Porn star or fullback? The crew gets into a conversation about the application of analytics within analysis and why Stugotz and Greg Cote might be right to be afraid of more information. Why can't we all just have great vibes like Tony Romo? Then, Greg vigorously defends David Samson and his case to be added to the Marlins Hall of Fame despite the Shipping Container's criticism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What makes Tony Romo's broadcast style unique?
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This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stugatz Podcast.
As we celebrate 20 years around here in this particular room with my friends who are beat up and tired and have a lot to do. Greg Cody's got to run out of here in a little bit before the chefs get here. Stu Gatz has to run out of here because he's got a ton of things to do with God Bless Football, which is growing great. And Chris Sims is great. And Bomani Jones is on a recent episode.
And that's great. And as they get tired and stuff and get beat up, running, trying to make this a video company as well as an audio company, I am reminded of the most wonderful times in this show's history when it behaved as only a radio show. only a thing that was heard, that didn't behave as if it was watched and was intimate. Watched. Intimate because it was heard.
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Chapter 2: Can you differentiate a porn star from a fullback?
And I close my eyes during the break and I hear that show sometimes when Stugatz is talking to whomever it is that he's talking to off the air. And when my eyes are closed, it sounds like the voice of the devil wandering around trying to tempt people into bad things.
And so what I just heard that put a smile on my face while my eyes were closed and I had gotten the breath, you know, the the blessed relief of Stugatz, not machine gun talking at everybody all day. I heard our radio show when he simply said to somebody, I do not know who it is. Google obscure porn names and see if any of them sound like a fullback.
That was me. He was talking to you? Yeah, we're looking for a potential new game. Yes. Fullback or porn star. Yes.
I thought he was talking to Mally. What I'm telling you about what's happening around here, because we've got so much spinning around at all times, The audio stugat and please video. Let's check in right now with Jessica as she shovels oatmeal into her face. She's taken she was very she was very good about waiting today instead of eating it like the bird seed last week. But you must be hungry.
We've gone to very fast hours and and there hasn't been a lot of fuel around here.
I made the mistake of making oatmeal today for my granola. It's like an oat on oat with oatmeal crime, I guess. And it takes five to ten minutes to steep in the little cup. So the whole break I was just waiting for it to be ready. And now it's finally ready, but the show's about to start. But if I wait a half hour, it's going to be cold. So I have to eat it. I really don't have a choice.
And I've heard that people really like when I'm eating on air. They like the sound of me chewing while I talk.
Is there honey on that? How do you sweeten that up? Or is it just oats on oats on oats?
My granola has a nice little brown sugar maple flavor. So it's very sweet, Dan.
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Chapter 3: How do analytics influence sports media coverage?
I think it's a good game.
I think it's got some potential. Porn star or fullback. Or we could do it this way. We could listen to Dominique Foxworth here, and I want to get the analysis of the group on this, and I will see if I agree with your analysis or if I disagree with your analysis of my analysis.
But let's see Dominique Foxworth talking about whether or not analytics have made the game less fun to cover, talk about, watch.
probably like three factions or I guess disciplines of NFL media. And it's one like the guys who are probably closer to how we were when we were like teenagers and preteens where it's like, that's just dope. Like you just like excited because something's cool. Like you don't, You read a couple articles here and there, but you don't live and breathe this stuff.
You're not like a crazy sports gambler. You're like, this is really cool, and it's just like the basic fan. And then there's like an advanced level of it, I would guess, in that there is like the ball watchers and the jargon users and the film guys, which I think these two groups are the ones that I think offend Charlie specifically more than the other ones.
And then there's the other group where it's like a –
like this is homework where it's like the the stats nerds where they just kind of suck all the fun out of it and i think or not all the fun out of it where they're looking to solve the problem which like speak speak definitively on topics there would take out the gray area of a game that's really complicated and i could speak to this specifically because i think when i first got into media like i recognized that i am who i am so i i
try to overcompensate like my own personal insecurity is like oh no you guys aren't smarter than me i can get as deep into these analytics as as anybody can and then i realized that i started dreading like getting ready for this because it was much more fun to watch the game and then be like you know what this is dope now let me go find
what the numbers say about this particular player or this player, because you know what? The reason why we like sports is because it's cool. And somebody did something that was cool or interesting that drove me to want to go into it. Like going the other way, I think sometimes it's problematic.
