Bobby
Appearances
Bad Friends
Celebrate Christmas with Us Today on Patreon
Well, there are some areas that you don't touch.
Bad Friends
Celebrate Christmas with Us Today on Patreon
I don't like my Achilles heel being touched. I don't want that damage at all, dude. Didn't that happen to Troy? Who did that happen to? Who's Troy? Helen of Troy? What? Achilles. Achilles. Oh, Achilles. Yeah. What? Achilles. Achilles. This name is not Troy? No.
Bad Friends
Celebrate Christmas with Us Today on Patreon
In Troy. Oh, that's what it is. Oh, here we go.
Bad Friends
Celebrate Christmas with Us Today on Patreon
Well, that's everyone's vulnerable spot. Their heel? Well, mine's the taint. Mine goes the taint. Taint. It's so vulnerable, my taint.
Bad Friends
Celebrate Christmas with Us Today on Patreon
I know, but there's probably a layer of skin that's not missing.
Bad Friends
Celebrate Christmas with Us Today on Patreon
Can you guess what a taint is? It's on your body.
Bad Friends
Celebrate Christmas with Us Today on Patreon
Nuh-uh. Well, some of mine's on my feet. Mine just stretches down to my feet.
Bad Friends
Celebrate Christmas with Us Today on Patreon
Or your vag and the butthole. The taint is a vulgar slang. That little skin.
Bad Friends
Celebrate Christmas with Us Today on Patreon
Oh shit, little chocolate nuggets here, dude. All from Trader Joe's, dude.
Bad Friends
Celebrate Christmas with Us Today on Patreon
Welcome to our- Let it rip today, dude. Yeah. Let it rip. I'm ready for it.
Bad Friends
Celebrate Christmas with Us Today on Patreon
I'm so depressed. I get so depressed during the holidays, I can't even, it's a deep depression. You don't get depressed. You love it.
Bad Friends
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Yeah, December 1st is when it starts. Nope.
Bad Friends
Celebrate Christmas with Us Today on Patreon
The three kings happen. Three kings. What's three kings? What is it? Let's start good. Let's start good. Let's not start like that. But you get real depressed. Oh, yeah. I can tell, dude. Your face gets all red and all depressed, huh?
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Okay. So like I live by these, these philosophical rules, all of which you don't really need to know about. But basically like I was, I was trying to demonstrate value and be excellent and, for you to other people, you know, maybe it came off as like, I didn't care about you, but I was like trying to do these things to show you what I'm capable of, like my potential and stuff.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Yes. Yeah, exactly. I can pick up a napkin so fast.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
I think I know what she's talking about. I think she just doesn't like people who do good things.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
I was already tired doing the other stuff.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Like, I'm sorry for being excellent.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Yeah. I'm listening now. Look, you're hot, and I'll pick up your napkin. And, like, you want me to ask you questions. What are you doing next Friday? Let's get dinner. Yes.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
These rules just, like, don't work for some people. Like, I'm desireless doesn't work. I'm desireful it doesn't work. I'm excellent. I'm too excellent. I'm gone. I'm too gone.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Well, we can't be everything, I guess, all the time. I'm doing my best here. I'm doing my best.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Yeah, you guys are on to me. But it's a desperate situation. I need you. Uh-oh.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Her name is Tori. She's super hot and she's super nice. And we just had an amazing date. And like, I don't know, normally a woman would respond to all these philosophical things I've done, but it's completely backfiring on me now. Oh, no.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
No, no. I met her at a bar. Oh, okay. Kind of bumped into her and you have to be desireful in the beginning and then you be desire less. Okay. That's how it works. Okay. Makes sense. I'm in the phase between desireless and be excellent. And, uh, We're waiting outside the restaurant because it's like a popular place, you know? So I had my opportunity to be excellent just come upon me.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
It was awesome.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
What happened? So this foreign family, I'm not sure where they were from. I didn't speak whatever language they spoke. Like vaguely I can tell they're looking for a specific museum, like a really famous museum.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Yeah, exactly.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
They weren't understanding my directions. So I was just like, with my fingers, I was like, I will walk you there. You know, like little like walking man fingers. Oh, yeah.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Yeah, but Google Maps isn't excellent. I want to be excellent.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Absolutely not. I took her with me.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Well, you know, if you have the chance to be excellent twice, let's do it twice. And luckily for your boy here, he was excellent twice in one night.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
The second time, we're having dinner. Dinner's, like, pretty much finishing up. And you could just tell, like, someone dined and dashed. Someone hadn't paid their bill.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Yeah, like the waiters were all huddling together and stuff. That's how you know. It was an expensive bill. It was a big deal. I took care of the bill and I tipped the waiter just kind of nonchalant.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
I mean, I think tackling the Dine and Dasher is cool, but it's even cooler to be nonchalant.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Well, the thing is, you say nothing and you wait for her to question you. What was that? And then you reveal. Wow.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
A hundred percent. She was like, what was that? I was like, I just took care of it. Little shoulder shrug. No biggie.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
These things, these are investments.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
If you had asked me in the moment, I was like, couldn't be better. I walked her home. We hugged. I gave her a peck on the cheek, said we'd talk. And then it turns out she gone me. Oh, no.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
She never hit me up.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Well, I mean, like, according to the rules I live by, I'm trying to be gone. So I was trying to be gone for a while. Yeah.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Yeah, but, like, after, like, four or five days, I just couldn't take it anymore, and I just started texting her, and I was absolutely desireful, not excellent, and I was pregnant. Oh, man.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Yeah, I mean, all the rules are out the window at this point. I want Tori so bad.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Anything you want to say to her? Sorry, you didn't like all those excellent things I did. That is not the response, my man.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
I mean... You didn't really give me a lot of attention after the date, you know? I gave you a lot of texts and calls and stuff.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
That's really... Tori, that's not it.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
And compliment her? Yeah, but, like... You guys want me to lie there. I don't want to lie there. I got to be honest.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
