I'm doing very fast right now. Where's the goal to be, though? Where do you want to be? Your goal should be able to integrate them all. There's an ultimate level above that, which they call turquoise, which is where you feel everything, every creature, every human. Think of it this way. We evolved from focusing on ourselves.
So when you understand these distinctions, and I'm doing very fast right now. Where's the goal to be, though? Where do you want to be? Your goal should be able to integrate them all. There's an ultimate level above that, which they call turquoise, which is where you feel everything, every creature, every human. Think of it this way. We evolved from focusing on ourselves.
to eventually, we're ethnocentric, we care about our circle. On the block, you can't just get what you want, now you gotta please the other kids to get along, right? Or other Christians, or other Jews, or other Muslims, or whatever it is. Then we evolved to, no, everyone's our customer, and we're gonna please everybody, orange. We evolved to green as we're all equal, right? We're all the same.
to eventually, we're ethnocentric, we care about our circle. On the block, you can't just get what you want, now you gotta please the other kids to get along, right? Or other Christians, or other Jews, or other Muslims, or whatever it is. Then we evolved to, no, everyone's our customer, and we're gonna please everybody, orange. We evolved to green as we're all equal, right? We're all the same.
When someone is at this yellow stage, they go, well, each of these have their place. Sometimes blue is the right thing. If we're in a fire and I'm in a room of 20,000 people, I'm probably going to go red to direct, get people the hell out of the building. If I'm going to go be with a friend, I'm going to be green. I'm not going to be orange negotiating. You do this, I'll do that.
When someone is at this yellow stage, they go, well, each of these have their place. Sometimes blue is the right thing. If we're in a fire and I'm in a room of 20,000 people, I'm probably going to go red to direct, get people the hell out of the building. If I'm going to go be with a friend, I'm going to be green. I'm not going to be orange negotiating. You do this, I'll do that.
That's not a friendship. So being able to flex these helps you. And you also understand why people get in conflicts then. Because you got somebody whose whole consciousness is we're all going to be the same, and someone else is like, without hierarchy, there's no biology. Like, what's more important, the atom or the cell? Which one?
That's not a friendship. So being able to flex these helps you. And you also understand why people get in conflicts then. Because you got somebody whose whole consciousness is we're all going to be the same, and someone else is like, without hierarchy, there's no biology. Like, what's more important, the atom or the cell? Which one?
The organ or the individual?
The organ or the individual?
The individual or the community?
The individual or the community?
The community or the planet?
The community or the planet?
The truth is. You're using your evaluations of them, but the truth is if you take any chain out of the middle of this, it all doesn't exist.
The truth is. You're using your evaluations of them, but the truth is if you take any chain out of the middle of this, it all doesn't exist.
Here's where this is useful. If I'm talking with you and you keep going, this is right or wrong. I was just doing this seminar the other day and this person's like, this is right, that's wrong, this is how it is. All this tension, I can see they're in blue. If they've ever been to a higher level, maybe I can get them there.
Here's where this is useful. If I'm talking with you and you keep going, this is right or wrong. I was just doing this seminar the other day and this person's like, this is right, that's wrong, this is how it is. All this tension, I can see they're in blue. If they've ever been to a higher level, maybe I can get them there.
But I'm not going to get them there by saying, kumbaya, let's all be green. They're not going to respond to it. They know what's right and what's wrong. When you know where people are, that's when you're able to start. Listen, what makes you a leader?
But I'm not going to get them there by saying, kumbaya, let's all be green. They're not going to respond to it. They know what's right and what's wrong. When you know where people are, that's when you're able to start. Listen, what makes you a leader?
The ability to influence the thoughts, the feelings, the emotions, the actions of another person, ideally with integrity if you're going to be a positive leader, right? You can only do that if you understand to influence somebody, you got to know what already influences them.
The ability to influence the thoughts, the feelings, the emotions, the actions of another person, ideally with integrity if you're going to be a positive leader, right? You can only do that if you understand to influence somebody, you got to know what already influences them.
And so I'm studying all the things that influence them, what they value, what they need, what their fears are, what their strengths are, so that I can help them continue to grow in what they want for their life, not what I think they should have for their life.
And so I'm studying all the things that influence them, what they value, what they need, what their fears are, what their strengths are, so that I can help them continue to grow in what they want for their life, not what I think they should have for their life.
That's a great book. But what I want to tell you with him, for example, is to think about this.
That's a great book. But what I want to tell you with him, for example, is to think about this.
But here's what I want you to understand. He grew up in an orange environment. Can you go back to that? Orange is fatherless achievement. Grandfather sent a millionaire. He didn't have to earn it.
But here's what I want you to understand. He grew up in an orange environment. Can you go back to that? Orange is fatherless achievement. Grandfather sent a millionaire. He didn't have to earn it.
So he never went through the stages of blue and orange. He got to go straight to green, which is everything's equal. This is unfair. And by the way, green, when it's not, imagine this. You can go to purple and feel everything. But you won't stay there unless you have a foundation. It's a momentary state. So here's where he is. He never built the orange. He took it for granted. So he goes to green.
So he never went through the stages of blue and orange. He got to go straight to green, which is everything's equal. This is unfair. And by the way, green, when it's not, imagine this. You can go to purple and feel everything. But you won't stay there unless you have a foundation. It's a momentary state. So here's where he is. He never built the orange. He took it for granted. So he goes to green.
And by the way, he never really got over his red.
And by the way, he never really got over his red.
Well, think of it this way. If you thought about Vietnam, there were a lot of people that were saying, I'm not going overseas. But the ones that shot people, burned down buildings, they were red pretending they were green. Because green is socially acceptable. This kid, there are a lot of people in green that are celebrating this kid killing people. They're red. Their psychology is red.
Well, think of it this way. If you thought about Vietnam, there were a lot of people that were saying, I'm not going overseas. But the ones that shot people, burned down buildings, they were red pretending they were green. Because green is socially acceptable. This kid, there are a lot of people in green that are celebrating this kid killing people. They're red. Their psychology is red.
They're pretending they're egalitarian, but they really are. I want what I want. I want it. Wow. But it's socially acceptable. It's the same way that people do.
They're pretending they're egalitarian, but they really are. I want what I want. I want it. Wow. But it's socially acceptable. It's the same way that people do.
Is that what it is? Game culture or a two year old. Same thing. Or a rock star. Somebody it's like it's my way or the highway. I get what I want, whether it serves you or not. So those red people say, oh, you know, the company turned out, yeah, the company may have done some terrible things. I don't know the absolute numbers. I know all the details. I don't think anybody really does.
Is that what it is? Game culture or a two year old. Same thing. Or a rock star. Somebody it's like it's my way or the highway. I get what I want, whether it serves you or not. So those red people say, oh, you know, the company turned out, yeah, the company may have done some terrible things. I don't know the absolute numbers. I know all the details. I don't think anybody really does.
But then you address that in a different way. That's what a court system's for. That's what legislation's for. That's what options are for of those natures. But this person actually, just cold-blooded murder guy, who has children and kids, and he's being celebrated by people. And by the way, the guy that actually was trying to save people's lives on the subway was treated like he was a criminal.
But then you address that in a different way. That's what a court system's for. That's what legislation's for. That's what options are for of those natures. But this person actually, just cold-blooded murder guy, who has children and kids, and he's being celebrated by people. And by the way, the guy that actually was trying to save people's lives on the subway was treated like he was a criminal.
That's how crazy our society's become, but I think it's balancing out. It sure feels like it.
That's how crazy our society's become, but I think it's balancing out. It sure feels like it.
Yeah, well, it depends on whether or not they're wanting help at that stage. Mike is an example. I was called in with Mike when he bit off all of his ear. And they brought me in to make sure he didn't do it again. And Mike was a fan of my work, but thought I was here to help his wife at the time. So I tease him about it.
Yeah, well, it depends on whether or not they're wanting help at that stage. Mike is an example. I was called in with Mike when he bit off all of his ear. And they brought me in to make sure he didn't do it again. And Mike was a fan of my work, but thought I was here to help his wife at the time. So I tease him about it.
So I've been put in really interesting situations throughout my life where I'm there. But the answer to the question is people have a nature. And the best you can is to help them to maximize their nature. Didier brought me in at one point years ago. It was one night. I went down, saw him. It was one of his big parties, one of those about to start.
So I've been put in really interesting situations throughout my life where I'm there. But the answer to the question is people have a nature. And the best you can is to help them to maximize their nature. Didier brought me in at one point years ago. It was one night. I went down, saw him. It was one of his big parties, one of those about to start.
And he was telling me all the things that he was frustrated with. Because you remember, this guy has been driven. We have different needs. It's another typology. We need certainty. We need uncertainty, variety, or we don't feel alive. Too much certainty, you're bored. Too much uncertainty, you freak out. We need to feel significant, like we matter, like we're important to somebody.
And he was telling me all the things that he was frustrated with. Because you remember, this guy has been driven. We have different needs. It's another typology. We need certainty. We need uncertainty, variety, or we don't feel alive. Too much certainty, you're bored. Too much uncertainty, you freak out. We need to feel significant, like we matter, like we're important to somebody.
We need to feel the feelings of love and connection. We need to grow. We need to contribute. These six needs. But we're not all equal. Some people value certainty the most, and they live a very different life than somebody who wants variety. They're going to jump out of a plane. This person's never going to jump out of a plane, right?
We need to feel the feelings of love and connection. We need to grow. We need to contribute. These six needs. But we're not all equal. Some people value certainty the most, and they live a very different life than somebody who wants variety. They're going to jump out of a plane. This person's never going to jump out of a plane, right?
The most valued, the top two in our culture today are significance and certainty because of social media. Trying to be significant even if you're not, change your pictures, change your story. That's why young girls get on there and they have this comparison of something that's completely false and they get depressed because it's not real.
The most valued, the top two in our culture today are significance and certainty because of social media. Trying to be significant even if you're not, change your pictures, change your story. That's why young girls get on there and they have this comparison of something that's completely false and they get depressed because it's not real.
