James O'Keefe
Appearances
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
871. Andy & DJ CTI: Trump Unfurls Plans For Double 100-Foot Flagpoles, SCOTUS Appears Poised To Side With Maryland Parents Over LGBTQ+ Books & Amish Community Helps Rebuild Western North Carolina
James O'Keefe here in Arlington, Virginia in front of the Pentagon. The branch chief inside the Pentagon saying on hidden camera he's going to resist against Trump and Hegseth. Now since President Trump was elected and assigned Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense, the DOD has faced a number of leaks in the past few months from employees inside the Pentagon.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
871. Andy & DJ CTI: Trump Unfurls Plans For Double 100-Foot Flagpoles, SCOTUS Appears Poised To Side With Maryland Parents Over LGBTQ+ Books & Amish Community Helps Rebuild Western North Carolina
There's some type of deep state forces that want to make sure you don't stay there.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
871. Andy & DJ CTI: Trump Unfurls Plans For Double 100-Foot Flagpoles, SCOTUS Appears Poised To Side With Maryland Parents Over LGBTQ+ Books & Amish Community Helps Rebuild Western North Carolina
The Secretary of Defense Pete Hexeth has been going on media interviews expressing that there are people within the Pentagon who want to resist the president and hurt his policies.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
I love it when a kid whose headphones are too big for his head is giving the world life advice. I think that, that was that kid, if you couldn't, if you can't see it. It depends on the primary structure for the 2028 presidential election. If they skip Iowa and New Hampshire again, it is very clear they're going to move to the center because black voters, I'm going to
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
who will make up a majority of the voters in South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, these early states. I don't know about Florida anymore, but it was Florida forever. In the Democratic primary, they are centrist. They are centrist to conservative Democratic voters.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
The reason that Joe Biden was able to resurrect his entire career in the 2020 Democratic primary is because the South Carolina black voters voted.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
resurrected him um had uh and that's why iowa was was where brock obama was able to get a start and he probably would have won anyway in south carolina because he's a black candidate but a lot of moderate candidates find their success in the deep south if the deep south is the beginning of the 2028 presidential calendar it is because the party is looking for a moderate person if they start in nevada iowa new hampshire anything like that it will be leaning progressive
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
Yeah. And you're missing the people who are professionally hate men and white people. That's all. And Christians. Those are also the very, very they've kind of fallen between those things. But that's also the very fifth, very important portion of it. And look, it's not a majority. And if you look at that David Shore deep dive, which I know you've talked about in the past, it's.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
The Democratic Party's worst demographic in the last election was men under the age of 20. Like it is such a reversal because of how toxic some of their politics have been. And the fact that Jasmine Crockett is a tie with Barack Obama in the CNN poll of who is the leader of the Democratic Party. They have the dime store Cardi B, who was a middle-aged woman who went to elite private schools.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
And then the former president who hate him or love him was the former president and a very eloquent speaker with Jasmine Crockett, who was comparing a paralyzed person and calling him Hot Wheels today at the Human Rights Convention. That is really a startling place for how much the party has kind of lost its mind and how much bigger the tent for the Republican Party has become.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
Well, one, the focus by Democrats on things that don't matter, like abortion and like the rise of fascism, which most people in their regular lives don't honestly think is the one is happening and two is, you know, happening tomorrow. And also the fact that Democrats really had a breakdown of civil society. Look, Democrats run almost every one of our major cities in America.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
the places in the 90s and 2000s that everyone wanted to be. Everyone wanted to be like, you know, in New York or Los Angeles, thriving metropolitan cities. And they're all losing people. You know, I was actually thinking this before. If you look at the new census numbers that had the number of immigrants moving to these cities and kind of growing them,
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
If it were not for mass immigration, blue cities would actually feel the repercussion of failed policies, and it's only because they keep bringing in these third world immigrants that sit there and kind of bring the population back. But Americans have rejected them with their feet. They're leaving them in mass, and they have for the last five years. They have failed on labor.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
on quality of life issues across the board. And then they defend lawlessness from crime and riots to the border. And they expect you to feel more sorry for an illegal alien who's in a gang and has gang tattoos and was deported quickly than they do for that poor girl, the nursing student who was killed in Georgia.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
That is a complete and total breakdown of where their thought process and what priorities are when it comes to how Americans live every day.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
I would just sit there and say that the work that you've done, the work that a lot of people do, the part, the thing that like the Liz Cheney's did not understand is what is a moderate? A moderate is not always Susan Collins. A moderate is very far right in immigration and maybe centrist on abortion and left wing on healthcare. That's what a moderate is.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
And we hit where the moderates actually cared about, like on immigration, the border and the war against white people.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
She is 43 years old and went to a K through eight school that now costs thirty five thousand dollars a year. The idea that she's ghetto or whatever she's presenting herself as is the biggest joke. I mean, she's doing she's doing some kind of bit, I guess, to sit there and prove herself somehow. And it's just I don't know. Listen, she's in a super safe Democratic seat over.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
And I think Dallas or Houston is one of the two. And she's trying to say this is how I will break through as a potential lead in the Democratic Party, either to have a post career as a television host or a speaking engagement person. Or she's going to sit there and run with AOC in the most in the ticket that will really show Americans are tired of this bit.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
Somebody who speaks English well, unlike Congressman Crockett, that would be a starter to a man. I think Democrats are going to take a break from nominating women for quite some time. It's just the truth. And I think that they're going to probably pick a man who is not a white man, who checks a lot of boxes, who speaks well and has centrist career things.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
