The Charlie Kirk Show
How Our Elites Destroyed Ukraine + Winning the AI Race ft. David Sacks
Tue, 25 Feb 2025
Under Trump, Russia and Ukraine were at peace. Now, thanks to Biden and the D.C. cabal, the country is in ruins, and Trump has to fix it. Investor and White House crypto czar David Sacks explains how the entire Ukraine tragedy was an avoidable mess, then turns to AI, and why the Trump Administration is making it a top priority that America win the AI showdown against China. Watch ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: Who is David Sacks and why is he on the show?
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David is the AI crypto czar, so we're definitely going to talk about that. But first, David, as much as you're able to speak or willing to speak about the developments regarding Ukraine, President Trump, Russia, make sense of what's happening here.
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Chapter 2: What are the key developments in the Ukraine conflict?
Well, I think that there's been huge developments on Ukraine. I mean, the president has said from the outset, I mean, during his campaign that he wanted to bring this war to an end, Charlie. And I think that he's in the process of doing that for the first time in, I think, At least three years since the war began, we had a conversation between an American president and the Russian president.
I mean, that's the first step in getting to some sort of peace agreement is to actually talk to the other side. You then had conversations between the delegations from the U.S. and from Russia and Saudi Arabia, and they seem to have made substantial progress.
And I would say that most of all, the thing that I think has been the biggest breakthrough is just that finally this administration has been willing to tell the truth about how this war started because you need to understand that in order to bring it to an end. And what Secretary of Defense Higgs has said and what Stephen Witkoff has said is that it was NATO expansion,
Chapter 3: How did NATO expansion contribute to the Ukraine crisis?
that the Russians saw as a provocation. And it was the United States' desire under Joe Biden, their insistence that they had to bring Ukraine into NATO, that was seen as incredibly threatening by the Russians, just the same way that we saw Soviet influence in Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis as incredibly threatening. And the United States back in
was it 1962, was willing to go to war to keep the Soviets out of Cuba. And in a similar way, the Russians, they telegraphed in advance that this was a red line for them for decades. And they said they'd be willing to go to war to prevent Ukraine from becoming a member of NATO. And yet the Biden administration insisted on trying to bring this about.
It was widely underreported, but in the first month of this war that started three years ago, that's cost so many lives, there was a deal that was signed, a draft deal that was signed in Istanbul to end the war. And all it really required was for Ukraine to agree to be a neutral country.
And if they had been willing to do that, the war would have ended, there would have been no destruction, and Ukraine would have kept its territories in the eastern part of the country. And it was the Biden administration that basically sabotaged that deal. And that's why the war has now raged on for three years. I'd say upwards of a million people have died.
The country's never going to be the same. And the craziest part of the whole thing is that The Biden administration itself and Jens Stoltenberg, who was the head of NATO, said at the very end of the Biden administration that Ukraine could not join NATO, would not be joining NATO because it was unable to win this war. So this whole conflict was over nothing.
We could have just agreed to the thing that everyone understands now, which is Ukraine is not going to be part of NATO. And this whole thing could have been avoided.
Well, and let's say that if your cause is wearing the Ukrainian pin, which I find to be repulsive and ridiculous, let's say that is you and you're a lawmaker on Capitol Hill. Ironically, if they would have accepted the early peace deal, it would have been far better for the cause of Ukraine's independence, sovereignty, geography that it controls, and lives lost.
Speak about, David, how early on there was a peace deal on the table. Istanbul, Turkey. I know you mentioned this. Tony Blinken, Boris Johnson. That if you're one of those virtue signalers that wears the Ukrainian flag pin, even for what they want, that would have been a better deal for everybody involved.
Yeah, exactly. And this is where I think that we cannot concede the moral aspect of this argument. Those of us who have wanted the United States to avoid getting deeply involved in this war, you know, they call us pro-Russian or anti-Ukrainian. But what we're suggesting would have been the most pro-Ukrainian policy. That's the hundreds of thousands of...
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Chapter 4: Why was the Istanbul peace deal significant?
Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives would have been saved. Their country wouldn't have been destroyed. They would have held on to all those territories in the east. It would have been better. You know, something like 10 million women and children have also fled the country. They're never coming back. I mean, this country is just never going to be the same.
And it all could have been avoided if they had just agreed to that Istanbul deal. which was a better deal than anything they're going to get now because they have lost the war. And why did that deal not happen? Because Boris Johnson flew into Kiev and said, we want to challenge Putin, not make a deal with him.
Alexei Arastovich, who at the time was a member of the Ukrainian peace delegation, who was there in Istanbul, who was there when they signed a draft of the deal, he said the Ukrainian delegation was popping champagne. They were so happy because the war was over. And then it was the Western leaders who came in and said, you can't do this deal because it doesn't fit with our interests.
