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The Viall Files

E939 Ask Nick - Revenge Dating

Mon, 26 May 2025

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Our first caller is trying to clear her name from a smear campaign created by her ex. Our second caller thinks she’s undatable. And, our third caller is turning 40 and worried she’ll never be in another long-term relationship “Your energy right now is not being channeled on healing…" Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff every Monday starting October 21st! Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 https://open.spotify.com/show/4NWA8LBk15l2u5tNQqDcOO?si=c03a23d537f94735   Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [email protected] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  To Order Nick’s Book Go To: https://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice, send an email to [email protected] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line!  To advertise on this podcast please email: [email protected] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Quince - Elevate your closet with Quince. Go to https://quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and three hundred and sixty-five -day returns. ASPCA - To explore coverage, visit https://aspcapetinsurance.com/viall  SkyLight Frames - Right now, Skylight is offering our listeners $30 off their 15 inch Calendars by going to https://skylightcal.com/viall    Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (00:13) - Caller One (19:59) - Caller Two (01:07:10) - Caller Three   Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @justinkaphillips @dereklanerussell  

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Chapter 1: How can I clear my name after a smear campaign?

102.203 - 102.724 Nick Viall

How did you find out?

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103.066 - 115.97 Anna

I was actually making our wedding invitations and he had signed on to his Google Drive on my computer so I could access the photos that we took in the UK last summer and I came across a screen recording. So then I started looking for more and found a lot more.

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116.03 - 117.85 Nick Viall

A screen recording of what?

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117.91 - 124.072 Anna

It was his college roommate and his wife engaged in intercourse.

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124.112 - 129.913 Nick Viall

He had a video of his college roommate and his college roommate's wife having sex? Yes.

129.993 - 139.857 Anna

In a lot of different ways. So they would just send him Oh mein Gott. Und dann, als du mehr gelesen hast, was hast du noch gefunden?

139.917 - 141.857 Nick Viall

Okay, aber was glaubst du? Ja, genau.

141.897 - 166.979 Anna

Hast du etwas anderes gefunden? Es gab auch andere Dinge in der Vergangenheit, die ich abgelassen habe. Aber alles, was ich gefunden habe, kam von mir heraus. Er hat nichts gefordert.

167.059 - 174.044 Nick Viall

Also, wenn du ihn mit diesen Videos getroffen hast, hat er sich zu all dem verabschiedet? Oder was war seine Erklärung? He did, yeah.

Chapter 2: What should I do if I feel undateable?

1683.974 - 1707.724 Nick Viall

Ich habe heute Geld verdient, aber ich dachte mir, ob das ein Jahr später für mich verfügbar sein wird. Mein Zukunft war also sehr ungewiss, obwohl mein Wissen darüber, ein Vater zu sein, sehr klar war. Als ich dann mit älteren Frauen verabredet habe, die Kinder hatten, und ich dachte, dass ich vielleicht noch mehr Kinder haben möchte, war es eher so, dass ich dachte,

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1709.165 - 1725.295 Nick Viall

If I say yes to this relationship, we immediately have to start talking about like family planning. It just kind of felt weird and heavy a little bit. Fair or not, that was just a thought process that went in my head, thinking about like, how is this going to work? You know, it kind of felt a bit.

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1725.335 - 1736.962 Crystal Kung Minkoff

Yeah, no, I totally get it. And I think like what's hard is that I never thought I would be in this place. You know, I've always been in relationships and been there.

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1738.029 - 1764.381 Crystal Kung Minkoff

you know someone who thought that like one of those relationships would end in marriage and it just didn't work out you know the way I planned so I don't I hate that like I'm in this position where I have to be like hi nice to meet you do you want to have kids in the next three to five years like I don't want it to be that way but like I have made the choice to prioritize this.