I mean, look, if you watch the Harris DNC convention and the Hillary DNC convention, it looked a lot like a George W. Bush convention in the way they sounded about certain things, patriotism, America. They've definitely taken this road. And I just don't think there is enough people in the Democratic Party who who live in Bushwick, Brooklyn, who've got pink hair, just that they were nominated.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
AOC could not win a statewide primary in New York against Chuck Schumer. That is why I believe partially she's looking at a national primary. And there is nothing, running for off president is a career booster. That is how you end up becoming Pete Buttigieg, which you would have never done if you had to run just being a mayor. So I think that there's going to be a lot of people in the clown car.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
But at the end of the day, I think black voters who make up the majority of primary voters for the Democratic Party in a lot of states, especially the big southeast states, they will be voting for a moderate man, probably a man of color. And I think that Westmore has what it takes right now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
I mean, it looks I don't if she was not, I don't know what else she would be doing. Like she's not doing differently than I would be advising if I was a Democratic consultant. There's nothing that she's doing that would make me think she's not running for president. I don't think she's running for a statewide office in New York.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
I just don't think she's going to challenge Chuck Schumer's, you know, $50 million coffers. And she does, she, she isolates too many people in New York. There's too many voters who absolutely be appalled by her. So I think she's going to look at a, at a national thing and being the national voice of the party. And she has a better chance of doing that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
Although I don't think she can win than she does at being a state, a U S Senator, which by the way, she's not a super effective legislator to begin with. Why would she be a Senator for?
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
Or be a populist progressive in the sense that you – like they used to be. Like be like – what's it called? What's this? The labor activists of the 1970s. Be super pro-union. Be super pro-worker and be against illegal immigration, which drives down their wages. trying to mix, but they don't want working class voters. That's their ultimate problem. There is a path for Democrats to move forward on.
The Charlie Kirk Show
What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?
Talk about billionaires in the Trump administration or the wealthy or tax cuts. There is a road for them to walk on and be a working class party. They have no interest in working class people because they're revolted by them. They are the party of college educated people who have those signs.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Thanks so much. It's great to be on, as always.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Yeah, I mean, I think it was – I saw somebody else refer to this as the art of the – I think it was Matt Gaetz, actually. And I think he's right and certainly has the credibility to say that. I just think it was a very practical decision on President Trump's part. I think he doesn't need the disruption anymore.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
I think it's very different to have a big game of chicken when we don't control the White House and we don't control the Senate as opposed to a time where we have the new president coming in. We've got we've got all three branches of government and we just don't need the distraction.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Well, I think that's what some folks are worried about. I'm not as worried about that. I mean, I don't think that we're going to wind up with some weird thing where it's like, oh, gosh, you know, some weird thing happened and all of a sudden we're going to have President Harris. I mean, I understand why folks are going to be concerned about that, but it just seems sort of far-fetched.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
But I think people are just trying to avoid chaos. They're trying to avoid a bad look, and they're just – going to go forward on that basis that they want everything to run smoothly. And maybe Johnson is not the ideal guy, but he's the guy we have. And so we're going to go forward with him.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Yeah, well, I think, as usual, the truth is often somewhere in between. I think that this has actually been a really healthy debate. I'm not one of those folks who's been discouraged by it. Charlie, I know you've been pretty vocal about the fact that we need to find a kind of way to work together with all the members of this coalition. But I'm glad we had the discussion today.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
i don't think that i think what it has exposed is that a lot of these h-1b folks are actually not at all elite and at the very worst i think we can come out of this with an h-1b system like my friend mark kirkorian at the center for immigration studies has pushed that you would have an auction so that you really are only getting at least a higher skill higher uh folks up on the food chain to do this um but i think look immigration is going to be an issue for the base it's certainly an issue for me
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
And I'm glad that we put a shot across the bow. And I think hopefully the tech right folks are going to pause a little bit and realize that we need to get some real wins on immigration if they're going to get anything that they really want on H-1B.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
No, absolutely. And in fact, I have a whole chapter in my book that's essentially on Silicon Valley and what happened here. And I've got a subsection of that chapter called the H-1B scam that kind of goes into this a lot. So I think you've got all sorts of concerning things happen. You have a lot of ethnic nepotism in hiring going on.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Once you get whites kind of getting shoved out of these processes, you get blackmail. White middle Americans often not even kind of being in the position set where they're considered. Often that's a public school system failure. So it's a whole bunch of things. But you've also had over the last few decades, you've had a net white flight from Silicon Valley that we haven't talked about.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
It hasn't just been a question of, oh, we brought in all these great immigrant engineers and everybody's living happily ever after. We've changed the country in that area so dramatically that the people who used to live there have kind of gone elsewhere despite the huge economic opportunities.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
I don't think that in an unrestrained way, at least, that's something that we want to repeat in the country as a whole.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Right. Well, I think, you know, we could try. It's going to be really hard because the civil rights division of DOJ is not going to want to move, but we've got a nominee there, Harmeet Dhillon, who is going to be terrific. And I think she'll do everything she can to make it move.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
