Eric
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48 Hours
Poison
I just dismissed it. I'm like, okay, well, I guess that happens lots of times. The spouse gets blamed for things.
48 Hours
Poison
Eric was very agitated. They had to put him in restraints. Watching my brother that way, out of control, it was horrible. It was the worst night that I can remember of my life.
48 Hours
Poison
Ann was feeding us information that Daryl was obsessed with her. We did think that it was possible that Daryl poisoned Eric and in the end was trying to get him out of the picture.
48 Hours
Poison
I am scared. I am scared to death for Claire's well-being. At any moment, she could be poisoning Claire.
48 Hours
Poison
She threw away all of Eric's soiled clothing from his first night of being ill. She threw away all of the bathroom rugs. Instead of just washing things like any normal person would do, she threw everything away.
48 Hours
Poison
We needed to protect our granddaughter. We needed to take Ann out of her life, at least until... Claire's an adult.
48 Hours
Poison
Why did you brutally murder my brother Eric? Poisoning him, watching him suffer. I think sometimes that you just can't explain it. There's pure evil in the world, and I think she falls into that category of pure evil.
48 Hours
Poison
He was laid in this bed with a tube in his mouth because they had tried to resuscitate him. He was cold. And I wanted to take that tube out. I wanted to cover it up because he was so cold.
48 Hours
Poison
I think Eric truly blossomed when he went to college. He got involved in biology and chemistry and research, and he found that that's what he wanted to do.
48 Hours
Poison
I had met some of the girls he had been dating prior to Ann. Then I could tell there was a difference when he introduced me to Ann.
48 Hours
Poison
He looks at me and he says, Mom, you always told me how much you loved me. But he said, I never knew how much you loved me until I had Claire.
48 Hours
Poison
He was thrashing. And he started to cry. And he was like, why are they doing this to me? I remember laying on top of him physically. Because he was thrashing so much, and I was so afraid he was going to hurt himself. And I laid on top of him, and I just got in his face, and I said, Eric, you need to calm down. It's going to be okay.
48 Hours
Poison
Some friends of theirs had brought in some food. Ann was going to serve that and they were going to have that and have just the quiet time.
48 Hours
The Perplexing Death of Susann Sills
I woke up and my dad was just like on the covers, just laying there. Like there wasn't enough room to get in, I guess. So I just was laying there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
She's like a newborn. She's amazing. Did you find her battery pack and her motherboard?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
But man, it sounds like a pretty significant bit of heart disease. None of this sounds very mild.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Right. In the 60s, he would have died.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Well, one thing I found very comforting, and I'm leaping ahead a bit, but if I understood this paragraph correctly, we do know some markers for aging, some DNA markers that are good for aging. But you say that even if you were to have all 20 of those, really, it's going to be about 12% of the pie that's going to predict your lifespan or healthspan.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I found this deeply comforting because I don't come from a long line of old people. You and me both. Yeah, it's very scary. I think common wisdom growing up was, well, you get good genetics or you don't. I guess I was a little relieved that maybe at best is only 12% of the story.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
You break it up into five dimensions that help with healthspan extension. And I guess, even though we've talked about it in the past, maybe we'll just delineate the difference between lifespan and healthspan.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
If you could hike to 85 or be sedentary to 105 from 70 on, yeah, I think we would all likely pick very active with a little less time.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
This is off topic, but to hear you say demented in the clinical sense, did that fly for you too? No, I like it. I never hear it in the actual. You're only saying someone's wacky, right? Like a young person.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
That's what I hear. If you listen to the show, you'd hear it even more.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Every single episode. Okay. So the five dimensions that you break it up into are lifestyle, cells, omics, artificial intelligence, and number five, drugs and vaccines. So I just will say up front, I read Outlive, Peter Atiyah's book, and just loved it, probably because it cooperated my belief in what you should do. But at any rate, lifestyle has got to be the biggest chunk of this book.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Oh, great. I want you to flag those.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
So I had an argument with Dr. Mike about this because I've had it and I'm pro. I understand... what your concern is, but I do think you can go into it with the right mindset, which is I'm not going to chase down everything. I'm not going to have a bunch of follow-up stuff.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I'm going to look for a big-ass tumor that we're going to monitor, and I'm going to go next year and see if that thing's exploding. I mean, I think there is some way to do it, but I understand it does set off all this medical intervention that potentially has more downsides
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
You got to be strong mentally to have it, is my argument.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
But Eric, I smoked crack for years. I smoked cigarettes for 20 years. Like I needed a good scan. I stand by my scan. Found out I had scoliosis. I was like, oh, that's cool. I had no idea. It's extreme.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
But that's like saying driving Mercedes are bad because only some people can afford them.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
It can be dangerous for your arteries. Not the protein itself, but what you're eating to get the protein?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Well, Lane Norton, anyone that's into bodybuilding would. The most important part of those studies is every single keto plant-based, all diets, all the meta-analysis, if you control for protein, they all work the same. That's really, really relevant. And that's Just uber consistent.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
We're giving you liquid death. I know. The irony. There's something wrong with that picture. Is that your super cute Bronco out there? That's my daughter's. Oh, I like it.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Well, what we could agree, and the only thing I was going to borrow from the book, is he points out we got great with vaccines and we got great with treating with antibiotics a lot of different diseases. What we all now have to deal with is these chronic four disorders, obesity and diabetes, heart disease, cancer, and then neuro, which are in your book.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
So these are the four that are going to most plague us now. We're not going to die of... cholera or some medieval disease anymore. These are the four that we got to really focus on. And lifestyle is hugely impactful for the four horsemen.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
The only one that troubles me is the muscle loss. Yeah. That's the only thing you gotta really be on top of.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Also, I like that there could be a good way.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Although, okay, so I was arguing with a friend recently and he said, oh, I don't want to be on that because I hear you might have to take it for the rest of your life. And I said, are you stressed out that you have to drink water every day for the rest of your life or that you got to eat food every day for the rest of your life? There's a lot of shit.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
You got to brush your teeth for the rest of your life. I think that's a weird mental hiccup.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, yeah. I don't know if you remember, but sales of those Broncos exploded after that. Oh, yeah. You couldn't get your hands on a white Bronco. No kidding. Oh, yeah. Ford couldn't make them fast enough.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Am I right in that the diabetics have been taking this medicine for 15 or 20 years? It's not as new as people think.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Also, the precarious origin of the medicine having been invented by a company that's primary source of income is insulin production. And the fact that they even allowed this drug that potentially was going to cannibalize their real business. All of it's very interesting.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
You could have seen them almost killing this thing because they're like, well, that's just going to destroy our insulin.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
What was the appeal that you beat like OJ? That's a great question. I think just seeing a vehicle on display for such a long period of time, and I guess it looked formidable. And I think young men were like, oh, yeah.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
OK, so in lifestyle, let's go through some of this stuff. So diet, you're taking a real magnifying glass to a lot of these things that we're already aware of. When we talk about diet, let's talk about ultra processed food and sweeteners a little bit.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
My kids bring home stuff sometimes. I'm like, how did they even think of this? Let's construct this product. Yeah. It was like Reese's Pieces Cups Popcorn. And I was like, well, you're damn right that's going to be delicious. But how did they do it?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
There was a 60 Minutes on long ago, and the segment was about food additive chemists. They're basically perfumists, really. And they take this group of them to an orange grove in California. And they're watching them all take one off the tree and peel it, and then they're tasting it. And this one scientist says, oh, yeah, it's this, breaking down all the things.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And he said, now, we wouldn't design it like this because you'll notice the taste lasts for a really long time. It stays in your mouth for a bit. And we want something that goes away almost immediately after you experience something. the nice taste so that you want to replace it. And I was like, this is actually nefarious. It's not just I want to make it taste good.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I want to make it taste good for a blip. So you have to have more immediately. How are you going to compete with a brain trust like that, figuring out how to make you eat as much as possible?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
What's the mechanism that would be happening?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, yeah. Someone should do some social science on that.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah. How are you? It's been a while.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
By the way, this GLP one, there's so many things that are auxiliary to it. One of them being, you've read these articles where these food companies are now worried that people are not going to be eating junk food as much.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
They have to have a game plan in place So isn't that weird?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
We're both going to service our own pet projects. Hers is alcohol, mine's weightlifting.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
That's what we grew up with. One glass of wine is good for your heart.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
As well as everything else in the store. Yeah, exactly.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
We were independent for three years. Then we were at Spotify for three years. And now we're at Wondery.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Now, I love this because I am an abuser of caffeine. So tell us about caffeine and its impact. This is, I think, the shocker. This is the only good news in your book, I think.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Where are we at on red meat versus plant-based?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I think primary care physician for a while.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yes. Anytime you study humans, it's just such a messy business. It is. So you go red meat. Okay. Well, what's your red meat consumption? Well, if we look closer, it's like, well, red meat consumption is largely probably happening through hamburger consumption. And now when we eat hamburgers, what else do we eat? People eat French fries with hamburgers.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Like how you're parsing out the red meat, as opposed to if we studied anyone who only eats a plate of ground beef, that's a hard person to find.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I don't want to lose you as a friend.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I eat a lot of red meat. Oh, okay. I eat a lot of meat. But also I'll add, I have psoriatic arthritis. I do not want to be an immune suppressant. I was for years. It took me seven years to figure out what was triggering it all. So I have a diet now that works for me and I don't have to be on any medicine and I don't have any symptoms anymore.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Well, I can't eat gluten. I can't eat garlic. I can't eat peanuts, a list of things. But what the result ends up being is, yeah, I have a pretty low carbohydrate diet because I can't eat pasta or bread, but I'm not afraid of a potato or some rice. Yeah, that's all right. And my cholesterol right now is great.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And this is, there have been a few guests that have really captured our heart.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
All my markers, and I'm spoiled in that, were in a study with Dr. Richard Isaacson for Alzheimer's. So I'm getting a lot of work done there. I get a lot of blood panels. Things are good.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
But I do eat an amount of red meat that would really break your heart.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And that's the most exciting part of this chapter is with the help of AI, for people to actually know what diet they should be on, to me, seems like would be one of the most helpful things.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Oh, did he? Because it was quite a mystery.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, the notion we'd have a food pyramid for 300 million people is a fucking fantasy.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And I think it's been the great frustration with consumers with the nutritional sciences in general, which is we're wanting them to have a magic bullet for all humans. And of course, that's why they contradict each other all the time. And there's no consensus in that field. It's a very frustrating phenomenon. field to monitor.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
But it's because we are so individual, and that's really going to be the answer probably.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And what will that AI model look like? Will that be a combination of it having mapped your genome, you're wearing some sensors, it knows what you're eating? How will that come together?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Even when you ask people to say what they ate, they need help. And also, it's a tall order to ask people, like, don't eat carbs. Well, wouldn't it be great if they said, oh, no, you can have as many potatoes as you want. Stay away from rice, and you're allowed to have this. That's a manageable approach for people. Right. Oh, I think that'll be a breakthrough. Okay.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Is that true? No, that's not true.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I have to ask because my wife will want to know this the most. Environmental toxins. How serious of a concern are these?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Was that other person making stuff up me? Yeah, probably.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Okay, so I need more influence. When I get in these debates with her, I go, I'm not arguing at all that we're not measuring more plastic in the body.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
But I hope it's gotten to you over the years. We talk about you quite a bit and we have such a warm spot in our heart for you. That was such a lovely interview the first time. Thank you. So last time you were here promising us that we would be completely without a need of a doctor. Our smartphone would be doing all of our stuff. And here we are six years later.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah. Yeah. Where would you be getting all these plastics other than you're drinking from a ton of soda? And are we actually seeing the result of massive soda consumption or the plastics in the bottle that the soda came in?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I do. I'm the only one in my family. The whole family is like all plastics. I'm like the old man.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
She's on it. I'm the only one that's still drinking out of the plastic water bottles.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I know. I have these blender cups and I fill them up over and over again with protein shakes and stuff.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I don't know how someone is two standard deviations above or below the plastic consumption. It comes in your can that is aluminum, but it's got a plastic line. Like how on earth is anyone taking in more or less?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
There's so much happening. You get fatigued on all the problems we have. The fires thing happened, right? Big panic in my house. And I'm like, it's going to cut however many years off our life, but it's going to cut that many years off of every single person we know. In some weird way, I go like, yeah, but we won't be uniquely punished for this. It's everyone. It's everything.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And where are we at on that before we move on to... We have a bone to pick.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And an illusion that you can escape it. So maybe I've surrendered everything.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
We fall in love with their spirit.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, okay, so we nailed the lifestyle portion. We skipped exercise, but I talk enough about that. Social isolation, we've also had Vivek on a couple times talk about that. That's really relevant. But let's talk about cells and what's coming our way and what's going to help us.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, you think it's destroyed, and you even say there's damage within these organs, and you would think that would be permanent.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And that's with altering your T-cells or suppressing your T-cells? These are B-cells. B-cells. I'm sorry. What are B-cells?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I didn't want to be on it. I'm trading this for cancer potential or I'm trading this for an infection. And you're having to increase them, which is the nature of them.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, did they find that MS has this triple whammy if you've had Epstein-Barr and herpes?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And it just starts eating your myelin sheath?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Oh, Jesus. So even having the human involved in the system made it worse?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And Eric Topol's like at the top of that list. We think he is the cutest person alive.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I bet it's both, right? Because I do think half of the art of AI is learning how to prompt it. It's such a specific way to communicate. And I've only been dabbling in it. And I'm learning as I go how to get a better answer out of it.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And then now we get into artificial intelligence.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
We're going to direct our resources and our mindfulness on this.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Do you think a lot of people will be listening and going like, yeah, that all sounds great. Some people are going to get access to that, but there's no way it's going to get democratized to a point where I'm ever going to be able to.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
They say like 80% of your lifetime resources you spend in the last couple years of your life.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
We could spend all that money on defense. Well, that'll sell it, sure.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
So we talked about GLP-1s, the T-cell engineering.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Are we in an age where we might get a vaccine for every type of cancer at some point?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Right. We basically train your T cells to identify this preemptively.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Because the AI is just in the room listening and handling all that stuff.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Every time I have someone equipped to answer this question, I have so much curiosity around senescence. Okay. Because the great mystery to me is if you have this process, mitosis, and it makes an exact replica of itself, why on earth at some point does it stop making an exact replica of itself? What is the process?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And the one thing I heard on NPR one day, it was like an hour-long story, and you quote him a ton in your book, is this guy who started erasing layers of the epigenome in mice. And he was erasing so much that initially it would put their body into a state of being like a baby and their organs would grow too big. And then it was learning to dial back how much we erase from this.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Because you accumulate garbage and flaws in your epigenome, yeah? Yes. I know already you don't care about living to 200. You're right about that. I already know you don't care. I am fascinated by that.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I got one wow out of him, and I'm going to sleep like a baby tonight. Continue.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Could save the career path in a way, because every time I interview a doctor and I ask if they would push their children into medicine, almost all of them say no. It's very disheartening to see how few doctors want their kids to pursue that.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Three billion, you said it right. There you go.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
A 96-year-old that's like, either make me young tomorrow or I want to die in a week. That's who you're looking for, I guess.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
It breaks some of our previously held tenets of biology.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Outrageously smart. He is a cardiologist, a scientist, an author, and the director and founder of Scripps Research Institute. His books include Deep Medicine, The Patient, We'll See You Now. That's what we had him on for last time. And now his new book, which is out, Super Agers, An Evidence-Based Approach to Longevity. This was a blast.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, that's incredible. Eric, you're so impressive.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Okay, go ahead. But I want to make sure we get them out of here in a reasonable time.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Okay, then I'll save how much I adore you and I'm impressed. Go ahead, peptides.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
What peptides? Thank you. Which peptides?
