Kelsey
Appearances
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I was really surprised when in late 2020, I got a Facebook message from Joanne.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
It was urgent. So we get on a Facebook video call and she's like, a couple months ago I was listening to a podcast about factitious disorder and it just sounds so much like Morgan that I just couldn't shake this feeling anymore.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I've been down a rabbit hole about Morgan, and I have proof that she had been diagnosed with factitious disorder before she ever met you. And I had proof that she was faking breaking her bones.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I got a Facebook message. She's like, I've been down a rabbit hole about Morgan. I have proof there's a lot more to this story. And that's when it really blew open.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
This is when she broke down all of her findings. She could on paper point to and say like, no, I got this record. This was a lie. And this statement from this person's a lie.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Morgan had told Joanne that she needed to start cancer treatments, and so she had supplies that she had brought back, and she was having Joanne administer cancer treatment intravenously. That's why Joanne had confirmed to me that she had cancer, because she's like, yeah, I was doing treatments with her when she had cancer. It was really scary. And so they bonded over that.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
It was like, oh my gosh, of course I'll help you. You're away from family.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Joanne had found out that Morgan had secured saline and like supplies to give herself IV treatments, but they were never actual treatments.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Morgan would come out of the hospital like having fixed her broken wrist and then would break it again and tell everyone that it was cancer related, that her cancer had come back. But in reality, she was going back to the doctor and being like, oh, my broken bone, will you fix it? And they would fix it.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
But after four or five times of this happening during that school year, they had actually had to blacklist her from the hospital because she had like exhausted the hospitals in that area.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
The fact that Morgan had been assigned this label and not allowed to get treatment at these hospitals anymore was like a really serious thing. And they had officially listed it as factitious. At the time it was called Munchausen. That's how they formally called it on her record. Like, do not treat her. This is unhealthy. And they had kept encouraging her to get psychiatric care.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
And so after lying about it to all the doctors in the city of her college, this is the summer that she met me.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Joanne was mutual friends with someone and that person didn't even know that Morgan was dying of cancer. She just started kind of hitting parts of the story that didn't make a lot of sense. That's why she kept trying to like tell me something but felt like she didn't have enough proof to tell me.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
We started comparing stories and realized there's a lot more to this story than we even know between the two of us.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Even my friend from camp knew one version of the story. She had never mentioned having cancer ever to this friend. So that was the first like, oh, she was lying from the very beginning.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
She had never been talked to by camp staff about being removed from camp, ever. That was never even a conversation. No one actually knew anything about her eating disorder.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
The clinic that she gave me was a fake name.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Sometimes it was an entirely different story. It wasn't always cancer that the lie was about. It was oftentimes, oh, I found my birth mother. So there was like a birth mother network of lies.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Morgan had actually maintained a relationship with her family the whole time I knew her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I did some digging on the emails that her parents had been sending me. And all of them went back to the same computer that I had bought her. which meant that all of the emails that her parents had sent me when we first started dating were from Morgan. Morgan had written them. This hateful, homophobic rhetoric came from my partner.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
That was so devastating because I had such trauma and so much internalized shame for being gay.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Every single component of the intensity, like the first four months of knowing her, was completely fabricated in every way.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Well, Kelsey found out. I learned that she was taking medications that made her throw up, that made her really lethargic, their seizure meds. I learned that she would steal medications.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
This is when I had seen the movie The Fault in Our Stars and realized that she was feeding me the same lines from the book and from the movie.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
My entire existence with her was a lie. All of it.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
It was technically my account to close because we were both on it.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I suddenly had access to all of her money. After all these years of piecing this story together, like I suddenly have access to everything. In order to close it, I had to put the money somewhere. So I had to do something with the money.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Everyone was like, keep the money. Like, that is your money. She couldn't dispute it, even if she wanted to. And I was like, no, no, no. I'm not taking any of that bad karma.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I sent her a letter along with the check. And I said, I paid off everything you owed. I could have taken thousands and thousands. I could have taken everything and it still would not be a drop in the bucket of what money you took from me. You lied to me. I know every lie you've ever told. Never talk to me again. And I really hope that you're getting the help that you need.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I suddenly was like, why am I feeling like something's wrong? And so this is the very beginning of the conversations we started having about how serious really is this? And that was when she started breaking bones. At first, it was her hip. She took the dogs out for a walk and came back and she was dragging herself back into the apartment. I was like, oh my God, what happened?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Like I was the perfect person for Morgan to meet at camp. Could not have been more perfect. Like a history of family dysfunction, the tendency to get in relationships where I'm caregiving. And I had a mom who had cancer.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
She's like, I think I broke my hip. I said, oh my God, what do we do? Do I need to take you to the ER? And she's like, no, this happens. Like the cancer must now be in my hip.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
So as a queer person, I almost felt safer with women than I ever felt with men. Like I never thought that that would happen to me in this intimate or precise or manipulative way.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
A common question I get is, how did you not know? Or if you were married, how did you not know the medicine or the doctors? Especially because this story with Morgan is so extreme. I agree. If I was on the outside, I listened to plenty of true crime and factitious disorder stuff that I'm like, obviously you would know.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I really think it comes from a deep desire to feel like it couldn't happen to us. And more than that, it comes from this desire of like protecting ourselves, hearing other people's pain. And I can sympathize with that completely.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Whenever I cringe telling this story, I've had to pause and ask myself what part of me is cringing. And the part of me that's cringing is always coming from a shameful, guilty place.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Shame has never been a motivator of change for me.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
It's so easy to hear my story and be like, this terrible thing happened to this great person. And to be honest, I have had to reckon with my own inner demons about this. Like what parts of me were attracted to a person that needed to be taken care of? I can reflect back on a lot of my early childhood where to be caregiving and to be codependent in that way were very much rewarded.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
So it's not just like, wow, this terrible thing happened to me. Truly, it's like, I can see what I said yes to in this complicity. I can see where I turned an eye away from what I knew in my body was the truth because I didn't want to lose something I loved. Or I'm embarrassed I didn't leave sooner because I was afraid of what it would look like. And it's true.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
When I hear other people's horrific stories of things that have happened to them, I now have a lens of what a human experience to love so deeply that we're willing to suspend disbelief that high. It's like, I truly believe that deception really comes from a deep desire to be loved. And I can sympathize with the desire to be loved.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
And she's like, I need to sleep, I need to sleep. So she took some drugs and then she slept and she slept for like a week.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
And I remember listening to that podcast and thinking like, that is so brave because I was so embarrassed about my own story. And I still struggle with that with myself, but it's like, I want there to be less stigma around manipulative relationships.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I didn't want to tell the story ever again. The thing that made me is knowing that it took me so many years to untangle myself from the shame of not recognizing that as trauma sooner. But there are so many little things that feel important to say out loud that we should be making more space for people to be critical of their interpersonal relationships without shame.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Like if that trust has been breached, then it's time to go. You don't have to wait for evidence to leave. I think we need more models of that happening. And so I truly believe that I can reflect this story with love and also hold someone accountable for doing something truly terrible.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
A few weeks after that, she was walking again.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I could see it. It was bruised and it had been obviously smashed. And then she had a sling as she was healing her elbow.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
And she came back and she just was like, oh my gosh, my rib, my rib, my rib. We looked at it. It was broken. And she took herself to urgent care.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
After she had broken her rib, Morgan was at home for a couple weeks and we had missed a game night. And I had gone down personally to, you know, apologize for missing this game night and to ask how things were going. So I was in person in their apartment. I was like, explain, oh my God, her rib. And one of them was like, oh my God, someone's got to say it. I saw her. I saw her with her rib.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
And I was like, I don't know what you mean.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
And she's like, the day that she broke her rib, I saw her falling onto that cement wall, like jumping onto this wall.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
And it wasn't just one time. She was like, I watched her do it several times. I thought it was weird. And I was really defensive. I was like, oh, you might have just like misunderstood the situation because that doesn't make any sense. And they're like, you need to talk to your wife about this.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I remember coming home and being like, why did the neighbor think that she saw you? And she's like, it was a really big fall. I'm surprised she didn't make sure I was okay. I was like... Yeah, that seems weird. Like, I just get a weird vibe from them. Like, I really don't think they want to be friends with us anymore.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
And she's like, well, we don't want to be friends with anyone who think we're liars anyway. Like, why would anyone lie about this?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
So she told Morgan, You have to stop leaving the house like this. And I need to see your paperwork. Like, I need to see the doctor's recommendation that this is okay, because clearly it's not. And it was a huge argument. It was a huge blow-up that I was too controlling, that I was obsessing over her death. And I finally was like, okay. And then I left the apartment.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
And so I was on this walk thinking, I don't know how to manage this anymore.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
On that walk, I called my friend and I was like, I'm not okay. I think I need to leave.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
on her own. The academic advisor called me the very next day and was like, oh, we'd love to set you up for an interview. And so I flew that Thursday and did my interview in person.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
So I just literally packed everything in my car. I got a job and a place to live when I went to interview. I just moved at lightning speed. When she told Morgan she was leaving... She was just shocked. I was like, I think we just need a little bit of breather space. You stay here. You've got everything that you need. I'll continue paying for rent here. I'll pay for your food.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I'll pay for everything. But I have to go do my master's program. And then I left. She might have thought I was having a mental breakdown, because honestly, I was. That night, she drove 15 hours straight. On my way, I called my sister. My sister was like, you are a really terrible person. Like, I can't believe that you would leave in this way when Morgan could die at any time.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I remember calling Morgan at the ER. She's like, oh my God, I'm so sorry.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I actually got a text from her mom. And it was almost like the fourth wall broke.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
And she sent the most thoughtful text to me. It was like, I'm so sorry this is happening. We're hoping you heal.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I was like, what? Like, Morgan didn't have a relationship with her parents. And suddenly they knew this very intimate detail about my health?
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Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
It suddenly felt like I was uncovering something new.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
She's like, okay, I've got a family friend who's married to a divorce lawyer. And she will start working up the divorce paperwork because I had no idea how to divorce. I just assumed it would be complicated.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Morgan took it really hard. The divorce had activated her eating disorder. So she was going back into an eating disorder clinic in her home state.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
But what she did know was that she needed a fresh start. I can finally at least separate myself from whatever lie she is or is not telling herself or me.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I felt like it was the start of a whole new chapter of my life. It was the first time I was dating someone new who didn't have a health crisis. This is when I was in a master's program. I just loved my school. I loved being with my dog. I loved the new life I was creating. And I reflected back on the years before, and I really felt like I had missed everything.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
And so I felt like this was the start of something brand new.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I felt stupid for having been in this dynamic for so long. It would be so much easier to start completely over if I just don't bring in this very, very complicated backstory that I now had with my ex. But she still had to communicate with Morgan about the divorce paperwork. I would have to check in and be like, wait, where is this divorce happening?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Like I was always just kind of like dragged back to the reality of something I really didn't want to face. As the months went by, the divorce still hadn't been finalized. And throughout this whole time period, there'd be times where I was like checking in and Morgan would be like, oh, I'm filing paperwork and it's still being processed.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I started getting collection notices. The first big one was the car.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Kelsey assumed... Like she's getting the same notification, so she's going to pay for it, right? That was the first notification. And then I started getting mail constantly saying, phone bills, credit card debts, things that had my name and her name on together. And it was significant. It was like thousands and thousands of dollars.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I was just starting to get really frustrated. I was like, how, how is this happening? So the very first thing I did was try to contact her. She didn't answer. She had blocked me.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
So I paid an attorney to check all the legal processes in every state we had lived in to see if they had started divorce paperwork at all. And Morgan had never, ever filed.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
I was like, there's no way she would lie about this.
Betrayal: Season 4
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Oh my God, I have been avoiding the reality of this forever. Like, I haven't ever thought to check anything regarding our divorce paperwork. I didn't know to, like... flag her on any of my banks to not have access to my stuff. Like we were legally married.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
And so suddenly I realized there were so many connections that I still had to her and didn't know the gravity of until I was presenting this lawyer, this debt paperwork. Morgan's debt had piled up to an astonishing number. Just the payoff alone, like just what I knew collectors had sent to me, that was dinging on my credit report, was about $60,000.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
My lawyer sent the paperwork to her and she signed. So now I can also file a financial restraining order against her. I remember leaving the courthouse and just sobbing, like walking to my car and just crying. It was the first time I had like a binder in my hands with our marriage certificate and our divorce decree. And I finally could put a stop to anything more happening.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
It's like, I'm with you. I care about you. But like, I can't process this with you all the time. I think I started feeling like she needs to branch out. Like I realistically can't be everything for her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
That intimate connection felt like it stayed at camp. In the real world, it was kind of hard to sustain because I had a lot of ambition. I was really excited about starting my life somewhere new. And it just suddenly was like, oh, this is kind of affecting my ability to be present at work and school. And I'm really rigid about doing right by my career. So Kelsey made a tough decision.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
Ultimately, I came home from school one day and said this is not what I want anymore and I think it's better if we break up she said okay and then left which she would do a lot when she was trying to process something she would go for a run so she went for a run and came back and I was already asleep and she was asleep and we went to bed
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I sat down with her and she had explained that she had been hiding something from me that she didn't want to talk to me about because she didn't want to burden me with it, but she just got really bad news. I honestly thought at the time that it was something with her parents. But it wasn't about her parents.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
That's when she shared that she had been living with terminal bone cancer and she was in remission. But her doctors gave her the prognosis when she was at the doctor today that she had three months to live.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
My mom was the first one to be like, does this seem off at all to you? It was really the first time someone said something that made me think, what do you mean off? Like I was immediately defensive.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I asked her more details. She said she was diagnosed when she first went to college. She had an injury, a bone break. They did some testing and they discovered that she had cancer. She was fighting it for about a semester, but she beat that bout and then hadn't had a recurrence until that day. She was so flooded with grief for Morgan that the breakup became an afterthought.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I remember feeling so deeply sad because my breakup with Morgan was never about not loving her. I cared about her so deeply. The thought of her dying was insane to me and felt so unfair, especially to have this prognosis with her family not being very close. I was devastated for her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
We were sobbing and then we went to bed and I remember holding her, thinking, no, no, this is like my partner going through cancer. This isn't, oh, my ex-girlfriend from yesterday. This was someone I love so deeply, dying. Like this really is the end of someone's life. The next morning, Kelsey woke up with a new perspective. It changed the way I framed our relationship.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I felt grateful that she was alive and I was ready to figure this out together.