But a lot of these things are actually, as much as people like me do talk about how we need to reform a lot of our civil rights laws, a lot of our existing laws are being violated by these companies pretty blatantly. They've got all sorts of preferences and And Mark Andreessen, who's sort of been a tech ally of the right, has been talking about this recently.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
They've got all these companies that are just doing racially preferential things that damage white people that are not allowed under current law. And so I think if we go after these guys, that's going to help a lot.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
If we look, I mean, there are situations where there was a whistleblower at Google I talk about in my book who says that they were explicitly being told to, like, discard the resumes of white men in particular. Right. I mean, you get a couple of painful civil rights decisions against these guys and you're going to get different different outcomes.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
So I think there's a lot that Trump can do just with the executive branch. And if we can do things with laws, that's obviously great as well. But that's always a heavier lift than just using the powers that we are going to have walking in the door.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Yeah, I mean, certainly I spent 14 years at Stanford, and we saw this where you, in engineering particularly, you had just all these spots being taken by foreign grads. There's a number of problems with that. And, of course, in a place like Stanford, look, I mean, these guys were really smart, certainly at the top of the level. These were the sort of 0.1% that everybody talks about.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
But I'll tell you, and this was not something that Stanford – I think has talked about publicly, but nobody put me under an NDA. So I'll talk about it. I can tell you that among our engineering and science profs, there was real concern about espionage, particularly from China, among some of these graduate students. And there were there were, in fact, departments and programs
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
where there was sensitivity about even having graduate students from some countries. So there, there is a lot of, there is some awareness, uh, even among these top universities about what is going on, but there's a reluctance to talk about it. And we're also boxing out our own people.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
And I think part of the really good discussion that's come out of our side is that we're not just having some sort of war of all against all where every native born American should, you know, have to work 80 hours a week to compete with some foreigner. Um, We should unapologetically significantly favor our own our own citizens. That's not woke. It's just common sense.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Yeah, no, I think it's critical, Charlie. And again, I've really appreciated you taking that role. And that's certainly the role that I've tried to play in a more minor key as well. Look, I've lived in Silicon Valley. I was an ex-tech guy. I kind of understand how those guys think. I've also been involved in the kind of immigration patriot movement since even long before MAGA.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
So I certainly, that's sort of my home intellectually. But we do need to keep these guys together. We obviously need to keep our voters in mind because that's the people who put us in office and we do need to put Americans first, period. At the same time, The folks in tech who have supported us, and in the cases like Elon Musk, just played an enormous role in helping get Trump elected.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
They have real needs and interests, and we need to figure out how we can work together to meet some of those needs consistent with the national interest. And once all the kind of shouting died down a little bit about H-1Bs, we began to see some more productive opportunities. suggestions being made.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
And I think if they're willing to help us on the illegal immigration question, on the mass deportation question, on getting rid of diversity visas, I think they're going to find that if big tech folks help us there, we can have a much more pleasant discussion about what we can do about real top 0.1% tech folks who they feel like they may need for their business.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
So I actually think the good news is we've had this conversation before we're even getting into office with our coalition. And I actually am quite optimistic. I see that there's a good way forward here. And it's going to require some give and take. And that's what you need in any coalition.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Yeah, I think it's a little tricky. I mean, actually, I live in Montana and our Republican governor was the first with our legislature, our governor, who's a former technology entrepreneur and understands tech. We were sort of the first to ban TikTok. And it's been interesting to kind of watch that get walked back a little bit nationally. And I understand why it's a sensitive issue.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
I understand why Trump is weighed in against it, because I think there's a feeling that, A, we don't necessarily want to give the government always that type of power. B, I think Trump, who's obviously very savvy about public opinion, can see that a lot of Gen Z voters are going to be very angry if we lose TikTok.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
At the same time, I think that the Chinese Communist Party ownership and potential misuse of Americans' data is something that we need to be concerned about. And I think realistically, We probably are going to need to engage with a little bit of brinksmanship where we get as much separation as we can between the Chinese Communist Party and Americans data.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
And you continue to have TikTok in the meantime. But I think I think we should be able to have I mean, if they're true national security violations, we should have the power to ban TikTok. But I think whether we use that power is a separate question on that. I think like President Trump, perhaps I'm a little more skeptical.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Well, I think maybe the number one thing I'd love to see is some updating of what was the Schedule F idea at the end of the last administration. I'm not going to get too deep in the weeds or there are folks who say, well, you actually need to do it slightly differently. But the basic idea behind Schedule F is that we were going to make it so that
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
The truly senior policymaking civil servants in the government became like political appointees, and I was a political appointee in the last Trump administration, at-will employees. And so that if they were basically defying the administration, which they're not allowed to do, they shouldn't be allowed to do that as part of their policy. their mandate, that they can be removed.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
And I think that bringing that sort of accountability to the policymaking apparatus, I can tell you as somebody who managed thousands of people in the last administration, there are certainly some people who want to do work for you. But if you're in the Trump administration,
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