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
This will dovetail beautifully into why I would recommend this book to people. Because you are an optimist, but you haven't drank the Kool-Aid.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
It's a very, very moderate approach with a lot of optimism. And I think this is the book for Monica.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Several of the peptides are in his book.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
This is how upset he is before he finishes the one.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I'm going to make a counterargument. You guys aren't going to like it. Many of these peptides, these are off-label uses of peptides because they saw different results from studies that weren't even addressing this in the exact same one the GLP-1s, which you love. It was not designed for what we're using it for, but we started noticing something.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Tessamorelin. This was developed for HIV patients. What did they find when people were on this? They had a reduction of abdominal fat. That was just a side effect they found. Very well studied, administered. It's been used for 40 years. It's a very well-known peptide, and it had this auxiliary effect of reducing abdominal fat.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah. Then we could get into how many studies there are that abdominal fat is a huge indicator of future for horseman stuff. This is the Dr. Isaacson. This is a dementia.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
We'd have to go through each and every one of them, but most of them weren't developed for the thing that it's being used for.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Latisse, this eyelash thing, was a glaucoma medicine that they found, oh, everyone using it has beautiful eyelashes.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
What you're upset about is that there isn't the data for the off-label use. But there is plenty of data for the peptide itself in the other application. In the same way that the GLP-1 had a ton of data for diabetics before, as you said earlier, they were refusing to study it for obesity.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
But you're at a stage where you're going, we should try it for obesity. And you're going, there's no study for obesity. It's for diabetics. And it's like, now we're post that. It turns out, no, that was great for me.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Well, because I've slept like shit forever. So that's my hunch there.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I'm just pointing out you have an argument for one thing that you feel solid about, which was GLP-1's work for diabetics. It wasn't being studied for obesity. It is very safe. And now it turns out it's great for obesity. So we are at a phase with many peptides where the off-label use is just now happening. And it's already been studied for these other things to be safe.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
So now we're just at the point where we're going to evaluate them for the off-label use. use, but you guys are going, no, don't use it for off-label because we don't have that study yet. It's a little contradictory to your embracing of the GLP-1s.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
It seems like we need AI to be able to prescribe us medicine. And I guess we could have a bucket of that medicine, non-narcotic or whatever things you would not want to be gamed or be dangerous. Where were we at with that? And that's ultimately what you would really want is you get a thorough examination, ask all the same questions as the doctor would ask you.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
So where the data is totally fine. Yeah. But a pessimism about that the data will prove out to be not real, I don't think is warranted. I think it should be given the same neutral opinion that the GLP ones.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
It's like, I hate that the government regulates. Okay, well, now it's been stolen from you. And what do you want now? You want a regulatory committee to come in and chase down your money and give it back. So everything you liked about it, you now are a victim of. And now you want all the regulation.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I totally agree with that mindset of I just want anything that's not that thing I hate is ridiculous and dangerous.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, I'm of the opinion there are hidden jewels. And I agree with you that they're being overused and without a doctor.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
But there are good doctors who do believe in some of the ones that have now a great off-label use that will ultimately, in my opinion, be just like the GLP ones.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been outnumbered a few times in this, but that's okay. I can handle it. Now, my closing statements. You're so impressive. Your body of knowledge is mind-blowing. Reading the book and then also just what you can bring off the dome, it's mind-blowing. And I think you have real integrity and a great heart.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And I'm really, really delighted you're a voice in this space. I loved getting to meet you the first time and I'm so glad you came back the second time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Oh, wonderful. Well, we'll have you back for sure. You're going to write another book and you'll give us more fun information.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Door is always open. I really encourage people to read your wonderful book, Super Agers, An Evidence-Based Approach to Longevity. Again, we got bogged down in the bad stuff. It is a very optimistic book.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
You take some pictures and then it says you need this topical ointment. Go pick it up here.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, absolutely. All right. Well, thanks for coming.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Okay, you want to hear the thing that I screen grabbed?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Okay. This is a callback to our period underwear episode.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And if anything, it's like you have your big butt and then you have a miniature butt up front. It looks like two little butt cheeks if you really look at it. God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Even when you're saying it, I'm like, well, no, not that one. You could just go the boobs. I'm like, no, no, everyone knows those are beautiful. And then the... What?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I mean, I think, obviously, the penis is the most ridiculous part of the body. The placement's goofy. It looks silly. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
It's so interesting. Yeah. Um... What else? We're both in white.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Fun. The top is like, it looks like the inside of a sweatshirt.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, you look like you looked the other day. I mean, now I'm noticing, yes, the eyes were an extra bit. But yes, it's still something a little different.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I would not have guessed that. Okay. Under eye concealer. And lipstick.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Every fucking time I leave the house, I'm in lipstick.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
If you're in triage, you only have time for one application.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Sure, a little pop. Remind people what's happening. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna say this with the utmost gratitude. I am so happy I live with all women. It's such a blessing. I'm glad I don't live with a bunch of men and boys. And I'm blessed to work with you all day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Right, like one rung above over the counter.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
But sometimes the spirits blow through town.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Now, it would be easy to blame period. And in a few years, I will be able to blame period.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
No, because neither are my daughters. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. But sometimes the spirits, just the emotion spirits blow through town.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And all the ladies are so emotional. And I, as the guy, I'm like, what has happened? Is it weather, moon, food? Is the well poisoned? What?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
That would be incredible. Now, I am curious because in your own history, you famously left the Cleveland Clinic in 05 because you were sounding an alarm that there was this drug, Vioxx. Yeah. That was quite detrimental to patients.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
You know, I'm clutching at straws because I'm not sure what it is, but it'll just be, we have these days where everyone is very emotional.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
upset or just like well can you assign your emotions so can you give an example because maybe i can help maybe i can tell you what's going on okay so um boy and i keep really trying to evaluate when's when do i have to stop talking about my kids because they're old no i'm not sure It's very hard for me.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
It is. But I'll just say because whatever. Yeah, like just indiscriminately. You know, D-Money's got a zone or it's almost maniac. It's like she's laughing really hard and then all of a sudden she's crying. She's completely upset. She's on a roller coaster. She's on a big, big time roller coaster. And then we had... Now, Lincoln had her play last night, right? The sixth graders put on a thing.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And then they've made these enormous papier-mâché heads. And when I say enormous, they're the size... of 10 basketballs.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And they have to go on stilts on the, someone wears them. Lincoln was lucky enough to have one. And they're the Greek gods. And then there's a play and a dance.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Really cool. First song they kicked us off with was Seven Nation Army. Oh, yes, you do. Do I? Jack White. Is it the White Stripes or just Jack White?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Oh, it's the toughest, coolest song. And all these little Catholic schoolgirls are fucking rocking to the most badass song. Wow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
She had like this contraption on to hold the head up. I'll send you a picture, of course.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Pictures and video. You know, D-Money can't even get through that thing. We got to go outside a few times. I'm on the verge of going like, hey, everyone had it together for your thing, but I know that's only going to make things worse. I can't really see anything.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Then we get home, and I don't... Lincoln had that thing on her thing for a very long time, and her legs hurt in a way that, honestly, it seems like she would have had to have been shot with a shotgun for them to hurt as bad as they did. And again, man, groin pain.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
All of it's possible, but it's a grand mal meltdown, and I got to carry people upstairs, and the other person's already thing, and then Sweet Belle's just home from New York, and she's frazzled, and there's too many suitcases, and I'm just... And I, the guy perspective is whatever I say is going to make it worse. I can't think of a magic thing. Yeah. That's right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And I need to just accept that people are emotional. And I do that. I'm not trying to talk anyone out of it. But I can see how these patterns emerge, which is just like, I just say less and less and less. And I'm more and more scared to just interact with anybody. And so I find that like, I'm just quiet for like eight hours, which is really funny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And then I go to bed and I'm like, you know, hopefully we'll wake up tomorrow and everyone will just kind of be reset for whatever reason.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
It's just one of the very funny gender gappy things that I think is really interesting. And I don't know what it is. And it's just funny to be the solo male in this situation.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
That's the great thing is that— Throughout my life, I generally would make that my, I would be the cause of that. That's my knee jerk. And I think that's why people's emotions are so insufferable to me is that I convince myself it's because of me. I knew it was not because of me, luckily. So that's a huge load off my shoulders.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Because if you can figure out a way that it is your fault, then it really is kind of grueling. Yeah. Now that I experience it, I like kind of go back in my head and I think of all these like dads I knew who just were like, I hadn't heard him talk. They just stopped talking because they just are afraid they're going to make it worse or whatever.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, you know like when the hero in the movie is like walking away and the explosions are happening. And the cool thing to do is not look over your shoulder. You just got to keep strolling. I think that's a little bit like that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
It's kind of a funny experience being a guy a lot of times, you know?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Like there's many times where I look at myself and I'm just kind of laughing. I'm like, look at this guy. You're just kind of like wandering from room to room hoping you don't bump into anyone. Yes, oh yeah. And like a little panicked when you do, when you're forced to say something.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
What also happens is, And maybe you should just always grant everyone. This is like, they build up, you build up trust with one another and they are demonstrating who they are over a long enough period of time that you can really, you have a lot of data to talk yourself out of it, which is like, I know these kids. They're not wimps. They're not, they're not easily defeated, you know?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah. In 2004. You were victorious in this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
So it does get easy over time because you start to see the actual character of your kids and you're not as worried as much.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah. But all to say, You end up just being really quiet. And I just think that's really funny. I think it's really funny.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I also have to be realistic about the trade-offs and the rewards. So the joy of having these girls is like I get to be so affectionate.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And loving all day long. That's like the apex of it. And so, yeah, you don't get that. You don't get like just the good emotions you want to swim in all day, which I do, and not have the other side of the coin.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
All anyone's looking for in life and what is comforting and get you through all of it is if there's any sense that you're getting even fractionally better and you're committed to getting better, then there's like this ultimate tolerance for it. I think it's when someone's not going to change at all or it's getting worse. Sure.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Totally. It totally makes sense. I was having kind of a funny thought, which was, When you meet your grandparents, they've already been through this whole thing, right? So you meet them and you kind of think you're meeting, the original them. But like, I think about my Papa Bob, he was so quiet sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And I just kind of thought he was a quiet guy at times, but I now realize, like, I met him way into the game. This is his second time around with kids in the house and the whole thing. So it's like, he, I don't even know, who knows what my grandpa was like at 25.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, he just learned to be quiet over time. And I think that is the trajectory of all men if they're gonna succeed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I have moods. They just, they show themselves. Their phenotype is different. It's just a different version. And I know a lot of guys that's like this. It just tends to, again, we do the same thing. We get quiet. We isolate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And then we, we, what feels like is we abandon or we retreat.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
That's almost our version of being moody or, or having big feelings is I'll just, I'll remove myself from everyone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And I will soothe with something that's generally solitary. Like I don't want to be around everyone when I'm depressed or in a mood.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And your pursuit of that then exposed this other problem that you got immersed in, which was this interconnectivity between the institute you're working at and the pharmaceutical company.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I think you guys are comfortable around each other having big emotions. And then what's scary to you guys is when we just vanish.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Okay, my update is that he just did Dr. Mike's podcast a few days ago. And Mike said to me, I saw the picture of you and Eric and it's the cutest picture ever.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I really wish he was my dad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I mean, I already have a dad, Tom Hanson.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
But just look how sweet. We could have so much fun lifting weights together and doing father-son stuff.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
If he's around. Yeah. He's a busy man.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
He had brought a sleeveless tee because he's been lifting.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yes. And I said, not only yes, do I want to do that, let me go grab a tank top. Yeah. So I did a little wardrobe change. And his daughter took the picture.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And what happened? Did you just, like, at some point, did you go, like, I got to stop bothering this guy?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Oh, sure. Yeah, that makes sense.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, yeah. So does everyone else. I mean.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I wish I could cite something right now, but I have run across numerous articles that talk about just the overall efficacy of the drugs that are passed by the FDA. And it's abysmal. I mean, it's truly, truly abysmal.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
We're talking like 20% of people will actually benefit from them. You know, really, really low. I guess when the doctor prescribes me something, I think like, well, this thing works. That's why they're prescribing it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And in their defense, no, they're going to try that. It might work. And then if it doesn't work, they're going to try another option.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And they're just knocking out. But I think the general public thinks medicines do the thing they say they're going to, like 100%. Yeah. It's not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
This is current. Yeah. I'll admit it changed in the 90s and it got different.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, that almost doesn't happen.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
As are men's rectums. So bottoms get it way more than tops get it.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah. Fissures, openings, friction.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Well, because the receiver tends to get it more than the giver.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
It would be harder for you to give it to him because he has far less openness on his penis than you have in your vagina. And you have more fissures and openness in your rectum than a penis is going to have.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Then we would be apples to apples. If men and women had sex anally to vaginally.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Well, this is how it seems like making out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And a lot of like suction noises and stuff.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Are you okay? Oh. Oh. Well, when you come, I don't see you and I hear... I did also think for a second you were crying. I'm assuming you've come in crying and someone just assaulted you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
It's double whammy. You came in to the podcast space, which you don't do often.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Look at me. Look at one of these cameras. Come over here and look at that camera.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, we would love to think there's a wall between research and big pharma and even hospitals and big pharma. And this kind of showed that if there's a wall, it's permeable at best.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, we're proud of you, too. We're so proud of you. It's hard. Those bike rides are hard.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
No, this is great actually because it's for Eric Topol and it's about longevity.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Doing it for you, Eric. This feels now scripted almost.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I filled it out too in case we missed it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Tell me what you want to say to Mom, and I'll write it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
So, okay, you left in 2005. 20 years later, do you think this problem is the same, less, or more?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And the Cheshire Cat. I'm like, that kid definitely auditions. He's probably been on TV. You know, because we're in LA. The White Rabbit. Oh, White Rabbit. Yeah, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Well, I was telling Delta before the play, the night before, she's like nervous. And I said, I just want you to hear from me. What impresses me is putting yourself out there. I do not care if you're good. If you remember your lines, what is admirable is putting yourself out there. And you will do that because you'll show up. So there's really nothing to be nervous about from my approval.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Did anyone from Purdue go to jail?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Oh, meaning like it's a fringe astrology thing. It's an evolution of astrology.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Great job. Great job. I'm very proud of you. That's the hardest workout.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I will produce, I will cite the many articles that say it's great for you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I love him. We can't wait to do it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
I hope he's bigger than me in the next photo. That would be incredible. He's going to have to up his protein intake.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
It correlates beautifully with however much money the drug makes is what exponent it goes up by, really.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
So I guess I asked that question in pursuit of wondering, will these big institutions, big insurance, big pharma, the networks, will they try to put up roadblocks for this drug? very democratized access to AI in phone medicine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, you got beds that are telling you how you sleep in your O2 level. I mean, we're getting there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Okay, so I have an unpopular view, especially being a liberal. People love to hold up the UK's national health system or Canada's. You're looking at what sector it's beneficial to. If you're looking to generally just raise the overall access and health, I think it's very effective. Right. But I think you can't ignore the fact that anyone that needs something for real comes here. That's also true.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
And friendly dust-ups between Eric and I, because I'm on one side of the spectrum. Sure. Please enjoy Dr. Eric Topol.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
We are also leading in so many areas. So all of this is built on this highly profitable system. So I think to ignore that aspect, and I have lots of friends that live in England. They're not all wild about it. I have lots of friends in Canada. They're not wild about it. What we get sold on here, just talk to folks that live there. Not everyone's wild about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
But I think the tipping point would be if those countries did embrace all this and we saw... Oh, no, you actually want to go there and use that because, again, the AI is catching the tumor at 78% accuracy and our doctor is getting it at 50. If it becomes superior because the tech is so much better, I think the current argument that holds sway kind of falls apart.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Is that because their access to data?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Okay, so your new book is Super Agers, an evidence-based approach to longevity. This is right up my alley as someone who turned 50 this year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Well, that's very kind of you to say, but my most optimistic self doesn't think that I am not minimally halfway over on the ride. And I put a lot of thought and effort into trying to see as much of my kid's life as I can. So I'm really, really interested in this. You start the book with two patients, Mrs. LR and Mr. RP. Why do you start with them and what is interesting about them?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Yeah, it's almost impossible to do, right? To find someone who's 90, who's not had any, even the stat in the book is 95% of people over 60 have one chronic illness and 74% of people have two by the age of 60.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Oh, yeah. Mid-century modern. It's my little office here.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
This is about 10 years ago. So there's a few characters, obviously my wife being one of them. She's kind of social butterfly, the opposite of me, Texas girl, Southern, everywhere we go, she's talking with people and people love her. She's adorable and got dimples, blonde hair. So Basically, wherever we go, she's finding friends and I'm trying to lose the friends she's making.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
And so we moved into our new house. We left the city of Rochester to move to a little town right on the outskirts of it. We were just so excited because it was tucked away. It was quiet, not a lot of hustle and bustle from the city. So we were just really excited to move in. The house was set back a little bit. So the driveway was a little bit longer than everyone else's.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
We get there and obviously we're making friends right away. My wife's talking with all the neighbors. Everyone's super nice. There's one particular neighbor right next door to us. Her name's Betty. She's about a 60-year-old Italian woman. Seems really sweet. We kind of hit it off talking at the end of the driveway, neighborly things. Everyone's really supportive in our neighborhood.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
And there was another neighbor across the street. His name's Randy. He was kind of like a bachelor guy, retired, but only like 47, 48 years old. So he retired kind of early. I think he worked for like the sheriff's department or something. Real nice guy. So late summer, we just moved in. The neighbor next door, Betty, brings over a gift. And it's a little broom, dustpan and a Frisbee.
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Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Oh, interesting mix. Yeah. We're like, OK, great. Thank you so much. That's nice. I found it odd because the only thing left in our house previously, you know, we moved in. It was empty. It was a couple of cans of paint and a dustpan and a broom and a Frisbee. What?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
But this is the only thing in the home. Weird. They moved out and left.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
I work a lot of evenings and weekends so I can come home and Mandy and Randy and Betty will be outside chatting, maybe having a little smoke break, having a cocktail, that kind of thing. Fall rolls around. Betty starts asking my wife, can you take out my dog once in a while when I'm running errands? They have a few cocktail hours, things like that. She's a stay-at-home mom, my wife.
