Kelsey
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Yeah, that's what I want to know. What made you start TikTok? Was it like a pandemic, 2020?
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With your cream cheese. That was probably... With my cream cheese. Throwing it in a pot.
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For sure. Jazz is just like, text us if you need help. Right. She's like, we're doing a podcast. I'm like, okay. I'm like, are y'all in or y'all not in?
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There you go. Awesome. Well, Ariel? I'm Ariel. I'm the caboose, I guess. No. So I'm a mom of two. I have a four-year-old and an eight-year-old. I'm also a registered nurse, but that's only part-time now since I had my kids. I really am more of a stay-at-home mom. I'm home six days out of the seven of the week, and then I work the one day a week. But I do absolutely love it.
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It's probably something I'll never stop. I am only on TikTok because of these people right here. Because I wanted nothing to do with it. So you never had an account before? I had an account, but I never got one.
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She made me. Jasmine made me post as well. Yes. For everyone who says that we ride on their back for status. Jasmine literally made us start posting. She's just your biggest hype girl. She really is.
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You have to be yourself. I feel like people can sniff out if you're fake.
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Well, I mean, if you're real, you are the most helpful person. You will show anybody anything if they ask.
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great help she always wants to see other women and that's how it should be like i do not get this mentality of beating other people especially other women down just to make yourself feel better like there's room for everybody and like we should be uplifting people social media there's a whole side of tiktok we're not even on no all of our for you pages are different yeah we all watch different people yeah but there are so many people somebody will send them like i've never seen that person in my life
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That is like a whole other side of TikTok that we don't even know about. Like, it's so big.
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And it's crazy because I've had a couple people say they've seen me first and they're like, oh, I follow Jasmine and Valerie through you. And I'm like, that's weird because I've got like $3,000. But it just depends on what's popping up on their page.
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I feel like YouTube is kind of hard to grow on, though. It is. Because there's so many. It is.
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Exactly. All my lives are get ready with me, hair wash, doing my hair, and literally people are constantly asking questions. Like, how do you do that? What products do you use? And it's much easier and less nerve-wracking on yourself when you're doing something because you're distracting yourself, right?
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Time goes by so much faster. For sure. Well, then I do that, then I get sidetracked. I'm like, I'm not going to fold this right now. One load of laundry takes an hour to fold.
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That's more for fun and just engagement. Only if you send a gift. But TikTok takes 50% of it. 50% or more. We made $1.67 yesterday.
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I think the most I made was like $3 in this because one of y'all gave me like a teddy bear or something.
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It has its pros and its cons. I mean, I wouldn't have y'all as friends without TikTok. So I'm grateful for just for that. Well, no, we met. I mean, yeah, but you wouldn't have known Valerie if it wasn't for TikTok. Like we would not have this friend group. We'd be the three moms. Yeah. We'd be the three moms. We'd be the three moms. Yeah.
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I know. Our friend group is really one of the greatest. And yes, I said friend group. Yeah, and we're not 15, one of the greatest, because we all get along. All of our husbands get along. All of our kids get along really well. I mean, they've never fought ever.
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Like we get together because we want to be together. We're literally hanging out, like talking, chatting. Yeah. Cracking off. Kelsey's making us laugh. Yes, for sure. I'm trying to kill everybody with my shots. We're going to call him Sully. Especially when me and Sully are drinking. Since we have two Joshes, I don't want y'all to think I'm talking about my Josh.
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Kelsey would be so viral if she... Like I said last night, TikTok is not... It wasn't a job for me at first. I just did it for fun. I do it for fun. Now, if I was my crazy self all the time, I'd be like 10 million followers. But I just haven't You're so funny. I haven't put that much work into it because it wasn't, like, a job for me. I didn't want it to be a job. I wanted it to be fun.
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and he's saying what he's got to say and sometimes that's a good thing and sometimes that's a very bad thing he never means it like mean yeah no like we know he's not being mean but anybody else would be like oh yeah it comes off if you're from the outside it can come off like that but if you know josh you know he's picking yeah like he calls my husband bald head and my husband does have a bald head but
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It's unaffected. So speaking of my husband, Eric hated your husband. Yes. When they first met because of that. Yes. Like they want to, because of how like I've spoken to him and pick like he picks, you know? Yeah. And Eric would come home and be like this at work. I can't. And then now we're all like best friends, you know, it's crazy.
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yeah but yeah he definitely hated josh oh yeah he hated josh like wanted to move offices hate it yeah i don't know it was that bad yeah he could not stand josh yeah well how long did so how long did they work together before i was like eight months because i remember jazz um y'all made plans i was in beaumont visiting eric and y'all made plans to go to a margarita festival and josh invited us and the kids and i'm like i don't need no friends like i
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I'm not going to meet this strange woman. Like, this is stupid. And we bailed. And then a few months later in October at the company party or whatever, Jazz and I met for the first time. And it's history after that. Like, we immediately hit it off. We didn't want to go that night, I think. She didn't. Josh or her. We convinced Josh to go when he brought her.