There are also going to be a lot of bureaucrats who are going to try to stop you, even though their job is to help implement the policies of the administration.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
So I think putting some teeth into something that would really give us the power to hire and fire the true policymaking folks at the top would do a tremendous amount to restore democratic accountability to the system, to go after the deep state. And I would love to see us move very aggressively in that lane.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Thanks so much, Charlie. It's a pleasure to be on as always. Thank you.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Well, it's great. You know, we have right now we have whistleblowers inside the government that are very excited to come forward. They feel like there's a new dawn of a new era. And with this new administration, I think maybe they'll be protected. We'll see. And then we also have people in the deep state we're exposing right now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
I think the executive branch of government can be helpful to ensure they're not retaliated against.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
I think it's going to result in 10x, 100x more people coming forward and commitments from the heads of these agencies, some of whom I've had conversations with, and they're going to fire anybody who retaliates against that person. Also, I think the capacity for reform is going to encourage more people to come forward. In fact, we should do the opposite.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Can you differentiate? That's a very important distinction. I think people who are witness to crimes, corruption, like, for example, the IRS, if you've seen people targeted because of their politics, that's illegal. If you have evidence of that, incontrovertible video recordings or images, that's what we're looking for.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
He said Biden is dead. This guy's the he's a former spy. National Security Council at the White House. Worst espionage ever. A lot of deep state actors in the government. Charlie, if you're one of the good guys, blow the whistle for the bad guys. You might be on a date with one of my swipers.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
He's an advisor to the National Security Council.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
He was saying that Biden is dead, quote, dead and can't complete a sentence. And then he says he's concerned that Trump is going to come after them. I say maybe they should come after them because you work for the National Security Council and you're talking in a public restaurant to a stranger.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
That's right. Have you seen that pattern before, James? I think they're, you know, they're not willing to do what I do. But, I mean, none of this shocks people. It's not surprising, but it's confirming, Charlie. And like I said, 2025, the year of the whistleblower. If you're a good guy, come forward. If you're a bad guy, be careful. I'm going to get to work on this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Yeah, I have a 5-1-C-3 Citizen Journalism Foundation. We're going to pay their legal bills.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
Well, it's citizenjournalismfoundation.com. It's a 5-1-C-3. We're going to pay the legal bills, give them money in case there's retribution. And I think, Charlie, exactly that. The executive branch of government, if there's any way that they can be protected, because congressional whistleblower, they don't really enforce that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
So I think there's an opportunity right now to have their backs and have them come forward.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins
And I'm on your stage tomorrow. I'm going on stage. I'm going to bring a few of these people out. Federal whistleblowers are going to meet him here.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
I second everything Charlie said. I would say the thing that I take from the Ed Snowden matter is the power of one man because people think, well, I'm just one person. He's one individual. He changed world history. He changed the course of history. Correct. I don't know what's in his heart. You know, people say, is he a traitor? Is he a hero?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
This is really the tale as old as time with whistleblowers. You can be both. And it's extra legal what you do. You're violating your covenant. You're violating your nondisclosure agreement. You're violating your agreement with your employer for the public's right to know. That's right. As someone who's been through this, I'm a little biased. And here's why.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
Because the FBI came to my home, told Charlie this story, pounded on my door. I'm an American reporter. So if another country did this, our State Department would issue a press release and say this is wrong. Correct. The FBI came to my house with a battering ram like they're Vikings or something and smashed my door in, took guns, pointed it at my head, and took my reporter notebooks. Wow.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
In the United States of America. So forgive me for not trusting the government. And I'll tell you what they did. I totally agree. They – I had this phone. Of course, I don't have my phone – my lawyer's number memorized. The only phone numbers I've memorized are, like, my parents. So – I said, I need to talk to my lawyer. And the Fed was like, well, you want to use your iPhone?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
And then I unlock my iPhone. I have to enter in the password. And the moment that I enter my password into the phone, the FBI agent snatches my phone and right in front of me changes the setting so it doesn't go to sleep and then puts it in an evidence bag.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
So now the FBI, this is three and a half years ago, has access to all of my signal messages, which includes all of my confidential government sources. And it was like, and there were 10 agents, and I looked into their faces, and it struck me that half of them were like, this is wrong.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
Those FBI agents were saying to themselves, they could be just deceiving me, but their faces seemed to indicate they thought what they were doing was unconscionable. But they did it anyway. And my message to you, the moral of the story is you might be in a position in your life one day where you're one of them. And what are you going to do? Well, I've got to feed my family.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
Well, you're going to do evil things to feed your family. And how will your children look up to you? You have to do the right thing. And I still haven't been – the FBI still has my devices. They still have them. Raiding a journalist. Wow. And the American Civil Liberties Union came out against this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
And my message to the FBI agents who did this is may your children forgive you.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
Man, that's quite a question. I would say that that was definitely the hardest thing I've ever been through in my life because I was fired from my own creation. And what I said on stage 30 minutes ago was the fight is not what you think it is. It's not external. It's often a fight within ourselves. So the fight is good versus evil.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
I mean, I've done investigative work in the offices of these rhinos, or what would you call them, just weak people.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
