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Building Wealth Is Hard but Being Broke Is Harder

Tue, 18 Feb 2025

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πŸ“ˆ Are you on track with the Baby Steps? Get a Free Personalized Plan Dave Ramsey & Jade Warshaw answer your questions and discuss: "My wife has been hiding her gambling debt from me," "God told me to buy specific crypto currency. Should I sell it?" "Should I sell my car?" "How do I talk to my family about creating a will?" "Am I too old to get out of debt?," "My sister-in-law wrongfully placed my aunt in a nursing home." Support Our Sponsors: 🌱 Get 10% off your first month of BetterHelp β—Ž Get 10% off Byrna product bundles and more! πŸ₯ Learn more about Christian Healthcare Ministries 🏑 Get started today with Churchill Mortgage πŸ”’ Get 20% off when you join DeleteMe 🏦 Go to FAIRWINDS Credit Union for an exclusive account bundle! πŸ₯— Save 15% on your first Field of Greens order with code RAMSEY ⛨ Find top Health Insurance Plans at Health Trust Financial πŸ’Έ To find out more about student loan refinancing, check out Laurel Road πŸ’» Visit NetSuite today to learn more πŸ—‚οΈ Use promo code RAMSEY for 18% off at The Nokbox πŸ’΅ Learn more about Timothy Plan πŸ› Get started with YRefy or call 844-2-RAMSEY πŸ” Visit Zander Insurance for your free instant quote today! Next Steps πŸ“± Watch the full episode for free in the Ramsey Network app. πŸ“ž Have a question for the show? Call 888-825-5225 Weekdays from 2-5pm ET or click here! ❀️ Get away with your spouse in Nashville πŸ›’ Preorder Build a Business You Love Now at Ramsey Solutions πŸ’΅ Start your free budget today. Download the EveryDollar app! πŸ’° Don’t pay extra for simple tax filing needs. File your taxes with 100% accurate software that’s 20% of the price πŸͺ‘ Check out Front Row Seat with Ken Coleman! Listen to more from Ramsey Network πŸŽ™οΈ The Ramsey Show   🧠 The Dr. John Delony Show 🍸 Smart Money Happy Hour πŸ’‘ The Rachel Cruze Show πŸ’Έ The Ramsey Show Highlights πŸ’° George Kamel πŸͺ‘ Front Row Seat with Ken Coleman πŸ“ˆ EntreLeadership Learn more about your ad choices. https://www.megaphone.fm/adchoices Ramsey Solutions Privacy Policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What is the main theme of this episode?

00:17 - 00:41 Dave Ramsey

Live from the headquarters of Ramsey Solutions, it's the Ramsey Show, where we help people build wealth, do work. that they love, and create actual amazing relationships. I'm Dave Ramsey, your host. Jade Walshaw, Ramsey personality, number one best-selling author, is my co-host today. You jump in, we'll talk about your life and your money. We'll talk about you right in front of you.

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00:42 - 00:57 Dave Ramsey

The phone number is 888-825-5225. The call is free, and some say the advice is worth exactly what you pay for it. Tommy starts off this hour in Reno, Nevada. Hi, Tommy. Welcome to The Ramsey Show.

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00:58 - 01:01 Tommy

Good morning and thank you for taking the call. Sure.

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01:01 - 01:02 Dave Ramsey

What's up in your world?

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Chapter 2: How to handle hidden debt in a marriage?

01:04 - 01:31 Tommy

Well, I'm a 75-year-old senior with a 68-year-old wife. And I found a month and a half ago that I was $53,000 in debt on credit cards. I thought I was debt-free for quite a while now. And I come to find out that there was money being put against the credit cards from casinos mostly, uh, for the last five years.

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01:33 - 02:05 Tommy

Anyway, right now I'm lined up to borrow $80,000 of the credit union at 6.6 to 5% 30 year amortization, but it's a balloon payment. And the reason I went with that is cause I, I can pay different amounts, at different times because I make $30,000 to $50,000 extra approximately every year over our retirement. Our retirement income is $57.35 a month.

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02:06 - 02:09 Jade Warshaw

Who racked up the credit card bills? Your wife?

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02:11 - 02:16 Tommy

Yes, ma'am. And you didn't know about it? I wasn't smart enough to keep my nose in the books, and I trusted her 100%.

