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Hey, can we give it up for Charlie Kirk, what he's done here at AmFest? What amazing, Charlie, what size crowd are we anticipating here?
Right near 20,000. Now, we don't have 20,000 seats in there, so it's going to be a little bit of a first come, first serve. And, you know, we've been trying to tell people, hey, tickets are going to run out. I got an email, oh, Charlie, I'll be fine. I said, I don't think you're going to be fine. But we have President Trump keynoting on Sunday.
You're getting one of the keynote addresses tonight alongside Donald Trump Jr. and Tucker Carlson. Can't wait to see the fastball that Steve Bannon brings.
It's going to be wild. It's going to be very wild. But I got to tell you, it's the breakout session. It's the whole package. So the week before Christmas, get people here. The weekend before Christmas, you've got so many motivated people, 18,000. By the way, War Room can still get it by going to AmFest.com. War Room, you still get your 25%.
Charlie's good enough to give us the 25% discount on the first day.
All the way.
way through all the way through so folks if you're in the general area california anywhere come on down you're going to have a great for plus there's high energy we need also to take some time to celebrate and to really i'm not a big celebration either but with all the firestorm going on we got to be able we're going to have come together to end this historic year
Because, I mean, it has been a decade in the making. This one was harder than 16 in so many different ways. Can you talk about that, Steve? Hold on.
I sat in. I think I sat in for Charlie Kirk's first pitch. When Charlie Kirk came with Turning Point, and I sat in for some pretty big donuts. They asked me to sit in. And Charlie's sitting there pitching. And at the time, you're going to take over student government, student governor, president. And I go, that's about the wackiest idea I've ever heard.
But the energy this guy had, this young man had, and...
make note you weren't even going to college i mean you made a big deal so i had only to do this i you know so and to think of just the arc of where you guys have come because it was elon musk that had it had everybody's back but it was the turning point and you focused on get out the vote with the war room posse in the blue wall pennsylvania michigan uh uh wisconsin but you focused on arizona and pennsylvania and look at that you're making those two the uh you're making pennsylvania
the new ohio that's right and you're making arizona the new florida we got cliff maloney right here from pa chase and arizona though we can say something pennsylvania can't say we were the best performing swing state and by far the biggest shift from on arizona is unbelievable five and a half point victory and i understand that we were outspent three to one here in arizona kamala harris just submerged us with television advertisements
Also, Gallego has put in almost $100 million.
That's right, which did not help the ecosystem as far as, but Trump still won by five and a half points. It was the best improvement for him, at least the reported total, because we, you know, 2020.
But you broke their back in Arizona.
They put so much money in here, I thought they had it. So much so, I don't want to get too cocky here. It's possible the Democrats start to retreat from the state if we keep this momentum up.
You have to remember, go back to 2020. What was it, 10.30 at night or 8.30 out here when Fox called it? I mean, that changed the entire dynamic. And we had to get back to that. But I'll be honest with you. I didn't think. I said, look, if Charlie and these guys can get us back with a two, two and a half point, three point win. Five and a half. Five and a half.
Yeah, because, I mean, look, you look at Georgia. That was a 1.8-point victory. North Carolina, 3 points. Pennsylvania, 1.7. Michigan, 1.2. Wisconsin, under 1. Nevada, 3.2. And then Arizona, boom, by far the biggest. And that's a testament to the grassroots, to the ballot chasing.
And you guys did such a job. A little bit Nevada, I think, drafted off that. That's why Nevada, I thought, was going to be 1%.
And we had staff in Nevada, too. We ballot chased there, too. But the point being is that what we did in Arizona worked. We're going to celebrate that. And I mentioned on your program, Steve, the president coming here, big deal, going out west, you know, nearly eight hours of flying.
It's his first really calm and serious address. Yes, yes, yes.
In front of an audience. But he sold me on the phone. He said, Charlie, I will only come under one condition. It is called a tribute to Arizona. You have to understand that at this very convention center was President Trump's first ever MAGA rally. Oh, I remember. His first ever MAGA rally in 2015 was here in this convention center where Tyler Boyer, our COO, actually hosted it and planned it.