I mean, I just catch them on tape saying the opposite of what they say publicly. Do that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
And to be fearless, to take on powerful institutions, you have to make sure the people around you are unbreakable. And, you know, I made some poor decisions about who I surrounded myself with, I think. But it was very painful, Charlie, but it taught me the importance of surrounding myself with the right people.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
How about some reform of the IRS? Would you like that? And we always hear theories about the IRS are targeting me because of my politics. What if I actually was able to show you some evidence of it? And what if the people in charge were like, you know what, we're going to have that person's back. Just hint, hint, hint. Stay tuned.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
So how do we remove their sort of... Well, I mean, just two hours ago, there was a guy from Disney that came on Charlie's stage. Brave guy. Disney. That's like, by the way, do you see how ABC is owned by Disney and Stephanopoulos? They give a $15 million judgment in libel. How do you unveil the wrongdoing inside corporations? One person. That's right. Very good answer. You did it. One person.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
One person. It just takes one person. I know it's a cliche. One person with courage makes a majority. Done. You need someone who's going to be willing to make a sacrifice. You can't do this unless you have skin in the game. People want, and this is honestly like 99% of people. It's just human nature. Well, I want to, it's like I get, Charlie probably gets 10 times the DMs.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
Every day, I get 1,000 people, I want to do something. And you know what I say back to them? What are you willing to give up? And then 99% of people don't respond. So you're either going to give up some money or you're going to give up some of your reputation.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
And by the way, I'm not a psychotherapist. It doesn't count. I'm not your therapist. I'm not here to listen to you complain. I'm not qualified as a psychotherapist. People treat me like I don't have time. I have to move on to the next person. I'm serious. So it takes one person with courage inside the company who's witnessed something wrong.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
They have incontrovertible evidence of that, and they speak the truth. And if it's strong enough, and trust me, there's a lot of bad stuff happening out there. You just got to stand up and speak the truth and do it now. It's not for everybody, but it takes one person. Next question.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
I would say that a friend of mine says life is like an elevator ride. Most people get off too early. They get off the elevator on the wrong floor. Just stay on the elevator and keep doing it. But I was fired from Project Veritas, and we're currently in litigation. It's horrible.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
I've brought federal government employees to the senators and the congressmen. This is an important point. I'm going to speak without naming names. Do you know what they tell me, sir? You know what they tell me, the senators in Congress, when I bring the federal employee, I do the right thing by the law, by these congressional people. They say there's nothing we can do, James. Yeah.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
They say, there's nothing we can do. We can write letters. You can publish the letters on your Twitter. So they're telling me, this is the legislative branch of government. Because they're terrified of the intelligence. They're telling me something more, that the power of Elon Musk's platform is more powerful than they are.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
They're telling me the media is more, and we're a country founded on the whole premise of the public's right to know. The founders set up the United States government The First Amendment is all about the public's right to know. And if the public doesn't know what's happening, they can't be informed. And therefore, we'd have no consent of the governed.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
So when the United States government is spying on everybody and spying on journalists... It's like the equivalent of constitutional rape. It's a situational ethic where the individual that has sworn an oath has an ethical and moral obligation. It's a lose-lose situation.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
So he does the lesser of the two evils, and he speaks out, and he speaks publicly because he can't go to his elected representatives because those people, and I probably should secretly record some of these meetings, those senators and members of Congress tell me that there's literally nothing they can do for the whistleblower.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
But I think when you're going to take on BlackRock, Pfizer, the FBI, the New York Times, and you're winning, you better make sure the people around you are very strong. And they're not going to betray you. And nothing that you can offer those people, nothing that, so I can't be bought, right? If someone tries to bribe me, I'll just film it. But it's not about me.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
I actually don't, and I don't like to opine on something I can't confirm yet. So, Charlie, I'm going to punt this one to you.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
It's a great question. I would say, like, low-budget movies. I mean, first of all, this is the most important, in my opinion, question that's been asked, the culture. There's a correction. There's a market correction happening in the culture right now. And people are not buying what they're being sold by Netflix.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
I think Jeff Bezos not endorsing Kamala was a major tell there in the Washington Post. But I've made this film, Line in the Sand. I understand how much it takes to make a movie. Conservatives have always, in my opinion, this is just my opinion, not been very good storytellers. I don't know what it is. They don't seem to have rhythm or something. They're not the most artistic people.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
But I think that's changing. I think that's changing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
I think that's changing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
I have to make sure that the men around me are also the same way. And that's hard. And you think you have friends? Well, when you're raided by the FBI and they're pointing guns at you, you will figure out who your friends are. And I think, Charlie, we're entering a new era, and I said this on your show yesterday, where I think people inside the government can come forward right now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
So I think people need to spend as much time in the arts and making videos and making films. I don't think you need to have the quote-unquote big budget thing. I think that creates more restrictions, actually. I think you can do incredible things with an iPhone and Adobe Premiere. And some of the best people out there do it that way.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
But I would encourage people, and I'm hiring in a major way, director of photography, I'm hiring editors and producers. We need more storytellers. And there's a lot of people here I encourage to go that route more than the elected office route.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