And what we want to do is challenge Putin. People like Boris Johnson and Victoria Nuland, they had a delusion. that this war could be used to weaken Russia and then ultimately cause a regime change in Moscow. Remember when President Biden said that this man cannot stay in power? That was their unofficial policy, is they actually thought they would bring Russia to its knees.
They thought that sanctions would crush Russia's economy. They thought that we could use the Ukrainian military to destroy the Russian military. And all these things would basically finally bring the hated Putin to his knees, and we'd have a palace coup in Moscow, and they would get this big regime change. And it never happened. No part of that happened.
Instead, what happened is that Ukraine got completely destroyed, and now it's on its last legs. And I think that, look, we could just allow what is going to happen here to take its course. I mean, if President Trump did nothing, then what's going to happen is that eventually Ukrainian lines are going to collapse under severe pressure, and the Russians will just take more of the country.
But I think that President Trump wants to bring this war to an end. He wants the dying to stop. I truly believe it's a humanitarian interest of President Trump because this was not his war. This was Joe Biden's war. It's Victoria Nuland's war. It's Boris Johnson's war. It was their war. But President Trump wants to stop it because he wants the dying to stop. I think that is a...
wholly salutary and humanitarian thing to do and of course what is the reward for that in the mainstream media they basically deride president trump and anyone who speaks on behalf of peace is completely warped that is so well articulated david can you just add on really quick president trump has called zelensky a dictator what is the evidence of that Look, Charlie, dictator is as dictator does.
Zelensky has banned political opposition parties. He has had – he seized the assets of his political opponents, including a former president of Ukraine. He's basically cracked down on churches and priests and nuns. He's cracked down on the media in order to be – a journalist in Ukraine, you have to basically get a license from the government and tow the party line.
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Chapter 5: What role does AI play in modern geopolitics?
And I think there's a much more pessimistic, sorry, there's a much more optimistic way to look at this, which is that this is going to fuel economic growth for the next decade. And by the way, the United States is something like $36 trillion in debt If we don't have a big economic boom over the next decade, how are we ever going to pay that debt back?
I mean, how are we ever going to get out from under this hole? So we need growth. We need productivity, and AI is a tremendous tool for doing that. In terms of this only benefiting a technocratic elite, I don't – you know, this is not the way that technology has evolved throughout history. What you see is, yes – the people who do invent the technology benefit, but so do all the consumers of it.
So do all the businesses that benefit from it downstream. And again, this is just like the creation of the internet or the industrial revolution or the creation of the tractor or something like that. There are going to be benefits that are felt throughout the economy. And I do think it's going to ultimately raise the standard of living for all Americans.
Let's play cut 70 really quick. Let's play cut 70, please.
This administration wants to be very clear about one last point. We will always center American workers in our AI policy. We refuse to view AI as a purely disruptive technology that will inevitably automate away our labor force.
We believe, and we will fight for policies that ensure, that AI is going to make our workers more productive, and we expect that they will reap the rewards with higher wages, better benefits, and safer and more prosperous communities.
Final thoughts, one minute, David Sachs.
I completely agree with that. And let me just ask the question, you know, these products have now been on the market for over two years and we're seeing a rapid evolution and how good they are. We see one company leapfrogging in the next and then the next product comes out. But let me ask you a question. Has one person lost their job? Because of AI today, I don't think so.
They've made everyone a little bit more productive. It's just a phenomenal tool that we can all use in our jobs to do research, to get answers. It's like a better search engine to write research papers, to fact check things. I mean, real fact checking, not the fake kind. And so I just think this is a tool that's going to make all of us better. better.
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Chapter 6: How can AI benefit the American workforce?
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But last week, it was hanging in suspense. It's who is going to be the third most powerful person at the Department of Defense. The nominee is a great American patriot. His name is Elbridge Colby. We did an entire segment on this last week. The individual who has been stalling or asking questions was Senator Tom Cotton.
Now, Senator Cotton, as we've said in this program, is great on immigration, great on crime. We're on different planets when it comes to foreign policy. However, Senator Cotton has been pushing back against Elbridge Colby. It Well, joining us now is Daniel McCarthy, editor of ModernAgeJournal.com and a contributing writer of Compact Magazine. He wrote an entire piece, Why Elbridge Colby Matters.
Welcome to the program, Daniel. Tell us about Elbridge Colby and why he matters.
Thanks, Charlie. I'm delighted to be on. Elbridge Colby is one of the few people in sort of advanced and elite Washington, D.C. circles who has actually been a friend of the Donald Trump program from the very beginning, especially in foreign policy.
And he's someone who's seen as a threat by a lot of other insiders in Washington, by those who want to see America kind of return to the unsuccessful foreign policy of Joe Biden and Barack Obama and indeed George W. Bush.
So Bridge Colby is someone who can sort of act as an intellectual axle to bring together these sort of different components of the machine to advance President Trump's foreign policy and America First foreign policy. And there are people who want to prevent that from happening.
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