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For one, I didn't have an outfit. She didn't have an outfit. Nothing. I literally just threw something together. I know. I was the least dressed person. I saw her Snapchat. I'm like, looks like you're having fun. She's over here sending a Snapchat. She's like, look at her. We're in a strip club. Yeah. Thank you.
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And y'all, Jazz is very quick to like, I feel like you're very friendly. So you're like very...
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quick to meet people and you like them you invite them because like literally i met this girl and the next week like three days later she's inviting me to lunch with i remember when she met you she said i'm bringing my new friend are y'all good with it well she really didn't say y'all get with it she said i'm bringing my new friend is that okay yes but i remember when you met her they were taking shots together at a christmas party right yeah it was you her and somebody else from work
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Oh. Yeah, that Christmas party. That was the first time I ever met you. Oh, yeah, we ended up at the strip club.
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But she ain't going to take the shot. Hold on. She's not going to take the shot. She's going to sip it, and then all of us got to down it. No, no.
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sorry and then kelsey i met i just literally was invited to her house for your christmas party i never met this chick i'm just rolling up in her house they're setting up balloons i'm like hi i'm the new friend it's crazy that it's only been two years and we cannot remember yeah i know it feels like we've known each other forever yeah i think when it clicks it clicks you know
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Yeah. And I think we each have, like, very different personalities that mesh really well together. And I think that's why we've become such close friends. Yeah. You know, we kind of compliment each other.
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I kind of missed that one, though, you know? But this is fun. War of the Moms is perfect.
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fight but then we were going back and forth and she's like no we're wearing this no we're wearing this what am i supposed to wear here's valerie well i don't know what to wear either right but kelsey and jasmine both have very strong opinions on that kind of stuff so i think that's where and me and val are just like i will wear whatever the frick you want me to wear
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And then she said blazer. So what I did, go on Amazon, hurry up and order one. Because I'm like, we got three days. We got three days for this to be here. Kelsey, you ordered yours and sent us the link. It was like, order this.
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Oh, yeah. And I'm like, well, if hers is quarter sleeve, you cannot wear a long sleeve. She probably got hers from a boutique. And by the time she told us, the only option I had was Amazon. Like, there was nothing. Well, I haven't had mine for years. It was the very last minute. I don't own a blazer. I'm not a professional person.
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yeah same i mean i'm not either jazz i feel like you have like very put together outfits so like in that sense like business casual i'm like all jeans and and workout clothes usually we always sending kelsey what we want yeah yeah kelsey yeah kelsey dresses us for sure we have family pictures uh kelsey is dressing us but you have that pageant background right so yeah you're really good at it
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I will obsess over, like, my kid. Like, when we do family photos, I obsess over it to the point.
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Somebody asked me on live to bring out videos and pictures, but they're all, like, VHS tapes.
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yep and i dance competition too oh that makes sense though that totally makes sense i only did that for like six years though i want to see pictures oh same you got to bring them out yeah i want to see the home recording we have like a bucket of like pictures like and then once my grandma passed away we got her all her vhs tapes but we have to have like a vhs player of course you know so i don't know how to like digitalize them like i have to send them off probably you can send them off yeah yeah for sure
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But yes. I did pageants. I was a pageant girly. I guess I'll go next. It comes naturally. Yeah. Especially, like, when I have to do, like, once I got older, I had to do interviews. I didn't like that part. I just, yeah, no. But anyways, I'm Kelsey. Nice to meet y'all. Y'all think I'm the quiet one, but. Nope, she's the loudest. I'm really not. I'm the loudest one, for sure. The funniest.
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funniest loudest she is okay if y'all know my husband josh she is a josh junior female version of josh literally they will make you laugh until you cry y'all only get a small glimpse of my life on tiktok because i don't post i don't post a lot i'll go live but i don't post very much but if you know me in real life then you know We should post the Hoodrat Hoochie Mama group chat.
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That's where you come alive. We'd be in trouble. We'd be in trouble. But I'm married. I have a husband. His name is Josh, too. I have two kids. I have two little girls. Mine are the youngest. I have a three-year-old and a five-year-old. Jesus. They're precious. And they are my babies. They give me a run for my money for sure.
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People ask if they have the same dad. I'm like, yes. It is crazy, though. Genetics just happened at that point, okay? But I'm a stay-at-home mom. I used to work in a doctor's office. And I quit my job when I was, like, seven months pregnant for Charlie. And I've been home ever since. I enjoy staying home, cooking, cleaning, running the roads. That's pretty much it. We travel. We like to hang out.