There's a limited window of time, I think, with that political capital. But I call on President Trump and his heads of his agencies to have these people's backs.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
I'll stay more clandestine.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
Yeah, Line in the Sand, it's with Tucker.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
If you haven't seen Line in the Sand, the first thing is watch it. Just watch it. Because I think it's an action documentary. So my mantra is most people tell they don't show. I show I don't tell. So I never ask you to believe me by virtue of the decree that I'm credible because I'm believable. I ask you to look at what you're looking at and experience it. And that's what we need more of.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
Every one of you is a journalist. You are more qualified than George Stephanopoulos. You're more talented than George Stephanopoulos. And, you know, it's a cliche, but these things are insane, and everyone has an audio and video device. There's an opportunity over there. I'd give it eight months.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
You have eight months where if you have an idea, a vision, right now you have the opportunity to be brave. And I'm a journalist. I'm a videographer. I want you guys, if anyone in the audience wants to do this, now's your time. I'm hiring, and if you are witness to corruption in the United States government, if you know someone who is, have them come forward.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
Your action items, tell the truth, be brave, be the difference you wish to see in the world.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
We did. Yes, and I hope that you help make that happen. It's on my list. I feel as though I'm one of the more qualified people to tell these people's stories. They trust me by virtue. Here's the other thing. All that hell I went through, and Laura Logan said this to me, like when I was 25, I was arrested by the FBI falsely because he was placed on house arrest for three years.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
I was raided by the FBI, sued 40 times. I thought, and many of you in our lives, we all know what pain is. We all understand suffering. We think, oh, woe is me. But what I did not know, was that all that stuff I went through, even the termination from Veritas because I refused to bear false witness. They asked me to put out a statement about something that wasn't true.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
That has led people to trust me more. And they come to me because they trust me by virtue of the pain that I have been through. So if you're going through something like that, I think that that can help inspire you. But there's a lot of people right now inside the federal government who are witness to to corruption, Charlie, during the Biden administration.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
But they just need to know that someone's going to have their backs and that they will be protected.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
Well, what happened was that we broke a story on Pfizer late January 2023 right after Elon bought Twitter. So I just got back on Twitter. By the grace of God, I just got back on Twitter. And then we break the story. Biggest story ever. It was viewed like more times than like the World Cup videos. It was like hundreds of millions of people. What was in this video?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
And in this video, the Pfizer mRNA director of scientific research, not a low-level guy, high-level executive, Yale-educated doctor, he was on type saying, this product is no good for the consumers. We tested on monkeys. We came up with the virus in China, the Wuhan lab. He's saying all these things. And he says to our undercover reporter, I think he's on a gay date or something.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
He says, don't tell this to anybody. To which our undercover reporter said, could you just say that again just the way you said it? We got this on tape. I confronted the guy, and then he takes my iPad and he smashes it on the ground, falsely imprisons me inside of a restaurant. It was so crazy.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
So we released that video, and then, Charlie, what happened was – and I'll give you some specific details. I think they're going to make a movie out of this one day, what happened to me, and there's depositions and lawsuit ongoing – Three days later, I get a call from my chief financial officer, Project Veritas, an emergency meeting to remove me as chief executive officer from the organization.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
They had a six-hour emergency board meeting where they tried to get me to lose my temper. I did not. And then they, quote, indefinitely suspended me without pay. So that's what happened, and you can draw your own conclusions from that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
Bobby Kennedy, I went hiking with him a week after that, and I won't share exactly what he said to me, but he invited me to go hiking in the Santa Monica Mountains, which he does every morning with his dogs, and he said something to the effect of, you don't realize who you're dealing with. You go after Pfizer like you just did. Pfizer had to put out a statement.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
He said, you're going after the Defense Department. You're going after powerful people. And they have, as Chuck Schumer said, six ways to Sunday to get back at you. And these people play really dirty. And I think it taught me about human nature. And by the way, this man is a good man.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
I didn't know you incredibly well, but when this happened to me, which is the darkest moment of my life, Charlie would call me every day. He didn't have to do that. And text me, how are you doing, and send me prayers. I got to know you better than... And I'm very grateful for your friendship and support during that time.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
Well, I think, as I said on the main stage, that it is a fight that's internal. It's a choice that we all have to make. Telling the truth in a time of universal deceit is a revolutionary act. It's not easy. It sounds easy to just tell the truth. You face retaliation.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
You face – I think right now, over the next nine months, you have an opportunity to do this where hopefully you won't be as targeted as you otherwise would have been a year ago. So I think the pendulum is swinging. I think we all feel it in the culture, right, in the politics. Everything's swinging. But it might swing back. So we have to all step up right now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
And how you do that is if someone's connected to someone who works for a corporation, institution, federal government, and you have access, you're witness to something wrong, speak up. And in the beginning, it just takes one man, two people, three people. And when their cause succeeds, then other people join in. And my foundation, it's called Citizen Journalism Foundation. We also have OMG.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
My foundation is – we just wrote a $100,000 check to this Disney whistleblower today who's fired from his job at Disney. Tell us the story. What happened with the Disney? Vice President of Disney on hidden camera saying – We don't hire people on the basis of their race. We don't hire white people. That's, like, illegal.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
