Steve Bannon
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Candace
Yes, Internet. I Am Pregnant...AGAIN. | Candace Ep 126
I've said everything many times that Elon came and Elon's money helped organize the grassroots of it. In his engineering mind, he saw what the problem was as we saw it, and he supported it. And for that, he gets a place at the table. There's no doubt you should. There are recent converts, and we love converts. Hell, I'm a Catholic. We used to be in the convert business. Not so much anymore.
Candace
Yes, Internet. I Am Pregnant...AGAIN. | Candace Ep 126
We can't keep what we got. But in the old days... You know, half the saints are missionaries. We love in converts. But the converts sit in the back and study for years and years and years to make sure you understand the faith and you understand the nuances of the faith and understand how you can internalize the faith.
Candace
Yes, Internet. I Am Pregnant...AGAIN. | Candace Ep 126
Don't come up and go to the pulpit in your first week here and start lecturing people about the way things are going to be. If you're going to do that, we're going to get and we're going to rip your face off.
Honestly with Bari Weiss
Trump’s Populism Isn’t a Sideshow. It’s as American as Apple Pie.
That burning, burning, burning in the grain of our soul that it was stolen, and we could not let this happen to the Republic and everything we saw, that built up the greatest comeback in the history of this country.
Honestly with Bari Weiss
Trump’s Populism Isn’t a Sideshow. It’s as American as Apple Pie.
You have to seize the institutions. You have to seize them. You have to control them. Number one is just for expertise. Remember, a populist movement is a grassroots movement. This is Steve Bannon again. General Jackson's term in office is a great example where he wanted to take down the central bank and he had all kinds of problems just even staffing out and getting things done.
Honestly with Bari Weiss
Trump’s Populism Isn’t a Sideshow. It’s as American as Apple Pie.
He accomplished a lot. But populism's restrictions is always the ruling class or the established order. They're not going to give it up and they think they can wait you out because history shows they can wait you out. They control the institutions, they control the education, they control the money centers. This is just about in every populist revolution.
Honestly with Bari Weiss
Trump’s Populism Isn’t a Sideshow. It’s as American as Apple Pie.
Well, I hope, I hope that we put back in that great painting of General Jackson right there to the president's left so you could get in all the shots. I would hope that would go back up.
Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Eventually, we got to work out some policies that work, but we just got to make the not just America first, but make the American citizen first. And if we do that, we're going to this is going to turn out fine.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
We'll get to that. He's particularly, he's kind of the epitome of the dumb, lazy, you know, and he seems like a decent guy, but it's all, it's just moronic is what cable TV puts the stuff up all the time. I want to go back to something. I cannot overemphasize enough how powerful Sean Trendy is. This is the reason I read everything. I read all the journals, read everything.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
That hit me right in the solar plexus. I go, that is exactly what happened. I couldn't get anybody to pay attention to it. People, I tell you, I got to pay attention to it with Stephen Miller. I'd met Stephen and Sergio Gore, who are now huge players in the White House, were two grundoons on the staff of Michelle Bachman, who was eventually the person that did kind of try to run as a populist.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
But I tell people, hey, people get hot. And, you know, the gods give charisma. And then if you don't grab it, like Chris Christie in 12 or Michelle Bachman in Palin, when you get the ability to grab it, you got to grab it. Because if you don't grab it, the gods take it away. Let's go back to Sean Trendy.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I would actually say that was an inflection point in American history because it got me excited about what the possibilities were and what the math was.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
What really proved our chops was right after I saw Trump in May 1st of 2014, six weeks later, Zuckerberg, that criminal, was coming here to get the amnesty deal done and this huge announcement the night before on Tuesday, I think the 7th of June in 2014, an economics professor named Dave Bradd from Randolph-Macon
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
actually defeated eric kander the first time a sitting uh majority leader had ever been defeated in a primary and i mean ran on 100 anti-immigration um platform that was really the beginning of the feeling of the power We really had something here that could win elections and win votes.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
The reason that didn't happen, and I never thought it would happen, because Bernie Sanders and all these guys that have been pro-worker and pro-union, you saw them flip. All of a sudden, they were open borders. Look, let me step back for a second.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
The entire post-war international rules-based order, right, all of it, Bretton Woods and all of it, the Pax Americana, is all on the shoulders of the little guy. It gets down to the shoulders of the working class and the middle class.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And you can see the Democratic Party transferring into a – of very wealthy donors the credential class of a bunch of people coming out of college or graduate schools and then the plebeians.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
The key on immigration – and I'm anti any – I want a moratorium on all immigration right now because I want American citizens to get a shot at the brass ring, which they deserve since the entire world's economic system is on their shoulders. And it's the same people whose taxes and pension money support everything, right? Their sons and daughters –
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
are standing watch on destroyers and carrier battle groups in the Red Sea to keep the Suez Canal open for trade to Europe. They're on patrol in the Hindu Kush. They're in Romania with the 101st Airborne. And I saw it, I served in that. And all the people in my destroyer post-Vietnam in the all-volunteer forces had a choice in those early years of the Navy were jail or the military.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And my daughter later went to West Point, officer and served, fought in Iraq. And all of her enlisted, I think of 16 enlisted guys or first command, 16 enlisted guys, I think 12 were minorities who had done an average of 10 or 12 tours and had broken families and all the pressure. So the pressures, it's on them for the system to work if they get no real benefits from the system.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And most importantly, the capitalists. are always trying to drive down wages. Now, they do it two ways. They either allow illegal immigration at the border, which drives down wages of lower-skilled workers, particularly African Americans and Hispanic, but they also scam the system with a whole visa set of visa programs, and they call it kind of fancy names, the H-1B visas.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
All they're trying to do is bring in indentured servants into the country at a third less or 50% less and very compliant about what they have to do to make sure they don't have to pay American graduates. And this is why Silicon Valley is an apartheid state. It's the reason you have no Hispanics or blacks. There's no shot to get in Silicon Valley. It's not because Americans are dumber.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
It's not because Americans are lazy. It's because American citizens, you have a globalist system and the capitalists because we're in a capitalist system, are always looking to drive labor costs down. And the Democratic Party could have done this, but Bernie Sanders and all the guys who supported labor all became open borders on immigration. And they made it some sort of racial xenophobic thing.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And I kept telling people, hey, I don't give two fucks. If you call me a racist, I don't give two fucks. You call me a xenophobe or anything like that. I'm standing up for the American Senate. I come from a working class family.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And I can tell you that when they fully understand the economics and they look around at what's happening, African-Americans and Hispanic families are going to vote for us. And Sean Trendy gave us a little bit of a map. that you could see it. And we did a little bit of action, but it was just kind of putting it in a direction. It was so obvious it was there.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Ross, thank you very much, but I got to correct you right out of the box. Please don't tell me, because I read your column, that you didn't consider Marc Andreessen a part of the right. Marc Andreessen and the oligarchs are nothing but a bunch of progressive leftists.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
It was so obvious it was there, and it's so obvious it's only getting bigger and bigger and bigger if we deliver it now on policies. We've got to be a lot, and we're going to have some massive fights on policies because the dumb, lazy media keeps saying the Republican Party is all Trump. He controls it. I he controls it because they fear him.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
But you scratch the surface of most of these congressmen and almost all the senators. They're just standard stock Republicans. They're neoliberal neocons.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
It's a little bit of a dog's breakfast policy-wise.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
We had 300 infrastructure weeks.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I'm adding up all four years. I don't know. Maybe I've overcounted. It just seemed like 300 infrastructure weeks.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
that had, most of them had their Damascene moment at, I don't know, between 10 and 11 o'clock on the evening of 5 November when the Trump movement won Pennsylvania. So, no, I think the oligarchs are, they're not conservative, they're not on the, certainly not on the right.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Okay. So hang on. So I step in and take it over. And I – look. I ran for student body president as a junior in college and won. I had never done anything in politics since. I'd never been to a campaign office. I had no fucking idea what I was doing.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
But we figured that given how badly the campaign was being run, that I couldn't do worse than close this thing up, you know, to a couple point loss, worst case. And so we made a coalition. I made a pact with the Republican establishment. We had to to win.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
It's a failing transition. We just don't want the people, and President Trump's not there, and the mandate's really not to take on the administrative state. We do get the tax cut, which I'm not happy with. And I'd lose that. President Trump will listen to you.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
He'll look at the facts, and he makes the decision, no, they does his tax cut, the same one that we're going to have a fight on again that's coming up to be renewed. But we do deregulation. We get enough done that you get the, and President Trump's a man of peace. So by 18 and 19, 19, the fall of 19, Low interest rates, low inflation, blue collar.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Infrastructure, you're correct, was an epic fail. The Republican establishment had zero interest in that. Mitch McConnell had zero interest. We had a couple of infrastructure weeks and they just considered it a joke and we never made any progress.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
We're totally different now. I shouldn't say totally different. Right now we have, in the days of Thunderclap, we have scale, we have depth, and we have urgency. How do we even get there? For four years, so when Trump leaves on January 20th of 2021, when he gets back to Mar-a-Lago, it's the lion and winner, right?
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And so everything they're doing, crawling under their belly to try to get into this movement and pollute this movement because they see the raw political power of this movement, I find Disgusting and revolting.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And the only reason that the McCarthy's guys go down is make sure the lion's still caged. It's all DeSantis and Nikki Haley and, you know, the next thing. He's done, he's finished. And now you're down to, now you're to the hardcore populist. Even on our audience, at the same time, something very important happens.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
There are both donors, not many of them, and public intellectuals and guys and things that are going to start these small think tanks. And you have Brooke Rollins, who was in the White House. She was head of the Domestic Policy Council. And Stephen Miller essentially set up America First Policy Institute.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Russ Vogt, who was OMB and a critical guy in the first administration, one of the secret weapons, starts Center for Renewing America with Paoletta and Jeff Clark and And Heritage does Project 2025. And you've got a few more. But you've got these four or five groups and kind of we call the rubric Project 2025.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
It's to take policy because one of the problems we definitely had is that there's a gap between the populist nationalist promise and the populist nationalist delivery. And that has got to be in policy. And so you have – including you've got to keep along policy. That Nikki Haley, 14 or 15 percent, maybe 18, 20 percent of traditional Republicans that are just not there with you. Right.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
They'll be there if you give them a policy suite that they can buy into. And you need those people. You need them to win as you expand your own populace with African-Americans, Hispanics. But they're a bridging element.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
So over the four years, I mean, you have serious public intellectuals for the first time thinking through serious policy alternatives on military strategy, national security, foreign policy, economics, all of it. But you've also had, as important as a policy art, you have people starting working as a team, networking.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Remember, you're building teams and networks of subject matter experts and people know how to work together. And we're flooding the zone with the cabinet nominations. This is just so much different. Now, what I was able to do was just not on policy verticals, but also taking on the Leviathan.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And this is where I take special pride and tell the limited government service, go fuck yourself because you didn't do shit except get this thing fucking bigger so it's out of control. The deconstruction of the administrative state, and this goes back to 16, this is why Gorsuch is on the Supreme Court. This is why Kavanaugh to a degree. This is a young...
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
group of intellectual people in the judiciary that are very focused on this fourth branch of government that's metastasized to basically become a permanent government. And basically, whoever wins, whether it's Bernie Sanders or AOC or Donald Trump, right? It doesn't matter. They're the permanent government and they got a permanent way to do it. That has to be deconstructed.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And that's one of the things I'm so proud of.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
The concrete deliverable first is the deportation. First off, remember, if you don't vote for the Democrats, that's one vote to us. If you vote for us, it's two-vote swing. The first step is just to say, these guys have done nothing but fuck you the entire time. Why are you continuing to vote for them? And I think they started to see that as we started to bring up immigration.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
They could see it in their communities, not just the lawlessness and the crowding of the schools, all that, but the competition for wages and for labor. This is what it's about. That's the first time that people are prepared to listen to you, that, hey, these guys aren't a bunch of white racists, nativists, et cetera.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I'm a prisoner. I'm a convict. You can just sum it up in that.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
They're actually talking about my economics, and they understand in my community. It's not the lawlessness, the schools, the medical, which is all terrible because of the flooding of this, and the elite don't care because they don't have to deal with it.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
We are about to see. This is why I'm so adamant. We can't have one big, beautiful bill. We need two bills.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
For the donor class and the Wall Street Journal and Murdoch's, you're 1 million percent correct. They want the permanent installation of the Trump tax cuts. They're all welfare queens on corporate welfare, and this is why I'm so adamantly opposed to them.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I support the president, but look, I didn't support the tax plan in the beginning, and I still think my ideas would have been even better for President Trump in the country, although his turned out pretty well. But if you look at roughly— You know, as Scott Besson said the other day, I think that it's $4 trillion. It'll be the biggest tax increase in history if it's not $4 trillion.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
$2.6 trillion of that goes to people in joint incomes under $400,000. Still over a trillion, 1.2 trillion goes to the wealthy. And my point is quite simple. Not only you're not going to get the tax cut, you're going to get dramatic tax increases unless we can get spending under control. And when I say spending under control, I mean a trillion dollars of cut
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
This year, when they talk about the 10-year cycle, they're lying to you. It's irrelevant. I worked at Goldman in turnarounds. The only thing we should be talking about is fiscal year 25 and fiscal year 26. Those two years, what do we cut? How close can we get to a realistic financial model, economic model that gets us close?
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And the best way to do this is put a gun to the head of the wealthy and say, okay, fuckers, if you don't help us cut spending by backing your lobbyists off—
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
and backing off the corporatists and backing off all the guys, your big shareholders and you yourself, if we don't get that out and let's start with the defense budget, we just agreed to a $900 billion NDAA, which as a former serving Naval officer and a guy whose daughter went to West Point, she gave eight years of her life. We got skin in the game, we're Hawks. The defense budget is an obscenity.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
and must be cut. Unless we're prepared to do that, then your taxes are going to go up, and not just your income taxes. We're going to have financial taxes. We're going to have all of it, financial taxes. We're going to get to a balanced budget, and we're not going to do it in the back of the little guy.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
In fact, the no tax on tips is just what President Trump has promised over and over again, no tax on overtime and no tax on Social Security, which is the big kahuna. So we have, Ross, I think we're Roughly another $500 billion shortage on revenue.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
So we're probably four, four and a half with the tax cuts the populace need for the people to get more income to the American citizen, the hardworking American citizen. So, no, I'm mad about this. So you're saying basically –
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Yes, but I want to go – let's go back in time just a bit to the first 90 days of the Biden regime. Just for a minute.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
But they – remember, they put forward this huge tax the wealthy, tax the billionaires. It didn't even get a committee hearing. It was performed as a joke to hang out there. Right. I'm talking about significant spending cuts starting in defense, and Medicare and Social Security are off to the side, okay? Right.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Significant spending cuts, and if we don't get the cuts and the wealthy don't have some cuts, I don't want to increase taxes on wealthy just because I believe in soak the rich. Maybe I do, but I would not want to be part of policy.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I want to do that to get our financial house in order because we just can't keep borrowing at a trillion dollars every 100 days. So, yes, if we can't balance it, in addition with the more tax cuts for the working class, particularly Social Security, then that gap, we got to close that gap from $2 trillion. And CBO backs me up. House Freedom Caucus says it's going to be $2 trillion a year.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
We got to close that. I think it's spending cuts. And if it has to be, increase taxes. Not just they don't get the tax cuts reinstalled from Trump 17, but you actually increase taxes on these people. And that I believe in incentives. I think Ross that that will incentivize the donor class to get focused on cutting government spending. Let's make them part of the process.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
So that's the only way you can do it. And, you know, when I mentioned tax cuts, and I'm going to tell you, when I go around and give speeches, I gave one to Wall Street, a third of the audience of a Wall Street crowd standing ovation, two thirds, one third didn't applaud and one third spit on the floor.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
But I go, when I go to Denton, Texas and places like that, and I say this program about increased tax for wealthy standing ovation, the people are there and the voters are there.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
No, you're too smart. You're one of the leading public intellectuals. I'm not one of them. No, no, you are. They're oligarchs. They're oligarchs. They're 100% oligarchs. They believe in techno-feudalism. Look, they're all down here for one reason. They either knew we were going to win. They were smart enough to look at the math. Right. Or they saw after we won.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I mean, Facebook's Damascene moment wasn't until 10 o'clock that night. Now he's down there. They're oligarchs who believe in techno-feudalism. They have nothing. They're not even on the spectrum where we can argue against Rachel Maddow and AOC and Bernie Sanders on the spectrum of – they're not on this spectrum.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Let me just give you a quick bunch of history. Obama is the most, in the progressive administration, him and Biden, the most reactionary in American history. Number one, he made a Faustian bargain with the sociopathic overlords in Wall Street to bail us out of the 2008 crisis, which still hasn't been resolved. At the same time,
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
The Obama and the established order went to Silicon Valley and made a deal with them. And the deal was the following. We will allow you to become the wealthiest people in the history of the world. We will let you create an apartheid state. We will let you become monopolies. We will get no anti-trade. In fact, that's why you got Google and search. You got Facebook and what they do.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
You got Twitter and what they do. You've got Amazon destroying small business for the CCP. Every one of these guys, a monopoly in the Justice Department for 10 or 12 years to just look the other way. So we'll let you become monopolies. We'll let you become the wealthiest people on earth. But here's the bargain. Here's what you have to do.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
You have to make the hegemon, the United States, and the post-war international rules-based order and the ruling class of this country, you have to make us a dominant, dominant country. technological power of which we have the commanding heights can never be questioned. And over the last 72 hours, what we've seen is two things. Number one is social media.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
The Chinese Communist Party and the PLA created TikTok, which is far more powerful than all the social media platforms of these guys put together, right? Forget that they use the information and the ownership. I'm just talking about the addictive nature and how evil can be put in there. And we now know that all the
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
really, let's say hundreds of billions of dollars, not tens of billions, that we put into the theory of the case of blunt force computing power that the Green New Deal's forgotten, climate change is forgotten, you gotta build power generators everywhere, you gotta give over federal land for data centers everywhere, five times the, we gotta burn more coal, more oil for these data centers because our method of AI, we understand that if this is not a PSYOP, which I don't think it totally is, we've had our Sputnik moment, and guess what?
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
The oligarchs that we created who were all progressive Democrats absolutely fucking face-planted. Now, here's the point. In techno-feudalism— You're just a digital serf. You're valued as a human being, as someone built and made in the image and likeness of God and endowed with the life spirit of the Holy Spirit. They don't consider that. Everything's digital to them.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
They are, at the end of the day, transhumanist. And what is transhumanist? Transhumanist is somebody who sees Homo sapien here and Homo sapien plus transhuman. Right. Plus, on the other side, what they call the singularity.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And that's why they're all rushing, whether it's artificial intelligence, regenerative robotics, quantum computing, advanced chip design, CRISPR, biotech, all of it to come to this point of which the oligarchs are going to lead that revolution. And why are they going to do it? Number one, when you get to know them and see where they're spending the money, it's because they want eternal life.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
You know why? Because they're complete atheistic people. 11-year-old boys that are kind of science fiction Dungeons and Dragons guys. And we've turned the nation over to that. And yes, I'm going to fight it every fucking step of the way. This is taking us back a millennium to feudalism. This is what their business model is based upon that. And the progressive left made a deal with these guys.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
They're all lefties. Elon had the first awakening because he could kind of, as an engineer, you kind of see the math He fully supported our plan of a base plus election to go get the low information voters and the moms for liberty and the moms for America who had flipped during the pandemic.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
He backed that strategy and the dude wrote a $250 million check over five months unprecedented to back our play. He's the first, but the rest of them, even Andreessen, they're all super progressive liberals. They're all techno feudalists. They don't give a flying fuck about the human being. And I don't care if you're black or white, Hispanic, Chinese, they don't care. And they have to be stopped.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I think it's—the through line, I'll do it quickly. You know, working class— Kennedy Democrat family from a blue-collar Catholic family that, you know, father was essentially a foreman at the phone company and got to lower management, spent 50 years there as his father did, and helped organize the communication workers of America back in the 30s before it went off the rails.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
If we don't stop it, and we don't stop it now, it's going to destroy, not just this country, it's going to destroy the world. And you've seen this artificial intelligence. We have no controls over this. We've allowed these monopolies to exist. And now we know they're getting their ass handed to them, I think, by the Chinese Communist Party. We're in deep shit right now. We're in a crisis.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And that there is this sort of... No, wait, wait, let me... Balazs in the network state. Let's talk about that. They're not weird... They're radicals. They're radicals.
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You're going to get a good- Call it. We got breaking news. Bannon's actually going to be invited back.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
No, since Edison may be our greatest applied engineer. He is a genius in that level. Agreed. Agreed. And so he looks at the thing as all kind of mathematical equations from engineering in a big brain. When he puts on something, he can solve it. He is the most prominent of that crowd that's warned against artificial intelligence and artificial general intelligence.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
It's one of the reasons he and the Altman at OpenAI have had so many big fights.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Not they hate each other. I mean, and part of that's personal, but part of it is philosophical. And Brother Musk is probably the farthest down the line because he's the most advanced in shipping. So I think Neuralink is one of the most aggressive about homo sapien shipping. 1.0, a homo sapien 2.0, Elon is at the tip of this. And Elon is actually on an applied engineering basis, not bullshit talk.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
He is probably the farthest advance for transhumanism. People have to understand in the life, and I say life, next 10 years of your audience, we're going to be facing a dilemma for yourself and your kids. Do you enhance yourself? Do you enhance yourself either by genetic engineering? Do you enhance yourself by advanced chip design plugged into you?
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
You know, stay-at-home mom, five kids, land-grant university, naval officer. Educated at Harvard Business School, where that's the West Point of capitalism, particularly at the time, globalization. Studied under Michael Porter, the great theoretician of competitive advantage and globalization. Became an expert in intellectual property, met Andrew Breitbart and helped him finance Breitbart.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Do you advance yourself by artificial intelligence? Elon's one of the top accelerationists about driving this thing faster, faster at accelerating at an increasing rate. You're going to have to make a choice in your own life, not just politically in society, your own life. Do I do this? Am I a Luddite? Will I get left behind? More importantly, will my children get left behind?
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Do my children have a shot to really play sports in a Division I level? Or do my kids have an ability to go to an Ivy League school unless I get them enhanced? These questions, deep questions, never before handled in mankind's history are going to happen and going to happen in the next couple of years.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I'm going to disagree with you. The whole of government leading the whole of society had a thing that they wanted a few large entities of which they then could kind of try to control, right, and stop the entrepreneurs. And that's, I think, Andreessen in the venture capital community.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
If you have... Ross, let me just tell you, if you have the beginning of the kinetic part of the Third World War and the Eurasian landmass, and you have... Meaning China versus Taiwan, just to put it in layman's terms. No, I mean a million seven people killed in Ukraine or wounded in Ukraine.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
The Middle East, I'm talking about that. And by the way, China ready to go in time. What we have already, yep. I'm saying Trump's got to handle that. The problems are such a scale, and what he's doing there is magnificent. Now, when you talk about the deeper... issues we face, you know, it's a process.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I've started off, when I first started this, you know, people that I really admire were just like, populism, what are you talking about? It's like, and don't say nationalism because that's, you know, nationalism doesn't go to a good place. I said, no, we're populist nationalists. So I've had long odds before. This one's long odds.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Now we've got the Sputnik moment that can you let the Chinese Communist Party get ahead of you? Can you let these bad actors get ahead of you? And now we're in a horrible national security dilemma. And yes, President Trump, as he always does, and this is the way President Trump rolls, President Trump listens to a lot of voices. And he will think it over, and then he'll make a decision.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And clearly, the tech, the broligarchs have, because of their ability to get in there, and also I consider the... inauguration day, like they're on display, like on the deck of the battleship Missouri, and he's MacArthur, and they're the Imperial Japanese staff sending the surrender document, but they're in there. They're inside the wire.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And then Andrew died tragically right before the launch of the Breitbart site. It was his site. He died literally 72 hours before we were about to launch. And was the first really group in back of President Trump. And I said from the beginning, I only gave a year of my life, so I didn't get run out of the White House. And I'm not so sure I was running out of Trump world.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And I don't think Andreessen is like that either. Andreessen came over.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
But they didn't. No, no. But hang on. Hang on. Andreessen and Musk are smart enough to be able to get below the surface on the numbers and see the direction of the country and climb on board as the techno feudalist early on. They are hardcore techno-feudalists. They're not populists. You know, I tease Elon all the time.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
If I could turn him from a techno-feudalist globalist to a populist nationalist, we could make some progress here. He's definitely a techno-feudalist, one of the hardest core. And so is Andreessen. Andreessen, these guys are smart. I mean, Andreessen, these guys, you're talking about genius-level intelligence. These are not dumb people. But... They're not with us when it comes to the little guy.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Listen. Right. The bottom line is they don't.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I don't believe one fucking sentence of that. They don't believe that. They believe in this country because right now it protects them and provides some benefits to them. Remember, We bailed out these fucks on Silicon Valley Bank. Biden bailed them out when they couldn't make payroll. They could make payroll if they put more of their own money in, but they wouldn't.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
They have little guy bail them out in the Silicon Valley Bank. Now, in the last couple of days, what are they talking about? Oh my gosh, we need a Marshall plan. We need a space plan. We need a Mercury plan. We need hundreds of billions of dollars from taxpayers. They want essentially a bailout. If it's a Sputnik moment,
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Somebody's got to ask the question, yo, Andreessen, we made a deal with you guys. Elon, we made a deal with you guys. We made you oligarchs. We made you the richest people in the fucking history of the earth. We stopped any antitrust. This is what pisses me off the most. No antitrust, not breaking these companies up and allowing entrepreneurs to get in there. Right.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Because Marc Andreessen doesn't believe in the entrepreneurial system in the country. No way.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I'm not saying even Andreessen's a bad guy at the heart of it, but they're not, they don't think of the sovereign, you know, they're American as an idea. America's not an idea. It's not.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
It's a country with a border and a group of citizens that's the greatest resource we've ever had, and the apartheid state of Silicon Valley thinks we don't need our greatest resource, which are the American citizens. They'd rather import, basically, indentured servants... to work at third less and have an apartheid state.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I think I've always been very – depends on how you define Trump world. Maybe we get to that later. But been working on populist nationalism for, you know, 20 years. And I'm a hardcore populist. I'm a hardcore nationalist. I'm not a conservative. I think conservatives are pussies. The Republican Party is a bunch of pussies. They're controlled opposition. And –
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And then as soon as they can replace them with digital serfs, they will do it.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Number one, I would be a huge supporter of Lena Kahn remaining, and I would love to see Lena Kahn given more power. And I think we ought to go and break up Silicon Valley because obviously in their scale, they haven't performed very well. Let's be brutally frank.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
If we're to believe TikTok, the power of TikTok, which is evident, self-evident, and if you believe the power or the nascent power of Deep Seek and other things that are being released right now. So I also believe you have to have kind of massive – you cannot – we can't be in a situation where the state underwrites and gives the accumulation of power.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
If the revolutionary generation came back, they would spit on the floor, right? And look, it's complicated. There are no easy solutions. I would love to have... First, I would like to have a quick investigation in exactly how the intelligence community missed this. There's so many questions, and I realize that...
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
People who are humanists or people who are religious and put their religion at the center of their being are going to be really on their back foot now with all the forces of world power against you. And the thing is going to be, you can't be a Luddite. To be a Luddite and to want this to slow down, or like the people in the Fahrenheit, the book, or out in the woods have memorized the book.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
The human element, and the humanist... You don't have that moment because right now we have to strike because you have to compete on a national security basis because this is like Sputnik. It's an arms race. We're in a nuclear arms race.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And I would just tell people, and particularly your readers, who do not agree with me politically on anything, if I can beseech you for one thing is you must start to understand the moment we're in. This is an inflection point not just for this country. This is an inflection point for the world. And President Trump will always listen to the entrepreneurs who have been very successful.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
It's just his default position. And I realize that this is going to be a complicated argument to make, but we're going to have to think this thing through collectively. This is a whole of society decision.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
What I want is a public discussion and debate over the biggest issues of the day, particularly the size and scope of the federal government and how we spend money and where we spend it and who's taxed and who's not taxed. Also, what comes after the post-war international rules-based order,
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Because I think President Trump thinking through hemispheric defense from the Panama Canal to Greenland is genius.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
It's genius. And as being a naval officer, I will tell you, it has so much logic to it. There's so much going on. But give this guy a chance on his basic – on the basic plan that he's got for the safety and security of this country and with asking hard questions, et cetera, and let's get into these deep issues. The deep issues only the credential class can actually help us think through because –
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
We're in a fix right now.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I think you see the culmination of a lot of work we've done, and you see the kind of what I call flood the zone, days of thunder, and it couldn't be better. Couldn't be a better time to be alive in the spring of this great effort.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
His default – look, he's a guy from Queens. I see this.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Yeah, I heard. President Trump, for people who don't know him, and I know for your audience that this is where they may opt out of the podcast.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
But he's actually – An incredible, kind-hearted, empathetic individual he is personally. And I kind of say he's a moderate. You know, I'm a crazy right-wing populist, nationalist. President Trump balances everything. He's a common-sense conservative. He's a common-sense populist nationalist.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
On our movement, the core base of MAGA is hard-welded to Donald Trump because they admire his moral clarity. Because just for your audience... And I put him at the level of Washington and Lincoln in this regard. This is the age of Trump. No person in American history, and go read Jack Kennedy's Profiles in Courage. You can add up the whole book, and it doesn't come close.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Moral clarity, he came back knowing all that was going to happen. It was almost like, I call him the American Cincinnatus, to return. They wanted him to die in federal prison. I can tell you as a guy that went to prison and not a camp, the federal prisons are... very tough places, particularly if you're in your 70s. They're tough places. They're just tough and dangerous.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And then the physical clarity, the physical courage to come back and stand up and say, fight, fight, fight on the assassination attempt made him both gladiator and leader. And so our movement will go where President Trump leads us. And I can disagree on policies and on the margin. And some of these, like on taxes, I really disagree on transhumanism. But at the end of the day,
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
If he says we're going in this direction, I'm going to say, okay, I don't agree with this, and I don't think it's the right direction, but I'm all in. Let's roll. And you just have to be.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Well, I think that I will convince President Trump. President Trump, as you know, is a germaphobe. He's a germaphobe. He's not going to get a chip. He's a germaphobe. You know, when he started shaking hands, it was a big deal. I don't think you're going to get a chip in the brain.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
But so then what you're saying— Okay, so there may be a couple, three, but I don't think—he's definitely not a transhumanist. And— we'll stop that part of it. It's going to be tough. I didn't say these weren't tough conversations, and we're going to have tough moments. Like, for instance, the deportation of all 12 million illegal aliens.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I see already in the Republican Party some people, you know, well, maybe we just get the criminals. Maybe we just get the bad ones. Maybe we do this.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Did I tell you, Ross, at the beginning of this, what pussies the conservatives are? You pussy.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I think that's correct. I think that the globalist elite thought he was dead and he's been resurrected and he resurrected himself. And then he has a movement that has his back. And the fundamental questions about this republic and the sovereignty of it and about the direction of humankind. are all gonna play out in the next four or five years.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
It's gonna be the most intense part, I think, of modern political and really social history. And convincing President Trump, because he is our leader, convincing President Trump of our, and he's a guy that listens to the arguments and he's got tremendous common sense, it's incumbent upon us to be able to make those arguments to him. But he's got his own decision-making.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
President Trump's a very imperfect instrument. He'd be the first to tell you, as I am and you are and Tucker and Elon and everybody. And his imperfections, I think, is just true greatness, that he overcomes that to be one of the most unique leaders in all world history. And we'll just have to see how it plays out. But the populist, the far-right war room...