That's a lie.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
My name is Michael Wilder. I'm from Oklahoma, born and raised, mainly in southern Oklahoma, out in the country, more rural areas. And I moved to Oklahoma City around 2000. I've been here ever since. I am a musician. I own a contracting company. So I'm a sundry soul. I do it all. I adopted Delaney—her adoption came through on her birthday. We were at the lake house.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
But I knew Delaney, well, ever since she was an infant. And I knew her mother and her grandparents. And later on in life, her mom and I got married. So after we got married, we moved through the adoption process. I was raised a Christian, and I've actually been employed by the United Methodist Church for 28 years now. So yeah, church is a big part of my life.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
And of course, my spirituality is expressed through music, which is my profession. Growing up, I was outside all the time. Most summers, I slept out in the pasture in a tent. And I spent most of my youth running tractors and fields at night and alone. And so I didn't watch TV. We didn't have podcasts back then. So I was never really exposed to paranormal or ghosts.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
The only thing I knew was what was reality in front of me. when I'm out at night or what I hear at night. You know, it's just uncommon for me to ever say anything about, I don't know how to describe it, just an anomalous event that, you know, was out of the ordinary.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
So when we were at the family event, Delaney shared with me her story, and then we got together and said, well, this was the same evening that I had my experience at the same lake. I went to the lake that evening, the lake house to, I think it was a birthday party or some kind of dinner event. And I remember it was a good celebration. Everyone was out on the deck, you know, looking at the lake.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
And I needed to leave a little bit before everyone else. And I walked out of the back door of the house. My truck was kind of parked down by the edge of the woods where there was a trail cut through the woods. Nothing out of the ordinary. I walked to the pickup and I just recall, as I turned to open the driver's side door, I felt like something was watching me.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
And that's just a very rare occurrence for me. So I turned around to see maybe if someone was behind me. And when I looked down the trail, I saw something, I don't know how to describe it. I describe it as a dark figure that was moving so rapidly across the trail. And at that point, I mean, just chill bumps came over my entire body and I got really cold.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
I felt like I was being stalked, kind of like a wolf would stalk its prey, you know, like I was being watched. It was about 30 to 40 yards away from my vehicle. You know, animals move and humans typically move in a straight line. And it just seemed like it went from one tree to kind of a diagonal tree. in an animalistic way. There was no way a human would move in that direction.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
And I, you know, I will say that it was more girthy than a human. So it was wider, you know, whether I was looking at a side profile or a front profile, I don't know, but it was, it wasn't, you know, the typical two foot, you know, a human is about two foot wide. It wasn't that way or about a foot from the profile. It wasn't any of those dimensions.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
It's odd because, you know, I've been out there a lot. I'm very familiar with the area. And I've got, you know, I've turned around to get my vehicle hundreds of times and never felt the need to look over my shoulder that something was there. And I didn't hear any noise.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
Like if something was walking on the ground, I would have heard the leaves or the, you know, because this is, you know, in a wilderness area, when something's walking, you hear the sticks under their feet or, you know, because the leaves in a wilderness area aren't cleaned up. You hear them like a deer or an animal walking through the woods. You can hear that.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
I didn't hear any of those sounds, the normal sounds that I would associate with an animal that would be stalking me. The only other thing that I can describe it is when, for example, when the church building is secured and I have to go in if there's an alarm going off that says there's movement in the building.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
And I know if there's movement in extreme areas of the building that someone really is in there. Well, when you enter the building alone and you think someone might be in there, that is the feeling that came over me that night. Even though I'm not scared to go in there, it's just the unknown about what am I going to encounter if I explore this more. That evening at the lake...
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
Maybe there are some people, maybe even Delaney herself would, if you saw that, you would like run after it and chase it. But my first reaction was to get out of there as soon as possible and just get in the truck and go. I got out of there, but I got about a mile down the road and I started texting the people who were at the event.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
And I told them, you know, be careful because something strange just happened to me. I don't know. I think, you know, when you deal with... a tacit dimension, you know, something that, you know, is kind of unexplainable. We revert psychologically back to, you know, what we knew, what's the foundation of what we grew up with.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
And of course, I wasn't exposed to a lot of media growing up, but, you know, we talk about our campouts and Boy Scout trips, you know, about Bigfoot. And so the first thing when something strange happens to you, you revert back to those things that you kind of are familiar with. And I said, well, maybe it was, I remember texting my friend. I said, I don't know what it was.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
You know, it didn't seem human to me. Maybe it was Bigfoot. I have no idea. You know, it still affects me to this day because when I'm out in the woods, I recollect on this experience about how, you know, something may be watching me or there may be something out there that I've never seen before that's unexplainable.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
I don't know that it has changed any of my quotidian behaviors as far as going into the woods or being alone in spaces or anything like that. But I definitely am a little bit more aware of keeping an eye out for things that may be out of the ordinary that I can't explain. I am extremely pragmatic. You know, where does the rubber meet the road? This doesn't make logical sense.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
And I think that's probably why I was so overwhelmed by the experience at the moment. This just does not make sense in my life experience to see what I saw that night.
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
I will say that the duality of the situation, the way that we had the dual experiences, really has, I guess, made me more of a believer that there might be, you know, for things that we can't explain and, you know, how do we get a handle on it and how do we explain paranormal events?
Otherworld
Episode 124: Off Trail
But when you have, you know, human experience from a father-daughter that kind of correlates with each other, it does kind of make you pause and think that there may be something that is keeping an eye on us or that we do need to be aware of.
