Nick Viall
Appearances
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Thank God you're done.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
There's nothing worse than a guy, you know, for a guy when it's like, you get that look. Yeah. You're just like, are you ready? Are you done? You done there? Okay.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And the guy's like, are you okay?
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I mean, you know, we're all human, you know.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Anyway, congratulations again to Grant and Juliana.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah. I picked up a long time ago. I was like, all right, it's time. Yeah, you're almost done. She wants this to end.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
yeah you start saying the craziest shit and then because he's like down for anything in that moment and then you have that post nut clarity and he's like yeah oh yeah i didn't mean any of that seriously though you can see it in his face so weird the next 20 minutes he's always like checking in it's like how are
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Great. Excellent. Letia, we finally watched Letia's, well, we watched. Victoria was watching two brothers jerk each other off.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
What's wrong? I love you. What's wrong? What's wrong? What's wrong?
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
So you finally watched. I did. I didn't love it.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I don't know, like Mike White. Mike's watching too much porn, clearly.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Or does that mean they were naked on drugs when they got dressed? I think that was just like.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I mean, it was already kind of fucked up enough.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
one of the three girlfriends because that's all first world problems so far you don't want to be one of them no that's the best situation oh the best situation because their problems are all like first world problems so far yeah that we know of also i know this is like not this is a hot take controversial take i'm team jacklyn i like her like if she was there for her friend she's like you know hey you should you should hook up with the hottie hook up with the honey hook up the honey she couldn't close it
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Oh, Jacqueline's married? Yeah. That's like a boyfriend situation.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Oh, well, I forgot. Yeah, I forgot about that. Okay.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I forgot about that. I forgot about that. Yeah, so that's fucked up. I'm wrong. Let's pretend that Jacqueline's character is not in a relationship.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah, that was gross. But yeah, so what do we think of Letia's, what do we call it? Her case that she pleaded.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Because that happens, like, with friends. It happens with guys, too. It happens with girls. You go on vacation, like, and you meet a group of people. And then all the single people, it's a little bit of, like, let's all be friendly, but it's also a little competitive. It's a little dancing, you know?
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Maybe Lori could never close. And Jacqueline was like... She's not a closer. Not a closer.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
It's like, you know, if it's like a sports matter for, you know, you're always passing the ball to your teammate because it's like, all right, they need some points. So you keep trying to give them the assist. Well, how many times before they brick it are you going to be like, you know what? I'm just going to go ahead and take this shot because...
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Shooters gotta shoot.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
She's the independent.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Reality Recap, a special edition of Reality Recap, because it's Wednesday.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
So do you think her character was being honest about not realizing how triggering it was going to be? Or do you think she likes the drama and she was pretending?
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I'm going to say in your single days. I'm not sure how wifed up you are.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
After this weekend. But I'm sure you've been out with the girlfriends before. Mm-hmm. Have you ever felt like you've had friends try to compete with you that it was like, why are we- Listen, no, no, listen.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Here's a question. Here's a question. When someone says, I'm going to bring the receipts, does that require you bringing anything physically tangible or can it just be your, is your truth a receipt?
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
sure yeah and the guy's like no no was hoping for you yeah and then what if you know i actually had this situation happen to me recently with a friend and she got so upset with me and it's just so stupid i can't even talk about it but um in guy's world and like i was i would always have like friends there's always a couple friends who you know maybe struggled to close at times yeah
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And if we'd go out and there'd be a group of girls, whatever, they would go like, dibs. You know what I'm saying? We'd meet a group of people. And like, before we even knew like names.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah. And I'd be like, okay, we'll see. Yeah, we'll see if green shirt's yours, sweetheart, by the end of tonight. And then they would get mad when green shirt and I were like vibing. And I'm like, in what world was I supposed to just sit around and watch you strike out? Exactly. Well.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
She's imaginary.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Who are the guys you're upset like to Victoria more than you? Strangers.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Sure it was.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Like gaslighting? Yeah.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Because it was a slow, gradual process of you getting more and more pregnant. It was like, you look great.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
When we went to Toronto and we did Alex's live show and we posted that video and it went like, got like 10 million views. You looked stunning there.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
You came out like this baddie with a baby. Yeah. It was like people were quite taken with it.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Those paparazzi photos, they're never flattering for any of us. Well, no one can accuse you of staging those photos.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Well, they can, but actually they probably will still accuse you. Yeah, they will. I have had plenty of really ugly paparazzi photos and people are like, oh, stage.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Looked so grumpy or pissed, like you want to kill someone?
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I'm bringing the receipts, you gaslighting narcissist. And then she'll be like, yeah, you told me you liked me the most.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Isn't she like met with Heather or she just watched some Heather?
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I was at a party last week. I was at an Armani.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I went to an Armani.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I went to an Armani. Armani? There we go. Anyways, I saw Leslie Bibb there. She was very lovely.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
No. I was like, love the show.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
He's like, I have no idea. She looked very kind to the people she was talking to. She was smiling a lot. Justin came as my plus one.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I don't like bothering people. Oh, good, good.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
No, but he was willing.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I'm like, I'm not good at this.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
She gave me her number and it must have been a fake number because she never responded.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
It was an iMessage.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah, and I guess Leslie was saying something about apologizing but not really saying you're sorry. I don't know. What was the exact quote?
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
From my memory. So as long as you hold out your hand and read your truth from the palm of your hand, you're like, and then you said I was the one.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Heather's very good at that. Exactly. I'm sorry.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
It's like she's apologizing for the person she's apologizing to.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Boy, those decisions seven years ago, you probably would have done something differently if you knew it would lead you to this moment, right? Sorry.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Heather's out of touchness love.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I want more of that in my housewives. I don't need relatable.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Well, before we get to both men talking shit about Justin's girl Sutton, just a quick reminder. We do have Natalie from Love Island later this episode to dish on some of the tea following the finale of said show, which will be very helpful for us if we ever get a chance to talk to the rest of the cast. But it's a nice little setup, I think, from Natalie. So that is later this episode.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
So exciting stuff. Basim Insane accuses Sutton of being mean. And she says she's not the person she anticipated.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Or at least she heard, you know, she just assumed she would be nicer or heard she was nice. Or maybe she was listening to this podcast and heard Justin being like, oh my God, I met her in person. She was just like loving and amazing. And then she got to meet her.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
No. Well, Yvonne Bozeman, like, who, from everything we know about her, is very self-made, very independently successful, Netflix executive, entrepreneur, like, independently wealthy. Yeah. Like, has dealt with her own trauma, her own tragedy. Certainly Sutton has as well. We've heard her talk about her father and things like that.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Which I really think pissed off Latia.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
But if you're Boseman and you're looking at Sutton, it might be a little harder to respect Sutton. Sutton's money comes from her husband. And it's just like when Boseman chooses not to throw her money in other people's faces. And I would be a little more critical of something. Because it's like, you don't need to act this way. I don't act this way. Why are you acting this way?
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
In a way that maybe can come across as a bit mean and entitled and privileged.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Because I felt like Grant said, as Grant has all season long, very kind, very thoughtful, very empathetic man. Came out, knew he was going to take some punches. At any moment, he looked like he could cry. I wasn't sure if that was a performance, if that was real. He came out very, just very...
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I think she cares.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Sure, but as soon as you go Sutton, you know that one, and she freaks out and then like she loses her fucking mind as soon as like someone's like, hey, but that one time you were kind of mean.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
She does not act unbothered.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
In the moment, I guess. She does care if people correct her.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah. Yes. She's like, well, wait, I'm sorry. I'm just being honest. Right. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And then on the third day and then the group date. And then like every day you said, I was it. You said you liked me the most.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
talk to me have you ever uh like brought the receipts uh or or spoke your truth to someone and that their response was honestly like as thoughtful and as kind as empathetic as possible and it kind of pissed you off because you you kind of wanted to get into it with them yeah for sure yeah i felt like that's what would happen last night it's like whenever i remember when i was like a teenager growing up and my mom would get mad at me for something and i would just say okay
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Thank you.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Thank you.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
yeah yeah okay right damn it yeah damn it fight with me that was grand he's like I'm no I'm I'm really sorry I definitely hurt you and I'm I'm so sorry and you're the best and I'm the worst and you are so wonderful and I'm absolutely and I'm an idiot and I'm an idiot and I'm you are and I and I have to And she was like, well, let me just repeat exactly what I repeated before.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Thank you.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
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The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Cause I'm still really pissed. And honestly, like, and like, you know, you always can kind of tell where the crowd's going because like, you know, do they boo, do they cheer? Like they brought out Latia. She spoke her truth. Then they brought out Grant and he got quite a warm welcome.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
An unhoused woman wandered in and we were the only... I just want to understand why is that different and more specifically better? Is it because it's new?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Stigma?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
It's just like... So what happens when five years from now we've all been saying unhoused, unhoused, all these unhoused people... They won't have to change it. They won't have to change it because we've just
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
By all means, I'd love, yeah.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Are they going to go, so what about the charity? Is it going to be unhoused? What about the homeless not toothless? What are you going to do?
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Unhoused, no teeth.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I don't like it.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Is that the one your mom was crying over? Yeah.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
If it was 1980, when you got married.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah. And applause.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And then I said, blame me.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
All right, well, coming up next, Natalie from Temptation Island joins us, and she serves up some tea and some burning questions that I think will serve us well in the future. And then after Natalie, we'll come back, and I do need to talk about my favorite online obsession, the, what's his name, Ashton? Ashton? Ashton? I don't know.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
He's the ASMR daily routine guy, and now there's all these viral videos of all these daily routines. I am curious about what your morning routine is. because it is nice.
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Even though the entire internet is kind of like, it's like everyone's laughing at this guy and he's just more like embracing it. And you know, like it is kind of fascinating because his whole like shtick is just like a lifestyle like this. Yeah. And now people are picking it apart and questioning how real this lifestyle is.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
But then when you think about it, he's just, all he is, is he's an online creator. And it's just like, he's doing the thing he wants, which is getting people to notice and talk about it and watch it over and over, whether they like it, make fun of it, not make fun of it.
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I feel for Letia in the sense because, you know, I've been there twice in her position. And it's just like you, listen, like your truth or whatever happens to you feels so intense. It happened to her. You know, she did get let on, clearly. Her emotions were fucked with by a lot of people, not just Grant. But the entire Bachelor Nation, the audience, everyone, like,
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But I was thinking more about it.
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But he's unbothered because people also copy Jesus. And Jesus didn't let it bother him.
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That's what he said.
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Did he? ASMR style?
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Did he also wake up at 3 a.m.? And then my question is, I was thinking about it. If you're waking up at 3 a.m., are you really an early riser at that point? Or did you just decide to work third shift? Well, when we come back, we'll discuss it. Here's Natalie.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Natalie, welcome to the Vile Files.
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We are excited as well. Thank you for taking the time. How have you been?
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Yeah, and a wild experience you had, for sure.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah. Well, where do you want to start? I feel like there's a lot of burning questions. There's been a lot of TikTok lives going on with the cast. You did not leave Temptation Island with Grant. But it seems like the relationship didn't end, though, when Temptation Island ended. It's like, can you fill us in post show about like what went down?
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this is the show, you know, it's kind of like we, we lack a little, like, it's like in the real world, it's like, you know, don't do that. The empathy is not there, but in, in bachelor world, it's like, babe, you know, Hey, you're like, and that's life. And you're going to want to move on quickly.