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She's like, I already have a plan with my doctor. We're going to start treatment. It's really unlikely that I'll survive this treatment, but it's worthy of taking a shot. And so that's what she did.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
The next few weeks, she was doing treatment all the time, like four or five times a week. She would leave the house and come back really tired and struggle to keep a conversation, struggle to stay awake. She was just deeply impacted by the treatment. Quickly, Kelsey took on a caretaker role. I started really doing some research and taking care of her. I was making meals.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
Once again, she was juggling the weight of school and being there for Morgan. I distinctly remember trying to complete homework and being like, I can't finish this. She's puking somewhere, thinking like, get your priorities straight. This is someone's life. This is the end of their human life. And you're worried about like not finishing this math problem.
Betrayal: Season 4
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Like, why was I wasting my time on these early morning classes for, like, my own benefit when she only had a few months left to live? I just suddenly felt selfish and stupid. And that's really the moment that I reframed my entire life. For the first time in her life, Kelsey let school take a backseat.
Betrayal: Season 4
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I was letting go of a lot of things I'd worked my whole life toward, but I was like, I can do this for three months for somebody to enjoy the last few months of their life.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
When I hear other people's horrific stories of things that have happened to them, I now have a lens of what a human experience to love so deeply that we're willing to suspend disbelief that high is like. I truly believe that deception really comes from a deep desire to be loved. And I can sympathize with a desire to be loved.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
She considered her like a second mom. We drove out of state to visit her. This family friend was with her when Morgan got her first diagnosis of having bone cancer. And she was with her when she was doing IV treatments. To meet someone who was so intimately involved with her treatments, I felt really bonded right away. I remember her saying, I didn't even know what I was doing.
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I just got kind of thrown into this. I was like, I didn't know what I was doing either.
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Her attorney had shared with her that when she died, her health payout would be really big and it would go to her parents because that's next of kin. And that was really overwhelming for her. Like she had fought so hard for her queerness and now suddenly in her death as a queer woman, all this money would be granted to her parents.
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Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
But if she were married to me, then I would get to decide where that money goes.
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Of course, whatever you need to do what you want to do with the end of your life. So for her, this was a really meaningful way of honoring her life. So we agreed that we would get married.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I tried to make our life so joyful and loving and silly. And that's how we just tried to spend our time. We didn't have very much left.
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She would go to treatment and come back and throw up. She was tired all the time. I remember coming home from work and she'd have like fallen over. She seemed very weak to me. And this is also how my mom would describe her treatments going through breast cancer. Morgan would like lose her hair. I'd come home and she'd have taken a nap and she'd have hair on the pillow.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
She was very, very clear that this was her private journey and that she had already burdened me enough and she didn't want me to lose work or lose school.
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By that time, we had gotten word that she'd beat that bout of cancer. There was a lot of medical language, but essentially, it was like... we're doing good, hold on. Not you'll live, but like I'm feeling okay today and for the next couple of weeks because I think this treatment is working.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I still worked full time. I still finished my degree. By the time graduation came around, I just like barely made it. Like I barely emotionally, physically, spiritually made it. I just remember being an empty person when my family came for graduation. I just felt like nothing.
Betrayal: Season 4
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I was able to stand alongside the valedictorian, which... would have been me and share my story about what happened with my partner, like what it really meant for me to give up my schooling in order to help someone I loved.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
She didn't feel good enough to fly, but she did feel good enough to drive. So that's when we booked our trip for our wedding ceremony.
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There was something really beautiful and intimate. It felt like the end to me. She just didn't seem all there. But there's something about being in nature together and our dynamic started in nature. It was actually really beautiful the whole trip we took. Disposable cameras and It was very fleeting and lovely.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
And I remember one of the nights just before we had our ceremony, we slept on the beach of the Lost Coast and there was something really poetic about waking up. Morgan was still sleeping and I got out of the tent and like looked out into the ocean and just thought like, if I can love someone this big, one day after Morgan's passing, someone will be able to love me in this way back.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
We wrote our vows on like hotel napkins. Like my white dress is in the corner. I'm like sitting down with this piece of paper and I suddenly didn't know what to say. I feel like vows are for promising to someone, but I don't know how to promise something to her in her death. Like, it just suddenly felt wrong. Maybe it was nerves. She couldn't help but overthink the whole thing.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I got something in my head, and so I, like, kind of cleared my head of everything. And this was the commitment she made. promising her that the memory of her and who I knew her to be and, like, the love that people didn't get the chance to know, especially her family, that would live on.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
We drove into the woods and... found a really neat tree that was two trees that like corkscrewed into one. And there was like one little spot where you could squeeze into. And so we squeezed into these trees and signed the paperwork and we left.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
We drove back from California and I was like driving into the sun as it was going down thinking, I know in my heart that I've done everything that I possibly can for Morgan to feel loved well. Like I felt like I had finished what I needed to do. I remember her looking at me with a lot of love and like she saw me as a wife. Like I almost felt her relief, like, okay, got it.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
Everything's going to be okay. I obviously interpret that differently now.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
My dad was really abusive to all of us kids and my mom. And so my mom was finally able to get out when I was about three months old. She packed all of us up, left my dad, and drove cross-country to my mom's hometown. That's where I spent most of my life.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
We're legally married, and now... It's a little complicated because I don't know how to bring up, like, how am I supposed to navigate the next few months?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
It was very much like, this is what we've been told, and we're lucky to have this little bit of extra time. It was suddenly another continuation, another chapter of live like you're dying.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I was really conflicted. I was like, oh no, this is everything I've worked for and I can still go. I still got in and I could still do it, but I can't because it's going to be with Morgan. And I'm grateful that she's still alive. I'm truly grateful, but I also feel like I've lost myself and I don't know how to gain it back if she's still here. Like I hadn't planned for it.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I said we would do this and we're married now. And so now we're going to travel across the country and start my master's together.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
She was sort of our middle point between the West Coast and the East Coast. And when we got to her place, I immediately sensed that there was some sort of tension between them. Like maybe an argument had been had and I didn't know about it. It just felt like we were kind of dancing around something that was unsaid.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
At the end of their stay, I could tell that she was holding back from saying something, but she just said, OK, good luck. And that was it. So there was sort of this like mystery about this odd dynamic we had walked away from it. And that made me nervous. I distinctly remember being in the U-Haul and Morgan being asleep next to me and thinking, we're about to move to a new state.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
He actually went to prison after my mom left. And if he got out of prison, there was this fear that my dad would find us one day.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I don't know anyone in. She doesn't know anyone in. We have no friends or family. And the one really close family connection that she has, she sort of just had a rupture with. It was really the first time I thought like, oh, this is really just us now.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
And the reality of affording grad school, working full time, going to school full time, paying for both of our lives and also paying for cancer treatments, medicines, was really a tremendous burden.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I would say like 25% of every paycheck was going to Morgan. And so after a couple months of being on the East Coast, it was like thousands and thousands of dollars we were pouring into anything related to her health.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I remember specifically Googling what it actually costs if someone dies. She wanted to be cremated, and I just remember looking at this $1,500 price tag, thinking, I'm never going to get what I need to cremate her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
Because she didn't want to talk about death. It was just like every tiny little thing was overwhelmingly my responsibility.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I wasn't even sure how to broach the topic of like, can we go together to your doctor to get an update on what we can look at? Can we reassess your medications?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
What happens if I don't know where you are? How do I get like your health record? Like there was suddenly some like logistics that didn't really have the answers to.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
This is where things started shifting in our dynamic, where it's like, I need real concrete answers. What is your current prognosis? Like, how is your body doing? Where is the cancer in your body?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
We flew home. Morgan was so sick that she could barely even talk. She was lethargic. She was sleeping all the time. She was throwing up. Whatever new medication, whatever new treatment she was trying was really taxing. Like I remember taking photos together that trip and she's sleeping in all of them.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
My mom had pulled me aside at some point during this holiday and she was the first one to be like, does this seem off at all to you? And it was really the first time someone like said something that made me think like, what do you mean off? I was immediately defensive.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
My mom, who obviously has experience with cancer, was like, it just feels off. Like when she's around us, something feels off.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I remember my mom would like brush out my hair so I looked more white. And so I looked like the other Mormon girls in town and then essentially told me not to talk about my background, which worked because she was also, I think, hiding us from my dad in prison.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I had felt like a bad person for even feeling burdened by cancer. I had never considered doubting it at all. But this is when I started to feel doubtful. And that was when she started breaking bones.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I got a Facebook message. She's like, I've been down a rabbit hole about Morgan. I have proof there's a lot more to this story. And that's when it really blew open.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
It was finally getting away from my dad, but then she had a bout of cancer she thought she was going to die from.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
And that was definitely on purpose. I think that she wanted to be super careful. And even when I asked her about it, I even remember her saying, this was private, this is adult things. I don't want to scare you. I'm protecting you from this information. Kelsey's escape was the Girl Scouts.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I had this tiny pocket of girlhood that was so fun, like waiting once a week with my girlfriends to earn badges. When I think about where I felt like I mattered most, it was there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I would go for weeks at a time. I just loved summer camp. I was meeting women who were older than me, who were models of what it was like to really be yourself. Ugh, I have the best memories at Girl Scout camp.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I just thought they were so special and cool. I just thought, that's it. I'll be there one day.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I'm going to do whatever it takes to get out of the state I was raised in and really find myself. So I got perfect grades and worked really hard in school. But this was also around the same time that I fell in love for the first time and I fell in love with a girl in the grade above me.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
At the time, I think I was afraid of being gay. Definitely afraid of the implications of it.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I loved being on my own for the first time. I came out and openly had a relationship and thought that was so special. And I was doing really good in school.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I transferred to the public university. I was just pretty isolated and it wasn't the dream for me, but it's all I could afford.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I was doing real programming work and I went to summer camp that year early because senior staff meets early before counselors get there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I had a lot of friends at camp. Like, I had been really established there. This was the first work experience I ever had when I was out. And for the first time at camp, we had other queer people. They really diversified our pool of hiring that year.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I remember her walking into the office. She was very sporty, so she had the classic REI look. And then the cut-off hair. And she just had the most beautiful eyes. I just remember thinking, ah. Mostly because it was the most radical thing I'd ever known for someone to cut off their hair. When they first met, Morgan was shy.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
but she and Morgan had a close mutual friend in common. My other camp friend really vouched for her and was like, trust me, when she opens up, you're gonna love her. And over time, she did. It felt like she chose Kelsey. I felt really honored. I just felt like she kind of opened up more to me. I felt really privileged to be the one person that she was opening up to.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
Like we would spend the weekend after training just talking. And everyone was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe you got her to talk to you. That's how shy she was. And she was telling me like really intimate details about her life.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
She had shared about some sexual assault, body dysmorphia, struggles with an eating disorder. I just felt like I really knew her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
In camp time, that's three years. It's a massive amount of time that people don't normally get to spend in a very intense environment where you're like growing and learning and changing about yourself and finding things from kids and teaching kids of remarkable things that change you. It really is a lifetime together.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
Camp relationships are famously passionate and intense and destructive, which is why we avoid them at all costs.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
She had shared that she was really struggling with her eating disorder at camp. And eating with your campers is such a huge part of the experience, like you're with your campers 24-7. And we're really rigid at camp about calorie intake and water intake.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
She had gotten disciplinary write-ups from the camp director. If she didn't get it under control, this was not going to be the job for her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
And so she was really nervous about losing her job because she really loved the work. I remember spending all of my free time. I got books from the local library and brought them up to camp and was reading about eating disorders. Like I really became... her resource to stain. I was like, I'll help you stay. Don't worry. I've got this under control. And I really felt responsible for that.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
They were spending a lot of time together. Even when they had days off. We would travel as friends, like off to go to Walmart and get face wipes or to a local festival. We tried to get as much time off from camp as possible. My outside of camp time became Morgan time.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
And I just think there was this little switch. One weekend, we were just alone for the first time really together. And then we kissed. Now it was clear that the attraction was mutual. After that week, we started sharing like a journal. So we had a notebook that we would write notes to each other and then keep it in a cubby. And then I'd write it, put it away, and she'd write it and put it away.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
And so we sort of had this very sweet romance at camp.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
She met with her parents, and I wasn't with her. I was in the parking lot, but I remember seeing them at a picnic bench. She came out to them, and it didn't go well. She got back in the car. She was like, they... believe I'm living in sin. They think this is wrong. They think that any person who had influence over me is of the devil and that I should separate myself from those people.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
We were all like, look how adult we are. We all have our own space and our own beds. So it wasn't like, oh, I live with my girlfriend now. It was very much like we were just continuing the summer camp experience. I think we were on that high of the summer fling.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
Figuring out bus schedules, like everything was just really fun. I also remember doing paintball fights and making cookies and burning them for the neighbors. But soon, reality set in. I was working also a full-time job while I was in school because I had to pay for it. I was doing everything to put me on the trajectory to go to my master's program.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
And at this point, I was on track to be valedictorian. Kelsey's priority was school. We just weren't getting as much time together and we're like drifting a little bit.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
I remember them very explicitly. One was from her dad, one was from her mom, saying that it was an abomination, that I was poisoning Morgan, that I took her away from the life of Christ. It didn't help that the person Morgan was waiting for to come back from a mission had come back, and they had really hoped that she would marry him. Every time I got a message from them, it was very nasty.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 25 - Kelsey Pt. 1
Morgan's very sacred and pure, stop this now before you ruin that forever for her. Like they deeply wanted to make me hate myself so I didn't feel deserving of Morgan. The messages were overwhelming. After a couple months, it got complicated very quickly. It was just that feeling of thinking that I was destroying someone's salvation. It was taxing emotionally.