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Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
So it was just nice that she was hanging out with other retired people and had some company during the day and while I was at work and things. It was just a pretty typical fall, nothing too crazy. Winter rolls around and I'll shovel her driveway once in a while. Everyone's helping out.
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Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Randy comes by with his snowblower and we'll clear the end of each other's driveways after the big plow comes through and we're all helping each other out. Betty would ask my wife for a couple of rides to the doctor when it was snowing or things like that. And
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
That's when I was like, maybe you just tell her no once in a while, even if you're available, just to make sure we're not on a trajectory that's untenable. Yeah. Good fences make good neighbors kind of approach. Just another couple of things that sparked my curiosity in my office was in the front of the house.
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Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
So I could kind of see at the end and Betty would stop the mailman and talk for like an hour to the mailman. I'm like, this is not sustainable here. You know, I just can't imagine like, why would the mailman wait that long? Maybe he's lonely. I don't know. He was a younger guy, but then the mailman started showing up in street clothes to her house. That's a little weird.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
I don't know if you're supposed to have a relationship with the mailman like that. So spring rolls around and I see an ambulance across the street at Randy's house there. And it turns out he died suddenly. Oh my goodness. At 48? Young guy, you know, he smoked 10 packs of cigarettes a day, it seemed like, and 30 coolers light a day kind of habit. So we weren't surprised.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
But I guess he had a heart attack, called his dad a few hours before saying he was having some issues and then passed away. That was really sad. He was a real nice guy. Missed him. And that's kind of when things got a little weird. We started seeing Betty in a robe all the time, not really out and about like she was walking her dog. She would just walk her dog to the end of the street.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
And then one day she just came out just yelling at kids playing basketball in the middle of the day. And I walked out there and was just like, you know, oh, hey, calm down and give yourself a heart attack. She was really worked up. Again, another checkmark.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
maybe things aren't as stable as we thought here and then she started yelling at us from the fence waiting for us to like drive by on the driveway and kind of yell right at the car she's yelling that my wife killed randy oh my god she has some theories yeah wow that we ruined the neighborhood everything was good until you arrived for like the bad luck or something.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
So that's when I was like, okay, no more connection. Let's just ignore. I had a 10 year old son at the time. I told him Betty's sick and we kind of left it at that. Well, early summer now, I came home late at night, pulled in the driveway, got out of my car and it was just terrible smell. This is bad. You know, is it my trash can or something?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
We're about 300 feet from one of the Great Lakes, so you can get some kind of terrible smells once in a while. It's summertime. I'm like, oh, that's weird, but I'm tired. It's late. I'll solve this problem tomorrow. Maybe we'll be gone. I wake up in the morning. I get some errands to run at Home Depot. I hop in my truck that was parked in the driveway the previous night.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
I still smell this terrible smell. I'm like, what is this? Look around, look in the trash can. I just can't seem to find it. I hop in the truck. I go to Home Depot. I take this road. It's through a park, very windy, 25 miles an hour. I'm driving on this road and someone just passes me, double line, shouldn't be passing me, gives me a dirty look. I'm like, what's going on?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Sunday morning, everyone relax, keep driving. I come to a red light and I see this truck behind me and then he kind of backs up and then pulls alongside me. And this truck was like a farm truck. The doors don't match the paint. There's two gentlemen there. They're real kind of dirty guys. And he kind of makes this motion like a hitchhiker or something motion. Wasn't sure what exactly he was doing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
The light turns green. I'm like, what is going on today? Why is everyone just looking weird? And I pull into the Home Depot. I go past the entrance. And again, I just noticed everyone looks so angry today. I'm just so confused. Pull into a parking spot. step out of my truck. I took a few steps and it just, it hit me, the smell. And I looked down and tied to my bumper. Is a dead animal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Oh, my God. I've been dragging this animal through my town on a Sunday morning. Through my town. And everyone's trying to tell me. And that's why everyone's so angry and passing me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
First, I thought it was my cat.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
And I was in shock. Did get a closer look. It was a raccoon. Wow. It was tied around its neck with like a USB cable and then like a wired mouse then attached to my bumper. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my God. Wow. And again, I'm looking around. Everyone's looking at me. I got nothing to say. I'm in shock. You know, people are clenching their kids in the Home Depot parking lot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Like, look at this monster dragging roadkill. And then I'll call him the Home Depot angel. The guy who's collecting the carts comes over, kind of breaks the silence as the crowd is gathered around me. And I'm unsure what to do. Everyone else is unsure what to do. And just looks at me and goes, looks like he caught something. Oh, that's a nice icebreaker, I guess. Yeah, he's there to help.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
And he's like, no worries, man. I'll be right back. Comes back with a bucket and a shovel. We cut this guy loose.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
And he scoops him up, puts him in the bucket. Oh. And he's like, I'll take care of this. I'll throw it in the dumpster.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
I was in shock. What I did is a few days later, I gave him a good review. Oh, my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
put pieces together and realized that she must have at night, her or someone, maybe the mailman.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Possibly to put this kind of roadkill attached to my truck underneath so that I wouldn't see it until I pulled out and pulled away. And then I just went down to the police station the next day and was like, I'm not concerned about this woman hurting us, but that's a lot of diseases on this raccoon. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
She moved a few years after that. And then we moved a few years after she left.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
They came over to the house. The police talked with her and some of the other neighbors. I just think about all the signs. Everyone is kind of warning us. Even the previous owner of the home kind of just left what they gave her, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
She said something about it being good luck. It gives someone a broom or something. So they're saying it was good luck and then the people leaving it behind.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Oh my God, that is so funny. I was not bringing that to my next home.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
It was very interesting. Wow. I thank you for letting me tell that story. Hopefully it was somewhat interesting. Oh, it's incredible.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
My wife really got me into armchair expert. We pretty much only listen when we go on road trips and she kind of created a monster. She's like, you know, can we listen to music once in a while? I'm ready to binge on experts on experts and she needs a little bit of tunage and relaxation in between. Oh, that's delightful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Yeah. Can she pop in and say hello?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
My beautiful Southern bride. Her name's Mandy. Hi.
Coder Radio
586: Mike's Clone Army
Oh, my first line in a coat that's bright. Found simplicity in a world that's tight Concurrency's smooth, it's out of sight In gold we trust, it's a coder's delight Memories clean, no garbage in sight Gloriotines run like a horse in the night Static type that makes the airs light. In gold we code and our futures bright. Hey, with gold we're building dreams. Light and fast it reigns supreme.
Coder Radio
586: Mike's Clone Army
In this language clear and lean. Gold with the flow, it's a coder's dream.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
And I figured, oh, OK, why not just get that VM from the Linux team? What could go wrong? And so, yeah, I administered a server to deploy these apps on for years. It got so popular that I became in way over my head, even though I am a Linux geek on the side. I run Linux everywhere, but And over time, we ended up getting an enterprise product for that.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
But it just goes to show you this opens so many doors for people. And now a huge part of my day job is to build these really slick, you know, interactive applications that may use R as a front end only or may interact with HPC environments. But R is the foundation to tie all that together is absolutely amazing.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
You absolutely can. Yeah, absolutely. I've done that. I've done very business intelligence-like looking dashboards with some of the latest and greatest in their bootstrap design toolkit that they're exposing now.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
all the way to, like I said, these really comprehensive end-to-end, take your data, tune an algorithm, launch the analysis on a cloud or internal HPC cluster, and bring it all back with some interactive like Plotly-based visualizations or other types of interactive displays and let the users download that for a standalone report. It's all possible, and it's absolutely amazing how all that works.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Okay, and I'm assuming because R is not really OO, right? There are parts of it that are, absolutely. Oh, there are? And there are different ways to do it. That's what gets really interesting.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
And we'll make sure to link in the show notes for those that want to get into the internals of R. Hadley Wickham, who is arguably one of the most prolific R package developers in the community, wrote this book as a way for him to kind of share the way he's been developing on the language. It comes with a paradigm called S3 under the hood.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
which kind of has it's it's in between a traditional object oriented programming and a more of a expressive language. And it does some things that may make a purist programmer think, why the heck is it doing that with nonstandard evaluation and the like? But then it's got other systems that are more rigorous and also extension packages that are trying to bring it a little more rigor, such as R6.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
And there's a new one out there called S7 that's trying to consolidate it all together. So it's got a long history. And depending on your needs, you might do one system versus the other. The S3 system is great for just the interactive data analysis, get my data frame in, do a quick plot on it, do a quick table on it, and you can write it in very few lines of code.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Whereas the more rigid structure is great for, as I said, these web application development, these more comprehensive packages that are doing a lot of internal processing. That's where things like R6 and this new S7 system are coming to play here.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
No, you get to choose your own adventure here. So I would say, yeah, the flexibility of how R is built in terms of what I call its base install are absolutely tailor-made for those interactive data analysis. You might be familiar with Jupyter Notebooks or IPython type workflows.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
When you combine R with a package called R Markdown, you get that very similar experience of creating these dynamically created reports with interactive code chunks, but it's very expressive in that language, absolutely.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Yeah, so RStudio kind of came about 12, 13 years ago where there had been attempts at IDEs in R before, and some worked decently well on specific operating systems. Heck, of all things, I remember there was a plug-in to Notepad++, of all things, to interact with R for the Windows users.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Hey, Notepad++ got me through grad school before I learned Linux, so my goodness. There you go. But RStudio came around as kind of building an IDE that was literally tailor-made for R itself instead of trying to be a generalist. And it's had its place. I won't lie. It definitely helped adoption of R in the enterprise, having that first-in-class IDE that you can install.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Very likely. It's going to take care of everything for you, having like the code editor, the interactive help browser, you know, installing packages for point and click and looking at visualizations. Yeah, you can do all sorts of wonderful things there. The company behind RStudio, like I said, they rebranded the Posit.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
They have launched a new IDE called Positron, which, get this, is a variant of VS Code. Who would have thought? But it is happening. It's so in beta right now, but it's trying to be, you might say, a generous home for more than R itself for data science, so i.e.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
You could say that. And it's taking the best of VS Code but putting their own spin on top of it to make it more tailored to that RStudio-like experience. It's coming a long way. It's got a lot of potential. I am using it as kind of like a dev test for some open source projects. And because of the extension system, you can make that anything you want.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
So I think they built this as a way that they learned from RStudio that, yeah, it was great for R. But the reality is, Mike, as much as I am an R evangelist, a lot of people love interoperability. They love to hop back and forth between R and Python or R and Observable or R and other frameworks. Positron is their way to make that a reality under their toolkit. Interesting.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
You know, and I admit it somewhat doesn't sit well with me at some point. But then again, I can't deny that it is up the game of so many dev stacks. Oh, yeah. And I was an early adopter of it, too, when that R extension came out for VS Code. And in fact... Another thing that kind of changed my dev life about a few years ago was the idea of dev containers in VS Code.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
So then I could potentially not even have R on my host system, but via Docker in the dev container, install R, install the packages, install extensions, and have it be a self-contained environment. I couldn't believe it, but it actually worked.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
That is a testament in and of itself. And I've actually been playing with WSL as well, of all things, for a really important external collaboration to get an R environment with Docker installed as a test for our colleagues in regulatory. So there's lots of great opportunities with this type of technology. And R is definitely well suited for those workflows, as I found out. So good.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
You literally said it. It is. There is a package called RM to help fill that gap for a given project. This is a good example here is there may be a project that I have where it's literally more of a traditional data analysis, get a report out, send it to a stakeholder, but do it through our scripts or in our markdown report or more recently a Quarto engine, which we can talk about sometime.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
But then I have different needs for these shiny apps where it is a software stack, right? I have dependencies that are going to be tailor made to that shiny app that that other project does not care about. So our end is kind of like ours answer to, you know, pip or virtual environments. I'll be it. I think they do it a bit cleaner.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
But again, I'm biased, but it has been a huge help to making sure that for a given project, especially for my day job stuff. I can be assured that I can have that dependency library self-contained in that project. And no matter what happens on the host Linux infrastructure with what I'll call the central library of our packages, that particular RM project is isolated.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
I can do whatever I want with that. I can opt into package upgrades. I can opt into package downgrades. But I get that flexibility. And without RM, I do think R would be in much worse straits for production use. So it has become a huge part of my toolbox to make sure that I'm doing effective dependency management. Is it perfect? Like I said, nothing's perfect, Mike.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
But it sure is a heck of a lot better than trying to manage these R libraries yourself and hope for the best that you got that symlink correct when you're loading that into your R session.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Yeah, yeah. I've had nightmares upon nightmares when somebody asked me to help debug what's going on, where they load a package and they say, wait, it can't be loaded. And wait, I thought I installed it. No, it's because you had this weird cryptic version in your home library that's masking the LDD libraries that the hero package should be loading.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
I'm more of a honey person, but boy, oh boy, I'm glad to be here. We both were in pretty dire straits earlier when we wanted to record this, so I am super thrilled to be on here.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Oh, yeah, the immense pain from that. And I wish at my day job they would let me have a Linux-powered laptop. Unfortunately, it is Mac, and I've done my best to play that game, but I am so spoiled by what I can do on my home environment with my Thaleo running. Now it's running NixOS, but Ubuntu before that, I had so much more control over it. You're a Nix convert, are you?
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
It took a bit, but ironically, I'll bring it back to R here. There is a great person in the community named Bruno Rodriguez has made a package called Rix that will let you install development environments in R via Nix packaging. It is absolutely mind boggling that this all works. I've been beta testing that already has some good success with it.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
And by the way, for those listeners, this is actually not the first time that Michael and I have had a conversation on various podcasts in the past, especially our love for a spiky-haired blue mascot and the company around them. But as a lifelong listener of Coda Radio from episode one, this is a super thrill to be here.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
And I got big plans to hopefully bring that to industry later on because I think it's a game changer as well.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Yeah, and I was skeptical, just like many other people, but of course, shout out to our friends at Jupyter Broadcasting. They're the ones that first hooked me into it, and I thought, well, that's great for the early adoption of Linux in general, but What about data signs? What about R? And then Bruno comes along and does this Rix thing. I'm like, are you kidding me?
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
So then I install, I'm like, oh my gosh, this actually works. Oh, mind blown. Okay.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
I would say understand that there can be a lot of variability in terms of how certain workflows are conducted just at the lower level. So as I mentioned, one of our greatest strengths is the community of packages, right? Well, even in the realm of just data processing and data munging, There are like different avenues you can take with that.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
There is what's become known as the tidyverse family of packages that try to have a more unified syntax or how you do that end-to-end data ingestion, munging, processing, visualization in a very literal pipeable type of syntax. But then you've got other languages that are leveraging or other packages that
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
leveraging, say, C++ on the backend to do more sophisticated processing, but with their own kind of DSL inside. So you might get overwhelmed if you try to use all this at once. It's good to try things out and then see what style suits you best. Because like in the realm of data processing, there's a great package called data.table that has been one of the mainstays in R for years and years.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
But its DSL is completely different than what this tidyverse family of packages offers to you. So I'd say be prepared for that variation. But once you find something, don't feel bad about sticking with it. I know lots of great developers and statisticians, data scientists out there that love the data.table approach and more power to them.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
I personally think the Tidyverse approach is a bit more intuitive to a new data scientist and a new person coming to R. But you have choice, right? It's just like Linux. You have all these choices for what you want to start developing in. So I'd say just be prepared for that flexibility.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
And once you find something, don't feel ashamed about sticking with it because you can do lots of awesome things. with so many parts of the language. It almost makes my head spin when I do this podcast every week and seeing what people are doing that I had no idea was even possible. So the choice is good, in my opinion.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
That's all they do. Because that's all they want to do now, I know.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Every time I think we covered it, there's something new to talk about there.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Wow. I knew one of these would happen, but this is opening my eyes to a whole new world here. This is really cool. And these folks are extremely passionate.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Oh, man. So many hours back in grad school, I was honking on that between breaks and classes. That was an amazing time. Sneaking that in my Jansport backpack. Oh, dude. Rock a Jansport. Rock it.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Yeah, it's actually been a few different things. I started in podcasting with literally DR Podcast, so no one can take that away from me. It was the first one ever way back in 2012, 2011. I remember I started that one year before my first kid was born. And then, as you well know, life changes quite a bit after.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Oh my goodness. Just imagine hooking this up. You know, we didn't really get to it, but I had my adventures in live streaming a few years ago and I would occasionally play hot shot racing on my stream and well, shout out to Martin Winpress for getting me in that racing league a few years ago. But nonetheless, just imagine having like this as some fun break between dev work and streaming that out.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
No, I have not. I may have heard the term once or twice before, but you've literally just opened my eyes to this very tantalizing new world.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
And what honestly this means to me is that this would be the closest you could ever get to say one of your kids being introduced to what the Game Boy was like with an actual physical cartridge instead of you just throwing the ROMs on an SD card or something and really just get that feel for what it really was like for the old timers like us, Mike. I mean, this is really neat.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
No, I think our eight-year-olds are probably very close in age, because I remember when you mentioned that on the old Coder Radio, my kid was born a few weeks apart, so I imagine everything is similar here. He is addicted to Minecraft, and I'm afraid you're right. Within five minutes, he's like, where's Minecraft?