Well, Diddy, when you're driven by, everyone needs significance, but when it's at the top of your list, you either have to lie to yourself or have to push yourself at unbelievably intense levels because you're always comparing. If love is your driving force, you're always connecting. If certainty is driving force, you're trying to keep things the same, which of course life isn't the same.
Well, Diddy, when you're driven by, everyone needs significance, but when it's at the top of your list, you either have to lie to yourself or have to push yourself at unbelievably intense levels because you're always comparing. If love is your driving force, you're always connecting. If certainty is driving force, you're trying to keep things the same, which of course life isn't the same.
Significance because the social media has become the number one drive, not only in men, it usually is for men because testosterone drives that. but also for women as well. And then we want certainty. Well, the only thing that's certain is change, right? You know, that's how it works.
Significance because the social media has become the number one drive, not only in men, it usually is for men because testosterone drives that. but also for women as well. And then we want certainty. Well, the only thing that's certain is change, right? You know, that's how it works.
So most people are really unhappy today because they either have to lie to themselves or they have to admit and keep around themselves people they feel more significant than those people so they can feel important. Well, Diddy created all these businesses. He's an unbelievably talented musician and very good businessman.
So most people are really unhappy today because they either have to lie to themselves or they have to admit and keep around themselves people they feel more significant than those people so they can feel important. Well, Diddy created all these businesses. He's an unbelievably talented musician and very good businessman.
He created all this stuff, but he wanted to be the most significant, and his businesses were starting to get down, and he had so many businesses. So I came in and tried to show him that regardless of your business, you're going to be miserable as long as this is overvalued. Of course you want to be significant. You are significant.
He created all this stuff, but he wanted to be the most significant, and his businesses were starting to get down, and he had so many businesses. So I came in and tried to show him that regardless of your business, you're going to be miserable as long as this is overvalued. Of course you want to be significant. You are significant.
But demanding significance is different than becoming significant because you've contributed massively to a human being or because someone feels your love. When someone feels completely loved by you and respected by you, you tend to become significant in their life in some way, right? So it's like he wants to hit this target. He really wants to be loved.
But demanding significance is different than becoming significant because you've contributed massively to a human being or because someone feels your love. When someone feels completely loved by you and respected by you, you tend to become significant in their life in some way, right? So it's like he wants to hit this target. He really wants to be loved.
But like a lot of very famous people, this is the number one thing I hear in famous people, You know, I won the Academy Award, I did this whole stuff, and now they're so unhappy behind closed doors. And the conversations we have is they really wanted love, but they thought if I'm significant enough, I'll be loved. But now everybody wants something from you.
But like a lot of very famous people, this is the number one thing I hear in famous people, You know, I won the Academy Award, I did this whole stuff, and now they're so unhappy behind closed doors. And the conversations we have is they really wanted love, but they thought if I'm significant enough, I'll be loved. But now everybody wants something from you.
I'm sure you experience this, I do as well, but I expect it, it's not a big deal. I love giving people what they want as much as I possibly can. If someone wants a picture, someone wants a conversation, I'm happy to do it, right? But when you're with your family, these people would say, am I with my family? The people interrupt our dinner and they come up and they just want what they want.
I'm sure you experience this, I do as well, but I expect it, it's not a big deal. I love giving people what they want as much as I possibly can. If someone wants a picture, someone wants a conversation, I'm happy to do it, right? But when you're with your family, these people would say, am I with my family? The people interrupt our dinner and they come up and they just want what they want.
They don't care. They don't even know who I am. Well, they thought by being significant, they get love. But by significant, they're just getting more demands and requests. And it makes them miserable. That's where he was at that stage. And I said to him, this is the things you'd have to make a change to do. I said, but I don't work with somebody that's not committed. So this is what it require.
They don't care. They don't even know who I am. Well, they thought by being significant, they get love. But by significant, they're just getting more demands and requests. And it makes them miserable. That's where he was at that stage. And I said to him, this is the things you'd have to make a change to do. I said, but I don't work with somebody that's not committed. So this is what it require.
And he didn't do the things he said he would do. So I didn't take him on as a client. Now, if I took him on a client and then I found this out afterwards, the truth is I probably would have found out because it wasn't a hidden situation for anybody that was around him. So the answer to your question is it depends on where they are and what they need. I'm there to try to help wherever I am.
And he didn't do the things he said he would do. So I didn't take him on as a client. Now, if I took him on a client and then I found this out afterwards, the truth is I probably would have found out because it wasn't a hidden situation for anybody that was around him. So the answer to your question is it depends on where they are and what they need. I'm there to try to help wherever I am.
I'm not there to try and take responsibility for everything the person will ever do in their life. For sure.
I'm not there to try and take responsibility for everything the person will ever do in their life. For sure.
But the media might try to do that, but that's the media. Like they did that to Mike. I mean, it's absurd.
But the media might try to do that, but that's the media. Like they did that to Mike. I mean, it's absurd.
Because that's different, right? That's a business. Yes, very, very different. One was personal and the other was business. But Kanye, you know, Kanye is a very unique human being, to say the least. And the two of them have similar needs to be, you know, to do to be the best at what they are. Did he or Kanye and Kim? Yes, I understand. Okay. But I'm just saying they have similar need structures.
Because that's different, right? That's a business. Yes, very, very different. One was personal and the other was business. But Kanye, you know, Kanye is a very unique human being, to say the least. And the two of them have similar needs to be, you know, to do to be the best at what they are. Did he or Kanye and Kim? Yes, I understand. Okay. But I'm just saying they have similar need structures.
Right. But they have different ways of meeting them. So you can become significant. Think about this. By working hard on anybody else and building the tallest building in town. Or you can blow up everybody else's building. It doesn't take a lot of intelligence. And now you have the tallest building. You're the significant one. You can tear other people down.
Right. But they have different ways of meeting them. So you can become significant. Think about this. By working hard on anybody else and building the tallest building in town. Or you can blow up everybody else's building. It doesn't take a lot of intelligence. And now you have the tallest building. You're the significant one. You can tear other people down.
Everyone meets their needs in different ways. So... Osama bin Laden and the policemen and firemen that gave up their lives, many of them on 9-11. They ran in the building knowing they could die. Why would they do that? Because their life was about service, contribution, and significance. But their rule to be significant was to be a hero.
Everyone meets their needs in different ways. So... Osama bin Laden and the policemen and firemen that gave up their lives, many of them on 9-11. They ran in the building knowing they could die. Why would they do that? Because their life was about service, contribution, and significance. But their rule to be significant was to be a hero.
I'd be willing to sacrifice my life for a stranger to save a life. You look at a man that was one of, what, 25 children? I'm making the number up. I think it was 20 children that Osama bin Laden was one of 20 children. To get his father's attention was very, very difficult. He became significant overnight when he took his father's wealth, and he didn't do any battles.
I'd be willing to sacrifice my life for a stranger to save a life. You look at a man that was one of, what, 25 children? I'm making the number up. I think it was 20 children that Osama bin Laden was one of 20 children. To get his father's attention was very, very difficult. He became significant overnight when he took his father's wealth, and he didn't do any battles.
Well, when I look at people's lives and I say, what makes people successful? I love wickedly smart people. I love intelligence. But you and I both know there are a lot of very smart people that can't fight their way out of a paper bag. That is true. What I found is, in my own experience, is the number one ingredient is hunger.
Well, when I look at people's lives and I say, what makes people successful? I love wickedly smart people. I love intelligence. But you and I both know there are a lot of very smart people that can't fight their way out of a paper bag. That is true. What I found is, in my own experience, is the number one ingredient is hunger.
He brought that to Afghanistan. Boom, he went up. He developed the way to be significant as I don't need to take risks. I send other people to kill themselves. And guess what? If others kill themselves and it does damage, then I'm a significant man. You can meet your needs in positive ways or negative ways. So two things shape us. We all want the same needs.
He brought that to Afghanistan. Boom, he went up. He developed the way to be significant as I don't need to take risks. I send other people to kill themselves. And guess what? If others kill themselves and it does damage, then I'm a significant man. You can meet your needs in positive ways or negative ways. So two things shape us. We all want the same needs.
The difference is what are your top two? If your top thing is certainty, you're moving this direction. If your top is variety or adventure, you move in this direction. If you want significance, you're moving one direction. If you want love, you're moving another. And sometimes we have conflicts in these areas. But also, how do you get it? Do you get certainty by eating?
The difference is what are your top two? If your top thing is certainty, you're moving this direction. If your top is variety or adventure, you move in this direction. If you want significance, you're moving one direction. If you want love, you're moving another. And sometimes we have conflicts in these areas. But also, how do you get it? Do you get certainty by eating?
Do you get certainty by doing drugs? Do you get certainty by working out hard and you feel great afterwards and you feel in control of your life? Do you get certainty by taking charge? You can meet your needs in positive ways, negative ways, or neutral ways. What I get people to see is... Change is never about willpower long-term. I got a lot of willpower. I know you do too.
Do you get certainty by doing drugs? Do you get certainty by working out hard and you feel great afterwards and you feel in control of your life? Do you get certainty by taking charge? You can meet your needs in positive ways, negative ways, or neutral ways. What I get people to see is... Change is never about willpower long-term. I got a lot of willpower. I know you do too.
You wouldn't have done what you've done, but willpower is not enough. When you align your, your needs with something where you start saying by doing this, it makes me feel certain. And I got variety. I'm growing. Like think about your businesses. How many of your needs are met? How certain are you? You'll find a way to succeed no matter what.
You wouldn't have done what you've done, but willpower is not enough. When you align your, your needs with something where you start saying by doing this, it makes me feel certain. And I got variety. I'm growing. Like think about your businesses. How many of your needs are met? How certain are you? You'll find a way to succeed no matter what.
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So you can go 50 hours a day in a 24-hour day if there was such a thing, and you will work incredibly hard because all your needs are met. It's not work. You're fulfilled. Now, tell me something you hate to do or you want someone else to do, you hire other people to do because you just don't want to do it.