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00:00 - 00:00 Dave Ramsey

How long have you guys been married?

00:00 - 00:00 Tommy

13 years. It's my second marriage. Okay.

00:00 - 00:00 Dave Ramsey

And so approximately half the time you've been married, she's been lying to you. Yes. Because she has a gambling problem. Yes. Okay. Well, you described to me how you're going to try to fix and get out of this. What about stopping the problem? What are we doing about our gambling problem?

00:00 - 00:00 Tommy

Well, she left me because she knew I'd be really upset, and she went to her mother. So she says she's getting counseling every week, but I'm not sure it's for the gambling problem.

00:00 - 00:00 Jade Warshaw

What do you think it's for?

Chapter 3: Should I sell my cryptocurrency now?

27:44 - 28:13 Dave Ramsey

that's nuts okay so sorry now i've insulted you completely but oh well uh just that's for the rest of the audience is at a vacation that's all i can say because i don't think i'm going to help you at all oh my gosh yeah clear the air okay let's go and matthew gets to follow that in chicago hey matthew how are you hey mr randy what's up not much uh in the parking lot um

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28:14 - 28:41 Sal

I'm a barber. I'm waiting to go into work after this. But, uh, I called you today, um, cause, uh, last June, um, I was looking for a car vehicle. Um, I kind of get approved for a car for credit. Um, I'm 23 years old. I've been through debt like twice, like in $10,000 worth. And I've read your book, the snowball method.

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28:42 - 28:54 Sal

I got out of like a 10,000 debt twice and then I saved my money a little bit for a down payment for a vehicle. I have a son, I have a fiance. I live with my fiance's mom at her house.

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28:55 - 28:57 Dave Ramsey

Um, what's your question?

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00:00 - 00:00 Sal

My, my question is I got a loan from my grandpa for like $35,000 for a Jeep grand Cherokee. Um, His folks co-signed for me, but he didn't want the title in his name, so he just paid it off. So I made an arrangement with him to pay him, and he wanted 5% interest. Okay, sounds good, whatever. I paid $687 a month to him with the interest. The principal is like $602.

00:00 - 00:00 Dave Ramsey

And it turns out this is not all it was cracked up to be. You're not having fun, are you, buddy? Pardon me? This is not fun, is it? Why did you call us?

00:00 - 00:00 Sal

Because I feel like I'm throwing money. I realize, okay, this is not an asset. It's a liability. I make a decent amount of money where it's like I'm good at saving, but then I save more. I want to get my own house, my own property with my wife.

00:00 - 00:00 Dave Ramsey

Good for you. Get rid of the $35,000 car then.

00:00 - 00:00 Sal

I know.

Chapter 4: Is it wise to take a family loan for a car?

34:17 - 34:45 Mark

When's it due? July 14th. Awesome, man. Good for you. Thank you. I have my own business in pet care. I'm a dog trainer. And I am $300,000 in debt. From what? So my question is... So my question is, do I focus on expanding the business, hiring and trying to be able to make the business self-running so I could be as present of a dad as possible or focus on paying off debts?

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34:46 - 34:49 Jade Warshaw

Is the debt business debt? Is it from you building this business? Is that where it came from?

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34:50 - 34:50 Mark

Yes.

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34:51 - 34:52 Dave Ramsey

Yes. That's where it came from. Most of it.

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00:00 - 00:00 Jade Warshaw

How does it take $300,000 to train a dog?

00:00 - 00:00 Dave Ramsey

Yeah.

00:00 - 00:00 Mark

So we started mobile. So I started the business when I was 19, doing it mobile, kept costs low, did it out of my truck. And then as we expanded, we decided that we needed a facility. So we rented and then kind of renovated a 4,000 square foot facility. That was in April of last year. So I took a home equity line of credit loan from my dad, which I know now from listening to you guys is a no-no.

00:00 - 00:00 Jade Warshaw

Just give me a quick synopsis. If I bring my dog to you and say I'm dropping my dog off, train him, what does it cost me? What do you cost for a service? I'm just curious.

00:00 - 00:00 Mark

Our lowest package is $33.75, and our most expensive package is $8,000. Okay.

Chapter 5: How do I manage debt while expanding my business?

40:24 - 40:24 Mark

Yeah.