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1764.441 - 1785.972 Nick Viall

And I'm glad that you have stuck to your guns there. And I'm glad that you are clear in terms of what you want for yourself. And I think that will serve you well, even though right now it almost feels like your confidence in knowing what you want almost gets in the way of you finding someone. But you're not looking for somebody. You're looking for...

1788.115 - 1803.301 Crystal Kung Minkoff

I'm very specific about what I want. And like I keep saying, I don't want like a sperm donor. That's not what I'm looking for. If that were the case, I could have had a kid a long time ago. Like, not a problem. Is that something you're open to?

1803.361 - 1804.542 Justin

Just out of curiosity?

1804.662 - 1820.131 Crystal Kung Minkoff

I am, but I can't afford it. Like, I couldn't afford it living where I live. I can barely... take care of myself right now.

1820.171 - 1821.932 Nick Viall

Well, that's not true.

Chapter 3: What are the challenges of dating after 40?

2736.886 - 2759.915 Nick Viall

It seemed less important. And I asked for their advice. And they loved her. They met Natalie the first weekend I met her. And it was our third day hanging out. And Charlene said to me, she's great. And I'm like, I know. And she's like, but she's too young. And I'm like, I know. And then fast forward, I don't know how many months later, I was like, I'm thinking about trying.

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2759.975 - 2782.562 Nick Viall

And they were like, I don't think it should work. I don't think it'll work. And the truth is, their advice was... Ja, und es war laut. Wenn ein Freund dir gesagt hätte, was soll ich tun, und du versuchst, ihm das pragmatischste, glaubwürdigste Tipp zu geben, oder nur die Chancen zu spielen, dann war es so, dass das eine risikantere Wahl war. But I ultimately got off the phone.

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2782.602 - 2787.005 Nick Viall

I was just like, I just, I don't know. Fuck it. I just got to see this through.

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2787.065 - 2788.786 Crystal Kung Minkoff

Yeah, you're like, I'm going to do it anyway.

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2788.886 - 2813.752 Nick Viall

I'm just going to do it. Because at that point, I was just like, I've dated a handful of women. And I'm so good at just looking for the flaw. I'm so good at finding the reason it won't work. But I never tried with them. You know, and I thought to myself, well, I could have tried with them. And I don't listen. I wasn't like sad. I didn't end up in any of them.

2813.772 - 2822.58 Nick Viall

But like it did leave me with questions, you know. And here I was, you know, at this point, I wasn't like I mean, I probably did like I was in love with Natalie, but I was very confused about my feelings.

2822.62 - 2828.605 Crystal Kung Minkoff

And, you know, and I still felt like we're talking yourself out of it because you're like, I can't be in love with. Yeah, yeah.

2828.665 - 2848.938 Nick Viall

And so then I was just like, you know what? I'm just gonna find out. I'm just gonna fuck around and find out. And if we date for a year and we break up and it's messy and all my friends say, well, I fucking told you that's what happens when you date a 22-year-old, then I'll just... Ich werde es umgehen. Ich weiß, worauf ich mich hineinbekommen habe.

2848.998 - 2864.277 Nick Viall

Ich habe mich nicht dazu eingelassen, zu denken, dass ich nicht herumgehen werde, obwohl ich dachte, dass sie für sie alt war. Ich werde nicht herumgehen und versuchen, wenn ich falsch bin, dann bin ich falsch. Und ich denke, das ist der Mindset, den du haben musst.

Chapter 4: How do I cope with a breakup and moving on?

5026.456 - 5030.097 Nick Viall

Yeah. But now your biggest challenge is kind of being patient.

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5030.157 - 5056.882 Melissa

Yeah. I think what you're talking about in terms of that probably hanging on too long, I think Obviously that's something I did in my marriage. I found as I was dating, following the marriage ending, I found that I was repeating that behavior a lot where I continually wanted to give someone the benefit of the doubt and give them that second chance.

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5056.942 - 5074.24 Melissa

And it took a while to realize that the same behavior, the same mentality that had kept me in that marriage was starting to Keep me in some of these. I mean, I've been through the situations. I've been through all those different scenarios.