Otherworld
Episode 114: The Michigan Dogman Pt. 2
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The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Yeah, I think this speaks to our technical debt metaphor and some of the argumentation we've had on this show with friends about is that a good metaphor or not? Because you can't really quantify it like you can actual debt. You can take your debt and your debt service principle and interest. You can take your interest rate.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
And you can put that on a chart and you can extrapolate it and say, look, if we don't pay this debt down now, maybe not if you're the United States government, but if you're like an actual business, you can say, if we don't pay this debt down, we're going to go bankrupt in 90 days. And that convinces leadership to be like, okay, it's worth it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
But when it comes to technical debt, we lack that quantitative ability to extrapolate forward and say, we're going this slow right now. If we don't dramatically change things, start paying this down. we're going to grind to a halt in 90 days.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
I mean, it's one place. Like greed also drives innovation, right? Like I want to make money. Of course. I need to invent something to make more money.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Well, I like that because you have experience that we don't have in trying to like craft those so that they are optimal because you only have so much time and opportunities to like pull somebody for their thoughts. And if you pull them out incorrectly on accident, then you're kind of wasting everybody's time. Let me rant for a split second here about Stack Overflow and URLs, okay?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
So first of all, I appreciate you all doing the survey. No real hate here, but... I was trying to answer Adam's question, which was, do we have past year's results? So I went to this year's results, survey.stackoverflow.co slash 2024 slash professional developers, found the link to that survey question. And then I went to the URL bar and I changed the year from 2024 to 2023. 404, page not found.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
I mean, come on, people. Respect the URL structure. This is like what address bar hacking is all about. Come on. Help us get to things in a way that makes sense. I just appreciate good URLs, and that's not a good one. Anyways, that was my mini rant because I was going to have answers for you, Adam. I was going to have last year's answer to this question.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
All right, real-time follow-up. I used their user interface to find last year's results. And as far as I can tell, they did not ask this question in 2023. Maybe it was just one year they didn't, but we did not have last year's answer to this particular question. That's not why it 404'd, okay?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
They still changed their URL structure, but had it stayed the same, it still would have 404'd because they didn't ask that question. So unfortunately, we can't really go back and say, You know, which way is it trending? Or is this an anomaly or anything like that?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
I would love to hear this, yes.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Okay. Whether or not I'm happy or unhappy. It's a fleeting thing, happiness. Am I satisfied in my work? Yes. Do I always think that? No. Am I a typical developer? Probably not anymore. We've been podcasters now for a long time. And so I don't hold a nine to five software job, which is probably the people mostly who are being interviewed or surveyed. I wasn't in that survey.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Well, I think it's a little bit better because you're directly asking the people.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
I like that approach. I think that time waste is reported by the actual people wasting the time. And so it's probably relatively reliable. Of course, there's always trolls and thoughtless respondents, but you can't get around that.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Yeah, I'm totally just being inefficient because of all these other things. It's not me. It's you. There's that. I mean, you can't really maybe you just account for that in your numbers. But yeah, if you are saying technical debt, complexity, bureaucracy, whatever it is, all these factors. Ultimately, for the business, are costing money, slowing things down.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
So my sentiment was not in there. No, I did not take the Stack Overflow. We have Abhi Noda here with us from DX. Abhi, did you take the Stack Overflow survey?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Wasting time is really a decent measure for that, like how much time is actually being wasted. And so if you can track that against this DXIX, what's this thing called, the DX Index?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
At the same time, I don't know, it seems like a pretty decent approach. Is that bearing fruit?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Right. I think you should have a, do you do an annual or semi-annual survey for, to the public? Like Stack Overflow does?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
The nice thing about this particular measure or this combination of measures is that if it could be somewhat generalized and made public, it's now a tool and a resource for people who don't have those quantitative metrics inside their company to say, look, this stuff really matters. Look what it did for... Walmart and you know, these, these important companies, it's moving their bottom line.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
It's making them more productive and they've, they've proved it out over N years. And so if that's public information that I can take to my leadership and use that, then convince them that, Hey, let's call a feature freeze or whatever it is that I'm trying to get done. Right.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Interesting results. 80% is a large number. I mean, that's an overwhelming number, and it's not a small survey. Pareto's principle says 80-20.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Or lack thereof, I guess. That would be the 20. The happy would be 20, and the unhappy would be 80-20. What's interesting about this, so this came out, as we said, from the 2024 Stack Overflow Survey results synthesized by ShiftMag.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
So shout out to Anastasia Uspensky at ShiftMag for really highlighting this particular point and pulling together a few other data points to try to figure out, she was trying to figure out why, why are they synthesized? And so you might think, well, it's the AI. The AI is taking away our joy. That doesn't seem like that's the case. At least that's what her conclusion is. It's not the AI.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Well, when you have the opportunity to become the index, I think, I mean, obviously, you know way more about your business than I do and how important it is internally as a proprietary thing. But I can see huge upside in the open sourcing of it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
The AI is making us slightly more productive and maybe a little bit more apprehensive about the future. But currently, I think developers who are in their seats... writing code know that at least today they aren't being replaced in large swaths by AI. So if you're a good software developer today, you're not too worried about that, at least not in the present.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Right. Yeah. I mean, we can get into the licensing discussions and we're happy to, we do it all the time. Yeah. And depending on what it is, open source might not even be the right thing.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
word right like maybe it's creative commons maybe it's right but you could still hold trademark and copyright against it like dxi could be a trademarked thing but also how you go about doing it and how others can go about doing it you can just let that stuff loose you don't let go of the copyright but you just let other people use it so and you can't call it dxi it is a product right you trademark the dxi right that's what you're saying right makes sense
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
they can be DXI compatible or, you know, whatever, but that's in the weeds. You were talking about the 14. Yeah.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Sounds pretty cool. So you have found then if you have a DXI, which a lot of these companies do via deploying your guys's proprietary platform and you're tracking time waste, you found that a, there is an inverse correlation between the two that is measurable and repeatable and reliable. Yeah. That's pretty powerful.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
I mean, we all know it's true, but like actually proving that it's true is a whole different thing.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
And do you find that it follows Pareto's principle as well in terms of effort? Like 20% of your effort gets 80% of your results? Or as you continue to improve your DX, is it trailing off or not?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