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
You know, we're going to be fighting hard every day to make sure the voice of we think of our element, our element on the far right of this movement is heard. All right.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Ross, thank you so much. Appreciate you.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And let's just be brutally frank. Let's be. Let's be brutally frank. Have done a horrible job because you haven't had any interest in really understanding what populism is. It's this thing like Trump. It's always going to fade. It's just about Trump. And it's never about kind of the core issues. Where this springs from, right? Where it comes from. Think about it. Trump came down in June of 15.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And for 10 years, there's been no real work done to kind of even begin to understand populism except that the deplorables are kind of like an exotic species like the San Diego Zoo. It's only now. Is anybody's got any interest in really getting behind it? And I'm really appreciative of coming on your show. And of course, we've got to have some combat here. Otherwise, it wouldn't be interesting.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I have tremendous respect, but no one's really lifted a finger. It's very simple. You know, the Tea Party was the president of Trump. Every financial collapse or every financial crisis you've had, I think, worldwide has some sort of reaction to it. The financial crisis and collapse of 2008 brought on by the established order and a little bit the Bush regime, the Bush-Hunter, what I call it.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
The worst, by the way, presidency in the history of our nation, except for James Buchanan.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
Yeah, no, but Franklin Pierce, come on, man, that guy's a wreck. Franklin Pierce did not that much damage that Bush did to the country on so many different levels, in particular the financial crisis, which was not totally his fault, but the Establishment Order.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
and the basic schmendrick underwrote all of that bailout and didn't get a bailout themselves in fact they got blown out of their equity and they blamed it on african americans hispanics that didn't have the income but they blew them all out of the equity of their homes and by the way kept the title to those homes i might add so they could resell it later and it's one of the greatest financial scandals in the history of this country
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
None of the crooks and the criminals that did this were ever held accountable. And when I say crooks and criminals, I mean the top accounting firms, the law firms, the entire establishment, you having been an Ivy Leaguer also, and I went to the trade school at Harvard. None of the elites in this country were ever held accountable for it.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And so that lit a fuse that went off on the 8th of November, the early morning of the 9th of November. of 2016 with President Trump. And it was basically the forgotten man and woman's vengeance. Our platform at the time was fairly ill-defined. I mean, I came in with a bunch of points behind, kind of with the Breitbart philosophy of economic nationalism up in the blue wall.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
No, I've got a very specific take on the oligarchs. I'll share it with you today.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
and the border down in the south in the border states. And I started looking at demographics. People were mocking me. Why? Bannon has never done a campaign. Why does he have Trump in Michigan? Why is him in Wisconsin? Why is him in Pennsylvania? He's not going to win those states. To get it close, he's got to focus on Southern.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And we won all three of them now by a combination of, I think, 70,000 votes. But we won them. And that was really the beginning of or the culmination of the first phase of this kind of populist revolt coming from the Tea Party in 2010, the big, you know, off your election victory, then kind of a throughput.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
You're 1,000% correct. First guess, you're 1,000% correct. Um... Let me give some depth to that for a second. But the Tea Party mainly had the classic limited government conservatives, right? And you see this in kind of what I call the traditional, the grassroots that had really come up from President Reagan's time. But what I saw in there, they couldn't articulate it.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
They were still speaking in their own nomenclature. And I saw this in the 12 campaign in the primary. That kind of, and remember, I recruited, it's a very famous story. I tried to recruit Sarah Palin. I saw Sarah Palin. I said, wow. That's a populist right there. And I spent a year making a film with her and tried to talk her into running as a true populist for the nomination.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
I didn't realize Romney was normally next man up for the Republicans. But there you saw the kind of nomenclature, even calling Republicans and Democrats, what became very obvious to me, given my... HBS training and at Goldman Sachs is that you had kind of a populist more nationalistic flavor on one side and you had a really a globalist more elitist than the others and
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
What happened is that when, and I knew a lot of the donors at that time because Breitbart was getting to be kind of, you know, got some traction and I was starting to meet some of these donors. And they were absolutely convinced, convinced that Romney and Ryan were going to win. And these people were crushed.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
They thought, and I told them early on, I said, Romney, this thing's not going to be close. It'll be a couple of points at least. because they're not connecting and they didn't want any connection to the Tea Party. But I said, there's something brewing out there that's much different. These people's lives are being destroyed. The country's slipping away.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
All the high value manufacturing jobs are going to China. And you saw at the beginning of the H-1B visas and discussions about this were all starting to percolate at that time. And when those guys lost, I realized that, hey, people here really don't get it. And what happened right after that is a guy named Reince Priebus, who I didn't know at the time, was running the RNC.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
They did this thing called the hot wash-up or the— The autopsy. The autopsy. Thank you. That's right. They did the autopsy. They did the autopsy. And I was reading, and I think it was Real Clear Politics. It was a guy named Sean Trendy. And he does this analysis about how the white working class wouldn't support Romney. They didn't reach out to him. And he said, there's a clear path here.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
that you can win by a more of a populist coalition talking about working class things and i said hey guys this guy's nailed it this is it and and they came back to me said no no you miss it it's amnesty it's everything like that and i just took the other side and said no this is the the winning philosophy here and i met with jeff sessions and stephen miller who i was very close to and i said the time i said we got to find a populist i said jeff
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
You know, you're an agrarian populace. I said, we can even start with you to get it out there. And again, he says, no, I'm not the guy, but that guy will arrive. And then I started going to these cattle calls early on where you've got to get the grassroots. And it was May 1st, I think, of 2014. where I went to, I think it was Hanover, New Hampshire, with Breitbart Radio.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And Rand Paul was there, and Lee was there, and Ted Cruz was there, and Newt Gingrich, all of them. And this guy, Donald Trump. And the nomenclature from everybody else was all the same. They may have a different inflection or a different take, but it didn't have any depth to it. It didn't resonate. It didn't grab people viscerally. Trump came up, just starts, I mean, it's like Mort Saul.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
He's just taking the day's headlines and just riffing on it. But in riffing on it and talking about the border and jobs in China, people were leaning for it in their seats. And I called later and told Miller and Sessions and others, I said, this is our guy. I said, if this guy's serious about this, we can do this. This guy is the personification of what we need. He's a hammer. He's a man's man.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
And if he's serious, which at the time, there's a big question. I always thought he was serious. Big, big question. Just doing this to negotiate a better deal for the apprentice. And the people knew him best, like Roger Ailes would tell me, Bennett, you're a fucking moron. This is all, this is a negotiating strategy. You look like an idiot. So that's really, you know, Trump's version of populism.
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Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism
It's both cultural and economic, but it's really a push against a... An established order that's truly globalist in nature has really lost the touch of the American people with the working class and lower middle class in this country, which are the backbone of the country. And that's why I just said, hey, we just got to start focusing on these folks.
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DOGE’s Chaos Strategy, X’s New Valuation, and Guest Co-Host Katie Drummond
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DOGE’s Chaos Strategy, X’s New Valuation, and Guest Co-Host Katie Drummond
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DOGE’s Chaos Strategy, X’s New Valuation, and Guest Co-Host Katie Drummond
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DOGE’s Chaos Strategy, X’s New Valuation, and Guest Co-Host Katie Drummond
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Tech Layoffs, Midlife Investing, and Parenthood in the Age of AI
Well, hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. My wife and I are both early 50s and just haven't been very smart about investing. So we have a big savings account, which we're good savers, but we know it could be doing more for us. And so we're looking forward to, you know, maybe 10 years down the road to retiring, want to be able to travel and
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Tech Layoffs, Midlife Investing, and Parenthood in the Age of AI
And so we're looking for smart investing options that aren't overly risky, but are doing better than the, you know, ridiculously small percentage we get from our savings account.
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Tech Layoffs, Midlife Investing, and Parenthood in the Age of AI
Yeah. And I think when we when we first got into maybe five years ago, we looked at it too closely, you know, so we put some money in Roth or something and it just kind of not tanked, but started losing money right away.
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Tech Layoffs, Midlife Investing, and Parenthood in the Age of AI
Well, it sounds like a good formula. I think we just get tripped up with starting out. So it's just interesting to hear those parameters and the need to get going.
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Tech Layoffs, Midlife Investing, and Parenthood in the Age of AI
Thanks very much. Pleasure to be on.
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Tariff Turmoil, Trump’s Tesla Ad, and Newsom’s Bannon Interview
Forgive me, but what's his end game? I mean, I know, look, he wants to be the first trillionaire in the world. I mean, what's his end game here? Well, you know it. You guys, you created a governor. I mean, you guys- By the way, in many respects, California did. It was our regulatory process and our subsidies to create this market. You're 100% right. I think you're right.
Pod Save America
How the Right Took Over the Media
The opposition party is the media. And the media can only, because they're dumb and they're lazy, they can only focus on one thing at a time. And the one thing they'll mainly focus on is either they do the horse race, or once the horse race, who's in, who's out. It's like the high school, who are the cool kids in the cafeteria, right? Because it's easy.
Pod Save America
How the Right Took Over the Media
It's the reason they do the horse race stuff all the time, right? And they won't do the basic, what are the core things that are going on in the country. I said, all we have to do is flood the zone. Every day we hit them with three things. They'll bite on one and we'll get all of our stuff done. Pang, bang, bang.
Pod Save America
How the Right Took Over the Media
These guys will never, will never be able to recover, but we got to start with muzzle velocity. So it's got to start. It's got a hammer. It's got muzzle velocity.
The Bulwark Podcast
Jon Favreau: Funny and Horrible
The political class is infected with a malignant cancer. That cancer is bipartisanship. Clearly, Johnson's not up to the task, and he's got to go, right? He's got to go. Should Johnson be Speaker of the House?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Can The Left Learn To Podcast? ft. Tim Pool
We have committed that 50% of the classes will be women or people of color. Today, only 19% of our pilots at United Airlines are women or people of color. And by the way, from all the data I've seen, that's the highest of any airline in the country.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Can The Left Learn To Podcast? ft. Tim Pool
That's correct. for every job when we do an interview, we require women and people of color to be involved in the interview process.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Defunding Harvard + NPR + PBS ft. Russ Vought
This is the third meeting I've had with him. This last meeting lasted close to five hours. And it was a compelling meeting. And towards the end, we actually came up with, I'm going to say finally, but what Putin's request is to get to have a permanent peace here. So beyond the ceasefire, we got an answer to that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Gulf of America, Greenland, Mark Zuckerberg, and More
Wow. Well, I think we're making a lot of progress. And I don't want to say too much because I think they're doing a really good job back in Doha. I'm leaving tomorrow back to go to Doha. But I think that we've had some really great progress. And I'm really hopeful that by the inaugural, we'll have some good things to announce on behalf of the president. I actually believe that we're working
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Gulf of America, Greenland, Mark Zuckerberg, and More
in tandem in a really good way, but it's the President, his reputation, the things that he has said that are driving this negotiation. And so, hopefully, it'll all work out and we'll save some lives. The Press I believe we've been on the verge of it. I don't want to discuss sort of what's delayed it. There's no point to be negative in any way.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Gulf of America, Greenland, Mark Zuckerberg, and More
But I think it's the president, his stature, what he said he expects, the red lines he's put out there. That's driving this negotiation. I'm going back probably either this evening or tomorrow night.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Gulf of America, Greenland, Mark Zuckerberg, and More
I know I would I would say they better be right. I would say that. The president is exasperated. I don't want to talk for him. But look, I don't know anyone who delegates better than President Trump. He gives us a lot of authority to speak on his behalf. And he exhorts us to speak emphatically. And emphatically means you better do this because the alternative.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Gulf of America, Greenland, Mark Zuckerberg, and More
No, I think they heard him loud and clear. Better get done by the inaugural.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
If it's it's in direct succession to the presidency, it's number two. Obviously, you can't be a natural. You have to be a natural born citizen to have that. But Mike Davis tells me, hey, you could just skip Elon if anything happened to the president or the VP and we could get on with it. So I think it's what President Trump wants. But I think that that is right now we have to get through this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
And I'm very comfortable with the government shutting down and just waiting to President Trump shows up in January to get this done. It'll be messier, but President Trump can sort out. But the speaker's race happens on the 3rd of January. They come back on the 2nd.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
It's going to be wild. It's going to be very wild. But I got to tell you, it's the breakout session. It's the whole package. So the week before Christmas, get people here. The weekend before Christmas, you've got so many motivated people, 18,000. By the way, War Room can still get it by going to AmFest.com. War Room, you still get your 25%.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
If you're right now messing around, and some of these guys, Cassidy's been terrible. He voted for impeachment. I mean, he's a dead man walking politically anyway. But some of these people that are coming out, and not just that. It's not even coming out and saying, I'm not voting for him.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Leaking after the meetings, like they said on Gates, Gates already committed to not going after Tony Fauci, not going after NBC, not going after Liz Cheney on just regular investigations. The folks up there got to understand. This has got to be a tight-run thing. We're going to get everybody through. All these people deserve it. It's an incredible team.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
For those leaking, you know, eventually there's going to be a lot of primary trials for people in cycles. So the Tom Tillises, you saw Joni Ernst was a perfect example. Folks got to understand, people at home are watching. Although we won this huge victory, we're not a huge celebration crowd like you.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
People are already in now wanting the details of what's going on, and they're already thinking downrange of the primaries in 2026.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
No, it would have gone through. This is the new ecosystem. Look, this is what the change, the mainstream media is now can't throw a punch, right? But even the old classic conservative, just Fox News, everybody trying to get on there, it doesn't work. You know, with all the different venues, when you have Turning Point, your show, your podcast, your radio show, all of it, this audience, they're
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
here's what they're thirsty for inside baseball details and they'll show up and do the work but to do the work they want to feel like they're part of it and they are part of it so the ecosystem on the right and i might add the far right is now driving the conversation this thing was dead in a couple hours and today you're hearing snarky anonymous quotes saying well you know elon musk are these you know the right wingers of charlie kirk and steve bannon they don't get us they don't get to tell us and i just say put your name on that
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Just put your name on that and we'll see how it turns out.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Charlie's good enough to give us the 25% discount on the first day.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
It's harassing. People have to understand the FBI and CIA are in every aspect of our government. That's the deep state controlling the administrative state.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Thank you, guys. I'll see you later. For the War on Policy, I'll be back here this afternoon.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
way through all the way through so folks if you're in the general area california anywhere come on down you're going to have a great for plus there's high energy we need also to take some time to celebrate and to really i'm not a big celebration either but with all the firestorm going on we got to be able we're going to have come together to end this historic year
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
I sat in. I think I sat in for Charlie Kirk's first pitch. When Charlie Kirk came with Turning Point, and I sat in for some pretty big donuts. They asked me to sit in. And Charlie's sitting there pitching. And at the time, you're going to take over student government, student governor, president. And I go, that's about the wackiest idea I've ever heard.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
But the energy this guy had, this young man had, and...
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
make note you weren't even going to college i mean you made a big deal so i had only to do this i you know so and to think of just the arc of where you guys have come because it was elon musk that had it had everybody's back but it was the turning point and you focused on get out the vote with the war room posse in the blue wall pennsylvania michigan uh uh wisconsin but you focused on arizona and pennsylvania and look at that you're making those two the uh you're making pennsylvania
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
You have to remember, go back to 2020. What was it, 10.30 at night or 8.30 out here when Fox called it? I mean, that changed the entire dynamic. And we had to get back to that. But I'll be honest with you. I didn't think. I said, look, if Charlie and these guys can get us back with a two, two and a half point, three point win. Five and a half. Five and a half.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
And you guys did such a job. A little bit Nevada, I think, drafted off that. That's why Nevada, I thought, was going to be 1%.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
It's his first really calm and serious address. Yes, yes, yes.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
That's when the media actually realized, hey, at first they thought it was Trump coming down and he was really – because people were telling me, particularly Ailes and the guys at Senior Fox, they go, look, he's just trying to negotiate a better deal with The Apprentice. This is Trump, the master negotiator. And I go, I don't know about that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
It was here in Phoenix in this very building when people all of a sudden go – There's over 2,000 people.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Now, this will also be the first one that the first MAGA rally, really, when he's not an active candidate, unless we get into the 2028, but we'll do that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
OK, first off, it's weapons grade trolling. OK, no, but here's the thing. I was out there the other night, and you're an hour and a half. You see, don't get this at AmFest, New York Young Republicans. At AmFest, Charlie runs it. It's high precision. When it says you're going up, maybe a few minutes because of applause or that, but you're going up.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
In New York, Gavin Waxer, I love you guys, but I'm an hour and a half late going to the stage, and it's 2,000 people, and they've been drinking since 6 o'clock in the afternoon. It feels like a 747 engine you're hitting. So I had a speech about the bond market and everything President Trump had to do, the things that are engulfing Washington, D.C. today.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
But I had to kind of throw that out and start throwing bombs. But I think it's an open question. It has to be an interpretation. It's just like Elon Musk. People are saying Elon Musk should be Speaker of the House. There's no requirement for anybody to be in Congress. Elon, now there is a question about natural born citizen because you're number two in succession.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Mike Davis says, hey, you just go. Maybe you go to present pro temp. So that has to be worked out. It's not locked in because it doesn't say consecutive about. I think it's an open question. And of course, you see their entire meltdown. Just I had 100 articles about that. All the other.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
But to consecutive terms, it's ill-defined, right? It's still ill-defined. You could have consecutive. It's open for interpretation.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
As you know, the Warren posse and the Charlie Kirk show, we don't like CRs. We'd like to have 12 appropriations bills, get it done. This is where McCarthy's gone. Johnson, this should have been a layup. This should have been a two-line CR to kick into President Trump's term. We would agree to that. Or you add, you know, a $10 billion for the farmers, some money for the FEMA, and you get on with it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Johnson didn't tell Elon, didn't tell Vivek, didn't tell President Trump. He went to the UFC. He went to the Army-Navy game. Never told him 1,500 pages, all Democrat. It's not acceptable. They're up there thinking something else. And look, folks, it's going to be a little messy because of what the country's in. You've got wars in Ukraine, wars in the Middle East, deportations on the border.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
We're going to try to get this to be a close-run thing. We're going to help here at AmFest over the next couple of days of the breakout session, get everybody up to speed. I have more to say about this labor right now. President Trump's throwing in the debt ceiling. That's a little gasoline on the fire.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
But what can we tolerate? I'd like just to shut it down.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Well, I think the most we could tolerate is some money for the farmers, a couple of billion dollars for the farmer to bridge him into President Trump, a couple of billion dollars for whatever FEMA needs to do now if there's not money there, and then sign it and kick it into President Trump's, and then next Congress.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
A hundred percent. It's not even a question. Look, Johnson, and I got a lot of grief early yesterday morning behind the scenes because people told me, oh, President Trump loves Johnson. President Trump's got Johnson's back. Don't do this. I said, hey, as soon as he sees the performance, I know Trump. Trump's about performance. This thing's a fiasco. Here's what upsets me. He was with
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Vivek and Elon, who have been doing a ton of work. They came to Capitol Hill. They made a presentation. He was with them then. He was with them at the UFC fight. This is Johnson. He went to the Army-Navy game with President Trump and Vivek and Elon. So these are three or four times he's there. Nobody had any idea it was a 1,500-page document that was highly negotiated.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
And the giveaways to the Democrats, I mean, obviously, Hakeem Jeffries got two-thirds to 75%.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
In secret over at least the last six weeks. And he lied about it. He came on Fox and said, hey, you know, it was a simple bill, one page until some, you know, acts of God happened with the hurricane and about the farmers. That's just not true. If you just look at he had every opportunity, including at midnight on the first day they released it in the evening at midnight.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
He tells Fox he was on the phone with Vivek and Elon. He didn't even walk him through it. He made all kind of excuses. Then as they spent overnight, Elon was up at four o'clock in the morning or four thirty dropping bombs on this thing as he went through this and said, so look. We have to have somebody that has leadership and courage and can be straightforward.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
President Trump, this next, and this is why I gave this, tried to give the speech on Sunday night about the bond market. If you look at the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East, if you look at the deportations, the border, everything has happened there. Those two lines, the one in the middle.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Hey, can we give it up for Charlie Kirk, what he's done here at AmFest? What amazing, Charlie, what size crowd are we anticipating here?
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
to get the economy right, to get this debt right, to get all the cuts he wants to make, to get Doge's thing. That is so complicated. You have to line up and go down with OMB, the Secretary of Treasury, the National Economic Council.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
The Speaker has to be, and his team have to be hardwired into that, because as the Constitution tells us, all taxes, by the way, the taxes, all taxes, revenue generation comes from the House, and all spending comes from the House, and only the House. This is why the Speaker, Johnson's just not up to his task. This is not personal. He's just not up to the task.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
And you see this thing about Liz Cheney and Loudermilk sending this criminal referral to FBI. That committee should have been dealt with by the House. A year ago or a year and a half ago, we should have done the whole J6. On anything you can look at, it just hasn't been good enough. We need the best team there. And people are saying Elon Musk.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Hey, I'm comfortable with anybody that the Congress and President Trump supports. If it's Elon Musk, it's Elon Musk. If it's Jim Jordan, it's Jim Jordan. Whoever it's got to be, it's got to be. We just got to get on with it and make sure that we're tight.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
No, it's ridiculous. A CR should either be two lines or the alternative would be two lines. You add a couple of billion dollars for the farmers just to bridge them and a couple of billion dollars for FEMA and then a two-year, if President Trump wants a two-year runway on the debt ceiling, you give him two years.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
No, we had three or four months of this in September.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
This could, but I think right now they've pulled it. The bad CR they pulled, yes.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
I mean, Johnson, Jim Jordan. Or Elon Musk. I agree with you. Look, the president got shot in the head and four months later won a landslide victory, a sweeping victory. Held the House, took the Senate, took the White House. To me, he gets the team. That's why I'm very upset that Gates... step down. But you got Hegseth, the rest of his team, we have to have their back.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
The war on posse has done an amazing job of fix band as your show has to every day, having their back, making sure that that he gets the team. I also think on the speaker, it's however President Trump thinks. He was a Johnson guy, but it's about performance. And what he had not seen that early in the morning was what a fiasco this was. I knew he'd sit there and go, hey.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Now, he has said if Johnson mans up, right, and show some leadership, show some discipline, which heretofore we haven't seen. President Trump, I have his back up. That's what President Trump said. Obviously, the war room will go with it and have his back. We will give him our unesparated opinion about what we think and who we think. I think Jim Jordan would be terrific.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
If Elon Musk, if the president wants Elon Musk, let's try it and see what the constitutional scholars say. Because, you know, the Speaker of the House. Is I think much more obviously much more powerful than the Senate pro tem and much more powerful than the vice president. It is the number two most powerful. Nancy Pelosi showed you this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
Man, it is so great to be with you. I enjoyed that so much. I think it was an absolute triumph, I got to tell you. Can I just tell you, I want to set this up the right way. Please. When I watched the whole thing, what came to my mind was this performance by Margaret Thatcher
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
Prime Minister's Questions, go with me on this, where she absolutely eviscerated the then leader of the opposition in the House of Commons, you know that when they're jousting with each other. And there's this phrase that she used that is what came to my mind when I was watching you with Gavin Newsom.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
And she was calling this Labour politician, he was weak, but she did it in this incredible Margaret Thatcher way. And she went, weak, weak, Feeble, like that, incredibly powerful. And that's what I thought of Gavin Newsom. You totally dominated him. And he just came across to me as just utterly weak, weak, feeble, pathetic. It was a total revelation.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
Well, that's exactly right. I mean, you completely dominated him, both with your arguments and also physically. I mean, just watching it. People have to watch it, not just listen to it. You had dominated him. And I think that the... The story here is that he is trying... I mean, look, he's a machine politician. He'll say whatever is politically expedient. I know him personally.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
We have friends in common. I've always been clear about that. And fundamentally... I don't think that he is a left-wing ideologue. I think that he is a machine politician who will say whatever it takes to get on.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
And in the last few years, that has meant pandering to the people who really have the power in the Democratic Party these days, which is the far-left activists and the unions and the government unions. And they're basically the same people now because the unions are run by the far-left activists. So he's gone along with it. But now he realizes that he's got a different audience.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
He's not running in California anymore. This is all about his next move, which has been well telegraphed for years, is running for president. He wants to run for president. And he knows that the same old shtick that he's been getting away with in California won't work on the national level. So I think he's trying to signal that he can get... He's the kind of candidate... that can win nationally.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
I think that's what he's trying to show. The audience he has in mind, I think, are Democrat primary voters in the states that will determine who is the nominee for the party in 2028. And I think the message he's trying to send is, pick me because I'm a winner, because I can actually operate not just in blue states, but in red states, and I can get along with all sorts of people.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
Well, first of all, I'm glad you brought that up because, funnily enough, just like you with Illinois, I'm kind of itching to go on this podcast. And when my book comes out, Califalia, I really, you know, I think we're trying. We'll see if he takes up the offer. Califalia, reversing the ruin of America's worst-run state. And who's been running it the last six years? Gavin Newsom.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
So somehow I don't think he wants to, he doesn't want to engage in that argument. We'll see. But you're exactly right. He just, he has these talking points and... We can call it gaslighting and we can call it spin and so on, but it's not. It really is. Well, it's more than that. It's certainly that. Let's just take that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
On the transgender issue and the one that really made all the headlines, which was when he was agreeing with you on the unfairness of biological men and girls sports. Okay, fine. But what are you going to do about it? I mean, you've been the governor for six years while that's the law in California. What have you ever done to challenge it? Nothing. What are you doing now to challenge it? Nothing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
So you could say that is gaslighting and he's trying to convey a position without actually doing anything about it. But on other issues, it's actually just lying, just straight up lying. I mean, not with you, but I just saw with another one of these that he did, he's trying to make out that taxes are somehow lower in California than in Florida by some ridiculous statistical sleight of hand.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
It's total BS. And on any measure, we have the highest taxes in the country. We have the highest income taxes, the highest tax burden on income, you know, on and on. So the truth is that on almost every meaningful measure, California is literally 50th out of 50 states. And if we're not 50th, we're 49th. So I'll give you an example. So for much of last year, He goes on about the great economy.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
For much of last year, 2024, we had the highest unemployment rate in America. Now we're the second highest. There's one state that's worse. And so he can brag all he likes about being the fifth biggest economy. The numbers just aren't there. We have the highest rate of poverty in the country. On and on, you know, the highest housing costs, the lowest home ownership.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
And actually, he does have these ways of wriggling it out of it. I noticed, for example... In his debate with Ron DeSantis, where Ron DeSantis brought up all the exodus of people leaving and so on, Gavin Newsom threw something at him about people going from Florida to California. And when I dug into that, it turned out that that was military transfers.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
nothing to do with people choosing to move to California. So it's total BS. The record is completely appalling on every single issue. And it's true to say that California remains the fifth biggest economy in the world. But in a way, isn't it even more shaming then that we have the worst homelessness crisis, the highest poverty rate? It's totally shameful. And the reason, by the way, that we have
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
So, Steve, what's the truth here? It's just a total lie. I mean, I'm just looking it up now because there's, you know, WalletHub published all the data. So he's completely lying. We have the highest tax burden. I'm just reading now from WalletHub.com.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
California has the highest individual income tax burden, while seven states, including Texas, Florida and Washington, have the lowest, including Florida, have the lowest tax. I mean, it's just there's so many different measures. If you look at individual income tax burden, the highest in the country is California.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
If you look at overall tax burden, that's taking everything together, sales tax, everything else, California is number five. and Florida on overall tax burden. Where am I getting to the bottom? We've got to go all the way down to number 47, right? So it's just a total lie. There's no truth to it whatsoever.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
And he's got this incredibly narrow, detailed kind of total BS statistic that where he Gavin Hughes, and he said it in this in the longer clip where he says, well, the people who in California. Working people in California, in Florida, pay the same taxes as the very rich in California. The way he's calculating that is comparing income taxes in California on
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
on the very rich with combining all the sales taxes, property taxes and everything else on working class people in California, in Florida. And the fact is that people on lower income spend more of their income on things that attract sales tax than on as a proportion of their income than the very wealthy. So it's just total. The Wall Street Journal ripped that apart when he first said it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
with Ron DeSantis in the debate. But he keeps saying these things because he just kind of bulldozes through and he says it with his total confidence and kind of asserts it as if it's the truth. It's more than gaslighting. It's lying. We have the highest income tax burden in in the country, the highest income tax rates, on corporate tax. I mean, you name it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
It's just a disaster, which is, by the way, why do you think people are leaving? Why is anyone leaving such a beautiful state as California? Why are businesses leaving?
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
Well, the number one thing is that the executive branch means the absolute nightmare of bureaucratic agencies. Let's call it the administrative state, the swamp in Sacramento, which actually worse than what we have in Washington, because you've had one party rule for so long. You haven't had any kind of input from an opposing ideological point of view. And so you control all that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
I'll give you a specific example. The governor appoints all the members of the State Board of Education. It's the State Board of Education that sets the curriculum for the public schools. The governor appoints members on the California Air Resources Board. Not all of them, but enough to make a difference.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
The Air Resources Board is what's pushing through the climate extremism, banning gas cars, banning gas stoves, banning gas heaters and boilers and all the rest of the insanity that is raising costs for everyone.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
If you look at the fantastic agriculture industry being completely destroyed by deliberate policy, you appoint the people as governor to the Water Resources Control Board and all those agencies. You can make a pretty much an overnight change because it's these agencies
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
that are implementing and far exceeding what's even, it's just the same pathology as you have in Washington, where the legislature, in the case of DC, it's the Congress, passes legislation that's kind of vague. And then the agencies, the bureaucrats, overzealously interpret that, push their own agenda and make it 10 times worse. It's the same pathology in California at the state level.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
And you can reverse it just in the same way. I mean, a simple way of thinking about it is Doge, California. That would make such a difference. And you could start to affect housing costs because the reason housing costs are the highest in the country is because of the overregulation.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
Every year they change the building codes, endless new climate things they add on that make it incredibly expensive. I mean, the median house price is now a million dollars in California. It's ridiculous. So that's where you start, right? With the bureaucracy that you directly control. Now, the second point is vetoing legislation. So this year already, it's unbelievable.
The Charlie Kirk Show
California or Canada: What's Worse?
The number of bills that have been submitted by members of the legislature, 2,000 plus bills. You can veto them. They can override it because they've got to sue 2,000 majority.
The Charlie Kirk Show
LA’s Lesbian Firefighters To the Rescue!
Charlie, you're totally right. I just want to, I'm sorry, I'm running around today. I'm here in LA. It's kind of chaotic. I wanted to be with you earlier, but I was listening to what you're saying and you're completely right. This is what you get when Democrats get everything that they want. That's what's happened in California. For more than a decade, they've had complete control.
The Charlie Kirk Show
LA’s Lesbian Firefighters To the Rescue!
And every single aspect of this crisis, the problems that The long term problems caused by this terrible combination of incompetence and ideological extremism. So exactly as you've been laying out on the water situation, we can have all the water we need in California. My policy organization, Golden Together, we've been putting out policy reports month after month.
The Charlie Kirk Show
LA’s Lesbian Firefighters To the Rescue!
One of them called water abundance, but they haven't done it. We could be keeping the forest, not just in the Sierras and where all the mountains are. And that point's been made that this is not a forest. This is L.A. This is a city. Yeah, but it's the same principle. The chaparral, the conditions on those hillsides, they've been prevented.
The Charlie Kirk Show
LA’s Lesbian Firefighters To the Rescue!
I know people personally who've tried to clear the brush on their property and have been prevented by officials and bureaucrats. Unbelievable. captured by this ideological extremism. And here's another point that people aren't talking about enough, Charlie, the short-term point, the devastating fear that people have because of the insurance crisis.
The Charlie Kirk Show
LA’s Lesbian Firefighters To the Rescue!
So people have been saying, well, the insurance companies have pulled out of California. All these people aren't insured. What are they going to do? Yeah, but why have they pulled out? That also is the result of Democrat policy. Why? Because it costs so much to build anything here. Because of the environmental regulations, the labor regulations. So rebuilding costs are so high.
The Charlie Kirk Show
LA’s Lesbian Firefighters To the Rescue!
That's why insurance companies have pulled out. And on top of that, they have artificially capped the rates that insurers can charge. That's Democrat policy as well. So every single aspect of this. And you know, one last point, right? They say Gavin Newsom, you saw him waving his arms around and saying, you can't politicize this. Well, hang on a second. What do they do?
The Charlie Kirk Show
LA’s Lesbian Firefighters To the Rescue!
They're second that there's one of these dreadful mass shootings. They are right in there before the bodies are even buried, blaming Republicans, demanding policy change. So we're not going to take any of this crap from them. This is exactly the right time to point out that their failures have made this crisis immeasurably worse for millions of people.
The Charlie Kirk Show
LA’s Lesbian Firefighters To the Rescue!
Well, it has to be, Charlie, because we have to have change in California. Anyone who didn't realize that before this surely must now realize this. And it's interesting to me that people are not holding back. They're not saying, well, let's talk about all this after the event. There's so much anger here because these points have been made for years now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
LA’s Lesbian Firefighters To the Rescue!
This is not some new discovery that we need to manage our forest better or that we need to capture the abundant water we have. and collect it and store it and get it to where it's needed. None of this is new. We've been going on about it for years.
The Charlie Kirk Show
LA’s Lesbian Firefighters To the Rescue!