Also, transitioning children, Disney's paying for their employees' children to be transitioned. And he blows the whistle on this, and Disney fires them. And I was in L.A. at the time, this summer, and I was making a film called Line in the Sand, and everyone's like, don't go after Disney. Don't go after Disney. Yeah, Line in the Sand. If you haven't seen it, Line in the Sand.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
And everyone in LA is like, don't go after Disney. They're so powerful. And that's the thing that I'm fighting. Tell the truth. Always speak the truth. And no matter what, do the right thing. No matter what. So this is what's my advice. Just tell the truth. And if you're witness to something wrong, and it's seriously wrong, and you have evidence of it, then speak out and step forward.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
Well, that's a very existential question. I think that the line that separates good and evil runs through each and every human heart. And I have found that our battle, and I think you've said this to me in other words, our battle is not external, it's within ourselves. So the choice to do the right thing is a choice that we must make.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
And it is being willing to accept the consequences that come along with doing the right thing. That's a choice that you have to make. Not the enemy or the New York Times or some other person coming after you. You have to make that choice. Now, in my darkest moments, and trust me, I'm afraid, in my darkest moments, I look up to people
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
good people like Kelsey Goodman from FEMA or Clarissa from the GSA, who are just genuinely decent human beings. And I look up to them. And the line in the sand when I rode that train, I was scared to death. But I looked up to a guy named Anthony Rubin, a YouTuber, who did it before me. So I try to look to people who set the example, and I follow them. And I would encourage – that's what we do.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
That's what we do. We look at the best in people, and then we take the action.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
I mean, I've been doing this for – I've been doing this since I was in college, so that's 21 years, Charlie. I've been embattled most of my life. In other words, I've always been the underdog. And I actually think that with Elon purchasing Twitter, which you pointed out was the greatest thing that ever happened in Western civilization, and turning point, Charlie, what did Shapiro say?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
That you built your own better version of the RNC? That stop complaining about the media. They're done. It's dead. You are the media. We are the media. So I wear this on my chest. Do you see any people on television doing that investigative reporter thingy? Are they out in the field for weeks or months? Are they doing investigative reporting into the deep state? Have you ever seen that before?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
Well, they haven't done it for a lot of reasons. A lot of it's economics. There's not a lot of money in journalism. That's why it's usually a nonprofit activity. A lot of it's fear. And a lot of it's the relationships that journalists have with those in the government. They have a symbiotic relationship, give and take. I'll keep you secret. You give me your secrets.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
But the secrets they're given aren't truth. It's falsehoods. It's propaganda. So it's incumbent upon we, the people, the only people who can do the job are citizen journalists. We the people. And you have to have a philanthropic heart to do it because it's not easy and it's not profitable. So I think, Charlie, the media is dead. Hollywood's done.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
Well, thank you, Charlie, for having me. And I just had three whistleblowers on stage, two from the Border Patrol, one from FEMA, and then another gentleman from Disney. Four brave people, three of them federal government employees, came on stage, told their stories, and it was really powerful. It was really, really powerful. Thank you.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
And stop complaining about it and just do their jobs for them.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Losing It All, And Building It All Back: Live at AmFest with James O’Keefe
I never, as you know, I never ever advocate for policy. However, Snowden needs to be pardoned.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Ask Charlie Anything 216: No Taxes Under $150k? Elon Musk Army?
I just wanted to know what we could do to try to... Because we're based as a Christian nation. I'm just trying to figure out what we can do to get back to being more Christly. Like, I see that how our nation is going, it's just not like it should be. We constantly are having... So much arguments with each other. Like, everybody wants to just be at odds. I don't know what we can do to fix it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
Hey, Charlie, great to be with you and great job in England. Thank you. You're a great, great man. I'm surprised they didn't arrest you for saying what you said.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
Well, they don't have a First Amendment over there, so what you did was very brave, and I thank you for that. I report to you all today that people are asking what actually happened at Project Veritas, the organization I founded. And I've released, Charlie, a movie released yesterday on my website called The Truth Inside Veritas. There's a 12-minute video we published online.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
Apparently, in these depositions in the court case between me and my organization I founded, board members admitted that they were in business together. They had various entanglements, and they were co-investing in medical companies that, quote, could be sold to Pfizer. As you recall, I investigated Pfizer two years ago, did a huge story on the director of mRNA research and scientific planning.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
Just a week later, I was fired. Now it turns out they had investments. You're looking at a federal deposition of George Skakel, and he's admitting that he was in business with these other board members, Charlie. So this is kind of some breaking news here. And I am in talks to retain control, get back in control of Project Veritas, the nonprofit that I once founded.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
Well, I mean, you and I have talked about this in Arizona and elsewhere. It's a lot of things. This film, The Truth Behind Veritas, is really a story about original sin. I think what we do, the investigative video journalism, getting sued all the time. By the way, I got sued last week by one of these deep state guys that we busted. I think people are put under pressure.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
They're put through a high-powered lens. But when you run an organization, you have people who feel entitled, who sometimes get jealous or get envious, and that can turn very toxic. It can grow vindictive when people don't get what they want. but also when you're being raided by the feds, when you're being sued all the time. I think people are put under pressure. People tend to crack.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
People tend to break. People tend to betray you. So this is a really interesting saga, a really interesting documentary that we've produced about everything that's happened. It's an hour-long film behind our paywall at OMG, but there's a 12-minute video online that takes you through some of the highlights. It's very, very difficult, Charlie. I've talked about this extensively. It's very painful.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
