Daniel

You're basically a genius.

A bachelor's degree at 18 years old, master's degree in the army, PhD afterwards, and then you went on to bootstrap Cloudinary to over $150 million in revenue.

That's insane.

So tall.

I would have to say when I looked at your history, you're basically a genius.

A bachelor's degree at 18 years old, working full-time, master's degree in the army, PhD afterwards, and then you went on to bootstrap Cloudinary to over $150 million in revenue.

That's insane.

Take me back to when you were younger that enabled you to have such drive.

I remember I started coding, I think it was around 13 or 14.

Was it Hello World?

This was like Visual Basic and C++.

When you think back to how you had to code and create then compared to what you can do now, what comes to mind?

people would call me like a nerd.

Now I feel like Coder is like, you're like really cool.

I was just born at the wrong time.

I mean, you and I both were probably born at the wrong time.

Every time I talk to someone who's in tech, they're just like, I'm raising this round.

Like their only focus is to raise money.

You took a completely different approach, you and your co-founders.

What did you all know that they don't know?