And so this is a wake-up moment because we've got to make sure nothing like this happens again and put in place the common sense policies that will build up our infrastructure, prepare us for natural disasters. Look, disasters happen everywhere, but in places that are badly run, Steve.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
We've got a million dead or wounded Ukrainians and 700,000 dead or wounded Russians. everything they have done is try to destroy this country, and that is the power of Trump's story. This is what I would tell people. It's not going to be Ron DeSantis. It's not going to be Nikki Haley. This country has a narrative. This is the new Jerusalem, and we have a path in front of us.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Trump is a very imperfect guy. His imperfection makes it a more powerful story, that he is imbued by divine providence to lead a movement to save this country, and that's it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Yeah, Steve, some people in the room may or may not know that you were in prison. Could you tell us a little bit about your experience there?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Thank you. It's a great question. I'm very proud I was a political prisoner. Nancy Pelosi thought she was going to break me. I came out empowered and she's broken. It was a very dangerous place. But there are many, many good people. And I tell you, I saw Trump's victory there. That's the only time I put something out was on, I think, August 26th. It said victories at hand.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
The politics of joy was a lie. The prisoners in there, the Hispanics and African-Americans hate the Democratic Party. And they hated Kamala Harris and they hated Joe Biden. And about 60 percent voted or their families voted for Trump. But the other 40 percent wouldn't vote. Right there. The Hispanics and African Americans, right, that is the basis of our 1932 realignment, and I saw it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
It's not about me. It's not about what happened in prison, but I got to tell you, they empowered me in no way, and she's broken, right? Not the hip. That's unfortunate. I mean, no, politically. Politically, she's been shattered, and we're stronger than ever, but thanks for the question.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Amen. Day one.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
So – I was not in a camp. I was in a federal prison, okay? And we had a lot of J6 folks there. What they did to those people in D.C., and this is why the investigations have to take place, the people that tormented and tortured them in D.C. prison, war crimes. They have to be tried, they have to be investigated, and they're going to go to prison. All the way up to Matthew Gray.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
It's the last four years. President Trump leaves after having the 2020 election stolen. Pretty obvious. Goes to Mar-a-Lago. The political class totally abandons him. You know, there's a handful of people that have his back. He starts coming back. He makes a decision, the most courageous decision in the history of American politics, because he knew what was going to be in front of him.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
We're never going to stop on that. What happened to those individuals is unacceptable. We can never let it happen again.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
It's worse now. First off, executive privilege was just one. Depending on my lawyer for advice who told me I followed everything he told me that. But the most important was the illegitimacy of the committee. Yeah, that's remember the committee. It was illegally banks and Jordan were let go.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
And so for the first time, a major select committee did not have a ranking member and did not have minority council. Remember, you didn't get the evidence, and you couldn't cross-examine the witnesses. This is about Cassie Hutchinson and all of it. It was a total sham. And now Benny Thompson on national TV is saying he would take a pardon if given to him.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Cheney, Loudermilk, and this is my problem with both McCarthy and Johnson. They've had years to sit there and get rid of all the... Just take the committee and throw it out and start over again. And we have to have a real investigation of the 2020... And by the way... The more we're transparent, the better. We know we have the facts. Make it totally transparent.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
On the 2020 election, on J6, the day, and what they didn't do in the Fed's erection part of it. July 13th. July 13th. All of it. All the events. On day one, President Trump should declassify about five million pages of classified information. They use the classified information.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Look, I had above a top-secret clearance when I was 20-some years old coming back as a naval officer in my destroyer and then coming back to the Pentagon. And then I had a high-security clearance. I think 99% of it is to keep the information from you. Trust me. They don't want the people actually be part of the decision-making process.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
And I can tell you in the last eight years with President Trump and this populist movement, you guys make pretty good decisions. If you gave me the choice to be governed by the top 100 partners at Goldman Sachs or Cravath or Sullivan and Cromwell, McKinsey or Bruce Allen, and the first 100 people that walked in this room, I'd take you 100 every day. Right? No. No.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
More humanity, more empathy, more understanding life, more common sense, more knowledge, more drive. It's obvious. This is what the country's so successful. It's not them. It's you. And they want to hold that back, that committee. And we can never allow this to happen again. But I got to tell you, you see, now they're not just talking preemptive blanket pardons. Think about that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Preemptive blanket pardons. Norm Eisen is on TV last night talking about blanket amnesty. They are scared to death. And we owe it to this republic, to every patriot's grave, all the way back to the founding of this republic, the new Jerusalem, to hunt it down to the ends of the earth and bring them to justice.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
He knew that they were going to— you know, try to bankrupt his company and destroy his family and eventually indict him. And so it was this courageous moral courage to come back, and that was in 2021. The precinct strategies. Scott Pressler trying to – going out and changing the architecture of these states, of the electorate, whether it was Arizona or Pennsylvania. And people going door to door.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Oh, he's going to get tossed out. He's going to get tossed out. The populace is going to win. First off, the letter from Freeland was brutal. And she's no day at the beach, right? She's very cunning. But her letter, she said, you're not taking seriously President Trump's aggressive economic nationalism. And you're not keeping our powder dry. The deficits are too big. This current budget.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
She said, I'm out. I mean, she's trying to take his job. I think he's cooked. He is... He shows you what Hillary Clinton would have done to this country, right? That's the type of globalist party of Davos he is.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
A hand grenade with a bad haircut. He was the first, really, on the national stage fire-breathing popular, I guess, since Huey Long or William Jennings Bryan or Andrew Jackson. Yeah, not as good as great again. Almost, I got that close. One more final question here.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
This is what populism is. It doesn't need – you don't need tons of money. You don't need any one or two leaders. It comes from the people itself. It's a sovereign will of the people. And you saw your energy and your focus and your determination took the 2022 election. President Trump then announced right afterwards. Look at what happened a year ago.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Well, saying he's not churchy, I think he has a very spiritual side to him. I mean, Donald Trump's got a big heart. He's a very kind individual.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Right. A lot of what you see is kind of, you know, kind of the negotiating bravado. He's a he's a very he's actually and I think he's gotten more spiritual since the assassination attempt. You've seen a very different time. Look, I'm a huge fan of Modi's. Right. So I think we've got a we've got a, you know, President Trump will look into it. But it's horrible what's going on over there.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
But, you know, Modi is the best. He's the best nationalist in the world. What he's done in India is second to none.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Well, I think all of these, and particularly Arizona, the whole situation in 2020, you have to have a full and deep investigation, and also with the voting. You just have to. But it has to be completely transparent, and it has to be completely transparent. If a commission's set up or if it's in the House or whatever, you have to make sure that the American people can see this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
It must be fully transparent. I happen to believe there's so much there because, listen— What Turning Point did in Arizona is historic. I mean, we turned it around. So five and a half point win.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
It's three parts to how you get there. Number one is the Scott Presser or the mentality to go change the composition of the electorate by doing voter registration, sitting in those parking lots and 105 degrees and doing it. That's grinding it out.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
The other part is the canvassing and getting out the vote and making sure you have the phone banks, you have all of it, that huge logistics ground and volunteers that do it over and over and over again. And the last part is training up the election integrity. So you're sitting at the table and they can't steal it like they tried to steal it before. Those three elements came together.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
I will tell you that 2020, Donald John Trump won Arizona. It's absolutely no doubt. And Carrie Lake is the legitimate governor of Arizona. No doubt. No doubt. So, Colonel, I think we have to be methodical about this. I think we have to go about it so it's purely transparent and everybody, the community buys in so we say it can never, ever happen again.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
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The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Look where we were a year ago at this conference. Remember, all the primaries had not come. The general election had not come. And look at the energy and enthusiasm that Turning Point had. And look at the work that Turning Point did, particularly in Arizona and in Pennsylvania. You guys deserve. the vanguard of a revolutionary movement, just like in 1775. And victory begets victory.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Charlie Kirk's running the White House folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
You just supported an individual that has had the greatest political comeback in the history of the world. That was you. If you guys had faltered, if you guys had quit, if you guys had just said, I don't know if we can do this, it was your agency and a collective, the sovereign will of the people. That's why it trumps back. And what you saw here in the last 72 hours is just more of the D.C. same.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
It's the same bipartisanship kind of old Republican Party thinking. Is that clear? No, it's very clear.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Think about this thing with Johnson. Having turfed out McCarthy because of the spending, and he's hanging with Vivek. He's hanging with Elon Musk. He's hanging with the president. Every time I look, whether it's a UFC fight or the box at the Army-Navy game or every time, he's hanging around, right? Yeah. And he, out of nowhere, there's supposed to be a CR. There's supposed to be two lines.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Because remember, always remember, the CR itself is just continual spending from the old budget. It's about 500.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
We don't support. In principle.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
We hate them all. The only reason this is necessary is because this kicks it into President Trump's administration. This is where he's got Russ Vought at OMB. This is where he has the House, the Senate, the executive branch, his team's back, Scott Besson, Russ Vought, Peter Navarro. He gives President Trump a chance to craft the current fiscal year we're in. And what happens?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
This should be a two-line thing. And if the farmer's bill's late, you need a couple of billion, you need $10 billion for the farmers or $20 billion. The FEMA, there should be offsets. It's simple to do the offsets. There's offsets in there. You can do offsets for the FEMA money. And quite frankly, find out why FEMA hasn't given the cash they have, right? You have to drill down.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
What does he give us? Fifteen hundred pages that's negotiated from weeks and weeks and weeks. And it's a King Jeffries. There's so many. It's a it's a Democrat bill. Two thirds. And it lays another, I don't know, 300 billion dollars of spending. So then you have a trillion dollars, essentially 800 billion to a trillion dollars for this one quarter. It's just it's this madness.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
And they insult your intelligence by not telling anybody, just dropping it on people. It's so complicated. And you just read from the bio labs to the pandemic, to the
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Biolabs and the Global Engagement Center that went out of their way to shut us all down. They're funding that. If you go through this – and they have provisions there. You can't do investigations. It's a mess, and it was highly negotiated, and they hit it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
And it has a pay raise. That has a pay raise. We just won. We just won by bringing African-Americans, Hispanics, white working class in this bill in this coalition. It's like 1932.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
And these people, the lived experience, they're not buying the happy talk of mainstream media that the economy is doing great because it's doing great for the top one percent for the oligarchs because of federal spending. And here you give a pay raise from one hundred seventy three thousand bucks, 74 percent. And not just that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
If they had put it up front on the cover and said, look, people, you know, have been haven't had a pay raise in 10 years. They can't support their families. And by the way, we know the guy got shot in the back and they're seething anger among people about this insurance. But we want to opt out of Obamacare, although we voted it for you guys. Right. If they had put that up front.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
If they put it up front and not hit it on page 900 of the bill, it'd be different. You'd say no, but at least you wouldn't try to hide things. This shows you it's not just Johnson. Clearly, he must be removed, but it's not him. It's deeper than that. This is the mindset of the political class. This is how they think. And they think you always have to compromise. You always go with supplicants.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
You weren't supplicants when you walked these, when you canvassed these neighborhoods. You weren't supplicants when Pressler went out and changed the architecture of the voting population of Pennsylvania. You weren't supplicants when you had Trump's back in Georgia, in New York City, in Florida, when you were standing outside protesting when he was hauled before these fake judges.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
We haven't been supplicants in four years. Why would we do it when we win? We don't have to. We just have to be on offense.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
That's what I'm saying. It's a malignant cancer. It's this mindset. And then they also don't understand the new ecosystem of media. First off— You people thrive for information. That's what you're doing. So this is why you're doing Charlie Kirk. Look, the war room is not an easy watch. We don't do a crack a lot of jokes or have it's not. We're not chasing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
You know, we don't chase the shiny toys that people want to want to know.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
It's tough. And Charlie Kirk, not a lot of laughs. No. But why do you... Listen, you're a cadre. These shows are not for a mass audience. We will never be the biggest show. Charlie will never be the biggest show. We'll see. You're a... You're... I want to do sponsorships for Charlie, so I'll knock down things. We'll see.
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Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
No. It's a great point.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
If you look at any revolutionary movement, if you look at the revolution, our American revolution, you have cadres, small groups of people that form together. They get information. This was the committees of correspondence. This was the subtext of the revolution. This is what led to the Continental Congress.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
This is what led the Continental Congress to say, hey, look, we've actually got to declare independence. We can't work with the House of Commons anymore. That is what you are. Please remember your place in history when the history of this age is written. They will not remember Elon Musk. They will not remember Tucker Carlson. They're not going to remember Charlie Kirk or Steve Bannon.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
It's going to be the age of Trump, and they're going to remember the MAGA movement. They're going to say a movement came up from the 2008 financial crisis. It took decades to build, but eventually it took over the politics of the country, of the American republic, and saved the American republic. That's what you guys are. And you just had a historic win. You don't need to sit there.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
When Johnson sends you 1,500 pages, you go, no, we're not going to do this. We're not going to play these games. We're not going to do this anymore. The country's heading towards bankruptcy. We have to have Trump's back getting him here. So right now, I say, shut it down.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Okay. Okay. And this is the reason the mainstream media is meaningless now. Because if you watch the 6 o'clock broadcast news, it's so stupid, right? Quite frankly, even if you watch MSNBC and CNN, it's so ridiculous. Not just biased, stupid. Fox is Fox, right?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
If you look at the podcast, if you look at the Twitter, these different social media platforms, all the information, the force multiplier, the hardest job I have every day and the producers of my show is to keep ahead of you. To make sure that, hey, they've heard this. They know this, right? What are we going to tell them? Driving. Driving. What information are we going to have that's new to them?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
How do we make sure that we're always at the cutting edge? And that is the compliment to you. This is what populism is. Your agency is driving this. Not any, at least think about it for a second. Let's go back to 2021. Look at all, go to Fox, go to MSNBC, go to CNN. Just read the papers, Washington Post, every pundit. Trump is finished. Trump is dead. MAGA's finished. MAGA's dead.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Over and over and over again. It was their mantra. You just won the biggest election and comeback in American history. The pundits were wrong and you were right. I want you to understand that. You were right politically, right? You were right as political scientists. You don't have to have a PhD from the University of Chicago. That is you and you and you. You did this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Thanks for having me.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
There's nothing that can stop what you want to accomplish for this country. And that's why they got to still try to destroy Trump. And that's quite frankly where they still have to destroy this movement.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
I saw 16 when I got to the when there's 14 points down. They called me in August 13th because I was running Breitbart and I had a conversation with President Trump. He's like 12 or 14 points down with the Muslim family, with the Constitution. That's right. Khan Khan and the thing spinning out of control. And I said, hey, 100, because he says, how are we going to turn this around?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Because Ryan's about to cut us loose. Mitch McConnell's about to cut us loose. I said 100 percent metaphysical certitude. You will win. Right. We just got to focus on these couple of issues and we have to go to the blue wall. And he said, what? I said, we got to go to Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
We're going to pierce the blue wall because the lived experience of the American people is terrible right now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Was there something in your life that made you see it? Well, I come from a blue collar family, right? I come from a working class, you know, Democrat family. Quite frankly, we were all Democrats until the Vietnam War and then President Reagan. But it's simple to say you just see the lived experience of how people live. You just see that you can understand the math of the economics.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
The American people, we've hollowed out the greatest country in the world. We were a manufacturing superpower with high value added jobs that an individual like my dad could be a foreman for the phone company and have a stay at home mom that raised the kids and have five kids that all went to Catholic school and then all went to college. Right. That's not you can't do that today. It's impossible.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Why can't you do that? Well, they tell you they give you all this stuff. And I said, this is not the second law of thermodynamics. This is not some inevitable law. It's not the physical property of the universe. It's because people make conscious decisions to ship the jobs overseas because they made money with having the Lao Baixing, the Chinese slave labor, do the jobs. It can all be reversed.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
You just have to have policies to reverse it. And President Trump, that's why—look, President Trump is not a particularly churchy individual, okay? He's not. He's not. But he is an instrument of divine providence, okay? I've seen it up close. No, I saw it in 16. In 16, we had no money. We had a plane. We had a man. We had a message in about 10 of us, right?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
Well, we're in the ascended stage, but you're going to hit speed bumps like today. I mean, this is absolutely humiliating, not for us, but for the standard way that Washington, D.C., thinks, right? I mean, today we saw conventional thinking. We saw this bipartisanship, that it's a malignant cancer inside our body. Politics has to be cut out. And look over the last—it's not just the last year.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
And he defeated Hillary Clinton, the Clinton mafia, particularly in Michigan, Wisconsin. And here's why. The first thing we did on the campaign, I took it over. I said, we're going to go to Flint, Michigan. And he goes, that's a democratic city. I go, exactly where are we going to go? You can go to Flint. She can't. Then he went to Mexico and met the president because you can go to Mexico.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
She can't. You could go to places that people all of a sudden see. And remember, they hated him so much, they tried to destroy him right from the beginning, from the very first second that we won. In 2020, it is obvious from the mathematics that he won the 2020 election. It was stolen, right? Yeah. But that was providential.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
In this arc of this story, in the arc of this story, they had to steal it. Because we had to see, and more Americans had to see how radical they are, how they are neo-Marxists, how they would destroy this country. Now they're all coming out with the stories. about the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal in the last 48 hours, how Biden was never really present.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024
They had to cover up in the National Security Council everything we've been saying for the last four years they now admit is true, right? And they never invoked the 25th Amendment. They allowed 15 million invaders into our country. They got us involved in all these forever wars all over. They shipped a quarter of a trillion dollars to Ukraine that we still don't understand why.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
Thank you, Matt. It's so great to be with you. We are on the road fighting to save California. We're just driving from San Francisco, where we were yesterday, dealing with all those horrendous issues, the complete collapse of civilization that you see on the streets of San Francisco. San Francisco. We're now out on the road to Fresno in the Central Valley, our amazing agricultural heartland.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
But first, Charlie, I just want to say thank you so much for being part of our amazing event in Huntington Beach on Tuesday. I wish you'd been there to hear the gasp of excitement when we didn't tell people you'd be joining us.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
We just played your wonderful video and the crowd was so excited, as was I. And I really, really appreciate your friendship over the years and your support of me in this effort. Because it actually means, I say this the whole time, California is too important to let it slide further into stagnation and decline. It's too important for America. Never mind everyone who lives here in California.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
We've got to turn things around. We've got to end this 15 years. of Democrat one-party ruling going in a new direction.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
So it's got to focus on those positive, practical things that are common sense, that term that President Trump uses the whole time. It's exactly right. We've had so much ideology over these past years. That's what's driven all this extremism and ended with those terrible results that we all know. So we've just got to think about those basic things. It's a simple story of the California dream.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
A good job where you make enough to raise your family in a home of your own, a safe neighborhood, with a good school so your kids have a better life than you. That is the ladder of opportunity. Every rung on that has been smashed by Democrat policy. We've got to rebuild it. We've got to allow people to actually live in California.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
So many families I speak to are young people wanting to have families. So there's no way we can do that in California. It's so tough to live, to just avoid the basics. So the number one thing I want to do, the quickest thing we can do to directly put more money in people's pockets is
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
is take working people and working families out of state income tax, because it's insane the level of taxation in California. You add it all up, we have the highest taxes in the country. So the first part of my plan is to take anyone earning $100,000 or less, which is not a big salary in California, considering how expensive everything is, won't pay state income tax.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
Right now they're paying 9.3% state income tax. Even if you're earning $70,000, it's insane. Secondly, we've got to make it easier to start and run a business in California. I've run businesses both here in America. I've started companies in England. It's so difficult. We're just an endless, insane bureaucracy. It's coming out of state government. We've got to cut it right back.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
and allow people to just follow their dreams. And especially small businesses, they're being absolutely out by Democrat regulations and insanity from state government in Sacramento. Homes, we can't, we have the highest housing costs in America. The number one reason for that, we're just not allowed to build homes anywhere where people want to live.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
That dream of a single family home where you can raise your kids, the yard, we can enjoy the weather. The Democrats are ideologically against that. They want everyone to live in apartments, density in the middle of cities. That's not the California dream.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
So we've got to remove those restrictions, get rid of the complexity and all the building codes, make it easy and cheaper to build the homes we want. And finally, I talk about great kids in the broader sense. Of course, the school system has to be improved. We have like barely half the kids in our public schools can meet basic state standards in English. For math, it's 33%.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
Those numbers should be 100%. And the way we do that is to get more transparency so that we can reward good teachers and remove bad ones. And so we've got to have a grade for every school, a grade for every teacher, so that parents can see what's going on. then you give them the power to make the changes. That's just the start of it. It's a common sense thing. Wide agreement.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
This is not controversial. It's not ideological.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
Absolutely nailed it. These are man-made problems, or to be specific, Democrat-made problems. These are policy choices that have given us all these insane cost. There was a time when we had the most affordable homes in the country in California. We would build, build, build. That's when the California dream, that suburban life we all imagine is the American dream. That used to happen.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
We had the most fantastic building and engineering projects in the world. We're literally about to drive past one of them, San Luis Reservoir, just here in just close to the Bay Area, built in the 1960s. We built the state water project to collect the melted snow melt from the Sierras and get it to Los Angeles and the dry parts of Southern California and the Central Valley.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
We did that a generation or more, two generations ago. We stopped being able to have the ambition and hustle, and that's what we need to get back to. It's all possible and doable if we have the right mindset the right ambition and get rid of this far left ideology that's ruined this beautiful state. That's how we make California golden.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
So the version of it that I was expecting, how the hell can you win in this deep blue state as it's described? Well, here's the plan. And I just want to be really clear with you and with everyone, Charlie, that's why I'm doing this to be the governor, not to run a good campaign or to get everyone excited or to help people down ballot.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
I want to do all those things because I think that we can build a real movement to change in California. But as you know, I've, worked inside of a government back in the day in the UK, senior advisor to a prime minister. I know how government works. I can't wait to actually be the head of the executive branch of California so we can actually change things. That's why I'm doing it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
So the first point is that California is already much more of a Republican state than people think. The average share of the vote in California for Republicans, even the last 20 years or so, where there hasn't been the kind of energy we're seeing today, It's over 40, I call it 40%. That's more than a lot of people think. But in the last year or so, you're seeing real energy and change.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
And I think it's part of the Trump factor that's sweeping the nation. So you look at the last election in California, you've had 10 counties flip from blue to red in California, including where I'm heading today, Fresno County, the fifth biggest city in the state. These aren't just tiny little rural areas. Ten counties, Republican, Democrat to Republican.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
Then you see what happened on the statewide ballot initiatives. In a way, last November, Republicans won in California without anyone realizing it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
The measure Prop 36 to make crime illegal, after Kamala Harris' ridiculous Prop 47 that legalized theft up to $950 a day, the notorious one, that was overturned by 70% majority across the state, but also measures to stop a big tax increase, to stop rent control, to stop the minimum wage rising. Those all passed. The Republican position won on those issues. And then
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
Really, we got to look at Huntington Beach. That's why I chose that as the location for my launch event. Four years ago, Huntington Beach, iconic city, the biggest city in Orange County, was run by Democrats, 6-1. And then 2022, a group of very energetic Republicans took over. They won 4-3, did a good job. They won.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
moved homeless encampments, they implemented common sense conservative policy, they prosecuted crime, they took the nonsense out of the school libraries. Just last November, they won 7-0. So you have a place that went from 6-1 Democrat to 7-0 Republican in four years. The best bit, Charlie, two weeks ago, Huntington Beach was rated best-run city in California. So it's a great story there.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
Common sense for Republican ideas. You've got to have that fighting spirit. You've got to have clear, simple ideas that can give people hope. I think everyone understands you need change in California, but they haven't had that sense of, this really could happen, so I should get engaged. That's the whole point of my campaign, to say, look, here are the things we can do to make your life better.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
But it's exciting. I mean, I've already been working on this for a long time. I said I'm a policy organization. So we got the golden together plans then. But you can see my plan at stevehiltonforgovernor.com. You've got a whole set of very simple ideas, as we've been discussing. I'm going to be a high energy, high profile campaign in this state for too long.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
I think we haven't taken the fight to the Democrats. They do not have a leg to stand on. When it comes to the results, everything's been a total disaster. I cannot wait to take them on. I'm going everywhere in the state. Day one was Orange County. In the evening, we're in Los Angeles. Yesterday, San Francisco. Today, Fresno. Tomorrow, Sacramento. Next week, up in Napa and Sonoma.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
There's a whole farming industry there that's being crushed by Democrats. Every day, I'm going to be telling the story of how we can change things for the better. We're going to be putting all out, live streaming our events at a policy forum in San Francisco yesterday, where we asked questions from the crowd on every single issue. And so this is going to be a very visible high energy campaign.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
And I hope people follow the best way to follow the campaign. Follow me on social media at Steve Hilton X. See you on the road.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What Did The Founders Think About Immigration?
Thank you, Charlie. See you soon.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Elon Musk: Public Enemy #1
Play cut to a five to see this white women with at least a college degree. The only group of white voters that really kind of is on the left politically aligned with progressive causes, democratic politics. Give me an example. Here's that question. Excuse me. Right here that we asked about in our poll. We had two big statements we read to voters.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Elon Musk: Public Enemy #1
Basically, do you want to continue DEI programs or do you think they should be ended? And again, look at this divide here. White men, no degree, end it. White men with a degree, end it, they say. White women, no degree, end it, they say, by double digits. And then white women with a college degree, completely different by a nearly 40-point margin, they say, to continue D.E.I.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Elon Musk: Public Enemy #1
We found something we've never found before in more than 30 years of this poll. What you're looking at here is the image of each political party, the Democrats and the Republicans. And look at this, this blue, it's the Democrats voting. Minus 28, it says. What does that mean? It means that when we ask this, do you have a positive or negative view of the party?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Elon Musk: Public Enemy #1
Just 27% of voters say they have a positive image of the Democratic Party. 55% say they think of the Democratic Party negatively. That's negative 28 points. This is the trend line going back 30 years. You can see neither party has ever come anywhere near as close to this. It's fallen off a cliff, that number has for Democrats since the election.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Elon Musk: Public Enemy #1
Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Jon Stewart on Trump’s Heel Turn on Zelenskyy & Elon's Interview Challenge | Matthew Desmond
It's a global revolt. It's a zeitgeist. We're on the right side of history. The beating heart of the globalist project is in Brussels. If I drive the state through the vampire, the whole thing will start to dissipate. We'll call it the movement or the cause or something like that. And that's literally when we take over the EU.
The Ezra Klein Show
Don't Believe Him
The opposition party is the media. And the media can only, because they're dumb and they're lazy, they can only focus on one thing at a time. All we have to do is flood the zone. Every day, we hit them with three things. They'll bite on one, and we'll get all of our stuff done. Bang, bang, bang. These guys will never be able to recover. But we've got to start with muzzle velocity.
The Ezra Klein Show
Don't Believe Him
Muzzle velocity. You've got to, when you get anything in line.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Hegseth Goes On Offense, SCOTUS Arguments on LGBT Curriculum, FDA Fights Food Dyes: AM Update 4/23
We have to have a sense of urgency. Right now, we are burning daylight. We're 18 months away or however long away from the midterm elections where if they raise $2 billion and flip a couple of seats in New York and California, Hakeem Jefferson is going to speak at the House. They're going to impeach Trump in the first weeks.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Hegseth Goes On Offense, SCOTUS Arguments on LGBT Curriculum, FDA Fights Food Dyes: AM Update 4/23
And people are not at DOJ, at FBI and others are not moving quickly enough and fast enough with a sense of urgency and even CIA and DNI of taking down the deep state. These people are at war with President Trump. What's happening to Pete Hexeth is part of that war. They're dug in now more than ever and understand that. They need to get rid of Trump and they need to get rid of Trumpism.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Hegseth Goes On Offense, SCOTUS Arguments on LGBT Curriculum, FDA Fights Food Dyes: AM Update 4/23
Folks, you have to understand this deep state. This just didn't occur overnight. This has been 40 or 50 years. All those generals and field officers and civilians have been around forever as part of the deep state of the Pentagon. They're just not going to have Pete Hexeth come in with President Trump's ideas and a handful of people and say, oh, this is terrific. Why didn't we think of this?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Hegseth Goes On Offense, SCOTUS Arguments on LGBT Curriculum, FDA Fights Food Dyes: AM Update 4/23
Because they're going to bury President Trump in that way. And that's why I think we have to be even more aggressive.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
And I think Caldwell, people got to watch that Tucker interview. uh i think there's some deep and disturbing truths in that this is i and i think the leaks and all this stuff is is is the they're wanting us to chase
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
rabbits here the core of this to me gets down to you said republican or republican megan i think it's almost even deeper in this this is about the america first national security policy and about how we've had been a neoliberal neocon uh country for 40 or 50 years
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
This gets down to, I believe, this whole strategy in the Middle East and people like Caldwell who came from the Koch's defense priority, which essentially also made Pete and transformed Pete.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
And years ago, they were looking to do that, transform him from a Fox News host to someone who could go into senior levels of national security by giving him some of these veterans groups and others that would promote him something over and above just a media figure.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
uh i think it shouldn't be lost on anybody that this comes up and and i say this with total respect for tucker who i respect and i i consider a friend and a colleague um that uh you know what our show and and and our part of the mega base we're quite or at least at least two-thirds of our audience 80 are very pro-israel
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
in the defense but we're very anti uh any type of military conflict with persia about these nuclear sites i think this comes down to a fundamental break break between between the defense party guys and the coke organization which is much more isolationist much more bring it all home
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
versus people who are engaged understand we have to be engaged in the world we have to have a national security policy even around hemispheric defense that is forward-leaning but we don't want to lead with military we want to lead with economic warfare and others and i think that's where this rift is it shouldn't be lost on in your story which i thought was a brilliant uh overview of this and bringing in all the elements you know bb netanyahu
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
has come here twice in the last four or five weeks. One time, President Trump literally blew up the conversation with Trump Gaza, which kind of came out of nowhere. And because Bibi was here to pitch the United States being a part of an active part of a military support.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
for at least an air assault maybe even a ground assault into persia to take down uh their nuclear facilities which would be catastrophic from a military view if you know what the damage assessment would be he came back you know under the under the headline of tariffs but he was here to make a second pitch because president trump did not engage the first time and president trump basically told him in front of the world hey by the way we're starting negotiations one-on-one with no no no participation of israel
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
with the Persians starting next week in Oman, and now it's going to continue again in Rome this weekend, which I'm sure the president being there for the pope's funeral may even participate or have some sort of more direct involvement. So I think this gets down to – And I think we ought to get on the table.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
It gets down to the situation with Israel and people like Tucker and Kurt Mills and other brilliant people who I think the world of saying, hey, for too long, we've had the tail wag the dog, right? And President Trump and others who are supporters of Israel saying, hey, look,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
this has to be part of an american national security policy and we have to have this and i don't totally agree with president trump about a piece of paper but it has to be something other than a military conflict i don't think it's lost on people that the pentagon has been accused under pete and with these guys of not having detailed plans and support
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
criteria ready to to basically jump in here and have it they've kind of slow walked it and i think the reason they've slow walked it is that there is this president trump and he said again the other day in in the in the press briefing the press avail on the oval yeah that he wants peace he wants a peaceful way to settle this
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
I don't like the ver and he's got his top guy would cough on the negotiation this I don't like the V word I don't like verification I think this has to be taken down piece by piece and I think we have to go up the escalatory ladder on economic warfare number one my question is why are we allowing
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
You know, they say 1.5 million, but it's really almost two and a half million barrels of oil a day to leave Iran that funds the mullahs and goes to the Straits of Hormuz to the Straits of Malacca to China. And it's 22 percent to 25 percent of China's output of which, oh, by the way, we're engaged in an economic crisis. war right now.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
I think going up the escalatory ladder, which would say, hey, I've been in a carrier battle group off the coast of Iran for the hostage crisis in the Persian Gulf. We've got two carrier battle groups right now in the Red Sea keeping the Suez Canal open.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
Just move one over to in front of the Straits of Hormuz, and let's do a blockade, a naval quarantine of everything, and the mullahs will be gone in 100 days. Now, you're going up the escalatory ladder, but I think all of this in the Pentagon, gets down to a major fissure on really our national security policy going forward.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
And are we prepared to get sucked back into an open conflict in the Middle East again?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
I see your analysis, and I'm going to disagree, and here's why. I think there's not, and this is why the promotions under Bush and Obama and President Trump the first time with Mattis and these guys. We took down the caliphate, but remember, the center of gravity of U.S. foreign policy and military and the defense contractors is big army, big operations in CENTCOM in the Middle East.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
It shouldn't be lost on the chats. When you're doing the signal chat, The one thing that jumps off the page at you is President Trump is not engaged with these guys in a real-time basis. Who is he talking to in a real-time? Go back and look at the chats. They're kind of throwing up ideas and getting them up to speed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
They're directly talking to the combatant commander in CENTCOM on the Houthi thing. President Trump is engaged directly with the combatant commander right there at CENTCOM. CENTCOM is the center of gravity. This is why Obama failed on the pivot to Asia. All the pivot to Asia- Wait, wait, wait.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
Why would they leak that? Here's why. Because because the strategic endeavor of President Trump is a hemispheric defense. It's to get off the Eurasian landmass in a direct military comfort. Look, you look at NATO, you look at the Gulf. in the Middle East, you look around to the Straits of Malacca, the South China Sea, you look up to Korea and Japan.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
Around the rim of the Eurasian landmass where we fought all the wars of the 20th century, you have America. You have American commercial relationships, trade deals, capital markets, but it's underwritten by an American security guarantee. This is why we have a trillion dollar defense budget.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
This is why the kids, the sons and daughters of the deplorables are on two carrier battle groups in the Red Sea to keep the Suez Canal open for Europe. What President Trump has said in Panama Central this, for the non-interventionists, or at least to tone it down, we're going to shift to a hemispheric defense.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
And that hemispheric defense is going to go from the Panama Canal, initially from the Panama Canal, which we're going to control, to block the Chinese and Russian Navy from meeting in Caribbean.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
all the way up to greenland where we're going to block this russian navy from coming through mermansk and archangel coming down uh to to the north atlantic to basically put ballistic missile submarines off off of new york so they can launch in the united states and fast attacks down off of norfolk and all of our ports on the east coast also you talk about canada and the arctic that's part of the hemisphere defense pete hex's first visit outside of panama was to go to the three island chain
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
Hawaii, Guam, and the Philippines to talk about the vast Pacific as that is the natural defense of the United States. President Trump's strategy is brilliant.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
Go ahead. Keep going. Panama. And hey, the guys in the Pentagon, the defense contractors are smart people and they're tough. They ran Elon Musk out of there in a second. He hasn't
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
done anything about the pentagon these are the original gangsters okay they're ogs and they said to go hang on the hemispheric defense is the way you cut the defense budget down from a trillion dollars to 500 billion dollars and really defend america and then on expeditionary forces you can pick and choose wherever you go for that but we're off the erasional we're off we're off we're off we're off of the eurasian landmass