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
You get a kid and whatnot. But yeah, that was my first foray. And honestly, I started it as a way to It was almost like learning out loud, as they say. I was still pretty new to R at the time, but I figured, well, Linux podcasts have helped me immensely in my journey in grad school. Why not be the first to do this? So that was my first foray in sharing my love for R out there.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
I did. I did. And it was tough at first because there is a very well-known plugin for Emacs called ESS for Emacs statistics that I did use for a good year or so back. And this is well before that RStudio IDE came out. And I was looking for a way on our Linux environment at work to kind of have that. you know, terminal-ish like experience, but yet have an IDE like experience.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
And at that time, Emacs and ESS got me so close. But I tell you what, those keyboard shortcuts just royally made me, you know, so confused. So then once I started to learn Vim a bit better, which was admittedly easier to do for quick text processing, I never looked back, Mike. I have to say I saw the light.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
I do admit I have a very close colleague at the day job. If he hears this, he's probably going to read me fits because he is like the one Emacs user in our group. So sorry, the other Michael that might be listening to this, but it is what it is. He knows it.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
You're not wrong there either, but yeah, I can see where you're coming from.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
It's not a direct parallel, but sometimes when you look at all these lower-level JavaScript frameworks, it just makes your head spin almost equally similarly. So that's why I'm glad I know enough that I need to be dangerous, so to speak, but I don't have to be the ninja of all the 1,000 JavaScript frameworks out there. I just know enough to get the job done.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
And then since then, I've done a couple of different things. And my most current one is called R Weekly Highlights, where we talk about the latest happenings in the community and kind of a news and discussion format. And it's been awesome.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Oh, the many hours I've wasted trying to learn that system. My gosh.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Yeah, cruft or crud is an understatement. But yeah, ironically, there are some R packages out there that try to be a front end to bringing those custom frameworks of JavaScript in. One called Packer, I believe there's other ones out there. And I tried them a bit, but they still even made my head spin.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
So when I just do my Shiny app development, if I need some JavaScript, it's still vanilla JavaScript for the little custom thing I have to do very rarely.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
But I will say the other great innovation recently that I've been hooked on, maybe you're not quite as hooked on it as I am, is WebAssembly is now starting to take the data science community by storm, even in the R community. I do like WebAssembly.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Absolutely, yes. There is a package called WebR. to help bring these bindings and combine with a package called Shiny Live, where I could take a Shiny app and make it like a traditional Shiny app, but with Shiny Live, automatically create the manifest needed to make it a WebAssembly-powered app.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
And with the right runtime, just boot it up in your web browser, local host it with a port, and you are done.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
off to the races and i cannot believe how cool that is i even shared a web assembly power shiny app with the fda of all people in a pilot submission we're waiting to get feedback on it but even they are excited about it and you know how regulatory can be they could be a bit slow on the uptake but no they're excited about this that's shocking i mean you're selling them something new and they're not like well to call you back in 18 24 months
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Oh, I had all the expectations. This is going to be like, yeah, Eric, that's a great idea, but not for like 10 years. But no, they're like, you think you can do it? I'm thinking we could try. And sure enough, we can. So yeah, I changed my dev life there too.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
So what is R? Yep, we could be here all day for that, but I'll keep it pretty brief here. It actually has its origins much like Unix itself from Bell Labs in another language called S that was jointly developed by John Chambers and some other great developers way back in the 1970s. as a way to have a pretty domain-specific expressive language for statistical analysis and data processing.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
I mean, I can say that. Yeah. You better watch yourself, Mike. You may jinx everything for us.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Yeah. Recently, when I was having that adventure in the live streaming stuff, those stream decks are pretty darn useful, not just for live streaming. That can actually automate a lot of cool stuff on your system with a point click of a button. I was not sold on it, but then people like, like I said, Martin Winpress and others convinced me and I bought one of those and now I got...
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
through linux a way to map you know custom shortcuts to it even without nix os of all things so i can launch a program launch any arbitrary set of commands it is that one unexpectedly changed my my workflow a bit so yeah the stream the stream deck is is right here on my system i'm here to stay oh man i i uh i'm definitely thinking he'll get it one
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Yeah, I mean, I do have a bigger model and that was over 200 when I bought it. So maybe the smaller models in between that more elegant range or more accessible range. But again, once I started using it, it's hard to imagine life without it. So it ain't just for the streamers, folks. It can actually help your dev workflow too.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Yeah, you got it. You got it. And with these programs, they can interface with any number of these screens they could toggle back and forth with all the button mapping. So yeah, cover me convinced. I was skeptic, but it's here to stay. I love it.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
Oh, you know me. I'm always eager to talk shop on data and any other Linux geekery out there. And by the way, as you said on the outset, the Discord for Coda Radio, it's happening, folks. You should definitely join there if you haven't already. I love it there. But yeah, if you want to find me, first, my podcast is called Our Weekly Highlights. We'll have a link to that in the show notes.
Coder Radio
608: R With Eric Nantz
But if you can find me on social media, I am on three major things. Blue Sky with at our podcast at BSKY.social. I'm on Mastodon with at our podcast at Podcast Index.social. And I'm on LinkedIn from time to time. Just search my name and you'll find me there. Sounds good.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
And that's the whole gamut, too. You've been getting some great feedback on the show since the revamp and lots of great tech questions out there. And of course, we're going to throw our love for little Sonic and Sega there, too, from time to time.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
Oh, always a pleasure, Mike. I'm really glad to be here. And best, you know, great success on the future episodes. And I'll be one of the first to listen every week. Sounds great. Talk to you soon. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
And fast forward quite a few years, there were changes in how S was licensed. It became part of a vendor after that.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
And then in the mid-1990s, two gentlemen at the University of Auckland in New Zealand, Ross Ahaka and Robert Gentleman, were inspired by S and decided to make an open source language that was basically taking the best of the S language and making it completely open source and community developed. And that became R. And so it's got a long history. But honestly, fastening forward to today,
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608: R With Eric Nantz
R is standing on the shoulders of open source and the fact that, yes, R itself has everything you need to do a nice data analysis, visualization, import data. It's a community of over 25,000 packages at the time we're talking here. They can turn R into almost absolutely anything of what the language you want to do. I have lots of ideas on where this is going in the future.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
And it's greatly helped me in my daily work. And it's super inspiring to see just how far the community has taken the R language itself and to be able to do some really cool stuff with it across the board.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
You bet. In fact, they call it the Comprehensive R Archive Network, or CRAM for short, where basically you boot up R. You could say install.packages and put the name of the package, download it on the spot. Now, there are some really important differences to note between CRAN and, say, PyPy or RubyGems. CRAN is curated by humans, i.e. the R core team.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
So it's not just like you have an idea for the package, you write some R code, you ship it out and get it installed right away. You have to pass a lot of checks to make that happen. And there are automated ways to do that. But they're running the checks on their side, too. But admittedly, you were talking about kind of the Rust controversy on the Linux kernel.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
There is a bit of controversy, I would say, from time to time on the CRAN network where some packages do get archived for sometimes some very esoteric reasons that actually have nothing to do with the package itself.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
I did use Emacs back in the day. I knew it. Rejected, gone. Rejected, gone, yeah. Since I've seen the way with Vim, but that's another story.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
Oh, we will. Yeah, so there was actually a package that was archived a couple weeks ago by a good friend of mine in the developer community, not because his package had a problem, but because a dependency package that his package used. had a problem with a bin bash prompt of all things. You'll have to listen to the latest R Weekly episode for our details on that.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
Nonetheless, my point here is that there are some advancements to make our packaging a bit more modern to take the best of PiPi and parts of CRAN and try to make a more... I'll say clear system for contribution. Some of those are called our universe and a new one that's coming in the works called multiverse that I'm keeping an eye on. So CRAN has had its warts over the years.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
It still would not be where it is today without it. But we're seeing some modern approaches that I think are going to take the language to another level in the near future here.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
So the good news is your app as it is, if you don't need to change it, can still be used as is. What happens is if you needed to update anything and you try to install that.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
Yeah, an ongoing thing. If you try to install it again, R itself will get mad at you and say, oh, that's not available anymore. And there's a custom way to get an archive of a package. It's more convoluted, but it is technically possible. But it is an issue that could affect people, especially, like you said, in an ongoing project.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
or a production setting where you have to update your dependencies. But that's where, again, some of these projects like our universe are stepping in to give a more automated way to host these packages with a slightly more automated structure, but with best practices. on top of that. So I'll make sure I'm linking to that in the show notes. So it's an interesting time.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
But yeah, R is not without its controversies, just like any big open source language.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
You know, I dare say there may have been one attempt at trying to get this distributed as a malware setup and it was shot down faster than a snap. So yeah, that is obviously one benefit of having this human in the loop. So that's why I can't discount their importance.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
Albeit there have been some rather esoteric, questionable reasons why certain packages got flagged, whether they're new or they've been existing for over 10 years and in some esoteric build. cough, cough, Solaris, ends up having a hissy fit about it.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
Yep. And truth be told, many of the users of R are just going to install a package the moment they see it mentioned on a blog or whatever setting. So it is advantageous that it is on a reputable repository, but R does let you install packages from GitHub directly if you're inclined. And yeah, that's where you have to have a little more of a careful eye, so to speak.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
Yeah, I mean, certainly, like I said, it had its roots in academia, like I said, at University of Auckland and others in that space. But I would say in the last 10 years, certainly in the last five years, there's been explosive growth in how art can stand, you know, hand in hand, shoulder to shoulder with some of the other languages, as someone might typically say, is a production ready language.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
We are going to mention the infamous Python. I'm sure as we go along here, the knock has always been, well, R is great to prototype that algorithm, but you got to put it in Python for production, right? I think those days are over. I think we have enough tooling, enough resources, and enough experience with putting R in highly important positions.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
production workflows, whether it's for machine learning, whether it's for web applications, which I'd love to talk about. And now, even in the future, there are even R packages that are interfacing with the rest of all things. So there is lots of opportunities to use R in production now, and it's really exciting.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
It was only a matter of time, right? It was only a matter of time.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
Call me jaded by all the virtual environment garbage I've had to endure over the years.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
Oh, yes, there is. It was about maybe 10 years ago or so at this time, a new R package came out from a company that at the time was called RStudio. Now they've been rebranded as Posit.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
but they had developed a package called Shiny, which was a way to take a React-like expressive web language or paradigm for developing web apps and bring that to as an R package so that with just straight up functions, I could create an interactive dynamic web app without having to know a lick about JavaScript, CSS, or the like. It changed my dev life.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
I've always been curious about doing cool things on the web. And in grad school, I did some very archaic things with PHP and MySQL on the back end for some grad school projects. Don't get me started on PHP. Oh, gosh.
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608: R With Eric Nantz
Oh, lots of wars on that one. But then when Shiny came around and I was able to build this little Hello World app with an interactive histogram with a slider input, I could not believe it. I just could not believe it. So then I quickly show some colleagues at work about this. Suddenly they want me to spin up a server to host these apps.
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Ticci Toby | Creep Cast
It all comes full circle. What, baby? You don't want to give me a hug? Is it actually? That's his wife. Yes!
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Ticci Toby | Creep Cast
So you're not going to give me a welcome home hug, baby? You're going to have the weird Tourette's kid who's, he's always, he's got an Adderall addiction, Connie. Hold on. He's hooked on pills.
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Ticci Toby | Creep Cast
Mother time? You just know everybody's age? Fuck you, Connie! You guys are your best friends with him? What's his birthday, then?
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Ticci Toby | Creep Cast
Okay, so you know the difference between 16 and 17. Good for you. Good for you, baby. That's why he's so pretty. He's so smart. He's still in the flower pot. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to have to shuffle over and come give me a kiss. Hey, Toby, pancakes, right? He loves them. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you.
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Ticci Toby | Creep Cast
He gave me a big handful of Adderall, and I took all of them. Sweet, I took all of them, and I drank those highlifes like you said I shouldn't, but I did.
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Ticci Toby | Creep Cast
Uh-oh, just doing overtime today, boys. Another day in the office.
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Ticci Toby | Creep Cast
I'll tell you, Connie, some days I wake up, I wish you were gone. Some days I wish I'd wake up and Sandman would take you away in your dreams.
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Ticci Toby | Creep Cast
Make me a sandwich. Oh, God. Hey, give me the remote. Oh, okay. Fine. Hey. Go get, uh... Go plant a flower. Oh, my God. Okay, fine.
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Ticci Toby | Creep Cast
She was too submissive to him. I like to think he's just like, yeah, go on, shoot. Hey, go check out the trash.
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Ticci Toby | Creep Cast
Whatever. Jesus, just fucking use better help if you have to. Fuck.