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Chapter 4: Is there a balance between analytics and traditional sports commentary?
One of my favorite things between Billy and Tony, it's been happening since I met Tony. When Tony geeks out on sports and gets excited about sports and makes a bunch of threes on Instagram, Billy gets there in a hurry to be like, you shouldn't be that serious about sports. Right, right.
That's geeking out is him saying people should be about vibes?
Well, no, he's just excited about what he's talking about. Tony is still excited by sports.
He had a kid, and he just needs to talk to someone is what's going on. So now he has a microphone, and he's like, oh, and everything's popping into his head. Exactly.
But because he's passionate about football, football is one of his wheelhouses. Football is where he gets to unravel some of his personality and what Jessica's talking about. She says it's hard. Can you in short bursts give me information and entertain me so that I want to listen when you're talking? And you're not droning. But you mentioned, Jessica, schools of thought.
And I do believe that people do not want schools with their football unless they're around the NIL money. Like they don't want to think of classrooms. They don't actually want to think too much about thought. But that part is confusing to me because we have an industrial complex that really feeds this thing that is filled with thought.
So at the beginning, Stugatz, of my radio career, one of the things that I was doing is I was talking to Billy Bean about Moneyball. I was doing a lot on the air, off the air. And Billy Bean was like sort of interested in the way that mainstream media wasn't interested in the math of what it is that he was doing at a time that he was, you know, exploiting inefficiencies in his business model.
The economy of sports, right? Well, but also somebody who's doing this stuff we're talking about, measurements, like where Billy Beane's trading for a player in the minor leagues and never sees him play. He's just looking at numbers on a sheet.
And so we're doing this to sports with fantasy and everywhere we do it, where we get impatient with the Chiefs with three years of excellence because it's like, I want to analyze all this, but the excellence, keep entertaining me, keep giving me more. But Greg's saying not more numbers, not more math, not more information.
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Chapter 5: Why is Greg Cote skeptical about advanced analytics?
And I'll go back and I'll look at what was this team's success rate? How does this team rank here? How does this team rank there? And sometimes it just won't even come up. We don't have time to really talk about all of that. But you could also just look at it and be like, this team, if you watch the game, you might have thought it was not a great offensive performance.
But the stats actually show that it was pretty good. What is an accessible statistic you can use? Is it just something like, how many times did they convert on third down? How many times did they do this or that? You can sort of find easier ways to explain it sometimes. But I even wonder, how many people really care about that sort of thing?
Or do they just want to laugh at, look at this funny blocked punt in this college football game? I think it's just something that everyone has to find the balance to.
Well, I would say, though, that one of the things that has to happen in the consumption of this information, specifically in the modern age, Stugatz, because there are more avenues to your information and more menu choices than you have ever had. But I think what ends up happening is that somebody either likes you or believes in the way that you're chewing all of this up and... regurgitating it.
I understand why it is that you would be hesitant to get caught in the weeds for 75 seconds talking math in a way that is an obvious tune-out. But over time, people will trust that you are informed enough with the right numbers and you will change their minds on things with things that you have learned because you're able to back it up with facts.
that the open-minded will then become fans of consuming football through a different person. Orlovsky has done this exceptionally. He's changed the way that people view Orlovsky.
He was, and I know people make fun of him at ESPN, and I know that he's guilty of this thing that you're accusing Dominique of, which he doesn't want to criticize anybody in a profession where he still wants jobs, which is a really hard needle to thread on how you do criticism in public. You better be good at the other stuff.
giving people your weird, giving people your personality, having strong opinions. If you're going to have what was his quarterback credibility, which is you don't know how to do this, you ran out of the back of the end zone, to no, you're an expert and I trust your expertise because you're giving it to me in a way that's both digestible and entertaining in a way that impresses me and furthermore,
You don't seem to want to work in this business. You seem to want to work in football for real, not off to the side in the middle of it. That's how much you love what it is that you're watching, that you're not actually being very critical of some of the people and the way your colleagues are.
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Chapter 6: What role do vibes play in sports analysis?