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
Then it would make sense.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About Hegseth Smears and Leak Firings, and Shocking Details of Ellen Greenberg Case, with Steve Bannon and Nancy Grace | Ep. 1054
He's aligned with Tucker, but that's the people turfing him out. Remember, he's the one turfed out. Look, I'm not a huge Dan Colwell fan originally. He's okay. He's one of these Koch guys, the defense priorities, which are total isolationists and kind of support what I would call hemispheric defense. The reason he was turfed out and they leaked the-
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I'm not so sure he leaked it allegedly leaked, but the, the Panama war plans, I'm not so sure he actually leaked them. We'll have to find that over time is they're trying to get rid of the Tucker, the people more aligned with Tucker Carlson, the defense priority guys who Pete really came from that area.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That's why Pete's sitting there going, you know, it's his chief of staff, these other guys, it looks like the building's coming after Pete. I think this comes down fundamentally in what your audience ought to think of. There's two separate ways you look at American national security in the 21st century.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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President Trump is presenting a radical, but a plan that goes back to our founders in the, in the Monroe doctrine and manifest destiny about you take care of the Western hemisphere. If you secure the Western hemisphere with the vast Pacific, which is as big as the Eurasian landmass as a defense,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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and you take care of the Russian Navy from the Arctic and from Greenland and from Panama, you've basically hermetically sealed the United States. This is why he's also talking about a iron dome type thing or anti-ballistic missile. Once you've done that, you've hermetically sealed the United States and probably had the potential of cutting our defense budget by half, okay? If you continue...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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and and it's the plan of what the pentagon has is not sustainable if you continue this madness of us being everywhere and having troops everywhere and having you know from ukraine to the middle east to everywhere you're you're going to bankrupt the nation and i think that's the fundamental thing and you're seeing turmoil and pete does not have control of the building i'm a huge pete fan we we went fixed bayonets
The Megyn Kelly Show
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on Pete when he was almost tossed over for Ron DeSantis very early in the confirmation phase. So our audience is 100% in back of Pete. We want Pete to stay. But this gets to deeper, and they're coming after Trump. That's why this is the deep state. Marco Rubio today had a huge restructuring of the State Department. You're gonna see, and they leaked it on Sunday with some false things.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The deep state was the National Security Council, whether it's at DNI, whether it's at CIA, State Department, or particularly the Pentagon, is trying to put a siege mentality on President Trump that he can't take any actions he wants to do to basically implement, Megan, the America first national security strategy. And this is a live fire exercise. They're out for Pete Hexeth. And I think NPR,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I think Ron DeSantis is out there telling people, you should have picked me at first. Who's you going to trade out Pete on? I'm in the bullpen. I'm ready to go. And the Republican establishment would love that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Unfortunately for leakers today... I think your summary was brilliant. I think your summary is brilliant. And I think folks really ought to focus on this because it gets to... If you see the way they're coming at President Trump through the judiciary and the courts, the deep state... And this is my problem...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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When I hear Pete talk about we're going to have an investigation and light all this and we're going to put it to DOJ, hey, this thing right now in DOJ should be number 20. I mean people have to wake up. We have to have a sense of urgency. Right now we are burning daylight.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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We're 18 months away or however long away from the midterm elections where if they raise $2 billion and flip a couple of seats in New York, in California. Hakeem Jefferson, the Speaker of the House, is going to impeach Trump in the first weeks of not going to remove him, but impeach him. We're going to get to this whole thing again.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And people are not, at DOJ, at FBI and others, are not moving quickly enough and fast enough with a sense of urgency. And even CIA and DNI of taking down the deep state. These people are at war with President Trump. What's happening to Pete Hexeth is part of that war. And we have to stop it by direct action. You just can't sit there and wish it away.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And don't think that the election in November means anything to these people. They're dug in now more than ever and understand they need to get rid of Trump and they need to get rid of Trumpism.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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he's winning it but i would say it's a quite brilliant strategy i think they're doing because this is not about the criminal gangs clearly they're embracing these people and the american people are 80 20 against that but their overall strategic goal is not is no mass deportations under biden's watch we have at least 10 million illegal alien invaders here
The Megyn Kelly Show
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if i was running their operations i kind of do the same thing is delay and deny block trump on the most egregious if they can slow us down megan on emerson ms-13 if they can slow us down with the venice whalen gang if they can do that when do we actually get to the mass deportations and here's what happens on the deep state You talk about, exactly. First off, we'll wear them down.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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We'll change the public. The Wall Street guys have come out and said, we need these guys for the economy. They had 2% of GDP. The wages are low because of this. They are most focused on the 10 million because they want them here as essentially indentured servants, but also as voters. That's why we got to keep the eye on the price. And honestly, they've slowed us down.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They've used the courts, but let's talk about what happened in the courts. President Trump used the alien...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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alien enemy enemies act of 1798 one of the predicates of that is actually make the case for an invasion by a foreign power and using these gangs the deep state came out over the weekend with a national uh intelligence estimate kind of leaked to the press to say hey the community you know over at dni they're doing this internal analysis and it doesn't support that at all
The Megyn Kelly Show
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this is what's happening i think the democrats are playing their cards smartly although for most people they're sitting there going how can they embrace these guys they're embracing these the worst of the worst to slow us down and getting the worst of the worst out now they got us jammed up in court they got president trump's the energy the attention and nobody's talking about the mass deportations you wait till the the bill comes up
The Megyn Kelly Show
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for the reconciliation, where we're asking for $170 billion to rebuild the infrastructure, the ice and the logistics to get people out of here. That's going to be another firestorm. So I think we've got to double and triple down. You're a lawyer. I'm not. I think there's... President Lincoln...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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uh you know uh held up a habeas corpus in the civil war general washington was all for it and a couple of times you know after he became president about the situation we have the french revolution and some of the french people over here i think you've got to get much more on everything we're doing on taking down the deep state and going after this aspect of it i think we have to double and triple down now there can't be any retreat and no pushback and quite frankly the courts have got us jammed up and i think we've got to look at other
The Megyn Kelly Show
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alternative methods. And I think there's got to be a challenge. There is a constitutional crisis right now. My point is go maximalist on this and let's bring it to a head and let's bring it now so we can get to the mass deportations. Otherwise the Democrats are going to win.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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If we do that, and I don't like the fact he's been transferred from Seacott. I don't like the direction of this so far. This is the worst of the worst, and look how the media has embraced this and made this guy a hero. The reason is it's about due process and their concept of these invaders. If we bring him back for that hearing, it's over.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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it's over it's over for the sovereignty of the country it's over for the country you're never going to get to the rest of the criminal gangs president trump i think came out on true social day megan look you know this a thousand times better than i do i think he said the calculation that the ice guys have done is 200 years
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You'd have 200 years to even get to the criminals, not even to the 10 million, just the due process hearings you would have to have it over and over again. So I think we have to take a hard line on this. I think Stephen Miller is 100% correct. I think we have to take a hard line, and I would like further action. I just think now's the time to do it. I do believe, and I think...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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look the the supreme court to come out at one o'clock in the morning in the dark at night over over uh easter weekend and put out a ruling and then have justice alito put at his opinion what was blistering to his colleagues we have now this thing's up at the supreme court and there's a civil war in the supreme court on the conservative side not even talking about the the progressive judges
The Megyn Kelly Show
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that we've allowed and these guys are now feeling empowered you're going to have lawsuits on tariffs you're going to have lawsuits on every action president trump's going to do to delay is to deny and they're playing it masterfully the the justice department is overwhelmed because you only have so many lawyers yes this is we have to lance the boil on this otherwise the legal insurrection of these neo-marxist judges is is going to win just by overwhelming us and that's why i think it's more and more direct and tough action
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Megan, you're arguing law, constitutional law. You're arguing logic and the rule of law. I'm saying this is not about that. You can make all those arguments and they don't care. Boasberg, look, on the unitary theory of the executive, where President Trump is the chief executive. It's President Boasberg to you, Steve.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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No, but this is my point. He stepped in the middle of this, of president Trump's primary responsibility, being commander in chief of the armed forces and being commander in chief and taking an oath to God about the national security of the United States.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He stepped in the middle of it and now is bringing criminal is setting up a record of criminal contempt charges of which, as you remember, I went to prison. They're trying to do the exact same thing around people around president Trump. This is so obvious. This gets back to the Pentagon. Folks, you have to understand this deep state. This just didn't occur overnight. This had been 40 or 50 years.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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All those generals and field officers and civilians have been around forever as part of the deep state of the Pentagon. They're just not going to have Pete Hexeth come in with President Trump's ideas and a handful of people and say, oh, this is terrific. Why didn't we think of this? The same with the judiciary. Look at the radical nature of these judges. You're the lawyer.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You're a constitutional lawyer. You know how outrageous some of this has been? It's post-constitutional. That's what the American people, and particularly MAGA, has to wake up, I think, even more to and say, hey, look, We're not playing by the old rules here anymore because they're going to bury President Trump in that way.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And that's why I think we have to be even more aggressive and more outside the box.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I think this legal insurrection and you see this at the Supreme Court of the United States to file something in the middle of the night at one o'clock in the morning and then have Alito so furious that he puts out his own opinion, which throws a couple of sharp elbows at people, his colleagues and the colleagues he was throwing a sharp elbow at was that the chief justice of the Supreme Court, Roberts.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Right. So we're in it. We're in it now.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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If those facts are the case, I hope the DOJ and the Southern District of New York are moving rapidly to do a quick investigation, panel a grand jury, and let's get on with it. This is another thing about let's just move off on it. It looks pretty straightforward, right, on the facts that have been presented. She's presented no evidence.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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no counter facts about this it looks pretty egregious and i think it was done at the same time that she was dropping these charges these phony charges on president trump so what's good for the goose is is better for the gander i would say let's get on it and get on it quickly this is what i'm saying about we got to have a sense of urgency i would hope we would be seeing if the facts are the case and you have to have an investigation you would be seeing an indictment pretty quickly and uh and let's perp walker
The Megyn Kelly Show
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into, uh, into federal court. And, uh, she says she's not going to do it. She's not going to do it on TV. That's fine. We'll do it in a court of law, but get on with it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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She's also never shy about a camera. That'd be the first time she didn't want to jump in front of a microphone, right, Megan?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Let's talk about the substance in a second, but the optics are clearly, you know, a party that's dispirited and doesn't have, you know, any way forward and really has no policies. She's out there as a dynamic personality. She's putting some energy into it. Number one is you've got to get people to kind of believe in something. Hey, we're going to fight for something.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So in that regard, I think she is energy because the geriatrics in the Democratic Party are not just wrong on policy. They're beaten politically. Right. You can tell that. And they don't have a response. Now, you look at the substance of the fight, the oligarchy. I've never seen anything more crassly, a bigger lie and phony.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I have watched virtually every second of the speeches of her and Bernie because I am impressed by the crowds they are drawing. And this is just not all Coachella. They've driven huge crowds in the middle of a beautiful Saturday in Los Angeles. They're getting people there. Those people are thirsting for kind of populism. This is what the Democratic Party abandoned.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The billionaires in the Democratic Party in the credential class walked away from the working class. Those people do want to fight the oligarchs. Unfortunately, everything Bernie and AOC say in these speeches has nothing really about attacking the oligarchs. It's all this kind of Green New Deal and Gaza. It's everything but oligarchs. the heart of the matter.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The heart of the matter is President Trump's tariff policy, and what he's trying to do is bring manufacturing jobs back here for the working class. If you look at the tax bill, everything everybody's talking about is President Trump is open to, and I think you're gonna be shocked to see that President Trump is not gonna allow a snapback
The Megyn Kelly Show
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at the upper bracket in fact i think he'll create a million dollar bracket and that bracket will be at 40 percent he will actually tax the wealthy in this entire tax plan something that schumer and and and and pelosi and biden didn't do in the first hundred days when they had everything in 2021 they talked about it it didn't even come at a committee President Trump will do it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The third thing is in federal court in Washington, D.C., working off Lena Kahn's great work when she was head of the FTC and abandoned by Kamala Harris and abandoned by Joe Biden. You have Zuckerberg, who has been a supplicant to President Trump. You've had Zuckerberg there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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in court about breaking up the Facebook empire, and we have Google in Northern Virginia and DC about breaking up their empire. Trump Justice Department, Trump FTC breaking up the oligarchs. The Republican Party under Trump, the MAGA movement is taking down the oligarchs. AOC and Bernie are running around cosplaying populist.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Megan, thank you so much. Appreciate you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, you know, having worked in the Pentagon, I came off sea duty back the first day that President Reagan came. I was there for, I don't know, three, three and a half, almost four years. There's one thing about controlling that building. And another thing about being President Trump's senior national security advisor for the military. I think this goes back.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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If I'm the Trump administration, I'm going to park my car, Megan, I'm going to park it right here. I don't want to move off of this topic. I want them to keep talking. I want to recycle this day after day after day. If my political opponents want to say, hey, we are the political party of, you cannot deport members of violent gangs, maybe amongst the most violent gangs in the entire hemisphere.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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um or you're are heartless heartless and cruel uh that that's just that's just not anything anybody that's not vested in the undoing of america who's never gonna vote our way anyway right this is this is a zero-sum game now uh the immigration issue is these are These are just like the gender issue, just like really almost every other issue in the country right now.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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These are incontrovertible worldviews that just simply cannot share a land mass, cannot share a culture. The idea that the New York Times thinks an unborn baby at the final, very final stage of development has no right whatsoever.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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uh to life on the other hand an msnb ms-13 gang member has a right to set his foot uh his feet down here on the soil of the united states of america that's just that's just not a world view you know the country that many of us are talking to could just abide with and live with and so i think that this is another excellent opportunity uh to allow the left wants to go ahead and cast themselves outside of reality and outside of sanity to the normie voter out there let them
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I'd park my car right here. I talk about this issue every day I possibly could. If I were this White House, I'd keep recycling ways to keep bringing it up, Megan, and make them keep owning this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Megan, I don't do this very often, okay, but... In terms of political execution, that is chef's kiss level stuff. And to make them just sit there and own this. And yes, you are welcome to be the party of violent gang members and terrorist organizations have a right to be in your neighborhoods against your own will. You're welcome to be the side that represents that argument.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I would not move off this talking point. There's an old, in the radio business, in the old FM DJ business, the old saying was, just when you're getting sick of the song, the audience is starting to get it, right, okay?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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and and i and i would keep going until you just thought you completely talked this out uh and you're sick of it if you're in that white house right now and there aren't any tropes left there aren't any angles left to this and i just i'd recycle a few more days more just to make sure the american people understand totally and completely which side everybody is on on this
The Megyn Kelly Show
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100%. And I mean, what you just tragically described, Megan, was 100% avoidable crime. Not all crime is avoidable. Wrong place, wrong time, circumstances beyond your control. But that was 100% unavoidable, did not have to happen. And it simply happened because the United States federal government under the previous regime aided and abetted it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I mean, their fingerprints are on the murder weapon here. These two stories are actually connected in some respects. What we were just discussing and what we're discussing now from a political standpoint. What we have learned on the right in the last few years is that the way we do persuasion in this era is different now.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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In previous eras, you used to start with an objective truth claim, and then you would close with a personal testimony and story to cinch the argument with an emotional connection. And the way we do business epistemologically in the West now is different now. And now you have to begin with an emotional appeal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You have to gain emotional credibility first before people will philosophically listen to you. And the left has beaten us over the head with this for the last couple of decades. And we're beginning to figure out now and do this better on our own. And we're using stories instead of statistics of tragedies of what you just said.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Hey, because ultimately we're dealing with people and souls here, not numbers on a page. And these statistics, they come home to real stories, real tragedies. Someone's daughter isn't coming home for Easter this weekend. Someone's daughter isn't going to be there at Christmas next year or ever again. Why? Why? Why? And then that gets us into the philosophical arguments about what happened here.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They're trying to emulate this now with the case of the MS-13 gang member. In the last election, Trump won Hispanic men overall by 10 points, one of the most astounding pieces of data in all of the exit polling. Did even better with younger Hispanic men. And what you're seeing is a generational changeover.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The original Hispanic voting bloc from the 80s on, one of their primary concerns, if not their primary concern, was I want to bring as many people that are stuck back home with me here. Which means if you put a conservative piece of legislation on the ballot as a referendum, they would often vote for us.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But if you ask them to vote for Republicans, they often would not because of that primary concern. I want to bring more people stuck back in the squalor of home here with me. Well, we've had a changeover, and ironically, some of these so-called dreamers are one of the reasons why. They view themselves as full-blooded Americans. They view themselves as citizens, not immigrants.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And it is vital to see yourself as a nation of citizens and not immigrants. They see themselves as a nation of citizens now. They're living in these suburbs now. They're living in these exurbs now. Those are their schools now with their kids. And they don't want to bring back from home what was left behind. And they're attracted to that Trump message.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And so what the Democrats are attempting to do, they identify, frankly, more with Lincoln Riley than they do an MS-13 gang member because that could be their daughter. And what the left now is trying to do is say, no, no, you have it wrong. That could be you deported next. And that's the case they're trying to make.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's a good strategy for them, but the problem is they chose the wrong example to try to emotionally manipulate. So why did they choose this terrible example? Because they're running out of ideas and running out of time and they're losing ground.
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But Megan, that's a technicality that most... that most of the American people won't care about. All they're going to care about is get this MS-13 gang member off the streets by hook or by crook. That's all they're going to care about.
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Never looked a gift horse in the mouth, Megan. Never. Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, if you don't mind, just a quick digression. I wanted to commend the father here of the victim who got just roundly criticized for forgiving his son's murderer. Because we're conflating forgiveness with forbearance. It doesn't mean we're exempting you from the consequences of your actions. It just means we're not going to harbor bitterness to you. God forgave me, so I'll forgive you.
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And ultimately, you now have to face the consequences for your actions. And I'm going to release you of that and not let that bitterness take root in me and turn me into a person I don't want to become. That's really important. why we forgive, and I wanted to make sure that that father got a well-done, good, and faithful servant from me if this topic came up.
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As to your question, I'm fine in a case of self-defense, like what Delano said, just letting the process play out. Unfortunately, we have a hard time doing that when, based on even what you just said in your lead-up there, Megan, it's at the very least an irregular reduction in bail. for a case of murder in the state of Texas. Number one, I think it's perfectly fine to question why.
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What's so unique about this? We have witnesses, we have a police statement, we have, doesn't mean, by the way, he doesn't get due process in a trial, but we're talking about bail here. We're not talking about sentencing. And so what would be unique?
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And I don't know how you could avoid just coming up with some of the obvious things that would be unique about this case as to why a certain level of bail leniency would be practiced here as you did. I'm actually way more disturbed in trying to figure out
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what would contemplate um someone to say uh i want to give my hard-earned money to this give send go i i'm i i just i'm that's the part of me the part to me that i i'm just really troubled by I just don't understand what it is about this case, unless you're so embedded in racial identity that it's become your own idolatry.
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I have no idea why you would feel compelled to take money off your kid's table and give it to this cause. I just can't wrap my brain around that part of this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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One, elections have consequences. And it wasn't too long ago that, you know, Colorado sent a Native American Republican to the U.S. Senate and Ben Nighthorse Campbell. It wasn't too long ago that Republicans were very competitive in the state, could win the state. frequently in presidential elections. You have one or two elections.
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There's a state to the north of me where I live in Iowa here, Megan, in Minnesota. And its culture is very similar to the one we have in Iowa, but it's a tale of two states. One has a governor in Kim Reynolds, the other a governor in Tim Walz. And if you lose, it's the wrong period of time to these kinds of revolutionaries and radicals.
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I went up and spoke to the Minnesota State Legislature's conservative caucus a year ago. And they said, hey, we've never seen things like this. I mean, this is the state that even Reagan couldn't win. Even they were like one election changed this entire state into California. They've had a couple of bad election cycles in a row recently in Colorado.
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And now there is really no distinction between the Colorado State Assembly and what goes on in Sacramento every single day in California.
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all right and and yet and and we have to understand now ultimately what time it is we have to we cannot allow the left to gain a foothold of power because these are the things they will do wherever they get that power but in turn now we need to also be nominating republicans who understand what time it is and are willing to use the power we give them to stop them from doing things to us like this so that's the first thing that stands out to me number two this is a hallmark of every totalitarian belief system uh you know we have 7 000 years of recorded human history
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uh and there's there's a couple of things that you see in every single human society and here's one of them every time there's any form of strain of totalitarianism takes over in any culture or gains a foothold in any culture they always turn the kids against their parents every single time they always turn the children into instruments and tools of the movement instant instruments and tools of the revolution instruments and tools of agitprop and of the of the state uh and against the parents uh in order to use the children essentially
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as some form of police force uh they didn't just the brown shirts we saw in the a hundred years ago that wasn't a new thing it was just you know a different uniform and so this is what you're seeing here now and this is where this was this stuff was always going to go here the one thing the late great robert bork was wrong about is we don't slouch to gomorrah we sprint and ultimately the reason why they hate slippery slope arguments on the left is because they're undefeated
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They're undefeated. I mean, these are the questions we've been asking. How far are we going to go with all of this? By which moral standard will we draw the line? And the answer is none. There is absolutely none at all because whatever grants leftists power and control, that is what they will utilize because that is the foundations of the leftist belief system.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Whatever grants me more power and control and turning your children against you grants me a unique amount of both.
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I was just going to say, if there's such a thing as the Colorado Republican Party, you just did their 2026 campaign ad. This is too radical for Gavin Newsom. It has to be too radical for Colorado. Now, I don't know if there's a Colorado Republican Party anymore, but if there is, you just did an in-kind contribution with that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, I'm 10,000% in favor of consequences being ratcheted up comprehensively in the culture at the moment. So commenzo festival of lawsuits and lawfare. To me, this would be just restitutional for everything they put the president through in the last year and a half. So sure, I'm completely and totally in favor of it.
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In fact, now that you mentioned it, I'm kind of surprised he hasn't done this already.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You may have also stumbled on something there. That might be the ultimate diss. Like, you're just not even worth the salt in my tears. I have no idea who you are exactly. You're not even worthy of a lawsuit. Exactly, yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's the campaign rhetoric they want to hear. And it's because here's the thing. Oh, Delano, my bad. My bad. Go ahead.
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You bet. Anytime. Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Megan, I have to tell you, this entire story, there are two kind of meta things about this that stands out to me. Number one, I mean, the long train of due process that this... Maryland father has received. It's way more due process than the state of Colorado is apparently willing to grant parents who don't want their kids taken to the island of Dr. Moreau against their own will.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And then they'll be put in jail if they don't consent. I mean, apparently this goes to the lie, by the way, we're a nation of immigrants. When my ancestors came here from Italy and Sicily at the turn of the last century, They didn't view themselves as immigrants. They wanted to become citizens. We're a nation of citizens, right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And so at any point in time, the people that are lawfully here have less rights than the people who are not. We've lost the plot. And then speaking of which, I think this entire story, this is the other thing that kind of stands out to me about the meta aspects of this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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know i i long for the days when the president was a russian asset uh russian asset uh that was uh you know uh that was compromise uh because of a of a water sports tape uh and he was engaged in uh quid pro quo with ukraine uh and and all the other great scandals the other side the left is now down to how dare you deport this ms-13 gang member and so i'm reminded of the great prophet sun tzu and his art of war when your opponent is making a fool out of themselves let them
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Trump's China Decision, Potential Tax Increase For Rich, Elon Steps Back from DOGE: AM Update 4/24
If you look at the tax bill, everything everybody's talking about is President Trump is open to. And I think you'll be shocked to see that President Trump is not going to allow a snapback. at the upper bracket. In fact, I think he'll create a million-dollar bracket, and that bracket will be at 40%.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He will actually tax the wealthy in this entire tax plan, something that Schumer and Pelosi and Biden didn't do in the first 100 days when they had everything in 2021. They talked about it. It didn't even come out of committee.
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Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
You need to study modern political history of the fights we've been through for 12 or 14 years to get to this spot. We're not having group hugs. We're not having pats on the head. I've said many times that Elon came and Elon's money helped organize the grassroots of it. In his engineering mind, he saw what the problem was as we saw it, and he supported it.
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And for that, he gets a place at the table. There's no doubt you should. They're recent converts. But the converts sit in the back and study for years and years and years to make sure you understand the faith. Don't come up and go to the pulpit in your first week here and start lecturing people about the way things are going to be.
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If you're going to do that, we're going to get and we're going to rip your face off.
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Millions Spent on Crucial Special Elections, New Columbia Tension, Trump Warns Putin: AM Update 3/31
Why would Republicans be a little concerned? Is it about losing the district? That might be a stretch. There's nobody in the House. There's no Democrat in the House who has won in a district like this recently. But would they be embarrassed by a smaller, a significantly smaller margin? That's certainly possible.
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I'd actually say the Catholic Church is worse. The Episcopal is just some bishop up there, you know, yammering like they all yammer on the left. It's just talk. The Catholic Church has been actions. I mean, definitively, you could actually say, Brother Holman, I think their business model, this is how I got it with Dolan years ago. The business model, as you know,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The churches have been emptied from traditional parishioners because of the pedophilia crisis and other things. This left-wing doctrine, they filled it up with illegal aliens. They have a business model that supports this.
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On top of all that, they just appointed the most open borders cardinal in America, I think it's McElroy, to be the cardinal over at the Basilica here in Washington, D.C., basically the cardinal for one of the most powerful, not the most powerful, but archdiocese in the country, Washington, D.C., and then he speaks for the pope here, and he's going to be in the president's grill.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He's an open borders guy, which says no deportation. So there are many institutions, source-backed, philanthropy, religious, that were all part of this. This just didn't happen. The people that are kind of the victims here are the 12 to 15 million that came up. But they can't stay. We have to be the stern parent here. They cannot stay because they're destroying other citizens in this country.
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They have to go home because you're here on CNBC. All the economic reasons they got to stay is going to be inflationary. It's this. It's that. It costs too much money. All of it. Bottom line, if we're a constitutional republic, you can't be invaded. This is about our sovereignty. They all must go home.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I believe you have to have a massive investigation, a criminal investigation with a grand jury and a special prosecutor about how this happened, how this happened. And people have to be held accountable. If we cannot hold those responsible accountable, then we're going to lose our sovereignty that way.
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They could definitely be undone. And I say this about the January 6th. As you know, it has to be because they did it so late. They did it. It was his Justice Department. It has to be Pam Bondi and the Justice Department that has to do this. And remember, Emil Bovi... The number three guy in the Justice Department was actually on the raids with Homan over the weekend.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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We actually did a sidebar interview with him, my guy Ben Berquam. He said he was outraged, outraged by what he saw as obstruction by officials, government officials in Chicago to stop this. So that's what I'm saying. We have to adjudicate all this. And these pardons, all of the pardons, of
The Megyn Kelly Show
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including for Cheney, all of them actually had to be executed by the Justice Department because Biden waited too late. And so I think that all of those ought to be in play. Tom Fenton is adamant about this. Tom Fenton doesn't think any of these pardons and we got to look at these ones. The pardon process is so detailed and takes so many years.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It is impossible in this situation in Connecticut for that to happen. Right. It's just because you have every piece of record that's there. You don't know what they're slipping into the deck to have Biden just sign off on. So this whole thing, the whole pardon thing, but tied back to also illegal immigration has to be fully investigated. And we got to get to the bottom of it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I would tell Pam Bondi, do not execute on any of the pardons for anybody until we get to the bottom of it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I mean, the good news is that people have common sense because this is a revolution of common sense. That's why that's why this movement, this progressive nationalist movement is expanding every day because folks, African-Americans, Hispanic families and working class men and women understand that this is to protect them. And they understand that all the performative, like how phony is that?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And they can see through it. And they understand how this has destroyed their communities and they're not going to tolerate it anymore. And they're certainly not going to be backed off by her or by Martha Raddatz. with Tom Holman.
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I mean, you understand now why the mainstream media is virtually powerless because of her hectoring of Tom Holman, particularly hectoring, remember, about the military flights. You're telling me every day military flights? They weren't concerned when they were having flights bring in bringing folks in here and taking them deep into the country, like up at the Westchester Airport.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So you then could spread out the illegal aliens into New England, right? In upstate New York. So this just shows you, the mainstream media, this is why they're so...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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powerless today and i don't think we should be you know even paying much attention to them we just got to report more information get more facts out there more stories out there and just let the camera roll and see the heroes like tom holman see the heroes of the military they've been sent to the southern border see the heroes uh you know in every aspect of what we're trying to do to deconstruct the administrative state and take on the deep state just cut the cameras on and watch the watch the senate hearings last week where they had no
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They had no punchback on any of the deep policy stuff that Senator Rubio brought up. Or that Pete Hex had talked about a revolution in military affairs, and he had these heritants. All they're doing is going after his personal foibles every second. They didn't even get to the heart of the matter, and now Pete Hex is secretary of defense and has to get on with it and start to execute on this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So I think our audiences grow every day, and they grow with the engagement. And to know that they blew her up after that phony C-level actress performance is, to me, It's encouraging. That's really encouraging because so is the American people and their decency. Remember, American people have tremendous common sense, tremendous grit, but they also have tremendous decency.
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It's the most decent group of people in world history. The most empathetic, they've given more, have freed more people, given their lives, freeing more people, giving money everywhere. The American people are very decent and they understand what's going on here. And they fully back President Trump in this regard to clean this mess up.
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They're not looking to go to cocktail parties in Georgetown. I thought JD, because JD's a real gentleman. But finally, it was like the frustration, Margaret, I don't care. That said, CBS has so lost its way. ABC has so lost its way. It's shocking. You know, Margaret Brennan's just not at the level that you can be to run these Sunday shows. And Martha Raddick's right there. It's just hectoring.
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And you saw last night they got the two new anchors at CBS during the championship game. I think it was the AFC playoffs. I said, man, if that's, you know, Donald was bad enough. Is this an upgrade? This is another disaster. These guys – and this is why – remember the audience is only four and a half million. It's not that big an audience anymore.
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You were doing that at Fox and you're bigger on your podcast when you count everything. So it shows you that the mainstream media – and they're going to be – they're going to have nothing but deportation porn. from here on in, because this is where they're going. But I think the American people have had a belly full of it, and they understand something has to be done.
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And I love the way that in a very professional, even-handed way, that people like Holman and J.D. are kind of the tip of the spear. But I think you're going to see this across the board with everybody. I think you're going to see Secretary Rubio and Pete Hexeth across the board, Pam Bondi. We're not going to count them. They're not looking to go to cocktail parties in Georgetown. They're
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They're there to save this country and return it to her greatness under President Trump's leadership. And I think that's what you're seeing.
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Well, he does it like he does it such a gentleman. I mean, finally, the exasperation when they're just going to continue on and continue on and continue on all of them. And I think this is why they've lost the backing of the American people. It's why the ratings are a disaster, why the cost of these things they're going through and cutting everybody's salary. The salaries are outrageous.
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The first one is cutting salaries. You see right there in J.D. He tries. He makes an argument, puts the facts out. It just continues on, continues on. I mean, it's not a interview. It's a debate. Right. And finally, it says, look, I don't care. And the American people don't care. Next question. Which I think is great.
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I think it's just laziness. I think they've controlled the apparatus for so long. I mean, you've seen this. You know these people. They've gotten lazy. That's one of the reasons they were caught by surprise on 5 November. One of the reasons that MSNBC's ratings dropped by two-thirds is that they lied to their audience. Their problem is credibility.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Half that audience is never coming back because they felt they were lied to all the way up until Pennsylvania was called. And even that night on the broadcast, I've gone back and studied the arc of the broadcast. They lied to their people. They all thought Kamala Harris was a historic night. Kamala Harris, that's where they had the huge crowd at Howard University.
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These people lied to people and then later said, well, you know, you know, we actually knew the polling wasn't that great to the end. They outright lie and they will lie. Because they control every institution. They control the institutional power in the country, and they got very lazy.
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They never thought a startup group like MAGA, these kind of populist nationalists with no money and really no institutional power could get in back of someone like President Trump. It's the reason they treated Trump so badly. Remember the felonies that he was charged with just on insurrection in J6 left him in prison for 300 years. They wanted him to die in prison.
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Until you embrace that fact that they wanted him to die in prison, a man that looks like – look what's happened in the last seven days. I mean when he went to Notre Dame Cathedral, he looked like Charlemagne walking in there. He is now on the world stage as the most powerful individual and really driving all the action. Right.
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Of everything the American government's doing in every different aspect, like 30 different verticals simultaneously. He's the most powerful president, I think, for even more so than Reagan. I think you got to go back to FDR. And I put him in the category with General Washington and actual Abraham Lincoln as the age of Trump and what he's doing here. They wanted him to die in prison.
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Until you understand that, they never thought we were coming back. That's why it was that Jay Monahan could lie at Davos on the stage, said, we never debanked anybody. I go, what are you talking about? We were all banked. Our credit cards were taken. We were debanked. The insurance policies were canceled because they never thought we would be back in a billion years. They said this at Davos.