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i mean my kids are in dance josh she's a travel agent so if you need yeah i'm a travel agent i do specialize in disney booked our disney trip i do a lot of disney um i do cruises all inclusive um i've i do a couple things on the side so you ever need a travel agent hit me up yeah right um but that's pretty much it i'm not i don't have a very elaborate life um
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We're going to talk about everything under the sun. But if you have virgin ears, don't listen.
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Yes, I do. I do love Mardi Gras. Mardi Gras is my favorite holiday other than Halloween. I think Halloween would be my favorite. I do like Christmas, but I'm more of a Halloween girl.
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New Year's. Sound like my kids. But I would have to say Halloween is more of my favorite. We do way more for Halloween, I think. But like I said, me and Jasmine, we met through our husbands. We've been friends the longest. No offense, guys. No, I'm just kidding.
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You are. We've been friends the longest and I knew Jasmine before social media for all you people who say that I'm just riding on her back for her status. I am not. We've been friends for... I feel like if anything, I'm the newest that they've come at me for that. We've been friends for way longer than that. Way longer than that. Club chasers. I met Valerie through Jasmine.
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Don't listen. It may not be for you. Yeah. Or if you get offended easily, don't listen. I was just about to say, if you get your feelings hurt. Don't listen.
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We literally went on a camping trip. We were trying to figure this out the other day. I'm like... When did I first meet you? I've seen her at Evie's birthday. That was like what? Evie's like probably fourth birthday. Oh, yeah. Yep.
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No, fourth. Yeah, it had to be fourth. I met, I seen Valerie there. I mean, she complimented my kid's outfit, but we didn't really like hang out or anything. The first time we hung out was the camping trip for Father's Day. And then like a week later, we all went on the girls trip together. That was my first girls trip I got to go on.
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oh we turned up yeah i remember that we had the best time i felt like i knew them for 10 years yeah y'all they are the most realist yeah people they will make you laugh they are freaking hilarious the first time i met them was at this past girls beach trip and it like you said it's like we just all clicked honestly girls trip would be i mean we would have fun but it would not be as fun without those ttb girls for sure
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They definitely bring the show. Austin is not ready for us. Austin is not ready. At least we finally booked something. I know, right? Kelsey, not everybody's a planner like you are. Some of us like to wait until the last minute.
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We're going to have to do that on the way in because it's out of town. Is it? Oh no, we can Uber. No, it's like 45 minutes. 30-40 minutes from downtown. We'll make a pit stop. Yeah.
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It's on the way going in. No, it's on going away out of town, out of Austin. So we have to like make a separate trip for that. We'd have to make a separate trip. But that'd be all right. Don't they do like chores? Valerie, you need to message them and see if they'll come pick us up. She's been emailing them for a while for a partnership. They won't answer.
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I should have brought it. It's in my freezer. You didn't taste it at the Mardi Gras? I guess not.
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Okay, Valerie. Spray her throat. Josh, she's in the office. I'm like, what are you doing? Your throat's numb as hell. It's not going to get any better. No, just the more. Just keep spraying. It's all in it. It's a placebo. And then, like I said, Ariel, we met. Christmas party. Yeah, Christmas party at Kelsey's house was the first time I met Kelsey.
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Introduce yourself. Send her to the nurse. They can cut all this out. Introduce yourself. She doesn't need an introduction.
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And that's kind of why we're doing this is because we're tired of it. We know we put our life on social media. We understand y'all have questions. That is completely understandable.
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That was my biggest problem, too, was, you know, we started traveling when Ella was two weeks old. So first time mom, I practically raised myself and my sisters. Yeah. And I... Started traveling with Josh. We hit the road when our oldest was two weeks old. And I'm like, what the hell am I doing? Yeah. You know, I didn't have nobody there to help me. We stayed gone on the road for years.
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We didn't come back home. Yeah. To visit, you know, like periodically. But no, we were... It was just me. Josh was working a turnaround for a lot of it. And he was working 7-12s. And don't get me wrong. He helps. He helps a lot. He'll do the dishes. He cooks. Yeah. You know, Josh helps. But... It's just different whenever you're a mom. Yeah. Like, it's tiring. Right.
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And then, you know, people judge you if you... And, you know, I didn't have that. I did not leave my kids with anyone, you know, like, especially on the road. I knew no one. Yeah. But whenever you do... They judge you because they're like, oh, you stay at home. Why do you need a break? Just because you stay at home doesn't mean that you don't deserve a break. You know, if anything.
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Right. Y'all don't know a tenth of what happened. Y'all literally do not know a tenth.
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Yeah. You know, that's not for the world. I'm not going to air all that girl's business.
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No, but that's just like the little everyday things, you know? I do. I feel bad for, you know, those moms that don't have that help.
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Yeah, definitely. My biggest thing I can tell you is just, for one, try your best and just try to make some alone time for you. Even if you, you know, try to just get into a better routine with the kids to where you have more alone time, even if it's at home. Yeah. You know, go take a hot bath or... Yeah.