So you can go 50 hours a day in a 24-hour day if there was such a thing, and you will work incredibly hard because all your needs are met. It's not work. You're fulfilled. Now, tell me something you hate to do or you want someone else to do, you hire other people to do because you just don't want to do it.
If somebody's got a hunger that doesn't go away, not a hunger to lose some weight for the summer. I'm talking about hunger to be more, to do more, to create more, to become something, to give something that matters. That kind of hunger that doesn't go away. That's what you see in like, I'm sure you know Richard Branson. He's a good friend, you know.
If somebody's got a hunger that doesn't go away, not a hunger to lose some weight for the summer. I'm talking about hunger to be more, to do more, to create more, to become something, to give something that matters. That kind of hunger that doesn't go away. That's what you see in like, I'm sure you know Richard Branson. He's a good friend, you know.
So you got almost everything sub five, six, one, right? You're not going to have any drive to do that. No, but I can take somebody, for example, who loves the clean house and you hate to do it. And I can find out how they do it. Absolutely. Because they're certain because they've done it so much. They get variety because every time they do it, it's a new mess. It's a new person.
So you got almost everything sub five, six, one, right? You're not going to have any drive to do that. No, but I can take somebody, for example, who loves the clean house and you hate to do it. And I can find out how they do it. Absolutely. Because they're certain because they've done it so much. They get variety because every time they do it, it's a new mess. It's a new person.
They grow because they're listening to audio programs while they're doing it, audio tapes. The people that find a way to do something they love, they found a way to meet all, not always all, at least three to four of these needs. If they meet all of them, it's effortless. That's the same thing in a relationship.
They grow because they're listening to audio programs while they're doing it, audio tapes. The people that find a way to do something they love, they found a way to meet all, not always all, at least three to four of these needs. If they meet all of them, it's effortless. That's the same thing in a relationship.
If you meet two needs in a relationship, one need in a relationship, you know the person. Two needs, they become a friend. Three needs, deep friendship. All six needs, you got to love slave. Because I've never seen anybody in a relationship, you know, I've dealt with hundreds of thousands of couples over the years, and you'll always hear the same thing. I gave her, I gave him everything.
If you meet two needs in a relationship, one need in a relationship, you know the person. Two needs, they become a friend. Three needs, deep friendship. All six needs, you got to love slave. Because I've never seen anybody in a relationship, you know, I've dealt with hundreds of thousands of couples over the years, and you'll always hear the same thing. I gave her, I gave him everything.
Everything except what they needed or they'd still be there because it takes two sides, right? And so I dig in and what you really find out, I've never heard anybody say, man, in this relationship, I feel so certain with her or him that they love me. We have so much surprise and variety. I mean, I feel like the most important person in the world.
Everything except what they needed or they'd still be there because it takes two sides, right? And so I dig in and what you really find out, I've never heard anybody say, man, in this relationship, I feel so certain with her or him that they love me. We have so much surprise and variety. I mean, I feel like the most important person in the world.
I mean, we're so in love and connected and we're growing and we're contributing. I'm out of here. It doesn't happen that way, right? So when you understand needs, when something meets at least three of these needs, a belief, an emotion, a behavior, you become addicted to it. Whether it's a positive thing or a negative doesn't matter.
I mean, we're so in love and connected and we're growing and we're contributing. I'm out of here. It doesn't happen that way, right? So when you understand needs, when something meets at least three of these needs, a belief, an emotion, a behavior, you become addicted to it. Whether it's a positive thing or a negative doesn't matter.
No, no, no. But I like the way— I'm just trying to give you insights. No, I totally get it. So I want you to know for that young man, just going back to him for a second, he never built the infrastructure to be orange. He or his family? No, his family built it.
No, no, no. But I like the way— I'm just trying to give you insights. No, I totally get it. So I want you to know for that young man, just going back to him for a second, he never built the infrastructure to be orange. He or his family? No, his family built it.
Yes, he was very—there's zero question that he did not earn all the way through that. Did you ever read the book Ultimate Gift, Jim Stovall? No, not that one, no.
Yes, he was very—there's zero question that he did not earn all the way through that. Did you ever read the book Ultimate Gift, Jim Stovall? No, not that one, no.
Yeah. But the point is, so he went straight to green and then he's really red because he's undeveloped. And then he probably got both in school and then the problem in his back aggravated it all. And then he wanted... Listen to this. He's not a significant person now. His back hurts. He can't operate. He can't do the martial arts. He can't do these things. There's someone to blame.
Yeah. But the point is, so he went straight to green and then he's really red because he's undeveloped. And then he probably got both in school and then the problem in his back aggravated it all. And then he wanted... Listen to this. He's not a significant person now. His back hurts. He can't operate. He can't do the martial arts. He can't do these things. There's someone to blame.
And then he fixated, and people get fixated. How much of that blame is our educational system? Pardon me?
And then he fixated, and people get fixated. How much of that blame is our educational system? Pardon me?
I'm not here to blame anything, but we both know that in the current educational system, at least Ivy League schools, there's this whole mindset of trigger warnings, this whole mindset of if someone doesn't agree with you, this whole idea of what is moral and what is not. I mean, I don't know what happened to sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
I'm not here to blame anything, but we both know that in the current educational system, at least Ivy League schools, there's this whole mindset of trigger warnings, this whole mindset of if someone doesn't agree with you, this whole idea of what is moral and what is not. I mean, I don't know what happened to sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
Richard is 74 years old, and he has the same hunger as he did when he was 16, starting virgin in a crypt. You know what I mean? That's there. Anybody who has that component that's alive in them is going to succeed. And hunger, though, usually comes from not having things so well.
Richard is 74 years old, and he has the same hunger as he did when he was 16, starting virgin in a crypt. You know what I mean? That's there. Anybody who has that component that's alive in them is going to succeed. And hunger, though, usually comes from not having things so well.
Like words are now violence. You know, if you ask Chris Rock, he'd say, if you think words are violence, no one has slapped the shit out of you on national television, right? He's like, words are not violence. I mean, but, but, but so now you hear some people like AOC saying, well, you know, they think denial is a form of violence. No, violence is violence. That is horrible. It's terrible.
Like words are now violence. You know, if you ask Chris Rock, he'd say, if you think words are violence, no one has slapped the shit out of you on national television, right? He's like, words are not violence. I mean, but, but, but so now you hear some people like AOC saying, well, you know, they think denial is a form of violence. No, violence is violence. That is horrible. It's terrible.
Because they've been trained to believe this, and they haven't had enough life experience yet, so they expect life to be the way they've been trained. And life is not that way, as you and I both know.
Because they've been trained to believe this, and they haven't had enough life experience yet, so they expect life to be the way they've been trained. And life is not that way, as you and I both know.
Well, I think as parents, but I think most parents are so overwhelmed and they don't even know what to do. They're barely keeping their head above water. So to try to figure out what's going on with their kid, they don't know how, that's the sad part. So now we've given the government the ability to educate our kids and we can see what kind of job they've done. It's horrific.
Well, I think as parents, but I think most parents are so overwhelmed and they don't even know what to do. They're barely keeping their head above water. So to try to figure out what's going on with their kid, they don't know how, that's the sad part. So now we've given the government the ability to educate our kids and we can see what kind of job they've done. It's horrific.
You go to Chicago or places like that and you've got 70% of the people that can't read and write at even a junior high school level. And so we're not preparing people anymore for this process. So the system has to change. And then we have universities now where there's one, it's supposed to be a place where you go and explore all kinds of thoughts.
You go to Chicago or places like that and you've got 70% of the people that can't read and write at even a junior high school level. And so we're not preparing people anymore for this process. So the system has to change. And then we have universities now where there's one, it's supposed to be a place where you go and explore all kinds of thoughts.
But most of the professors, as you know, in most of these universities are extremely liberal. I'm not saying you shouldn't be liberal, but we need all points of view. I'm an independent personally. I voted on both sides of the aisle. Most of my life, I work with people on both sides of the aisle.
But most of the professors, as you know, in most of these universities are extremely liberal. I'm not saying you shouldn't be liberal, but we need all points of view. I'm an independent personally. I voted on both sides of the aisle. Most of my life, I work with people on both sides of the aisle.
But I think you've got to be able to have both sides that you understand so you can pick what makes sense to you.
But I think you've got to be able to have both sides that you understand so you can pick what makes sense to you.
No, not with Betsy, no.
No, not with Betsy, no.
Of course. And I've already reached out on the mental health side and a couple of things.
Of course. And I've already reached out on the mental health side and a couple of things.
I mean, I come from an environment where I had four different fathers, and the common denominator I thought at that stage was lack of money because we had no money for food. But, you know, someone was interviewing me the other day. I just announced, you know, I started out early on when I was 11 years old. I had people come to my house on Thanksgiving. We had no money and no food, no food.
I mean, I come from an environment where I had four different fathers, and the common denominator I thought at that stage was lack of money because we had no money for food. But, you know, someone was interviewing me the other day. I just announced, you know, I started out early on when I was 11 years old. I had people come to my house on Thanksgiving. We had no money and no food, no food.
Well, I think we got there by trying to get efficient with the process of managing human beings that aren't managing through their life. We went to therapists originally, and then psychiatrists, not psychologists, became driven by basically the pharma business. I mean, it's pretty obvious what's there now. So, for example, on the cover of Newsweek two years ago,
Well, I think we got there by trying to get efficient with the process of managing human beings that aren't managing through their life. We went to therapists originally, and then psychiatrists, not psychologists, became driven by basically the pharma business. I mean, it's pretty obvious what's there now. So, for example, on the cover of Newsweek two years ago,
There's an article, and I actually brought it here just in case you hadn't seen it. See, I think I have it in here anyway. I threw it in here. But the cover of it says, talks about how SSRIs, which is the drugs that we use for depression, they don't work. I left it on the helicopter.