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Jeremy | Chapter 4 - Horse and Buggy
Mr. Shepard's my daddy, and he's been dead for three years now. How are you? I'm Kelsey. Oh, you're so pretty. Watch out, Cujo baby.
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Yeah, that's what I want to know. What made you start TikTok? Was it like a pandemic, 2020?
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With your cream cheese. That was probably... With my cream cheese. Throwing it in a pot.
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For sure. Jazz is just like, text us if you need help. Right. She's like, we're doing a podcast. I'm like, okay. I'm like, are y'all in or y'all not in?
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There you go. Awesome. Well, Ariel? I'm Ariel. I'm the caboose, I guess. No. So I'm a mom of two. I have a four-year-old and an eight-year-old. I'm also a registered nurse, but that's only part-time now since I had my kids. I really am more of a stay-at-home mom. I'm home six days out of the seven of the week, and then I work the one day a week. But I do absolutely love it.
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It's probably something I'll never stop. I am only on TikTok because of these people right here. Because I wanted nothing to do with it. So you never had an account before? I had an account, but I never got one.
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She made me. Jasmine made me post as well. Yes. For everyone who says that we ride on their back for status. Jasmine literally made us start posting. She's just your biggest hype girl. She really is.
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You have to be yourself. I feel like people can sniff out if you're fake.
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Well, I mean, if you're real, you are the most helpful person. You will show anybody anything if they ask.
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great help she always wants to see other women and that's how it should be like i do not get this mentality of beating other people especially other women down just to make yourself feel better like there's room for everybody and like we should be uplifting people social media there's a whole side of tiktok we're not even on no all of our for you pages are different yeah we all watch different people yeah but there are so many people somebody will send them like i've never seen that person in my life
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That is like a whole other side of TikTok that we don't even know about. Like, it's so big.
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And it's crazy because I've had a couple people say they've seen me first and they're like, oh, I follow Jasmine and Valerie through you. And I'm like, that's weird because I've got like $3,000. But it just depends on what's popping up on their page.
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I feel like YouTube is kind of hard to grow on, though. It is. Because there's so many. It is.
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Exactly. All my lives are get ready with me, hair wash, doing my hair, and literally people are constantly asking questions. Like, how do you do that? What products do you use? And it's much easier and less nerve-wracking on yourself when you're doing something because you're distracting yourself, right?
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Time goes by so much faster. For sure. Well, then I do that, then I get sidetracked. I'm like, I'm not going to fold this right now. One load of laundry takes an hour to fold.
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That's more for fun and just engagement. Only if you send a gift. But TikTok takes 50% of it. 50% or more. We made $1.67 yesterday.
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I think the most I made was like $3 in this because one of y'all gave me like a teddy bear or something.
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It has its pros and its cons. I mean, I wouldn't have y'all as friends without TikTok. So I'm grateful for just for that. Well, no, we met. I mean, yeah, but you wouldn't have known Valerie if it wasn't for TikTok. Like we would not have this friend group. We'd be the three moms. Yeah. We'd be the three moms. We'd be the three moms. Yeah.
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I know. Our friend group is really one of the greatest. And yes, I said friend group. Yeah, and we're not 15, one of the greatest, because we all get along. All of our husbands get along. All of our kids get along really well. I mean, they've never fought ever.
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Like we get together because we want to be together. We're literally hanging out, like talking, chatting. Yeah. Cracking off. Kelsey's making us laugh. Yes, for sure. I'm trying to kill everybody with my shots. We're going to call him Sully. Especially when me and Sully are drinking. Since we have two Joshes, I don't want y'all to think I'm talking about my Josh.
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Kelsey would be so viral if she... Like I said last night, TikTok is not... It wasn't a job for me at first. I just did it for fun. I do it for fun. Now, if I was my crazy self all the time, I'd be like 10 million followers. But I just haven't You're so funny. I haven't put that much work into it because it wasn't, like, a job for me. I didn't want it to be a job. I wanted it to be fun.
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and he's saying what he's got to say and sometimes that's a good thing and sometimes that's a very bad thing he never means it like mean yeah no like we know he's not being mean but anybody else would be like oh yeah it comes off if you're from the outside it can come off like that but if you know josh you know he's picking yeah like he calls my husband bald head and my husband does have a bald head but
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It's unaffected. So speaking of my husband, Eric hated your husband. Yes. When they first met because of that. Yes. Like they want to, because of how like I've spoken to him and pick like he picks, you know? Yeah. And Eric would come home and be like this at work. I can't. And then now we're all like best friends, you know, it's crazy.
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yeah but yeah he definitely hated josh oh yeah he hated josh like wanted to move offices hate it yeah i don't know it was that bad yeah he could not stand josh yeah well how long did so how long did they work together before i was like eight months because i remember jazz um y'all made plans i was in beaumont visiting eric and y'all made plans to go to a margarita festival and josh invited us and the kids and i'm like i don't need no friends like i
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I'm not going to meet this strange woman. Like, this is stupid. And we bailed. And then a few months later in October at the company party or whatever, Jazz and I met for the first time. And it's history after that. Like, we immediately hit it off. We didn't want to go that night, I think. She didn't. Josh or her. We convinced Josh to go when he brought her.
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For one, I didn't have an outfit. She didn't have an outfit. Nothing. I literally just threw something together. I know. I was the least dressed person. I saw her Snapchat. I'm like, looks like you're having fun. She's over here sending a Snapchat. She's like, look at her. We're in a strip club. Yeah. Thank you.
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And y'all, Jazz is very quick to like, I feel like you're very friendly. So you're like very...
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quick to meet people and you like them you invite them because like literally i met this girl and the next week like three days later she's inviting me to lunch with i remember when she met you she said i'm bringing my new friend are y'all good with it well she really didn't say y'all get with it she said i'm bringing my new friend is that okay yes but i remember when you met her they were taking shots together at a christmas party right yeah it was you her and somebody else from work
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Oh. Yeah, that Christmas party. That was the first time I ever met you. Oh, yeah, we ended up at the strip club.
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But she ain't going to take the shot. Hold on. She's not going to take the shot. She's going to sip it, and then all of us got to down it. No, no.
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sorry and then kelsey i met i just literally was invited to her house for your christmas party i never met this chick i'm just rolling up in her house they're setting up balloons i'm like hi i'm the new friend it's crazy that it's only been two years and we cannot remember yeah i know it feels like we've known each other forever yeah i think when it clicks it clicks you know
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Yeah. And I think we each have, like, very different personalities that mesh really well together. And I think that's why we've become such close friends. Yeah. You know, we kind of compliment each other.
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I kind of missed that one, though, you know? But this is fun. War of the Moms is perfect.
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fight but then we were going back and forth and she's like no we're wearing this no we're wearing this what am i supposed to wear here's valerie well i don't know what to wear either right but kelsey and jasmine both have very strong opinions on that kind of stuff so i think that's where and me and val are just like i will wear whatever the frick you want me to wear
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And then she said blazer. So what I did, go on Amazon, hurry up and order one. Because I'm like, we got three days. We got three days for this to be here. Kelsey, you ordered yours and sent us the link. It was like, order this.
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Oh, yeah. And I'm like, well, if hers is quarter sleeve, you cannot wear a long sleeve. She probably got hers from a boutique. And by the time she told us, the only option I had was Amazon. Like, there was nothing. Well, I haven't had mine for years. It was the very last minute. I don't own a blazer. I'm not a professional person.
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yeah same i mean i'm not either jazz i feel like you have like very put together outfits so like in that sense like business casual i'm like all jeans and and workout clothes usually we always sending kelsey what we want yeah yeah kelsey yeah kelsey dresses us for sure we have family pictures uh kelsey is dressing us but you have that pageant background right so yeah you're really good at it
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I will obsess over, like, my kid. Like, when we do family photos, I obsess over it to the point.
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Somebody asked me on live to bring out videos and pictures, but they're all, like, VHS tapes.
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yep and i dance competition too oh that makes sense though that totally makes sense i only did that for like six years though i want to see pictures oh same you got to bring them out yeah i want to see the home recording we have like a bucket of like pictures like and then once my grandma passed away we got her all her vhs tapes but we have to have like a vhs player of course you know so i don't know how to like digitalize them like i have to send them off probably you can send them off yeah yeah for sure
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But yes. I did pageants. I was a pageant girly. I guess I'll go next. It comes naturally. Yeah. Especially, like, when I have to do, like, once I got older, I had to do interviews. I didn't like that part. I just, yeah, no. But anyways, I'm Kelsey. Nice to meet y'all. Y'all think I'm the quiet one, but. Nope, she's the loudest. I'm really not. I'm the loudest one, for sure. The funniest.
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funniest loudest she is okay if y'all know my husband josh she is a josh junior female version of josh literally they will make you laugh until you cry y'all only get a small glimpse of my life on tiktok because i don't post i don't post a lot i'll go live but i don't post very much but if you know me in real life then you know We should post the Hoodrat Hoochie Mama group chat.
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That's where you come alive. We'd be in trouble. We'd be in trouble. But I'm married. I have a husband. His name is Josh, too. I have two kids. I have two little girls. Mine are the youngest. I have a three-year-old and a five-year-old. Jesus. They're precious. And they are my babies. They give me a run for my money for sure.
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People ask if they have the same dad. I'm like, yes. It is crazy, though. Genetics just happened at that point, okay? But I'm a stay-at-home mom. I used to work in a doctor's office. And I quit my job when I was, like, seven months pregnant for Charlie. And I've been home ever since. I enjoy staying home, cooking, cleaning, running the roads. That's pretty much it. We travel. We like to hang out.
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i mean my kids are in dance josh she's a travel agent so if you need yeah i'm a travel agent i do specialize in disney booked our disney trip i do a lot of disney um i do cruises all inclusive um i've i do a couple things on the side so you ever need a travel agent hit me up yeah right um but that's pretty much it i'm not i don't have a very elaborate life um
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We're going to talk about everything under the sun. But if you have virgin ears, don't listen.
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Yes, I do. I do love Mardi Gras. Mardi Gras is my favorite holiday other than Halloween. I think Halloween would be my favorite. I do like Christmas, but I'm more of a Halloween girl.
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New Year's. Sound like my kids. But I would have to say Halloween is more of my favorite. We do way more for Halloween, I think. But like I said, me and Jasmine, we met through our husbands. We've been friends the longest. No offense, guys. No, I'm just kidding.
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You are. We've been friends the longest and I knew Jasmine before social media for all you people who say that I'm just riding on her back for her status. I am not. We've been friends for... I feel like if anything, I'm the newest that they've come at me for that. We've been friends for way longer than that. Way longer than that. Club chasers. I met Valerie through Jasmine.
Four the Moms
Meet the Moms
Don't listen. It may not be for you. Yeah. Or if you get offended easily, don't listen. I was just about to say, if you get your feelings hurt. Don't listen.
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Meet the Moms
We literally went on a camping trip. We were trying to figure this out the other day. I'm like... When did I first meet you? I've seen her at Evie's birthday. That was like what? Evie's like probably fourth birthday. Oh, yeah. Yep.
Four the Moms
Meet the Moms
No, fourth. Yeah, it had to be fourth. I met, I seen Valerie there. I mean, she complimented my kid's outfit, but we didn't really like hang out or anything. The first time we hung out was the camping trip for Father's Day. And then like a week later, we all went on the girls trip together. That was my first girls trip I got to go on.
Four the Moms
Meet the Moms
oh we turned up yeah i remember that we had the best time i felt like i knew them for 10 years yeah y'all they are the most realist yeah people they will make you laugh they are freaking hilarious the first time i met them was at this past girls beach trip and it like you said it's like we just all clicked honestly girls trip would be i mean we would have fun but it would not be as fun without those ttb girls for sure
Four the Moms
Meet the Moms
They definitely bring the show. Austin is not ready for us. Austin is not ready. At least we finally booked something. I know, right? Kelsey, not everybody's a planner like you are. Some of us like to wait until the last minute.
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Meet the Moms
We're going to have to do that on the way in because it's out of town. Is it? Oh no, we can Uber. No, it's like 45 minutes. 30-40 minutes from downtown. We'll make a pit stop. Yeah.
Four the Moms
Meet the Moms
It's on the way going in. No, it's on going away out of town, out of Austin. So we have to like make a separate trip for that. We'd have to make a separate trip. But that'd be all right. Don't they do like chores? Valerie, you need to message them and see if they'll come pick us up. She's been emailing them for a while for a partnership. They won't answer.
Four the Moms
Meet the Moms
I should have brought it. It's in my freezer. You didn't taste it at the Mardi Gras? I guess not.