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You know, and, you know, not all parents have, like, baby monitors. You know, some people may not be able to afford it. My biggest suggestion is FaceTime another phone.
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Yeah. But no, I mean, I'm not on here to bash her. I'm not on here to hate on her. But just know that y'all don't know a fraction of the truth.
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Yeah, everybody. We all have regrets. Over-stimulated. Yeah. I feel like the times that I did live with my mom, she yelled so much. So I try not to yell-
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And then after I do yell and they finally listen, I feel like a maniac. They're like, you're being loud. I feel horrible.
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It's hard not to be a reactive parent. It really is. And like Ella, she's my soft hearted one. You just look at her wrong and she's crying. Hayden's is the same. Evie, open up your hand.
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um that's the key word truth we have always been there for her supported always any anytime um we always wanted her to be included yes we've even absolutely paid her way for the girl's truck yeah because and it was my idea i'll be the first to say it never got a thank you um that was i felt bad i said i would say that did it for me
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And it's some motivation. Ariel is very motivated, though. She works out every single day. Oh, I know. She does not miss a thing. I know. That's why she's got a hot body. I'm trying to be more like them. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not. So you just need to come to parties. We're going tonight, 6.30 p.m.
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Turn up the music. Even if you can't afford that, just find some time to yourself. Go for a walk. Go for a walk. Go for a jog. Go to the park.
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It's like time goes by. It's like so slow, but so fast at the same time. Because it's like, you know, you wake up and by the time it's the end of the day.
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That is so true. It is so true. And it's just like, where did the time go? Like, I can't believe we've already been friends for almost three years. And it seems like longer, but it's not. Time is a crazy thing. But I guess that's a wrap for the questions. Pretty soon the husbands will be coming along.
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Yes. My husband's dropping me off, so I'll have a lemon drop in my hand. Don't want to hear it. Yes, we're not driving.
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Yes, for sure. All right, that's a wrap for episode two on For the Moms.
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yeah um and that that's mainly what did it in but then several other things um lies so many lies that we caught her in and the sad thing is we were always there for her we never judged her even whenever she made the choices she did we still tried to support her I feel like there was no reason to ever lie like and it's just like she couldn't keep up with the lies you know we would catch her time and time again and I hate that um
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I don't know why she ever felt the need to lie. We were very understanding, I felt like. More than so. But no, there's no hate. I wish her the best on her new journey in life and her little family. I have nothing else for her. I will say it rubbed me the wrong way whenever I saw her humiliate someone on live not long ago.
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That hurt me. Same person at all. No, at all. Whenever I saw that, her laughing about somebody's downfall, that rubbed me the wrong way. I was like, that is shitty. Yeah.
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No. You know? You're right. You're right about that. And that person has done so much for her and her daughter. Yeah. And just to do that on a platform with hundreds and thousands of people watching, that was shoddy. Embarrassing. She embarrassed herself. Yeah. But that just made me feel a different type of way about her. Yeah. For sure.
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So last episode, we kind of left off and we said that I met someone through Valerie from social media. Yeah. We're no longer friends. And that was one of the questions. Just kind of clarifying what happened.
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All right, y'all, we're back for episode two. This episode, we are going to touch a little bit on the questions our Patreon members had and a few of our Facebook posts. People had some questions they wanted to answer. This podcast is brought to you by Q&A Network. I'm Kelsey. I'm Jasmine. I'm Valerie. And I'm Ariel. And we are For The Moms.
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It was draining. Yeah. We were drained. That's another thing is, you know, sometimes it might hurt to kick someone out of your life. And I feel like we're going to kind of do an episode about that because I have like a lot of childhood trauma and me like distancing myself from certain family members. I'm definitely going to get into that on like a little childhood trauma episode.
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I feel like we all kind of have mommy issues. Yes. Yes. But stand up for yourself and do what's best for you. Keep your peace. Yes, keep your peace. Even if it comes with some hate or negativity, do what is best for you at the end of the day. Because at the end of the day, nobody else matters other than you. It doesn't matter what people think, you know, and people think they know.
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You have to do what's best for you. And that's all it is, you know? But no, I wish her the best. And that's really all I have to say about it. So many of y'all have asked. So I hope y'all tune in to this episode, even if you don't watch any other ones. So y'all can stop asking because literally we cannot get online.
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If y'all could see our filtered comments, our filtered comment section on saying how shitty of a friend we are for not going to her events. That's.
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Terrible? No. Okay. Brandy asks, how has it been adjusting to life not traveling and staying in one place? How did the girls do with the adjustment? It's different. I think it's more cleaning my house versus the camper.
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I feel like Valerie warned you about that too. She's like, wait till you have a house to clean. It's been terrible. I have tried my best not to hire a house cleaner just because in my mind, I'm like... I stay at home. Although I work social media and I am truly busy a lot of times.