There's an article, and I actually brought it here just in case you hadn't seen it. See, I think I have it in here anyway. I threw it in here. But the cover of it says, talks about how SSRIs, which is the drugs that we use for depression, they don't work. I left it on the helicopter.
It says on the cover, 42 million Americans doing it, and meta-studies now show that a sugar pill is just as effective as SSRIs, and they don't have the downsides. Is this one? Yep. Hooked on hype. Hooked on hype. Yeah. There you go. As it say there, antidepressants work no better than sugar pills for most of the 43 million Americans who take them. We know that as a fact now.
It says on the cover, 42 million Americans doing it, and meta-studies now show that a sugar pill is just as effective as SSRIs, and they don't have the downsides. Is this one? Yep. Hooked on hype. Hooked on hype. Yeah. There you go. As it say there, antidepressants work no better than sugar pills for most of the 43 million Americans who take them. We know that as a fact now.
It's two years later and we're still giving this mass number of human beings on this earth these drugs that don't change anything. They just basically make them so they're numb. So remember I talked to you about those three decisions that you focus on? Let's do something with your audience that's practical for them right now because we're talking these highfalutin ideas.
It's two years later and we're still giving this mass number of human beings on this earth these drugs that don't change anything. They just basically make them so they're numb. So remember I talked to you about those three decisions that you focus on? Let's do something with your audience that's practical for them right now because we're talking these highfalutin ideas.
Let's do something pragmatic. So we don't experience life. We experience life we focus on. Meaning what's wrong is always available, so it's what's right. Whatever you focus on, you feel, even if it's not true. If you imagine something horrible is going to happen, you feel it. You're in your body, right? So focus equals feeling.
Let's do something pragmatic. So we don't experience life. We experience life we focus on. Meaning what's wrong is always available, so it's what's right. Whatever you focus on, you feel, even if it's not true. If you imagine something horrible is going to happen, you feel it. You're in your body, right? So focus equals feeling.
Focus equals reality to the individual, even though it's a reality in actuality. We decide, every moment we're deciding what to focus on, but most of us don't decide consciously. It's based on habit. So we're not in control, but we can consciously choose what to focus on. When we decide what to focus on, our brain has to come up with a meaning.
Focus equals reality to the individual, even though it's a reality in actuality. We decide, every moment we're deciding what to focus on, but most of us don't decide consciously. It's based on habit. So we're not in control, but we can consciously choose what to focus on. When we decide what to focus on, our brain has to come up with a meaning.
Like we said, the end of the beginning, loving me or dissing me, whatever the case may be. And that affects your emotions, which decides the third decision. What am I going to do? Let's start with focus. Let's take three patterns of focus for your audience. If I asked you, and I think I know with you, it'd be pretty simple, but which of these do you tend to spend more time in?
Like we said, the end of the beginning, loving me or dissing me, whatever the case may be. And that affects your emotions, which decides the third decision. What am I going to do? Let's start with focus. Let's take three patterns of focus for your audience. If I asked you, and I think I know with you, it'd be pretty simple, but which of these do you tend to spend more time in?
We had crackers and peanut butter. That's what we would have had. But, you know, Thanksgiving, I was having a big feast. So it really makes it pretty daunting. And my parents were saying things to each other that you can never take back. And I have a younger brother, five years younger, younger sister, seven years younger. And I'm trying to make sure they don't hear this.
We had crackers and peanut butter. That's what we would have had. But, you know, Thanksgiving, I was having a big feast. So it really makes it pretty daunting. And my parents were saying things to each other that you can never take back. And I have a younger brother, five years younger, younger sister, seven years younger. And I'm trying to make sure they don't hear this.
Do you tend to focus more on what you have or what's missing?
Do you tend to focus more on what you have or what's missing?
That's right. And when I ask most audiences that I have, I have 20,000 people in the stadium, the majority of them are achievers and the majority of them focus on what's missing. Now, since COVID, during COVID, almost everybody was focused on what's missing because many things were taken from them. So now I want you to think about this.
That's right. And when I ask most audiences that I have, I have 20,000 people in the stadium, the majority of them are achievers and the majority of them focus on what's missing. Now, since COVID, during COVID, almost everybody was focused on what's missing because many things were taken from them. So now I want you to think about this.
If you constantly focus on what's missing, it'll make you keep pushing, but it's very hard to sustain deep levels of happiness because you're all focused on what's missing. And so you're an overachiever, so you can still stack those enough to still feel good. But for most people, they go, it's missing. I'm missing the love of my life. I'm missing this. I'm missing that.
If you constantly focus on what's missing, it'll make you keep pushing, but it's very hard to sustain deep levels of happiness because you're all focused on what's missing. And so you're an overachiever, so you can still stack those enough to still feel good. But for most people, they go, it's missing. I'm missing the love of my life. I'm missing this. I'm missing that.
That puts them in a state of frustration, anger, sadness, or ultimately depression. Now let's take a second one. Do you tend to focus more? I'm sure I know what the answer on this one is. Do you have more on what you can or can't control? All of us focus on both things, right? But which one do you focus more on, can or can't control?
That puts them in a state of frustration, anger, sadness, or ultimately depression. Now let's take a second one. Do you tend to focus more? I'm sure I know what the answer on this one is. Do you have more on what you can or can't control? All of us focus on both things, right? But which one do you focus more on, can or can't control?
And you know what that produces? Anxiety, fear, frustration, high stress, anger, right? Yep. Third question, which, and by the way, most people in my events tend to focus on what they can control 100%. That's why they come. They come because they want to take control. They want more skills. They're hungry to driven, right? But the average person, boy, I can't control.
And you know what that produces? Anxiety, fear, frustration, high stress, anger, right? Yep. Third question, which, and by the way, most people in my events tend to focus on what they can control 100%. That's why they come. They come because they want to take control. They want more skills. They're hungry to driven, right? But the average person, boy, I can't control.
And this knock comes to the door. And I opened the door and there's this tall guy holding two giant bags of groceries. And then on the floor, on the ground, he had this uncooked frozen turkey in a pan that he'd obviously carried up there first. And he said, is your father home? And I'm like, just one moment, right? And so I run to get my dad. They're screaming at each other. I said...
And this knock comes to the door. And I opened the door and there's this tall guy holding two giant bags of groceries. And then on the floor, on the ground, he had this uncooked frozen turkey in a pan that he'd obviously carried up there first. And he said, is your father home? And I'm like, just one moment, right? And so I run to get my dad. They're screaming at each other. I said...
And that's why so many people, we have so much mental health problems because kids now think the whole world's going to end in 12 years because the ecology is going to fall apart, which is a total lie. We all know it's a lie. But when you believe that, I don't even want to have a kid. I can't do anything. Total anxiety. So now how do you treat that? Well, I'll give you one more.
And that's why so many people, we have so much mental health problems because kids now think the whole world's going to end in 12 years because the ecology is going to fall apart, which is a total lie. We all know it's a lie. But when you believe that, I don't even want to have a kid. I can't do anything. Total anxiety. So now how do you treat that? Well, I'll give you one more.
Do you tend to focus on the past, the present, or the future? We all do all three. Where do you spend more time? For me?
Do you tend to focus on the past, the present, or the future? We all do all three. Where do you spend more time? For me?
I know. Yeah. And that makes you successful because you can anticipate. Most achievers focus on the future. The happiest people focus on the present. I agree. I totally agree. So the key is flexibility. If you focus on the past, you can't change it. Unless you're focused on something wonderful, which most people don't, that's not where you want to spend your time. So watch this.
I know. Yeah. And that makes you successful because you can anticipate. Most achievers focus on the future. The happiest people focus on the present. I agree. I totally agree. So the key is flexibility. If you focus on the past, you can't change it. Unless you're focused on something wonderful, which most people don't, that's not where you want to spend your time. So watch this.
I'll ask a room of 20,000 people, stadium, and I'll say, okay, how many of you in this room, we've gone through these three, how many know somebody that takes antidepressants and they're still depressed? 90% of the room raises their hand. Do you know somebody who does that? Many. Many. How is that possible? Because the drug does not change anything.
I'll ask a room of 20,000 people, stadium, and I'll say, okay, how many of you in this room, we've gone through these three, how many know somebody that takes antidepressants and they're still depressed? 90% of the room raises their hand. Do you know somebody who does that? Many. Many. How is that possible? Because the drug does not change anything.
What changed my life was finding that part that's inside of all of us that will not give up.
What changed my life was finding that part that's inside of all of us that will not give up.
All it does is numb you and has massive side effects, including suicidal thoughts. On the other hand, what is really going on? What's going on is they're constantly focused on what they can't control. They're constantly focused on what's missing. They tend to focus more on the past or a future that they think they can't control. And it puts them there.
All it does is numb you and has massive side effects, including suicidal thoughts. On the other hand, what is really going on? What's going on is they're constantly focused on what they can't control. They're constantly focused on what's missing. They tend to focus more on the past or a future that they think they can't control. And it puts them there.
Until you change the cause, that doesn't go away. So watch this. During COVID, we had the most expansive mental health challenges ever. We had the most overdoses, the most abuse of alcohol and drugs that we've ever seen in the history of this country. People were trapped. They didn't know what to do. They had the worst thoughts. Everything seemed like it's going to be forever, and they're there.
Until you change the cause, that doesn't go away. So watch this. During COVID, we had the most expansive mental health challenges ever. We had the most overdoses, the most abuse of alcohol and drugs that we've ever seen in the history of this country. People were trapped. They didn't know what to do. They had the worst thoughts. Everything seemed like it's going to be forever, and they're there.
Stanford comes to me and says, we had two professors that came through your Date with Destiny program. Both were clinically depressed. And now they don't have any symptoms of depression. They're not taking any drugs. How is this possible? So I start to explain what we do where people, they change their own values, rules.
Stanford comes to me and says, we had two professors that came through your Date with Destiny program. Both were clinically depressed. And now they don't have any symptoms of depression. They're not taking any drugs. How is this possible? So I start to explain what we do where people, they change their own values, rules.