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Graham Allison said beforehand, he gave on one of these panels before Trump came, he said, This guy was dead. And he says, I mean, dead. He resurrected himself in his movement, resurrected. He says, Graham Allison said, we sat here and mocked those guys for the last four years. They never thought we were coming back. And now that's why it has to be.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I think you said the beginning, you know, all pedal, no brake. We only have so much time to get all this done and to seize institutional power. And that's why I think people have got to be working seven days a week, 24 hours a day to make it happen. And all the shows, all the different shows have to back up.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The difference we have this time is like the 12 or 15 most powerful people in the administration last time in the White House are all on the outside. We're all on the outside sitting there supporting the president every day with that outside effort, that outside push that you need to make sure that, like you've just done here, to break it down to the American people.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And it's more than just a conservative audience. Now you're seeing more and more people saying, well, I want to find out about this. And they like what they hear. We're about to flip California. California, I've lived down in California and Southern California for 20 or 30 years. I'm very familiar with property and Pacific Palisades, let's say that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And those people out there are starting to flip because they realize all the policies they supported for so many years. Really, we're the predicate for how this could happen. And now they're seeing the nightmare of Bass and Newsom and just this blob that won't let them get on with their lives. And they're saying we had enough. Trump comes out and has done more in 24 hours than all these guys did.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So we're in a unique moment in American history, but now a much broader. I say that MAGA. And the MAGA beliefs are two-thirds of 70% of the country. It's like 1932. We can have an inflection point in this country and essentially govern for 50 years. If we take immediate action on what needs to be done, we stay decent and empathetic, but we take action and we're relentless about that action.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This also gets back to the new economic model where he talks about external revenue service and actually not just looking at tariff as a punitive tariff against a Mexican tomato for 25 percent, but a whole new way you look at the economy of the United States inside the golden door.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The operating leverage we have as the United States over technology and sanctions and cash flow and capital markets and all of it. including tariffs, is enormous. And President Trump only brought, he said, tariffs and then sanctions. He only brought about 50% of the toolbox. Our power is almost unlimited about what we can do in a non-kinetic way. But it's just never been used. We're just a sap.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And President Trump, like he said, between holes in a round that he was on a roll on, he just said, here's what I want to do, bang, bang, bang. The state and Treasury go out with that in an announcement. 90 minutes, enough time that they get to write a press release, as you know, they full surrendered.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So this is very important for what it shows about the power of the United States in dealing with both our friends and our enemies. The one thing, and I have been an advocate for this behind the scenes, because you saw in the Honduras and the Central America, I say get everybody up here, either McAllen, Texas, D.C., pick it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It should be Mark or Ruby, I think, first, and Besson, then the president later. Walk them through and say, guys, here's the number of folks you have. Here's what we're going to do. Here's when they're coming back. Here's how we're going to schedule military airlift command to do it. If we need some help, we're open to a conversation on how to figure this out. But
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They're coming back, and they're coming back on a date cert. And if you don't like it, let us know now, because here's what we're gonna do. Bang, bang, bang, and you'll have all of them say, okay, I got it. How do we work this out? We have to be empathetic about this, and this is the way to do it, but Trump showed the innate power of the United States of America.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And that power comes from the little guy, the full faith and credit of the United States. The reason we're so powerful is we rest upon Burke's little platoons of folks just self-organizing every day and getting their job done, going to work, paying their taxes, building their community. That's the power of this country. And finally, somebody stood up and said, guess what?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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We're more powerful than everybody. And here's what we're going to do. But you're taking these bad hombres back. And I think later you're going to take a lot more back. I think it's magnificent, and I just think it ought to continue rapidly. We ought to get them all in a room, cut a deal now, as Trump's the dealmaker, and set up a schedule. Everybody's going home.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So then you can take down the temperature of the deportation porn, which, as you can tell from this weekend's Sunday show, is coming.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This is like a dream or a hat or a hat from the godfather that is a full gangster or full. Hey, here's a power. You said earlier about about Homan and J.D. and J.D. being such a gentleman and Homan kind of be. So matter of fact, Trump doesn't give two fucks. OK, this is what you're saying. He doesn't care. He didn't care what they think about him. He doesn't care what the media think.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They're going to put him in prison. He knows this. He was in prison, going to be in prison for 300 years on the phony charges of the insurrection. Emil Bovi was one of his great attorneys for many of those years. That's why Emil's out there and sees the madness that's going on right now of officials doing it. People, we don't care about the performance art of the left anymore.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's come very close to destroying this country and destroying the citizens of this country. And finally- Finally, through divine providence, we have a leader with all his imperfections who is going to stand up for the American people and the American citizens and, quite frankly, the citizens that were invited in here by this illegitimate Biden regime that now have to go back.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And President Trump, I think you've already seen, is in a way trying to do this with as much empathy as possible. So that's why I couldn't be prouder of President Trump and how he's handling this entire thing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, you also have Pam Bondi and cash Pam Bondi for another round. So Wednesday, Thursday, Wednesday, Thursday, and particularly Thursday is going to be showtime. Um, I think Bobby Kennedy's going to be in good shape. You saw the traitors on Friday. You saw Mitch McConnell playing that game and having to bring J.D. over to get Pete across the line. So you know who the opposition is.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The opposition is that old hidebound Republican establishment. I think Bobby Kennedy, RFK Jr., is going to be fine. He's commanding material. I think he also may pull in a Democrat or two. So I think that'll be fine. I think Kash Patel, which of all these this week, they're all important, I think is the most important. I think Cash gets through. I think Pam gets through. I think Tulsi's an issue.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The scale, the depth, and the urgency. Those three things. I think folks should understand the comeback of President Trump politically took four years. from when he got back to Mar-a-Lago. People like Stephen Miller and Russ Vogt and Scott, people have been working on this for years.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I think Tulsi's an issue not for previous. I think they're all over her right now of her command of the material. And that's why I think the behind the scenes is going to be more important than the upfront. Remember, what they're trying to do, and this is why they had no pushback last week when we flooded the zone. You saw Marco Rubio talking about the end of the post-war rules-based order.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Pete Hex is talking about revolution and military affairs. Both Vogt and Besson combined talking about a new kind of economic model for the country and also... uh, about how we're going to finance it. These were all to, to the, really the heart of the Trump America first restructuring in this country. And there was no pushback. Scott Besson did the best.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And this is why I advise people like cash and Pam and everybody when they go is remember The person Trump has selected likes to take a Besson or a vote. No, 10 times more than these Democratic senators are only there to get these snarky things on video.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The first time you do it, like when Wyden asked that wise guy question to Scott Besson, as soon as Scott adjusted his glasses in the professor moment, I said, here it comes. He blew him up so badly. right? Humiliated in a gentlemanly way, kind of a JD Vance, very gentlemanly way, very professional way. Scott humiliated Widener. He was left bleeding.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Oh, well, you know, that's, I don't understand about it. I don't agree with it. Nobody else has a tough question. So my recommendation to Pam and to all of them, when they come after you, Be a gentleman or a gentleman woman, but take them down right there on national and global TV, and you will see the others act like little lambs. They won't want that. So next week is going to be showtime.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They're dug in on Tulsi. I think Tulsi – and I've been a huge supporter. Remember, I brought Tulsi in in the first two weeks in 2016 to see the president, and I advocated at the time that she should be the UN ambassador instead of Nikki – instead of the governor Nikki. Uh, because I thought Tulsi knew so much more and she was so well-informed. She was an army major.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, she makes it through, but that's going to be a tractor pull.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The Holman-Miller combination of what he's hitting, whether it's in Chicago, calling their bluff there, or getting military transport to send him back to Columbia. This didn't happen After November 5th, the folks have been working on this, these executive orders, executive actions, the legislative program, the financial program, economic, the geostrategic from Panama to Greenland.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Always Megan. Thank you, ma'am.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's all inspiring and breathtaking, and it couldn't have come at a better time to save our country.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Look, Pritzker's running 28. I think Tom Holman, I think it'll happen this afternoon. call their bluff. We're in Chicago for a reason, because Eric Adams has already said he made a mistake, a grievous mistake. That's why the Southern District indicted him when he saw the light. Los Angeles, you see, they're going to drop the sanctuary city. You have to call their bluff.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I think they ought to go in this afternoon and call the bluff of the mayor. If he does not allow the ICE agents in the city jail to pick up the bad hombres that are there, which they haven't done today, arrest him. If Pritzker doesn't let him go into the prisons, the state prisons, arrest Pritzker. If you do have to go into a school and the principal, you got to arrest them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This is just not about the illegal alien invaders. Remember, these people are essentially, besides the criminals, they're essentially, I would say, innocent for the fact of they were invited in here by radical government that hates the United States of America. It's now time to take the torch to the enemy. And that is the mayor of Chicago and the governor. If Pritzker wants to run
The Megyn Kelly Show
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in 2028, if he wants to run in 2028 in the Democratic primary, let him do it from a federal prison cell because right now he's obstructing justice. Look, the home is doing great, but to go to the projects and get guys they've released or get them in onesies, twosies is so expensive, so cumbersome, and quite frankly, dangerous.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's now time to go to the jails, go to the prisons, and make them turn them over. If they don't turn it over, arrest the officials in charge. They're the ones blocking this, and this gets to the heart of this wasn't chaos at the border. This was a well-thought-through plan to allow 12 to 15 million illegal alien invaders to invade our country, and they have to go home. Right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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On military transport. And we've got to cut deals with all the frontline nations, I believe. Not do this onesies, twosies, you know, cut deals. Let's do this. Let's roll. But now it's time to take it up. We're never going to get there by going to housing projects and finding and finding bad guys. You do understand, Megan, you're a smart lawyer. These are administrative warrants.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They went yesterday because we've got one of the exclusives out there with our own Ben Berkholm. They went yesterday to a housing project. The guy just said, hey, I don't want to answer your call. I don't want to open the door. And they had to leave. So it's now time, I think, to ratchet up. Homan's done a great job. Miller's done a great job. It's now time to go next level.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Let's arrest the mayor. Let's arrest the governor. And then send a signal to the rest of the officials throughout the country.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This is why I think we have to be very clear about what we're talking about. And I don't think the administration has done much clarity. To me, it's from the afternoon of the 20th of January 2021 to high noon on the 20th of January of 2025. Everyone that Biden allowed into this country illegally all have to go. Right now it is MSN 13. But I don't want to get into people's minds.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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We're just going to get the bad hombres, the really bad ones. That's where you start with. But they all have to eventually going to have to go to the schools. Now you're going to do it in a empathetic way. You have to be empathetic, and this is why you have to go back to the frontline nations, the other nations, including Asia-Europe.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You got to say, like they did to Colombia over the weekend, yo, your folks are coming back. We will work out something to make sure that we can get them there, do it safely. But if you don't, we have tariffs, we have sanctions, we have other things that we can do, but you're going to take the people back. Folks have to understand, all 12 to 15 million have to return home. We don't have the money.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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We don't have the social services. It's destroyed communities. It's led to all kinds of other problems. We have an African-American and Hispanic citizens in this country have been crushed by this. Their education system has been crushed. Their health care has been crushed. They're working for wages at 20% lower because there's too much illegal alien labor available to take their jobs.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's not right, and I hate to be the guy that says you're eventually going to go to school. Martha Raddatz yesterday shows you exactly the deportation porn you're going to get, and you're going to get it. So people have to come together and say this is a mission, and that's why I wouldn't confuse it for people who have been here before that. We have enough of getting the $12 million out now.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That'll take years. It just will.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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let's worry about who came before that's a topic for a different day and we can get to that but now right here now the deportations have to go i think they have to be ratcheted up i think they have to be much more systematic and the way you're going to do that is start arresting officials start arresting like for instance the catholic church if the catholic church bishops are going to come here and
The Megyn Kelly Show
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throw down and say that, Hey, start rolling up the bishops. If it's going to be Catholic charities, which to me is a criminal organization. And this weekend, she's putting out videos about how to report it, go and arrest them and throw them in the who's gal. It shouldn't be the people that are kind of innocent here. The folks that came,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Now, we have to work it out that they have to go home and we've got to be empathetic and charitable about that. We don't have to be empathetic and we do not have to be charitable about the people that made money on a basically human trafficking to get these people here and destroy the country. That's all these NGOs. It's the Lutheran Church, the Catholic Church.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You have this Jewish family services, all of them. And if the Catholic bishops are going to throw down on this one, let's just throw down now, Megan. It's just let's go there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Hold it, hold it. The second collection, the second collection is basically going to these organizations who have no idea what they're doing except working. We went down to the border. We've actually shown this over the last couple of years. But the Catholic Charities is getting billion – they get billion-dollar programs from the federal government.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Remember, the federal government uses the NGOs to basically expedite this and work it. That's the whole CPB1 app and all of it. So the Catholic Charities is maybe the worst, but they're getting billions from the government plus – You know, the decent Catholics that go to Mass every week, that second collection, you have no idea where that second collection is going.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I tend not to panic. I can say with a fair degree of confidence that the U.S. financial system is quite safe. I couldn't have made that statement 17 years ago at all, but I think I can make that statement today. So if, again, God forbid there's a trade war, there certainly could be a recession. There could be a global recession, but you're not going to have another great financial crisis.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The U.S. is in the best negotiating position by far.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I think people need to realize that in terms of the negotiation position that the United States has versus other countries in terms of changing the terms of trade, the US is in the best negotiating position by far. And here's where facts and details matter. The percentage of US GDP that comes from exports is only 11%. That's about the lowest percentage in the world of any significant country.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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If we go country by country, China officially is at 20%. That's if you Google it, but that's really not accurate because China ships so much to countries like Vietnam and Cambodia that skirt U.S. tariffs. It's probably at least 30%. Europe, every major country in Europe is over 30%, with the exception of Germany, which is over 40%.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Canada and Mexico are probably in the worst negotiating positions possible. 35% of their GDP, respectively, comes from exports. But of that 35 points, 25 points is from just exporting stuff to the US. So look, if there's a trade war, everybody's going to be hurt. There's no question about that. But the U.S.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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will be hurt the least because we are, of all developed countries, the most insular economy of any country in the developed world.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So with respect to GDP, the U.S. over the last 25 years has become a more and more dynamic country. economy. I would argue that it's probably the more dynamic than it's ever been maybe in our history or certainly for a very, very long time. That's all to the good. What Clinton did helped usher in a bull market that has lasted with fits and starts for 25 some odd years now, maybe longer.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And all that's to the good. And people have made a lot of money in the stock market partially because of what he did. But If you travel the country, in the South, the Midwest, which used to be the industrial heartland of the United States, you come across communities where people didn't just lose their jobs, their communities got obliterated, obliterated.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And we, as a country, did nothing for these people. We basically told them, good luck to you, go learn how to code. And they didn't learn how to code. So... I think part of the motivation for President Trump is to right what really was a serious wrong.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I think they get literally borderline hysterical about it because we all went to college and we had drummed into our heads an econ 101, which everybody took. Even if you're not an economist, you took. And one of the things you learned was that free trade is good. Tariffs are bad. trade wars are terrible.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's something that is so ingrained in your head, you don't even realize anymore that it's there. And here comes President Trump telling everybody, look, the paradigm worked for some people and really badly hurt other people. We need to change the terms of trade. And people find that extremely jarring. But I think there's a lot of merit to what he's arguing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I mean, if you look around, we have the freest markets in the world. and everybody else is playing a version of mercantilism. And what I mean by that is they want to basically improve their economies by exporting a lot to the United States. And to do that, we must maintain a deficit forever. And basically, President Trump was saying, enough.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Is it time for new leadership in the Senate? Next question.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The two sides are today a lot closer. We had some really positive results.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Before this visit, there was another visit, and before that visit, the two sides were miles apart in where they were. The two sides are today a lot closer. We had some really positive results coming out of Saudi Arabia, discussions led by our National Security Advisor Mike Waltz and our Secretary of State Marco Rubio. I described my conversation with President Putin as... as equally positive.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So the two sides have, we've narrowed the differences between them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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There are regions that we all know the Russians are focused on. There is a nuclear reactor that supplies quite a bit of electricity to the country of Ukraine. That's got to be dealt with. There's access to ports. There's the Black Sea potential agreement. There's just so many elements, Margaret, to the implementation of a cease-fire here.
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And everybody is committed, all stakeholders, including the Europeans, to doing everything we need to do to get to a successful resolution here.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The mood of the country, this really jumped out. We asked folks, is it on the right direction or the wrong direction? That 44% who say right direction, that's up since November. And if that doesn't seem like a lot, the last time it cracked 40%, you gotta go back to 2012. The last time it actually hit 44 or higher, January of 2004.
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Yeah.
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This whole thing has really just been this effort to, you know, for politicians mostly, but for people to scare people, for people to tap into the unknown.
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Mm hmm.
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I always wanted it to make more sense. Like any murder, your brain wants to gravitate towards make this make sense, make this make sense. But the truth is murder never makes sense. This is a psychopathic person who does something that breaks the norm of all of our consciousness. All of our minds are just struggling with the fact that this has happened.
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So we can logically try to make it make sense, but it's not really going to make sense. It's not Hollywood where they try to make it all fit together. In real life, you're just sitting there dumbfounded like, why can somebody be killed in their bedroom?
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I talked to Hunter directly and it sucks. He had a broken soul. This is a man who's seen his best dead you know like dying like gone so um we exchanged a moment and i talked to him and he was trying to protect everyone in that house to not go through what was overwhelming him at the moment so i don't know about the details of upstairs downstairs door open door not but
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Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
But in the bigger picture, it doesn't really matter. He was literally just responding to what he probably thought was a prank, thinking his friend, his best buddy had these girls rolling. And he showed up there and he seen the opposite of our prank. And I seen it in his eyes. He was broken. He was very broken from what he had seen.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Why would you trust a politician and say, look, just let's get into the entitlements. We're going to sort it out. The people that say that, the politicians say that, don't want to do the hard work and discretionary spending. We have $1.5 trillion of discretionary spending, right? You have to attack that. You have to start that. Yes. You have to start there.
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And look, I was a naval officer for eight years. I spent four years at Sea Under Destroyer. My daughter, as you know, is a West Point grad that served in Iraq. We're hawks, but we're not endless war hawks. You've got to start with the Defense Department. The Defense Department's budget has to be cut. It just has to. You can't have a tree. We have now an NDAA at $900 billion. We can't afford it.
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The social programs have to be restructured. Once we get discretionary spending and people see that we're serious, we're serious people, and it's going to be pain. There's no doubt there's going to be pain. There is going to be pain. All the easy decisions were 10 and 20 years ago. We now have a balance sheet, 36 trillion in debt, increasing by a trillion dollars every 100 days.
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So all the easy things are gone. It's now down to the heart. Inflation is not going to go away while you have this massive spending because the debt increases and you've got to refinance a third of it every year. The math here is not that complicated. It's the political will. And hopefully, President Trump, he's got Scott Besson, he's got DeRozan, he's got a great team. But
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
People that back President Trump and people that are coming to our movement now, particularly working class African-Americans and Hispanics, have got to understand that the country needs a reorganization economically and particularly about this federal government or We're not going to be a republic in another decade. You saw this from what the assassination on the street.
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They shot a guy in the back. Some rich kid shot a guy in the back. And if you look online, 95 percent of these of these kids online, that's their living experience. I'm not saying it's proper. I'm saying that's. Where it is, we have two choices in this country.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
We need to go down this MAGA revolution, this populist nationalist revolution that's peaceful, that's now getting more and more people involved in it, more and more ethnicities, more color, more races, and more economic groups, the working class, medical class. Or you're going to have a French revolution. You can see it coming. And you can see, particularly for them, a cold-blooded assassination.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
So... The stakes couldn't be higher. And that's why this Christmas, I hope everybody steps back and really thinks where we're going with the direction of this country.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
That is the strategy. I want a different one thing. I think that also because we're a populist movement and like even when I went to prison, it's next man up. When the history of this age is written, They're not going to talk about Elon Musk or Tucker Carlson or Steve Bannon or Megyn Kelly or Roger Ailes or, you know, Sean Hannity or anybody. They're going to talk about Trump, the age of Trump.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
And they're going to talk about this movement, this populist movement, this MAGA movement. It was a reaction of the people. Now, Elon was out and ahead of it. But the revolt from the folks, as soon as they understood what was going on, was enormous. And they blew up their congressmen on the phones and with the text messages, et cetera. Now, to Elon.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
What he's, I think, presented and offered to the country is pretty extraordinary. We've talked about deconstructing the administrative state now for eight or 10 years in the Trump movement. Before that, Megan, you always know that all the conservatives wanted limited government, a small government. Nothing happened. The government expanded until President Trump came along.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
The government was just out of control. What Elon Musk gives you in Vivek is a very sophisticated way to go about this and to bring all the best management techniques out of Silicon Valley and kind of the modern American entrepreneurial enterprise. And that is unique and extraordinary. And we've got to put that to work.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
What the media is trying to do is obviously trying to separate these two guys and make them a competition. And nothing could be further from the facts. And what's happened over the last 48 hours is they broke the traditional, the 1,500-page, $350 billion giveaway to the political class and to their clients and their puppet masters. And so I thought this was extraordinary.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
We just have to make sure with the new ecosystem on the right, your show, the streaming services, the new radio programs, the the social media, particularly using Twitter as a platform and other platforms. We just have to make sure we get the word out there. Our audience, like your audience, they hunger for details. They hunger for the receipts. They hunger for the facts.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
They want to use this part of their agency. So it's more incumbent than ever that we really deliver more information, more facts, and make it actionable so that people can use our agency. So I feel pretty good about it. I think President Trump laughs this off, but you should see that to me that's kind of a last – if that's what the best they got to play – Bring it.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
If the best you got to play is that there's two Sun Kings and only one sky, right? If that's what you got, then bring it. Because I think Elon and President Trump have a great relationship. Elon put real money to work on the ground game. He didn't come in, as you've seen him so many times, Megan, particularly when you were at Fox, all these donors come in, they want all these fancy advertisements.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
He came in and put money in back of working class people going door to door. I think he understands fully what's going on. And I expect great things out of this.
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Well, first of all, he lied to everybody. It's a bald-faced lie. Look, I took a lot of grief early. I think it was – It all blends together now. The first morning of this, when the 1500 people said, oh, you know, no, he's Trump's speaker. Trump loves this guy. He's very close to Trump. And I told people this is like about 20 people contacted me because I was coming out off the chain on this thing.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
I said, I know President Trump. He's going to love him until he doesn't love him. And when he understands all the facts that he was lied to and misrepresented, and Johnson dumped this thing, 1,500 pages of a $350 billion giveaway to Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell. Once he understands the facts, he's not going to be in love with him when the guy can't deliver.
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He wants people that can deliver in the billets that they have. And Johnson is, you know, he kind of came as a compromise after after McCarthy. McCarthy. Remember, McCarthy was turfed out about the same topic spending. So, no. And I wasn't sure about taking him on because. What we have now, Megan, with this CR, these are baby steps. This was supposed to be so easy.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
To bring a clean CR, the hardest core of the ultra-mega fiscal conservatives would agree, and we hate CRs, but kick it down the road clean until President Trump comes in and then vote. The entire team can work with it. We're good with that. We will hold our nose and do that this time. This is a baby step.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Compared to what has to happen starting January 20th, not just the investigations ending these wars, deporting 15 million people, the fiscal and economic issues before us are...
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
almost catastrophic president trump can thread the needle but you needed to be like the british call it a close-run thing you all have to be in sync you all have to have communications nobody can hide the football here's how bad they did it in this 1500 as you mentioned in your opening monologue
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They included a pay raise from themselves from $173,000 to $243,000, plus they got out of paying anything for Obamacare. And they weren't upfront with it. They stuck that in the 1,500 pages. I think that was tucked into a paragraph on page 900. They tried to slip that in there without being upfront and saying, hey, we haven't had a COLA increase.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
I'm not saying you give it to them, but if they came and presented it like adults, hey, we haven't had a COLA increase in 15 years. People need to do this because they can't pay for their kids to go to school. The American people said, well, no, you're not getting a pay raise, but at least you would have understood it. They tried to hide that. That's that Washington mentality of hide the football.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
So, no, Johnson's got to go. The important thing for your audience, we have a deeper problem than just one guy. It's just like in taking the government apart and deconstructing. This is not about all these memes out there about you're fired. It's not about people, and it's not about research into the sex of crickets at Iowa State University. This is billets and programs.
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Programmatically, departments, billets, you know, boom. This has to be big hunks of stuff that we're just not going to do anymore. It's the scale and scope of a nanny state and the scale and scope of an American empire that our founders and framers never bought into. So Johnson's a...
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
a symptom of the problem he's not the problem himself but he there's no doubt he's got to go in fact i would our audience today would support a short term that just kicked to january 3rd to remove him a speaker, and then get a new speaker, and then come back and try to cut these deals.
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Now, Matt Boyle, as we came on your show, Matt Boyle just reported, I think there's 25 now congressmen that are saying that absolutely under no circumstances will they vote for Mike Johnson. So he's politically, he's yesterday's news. He's history.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
It is under the Constitution, though, that you have to be a natural born citizen to be president. Remember, the Speaker of the House is doing the line of succession. Now, I asked Mike Davis about this because this came up yesterday. MTG did this and Rand Paul. And Rand Paul is a very serious guy. He could take. the billet. You don't have to be in Congress.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
You don't have to be a natural born citizen to actually take the bill of Speaker of the House.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
If an issue came up a succession, but the vice, you know, the something had the president, the vice president couldn't take it to come to the speaker that you would have in there that would get kicked immediately to the president pro tem of the Senate, which is the third in line of succession, and they would take it. But no, hey, I'm open to I'm open to any
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
I actually happen to think it's a certain elegance to that because of the because of the situation with Doge and how Doge is going to participate, this, et cetera. I think Elon said I think he's already said he he's not interested, but it's that outside the box thinking.
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I kind of love right now because we have to think outside the box and we have to be able to do extraordinary things in an extraordinary time.
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I would be very comfortable with Megyn Kelly as speaker. I mean that. No, you know, you have no because you have common sense. You're tough as nails and nobody's going to be able to BS you. Right. So I'm all in for that. And I'm serious. Kelly, they put up Megyn Kelly and said, hey, we want Megyn Kelly down there. And I think it's time we had a conservative to right wing woman in charge of things.
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I'd be very supportive of that. In fact, I may I may I may throw that out this afternoon on my show. Yeah. Okay, I'll run that by the mister. Trump would support it 100%, no doubt about that.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
And they're not crazy about cash at FBI, which is, you know, in your legal background, how important that is. Look, to me, it's very simple. And I'm very upset that Gates was allowed to drop out or dropped out or whatever, because he did. He did provide a function. He drew fire from everybody. We wouldn't know his full name if Matt Gates was still there, which I think happened.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Listen, it is about President Trump picked a team. He wants that team. And this is why I threw in so hard for Pete last week. I mean, you know, Pete from Fox. We threw in so hard for Pete last week because they were talking about Ron DeSantis. And my point was, hey, you can't have your first two out of the box. You can't let them take out. If we do this, they're going to get to Tulsi.
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They're going to get to Bobby Kennedy. They're going to get to cash. And then all of a sudden you've got, and you hear him talking on TV, what they want to do is normalize Trump. They want to take Trump away from the, he's a blunt force instrument that's giving blunt force trauma to the system. And that's what we need right now.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
We need that armor-piercing shell, and he needs his people up in back of it that have a kind of an angle of attack on this thing. And so to me, you've got to lock in hard And you got to push everybody over. This is why I say flood the zone.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
When the new Congress is sworn into the third, I would tell them we're going to do the confirmation hearings on the fourth and get all six or seven or eight of them up there and let's get on with it. Let's flood the zone. Let's overwhelm the system and continue on the system. I want to be on offense here. I want to be pushing the football. I want to be moving the chains.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Sometimes it gets a little too passive. And we let the media, as you know, this is an information war. When you let them get
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
and start leaning into it and not on their back foot they're going to crush you because they have all these massive apparatuses right we we don't have that we have a we have audiences and we have audiences of activists that will turn out and not go suck their thumb because we're going to have some you're not going to win everything the power we have is the resilience of working class and middle class people that are down for the fight this is why we should be on offense all the time and i hope
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
that they pick up the pace a little bit on these nominations and really force their will on the Senate to get these things done. Have your confirmation hearings, but let's get on with it. And I would love to have President Trump, at least half the cabinet, at least the national security and finance guys, all approve by the time President Trump takes the oath.
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And then right after that, bang, bang, bang, you just swear in, you know, 10 to 12 people.
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I agree with you. I think I think there's some issues. I keep saying that no one should be just because we had a good week with Pete. And I think he's making a fine impression up there. Look, it's pretty extraordinary. Folks should know for a part for people because the Constitution, it is advice and consent that the Senate has.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
is essentially built after the House of Lords when we formed the Republic, has really been the Human Resources Department. One of their big functions is judges and U.S. attorneys and obviously all the, you know, 1,000 of the 4,000 people that come in to run a new government. 1,000 of those are Senate-confirmed. That's a huge, and that's what they're supposed to do, their due diligence.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
So the advice and consent they can do. I'm very worried. And people say, oh, no, these guys are going to get through now. It's pretty extraordinary to have a party when you're in charge of the Senate to actually vote against nominees. It's pretty extraordinary. It's only happened a handful of times. So I think I think but given custom and tradition, this shouldn't happen.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
But I have the same fear you have that people are lying in wait. Now, number one, as you just mentioned, who's in cycle? You know, the Tillis's of the world and the Cassidy's and the Joni Ernst. There you have to put where you have to is maximum political pressure, right, on the possibility of primaries or ultimate defeats. And for the rest, I think you've got to get up close and personal.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
President Trump is going to have to work this. This is one where I don't think he should have gotten involved in the House and he got sucked into it because of Johnson's incompetence and malfeasance on this one. He's going to have to – at the end, he's going to have to whip some votes.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
And I think there's going to be some horse trading at the end, that some people are going to get some stuff to get these through. But listen – President Trump is an extraordinary character, unique in American political history. That cabinet is extraordinary. You've got Bobby Kennedy from Democratic Royalty.
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You have Tulsi Gabbard, who I think the world of, who is a Democratic congressman and kind of a progressive, but principally, one of the leaders of the American First Movement as overall intelligence, where even the CIA reports to her.
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You have Pete Hegseth, who's a combat vet, but we've never had a combat vet at that age actually run the Pentagon that's now the biggest industrial complex in the world. You have Kash Patel, who I think has a tremendous record in counterintelligence, terrorism, all that, which you need in the FBI, but has made a point that he's going to restructure the FBI.
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And quite frankly, he sees that there are going to be a number of areas that we have to do serious investigations on. So these are all outside the box picks. And that means you're going to have to do some. It's a heavy lift, but you have to do it.
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I think President Trump will eventually be involved here and actually whip in the votes as we get down to the end, because I share your absolute concern that this is a long way from over, folks.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Also for your audience, I do not, at the end of the day, I think you're going to have one or two Democrats, folks. Watch Fetterman. Watch Fetterman, who had many America First and MAGA leanings. He's obviously got some very progressive stuff on the social side, but his position on the takeover of U.S.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
steel by the Japanese, a lot of his economic positions, this guy wrote Kahane in the House, but particularly Fetterman in the Senate. He's very pro-Israel. He supports President Trump's policies in the Middle East. Fetterman could be a guy That and I think you already said it was Pam Bond. He's already said somebody he's already met with and he's a yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I see him as a potential yes on a Tulsi Gabbard. Right. I see him as a potential yes on a Bobby Kennedy. So Fetterman and maybe one other Democrat may be there to give you some headroom that you not normally have and not be held up by Mitch McConnell. I mean, Mitch McConnell is is going to have a gun to her head on this thing. There's no doubt about that.
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Six months outside a year. But the first 100 days, first six months, you've got to be getting all three. He's got to personally get involved in the bringing to a conclusion the Ukraine war. And I think also this Middle East situation, particularly with the Persians getting close to a nuclear weapon, as he warned about.
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And I think on the border, the first reconciliation, Miller and Homan, the deportations, building the wall. and then the financial and economic crisis. He's got, I think, outside a year, I would put it as, for planning purposes, 100 days to six months, you've got to get on with it. And I mean, this is my point. You've got to be driving this thing every day.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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political class is infected with a malignant cancer. That cancer is bipartisanship. Was there any bipartisanship in Scott Pressler going around for the last four years and changing the makeup of the electorate in Pennsylvania or in Arizona? Was there any? No. The conversation is over. President Trump
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I wouldn't even take off, if we were on the team, I wouldn't even take off Even Christmas Day now, I'd be grinding every second of every day because they're lying in wait. And remember, they're going to put a billion dollars in the back of Hakeem Jeffries to flip a handful of seats in the House on the House side in 26.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And the first thing Hakeem Jeffries is going to do because he promises it to his donors is impeach Trump. We're not out of this. We're far from being out. Even everything we accomplished. extraordinary you and everybody on the media side in this new ecosystem, inspiring people, the people coming out and do it.
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This is a people's victory, but November 5th, you got to understand that's just like that gets you to the table to start the fight. And it's going to be brutal. They're going to pull out. They have, they will pull out every stop. You've already seen this and what they've tried to do, president Trump and their goal and objective is to flip the house and
The Megyn Kelly Show
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In two years, and Hakeem Jeffries, the first thing he'll move is impeachment on Trump and maybe many people in the cabinet. So folks have got to understand this is a political war. And we're at the very beginning of this. Don't think the great work we did on November 5th means anything to these people. They could care less.
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They're going to fight with every tool they have and legal tool, political tool, information tool, deal from the bottom of the deck, do things that are unfair. So it's – and I'm not even talking about our foreign enemies, the Chinese Communist Party, the Persians, the KGB in Moscow. This is – and, oh, by the way, you've got 10 to 15 million illegal aliens just on Biden's watch.
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I'm not even considering the people here before just on his watch. So – Stakes are high, let's say six months to the outside.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This is what gets back to this concept called reconciliation. They have this thing, it's too technical to get into, but there are this instrumentality called a reconciliation where you don't have to get cloture in the Senate. You don't have to get the 60 votes. It's majority. They come up every so often as kind of a reconciliation of the budget.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They're technically – you've got to really thread the needle to use them. But we actually have the ability to do two reconciliations as currently interpreted, I think, by the parliamentarian in this – after Trump is – takes office. And the talk is – to use one reconciliation immediately right after his inauguration. And that is solely for the purpose of the border and immigration.
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And you only need 51 votes. So you get the change that you need, right? And this is legislation. So Trump hits you with 50 executive orders, just like we did in 16, and like Biden did to reverse it. So you've got all these executive orders, unwinds, all the madness of Biden. You've also got a reconciliation bill that you jammed through with the majority.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And that's got not just some changes, but as importantly, it gives Holman and Miller some real power. You're not going to – it's nowhere in these budgets to start the deportation of these people. People are saying it's going to cost $800 billion a year. It's not.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But they at least get some powder to build the wall, to do other security in the border, to help in those areas in the southern border and actually in the cities because every – Every town's a border town now. Every state's a border state. So it's taking on the sanctuary cities. There's resources and money in a law that's done. And that's done day one, I hope, by the 20th.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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came back from the political dead, and on the shoulders of the most powerful populist movement in the history of the world, brought in every demographic, every ethnicity, every gender in every part of the country, and won a landslide victory. All the battleground states, every demographic, and the popular vote. We have nothing else to discuss.
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That's what they should be working on or shortly thereafter. And that gives and that begins the process. I also think and we can't be fantasists here. You know, I want all 12 to 15 million gone, not just the criminals. I think you start there. I believe you have to have a sit down. And some of this is happening behind the scenes. You have to go to the frontline countries in Central America.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You have to get the Mexicans involved. And she's already said in the last 24 hours, I'm prepared to take guys back. But you have to sit down with them and work out arrangements that, you know, even economically are going to help here because we're going to be sending a lot of people back. And we're empathetic people, right? We're not cruel people.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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We're just not going to do this and give them a bus ticket. It's not going to work like that. And you want to take that club out of the media's hands. I think he does some sort of summit, Mar-a-Lago, Rio Grande Valley, you pick it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But we start a formal process of how, beyond the criminal element, you start getting these people to take back, you include, I think, a couple of South American countries, like, for instance, where the Haitians, hundreds of thousands of Haitians have been there. There's a way to do this. The guy you want in a room to do that is Donald Trump. This is a big deal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You get reconciliation, you get money, start a formal process. Trump gets guys in the room. You start the second formal process. By the time you're six months to nine months into this by Labor Day, we've got traction. This is happening, right? The border's sealed. People are not coming across. We stopped playing the games on the migrant situation, asylum. All those games are stopped.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And you've begun a process of the criminals and the others he talks about from the insane asylums. That's in movement. Plus, countries are your partners to take these folks back and to work it out. And if they don't, Then you talk about the tariffs. You bring the tariffs. You bring economic nationals or access to the American market.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Remember, our market is the most lucrative market in the world for countries. So you have to you got to negotiate. And Trump will use he and Navarro Navarro. And he worked this out in 18 and 19 with the with the Mexican government. So but that that priority is and that's that lane. And that's got to hit. You've got to hit that hard. You got to hit it fast. You got to hit it right away.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So you have the three lines of work that are major. Stop the wars, get the finance and debt in shape, the economy growing again, and the border. Then you have to have, and this is not about personal revenge, because people in the Financial Times think Susie Wiles is quoted quite rightly, that the best revenge is the golden age of Trump and the sunlit uplands. I agree with that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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However, this is not about Trump. It's not about Steve Bannon went to prison or Peter Navarro or Tina Peters or anything. We have to do this for the country. This can never allow to be happen. This can never, we can't allow this to ever happen again.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's only about the execution of President Trump's plan. All we hear in the mainstream media is how they have to have quiet time. They got psychologists over at the State Department patting them on the head. They're too tired. There's no resistance because they can't take it anymore. Fuck you. We're going to go win.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The Washington Post, excuse me, the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times, Megan, as you know, over the last 72 hours has been reporting and the Daily Mail puts up a lead. Now from people in the White House, they don't know if Biden was even in charge from day one. The investigations, number one, on the vast criminal conspiracy
The Megyn Kelly Show
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from the Justice Department and the FBI to New York State to Fannie Willis to all of it on the vast criminal conspiracy against President Trump with lawfare has to be with complete open sunshine exposure. That has to be investigated. It just does, whether it's at the House, at the Justice Department, and the FBI. But also, we have to get into this entire situation of the Biden White House.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Why was the 22nd Amendment called? We have to never allow these games to be played again. And by the way, on the vast criminal conspiracy, I do believe some media people are going to be brought into that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Because I think once you start looking at text messages, once you start looking at emails, I think you're going to see that people, there were people, as you know, MSNBC and some of these publications like the New York Times and the Washington Post, that we're in on this. And so I think the investigations, we need this for the American people.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That's kind of a sidebar that's going to take its own momentum. But you see the people he's put in the Justice Department around Pam Bondi. If you see Kash Patel, we're not going to back off. We owe this to the country. This does not have anything to do with going to prison with Liz Cheney, with the illegitimate committee. But we have to get to the roots of what that was. We have to get to J6.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Sunlight. Not security. I call it a fedsurrection. The only way to do it is complete, open, Sunshine.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Madam Speaker, it's got a ring to it. It's got a ring to it. I've got enough problems in my life, Steve. Irish gal and an Irish gal on top of it. It's got a ring to it.