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And then, you know, maybe we'll go back to when you were on an island of like maybe like shower scenes and things like that. We'll maybe figure out what happened afterwards. Well, you know, I think the people, we're just here, Natalie, to give the people what they need and want and fill in gaps for things that maybe we don't get to see.
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So, you know, that's all we are, you know, at your comfort level, of course. But can you let us know where we're at in terms of what happened between you and Grant Post's show and, yeah, all that drama that ensued?
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How much of Ashley's decision to leave with Danny do you think played a role in Grant's decision to stay with you along with Tyler and Kaye?
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That's what you were told. That's what you were told.
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What was he filming?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And then temptation Island two already in Maryland.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
When you say trying to be genuine, that sounds like a really nice way of saying I don't think Grant can be genuine. Or is that an unfair statement?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
yet that's a great question I don't know I haven't spoken to him in like eight months okay so so then after this Maryland trip was that pretty much it or did you guys try to did you try to make it like try to date or try to make it work or try whatever try anything so Nick the Maryland trip was the start okay
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Well, she wasn't asked, and it wasn't like, and what is she going to say? She's going to say, here's what she's going to, I promise you, there's going to be some version of, it's obviously a very difficult situation for everyone. I love Letia. She's amazing and blah, blah, blah. And obviously, Grant, I don't condone what he did, but obviously, he is a great man, and he obviously didn't mean it.
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And why? Everything you're saying is basically you liked the idea of how Grant presented himself and there was a lot you liked and clearly you guys had good chemistry. But everything you're saying implies that at the end of the day, he wasn't who he said he was. Or you sounded very excited to date a version of Grant that he wanted you to believe that he was. That's what I'm hearing from you.
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Is that accurate?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
What specifically happened that made you, were you the one who said, fuck this, like, Amal, this isn't the way I expected it? Or like, how did things end so quickly?
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Okay, man.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Did he say, I cheated on you with Ashley? Or he's like, hey, I'm hooked up with my ex or sorry. Like, what did that conversation like? Because I'm honestly a bit shocked that he, you know...
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Was it just a kiss or that you don't know?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Was watching anything back surprising to you?
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And it's just a very difficult situation.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
All right, asked and answered. Here we go. Thank you, Jenna. They did announce Bachelor in Paradise once again. Why did you write Justice for Zoe, Leia? Like, what do you mean?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
i think it was just she was like talking shit about him to one of the guys like it wasn't she was talking a lot of shit early on she was definitely like but their boundary wasn't hey don't talk shit about me their boundary was don't touch anyone yeah so do you feel like the first bonfire and grant's frustration with ashley led to him you and him kind of like making the next step because like prior to the first bonfire gray and i weren't even really like
The Viall Files
E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
So what did happen in the shower?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
So like you guys hooked up like.
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Did you come up with that on your own or?
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Yeah. If we had the opportunity to talk to Grant and Ashley at the same time, what would you want us to ask them or what would you like any clarification on? Not necessarily you, you know, because it sounds like you got all the answers you need, but in terms of making sure that America fully understands the truth, what would you want us to ask Grant and or Ashley?
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She was the end of the season. She got, well, I mean.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Okay. Yeah. Good question.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Okay. All right.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
There you go. There was a moment when Grant tried to make you jealous, right? Early on the season, it was like right after the shower scene. And I was really proud of you because it was like, you were like, I'm not that girl. Fuck that. Blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, okay. Like, she knows what's up. And then, but like, you know, like 30 minutes later, you're like, ah, Grant. What...
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Is that a moment you, I know you're full sad and hashtag no regrets and everything, but is that a moment where you look back and think, especially when Grant was talking about his relationship with Ashley, talking about how toxic it was, didn't that make sense to think, oh, well, maybe he's at least a big part of why this relationship is toxic because here you two are hitting off and the first thing he wants to do is make you jealous by having another girl take a shot off of him
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Yeah, but Zoe the human, she was wonderful. It was 11 p.m. Basically, she was still there because Grant forgot to send her home, basically. It was like, oh, Zoe, you're still here.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And like, I guess your instincts were great, right? Like your reaction seemed like on point. But why do you feel like in that moment you didn't trust your instincts?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
do that again and i felt like because he reacted well it was fine i guess okay that makes sense i mean like i think the the fact that you were on a tv show and you were still there to make tv kind of makes sense
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
When you found out he even brought a guitar to Temptation Island, was that not a red flag?
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And then where are you now in your love life? Are you out there still maybe going back on Temptation Island next season? Are you in love? Where are you at?
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Be careful what you say. They might call you.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I feel like this is unfair to say, but I can't help but not be surprised that a girl from Arizona and a man from Florida was a little messy and a little toxic. Does that make sense to you? Or are you offended by that statement?
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All right. Well, I'm glad we're on the same page. Natalie, thank you so much for taking the time. It was fun watching you. Thanks for the great television and appreciate your honesty.
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What was she going to talk about?
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Likewise. Our pleasure. Have a great rest of your day.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Natalie.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I wanted my name to be Elijah. Oh.
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How did it feel not to get a one-on-one, Zoe?
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I hated mine. I'm perfect the way God made me.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I, well, back to my favorite online obsession. Yeah. ASMR. ASMR. Morning routine. Daily routine. Despite, I'm not believing he needs to like work out with his Beamer or I don't even know if it's a Beamer or Mercedes or whatever, but, or, and I don't think I'll ever be wiping banana peels on my face post-banana. You don't even like bananas. Yeah, he hates bananas.
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Although, every morning I give River a banana so I could, I could use hers.
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I don't know. Good question. Justin, can we find out what a banana peels on your face would do? Is it like enzymes? He does. He does tape his mouth shut at night and put like a nose strip. And I want to get back to doing that. I did that once and gave my wife the ick.
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I used masking tape.
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I use scotch tape. I use scotch tape. It was a little stripped up and down. Oh. Yeah, it was.
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It's supposed to be really good. Mouth, breathers, and sadly, I'm one of them.
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They are combining, right? Is that what they're doing? Combining?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Well, I've been worse. I've gotten better.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I got one of those jaw things, too. Also gave my wife the ick.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
It's like exercise the jaw. It's like this gummy thing.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Listen, things, you know, we have a lot of equipment here, but like not everything came. So our lighting is, you know, not where it's going to end up being. Right.
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Yeah, you kind of... Oh, is it in the front of your mouth? It's like exercise.
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It strengthens your jaw.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
It gives you a better jawline. Also, it's supposed to help with your breathing. It's supposed to help with your whole...
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
okay i get that so no plastic surgery we just need to chew on you just yeah he's got well if the option surgery or like chewing on something for a couple weeks wouldn't you go no that's what i mean so that's why you're doing it i haven't done it yet oh but watching his video i was like i need to get back i was just saying i was influenced i was i'm just saying despite all the things he showed me that i was like this is stupid and ridiculous and i don't need to go yard bag while i go work out
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No, I mean, I totally want that back. But I wouldn't take that go-yard back to the track or the gym.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I also wouldn't hand it to my friend and then have him take it to the car for me.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
But I don't want to mouth breathe anymore. Do you have any morning routines that might be unique to you that you think could better the world?
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What time are, yeah, let's go see that morning routine.
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Yeah, I was really inspired by it.
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I think it's, well.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
So what, your day starts at one?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And that's 1.30 p.m. and I'm finally ready.
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Can we walk through it? It's really quiet. It's aspirational.
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is a little too early.
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What time are we at?
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Yeah.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Okay. Are you lying down again? What do you mean?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Back in bed?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Listen, life's going great for you and you look great. And apparently when you go to the bars, you make my wife look ugly. So it's honestly working.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Oh, I'm sorry.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
That's fair.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And then... Have you been watching his videos?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Because he also wakes up early, meditates, prays, journals.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
It's a looks thing. I always say when it comes to age gaps, looks matter.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
You don't answer your phone. I do not. A lot of people want your life. Let's just keep it real.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Does your therapist guilt you into therapy sometimes?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I really think Thursday is really good for all of us. I'm like, I guess we have to go to therapy this week.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And then we'll show up and I'm like, things have been, yeah, we're like, you know, busy, but good, you know?
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He's like, I'm seeing something here between the two of you. Yeah, what's going on here?
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And then Nick will be like. Now that you're telling me to do it, I don't want to do it. So, like, this feels forced.
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Do you like that? Is this good enough? Do you like this?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
I'll be honest with you. Which we've learned that like if we are going into couples therapy feeling pretty good about us, now we just
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Thank you.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
You fucked me on the lighting. You guys are gross.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Thank you.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Thank you.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Thank you very much.
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I think it's a look thing.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
How much more is a 70-year-old going to take advantage than a 40-year-old?
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Yeah.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
And so Victoria came in really pissed off at me.
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
You lost a viewer. You don't want to hear she's aged so gracefully?
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At what age are you just going to give up?
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No matter how you look?
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E907 - Temptation Island w/ Natalie, Victoria Fuller Returns, AFR, RHOA, White Lotus, and Garcelle’s Exit
Well, speaking of giving up, Garcelle has announced her exit from Beverly Hills Housewives. Really? Yeah.
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And she's coming on Bachelor in Paradise.
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She found out that she can get her hands on some fresh meat.
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She also does have like a lot of other work going on.
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Well, she, you know, it's like, yeah, she wants to spend more time with her family and her one son is in school. The other one's starting some career. She just wants to be present. I like that. I love that.
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Nick said, glow up. Next time you come back to this particular place, if there is a next time. Oh, my God. He's like, Ed, I will be the judge of that. Well, no, no, no. I'm just saying like, we'll just see if we're still here. Right, right. Because we are in Miami. On wheels. I promise you better lighting, you know, than you will like glow up, so to speak.
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I would be.
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You know what happened? His wife sent him a photo of the passport he forgot. On the kitchen counter. And kind of like, do you need this? Right? I mean, how else midair? That's exactly what happened.
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Do you think it was the pilot or co-pilot?
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Why can't he just not get into the country? Would they have flown back for anyone else who forgot their passport? No.
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I mean, I get he's the pilot, but who gives a fuck?
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Sierra, you're a movie buff. You saw it.
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I'm curious your opinion, because obviously, as everything else in this world, everything's been politicized, everything takes a side. But politics aside, when it comes to this movie, what did you think of this movie?
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Why did it suck?
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What's wrong with... They didn't have... I don't... They didn't want to pick the old songs?
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Does Gals sing? I didn't.
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No? Okay.
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Okay.
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Harsh.
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So you clapped and it was over because it was done.
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Yes. Please don't judge Victoria's face.
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Have you ever wanted to clap after sex because it was so bad, Victoria?
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Well, I'm just like, you know, the idea of like something being done and you clap and everyone's like, oh, we'll clap. And then you're like, well, it's because it's done.
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That's a great answer. Yeah. Like to be able to read that aloud. Yeah. Especially given all the things that you've done. Like definitely it wasn't an answer I was expecting. It was a cool moment.
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I completely relate to that as a dyslexic person.
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Yeah, there's like no rules maybe in an airport. Except there's a lot of rules.
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And time does matter because you do want to make your flight. But I suppose it is like you walk into an airport, you're kind of on vacation.
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So, how have you been? Like, obviously, crazy world these days. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Is everything safe, fire-wise?