And they really like, are a couple hundred people going to show up? Turned out like 2,000 people. The idea of the MAGA rally was birthed in this center. Yes. And now he is coming for his momentous address celebrating the greatest victory in American history.
That's when the media actually realized, hey, at first they thought it was Trump coming down and he was really – because people were telling me, particularly Ailes and the guys at Senior Fox, they go, look, he's just trying to negotiate a better deal with The Apprentice. This is Trump, the master negotiator. And I go, I don't know about that.
It was here in Phoenix in this very building when people all of a sudden go – There's over 2,000 people.
Well, not just people, but I think the president was like, oh, this thing's huge, right? And all of a sudden, this new genre of a political event off the cuff. The Trump rally. Was boring. No one thought it was. Because understand, political events before Trump were incredibly sanitized. They were overly rehearsed. It was almost as if they were putting on a theater play, right? Yes.
Trump was like, I need a microphone, I need a flag, and a bunch of chairs, and let's go. And he did it all across the country. He broke the mold. I think he's did over 900 MAGA rallies since 2016, something like that. I need to get the final number, but it's something extraordinary. So Steve, let's kind of...
Now, this will also be the first one that the first MAGA rally, really, when he's not an active candidate, unless we get into the 2028, but we'll do that.
So what is your whole theory on that? I mean, because my whole theory is that first off, what does the Constitution say?
OK, first off, it's weapons grade trolling. OK, no, but here's the thing. I was out there the other night, and you're an hour and a half. You see, don't get this at AmFest, New York Young Republicans. At AmFest, Charlie runs it. It's high precision. When it says you're going up, maybe a few minutes because of applause or that, but you're going up.
The trains run on time at 30-point USA.
In New York, Gavin Waxer, I love you guys, but I'm an hour and a half late going to the stage, and it's 2,000 people, and they've been drinking since 6 o'clock in the afternoon. It feels like a 747 engine you're hitting. So I had a speech about the bond market and everything President Trump had to do, the things that are engulfing Washington, D.C. today.
But I had to kind of throw that out and start throwing bombs. But I think it's an open question. It has to be an interpretation. It's just like Elon Musk. People are saying Elon Musk should be Speaker of the House. There's no requirement for anybody to be in Congress. Elon, now there is a question about natural born citizen because you're number two in succession.
Mike Davis says, hey, you just go. Maybe you go to present pro temp. So that has to be worked out. It's not locked in because it doesn't say consecutive about. I think it's an open question. And of course, you see their entire meltdown. Just I had 100 articles about that. All the other.
It was everywhere. But the Constitution does say two terms, though, right? Two terms.
But to consecutive terms, it's ill-defined, right? It's still ill-defined. You could have consecutive. It's open for interpretation.
My favorite headline was Steve Bannon, MAGA scholar. Exactly. That was great. So, Steve, now let's get to the immediate, the here and now. I've been planning this event, and this is not me just playing coy. I can't keep up with the CR stuff, right? I mean, it's coming at a high, high pace. The incoming is remarkable. You see the clock here. Just let's draw that down.
Educate our audience that isn't in the bunker right now.
As you know, the Warren posse and the Charlie Kirk show, we don't like CRs. We'd like to have 12 appropriations bills, get it done. This is where McCarthy's gone. Johnson, this should have been a layup. This should have been a two-line CR to kick into President Trump's term. We would agree to that. Or you add, you know, a $10 billion for the farmers, some money for the FEMA, and you get on with it.
Johnson didn't tell Elon, didn't tell Vivek, didn't tell President Trump. He went to the UFC. He went to the Army-Navy game. Never told him 1,500 pages, all Democrat. It's not acceptable. They're up there thinking something else. And look, folks, it's going to be a little messy because of what the country's in. You've got wars in Ukraine, wars in the Middle East, deportations on the border.
We're going to try to get this to be a close-run thing. We're going to help here at AmFest over the next couple of days of the breakout session, get everybody up to speed. I have more to say about this labor right now. President Trump's throwing in the debt ceiling. That's a little gasoline on the fire.