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Yeah, I've just been watching the Zubuck commercial over and over again on repeat.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Do you think that she might feel that other women are boring?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
That I'm fun or that I think other women are boring. Okay.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I can't remember the language you got from your book, but it is something I've heard before. Just the idea that one person is reaching out there and the other person is – like one person is extending more than the other basically.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I see what you're saying. Yeah. I guess it puts the owner, it, it takes the pressure off of me and like, it kind of makes it more even in a sense.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah, I see. So much of the value that I feel like I can bring to the dating table is something that would be like for someone I've known for a long time, you know, like emotional support or like just being someone nice to hang out to. I guess it's just like opening and making that strong first impression is something that is hard for me. But I feel confident in the other stuff I mentioned.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
No. I've wanted to since I read your book. I wanted to be like, hey, you look really pretty and I wanted to talk to you. I like that.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
um i guess just talking to potential dates and then in a um in a in a live setting you know like in um at a bar or something is something that i i tend to struggle with i guess if you can help me out with that um you know whoever's listening yeah also on top of that
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Um, I mean, I usually start with like saying like, Hey, I like your dress or something like that.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Oh man, I don't, I don't know. This is not, this is not my forte. That's why we're doing coaching. Exactly.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Um, that she has lovely hair.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I've grown up to feel like saying that is objectifying.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah, I mean, the past couple of times I've gone to this one club near where I live, it's just like, it was decently loud. It was crowded. I'm not too used to clubs, but it was like, Like I, I would go up to a woman and I'd like, I'd like, I'd say like, Hey, is this your first time? Or so something like that. And you know, like, cause like they were at like a Thursday events, right?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Right. Would I stand out in a bad way if I did that? I don't know. If I did that to a few women in a bar, do you think they'd be like, oh, don't talk to that guy. He's just making weird advances.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I already do, but I just mean like, yeah, I just mean like, would it affect my ability to hold conversations later on in the night? I guess I don't follow your question. I don't know. Like if I, if I get like a reputation in the bar for being eight, For advancing too much, I wonder if it would throw people off.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah, yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
So it's like, Hey, is this your first time at a Thursday event? They're like, yeah. I'd be like, hi, I'm I'm blah, blah, blah. And they're like, oh, you know, and I'd say, ask the usual, like, what do you, what do you do? Who do you talk to? That, that type of thing. I'm sorry. What do you, what?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
your friends that kind of thing um and uh but then after that it's kind of it's kind of a struggle to keep going and you know the questions like you know what do you do for work that that type of thing what do you do for fun they're a little they're a little boring i don't even like asking them so i feel like even then my heart's not all my heart's not all there so it can be a little boring and like i guess maybe like the momentum stops and like i feel like
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I do remember this story because I think about it like, because I try not to stare as much because of that story. If I'm not going to approach them, then I just make sure I do something else. Or I approach them. Or it gives me the guts to approach them.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah, that's true.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah. I am. Yeah, I'm kind of in the middle. I try to say hi to people, but I don't... Like my friends and stuff, I try to like, it's only when like, I know someone that I try to like encourage like gatherings and stuff like that. I'll, I'll make plans.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
You know, I think, I think again, it goes down to like, I'm good at, I'd be good at things down the line if I were like to date someone, but it's just like starting out is so hard.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Um, I don't keep count, but maybe like six to eight. Okay. That's great.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. Uh, I'm trying to think, uh, My friend has said that it's like, analogy-wise, it's like rolling tape, right? Because once you get that part of the tape where you can pull off, then it's a lot easier.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah, yeah. I've been trying to go more often.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
it's kind of something where it's like, well, well, it was good talking to you, you know?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Okay. I'll keep that in mind.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Okay.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I don't know. I think the most I get stuck is near the beginning when it's like... When it's like those, um, those basic questions, you know, like the one, oh, what do you do? That type of thing. I think maybe I'm too stuck in terms of like, and this is something that goes with my, um, with my social, um, just being friends with someone as well, you know, like just starting out. Okay.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I don't have a consistent way to get out of that loop of like, what do you do for work? What do you do for fun? That type of thing. Okay.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Um, that's a good question. Um, probably not. I mean, I wouldn't outside, outside of, um, let me ask you this, you know, you know, Wonder Woman, right?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah, there was a woman that same night who I approached, I said like, you know, like, hey, I like your tattoos. And she was like, oh, thank you. And I said, like, hi, I'm so-and-so. And she's like, hi, I'm so-and-so back. And it was like.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
It's just like a tattoo of like... Maybe like a blob. It's like a monster. It's kind of like a ghost, I guess.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Oh, thank you. I got it after I saw this band in concert. Thank you so much.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Are you there when it came out?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
No, I don't.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
You don't know the source of your own name? I mean, not really. It's a common name. It's not really something that I've asked.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I don't know. I liked how you ad-libbed stuff about inventing Pac-Man. I mean, our brains are wired to like stories, so the story about your name is also... There's also something good that I should keep in mind.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah, yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah, I did, yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah, no, no, that sounds about right, yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I mean, it felt spontaneous. Okay.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Um, she was wearing a dress. She had like shoulder length, blonde hair. Okay. She was a little, a little shorter than me, maybe five, five, that kind of thing.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah, 60 seconds.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah, for sure.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
It was Eric, then it was Pac-Man, then it was the 80s, then it was... I forget how we jumped from the 80s to your name.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Right.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I see.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I'm here to ask people on a date. I want to ask you on a date, I guess.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah, of course. It's the inner quality.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I guess we can talk about dating apps.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
It's easy. Um, what's not working with dating apps. I guess just the same thing that lots of guys complain about is just like, why am I not getting matches? That type of thing. Um, well, no, I mean, actually, no, let me start with something else. Um, in your experience, I just like, I get two in my head when I'm texting someone.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
And like, you know, it ties back to being like, thinking about my fears too often. But it's like, I think too much about the social faux pas of like, double texting or maybe, or maybe texting too long, or maybe especially trying to find the right words to say. I just wonder, in your experience, if I'm putting too much weight on that.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Um, I try to be funny. I try to, um, well, I guess another faux pas that I see online would be like, you know, don't text her back immediately, you know, make it seem like you're busy, but like ignore that.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Would you think that way about me? Yeah, well, when you put it like that, I mean, I can see how it doesn't really matter that much.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I agree. Yeah. Before I, um, I think between setting this up and actually talking to you, I think I like looked over my profile. I think I just don't have enough photos of me doing like, just like Creating that value, I guess. I don't have photos of me that are traveling or participating in my hobbies and things like that.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I get self-conscious about smiling in photos, so it's kind of a difficult thing for me. I'm just trying to build it up slowly.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Probably not. Definitely not. At that stage, no. I mean, it's just not.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Um, it's just, um, It's a photo of myself in the snow. I went to the Midwest last month. It's just a photo of myself smiling. There's snow. It's actively snowing. I guess it's just the idea that whoever sees this is in California, so I guess it's just the idea that I like traveling.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I see.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
It probably wouldn't matter.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Okay.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Probably not. I mean, it would put us on even ground, I guess. I mean, where I would go, I'd be like, oh, yeah. I mean, because it was my second time. I'd be like, oh, yeah, it's a nice place. I'd tell her about the event, which isn't much value either, I guess.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Oh man, those are the three. Okay, let's do a bonus one. Anything. I'm on the spot here, honestly. Are there pieces of advice that you haven't touched upon that you would give to someone like me?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
There was one little nitpick about talking to someone in a bar. Because when you're on a dating app, you choose the ages of the people you want to meet. Is it fine to ask how old the other person is?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Okay.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I see what you're saying, yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Okay. Yeah, I am afraid. I hate just knowing that that's my go-to. Like, oh, what do you do for work? I really want to break out of that.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I just like thinking about, you know, just the intricacies of like how bodies are made up, not just human bodies, but like, you know, just like just how complex organisms are. It's really interesting to me.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Any thoughts there? I'm into humor. I like humor. I've made women laugh on dates before. Cool.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
i guess it's just kind of hard on the spot when i don't really know anyone a lot of my humor is maybe like we talk about a show or something i'm like like you know with my friends a lot of my humor is just like references to shows and stuff like that or like details about people that i already know so it's a little hard when it's like impromptu or like i'm just meeting someone
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Oh, no. I think most of my humor is incidental. My friend will say something, and I'll say a pun, and they'll sigh really heavily and be like, why are you my friend?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Why does a cow have hooves? Because they're lactose.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Uh, yeah, I do. Okay. I mean, I've only been to karaoke once, but I like singing. Okay.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
Yeah, yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Stuck in Your Head at the Bars? How to Confidently Approach and Talk to Women—Even if You’re Shy (Live Coaching with Eric!)
I've had a few stirring. Any other good ones besides singing or telling jokes? Like openers? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or just types of openers, the ones that bring value.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
5 Ways to Actually Make Your Habits Stick
Hi, Mel. My name is Eric. How do I create habits that will stick? So once I keep going, I'll stay with it. I want to make it easier.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, the Grail test.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Well, the problem is it's being marketed for people age 50 and older. That's wrong because most people age 50 are not at risk for cancer. And so they're going to get a test that is either a false positive or false negative. So it has little value unless you know you're at increased risk. And so another one that's being used totally improperly is a total body MRI scan.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
No, no.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
You don't want to do that because what happens with these, it's never been validated that it helps people to get accurate diagnosis of cancer. Again, it might be okay if you're at significant increased risk. What I would say is if you had a genetic protein and other family history and multiple dimensions of your data,
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
The problem with the blood test that your husband ordered is that maybe four or five per thousand will have an abnormal reading of a microscopic cancer. And out of those, half of the five per thousand will have already advanced cancer. The problem with the MRI is false positives. If you did the MRI after you had an abnormal blood test- Yeah. That might be okay, sure.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
But you don't go ahead and have a total body MRI just because you're going on a fishing expedition because you could wind up having all sorts of biopsies.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
So there's a thing called a polygenic risk score for each type of cancer. Breast, colon, prostate, lung. And these are very inexpensive. You know, you could get these for about $50 or so.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Polygenic risk score. Yeah. Okay. They basically will tell you your risk for a particular cancer. And there's about 10 different companies that offer these now. And they can even be done through saliva. You don't even have to have a blood test. So that's a good way to know about your risk in your lifetime. But again, you don't want to just rely on one layer of data.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
You'd like to have other layers of data backing that up. And so that's where you can learn even more. And as you mentioned, like if your family history, maybe you have a trend going on and some routine blood tests going in the wrong direction. This is where when we have AI analyze all your data and point to say, you know what, this is your risk in your life.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
This is the one for you to be on guard about. But right now we have some rudimentary data to help us understand who's at risk and what for. And so if somebody offered me an MRI, total body, for free, I wouldn't have it because it's a recipe for trouble. It's a recipe for finding things that you wouldn't want to find because then you have to chase them down.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And you could have complications, as I've had patients who then they had a liver biopsy and they bled many units. They had all sorts of things. And it was benign, of course. Unfortunately, we have celebrities everywhere. and doctors who are advocating these total body MRIs, and there's nothing, there's no proof.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
They say they're going to do a trial, but they haven't done it, and we're not going to know for years. And until then, it's just anecdotes.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. Here we are in Boston and the Mass General Brigham is supplying the polygenic risk score to their patients. They're the first health system to do that. And so they're getting a readout for their risk of the various types of cancer and heart disease.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And of course, soon it'll also be Alzheimer's disease too, that they will get that composite risk as part of their care, not like they get charged extra. All the health systems should be doing that. And again, they should be adding these other layers of data so that you know about yourself what to be on guard about and also to take action.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And this is a really critical point is that generally people might not be motivated to do all these positive things, but when they find out they have this specific risk, the chances of them going after it is so much greater. We've learned that from studies as well.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Absolutely. And just to mention, there was a big Finnish study where they took people and they gave them their polygenic risks for heart disease. And the people who got a high risk, they changed their lives. I mean, they did everything we're talking about today. So it wasn't that they were going to do it when they're healthy.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Only when they got something to tangible evidence for them, for those individuals, that's when action was taken.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
The problem, Mel, is the things that they're not doing.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And so what we're talking about is poor diet with too much ultra-processed foods, for example, not nearly enough exercise, and that's both aerobic as well as resistance-type exercise. And then, of course, getting enough sleep, particularly deep sleep. Sleep is so much bigger than we had thought years ago, and having sleep health, particularly promoting deep sleep, is really important.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
as we'll get to for brain health, that brain clock. So these are factors that not enough are paying attention to that we can do a lot today. And they're just the beginning of what I call this lifestyle plus, because there's so many dimensions. It's not just the three that we've been hearing about for so long.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
So plus means, first of all, the devil in the details about nutrition and exercise and sleep. And then beyond that, things like social isolation. Okay. The environmental factors like air pollution, microplastics, forever chemicals, being out in nature, outdoors. So these factors are not just... you know, what we're eating and our exercise, those are paramount.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
All these things have been associated with healthy aging. And so the woman in the book who's featured, Mrs. LR, here she is, she's 98, and she's the picture of health, cognitively crisp. She's doing her jigsaw puzzles and oil paintings. You know, she's amazing. And she is vibrant with her social group. Her kids... have died already and her parents died in their 50s. So it isn't the genes.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And that's one of the things that I think a lot of people feel they're doomed because they have bad genes. But it isn't. It's so much of this is our lifestyle that can override or independent of any genes that we have, be associated with a healthy aging process.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Exactly.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
There is nothing that's been proven in people to promote the slowing or reversing of aging, whether they're pills or compounds or infusions, transfusions. None of that is proven to have an anti-aging effect in human beings. There's a lot of that that's been looked really good in mice or rats. but not in people. So we'll start with rapamycin. A lot of people are taking this drug.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
It suppresses our immune system. That could be very risky to do that. And unfortunately, too many people are advocating that. There's nicotinamide, NAD+, a supplement. There are no data to show that it improves healthy aging in people. There's this epigenetic reprogramming, very elegant. It could cause cancer. It isn't in people yet, but it's certainly a risk.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
There's senolytic drugs that take out our senescent cells. They're indiscriminate. They could take out bad cells out of our body, these drugs that do that. There's plasmapheresis taking young people's plasma and infusing it into old people's plasma to promote healthy aging and better cognition. There are clinics doing that. There's no data to support it.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
There's all kinds of infusions of kind of multivitamins, and there's just no data to support any of it. And it's really unfortunate because people that believe this stuff are the prey. Not only are they expensive, but they are posing significant risks. It could be cancer. It could be immunosuppression. These are not things you want to play around with.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Well, so one of the most elegant approaches, which caught a lot of interest in the biomedical community, was the idea of giving genes to an old animal, in this case a mouse, and now extend it to other species. And these are known as Yamanaka factors because they have the ability to reprogram the organism, the cells of an organism.
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Close.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
These genes don't come from a younger animal. They just are known to turn the clock backwards.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And so the whole idea was, okay, we're going to inject these four into the animal and and we're going to take an older animal and it's going to affect all their cells and they're going to get young. And it happened. Say, wow, this is amazing, right?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
it's actually pretty deep. So it wasn't just that their gray hair went away, but also the fact that at the organ level, they had, for example, their glucose regulation turned back to normal. Many of their organs show young look rather than having all the things that you would associate with a very old organism. So it looks great.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
You say, wow, couldn't we just all take these Yamanaka factors and we would just get young? The problem is that when they were doing this, and this is now in multiple species, tumors would develop. And that's because when you turn back these cells into younger cells, you also are potentiating the risk of cancer.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And this, Mel, is the problem with many of these anti-aging body-wide interventions, is they introduce new risk particularly cancer, because there's a very close overlap between the hallmarks of aging and the hallmarks of cancer.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, so in the case that we're just talking about, the fancy term for it is partial epigenetic reprogramming. It sounds pretty big, right?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, yeah. But the whole idea is that when you make cells younger, a group of these cells to just take off, develop a clone of cancer, and then just spread. So the problem is that when you're trying to re-rig the body's aging process, you introduce new problems.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Exactly right.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, so I think where we're headed is that each of us will have, without added costs or very nominal costs, we will have all our data. It's assembled. It's analyzed by what we call multimodal AI, generative AI, and it'll tell us, This is your risk. This is what you need to be on the lookout for. And you're going to do these things.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And also, we may be treating you, like, for example, with an anti-inflammatory drug or, you know, we can talk in some of the specifics. But we've had breakthroughs, Mel. Like, for example, Alzheimer's. There's a blood test now called P-Tau-217. It's as good as having a PET scan of for telling us, are we going to have a risk for Alzheimer's?
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
So if you get that test, again, if you have Alzheimer's in your family, it's not good enough to know, oh, I'm at risk for Alzheimer's, but I may only crop up when I'm 95. That's not really important. What we're going to have with multimodal AI is going to say you're at risk for Alzheimer's.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And if you don't do anything about it at age 66 is when you're going to see, you know, mild cognitive impairment. So you can actually pinpoint the person and the time.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
You got it. I mean, this is why we have the benefits of that long time to work with before the person gets the condition. And we have the layers of data which we didn't have before or the ability to analyze that. And then the surveillance tools, whether it's scans or whether it's... Further blood tests, clocks. Like, you know what?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
If I have an organ clock that says that my heart is accelerated aging and then I do these things and I prove, oh, wow, I changed it. It's now going in the other direction. Wow. And it reinforces that you're on the right track. So this is where we're headed now. The science of aging has given us these metrics, whether it's this body-wide aging, epigenetic clock, organ aging.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
This is the most amazing thing. All these years of practicing medicine, we keep talking about prevention. And we have nothing that we're preventing. It's secondary prevention. Oh, you had a heart attack? Now we're going to put you on this and that. We are talking now about primary prevention. That's the new thing here, that we can prevent a disease that was going to occur before it happens.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And that's the real deal, prevention.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, no, it's amazing. So the global burden of disease comes out of University of Washington. They've studied this globally.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And what we've learned is that overnutrition, which is really bad, having- That's a nice way to say what?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Obese or significantly overweight. Okay. undernutrition or malnutrition, and then poor nutrition, which is, as we talked about, the unprocessed foods, for example, those three categories collectively account for, they have shown in their work, one in five deaths. Yes, nutrition is fundamental.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that out because this is a serious matter. We have the big food industry that markets this. Basically, because of the gut-brain axis, you eat these ultra-processed foods and you want to eat more. We've seen very careful studies that it promotes overeating. So that's bad enough in itself. But what it also does, it promotes inflammation in the body.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And so when you have that, that's when you have your glucose dysregulation and you can move on to type 2 diabetes. It also then increases the risk of atherosclerosis, heart disease.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, you're basically accumulating cholesterol plaque in your arteries, which you can get heart attacks or strokes. And it also, of course, has effects at the level of the brain, promoting inflammation the less than we want there. And the risk of cancer. And so all the data on ultra-processed foods, which it's not just that you can't read because of all these ingredients.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
It's just that when you do read them, you don't recognize them because they're all foreign things that would never be found in your kitchen. Everything about these suggests that they're inducing a lot of harm. They're promoting aging. And one of the stories in the book I reviewed is there's a fellow named scientist physician in the UK, Chris Van Telleken.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And he wrote a book called Ultra Process People. And so he actually, remember that supersize me thing that I did? I went to McDonald's every day for.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah. So this is what Chris did for 30 days. And he gained like 10 kilos, but he did brain scans before and after 30 days. And he did all these other inflammatory markers. And he showed that everything went off the track. I mean, in just 30 days of high ultra-processed foods. So all of us, we can't eradicate ultra-processed food, but we can bring it down.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
It shouldn't be as it is now, 60% or even 70% of our diet.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
No question. I couldn't agree with you more.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
We want to cut down on refined sugar, particularly things like sugar-sweetened beverages. They also promote inflammation. If you see high fructose, you know, run away. We just don't want this. We don't want to be taking this stuff in. Okay. What about salt?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, salt is something that, you know, we have a very easy solution, which is a salt substitute, which is using potassium instead of sodium chloride. So we should not be, you know, adding salt ideally to what we're eating. Wait, why?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
If you're at risk for high blood pressure, which most of us are as we get older, that's not going to help you. If you use potassium chloride,
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, no, potassium chloride, the salt substitute, and that's all, there's nothing else in it.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
It's perfectly healthy and it avoids the problem of the sodium intake and it's a lot healthier for you.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
You're spot on with that summary.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And so, again, you've pointed out that in the ultra-processed food category, salt is often a common culprit that is part of that reward circuit. You know, it's part of, oh, have more, a lot of fat and salt and chemicals and emulsifiers, yeah. Right.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
We don't have a free pass on those, unfortunately. As I reviewed, you know, there's uncertainties about them. Okay. So if you can avoid the sugar substitutes, that's probably better. But unfortunately, they're not as healthy as we had been led to believe. Right.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Well, here's some good news for coffee lovers.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
This is the one that is the rare exception where, you know, we love it and it actually is healthy. I mean, this is actually kind of shocking. So, you know, I reviewed all the studies and there are a lot of them.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And what is striking about this, it shouldn't be that, you know, you should change your life to drink more coffee, but you shouldn't at all worry if you're having two, three, even up to four cups of coffee a day.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, it's actually pretty remarkable. It's associated with significantly less of chronic diseases, less inflammation. Everything about it points to something positive.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, this couldn't be more clear. When you really review, take a hard look at every study that is cited, and they're marginal, about this supplement or that or this vitamin. There's just nothing there. These are small studies with lack of meaningful endpoints. Again, it's really important to look at this hard evidence and it's void. There's just nothing to support these.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And unfortunately, so many people are spending so much money and taking so many different supplements and there's no proof. As I reviewed this, some have potential adverse effects unknowingly. So you just want to avoid these. And, you know, I've had many patients that come in with this long list of supplements. In fact, some of them are afraid to show the list of things they're taking.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And I said, well, you know, really, the only thing they're enriching is your urine, you know. And they say, well, I really feel like they're making me feel better. I can't argue with that. You know, if they feel like they're okay, but they should know. I try to inform them that there's just nothing to support why they're feeling better.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
It's just like the placebo, you know, the pill that there's nothing in it. It's inert. If they feel like you're helping them, okay. But just so you know, the science doesn't support it.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
So as we get older, we lose muscle mass. And the recommendations from the government, the US and abroad, are 0.8 grams per kilogram.