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How have your family been able to heal over the years? Or if, I'm assuming they have.
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Well, I know it's obviously not easy to share, but thank you for opening up about that.
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And, you know, I was just curious too, obviously we're very excited to just be sitting here with you and talking with you and having you open up with us, but like, you're also not someone who does this a lot and gives a lot of interviews. And, you know, I was just kind of curious, like why now in terms of kind of your willingness to share a little bit more about yourself and open up.
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And we are very appreciative of that and excited to keep talking to you. But I think it's not lost with a lot of your fans, just how much you cherish your privacy and are reluctant to open up and share things like that.
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And she like flat out said it. It was your fault.
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We're releasing an episode by the time this comes out, and we're a little nervous about it. Natalie had a miscarriage a couple weeks. Oh my God. Yeah. But just hearing you speak, it's like it's... Yeah, it was tough, but like we didn't know what to do is like we wanted to share our experience. We do this for a living.
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And it was kind of like therapeutic for us just to, you know, we're just going to talk about it. And, you know, we decided to put it out there.
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knowing that like you know our intention obviously was one we wanted to memorialize our child and like you know hearing you talk about your dad like you don't want to forget you know and like when you don't have a chance to to meet your baby it's harder to connect you know as a dad and it's even harder and so you know and obviously we you know we we've heard a lot of stories about it and then so we wanted to share knowing that like a lot of people
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you know, it's like they feel very alone when it happens because no one really, you know, everyone's like, sorry, it happened. But like, Oh, anyways, like, you know, it's like an awkward thing. It's like, they don't really relate to it, but you know, we know I'm offline, you know, because like, I don't really give a shit what people say and I've gotten much better.
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And like, when I'm curious, I wanted to ask you is because you're right. Like the internet, it's an asshole. People are assholes, hurt people, hurt people. You've heard that phrase and that's just never going to go away. All we can do is,
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As humans or people or just anyone in the public eye or just hell, anyone who's like has a phone, you know, is like get better at just like removing yourself and not listening to the noise and the disruption and just feeling good about like whatever it is you put out. And I'm curious, like, have you gotten better at that? Just like.
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feeling good about whatever it is you're putting out there as a creator as an artist and and just say you know fuck it like your opinions whoever you are just it's none of my goddamn business because like you know they're always going to be assholes yeah yeah well on the creative side
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That's great. I mean, that's the best you can do.
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No, but obviously we love talking about relationships and love. And, you know, shit, I've got so many... exes and stories and things like that. But like, you know, it all came to like me being able to meet my wife, you know, all the, all the crazy, you know, heartbreaks and stories. And some of it has been on TV and some of it's not, but you know, you're very happily engaged now.
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Nice. Do you know all your Rising and all that other stuff?
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And like, how do you feel like what you have with your fiance? How has that shaped you? And what do you love best about your relationship with him?
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I love that you say that. I mean, now that I say that to each other all the time, you know, it's and I think clearly it's, I think what I've learned from my wife and,
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in my audience that safety is probably the number one thing women are looking for it's also i think something men really appreciate too that they don't talk about too it's just like you know when you i mean what is a serious relationship or a marriage you know an engagement if not to like have someone in your life that you can actually truly be yourself and be safe and be that vulnerable person
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And I think, yeah, when I was younger, like I would have been in love and I had great girlfriends, but like, I was like, I don't know, you know, it's like, you know, at times I felt loved, but like, I also felt like we competed, you know, I felt like we were at each other's throats, you know, I felt judged, you know, or I felt like ashamed to say something or do something.
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And yeah, it's, it's, it's nice to be able to find someone where, you know, you can open up and you can make each other feel safe. And like you said, it's, it's not something that comes very easily and that's something that, Happens over time.
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And it doesn't mean you don't have ups and downs and work through your own shit, but like there's a, I think with Natalie and I, you know, I'm curious if this is something that you relate to, but like, I feel like we both like give a shit about our relationship. We wake up every day and I feel her effort to make us work as much as I feel like I'm putting in the effort.
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And I think that's a very unique feeling in a relationship that a lot of people just kind of take for granted. When you're younger, it was just more like, oh my God, we're made for each other. And you meet and the first month's awesome. And you plan out your next 10 years of your life. And then you just start dating and hating each other.
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But like, yeah, we're very, you know, like when we feel a disconnect, like we're very quick to like someone points that out, you know, and that's something that I've never had in a relationship.
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He's like, I know everyone boobs. I get it. I understand. I'm not trying to pretend that doesn't happen, but we don't have to embrace it. Like some people really don't.
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It's like, you know, but you don't need to announce it. You don't need to know.
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Yeah, I like that. You're like, that's my speed, Bella.
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Listen, I think that's true. Yeah, I got a UTI. He's so. You know, like when you're a kid, you know, it's like, oh, go pee in the woods or something. It's not a big deal. Like no kid is like taking a shit.
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I mean, you are camping. You're going to get dirty.
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That's ritual.com slash V-I-A-L-L for 25% off. On this show, my audience is fascinated with alternative relationships. Is this a rumor? Is it true? Were you and Tana in a throuple, or was that just a rumor? No.
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It just sounds like a guy who's in like two different situationships with two girls and you all like are chill about it.
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Are you thinking big wedding, small wedding, a lope? Like you think you're going to go fairly big?
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We can talk about movies we watched when we were growing up. It'll be great.
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I made her watch Far and Away the other day with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. I thought she'd like it. You haven't seen it? It was awful. I'm shocked you didn't like it.
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Oh, Meet Joe Black. I love that movie. She hates it.
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Like, other than movies, are you guys, do you watch any reality TV? Oh, yeah.
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Where do you stand on Lisa Barlow? Are you a Lisa girl or are you like a bra-win Whitney girl?
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It's like what I love and hate about Housewives of the same time is like so many of the biggest fights can just be handled exactly how you describe which is like not my best moment. I definitely didn't mean it that way.
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And like, instead, it's like every fucking other excuse in the book. Like, well, a blogger fucking told me that you did this. And like, I would, you know. But it would be boring if they were like, I'm sorry.
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And when she gets upset, it's shaking. When Meredith loses her mind, it's the best because it's like she might pop. It's absolutely... And I love Mary.
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Angie Kay. Love Angie Kay. She's iconic. I'm obsessed with Mary.
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I will be very sad if she has a lesser role next season. Oh, yeah.
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I think Mary's... So real. I think Whitney's real. I think Angie Kay's real. And I think sometimes Lisa, like great TV. I would very much miss her if for some reason she left, but like, I would love her to be more.
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It's so good. You're one of many people who have told us that.
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You're one of many people who have said we need to start watching Potomac.
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Okay. We have a long list of shows we're watching. We have so many shows. We have every intention of getting it.
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Because like Temptation Island season one was like when I was in college and it's the same host.
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And they brought him, and they brought him, yeah, Mark, what's his name?
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Why hasn't it, like, yeah, we haven't, it hasn't gotten, what's it on, CW?
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You just need to come back and recap with us sometimes.
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I was told there's a story about three rings or three engagement rings. Is that my?
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No, seriously. I know because you were honestly back. I'm a bit older. So like when I was a kid, you didn't know about dyslexia or talk about dyslexia. And honestly, like if you found out you were dyslexic, you weren't you weren't telling people like that was something you definitely would have gotten picked on. And I wasn't until I was adult where I was like, why can I not read out loud very well?
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Uh, what, uh, what do you think's next for you and Mark and your future? And like, I guess, what are your, it sounds so like a interview question, like you're interviewing for a job, but like, you know, how do you, how do you see life unfolding for you in the next kind of chapter of your life?
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I can never figure it out because I was just like, I'm not stupid. So what age did you get diagnosed? Like in my 30s.
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I mean I started this show long before yeah I met and when I met her she was a surgical technician and I never envisioned like being able to work with her but like now that we are it's like it really is like it's awesome right you know it's like you feel like very lucky you feel more like a team and like you know like you said knock on wood but like we hopefully do a good job or of not getting sick of each other even though we spend all our time together but like
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Yeah, it really helps you feel more connected and to like, just, you know, she's always the first person I go to if I want to run something by an idea by her and just to know it's like her.
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It's like, it's just a great feeling and not, I think very few couples are, even very few happy couples and successful couples aren't able to be able to work with their partner like you and Mark and like I get to do with Natalie. And so I feel very lucky and I can hear it when you describe that with relationship with Mark. It's a very cool thing.
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yeah wow was it like somewhat ah yeah it was I didn't like it didn't really change anything I didn't like start I didn't take any dyslexic courses courses to help me like read better aloud honestly like I don't know if they have those I don't know if they do because like I would love because like a teleprompter is like a nightmare for me I'm like I'm like slow down please oh my god
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And then like, you just, you know, you both have your strengths and not necessarily weaknesses, but you play off, play off each other. Just even, you know, Natalie being on the show, like even in this interview, it's just like, this interview is different because I have my wife here with us and like, you know,
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when we talk about like, we have a lot of women guests and we talk about some sensitive issues. I always try my best to empathize, but like, it's a lot easier having my wife here who is also a woman and they can understand. And it's like, you know, just like just moments like that.
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It really makes you appreciate when you have someone who really, you really, that really feels like a partnership at that point, you know? And I'm sure there's been moments with you and Mark where like, you know, he stepped up where you felt like you needed someone to step up for you and vice versa. And those are always really great, great moments.
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Also, like Nellie said, it's like these transformative years in anyone's life. There's very few people who can relate to certain experiences. Exactly what you went through. Yeah, 100%. So it's nice to be able to at least keep that bond. Yeah, we'll always have that bond. Even if it is here and there. Yeah. Bella, this has been...
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Is there anything you wanted to put out, promote, share?
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But it does it like I felt a little seen not to sound corny, but it was just like I'm a big believer in like I don't like to like lean into my weaknesses, so to speak. But I think it's just nice to know what they are. So at least I just like be like, oh, like I don't have to make excuses for anything. I'm just dyslexic now. So it's just it's I don't lead with it. But like, yeah, like.
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Thanks for being so vulnerable and open and honest. Thank you for letting me.
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Well, thank you again. And thank you guys for listening. I hope you enjoy this episode. We'll see you back tomorrow.
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you could say on things so i was like oh that must be the tourists well i don't even honestly don't even know what they all are i always hear about the gemini's i know libras yeah i love gemini's my favorite sign what when is that um gemini is in may uh yeah we're ready i mean i still can we keep talking about horoscopes i'm kind of fascinated by uh bella welcome to the vilefowl
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Now I know why I have no idea how many vowels are in a word or why I have a hard time reading a teleprompter. No one else makes it look so easy and it looks so hard for me.
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It's actually, and also one of my favorite, after I found out, then people were telling me all the very talented, very successful people who are dyslexic. So many.
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No, it's like we were at like a kid's store and I like I bought her for me. I mean, I'll read it to her someday. But I'm like, you know, tell her about dad. Yeah. So you were I mean, many people are. Natalie has some horrific bullying stories.
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Every once in a while, Natalie will get like a DM from someone from like back home. And now you'd be like, yep. Heard from another bully, you know? Cause now that like Natalie's out here and. Yeah.
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Did you ever hear from any of your high school bullies who decided to forget that they were assholes to you and just remind you, like, oh, we used to go to school and be best friends?
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Yeah, it's one of my favorite things when Natalie reads me these messages.