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Meet the Moms
Okay, Valerie. Spray her throat. Josh, she's in the office. I'm like, what are you doing? Your throat's numb as hell. It's not going to get any better. No, just the more. Just keep spraying. It's all in it. It's a placebo. And then, like I said, Ariel, we met. Christmas party. Yeah, Christmas party at Kelsey's house was the first time I met Kelsey.
Four the Moms
Meet the Moms
Introduce yourself. Send her to the nurse. They can cut all this out. Introduce yourself. She doesn't need an introduction.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
And that's kind of why we're doing this is because we're tired of it. We know we put our life on social media. We understand y'all have questions. That is completely understandable.
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Q&A with the Moms
That was my biggest problem, too, was, you know, we started traveling when Ella was two weeks old. So first time mom, I practically raised myself and my sisters. Yeah. And I... Started traveling with Josh. We hit the road when our oldest was two weeks old. And I'm like, what the hell am I doing? Yeah. You know, I didn't have nobody there to help me. We stayed gone on the road for years.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
We didn't come back home. Yeah. To visit, you know, like periodically. But no, we were... It was just me. Josh was working a turnaround for a lot of it. And he was working 7-12s. And don't get me wrong. He helps. He helps a lot. He'll do the dishes. He cooks. Yeah. You know, Josh helps. But... It's just different whenever you're a mom. Yeah. Like, it's tiring. Right.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
And then, you know, people judge you if you... And, you know, I didn't have that. I did not leave my kids with anyone, you know, like, especially on the road. I knew no one. Yeah. But whenever you do... They judge you because they're like, oh, you stay at home. Why do you need a break? Just because you stay at home doesn't mean that you don't deserve a break. You know, if anything.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Right. Y'all don't know a tenth of what happened. Y'all literally do not know a tenth.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Yeah. You know, that's not for the world. I'm not going to air all that girl's business.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
No, but that's just like the little everyday things, you know? I do. I feel bad for, you know, those moms that don't have that help.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Yeah, definitely. My biggest thing I can tell you is just, for one, try your best and just try to make some alone time for you. Even if you, you know, try to just get into a better routine with the kids to where you have more alone time, even if it's at home. Yeah. You know, go take a hot bath or... Yeah.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
You know, and, you know, not all parents have, like, baby monitors. You know, some people may not be able to afford it. My biggest suggestion is FaceTime another phone.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Yeah. But no, I mean, I'm not on here to bash her. I'm not on here to hate on her. But just know that y'all don't know a fraction of the truth.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Yeah, everybody. We all have regrets. Over-stimulated. Yeah. I feel like the times that I did live with my mom, she yelled so much. So I try not to yell-
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
And then after I do yell and they finally listen, I feel like a maniac. They're like, you're being loud. I feel horrible.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
It's hard not to be a reactive parent. It really is. And like Ella, she's my soft hearted one. You just look at her wrong and she's crying. Hayden's is the same. Evie, open up your hand.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
um that's the key word truth we have always been there for her supported always any anytime um we always wanted her to be included yes we've even absolutely paid her way for the girl's truck yeah because and it was my idea i'll be the first to say it never got a thank you um that was i felt bad i said i would say that did it for me
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
And it's some motivation. Ariel is very motivated, though. She works out every single day. Oh, I know. She does not miss a thing. I know. That's why she's got a hot body. I'm trying to be more like them. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not. So you just need to come to parties. We're going tonight, 6.30 p.m.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Turn up the music. Even if you can't afford that, just find some time to yourself. Go for a walk. Go for a walk. Go for a jog. Go to the park.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
It's like time goes by. It's like so slow, but so fast at the same time. Because it's like, you know, you wake up and by the time it's the end of the day.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
That is so true. It is so true. And it's just like, where did the time go? Like, I can't believe we've already been friends for almost three years. And it seems like longer, but it's not. Time is a crazy thing. But I guess that's a wrap for the questions. Pretty soon the husbands will be coming along.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Yes. My husband's dropping me off, so I'll have a lemon drop in my hand. Don't want to hear it. Yes, we're not driving.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Yes, for sure. All right, that's a wrap for episode two on For the Moms.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
yeah um and that that's mainly what did it in but then several other things um lies so many lies that we caught her in and the sad thing is we were always there for her we never judged her even whenever she made the choices she did we still tried to support her I feel like there was no reason to ever lie like and it's just like she couldn't keep up with the lies you know we would catch her time and time again and I hate that um
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
I don't know why she ever felt the need to lie. We were very understanding, I felt like. More than so. But no, there's no hate. I wish her the best on her new journey in life and her little family. I have nothing else for her. I will say it rubbed me the wrong way whenever I saw her humiliate someone on live not long ago.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
That hurt me. Same person at all. No, at all. Whenever I saw that, her laughing about somebody's downfall, that rubbed me the wrong way. I was like, that is shitty. Yeah.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
No. You know? You're right. You're right about that. And that person has done so much for her and her daughter. Yeah. And just to do that on a platform with hundreds and thousands of people watching, that was shoddy. Embarrassing. She embarrassed herself. Yeah. But that just made me feel a different type of way about her. Yeah. For sure.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
So last episode, we kind of left off and we said that I met someone through Valerie from social media. Yeah. We're no longer friends. And that was one of the questions. Just kind of clarifying what happened.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
All right, y'all, we're back for episode two. This episode, we are going to touch a little bit on the questions our Patreon members had and a few of our Facebook posts. People had some questions they wanted to answer. This podcast is brought to you by Q&A Network. I'm Kelsey. I'm Jasmine. I'm Valerie. And I'm Ariel. And we are For The Moms.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
It was draining. Yeah. We were drained. That's another thing is, you know, sometimes it might hurt to kick someone out of your life. And I feel like we're going to kind of do an episode about that because I have like a lot of childhood trauma and me like distancing myself from certain family members. I'm definitely going to get into that on like a little childhood trauma episode.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
I feel like we all kind of have mommy issues. Yes. Yes. But stand up for yourself and do what's best for you. Keep your peace. Yes, keep your peace. Even if it comes with some hate or negativity, do what is best for you at the end of the day. Because at the end of the day, nobody else matters other than you. It doesn't matter what people think, you know, and people think they know.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
You have to do what's best for you. And that's all it is, you know? But no, I wish her the best. And that's really all I have to say about it. So many of y'all have asked. So I hope y'all tune in to this episode, even if you don't watch any other ones. So y'all can stop asking because literally we cannot get online.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
If y'all could see our filtered comments, our filtered comment section on saying how shitty of a friend we are for not going to her events. That's.
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Q&A with the Moms
Terrible? No. Okay. Brandy asks, how has it been adjusting to life not traveling and staying in one place? How did the girls do with the adjustment? It's different. I think it's more cleaning my house versus the camper.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
I feel like Valerie warned you about that too. She's like, wait till you have a house to clean. It's been terrible. I have tried my best not to hire a house cleaner just because in my mind, I'm like... I stay at home. Although I work social media and I am truly busy a lot of times.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Especially now that we're doing the podcast and I'm having to make posts for that and create these things and stuff like that and all of that. It's literally double the work now. But in my mind, it's like I stay at home. Why can't I keep up? But that's been the biggest thing for me is cleaning. Girls have...
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
pretty much adjust it well ella has adjusted amazingly evie she hates her bedroom since when oh since like day one no the first about two weeks she loved her room she slept in her room she doesn't even want to go in there to play unless like kids are over oh that's so funny she i think they forgot to cut the envelope record She's attached, y'all. It's bad. She is. She loves her mama.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
I lay in the bathtub just to relax. She's making a tablet on the floor.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Yeah, literally. She's so cute, though. It's terrible. Quite literally terrible. Um, and then she also asks, would I do it again if needed? So actually I would have kept traveling. If we were not in one spot in Texas, I would have went on another job. Only mainly probably like up north. I wouldn't have done south because I'm tired of Texas, Louisiana area.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
So Juju and Alyssa wanted to know about her on Patreon. So we were just going to get into that really quick. There's no hate. There's no.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Um, I would have traveled another year or two. I didn't mind it. My biggest downfall was staying in one place for so long in the camper. Um, but I don't know. I might, would do it. Just depends on the area, how long it would be for.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Um, Destiny wants to know what was the hardest part about traveling full time? Probably missing out on family events. Um, you know, we had to miss a few funerals, um, for family members that was pretty close to us just cause we were so far away and just couldn't get home. Um, and I'd say that's the biggest thing is family time. Um, birthdays.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
I feel like I probably didn't have a lot of help on the road either. None. Yeah. It was just you and Josh and the girls. So, um, We went, the very first time I left Evie was for my birthday when we went to New Orleans for Kelsey. She was five years old when I left her for the very first time. Now, take that, like, my mother-in-law might have kept her for an hour. Right.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Um, so yeah, I would definitely say, you know, just missing out on family things and no help. It was literally just me, Josh and the kids. Um, and then let's see. All right. Uh, Valerie actually wants to know, how did you meet Mark?
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Yeah. If she called me today and needed something, I'd be there. Yeah.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Of lies. Yeah. And I feel like me and Valerie have been portrayed as these mean girls or these horrible friends. Especially, like, whenever the baby shower and gender reveal came around and we didn't go.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Hey, me and Josh, I don't know if I've... I feel like when you know, you know. And I felt like with Mark, I knew.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
I just slowly kept bringing stuff every time I'd come for the weekend. Me and Josh moved super fast. Super fast. Eric and I did too.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
and we've all been married for how long like pretty much 10 years right about me and Josh have been together 11 years we've been married 8 years okay so we've been together 11 married 10 and we moved pretty fast married 8 years so when you know you know like we were we are gonna be married 10 and been together 12 well me and Josh were engaged for practically the whole time we were together yeah yeah we're living yeah yeah we just didn't get married until no 2017 yeah yeah
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
Well, Jerry thinks it's a good idea if we all write a cookbook. She's asking if we'd ever consider it.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
We do have that in the works. We're going to do some cooking videos here in the studio. That's going to be fun. That is going to be really fun.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
That's when shit pretty much hit the fan. Yeah. Because any time, and I can pull this up, it's in black and white, it's recorded. Any time either one of us got on live... Several, several, several comments. Y'all are shitty friends. Why didn't y'all go? And they still comment. I've never been on a live where her name is not brought up. Yes. And it just gets old.
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
She said, I am not drinking this. This is a no. Not good. This is a no for me. Somebody said, where's the espresso?
Four the Moms
Q&A with the Moms
But they have espresso. Yeah. Yeah. A different taste. TTV girls love them some espresso martinis. Oh, yeah.
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I need to catch up. I still have not. It's so educational, too, because they talk about science since like the... I'm going to totally butcher this. But like the 1800s, they said that science has revolved around materialism. Basically, anything you can see and touch, it can be studied by science. Yeah. Everything outside of materialism is... It's theory or it's hocus pocus. It's cringe. Not cringe.
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What do you call it? Ew, it's so cringe. I forget. But dude, it's blowing my absolute mind. Tell me about it.
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Yeah. She was on Joe Rogan talking about the hieroglyphics. Yeah. Language. The one thing that is, which it has her spinning too, is there's this one boy. Uh, I think it starts in like episode three or four. Um, His name is Houston, I believe. And he's from Atlanta. And he, his story is just insane. Like grew up severely autistic, non-speaking, non-verbal.
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And mom had three other kids, a terrible husband. And she just grew up thinking that he was basically kind of just like a, just almost like a vegetable. We were just like, there's no way to communicate with them. There's no way.
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And she separated from her husband and was living alone, working a ton to provide for the kids. And she like came home one day and she said, this was the turning point of me seeing that there's something like he can connect to. Yeah.
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telepathically because she said she was so physically emotionally everything tired and she said i was so tired i was shaking like and i just sat on the couch and i was just shaking like her she just felt terrible and her son uh houston walked downstairs sat at her feet he said he's never done that he was like in his teens like 16 or something could be getting this wrong too this is all secondhand
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Um, but saddest feet. And she said that he was moved 24 seven, never stopped moving. Yeah. Satisfy looked her straight in the eyes, which she said never made eye contact ever and said, um, I love you. Verbally. Verbally. Oh, my goodness. And she's never spoken in his life. And she's just like, oh. And then through that, that was the beginning, figuring out that he could read people's minds.
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He could see what they were thinking. And through the whole, what do you call it? They call it speaking. Or no, sorry, spelling. Is that what it's called? Yeah. Spelling.
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It's where they have like the tablet or like whatever for them to communicate. Yeah. Figuring out that he's... And he's like, I've been in here the whole time. That was the first thing he said. Like, I've been in here the whole time. I've been aware of this whole time. And she just broke down crying. And it was a terrible thing. He said the worst thing that he felt bad about was that...
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He earlier in the years when they're still living with their dad, that the dad was abusing the daughter and he wasn't able to speak or communicate that this was happening. So he felt the whole time. Torture.
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What if you never heard the term throw up and you're just trying to explain to someone that you threw up but without knowing that it's called throw up? Like, did you throw up? No, it's like... So yesterday's food came out and... What do you mean? Like, you pooped?
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Yeah. Right. But it starts with him talking about this place. He says that he goes to this place with other kids, other people that have this ability of telepathy. They said telepathy is just the tip of the iceberg. It goes way deeper.
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Mentally. They call it the hill. He referred to it as the hill. And he says, we meet there. We teach each other things. We pray for each other. And it's like this community of kids that have this ability. They go to the hill. She's like, wow, that's wild. And then met another dude, kid in Atlanta. His name is John Paul and they're friends. And he referred to it as the hill as well.
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And continues on as like, this is a wild concept, right? But then it was her, I believe, fifth episode. Um, before she released these episodes, she was interviewing this other mom in, uh, where was it?
