Dan, Greg, and the Shipping Container continue their intense conversation on Tua Tagovailoa and his contract with the Miami Dolphins. Is everyone right and also wrong? Then, Tony delivers his Top 5 Viral Sports Videos That May Or May Not Be Real. Plus, Stugotz continues to lie to the WFAN crew, and Rays pitcher Pete Fairbanks blesses the show with more hilarious postgame sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?
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Chapter 2: Why is Tua Tagovailoa's contract such a hot topic?
That is also correct. I would say to you that what it is that you guys are presently doing that is the mind bleep of this and it is why you're stuck in this particular purgatory is... You're saying it's bad leadership because they haven't signed him. And I'm saying the only reason I think they have good leadership because they made him look like that. And I didn't think it was possible.
And so we are stuck in between the two things because I don't believe two is that good. I believe two has been missed. made that good by the circumstances that have surrounded him, and if I were him, and I don't mean it as a slight to say I don't believe he's that good.
What I'm saying when I say I don't believe he's that good is, best passer in the league, look at all the numbers, the offensive numbers are off the charts. I don't believe he's that. I believe that is a system product. I believe that he's what Jared Goff is, and if you pay him what Jared Goff got, I would shrug my shoulders and say, okay, fine.
if it's more than Jared Goff because the market stipulates that and you then prevent me from getting all the other pieces I have to put around him in order to make him successful you're putting me in a position where I'm paying him too much and I trust these people to not overpay on these things it's It's more important than ever. You're all fantasy GMs out there. You all question every GM.
You think you're Sunday League, that you know what you're doing. You don't have to handle the salary cap permutations. And in this particular case, I don't feel comfortable tearing up so much of my value in the one guy I'm particularly afraid of getting hurt. Still, they can try to protect him. They can try to play the Brady game. They're going to roll him out more.
If he's going to be light, he's going to be rolling out around the pocket more. And he's going to be in more positions where he can get hurt. I do believe he's more susceptible to injury than the average player. I believe that we spent a year talking about that.
It's not saying that that is bad leadership because they don't sign him. It's because they keep being in this purgatory position. They don't make a decision one way or another. And like you say, they've surrounded him with all these pieces. Anyone can do it. We saw what happened when he's not there. Anyone can do it. You could find another piece to go in this system.
But like he's very much a part of this system and why it has been successful. They're playing to his strengths. They're surrounding pieces around him that he can work with. If they let him go, they're going to have to start over from scratch.
I agree with what you're saying, and I would also add to you that wherever it is, the difference is on where they assign value. My guess is that Gardner Minshew would put up some decent numbers with this particular offense as well, given that they have a bit of a cheat code. This isn't to say that Gardner Minshew is Tua, but you understand what I'm saying.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of Tua's contract negotiations?
And he's only good because of his coaches, which I don't know if that's fair or not.
It was actually pretty funny. I think probably that Greg Cody has been in the Dolphin facilities where this would have taken place. But Brian Flores had these office sort of floor to ceiling glass windows that you could press a button and physically sort of frost them.
I've seen those. I wanted to get all those for my house. Very expensive, I assume.
That's what Tua was walking into, though, when the office would go. Can you imagine whatever the coldness is when you're not getting along with your coach and a physical frost just goes over the windows because of what Flores had and the sort of separation is the Belichick way. This part, man.
As someone who will tell you that I value the small things that make me happy now more than I ever have, the pollution that money can be when you've already found people who believe in you, the way that these people clearly believe in a tour, they have rehabbed the confidence that Flores could have destroyed during a delicate time, a style of coaching that really runs Belichick right out of the league.
because that's not how we deal with this generation of young player the job is hard enough mental frailty can get punctured at any point when you're doing what these people are for a living and Tua is sleeping at night with whatever his fears and pain are of, is my brain okay? I'm making decisions about my brain and my future mental health in ways that are truly terrifying.
To have a group of people in management who support you the way this group of people have supported Tua and then have the disconnect be over a few million dollars, that poison to me is really something that is a contaminant that I feel for the people involved because there's a human being underneath that helmet and I wouldn't want to get so caught up
in what the other guy has that I forget how tough my first year was when I had a coaching staff that didn't actually believe and understand me in a way that made me feel properly supported. There is and should be a value to that.
And I'm not the guy who's asking others to take discounts, but I am asking Tua to look into a mirror and have a self-assessment on value that does give the franchise some credit for what that value is.
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Chapter 4: How are coaches influencing Tua's performance?
But they're trying to tell you that his quarterback isn't, like, the argument they're making is, like, you're not a top five quarterback.
But I'm not being pro-management. I'm being pro-happiness. Do you know how fun it is to play the game the way Tua gets to play it? He wasn't allowed to play it that way in his first year. And the disconnect of who's responsible for that tore apart Brady and Belichick. You don't think it's going to tear apart two amateurs like Tua and McDaniel, too?