But, Steve, what is the ask? What is a result out of this Congress that we can stomach? Not the ideal. You and I want 12 approved bills. We want real spending. That's not going to happen in this session.
But what can we tolerate? I'd like just to shut it down.
Go home. I know, but what is something we could tolerate?
Well, I think the most we could tolerate is some money for the farmers, a couple of billion dollars for the farmer to bridge him into President Trump, a couple of billion dollars for whatever FEMA needs to do now if there's not money there, and then sign it and kick it into President Trump's, and then next Congress.
And I think there is wisdom to this idea that Trump should not inherit the dysfunction of this Congress. Yes. A clean slate, right?
Yes.
And I don't like talking like that. But Trump day one should not have to fix the problem of this. The debt ceiling. Yes. OK, so, Steve, some people are talking. I think you might have said motion to vacate on this new speaker's race because we got to get through this and hopefully we can get debt ceiling CR together.
The reason I think the president is wise to push the debt ceiling is that he doesn't want Schumer to be able to have leverage with him in future months. Now, do you think it's time that we get a new speaker?
A hundred percent. It's not even a question. Look, Johnson, and I got a lot of grief early yesterday morning behind the scenes because people told me, oh, President Trump loves Johnson. President Trump's got Johnson's back. Don't do this. I said, hey, as soon as he sees the performance, I know Trump. Trump's about performance. This thing's a fiasco. Here's what upsets me. He was with
Vivek and Elon, who have been doing a ton of work. They came to Capitol Hill. They made a presentation. He was with them then. He was with them at the UFC fight. This is Johnson. He went to the Army-Navy game with President Trump and Vivek and Elon. So these are three or four times he's there. Nobody had any idea it was a 1,500-page document that was highly negotiated.
And the giveaways to the Democrats, I mean, obviously, Hakeem Jeffries got two-thirds to 75%.
So he was negotiating this in secret? Is that the implication?
In secret over at least the last six weeks. And he lied about it. He came on Fox and said, hey, you know, it was a simple bill, one page until some, you know, acts of God happened with the hurricane and about the farmers. That's just not true. If you just look at he had every opportunity, including at midnight on the first day they released it in the evening at midnight.
He tells Fox he was on the phone with Vivek and Elon. He didn't even walk him through it. He made all kind of excuses. Then as they spent overnight, Elon was up at four o'clock in the morning or four thirty dropping bombs on this thing as he went through this and said, so look. We have to have somebody that has leadership and courage and can be straightforward.
President Trump, this next, and this is why I gave this, tried to give the speech on Sunday night about the bond market. If you look at the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East, if you look at the deportations, the border, everything has happened there. Those two lines, the one in the middle.
to get the economy right, to get this debt right, to get all the cuts he wants to make, to get Doge's thing. That is so complicated. You have to line up and go down with OMB, the Secretary of Treasury, the National Economic Council.
The Speaker has to be, and his team have to be hardwired into that, because as the Constitution tells us, all taxes, by the way, the taxes, all taxes, revenue generation comes from the House, and all spending comes from the House, and only the House. This is why the Speaker, Johnson's just not up to his task. This is not personal. He's just not up to the task.
And you see this thing about Liz Cheney and Loudermilk sending this criminal referral to FBI. That committee should have been dealt with by the House. A year ago or a year and a half ago, we should have done the whole J6. On anything you can look at, it just hasn't been good enough. We need the best team there. And people are saying Elon Musk.
Hey, I'm comfortable with anybody that the Congress and President Trump supports. If it's Elon Musk, it's Elon Musk. If it's Jim Jordan, it's Jim Jordan. Whoever it's got to be, it's got to be. We just got to get on with it and make sure that we're tight.
I want who the president wants. It's that simple. And so the negotiation right now should be very simple. CR, debt ceiling, but not a boondoggle CR, right? How do we get to a place with bio labs in Uganda? Ukraine and a CR.