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Merry Christmas. Thank you, Megan.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Thank you, Megan. Thank you for having me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Exactly. You know, it was totally phony about what they reached out to in 2021. They were trying to crush people with lawfare, bankrupt them, debank them. We just won a sweeping mandate, and it's time to execute the mandate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I mean, one of the reasons you have this fiasco on Capitol Hill in the last 48 hours is still the reflex position or the default position of our political class on the conservative and Republican side is always to reach out and to work and really submit to the Washington cartel mentality. And President Trump, we want a mandate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's only about executing, and we don't have a lot of time to get ready for that. Like you said, we're 30 days away, and we got to get on it like day one. I mean, his list of to-do is just huge, and that's what the focus should be, not this phony unity. Look, to me, they...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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essentially are telling you the 2020 election was stolen for the simple reasons that they're treating Trump like the president all over the world. Biden has kind of faded. Now you have articles coming out in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times. Well, he never really was president. He was infirmed from day one. They knew it. Nobody invoked the 22nd Amendment. So
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This is, to me, Megan, look, I think we're partisans. We should go ultra-partisan, at least for the first six months to a year, to get the agenda done and no prisoners.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But here's what I think is important. The fiscal year of the government runs out on September 30th. The appropriations of the budget all should have been done because of the election year, the kind of Republican establishment wanted to kick the can down the road. So they started with the CR even on October 1st.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And what we know from October and November, from the numbers that have been put out by the government, we've had the two biggest deficit months in recorded history. $674 billion of deficits in the first two months are going to be almost $800 billion to $1 trillion in the first 90 days of this fiscal year.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Right now, we're adding about a trillion dollars of new debt through deficits every 100 days. I called this a year ago, and this is what's happened. The projection, Megan, for 400 days from now, basically the one-year anniversary of President Trump's inauguration of the 20th, is $40 trillion in debt.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So in that context, this whole thing of another CR, because people would just say, let's get this thing sorted now. The CR was to kick it into past January 20th.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So President Trump would have an attempt with Russ Vought at OMB, in Vivek, in Elon at Doge, to actually come up with the House members and actually come up, because all taxes and all spending have to come from the House, according to the Constitution, that President Trump would have a thing to, so this is going to be a very simple kick it into past 20th and maybe give them a couple of months.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Let's say March. Because we hate CRs. What happened, and you saw Johnson spending all this time with Elon and he's going to UFC, he's walking into the UFC. He's at the Army-Navy game in the box. He's spending a ton of time with President Trump in Mar-a-Lago and with Vivek and Elon. And what happens is he drops this thing the other day that needs to be voted in 24 hours. It's 1,500 pages. It is.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And remember the CR itself, because when you do continue resolutions, you're just basing it upon the approved spending from the previous year. So the CR in, in, in for the 90 days in any one quarter is about a half a trillion dollars in spending or almost, you know, on top of that, he layered on new spending of about $300 billion. This is a 800, almost a trillion dollar package. So, but worse than,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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80% of it was Hakeem Jeffries. And if you look at the 1,500 pages, you're a lawyer. This is a highly negotiated legal document. It's ready to be made into a law, not an executive order. This is a law. It's 1,500 pages in total giveaway to the Democrats. I mean, biolabs in Ukraine, more stuff on the pandemic, more stuff backing Fauci.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The Global Engagement Center, the thing that you and Mike Benson and others ran about all the time, that's fully funded for another year. This was 80 to 90 percent of Democratic priorities. And now we know, as we peel it back, that Schumer, McConnell, Hakeem Jeffries basically negotiated with this guy, and he didn't tell anybody.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The problem is he dropped it on people, another $800 billion in spending. Nobody planned on, never got Trump in the loop, never got Vivek and Elon in the loop. And then lied about it even on Fox. He goes on Fox and Friends in the morning, says, well, I'm going to message Shane with Vivek and Elon.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I walked him through that we only have a couple of votes in the House and they're all fine with this. Well, they weren't fine with it at all. And the more you peel it back, it's terrible. So that got thrown out. And then you had this whole fiasco.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And President Trump, I think, feeling he wasn't being dealt with straight, started to put some demands, particularly said, I want to increase the debt ceiling. I don't want to get too technical, but there's a number of instruments called reconciliation that will take place early in President Trump's second term that the debt ceiling issue can be incorporated in there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I hope what they're doing, first off, if this has got to be what it is to shut the government down. Let's just shut it down and wait till Trump gets there. And they're going to try to extract as much pain on the American people. They're going to tell TSA to go home, although TSA are vital personnel. They're going to shut down the airports over Christmas.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I mean, Biden would extract a lot of pain from the American people. But I think you've got to say at some point in time, enough is enough. Now, it turns out, Megan, up there, I think what they're intended now is it looks like they're going to break it down into three groups. separate bills, a clean CR that just kicks it like they should, just 90 days with nothing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It just says we're going to continue the spending, kick it out to March 20th, which was the original plan. Then this farm bill, because the farmers are under pressure and the banks, they're not getting paid. It'll be a separate bill, 10 or 20 billion for the farmers. And then the last will be the relief of FEMA, which normally would have to have an offset because we have tough decisions to make.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I'm not sure the FEMA money is not there. They're just not paying it. Biden's just
The Megyn Kelly Show
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putting the 110 billion 110 billion what normally we would have offsets for that that's an offset measure but because in the hurry and i said listen this is how you get 40 trillion of debt but and i'm not so sure fema doesn't have the cash right now i think that's a biden regime putting the screws to maga in western north and western north carolina and florida
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But be as it may, there'll be a separate vote on that. And what I understand the latest, just when I sat down with you, is that the cuts and offsetting cuts and the deaths that will be dealt with in the first reconciliation, which will be about the border. And I would hope that that's there in the 20th. Bottom line for your audience.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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have a very dysfunctional system and johnson's got to go maybe we can talk about that but it's not just individuals not just personnel we have a systemic problem and the systemic problem is we are like a heroin addict we are addicted addicted to federal spending it's the cause of inflation and it's going to destroy this country of everything trump's got to do stopping these endless wars
The Megyn Kelly Show
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seal the border and deportations of the 12 to 15 million. The one that's the toughest is to the intervention to break the addiction to spending and to get our hands around, to get our arms around this out of control, you know, budget and national debt. Or when you're around the Christmas tree with your husband, look at your children and just understand that we're passing them
The Megyn Kelly Show
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a catastrophe and a crisis that will make 2008 in the great depression look like garden parties.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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When politicians tell you that, that is a problem. Listen, the little guy out there, he has one thing. He has a contract. Here's a contract for Social Security. It's $1,200 a month, and he's got the Medicare. It ain't a lot, but it's what he's got. And he's not going to give it up. Look at this fiasco the last 40 hours.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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If I was in charge of the Fed, I wouldn't be doing anything right now. Because if President Trump strikes a deal with every single country, the economy will take off and then you would not have wanted to have cut rates. On the other hand, if we go into a trade war, there'll be a recession, you'll cut rates. The impact of the Fed right now, either way, is marginal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The entire stock market and global economy has been narrowed down right now to literally one variable, President Trump and what happens in the negotiations that he has with all these countries. Period. Nothing else matters.
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Around the rim of the Eurasian landmass, you have these four big nodes, and there you have commercial relationships, capital markets, trade deals, which were upside down on everyone on. You have some sort of a little bit of cultural back and forth, but you have an American security guarantee. It's the reason our defense budget is a trillion bucks. It's the reason our dollar has value.
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A guy named Dave Bossy I was making films for as a documentary director said, you know, what are you doing tomorrow? I was editing a couple of films. I said, well, I'm editing these films. I've got to get out before the election in September. And he says, well, can you go up and take a meeting with me tomorrow? And I go, no. And he says, well, I really need you to come with me. And I go, why?
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It has value, but that dollar during the – yes, we're the prime reserve currency after Bretton Woods, and that's how you have to – we took it over from the Brits. That's how you run an empire. We were a hegemon, at least for a moment in time.
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But the question – and now because of the drop in purchasing power, the inverse of inflation over Biden's thing, this is why you have the BRICS nations saying, hey, maybe we got to get on a different system. Tell people the BRICS nations. BRICS are Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. Started with that.
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These nations that have natural resources that were kind of binding together saying, hey, the West, right, really Western Europe and particularly the United States are screwing us, right? We are selling them their natural resources at dollars, and these dollars are depreciated over time. They're doing a devaluation on us. And so they were going to bind together first.
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They kind of figure almost like think about, hey, how do we how do we redo the cartels like the OPEC back in the 90s? Think of that. Then it became maybe maybe our combined purchasing power. Maybe we do another currency. We bundle together. Maybe it's China. The CCP was always trying to destroy the U.S.
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And Trump just comes out the other day and says, hey, BRICS nations, I love the fact you're having conferences and talking about some sort of go back security. Anybody even thinks about put 100 percent tariff on everything. Right. To try to blow them up.
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But back to the financial crisis, you have a collapse. And here's the problem I got with them. It's not capitalism. You've socialized the risk. In other words, if it collapses, the little guy bails it out. But you've given unlimited upside to the elites. In the history of this nation, the greatest concentration of wealth in our history took place in the Obama administration.
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On the surface of it, he's the most progressive guy, and he's doing some stuff, but that's all pro-wrestling. And where it really matters, money and power, they have the greatest concentration of wealth to the top 1% because what they did is they took the balance sheet of the Federal Reserve, which is about $880 billion.
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and Bush was there, and they basically flooded the zone with liquidity to prop up real assets, real estate assets, and stocks and bonds. And so if you owned financial or real assets, that run you had, which you had nothing to do with, they took the interest rates to zero.
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And by the way, if zero interest rates kills the little guy, because you've got your little passbook savings account or checking account, you get no interest. So for those five or six years when interest rates are near zero, big guys can borrow the money, but you're sitting there and you have no capital accumulation because your little savings account, checking account has no interest on it.
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He says, well, I'm going to go up and meet Donald Trump. I go, that's great. But, you know, I'm slammed. I'll just I don't need to meet Trump. I'll just skip the meeting. He goes, no, no, you got to come up because making a presentation. He's thinking about potentially running for president. And he wants to go through what it would take in a primary. And I said, of what country? Right.
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So everything was to benefit the wealthy and the power guys. And quite frankly, Geithner and the people at the Fed knew this, and they had some guy named – Christopher Leonard wrote a book called The Lords of Easy Money. He went back and read all of the all of the conferences and meetings of the Federal Reserve governors, which, by the way, is kept secret for 10 years.
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He went back to the 10 year and he's got the transcripts where the guy I think was Dick Fisher in the Fed chair in in Dallas. is sitting there when they're doing this, he goes, hey, you understand we're going to eviscerate the working class in this country. We're going to destroy the middle class. We're propping up this entire bailout on these guys' shoulders and they get nothing.
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In fact, not only are they going to pay for it, they're going to get crushed because of these zero interest rates of which they can't get access to capital. That's exactly what happened. That's the time I realized every time you've had a financial crisis in the world, you've had a populist reaction. And that's when I said this will – now, it didn't meet Trump until years later.
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I really get to know him politically until like 2013 or 14. But I knew as sure as the turning of the earth, you were going to have a populist reaction to that. You had it first in the Tea Party, and then later you had it in the Trump MAGA movement. But this has played out. pretty much to the way that it normally plays out. And we're still in a terrible situation. We haven't gotten to 2008.
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More importantly, nobody associated with that collapse that made all that money and all those fees beforehand. Nobody's been held accountable. Nobody.
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Cozy, it owns the government. It's not cozy, it owns the government. Lock, stock, and barrel.
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Well, at the same time, around right after 2000, around 2008, this is when Obama became aware of the power of social media. There's this famous meeting at San Francisco airport where the guys at Facebook come to him with his team and they tell him about the power of Facebook because he's running as a populist outsider against the Clinton machine. Nobody gives Obama a chance.
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He's an anti-war populist outsider. Nobody gives him a chance at first against the Clinton apparatus, right? The Clinton mafia. He does this, a lot of it's through social media. They have an implicit bargain later with the oligarchs in what I call the algorithmic age. They allow the Facebooks, the Twitters, the Googles, all the big platforms, the big platforms that charge.
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It's just not, it's just not feasible at the time. I didn't think. And then, so we went up, made up Dave is probably a four hour presentation. I gave the kind of the populist part of it. And I realized right away what a serious guy he is. I tell people he's the only person in that time. I spent a ton of time in DC and of course, obviously in New York, but I said, what would take,
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They essentially reach a Faustian pact, which is we're a hegemon globally, right? And what we need to do in the age of the algorithm is keep the commanding heights of technology. So we make an implicit deal with the oligarchs. You're going to have no Justice Department interference, no Federal Trade Commission interference. We're not going to try to break you up.
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They're going to have no antitrust pressure at all. We're going to allow you to become the richest people on earth. OK, and and and but. You have to give us the commanding heights in the age of algorithm. And what have we found out? That we're, what, 10 or 12 years into this, and we know in the age of algorithm, social media and AI, they've blown them both.
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On social media, if you look at our social media, it's fairly cumbersome. It's not exactly revolutionary. TikTok is much bigger. TikTok is not just bigger. It's so much more sophisticated, a thousand times. The Chinese Communist Party, it's so lethal. Because of its addictive nature, TikTok is not on mainland China.
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They have a version of TikTok that's not so addictive, and they don't let the content they let in the West. This is how powerful it is. We've blown it as far as social media goes. There are orders of magnitude more sophisticated than we are, and ours is quite addictive, but theirs is much more. But then on... Artificial intelligence is even worse. Now, what do you think?
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Deep Seek is a PSYOP or a Sputnik moment? Right. It's both bad. But I think you have to further the fact it may be a Sputnik moment. They are basically saying that our theory of the case in artificial intelligence was kind of mass… Machine learning, right? Power through and you need all this new energy for the data centers. They're saying that theirs is a totally different profile.
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So what happens? We've lost the commanding heights in the two very technologies in the algorithmic age. We made the Faustian bargain on with these guys. There's 75 electric vehicle companies. Google has Bing and DuckDuckGo. There's no competition for Google. There's no competition of Facebook. There's no competition Amazon.
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Amazon destroyed half the small businesses in this country, flooding the zone with Chinese Communist Party product. There's no competition to really competition to X or to Twitter because we let them go. And there's no Justice Department. That's why I'm a neo-Brandeisian when it comes to the Justice Department. I'm a Lena Kahn fan.
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If she had been allowed, and look, here's Kamala. When Steve Bannon talks about Lena Kahn 10 times more than Biden, and particularly Kamala Harris, that tells you it's a fix that's in the Democratic Party. It's controlled by all these corporatives. This is the thing of Trump. You've got Gayle Slater. You've got Andrew Ferguson.
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You then have Mike Davis and others in War Room that are neo-Brandeisians and kind of think, hey, Linda Kahn, we'd love to have her back. Explain that term to people. From Brandeis, Judge Justice Brandeis, Louis Brandeis, had this theory back in the 30s that you have to watch out for private concentrations of power that would then partner with government.
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If you wanted to get to a totalitarian government, right, you would have major concentrations of private power built around monopolistic –
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Yeah, exactly. And, and says that is a danger to Liberty and freedom right now. He was, he was an FDR guy, et cetera. You've had it. Then a school came up and kind of the eighties from Chicago called the Chicago school that really looked at it from consumer pricing, right? That everything's got to be to the benefit of the consumer. And so we'll go, it's kind of a gentle way to go on antitrust.
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Exactly, exactly. Or even in competition, when they look at mergers, what's the price? And they do all these kind of Cato, it's a very libertarian school. It hasn't worked.
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And so in neo-Brandeisian is to get back to what Louis Brandeis said is that these great concentrations, which was really – That's the last time.
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hours to explain to somebody at Goldman Sachs and McKinsey about the Chinese Communist Party and the trade deficit and everything that they wouldn't believe because they think we're like building each other's country. Trump got immediately. I mean, he had a very deep understanding of China, had a very deep understanding of the trade deficit. He was kind of a student of Lou Dobbs.
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You'll get that. Yeah. What Brandeis saw, though, is the Chinese Communist Party's model. Remember, we did all this after Tiananmen Square when Bush 41 sent Scowcroft over to say, no, we're going to get you. You've got to calm down this political stuff. But we see you as a partner on the manufacturing side on a global basis. We will get you in the World Trade Organization.
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We will give you most favored nation status. We'll do all this. And the theory they said, oh, we will take the Chinese Communist Party and turn them into a liberal democracy. These will all become Jeffersonian Democrats. The exact opposite happened. We recreated their model of state capitalism and authoritarian power. And that's what you have today with the oligarchs in Silicon Valley.
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Now, here's the beauty of it. Here's how great the oligarchs are. That we've made them the richest people on earth. We've made them some of the most powerful people on earth. And then exactly when they're exposed for being phonies and what you made the Faustian bargain for on both social media and particularly artificial intelligence, what do they do? They flip. Hold it.
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Let me get to the flip in a second. They turn around and say, we need a bailout. They say, all you hear right now is that in this city, you're hearing, we need a Marshall plan. We need a Mercury astronauts plan. We need to turn over all the national labs, the weapons labs, Lawrence Livermore, Sandia, where they made the nuclear weapon, the hydrogen bomb.
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We need to turn all the national labs to the guys in Silicon Valley because now we've had a Sputnik moment and the Chinese Communist Party have taken the commanding heights. I go, hang on a second. This is a – and they're talking $500 billion to a trillion-dollar bailout for the exact same guys that did this. In addition – understanding the math, right?
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And Elon understood it first, given his engineer's brain, and really backed our play. But the rest of them hung out until 11 o'clock p.m. Eastern Standard Time on the 5th of November when Pennsylvania fell. When Pennsylvania fell, you know, Zucker, Bezos, all of them became populist nationalists. They go, we're in. And they got down with their checks to Mar-a-Lago, genuflected. Right.
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And became supplicants to Trump. And this is why I say these guys are dangerous. They're all progressive Democrats. They were they were made what they are by the Obama administration. They're all progressive Democrats. They are totally phony. All they want to do is go to where the source of money is so they can keep being oligarchs.
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Because right now, if you look at them and look at who the theoreticians they look for with it, They're not really on the spectrum of like MSNBCs here and war rooms here and some guys are more open borders and Globus and others are hardcore populist nashers. They're on a whole other spectrum, and that spectrum is what I call techno-feudalism. They've been taken out of the world of capitalism.
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It's no longer markets and profits since we haven't allowed any competition and allowed these massive companies to They are really digital platforms in rent. They're rent seekers, okay? And their idea is very feudalistic. It's like Venice in the 15th century. It is that the railhead is like the liege lord with the digital platform, and everybody else is a peasant or what I call a digital serf.
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Lou Dobbs had been hammering this for 20 or 30 years. And Trump religiously watched Lou Dobbs and then, of course, read all the papers and came to a very different conclusion than the elites in this country that are The relationship with China at the time was healthy for the country. It was not. And Trump knew that not just intuitively. He had a very deep understanding of that.
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And this is how you're going to run it. And they have this network. They call it the network state. There's books out about it now. It's talk about it. And this is what these guys believe, and it's quite dangerous. Yeah. This is why I think you've seen the impersonal nature of what's happening at Doge, which I support going after the administrative state.
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Let's talk about three things on Elon. Number one, and where his biggest supporters have given him more credit than anybody. Number one, he was the first of the oligarchs, because I think of his engineering brain, to really look at where we were politically. And he worked through the math to say, hey, look,
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This Trump thing is actually this this populist nationalist movement, which is what I call MAGA plus plus low information voters, plus part of the make America healthy again. These these housewives who were red pilled during the during the pandemic. Yeah. particularly about what their children were being taught in school. That's right.
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And the health thing with the mask, kind of the Nicole Shanahan crowd, right? That's right. Malibu moms. Now, around Trump, there's always, you have to understand, there's always a countervailing tension with Trump, with people who want Trump to be more Trump, right?
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Versus those who say, you've got to calm down, you've got to be nice, and look for the mythic, traditional suburban mom that if you say nice or things, she'll vote for you. I keep saying that's never going to happen. Elon came in at a time in the campaign in the spring and summer of 2024 when that was actually being talked about.
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He sat down with Charlie Kirk's guys and worked through the math of a ground game, a ground game we supported to do this MAGA+. The brother wrote a quarter of a billion dollars in checks, $250 million, $50 million a month over five months.
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And I tell people, if you don't know about American Politics Day, when you see huge donors like the Adelsons or the Mercers and people putting in $100 million, $150 million, that's over a cycle, a presidential cycle. This brother wrote $250 million. In the last five months, 50 a month to back a ground game, not to put it up on fancy commercials, which most of the billionaires get picked off with.
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Number one, he backed our play. Would President Trump have won without that? Yes, but we wouldn't have known that answer at 10 or 11 o'clock on Tuesday the 5th. That would have probably taken a couple of days to work through. And I'm not so sure we'd have had 53 guys in the U.S. Senate, probably 51. It would have been much tighter, okay? And it was tight enough already.
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So he definitely had a huge aspect. Number two, he immediately got, like nobody else has got, the deconstruction of the administrative state. He understands that we have a fourth branch of government That's not in the Constitution. That's kind of a permanent government. And they don't care if Trump's passing through or AOC or Bernie Sanders are passing through.
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They run the deal like they're going to run. And here's what it is. When you take over the government, when you win, you get 4,000 people. You get 3,000 that can hit the day place running immediately. OK, all you need there is basically a security clearance. Right. A pass on drugs, right, and a security clearance. And you can go and you can staff at these mid-level and junior levels immediately.
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And so when I left – and he also – he would ask me because it was the Tea Party. Right. That November was the biggest – The Republican Party won 63 seats in the House.
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You get 1,000 that have to be Senate-confirmed. Those are your senior people. But you have 4,000. In the government, you have about 2.5 or 3 million civilians. You have about 2.5 million to 3 million military. So let's say 5 to 6 million there. Plus you have contractors. Another at executive level, another five million. So it makes sense.
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You have about 10 million people that run this apparatus that that cost six and a half to seven trillion dollars a year to run. Right. Or to it transfers money, but it costs a huge amount of money to run. Plus it oversees, I don't know, 60 or 70 trillion dollars of assets. Right. All the land, all the oil, everything that we control.
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That apparatus is so out of control that in order to get down to a sustainable model where we can actually get close to a balanced budget, it's got to be deconstructed. You have to take that apart, right? It's got to be made smaller. And you've got to make some tough decisions. Because programmatically, they do a lot of things.
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And quite frankly, with the economic distress we have and the corporations bailing on paying decent wages because they've invited the world in here to compete with American labor in American labor's home, that you have more working class people. on Medicaid. You have more people on economic, you know, security, like, like food stamps.
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So it's, it's a tough call, but, but he saw immediately, this is how you have to do it. And if you're ever to get to the deep state, which is the aspects of the Pentagon intelligence community intelligence, you got, you got it. See, and CIA people should know. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I came to this. Right. Through hard evidence of seeing it in the first term. Yeah.
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You basically have the CIA. You have aspects of the DNI crowd, which is 17 separate intelligence.
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It was a massive thing for the Tea Party. And Trump – so I was given – Dave was kind of a standard stock Republican, conservative. I was giving him the Tea Party and the populist nationalist pitch. And Trump goes, well, that's what I am. And a popularist. And I go, no, no, no, no. It's populist. And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, popularist. And I go, no, it's actually a populist.
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Intelligence, which has everything. Everybody's got NSA. They can look into your funds. They know everything that's going on. Everything. Then you've got the Justice Department with aspects of that, and you've got DHS with ATF and others. You've got the FBI. You have elements of the Defense Department like DIA. That is the deep state.
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And what I say is it's like the Praetorian Guard in the Roman Empire. They are actually so powerful now. That they can decide, like the Praetorian Guard is, who's the emperor and who's not. This is why they turfed out Trump and they basically plugged in Biden.
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The only difference I would make, you're 100% correct. It's not parallel. It is the command structure. When you sit there and – get a briefing from these people, they will look you in the eye and lie to you. What I was put in charge in the first days of working with people like Eric Prince and others to come to a plan, the president wanted out of Afghanistan.
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We'd already been there, I think going on 18 or 19 years in, in the Pentagon, in the apparatus. And I keep saying, I never called it the deep state. It says not a deep state. It's up in your face. Right. Right. And they will sit there and make up their own numbers and lie to you. Just, I talked to him at one time. I said, listen, I gave him some points in time about briefings I won.
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I said, I want to see the briefing about Afghanistan over the 20 years. This time, this time, this time, this time, this time. And because I knew what they were going to show. They were going to show every time whether the president was Bush or Obama. That, hey, we're here. If we just have more money in three years, it's going to be perfect. It's like seeing these small companies.
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It's the Council on Foreign Relations, everybody. It's definitely the outside companies, but it's also the guys like Brennan. It's people who have been here forever, been in the intelligence community.
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Bad dude. As a very dangerous individual. He's a dangerous person. Dangerous, but there's... Clapper's a dangerous guy. There's a hundred. Clapper, Hayden, those are the guys you see at the very top. Yeah. But they also have coaching trees like Belichick, et cetera. Of course. So it's deep into the apparatus. And the apparatus, and this is the thing they have, Called the interagency.
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Did they have anyone in the Trump White House the first one? Yeah. OK. So I asked Mike Flynn. I said, look, let me see the charts for this is the first day. I want to see the charts for the National Security Council. When I came off sea duty in the 70s and came back, I came back to the Pentagon to be a special assistant to the chief of naval operations, basically a junior officer grand dune.
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This is in 1981 when Reagan was like – the guys in the Pentagon at that time thought the National Security Council ran the world. The National Security Council had 25 people. You had Kissinger. You had Brzezinski. And then they picked Richard V. Allen because they didn't want some Dr. Strangelove type. Reagan didn't. That had 25 or 30 people.
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And the guys in the Pentagon said these fuckers run the world, right? They're too powerful. Flynn comes back on the first – like the first day he goes down with Jared and the president. He's got these charts like this. It's like – I said, Mike – I didn't want to see the entire National Security Opera. I don't see the Pentagon. He goes, no, no. This is the National Security Council. I go, what?
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292 ballots. If you look at it, they're into everything. And I go, my God. I said, how many political appointees we got? He says about 40 or 50. I said, well, hey, heck, no offense. We don't know 40 or 50 MAGA guys that step in there right now. We have to get rid of some of these. These are called detailees. They come from the Pentagon. They come from the CIA. They come from DNI.
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And he goes, no, it's a popularist. So I just quit trying to change it. And then on the train on the way back, we took the Acela back. And I'm sitting there thinking about the meeting. And I turned to Bosney. I said, you know, he actually understands things at a deeper level. Right. I understand what he means by it. I think I get what he means by populist. Remember, he's a McLuhan-esque figure.
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They come from DHS. It's essentially the way the deep state runs the system. They have – think about it. With 292 billets – Billets meaning? Slots where a person goes. It's 292 bodies, but they have a billet boom where they plug a person in. We wanted to get rid of those.
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No, in fact, it's impossible. First of all, you don't even have the allocation of political appointees.
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So that's the thing. So by making it larger. And they have a phrase. I call it their fetish. They have a thing called the interagency process. In other words, everything has to go through – the CIA has got to sign off. The State Department – you've got to remember, the CIA has a military aspect to it. The State Department has an intelligence aspect to it.
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The deep state is like kudzu, and it's run by the CIA. The CIA controls behind the scenes.
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Well, the CIA reports to, first off, an elite class of Americans have just been, you know, from OSS to the CIA, very Ivy League. When I talk about the credential class, the traditional control of the CIA has been kind of Ivy League. Harvard, Yale, Harvard Law School. Yes, Princeton. A little bit of that's changed, but not the mentality.
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The very mentality is that they are the guardians of this republic. That's right. Right. And you have these politicians, whether they're clowns like Bill Clinton or neophytes like Obama or dangerous individuals like Trump, they can wander in and out. But they are the guardians of the republic, very like Plato's guardians. They are the guardians of this republic.
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America has become a hegemon because of them.
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First off, they decide why. And this is one of the things I told McMasters. He would say, we got the greatest team and we're going to do all this. I said, dude, I said, you've had Bush, You've had Obama, and now you've got us. You've had a center-right group of neoliberal conservatives in Bush. You've had the biggest group of progressives ever under Obama. And I said, we're here for 20 years.
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I said, you've had smart guys around this table. Why has it never changed? And the reason it never changes is that the neoliberal neocons have an apparatus. That apparatus is the deep state. And this is why I say if AOC or Bernie was there, they'd be just as dismissed. This is what eventually impeached Trump. They saw Trump as such a danger. This was the whole Russia hoax. This was...
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A guy named Colonel Derek Harvey and an army sergeant called Higgins were two brilliant guys that understood this. They actually went through and came back and made a presentation. Here are the deep staters that actually in the National Security Council. Right. Here's and here's who their names are in ranked order. The ones that should should be turfed out.
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The number one name was this Eric Camarillo guy who eventually was the whistleblower on the Trump call to Ukraine. The guy, the original whistleblower, was a guy that two years before they identified as one of the most dangerous guys because he's a deep stater.
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Everything, like Marshall McLuhan, the media is the massage, the media. Right. Modern communication, theory for mass communication. Yeah. Trump understands that at such a deep level. At a cellular level. Yes.
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The deep state is a real thing, and this is why you see President Trump going after it hammer and tong right now. Also, Elon's hitting it from a different angle. He's kind of going after the administrative state. He'll get to the deep state because one of their slush funds, like USAID. USAID has essentially always been a CIA front. that you see, yes, do they have water projects in India? Sure.
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Do they have some stuff in sub-Saharan Africa? They do. That's all on the surface to make you feel better. They're running this thing, particularly funding all the media against Orban in Hungary, funding money to all these source-backed institutions. NGOs, yeah. NGOs, and NGOs on the southern border to do the invasion. A lot of that was funded by USAID.
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It's 100% related. The assassination attempt. Think about it. The media, you know, I was just watching because of the classic on TCM the other night in the Oscar month. They had all the president's men. If you go back and look. It's a great movie. A great, fabulous movie. A classic. But if you go back and look at the 60s and 70s. Yeah, they were killing them every other day.
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And the people, New York Times, The Washington Post, these people were anti-institutionalist. They were all over the FBI. They were all over the CIA. They were all over investigative reporting. That's completely flipped. The Democratic Party and the mainstream media became the defenders of the institutions. This is why every night you hear them banging on us. Oh, they're trying to get out of NATO.
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They're trying to do this. They're trying to tear down. They got Kash Patel and Dan Bongino at the FBI. They have Tulsi Gabbard. The Democratic Party, and I think they know politically they're in a tough jam. They became the defenders of a corrupt system. They became the defenders of institutions that clearly have to be at minimum reformed and I think, quite frankly, purged.
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and taken down and rebuilt. So they're defenders of that. All the mainstream media is the biggest defenders. I mean, in the Washington Post, David Ignatius comes on Morning Joe. We call it the Langley Bugle, the Washington Post. You're getting the pure thing from that. You're getting the CIA's point of view that day when you see Ignatius. You see the same things in the New York Times.
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Big reporters on defense are getting the Pentagon's perspective. So the mainstream and liberal media.
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And their kids' futures are shot. And they're manning – remember, it's these – it's the family – it's the children of this eviscerated middle class and working class that kids are walking patrol in the Hindu Kush or with the 101st Airborne Brigade in Romania on the Ukraine border or in the two carrier battle groups in the Red Sea.
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I'm sure you have. Yes, 100%. And this is what I love about it. We're winning elections.
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Well, they're total... It's authoritarian. It's authoritarian model like the Chinese Communist Party. They want a couple of industries, state capitalism, where they have elite merger, right, between big government and big business. They control things. And what I find so laughable is we're actually winning elections. Let's take 24.
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After having the 2020 election stolen from us and being now debanked, deplatformed. Remember, I'm deplatformed everywhere. How did they do that?
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Here's one of the pieces of proof we got. In 2022, the people... Remember... We got 63 and a half million votes in 16. I thought we did a pretty damn good job. We got 74 million votes in 2020, including we picked up 12 House seats. So you're telling me that's just you're telling me in a Nancy Pelosi. I think we won 14 and they won two. So net 12. We picked up 12 House seats in that election.
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I'm not a machine guy. I think it's mail-in ballots. It was very evident what they did in Pennsylvania and in Wisconsin and in Michigan. It was mail-in ballots. And remember, he only won by the same margin that we did, the 72,000. When you accumulate Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, that's what Biden won by. You take the other states, these are small numbers, right?
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10,000 in Georgia, 9,000 in Arizona. It was mail-in ballots. But here's the point. Where have they gone since then? They didn't vote in the midterm elections. Right. They didn't vote in 2024. And so where are they?
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No, they don't exist. They don't exist. Okay. They don't exist. They 100% don't exist. They're disenchanted. They don't hate Trump. Oh, they only vote because they hated Trump. They don't hate Trump any less. They see him as a hero. It's ridiculous. We can win. This is why on democracy, we love democracy because you're not going to beat us. Right now, our coalition is building. Right.
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Trump got 39 percent of black men in the country to vote for him. Not just that. A lot of black men are just not going to vote for the Democrats. Remember, they don't vote for the Democrats as one to us. If they vote for us, it's a two banger. Right. Hispanics.
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Star County, Texas, a hardscrabble county in South Texas, 97 percent Hispanic and blue collar, the most Hispanic county in the United States. voted for Hillary Clinton by 60% in 2016. In 2024, Trump won it by 16%. The Hispanic working class is coming our way. The African-American working class is coming our way.
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Oh, yeah. And Medicaid and Medicaid, Medicaid. I keep telling people, don't think, you know, in the old days, oh, Medicaid was an urban thing. And I said, you can't take a meat axe to it. I said, this is not about race anymore. This is about economic distress.
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If you go and look in Idaho and, you know, the American readout up in Montana and Wyoming and, you know, the Christian readout, I think there's something like 80 or 90 percent of the babies born in Idaho on Medicaid. Medicaid is now for the working class, the white working class and Hispanic and black. These are our voters. right? You have to be very careful.
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Medicaid, you have to get the illegal aliens off and you have to put work requirements, but dust don't think you can go in and put a meat ax to it.
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Look at the non-citizens in Medicaid. It's shocking, right? The non-citizens have been given everything. Look at the 10 to 12 million illegal alien invaders, and I don't blame them. You and I would do the exact same thing. You were invited here by the federal government.
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People shouldn't – your audience should not lose track of the fact that in these reconciliation things we're talking about, for the mass deportations, it's $175 billion we're asking for, not just to secure the border, but for the mass deportation.
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I'm only talking, I don't, I'm right now not concerned about anybody that came in before January 20th of 2021, because the way I calculate it, there's 10 to 12 million and plus, you know, a million bad hombres, right? Criminals. I was in Danbury. Yeah. 10% of the prison. It's a prison of, for 800 people, I think 800 inmates.
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Remember, he's a Democrat. I'm a Democrat. I come from a working class Irish Catholic Democratic family, union family. He's a Democrat. We understand the power. Every major political movement in this country has been predicated upon working class and lower middle class people. It just has. That's the power. Trump understands it. That's his audience. That's when I say mass communication.