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5074.3 - 5098.306 Melissa

And I realized I was doing that same thing where if I didn't like how something was happening toward me, I thought, well, you know, they have this going on in their life. I'm going to give them this benefit of the doubt. And I would find myself in that same trap. And it was only really recently that I finally broke that cycle. Und jetzt spreche ich nicht mit jemandem.

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5098.346 - 5115.917 Melissa

Ich meine, das ist die erste Zeit und wahrscheinlich seit der Verbrechung passiert, dass ich keine aktive Beziehung zu einer Person oder einer Person habe, mit der ich datieren möchte. Und ich denke, dass etwas in mir geflogen ist, wo ich früher auf dieser Mannheit war, wer diese Person war.

5115.937 - 5136.35 Melissa

Ich war auf der Dating App, also sprach ich mit jemandem, der mir die Aufmerksamkeit geben würde, schmerzhaft das zu sagen. Und Now that I've come out on the other end and I've looked at everything and my behaviors with my dating, I looked at the behaviors that even led me to that marriage with that man. Now I feel like I've seen too much. Now I don't want to go on the dating apps.

5136.41 - 5157.624 Melissa

I get hesitant when anyone is clocking me at the gym or wanting to talk to me. I don't want another scenario. I don't want another scenario where I have to try to read this person, where I have to try to figure out Can something happen where I don't want to? What's the endgame? It's like it's too much. It's overstimulating.

5157.684 - 5173.377 Melissa

And so now I'm just kind of wondering when will that change where I'm willing to feel that hurt again or even know how to act when that situation presents itself. So it's overwhelmingly paralyzing, I think.

5173.831 - 5198.495 Nick Viall

Yeah, I don't know the answer of when, but from what you're describing, this kind of sounds pretty positive. And I feel like, well, yeah, I mean, it sounds like progress to me. It sounds like even before recently, since you've been an adult person, it sounds like attracting men has been relatively easy for you and you've always had some kind of love interest, healthy or not, in your life.

Chapter 5: What are the signs of a healthy relationship?

5984.287 - 6017.484 Nick Viall

It is normal to turn 40 and freak out. I kind of felt weird about it, but you are in a unique position als eine Frau, die um 40 Jahre alt ist, wie ein Mann, der um 40 Jahre alt ist. Viele Frauen, die Single sind, die Kinder haben wollen, die nicht den Vorteil haben, Kinder zu haben, sind nicht in der Lage, so zu tun. 40-jährige Männer, die noch Kinder wollen, die noch nie Kinder hatten,

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6019.725 - 6039.512 Nick Viall

kann sich umdrehen und herausfinden und einen 23-Jährigen daten, der vielleicht die dummste Sache ist, die sie jemals gemacht hat, weil es eine Menge gibt. Und es kann in ihrem Gesicht explodieren und sie können dann 42 sein und nichts hat sich wirklich für sie verändert. Sie sind immer noch in der Lage, Kinder zu haben, wenn sie die richtige Person treffen.

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6039.732 - 6060.395 Nick Viall

Sie sind ein paar Jahre älter und hoffentlich haben sie die gleiche Menge Haare. als sie das vor zwei Jahren gemacht hat. Und du hast das, du musst dich nicht um deine Haare kümmern, wie 40-jährige Männer. Also, es ist eine Menge, es ist eine Menge, wie du dich wählst, auf diese Situation zu schauen.

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6060.635 - 6086.114 Nick Viall

und wir alle haben selbstbedrohliche Glauben, wir alle haben Gefühle und Dinge, die uns in den Kopf kommen, aber ich denke, du musst dich einfach daran erinnern, wie viel Erfolg du gemacht hast und du musst dir die Gnade geben und du musst lachen und Spaß haben und einfach sagen, dass ich bin, dass ich bin, dass ich bin, dass ich bin, dass ich bin, dass ich bin, dass ich bin,

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6089.497 - 6105.942 Nick Viall

Yeah, you made some bad decisions dating when you were younger, but your bad decisions were based off of thinking you needed a man and you needed the validation and then you wanted to have kids and then you got stuck in this very toxic relationship. But I'm not saying you should go like fuck some 28-year-old guy.