No, it's ridiculous. A CR should either be two lines or the alternative would be two lines. You add a couple of billion dollars for the farmers just to bridge them and a couple of billion dollars for FEMA and then a two-year, if President Trump wants a two-year runway on the debt ceiling, you give him two years.
The way that it was presented is that this was like a last-minute rush deal, but you read it. This has been negotiated intimately.
No, we had three or four months of this in September.
But hold on. If the debt... It's somewhat evidently dead, but if all the Democrats vote for this and a couple Republicans, this bad CR could still pass.
This could, but I think right now they've pulled it. The bad CR they pulled, yes.
It's too much.
They're dead.
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I mean, Johnson, Jim Jordan. Or Elon Musk. I agree with you. Look, the president got shot in the head and four months later won a landslide victory, a sweeping victory. Held the House, took the Senate, took the White House. To me, he gets the team. That's why I'm very upset that Gates... step down. But you got Hegseth, the rest of his team, we have to have their back.
The war on posse has done an amazing job of fix band as your show has to every day, having their back, making sure that that he gets the team. I also think on the speaker, it's however President Trump thinks. He was a Johnson guy, but it's about performance. And what he had not seen that early in the morning was what a fiasco this was. I knew he'd sit there and go, hey.
Now, he has said if Johnson mans up, right, and show some leadership, show some discipline, which heretofore we haven't seen. President Trump, I have his back up. That's what President Trump said. Obviously, the war room will go with it and have his back. We will give him our unesparated opinion about what we think and who we think. I think Jim Jordan would be terrific.
If Elon Musk, if the president wants Elon Musk, let's try it and see what the constitutional scholars say. Because, you know, the Speaker of the House. Is I think much more obviously much more powerful than the Senate pro tem and much more powerful than the vice president. It is the number two most powerful. Nancy Pelosi showed you this.
If it's it's in direct succession to the presidency, it's number two. Obviously, you can't be a natural. You have to be a natural born citizen to have that. But Mike Davis tells me, hey, you could just skip Elon if anything happened to the president or the VP and we could get on with it. So I think it's what President Trump wants. But I think that that is right now we have to get through this.
And I'm very comfortable with the government shutting down and just waiting to President Trump shows up in January to get this done. It'll be messier, but President Trump can sort out. But the speaker's race happens on the 3rd of January. They come back on the 2nd.
They swear things they do.
It's a very they swear in and then they roll.
100%.
If you're right now messing around, and some of these guys, Cassidy's been terrible. He voted for impeachment. I mean, he's a dead man walking politically anyway. But some of these people that are coming out, and not just that. It's not even coming out and saying, I'm not voting for him.
Leaking after the meetings, like they said on Gates, Gates already committed to not going after Tony Fauci, not going after NBC, not going after Liz Cheney on just regular investigations. The folks up there got to understand. This has got to be a tight-run thing. We're going to get everybody through. All these people deserve it. It's an incredible team.
For those leaking, you know, eventually there's going to be a lot of primary trials for people in cycles. So the Tom Tillises, you saw Joni Ernst was a perfect example. Folks got to understand, people at home are watching. Although we won this huge victory, we're not a huge celebration crowd like you.
I can force myself to celebrate.
People are already in now wanting the details of what's going on, and they're already thinking downrange of the primaries in 2026.
Isn't it a little bit encouraging, though, Steve? I mean, the CR is super frustrating that we were able to kill it so quickly. Would that have been the case eight years ago or even a decade ago? Can you speak to that really quick?
No, it would have gone through. This is the new ecosystem. Look, this is what the change, the mainstream media is now can't throw a punch, right? But even the old classic conservative, just Fox News, everybody trying to get on there, it doesn't work. You know, with all the different venues, when you have Turning Point, your show, your podcast, your radio show, all of it, this audience, they're
here's what they're thirsty for inside baseball details and they'll show up and do the work but to do the work they want to feel like they're part of it and they are part of it so the ecosystem on the right and i might add the far right is now driving the conversation this thing was dead in a couple hours and today you're hearing snarky anonymous quotes saying well you know elon musk are these you know the right wingers of charlie kirk and steve bannon they don't get us they don't get to tell us and i just say put your name on that
Just put your name on that and we'll see how it turns out.