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Love that. If you need to pop it off, we've got a whole bar. No one ever drinks it.
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It's good to get out, you know? I always love the, like, again, like it's always feels good to like rise above the shit that happens to you. And, and, um, yeah, like sometimes we'll just run into people when we go back home to her house and, you know, the different people who react to Natalie, it's like, especially when they're like, Oh, you made it or whatever. It's like, um,
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you know it sucks to hear but like like stories when she was picked on but you can definitely like when we run into some people like like one girl when it was in Thanksgiving you ran into a girl and she's like oh you really made it and the girl she was with was someone who like bullied you or didn't like and like she kept going and like I don't know it's
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I'm always proud of you when I see people like think like you made it out here or whatever. It's always fun.
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We do a lot of morning interviews, but you know.
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We did have someone come in and like rip shots at like 10 a.m. once.
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I definitely have a hard time enjoying any successes I've had with things I've done. I try to work on that. I mean, you've obviously had a very successful career. You've done a lot of amazing things despite having that feeling. Is there one thing that you've done that you are really proud of or that you're most proud of of all the cool things that you've accomplished?
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Sometimes it was like a coworker who like, there was a bit of a disconnect where I felt like I could just like unload my, you know, emotions on this. And they were just like, you know, they'd love to hear it. It'd be great. And then I would like exhaust them and that would find someone else to like also, you know, but there was no...
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There's no progress. There's no like you just kind of start. You forget. And I think sometimes even with therapy, if you don't have a good therapist, you can become connected to talking about the pain that you're experiencing with or like that becomes familiar, especially like heartbreak.
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You know, I always tell people just be careful because like sometimes missing them and and wishing you're with them is that last thing.
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part of the relationship you have to let go because like and you know when you really think it's over that's the scary part so you hold on to the pain because that's the thing that you have left and like sometimes a therapist who maybe isn't as good as they could be or you're not connecting with can you know keep you in that keep you in that and because there's so many different kinds of therapy and i've tried a lot of different ones and you know it's like some things are just a
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Through therapy, like what is something that you've kind of learned about yourself for the better? You know, where, you know, we've talked about obviously that maybe the challenges of therapy, but what's something maybe that when you've kind of discovered the whole idea of your inner child?
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I mean, I learned that the first time I, you know, I started in therapy when I was in COVID and it was more like I advocate for therapy. I'm doing okay. But like, you know.
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sitting at home might as well you know I felt like generally pretty good it wasn't like you know life is dark you know and then the first first session it was like how many brothers and sisters do you have tell me about your parents all this and just kind of just and I had a generally great childhood but like just understanding the premise yeah
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of that, you know, and why we do what we do, why we maybe sit in our emotions, why we act a certain way, you know, and then as you get older, you do like, as I get older at least, it's like that, what's that commercial, you grow up to be your parents and things like that, where it's just like, every once in a while I'll have this like feeling where I'm like, when did I become my dad?
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And then you learned about that and then you became more self-aware about like your triggers and like how your parents reacted to you and you're like, oh, holy shit, you know? And so what did you learn about yourself through kind of diving into therapy?
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What was that? And sometimes there's a disconnect. And I've had to learn as I've gotten older the difference between... I think sometimes we're afraid to empathize with people we don't understand or we're in conflict with because we feel like empathizing with them is justifying their actions. Yeah.
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Nowadays with me, I feel like my phone just decides to go on Do Not Disturb. Yeah. And then you just assume it's always on Do Not Disturb. And then you don't.
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But sometimes you can learn how to empathize, not to justify, explain, or let them off the hook, but at least just understand where they're coming from.
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Yeah. So much about this movie is like kind of that almost like a second storyline almost or theme maybe is a better word for it is like the found family, you know? Yeah. And, you know, sadly for people who don't have a healthy relationship with, you know, their parents or...
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relatives, obviously a lot of people in the LGBTQ community, like we'll have to, you know, feel like maybe their family isn't it for them. And what's that like for you? Do you have like a found family in LA and who are those people that you've really connected with and made like a new community with?
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Yeah, but that stick around part is the important part because, you know, the thing about family, you know, I have 10 siblings.
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The opposite. And I joke, I mean, getting a dog taught me something. And that is the difference between unconditional love and unconditional like.
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You know, where I was like, oh, I don't, my parents, they don't unconditionally like me, you know, like they unconditionally love me.
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Right. Like my dogs, everything I do is awesome to them. And my parents, it's just like, sometimes you're an asshole kind of thing. Right. And that's the nice thing about family is that you can just know, even though there's a disconnect or maybe your guys are
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bumping personalities that for a lot of people not always because obviously sometimes like with Lily's character it's it's very dark but you just you feel that sense of like I have a community I have people and with friendships I think sometimes people struggle with because especially like LA is a perfect example a lot of transplants a lot of people trying to make friends people will start hanging out they'll connect they'll have fun and
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I used to wake up to a sound tone of Tommy Boy with Chris Farley. Okay. When David Spade was knocking on the door. Oh my God.
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But then as you guys get to know each other, you see some of the cracks in each other. People make bad decisions. People make mistakes. And then sometimes instead of sticking around, there's more of a like, I don't want anything to do with this.
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loyal person but the truth is is like a lot of people just aren't you know what i'm saying a lot of people aren't like they're loyal to the degree that like as long as they their needs are served in a relationship they're good to go but when things get tough when someone's down bad and maybe they're down bad because of their own choices and mistakes you know but like the friends who may stick around have a tough conversation maybe maybe it's like you know you kind of
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Right, you know? So, but, like, that stick around part is always really important. And I... Yeah, it's just, like, I've... People love to call themselves loyal and... We gotta put them to the loyalty test.
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That was my alarm sound. And it was like just a really weird looking back. Everything that you have as an alarm sound becomes like a horrible memory where you're just like, ah, you know, but like back in the day when it came out, you're like, oh my God, like this is so cool. I know.
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Yeah, 100% major really to get outside say hi put them, you know Get out of their comfort zone interact with people, you know people I was like, how do I meet new people?
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shows that kind of like that balance between, again, like the climate that we're in today, right? Like the awareness of therapy. And again, there's that balance between understanding your childhood, understanding your trauma, understanding what happened and how that relates to you, but still being able to think outside of
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your needs right because a lot of therapy is very reflective right a lot of a lot of you know today's understanding you know the generational trauma and yada yada which i think can be great and very beneficial but like the the risk sometime is allowing that person almost to become a little selfish and self-centered and like only focusing on what has happened to them and why they've been wronged and why they've been victimized by the people around them
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And that can be both true and valid. But we have to remind ourselves that there's a whole world going on around us. You know, there's other people, our friends and strangers. Like that moment in the movie where Bob's talking to his wife and he's pointing out like Lily is this like you know, she's in the void screaming. She's screaming out of the void.
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No, it is sad. And he talks about how like, you know, she's getting no engagement and likes. And I think a lot of people in today's age would look at that and go, ew, weird. What's wrong with her? What's wrong with her?
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I was a psychopath that had the default setting on my screensaver until my wife.
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I mean, there's moments in that movie where Lily is kind of like giving a little crazy, you know?
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Now it's my family. Okay, cool. That's usually what it's for. Yeah.
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Yeah, all men kind of are a little psychopathy without a lady by their side. I agree. Just a little rough around the edges.
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We're so excited to be with you. Absolutely love the movie. Bob Trevino likes it. Thank you. It's awesome. I mean, it was, I cried several times. I did. Mostly like happy tears. Obviously, it's an emotional film.
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you know try it out and i mean it's it worked thank god yeah and it is taking off and it is i had no other plan so i was really like it's either this or uh i don't know cashier at the new jersey shop right when euphoria really like took off and things exploded was that what was that like you know just kind of to go from more of a normal life of you know working actor to
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Yeah. Like, ooh, hindsight is 20-20. Not a good idea.
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You know, there's movies now and then that you watch that kind of really make you especially in the times that we live in today, just like sometimes through sadness, you know, but like I think we're just living in this world where we're just constantly focused on ourselves and what we need and in our own world. And it's easy to think about how life gets us down.
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It really was that. Exactly that, right? And it really, like... And that's the thing. It's just, like, to your point, what's cool about shows like that or films or movies that, you know, kind of encapsulate an era, if you will, is that they do stand the test of time.
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You know, we'll go back and watch old 80s movies or 90s movies or, like, I grew up, you know, when Can't Hardly Wait came out when I was in high school. And, like, those... especially at least for the people who grew up with them, they always hold a special place in your heart. Right.
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And so like euphoria for a lot of people, but especially people who connected with that era, it will live on in ways that I think other shows or films don't. And that's a, that's incredible. I mean, I,
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And I think, you know, Bob Trevino likes it about, you know, Lily and the character who, you know, really had no one. And then this bond between these characters makes you appreciate... It reminds you that you sometimes have to look up a little bit and see maybe people in need and things like that. One thing Natalie really helped me with when we met is I could be on my phone in my own world.
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either being somewhat douchey, weird, or coming across like your, you know, there's always like, are you hiding something or are you showing, there's just no way. It's a trap. It's an absolute trap. It's an absolute trap. So it's just like.
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But to your point, are they choosing it because it represents them or are they choosing it because it's like, well, I would like to play something different today. I know.
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You had decided to leave Euphoria and talked about how you just felt like Kat, the character, her story was told. Yeah.
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You don't see a lot of that from actors, obviously, regardless of the success of the show, you know, and then sometimes as fans, we will watch shows where, you know, the whole jumping the shark, you know, idea or like, you know, sometimes like for me, it's just like Dexter ended after season four, you know, it's like we just.
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But for you to decide, regardless of what is going to happen with Euphoria, for you to decide that must have been a difficult choice. And how did you make that decision and how have you felt about it since then?
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Was there anything in particular that that you read that felt the most kind of offensive or egregious?
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Well, you know, you know. Yeah, sometimes I'm like, oh, wow. Yeah, well, you know, you give them a hundred guesses sometimes.
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Just like Natalie... would always say hi to a cashier greeter or a barista and things like that, you know?
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You know, I think sometimes fans, I always remind myself that fan is short for fanatic, you know, not that I don't, you want to appreciate fans, but you also, and that's why it's important for at least, you know, Natalie and I are always kind of talking or it's like, listen, like we just, we don't, it's not our business, you know, type of thing because like,
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You want to have that relationship, but you want to give them the freedom to be fans because part of being a fan is just like talking with your friends and having these theories, right?
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Exactly. They don't even believe it half the time. And like, they're not, they're not, you know, it's like that classic case of someone like write something meaning your comments. And then like you decided for whatever reason to like, like it or respond, whatever reason. And they're like, Oh, oh my God, I'm just kidding. I love you. You're the best.
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Which I've gotten better at. Yeah. But, like, I feel like this movie, in a weird way, kind of just reminds you to, like, connect with people, you know? But it's just such a beautiful movie.
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He's such a unique person, like you said. His story was fascinating.
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You like to cook? I do like to cook. I love to cook. I'm the cooker in the family.
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So we do a good job of separating chores. Oh, I love that.
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Young me was like, love is enough and I can just power through anything. Dishwasher. You know, it's just like, you can have a completely different menu and we can have different tastes and everything. No. If we love each other enough. Being in a relationship with Natalie more than anything has taught me relationships are hard enough. Every day can't be a battle. Picking what you want to eat.