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No. Uh, yeah, it might've been. No, it's Chicago. This kid was from Chicago and the mom's talking like, yeah, he talks about, he goes to this place called the Hill. Mm-hmm. No communication with these other people. They don't know each other at all. They're using the same reference at calling it the hill where they go. And they referred or they specify it's not like a physical place.
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It's like not dimensional. It's like a place where their consciousness goes. And they said, but it's like in the shape of a hill. It's like not dimensional. But this kid from Chicago talks about how he talks to other kids around the world, like one from Denmark, one from Texas, one from like just all over the world. Yeah. And it's like, what is this?
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Yeah. But it's a part that it's proven is all these kids can speak multiple languages because all these other kids from all over the world come together and they're teaching each other things. The example was it was a two year old non-speaking autistic kid. He could speak seven languages.
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He's never been taught before. He's two. And it's not him speaking. How does science explain this? When I say speaking, it's him doing the words and stuff on the pad or whatever that is seven different languages.
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Yeah, I got the Patreon thing too. And that's all legit. Oh, really? Cool.
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That's what I'm stoked about this podcast. More and more scientists and teachers and professors that are like, okay, well, there's a lot of proof. These people don't know each other and they all go to this place and they all call it the hill. And they can speak multiple languages. They can do abilities that are just insane. They call them spiritual gifts.
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And I'm excited because eventually they talk about the majority, if not all of them, they interact with Jesus. Yeah.
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I mean, the CIA has already kind of been doing that since like the 60s. It's like the Stargate thing, you know, it's like the astral projection, whatever, where they can see where certain things are and where people are.
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But they interviewed this one professor from Cambridge and he was fully he was actually knighted by the queen for his studies and whatnot discoveries. But there's one test that he was into this telepathic stuff since the 1950s, which is crazy because that's like, yeah. Very taboo back then, you know.
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But there was this one scenario where this severely autistic boy who was almost 100% blind and he went into the optometrist. Is that what it's called? Yeah. And they were doing and they figured out that he could see through his mother's eyes.
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Yeah, so his mom was in the room and there was the, you know, the letter board, the E and like all that. They said, can you read these lines? And he got everyone right. And it's like, no, this is impossible because you're like 99.9% blind. I don't get this. They said, can the mother leave the room? She left and he couldn't read anything. Could he see what she was seeing out there? Yeah.
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And, but then they tested it. They did the test even further where they had them do different like cards and stuff like with numbers, letters, colors, um, or not him, but the mother who was five miles away and he got everyone right.
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No, they can put their consciousness. They can literally cross the world.
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Dude, why isn't Elon just funding this stuff? It's like, let's figure out what humans can do. Let's just study people. I don't even know if there's anything to study consciousness.
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Well, I think it's still a little taboo. People have a real hard time believing it still. Even with proof, it's like, okay, this seems like a trick.
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Moving forward, it's called Throw Up.
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It was important. One of the... His name was John Paul, I believe, in Atlanta. When he was asked, like, how do you feel about people understanding that, like, you have telepathy and other kids like you have telepathy... And he was so excited to let people know that they have these abilities.
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And one scenario I heard today was this boy who was severely autistic and he could speak, but it was very hard for him to speak. And by the age like 17 or something, he chose not to speak. Because he said that inhibited his telepathy abilities. It goes back to the senses thing.
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He said all the function that your brain has to go through for moving your mouth, your tongue, your lips, your teeth, your breath, and just everything. He said that inhibited telepathy.
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yeah for a lot of them it's hard because of like sensory overload like they a lot of these tests have to be pretty isolated because for some of them if there's multiple people in the room they can't they said they literally hear everyone's thoughts at once wow so they it's not even just their caregivers that they're able to read No, yeah.
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That's a mystery. She ate that whole bag and she was acting so grumpy and mean. And then we got home and on her ring camera, she goes inside and she walks out and she goes...
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Some of them it's just like, but some of them it just starts off as a caregiver or a mom or a dad. But it looks like it progresses to where anybody.
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Oh, wait. Oh, yeah. This podcast is brought to you by Sunday Cool. Watch this or listen. Yeah. Yeah.
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And so actually they talk about some teachers that are now coming out and talking about, they said, well, we couldn't speak out about it because we'd be fired and be like, you're crazy for even thinking that this kid is telepathic. But one teacher, she literally had to sometimes tell her student to stop reading her mind because she could hear his voice in her head. Oh.
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it was a permission base it's like you okay you can talk to me now and she was the person the kid was able to talk to the teacher in the head but she's not saying that like she can literally she's just thinking okay speak to me his voice was in her head speaking goodness dude did she tell the parents i think eventually yeah oh my gosh like hey your kid's talking to my brain but even when she was at home too oh my gosh she'd be like hey what are you having for dinner
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pretty much and like i have a question on um question number 13 but the thing is too he was incredible like they just have this understanding of like boundaries too because she says you're not you have to ask my permission yeah you can't just and he said okay yeah can't just waddle into someone's brain without consent dude yeah relax it has to be deliberate then there's like it's not just like you're you're flooded with
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Yeah, I think so. I think, I mean, I think it's just like talking to anyone, like us talking to Andy, Andrew, you, you know, it's just like, you can direct the conversation, but if there's a ton of people talking, you can still have a conversation. Wow. But if you're trying to hear one person talk and it's just like a bunch of people talking, you know, I'm smart.
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I was fascinated by this whole thing, too. It was just like looking back If you read the Gospels and how Jesus says that he knew their thoughts or he knew it was in their heart, that's the ability. Yeah, dude. It's not made up. It's almost like a higher power or something. A character of God. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome.
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We talked about this before, but the interactions people have with aliens and stuff like that, of them speaking telepathically, too. It's just like, well, then what does that mean?
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Yeah. Houston's mom, she grew up Christian and left of faith was basically agnostic. And since she has found out about Houston's abilities, she's fully come back to Christ. And like, it makes way more sense now.
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Yeah. Well, you know what's... A scarier thought is how they could be exploited by government agencies and stuff like that.
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Elon Musk, don't fund this. Don't do that.
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I'm pretty sure in future episodes they talk about how some kids can actually communicate with animals too. What? Dope. The guy from Cambridge, the professor, he did a study on animals and their telepathic abilities. And one of the tests that he did, which was fascinating, he did it with a lot of people, but dogs...
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The majority of dogs are aware of their owners coming home before they get home because they can like connect consciously with their owner that they're coming home. So they did a test and it was like a five mile range. These dogs knew that their owner was coming home.
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Speaking of running into bed. And siestas. We watched the fall of Ruby Frankie. Frankie.
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Andrew, you have to watch that. Andrew. Or don't, because it's brutal.
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This... This lady was off the deep end. She became just completely obsessed with just performing in front of the camera. And like when the kids, when they, she's like, oh, what do you think of this? And they're like, yeah, it's nice. And she like, they have all the footage, like hundreds of hours.
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Yeah, the uncut stuff. And she would like do the camera. She's like, just pretend to be happy.
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No, the mother, but they're, yeah, her employees. Because it's all family vlogging, but for her it's all fake. Yeah. Because she's like, just pretend to be happy. And like, you could see very early on, it's like, okay, this is, she's cuckoo. Obsessed with that image. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of perfection. But then she meets this lady.
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Jodi Hildebrand. And she's a psychologist? Psychiatrist.
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Her license was provoked. Revoked. I'm getting there. Someone read my mind. Okay. But she basically just bad news.
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Yeah, and she basically, kind of long story short, what's her face? Ruby. She gets really close to Jody, the psychiatrist. And Jodi lives, like, four hours away, but then she's, like, all of a sudden, like, having these, like... Spiritual attacks. Spiritual attacks where she was, like, acting, like, full-on, like, demon-possessed. Like, I have her. And, like, doing all this stuff.
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Yeah, like, she's mine. She's mine. Like, really freaky stuff. And you're just like, is she faking it? I don't know. But I don't even know if she was faking it. Truthfully. Yeah. Spoiler alert for all this. It's been in the news, but the documentary is awesome. Docu-series. Trilogy. What are the best they say? So she ends up saying, Ruby's like, Jodi needs to move in with us. And so she moves in.
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And then just that's when it started to go downhill quick. She would have these demon possession things every night and stuff. And so then Jodi.
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Ruby. Sorry. Ruby goes and starts staying in Jodi's room. Because she needs to be with her when she has these manifestations. Who's having the manifestations?
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Is having the manifestations.
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Okay. And then it just started getting really weird, really weird.
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And then it happens. Then Jodi, in her seminars or whatever, she's like, separation is critical for marriage.
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In front of tons of people.
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We're getting a little scattered. Let's hone in real quick. So Jody then starts preaching on this whole thing of like separation is critical for marriages. Starts berating Ruby's husband in front of people. And then convinces Ruby that she has to separate with her husband in order to save the marriage. And so kicks him out of the house.
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All the children are still at the house except the 17-year-old and the oldest daughter who's at college. Okay. What a weird home to come back to. Not allowed to contact her at all.
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So cut to a year from that. Okay. He has not spoken to her in a year, and he's been living in turmoil because he's like, I'll do anything to fix our marriage. Gets a call. finds out that his youngest son and youngest daughter are in police, what do you call it? Custody. Custody. And they are malnourished. Like CPC?
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Yeah. Malnourished. And they have lacerations on their body, duct tape on their ankles, duct tape on their wrists. And turns out Jodi and Ruby fully believe that their two youngest children were demon-possessed. And so we're physically, mentally, spiritually, everything abusing them to cast these demons out for who knows how long? Months. And then the husband finds out about this.
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He doesn't believe it at first. He's like, there's no way. Because also Ruby preempted, like she called, that's how he found out.
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Well, then it stopped, and then the two small children started having them.
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It was creepy. It seemed like a very physical manifestation of evil, though. Because, like, when she was being interrogated by police, they were asking her questions, and she was just doing this.
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Long story short, she went to prison with Jodi, and they both have 30 years in prison each.
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There seemed like there was a true evilness, but instead of it. affecting the children or like them being possessed I would say it was Ruby that Ruby and Jodi that were being tormented and being told all these lies by this evil because they were hurting like the Ruby in her journal she wrote everything down to all the abuse that she did to the children she wrote it down
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The flextone vitamins have to be the placebo, right? Probably. They have to be.
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i thought it was important to see though just like this this um obsessiveness with like just social media and stuff and like how it truly i think you just get blinded by this like what's my job yeah you know so i start neglecting my kids or treating them poorly and stuff and you see start seeing those paychecks come in from those sponsors like she was saying it's like
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Dude, that's so funny. So we got Ada this go-kart. She just turned four. Goes 70 miles an hour. I think it's top is 12. But the governor on it, you see how the governor slowed down? I have it maxed out and it still flies. So I got to do something like cable on the pedal or whatever. Put it on a big treadmill. But, dude, she was pretty timid at first because, like, when you gas it, it goes. Yeah.
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And we're like, slow down, slow down. And she's like, I don't want to do it. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, man. Dang it. And so we went inside, and we're sitting there. And probably, like, an hour, and she goes, I want to ride the go-kart. Atta girl. I said, okay, let's go. And so I switched helmets because that dirt bike helmet, she said she was complaining, like, she couldn't see. Yeah.
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So I just gave her a bike helmet. We'll transition into the bigger helmet because it's way safer. Yeah. But I'm like, Lil, why don't you just ride with her? And, dude, she was gunning it. Was she staring well and everything? Dude, so well.
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Dude, she can just weave it, too. That's the best. And Lil's just screaming, slow down, slow down. It literally seems like something out of a coming-of-age movie. It was so fun.
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Did you see that screenshot I did of the video? Yeah.
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It was so good.
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It comes out in April.
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Iron Man suit. Iron Man suit.
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Okay, so a realistic weapon then.
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That's funny. We just like do a little trumpet over her saying it.
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Bullets, you're out. Yeah. When you're out, you're out. Hey. Do a sword, maybe.
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I totally forgot about that. You totally make a valid point. Their heads need to come off.
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What about just, like, a really powerful, like, DEW laser sword? That'd be cool. You'd have to have power, don't you? That'd be cool. I'll create my own power. Solar power. I want to whip with a... Why? I can't... So I don't have... All my answers are dumb.
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No, I want to keep them. It's definitely a curse. Double beveled gumdrop.
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Yo, what's up? Andrew got a root. Yes, he does right now.
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Oh, yeah. Three, two, one.
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Would you fine?
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Trusted by parents, but what about the doctors?
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I hated that.
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I don't know if I want to. Speaking of disgusting, do you hear this song that has disgusting lyrics?
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They're not disgusting. It's a bad... It rocked my world this week. Andy knows about it. Do I? Do you remember from Little Rascals, that song that goes, Short people got... Short people got... Flagged.
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The lyrics are terrible.
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I wish you would have known the song, though. I don't know the song or the lyrics.
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Yes. It's crazy. And then one of their lines says, they got little baby legs. They stand so low. You got to pick them up just to say hello. They got little cars that go beep, beep, beep. They got little voices going peep, peep, peep. They got grubby little fingers and dirty little minds. They're going to get you every single time. Yeah, we don't want no short people around here.
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And a half.
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Shout out Logan. Anyways, I tried to look it up. I'm like, why did he write this? And Randy Newman, the only thing I could see is that he wrote it as satirical for prejudice. I was like, well, who's going to get that? Actually, short people got multiple reasons to live. That would be so great. But no, he's like, we don't want him around here. They got grubby little hands and they have dirty minds.
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What do you mean nuts?
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No, they do. Everything you're saying is just mean.