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Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah. So how much protein you should have in your diet. And so let's say for a 70 kilogram person, you know, we multiply that by 2.2 to get to pounds.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
You should be taking 70 grams of protein. And now the point is, if you start to look at how much protein, especially as you get older, you'll say, hmm, I'm not getting 70. And by the way, as you get older, maybe you should take one per kilogram or 1.2 grams per kilogram.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
You need more protein.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Because you have to counter that propensity for muscle mass loss. You don't want to waste just because of your diet. So you're talking about for the average person, you know, 70, 80, 90 grams of protein, not 150 or 160.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
That's so funny. Yes. This Harrison Ford thing keeps coming up. It's so funny. Yeah. Wild.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, this is actually amazing. And it's so much more profound than we had generally accepted. We've been hearing about it for years, but now talking about those clocks of aging and what we've learned from the science of aging, there's a thing called an epigenetic clock, which is these methyl groups on our DNA, the side chains, and they can predict your biological age.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
So not your chronological age, But instead of, let's say, you're 70 and your epigenetic age is 60, like, wow, you hit the jackpot. Turns out that exercise is the only thing we know that lowers our biological age. So the gap between your real age and your biological age is widened. Now, it's not just aerobic exercise.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
So as a cardiologist, I've been saying you got to get on walks or treadmill, bicycle, elliptical, whatever. 30 minutes a day, five days a week. I've been pushing that. And then I didn't realize the data that's so striking regarding resistance training. So you need that just as much a couple of few times a week. And that data is now become very solid. And it isn't just about getting stronger.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
It's having better balance. It's essential. There's nothing that we can talk about that exceeds exercise for decreasing resistance. our aging process, our body-wide aging process. And again, we wouldn't have known about this if it hadn't been all the science of aging.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
As long as you are getting at least 30 minutes of constant motion, getting your heart rate up, taking your body out on the highway, if you will, at least 30 minutes, five times a week, ideally every day, if you can do that. But if you're getting five days a week, Typically, when I talk to my patients, I'll say, all right, when are we going to do this? What time of day works for you?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
You know, you're not a morning person. You're not going to also, how are we going to do this? Are you going to go to the gym? Do you have some equipment at home or can you go outside and walk or whatever? To fit that in, figure that out, not just the aerobic side, but then, you know, things like bands to increase resistance. They're very inexpensive things.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And they can be so much of a plus for promoting muscle strength. And things like, you know, standing on one leg for a minute, alternating your course on each foot. I mean, these are free, you know, but work on strength, work on balance, posture. And of course, this aerobic exercise is also critical. So get that as part of your life. And you'll notice quickly as you do this for weeks that, wow,
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
I am more fit than I've been in a long time. I have better posture. I have better balance.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And so we just can't do enough of this. And, of course, the byproduct of this is we get that lesser biologic age, which is going to be helpful across the board for the major age-related diseases.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
That's right.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And it decreases inflammation. That's another bonus factor. Oh, yeah.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, this was astounding. This report kind of rocked me because, you know, the number of people who are taking antidepressant drugs, these SSRIs, it's huge. And so they compared that in a large cohort with all these different activities from dancing, yoga, rowing, walking, anything. Exercise just was so much better of improving mental health than were the medications. Who would have guessed that?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Because all these years we've been relying on so many people to take them. That's why we had this Prozac Nation and everything else. So This was a real awakening. And I think the study is quite impressive. It should reset our need for, at least in some people, for SSRIs if they're not exercising enough and substituting exercise.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Or if they haven't been put on one of these drugs, try the route of exercise. You'll never be disappointed. And I think that's really what we're not doing enough of. If there's one thing we should be paying more attention to, this is it.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Oh, thanks so much, Mel. It's great to be with you.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, so this is something that, again, a lot of physicians don't buy into this, but the data is really strong. The relationship of stress and bad health outcomes like cancer, like heart disease, heart attacks, and even the neurodegenerative diseases. So what we want to do is have adaptive stress. Like, for example, if stress makes you exercise more, that's really good.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
But also, you know, we've learned things. that again, I wasn't aware of all the data, being out in nature is remarkable. Music, things that we can do more of that are good for our mental health. There's this interaction between our physical and mental health, which is deep, much more intertwined than we have accepted. And so if we're gonna have a positive outlook
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
It's taking advantage of these things that we've learned from. And so, you know, being outdoors, you can't spend enough time doing that. And it is really good for mental health. These are things that add in that whole category of lifestyle factors. But social isolation is critical. So people that are lonely and hermits that just are living in a cave.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
That's having an ill effect on mental health and physical health. So it's really important that, you know, get together with friends, make friends, find ways to have social interactions because they're rich and they help reduce the toll of a burden of anxiety and depression.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yes, well, I'm glad you pointed to that graph because it's also very striking. The more rich interactions we have with other people, the essentiality of being human, the more we see evidence that it is associated with healthy aging, health outcomes that are favorable. And unfortunately, we're going in the wrong direction. But there's something magical about the human-human bond.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And in this world of AI, which in some of the aspects of the book, You know, we were going to rely on AI to do analytics for us to know if we're at higher risk.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
But here, this is something AI will never replace, which is the human bond, whether it's a patient and doctor, but more importantly, in your own life, seeking out and fostering social interactions because they inevitably will be associated with better health outcomes. And so rather than turning inward, we need to turn outward.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, this is a really big issue that you're bringing up because the stress, when it's chronic and when it's accentuated, you see more body inflammation. And so what you're getting is your immune system is losing some of its integrity. It's aging faster.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And if there's one system that is kind of governing our whole aging, it's our immune system, which, of course, as you know, that interacts with inflammation. When your immune system gets off track, these cells... start to release these proteins that rev up inflammation. So stress and our immune system and inflammation is a very tight interdependence.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Well, there's a lot of things that we can do about our lifestyle that are more than just the diet, sleep, exercise stuff that people have been hearing about for decades. But also the three major diseases, cancer, cardiovascular, and neurodegenerative, like dementia, Alzheimer's, those three diseases take more than 20 years to take hold. So if we plan enough in advance...
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And so what we want to do is have adaptive responses to stress. So we don't have this chronic inflammation. Once you get chronic inflammation, you get accelerated aging. And so here again, the science of aging is teaching us about these processes.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
It's not teaching us about this magical pill, but it's teaching us about how do we connect the dots between what's going on in our stress in our daily lives and what's going on in our body.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
It still comes down to a person's lifestyle. And typically a caregiver is so much absorbed by caring that they don't care for themselves. And so being able to say, look, we got to map this out. How are we going to get you to view your body as a temple? Otherwise, you're going to need a caregiver, right?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And this is where you have to get into the details with the person. Like, what time of day are you not providing care for this elder person? You have to come up with a practical pathway.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
If you really do a dedication to lifestyle plus factors, you're going to get years more of healthy aging. And you can ignore all the false anti-aging supplements and drugs and interventions that exist today because they have no data. They're fact-free, if you will. So this is the thing is that it's right here now. We have more solid evidence for the lifestyle story than we've ever had before.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And as we have been reviewing, it's not just the big three of diet, exercise, and sleep. It's a lot of details within each of them. And then several other layers of the lifestyle story that we need to be paying attention to.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
we are in a time of medicine that I've been dreaming about. As a practicing cardiologist now heading into a fourth decade, I've been thinking, why am I seeing these people after they've had a heart attack or after they've already had a stent? And to think that we are going to be able to prevent this better than we've ever had before. And along with that, the other two major diseases.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
So for me, the idea that we have capabilities we've never had before is enthralling. And I think that whereas a lot of things are sobering these days in the world, if you pay attention to what's going on in life science and medicine, it's never been more exciting as it is right now.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
we can prevent those diseases from ever occurring, and particularly those people who are at high risk. So it's an exciting opportunity that we're only realizing now that we have ways to prevent age-related diseases.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
You. Oh, thank you.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Oh, you're really kind. I so much appreciate it, Mel.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
I'm good.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
You're dynamite. It's fun.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
No, no, no. You made it easy.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Ultimately, if you do all the things that we're talking about that's been study after study, this extends healthy aging by seven to 10 years. Wow. People keep talking about longevity. What we want to do is improve our health span. That is our years of healthy living. And so we can do that now if only we pay attention to the hard evidence that exists today. We don't need a magic pill or potion.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
We can just work with what we have right now. And that, you know, to have seven to 10 years more of healthy life
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
It's never too late. So it's also never too early. I mean, if you start doing this when you're in your 20s and you do it your whole life, you get even more years. But you could start this at age 70, 80, and you still will benefit. So the whole point here is that all of us
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
if we had the real extraordinary attention to these lifestyle factors, which are much more diverse and extensive than we have previously accepted, because they involve our environment, they involve being in nature, they involve many other things, that if we really tuned into all this, no matter what age, all the data supports promotion of healthy aging.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Exactly. So these diseases are related to particular organs in the body. And only now do we have these things called organ clocks, where these proteins in our body can tell us that a particular organ in a particular person is aging faster than it should. So not only can we tell people they are particularly high risk, but which is the organ, which is the condition that is off kilter, out of whack.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And that's when that prevention can really kick in to be targeted against that condition or organ that's affected. So we have, from the tools of science of aging, we have new metrics now that we never had before that's going to help us to make a huge dent in preventing age-related diseases in the future.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Now that we realize there's just the big three, you know, cancer, cardiovascular, neurodegenerative, which is mainly Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. The exciting future... which is beginning now, is that we can say you are at risk for this particular of the three and using the things that we know prevent that condition.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
That's what's so extraordinary right now is that we're at a cusp of being able to say this individualized or a lot of people call precision medicine, that we're going to be able to say, the only thing that you're at risk for is this disease. And we're going to get all over it. So you'll never really have to worry about getting it.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Or if you do get it, it will be 10 or 15 years beyond when you would have had it otherwise.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Am I stating that out really? Again, you really have this right because what you're talking about is today, people 65 and older are just riddled with chronic diseases. If those same people had started at age 50 with what we're talking about today, they would unlikely to have those chronic diseases. Or they might've had it when they're 75 or 80 rather than when they're 60.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
So the data supporting adopting lifestyle factors with these diseases, this is what I think most people don't understand. You've got 20 years to develop one of these diseases. Cancer doesn't just strike and all of a sudden. You don't have a heart attack or a stroke all of a sudden. You have 20 plus years while this is working in your body, developing, incubating, if you will.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And so if you started to do these things, Earlier in life, and again, as we reviewed earlier today, it's never too late, but these diseases could be avoided. The problem is most people who are 65 and have these chronic diseases have not followed these lifestyle plus factors, not taken advantage of what we know today.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
diseases that young people get. We're not talking about that. We're talking about the ones that are clearly, there's certain types of cancer, most of them, in fact, and obviously the neurodegenerative and cardiovascular. These are the principal age-related diseases.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And that's what I think a lot of people don't understand is aging increases the risk, but we have ways to change that whole pace, that clock, if you will. And that's what is exciting now.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Yeah, this is an area that's so ripe to reboot, which is how we address cancer. So for example, the way we do cancer screening is unbelievable. It's by an age. So if you're age 50, you're supposed to have mammograms or 40 even now, or you have colonoscopies. And these screening procedures do very little to diagnose cancer. Most cancers are not diagnosed through screening.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
And by the way, for breast cancer, for women... 88, almost 89% will never have breast cancer in their lives. So why are we putting women through frequent mammograms and other related procedures on a basis where they're never going to have the risk of breast cancer?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
Why don't we screen people, which we can, for their genetic risk so that we can say, you know what, you might have a mammogram every 10 years. You might never need one or you should have a frequent one. And maybe not only with the mammogram, but perhaps other imaging modalities. So we don't particularize the person's risk and we treat everybody like we're all the same. So that's one issue.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple Habits
The key is finding out who is at increased risk and then putting those people under surveillance. So we have this really great test now we never had before, which is called multi-cancer early detection. And so from a blood test, we could say there's a microscopic cancer. The problem is we're using it completely wrong now.
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I misspelled the word did in the first grade spelling bee. The thing is, I didn't actually misspell it. I stuttered at the beginning because I was nervous and was counted for using multiple Ds. I don't know where the teacher is who counted me out, but I hope she's miserable.
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Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
Cool. What do you all do for a living?
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Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
And then I'm a math teacher in middle school.
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Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
Pretty much everything. We had a truck loan and we ended up paying off our house too. Oh, it's your house and everything.
The Ramsey Show
Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
I just accidentally fell into that.
The Ramsey Show
Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
oh about 150 probably okay awesome very good so all right uh 165 and you paid off cars and house and what else credit cards pretty much everything yeah we were we were normal basically you had everything yeah everything you signed up for it all and you got rid of all of it yeah before we got married um i had a bunch of debt kelsey didn't have any and i brought all that to the table and thankfully she had well okay she didn't know about all that stuff but we ended up um working together to pay it off so how long y'all been married
The Ramsey Show
Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
just uh seven years last week our anniversary was just this past week so all right and so seven years a couple years you limp along and then you go okay boom we're getting on this yeah covid came around and i was coaching and teaching and i ended up delivering pizzas because i didn't think coaching was going to be a thing for a little while and at that point we're like we gotta we gotta do something about this and we had listened to some of the show we just never got really serious about it and
The Ramsey Show
Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
Absolutely. And so we decided, we're like, we got to take care of this. And we ended up, we were thinking it was going to be another couple years with the house, and Kelsey's grandmother left us an inheritance. So we ended up finishing off a little bit sooner than what we had planned, but it wasn't too much longer.
The Ramsey Show
Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
It was just a lot of not very smart decisions going along. But I think, like you guys talk about a lot, it's just being normal and doing what people think is right.
The Ramsey Show
Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
Having all the trucks and the cars and the fancy things. And we finally decided, we're like... We'll live like nobody else so we can live and give like nobody else later on.
The Ramsey Show
Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
Well, I got to teach a course last year, and I was like, I can actually teach to this now because I'm following the process. It's like kids are always like, when am I ever going to use this in my life? Well, I was like, well, you can't. Negative numbers are a real thing. And the bigger those negatives get, the harder it is to come back the other direction.
The Ramsey Show
Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
So I'm obviously the nerd in our household. So Kelsey's more of this free spirit.
The Ramsey Show
Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
I think the biggest thing is just being on the same page.
The Ramsey Show
Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
We got the EveryDollar budget app probably three years ago, and it really accelerated that process for us.
The Ramsey Show
Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
And arguments that sometimes come with those surprises.
The Ramsey Show
Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
and working together staying together yeah all right very good so now you're 30 years old 36 years old you don't have a single payment yeah of any kind anywhere how does that feel well we've already been able to add a line item to our budget that just says giving and giving three or four hundred dollars every month to people that like that need stuff like we can help out not have to worry about doing those and also being able to spend i know the people before us were talking about shopping we get to
The Ramsey Show
Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
We're talking about maybe going to the Opry on Wednesday night and listening to all the big-name country music artists.
The Ramsey Show
Hope Is the Difference Between Victim and Victor
It's a really good show, by the way. Being able to do stuff like that is just that freedom that you guys talk about.
The Ramsey Show
Wealth Magnifies Who You Already Are
Hi, Dave. I am super thankful and inspired by you and thankful for you for inspiring myself, my friends, and for giving my son a good foundation for his financials at the ripe old age of 15. So thank you, thank you, thank you.