At the edges, right.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
That would be worth knowing. It's even, I mean, I think it's, it's logical that that would be the case in almost any effort at a certain point you're, you're squeezing the radish, you know, but like what's the sweet spot for, for companies where they can put in this much effort into their developer experience and get that much out. Yeah. I think that would be worth knowing. Absolutely.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
And it's not the stuff they're working on necessarily, but it is other things. Other things like tech debt and complexity. And so that kind of comes out in all kinds of different ways. But that was her finding. Abhi, do you have, you run a survey company, right? You guys create surveys for folks.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
You could almost map softwares as a service on top of that sucker. I mean, there's like an offering for each of these. I mean, there's a whole industry around.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Production, debugging, incident response, code review, et cetera, et cetera. I just find that interesting.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Another newish feature of a lot of cloud hosts are preview branches. That's another way where you can get change confidence. Netlify, Vercel, et cetera, they're providing a place where you can have your development branch and it can be constantly publishing to a preview page. on a subdomain, on a website.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
And so now you can both look at it yourself in production-ish and then also send it to your QA team or to your boss or whoever, your customer. I think that definitely helps with change confidence because... Previews. Previews are nice. But yeah, there's so many tools that overlap in these things as well.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
That one rhymes, so you know it's true.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
I don't mean to reduce. I don't mean to reduce.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Add one more. Add one more and you got the core four.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
I don't mean to reduce, but you all help people do surveys. Yeah. Just curious your thoughts as we kick into this topic.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Oh, I like this, actually. Core 2, Core 3, maybe.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
I'll be right. It down. I'll just write it down. Can we dig into these a little bit? So sure. The core four speed effectiveness, quality impact. You say those are outcomes, not necessarily.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
you're not doing it correctly there's your move fast and break things right there like we're moving very fast but we are breaking not breaking things yeah so a balanced portfolio this is a nice metaphor yeah you're each for each of these you have a key metric this is something that you're going to track and then you have secondary metrics so there's some balance there as well but for speed the key metric is diffs per engineer yeah and i don't know if i might take issue with that one
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
What? Tell me more.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Well, certainly at an individual level, at face value, it seems contradictory, but it does make sense. Yeah. Maybe you could reword that to say like averaged across whatever.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Oh, man. So many good notes for you here. Yeah. At an individual level, certainly it's a bad measure. Well, the problem is it becomes a bad measure, right? That's Goodhart's Law. Yeah. Once everybody knows that that's what's being measured. Well, we all know how to play the game.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Same thing with, I mean, it's lines of code moved to a slightly larger batch, you know? Yeah. And so I can criticize that one. I can also criticize lines of code. I can criticize features or tickets. They can all be criticized, but then you're at a certain point. You're like, well, what can we actually do that? Everything sucks. We're going to have to pick one and go with it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
And I guess if the industry is somewhat standardizing around that, then it's a decent compromise.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Yeah, even with a confidence score alongside that would be really interesting. There's still challenges with that because the amount of change does not always correlate to the amount of effort you can work an entire week on finding a bug, and then you found it, and it's a one-character change. And you're so exhausted by then that your commit message says, I fixed it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
or something you know and so like the llm just doesn't have much to work on boom you know if i guess if you can just say well it's fuzzy it's not going to be a percent it's better than merely measuring so did you come to my only guess would be like a culture of small diffs or a culture of you can't figure it out yeah why are they so much higher on that one metric you haven't figured it out yet
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
My guess is you dig into that and you find there's some sort of scheduled pull request. That's just like changing something that should be in the database, but it's not.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Yeah, I mean, that sounds fishy right there. Like, what are the odds that they're like that close?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Well, I thought, okay. It all depends on how exact it is. You know, if you have a vote... and you have 99 to one, you're like, okay, but if you have a vote and it's a hundred to zero, now you're like, there was some collusion here. Like something happened.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Which is fair because maybe they don't, they don't know. And so they're going to look at it. I'm just saying, if it was like exactly the same, then I'd be like, there's something wrong with our system here.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
I think you got someone in that org who just doesn't go to work and they just have a bot that uses their own SSH key and just does, you know, every day merges and stuff. And then you ask that person how much they merged and they went and looked at their bot and they just guessed the right answer.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Right. I always go bigger when I see something like a industry like software development and I start thinking, and we don't have answers necessarily, but I start wondering like, well, how many of workers are happy? You know, just in general, like is 80% like ridiculously large. It is an absolute terms, right? It's four out of five. That's a large percentage.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
You can't be a self-reported 10x dev.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Oh, what an interesting problem, though.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
But if we compared it to some other industry, right. You know, medical workers, teachers, plumbers, pick your industry. Would they be at like maybe 75% or 85% or are they down there in the 40s and 50s? And we're way out of line. That's the question that I usually ask and I don't have the answer ever. So I kind of just twiddle my thumbs and move on.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Like 1 through 10, just rate it?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
It's the words, not like a one through five thing.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Or perceived rate of pain. Have you ever seen that?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
There's a great Brian Reagan stand-up where he talks about them asking him that question when he goes into the ER, you know, and him thinking through like, what number should he say in order to get help as fast as possible? He's like, never pick seven. You know, like you're always an eight.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
And so it's very much Goodhart's Law in a much funnier context.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Well, there's another interesting data point on their survey, another interesting question, which is about coding outside of work. And if you want an indication of somebody doing something because it makes them happy, it's something that they would do outside of work.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
And so the same exact work of developing, while there's 80% unhappy at work, 68% of respondents said that they write code outside of work as a hobby. That's like almost 70 out of 100 people. That's a large number. And 40%, which there's some overlap there, these aren't mutually exclusive, code outside of work for professional development or self-paced learning from online courses.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
So these are people investing in themselves, caring about getting better at what they do. And that's kind of amazing. So we have this dichotomy of people who love to write software, generally speaking, and yet unhappy writing software inside of their organization. And obviously you can look at your DXi and follow the 14, but the closer you can make...