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Especially now that we're doing the podcast and I'm having to make posts for that and create these things and stuff like that and all of that. It's literally double the work now. But in my mind, it's like I stay at home. Why can't I keep up? But that's been the biggest thing for me is cleaning. Girls have...
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pretty much adjust it well ella has adjusted amazingly evie she hates her bedroom since when oh since like day one no the first about two weeks she loved her room she slept in her room she doesn't even want to go in there to play unless like kids are over oh that's so funny she i think they forgot to cut the envelope record She's attached, y'all. It's bad. She is. She loves her mama.
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I lay in the bathtub just to relax. She's making a tablet on the floor.
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Yeah, literally. She's so cute, though. It's terrible. Quite literally terrible. Um, and then she also asks, would I do it again if needed? So actually I would have kept traveling. If we were not in one spot in Texas, I would have went on another job. Only mainly probably like up north. I wouldn't have done south because I'm tired of Texas, Louisiana area.
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So Juju and Alyssa wanted to know about her on Patreon. So we were just going to get into that really quick. There's no hate. There's no.
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Um, I would have traveled another year or two. I didn't mind it. My biggest downfall was staying in one place for so long in the camper. Um, but I don't know. I might, would do it. Just depends on the area, how long it would be for.
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Um, Destiny wants to know what was the hardest part about traveling full time? Probably missing out on family events. Um, you know, we had to miss a few funerals, um, for family members that was pretty close to us just cause we were so far away and just couldn't get home. Um, and I'd say that's the biggest thing is family time. Um, birthdays.
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I feel like I probably didn't have a lot of help on the road either. None. Yeah. It was just you and Josh and the girls. So, um, We went, the very first time I left Evie was for my birthday when we went to New Orleans for Kelsey. She was five years old when I left her for the very first time. Now, take that, like, my mother-in-law might have kept her for an hour. Right.
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Um, so yeah, I would definitely say, you know, just missing out on family things and no help. It was literally just me, Josh and the kids. Um, and then let's see. All right. Uh, Valerie actually wants to know, how did you meet Mark?
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Yeah. If she called me today and needed something, I'd be there. Yeah.
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Of lies. Yeah. And I feel like me and Valerie have been portrayed as these mean girls or these horrible friends. Especially, like, whenever the baby shower and gender reveal came around and we didn't go.
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Hey, me and Josh, I don't know if I've... I feel like when you know, you know. And I felt like with Mark, I knew.
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I just slowly kept bringing stuff every time I'd come for the weekend. Me and Josh moved super fast. Super fast. Eric and I did too.
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and we've all been married for how long like pretty much 10 years right about me and Josh have been together 11 years we've been married 8 years okay so we've been together 11 married 10 and we moved pretty fast married 8 years so when you know you know like we were we are gonna be married 10 and been together 12 well me and Josh were engaged for practically the whole time we were together yeah yeah we're living yeah yeah we just didn't get married until no 2017 yeah yeah
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Q&A with the Moms
Well, Jerry thinks it's a good idea if we all write a cookbook. She's asking if we'd ever consider it.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
We do have that in the works. We're going to do some cooking videos here in the studio. That's going to be fun. That is going to be really fun.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
That's when shit pretty much hit the fan. Yeah. Because any time, and I can pull this up, it's in black and white, it's recorded. Any time either one of us got on live... Several, several, several comments. Y'all are shitty friends. Why didn't y'all go? And they still comment. I've never been on a live where her name is not brought up. Yes. And it just gets old.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
She said, I am not drinking this. This is a no. Not good. This is a no for me. Somebody said, where's the espresso?