The Ramsey Show
Wealth Magnifies Who You Already Are
So I'm in a good situation. I have a lot of retirement, about $700,000. I only owe $275,000 on my house. That's a value of $900,000. But I put my three to six months of savings I had into an account for my son for college. So I'm starting all over, and it's been really tight. And I was wondering, in your opinion, what is the best order for
The Ramsey Show
Wealth Magnifies Who You Already Are
to do things do i pause on putting into retirement and build my three to six months yes do i yes okay that's it yeah here's why if you don't and you have an emergency you'll use some of your retirement which you don't want to cash out for an emergency
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Your Present Reality Define Your Future
Okay, so my daughter purchased a home probably last year. with the understanding that in three years she would leave the house to me and her mom once she's got a new position on her job. Well, it come up a little sooner than we thought. So she's wanting to leave the house to me and her mom, but we can't afford the mortgage. So she was wanting to put
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Your Present Reality Define Your Future
$50,000 to $70,000 down on the house and get the mortgage lower so we could afford it. But she was told since she has an FHA loan that she could not put that much down and get the payment lower. So her next option would be to sell the home and to give us the $50,000 to $70,000 to put down on us a home, but our Credit is not up to par yet. But what do you suggest?
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Your Present Reality Define Your Future
She makes pretty good money. She's not there where she wants to be yet, but she makes pretty good money.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Your Present Reality Define Your Future
She's moving out of state, and she was going to rent. An apartment.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Your Present Reality Define Your Future
Well, no, we all stand there together.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Your Present Reality Define Your Future
She was going to leave. Yes, yes. Oh, okay. We all live there together.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Your Present Reality Define Your Future
Right. That's what we was thinking as well.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Your Present Reality Define Your Future
We have probably $15,000 in debt. Okay.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Your Present Reality Define Your Future
Okay. That's what we were thinking as well.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Your Present Reality Define Your Future
It was her idea. We had our own spot. We had a townhome. We lived in the house, and She was begging us to move in with her. She didn't want to stay there by herself, and she was going to leave the house to us. We thought long and hard about it, and we just went ahead and did it. I guess I was better judgment, but that's where we're at now.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Your Present Reality Define Your Future
Man, I hope that helps. Thank you.
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
So we've paid off $283,000. Yeah. How long did that take? Took us two years and eight months.
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
Yes, sir. So we started out at $189,000, and we finished at $240,000. Way to go. What do you all do for a living? I work for a mortgage lender, actually. I lead a sales team.
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
I wish I could take credit for it. It was more Cassie than it was me, Dave.
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
Retirement, we've got about $500,000 for mine. And then I think on the way over here, we said you had around $200,000.
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
Young millionaires. Yeah. So proud of y'all. Thank you.
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
you know cars or the house or how do we do this we just didn't know right if if we did then we wouldn't have been yeah in debt um and so we looked at our cars read you know the book yeah total money makeover is kind of what what got us sold into it dave we started listening to your program and really just made a commitment to each other um you know it's a team uh not not individuals it's
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
both of us together, setting goals and then really holding each other accountable. One of the stories that we kind of laugh about as I was walking around Cabela's with my brother Andy, and he came across a real Dave Ramsey tweet. Well, it wasn't real, but it said, life short by the boat. And we laughed.
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
Yeah. We laughed when we saw it, and so I sent it to Cassie, and she started panicking. She said, I can't believe Dave would say that. There's no way. Everything on the Internet is true. Abraham Lincoln said that.
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
That's right, and I think the point of sharing that story is the temptation is real to really deviate from the plan, but really making a commitment to each other, setting a clear goal, and then using the seven baby steps to work all the way through it. Life is short, but don't buy the boat. Really pay off the debt.
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
Yeah. So I think both of us were really, you know, when we had that meeting in January of 23, it's really trying to figure out how to tackle it. And of course, we had heard of the Ramsey show before, but we hadn't read the book. We really hadn't listened much to the radio program. So it was really just trying to think, what are some logical steps we can do to really start tackling this debt?
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
And really where we started to struggle was, you know, what do we pay off first? Like we said, we both work in banking and we thought, well, the interest rate's higher on the you know, on the house than the cars, you know, would it make sense to tackle the house first or how do we do it? And really looking at the seven baby steps really answered that question for us.
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
And it was really a very simple, straightforward plan that we knew we could do together. And so reading Total Money Makeover was really what sold us together on that. And then, of course, we've become listeners since then too and really enjoy your show.
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
Right, and Dave, it seems so normal, I think, people become comfortable with debt. It's so normal to have an auto loan. It's so normal to have a mortgage loan, and it doesn't have to be. And I think that's something that as we read your book and listen to your show, We shouldn't just accept that as normal, and both of us work hard. We make good money.
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
We've always managed our money fairly well, but we fell into that trap of, well, doesn't everybody have an auto payment? Doesn't everybody have a mortgage loan? You don't have to live like that. It's a very simple program, very simple steps, straightforward, and you can conquer it.
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
Yeah, we're just excited to be new parents. We have that weight lifted off our shoulders. We're just excited.
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
right so it feels great and to anybody that's listening you can do it um it's it's it seems insurmountable when you start but if you just take it one step at a time create a budget that was key after we paid off the house or paid off the cars because we could do that it was the budget um yeah and you start seeing where all this is going yeah i mean we make you guys make a quarter million dollars you know where the flip is we're making too much money to be this broke that's right so how are you going to celebrate what's next
The Ramsey Show
Skip the Scams, Build Real Wealth
Well, we're preparing to be parents. So we got really crazy, went to dinner when we paid our house off, which was really, really nice.
The Severance Podcast with Ben Stiller & Adam Scott
S2E8: Sweet Vitriol (with Patricia Arquette and Jimmy Kimmel)
Hi, this is Eric, and I have a question about the egg episode and how it relates to other foods you may have eaten on set. Curious to know what maybe disgusting, revolting foods you've eaten on a set, and if there are any plans to force actors to eat disgusting things in future episodes of Severance. Love the show. Thanks.
We Might Be Drunk
Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
No, I never saw that. It's like a Midnight Express type. That movie's awesome. Drugs, they get arrested. Vaughn is fucking heavyweight in that.
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If you want to see some shit you really can't do, John Wayne Gacy the Clown. That guy was doing some cutting edge shit. Oh, yeah.
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Look, I'm not a fan, just you might die. Yeah. That's how you say it.
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Oh, nice. I feel like Tim Blake Nelson, like he's not enough stuff. I feel like he's always really good, right?
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I love that movie. Great movie. That's a great wreck. I was thinking The Ballad of Buster Scruggs.
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Ted Bundy, people like. Ted Bundy. Yes. Oh, yeah, he's not sexy. But he's like overrated, kind of. For a killer, he's hot. For a killer, he's attractive, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's money. I never did it once. My brother had that poster up when he was a kid. It was just on his bed. No, no, no. It was like a photograph, but it was a different version. It was them in the car, and it just said Vegas.
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That's the best. Is this like going to be in theaters or? Oh, yeah.
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Stav and I always talk about that because I guess back in the day, the actor William Peterson was offered Platoon. And he was just like, and he did some shitty movie in L.A. instead. I think he was like, I could bang models in L.A. or I could get yelled at by Oliver Stone in Vietnam. I know, right? It's like, which one do you go with? Yeah. He probably made the right choice for him.
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Wait, he escaped from prison? Oh, yeah. Holy shit. Yeah, by the way, he was in the woods or something. He was so good, he could just charm you. Yeah. He's in a prison outfit. He's like, no, that's not me. Yeah. These aren't the droids you're looking for. When people lie... That kind of shit. Yeah. When people lie to your face that convincingly, you're just like, maybe I'm crazy.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Pizzolatto. Peterson did make fucking Manhunter. That's a sick movie. Oh, yeah. Wait, who made it? He was in Manhunter. Oh, yeah. The little man movie. That's a great show.
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Cut to that vet murdering me. How was the shoot? We beat up a veteran. Not great.
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He'd be a good podcast guest. He'd be great. He's kind of gone full conspiracy.
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I mean, was he ever not? He made so many, he made The Doors, JFK. I mean, he's always been doing.
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earth girls are easy and league of their own no she's and she's in mensa she's an oh really smart motherfucker oh shit thelma and louise oh yeah she won an oscar for that right she won an oscar for something that movie is so much darker than you think oh yeah you think it's good you just think of the fun i don't know why i thought it wasn't going to be darker because the scene that we all know is i'm just driving off a cliff oh yeah it was fun yeah it was beautiful it was friendship
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Yeah, her husband's beating her. Yeah. And they're just like, fuck it, and they're on the run. It's pretty damn good. And he's in Ridley Scott, too. Yeah, Ridley Scott. Young Brad Pitt. Yeah, that was his first thing, right?
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uh lenny kravitz and she's just the alien love child beautiful people and you're just like what she's like an alien man lenny kravitz is like 60 something with abs so hot yeah i think i said ass he's got an ass too but he but he uh he said some quote recently that he's been abstinent for 12 no really good that's why that's why he i know Really? I don't think we're competing for the same ass.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
That's like when you're young, at least I was, I drank so much soda when I was young that I'm like, I don't like soda anymore. That's probably how he was with pussy. Probably. He was like, I had enough Dr. Pepper for a lifetime.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
It's a way to get out that anxious energy without hurting your body with flavors like crisp mint, orange vanilla, maple, pepper, and peach blush. You won't feel like you're missing out on anything. Yeah, I mean, this is awesome. I like having stuff just, you know, here and there.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
I was like, sex was hard. It meant something to them. Women back then, they were like, yeah, I'll blow you. I don't give a shit. But the sex, they're like, nah, I'm not losing it to you. Sex is natural.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Yeah. I mentioned you last night. Yeah, George Michael. I mentioned you last night to my friend, and I was like, oh, he's a really good actor. I was mentioning a couple movies here, and he's like, I don't know those. I don't know movies. And I was like, he did the song My Dick. Oh, shit. I love that song. Yeah, man.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
I had a Ted Bundy one, I think, about how in the doc, the cop came on. He was like, that guy's problem, he was a narcissist. I was like, that was his only problem? You know what Bin Laden's problem? Never punctual. Always late.
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I don't know, man. I don't know about that. You got Brando in the first one, though. The first one's fucking good. Fuck. The second one is incredible, too. It's more action-packed, the second one. He's in Little Italy. Yeah, honestly, the way he fucking knifes that motherfucker.
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Captain America is pretty good. I've never seen it. I'm not a huge Marvel guy, but that's a pretty good one. People are saying the new Wick is pretty great. I caught the second half on TV the other night, and I couldn't turn it off.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
It's so hard. It's so hard to just sit there. Especially on the road when you're not home. Oh my God. Home is easier. At least you're home, but on the road. On the road in some weird hotel room. Soprano is like white noise.
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no but it's it's uh those serial killer docs man they're did you watch the pete rose one yet no tonight i'm watching it why what's uh it's all about the gambling how he fixed everything and just he's a fucking lunatic but he's so for kind of a neanderthal meathead just unbelievable hitter he's he's it's a fascinating story charming
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Halloween was a classic. Oh, we got the picture of it right there. We got Simon in the- Oh, yeah.
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it was disturbing and i'm like oh this is just every kid now wow has access to that i'm sure our parents look at us like that too but we just had i remember my stepdad had like a playboy under the cushion and it would just be a still photo of some boobs and you're like whoa but yeah this is a i remember at summer camp like jerking off in the fucking bathroom stall to like a club magazine oh yeah that's hot yeah club was hot club was cool that was but that was hardcore that was hard penetration
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Yeah. Yeah. But you're just like, fuck. You pass it around. You're like, this is page 67. It's pretty good. Yeah, yeah. Check it out. Buried out in the woods. Yeah. No, you're right. It's over. There was a picture from 2000, and it was in New York. I saw it on Twitter somewhere, and it just said, look, no one's on their phones.
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I think you were more alert with your neighbor, but also sometimes – It is good to zone out. It's tough. It's a tough line to walk.
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It's like watching a foreign film. Just give it like five minutes and you're in. Same with reading. You just have to just commit to the...
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Don't you kind of weirdly judge those people a little bit?
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Because when I just go back to a retreat, I'm like, you're fucking weird. Yeah, yeah. Like, I admire you, but it's weird. Yeah. And they always tell a story. They're like, yeah, the first day I was crying my eyes out. Yes, yes. I'm like, yeah, I don't want to do that.
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It's not going to be corny. It's just going to be different types of rap. Like, if you listen to rap now, it's so different than the rap we grew up with. That's true. Like, it's so funny. I'll hear this shit. By the way, can I give you a peeve based off of that? My peeve is when the gym plays music that's shitty.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
No. It is funny that they're like, he's not in for gambling. They're like, well, he did fuck a minor, too. Like, just use the minor and you don't sound as bad. Minorly. Yeah. Because Ty Cobb, I think, pushed his wife down a flight of stairs. Yeah. And they're like, you know, he's in. At a certain point, you know.
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Yes, yes. I'll do that when I read drunk. Sometimes I'll come home drunk. You can read drunk? Clearly not. Oh. I'll come home and I'll try, and then I'll just be like, I'll be like 40 pages in, and the next day I'm like, fuck, I gotta reread all these pages. I was blackout drunk. Any book recs? You know what I loved? Shout out Matt Ruby.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
I said this on Rogan recently, but Matt Ruby told me to read the Agassi book called Open. Oh, yeah. He was on meth?
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It's incredible. I loved it so much. I heard it's great. I never read it. Even if you don't like sports, you'll love it. It's moving. It's hilarious. It's fascinating. It's a guy who's so hard on himself and obsessed and such a rebel. He called his dad the dragon. He hated his dad. They basically sent him away. He referred to these tennis camps as prison.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Because they knew they had a prodigy on their hands. So once they saw him, they didn't want to get rid of him. And he knew that. And he was like, fuck you. I hate it here.
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They were just, the dad would call and say like, no, no, no, money's not a problem. We want him here.
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And he just heard like, oh, they just added time onto my prison sentence like that. I had to stay there. But he realized he was miserable there. So he was like, I'm going to act out. So he was like, you know, he'd go get like a pink mohawk and earring. You know, he started dressing in like jean shorts. He started dressing like a girl and be like, fuck you.
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And he'd win these tournaments dressed like that as like a rebel. It's hilarious. I mean, he's, he's an awesome dude. I just, I have so much respect for him.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
It's a ghost written by the guy who did the tender bar, which is, it was a popular one, but he, uh, Good rec. Dude, he's... J.R. Moringer. Yeah, he is just so hard on himself the way we are. He's like, oh, I couldn't get over the hump with Sampras. Dude, he had this insane career. He's like top 10 ever.
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That's how he opens. He goes, I fucking hate tennis. Wow. And he married Steffi Graf, who was one of the best female players of all time. Oh, that's right. That's got to be awkward. And he was in love with her for years.
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Yeah, but no, it's so good. The book is... I couldn't put it down, man.
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You've got to find this comic because he did a great bit on it. I forgot his name. Oh! He had the bit about how they use the three names. He goes, and I think it's because they're in a lot of trouble.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Dude, Vincent Price, I just watched a movie he's in. Great actor from the 40s, you know. He was the guy in the Michael Jackson video, too.
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Bless you. That was adorable. That was like the cutest sneeze I've ever seen.
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That was it. There he is. Yeah, yeah, dude, I watched this movie called Fuck, Save Her From Heaven. It's with Gene Tierney. Ah!
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
That was crazy. Strangle a fucking bird? Savor from Heaven. Yeah, Gene Tierney was like the hottest chick. Oh, really?
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
She's in a movie called Laura. It's like one of the best noirs of all time. But Vincent Price is a gnat with her, too. But he's in this one called Save Her From Heaven, and it's basically Fatal Attraction before Fatal Attraction, where he meets this gorgeous woman on a... I mean, Leah, pull a picture of her. He met her on Tinder? He meets her on a train, and he's like, she's so hot.
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Ends up marrying her. She's furious anytime there's anyone else in the picture. Crazy jealous. He's got a brother who's disabled, and she hates the brother for just being there. Wow. So I don't want to give too much away, but it's fucking hilarious. It's...
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Once you live longer, I think you just kind of like, you just kind of like, well, I got to stay. Once the life expectancy moves further up, you're kind of like, I got to get this shit tight. I got to stay together. But yeah.
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Look at Wilford Brimley. Pull up a picture of Wilford Brimley. That guy was in his 40s and he looked like he was 87.
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I want to credit him, too. You can find that. That was scary. That's such a good angle.
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But when he's like young, yeah, pull up young Wilford Brimley. He's still fucking young. He was never young.
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Was he in Cocoon? Tim Walls and fucking Brad Pitt. I'm like, put anyone next to Brad Pitt. That's true.
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The Cernan brothers wrote a new movie on Netflix called Incoming. It's like super bad level funny. Really? Wow. It's just an airtight... Have you not watched it yet? I haven't seen it yet. I haven't even heard of it. Dude, it's so funny. Really? I feel weird watching kids. It's fucking... You'll get over it in a sec. Really? Because it's written by adults. That's true. And it's...
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Just a bunch of freshmen who were terrified of being freshmen in high school. That it was the most awkward time. It's just fucking killer. All right. It's hilarious, and it's got heart. It's great. All right. I'm going to watch it. Watch it, dude. Okay.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
We had the Churning Brothers on the pod who wrote it, and I feel bad I didn't watch it before it came out, but I don't feel as bad that Mark hasn't even seen it yet. You should watch it. It's really great.