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Who does what. I'm allergic to laundry. Natalie loves it. Natalie's allergic to doing bad dishes. I can do dishes. I love to cook. I won't even let her cook sometimes. I don't let anyone cook. I'm more like, you're doing it wrong. Move, move.
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What's your favorite? Do you have like a go-to?
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I love a thigh because most people go breast. No. And it's just like dark meat, you know.
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I mean, like when I was, you know, in my single days and there was a lot of, a lot of years, I was like the single serving guy, you know, I'd go to the grocery store every day and I'd find like things that like would make sense. Like that's when I got into, that's when I discovered the joy of an English muffin. because I could also like make a burger and then use it as a bun.
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But like, you know, before as a single serving guy, if you just buy like a bag of buns, like you use one bun and it goes bad, but an English muffin you can put in the fridge, it keeps a little longer. And I would have all these like single serving tricks. Yeah. Like, and it was just like, but also kind of depressing that I figured out how to like,
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Before we started recording, we were talking about our daughter and you mentioned, oh, I just want a baby. I want a baby. Is that something that in the future you hope?
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What love and dating relationships are we in a season of like independence? Are we dating around? We're in a single era.
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You got to put another quarter in. Yeah, yeah.
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Are psychics... Like, they make me nervous. They make me nervous. I do not want to know when I'm going to die. They're not going to tell you that, but yes. Maybe they would. But again, there's something about psychics where it's just like, I don't... You...
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My sister has twins. Her sister has twins. I still don't know how twins work.
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But I don't think it has anything to do with the guy, right?
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Well, yeah, but usually there's a lot of those.
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Yeah, but there either has to be one egg or one... I don't know. There can be two eggs. I've never really had anyone explain this to me.
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Yeah, no, it's an emotional film, but very uplifting and obviously peaks and valleys of some sadness. But it always has a very inspirational movie. I mean, it was really touching. And like you said, you don't see a lot of films nowadays like that.
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In your single era, having dated before, I'm assuming. Yes, I have. What's something that you've, through previous experiences, have learned that maybe things have lacked that you really are looking for whenever that happens for you next?
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And what's something that, while things maybe didn't work out in the past with whoever, you still really enjoyed and appreciate that aspect of the relationship that you hope to carry forward?
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When did you learn that? Because that's like a huge step in like just adult.
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That's such a huge step. I mean, I'll ask people all the time to call. if I have a friend who's asking or someone calls in and they'll be like, you know, I want to talk to you about this. I'm like, well, how do you, what do you like about how they make you feel? It's always my favorite question.
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Because sometimes or often there's always like this, oh, um, well, uh, oh, I never thought about how it, how they make me feel. I was more thought about like, why don't, why haven't they texted me back? Or why aren't they calling? Or like, why are they being flaky on me? Like, why are they treating, like, why are they acting this way?
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And then immediately there's a thought of like, I'm doing something wrong. What could I do differently? And things like that. But like, it was funny that you just said not to, you know, moments ago where you realize that you're not for everyone. And like, to me, like that, again, another like huge pivotal, like, at least for me, it was that like, No one is, by the way.
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But that's the person who is people pleasing, who hasn't really realized who they are as a person and not even comfortable to be that person. You have to allow, whether it's dating, whether it's friendship, whether it's just like being an adult in society, is having the guts to be who you are and have people not like you.
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Or not wrong. You just did something and it just wasn't for them. They don't vibe with you. There's so many people out there who are just like, not my cup of tea. And that's totally fine.
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I don't want to do all that anymore. Do you find it to be easy or more difficult to date in the industry or outside of the industry?
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It's tough, right? Like, you know, like me, younger me was more like what I wanted was somebody and I wanted somebody who wanted me. And that was kind of the baseline for most people who wants to be with me. Sure. And then, and then you get older and you have relationships and heartbreak, you break up.
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And then you, that, that transitional period of knowing what you want for yourself, knowing, and then what you want to give to someone else and then having the patience to wait around for it. Yeah. Like it's, the patience is hard. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's a, I had to figure out, there was a point before I met Natalie where when I was in my twenties, it was, you know, my parents were good role models, but the problem, sometimes the problem I have with good role models is like my parents tell me love is important and you have to fight for it. So it was like, oh, okay, well then I'll just fight for this, you know, kind of thing, you know?
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So then, and then I got older and I was like, okay, you know, I finally figured out who I was in my late twenties, early thirties, and then took some risks and, and, and had a, you know, did reality TV. And that was all kind of weird. But then, you know, so then I had this stint of reality TV and this controlled environment where they almost like make you feel like you're young again.
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And it's all about these emotions. And then, so then I was dating, it was more like I honestly, like, there was a point where in my 30s, I was honestly worried, and I thought to myself, do I just need to pick somebody?
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Do, like, you know, like, you'll do. Anybody. You know, like, we get along.
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You seem nice enough. Yeah. You're obviously beautiful, but, like, there was a part of me that was like, am I too cynical? Am I looking for flaws? Am I looking, you know, and finding that balance between... The person who like knows who they are, uh, and is, can be patient, but, or, or, or am I looking for problems? Am I being avoidant or things like that? And I, and I really struggle with that.
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And I, I mean, I remember having those, I remember I saying to my therapist, like, do I just need to do this? Like, because, because I was afraid I wasn't going to fall in love because like when I was younger, you're just like, oh, I just, I don't know what this feeling is. I think we should date, you know? Right.
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And I couldn't replicate that feeling unless I was in this controlled environment on a TV show. And I was like, you're looking for that thing.
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Yeah, no one's like, I broke up with them on the exact perfect day at the right time. You're always going to wonder one way or the other. You just kind of have to trust.
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If I feel bad now, but like, is this the norm? Yeah. Or is this something that is happening now, but like...
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You know, the normal feeling with this person or this relationship generally brings me joy and happiness. But right now, you know, I need a fix. Which happens.
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A lot of people, it's more the opposite. It's just like, you know, you ask them and they're like, I've been miserable for three years. Yeah. You know?
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It's incredible. Our friend, friend show ran that.
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Do you have like, what are you going to knit when you really feel like you've got it down?
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and you didn't watch tv yeah okay yeah my my grandmother phyllis still with us was a she would i used to live with like one time uh my then girlfriend at the time broke up and i was in my uh we were engaged actually but like uh so we were living together had to move out well i had to move out i wanted to get the fuck out of there of course uh and then my grandmother who i only refer to as phyllis because when i was born she was like 50 and she's like i'm not ready to be a grandmother i love that um
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And she lived downtown where, you know, the city I lived in. And I was like, I need to get the fuck out of here. So I like, I like had to shame, shamefully what felt at the time, like live with my grandma, which ended up being like a great time because she's a night owl. And she, I would go out to the bar to hang out with my friends and come back. It'd be like two in the morning.
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She's up knitting, watching TV. And then we would like download the night, you know, and I would talk about like my nights and things like that. And it ended up being like just a very memorable experience.
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What is next for you? Like what in the perfect world? Do you have a dream job, a dream type of film or even maybe a particular actor out there that you've always kind of maybe fascinated or dreamt about working with?
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We'll see. Well, Barbie, this has been so much fun. Thank you for having me. This is so sweet. You're so fun to talk to. Thank you. I really appreciate it. I could keep going, but I know you have to get going. Listen, she's busy. Thank you for taking the time. This has been so much fun. Congratulations on a very beautiful movie. Thank you. Everyone, check it out. Bob Trevino likes it.
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Check it out. It's a really, it's a great friend film. It's a great film. You go with your family. It, you know, you will be emotional, but like it really, most of my other work is not very family friendly.
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Very friendly. You will, you will want to watch, you will see this film and you will want to connect with people afterwards. And I think that's a very beautiful thing that we all need today.
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So much fun to have with you. See you guys tomorrow. Bye.
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Yeah, I think, to your point, a lot of times when you have, like, a complex character, and obviously Lily is, there's always, like, this... You know, like the good angel, dark angel kind of like there's always like what's behind the curtain where Lily was like this unbelievably emotionally resilient, uplifted person. Yeah.
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All these scenes were like you would expect like this absolute crash, you know, from her. But she just kept finding new ways to like pick herself back up. Damn.
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was like really inspiring but also like how when you're performing and playing a character like that there are just a lot of heavy scenes you know where you really had to give you know emotionally like how do you do stuff like that was that taxing on you emotionally you know as an actor are you able to dip in and dip out of these characters do you have to kind of sit in it you know if you're doing one of these scenes that maybe might require a few takes and things like that like what is that like and how do you perform because it truly like
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The scene, not to give too much away, where Lily's therapist cries. Yes. I saw an interview. You mentioned that your first therapy session.
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Was that in the script originally? Yes. It was.
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Wow. Yeah, like a couple years ago. How did you deal with something like that?
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Well, it very much is. And I always remind people too. It's just like, you know, like, not all doctors are created equal, not all mechanics are created equal or therapists and, you know, like, because therapy has become in the best possible way so normalized, now there's kind of this increase of, you know, new therapists and you kind of, you have to weed through.
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Or also, you do have to kind of check in with yourself, just like in dating, where, you know, we have a format. It's called Ask Nick. People call in and ask, like, relationship questions. I'm always like, I'm not a therapist, but here's what I think. And lots of times, you know, the people who call in are in therapy. I'm like, well, what does your therapist think about this?
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And sometimes it's just like, well, we've been talking about this for, like, two years. And it's just like, well... I'm not here to tell you not to, like, but, like, have you made progress? Or, like, have you, you know, like, have they asked you this or that? And, you know, and, like, sometimes you have to ask, like, where have I gotten with this topic? Or why haven't I explored something else?
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Because, like, you know, it is nice to talk about your feelings, but, like, sometimes... You want the progress. Yeah. When you have friends, you know, like I used to be that person when I was going through heartbreaks where I would just like, I would find that one or two person in my life, that friend, it was usually like a woman friend.
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Well, let's see. I don't know if you... You probably don't remember. We met once.
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Like it's such a grind to keep going and wake up every day, especially once you like have that success, you have that music that's out that people are loving and performing.
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And I can see how like without getting away or stepping back, it almost like every day it almost takes away a little bit of the artistry part of the music where it's just like you're just showing up and you're singing and it just, you know, you know what I'm saying? For sure.
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you almost have to reset, you know, sometimes because it's almost, you know, becomes that mundane feeling, you know, or just connecting with family and friends, like finding your inspiration, you know, almost feels like, and whether it's, I hear that, you know, I'm a big sports fan.
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So even with like, you know, athletes, sometimes like the more success they have, the bigger contracts, they, they kind of lose what motivated them in the beginning, you know, and to kind of get away from it almost seems to bring you back to that, that spot.
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well it's we're recording this on valentine's day yes thank you guys for spending it with me by the way this is a dream of ours well in the album love and hyperbole i mean is it a coincidence that it dropped on valentine's day an album that seems to be very centered around love relationships and just romance in general or is that just a huge coincidence
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What are your opinions on Valentine's Day? Is it like a holiday you generally love? Or have you had Valentine's Day where you're like, it's just like a hallmark holiday? Are you kind of a romantic or more of a cynic?
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One time I wrote you a hundred reasons why I love you. Was that for Valentine's Day or your birthday or what?
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I'm always fascinated with the idea of the confidence and self-belief in this idea that why not me? I can kind of do anything. And then that feeling of imposter syndrome sometimes, of doubting yourself, of... you know, like you're just talking about being nervous, right?