Let him play out the contract. Run the shit out of the ball.
When you say it's not pro-management, it is pro-management when you're saying it's just business. They're not disrespecting him. It's just business. The fact of the matter is there's one flawless quarterback in the NFL. It's Patrick Mahomes. You can have a criticism of every other starting quarterback in the league, including the ones making $50 million a year.
The market has spoken loudly in just the past year or two. OK, where every quarterback who signs an extension is practically destined to be the biggest paid player in the league until the next contract. I don't think Tua is asking to be the biggest paid, but he's looking at eight or nine quarterbacks making 50 million a year. And he's going, I'm better than that guy, that guy and that guy.
I want mine.
I got it out of my system. I hadn't done it for years. I hadn't done it for years. I know I did it 12 minutes too long. It was fun. We have not. I don't think it was fun. It was great. I added a lot. I think it was necessary. I don't think it was fun. Ask Jessica if she thought it was fun. It was a lot of Tua. We've had worse topics. Well, we just haven't done. We have not.
I love Tua talk.
I think if we clip you saying Tua's not good, we will do numbers. Numbers, Dan.
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Chapter 5: What role does AI play in sports media today?
They throw him the ball. Kicks it one shot.
Totally fake. Right into the hoop. 100% fake. That's real.
Again, this is a left kick that ended Kamaru Usman's run as probably the greatest welterweight that we've seen in a long time.
He's standing at a three-point line. Someone tosses him the ball, and in the air, he one-time kicks it. Yeah, lovely drop. The length of the court into the other hoop, and that is 1,000% fake. What? !
I don't know. I don't know. Strong kick.
I don't know.
So, Dan, this video reminded me of things that I would see in my childhood growing up, usually on commercials from PTI when you were doing them. And I made a top five list of the most incredible things that we've seen from back in the day that might have been real or might have been original AI. We don't know yet.
Billy, do you remember, because if I remember correctly, one of the first times that I ever saw video of any kind that was meant to purposely distort how good someone was athletically, it was Michael Vick throwing a football out of a... Oh, okay, hold on, that might be on the list now. Okay, all right.
That's the first time I even remember seeing... Wasn't there a viral commercial campaign that had an assortment of athletes doing...
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Chapter 6: How does misinformation affect public perception?
Number five, Chris Chambers catching three balls with two hands. That's one of them, I remember. Here we go. He's there. He's like, all right, you guys want to see me catch a football? All right, here we go. He's got his gloves on. He's walking down. Jug's machine's about to throw a ball. He's backwards, by the way.
He's got his back to it. He's got his back to the footballs. Yes, and he catches three footballs.
You're going to tell me that's not real, Dan? Come on. What year was that?
Looks like 0-4, maybe? That was Chris Chambers as a charger. I didn't even remember him as a charger.
Number four. That was number five, Chris Chambers. Number four, the aforementioned Mike Vick doing a lot of different things during the football one. Oh! Knocking the guy six yards back after a quick out route. Here's another one. See? Quick pass. It's not even a hard throw. It's a lob.
I think this is the one out of the stadium. Here you go. Go deep. Go long. Oops, I overthrew it. It's out of the – yeah. All right. Still going.
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Chapter 7: What's the consensus on Tua's value in the NFL?
I can do that with an orange. It didn't go out. It bounced. Is that USC Stadium? And imagine if someone throws a ball at you and they're throwing that ball 40 miles an hour. Think about the fact that you jump up and a car hits you at 40 miles an hour. You'd bounce back like that.
For those of you who didn't see the video, it was just a little, tiny, little flare. Out route. It wasn't even an out route. No. It's just a little pitch and catch. It's just a little toss to his running back out of the backfield. And his running back goes flying 10 yards like Jason Statham being pulled by one of those rubber cords in a stunt. Like it was a four-yard little toss.
And the running back ended up going seven yards on his back because the ball was allegedly thrown so hard.
You know when they throw in front of the sideline before the game and the receiver catches it and tosses it to the quarterback? That's what they were doing. It's a checklist.
down number three lebron james making five full court shots in a row which is incredible perfect form by the way regular form look at that 75 feet cash these all commercial campaigns what this was viral before viral little spin turnaround i don't remember this one actually cash is this so this is 2009 so it's sort of he's shooting from the other baseline just casually taking full court jumpers incredible i mean you're gonna tell me that's not real dan it's yeah give me a break it's not real
Number two. Number two. Rest in peace, Kobe the Mamba jumping over a car. Watch this. Here we go. Kobe's getting ready. Shelf on his feet. Defensive stance. He's doing the Birdman shaking the hands. Here we go. Defensive stance.
Bam!
Nailed it. Jumped over a Mercedes Benz, Dan. I didn't know that wasn't real until right now.
That was real.
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