Stand up and be counted.
Stand up and be counted.
I love when these eight anonymous senators say they're going to vote against Tulsi. What are your names, actually? Exactly. Tell us.
Tulsi's so fantastic.
By the way, that's going to be a big fight. Big fight. Big fight. I think Tulsi, Bobby, I think Hegseth, I think he's on a glide path.
I think Cash is on a glide path.
I agree.
I think Pete is on a glide path.
They're going to go all in on Bobby and Tulsi. Tulsi, 100%. I have always said this, and people disagreed. The keeper of secrets is not something they're going to hand over to Tulsi Gabbard. Exactly. Heig said they think they can manage him. They think they can put him in time.
Tulsi's too aligned with us.
I know, but think about it. If you actually read the charter of the DNI, it supersedes the CIA.
Big time.
Well, the CIA reports don't. No one's ever used that power, though. It's always kind of been like, okay, you're at liberty. And that's harassing.
It's harassing. People have to understand the FBI and CIA are in every aspect of our government. That's the deep state controlling the administrative state.
Steve, thanks so much to you tonight. Everybody, give it up for Steve Bannon.
Thank you, guys. I'll see you later. For the War on Policy, I'll be back here this afternoon.
Awesome. Thanks. Joining us now is Cliff Maloney, my man Cliff, from pachase.com. Cliff, so much to discuss. What is going on in the great state of Pennsylvania?
You know, we're happy in Pennsylvania. We should be happy across America. We got Donald Trump going back to the White House. We got your Ducks undefeated. Undefeated. My birds. My birds. Ten wins in a row. Franchise record. Is that right? And America, if you didn't know, Charlie, we're back-to-back World War champions. Things are very good. This is the golden age, folks.
And we're going to avoid World War III.
Amen.
So, Cliff, I think this will be instructive. Walk us through now the analysis of what happened in Pennsylvania. Can we get a map of Pennsylvania of the election results? Because a lot of what we were talking about, we had you on the show beforehand, what we have to do. We had you on the show during when we were counting votes, what we think was happening. But the dust has settled yesterday.
19.
19 electoral votes for Pennsylvania went for Donald J. Trump. What happened? Walk us through region by region. Educate the audience on this remarkable and historic win.
Yeah, well, let's start with how we got involved. So I always have to give you this credit, Charlie, because very few people understood. The idea of these Trump supporters becoming Trump voters, which turning point action is just championed and led on for a year, if not longer.
And so this idea that we have to hit low propensity, you came to me, Tyler came to me and said, hey, listen, Pennsylvania is a mammoth. We're owning Arizona. We're owning Wisconsin. Can you guys take your door knocking apparatus and just we'll help with infrastructure, we'll help with data and just double down and do what we're doing in these states.
So in Pennsylvania, the problem was in 2020, right, we weren't adapting to the rules. We weren't out there chasing ballots and talking these low propensity folks to request and to get people in. So if you guys look here at the map, I mean, now that's a beautiful map. I've got to be honest with you. That is a beautiful map. So how much did we lose Center County by? It was less than $1,000.
Are you kidding me? It was so tight, Charlie.
Do you understand how much more beautiful that map would be?
Let me explain Center County and give Charlie a shout-out here.
That's my obsession. That was like the heat-seeking missile.
So Center County, Penn State University, Charlie goes out there, does a barn burner event. He's tossing MAGA hats, registers all these voters at Pennsylvania State University. I got to give the specifics. So there's a state house race. Therese Holland, great patriot. Nobody said she could win. OK, that seat was lost by 14 or 15 points in the previous election cycle. You guys do the events.
You register the voters. We chase the votes. Loses by a half a percentage. We flipped it 14 points.
Charlie, I'm going to be back to keep that map up on screen. So Center County is the home of obviously Penn State. As you mentioned, it's a monster county and traditionally it is a D plus 10. 10 or 15. 10 or 15. And again, this is the story of turning point action on the ground. I was like, Cliff, I think we could win Center County or lose by less. We're going to get it one of these years.
