The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Tue, 31 Dec 2024
The MAGA movement is fully united about securing the border and deporting those in America illegally. But a major debate has broken out over legal immigration — specifically, whether Americans are helped or hurt by the tens of thousands of H-1B employment visas handed every year. Ryan James Girdusky and Jeremy Carl explain the real nature of the H-1B program and how companies exploit it, and debunk the lie that it is "racist" for America to put its own citizens first.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?
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Ryan, welcome back to the program.
Thanks, Charlie, for having me.
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Chapter 2: What are the issues with the H-1B visa program?
that if we're going to have immigration, legal immigration, it should benefit the homeland. It should be done very, very intelligently. However, we've had this mass migration wave, so it makes sense to allow things to cool down and to reanalyze the way we do immigration altogether.
With that being said, the people that are pushing for, let's say, more H-1Bs or something similar, I can sympathize with some of their premises. So where are we at right now with this H-1B debate, and what do you think is most missing from the current dialogue surrounding it?
Well, first of all, I mean, immigration, to paraphrase what Bill and Hillary Clinton used to say about abortion in the 90s, immigration should be safe, legal, and rare. In a natural market economy, there is no such thing as a long-term labor shortage, right? That is not natural.
The labor shortage, the ongoing quote-unquote labor shortage, is increasingly worse because of our H-1B visa system and most of our visa systems, actually. Right. When the H-1B system was created in 1990, by the way, it's not like we had this in 1776 and we needed to bring Albert Einstein or Albert Einstein came without an H-1B visa.
The studies done justifying an H-1B system was created about wages, not about talent. It was about how do one... Our employers get involved in the Asian market and to how to how our employers work within a talent pool to work within a wage that works for them to suppress wages. The average H-1B visa worker in this country makes less than one hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year.
These are not all, you know, the next Tesla or the next Elon Musk or the next anybody. And there's been consistent cases of visa fraud in the last two years under the Biden administration. There were two big cases, one being most famously Facebook, which was going straight to foreign countries through the H-1B visa system. And they were discriminating wholeheartedly against Americans.
I think Facebook had to pay $15 million or $14 million for wholeheartedly just disqualifying Americans and discriminating against them. And then there's another company called Larson and Turbo Infotech. They're a company I think that has been like 4.6, 4.7 million in fines because they were firing Americans, qualified Americans, and replacing them with Indian H-1B workers.
The idea that this is like a DEI program for mediocre Americans who like like Slater over Screech on Saved by the Bell, is completely just wholeheartedly not true. Many times it's qualified Americans who've worked in these jobs for long periods of time who have been displaced by H-1B foreign workers.
Yeah, but there's also an exceptional talent visa that is being conflated with H-1B, which I think the exceptional talent visa actually has a place. Like if you're Yo-Yo Ma and you want to be able to perform for two years, it's called the O-1 visa, and you want to go perform for the New York Philharmonic, great. I mean, I don't know if Yo-Yo Ma is American-born or if he's from Japan.
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Chapter 3: How do H-1B visas affect American workers?
So whatever. Sorry. I think that's fine. And I think that an exceptional talent visa is has a place in a free society and we should embrace that. Can you please add the distinction? Because some people are defending H-1Bs as if they are O-1s.
Right. Well, O-1 visa is for exceptional talent and it ranges, right? It ranges from like supermodels and artists to people who are science and math wizards who have unique talents and they're the best. their country and of the world. If you wanted to bring only Albert Einsteins into this country, right, there are not a lot of geniuses walking around in everyday life in any society whatsoever.
You could probably reduce the entire visa system of geniuses just down to 2,000 people a year rather than the 85,000 H-1Bs. H-1Bs They do work of accountants sometimes. They do work of low-skill technology laborers. And when people come on an H-1B visa, their residency to the United States is attached to their visa. Sorry, to their work, to their occupation.
So they cannot ever leave their job unless it means leaving the United States. They are basically removed from the market of being able to compete for a better job or a better or a better, you know, more qualified bonuses or increased salaries. It's literally to suppress those people's wages. And a lot of them sometimes are not tremendously skilled.