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40:24 - 40:38 Dave Ramsey

That's why you brought in 300 K and you're only, and you're only making 12% margin on a service oriented business because you've used it all up. Your margins ought to be double, triple what they are in a service business. You don't have any cost of goods sold except dog food for God's sakes.

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40:38 - 40:39 Jade Warshaw

He needs your book, Dave.

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40:39 - 40:58 Dave Ramsey

And so, um, yeah, uh, I'm going to send you a copy of the entree leadership book, but, um, and, um, Jump in on the Entree Leadership Podcast and start listening to it that I do on small business and so forth because we've coached people exactly like you for 20 years, and I love small business people.

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00:00 - 00:00 Dave Ramsey

But the disease that you have is the idea that if I spend more, I'm always going to make more, and that is a disease that doesn't work in business. Spending does not equal income. And so you've bought everything fresh and shiny and new, and now you need to go make some money. And you probably ought to dump the $30,000 van and get rid of it and get some of the money back towards your dad.

00:00 - 00:00 Dave Ramsey

Anything you can get rid of and still operate the business and get money back towards your dad. I want you to concentrate on making money, not spending money. And quit telling yourself you just need one more marketing plan or you need one more purchase for this to break through. In business, if you are not the secret sauce, you're screwed.

00:00 - 00:00 Dave Ramsey

The other stuff around the dog training is window dressing. Your ability to look at an animal and teach it to behave is the secret sauce. And your ability to teach other people to do that that work for you is the secret sauce. It is not whether you have a van, and it's not whether you have a rental property with a kennel in it. It's your ability to do your job.

00:00 - 00:00 Dave Ramsey

And so if you'll go do that and make a bunch of money, you're going to be a great dad financially, and you're going to be fine. But you've got a lot of work to do, and it's not unusual for a young dad to be working. It's not a bad thing. This is The Ramsey Show.

00:00 - 00:00 George Kamel

Rachel, do you ever get these sketchy text messages that are like, hey, you need to update your address and verify so we can get you the package you didn't order?

Chapter 6: Why should I use Delete.me for privacy?

50:00 - 50:16 Dave Ramsey

But if that's still in place, you can use up some of her estate tax exemptions by against her gift tax. So she would not have gift tax if she files that document. But I've got a feeling this bunch of people doesn't file documents. They just kind of make up whatever they want to do and think it works.

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50:17 - 50:18 Matthew

And that's how it's been.

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50:19 - 50:34 Dave Ramsey

Yeah, that's their problem, though. They have the gift tax, not you. So I'm going to go over there and say, Auntie, here's two quick claim deeds. I need you to sign these so the properties are in my name. Okay. That's the easiest, cleanest thing you can do here. And your brothers and sisters do the same thing.

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50:35 - 50:55 Dave Ramsey

Because I'm afraid, because otherwise this is going to go to your kids, and that's not fair. I need you to sign them right now. I'm not getting up from this table until you sign these. Because they were supposed to go to my dad, and they're supposed to go to me, and you know that. And I need you to sign these and put these properties in my name. That's a one-page document, a quit claim deed.

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00:00 - 00:00 Dave Ramsey

Go see an attorney, have that drawn up for each property, and then have a notary notarize them, and then you file them at the courthouse, and the property is then in your name. It's over. Now, she technically would be due gift tax on that, and she can avoid that within 12 months of her signing that over to you if she files under the Unified Estate Tax Credit Program.

00:00 - 00:00 Dave Ramsey

But I got a feeling this lady's not doing any of that. Mm-hmm.

00:00 - 00:00 Dave Ramsey

she doesn't this is a lady she's never even i never had a job yeah i know i can tell me she i mean she's raised she's raised kids i mean that's work too i mean no i don't mean that she's not got any level of financial um sophistication not at all yeah and so i'm like yeah and so you got it you got to roll over there and you're otherwise you're going to lose four hundred thousand dollars

00:00 - 00:00 Dave Ramsey

That's the problem here. Folks in America, everybody needs a will. Hello? Everybody needs a will. If you've got a simple estate, go to MamaBearLegalForms.com. It's very inexpensive. You can have it done by morning. If you've got a complicated estate, sit down with an estate planning attorney. But everybody needs a will. It's not fair to the people.

00:00 - 00:00 Dave Ramsey

Look at what his dad and his grandmother have done to him by screwing around and not writing his stuff down. That's wrong, y'all. You need to take care of your family better than that.

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