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Yeah. It's a relatively stable industry. I mean, you're always going to have people with plumbing, new plumbing, plumbing problems, et cetera. So it's not as much affected by perhaps the Federal Reserve like we are. The medical industry went through a huge swell, of course, during COVID, where there was just so many needs for medical workers that their salaries went through the roof.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
your engineering teams feel like they're doing their hobby. Think about how a hobby works. It is self-directed, first of all. So autonomy is huge. Most likely, unless they have a bunch of kids running around, there's deep work involved. You can lose yourself in it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
You can go into the, I was going to say the garage, but if we're coding, well, maybe the garage, wherever it is that you write software.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
and just pound away at it for four hours without any interruptions and really lose yourself in it a lot of these 14 metrics actually are manifest in hobbies and so if you can obviously a business is a business and so you can't just be like everybody do what they want it worked for a little while for github until they got to about 100 i think 100 engineers i was there for i was there for the ride not at github but here podcasting and paying attention and using it as a product
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
And going to conferences where Zach Holman was traveling around and talking about their engineering-led development and everybody pretty much just works on what they want to, that worked for GitHub for a long time. Long meaning in years, not in employee count, like up to 100. It's not a large engineering team. They're way larger now.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
But at a certain point, that thing falls apart because there are... There's work that needs to be done that nobody would just naturally pick unless it was assigned to them and they're paid to do it. And so eventually that does. But if you can make your engineering team feel at least approximate like they would be doing this as a hobby, then I think you're going to have a lot of happy programmers.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
And a lot more happiness, too. Everybody wins there. There's no losers. These drivers, these 14 drivers, have you ever done a survey where you've asked developers to rank order?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Those drivers, they do.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Do you find that to be pretty subjective or are there certain ones that always float up to the top?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Yeah. Is that across engineering teams or product teams or is that like dev systems versus or ops versus devs?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
They were in huge demand. Of course, they worked ridiculously long and
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Wait on code review. That's right. Then there's deep work. That's just meetings, right? Just like, hey.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
trying hours and so that was probably not producing happiness but the pay was really really good and now coming down on the other side of it it's similar to the software world where it's like demand is waning jobs are harder to find you may go unemployed for a while and so there's probably a similar chart if you were to chart overall demand
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
What matters most to your teams?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
So you're sitting pretty.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
So you got some, there's some room for improvement here.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Well, we all want to think that we're doing well in that which we set out to do well. But... The worst place to be is to not be doing well and not know it, right? So at this point, of course, you are reassured because overall you're doing quite well. But even if you weren't, at least then you would know, okay, I thought I was doing well, but I obviously have some things to fix.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Now, if we picked one of those three, let's not do commit change size or whatever that one is. Let's go to the other two and say, okay, these are room for improvement. So pick one of those two and just spitballing, like what could you, Abinoda, as a leader do, right? to today, tomorrow, in order to like meaningfully move that at your next snapshot. Do you have any ideas?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Teachers, though, is a good one to cross-examine on that. Teachers are never happy, are they? I mean, they're so under-resourced. They're struggling. I just feel like most teachers probably would love to be happier.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
And how do you focus on that? Like, what are your actual tactics?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
I'm not sure where you scored on speed, but I assume it's pretty well considering these were the only three that weren't great. Have you ever considered compromising a little bit of speed? Like there's your trade-off is like, let's slow down a little bit. Because a lot of times just time to breathe and refactor and maintain actually improves code maintainability.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
If you have maybe your snow leopard moment, for instance, I'm not saying do a feature freeze or anything, but like small bits.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Uh-oh, this is a real-time demo.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
He knows the inside story.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Well, I mean, just roughly. I'm not trying to drill down. My point is like smaller teams like these generalized aggregated numbers. You can see like, oh, well, there's a skew there because of this one person situation or whatever it is.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
So you're feeling better.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Yeah. We'll give you a overall score, the changelog score for your business.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Would you be like GitHub insofar as they took a $7.5 billion payout? I would take that. I would take that.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Yeah. I think it does. This particular question was specific to like, are you happy with your job? And so that is the context that we're talking about. But of course, nobody just draws a wall up around their job. And like, as they walk through the door to work, all of a sudden they're like this different feeling person. These things do affect each other.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
definitely for a certain demographic RTO no right I do think that that's my new tagline Jared not rug pull not cool it's RTO no it's a good one I was gonna say I just was gonna say I do think that like freedom to live your life in a way that suits you and still work is a huge driver for a lot of people more more than money probably right up there with like productivity and enjoyment of my work is like do I also get to live my life in a way that suits me
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
but that's maybe just me projecting because it's always been my primary driver even more so than money is freedom and I've very much enjoyed it for many years so I'm appreciative that I have it so maybe I over emphasize that but I'm sure there's a survey out there that answers that somewhere the stack overflow or next year's DX what are you guys going to call this thing your public thing probably state of state of DX DX or developer productivity we kind of use those terms interchangeably right
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Careful now, because there is a state of organization run by a friend of ours who does state of JS, state of HTML, state of CSS. And they have this whole platform called state of. Yeah.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
You could also team up with them and have them help you run it or something, and then I'm sure they'd be happy to, because they did create, although you have all your own software, so maybe it would be a square peg, a round hole. But I know they have opened it up, and Google runs the state of HTML survey with them.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