We're going to win Center County. And we had 5,000 students show up to just one of our events at Penn State University.
I told your wife Erica this. I said, I hope you don't mind. I'm going to need Charlie every single week in Pennsylvania in a swing county doing these events because it does have such an impact with the registration. So anyway, back to the map.
You know, obviously, Allegheny County, Philadelphia County is the blue in the south, in the southwest, the bottom left of your corner. That's Allegheny.
And then you see Philadelphia.
He won Erie. I told you he was going to win Erie.
Listen, you did and we worked hard. I was not always a believer, but we did pull off Erie, which was huge and major, major ramifications there with the state Senate seat that we were able to hold in Erie County. But then if you look southeastern PA, you got Philadelphia and the collar counties.
The Democrats lost not only because we turned out Trump supporters and made them Trump voters, but man, was there no joy for Kamala Harris. And black men, Charlie, I'm telling you, we have done door knocking for a while. I have never seen black men so, one, excited for Donald Trump, and two, absolutely loathe Kamala Harris's policies.
I want to celebrate what you guys did at P.A. Chase, but emphasize it even more because the election results actually were a little bit closer in the final tally than I think people will really realize. I mean, the final margin was 120,000 votes. How many votes were you guys responsible for at P.A. Chase?
And I'm trying to build you up here because there is this belief it was a landslide would have happened automatically. I don't buy into that premise.
So we knocked on 510,000 doors. That's unbelievable. And our objective from the start was to knock 500,000. But Charlie, you've always said this, and I respect it so much. Action is just action, right?
Don't confuse activity with results. Correct. That is one of the Ten Commandments of Turning Point Action.
And so we said, all right, well, how are we going to measure our success with what we're doing? Because if we just go out there and knock 500,000 doors, yes, it's a great accomplishment. But how are you measuring what you're doing? Right. You have to win. And so we looked at the roll mail in vote and said, do we want to just say, hey, what is the Republican result from 2020 compared to 24?
We said, you know, it's a little tough because you had covid. You had all that hype and fear. Both Democrats and Republicans were expected to go down. And so when we launched PHAs, we said, hey, let's do a percentage of the total amount Democrat mail-in for Harris versus Trump's mail-in. And so we said 33%. We modeled it out.
Trump could win with 30%, but 33%, and we think it's a resounding victory that pulls Dave McCormick across the finish line. Final results, Trump versus Harris, Donald Trump received 34.5% of the mail-in vote.
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I can proclaim to you right now, we do not have 53 Senate seats and Trump's cabinet would be in jeopardy. And we would not be Senator Dave McCormick without Cliff Maloney at P.A. Chase. I can say that. And I could even go as far to say on the McCormick, less on Trump. I think turning point played a big role in the McCormick. I think us together, it's bulletproof, right?
That you are looking at Senator Dave McCormick. And he's been very gracious, by the way.
I mean, he's... And you got a rock star, Noah Formica. You better hold on to that kid for a while.
We got to get Noah on the show.
That guy is seriously. I mean, we obviously chased it all. But him, Scott Pressler, the whole turning point team registering voters was just a huge one to punch in the state. But Charlie, once again, we knocked five hundred and ten thousand doors to only win by one hundred and twenty thousand. Yes, it was a resounding win.
But yeah, I would say, you know, if you look at the math, we talked to about two hundred two hundred and twenty five thousand people directly at the door. And when you win the state by 120,000, you got to get excited. It's massive.
And so the idea or the big picture vision, can we turn Pennsylvania into Ohio? Is that in the cards? Can we duplicate this? Can we replicate this? The reason I think yes is less about data. It's how Fetterman is acting. Fetterman is acting like he's representing a red state. Can we turn this into the new Ohio?
Yes. I don't want to announce anything too soon. We've got some things coming in January. We are going to relaunch and we're going to really have some concrete goals for 25.
And the messaging campaign, make Pennsylvania, Ohio, is not great. That's not exactly going to fire up.
We'll just make Pennsylvania the red wall. We'll take their verbiage and use it.