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
But they have espresso. Yeah. Yeah. A different taste. TTV girls love them some espresso martinis. Oh, yeah.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I remember them very explicitly. One was from her dad, one was from her mom, saying that it was an abomination, that I was poisoning Morgan, that I took her away from the life of Christ. It didn't help that the person Morgan was waiting for to come back from a mission had come back, and they had really hoped that she would marry him. Every time I got a message from them, it was very nasty.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
Morgan's very sacred and pure, stop this now before you ruin that forever for her. Like they deeply wanted to make me hate myself so I didn't feel deserving of Morgan. The messages were overwhelming. After a couple months, it got complicated very quickly. It was just that feeling of thinking that I was destroying someone's salvation. It was taxing emotionally.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
It's like, I'm with you. I care about you. But like, I can't process this with you all the time. I think I started feeling like she needs to branch out. Like I realistically can't be everything for her.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
That intimate connection felt like it stayed at camp. In the real world, it was kind of hard to sustain because I had a lot of ambition. I was really excited about starting my life somewhere new. And it just suddenly was like, oh, this is kind of affecting my ability to be present at work and school. And I'm really rigid about doing right by my career. So Kelsey made a tough decision.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
Ultimately, I came home from school one day and said this is not what I want anymore and I think it's better if we break up she said okay and then left which she would do a lot when she was trying to process something she would go for a run so she went for a run and came back and I was already asleep and she was asleep and we went to bed
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I sat down with her and she had explained that she had been hiding something from me that she didn't want to talk to me about because she didn't want to burden me with it, but she just got really bad news. I honestly thought at the time that it was something with her parents. But it wasn't about her parents.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
That's when she shared that she had been living with terminal bone cancer and she was in remission. But her doctors gave her the prognosis when she was at the doctor today that she had three months to live.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I asked her more details. She said she was diagnosed when she first went to college. She had an injury, a bone break. They did some testing and they discovered that she had cancer. She was fighting it for about a semester, but she beat that bout and then hadn't had a recurrence until that day. She was so flooded with grief for Morgan that the breakup became an afterthought.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I remember feeling so deeply sad because my breakup with Morgan was never about not loving her. I cared about her so deeply. The thought of her dying was insane to me and felt so unfair, especially to have this prognosis with her family not being very close. I was devastated for her.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
We were sobbing, and then we went to bed, and I remember holding her, thinking, no, no, this is like my partner going through cancer. This isn't, oh, my ex-girlfriend from yesterday. This was someone I love so deeply, dying. Like, this really is the end of someone's life. The next morning, Kelsey woke up with a new perspective. It changed the way I framed our relationship.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I felt grateful that she was alive and I was ready to figure this out together.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
She's like, I already have a plan with my doctor. We're going to start treatment. It's really unlikely that I'll survive this treatment, but it's worthy of taking a shot. And so that's what she did.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
The next few weeks, she was doing treatment all the time, like four or five times a week. She would leave the house and come back really tired and struggle to keep a conversation, struggle to stay awake. She was just deeply impacted by the treatment. Quickly, Kelsey took on a caretaker role. I started really doing some research and taking care of her. I was making meals.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I distinctly remember trying to complete homework and being like, I can't finish this. She's puking somewhere, thinking like, get your priorities straight. This is someone's life. This is the end of their human life. And you're worried about not finishing this math problem?
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
Like why was I wasting my time on these early morning classes for like my own benefit when she only had a few months left to live? I just suddenly felt selfish and stupid. And that's really the moment that I reframed my entire life. For the first time in her life, Kelsey let school take a backseat.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I was letting go of a lot of things I'd worked my whole life toward, but I was like, I can do this for three months for somebody to enjoy the last few months of their life.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
She considered her like a second mom. We drove out of state to visit her. This family friend was with her when Morgan got her first diagnosis of having bone cancer. And she was with her when she was doing IV treatments. To meet someone who was so intimately involved with her treatments, I felt really bonded right away. I remember her saying I didn't even know what I was doing.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I just got kind of thrown into this. I was like, I didn't know what I was doing either.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
Her attorney had shared with her that when she died, her health payout would be really big and it would go to her parents because that's next of kin. And that was really overwhelming for her. Like she had fought so hard for her queerness and now suddenly in her death as a queer woman, all this money would be granted to her parents.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
But if she were married to me, then I would get to decide where that money goes.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
Of course, whatever you need to do what you want to do with the end of your life. So for her, this was a really meaningful way of honoring her life. So we agreed that we would get married.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I tried to make our life so joyful and loving and silly. And that's how we just tried to spend our time. We didn't have very much left.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
She would go to treatment and come back and throw up. She was tired all the time. I remember coming home from work and she'd have like fallen over. She seemed very weak to me. And this is also how my mom would describe her treatments going through breast cancer. Morgan would like lose her hair. I'd come home and she'd have taken a nap and she'd have hair on the pillow.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
She was very, very clear that this was her private journey and that she had already burdened me enough and she didn't want me to lose work or lose school.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
By that time, we had gotten word that she'd beat that bout of cancer. There was a lot of medical language, but essentially, it was like... we're doing good hold on not you'll live but like I'm feeling okay today and for the next couple weeks because I think this treatment is working