So A to B, Billy Gill in charge of executive producing has just decided because I stared at him three minutes ago and he saw the furnace in my eyes. He saw the rage in my eyes that we did not instantaneously have the Aaron shots, shots, shots music. So that is Aaron shots laughing.
No one in the audience knows that except for three people who know that Billy's producing the show and he's shots fired. It's Aaron shots laughing.
Good laugh. I assume a suey nominee.
Why can you not find in the library the Shots, Shots, Shots that plays every time we have Aaron Shots on answering your fast phone calls? I don't think we got that from ESPN.
I put in here Aaron Shots, Aaron Shots laugh, Aaron Shots interview, but there's no Shots, Shots. How are you spelling Shots? S-C-H-A-T-Z. And then I tried to misspell it a couple different ways, and all I found here, yeah. Shots.
I mean, in Billy's defense, he did have the Mina Kimes sound at the ready. And the laugh. I mean, who could forget?
What Greg Cody just did there where he turned shots to shats.
Spells it with an A. Probably a rough childhood for O'Leary, right? Pronounce your own name.
Put it on the poll, please, Juju, at Leviton Show. Is it a rough childhood for you if your last name is Schatz?
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Chapter 7: How has sports coverage evolved in the digital age?
Can you guys get for me, please, the sound yesterday from David Sampson when he was on with us? Because I came in today and people were arguing about it because Billy wasn't on yesterday and Jessica wasn't on yesterday. But Billy was delighting in the idea that David Sampson announced to everyone listening that he himself should be in the Marlins Hall of Fame.
I'm guessing David thinks he should be in the Marlins Hall of Fame. And I'm not certain he's wrong. I mean, he did win a World Series as team president. And got a ballpark opened.
Yeah. And so do I think that I should be in the first class? Absolutely not. Do I think that when you look at important figures in the history of the franchise, am I in that conversation? I don't know how to argue against that.
Wow. How about that? Hall of Fame. The Marlins invent a Hall of Fame for themselves. How about joining a hall of spending money on players? What they need is a new owner right now. And to David Sampson's credit, at least when he and Laurie were running the franchise, they had fire sales, but they spent money. They gave...
Stanton, a big country. How dare you say the Marlins didn't spend money? They signed Cal Quantrill yesterday. They are no longer the lowest spending team this offseason. Why don't you go talk to the Cardinals or the Brewers, Greg Cody? How about their owners?
Samson is no longer running the team, though, to Greg's point. Samson could be in the Hall of Infamy. No, but when they got the new ballpark, David, that team did spend money. Now, they didn't spend it well, but they spent money.
They sold it by June. What are we doing? Revisionist history, guys. They really did. Enough time passes and anyone can look good. It's so bad.
It's just crazy.
Except Bruce Sherman.
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Chapter 8: Why is Dan Le Batard's show sponsored by BetterHelp?
And so I ask you, are those convictions or those allegations? Like, what, are those settled? Like, I think that lawsuits, I think.
O.J. didn't kill anyone technically.
I don't know. I remember one time. This will make you guys laugh. I went one time as an entrepreneurial reporter back when you would go to a library and actually just like look through things in film records and stuff.
And I remember because I was an intern and they had assigned me some things asking me to become a reporter when I wasn't really a reporter and didn't know how it is to go about this. And so I was looking up and found that the Miami Heat had been sued seven times. And so I'm looking at this and I'm like, OK, I've got something here. What is this?
And alphabetically, right after Heat is Miami Herald. It had been sued hundreds of times.
Like, I'm sitting there reporting on lawsuits, so I don't know here what is true and what is not true, beyond what Jeremy is saying, which is, yes, if enough history passes, people will forget the bad things that you have done because there is no circumstance under which anyone in this town would make an argument on behalf of David Sampson for a Marlins Hall of Fame after...
Okay, you may not know about the status of the lawsuit, which was dismissed, but you do obviously know about the ballpark deal, right? Yes.
Yes. Hall of Fame worthy? They didn't do anything illegal with the ballpark. They did things that would be considered, I guess, business immoral, but everyone investigated everything. He got a ballpark built in a town that does not thank him for building that ballpark, and he's not wrong. They didn't want it. But he's not wrong.
No, they didn't want it, but he's not wrong when he says the business of baseball still exists in Miami because of that ballpark. It would be Oakland if not for that.
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