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No, no, no. I'm saying the guys coming over from Ukraine, you go to Montauk.
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I'm a hardcore, but remember I'm hardcore to me. Yeah. Everything revolves around the American citizen. I don't care your ethnicity, your race, gender, or whatever your religion. If you're an American citizen, it should be like the Roman citizenship. You get a special deal. The whole system depends upon you. The whole world's economic system comes down on your shoulders.
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You're paying the taxes to really finance the hegemon. In addition to, Your sons and daughters are the ones – you're in Romania with the 101st. You're on the carrier battle group in the Red Sea. You're on patrol in the South China Sea. You're defending the order. You're defending the whole system, and yet you're the one that's screwed over consistently. That's got to flip.
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Everything's got to be – like, for instance, these visa programs. They shouldn't work unless they work for American citizens.
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Zero. Zero. Okay. The most progressive – think about it. The most progressive – People on Earth in the Obama administration created an apartheid state. Silicon Valley is an apartheid state. There's no blacks or Hispanics. And the South Asians or Indians are there as indentured servants.
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They're working for a third to 50 percent less than American citizens, often in kind of horrible conditions with four or five guys to a condo and working 20 hours a day, seven days a week because if they complain, they get the boot. OK, it's not acceptable. And not just that.
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They have not shown me. And because they all backed off coming after me on H-1B visas. I said, show me one thing. I want to see one fucking billet, one person. In any of those billets, the millions are here, one. Show me one in that billet that has a better education or a better skill set than an American. They can't show me one.
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They can't show me one, and they won't show me one because it doesn't exist. It has nothing to do – and when the media says – These are not high-skilled. This is basically essentially the mass programmers, right? It's all about getting it cheaper for one-third because most of the cost of these companies is in the programming. Right. Are the technicians, the technical aspect of it.
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They pay one third to 50 percent less. They have higher margins. They have higher stock prices get bigger, bigger. Their warrant packages were worth much. The math here is not complicated, but they can't show that the H-1B visas are bringing in more educated. We have plenty of educated people in the United States now.
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People in the United States are going to want to get paid a certain amount because they're not going to compete against the world. Number two, being Americans, you've got a little cussiness and grit. This is what – hey, and you're going to be vocal about what working conditions are. That's what it means to be American.
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That same grit and tenacity and getting up in people's faces is the same reason that we won World War II, the same reason we won the Cold War, the same reason that Colin – those same Americans are their sons or daughters – or on the carrier battle group in the Red Sea. You can't separate them. And here's the problem is we've invited the world.
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It is not acceptable in this nation to bring in foreign workers to compete against American workers for these jobs. This is bullshit. It should be. I want a total moratorium. Until we get sorted, exactly what's going on. And until those billets, on H-1Bs, which are so corrupt, I would shut it all down, all of it. I'd deport immediately everybody.
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He understands how to have a – emotional but also mental connection with a mass audience, working class. The Democratic Party has abandoned the working class. What they are is you have these billionaires at the top, the Wall Street guys, the Silicon Valley guys. Then you have the credentialed class.
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I would give every billet in 60 days, every job in 60 days to an American citizen. And Bob's your uncle, and we have to be this hardcore. Zuckerberg. I am very hardcore on these things because if you don't take it to an extreme, you're never going to change it. The capitalists always want to have lower wages and more malleable populations.
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Yes, it's the corporate state. Zuckerberg. We don't have capitalism.
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Their network, their oligarchs, what they love is their money and their power. Have they ever sacrificed for anything in this country?
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When President Trump came up for the first time and tried to give working class people, and it showed in the 2019 numbers, that blue-collar wages increased at a faster rate than white-collar wages, non-college graduates higher than college graduates, did they support him? No. Did they de-platform him? Did they de-bank him? They have no – do you see those guys volunteering –
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to go overseas and defend their country. No, what they want to do is go to the Pentagon and get a big fucking fat Pentagon contract, right, to leech off this nation. No, they're not good guys. And I keep telling people in our party, don't think they support us because they don't. They're very good at knowing where power is.
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And right now they think that before Obama and the Clintons were the power and Biden, now it's us. Just like they betrayed them and flipped on them, they flipped on their creation of progressive Democrats. They are progressive Democrats.
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Love New York. New York's my favorite city. Why is it? Well, Hong Kong's my favorite city, but New York's- Hong Kong is amazing. I can't go there anymore because I've been banned. I've been sanctioned by the Chinese Communist Party. Really? Yeah, I'm the only civilian in history. So at one minute afternoon on the 20th of January, 2021, the Chinese Communist Party
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All these people with college degrees and Ivy League degrees are sitting there like on MSNBC telling you the way things are going to be. And then they have a kind of a mass of, you know, the poor right below the working. They've abandoned the working class to us. This project on populist nationalism I've been working on for decades. 15 years, 14 or 15 years, and they ceded the ground.
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I don't listen. I think he's a different category than I would say the other.
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And look, I'm not a fan of many aspects, like, but like I said, on the, on the, on the two big ones, backing our play in 2024, the deconstruction administrative state in the third, which is, you know, this populist revolt going throughout the world, which has been very vocal of backing in places like England and in Germany. And I tell people, I said, look,
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This brother brings the two tactical nuclear weapons of modern politics, unlimited money, two wit, He wrote a $250 million check. It doesn't affect his – he's still got baby mamas lined up, right? It doesn't affect his lifestyle, right? Plus, he's got a platform. He can bind what he wants to bind and loose what he wants to loose. He can drive up the awareness of something or crush it, right?
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So with those two things, there's not a centrist government in Europe that can withstand this. There's very little money. in European politics, the entire campaign for Brexit, which is really taking England's sovereignty back, and the Remain guys are very powerful. It's the establishment. That entire campaign was about 25 million pounds. It's nothing. So he's got unlimited power.
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And I think, directionally, he's trying to do some good things. I've got problems with one.
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It always worries me. It worries me that the concentration of power in Silicon Valley and the concentration. Now, President Trump has a special relationship with him. We all trust President Trump. President Trump says on top of this, it's just that you have to. One of my bigger problems with Elon Musk is transhumanism.
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The number one of all the problems we have, we have massive financial problems, massive geostrategic problems, all the massive immigration and sovereignty issues. All of those problems are solvable. Tough decisions. We've let a lot of good alternatives go away. It gets tougher and tougher every year. They can all be solved and they can be solved by rational policies.
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And you can solve those in debate. And some days you're going to win. Some days you're going to lose. Underneath that, we have the most important time in the history of the Homo sapien is upon us. We are converging on something called the singularity. And it's just not AI. AI is one part of it. You have artificial intelligence and artificial general intelligence.
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It wasn't that hard because if you go after and present yourself as somebody that can potentially be a solutions provider or at least prepared to listen, the working class is looking for solutions. They're looking for people to listen to them. That's where Trump stepped in. He changed the Republican Party from a country club party to a party of working class people in under 10 years.
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You also have regenerative robotics. You have quantum computing. You have advanced chip design. You also have CRISPR and gene sequencing. Gene splicing. Manipulation. Manipulation. That's all converging on a spot called the singularity. On this side of that, you have the homo sapien.
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Something has been around, I don't know, for 100,000, whenever all the other, you know, species fell aside, we survive. Okay? So you have the homo sapien for, I don't know, 100,000 or a million years. On the other side of that, you have Homo sapien 2.0.
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And the pressure, as if people under 35 or 40 didn't have enough pressure on them, because they have more pressure than any generation in this country, I think, of pressure on them, of economically, of socially, you're now going to add another pressure, which is... for their children, you know, enhance yourself. Exactly. Even not yourself.
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If you're saying, no, I'm going to see this thing through is what I am and I'll make myself better. But you look at your kids and you say, Hey, look, I worked my ass off and I went to an Ivy league school. I went to a great university. I became great in a sport. I became great in my profession or my love, my hobby, whatever it was. And you're going to sit there and go, let's chip.
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There's only so many slots at Harvard. There's only slots at university of Michigan. There's only so many slots at Wisconsin or Arizona. Chip the kids. The whole world's chipping them. You're going to have these debates and you're going to sit there at night going, do I chip the kid or not? How do you chip the kids? How do you chip the kids?
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And I'm saying this is going to cause, as a society and a civilization, we're not ready to have that conversation. And by the way, it's going to drive politics. Look at Elon. And this is why because the industrialists in Silicon Valley are taking the typical easy way industrialists have.
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In the issue about labor and about manufacturing, instead of still trying to do the great American innovation and kind of the Tom Peters management in search of excellence, management by wandering around like –
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having the R&D facility next to the manufacturing facility so the engineers could walk to the floor and see the artisans, these guys, and get production, better production experience, get down the learning curve, make things better. American innovation was always our greatest power. What we did is we outsourced. We just shipped the factories over to China because you know why?
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For efficiency, we want cheaper labor. It's easier to do that. We keep the R&D here, and guess what? It was never the same again. but we got lower labor costs. You either send it to China or you outsource it to India. That was the lazy way to do it, and it had a massive impact on manufacturing. The same thing's happening in AI, and this is why people have to wake up.
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AI's got two paths it can go down, an efficiency path that I'm just going to use AI and blow out everybody under 35 years old that's in their first administrative manager or tech job, or I can use it as an engine of innovation. Right. And right now we're taking the just like the guys made the basic mistake of doing the what I call the the mass type of AI, which is the model that we're using.
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Right. Which is machine learning in a mass way that requires massive data centers, massive replication, massive energy.
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From the time I met him in 2010 – to 2000 and he really started getting really involved in probably 2012-13 in 10 or 12 years he totally changed a party to be a working class party because one of the big things the Democrats just ceded it to us they didn't try to fight it they're not trying to fight it today the people that actually speak about populism Ro Khanna
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Even if it's a PSYOP, we have to, I think, assume for the purpose of the discussion going forward, it may be a Sputnik or quasi-Sputnik moment in what we're going to do about it because now we're in a horrible situation. Because now the oligarchs come to us and say, well, Bannon, how can you sit there and say we should be broken up?
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How can you want Lena Khan and your neo-Brandeisian, how can you want to break it up now more than ever? We need to have national champions. Now more than ever, you must make another Faustian bargain.
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They're saying this is the $500 billion ballot. They turn to us and say we need a mercury program. We need a Marshall program. You need to turn the National Labs over to us. And the taxpayers have to fund it. The taxpayers have to. They ain't putting it up. And the venture capitalists, they're looking for a bailout.
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Anytime you hear Mercury program, anytime you hear Marshall program, understand that's coming out of your paycheck.
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It's the same thing as the bailout of the banks. It's always looking for the bailout of the banks. Yes. And obviously going there. Yeah. The little guy pays for it. It's your sons and daughters that are in Iraq or Afghanistan. And you're paying for it. And not just your taxes, your private equity. Remember, Zuckerberg and all these guys came out of graduate schools. They didn't have any money.
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The people invest that Peter Thiel's were people like that. It's all pension fund money. So it's Oregon State Pension Fund. It's CalPERS. It's Alabama Teachers Fund. All of their money. This is the Greek tragedy part of this.
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The American working class and middle class have essentially, through their work and hard work and savings, right, has paid for their own destruction, has paid for – that's the Greek tragedy part of it. Your greatest strength was turned against you.
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Your ability to be a good householder, your ability to actually have something, your ability to pay your taxes on a regular basis and have a little something put away.
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That's what the venture capitalists and the hedge funds used to ship the jobs overseas and destroy not on your own economics of your personal life, but to make sure that your children and grandchildren essentially live like Russian serfs. That's the revolt that you're seeing. Now, people can't totally articulate it. Number one is the system's never explained to you.
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You never explain how up here in Capitol Hill you can run these massive deficits. Well, how can it be paid for? How can we not bankrupt? But we have this money machine called the Federal Reserve that can just create money, that we can create the bond. What we can't sell to foreign countries, we can just create ourselves.
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And that's how you end up with 125 percent of GDP in debt with a trillion dollars being added every hundred days. And inflation is not going to go away until you stop this national federal spending. It's not a supply chain issue anymore. It's too many dollars taking too few goods. And as we keep having these massive deficits, the inflation is going to be embedded in the system.
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And as we have to refinance, you're going to refinance it at higher rates. You're not going to get rid of this inflation. It's a death spiral.
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This is the book, and I'll get you covered, Unrestricted Warfare, written by two colonels back in the 90s off of the Gulf War. And what they said is foreign devils are so sophisticated – in armaments and particularly remote armaments and targeting that we never want to get into a shooting war with foreign devils. That unrestricted warfare will be cyber, psychological, political, economic.
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who's very smart, talking about economic patron, are Fetterman. They're kind of on an island. They're marginalized. They're marginalized. You don't see them. I keep telling them, I say, you don't see them. It's one thing to talk populist. It's another thing to get into it. You don't see those guys on MSNBC every night. You don't see them talked about and pushed every day in Democratic circles.
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We will do everything. And in fact, they announced in 2019, there's a people's war. The Chinese Communist Party is at war with us today. That's where you see the mass infiltration to the United States. That's where you see the taking of so much of our technology. We don't need, and Sun Tzu tells them in their belief, the moment they have to go kinetic, they feel they've already lost.
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Number one, they don't want to fight the foreign devils in a kinetic war because they understand one thing we can do is get up on it and fucking blow shit up and kill people, okay? We're very good at that. They consider that defeat. They want to defeat us beforehand. My point. The only people that throw off, think about that.
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We allow the Chinese Communist Party, which is a dictatorship that's killed a quarter of a billion of their own people. Right. I mean, they make Stalin and Hitler look like pikers. OK, they've murdered in concentration camp starvation through the Cultural Revolution, the Great Leap Forward, the collectivization.
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And today the gulags, they have, you know, a quarter of a billion of their own people in the force. If you can't the forced abortions, you had another three or four hundred million Chinese, particularly Chinese female babies. So these people are murderous dictatorship. Yet we interact with them or in business with them like they're like they're part of the Kiwanis Club.
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If you want to support Lao Bai Jing, which is the only way they can be overthrown, that's a name for old hundred names because there's basically a hundred names in the Chinese language, right? A hundred last names. So old hundred names is a term for the common man in China, common man and woman. If you want Lao Bai Jing to overthrow him, we just have to do two things.
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You cut them off completely from any access to American capital. And I mean any. No stock market, no equity, no lending, no nothing, zero. And you cut them off 100% from American technology. They will collapse, I believe, in 100 days. They cannot exist unless they have access to American capital or access to technology. This is why I'm one of the leaders of the decoupling effort. Right.
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And President Trump, he wrote an executive order on Friday and signed it. That's probably the toughest thing we've done about no involvement at all with technology companies of any company that does Chinese military. It's the first time we've really somebody's put down the law. That's the way you take care of the Chinese Communist Party. If we don't do that.
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I believe we'll be in a shooting war in the South China Sea and around Taiwan in five years. And people have to understand, I don't care about your moral, whether you think you're supporting Taiwan for a democracy or not. Advanced chip design, you know, 30 to 40 to 50 percent of our advanced chip design comes from Taiwan. There's chip and it's not easily replicable. The Koreans have tried it.
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The Japanese have tried it. We're trying here in the United States with the CHIP Act. We are 10 or 20 years away from those plants. Advanced chip design is both an art and a science. We don't have it. They have it in those plants in Taiwan. It's 80 miles from the mainland China. It's a horrible situation. President Trump thinks about it all the time. You talk about the Pentagon.
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And these are the guys that are at least trying to come up with working class and populist solutions. And they're kind of on an island right now. The Democratic Party has just totally seen it because that credential class, They're too precious to want to get down and kind of deal with working class issues. Why did Bernie Sanders...
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And I used to – that's where I spent my – half of my career at sea was there. The other half was in the North Arabian Sea and Persian Gulf. So I've steamed those waters. Right now, there's not been a war game in the Pentagon. They've put this out in the last seven or eight years that we've won defending Taiwan. Wow. And they know that.
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And if they take Taiwan, the American economy will drop into a depression. They understand that. That's why it's kind of a standoff right now. But we have to get much more aggressive on the CCP or we're going to pay for it. And we do that by restricting Wall Street and restricting Silicon Valley from being in business with them.
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I gave a motivational talk, and at the end, I always give a wave to the audience. What they did is they took a nanosecond clip and said, Bannon's throwing a Nazi or Roman salute. They just came out today, Byron York over at the Washington Examiner came out with a photo of of Kamala Harris doing the same thing a couple of years ago, where she waved to the audience. So this is just silly.
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No, but what they're trying to... Listen, the speech... I gave the speech and said... Because you go like this.
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I'm waving to the crowd. You can wave. I just did it. I just did it. This is the clip. You're waving to the... This is the clip. And by the way, with the French guy... Yeah. With the French guy... It's easy to do. You can do it. You go, hi. With the French guy that said he wouldn't come, they had a thing, a Front National, where I talked to their group seven years ago. I did the exact same thing.
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I went up and waved to the crowd like that. And they go, oh, God.
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But what they didn't want to do is cover the speech. In the speech, I said the whole world's media is there. The whole world's media is there. They're not there to see Bannon because they get enough of me yelling in the microphone four hours a day. They get Elon Musk. They don't need more Elon Musk. They get Elon all the time. They don't need Trump.
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Trump did another hour in the thing today, signing executive orders and blowing them up when he's asking questions. Trump's so far in their head. I said, and they're not there for J.D. They get enough of J.D. too. They came because they want to see where the power in this country lies is with this populist movement. And they can't understand it. And they can't destroy what they don't understand.
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And so they're all there to see these people. And I said, you are the power. Trump, when Trump went back to Mar-a-Lago after they stole the 2020 election, hey, the entire Republican Party abandoned him. Everybody was debanked, deplatformed. All the oligarchs kicked him off everywhere. It was his base that said, fuck this. If you're in, we're in.
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And when he said, I'm in, understanding, and this was the greatest moment of moral clarity and one of the greatest profiles in courage. You take Kennedy's book, read them all, all eight examples. I think he got 10 examples. They don't compare to Trump.
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Trump understood, if I do this and are not a good little boy and stay in Mar-a-Lago and build more golf courses and write my memoirs, if I come back and try to reclaim the presidency that was stolen from me, They will try to throw me in prison. They'll try to bankrupt me. They'll try to destroy my country. Maybe they'll try to kill you. And eventually try to kill you.
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He is the American Cincinnatus. This is his famous mythical Roman general that went back and retired. And when the nation was having a crisis, right, in a war, they went to him and said, you've got to come back and save us. Trump came back, and that's why it's General Washington, Lincoln, and Trump. This will be known as the age of Trump. And here's the thing. They're not in history.
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They're not going to give a fuck about Elon Musk, Steve Bannon, Tucker Carlson, J.D. Vance. They're going to care about Donald Trump and MAGA. They're going to say this guy was a billionaire that came and basically formed a populist nationalist movement that gave the country its sovereignty back. and gave the country its freedom back.
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No, he had it totally similar. It was very similar. We just lifted Bernie Sanders' shit. I mean, come on. We just took it. He was 100%. He said open borders is a Koch brothers proposal.
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And that's why I think he's not only one of the greatest presidents we've ever had, he's one of the two or three greatest Americans we've ever had. And this is why I'm a huge proponent of trying to see if he can't stick around as long as possible, because at least for another term after this, because... Well, that would require amending the Constitution. Well, we'll see about that.
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You don't think he'll be too old? Certainly won't be too old. Look at his energy now. Great energy. Listen, a guy like this comes along once a century. We had one in the 18th century.
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No, no, no, no, no. Winning more elections, we're not concerned about that. We think that this guy is on a roll right now. We think we're building our coalition. Now we have to deliver, right? There's going to be some – people should understand. You have to deliver. Three or four months are going to be a firestorm on this capital about spending, about taxes.
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And I'm a big proponent that if we can't cut spending enough, if there's not enough revenue coming in from tariffs. You're going to tax the rich. You're a Steve Bannon tax the rich. I said in the Oval in 17. You know, he had Cohen, Mnuchin, and Jared, myself, and I told the president then, you got to take the upper bracket and we got to tax them. We got to increase the tax rates.
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What's the upper bracket? Well, here's what I'm saying is that right now— Where does that start before I get on board with this? Hang on. You're probably going to fall into that. No. Right now, if you look at— Steve. If you look at the four trees— These private planes are expensive. And they're dangerous.
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If you look at the $4 trillion, so if we don't extend the tax cuts, right, there's basically, as Scott Best said, there's a $4 trillion tax increase coming. If you take couples filing together under $400,000 combined, that is essentially $2.6 trillion of that, okay? So that covers, and I would actually say increase that maybe to $500,000.
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Well, they do that now, I think, on estate taxes. Let me give you one more piece of news, though. That's in the existing taxes we have today. So I'm a proponent of President Trump is to no tax on tips. Yes. No tax on overtime. No tax on first responders, military, veterans, et cetera. Podcasters. Right-wing podcasters. Okay. No tax on Social Security. That adds up.
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Because Bill Clinton – remember, Clinton's power all came from the white working class. That's how they survived in Arkansas. That's how he won the presidency. And that's how Hillary Clinton saved herself for at least for a while against Obama when Obama ran the tables on her in the primary in 2008. Right.
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When you accumulate it, that's about another trillion dollars. Okay. So our gap goes from two to three trillion. Gotcha. And so we've got to close that. And my point is the best way to incentivize the oligarchs and the wealthy and the lords of easy money on Wall Street – to help us cut spending is they've got to get in back of, because the puppets here in DC respond to those guys.
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You've got to have your lobbyists. You've got to have everybody help us work on cutting spending. If we can't cut spending, we can't continue on a $2 trillion deficits. Not only may you not get, in my view, not get the extension of the Trump tax cut. I think you got to talk, taxes on financial transactions, taxes on, um, on, you got to kill the carried interest. You have to kill all these games.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
It's not. And by the way, the Democrats always fold. Remember in the first hundred days to show what fun is there in the first hundred days of Biden's regime, they came out with all this tax on billionaires. Remember that they had a program tax on billionaires. It never even got through a committee. They just, because the, the democratic party is controlled by, by, uh, by, uh, by billionaires.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
And so this is, I think where we got to get, we got to get tough. I just saw a poll today that 50% of Republican voters, president Trump support is 50%. agree that if we got to close this gap, that they support taxing the wealthy. I just think it's, I think it's just going to happen. And to me, I'm not against it.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
Like Bill Maher and others. I finally started to wake up to the fact after the Palisades debacle of exactly what you're paying for. Listen, I'm not for higher taxes. What I'm for is fiscal sanity. We're in a financial crisis. If we can't, if President Trump's geoeconomics on tariffs, because he doesn't think of tariffs as a 25% tariff on a Mexican avocado or some under the hood part from Canada.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
He looks at it as we have a premium market. That's basically supported and made robust by working class people. You have to, if you want to get through the golden door, you got to pay a premium. Like you get a sky box at a sporting event or front row ticket to a concert. You either move your manufacturing here and create jobs, or you're going to pay a price for it. He believes, I think,
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
like Navarro, eventually a third of our total revenue can come from external sources, not internal. But if we can't, you know, cut spending, get more duties, fees, and tariffs from outside sources, that gap at $2 trillion is not sustainable. And it's just going to keep driving inflation. It's got to be cut. If you want to get under $1 trillion in Doge,
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
doesn't come up with those types of cuts, which I think right now is still to be seen. There is ways for an abuse, but we can't get to those cuts. Eventually, you have to get additional revenues. Those revenues to me should come from financial transactions, carried interest, others, and obviously the wealthy that can have made up so well from the 2008 collapse.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
I mean, we've created more wealth for them. The Wall Street Journal Today just has a report out that the entire economy, you know, 70% of it is a third of the purchasing power, but 70% of the overall is driven by the top 3%. People are making more than $350,000 a year, I think. That's not, we can't continue into that system. No, that makes sense. We have a capitalist system. We got to keep it.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
The cultural of it. The cultural issues overwhelmed it, and that's why Bernie Sanders never had a shot. As soon as he – look, the capitalist – Today, the whole invasion of the 10 to 12 million, and I'm just talking about people that came from January 20th, 2021, when Biden took office till Trump.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
Well, we have a capitalist system with no capitalists. Right. Think about it. 70% of the people in this country don't own financial or real assets. Right? You have to, they have to have a piece of the action. If you have everybody, the piece of the action, and this is not socialism. They're not, these people never asked for anything. No, this is fairness. It's also practical.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
President Trump keeps saying it's a revolution of common sense. Common sense means let's get everybody to be a capitalist. Let's get everybody to be an owner of something. Financial assets, real assets. Skin in the game. Skin in the game. Care about their community. Care about the community. Once you incentivize people with actual ownership, you create a capitalist system.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
Right now we have a oligarchic system. Yes. Right? It's a huge government. A handful of players in each industry, whether it's media, whether it's defense contracting, whether it's big pharma, health, the oligarchs in Silicon Valley that have elite merger or elite capture, right, or regulatory capture. This has to be broken apart.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
And they're just not going to sit there and say, oh, this is brilliant. Why didn't we think of that? We'll just toss you the keys. Every day is going to be a fight. And we're asking people in your audience as you become awakened to what reality is. You know, understand they're always going to try to throw, oh, it's Nazi salute. So these guys are nativists or they're racist. We're everything.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
We're anything. But we're saying that the greatest resource this country's ever had ever had is its people, particularly working class and middle class people. It is what has created more value, more wealth, freed more people than any nation in the history of the earth. And what we have to do is make sure that they're incentivized and rewarded for that. And we do that.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
This thing is going to thrive like nobody's business.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
You want to opt in for the no tax cuts for the podcasters, right?
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
I pay for their meals. All these guys bitched and moaned when they got here. They weren't paid enough and you –
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
I appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
That's a 10 to 12 million people. That was the Koch kind of corporate class, the Chamber of Commerce guys with the open borders people. But what they did is they wanted to kill inflation by flooding the zone with low skilled workers. Right. I mean, the Federal Reserve was very open about this. They said they were going to do this. And they did it, that 10 to 12 million.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
Fully sanctioned four people, Mike Pompeo, Matt Pottinger, who's the deputy national security advisor, Peter Navarro, myself. I was a civilian at the time. It's the only time a civilian. So I can't have any association with, With any Chinese company, I can't go to Taiwan. I guess I could go to Taiwan. I can't go to Hong Kong. I can't go to Shanghai.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
Well, Bernie Sanders, you can't defend American workers. You can't defend American citizens of every ethnicity and race until you're prepared to go hardcore in immigration. You can't have the world come here.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
To your own country, your family's been here for generations busting their ass to make this country better and to make the communities better and have the world come in here and compete with you, not just working with the with the low skilled jobs, but also with the like the phoniness of the H-1B visas and that we don't really have any legal immigration in this country. It's all a scam.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
It's the press wages. The whole thing is the press wages. And they're winning. And this is why Bernie – I say Bernie Sanders. The reason people say it was Bernie – Bernie's a fucking pussy. He had two shots at the Clintons. The Clintons are the epitome of the neoliberal, neocon globalist. And they're like the mafia. These are hard people. There's nobody harder than Hillary Clinton. She's tough.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
OK, he had two shots at her. Yeah, I got brought into the campaign, not because I knew anything about politics. I'd never been in a campaign office in my life, but I had focused for a couple of years working with Peter Schweitzer and other people on taking down the Clintons. I got brought in because they were so far behind that they needed somebody.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
If you were going to win, you had to bring Clinton's numbers down because President Trump at that time, candidate Trump. You could argue anywhere from 8 to 14 points down in mid-August of 2016. To close that gap, you've got to bring the heat on Hillary Clinton. And I was brought in as that because I knew the Clintons.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
And Bernie Sanders, I keep telling people, he had two shots at her, never laid a glove on her. It was a pillow fight. If you're going to get those people, you've got to get up in their grill and rip their face off because they're tough. And they're neoliberal neocons. They're very vulnerable. But Bernie had kind of ceded that ground.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
That's why he's not really had much of an impact on this populist. Think about it. We've had a populist nationalist revolt in this country. And Bernie Sanders has been a marginal figure to it. How did that work? And in the Democratic Party today, this is why Ro Khanna and Fetterman are kind of on an island. They don't really have a huge constituency in the Democratic Party.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
Well, first of all, you should have put these things. Look, it would have taken steel balls, but you had to do it. Number one, we should have let Goldman Sachs go bankrupt. We should have let AIG go bankrupt.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
And I lived in both of those places for a while. So I love Hong Kong, love Shanghai. That's unfortunate.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
They, we know that from congressional testimony at the banking committee is that, is that when, so they put Lehman brothers into bankruptcy on Monday, I think the 15th in London first put in banker and they didn't realize Lehman brothers was the center of the commercial paper market, which is what funds companies overnight for the cash.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
Cause guys are not sitting there with liquid cash to run their operations, right? They have an investments or bonds or whatever. The commercial paper market freezes. All of a sudden, you've got everybody in a free fall.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
And on Thursday, Hank Paulson, who I used to work for at Goldman, and Bernanke, the head of the Federal Reserve, Secretary of Treasury, go to Bush's office, into the Oval Office, and they say, hey, look, we need a trillion dollars cash infusion by 5 o'clock or the American financial system will collapse in 72 hours and the world financial system two days later.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
And Bush in a profile on Courage goes, hey, we checked the Constitution. It's not my problem. You got to go see this lady named Nancy Pelosi. Only they have the ability to kind of unlock – to print that kind of money or to authorize that. They go up to – Nancy Pelosi, and this is what the system's like.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
Good. You're still good. Good. You can come. So, yeah, no, I used to live in New York, 15 Broad, down on Broad Street, Brooklyn Heights, and up right across from the public library.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
There's a guy in Alabama that was on the – he was the minority side, the Republicans in the House on the banking committee. They made everybody put their blackberries and everything outside. This guy, when they get out and talk about this, he texts his brokers and say, buy the QQQs. Short the market for tomorrow morning at the open. Yeah, he made a couple hundred thousand bucks.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
Well, no, it's here's what it is, is that you've got to have some accountability and responsibility. First, you got to keep your head clear. Right. And say, well, hang on, because what Hank Paulson did is took care of Goldman. They were in the boardroom of they were in the conference rooms of Sullivan and Cromwell at that time preparing the bankruptcy of Goldman Sachs. Right.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
They were in the conference rooms preparing the bankruptcy of GE Capital. They were in the rooms in the conference room of the big white street law firms preparing the bankruptcy of AIG. I mean, these companies were going down. What they did on Goldman Sachs is that they signed a one line thing that said starting Monday, Goldman Sachs is a bank holding company.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
They just made it a bank holding company with one line. And so come Monday morning, they could go to the Fed window and borrow at 2%, lend it to their clients at 4%, and take that – that VIG would be a couple billion dollars a month. That would kind of bail them out. They got a bailout. All these – every one of them, GE Capital, Merrill Lynch, all of them got bailouts.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
But the little guy, $35,000. First off, the little guy didn't get a bail. Worse, Hispanic and black, particularly working class, where the guys got wiped out of their equity in their homes, right? Because all the CMOs, all the mortgage packages collapsed. So guys, they just blew them out, turned it over to the banks. The banks walked in and were picking these things up for 50 cents of the dollar.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
Not that they wanted them at the time. But the equity holders, you had a generation of particularly minority homeowners that got zeroed out. My point is that, yes, there probably had to be some balance, but not the way it's done. And people say, well, Bannon, why are you talking about it? Because the way we put this money in, they got recouped and got like 12%.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
I said, yo, dude, at Goldman Sachs, if a company's in trouble like that, you win. You walk in, you blow out management, you blow out the equity, you lend them the money, the new management team gets to earn into 20% of the equity, and then the guys that put the money up get a bunch of warrants. Where's the warrant package for the little guy? Go back to 2008.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
Met Trump in August of 2010 before that midterm election.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
They got paid back the money and they got some returns. But what you should have gotten is some sort of package to own. You should have owned these companies. I would even say quasi-nationalized the banks. They proved that they were incapable.
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
Well, that's what I mean. Fuck them. If you're not making them nervous, you're not doing your job. The whole game is totally rigged. It's completely rigged against the little guy. The little guy, and at the same time, they went to Silicon Valley and did a deal with the oligarchs. The little guy in this country, and this is a revolt, the guy making $35,000, $45,000 a year, right?
The Tim Dillon Show
433 - Steve Bannon Emergency Podcast
The entire world's system rests on his shoulders, okay? Not just the American economy and paying the taxes here, but the kind of the post-war international rules-based order, which is if you look at the Eurasian landmass from Western Europe and NATO to the Middle East, Persian Gulf, to around the Straits of Malacca and South China Sea up to Japan.