So if you wanted to really use state of, I think there's definitely opportunity there. Anyways, in the weeds again. Let's call it a show. What do you think, Adam? Yeah, I'm down. Obby, thanks, man.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
They said, meh. So what this number is, is you take the happy people, and it's 20%. And then there's two categories that make up the 80%. And a large part of that is not like, I hate my job. They're just like, you know, it's a job, which isn't all that bad. I mean, a job is a job because it's work.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
I mean, it's not, I know we have a culture and of course the desire to like follow your passion and do what you love and all of these things. But that's the few and the proud usually who can actually do that. You know, it's not very many of us.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
That's how I read it as well. Yes. Technical debt and complexity are the two driving factors to this unhappiness, which effectively is developer experience. I mean, it's your work. And how did we get there? I think it's just like two decades of move fast and break things, isn't it? I mean, isn't that just kind of how we've gotten here? That's my best guess.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Right. So in this tracking that you do with regard to attrition, 15 to 25 percent. Is that what you said? Yeah. In the next 12 months, likely to move somewhere else. Do you also get qualitative information about like why? Like why are they moving on? Is it similar things?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Right, which can manifest in technical issues, but also bureaucratic issues.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
Right. You're feeling like you're not getting anything done or you're, you're constantly like working Jira tickets and you come in in the morning and you got 20 open tickets and you work eight hours and you sweat and you bleed and you leave and you got 22 open tickets and you're like, I'm never going to, I'm never going to get myself up from here into a place of progress.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Developer (un)happiness (Friends)
You just feel like maintenance, maintenance is all it is. And I can see how that would be demoralizing, especially over time.
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Stop Letting Money Conflicts Tear Your Relationships Apart
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Quit Trying to Outearn Your Stupidity!
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I don't really want to give them a free pass, but do we continue to just use our monthly budget to make the process continue?
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We have three. Two of them are involved in this process. Child number one, his loans are done.
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Well, the 32-year-old. is one semester away from finishing his doctorate. So he's really been a student for a while. In what? In music.
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Professor. His goal was to be a professor, and I think he got very close to the end and decided that I don't know that I want to do that, and he kind of just bailed.
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We've kind of declared war on our mortgage holder. And we're down to $102,000. Oh, man. Oh, no. And so this will put that on hold probably for about a year because last year we paid almost $32,000 on principle. How old are you guys? 61 and 58.
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Doing all right. So my fiance and I are getting married in April.
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Congrats. Thank you. She was born and raised in Scotland, and she still lives there. So we've been long distance for about almost eight years. Where in Scotland? She's on the West Coast. So she's basically right on the water about 40 minutes from Glasgow.
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Yes. No, she's actually moving here to Georgia. Wow, that's a downgrade, Bobby.
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If You Want to Build Wealth, Stop Acting Like Everyone Else
I'd do my best, or at least I've fooled her well.
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If You Want to Build Wealth, Stop Acting Like Everyone Else
So, yes, it is in Scotland. And? It's right on one of the locks there, and I am not wearing a kilt.
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Actually, you would be surprised because half of her family is English. And, of course, all of my family is American, and so there's only probably going to be 25% of the people there wearing kilts.
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That's great. We are having bagpipes down the aisle, so there is that.
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So, yeah, she doesn't know what a 401k is, doesn't know what a Roth IRA is. Man, different culture. She's sort of familiar with the baby steps just from what I've talked to her about it, and she knows who Dave Ramsey is.
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But we're I'm trying to figure out what's the best way to kind of get her on board with the baby steps and kind of she's a little bit nervous or hesitant about the intensity of the baby steps.
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So there's that and then the culture.
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We do not. We are debt-free.
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Yeah, absolutely. We're going to do pretty much everything together.
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And kind of right now she's kind of the breadwinner. I'm, I'm currently not employed because I'm, I'm finishing up my flight instructor rating. Nice. And so I'll be a flight instructor pretty much immediately after we get married, but right. Or yeah.
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It's going to be an hourly position, but ballpark, I'm hoping around $50,000. $35,000 would be the absolute, absolute low.
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We don't know yet, just because we don't know what she's going to be doing. What's her profession? She has a degree in international event management. So that kind of means she can do weddings, she can do corporate events.
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She's done everything under the sun, whether it's social media or event planning or serving. We're totally not worried about her finding a job.
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So on my side, we have about $38,000 in savings, and that comes from an inheritance.
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And how about her? She's bringing probably over just shy of $10,000. Okay. Perfect. But both of us have very little... expenses because we both live with our parents right now and it just didn't make sense for us to move into apartments each and then have to move again.
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Hi, Dave and Jake. Thanks for taking my call. Sure.
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My question is, I'm 61 years old, I got about six more years before I retire. I currently have a traditional 401k with the government. And I'm trying to find out, we have now paid off both our houses and we have about $2,500 a month more to invest. Should I
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max out the $31,000 a year into my current traditional 401k, or would I be better off taking that $2,500 and possibly getting a smart investor investing into a Roth?
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We cannot, no. So it's a traditional form. My wife has a Roth IRA with the company she works for in the government, though.
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We could, but she's only 50 years old. So we only have so much we can go with that.
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Well, I'm trying to play catch up. You know, my current situation and my condition is about $180,000.
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The size of the nest egg is about 600,000, 700,000. How old are you?