That turnpike rivalry, you're going to have riots.
But I do think, I mean, the thing about Pennsylvania, it's not a state where you're trying to create new voters. We have Trump supporters, right? We just have to continue to make those America first supporters voters and consistent voters, not just one out of fours, not only showing up when Trump's on the ballot. I think we do that work. You've got my word.
We're going to triple down in PA and we're going to make a red wall.
And so what does that look like? Let's talk about House representatives. Where's the low hanging fruit in the U.S. House? Is Conor Lamb still in there? Is that how is that Sean Parnell district? That's what I was thinking of it as colloquially. Is that still Democrat control?
Yes. But you guys put out a really good like the top 10 swing districts expected for 26. Three of them are in Pennsylvania nationally. It's the three that we won this cycle. So seven and eight, we flipped with Bresnahan and McKenzie took Democrats out. Scott Perry, obviously our number one patriot in Pennsylvania, 10th district. So those are going to be the three strongholds.
Charlie, the Democrats have already announced Shapiro is going to have people in those districts January 1 of 2025.
So let me get this straight. They don't rest. So we flip two districts in Pennsylvania and we still only have a couple seat majority. So without what you did in Pennsylvania, we have Speaker Hakeem Jeffries.
Correct. It's amazing. Correct. And it's funny because when you target and you focus in a lot of these districts, I mean, these races were all won by about a percentage. A percentage. Scott Perry won by 1%, less than a percent.
And so it's really cool when you're an activist on the ground, you know this from all of the thousands of activists, hundreds of thousands of activists you guys have, to see that look in their eye on election night, Charlie, it is an amazing experience when they know they made the difference for such a huge win.
So you have a breakout here. I think you're doing something here. What is your message to the grassroots? Because there's millions of people at home say, Charlie, I wish I could go to AmFest. I wish I could go to AmFest. What is your message to somebody watching right now that is celebrating Trump's win? What are the marching orders in 2025?
Because if we seize 2025, we are going to be able to defray any sort of Democrat counterattack in 26.
Number one, permanent infrastructure, right? If you're an activist out there, the battle has been won, but the war has just begun, right? We have to triple down, get involved with Turning Point, get involved with a local chapter, come work with us to doorknock. The idea that we can now go home, I mean, what an amazing thing just happened on X to be able to shut down a continuing resolution.
Charlie, that never happens.
I mean, you and I have seen these CRs and CRs for quite some time, and now we finally have a counter.
It is the first time in probably 100 years the establishment's playbook has a defense. And that defense is instead of just delay, delay, delay. Oh, Christmas time. We have to vote. Now it's wait a second. We're going to analyze this bill in 30 seconds using AI and call out the rhino swamp creatures. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that. So we are in a new era here.
The battle is won, but the war has just begun. That's my message to the grassroots. Keep up the fight.
My man, Cliff. And Cliff will always be in the legendary, the legends of Turning Point for being, leaning into. Remember this moment. That's right. The Al Michaels miracles do happen moment. I'm telling you, it is. Do you believe in miracles? It's Al Michaels right there. It's just, there's no escaping it. It's like everyone gets me. He's like, who is that guy narrating it?
I said, well, he actually did a lot of work. Cliff, you're the best. Thanks so much. Appreciate you, Charlie. Okay. We have James O'Keefe here. James, great to see you, my friend. Charlie. How are you doing? Great. You've had a great year. You had some really good stories. I know 2023 was tough for you. It's all public, you know, but how is 2024 for you?
Well, it's great. You know, we have right now we have whistleblowers inside the government that are very excited to come forward. They feel like there's a new dawn of a new era. And with this new administration, I think maybe they'll be protected. We'll see. And then we also have people in the deep state we're exposing right now.
So that's an interesting point. So can the president, by executive order, or at least instruct his DOJ to expand whistleblower protections?
I think the executive branch of government can be helpful to ensure they're not retaliated against.
So if there was maybe a memorandum signed on the first couple of days, theoretically, and the president says there will be amnesty given no retaliation to any whistleblower of things you saw during the Biden administration. And he proclaims that. Could you imagine the incoming? I mean, what based on your reporting, what would that what would that result in?