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I still worked full time. I still finished my degree. By the time graduation came around, I just like barely made it. Like I barely emotionally, physically, spiritually made it. I just remember being an empty person when my family came for graduation. I just felt like nothing.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I was able to stand alongside the valedictorian, which... would have been me and share my story about what happened with my partner, like what it really meant for me to give up my schooling in order to help someone I loved.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
She didn't feel good enough to fly, but she did feel good enough to drive. So that's when we booked our trip for our wedding ceremony.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
There was something really beautiful and intimate. It felt like the end to me. She just didn't seem all there. But there's something about being in nature together and our dynamic started in nature. It was actually really beautiful. The whole trip we took disposable cameras and It was very fleeting and lovely.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
And I remember one of the nights just before we had our ceremony, we slept on the beach of the Lost Coast and there was something really poetic about waking up. Morgan was still sleeping and I got out of the tent and like looked out into the ocean and just thought like, if I can love someone this big, one day after Morgan's passing, someone will be able to love me in this way back.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
We wrote our vows on, like, hotel napkins. Like, my white dress is in the corner. I'm, like, sitting down with this piece of paper, and I suddenly didn't know what to say. I feel like vows are for promising to someone, but I don't know how to promise something to her in her death. Like, it just suddenly felt wrong. Maybe it was nerves. She couldn't help but overthink the whole thing.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I got to stop thinking in my head, and so I kind of cleared my head of everything. And this was the commitment she made. Promising her that the memory of her and who I knew her to be and the love that people didn't get the chance to know, especially her family, that would live on.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
We drove into the woods and found a really neat tree. That was two trees that like corkscrewed into one. And there was like one little spot where you could squeeze into. And so we squeezed into these trees and signed the paperwork and we left.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
We drove back from California and I was like driving into the sun as it was going down thinking, I know in my heart that I've done everything that I possibly can for Morgan to feel loved well. Like I felt like I had finished what I needed to do. I remember her looking at me with a lot of love and like she saw me as a wife and Like, I almost felt her relief. Like, okay, got it.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
Everything's going to be okay. I obviously interpret that differently now.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
My mom was the first one to be like, does this seem off at all to you? It was really the first time someone said something that made me think, what do you mean off? Like I was immediately defensive.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
We're legally married and now... Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for watching.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
When I hear other people's horrific stories of things that have happened to them, I now have a lens of what a human experience to love so deeply that we're willing to suspend disbelief that high is like. I truly believe that deception really comes from a deep desire to be loved. And I can sympathize with a desire to be loved.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
My dad was really abusive to all of us kids and my mom. And so my mom was finally able to get out when I was about three months old. She packed all of us up, left my dad, and drove cross-country to my mom's hometown. That's where I spent most of my life.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
He actually went to prison after my mom left. And if he got out of prison, there was this fear that my dad would find us one day.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I remember my mom would like brush out my hair so I looked more white. And so I looked like the other Mormon girls in town. And then essentially told me not to talk about my background, which worked because she was also, I think, hiding us from my dad in prison.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
It was finally getting away from my dad, but then she had a bout of cancer she thought she was going to die from.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
And that was definitely on purpose. I think that she wanted to be super careful. And even when I asked her about it, I even remember her saying, this was private, this is adult things. I don't want to scare you. I'm protecting you from this information. Kelsey's escape was the Girl Scouts.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I had this tiny pocket of girlhood that was so fun, like waiting once a week with my girlfriends to earn badges. When I think about where I felt like I mattered most, it was there.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I would go for weeks at a time. I just loved summer camp. I was meeting women who were older than me, who were models of what it was like to really be yourself. Oh, I have the best memories at Girl Scout camp.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I just thought they were so special and cool. I just thought, that's it. I'll be there one day.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I'm going to do whatever it takes to get out of the state I was raised in and really find myself. So I got perfect grades and worked really hard in school. But this was also around the same time that I fell in love for the first time and I fell in love with a girl in the grade above me.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
At the time, I think I was afraid of being gay. Definitely afraid of the implications of it.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I loved being on my own for the first time. I came out and openly had a relationship and thought that was so special. And I was doing really good in school.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I transferred to the public university. I was just pretty isolated and it wasn't the dream for me, but it's all I could afford.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I was doing real programming work and I went to summer camp that year early because senior staff meets early before counselors get there.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I had a lot of friends at camp, like I had been really established there. This was the first work experience I ever had when I was out. And for the first time at camp, we had other queer people. They really diversified our pool of hiring that year.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I remember her walking into the office. She was very sporty, so she had the classic REI look, and then the cut-off hair, and she just had the most beautiful eyes. I just remember thinking, ah, mostly because it was the most radical thing I'd ever known for someone to cut off their hair. When they first met, Morgan was shy.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
but she and Morgan had a close mutual friend in common. My other camp friend really vouched for her and was like, trust me when she opens up, you're gonna love her. And over time she did. It felt like she chose Kelsey. I felt really honored. I just felt like she kind of opened up more to me. I felt really privileged to be the one person that she was opening up to.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
Like we would spend the weekend after training just talking. And everyone was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe you got her to talk to you. That's how shy she was. And she was telling me like really intimate details about her life.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
She had shared about some sexual assault, body dysmorphia, struggles with an eating disorder. I just felt like I really knew her.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