Between 55 to 40% of all H-1B visa applications were for jobs that made $100,000 a year or less. These aren't the top talent, and many of them can be filled by Americans.
Can you reiterate that? Because if I were to, when I speak to, and I'm friends with people on both sides of this aisle, however my position is very clear on this, when I speak to a tech CEO or someone that uses H-1B, they are insistent, Ryan, that Americans are unwilling or unable to do these jobs.
Right. Well, according to the census, 72 percent of Americans with STEM degrees do not have a job in the STEM field. I repeat that 72 percent, according to census numbers. Other numbers, according to different social scientists and economists. Range it between 30 and 60 percent. But the most people say it is a majority of Americans with STEM degrees do not have STEM jobs. They can't get them.
Secondly, the idea and you've seen this a lot on the internet. I'm sure that American education is just so antiquated, so bad that like we need to bring in workers from other countries because we rank like 15th or 16th in the world for math and science.
We rank 15th or 16th according to the PISA scores in elementary schools behind only a handful of countries, mostly in Western Europe and East Asia. Most countries in the world do not even take the PISA tests because they score so badly. India, for example, which has become a hot button subject given how many applicants come from India.
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Chapter 4: What evidence exists of discrimination against American workers?
That is insane. completely and totally incoherent and not correct whatsoever. There is no data that ever backs that up. I mean, yes, there are some people in East Asia, some people in Western Europe that are doing better in math and science than ours, but overall, not even a question. It's not even close. The American talent is far overwhelming than that of other countries.
We have a lot of suppressed talent in the United States because of ordinary white people being discriminated against at every level of American life. Do you believe that plays into it?
100%.
Listen, Charlie, one of my donors for my PAC, who is a very, very wealthy individual, said to me one day, and they're white, and they said, I am genuinely worried that my children cannot get a good enough job and they'll be discriminated because of their race. We have seen this time and time and time again. It is...
a silent conversation that a lot of people and middle-class parents have with their kids. And they worry about technological changes. They worry about AI. They worry about how will their kid get a job, but also about the disqualifications on just being a white person.
So despite the fact this is an interesting this is according to the census and the CDC, despite the fact that Native Americans, people of American Indian ancestry, have some of the lowest birth rates in history in an entire country, their population is increasing every single year. Now, we can't import more American Indians and Native Americans. So where are they coming from?
It's white people saying they're one 16th Cherokee just so they can check off a different box. So they are not discriminated against and they feel it and they're worried about it. And hopefully more states take action using the Harvard lawsuit saying you can't discriminate people based on race for jobs.
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Chapter 5: How is the current immigration debate shaping the Republican Party?
Therefore, I am not white. I'm Native American. It's the Elizabeth Warren story. That is what a lot of people are doing because there is a genuine fear of it. And there is a lot of discrimination from corporations when it comes to hiring Americans. I mean, that's just that has been proven evident in all of these lawsuits over H-1B visa fraud.
So the way that this conversation started was around an appointment in the White House, and it has kind of turned into now a multi-date debate. What has this debate told you about the state of the current coalition and the conservative movement?
I think that it's funny. I've just been writing about this. I think that if you know, listen, we have a new coalition within the Republican Party that Donald Trump built in 2024. It is very working class. We have seen overseas people build new coalitions that give them governing majorities.
We just saw it in the UK when they had Brexit and Boris Johnson built this fabulously large conservative party organization. of working class people to achieve Brexit. The people wanted lower levels of immigration. The Tories did not. And so the Tories were thrown out.
If tech bros who did not like the trans stuff or the woke stuff or the taxes or whatever they did not like that are crime in the cities, whatever they didn't like that brought them to the Republican Party, if they believe that that means they can remake the Republican Party or the MAGA Party or the Donald Trump coalition,
In their image, they are being extremely naive because the genuine consensus from Americans is there has been too much immigration and we need to have lower limits. That means we discriminate against people from certain regions of the country or race or religion or whatever. It just means we need lower levels. We need to take a me time, a pause.