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Your smile. You. That's really nice. What are your love languages? She's all of them.
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But she also loves to give gifts as much as she loves to receive them. Like gifts really is a love language for her where she gets excited or like that's on the bottom for me. Like I don't do like gifts. I'm even receiving them. I'm like... Yay. And then, you know, giving them like, if I have an idea, it's great. I can really get into it.
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But like, it's not something Natalie, she'll be, you know, it'll be three months out from whatever moment. And, you know, Natalie loves a surprise. You know, she's like, do you want to know what I got you? I've learned that means I'm supposed to start guessing. She's, you should guess, you know, like things like that.
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where like I'll be like oh shit Valentine's Day is two days away I need to order flowers or something like that so it doesn't come naturally to me I'm definitely like an acts of service like that's how I love to show love and then quality time for sure words of affirmation I'd probably are my top three
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I wouldn't mind any of them. Yeah. It's not like any of them are like, ooh, that gives me the ick. It's just more like I think some come naturally for us than others. Right. Yeah.
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You mentioned on this album that there's a little bit of storytelling in your own personal love life, Deadman being one of them. And it almost, we were all three talking about it before we came in. It almost feels like the album is in some kind of order where it almost kind of starts out a little like sad.
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and a little heavy and you're, and you're talking about difficult challenges in relationships. Um, is that, is there accuracy to that where, and then it kind of progresses to a more like independent, like screw it. I'm out there having fun. And then a little bit, and then back to like connecting with love.
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Dead Man, for me, I don't know, again, I would be curious, like, what your inspiration, but before I was lucky enough to meet Natalie and fall in love, like, even my time shitting on reality TV as a bachelor, but even before that, like, in my 20s, I, you know, I had great role models as parents in terms of love. In a way, like, both wonderful, but in a bad way sometimes.
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And what I mean by that is, like, My parents always taught me like love is really special, right? And you have to fight for it. And I think as a young man, that fight for it part, I really didn't know how to actually like, didn't really know what that meant, right?
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So when I was in relationships younger, I wasn't really willing to look at, is this the right relationship or is this the healthy relationship? And so, you know, I knew I was taught love is special. You have to fight for it. You have ups and downs. So when I was in relationships early in life, I wouldn't be open to the possibility that while this may be as good, it's not as great as it could be.
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And as much as we might love each other, maybe we're not compatible enough. And it almost felt like Den Man was, it felt like I was hearing you talk about having a hard time letting go to something or not feeling appreciated. And I feel like there's a lot of people out there in relationships where they feel like they're doing 100% of their half and like 40% of their partner's half.
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And is there anything about that song that kind of connects with that mindset where you're just... you feel like you're, you almost wake up one day and realize, why am I doing all of this and not getting enough in return?
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And, but having a hard time letting go of, and maybe saying goodbye to something that you maybe at one point said, this is going to be my forever, you know, and I need to fight for this. I need to invest in this. And I really need to protect this relationship and figuring out, should I do that? Or maybe there's something else out there for me.
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And it's so tough, right? In real time to figure out what that is, because you don't want to go into a relationship like a tit for tat, like, well, I'll do this for you and immediately expect something in return. You have to kind of go in doing things out of love, not expecting anything, but every once in a while you have to learn to check in.
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with yourself and with the relationship and go, do I feel loved? One of our shows, people will call it and ask for relationship advice. And one of my favorite questions is like, well, how do you feel loved in this relationship? Or like, what do you love about this relationship? How does your partner make you feel?
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And it's fascinating asking that question to people who are like on the fence about things to actually think about it. Because You know, so many times, especially when we're young, we meet someone, we get excited, we fall in love, we should date, I love you, let's be boyfriend and girlfriend, let's be together.
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And then all of a sudden you're just like, sometimes playing house or like you're so much your relationship was based off the excitement of how you meant. And then you don't really, it's almost as if people stop connecting and falling in love once they decide to be in a relationship. Yeah. And then they have that honeymoon phase.
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And next thing you know, it's like you wake up one day and you're bickering over stupid things. Or you feel like you've been maybe giving a little bit more than you're receiving. And yeah, growing up and falling in love, it's that trial and error. I always think love is this really passionate, crazy, wonderful thing that's so intense.
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And we try to do it at an early age, even before we're technically adults. What if we got into a Ferrari without knowing how to drive it? You know, that's kind of like what getting into a relationship is when you're young and you just like kind of sometimes have to crash and burn and like pick up the pieces and try again, you know, and it's, it's been, I mean, ups and downs for me.
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Yeah, we talk about that a lot too, where it's just, you know, I'm a little older than Natalie and I was just like, and I've had a handful of relationships that didn't work out. And I was just like, you know, you're my first partner I have where I don't feel like we compete in a way where I told that to my therapist once.
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And she's like, yeah, I used to fight with my ex-husband over like who had a worse day. You know what I'm saying? Like sometimes you have those people where it's like, oh, yeah, it's like, well, I had an even worse day.
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Like, you know, and it's just like, but I took that for granted. And back to like thinking love's hard or you have to have hard work where it's just like I had past partners were like we had nothing in common.
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Like everything was a debate, whether it was what we wanted to eat, what we wanted to watch, you know, what we wanted to do. And it's like, yes. When people will say like, all you need is love. And I'm like, I don't know. Like you need a lot more. It's so much easier. It's also just a lot easier if you wake up and go, should we do this?
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And the other person's like, yeah, that sounds like a lot of fun, you know, because there's so many differences between Nellie and I, but like, I've never had a partner where like every day is in a struggle figuring out the daily routinely things. And that is something that I learned. I took away for granted in relationships because I wanted to romanticize. And like I said, I had that.
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these these wonderful parents who are in love as role models and like kind of in different versions we're all like if we're not suffering through it like maybe it's my like catholic upbringing and like you know that shame of like suffering is good like you know and figuring out like well do i really need to feel this way to be in love you know and like it really can be a lot easier
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if you're willing to wait for that right person and who kind of wakes up and feels like every day they're willing to choose and fight for this relationship, but not fight in a like, I got to fight to save it, but like, I got to protect it. I want to wake up and connect with my partner in a lot of ways.
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And I always get fascinated by the fan bases and the relationships that the people we get to interview have. And each fan base, like, you know, fan, I always remind myself is like short for fanatic. And we're like, we love our, even, you know, people who listen to our show. I'm so grateful for our fans and the people who listen. But sometimes it can feel overwhelming.
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Sometimes our fans want a lot from us, want our vulnerability, want us to share more than maybe we're comfortable with. There's toxicity in fan bases and things like that. How do you balance that relationship with your fan bases? Not only just your fan bases, but just in the music in general, because I have found that the music industry, they ride for their people. And sometimes that will mean
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Knocking someone else down. And how do you manage that? Because you've had to experience stuff in the past with some really cool moments in your career being almost overshadowed by fans, maybe with the best of intentions, kind of not being as nice as they could be.
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Like you almost started believing some of the things that they were saying and almost like, like it felt wrong to appreciate the, from a career standpoint, like it must've been, I mean, I fantasized about winning awards. I like, you know, I wouldn't even be in a position to win because I don't have the ability to win them.
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Here you are winning a Grammy and to not be able to really soak in that moment is, It's sad.
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It's tough, yeah, because the internet, man, when the internet comes for you, it feels so overwhelming.
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Yeah. Natalie is well more versed in music in general. Like it's a much more her thing. Well, not even that, like she can listen to a song once or twice and know all the words to a song. Like she really connects with the lyrics. Like it's really impressive.
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And I'm definitely more of like, you know, top forties where it's just like, once it goes, you know, cause I think there are different types of music fans, right. You know, like to your point where it's just like, you'll have fans that are like, they're, they're there from the ground up. They are waiting for any type of preview, any type of early release or drop.
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And then there's fans like me, when it becomes more mainstream and I start listening to it. And I think the music business is more tailored to that. So when you're winning that Best New Artist, there's probably a lot of fans who have been enjoying the music for a while, have been listening, or have been paying attention. And to them, it doesn't feel new.
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But to the... The majority, the masses. Yeah, it's best new art. It's like, yeah, she's new. I just started hearing this. I really started just enjoying her music. And so it is kind of fascinating that way.
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Mine too. I was definitely very nervous and I didn't really, I didn't never been on a stage before, like wearing an earpiece. Like it's really kind of fascinating, like how much you can't like hear the crowd.
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We saw online last night you performed, was it a couple nights ago or was it last night?
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Was that your first live performance in a while?
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In terms of recording in the studio versus recording live in front of a crowd, do you have a preference?
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And more excitement than nerves surrounding that?
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Do you have any like pre-show rituals that you used to do or...
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And just knowing that it meant a lot to other people is like, do you have, have you fantasized about any other collab that you would want to do or you just kind of leave it open to the, to the universe, to the universe?
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like stevie nicks would be like this is like shooting for the stars like stevie nicks stevie wonder all the stevies i love both stevie nicks could be i can see you yeah the voices would be fun i love her yeah she's an idol of mine that would be so cool and when you were working with john do you guys talk about you know because you wrote this album he obviously does a lot of writing for his stuff do you guys not only talk about just the music in general but the writing process
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You mentioned Obvious as one of your favorites on the album. What are some of the other ones that you've gone back to and it really connects with you? You must love them all, but do you have ones that are at the top?
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Were you a guest host on RuPaul's Drag Race? Yes.
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Are you a fan of the show? I am. Our audience loves pop culture, reality TV.
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Oh, you do? Yeah, I do. Can we ask what are some of your favorites?
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Do you think like the idea, like Love is Blind, the idea of falling in love with someone Behind a screen.
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The most awkward moment of that show is when they propose and they're like, it's usually the woman standing there behind, like facing a screen. I can't. I actually can't. It's ridiculous, but I love it. I feel so uncomfortable.
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I don't think it's even that long. We got lucky enough to, we went and visited the set where they film the pods. And we like, uh, our, our daughter was like, two or three months at a time. And we did the reveal walkout. We kind of pretended. That's a long walk, too.
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I get why. Remember, was it Chelsea when she ran?
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Because you don't realize how far it's going to go.
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There is. Having not done Love is Blind, but you're surprised just how quickly you kind of forget about cameras and things like that. Really?
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It's such an intense environment, you know? Yeah. And like you really, if you are one of those people who like connects with someone, they do a good job of creating these environments that like make you think you have nothing else going on but this connection and you really have to protect it. And you just, you kind of,
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you're really immersed into like an experiment it's really fascinating that's very strange wow interesting in another life because i know obviously you have your career you have a relationship you're very happy about but like in another life if if there's a reality tv show concept that you think it would be fun to do if you were just like a contestant what what would what would that be
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It's really good. Everyone knows it's a game, but there is a lot of very a la Survivor where you have to be manipulative.
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And it's this weird thing where you're like, I know it's only a game, but you're really good at that. And like, I think you can tell some characters are more nervous about playing the game than others.
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Survivor, I don't think, I'm too picky of an eater.
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I think eating is literally a love language of mine. I can be, I am particular, but the things I enjoy eating, like I love tasting food, you know, and like I need to enjoy eating. Like I can't just eat for the sake of getting like calories. Yeah, you have to enjoy it. It like mentally affects me if I'm not enjoying food.
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Jingle Ball, 2016. I do remember this. I introduced you.