The Tim Dillon Show
435 - Little Moments With Meghan Markle
Well, Steve, thanks so much for taking the time to be here. And I want to take this opportunity to sort of, you know, go back a little bit and talk about your history, a little bit about your motivations.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
And this is why I think President Trump's hemisphere, the shift to hemispheric defense, which is from Greenland to the Panama Canal, more of a naval strategy in the Pacific. It's the three island chains and really the the vast desert of the Pacific is really the American heartland. That's our defensive barrier.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
That, to me, should restructure the entire Pentagon and armed forces to that to force structure around that. I think Pete Hex has got to move immediately. I think there should be significant cuts to the defense department. And then that would give you the political cover to then say on Medicaid, you know, we got to be sensible here.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Two of the three best economic populists in the Democratic Party, who I think are kind of on an island, one of the best is Ro Khanna, Ro's economic patriotism, which we always kid him as just ripping off Navarre and my economic nationalism. He's an economic populist. So is Fetterman. Fetterman just announced, you know, we're here today during the CR.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
We right now with the economic distress, there's a lot of MAGA on Medicaid. Yeah.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
And I think by, you know, the illegal aliens and, and, and, uh, and obviously the waste, fraud, and abuse, and some of the things about a block granting it back to a governor like yourself and to California to figure it out has to happen, and other social programs. This is not gonna be painless. We've been so out of control, and it's both parties.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
The Republican Party has been controlled opposition. They have not had these tough fights. That's right. That's the tough fights we're going to have to have.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
I'm not sure he was. By the way, the first couple of years, the first couple of years, the deficits were under, I think, four or five hundred billion dollars. We came very close to actually trying to balance it. If we went back to pre-COVID spending, I mean, Scott Besson says this all the time. We don't have a revenue problem. And this is a verb we think about having to increase your taxes.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
We have a spending problem. I mean, post-COVID, we've had explosion of some of these programs. I think you got to get your arms around them. But once again, these are going to be huge fights and they're not going to be painless. What I like about Johnson today for the first time, because I think he's tapped us along and overpromised.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
And now we're in a situation that, you know, we have to do a CR, which we hate. If you think that the MAGA base and our show, we represent the hardest core of the hardcore. If you think we like sitting here and basically not lighting up the phones and accepting Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's budget, it's a tough pill. It's a hell of a thing.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
No, but what I liked about what I liked about him, he's voting and going home. He's going to put it right on the Democrats about shutting down the government or not. And I think you're going to have a real firestorm in the Senate. And I think a fascinating debate about the direction of the country. And I think we're going to see that. I think we're going to see that coming.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
I think you'll see voices like Fetterman and others start to step up and take a much more prominent role in Democratic Party. Because one thing I keep saying all the time, if you'd watch MSNBC and CNN, you never really see the populace on the economic side. You don't see the Roquehannas getting the time. You don't see Fetterman really getting the time.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
Sherrod Brown and Sherrod didn't want to do national TV, but you never see really the economic populist ever really get. They kind of roll out Bernie Sanders, who I'm not a fan of, but they don't really ever get to the other guys. I think that's all going to become quite different in the in the days and weeks ahead.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
that favors the middle class. We would never take anything from California. I understand.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
First off, you're grossly overtaxed in California. We want to cut taxes.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
Fetterman just announced he would support the CR if it came in. Fetterman's a populist. And then Sherrod Brown. Sherrod Brown, I think, has been an economic populist for a long time. So there are very strong voices in the Democratic Party, I think.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
I think we're increasing aluminum and steel. I think he said today 100%.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
There was a true social, not that it's tit for tat, but there was a true social right before I came on.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
You're seeing this Trump slump, a lot of stress. The bond market, more than the stock market, the bond market has turfed out more governments than howitzers. If you look over the last couple of years, Liz Truss in England, really the assembly in France under Macron. That's right. The Germans, right? The Italians are probably close to a sovereign debt crisis.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
Spain, England's been a couple of governments, even Starmer's under real pressure. So no, the global capital markets, particularly when you have to borrow this much money, the 10-year treasury is, you know, Bob Rubin used to run the country under Clinton. And this is why Carville said, I want to come back as I come back. I want to come back as a 10-year bond or the bond market.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
And that 10-year bond sets everybody's economic underpinnings. And so it's very important. But I think with President Trump, it's both a growth strategy and part of his tariffs. Governor, it shouldn't be lost that the tariffs have many different aspects to it. Number one, He wants to get back at least somehow back to more of the American plan from Alexander Hamilton McKinley.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
Before the early 1900s, driven by the earthquake in San Francisco and the fire, we had a massive financial panic. And that led to really the Internal Revenue Service and people focusing more on getting off American domicile companies and American citizens. President Trump wants to go back to more.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
external revenue that's part of the tariffs he looks at he looks at the u.s as a premium market and so you would pay a premium to get access to here like you would get a skybox at a sporting event or sit in the front row of a concert and he's got a but he's got an out if you want an out because the tariffs are going to be substantial right uh and over particularly mexico and canada so you can't game the system manufacturing and manufacturing wise and against china because
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
Just look over the last – he's been there 40 days. I think over the last three or four weeks, you've had almost a trillion dollars. I think it's $800 billion from Honda, from Siemens, from Apple. It was $500 billion. Taiwan, a semiconductor, $100 billion in four years. These are massive – Capital investments in top grade.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Unfortunately, as a populist, I think they're kind of on an island because it really hasn't been the center of the conversation with the Democratic Party. But I think those three are pretty good as far as populism goes.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
This is not some sovereign wealth fund saying I'm going to come in or it's not Masa San. It's SoftBank saying I'm going to throw one hundred billion dollars. These are companies that are relocating here. And a big part of that is the tariffs. I say, look, we want to get into the United States. We want to manufacture domestically. It's got a logistics supply chain we can control.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
It's got you know, it's got the rule of law. but most importantly, doesn't have tariffs and it's got lower energy costs. That's the new economic model. And it's going to go through some choppy water to get there. So these are just not a 25% tariff on an avocado coming from Mexico or some part under the hood from Canada. It's much more systematic.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Now, I understand the way it was rolled out because of the emergency nature of it, the focus was on fentanyl and this chemical warfare. Yeah, which is a little...
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
But hold it. The Canadians have been, the Canadians are one of the tough, this is why when you talk about reciprocity on August, on April 2nd, you're going to have reciprocity and tariffs. And in India and Canada- Is that good?
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Listen, Warren Buffett, Warren Buffett, who's a big Democrat and a supporter of many Democratic politicians, because you know him very well, he went to cash. He's sitting on $350 billion in cash a couple months ago. I think he realized that a lot of the markets, particularly equity markets, were driven by NVIDIA and other – all this AI first kind of stage – There was a lot of fluff in that.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
So I think with President Trump, I do think they're coming in because I think he's he's he's changing the geostrategic model of the United States back to a hemispheric defense away from the postwar international rules based order, which is really gut at the United States. It was great for a while. Right.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
But it got it. But it got it. The middle class. Remember in the working class and at the end of the day, we had allies are taking advantage of it. Give me a second on this. If you take the rim of the Eurasian landmass, you got Western Europe, the Persian Gulf, the Gulf Emirates, Middle East. Then you've got the Straits of Malacca, the South China Sea, and then up to Korea and Japan.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Those four nodes. We have commercial relationships, trade deals. capital markets integration, some cultural interface, but it's an American security guarantee. This is how, whether it's NATO or the Middle East or South China Sea or are up with Japan and Korea, we have combat troops there. We have 150,000 troops deployed today in I think 115 countries.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
This is one of the reasons people talk about foreign... aid with USAID, which I'm against a lot of this stuff going on, but it pales in comparison to what we're underwriting for countries that were upside down on every trade deal. Our trade deficit in, I think, in January alone was a record trade deficit. I think it was $100 billion.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
So not just that we have budget deficits, we have trade deficits that are kind of inextricably linked because we've gutted all the manufacturing jobs. We've all shored those. And I think Trump's geoeconomic strategy is a massive reshoring process. And I think you're seeing this now. And I might note, I don't want to take a cheap shot.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
A lot of those traditionally would go back to California, but they're going to Arizona and Texas because I think they're looking at red states now as having lower regulation, lower taxes, and people are going there. And I think this is going to change a massive, the demographic change in the United States as you have Trump's reshoring come back to the United States.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
And so to be fair, that's tied to, getting, unwinding the post-war international rules-based order. We're going to tell people that, hey, we're not going to be everywhere. Kids from California are not going to be on carrier battle groups.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Well, populism, obviously, Obviously, we believe in subsidiarity. We believe in bringing power back to the grassroots level. Right. We're very anti elitist.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
You know, guys deployed from San Diego and kids that live in the Inland Empire are not going to be deployed in the Red Sea with two carrier battle groups that keep the Suez Canal open so that Europe can get you know, can get energy resources from the Persian Gulf. I think those days are kind of over.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
We'll pick and choose as we pull back and look at hemispheric defense, not retreat from the world, not be isolationist, but kind of take care of the homeland first and particularly take care of the people in the homeland, the working class and middle class.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
And one of the reasons is we think the elites in this country, you know, the highly educated elites, the political class, the Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, all of it have really forgotten the underlying kind of principles of the country and kind of left working class people regardless of. of their race, gender, ethnicity, sexual preference. You pick it, they've kind of forgotten.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
They might have been at the beginning, but it was President Trump. They announced it on President Trump's term. If President Trump had not won this election, and he just had... You don't think those companies... No, I do not.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Well, I think... Correct me if I'm wrong. I think Biden in the entire four years was one point seven trillion dollars of capital investment back here from, I think, companies, not just private equity. From the private sector. From the private sector. Right. Not just that. But Trump's almost at a trillion dollars in four weeks.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
And these are Apple because they understand that Trump represents a populist nationalist that's only growing and only going to expand. Right. And people are now focused on this. And that's why I think you have Honda, you have Siemens, you have, you know, the semiconductor company is huge. You know, they're the most advanced, I would say, semiconductor manufacturer in the world.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
The other thing I think is quite interesting is. That traditionally our tech area in 128 in Boston and Silicon Valley are built around great engineering schools and built around Berkeley and Stanford are built around Harvard and MIT. You know, when you start relocating to Arizona on something that's both an art and a science like advanced chip design.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
And, you know, I love Mike Crow at Arizona State. He's a buddy of mine. University of Arizona is a great school. I love Arizona. They're not exactly MIT or Stanford. And I think it's showing you that the red states have done such a great job, Texas being the lead, of actually making these amenable to people's needs as companies that they're coming back there.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
I think it's going to have a huge political impact and a huge demographic. But they didn't come – and Biden, Harris. And if Kamala Harris won, certainly they wouldn't have come because she's still a globalist that's not prepared to disrupt the global supply chains.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
President Trump's prepared to do that because reassuring, they're not going to come back here unless you incentivize them to come back here. And part of that's a carrot, which is what- Well, that was what the IRA was.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
But as you know, Trump's better with a stick and you need a carrot and a stick. But don't those same-
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And, This is Steve Bannon
That's a threat. That's if it goes through some agricultural problem. That's just one example.
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We did this governor. We did the most significant terrorist we've ever done on the Chinese Communist Party in President Trump's first term. And Biden held the line on a lot of this. He definitely held the line. Well, number one, because I think geopolitically he realized that, you know, you've got to stand up to the CCP.
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And I think although you wouldn't remember, you wouldn't have heard it from the media that what President Trump did was a beginning attack. stage of something that had to be done to get the attention of the Chinese Congress Party, that you just can't continue to game the system. And President Trump went out of his way.
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And that's why it's such a big push for kind of these populist economic policies to look to put the lens is not just America first, but American citizens first. And it goes with tax policy. It goes with tariffs. It goes with bringing manufacturing jobs back. It's nationalistic in the fact that
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By May of 19, Lighthizer and Navarro had that deal that went to every seven of the categories they had to resolve to really integrate with the Western economy, really the world's economy, including the state-owned industries. And they just tore the deal up and walked away, right? And said, screw you. And so that's when these tariffs, and the tariffs didn't increase prices.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
So when people say they increase prices, I don't actually think you have some economists saying theoretically, but when we look at practically back to the golden year of 2019, you don't actually see it. And I think there may be some dislocations in the short term
This is Gavin Newsom
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But in the intermediate term, I think it's really the way you get to the sunlit uplands of really having back to the American plan of, remember, world-class industrial manufacturing. That generates so many other opportunities.
This is Gavin Newsom
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policy is where I start to sustain. The key is broad sustain. If you have broad and sustained tariffs and people can make capital allocation decisions, particularly small and medium manufacturers. Remember in the Chicago area, uh, I think between 1998 and 2005, we lost 5,000 small manufacturers and a couple of million jobs because we shipped it all to China.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
And those guys are begging all the time. These are not the apples and it's not the Taiwan manufacturing. Some of these guys are manufacturing. These are small. These companies employ under 100 people, which I think is the lifeblood. In fact, there's a guy –
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And, This is Steve Bannon
In Laguna Beach, John Gardner, who's kind of the leader of this effort to bring the small manufacturing folks back to more craftsmanship type of manufacturing. We have to do that. We have to become a manufacturing powerhouse again. We have to do it quickly. Wall Street's not going to love it because they're all neoliberal neocons. They want to be invading everywhere, and they hate populism.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
One of the reasons people should understand is the is the is the is a blowback among the donor class in Wall Street is not just that they perceive the economics and not to their benefit because they've concentrated concentrated wealth so dramatically here since the financial crash of 2008. But they hate the fact. And this shows you the Democratic Party.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
They hate the fact that they're empowering the populist. If we start to win on these tariffs, if we start to win on bringing these back, our movement is going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. Remember, we got 39% of African-American men. I think the first time we've got a majority or near majority of Hispanics because working class people see the opportunities there.
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Not isolationist, but understanding that we've got to make it right for American citizens and particularly for the greatest resource we've had or ever had, which is the American working man and woman. So it's to push every decision as down low as possible and to get everything back to a grassroots level.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
And Wall Street understands this. And the corporatists understand this. Corporate America is my enemy. Number one, they're the leader in the woke movement in this country. But they're also the greed and avarice has always been for the leaders.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
In fact, the tax cuts they take, and one of the reasons I hate allowing them to do stock buybacks is they gain the system to drive up stock prices, to drive the warrant package and the thing, and they don't put in a capital equipment. Thank you. We are on the same page.
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The president knows this already is taxed. Why does he go after the carried interest? Why is he going after corporate subsidies? I'm going to break some news here, Governor. I believe that one of the leading things you're going to see in President Trump's tax bill when it comes out, that he's going to take on carried interest. And President Trump has finally had a bill. That's it.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
What do you mean? We've got to drill, baby, drill. We need to get- We are 13 and a half million barrels a day. We have to have lower energy costs. And one of the reasons all these companies are coming back, we're never- What we got to do is stop. Look, you see this in Germany. Germany had this maniacal, and you and I are not going to agree on this or even close, but they had this fetish.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
A fetish for net carbon zero. They've de-industrialized themselves on the Greta Thunberg model. They're at 3.5% negative growth.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
No, but they're de-industrializing Germany. We don't want that to happen here in the United States.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
But hang on a second. You've also allowed the oligarchy of Silicon Valley. Well, let's talk about that. Silicon Valley is an apartheid state. You're one of the most progressive leaders in this country. We disagree probably on everything on the cultural side, but you're You're one of the leaders. You're one of the leaders, elected officials of the most progressive state.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
And you're, you know, the leader of that element of the Democratic Party. What do you call it? Techno-feudalism. Techno-feudalism. What do you mean by that exactly? Well, here's what I mean is that two things happened around 2008 to 2010.
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And one of the keys to populism and kind of about the sovereign will is that the use of human agency. that just don't sit there and say, you know, somebody else has got a congressman who's got to do something or a senator's got to do something or a governor's got to do something. You have to use your agency only. And I see this in the Democratic Party now, the people saying, do something.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Well, the bailout, the financial crash of 2008. And this is why I consider President Obama kind of a tragic figure, right? He came in as an anti-war populist. And I am opposed to the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. My daughter served after West Point in Iraq. And I can tell you as a parent,
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You realize that you have no control over anything when your kid goes over for, you know, defending their country, representing their country. It's you understand, you know, how insignificant you are. But the financial crash, you know, Geithner and Bernanke went to a classic Wall Street bailout. You know, we didn't let capitalism, you know, Goldman Sachs got bailed out, AIG.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
No corporate guys ever went to prison on the worst bailout. We had the greatest concentration of wealth until the pandemic. happened with the 1% because, you know, the Federal Reserve's balance sheet went from $880 billion to, I think, four and a half, right? And all that liquidity went to bail out real assets and corporate stocks.
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At the same time, with Obama, when they, you know, when Obama got this heads up, kind of, I think it was on Facebook, the San Francisco airport, this briefing about how social media, his weapon to take on the Clinton mafia, because he was a relatively unknown guy. taken on the most embedded political apparatus in the Democratic Party in modern history. And he took it all with using social media.
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That was his first thing. And there was a deal kind of made, a Faustian bargain, that we wouldn't pursue antitrust. We wouldn't pursue FTC or the Justice Department. We would allow the tech oligarchs in the age of the algorithm, the algorithmic age, to to basically dominate and dominate in every one of these verticals, right, with no real antitrust.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
And what we allowed them to become the most powerful people on earth. But what proved out is that both on social media with TikTok and then with DeepSeek in the AI space, that the Faustian bargain, as a hegemon, we said, just give us the commanding heights. And that didn't happen. In fact, you say it's kind of an utter failure that that the social media is all kind of clunky. It's very dominant.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
Right. But it's clunky compared to TikTok. If you look at AI and whether deep seek, you think it's a Chinese psyop or it's a Sputnik moment. Well, it sure as hell was a disruptor. We clearly we clearly you know, you don't hear a lot of talking about net carbon zero when this thing needs 10 times more power on the data center side. And the thing, because it's kind of brute force computing.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
Governor, don't get there. Because they don't have the power. They don't have their business model now. For that epic fail, what's the... They've gotten away from... Capitalism is about markets and profits, okay? They are now about digital platforms and rent. They're rent seekers. And they don't believe in even open borders.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
These guys are techno-feudalists that you have a digital platform, you had kind of digital serfs that serve that, and you add it to AI and what they want to do in advanced AI of cutting out all the entry-level managerial, administrative... Low tech work, we're going to have a massive problem about unemployment, and they're just on their merry way.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Do something. I think that's a lesson that we learned after President Trump. And look, you know, we disagree on this, but President Trump won the 2020 election and we were kind of shattered as a movement when he left Washington, D.C. And we had to go back to basics to say, you know, it can't be somebody else do something. You know, we had to do something.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
And here's what, just like the lords of easy money on Wall Street came to the Federal Reserve and the Treasury for a bailout, and no working class or middle class people, you know this, in California got a bailout. They paid for the bailout through the taxes. What's the first thing- Silicon Valley comes – the first thing they come for is we need a new mercury program. We need a Marshall program.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
We need $500 billion, and they need to turn over the Lawrence Livermore Weapons Lab in California, Sandia. We need to take control of all the national labs. And we need a $500 billion bailout because of the Sputnik moment. So they come back to the taxpayers. This is why I think these guys are very dangerous. And it's created in the Silicon Valley.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
And I understand at the beginning there was rationale for this, but now it's not. And it's got to be, and I think you've got to be one of the leaders of it. If we're ever to get a control of the oligarchs, you as governor, and as quite frankly, the leader of that wing of the party have got to work with us to say, Hey, this can't go on any longer anymore. First thing we need is Lena Kahn.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
And then Trump threw her out. Correct me if I'm wrong, Governor. I don't think Kamala Harris, I don't think Lena Kahn's name ever crossed the lips of Kamala Harris. I don't recall, but they never had her back. She's the first one to say that they never had her back. She's a neo-Brandeisian after Louis Brandeis, which always warned against the concentration of private power.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Exactly. The most powerful office in our democracy. He was a big believer in human agency. And back to the way back to the with Gil Slater, Gil Slater's deputy with with Andrew Ferguson, also Mike Davis and Rachel Bovard on the outside. We are the most we want to break up. In fact, you see the suits right now in northern Virginia and D.C. against Google.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
I mean, the hardcore populist wing of the MAGA movement really wants to target them up.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Do I have any issues? Do I have any issues? Yeah, I know.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
Hang on. Hang on. You guys love it. See, you loved all the oligarchs and particularly Elon until they flip. And remember, all the rest of these oligarchs were all progressive Democrats until 11 p.m. I don't know if they're progressive. I would...
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And that's where we went back to really a pure populist movement to go at the grassroots, the precinct strategy and kind of rebuild ourselves from there.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
First off, at Treasury, I think you're seeing a very smart analysis about M&A and about the oligarchs. I think, look, with Gil Slater, Andrew Ferguson, I mean, these are one notch down and maybe not as well known as Lena Kahn, but they're in the same school of thought. of neo-Brandeisian, of this concern about the concentration, the tremendous concentration of private power.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
And President Trump's working through this right now. Look, all these guys just became, their Damascene moment was 11 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on the 5th of November when Pennsylvania was called for Trump. Once that, all of them, Zuckerberg, all these guys, they became MAGA. You know, Zuckerberg started growing the hair, working out, doing kung fu fighting.
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Elon, I think very smartly, this goes back to the precinct. I give him tremendous credit. He saw the math of what we were doing as grassroots of this precinct strategy, canvassing. He backed the play. I mean, and look, no one's ever written a $250 million check.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
It may be more eventually. I think it's up to 280. But he backed it on the least sexy aspect, which is backing grassroots going door to door. And particularly he would go up and campaign in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.
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He left Canada to come to California. That was his, you know, South Africa-
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
What the hell is that? Listen, I laid out this concept at CPAC in 17 that it was going to be, you know, populist economics and economic nationalism, America first national security. And the third was a deconstruction of the administrative state. What Elon Musk has done, and I think this is the engineer, you know, the. The better angels of Elon, that engineer's brain.
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I think it kicked in when he saw the strategy of how we actually win in building a coalition of working class people. He supported that in President Trump. I think now and this is why I think he jumped on it. He sees that we have an apparatus. And I think you'd be the first to admit the administrative state that's kind of anti-democratic. It's there.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
And I don't care if AOC or Gavin Newsom or Bernie Sanders walks into the Oval Office, President of the United States, The deep state and the apparatus is going to do what they're going to do. They're going to look at you as just passing through.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
I just had an idea. We should invite Elon because you know these guys better. You're personal friends of these guys. Elon ought to take a California doge, sit down with you so you can get the ground. We've been doing it for years. But go in.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Your favorite family. Let Elon come out. Let Elon come out and verify that. I think for the nation, it would be good. But he hasn't done that. There's a recklessness to what he's doing. Let's go back to Doge. Unaccountable. What he's trying to do is get the waste, fraud, and abuse and identify. He has identified USAID, which people have been working on for years, but he's done a good job there.
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The other is this $20 billion in Citicorp, where it went. I think people are going to eventually need more details. I think he said he's going to provide more details. They just went to federal court last night. A judge ruled. I love it.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
No, I don't think Elon's. I think he is a little bit. That's my personal opinion. I'm just a Mick that yells into a microphone. But but governor. No, here's I think it's important. And this is why I think let's get back to why President Trump won again. You have basically working class people, middle class and particularly lower down the chains. They've seen the bailouts on Wall Street.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean for Trump?
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And, This is Steve Bannon
They've seen the oligarchs be made. They don't think they have agency in a global, you know, global supply chain. They think they're just a cog in the machine, that their voice is not heard. Right. They're kind of dismissed culturally. They consider. And I don't care if you're black, Hispanic or white working class. It's not a race thing. It's it's ethnicity.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
It's you're just dismissed as not being important now with AI coming up. They see that even their children that went to college in that important 10 years that you get out of school, administrative tech, managerial, are probably not going to be there or be there in some dramatically different way than you came up and your dad came up and my dad and myself.
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So I think they see that in the institutions that were supposed to be there to be protective, people question. And the polling shows this category. And that's why I got like Trump. Trump comes up and he says, look, In D.C., not in the room, not in the deal. And I'm going to put you in the room and people feel comfortable.
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That's why they love this kind of days of thunder and every day flood the zone with President Trump is doing. And President Trump and, you know, because you know him very well, he has a visceral connection with. with working class people that people in politics haven't had, you know, for generations. He just has this working class and middle class. They trust him and they believe in him.
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And he's designated Elon. I've got a lot of problems with Elon and you know that. Elon knows it. But what I do admire is that he is trying to get this situation to get the waste, fraud and abuse out. I hope it gets to a trillion dollars. I'm his biggest supporter of that. I don't think we're going to get there.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Well, they did try to they did try. They did try to put him in prison for 300 years. Right. They did try to bankrupt him. That's a guy never had ever had.
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That's deep consequences. And people this summer, and I keep telling people, like, all these corporate CEOs that come to Mar-a-Lago and the tech bros and the broligarchs, and all of them came to the inauguration. They're all partying in their tuxes. I said, this is all great, celebratory. But we're going to go through a firestorm. And I think part of this firestorm is not this CR.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
I think the CR gets kicked down. But this summer, when you start to go through the programmatic changes that you have to have, we have to get control of federal spending. If we don't, we're never going to get rid of inflation. That is going to be the acid test. When you talk about defense, you're going to have the hawks and a lot of other people in the neocons in your grill.
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When you talk about what has to happen to Medicaid... You know, when you talk about the social programs, you talk about snap, you talk about these. We are about to have a national conversation that we've never had. We've never and there's no easy alternatives. All the easy alternatives we left, you know, a decade or a couple of decades ago.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
This is going to get to down to say, hey, we need to get the deficit to under trillion dollars or like three and a half percent. We're never going to people in this. Your audience should understand something. We will never pay off one penny of the face amount of the debt. As we increase this now about every hundred days of another trillion dollars, it's just the interest.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
a set of grievances they did steal according to us and we're firm believers the 2020 election which I think worked out better that providentially that he was able to come back with that gap because I think you're seeing a a much more not just new and improved but somebody that's much more in command of these decisions and really stepping up in a way that we could have never done before
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Right now, the gross interest charge, I think, is a trillion four, which is the way it's got to be looked, not net, because they kind of take the interest on the bonds we sell ourselves and they net it out, which I think is unfair accounting. You got to look at the gross. Right now, it's significantly over the Defense Department.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
And I would tell people, too, as we kind of wrap up or get close to wrap up.
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In the history of countries, no country has ever come back economically that its debt is above its GDP. And we are now at that space. In addition, no nation of national security has ever survived as a major power when the interest payments on their debt go above what they pay for national security. In a trillion dollars, we are now over – Our national security right now is $1 trillion.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
And we are thinking about a trillion two to a trillion four in interest payments alone.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
I don't agree with that. I think if you want to have- Governor, we're- By definition, that substantially increases the problem, increases the debt. If you want to have a shot, if you want to have a shot to get the three and a half, 4% growth, You got to have a supply side tax cuts. You just, and by the way, for people, it's just keeping the tax cut they have today for people.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
I want to see corporations stay. I don't want to see a cut, but on the upper brackets, I don't want to I don't see extension. I want them to go back to the old rates and they have to pay the old rates. And then additionally, if they can't help us get this under control, I'm off for increasing taxes on the day. They will have a tax increase if President Trump doesn't extend it.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
But then I think we'll have another have another tax increase. The one percent, the top three percent, unless they. Because they control Washington, D.C. Unless they work together with working class and middle class people to get this spending out of control and get all the corporate welfare out of this, because we hate corporate, we hate crony capitalism and corporate welfare.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
$3 billion right there. You've got to generate lower energy costs. There are exceptions apparently to the rule. First off, you finally admitted for the first time the net carbon fetish is- I did not admit it.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
For another day, guys. That's not fanaticism. That's called pragmatism. Eventually, you work with Ro Khanna and Fetterman, you'll become more of a populist nationalist, and then you'll probably have a bright future.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
I also think that for your audience, you know, there's a saying that there are decades in which nothing happens and there are weeks in which decades happen. We're living in that time right now. So whatever happens this week, next week, it's going to be quite intense. We have an economy to turn around geostrategically. The beginning of the kinetic part of the Third World War has got to be stopped.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
But no, I don't think it's grievances. I think it's reality. I mean, they tried to no one in American history has the system ever come after. And I think it's one of the problems with the Democrats. You got in a position of having to defend. Remember, I come from a working class Democratic family, an old Democratic family.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
So we're living history every day. And I'm just honored you had me on here. And, you know, we were able to conduct this in some level of decency. I appreciate it, Steve. Thanks for joining us. Thank you, Governor. Appreciate you.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
I was telling some people last night, I said, we didn't know any Republicans. There were just we were Irish, Catholic, working class phone company firemen. You know, a Navy enlisted people. You didn't know any Republicans. They just weren't in your you know, we were in the South also, which is all, you know, machine democratic politics. So you didn't know anybody. You didn't know anybody then.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
And so to see what President Trump had to go through and to see how we've actively changed the Republican Party to actually the working class party. in this country.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
There was a poll done last spring that showed that we as a Republican Party are the working class party and viewed as such, and that President Trump's the leader of that working class party, and the Democrats have become both not just the Wall Street elitists, but also kind of the credential class with the poor underneath, of which we're now trying to obviously recruit not just the working poor, but actually the poor itself to join our broadening coalition.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Don't be giving tariffs stink eye. I don't want to start off with you giving it stink eye already. I'm a tariff guy.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
You know, Governor, I'm not so sure. Let me get there. So in 17, I was a big advocate of that in the first Trump tax plan of actually raising the rates on the upper bracket and doing actually more to the lower bracket of corporations. And it was not just what I thought was right, but also politically expedient. At that time in the spring of 2017, it was really Bernie Sanders and –
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Pocahontas that was going to be the... Senator Warren. Elizabeth Warren is going to be Pocahontas, we call it, going to be the challengers coming from the populist left. And I thought it was very important to nip that in the bud at the time and raise the brackets. Now, I think history shows that they can show you the math that doing all of that actually worked in unison and got us that great
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And, This is Steve Bannon
you know, 2019 today and president Trump, I think invest in a pretty upfront that this is the last chance we're going to get at a supply side cut of that $4 trillion. I think the $2.6 trillion of, of joint, you know, 400,000 and below of couples. And I think you add another couple of hundred billion dollars for maybe the pass-throughs to the LLC.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
So the entrepreneurs get caught up, but that additional trillion dollars is, Unless it can be shown mathematically, and I think people work on this, that they consume, you know, right now, I think the top three percent consume almost 50 percent of what's going in the country. Unless that you're concerned that that will kick you into a major recession if that went away.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
I am I'm pretty adamant about that. You shouldn't the upper bracket shouldn't get it. And even some of the corporations shouldn't get it if they're just going to do stock buybacks. But additional tax cuts should go, as President Trump promised, no tax on tips. no tax on overtime, and particularly no tax on Social Security.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
The purpose I want to do this is I want to convert you to be a tariff guy also. This is part of the process to unwind you from being a globalist, to make you a populist nationalist. It's a long journey. It's a long journey, but I think you'll get there.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
I think we're, not to be argumentative. No, appreciate it. We want to have an open dialogue. I think when you look at Besson and Charlie Gasparino had a pretty good piece in the New York Post today about this. If you add in if you if you look at the growth rates and this predicated on growth, you look at a growth rate two and a half to three percent. Right.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
If you look at what we're trying to do on cutting federal spending, in addition, Doge, which is a waste, fraud and abuse. And you look at additional revenues externally from tariffs. You can get to what Besson's trying to do is take the deficit from six and a half percent of GDP down to three and a half percent of GDP.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
So this not this out of control explosion of two trillion dollars in deficits, which we as Republicans are about to sign off on today. Just so your audience understands this CR today, the House will approve the Biden Kamala Harris spending for this year. Locking it in. They're locking it in. And that's how you can't be.
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And, This is Steve Bannon
Well, because right now, I think with everything it does, and by the way, it's just it's that plus it's a two trillion dollar deficit. OK, I think the reason we're doing it is that the House has not gotten their act together to get these single subject appropriations bills done. They are committed to do that working with Democrats in the spring and summer this year for fiscal year 26.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
And I think to keep the to keep the government open. to keep President Trump hidden on all cylinders, to keep Doge at work in federal court overnight. The federal courts are coming after Doge. This is on at least information. We expect many more lawsuits about that. But I think in the effort to do it, we're prepared. And, you know, we hate any CR. This one we've hated for a long time.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
We're prepared to go along. The president says he needs it. What I love about Johnson for the first time, They just announced they're going to vote on it this afternoon. He thinks he's got the votes in the House to do it. Then they're going on recess. They're sending it over to the Democratic Senate with a play me or trade me.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
It's interesting. I think the Democrats have to make a decision of whether they think it's better to keep it going and keep the resistance they've got in the legislative part, but also in the courts or let Elon Musk, you know, potentially unchain him. With the Doge groups on on who's you know, who's who's a necessary employee versus who's an unnecessary employee.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
I think it's the first time because traditionally the Democrats have always been for keeping the government open. I think they put them in a real conjuring. I think this is Johnson's. It's going to be high stakes poker, I think, this afternoon. But people should understand this is a this is a bitter pill to swallow.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
for us, because we have argued, this is the whole reason Kevin McCarthy, a guy you know very well from California, we got turfed out his speaker. It was all over. It was the deal he cut with Biden that gave President Biden two years and unlimited, no debt ceiling to spend and run up. And McCarthy then didn't deliver on the single subject appropriations bills and he got turfed out.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
So your audience understand, these are huge fights on our side of the football all the time about spending.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
I've been very critical. I think we're I think we're I've been very up until today. I've been very critical about we're in this job because of over promising and underperforming. And I think you got to in leadership. I think now and I think it's a long way from him being out of the woods is that now because you got you got only he's got six months now.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
He's got to deliver like a real budget with real cuts because just back for your audience. The Doge effort is waste, fraud, and abuse, okay? They're kind of like shock troops or special forces, and people can either say they're great or whatever. I would like to see a little more definition of what they've actually found, okay? All of us would. A little bit of accountability, transparency.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
I agree with you. More transparency. But I think – but that doesn't, to me, get to the meat of it because I think you're going to have to have programmatic cuts. And I've been a big proponent that those programmatic cuts have to start in the Defense Department. I was a naval officer for eight years. My daughter went to West Point. I'm not a dove.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
But I think I've been a big critic of the – we're at a trillion dollars now. And that's one of the reasons of this post-war international rules-based order issue. We just can't continue on with NATO. We got to have allies that really pitch in here. But you got to start in the defense department program.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
You have to do programs and billets to get to get the budget deficit to three and a half percent of GDP, roughly under a trillion dollars so that we can start. Somehow we can begin to finance this because right now that's the driver of inflation. You know, Biden, the they just restated their numbers from the fourth quarter.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
And traditionally, the Biden thing has always been – the labor number has always been different, right? It's been one thing and we've criticized that for a long time. This one, the shocker, and I don't think that – and I've said this, that the guys on the economic team did enough for President Trump of pushing this.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
The inflation number went from 2.2 percent to 4.2 percent, and it really didn't even get mentioned in the business press. And I said that shows you the underlying kind of burning inflation. And the reason that is the – you have to finance now essentially a third of the debt. every year.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
So you're talking, I don't know, 10, 12 trillion dollars of government securities you have to sell at higher interest rates. That's what's driving inflation. Plus, I think a too loose Federal Reserve. So you had both a fiscal overspending and a monetary loose money. We've got an inflation problem that's not going to be easily solved. The way to solve inflation is you have to cut, I believe,
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
Federal spending dramatically. You have a Keynesian kind of stimulus all the time and you have to do it. And that's going to lead to painful conversations. It just is because if Doge doesn't find all this waste, fraud and abuse. Right. And they're saying now they think they can get a trillion dollars, which would cut the deficit in half.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
So I mean, Fetterman, look, you've got you. By the way, thanks, Governor, for doing this. I really appreciate it. I wanted to have this conversation for a long time.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
I came out of the Pentagon. And this is why I was adamant about Elon Musk, what we call crossing the Potomac. There's a point in time that people are saying, well, let Pete Hexeth handle the Pentagon. I said, no, to get if you're going to get first off, waste, foreign abuse. I think everybody has to get one for that. And not just that, the Pentagon's got to step up.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
People have to know that because it's always rumored, you know, they can't pass an audit. It's $2 trillion of assets.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Steve Bannon
That's programmatically, but there's $2 trillion on the audit. I think there's $2 trillion in assets they can't put their hands on. Yeah. Jon Stewart was just lighting up one of the undersecretaries of defense, I think, a couple weeks ago about this. So you have to do that. But then programmatically.