They change it so that it's easy to feel good, hard to feel bad, where they're in control instead of reacting to the environment, right? It's a six-day immersion process that changes your conditioning. You do it. I don't tell you what to do. You do it. I show you how. And they go, well, do you have any data on the results of this?
They change it so that it's easy to feel good, hard to feel bad, where they're in control instead of reacting to the environment, right? It's a six-day immersion process that changes your conditioning. You do it. I don't tell you what to do. You do it. I show you how. And they go, well, do you have any data on the results of this?
I said, well, yeah, I got hundreds of thousands of graduates and letters. And they said, no, like scientific data. I said, no, but if you want to do a study, let's do it. They said, we'd love to study depression. I said, great. I said, tell me what the base is. Like right now, current treatments, what's the average? Well, meta studies, you won't believe this,
I said, well, yeah, I got hundreds of thousands of graduates and letters. And they said, no, like scientific data. I said, no, but if you want to do a study, let's do it. They said, we'd love to study depression. I said, great. I said, tell me what the base is. Like right now, current treatments, what's the average? Well, meta studies, you won't believe this,
Money Studies, Patrick, show that 60% of the people that get treatment with drugs and or therapy, 60% make zero improvement for depression. 40% improved. The average improvement, according to meta studies, is 50%. So they're half as depressed as they were. They still feel terrible. Now, some people get well, but very few.
Money Studies, Patrick, show that 60% of the people that get treatment with drugs and or therapy, 60% make zero improvement for depression. 40% improved. The average improvement, according to meta studies, is 50%. So they're half as depressed as they were. They still feel terrible. Now, some people get well, but very few.
Most stay on medication for years and years and years and side effects of that. I said, that'd be easy to beat with a placebo, in my opinion. He goes, yeah, maybe right. I said, I guarantee we'll build that. I say, I guarantee you'll do the measurement. And I said, but what's the best that's ever happened? What's the best result in the history of psychiatry? It was a John Hopkins six years ago.
Most stay on medication for years and years and years and side effects of that. I said, that'd be easy to beat with a placebo, in my opinion. He goes, yeah, maybe right. I said, I guarantee we'll build that. I say, I guarantee you'll do the measurement. And I said, but what's the best that's ever happened? What's the best result in the history of psychiatry? It was a John Hopkins six years ago.
They took people and put them for 30 days on psilocybin, magic mushrooms and cognitive therapy. I said, 30 days of mushrooms and therapy. I mean, you got to get a change out of that. They said, Tony, it's the most powerful change we've ever seen. Six weeks after the month of this treatment, 54% of people had no symptoms whatsoever. Depression. There's nothing like in the history of psychiatry.
They took people and put them for 30 days on psilocybin, magic mushrooms and cognitive therapy. I said, 30 days of mushrooms and therapy. I mean, you got to get a change out of that. They said, Tony, it's the most powerful change we've ever seen. Six weeks after the month of this treatment, 54% of people had no symptoms whatsoever. Depression. There's nothing like in the history of psychiatry.
the door's for you. He goes, you answered. I said, I answered. He has to speak to you. Who is it? I don't know. And I'm just as a little boy, right? 11 years old, just like waiting to see his face thing. It's going to be the happiest moment in our lives. And my dad opened the door and he was not a happy man. He said, we don't take charity. And he just went to slam the door in the guy's face.
the door's for you. He goes, you answered. I said, I answered. He has to speak to you. Who is it? I don't know. And I'm just as a little boy, right? 11 years old, just like waiting to see his face thing. It's going to be the happiest moment in our lives. And my dad opened the door and he was not a happy man. He said, we don't take charity. And he just went to slam the door in the guy's face.
I said, our target is to beat that. I think we will, but that sounds probably like hyperbole when you hear it, but I think you'll see we're changing the cause. So it should be much better than that. Let's see. They set up the study. They mirrored the example of the opposite group. Like they did for the group in Johns Hopkins. We had six days, no drugs, no individual therapy.
I said, our target is to beat that. I think we will, but that sounds probably like hyperbole when you hear it, but I think you'll see we're changing the cause. So it should be much better than that. Let's see. They set up the study. They mirrored the example of the opposite group. Like they did for the group in Johns Hopkins. We had six days, no drugs, no individual therapy.
And at the end, they followed up with them six weeks later. 93% of the people had zero symptoms whatsoever of depression. The 7% were left made significant improvements. And 17% came in with suicidal ideation. And not one person had suicidal ideation at the end of six days. That's it. They followed up a year later. 71% decrease in negative emotions. 52% increase in positive emotions.
And at the end, they followed up with them six weeks later. 93% of the people had zero symptoms whatsoever of depression. The 7% were left made significant improvements. And 17% came in with suicidal ideation. And not one person had suicidal ideation at the end of six days. That's it. They followed up a year later. 71% decrease in negative emotions. 52% increase in positive emotions.
Stanford's saying now they have two other studies they're doing now. A year-long study on engagement in business, because engagement equals EBITDA, as you know, right? So the changes that you can make are amazing. Now, how do we make those changes? They're like, how is this possible? They followed me for three years. They put this device on me. It's a $50,000 device that measures everything.
Stanford's saying now they have two other studies they're doing now. A year-long study on engagement in business, because engagement equals EBITDA, as you know, right? So the changes that you can make are amazing. Now, how do we make those changes? They're like, how is this possible? They followed me for three years. They put this device on me. It's a $50,000 device that measures everything.
They took my blood at every break. They took my saliva. They checked your hormonal balance, and here's what they found. They've done this with Tom Brady, our mutual friend. They've done it with some of the top teams that win over and over again, like the Lightning, the hockey team. And they measured something and found something interesting.
They took my blood at every break. They took my saliva. They checked your hormonal balance, and here's what they found. They've done this with Tom Brady, our mutual friend. They've done it with some of the top teams that win over and over again, like the Lightning, the hockey team. And they measured something and found something interesting.
The teams that win again and again are able to deal with stress in a unique way because Tom Brady's down by 10 points. It's the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl, and he comes back to win. In two minutes left, how does he do it? His testosterone surges to just gigantic levels. Now, testosterone gives you unbelievable focus and drive, and it makes you remember everything.
The teams that win again and again are able to deal with stress in a unique way because Tom Brady's down by 10 points. It's the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl, and he comes back to win. In two minutes left, how does he do it? His testosterone surges to just gigantic levels. Now, testosterone gives you unbelievable focus and drive, and it makes you remember everything.
If I said, where were you on 9-11? Everyone remembers where they were. 8-11, you don't remember anything. The difference is information without emotion is not maintained. But that level of intensity, you retain it. That's why a year later, people are still shifted. But secondly, usually when you get testosterone, you get a lot of cortisol. That's the stress hormone.
If I said, where were you on 9-11? Everyone remembers where they were. 8-11, you don't remember anything. The difference is information without emotion is not maintained. But that level of intensity, you retain it. That's why a year later, people are still shifted. But secondly, usually when you get testosterone, you get a lot of cortisol. That's the stress hormone.
For these people, their testosterone surges, the cortisol drops through the floor. So all they have is this centered focus power that doesn't hold them back. Every time I get on stage, I go into that biochemical, they call it the championship biochemistry, but here's what's really interesting. Then they started measuring my audience. They did it live, and then when COVID happened,
For these people, their testosterone surges, the cortisol drops through the floor. So all they have is this centered focus power that doesn't hold them back. Every time I get on stage, I go into that biochemical, they call it the championship biochemistry, but here's what's really interesting. Then they started measuring my audience. They did it live, and then when COVID happened,
Imagine this, my whole thing is doing events all over the earth, Australia, London, everywhere we go, stadiums full of people. And in March of 2020, the governor of California calls and says, guess what? Sorry, you can put a hundred people in the stadium. I'm like, no, no, no, no. 14,000 people, no. All right, we're going to Vegas. They'll never shut down Vegas.
Imagine this, my whole thing is doing events all over the earth, Australia, London, everywhere we go, stadiums full of people. And in March of 2020, the governor of California calls and says, guess what? Sorry, you can put a hundred people in the stadium. I'm like, no, no, no, no. 14,000 people, no. All right, we're going to Vegas. They'll never shut down Vegas.
And the guy had, you know, leaned in slightly. So it hit his shoulder and bounced off. And that made my dad even more frustrated. And he said, sir, sir. I said, I'm just the delivery guy. You know, Everybody has tough times and somebody knows you're having tough times and they want you to have a great Thanksgiving with your family. And my father said, we don't take charity and went to do it again.
And the guy had, you know, leaned in slightly. So it hit his shoulder and bounced off. And that made my dad even more frustrated. And he said, sir, sir. I said, I'm just the delivery guy. You know, Everybody has tough times and somebody knows you're having tough times and they want you to have a great Thanksgiving with your family. And my father said, we don't take charity and went to do it again.
A week before Vegas, they shut down Vegas. We're going to Texas. The governor says he's not going to bend. Texas is its own country. Two weeks out of that, 14,000 people shut down. We're going to do this in movie theaters. So let us put 10 people in the movie theater. We'll get 14 at a movie theaters. They can go locally. They'll have a big screen, big speakers, all this stuff.
A week before Vegas, they shut down Vegas. We're going to Texas. The governor says he's not going to bend. Texas is its own country. Two weeks out of that, 14,000 people shut down. We're going to do this in movie theaters. So let us put 10 people in the movie theater. We'll get 14 at a movie theaters. They can go locally. They'll have a big screen, big speakers, all this stuff.
And they shut down the movie theaters. So I was like, how am I going to help people? It's like, I'm going to have to do something I never thought would be possible. I'm going to do this in their homes. I'm used to a stadium, rock and roll. We go 12 hours and people wouldn't sit for a three hour movie and they're out of their mind. Well, people that got dragged, they're out of their mind.
And they shut down the movie theaters. So I was like, how am I going to help people? It's like, I'm going to have to do something I never thought would be possible. I'm going to do this in their homes. I'm used to a stadium, rock and roll. We go 12 hours and people wouldn't sit for a three hour movie and they're out of their mind. Well, people that got dragged, they're out of their mind.