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Nothing is as embarrassing as going on reality TV and taking risks and having that be on. Yeah.
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You know, Alessia gets to be like, are you, you know, I was 18. I'm like, I was 30.
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I mean, I thought you were great. I'm a little older, so like a movie that made me connect with those reality TV moments is a movie called Swingers. Do you remember that? Swingers, yes. And there's that That scene where he meets the girl at the bar, he gets home and he calls her and leaves her a voice note. And he's just like going, he's heartbroken over his other girlfriend.
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And so then he calls her again and leaves another voicemail and kind of just spirals. And then she finally answers and she's like, don't ever call me again. Like being on reality TV sometimes feels like I was in a scene like that, you know. But it's real. Yeah. Yeah.
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Cause I think when it comes to love or relationships, I mean, I think we kind of easily forget, but like there, you know, if, if you've ever been heartbroken or if you've really gone through it, there's times where you remember where you're just like, I was like doing that or thinking that, or like, I was really not my best self. Like, you know, it is tough to watch your vulnerability back.
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I'm just glad I have a wife that has no interest in watching it.
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It's wild. Yeah. I was like, I couldn't hear you. You almost like couldn't hear yourself talking unless you're talking to the mic. It was a little trippy, but yeah.
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Just to wrap things up, obviously when, you know, we leave here, it's Valentine's day, but I always love, you know, the saying celebrities are just like us, but like when, other than obviously you mentioned reality TV, but what are your comforts in life when you are not making music, when you're not working, what are the things that, you know, the normal things that you really enjoy doing that kind of make you feel like home, make you feel connected, just like really give you peace of mind.
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I'm the opposite. It can be 95 degrees. I'm getting a hot coffee. Really?
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I love that. I know you have to go, but I just want to congratulate you on the new release, the new album, Love and Hyperbole, out Valentine's Day. But when this comes out, it'll be out available for people.
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Thank you for taking the time. Congratulations on the album, all the success. It's really exciting for you. It's a beautiful album. We really enjoy it. Thank you. And I know your fans will as well. So I really appreciate it. And thank you for your time.
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Thank you guys for listening. I hope you enjoyed this. Check out the album and we will see you tomorrow.
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You know, it's like we have a one year old daughter. So like as parents were, you know, I'm very excited about her getting older and fantasizing about what she might enjoy and do. And I mean, it's funny. I remember this. I love my parents. I had a great childhood and they gave me so many things. But there was a conversation I'll never forget with my dad. And I remember like lying in bed.
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I don't know how old I was, five, six, seven years old. And he was kind of asking me what I wanted to do when I grew up. And I think I might've said something like, I want to be a professional athlete or something like that. And I remember my dad kind of saying kind of, it was basically kind of like, well, that's really cool. But like, I don't know, like, you know, professional athlete.
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It was almost like, and I get it where he was coming from. It was like, you know, that balance as a parent being between like, again, like believing in your kid, but also trying to set your child up for success and having reasonable goals. And like, I imagine your parents, you're like, yeah, I want to, I want to be an artist, you know, I want to sing. And it's kind of like, yeah,
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It's sometimes those big moments, like whatever it is, like for you, your big deal. I remember when I was asked to be the bachelor and I thought that was kind of surreal or when we found out
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Natalie was pregnant like always like these surreal moments where maybe you've thought about them in the past or you fantasize about them and then it happens and then there's like that gap between like you know when we found out Natalie was pregnant and then it's like all right well what should we get for dinner you know like there's some really exciting news you kind of go back to life where I imagine you signed a deal and it's like you're not you know making music yet and like there's all these things and like there's this huge excitement around it and then like you're like
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okay, well, when does it start? You know, almost like that feeling.
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Well, Alessia, welcome to The Vile Files. Excited to be with you.
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Congratulations, obviously, on your release. Happy Valentine's Day.
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You know, you've over the past few years, you've been kind of laying low a little bit. And now with this new album coming out, do you feel like you're kind of embarking on a new chapter or is it not that deep? And what was part of the reason for like laying kind of low?
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I think there was a lot, a lot of your fans out there were, you know, kind of really starving for like new music and really excited. Did you feel that pressure? And yeah, kind of where, how do you see this chapter of your life in your career?
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Happy Valentine's Day. Love and Hyperbole out today. Yes.
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There were moments of maybe deciding to hang it up, so to speak, and do something else in between?
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On stage. I do remember that. This is very cool. I've never introduced an artist before.
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Yeah. Did you get as far as, like, thinking about what you would do?
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that time apart like you are in the creative space you're an artist but like you said the music industry or just entertainment in general has that business side which I think for any creative person it's a conflict of interest it almost feels like right and it's just
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It feels like, yeah, I feel like that's how things start in good faith.
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But it's also a fine line, though, too, right? What? Devil's in the details. You're a lawyer. You know that, right? Yeah. It's just like if it doesn't, unless it happens on camera, we don't care about it. Well, it.
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Yeah. Like TJ for sure. Well, I think when he said, because TJ's talks, we can get into TJ, but I think they both have their flaws.
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And this is the thing that Maddie was really upset about in the beginning of the reunion. Yes.
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Whose expectations are you trying to meet? My own. Okay.
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I imagine you also didn't want to talk about something.
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We just ask that question a lot. It's a fun, loaded question. It's interpreted however you want to interpret it.
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So I guess where where would you like? I mean, it sounds like you kind of came in with like I've been in your position before in the sense that I had been nervous about an appearance and maybe an anticipated appearance where I felt like I needed to maybe address or at least wanted to address certain things. And I kind of like replayed that conversation over and over and over in my mind.
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Can I come to Will's defense for that? It's just like, I'm a dick to some people and nice to others. Just because I don't like you or whoever you are... Doesn't mean I haven't been nice to other people.
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It's just funny when one person decides, like, how the world treats me is how, I guess, apparently.
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and things like that. So to that end, what are the things that you hope when we get done here, what are some points that you hope to at least address and cover?
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So how did you end up in the show in the first place?
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I mean, for the critics who are listening to this now and saying, well, why didn't you just go to the reunion and plead your case there with all your peers and give them a chance to respond and yada yada, what would you say to that?
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Is that how you guys started dating or did you find out like after the fact?
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And it almost sounds like you're not even sure if you even have the opportunity to come back if you wanted to. But if you did... Where do you stand if you were given the opportunity to put water on the bridge and come back to season four, even though you didn't show up?
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Yeah, no, you're definitely, I think, you're the exception, not the rule if you are in a relationship.
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I mean, Spencer and Heidi might be the only couple that's really made it. Amanda and Kyle. And they've gone through the ringer. And honestly, I don't know how they make it.
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but uh that's super weird I mean listen I get it like people cheat there's rumors circulating about all types of people blah blah blah blah blah and like it's like the age old question right like if you have a friend and you've heard a rumor about infidelity between you know two people who are dating like do you say something or do you not say something, right? That's always like a debate, right?
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And like, unless it's like cold, hard evidence, you walked in on it.
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My point is like, it's not even like, you know, there's a lot of opinions about whether you should say something or not for the, for the people who would argue, right?
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right but for the people who say you know you should say something and i think there's a time and a place where like you know what i think the truth needs to prevail fucking just put it out there it might not be received well it might you might burn some bridges by you just speaking your truth but like sometimes maybe the truth needs to get out but there's a difference between doing that and like fucking making it your fucking mission and your whole life and becoming invested in the story and like making sure that whoever you tell believes you it's just like wait what what
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it's crazy like how do you who gives a fuck well then it's like who are you other than the fact that you've attached yourself to this and it just becomes really weird and people do i mean brad's not the first person in the world he won't be the last either their whole existence about like making sure other people believe some kind of rumor that has nothing to do with them i don't know why yeah that's also not true and has never had a single receipt
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Even if they did come to you. I'm just saying. The difference between asking a question and being like, hey, babe, what's up?
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Oh, and the girls were laughing. Oh, my fucking God.
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I kind of, to be honest, keep forgetting who Mia and Grace are. Oh, my God. Grace is iconic, though. Grace is iconic. I don't know if I'm going to let that one slip. Maybe she is. I just don't.
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Maybe I'm just going back here, but the scene where you got really upset and maybe about you didn't take shifts.
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It seems like you guys have been the center or at least part of the drama of the cast and Sometimes it feels like maybe the drama makes sense or maybe like you say something you shouldn't say or yada, yada, yada. Or sometimes it does feel like maybe like you guys are like just like a target of the rest of the group. It does feel like sometimes.
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And the big alleged crime that you may be getting commissioned? No, I'm not. Yeah, using her affiliates link was the thing. Oh, I might just be getting commissioned off of... That would have been a good idea. I mean, like, I don't see him seem stupid if you didn't.
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Your friend should have been like, girl, get your fucking bag.
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But that's all the more reason why I would have the exact response that you have, which would have been like, I don't know and I don't care, but like, huh?
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And if you don't come back, she's going to be... Fighting on her own. Brad's going to be like, you said I was evil.
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Were you worried about your peers making fun of you for being on the show?
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Maybe you guys can clear some things up for me, but it's my understanding that Joe was blackout drunk. Yes, he was. And that no one's disputing that.
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I see where you're going. And I just don't know why we're having a conversation at all about this topic, given that one person was blackout drunk. Yeah, just wasn't.
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And that like the fact that TJ is like pushing this narrative when Joe's like, listen, I don't know what happened. Maybe something happened. Maybe something didn't happen. But I don't fucking remember. And if like, sure, I don't know what happened. But it seems on the reunion, like TJ, you know, is obviously very emotional.
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whether he had a girlfriend or not, he's blackout fucking drunk. And why is TJ able to victimize himself when like the real question is, is like, what the fuck were you doing?
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TJ's in here crying. It's all fucked up because of his feelings. I think it kind of goes. You went out with your friend. He got blackout drunk. Something happened. He doesn't remember. You tell everyone about it, which is like. I don't think you're off.
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I just I'm just like very disturbed by like what's being ignored versus like the narrative TJ is pushing and how it's it's such a it's such like a difficult I think it's because like I you know, it's hard.
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And I was curious, as you guys, you guys know the situation.
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So, and you would say you're not friends with anyone at this point?
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Do you think you guys have bonded over these false allegations?
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Where do you think she's going to stand with Brad? Yeah, no, me and Maddie are going to be... Do you think Brad's going to get his next season? I mean, I hope so.
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But I mean, even just if we're just talking pure TV...
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You know, I'm just saying, like, I mean, shit, you got half your cast, like, coming up with storylines for the sake of storylines. Well, there is a storyline now, and one of those storylines is one person in the cast is making up storylines to hurt other people. To ruin other people's lives.
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I mean, honestly, like rumors about you or other people that are involved, you, it really, you know, for all the people who misuse the term gaslit, it really fucking like, that's on the nail on the head of gaslit.
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It's also tough, too, just because I imagine you guys have spent the past hour and how many minutes defending...
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Yeah. And then, you know, Emmy, I'm reactive. You are definitely, I objectively speaking, you probably don't do the relationship any good because your peers seem to know that if they have rile you up, you're immediately good television. Like if you see a preview and you're having one of your, Oh, you know, things that you do. Um, I'm, I'm, I'm locked in. I'm like, Oh shit. All right.