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And him saying, well, then why'd you stay? Why didn't you walk away? Geez. I mean, what the hell is going on? If someone didn't want it, you walk to someone else. If someone waves an iPhone in your face, you say, good luck getting lazy fingers from not having to press buttons anymore. You miscreant. And you go to the next door.
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Can you call yourself a doctor, please? I've seen better doctors on Bugs Bunny. Ma.
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Do you have to keep nodding your head? You're like a bobblehead on an old Corvette that hadn't had his transmission regulated. Jesus Christ, are you riding a horse? Do you need something to support your chin?
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I just had a Mountain Dew splashed with some Dr. Pepper, bitch. You wanna fuck with me? I'll give you a piece of me.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Yeah, that's true. You know what I mean?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
And then we could see if they are honest about what's going on in Edges' car.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Ich denke, das ist die Art, wie du Frauen im Allgemeinen anschaust.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Genau. I could have used the bumpers, frankly. I was fucking horrible at bowling. Lauren is pretty good at bowling, because we found out she used to go bowling in college.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Yeah, I feel awesome. I ran the most I've run in a long time last week. How far?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
I don't even know if I met him. I think I lied. I think I just was standing next to him.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Ja, genau. Und ich habe gesagt, du musst mich verarschen. Und dann waren wir in einer Kämpfe über es. Und ich habe gesagt, ich habe gesagt, du kannst mal Unterhauern nehmen. Und ich war in Ordnung damit, aber du bist zu weit gegangen.
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Yeah, but I'm convinced this lady... I mean, if she was good at her job, she would. I think she just went on our website. We have profiles on the company website. She was like, I sense that you are... Comedian and writer.
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
You went to grow your podcast.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Ich denke, dass du so weit richtig warst, dass es dich nicht beeinflusst hat, aber ich denke, dass du ein bisschen naiv bist. Ich denke, es könnte für dich wirklich schlecht sein. Aber, danke Gott, war es nicht.
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
I mean, I think it's more like just like with travel, like we could keep it when I'm there, but then like when I'm gone, like that would be like a failsafe in place for the weekends that.
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Also denke ich nicht, dass das passieren wird, aber ich möchte einen Hund. Ich denke nicht, dass ich einen bekommen werde, aber es war großartig. Es war ein toller Tag. Ich bin auf die Beach gegangen. Ich habe Krabben gesehen. Ich habe Krabben gesehen. Ich habe Krabben gesehen.
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Ich möchte ein bisschen darüber sprechen, wie meine Morgenroutine sich verändert hat. Ich habe früher mit einem Haufen Kaffee angefangen. Ich glaube, das kann vielleicht nicht der beste Weg sein, um zu gehen. Du wirst ein bisschen nervig, schmerzhaft. Deshalb bin ich sehr gespannt darauf, dass ich Mudwater entdeckt habe.
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Sie haben eigentlich einen Laden auf der Straße und sie haben uns einige gesendet. Ich habe ein bisschen Wasser verpackt, es abgemischt und mir einen Morgenbrot gemacht. Es hat funktionierende Muscheln. All die Rage in diesen Tagen.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
I do see everything coming in. I just like I'll get notification, see a text. I'm like, I'm not gonna respond to that right now. And then I forget about it later.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
I think Rusty looks like the mom.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Two weeks ago, it was still on break. It was like New Year's Day or the day after. Yeah. And I... He texted something in the group chat at 8.30am. I hadn't responded. And then I got a separate text individually at 9.30am. Hey man, need you active in the group chat.
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
mit was auch immer, das ist wie ein Roboter, der ungefähr menschlicher Größe ist, werden die Leute versuchen, es zu verletzen. Also, wenn es einen Weg gibt, es zu verletzen oder etwas, ich fühle mich einfach wie... Dein Geist ist dreckig.
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Die Leute werden es versuchen, es zu verletzen. Er sagt, er würde es versuchen, es zu verletzen. Ich würde es nicht versuchen, es zu verletzen. Wie machen wir es verletzbar?
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
No. You just said it like it was a crazy quest.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
There's no way you saw Andre 3000. You didn't see Andre 3000. I saw Andre 3000. Why don't we just ask him? Ask Andre 3000?
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
If he saw him? Yeah. He's like, oh yeah, I saw Rusty. Fuck you, you didn't see him. You probably saw a freaking big boy.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
And that it feels like cringe to listen to because it's a TikTok song.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Das ist real. Wenn es nicht eine Entschuldigung von der Supreme Court gibt, dann ist es weg. Ich will, dass sie es bannt. Warum?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
It's like TikTok. It's like they're trying to create a new app to take over for TikTok.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Okay, alright, here we go. I got two, I got two. Because the first one I think I might have done. It's the dish drawer. I don't understand why you have to load the dishwasher and then unload it into your drawers. Why not just have drawers that you can just flick a switch and it washes everything in the drawer? I think you have. You have done that, but that's so awesome.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
clean start for me now for a fresh start am i pitching uh cube fridge uh one thing about like you ever like have something that like it ends up getting gross and stinky in the back of your fridge or like you forget about and you don't eat because you forgot because it was behind something or like your roommate and you are trying to find make room in the fridge and yours is behind his thing yep cube fridge is a fridge that exists right in the middle of the kitchen and it's accessible from all four sides oh
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
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Yeah, that's almost as many as I have. And their owners from stiff, unforgiving denim.
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Nope. written and directed by Jeff Probst. I love Jeff Probst! Starring Ryan Reynolds and James Earl Jones. Isn't that insane? I love it. Tell me more. I mean, I don't know anything about the movie. I just thought the fact that Jeff Probst, the host of Survivor, wrote and directed a feature film starring Ryan Reynolds is insane. Did it get good reviews?