How do I do that in their house? How do I do that if we're starting here at 10 a.m. and Palm Beach and I'm projecting and I got 193 countries, which is how we do it now. And I got guys in Australia that it's already midnight and they're going to go from midnight to one in the afternoon for four days and nights. And we lose 2% of the people on average, to give you an idea.
How do I do that in their house? How do I do that if we're starting here at 10 a.m. and Palm Beach and I'm projecting and I got 193 countries, which is how we do it now. And I got guys in Australia that it's already midnight and they're going to go from midnight to one in the afternoon for four days and nights. And we lose 2% of the people on average, to give you an idea.
I didn't believe that was possible. But they measured the people overseas. I created this way to do it, a studio. I can tell you the details anytime you want. But the bottom line is the engagement is so large, they sent people around the world and did their blood in real time, did their saliva. And they all, it looks like music. They start out and then they start mirroring me.
I didn't believe that was possible. But they measured the people overseas. I created this way to do it, a studio. I can tell you the details anytime you want. But the bottom line is the engagement is so large, they sent people around the world and did their blood in real time, did their saliva. And they all, it looks like music. They start out and then they start mirroring me.
You know, mirror neurons? They literally go into the same state of testosterone and the drop-off of cortisol, and that's why it sticks. It's a change in the conditioning in their nervous system. It's not just thoughts they thought, and that's why it's retained a year later with continued impact. So we have a scientific process. I've always known what it is, but now science is duplicating it.
You know, mirror neurons? They literally go into the same state of testosterone and the drop-off of cortisol, and that's why it sticks. It's a change in the conditioning in their nervous system. It's not just thoughts they thought, and that's why it's retained a year later with continued impact. So we have a scientific process. I've always known what it is, but now science is duplicating it.
Now, here's what's interesting. That study was published last year in the Journal of Psychiatry, one of the top journals around. How many phone calls do you think I've gotten from anybody in that community? How many? Zero.
Now, here's what's interesting. That study was published last year in the Journal of Psychiatry, one of the top journals around. How many phone calls do you think I've gotten from anybody in that community? How many? Zero.
Not a single one. There's no profit. But now with Bobby, you know, and Bobby gets so misaligned, I'm sure you know. I mean, Bobby just wants to have food that doesn't have chemicals that create cancer. He wants to make sure that if you're going to have a vaccine, that it's actually tested and safe. So, you know, I helped connect Bobby.
Not a single one. There's no profit. But now with Bobby, you know, and Bobby gets so misaligned, I'm sure you know. I mean, Bobby just wants to have food that doesn't have chemicals that create cancer. He wants to make sure that if you're going to have a vaccine, that it's actually tested and safe. So, you know, I helped connect Bobby.
I was one of the people that got him with Trump because I'm an independent. I just, I knew he wasn't going to win. He actually wanted me to be his VP. We spent the first month before anybody else. And I didn't choose to go that route because I don't want to be on one side or the other. I've always been to help people on both sides.
I was one of the people that got him with Trump because I'm an independent. I just, I knew he wasn't going to win. He actually wanted me to be his VP. We spent the first month before anybody else. And I didn't choose to go that route because I don't want to be on one side or the other. I've always been to help people on both sides.
I'd had interest. We spent a month talking about it. But in the end, I felt like it would make me one side or the other. I want to serve everyone. So I don't want to be a politician. In the future, you're not touching politics. I doubt it. I won't shut out anything. No, because you might change your opinion about something. But right now, that doesn't feel like it.
I'd had interest. We spent a month talking about it. But in the end, I felt like it would make me one side or the other. I want to serve everyone. So I don't want to be a politician. In the future, you're not touching politics. I doubt it. I won't shut out anything. No, because you might change your opinion about something. But right now, that doesn't feel like it.
But I want to support people on both sides of the aisle, like I always have, the right people on both sides of the aisle. So I connected him because the other side wasn't open. So it's like, if this guy wins.
But I want to support people on both sides of the aisle, like I always have, the right people on both sides of the aisle. So I connected him because the other side wasn't open. So it's like, if this guy wins.
I didn't speak to him. He went and spoke to him. He tried to. He went to them. Well, you invited both of them, right? I think you did invite both of them to use my facilities. Right, to use the facility. I remember.
I didn't speak to him. He went and spoke to him. He tried to. He went to them. Well, you invited both of them, right? I think you did invite both of them to use my facilities. Right, to use the facility. I remember.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But the bottom line is, like, I'm not here to tell people who to vote for. I didn't say, here's who you should vote for. I brought both people. It's never been your style. It's just not – I don't think I'm – I'm not some celebrity telling you what to do. I'm here for you to do what's right, vote, and for you to educate yourself.
But the bottom line is, like, I'm not here to tell people who to vote for. I didn't say, here's who you should vote for. I brought both people. It's never been your style. It's just not – I don't think I'm – I'm not some celebrity telling you what to do. I'm here for you to do what's right, vote, and for you to educate yourself.
And this time the guy, because he leaned in, his foot now got there and his foot hit the door and it bounced open. My dad's getting madder. And then the guy saw my father and, and saw me and he said something. I thought my father was going to punch him in the face. He said, sir, he said, don't make your family suffer because of your ego.
And this time the guy, because he leaned in, his foot now got there and his foot hit the door and it bounced open. My dad's getting madder. And then the guy saw my father and, and saw me and he said something. I thought my father was going to punch him in the face. He said, sir, he said, don't make your family suffer because of your ego.
And I'll do anything I can so you understand both sides on your terms, not my terms, right? But I brought him together with Bobby because – by Bobby with him because Trump really wanted to make a difference in this area. I mean, he made it clear he did. And so now he is. And now you've got Bhattacharya at the NIH and you've got Dr. Martin McCary who's at FDA. The squat is unbelievable. Yeah.
And I'll do anything I can so you understand both sides on your terms, not my terms, right? But I brought him together with Bobby because – by Bobby with him because Trump really wanted to make a difference in this area. I mean, he made it clear he did. And so now he is. And now you've got Bhattacharya at the NIH and you've got Dr. Martin McCary who's at FDA. The squat is unbelievable. Yeah.
And Dr. Oz, who's my friend as well, is going to run Medicare and Medicaid. You have all the guys that were being attacked who were telling the truth are now going to be in charge. So I think we're going to see a real shift.
And Dr. Oz, who's my friend as well, is going to run Medicare and Medicaid. You have all the guys that were being attacked who were telling the truth are now going to be in charge. So I think we're going to see a real shift.
I've known him for about 25 years. He's not like my buddy. I've been hanging out with him or anything.
I've known him for about 25 years. He's not like my buddy. I've been hanging out with him or anything.
Oh, yeah, and he spoke in my events. I gave him his first big event. He came in Philadelphia. He thought he was coming to speak to 400 people. I thought it was a big group. And we had 12,000 people. And he couldn't believe it. It was the first big crowd he did. And he wrote about it in his book, actually. It was like the first time. Now that's like his basic fundamental thing to doing.
Oh, yeah, and he spoke in my events. I gave him his first big event. He came in Philadelphia. He thought he was coming to speak to 400 people. I thought it was a big group. And we had 12,000 people. And he couldn't believe it. It was the first big crowd he did. And he wrote about it in his book, actually. It was like the first time. Now that's like his basic fundamental thing to doing.
He loves it the most. But I watched him. His big piece of advice there was get a prenup. That was the first piece of advice he gave when he got up. He would say something like that.
He loves it the most. But I watched him. His big piece of advice there was get a prenup. That was the first piece of advice he gave when he got up. He would say something like that.
No, I do more than that. But I do a lot of them more where I'm not having to travel as much because I have my daughter. So I do a lot of them that are digital events.
No, I do more than that. But I do a lot of them more where I'm not having to travel as much because I have my daughter. So I do a lot of them that are digital events.
Yeah, I do Palm Beach Convention Center. And some people go now because now we're no longer in that environment. So they'll do it online, some people, and other people come.
Yeah, I do Palm Beach Convention Center. And some people go now because now we're no longer in that environment. So they'll do it online, some people, and other people come.
Gosh, I do probably, I have about 125 days a year versus maybe 150 versus it used to be.
Gosh, I do probably, I have about 125 days a year versus maybe 150 versus it used to be.
And I can still see the veins on the side of my father's face. I mean, neck. I thought for sure he was going to punch him. And he took the food, didn't say anything, threw it on the table and slammed the door and never said thank you. And I tell you that story because it changed my life. Because I believe there's, I didn't know it then. I figured out later because I had to.
And I can still see the veins on the side of my father's face. I mean, neck. I thought for sure he was going to punch him. And he took the food, didn't say anything, threw it on the table and slammed the door and never said thank you. And I tell you that story because it changed my life. Because I believe there's, I didn't know it then. I figured out later because I had to.
Well, as I said, when COVID happened, I had to figure out how to serve people. And I thought, they're stuck at home. Let me eliminate every obstacle they have. It's travel. It's money. It's time. So I don't want to just do like an hour someplace. But I want to do something in their home. So I built this studio with 20-foot high ceilings, 25-foot high ceilings. And I built 20-foot high LED screens.
Well, as I said, when COVID happened, I had to figure out how to serve people. And I thought, they're stuck at home. Let me eliminate every obstacle they have. It's travel. It's money. It's time. So I don't want to just do like an hour someplace. But I want to do something in their home. So I built this studio with 20-foot high ceilings, 25-foot high ceilings. And I built 20-foot high LED screens.
And I did 0.67 highest resolution, built it all around, built this software so that people can use their phone instead of clapping. So if one person does it, you barely hear it. But when 25,000, it goes crazy. And then I said, I'm going to go do a free seminar for three days where I'm going to give them the tools right at the beginning of the year here in January to change their life.