6106.022 - 6114.765 Nick Viall

I'm just saying that if all you wanted to do was go on vacation with your friends and just have fun and throw caution to the wind,

6115.385 - 6133.99 Nick Viall

and you decided, you know what, I haven't been late in a while and I'm going to do that with a 28-year-old man, sort of just making sure you have protected sex, you can do that guilt-free and risk-free and just have some fucking fun in ways that other people in your position don't feel like they have the luxury of doing.

6134.07 - 6152.339 Nick Viall

And if you waste 6 to 12 months with a guy you probably realize you had no business doing that with, You don't have to beat yourself up or be like, I shouldn't have done that. You didn't really waste much time. You have the benefit right now of kind of doing things for the plot.

6152.359 - 6154.501 Caller Two (Unnamed)

That sounds dangerous. But yeah.

Chapter 6: How should I approach family after a breakup?

6839.002 - 6863.73 Nick Viall

du hast diese Möglichkeit, weil du recht hast, die meisten Leute nicht, wie alle die Leute da draußen, die sind, und das sind die meisten von ihnen, die alle so sind, wie, weißt du, alles passiert für einen Grund, sind furchtbar, die Wahrnehmung ihres Lebens zu nehmen, und sie warten auf Gott oder die Fähigkeit oder die Sterne oder was auch immer sie glauben, um sie zu retten, wenn sie, was auch immer, wie Purgatory sie über ihr Leben akzeptieren.

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6864.91 - 6875.899 Nick Viall

Ich könnte falsch sein, das ist nur meine Meinung, aber ich bin von der Meinung, dass diese Menschen leben werden, um es zu schmerzen. Und was sagen die Leute immer, wenn sie alt sind und was auch immer? Sie sagen immer, ich wünschte, ich hätte mehr Chancen genommen. Ich wünschte, ich hätte mehr Risiken genommen.

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6875.959 - 6892.473 Nick Viall

Ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünschte, ich wünsch

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6893.275 - 6914.193 Nick Viall

And most people, especially people who take care of themselves, who have the benefit of having privileges, who in your case have children and don't have to worry about the fear of not having children. The reality is that some people who desperately want to have children aren't lucky enough to be able to have children.

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6914.253 - 6934.542 Nick Viall

And some of that is outside of their control, biology, and some of that is they made poor choices. And we don't like to realize that we've made poor choices because it doesn't do us any good, like sulking over a mistake we made. We have to pick ourselves up and move on, but sometimes we don't get second chances. And those are very hard mistakes to overcome.

6934.562 - 6953.214 Nick Viall

And you have the benefit of not really worrying about not having a second chance, the things that you want most in your life. Yeah. So I would really try to embrace that and really focus on the positives because I'm hearing a ton of positives.

6953.314 - 6972.071 Nick Viall

And it's normal to let those negative thoughts come in, but you have to just get better at changing the narratives in your head and really embrace this next chapter of your life because it could be really awesome. It really, really could. And you're going to look back Like truly happy, not trying to convince yourself you're happy.

6972.091 - 6998.699 Nick Viall

Because right now, you're in that kind of, it's, you know, someone told me, you know, like right now I have a lot of exciting things happening in my life. And it doesn't personally feel like that for me. But I'm going through, sometimes growth causes pain. Trying new things, stretching, not accepting what you have. Those are awkward and difficult moments. You're going through some growing pains.

6998.779 - 7006.084 Nick Viall

And so everything that you're feeling is more growing pains, more than something's wrong. You gotta keep pushing forward.

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