to go through that. And we've all been through it to some degree, if you ever built anything. And I learned some lessons about who to surround myself and who not to surround myself with. And you got to have really strong people who are very virtuous people who are willing to tell the truth and shame the devil. Not an easy thing to endure, but hopefully this will all get resolved very soon.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
Very good question. I think the number one lesson I've learned is – I would say, Charlie, everyone can come into my inner circle. If you want to be involved, by all means, and I know that you get this. I get this every day. Hundreds of messages of people wanting to help.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
And it's one thing for them to help with the grassroots level, but I think letting them into your inner sanctum, I think – and I hope you would agree. You really do have to be careful with who you surround yourself with. You can't let everybody into your headquarters close to you because I think people will – they will betray you when the going gets tough.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
Not because you've done anything wrong, but because they're incentivized to. And I think one of the things I've struggled with is how to reconcile the instinct for self-preservation with always doing the right thing. And if you're going to be a truth teller, and I mean if you're really going to be a truth teller,
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
you, the preservation for, you know, self-preservation and self-interest come into conflict with that. So you have to find people who are almost messianic, who are mission-driven, who are self-sacrificial to a certain degree.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
If you want to do this type of truth telling so what I've learned is discernment, and perhaps I was slightly naive, but I also think like I said this is a story about original sin. You watch this film, and it's it's really remarkable that the vindictiveness and the pettiness of people and also, you know, sometimes it just comes down to money. It just comes down to money.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
And you heard Skakel say in the movie, he points at his house and says, you can't afford my house, O'Keefe. And that statement just said so much about who he is. And unfortunately, you've got some people here who I probably shouldn't have hired.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
I shouldn't have trusted these guys, but I did trust these guys.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
A lot of people thought there was malfeasance. I would prefer to say ignorant of those events. I didn't want to know. Nonprofit boards of directors can be very, very dangerous.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
It's very cinematic for those of listeners who are not seeing this. This is Baroque paintings and and images of me nailed to a crucifix. Employees accusing me of stealing pregnant ladies sandwiches.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
bizarre strange human envies and jealousies and pettiness but this is incredible i mean i'm not just saying this it took us two months to make um very well done very artistic you see courtroom deposition footage these are public proceedings people ask me charlie well how can you air all this footage from a court case deposition footage is public proceeding so it's a really remarkable film
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
that actually takes you inside the boardroom at Project Veritas where you get to hear these grievances. You actually hear a recording of the board meeting, of the board members who fired me. The reasons for firing me, which are so bizarre, it almost seems fake, but it's real. And that's what you're watching here on the screen about what really happened.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
Joe Rogan yesterday, Charlie Kirk, Joe Rogan on the air with Aaron Rodgers asking, whatever happened with James O'Keefe and Project Bear? Why doesn't O'Keefe release the tapes? Well, ironically, literally, I did while he was saying that yesterday.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
Man, I think – The type of journalism that we do is a little bit different than perhaps commentary journalism. And I'm not – I am creating business models as I speak to you about how to make this sustainable. I got sued last week by one of the guys I busted in the Pentagon. It's not cheap. And I think citizen journalism is not free. It costs money to do. And I built a nonprofit.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
Now we have Citizen Journalism Foundation. Hopefully we acquire Project Veritas here and we change the name back to Project Veritas Foundation. But I don't know if the commercial imperative, Charlie, is fully compatible with investigative journalism. In other words, I don't know that it can be profitable. And therefore, I don't know how to make it sustainable, but I'm working on it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
And we've done some big stories in Epstein the last couple weeks. We have more stories coming. in our federal government exposing corruption, and I said this and I mean this sincerely, the stuff that I have on video, particularly in Washington, D.C., of these contractors, people should be going to jail.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
And if they don't go to jail, then I'm going to have serious questions about who our prosecutors are. But I'm trying to make journalism sustainable, and I'm trying to create business models for it. But also, Charlie, reckoning with these aspects of human nature, that make it difficult to do when you're telling the truth and when you're shaming the devil.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
These instincts for self-preservation often come into conflict with what you're doing. And that's why I wanted to tell this story. And it's an ongoing story, but I wanted to tell the story.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Wins of the Big Beautiful Bill
I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
The Charlie Kirk Show
We Have a Border Again
Yeah, again, it's not Gates opening. That's a misunderstanding of the bill itself. It's how many can we process and actually deport. When you raise the standard for people coming across, when you increase the detention beds, when you increase deportation flights, you're not letting people in. And people are thinking about how the Biden administration is running it now.
The Charlie Kirk Show
We Have a Border Again
Right now, the Biden administration is allowing, for instance, 1,500 people a day just to come to the ports of entry, get a work permit and get released into the country. People coming between ports of entry get what's called a notice to appear and get released into the country. All of that stops.
The Charlie Kirk Show
We Have a Border Again
We're focused on how many people can we process quickly and then deport out of the country, not release into the country. It would be absolutely absurd for anyone to be able to propose something to say we're just going to slow the number of releases. We're focused on how do we actually enforce our border and get us back to zero, people actually crossing the border illegally.
The Charlie Kirk Show
We Have a Border Again
Every administration has struggled to be able to get the authorities in place to be able to actually enforce our border. Let's put them in place.