I think it's going to result in 10x, 100x more people coming forward and commitments from the heads of these agencies, some of whom I've had conversations with, and they're going to fire anybody who retaliates against that person. Also, I think the capacity for reform is going to encourage more people to come forward. In fact, we should do the opposite.
We should incentivize whistleblowing. Now, we don't want to get into a place where you're tattling because your boss was mean to you. Correct.
Can you differentiate? That's a very important distinction. I think people who are witness to crimes, corruption, like, for example, the IRS, if you've seen people targeted because of their politics, that's illegal. If you have evidence of that, incontrovertible video recordings or images, that's what we're looking for.
So talk about some of your recent reporting that you have found. You had a guy on the National Security Council who basically said Biden is a corpse. Am I correct?
He said Biden is dead. This guy's the he's a former spy. National Security Council at the White House. Worst espionage ever. A lot of deep state actors in the government. Charlie, if you're one of the good guys, blow the whistle for the bad guys. You might be on a date with one of my swipers.
Let's play cut 91. This is Harry Appel, part of the NSC. I hope you guys understand, this is not some sort of dog-catching enterprise in D.C. The NSC, this is the president's personal national security apparatus. Not Senate-confirmed. It works straight out of the White House. This is not even Pentagon. This, in some ways, has a direct connection to the commander-in-chief.
Do we know this guy's title at the NSC?
He's an advisor to the National Security Council.
Okay, that's a big deal. There's only 50 or 60 people that work in the NSC. In fact, everyone in DOD wants to one day become a National Security Council advisor. Play cut 91.
Well, here's the thing. Joe Biden is, like, dead.
He, like, can't say anything.
He's, like, really, like, progressed in his old age.
Everybody recognized.
I can't believe it wasn't a bigger scandal. He'll be dead in a year. So for those that couldn't hear, what was he? Can you transcribe that?
He was saying that Biden is dead, quote, dead and can't complete a sentence. And then he says he's concerned that Trump is going to come after them. I say maybe they should come after them because you work for the National Security Council and you're talking in a public restaurant to a stranger.
The Wall Street Journal says how the White House functioned with a diminished Biden in charge. That's a nicer way to harmonize with your reporting. By the way, this is the power of James O'Keefe. James O'Keefe comes out with this story and then creates intellectual permission for the Wall Street Journal to write that.
That's right. Have you seen that pattern before, James? I think they're, you know, they're not willing to do what I do. But, I mean, none of this shocks people. It's not surprising, but it's confirming, Charlie. And like I said, 2025, the year of the whistleblower. If you're a good guy, come forward. If you're a bad guy, be careful. I'm going to get to work on this.
I think I'm going to tell the president and his team, we need to have a 90-day whistleblower amnesty program.
Yes.
And James, is your team prepared to have the incoming?
Yeah, I have a 5-1-C-3 Citizen Journalism Foundation. We're going to pay their legal bills.
How do people support that?
Well, it's citizenjournalismfoundation.com. It's a 5-1-C-3. We're going to pay the legal bills, give them money in case there's retribution. And I think, Charlie, exactly that. The executive branch of government, if there's any way that they can be protected, because congressional whistleblower, they don't really enforce that.
So I think there's an opportunity right now to have their backs and have them come forward.
I love that. So the 90 day, just theoretical, you have 90 days to report all crimes, corruption. And again, if you're going to just be like, well, you know, this guy misgendered me. OK, thanks so much. That's not whistleblowing. OK, we're going to talk about, hey, for example, Border Patrol knew that kids were being smuggled and they didn't. Correct.
And I'm on your stage tomorrow. I'm going on stage. I'm going to bring a few of these people out. Federal whistleblowers are going to meet him here.
I love this, James. I think that your emphasis, your focus, your life's work has been in and around this idea of courageous truth tellers. But the description of whistleblowers looking retroactively at an outgoing, unpopular treasonous and criminal regime. James, I think you could you could reform government for a generation. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always.
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