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Joe List used to say that doing the road with me was like Midnight Runs. We would just fucking beat each other's throats. Yeah. Great movie.
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Isn't that crazy? They listen to our podcast, they pause, they strangle a hooker, they get back in the car. I know. They need pods for the long drive. That's true. They pop on us, a little Rogan, kill Tony. Hey, Theo Vaughn's got Trump.
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It's pretty fantastic. It's like a perfect movie. And all the cameos. Every character actor is in it. Fucking Dennis Farina in National. Oh, wow. What's his name from The Sopranos? Joe Pantoliano? He plays such a good scumbag. Joey Pants.
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Which I think put us on Robert Smigel's radar- That's right. You got to get him back on with the insult dog versus Winnie. Oh, Triumph versus Winnie.
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That's perfect. Perfect. Where do you stay when you're there?
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You know what I love to do when you're debating what to order with the lady? I was like, give me three types of foods. There's four different types of foods.
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So easy. Give me three. And she can now, I'm like, all right, I'll give you three.
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And I'll, and I'm, I'm good with it, but you got to give me three. Yeah. Give you three. Sometimes. That's crazy. Usually I have to give the three and then she's like that one. I'm like, all right.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Yeah. That's how I started. Yep. I'd say Cheesecake Factory. It's too many options. What are we doing? You're like, how does an omelet have 3,600 calories?
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
I got to show you something else. I'll send it to you if you could throw it on if you want. Fuck.
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Oh, yeah, let's do it. I already gave like four wrecks today. You guys do the wrecks.
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The taxi... I'm loyal to the taxis here, but there are so many problems. In a world with no ratings, it's madness. It's madness. They've not been called... It's literally like... They're like single people. They haven't been called on their shit. Yes. So they're just like...
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
going to behave horribly yeah meanwhile the uber they've been raided but i i'm still lord of the cabs yeah you love the cabs you're new york i'm a new york guy they got done dirty it's fucked up but you go in there and it smells like shit half the time and then i i didn't ride back from jfk and you're like oh fuck it's like 90 minutes and he's just on the phone like like i just like yelling i'm like you don't have to yell it yeah who's on the other end just some guy like
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Yeah, that's true. They're just screaming back and forth. They're never like, yeah, yeah, I did this. That's true. It's never once. Never that.
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You did it. Get a life. You're one of the few that come prepped. We don't have to even prompt. Yeah.
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Hey, Mark, you're staying right here. Watch me do Cosby, motherfucker.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
He's so fucking fun. He is fun. Do people still go live on Instagram? Oh, yeah, all the time. I do it like once a year. If I have a special come out, I'm like, hey, guys, watch my special. That's how I am.
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Prime Video, same girl you've changed. Wasn't trying to do that.
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Tan France, thank you, buddy. That suit was his idea. Oh, really? Was that your boy that directed it? No, that's my friend James Webb. No, Tan France is from Queer Eye. I was like, what suit do I wear? Oh, nice.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
I feel more like there's like a swagger and a confidence. You what? I did a gig in Vegas like a few weeks before and I was like, let me throw a suit on so it doesn't feel weird because it's, you know. I can't keep telling. Yeah.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
He doesn't laugh. You've got to pull up the clip of Artie Lang and Howard Stern. I think he's on Seth Meyers telling the story already, but it's like... It's the story of roasting Trump and how he kind of couldn't take it. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's really.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
it's not just about to be home i was on a zoom podcast the other day i'm doing my friend's zoom pod and i felt the shit coming on oh shit just please wrap it up it's been over an hour he's gonna wrap it up and uh just as we're about to wrap up he's like well if you want to plug anything i'm like oh great this shit's about to plug my ass but then it just turns into another five minutes another five minutes and my body's like dude it's like your body's like dude come on yeah
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Full fire hose. That's one of the best feelings, and one of the best feelings is when you first get in a hotel room, whip off those pants.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
There it is. Damn, that was like, I think I'm going to nail that. Yeah. Yeah.
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This beer's pretty good. I haven't had a beer in a while.
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No, no. I got to do two shows tonight in Jersey. Oh, where in Jersey? Stress Factory. Stretch Factory? Stress. Oh. I am working out. I'm trying to get my... Wait.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
I was like a 13-year-old kid in the movie theater, like, a woman's finger has to go up your ass? I know, and I was like, oh, good to know. I'll try this tonight.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Anything else in the works? Any movies that you're coming up that you're pumped about?
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No. I mean, Pryor did a lot of act-outs. Yeah. I think if the joke calls for it. Yeah. I guess it depends on the comic. Yeah. I think, like, comics, we're snobs. We want a good joke. Like, Stephen Wright ain't doing an act-out. No.
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Right. But it's another gear, man. Burr will do act outs. That helicopter story. Yeah, I mean, and we do it sometimes.
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I've got some longer stories in my last couple hours, so it's like I'll do – I'm not, like, physical, but I'll do, like, a little act out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, man.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Well, it's like, you know, when the crowd's small, it's like you kind of play to that small energy. Yeah. So it's like if it's like 80 people, I kind of play. But if I'm in a bigger venue, I'll kind of up it a little bit. I kind of try to match their energy. But, yeah, they were – look, I was doing new shit. A lot of it was nothing.
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But as long as you leave with a few, you're like, all right, I'm fucking –
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
That's true. Yeah, if there's like six people there, you probably have to be like, are you good? And I'll jerk you off for a second. I'll fucking work the room a little and act out.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Yeah, that's not natural to who we are at this point. Like, you know, if I were doing that, it would be not me. It would be me putting it on. Right. Like, if I'm me, that's the energy. That's right. And it just feels more honest to them, I think. And they probably feel more comfortable. They're like, oh, he's not, like, putting something on. Right. Yeah. You're always putting something on, but...
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
You do everything. You guys both did the garden? No, I've never done MSG.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
You know, we both did a bunch of arenas with Amy back in the day. I did a bunch of Sandler's arena shows. Burt, we did the Burt. Yeah, we've done a lot of big arena shows, but the biggest one on our own, I think probably somewhat similar.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Like MSG Theater was probably the biggest I've done on my own.
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And also your style becomes more of that, I think, the more you do it. So I think my broadest hour is my first hour, honestly.
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If you're bombing a corporate, don't you find yourself going back to like that?
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It's the old shit. You're kind of just trying to tread water and you're like, this shit killed in America has got talent.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Yeah, but Billy Joel gets so much love for putting out like one new song in 30 years.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
And I liked the song. I thought it was good. But it's also like, man, he's also got such a crazy catalog that like, of course you just want to hear that stuff live. You're like, I want my, that's a pricey ticket.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
He went to singing lessons. Can a singing teacher, can they take you from like,
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
My point is, do you think a singing coach could make it so Mark and I have a decent singing voice?
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
It's like a rhythm. It is music. But Shatner doesn't have a great voice. He just is like, that's me.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
I've told this story before, but I remember the night she died, I was playing this club in Knoxville, opening for a guy. Side splitters? Yeah, back in the day. And it was the same night Jeremy Lin went for 38 against the Lakers. And every tweet was just, Lin-sanity, Lin-sanity. And someone tweeted, Whitney Houston died. That's Lin-sane.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Well, he, I mean, he, I think, you know, against Jokic was Serbia, right? Was that the last?
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Second to last. Second to last. The free throw line talking a lot of shit, and I'm like.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
you never see Steph but he is so competitive but he's got that baby face you don't like that the baby face assassin but that's right talking all this shit at the free throw line hit both of them ice the game yeah then that last game he just four in a row they were all insane all contested shots unbelievable and it's that crazy shot of LeBron and Durant just open and he's just like fuck it drains it like wow yeah I watched a montage and it was it put like classic music behind it and they made it in slow motion it was it was beautiful he's phenomenal
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
That one wasn't our fault. I mean, the T-Wolves drafted two point guards before him. He went like seventh. Yep. And the Timberwolves took two point guards ahead of him.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Wow. I don't think anybody knew he'd be that, I mean. Yeah. But he was fucking awesome in college. He was just at a tiny, he was a Davidson. Like, you don't know. Like a division three. Joe Zimmerman knew him in college. Really? Yeah, Joe played golf in college.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Yeah, he's just a freak athlete. He's a freak. He could probably retire basketball and be a pro golfer if he wanted. Really? Probably. He's that good at sports. I mean, he's...
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
There you go. There you go. That's a great fucking clip, though, isn't it? I think of that every time.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
I think that's the formula. There's that famous quote, I think it's Gustave Flaubert said, be violent in your work and ordinary in your life. Yeah. That's a good one.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
chris brown was the opposite damn i like that a lot yeah that's good be violent in your work i just re-watched magnolia fuck it's good yeah it's good oh so good he doesn't miss me but that whole character that whole character thing of uh philip baker hall is like did you fuck our daughter and he's like i don't remember what is this a tim robinson sketch i don't know i don't know if i
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
I don't love what they did with the ending, but the movie's incredible. It's beautiful.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
And the energy of the movie is, like, insane. Yeah. Yes. The zooms and the... The music and, like, the cutting, all these... It's, like, clearly influenced by, like, Robert Altman. Yeah. And, like, bam, bam, bam, all these things happening at once.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
I don't think you can top that. Yeah, I don't think so either. But he's made some other great shit, too. Oh, yeah, Punch Drunk. That was good. Punch Drunk was really good. The Whoopi Blood was good.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Oh. Yeah. But to laugh, you really have to know what's going on. That's true. Yeah, that's true. He's just not right, right, right, right, right, right, right.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
The Whoopi Blood was really good. Over the Boogie Nights.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
You're not re-watching There Will Be Blood like you're re-watching. Yeah, exactly.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
It's brutal, but it's still kind of fun. Yeah. I mean, Boogie Nights, not There Will Be Blood.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
by the way you know it's one of those things where like you could just do you know the technology they have in films you can just shoot this and no one you could just say you went to outer space and didn't go right i know i fucking know yeah yeah gravity looked great it's great and won oscars it's almost it's almost fucked up you're like costing some people work yeah oh yeah he's just going to space there's no crew out there and there's no location scouting either just in space you don't have to pay for the uh the building
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Hope so. That would sound great. Dude, I was on the phone with Delta yesterday just complaining about a flight. Yeah. And Anthony just sees me on the street because he was picking me up for a road gig. He was sitting on the street going, well, you better fucking figure it out. And I'm just holding Winnie.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Bodega Cat, baby. Oh, dude, the new bottle's coming soon. I mean, we have it already, I think, but we had a shipping issue today. But Bodega Cat, we're doing it, man.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
You have to do the complaints. It's a whole thing. Yeah. I used to have a joke about this in an old special. We don't do complaints. It's a real thing. They don't. They have a complaint division that you can't call. So they can email and they just count on you tiring.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
I thought you were going to say there's people getting raped in Delta flights. No, just on the fucking money. Yeah. The mileage. Comfort rape.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Some dyslexic person. It's like brain droppings type stuff.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
I still remember Hannibal Buress had that bit about how he didn't know what Orthodox Jewish people were. So he's like, why don't these Amish guys have blackberries?
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Or is it like, you know, Jews on Saturday, you have to have someone come over?
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
That's a great movie. Old school. No, I read about that one. I heard it's good.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Well, Norman turned me on to that guy, Cody Tucker. Cody Tucker.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
I got an adapter for my tub at home. So it's like, it's not expensive. It makes it an ice bath? Yeah, it freezes the water. Wow. That's a wreck. And it's clunky as fuck. Oh, wow. I'll tell you it's a wreck. I had to use it a couple of times. Oh, you haven't used it yet? No, I used it twice. And look, it woke me the hell up. Oh, yeah.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Oh, he played him before. He just is like, he'll tell you the origin of words like that.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
First thing in the morning, you got to set it up the night before. You just hop in there. You're like, all right, this sucks, but it's also awesome.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
We got Bodega Cat whiskey. It's all over New York right now. Strip House is going to carry it. Woo! We've got a new bottle will debut very soon.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
The new one's sexy. It looks cool. Do we have a picture? Thick with two Cs. Yeah, I will be in London September 18th. Whoa. Belfast September 22nd, the 24th in Dublin, the 25th in Paris. Then I will be in Amsterdam. We had a show in Amsterdam and Paris, so please fill those up. Copenhagen. Oslo, Stockholm, and then, yeah, Cleveland is the next spot. Not until November.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
So I'm going to add something in October, but then big tour in January. So keep your eyes open, samorell.com, or just go to punchup.live slash samorell, punchup.live slash Mark Norman, and you can see all our stuff there. Mark, where are you going to be, man?
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Yeah, thanks, boys. Punch-Up follows both on punchup.live slash Mark Norman, punchup.live slash Samuel. Go see Simon's, all his movies, Blink Twice. Thanks, guys. The new one's coming out. It's awesome, crushing. It's such a good guest on the podcast.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Love Bad Monkey, dude. It's been great so far. And get some Bodega Cat Whiskey at bodegacatwhiskey.com. We got a new fucking batch. We're making moves with this. If you want a piece of this shit, DM Bodega Kid on IG. I don't know what to do.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Slow it down. They got the right idea, though. We're going to do it. I just smell your fart now.
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Sorry. And on that note, it's been a great episode. We love you guys.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
This is like a version of the All Dress. Because I said I like All Dress. Is that why you did it? You fucking. What a thoughtful man. You considerate motherfucker, Matt. All Dress is my favorite potato chip. Winnie, you can't have any.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
I'm going in three days. Where are you going? London. That's Europe. Where else am I going? Belfast, Dublin, Paris, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Oslo, and Stockholm. That's Europe. Chosen all of them, baby. That's amazing, dude. That's great. I can't wait. And Frank House. That was a hot ticket. That was tough. You got one? I literally couldn't get tickets. It's sold out. I'm like, sold out six weeks.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
What is this, fucking Taylor Swift? It's insane that I'm having to call in favors to get into the Anne Frank house. So I put in Instagram stories. I'm like, didn't know it was such a hot ticket. Any help would be appreciated. The Jewish mafia starts hitting me up. Jessica Seinfeld's like, let me know what I can do to help. Schumer DMs me. All these Jews are like, I got you.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
And someone said, wait till Tuesday. They put up new tickets, and I waited, and I got them.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
good point but uh yo europe man van gogh museum too i got tickets so i'm gonna try to do a bang bang out one day in amsterdam it's so annoying i got a few and others yeah there's not enough time and you're not a stoner so you're not gonna go do all that don't do all that because i i try i'm not a stoner either and i was like let me get weed it's amsterdam and i ruined my whole trip yeah why are we not stoners
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
I think it heightens the doubts. Yeah, that's exactly right. That's why I like drinking it. Fucking shuts up those boys.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
It sounds like you're just high. That's a high. Maybe. I don't think. Because normally you just look at a person, right? I feel like it's the weed.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
My friend and I were so high once at home, and my dad knew, and he came in, and he just handed a pamphlet on cigarette smoking. It was the most passive-aggressive way to be like, he didn't know it was weed. What is this?
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Dude, we- Reuse it. I had her on the morning show segment in Baltimore, and then I'm walking into the comedy club there, and there's a line for people to get in outside, and as I'm walking around, everyone goes, Winnie!
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Winnie! That's awesome. I got to get her like a little scarf and sunglasses. Yeah.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Dude, we haven't even mentioned this, but you're in so many new movies, but you're just in a new one with... Pacino? Oh, yeah. Vince Vaughn.
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Ep 197: Simon Recs (Rex)
Really good, dude. What's the new show? Bad Monkey. Oh, is it good? Have you seen it? I'm two in. Oh, really? And I'm loving it. With Vince Vaughn? Yeah. It's like Carl Hyasin books, so it's like Florida Noir. Is that Japanese? No, he's like a Florida Noir type. Oh, wow. Floir. But he's like Vince Vaughn being like a really funny guy.
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Ep 221: Are You Garbage - H.Foley & Kevin Ryan with Mark Normand and Sam Morril
What do you want me to fucking say? What do you want me to say? They know who they fucking are. We chose as a group and they stood out and they said they belong there.
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Ep 221: Are You Garbage - H.Foley & Kevin Ryan with Mark Normand and Sam Morril
Okay, answer the fucking question. We keep talking like this out in the fucking parking lot. Out in the parking lot, kid. You give the fucking answers. Fuck that shit, dog. Want a fucking jacket? Want to talk some shit? Let's go step outside, motherfucker. I ain't here for that, dog. Want to talk about fucking fighting? Oh, wow. Want to get fucking rough? Do you think I'm scared?
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Ep 221: Are You Garbage - H.Foley & Kevin Ryan with Mark Normand and Sam Morril
No, you got two big security guards.
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You were a second ago. Yeah.
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And then I laughed and he goes, who is this?
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I'm going to fight through it continuously.
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It is boring. It actually is boring?
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I like that. I like that a lot. And what else happens with it?
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That's a good one. You guys have such good ones.
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What kind of crime is streaking?
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