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It's a gnarly ingrown toenail.
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Um, yeah. Yeah. You guys ever hear about the lost library of Nineveh?
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No, I have not.
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Yeah, this story, the more I got into it, the more I'm like, well, this is wild and wild and wild. This just gets wild. This is crazy, dude. Let me tell you about the last library of Nineveh. Oh, that's right. Yeah, so the king. So it's called Ashurbanipal. Gosh, I've been practicing all day. Ashurbanipal. Ashurbanipal. Ashurbanipal. Okay.
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So Ashurbanipal was the last great king of the Neo-Assyrian Empire ruling from Nineveh. So he made Nineveh the capital. And it was from 668 to 627 B.C. And this dude, Ashurbanipal, was just not a good guy. Not a good king. Very evil. Okay. And they said he actually perfected psychological warfare. And the things he did were just atrocious, like torturing and just terrible things that he did.
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And they said that his palace was lined with art of like torture scenes and like stuff like that. So this dude was like whack. Hardcore. But he was obsessed. With understanding everything and knowledge of everything. And so he founded this library in Nineveh, which wasn't discovered until the mid-19th century by a British... Let's see. The city wasn't discovered? No. No, this library.
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The library, got it. Yeah. So Ashurbanipal, king of Neo-Syrian, let's see, where is it? Rediscovered by a British archaeologist, Austin Henry Layard in the mid-19th century. And he found over 30,000 tablets and fragments of tablets. Jeez. Written in Sumerian and Babylonian languages. And that's where we found the Epic of Gilgamesh.
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Yeah. The library of Nineveh. Yeah. Whoa. And what's fascinating. So this library was huge and they suspect that it held over a hundred thousand of these tablets, these clay tablets. And who knows how many more thousands of different scrolls and stuff. Like where, where's it at then?
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In modern day Iraq, where Nineveh... Well, you said that there was 33,000 found, but they say there was... They speculate.
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Yeah, they've only excavated not the entire place where the library could have been. Wow. But what's fascinating is that this... The stuff that they did find was it rewrote a lot of Middle Eastern history because it talked about old war campaigns, kings that no one has ever heard of.
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And the Epic of Gilgamesh, that's where we got that. But then there's just thousands of these tablets talking about advanced astrology that they said in today's standards is still very advanced. That's amazing.
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And what's creepy is Ashurbanipal, he said that he claimed to possess access to knowledge from before the flood, suggesting he may have been aware of ancient, perhaps lost or suppressed knowledge. This is a quote from him. These are two quotes from him. He said, I have studied inscriptions from before the flood. I can solve intricate divisions, multiplications, mathematics, and writing.
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This is 600 BC. And then he said, I, Ashurbanipal, learned the wisdom of Naboo. I have read the secret tablets of the gods. Wow. The Watchers? I mean. Golly, dude. So that got me thinking. I'm like, well, this is crazy. He said he was a divine king and that the Assyrian gods are the true mighty gods. No other god can stand against the Assyrian gods. Sure.
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I looked up and I'm like, well, what's the context of like within scripture? And it was Nahum and Zephaniah both prophesied. They didn't name him explicitly, but in the same timeframe, these two prophets talked about the destruction of Nineveh and the destruction of the Assyrian empire. Wow. And so it seems like... If we want to get like conspiratorial, right?
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Which we don't like to do. No, I mean, hardly ever we like to dip our toe in those waters, but why not? But he was highly obsessed with attaining this knowledge and building a library to host this knowledge. Instead, he received these tablets from the gods and was just evil and was mocking Yahweh, the God of gods, right? The Lord of lords. And then all of a sudden, God's like, nope, you're done.
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And so this library was built, and then the Babylonian Empire came and destroyed the library, burnt it to crisp. Why are we doing this? But what's fascinating is that the fact that these were on clay tablets, the fire actually preserved them. Wow.
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Yeah. So that's why we were able to find 30,000 of these tablets. And they said like only, I forget the number, but like only 10% of these tablets have been deciphered.
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Yeah. So there's, since the 1800s, there's still thousands, tens of thousands of these tablets that were found. Wow. That we have no idea what they say.
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Yeah. Just sitting there.
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But you think about it, man, it's just like, so this, we're talking about 600 BC, this library had potentially 100,000 tablets, manuscripts of ancient knowledge. They've only been able to read 10, it's like 10% or 20%. They're like, wow, there's history in this that we've never known about. Yeah.
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and like they're so civilized they had this um knowledge of astrology and all this crazy crazy stuff military campaigns and then it's like they didn't know about since the 600s right and then you have the the library of alexandria which was built in the 200 bc era era when was that burnt
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um that's a good question i know it was built in 200 bc or maybe it was burnt in 200 bc either way um yeah but um and that had they speculate uh up to 700 000 scrolls and manuscripts of ancient history knowledge all that stuff
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Power in that? Yeah. I don't know. But it's like, dude, imagine... We talk about if today, if there was a worldwide blackout of the internet, if it was just erased, how much would be gone? Yeah. You know? Of our history, of our, yeah, just everything. The stuff that's like logged onto the internet now. And it's like, no one's using books anymore. Or a lot of people aren't.
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So if we had a blackout, then it'd be like, well, what happened during the 2020 elections? Or like, what happened for the NASA space program? It's like, well, we probably wouldn't know.
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So that compared to these two libraries that host. hundreds of thousands of documents about the ancient world. Invaluable knowledge, dude. Yeah. That's crazy. The fact that he said, though, that he has the tablets of these gods and, like, they said he was a ruthless warlord, basically, and, like, he was so intelligent.
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He could speak and write in multiple languages, and he believed that he was this divine presence of these Assyrian gods. Yeah. And it's like, God's like,
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no no thank you but then you think like okay well god was it like a two-hand thing of like um he was this evil king and proclaiming his gods over god and to god was he also like also i these tablets i don't want you people to read these like this is knowledge stuff that i don't want you guys to be in contact with stuff that should have been removed never written down yeah never yeah
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It's super.
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I know. Let's go to Iraq right now. Oh, gosh. It's in modern-day Mosul, Iraq. Iraq, however you say it.
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Yeah, I thought that was a very fun. I've never heard of that in my life. That's crazy. No, I love that story, though.
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I don't know why it's not talked about more. I mean, because like the epic of Gilgamesh, that's huge. That's studied in like colleges and universities. And like we talked about it multiple times, you know, and it's like that was found in this library.
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yeah i wonder what else is what other documents or manuscripts or whatever yeah really stand out there's a lot of weird stuff like his obsession with studying um like omens and he said that he was receiving prophetic visions from these assyrian gods of like what to do and what to learn and it's just like this sounds like bad
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He was obsessed. His father was mentioned in scripture though. Really? Yeah. The king before him, his father was mentioned in scripture. Perfect.
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Or maybe they're redheaded or something.
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Speaking of malicious. Delicious? You hear a really crazy conspiracy theory? Huh? That nuclear bombs were not made for humans, but they were made for... Aliens. No.
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Nice. Stop it. It's the only thing to disable the atomic structure.
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Yeah. But I'm like, well, that's kind of a fun thing, but I don't know about the too much behind it. And we've talked about it a long time ago, I believe. But then I'm like, well, what about Project Fishbowl? Project Fishbowl, remind me. So that was a project that was under the overarching project, which was Operation Dominic.
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And it was basically to test nuclear detonations in the atmosphere and underwater. Okay. So Project Fishbowl, they let off 29 atmospheric nuclear tests in 1962. So shortly after the Roswell incident. What does that test? What does that look like? They shoot nuclear bombs into the sky to see what it does to the atmosphere.
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It's the holes in the ozone are our fault. Yeah. So listen, so it was a series of high-altitude nuclear tests conducted by the United States in 1962 as part of a larger Operation Dominic. The tests involved detonating nuclear devices at altitudes ranging from 20 to 250 miles above Earth's surface. It's a notable test, the Starfish Prime. Wow. Wow.
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it formed them yeah okay what are we like i mean you're just messing with stuff then yeah you're just throwing darts with nuclear darts into just the unknown what does that mean artificial radiation belts so you know like the van ale the yeah the van allen belts that are natural around the earth so it's their belts of radiation around earth there's i think two of them i even i knew that
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And that was one thing that people were like, well, we never went to the moon because they talk about they're having to build capsules to get to the moon to withstand these Van Allen radiation belts. So how do we do it in the 60s? And so they're saying that basically this nuclear bomb created artificial radiation belts around Earth. Are they still there? I don't know. Probably not. I don't know.
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But... What I was thinking was all these stories. There's classified documents too, CIA documents, and all these stories about all these nuclear tests. There seems to always be something with UFOs around them. Yeah. Like an interaction with UFOs. And then those stories about the UFOs coming and disarming nuclear weapons. Yeah. Like why are they disarming them?
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But then there's some scenarios to where they actually arm them. What do you mean?
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Yeah, there was one, I believe it was in England, where there was this orb, and it came down, and it basically flipped the thing. It was like, it's about to take off. So it armed the nuclear bomb. Yeah. And they scrambled and shut off. But their bunker was way, way down. So there's no... frequency or radio signal that could get to this bunker, but when this orb came over it, it went... Turned off.
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Yeah. And they're like, yeah, okay. But the theory is fun. There's actually one theory around it for orpening... Orpening?
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Opening portals to different dimensions. So it's a fringe interpretation, but it's like under extreme conditions created by high altitude nuclear detonations were attempts to manipulate or open... Open again! Open interdimensional or extraterrestrial portals.
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Yeah, this was in the Cold War era, so it was a lot of flexing. But what they were doing, they truly wanted to see what a nuclear bomb would do interacting with the atmosphere. And it's like...
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why yeah like so you shoot 29 off and then but then they did two underwater as well that were huge okay cool yeah so we got ufo sightings from the sky the ocean and that's what their targets were so that's where the theory that nukes weren't made for people but they were made to combat this ufo uap phenomenon
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But you think about all the UFOs and UAPs around nuclear facilities, too.
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maybe there's something specific with atom bomb though splitting the atom and things like that's just seems because it's not like just gunpowder it's like yeah something insane but even like yeah like the old we talked about multiple times but like in these like ancient stories that were fiction supposedly they talked about like these nuclear capabilities we talked about that one city in the middle east remember yeah i just got wiped out yeah yeah they said it was
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what's the new what's the next god particle thing what's the next you see that they froze light yeah i saved that i saved that but i like haven't been able to do research on it froze i you talked about the new god particle yeah they've for the first time ever they were able to freeze light to where it was this mixture between liquid and solid what sorry
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I guess, I mean... I could not explain it to you.
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Who did that? But they have this machine to where they can affect the... or manipulate light itself to where... They were able to freeze light in midair.
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What do you want to sing about?
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We can have this guy try to explain it. Yeah, let's do that. He's a Josh Aiken official on TikTok. His name's Josh. I don't trust him. All right, here. Do you want me to send it to you guys?
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Okay, we'll do exactly that.
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I know all about Frozen Light. I know nothing about Hunter.
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Did you hear about James Cameron? What he said? I heard his wife cried watching the new Avatar. He showed his wife the new Avatar that's coming out.
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Apparently his wife sobbed for four hours after watching it. You know what she said? She said it's
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Anyways, I got some stuff to talk to you about. Patriot! Yes. Patreon.com forward slash ninjas or butterflies where we do another episode right after our episode.
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Oh, man. We have fun. Dude, this was a great episode. Make sure to like and subscribe. And we'll see you guys on Patreon.com. For an extra episode. Yeah, we have fun. Me and Andy got into it today.
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I'm glad we're getting to this. We're changing the format a little bit. So today's question, which me and Andy think that you'll have a different answer for. Oh. Today's question was Lord of the Rings the best trilogy of all time? Me and Andy have different answers and we're both betting on what you'll say to this. Was Lord of the Rings the best trilogy of all time? Think about the beauty of it.
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Sure. The score. It's ahead of its time with CGI.
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Lily, of all the trilogies in You think Lord of the Rings is the best trilogy of all time? I told you. I knew it. Give me more time to think about it. No, I knew she would say this. No, I mean, I don't even know what there's to think about. How about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
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I would say it's a trilogy.
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Trilogy. Three of one beautiful thing.
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Yes. Triunity. Triunity. Yes. Trilogy. Yes. And you think Lord of the Rings is better than the Godhead?
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It's not tens of millions.
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And this is weird.
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I mean, I definitely think Lord of the Rings is a great trilogy.
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But saying Lord of the Rings is the best trinity? I'm sorry, Peter Jackson. Is that exactly what you just said? Peter Jackson's no God, okay? Yeah, he's no God. He's a great director. Maybe not the beast or the machine movie that he did. I don't know what it's called.
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There's no way. There's no way I would compare Peter Jackson or the Lord that brings trilogy to the Trinity and say that it's better.
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But she did. But she did. What do you have to say for yourself?
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Wait, what did you say?
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So it's different. This actually leads into a great conversation I want to have. Hot dang, dude. Talking about not being able to understand things. I've been really going back, getting back into the telepathy tapes.
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What if there's milk in there?
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It's probably not good for your cholesterol, Josh.
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I know. Sorry. My bad.
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Pardon?
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Wait a second. Isn't he like the health guy? Yeah.
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McDonald's, take it away.
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I have a question. Is Warren Buffett related to Jimmy Buffett?
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You got to pay cash for the games. It's like $10 a game too. It's insane.
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Yeah, for your neck posture. Yeah, and I ended up asking Josh. I'm like, I don't think I need that because I don't sleep with my mouth open. He's like, oh, yeah, I do.
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Crazy.
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That is so crazy.