In camp time, that's three years. It's a massive amount of time that people don't normally get to spend in a very intense environment where you're like growing and learning and changing about yourself and finding things from kids and teaching kids of remarkable things that change you. It really is a lifetime together.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
Camp relationships are famously passionate and intense and destructive, which is why we avoid them at all costs.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
She had shared that she was really struggling with her eating disorder at camp. And eating with your campers is such a huge part of the experience, like you're with your campers 24-7. And we're really rigid at camp about calorie intake and water intake.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
She had gotten disciplinary write-ups from the camp director. If she didn't get it under control, this was not going to be the job for her.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
And so she was really nervous about losing her job because she really loved the work. I remember spending all of my free time. I got books from the local library and brought them up to camp and was reading about eating disorders. Like I really... became her resource to stay in. I was like, I'll help you stay. Don't worry. I've got this under control. And I really felt responsible for that.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
They were spending a lot of time together, even when they had days off. We would travel as friends, like off to go to Walmart and get face wipes or to a local festival. We tried to get as much time off from camp as possible. My outside of camp time became Morgan time.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
And I just think there was this little switch. One weekend, we were just alone for the first time really together. And then we kissed. Now it was clear that the attraction was mutual. After that week, we started sharing like a journal. So we had a notebook that we would write notes to each other and then keep it in a cubby. And then I'd write it, put it away, and she'd write it and put it away.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
And so we sort of had this very sweet romance at camp.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
She met with her parents, and I wasn't with her. I was in the parking lot, but I remember seeing them at a picnic bench. She came out to them, and it didn't go well. She got back in the car. She was like, they believe I'm living in sin. They think this is wrong. They think that any person who had influence over me is of the devil and that I should separate myself from those people.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
She was really, really emotional about it. Her parents' rejection brought the two of them even closer. It sort of deepened that connection. It was like, look what we're fighting for.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
We were all like, look how adult we are. We have our own space and our own beds. So it wasn't like, oh, I live with my girlfriend now. It was very much like we were just continuing the summer camp experience. I think we were on that high of the summer fling.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
Figuring out bus schedules, like everything was just really fun. I also remember doing paintball fights and making cookies and burning them for the neighbors. But soon, reality set in. I was working also a full-time job while I was in school because I had to pay for it. I was doing everything to put me on the trajectory to go to my master's program.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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And at this point, I was on track to be valedictorian. Kelsey's priority was school. We just weren't getting as much time together and we're like drifting a little bit.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Ask Charlie Anything 208: Fat Kids = Child Abuse? Afghanistan Alternatives? Is DCFS Abusive?
Hi, Charlie.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Ask Charlie Anything 208: Fat Kids = Child Abuse? Afghanistan Alternatives? Is DCFS Abusive?
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The Charlie Kirk Show
Ask Charlie Anything 208: Fat Kids = Child Abuse? Afghanistan Alternatives? Is DCFS Abusive?
Okay. So I'm great. Thank you. So this is thought crimey, but I'm interested in your thoughts in the spirit of Maha. So it is child abuse to not feed your child leading to low weight and malnutrition. Should it be child abuse to have an obese child? Thank you for all you do.
The Ramsey Show
The Hardest Decisions Are Often About Money & Relationships
So I've lived with crippling anxiety for as long as I can remember. How do I stop it from constantly coming up in different areas of my life?
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I cannot even function because I'm just crying.
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My mom left us when I was four. I truly felt like for a while I had no family.
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The Hardest Decisions Are Often About Money & Relationships
Scared of losing Paul, scared of doing the wrong thing, scared of not being enough.
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How do I get my inner child out of this relationship? Because I feel like she's running the show.
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I don't know what to do.
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So I've lived with crippling anxiety for as long as I can remember. How do I stop it from constantly coming up in different areas of my life?
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I'm a hairstylist and essentially a stay-at-home mom, too. Mm-hmm.
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Definitely. Stay on the same page. Stay in your own lane. Don't be looking at influencers and all the things that they try to tell you to go and buy.
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Because he knows a lot in his head, but I'm just like, what?
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I'm part time. So I go in a few days a week and do some hair and everything. But most of the time staying with the girls for about two years now.
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We have Emmy, who is five. And then Hannah, if she's going to join us, she is two.
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Oh, man. You've got some little ones.
The Ramsey Show
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So I've lived with crippling anxiety for as long as I can remember. How do I stop it from constantly coming up in different areas of my life?
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I'm ready to jump in.
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How do I get my inner child out of this relationship? Because I feel like she's running the show.
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So I've lived with crippling anxiety for as long as I can remember. How do I stop it from constantly coming up in different areas of my life?
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My mom left us when I was four. I truly felt like for a while I had no family.
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So I've lived with crippling anxiety for as long as I can remember. How do I stop it from constantly coming up in different areas of my life?
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So I've lived with crippling anxiety for as long as I can remember. How do I stop it from constantly coming up in different areas of my life?
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So I've lived with crippling anxiety for as long as I can remember. How do I stop it from constantly coming up in different areas of my life?
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I truly felt like for a while I had no family.
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I cannot even function because I'm just crying. My mom left us when I was four. I truly felt like for a while I had no family.
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He triggered me a lot. Scared of losing Paul, scared of doing the wrong thing, scared of not being enough.