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
He was the host of Celebrity Jeopardy or something. Or not Celebrity, Rock and Roll Jeopardy.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Ja, weil er glaubt, dass die Serie etwas Besonderes ist.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Rusty wrong again. Rusty wrong. But anyway, it's sort of cool that he also directed some other movie too, I think.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
saved, but $400 for a gym membership?
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Can you just Google what a mystery shopper is?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
I think you need it somewhat warm to keep you... But then I get all slippery from the sweat. And then it's like, alright, now get back down into downward dog. And my hands, I'm like... Did you bring your own mat? No, I used the one they had there.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
What you get in unemployment is based on what you were making before.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Yeah. I think you can express concern about it. Agreed. But I think ultimately if she's going through with it, you should be at your sister's wedding. If my sister gets married, I will be there.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
You didn't want to take it, you didn't want to pop the top? I wasn't ready for that. You gotta pop the hood, man. Scott and I kept our shirts on.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Obviously, it's not good that you said that, but the weirder thing is the mom saying that about a random 13-year-old girl.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
And everyone just like goes, of course. And I'm like, uh.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Das ist einer der besten Videos, die ich je gesehen habe.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
At one point, like a lady was like, I was like looking at this lady in front of me as like a reference. And then at one point she stood on her head. Yeah. And I was like, what? War das nicht eine Beginner-Klasse?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Ich folgte ihr. Dann stand sie auf meinem Kopf. Ich musste einen neuen Mann finden. Der nächste Mann beginnt zu levitieren. Ich bin ein paar Schritte hinter diesen Leuten. Ich war in der Rückseite. Danke Gott. Keiner schaut mich an.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Aber ich freue mich auf Will's Parody Hour. Ich kann nicht warten.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
He came over at one point and he was like, alright, so we're gonna move this arm in. He hasn't talked to anyone individually until me. But at one point he's like, now, extend your left leg back. And I'm like, we're like looking out this way and I extend my leg and I just kick the cabinet right behind me.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
She just said the biggest yawn of all time. I think your friend who got a film who just bought it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
I think Emma Stone is going to win for CGI Love You, a rom-com about an actress who falls in love with her co-star as CGI Water Buffalo. When the film wraps, she must attempt to replicate that love with the voice actor, convinced that it was never about the appearance.
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
John Krasinski, I think he's going to win for Young Jim, a stunning portrayal of the childhood of his character from The Office, in which Krasinski filmed the entire series on his knees.
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Das ist ein 3-Foot-Puddle im jungen Tom-Transits-Dreis.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
We were, oh, my buddy texted me something that would be funny, like a guy, like an NIL deal with like a church. So he's like, you know, after the games, like, thank, first I want to thank God. Like, he's like, first I want to thank Zorp. He sounded like an NIL deal with Scientology. What is it? Zinu.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Definitely a party foul in yoga.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
He doesn't even believe it. It's just a brand new thing.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
You build it, they're gonna fuck you.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
You'd slip on a pile of marbles.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
I don't know, man. I don't think it was the best showing, but it felt really good.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
My friend Sophia works at the studio, so I got to go for free.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
I was like, I think it's the hat.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
In Nashville. Und ich habe gesagt, wenn es in der Zeit endet, werde ich einfach in die Venue gehen und den Ende des Konzerts fangen. Ich liebe einfach die Song Trippin, aber sie spielen sie meistens bis zum Ende. Und es war mein zweiter Song in diesem Jahr. Und der Schuss endete, ich fuhr in die Venue und ich ging, um ein Ticket zu kaufen und zu gehen.
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Und sie waren so, oh mein Gott, wir haben literally nur das letzte Ticket gekauft. Du kannst nicht rein. Das Show hat bereits angefangen, sie waren aus Tickets. Und dann hat der Typ gesagt, du, wenn du hier bei der Tür warten möchtest, wenn jemand kommt, wenn du die Leute fragen möchtest, ob sie einen extra Ticket haben, das ist okay mit mir, ich habe keine Angst.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Und so stand ich da, fragte jeden, der kommt, hast du einen extra Ticket? Hast du einen extra Ticket? Für 30 Minuten. An diesem Punkt sind nur vier Songs in der ganzen Show übrig. Und er hat gesagt, weißt du was, das bedeutet deutlich viel für mich. Geh einfach rein, sag nichts, geh einfach rein. Er hat mich einfach eingeladen.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Ja, ich meine, ich war so lange da. Ja. Und dann, als wir in Georgien für Arbeit waren, haben sie es einfach wie ein Frathaus gespielt. Ich denke, sie spielen einfach viele kleinere Shows in Athen und so, was cool ist.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Oh yeah, The Dirty Dance. The Dirty Dance.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
So you did not win. I won and then she came into the fold and we played a four person game and she rinsed.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
I don't really know how to describe it, but like... Uh, he does, like, weird, like, performance art. He's just, like, a crazy guy. But it's, like, comedy. Anyway, he got arrested and he's in jail and he posts these videos in jail and they're the funniest fucking things of all time. Like, it's, like, guys being, like, I'mma fuck you up, little white boy and stuff.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
And he's, like, hi, I'm enjoying prison. But, like, he's actually in prison, so I can't tell if it's, like... I'll send it to you. Yeah, I need to see that.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
His roommate got a phone or something and he started posting. I don't know. It's very bizarre, but it's funny.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Okay, like the most recent example is that you sent me a song this morning, right? So like I woke up, I'm doing my morning routine, like I'm not, I don't have the chance to listen to the song.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
I had no idea who she was. Apparently we've met before.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
She liked me until she saw me volunteering.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Ich war ein bisschen... Ich wusste nicht, wer es will.
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crying in the barbershop
What the heck? President Trump? I'm getting drafted? No! Can my girlfriend come? Can my new girlfriend come? Okay, I'll tell her.