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Why didn't we pick... Can we not have voted?
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Yeah.
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Oh my gosh.
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How is it going to affect the ecosystem, though? It's going to eat all the wildlife and stuff. They went extinct for a reason. The Lord allowed that to happen, I feel like.
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That'd be sick.
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No. They were dumb, right?
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I don't think they were very smart.
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Yeah. And also because the movie Ice Age.
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They make them seem dumb. And that was accurate.
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Do you remember when you're doing inner city missions in Michigan and they were all killing like birds and stuff, like cardinals and all that? And you said, well, now you have to eat it.
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Good for him.
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He really is Indiana Jones.
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He was right there.
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It did feel like a movie, but I will say I left and I said I need to attend a shop.
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Are you sure he farted?
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As their ancestors. Golly.
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Like Easter Island heads?
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Or, or Pangea.
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And you don't even know about Pangea.
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Like Roanoke.
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Wow. Yeah.
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You know Radcliffe? Yeah. I've not seen that.
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Polter. Polter lost in the jungle.
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So that it could be seen.
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Oh, I see.
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You hate cold water. You have a cold water phobia.
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Oh, uh, Zane.
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But what is his name?
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That's $16 corn dog.
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I'll tell you right now. She is ripe for the age of Lord of the Rings.
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Dude, when I was a little girl, when I was Demi's age, I just wanted to be Arwen.
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So, man.
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I go, this has been sitting for three days. And I'm like, I'm going to get food poisoning.
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Do you think you have to be rich?
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It felt like I was in a movie. I did say I would love if they did one in the fall when it's kind of cool outside because it has that kind of fall spooky feel to it.
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Yeah.
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I know where the tunnels are.
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I know, yeah.
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I'm so jazzed about it. But here's the thing. I got a window into our reality last night. Our kids can't write anything at Universal. We have to wait.
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So I think we're Disney. Rocking Disney.
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I'm jonesing. And Ada goes to preschool in the fall, so we should do fun things all summer. Josh, no. He's such a hater.
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They're already canceled. Except Ada.
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There is a Florida resident discount, but it's minimal.
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Seriously. That is something I appreciate about Disney, though, is that you can bring your own stuff. You can bring your own snacks.
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Cremation, yeah. Other bodies.
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Instead of raising the roof.
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I know. I realize that later.
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That's horrible. I'm so sorry.
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Did the musician die too?
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What kills you? The rafters? The concrete and metal. Oh.
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Oh, man.
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Oh, man.
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Do you ever go to the Starbucks in Target?
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You know Julian?
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He works there. He's usually in the morning time, so you probably wouldn't see him.
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He's amazing. But he was really talking to me about AI artists and how anti-AI. He's an artist. He does all the artwork on the board.
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He was mad.
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I guess they just did it for the new Superman movie and the guy had two pinkies or something.
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It's crazy.
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I just have to compliment you on your parenting, by the way. Your girls are just exceptional.
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Okay. I'm worried I asked this before.
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It was really close. I cut the inside of the... Oh, it was really close. It was really close.
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I think it's a horseshoe. Horseshoes?
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Anyway.
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What did they look like before those?
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Abscessed ones?
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Does anybody cut their dog's nails regularly?
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I'm going to start doing that.
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Okay. If you, whenever you had to poop, if you could teleport to any bathroom in the world, which one would you choose?
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What is your favorite pooping bathroom? I'll go first.
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They're so creative and original.
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Are you going to get a new toilet? Yeah.
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The pressure wasn't great. So if you dropped a big log, you got to wait a minute.
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I have been thinking about the story you told me yesterday.
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No, but the size of the toilet is what you're after.
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Oh, and also that and it's very cozy and small. I like a small room.
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About how last year, Demi went in the haunted house by herself. Yeah.
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Oh, like LEDs?
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You guys should find the name and then we should have all of our ninjas go comment best poop of my life.
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Was it Chattanooga?
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Oh, wow. Yeah.
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Did you guys poop in there and just go pee and think about it?
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Okay, Andrew, your turn.
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It's difficult for me to not be in an enclosed space. Yeah.
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Yeah, with the door open. I do with the door open. That's like the only time, yeah.
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Thank you.
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By the way, Josh, I don't think you sent your video in Discord.
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Oh my gosh, I know this is probably going to be terrible.
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Pretty weird thing that your body does that you're not sure anybody else's body does.
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What is that?
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A belka cord still in there?
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It's shaped like... Gosh.
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You guys, I know you guys have never been pregnant because you're all men.
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When I'm pregnant, my belly button disappears.
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I'm like Kyle XY.
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And it's the haunted house.
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You know what cracked me up is that your mother-in-law, when she comes to our party, I guess she was like, can we please set off fireworks at a normal time this year? She gets so mad that we do it during the day.
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Oh my gosh.
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Then what am I experiencing?
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If we asked Ada, she would just say it was the heart of Te Fiti.
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Yeah, it's like a Pizza Time spinoff or whatever.
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Okay. Remind me.
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Oh, yeah.
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This is so like Peter Pan.
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Uh, what the heck?
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Nuh-uh.
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It's the hole to the center of the Earth.
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So where's Santa?
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But it's so funny that she was like, I'll go by myself. It's amazing. She's like, yeah, amazing.
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Oh, my gosh.
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These mysteries of the world.
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We will. I believe we'll know in heaven.
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And that would make sense with this big old hole.
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You know, we should do is have a meet up at Halloween Horror Nights this year. A nab meet up.
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It's like a perfectly circle circle.
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It's a giant hole too. Yeah. Lots of things can crawl out of that.
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It's like, ah, whatever. This picture from NASA where you can see it from a different angle, they're not taking it right overhead. Why is there still a hole?
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Send me a pic.
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Mr. Wang. It's cool, though, too. It is cool.
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Ada, when we lay in bed, she has to decompress verbally.
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What do they do about the sun? Don't they need the sun?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Do they refer to themselves as man? Are they humans?
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No, thank you for me.
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All the worse. Trump did say that he said it was a militant thing, right?
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but they just threw it under the rug and it's like okay the governors don't know this you're telling that's baloney it's such baloney dude it would make sense a lot it would confirm a lot because too it just you know when you hear something it just resonates with you like consider too that they would have found ways out of the inner earth through the ocean we see things coming up out of the ocean missing 411 caves all this cave stuff all the cave stuff yeah
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Green children. Maybe they are familiar with Nephilim.
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I do too. And I mean, it says in scripture that they'll come up out of the earth, doesn't it?
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I had a dream we were in France last night.
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Oui, oui. It was a French conspiracy. I'm like, that's interesting.
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The cult of the Black Cube.
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I know. I wanted to hear it in French.
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That sounds...
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Yeah.
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A bunch of them work.
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Hey, that's me.
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Don't ask me. I want a lullaby.
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Right, which we've heard of.
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So wait, I remember there was a book written about this and they wanted to extinguish a bunch of... People he said that we needed like 500,000 people to exist on earth or something, but this officially is happening
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And all these insane natural disasters in tandem with the fact that we're now doing cloud seeding.
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Yeah, cut it out, you guys. They can't be happy with themselves. You can't go to bed at night and think, oh, wow, I've really accomplished something fantastic here.
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It's nuts.
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There's zero intention.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah, it was spooky. Well, yeah, tech industry, but also just like corporate bigwigs. And it's like... This kind of shadow government, wouldn't it be run by individuals like this that have the most to benefit from and have the most to bargain with, a.k.a. money and power? And, yeah, that was spooky to me, too. The guy that does All Gas, No Brakes, what's his name?
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Super articulate and accurate.
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Ah, interesting.
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But then this morning, lately she's been confusing the words yesterday and tomorrow in their meeting. So she was like, laying bed to her eyes are still closed. She said, what did we do tomorrow?
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Yeah.
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Is it like the World's Fair all over again?
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Oh, cool.
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We can go on it.
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What I was going to say, though, as believers, are we surprised?
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Yeah, truly. Thanks, Solomon.
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It's Josh. Josh said that? Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Busted.
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So who killed him? Open AI?
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You know what they've immediately done with that, though, is affirmed everything that he said.
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Dude, for real. No, seriously.
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Do you remember that video where the girl's like, ham sanitizer. Sand sanitizer. She's like, what?
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I'm scared of acupuncture too. I want to do it, but I'm scared.
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Not because of anything they did, yeah.
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She said it's a lot of chi.
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I thought her name was Gaia. I've been telling everybody Gaia over in Tavares.
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They've really, really helped you.
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Paige went through like a three-year journey with her neck, right? Yeah, it's still ongoing. Oh, is it? Okay. But they helped a lot, right? They did.
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Did you tell her that?
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I'm just kidding. I yeah. No, thank you. I'm perfect anyway. I don't have anything wrong with me. Yeah, true.
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There's a massive police response.
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Oh, my God.
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Yeah. And I was like, we went to the county fair last night. She was like, oh, yes. Can we go there again?
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Good job, boys.
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That was great. Did you say can't or can survive?
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Can. We don't want them to though.
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Oh, I just read Joshua. I didn't retain that.
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Dude, I'm just reading.
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I'm reading Judges.
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And the story of Gideon, but then how they go and they kill his sons, 77 of them.
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Why not?
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It's horrible.
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Can you guys ask everybody instead of just me? Like normal?
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Yeah.
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All of our listeners deserve gifts.
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I don't know how to answer you.
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I think all listeners of the show deserve a gift.
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Because they are listening to our show. That's wonderful.
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Probably the people that listen to the show the most.
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Children.
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Oh, my gosh.
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That's crazy.
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And she wants to apparently once in a drought forever. I don't know. Well said. That's terrible.
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This guy? For sure. You see him?
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We got houses surrounding this lake right now. I know. Do you guys know how the Yucatan Peninsula was named? Yucatan. Speaking of the Gulf of Mexico.
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It was a poop thing in college.
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I don't remember.
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Yeah. The sins of the father and mother.
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That was a good one.
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What the flip? Hold on.
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That's a big shift. It's a big shift. Hey.
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Yeah, that'd be kind of fun. Hey, do you want a song? Speaking of bluey?
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Miss Rachel's net worth. They say between $20 and $30 million. Dang.
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Good for her.
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That's an actual song you were singing?
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How many colors? Red, orange, yellow, blue, indigo, five, seven.
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Yeah, get out.
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A rainbow! Okay.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I remember them very explicitly. One was from her dad, one was from her mom, saying that it was an abomination, that I was poisoning Morgan, that I took her away from the life of Christ. It didn't help that the person Morgan was waiting for to come back from a mission had come back, and they had really hoped that she would marry him. Every time I got a message from them, it was very nasty.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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Morgan's very sacred and pure, stop this now before you ruin that forever for her. Like they deeply wanted to make me hate myself so I didn't feel deserving of Morgan. The messages were overwhelming. After a couple months, it got complicated very quickly. It was just that feeling of thinking that I was destroying someone's salvation. It was taxing emotionally.
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It's like, I'm with you. I care about you. But like, I can't process this with you all the time. I think I started feeling like she needs to branch out. Like I realistically can't be everything for her.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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That intimate connection felt like it stayed at camp. In the real world, it was kind of hard to sustain because I had a lot of ambition. I was really excited about starting my life somewhere new. And it just suddenly was like, oh, this is kind of affecting my ability to be present at work and school. And I'm really rigid about doing right by my career. So Kelsey made a tough decision.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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Ultimately, I came home from school one day and said this is not what I want anymore and I think it's better if we break up she said okay and then left which she would do a lot when she was trying to process something she would go for a run so she went for a run and came back and I was already asleep and she was asleep and we went to bed
Nobody Should Believe Me
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I sat down with her and she had explained that she had been hiding something from me that she didn't want to talk to me about because she didn't want to burden me with it, but she just got really bad news. I honestly thought at the time that it was something with her parents. But it wasn't about her parents.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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That's when she shared that she had been living with terminal bone cancer and she was in remission. But her doctors gave her the prognosis when she was at the doctor today that she had three months to live.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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I asked her more details. She said she was diagnosed when she first went to college. She had an injury, a bone break. They did some testing and they discovered that she had cancer. She was fighting it for about a semester, but she beat that bout and then hadn't had a recurrence until that day. She was so flooded with grief for Morgan that the breakup became an afterthought.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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I remember feeling so deeply sad because my breakup with Morgan was never about not loving her. I cared about her so deeply. The thought of her dying was insane to me and felt so unfair, especially to have this prognosis with her family not being very close. I was devastated for her.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
We were sobbing, and then we went to bed, and I remember holding her, thinking, no, no, this is like my partner going through cancer. This isn't, oh, my ex-girlfriend from yesterday. This was someone I love so deeply, dying. Like, this really is the end of someone's life. The next morning, Kelsey woke up with a new perspective. It changed the way I framed our relationship.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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I felt grateful that she was alive and I was ready to figure this out together.
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She's like, I already have a plan with my doctor. We're going to start treatment. It's really unlikely that I'll survive this treatment, but it's worthy of taking a shot. And so that's what she did.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
The next few weeks, she was doing treatment all the time, like four or five times a week. She would leave the house and come back really tired and struggle to keep a conversation, struggle to stay awake. She was just deeply impacted by the treatment. Quickly, Kelsey took on a caretaker role. I started really doing some research and taking care of her. I was making meals.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I distinctly remember trying to complete homework and being like, I can't finish this. She's puking somewhere, thinking like, get your priorities straight. This is someone's life. This is the end of their human life. And you're worried about not finishing this math problem?
