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Alternate Realities: Down the Rabbit Hole

Fri, 21 Feb 2025

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Episode 2: After reporter Zach Mack accepts a bet with his father over 10 politically apocalyptic predictions, he sets out on a journey to change his dad's mind.To listen to this series sponsor-free and get early access, sign up for Embedded+ in Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?

211.726 - 215.087 Zach Mack

From NPR's Embedded, I'm Zach Mack, and this is Alternate Realities.

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239.878 - 257.334 Dr. Ethan Cross

Neuroscientist Ethan Cross says you may think it's healthy to vent about what's bothering you, but... The problem is you often leave that conversation feeling really good about the person you just communicated with, but all the negative feelings are still there. Sometimes they're even more activated.

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272.802 - 278.664 Willie

My name is Willie and my question is, is magic real?

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On the ThruLine podcast, the myth linking autism and vaccines was decades in the making and was a major moment for vaccine hesitancy in America, tapping into fears involving the pharmaceutical industry and the federal government.

302.613 - 308.179 Joseph Uzinski

No matter how many studies you do showing that this is not a problem, it's very hard to unring the bell.

Chapter 2: What are Zach Mack's political predictions?

1486.084 - 1495.607 Zach's Mom

I have tolerated for a long time. And I don't choose to tolerate it anymore.

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1497.568 - 1505.731 Zach Mack

That day, Mom began sleeping in a separate bedroom, a step I've never seen her take before. How was your conversations with mom today?

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1507.893 - 1508.794 Zach's Dad

Brief and painful.

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1508.814 - 1529.851 Zach Mack

I mean, she said that she doesn't mind being politically different, but the conspiracy stuff she's really struggling with. Yeah. Do you feel like any pull to like meet her halfway on that stuff?

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1531.778 - 1533.339 Zach's Dad

I mean, how can you meet?

1533.599 - 1540.043 Zach's Dad

I have my opinion. I have my beliefs. How can I halfway believe what I believe?

1541.844 - 1561.175 Zach Mack

It's a fair question. Deep beliefs don't feel like choices. But when you reach an impasse like this, choices have to be made. It looks like my mom is making them. And she's not the only one. After a year of nearly no contact with my father, my sister informed the family that she wouldn't be coming home for the holidays, which we always come together for.

1562.195 - 1572.463 Zach Mack

But after two Christmases in a row where communication had broken down over her sexuality, she decided she wasn't interested in a third. Why aren't you coming home for Christmas?

1575.305 - 1581.27 Kira

Because I don't want to be there. I feel like I'm going to cry.

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