In some capacity, we bring in over a million people per year, most generous nation in the world as far as refugees go and asylum seekers go. We need some me time to work on our Americans who have been suffering because of the Biden administration. And by the way, before that, under the Obama administration.
I mean, it's been 16 years at the last or sorry, 12 years of the last 16 of Democrat control. And it hasn't always worked out. So I think that really taking a pause, taking a me time from a constant overflow of people. wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
And if anyone thinks they're going to change that because they have money or a social media platform or a podcast or whatever the case is, they are very, very, very mistaken.
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Chapter 6: What is the public opinion on immigration policies?
In closing here, this was an obvious fault line. We saw this six months ago. I had a call yesterday from somebody who is a very high-up tech leader, and he said, Charlie, a year and a half ago you told me that the base of MAGA wants zero legal immigration. He said, I had never heard that from anybody until you said that to me.
And now he's looking through Twitter, and he's like, that seems to be the consensus view. How is that possible that they they seem as if they're so bothered that this would even be an opinion that is espoused or articulated?
Because in most parts of the country, they still live in the 1950s. They live in in single family homes in neighborhoods that are over demographically one or two demographic, like two racial demographics and very good schools. They don't live in the rest of America. In closing, in 2020, there was a Cato. Cato was open borders, 100%. They did a study. They did a poll.
And it was like 44% of Americans wanted a 90% reduction in illegal immigration. It was like 75% wanted a 50% cut in illegal immigration. And among the Republican base, and that was before Biden. That was all before the Biden invasion. Right now, it's got to be close to 90 percent of Republicans and probably over 60 percent of independents say we need a pause.
And if this moment did anything besides making them realize that, hey, they're not giving up just because, you know, we won the election or they like Elon Musk now or they like whoever, whatever the case may be, they really feel this.
And this has to be achieved in some way in order to make the base feel like they are that they're voting for Trump and putting everything in line for Trump meant something.
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Mike Johnson has been endorsed by President Trump to be Speaker of the House. Now, I would love your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com. Do you think Mike Johnson should continue in his pursuit to try to become Speaker of the House? I would love your thoughts. Look, here's the bigger issue.
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Chapter 7: How do economic factors influence immigration discussions?
Fair amount of a risk, actually, by introducing this entire element without having a Speaker of the House. Jeremy Carl, welcome to the program. Author of The Unprotected Class, How Anti-White Racism is Tearing America Apart. Jeremy, welcome to the program.
Thanks so much. It's great to be on, as always.
So, Jeremy, I want to first get your reaction. President Trump has endorsed Mike Johnson to be Speaker of the House. How should we think about this?
Yeah, I mean, I think it was – I saw somebody else refer to this as the art of the – I think it was Matt Gaetz, actually. And I think he's right and certainly has the credibility to say that. I just think it was a very practical decision on President Trump's part. I think he doesn't need the disruption anymore.
I think it's very different to have a big game of chicken when we don't control the White House and we don't control the Senate as opposed to a time where we have the new president coming in. We've got we've got all three branches of government and we just don't need the distraction.
So do you think that there if we get a new speaker, there could be any potential delay in the certification of the presidential election results?
Well, I think that's what some folks are worried about. I'm not as worried about that. I mean, I don't think that we're going to wind up with some weird thing where it's like, oh, gosh, you know, some weird thing happened and all of a sudden we're going to have President Harris. I mean, I understand why folks are going to be concerned about that, but it just seems sort of far-fetched.
But I think people are just trying to avoid chaos. They're trying to avoid a bad look, and they're just – going to go forward on that basis that they want everything to run smoothly. And maybe Johnson is not the ideal guy, but he's the guy we have. And so we're going to go forward with him.
And I don't know a backup currently. Maybe Emmer. Elise Stefani could have, but she's obviously leaving the house. Okay, I wanted to get your quick thoughts. We covered this pretty intensely this hour. How should we think about the H-1B visa debate, Jeremy? I am told time and time again by tech CEOs and others that they need H-1B visas or else the American companies will fail. What is the truth?
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