And I did 0.67 highest resolution, built it all around, built this software so that people can use their phone instead of clapping. So if one person does it, you barely hear it. But when 25,000, it goes crazy. And then I said, I'm going to go do a free seminar for three days where I'm going to give them the tools right at the beginning of the year here in January to change their life.
Because everybody in the beginning of the year, we have this artificial thing, new year, new life. It feels good. It's totally made up, but it's nice. It gives you momentum potentially. But what most people do is set some New Year's resolutions and they're broken by the 1st of February. So what we do is have people create a path. So it's about two and a half, three hours every day for three days.
Because everybody in the beginning of the year, we have this artificial thing, new year, new life. It feels good. It's totally made up, but it's nice. It gives you momentum potentially. But what most people do is set some New Year's resolutions and they're broken by the 1st of February. So what we do is have people create a path. So it's about two and a half, three hours every day for three days.
It's coming up on January 30th, 31st, and February 1st. It's my last, I've done four of them roles. It's my last one I'm doing. There's no charge for it whatsoever. It's not partially free. It's totally free. You can attend from any country in the world and you can bring it, you can do it at home. You can do your office with your coworkers. You can do it at home with your family or friends.
It's coming up on January 30th, 31st, and February 1st. It's my last, I've done four of them roles. It's my last one I'm doing. There's no charge for it whatsoever. It's not partially free. It's totally free. You can attend from any country in the world and you can bring it, you can do it at home. You can do your office with your coworkers. You can do it at home with your family or friends.
But at the end of three days, you're going to have a path for this year and you're going to know what stopped you in the past. Like, what do you really want? What's gotten in the way? Has it been certain fears and we're going to get rid of them? Has it been some limiting beliefs or stories? Is there a skill you're missing? Is there a habit that's getting in the way?
But at the end of three days, you're going to have a path for this year and you're going to know what stopped you in the past. Like, what do you really want? What's gotten in the way? Has it been certain fears and we're going to get rid of them? Has it been some limiting beliefs or stories? Is there a skill you're missing? Is there a habit that's getting in the way?
And then you're going to put together your plan and then we're going to help you create momentum. And then you're also part of a community. You know, we started the first year with 300,000 people. The second was 800,000. Last year was 1.1 million people from 193 countries. Every country in the world.
And then you're going to put together your plan and then we're going to help you create momentum. And then you're also part of a community. You know, we started the first year with 300,000 people. The second was 800,000. Last year was 1.1 million people from 193 countries. Every country in the world.
Imagine it'd be 20 stadiums full of people for three days in a row that are going and changing their life. And then... Every night, there's no charge for it, but my charge is you got to do some homework here. So I know you're doing it. And then they put it on Facebook or they put it on other pieces. And I go and watch them, the videos. I mean, I'm up all night long.
Imagine it'd be 20 stadiums full of people for three days in a row that are going and changing their life. And then... Every night, there's no charge for it, but my charge is you got to do some homework here. So I know you're doing it. And then they put it on Facebook or they put it on other pieces. And I go and watch them, the videos. I mean, I'm up all night long.
It's one of the most beautiful things in the world, seeing people make these gigantic changes. You know, a woman who was watching on a phone. She'd been kicked out of her house sleeping in her car. And everybody's helped her out. And now she's got two different jobs. She's doing what she loves.
It's one of the most beautiful things in the world, seeing people make these gigantic changes. You know, a woman who was watching on a phone. She'd been kicked out of her house sleeping in her car. And everybody's helped her out. And now she's got two different jobs. She's doing what she loves.
A guy that just got out of prison, couldn't see his daughter, you know, because he was so intense before. Now he's back with his daughter. A guy that was having trouble in his business. Now he's growing his business to $50 million. Was doing $3 million just three years ago. All from just this one event. So if you want to go, you go to timetorisesummit.com.
A guy that just got out of prison, couldn't see his daughter, you know, because he was so intense before. Now he's back with his daughter. A guy that was having trouble in his business. Now he's growing his business to $50 million. Was doing $3 million just three years ago. All from just this one event. So if you want to go, you go to timetorisesummit.com.
And just get yourself registered and come and attend. And we'd love to be able to serve you. And we're going to just this time for this year. Okay, Rob, can you put the link below as well?
And just get yourself registered and come and attend. And we'd love to be able to serve you. And we're going to just this time for this year. Okay, Rob, can you put the link below as well?
Yes, please.
Yes, please.
My father left our family about two weeks after that. And to me, that was, he had four fathers, but he's the one who adopted me. He's the one whose name I carry. He's the one I love the most, quite frankly, had the most time with. It's the most inspirational for me, but he left. And why do you leave? Because there's three decisions we make every moment of our lives.
My father left our family about two weeks after that. And to me, that was, he had four fathers, but he's the one who adopted me. He's the one whose name I carry. He's the one I love the most, quite frankly, had the most time with. It's the most inspirational for me, but he left. And why do you leave? Because there's three decisions we make every moment of our lives.
What a cool thing.
What a cool thing.
Oh, that's ridiculous.
Oh, that's ridiculous.
I don't need it. I mean, you're so kind to do that. It's beyond kind. I don't need it.
I don't need it. I mean, you're so kind to do that. It's beyond kind. I don't need it.
Because I have my underwater. Yeah, I have a.
Because I have my underwater. Yeah, I have a.
No, that is unbelievably generous. In my home, I actually got into playing, as I shared with you, playing sports. And one of them that I started playing was I was really playing racquetball, and I got into squash. And it's like I have this big home, and I'm like – You can't build a squash court here. And I said, yes, we can. We're going to go down. I said, you can't go down.
No, that is unbelievably generous. In my home, I actually got into playing, as I shared with you, playing sports. And one of them that I started playing was I was really playing racquetball, and I got into squash. And it's like I have this big home, and I'm like – You can't build a squash court here. And I said, yes, we can. We're going to go down. I said, you can't go down.
The water's on this side, the intercoastal, and the ocean's on this side. It's below the water table. And I said, have you ever been to Atlantis? Have you ever been to Scripps? I said, we'll build it. They go, they'll never get approved. I said, the people here in this town are my fans. We'll get it approved. We thought it'd take a year and a half. It took three years.
The water's on this side, the intercoastal, and the ocean's on this side. It's below the water table. And I said, have you ever been to Atlantis? Have you ever been to Scripps? I said, we'll build it. They go, they'll never get approved. I said, the people here in this town are my fans. We'll get it approved. We thought it'd take a year and a half. It took three years.
So we have 8,000 square feet underground of... Bowling alleys and basketball and all this stuff for my kids and grandkids. And I actually was going to an auction, and then I was in a seminar, so I couldn't complete it. And I had an auction for one of the suits like this. So that's why I was admiring it. That is so crazy. Well, it's yours now.
So we have 8,000 square feet underground of... Bowling alleys and basketball and all this stuff for my kids and grandkids. And I actually was going to an auction, and then I was in a seminar, so I couldn't complete it. And I had an auction for one of the suits like this. So that's why I was admiring it. That is so crazy. Well, it's yours now.
I'm grateful for you. I'm grateful that you're out there. I'm grateful that you tell the truth. So very few people are willing to tell the truth. Everybody's trying to position themselves. And one of the things I really respect about you is that, as well as, it's one thing to talk a good game, but you and I both have lived it.
I'm grateful for you. I'm grateful that you're out there. I'm grateful that you tell the truth. So very few people are willing to tell the truth. Everybody's trying to position themselves. And one of the things I really respect about you is that, as well as, it's one thing to talk a good game, but you and I both have lived it.
And when you produce results and you speak, there's a different conviction than something you read about or heard about. And so I really honor you. PBD. Thank you. Thank you.
And when you produce results and you speak, there's a different conviction than something you read about or heard about. And so I really honor you. PBD. Thank you. Thank you.
I really respect you, and I look forward to our friendship growing.
I really respect you, and I look forward to our friendship growing.
The first decision we're making is what are we going to focus on? Right now, there's millions of things we could focus on. People listening could be focused on what they're doing, what we're saying, whether it matters or not, you know, a million things, right? But we only focus on a small band of things. And whatever we focus on, we experience in life.
The first decision we're making is what are we going to focus on? Right now, there's millions of things we could focus on. People listening could be focused on what they're doing, what we're saying, whether it matters or not, you know, a million things, right? But we only focus on a small band of things. And whatever we focus on, we experience in life.
And so the first decision, what to focus on, I know what he focused on. He focused on that he had not fed his family because he kept saying it. But then the second decision you make, as soon as you focus on something, is you give it a meaning. Is this the end of the beginning? If you think it's the end of a relationship, you're going to behave very different than the beginning.
And so the first decision, what to focus on, I know what he focused on. He focused on that he had not fed his family because he kept saying it. But then the second decision you make, as soon as you focus on something, is you give it a meaning. Is this the end of the beginning? If you think it's the end of a relationship, you're going to behave very different than the beginning.
I had huge drive because I just wanted to be more. I didn't want to settle. I looked at our family and all the pain that I saw my mother go through and we would go through and I was like, I'm not going to have a future like that. I'm going to find some way to do more. You're not one of the best. You're the best in your space. I'm here to help the people that are interested.
I had huge drive because I just wanted to be more. I didn't want to settle. I looked at our family and all the pain that I saw my mother go through and we would go through and I was like, I'm not going to have a future like that. I'm going to find some way to do more. You're not one of the best. You're the best in your space. I'm here to help the people that are interested.
Is this person dissing me? Are they challenging me? Are they coaching me? Are they actually loving me? Whatever meaning you create produces emotion, and those emotions control your third decision, which is, what are you going to do? And I tell you that because he focused on didn't feed his family. The worst part was the meaning. The meaning for him was, you know, I'm worthless.
Is this person dissing me? Are they challenging me? Are they coaching me? Are they actually loving me? Whatever meaning you create produces emotion, and those emotions control your third decision, which is, what are you going to do? And I tell you that because he focused on didn't feed his family. The worst part was the meaning. The meaning for him was, you know, I'm worthless.