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
Like why was I wasting my time on these early morning classes for like my own benefit when she only had a few months left to live? I just suddenly felt selfish and stupid. And that's really the moment that I reframed my entire life. For the first time in her life, Kelsey let school take a backseat.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I was letting go of a lot of things I'd worked my whole life toward, but I was like, I can do this for three months for somebody to enjoy the last few months of their life.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
She considered her like a second mom. We drove out of state to visit her. This family friend was with her when Morgan got her first diagnosis of having bone cancer. And she was with her when she was doing IV treatments. To meet someone who was so intimately involved with her treatments, I felt really bonded right away. I remember her saying I didn't even know what I was doing.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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I just got kind of thrown into this. I was like, I didn't know what I was doing either.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
Her attorney had shared with her that when she died, her health payout would be really big and it would go to her parents because that's next of kin. And that was really overwhelming for her. Like she had fought so hard for her queerness and now suddenly in her death as a queer woman, all this money would be granted to her parents.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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But if she were married to me, then I would get to decide where that money goes.
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Of course, whatever you need to do what you want to do with the end of your life. So for her, this was a really meaningful way of honoring her life. So we agreed that we would get married.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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I tried to make our life so joyful and loving and silly. And that's how we just tried to spend our time. We didn't have very much left.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
She would go to treatment and come back and throw up. She was tired all the time. I remember coming home from work and she'd have like fallen over. She seemed very weak to me. And this is also how my mom would describe her treatments going through breast cancer. Morgan would like lose her hair. I'd come home and she'd have taken a nap and she'd have hair on the pillow.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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She was very, very clear that this was her private journey and that she had already burdened me enough and she didn't want me to lose work or lose school.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
By that time, we had gotten word that she'd beat that bout of cancer. There was a lot of medical language, but essentially, it was like... we're doing good hold on not you'll live but like I'm feeling okay today and for the next couple weeks because I think this treatment is working
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I still worked full time. I still finished my degree. By the time graduation came around, I just like barely made it. Like I barely emotionally, physically, spiritually made it. I just remember being an empty person when my family came for graduation. I just felt like nothing.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I was able to stand alongside the valedictorian, which... would have been me and share my story about what happened with my partner, like what it really meant for me to give up my schooling in order to help someone I loved.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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She didn't feel good enough to fly, but she did feel good enough to drive. So that's when we booked our trip for our wedding ceremony.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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There was something really beautiful and intimate. It felt like the end to me. She just didn't seem all there. But there's something about being in nature together and our dynamic started in nature. It was actually really beautiful. The whole trip we took disposable cameras and It was very fleeting and lovely.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
And I remember one of the nights just before we had our ceremony, we slept on the beach of the Lost Coast and there was something really poetic about waking up. Morgan was still sleeping and I got out of the tent and like looked out into the ocean and just thought like, if I can love someone this big, one day after Morgan's passing, someone will be able to love me in this way back.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
We wrote our vows on, like, hotel napkins. Like, my white dress is in the corner. I'm, like, sitting down with this piece of paper, and I suddenly didn't know what to say. I feel like vows are for promising to someone, but I don't know how to promise something to her in her death. Like, it just suddenly felt wrong. Maybe it was nerves. She couldn't help but overthink the whole thing.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I got to stop thinking in my head, and so I kind of cleared my head of everything. And this was the commitment she made. Promising her that the memory of her and who I knew her to be and the love that people didn't get the chance to know, especially her family, that would live on.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
We drove into the woods and found a really neat tree. That was two trees that like corkscrewed into one. And there was like one little spot where you could squeeze into. And so we squeezed into these trees and signed the paperwork and we left.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
We drove back from California and I was like driving into the sun as it was going down thinking, I know in my heart that I've done everything that I possibly can for Morgan to feel loved well. Like I felt like I had finished what I needed to do. I remember her looking at me with a lot of love and like she saw me as a wife and Like, I almost felt her relief. Like, okay, got it.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
Everything's going to be okay. I obviously interpret that differently now.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
My mom was the first one to be like, does this seem off at all to you? It was really the first time someone said something that made me think, what do you mean off? Like I was immediately defensive.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
We're legally married and now... Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for watching.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
When I hear other people's horrific stories of things that have happened to them, I now have a lens of what a human experience to love so deeply that we're willing to suspend disbelief that high is like. I truly believe that deception really comes from a deep desire to be loved. And I can sympathize with a desire to be loved.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
My dad was really abusive to all of us kids and my mom. And so my mom was finally able to get out when I was about three months old. She packed all of us up, left my dad, and drove cross-country to my mom's hometown. That's where I spent most of my life.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
He actually went to prison after my mom left. And if he got out of prison, there was this fear that my dad would find us one day.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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I remember my mom would like brush out my hair so I looked more white. And so I looked like the other Mormon girls in town. And then essentially told me not to talk about my background, which worked because she was also, I think, hiding us from my dad in prison.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
It was finally getting away from my dad, but then she had a bout of cancer she thought she was going to die from.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
And that was definitely on purpose. I think that she wanted to be super careful. And even when I asked her about it, I even remember her saying, this was private, this is adult things. I don't want to scare you. I'm protecting you from this information. Kelsey's escape was the Girl Scouts.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I had this tiny pocket of girlhood that was so fun, like waiting once a week with my girlfriends to earn badges. When I think about where I felt like I mattered most, it was there.
Nobody Should Believe Me
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I would go for weeks at a time. I just loved summer camp. I was meeting women who were older than me, who were models of what it was like to really be yourself. Oh, I have the best memories at Girl Scout camp.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I just thought they were so special and cool. I just thought, that's it. I'll be there one day.
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Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I'm going to do whatever it takes to get out of the state I was raised in and really find myself. So I got perfect grades and worked really hard in school. But this was also around the same time that I fell in love for the first time and I fell in love with a girl in the grade above me.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
At the time, I think I was afraid of being gay. Definitely afraid of the implications of it.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I loved being on my own for the first time. I came out and openly had a relationship and thought that was so special. And I was doing really good in school.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I transferred to the public university. I was just pretty isolated and it wasn't the dream for me, but it's all I could afford.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I was doing real programming work and I went to summer camp that year early because senior staff meets early before counselors get there.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I had a lot of friends at camp, like I had been really established there. This was the first work experience I ever had when I was out. And for the first time at camp, we had other queer people. They really diversified our pool of hiring that year.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Betrayal Weekly
I remember her walking into the office. She was very sporty, so she had the classic REI look, and then the cut-off hair, and she just had the most beautiful eyes. I just remember thinking, ah, mostly because it was the most radical thing I'd ever known for someone to cut off their hair. When they first met, Morgan was shy.
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but she and Morgan had a close mutual friend in common. My other camp friend really vouched for her and was like, trust me when she opens up, you're gonna love her. And over time she did. It felt like she chose Kelsey. I felt really honored. I just felt like she kind of opened up more to me. I felt really privileged to be the one person that she was opening up to.
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Like we would spend the weekend after training just talking. And everyone was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe you got her to talk to you. That's how shy she was. And she was telling me like really intimate details about her life.
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She had shared about some sexual assault, body dysmorphia, struggles with an eating disorder. I just felt like I really knew her.
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In camp time, that's three years. It's a massive amount of time that people don't normally get to spend in a very intense environment where you're like growing and learning and changing about yourself and finding things from kids and teaching kids of remarkable things that change you. It really is a lifetime together.
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Camp relationships are famously passionate and intense and destructive, which is why we avoid them at all costs.
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She had shared that she was really struggling with her eating disorder at camp. And eating with your campers is such a huge part of the experience, like you're with your campers 24-7. And we're really rigid at camp about calorie intake and water intake.
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She had gotten disciplinary write-ups from the camp director. If she didn't get it under control, this was not going to be the job for her.
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And so she was really nervous about losing her job because she really loved the work. I remember spending all of my free time. I got books from the local library and brought them up to camp and was reading about eating disorders. Like I really... became her resource to stay in. I was like, I'll help you stay. Don't worry. I've got this under control. And I really felt responsible for that.
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They were spending a lot of time together, even when they had days off. We would travel as friends, like off to go to Walmart and get face wipes or to a local festival. We tried to get as much time off from camp as possible. My outside of camp time became Morgan time.
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And I just think there was this little switch. One weekend, we were just alone for the first time really together. And then we kissed. Now it was clear that the attraction was mutual. After that week, we started sharing like a journal. So we had a notebook that we would write notes to each other and then keep it in a cubby. And then I'd write it, put it away, and she'd write it and put it away.
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And so we sort of had this very sweet romance at camp.
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She met with her parents, and I wasn't with her. I was in the parking lot, but I remember seeing them at a picnic bench. She came out to them, and it didn't go well. She got back in the car. She was like, they believe I'm living in sin. They think this is wrong. They think that any person who had influence over me is of the devil and that I should separate myself from those people.
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She was really, really emotional about it. Her parents' rejection brought the two of them even closer. It sort of deepened that connection. It was like, look what we're fighting for.
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We were all like, look how adult we are. We have our own space and our own beds. So it wasn't like, oh, I live with my girlfriend now. It was very much like we were just continuing the summer camp experience. I think we were on that high of the summer fling.
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Figuring out bus schedules, like everything was just really fun. I also remember doing paintball fights and making cookies and burning them for the neighbors. But soon, reality set in. I was working also a full-time job while I was in school because I had to pay for it. I was doing everything to put me on the trajectory to go to my master's program.
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And at this point, I was on track to be valedictorian. Kelsey's priority was school. We just weren't getting as much time together and we're like drifting a little bit.
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Ask Charlie Anything 208: Fat Kids = Child Abuse? Afghanistan Alternatives? Is DCFS Abusive?
Hi, Charlie.
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Ask Charlie Anything 208: Fat Kids = Child Abuse? Afghanistan Alternatives? Is DCFS Abusive?
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Ask Charlie Anything 208: Fat Kids = Child Abuse? Afghanistan Alternatives? Is DCFS Abusive?
Okay. So I'm great. Thank you. So this is thought crimey, but I'm interested in your thoughts in the spirit of Maha. So it is child abuse to not feed your child leading to low weight and malnutrition. Should it be child abuse to have an obese child? Thank you for all you do.
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My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
So I just don't know how to approach it and be like, hey, you need to take control of your health and I'm just worried about you. I don't want to marry you in a month just to have to
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My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
Well, I've asked him if he wants to go to counseling with me because I go to counseling every other week. And he says, no, like there's nothing going on. And I just it has. caused like some issues in our relationship.
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My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
Yeah, I mean, it's just, like, caused a lot of issues, like, sexually. And, like, we went to Gatlinburg last year on vacation and just, like, we couldn't do certain things.
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My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
Because, like, we couldn't do the mountain coasters or the zip lines. And, I mean, I know that's all stuff, but, like... No, it's about a life you're building. Mm-hmm.
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My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
Because... Well, I was diagnosed with ovarian cancer last... And so I just like, I don't know if like my... Kelsey, stop right now.
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My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
I just, like, I don't want to make him feel bad because my whole life, my mom, like, would always be on me about my weight. And, like, it just has caused so much, like, I don't know, PTSD. Like, that's what I think about constantly is, like, is she going to tell me I look like I gained weight today? Or, like, and I don't want him to feel that way.
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My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
And I don't know what to do because I'm always just trying to make sure he's okay. I know.
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My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
I just have so much trauma in my life that it's scary he's going to leave me like my last husband did.
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My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
It's just so hard because, yeah, like I just know how it feels.
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My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
Yeah. And there's a big disconnect with my kids as well. He's there, but it's like he's not there for them. Yeah.
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My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
Oh, nothing much. I'm super nervous.
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My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
Yeah. So, well, I have a lot of problems in my life, but I'll just get to the one that I... Pick three or four.
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My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
You can find me like a whole week's worth of shows about my life, but... Anyways, my question today is, how can I talk to my fiancé about his weight without seeming shallow or too judgmental?
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My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
I mean, I'm concerned for his health. Okay. So, I mean... He's great in every other way. I couldn't have picked a better person for myself. But I think when we first got together, I was really attracted to the fact that I'm on a weight loss journey. I just lost 90 pounds. I go to the gym five days a week.
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My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
And even our first dates were going to the gym and going for bike rides and everything like that. But we moved in together about a year ago. And all of that just stopped. So he's gained all that weight back and then some. And I just, he has no motivation to do anything, like work out with me, go for a walk with me, anything.
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I cannot even function because I'm just crying.
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My mom left us when I was four. I truly felt like for a while I had no family.
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Scared of losing Paul, scared of doing the wrong thing, scared of not being enough.
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How do I get my inner child out of this relationship? Because I feel like she's running the show.
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I don't know what to do.
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I cannot even function because I'm just crying. My mom left us when I was four. I truly felt like for a while I had no family.
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He triggered me a lot. Scared of losing Paul, scared of doing the wrong thing, scared of not being enough.
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I'm a hairstylist and essentially a stay-at-home mom, too. Mm-hmm.
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Definitely. Stay on the same page. Stay in your own lane. Don't be looking at influencers and all the things that they try to tell you to go and buy.
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Because he knows a lot in his head, but I'm just like, what?
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I'm part time. So I go in a few days a week and do some hair and everything. But most of the time staying with the girls for about two years now.
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We have Emmy, who is five. And then Hannah, if she's going to join us, she is two.
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Oh, man. You've got some little ones.
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I'm ready to jump in.
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How do I get my inner child out of this relationship? Because I feel like she's running the show.
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I truly felt like for a while I had no family.
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I cannot even function because I'm just crying. My mom left us when I was four. I truly felt like for a while I had no family.
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He triggered me a lot. Scared of losing Paul, scared of doing the wrong thing, scared of not being enough.