And he decided to leave our family. That day I had a very different experience. I focused on there was food. What a concept. But then secondly, the meaning is what changed my life. It's why I'm sitting here right now. The meaning I got was... wow, strangers care. My father always said, you know, we grew up in an environment on the other side of the tracks, quite literally.
And he decided to leave our family. That day I had a very different experience. I focused on there was food. What a concept. But then secondly, the meaning is what changed my life. It's why I'm sitting here right now. The meaning I got was... wow, strangers care. My father always said, you know, we grew up in an environment on the other side of the tracks, quite literally.
And, you know, I thought it was a wealthy community. It was a lower middle-class community, but compared to us, they were wealthy. And my dad would always say, no one cares. And it's like, I had evidence that, that someone cared so much and they didn't even want credit. They fed my family. And so it's like, if strangers care about me and my family, I'm gonna care about strangers.
And, you know, I thought it was a wealthy community. It was a lower middle-class community, but compared to us, they were wealthy. And my dad would always say, no one cares. And it's like, I had evidence that, that someone cared so much and they didn't even want credit. They fed my family. And so it's like, if strangers care about me and my family, I'm gonna care about strangers.
And I made a decision right then at 11 years old, I'm gonna feed people when I get older. And so when I was 17, I fed two families and it was so emotionally rewarding. Then I went to four and eight, then I got to a million, then I got to 4 million, 2 million from my foundation, 2 million from me.
And I made a decision right then at 11 years old, I'm gonna feed people when I get older. And so when I was 17, I fed two families and it was so emotionally rewarding. Then I went to four and eight, then I got to a million, then I got to 4 million, 2 million from my foundation, 2 million from me.
And then in the last 10 years, about eight years or 12, 10 years ago, I started, it took me eight years. I said, I'm gonna provide a billion meals here in the United States. And we did that in eight years, I'm proud to be. 100 million meals a year I did through Feeding America as my partner. And all that came, to answer your question, because of the turmoil, as you described it.
And then in the last 10 years, about eight years or 12, 10 years ago, I started, it took me eight years. I said, I'm gonna provide a billion meals here in the United States. And we did that in eight years, I'm proud to be. 100 million meals a year I did through Feeding America as my partner. And all that came, to answer your question, because of the turmoil, as you described it.
In other words, I said to someone the other day, I don't know. We're not only fed a billion, but now, because of the war in Ukraine, most people are unaware of it. The news doesn't even talk about it. But that's the breadbasket for most of Africa. So there are 11 nations that are on the realm or on the edge of famine. And then, you know, we need, obviously, fertilizer.
In other words, I said to someone the other day, I don't know. We're not only fed a billion, but now, because of the war in Ukraine, most people are unaware of it. The news doesn't even talk about it. But that's the breadbasket for most of Africa. So there are 11 nations that are on the realm or on the edge of famine. And then, you know, we need, obviously, fertilizer.
50% of the world's food comes from fertilizer. The WF doesn't want people to use it, but we need it. And because of the war, most of it comes from Russia. So the price has gone through the roof. So normally there's 80 million people a year that are on the verge of starvation. This year it's 350 million. And so I decided, I met with the head of the food program for the UN.
50% of the world's food comes from fertilizer. The WF doesn't want people to use it, but we need it. And because of the war, most of it comes from Russia. So the price has gone through the roof. So normally there's 80 million people a year that are on the verge of starvation. This year it's 350 million. And so I decided, I met with the head of the food program for the UN.
It was a gentleman here that was Unbelievable. And what he'd done, he won the, what I said, the Nobel Prize two years ago for feeding people. So he and I joined together and created 100 billion meals. I said, how many do we need to bridge the gap? He said about 70 billion. I said, let's do 100 billion meals in 10 years. I did a billion. I wasn't a billionaire when I started.
It was a gentleman here that was Unbelievable. And what he'd done, he won the, what I said, the Nobel Prize two years ago for feeding people. So he and I joined together and created 100 billion meals. I said, how many do we need to bridge the gap? He said about 70 billion. I said, let's do 100 billion meals in 10 years. I did a billion. I wasn't a billionaire when I started.
I said, so I've grown, obviously, to make that happen. But all we need is 99 people like me and we can do this, right? And so we went out to do it and we announced a few days ago, we had 30 billion meals already in the first two years. Most people thought it would be totally impossible. So we're going to make that happen. But here's what I wanted you to get.
I said, so I've grown, obviously, to make that happen. But all we need is 99 people like me and we can do this, right? And so we went out to do it and we announced a few days ago, we had 30 billion meals already in the first two years. Most people thought it would be totally impossible. So we're going to make that happen. But here's what I wanted you to get.
If I was a well-fed child, do you think I'd be working this hard? I know, you know, I'm proud to be a good human being. I believe I'm a good human being, but I don't think I would have that same drive. So I think hunger often comes, not always, often comes from having gone through enough pain. Like I've suffered enough. I don't want somebody else to suffer.
If I was a well-fed child, do you think I'd be working this hard? I know, you know, I'm proud to be a good human being. I believe I'm a good human being, but I don't think I would have that same drive. So I think hunger often comes, not always, often comes from having gone through enough pain. Like I've suffered enough. I don't want somebody else to suffer.
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I can't skip. It's Daily Mail, so we're pulling straight from their website.
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Five seconds. Fifteen, but yet close.
Five seconds. Fifteen, but yet close.
2016, March of 2016. Okay.
2016, March of 2016. Okay.
2015.
2015.
250,000.
250,000.
Sie haben es gerade herausgefunden. Das ist eine Schicht, die zeigt, dass von 2001 bis 2021, in 20 Jahren, die muslimische Bevölkerung in Kanada mehr als doppelt ist, von 2,0% bis 4,9% auf der ganzen Welt. Wie war das mit dem Krimi in Kanada? Ich bin interessiert.
Sie haben es gerade herausgefunden. Das ist eine Schicht, die zeigt, dass von 2001 bis 2021, in 20 Jahren, die muslimische Bevölkerung in Kanada mehr als doppelt ist, von 2,0% bis 4,9% auf der ganzen Welt. Wie war das mit dem Krimi in Kanada? Ich bin interessiert.
2015.
2015.
Yep, it says up in the top corner, March 20th.
Yep, it says up in the top corner, March 20th.
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338.
The debates. When we did the debate watch party.
The debates. When we did the debate watch party.
So I have a full news article, but it's about four minutes long. I also have this clip of DeSantis. It's about ten seconds long, where he talks about the raises for law enforcement officers.
So I have a full news article, but it's about four minutes long. I also have this clip of DeSantis. It's about ten seconds long, where he talks about the raises for law enforcement officers.
This is footage of the shooter on the campus.
This is footage of the shooter on the campus.
This is students hiding in a classroom as police are going around banging on the doors. The students didn't know whether or not to answer the door, so they hid and opened up their cameras.
This is students hiding in a classroom as police are going around banging on the doors. The students didn't know whether or not to answer the door, so they hid and opened up their cameras.
Kalahasi-Polizeichief.
Kalahasi-Polizeichief.
Nein, gib mir eine.
Nein, gib mir eine.
5.78.
5.78.
This is the door being opened from the inside.
This is the door being opened from the inside.
77, 78?
77, 78?
Mika Brzezinski.
Mika Brzezinski.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Go for it. He said, you know what, I want to go up to 155 pounds, fight the number one contender, and then if he wins that, then he fights Islam. I think that's good, brother. I think he deserves. I think if you move up and you beat somebody like Dustin Poirier or Charles Oliveira, He's next. Why not? Because there is nobody. So you don't think right now Ilya deserves a shot at 155 pounds?
Go for it. He said, you know what, I want to go up to 155 pounds, fight the number one contender, and then if he wins that, then he fights Islam. I think that's good, brother. I think he deserves. I think if you move up and you beat somebody like Dustin Poirier or Charles Oliveira, He's next. Why not? Because there is nobody. So you don't think right now Ilya deserves a shot at 155 pounds?
Without fighting in 155? Without? No, I don't think. Because Islam already gives chance. And people talk bad about, like, oh, he fight two time with Volkanovski. But the UFC pushed this fight. And this fight was good in first fight. But why Islam have to give three time chance for 145 champion? Why? It's not fair for 155 pounds. Right, right.
Without fighting in 155? Without? No, I don't think. Because Islam already gives chance. And people talk bad about, like, oh, he fight two time with Volkanovski. But the UFC pushed this fight. And this fight was good in first fight. But why Islam have to give three time chance for 145 champion? Why? It's not fair for 155 pounds. Right, right.
I like Charles, but I think so too. I think Ilya can beat him.
I like Charles, but I think so too. I think Ilya can beat him.
Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm supposed to take sweet victory. I know this life meant for me. Adam, what's your point?
Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm supposed to take sweet victory. I know this life meant for me. Adam, what's your point?
That's just how many, according to ChatGPT.
That's just how many, according to ChatGPT.
Do you have it, Rob? Yep, the necessity. And what would you like me to ask ChatGP to?
Do you have it, Rob? Yep, the necessity. And what would you like me to ask ChatGP to?
I can do that. It only allows you to upload 10 at a time. That's the biggest problem.
I can do that. It only allows you to upload 10 at a time. That's the biggest problem.
Yeah, I'm at about 21 different documents.
Yeah, I'm at about 21 different documents.
$10 million up front.
$10 million up front.
To Robert Downey Jr. as well as back-end deals tied to the film's performance. And then for the third one, a salary of $10 million with total earnings reportedly reaching $50 million, which include profit participation. Man.
To Robert Downey Jr. as well as back-end deals tied to the film's performance. And then for the third one, a salary of $10 million with total earnings reportedly reaching $50 million, which include profit participation. Man.
DJ Larry. Oh, no. My dad smells like piss.
DJ Larry. Oh, no. My dad smells like piss.
Tiny Tim and it's almost Christmas.
Tiny Tim and it's almost Christmas.
DJ Larry. Oh, no. My dad smells like piss.
Tiny Tim and it's almost Christmas.