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you know rumor this or rumor that but like you you know like every couple i mean you guys have i'm sure your relationship problems i don't know i'm sure shit has happened in your relationship and it's like a weird thing because everyone knows no relationship's perfect and you're sitting here like well that didn't happen and this didn't happen and that's not true if we were to be honest about any other issue then it does that get piled on to the fake ones or is that right
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It does put your outbursts into context, but that's why it's like, it's like your, your, your freak out seem to come from you having like this, like this. Oh shit moment. It's not about Will. Mic'd up realizing like, Like, oh, I see how... Like, it is an ambush.
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I couldn't do what they do. I'm not even willing to do what they do. And they are professionals. And there's hazard pay, so to speak.
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It's almost like you have to separate the person and the character. And you have to be okay with being the character and then allow people on the outside world to not know the difference.
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I mean, it does kind of feel like, yeah, that this is where you guys are at in life. Yeah, this is life. You're in law school, you're working at a bar, and then the show's being filmed in this moment in your life. And it seems like the show has been able to
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just he's disregarded emmy he doesn't you know like you have this you got law school and really kind of taken almost like this legally blonde kind of like you know you're in law school and you have the you've planned out your guys's life yeah together and like i don't think there was a scene where you talked about like proposing or something and it was very much like yeah that you've decided i would sound pretty silly it's like a reward yeah they're like is that
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I mean, clearly you overthink. Yes, I know. So you've done a good job. I don't you know, and don't think and don't sit there and replay this in your head over and over. I'll try not to. I mean.
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Well, it's one thing I've learned about reality TV and I've been in this business for a long time is things have a way of coming around and it's always the long game and the people who do make TV, you know, they know what they're doing.
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And even if it was the last scene in the finale of the prom where that whole group kind of bizarrely followed you and ganged up on you while you guys were supposed to have this like one-on-one conversation with the...
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with austin i really think painted a picture of what the real dynamic of this relationship is and you know don't know what holds the future for you on this show sounds like emmy you're back for sure but like things have a way of um flipping itself on its head and maybe bradley or tj might have to be in a different position
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Well, thanks for showing up for this. Yeah, of course. We appreciate it. Thank you guys for listening. Hope you guys enjoyed this episode. We'll see you tomorrow.
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Okay. There seems to be like a lot of things about your guys' relationship that feels untrue or unfair as it relates to some of your peers and castmates have directed towards you guys in the relationship. However, it also seems like there's also things that maybe have happened or like that may have some truth to it that maybe like almost like puts you guys in a bad.
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It's like if one thing's true, then they must all be true type of thing. So maybe let's address the things that like maybe you guys have had to work on.
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Uh, or maybe things that you've had to apologize for as it relates to maybe how you guys have treated each other. I think maybe the criticism that's directed your way sometimes is maybe like things you may have said behind Emmy's back. How much of that is accurate and true?
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So it wasn't like you were going around town just like holding up a poster or being like, if you want to hear some shit about Emmy, I'm the guy to talk to. This was a isolated one-off venting session.
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There's definitely a difference between like talking, venting about your relationship and doesn't, again, doesn't make it okay. Versus just like, there are people who do talk shit about their partners, you know, and there are people like, they're just not on a TV show for the world to see it. Well, I don't even mean like in a defensive way.
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I just mean there are people who like go out and just like will roll, you know, like they'll be out with the girls or out with the guys. Yeah, like I hate her. Some will come out and then like someone's like rolling their eyes about their boyfriend or talking shit about their, you know, their wife or girlfriend. I mean like, oh, she's, I don't know, she's fucking sorry.
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And there's a difference between someone who does that on a regular basis behind their partner's back versus again, like sitting down with a group, you know, seemingly friends and inventing about your partner, which again, you can still cross a lot of lines doing that. But I do think the framing is important.
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Those are two very different situations because I do, I've seen both happen and, you know, people who just like openly just talk shit about their partners. To me, I think that's one of the, I mean, like that's, you know, I mean, I mean, this is as much of a violation as cheating to me in some cases.
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Like if you're going around just like thinking this is someone who has your back, you know, and you're just like out there, just like someone says like, yeah, no, they fucking hate you versus someone who, again, who is just like sitting down with some friends and thinking it's confidence and then venting. But maybe it sounds like you were also inebriated or something.
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Have you confronted any of these people who kind of went behind your back and in turn what in your mind, again, like lesson learned, but it sounds like what you're saying was in good faith.
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It didn't feel like he ever really meant it. Do you think he did? I think he did.
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He said it with eye contact.
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After that silent yoga. I think next week someone's going to be real pissed.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It's definitely Juliana. Well, I mean, we don't know if it's definitely Juliana. I definitely think it's Juliana. And I definitely think Latia is going to be pissed. The question is, will Latia be messy? Will she come out at AFR and be like, what's all that love talk? I mean, she's not going to be messy.
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I think they got fired.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah. She knows she's going to win. Yeah. Yeah. Zoe. Wow. What a run.
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Yeah. I don't think they were like, oh, there's some rumors going on about us. You know what? Let's, for the good of this show, let's- Let's step away. Let's step away. I think, you know, it's been fascinating as someone, I, like, Bennett was kind of like the last, I know, I think, to my knowledge, I know two people who still are working.
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She was set up, you're right.
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Well, coming up shortly, we have Crystal Minkoff and Cynthia Bailey of the hit show Humble Brag joining us momentarily to talk a little Housewives of Atlanta, just a little Bravo gossip, what's going on in their lives. And then after that, we also have Dasha joining us.
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From that hit song and many more, she's also a big fan of White Lotus, we've heard. Does a little pop culture. So we'll see what Dasha has to say coming up shortly as well. Any final thoughts on Bachelor before we move on to Crystal and Cynthia?
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I'm Team Latia, but I'm... Team TT. TT. But no disrespect to Jules, but I think he's going to pick Jules.
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I don't think we're not Team Jules.
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I'm a fan of Latia's.
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Yeah, and I think she's a runner-up.
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And I think she got played. Oh, I think the producers played her. I think Grant was very much a listen. Like, it's not Grant's fault. He's he doesn't know about this world. And he's going into this world with a level of like, hey, you know, I'm going to trust you guys.
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I'm curious.
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That's not, but if he's faking that, if that's all bullshit, that's not his fault. That's the producer's fault. That's Claire Bennett's fault. I mean, it's, I mean, Listen, I just don't expect... Yeah, again, there's no gun to anyone's head and no one's making you say anything, but in that world, he just doesn't know better. Of all the leads before him, people who... Grant wasn't in the top four.
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Either it was Hannah Brown, so it's not like it hasn't happened before, but people who don't make it to the top four have a very...
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limited experience and very different experience about like the final stages of the season and so if you make it the top four and then you become the lead you are far more prepared than people who don't you know you just like there's just it's like a whole different version of filming with the stakes being elevated and that much higher and for grant having not had experience that he's really going in this whole phase of the show incredibly blind and very much trusting these people
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Yeah, I know. I'm including Bennett in that, but I don't know.
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so like and i've heard from previous producers that they always thought bear that claire and bennett there uh were very scripted very staged very much they kind of decided like the beats of the show and kind of just kind of told leads exactly what to do and say and didn't really give them much wiggle room i heard that don't know if there'd be pushback from claire and bennett on that opinion but that is what i heard but if that's true i give grant a lot of grace
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But if he's saying I love you to Letia... And what if, what if Latia, like what the runner up, what if the runner up they've positioned this whole season is like, he doesn't know morning of, he doesn't know. They make it seem like not even make it seem they have Jesse Palmer come out in this preview and act as if like they are about to bring the two. It's proposal. It's ready to go.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It's proposal time, whatever time of the day they have the proposal set. It is time. And he still doesn't know. Yeah. And he needs to let Jesse know of all people. And there's no way that's true. There is no way that's true. Just knowing how the show is done, there is no way they woke up that morning and they were like, who are you going to pick? And Grant was like, I have no idea.
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And if they really didn't know, if Grant really didn't know the last person they would bring in is Jesse Palmer, because like, what is, and again, love Jesse greatest job for what they asked the bachelor host to do, but it's very different than what they asked the temptation Island host to do in terms of like actually giving advice.
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I've never seen Jesse do anything other than pat them on the back and go, all right, well, good luck. Um, So for Grant to say that he knew on this show, that means that Claire and Bennett basically forced Grant into pretending that morning he didn't know, which means that they might have forced Grant into saying a lot of shit to their runner up that he didn't believe or was true.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It seems like, so when Mike Fleiss left the show, there was a big, I think we talked about this, this big kind of shakeup. And Mike Fleiss is, you know, for those who don't know the creator of the show, he's been like living on an island in literally Hawaii. When he felt like kind of sticking his nose in it, he would like tell people what to do. And then sometimes he would take a hiatus.
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And it will be very curious how Grant handles that. And it'll be I'll be curious to see if the you know, if I'm if I'm the runner up, I don't give a fuck. I wouldn't offer a grant any grace. I mean, despite me offering him grace because I'm not personally involved on the runner up, I'd be like, fuck that guy.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Can't wait. Well, up next, Crystal and Cynthia.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It was kind of very, no one really knew what was going on. Anyways, and so when he stepped out or got pushed out or whatever, they're still like, people think he's still very much involved, but there was a big shakeup and they brought in this Claire person from Bachelor Canada, brought her down. And then a lot of people who were kind of running things were let go.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
All right. Ready?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Crystal, Cynthia, hi, welcome back. Hi. How are you?
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Well, you should.
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How does one get invited to a personal yacht?
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You're a good guest.
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You're easy to be around.
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This is your, you know, it's your boat.
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Were you by yourself?
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Bennett was like the lone survivor of like the OG group. And a lot of people had hurt feelings about, you know, how that all went down. And I think a lot of people felt like
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When rich girls get together, do they bring man candy?
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I don't know.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
bennett left them kind of hanging so to speak mixed feelings you know i mean it can go both ways uh business is business but like a lot i think a lot of people uh were upset with i got i think bennett you know because he was kind of the last man standing and this claire person came in from bachelor canada and those two kind of seemingly took over they kind of got in locks up with each other and it and again these are all just rumors or just you know opinions from people who have worked on the show and things that i've heard but it seems like a lot of people they all kind of blame claire
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This episode came out yesterday.
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Did you know that she was coming in here with some stuff to unpack? Well, it didn't surprise me.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
What did she say you did wrong?
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Give me the short version. Oh, my God.
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Who needs a new stylist?
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That's what offended Chanel.
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Her being the most obnoxious?
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So what does Chanel have thought about?
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I've been called annoying before.
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She has a big personality. People who have big personalities sometimes can be annoying.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
She doesn't bat a thousand, you know? She says some shit. Lots of times it lands. It's pretty funny.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You know? It's not that bad. Might not be for everybody. No, she doesn't bat a thousand.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
That's what she's all upset about? Why are you catching heat in the comments?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I don't forget when she started. She worked on Joey's season for sure. There was another person. His name was Jason. And it was Jason, Bennett and Claire kind of running things. And then Jason got pushed out by Claire and Bennett. Allegedly. And somehow, some way, Jason got let go.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Oh, my God. This is what it's like filming this show. Go check it out now.
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How?
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you know whatever i people services like you pay them sometimes the good people in the service industry your stylist your makeup artist your hairdressers every once in a while they are a little dramatic sometimes so i will say i watched a little gossipy yeah i watched his whole nine minute thing and he did admit though that it was actually paid there was a misunderstanding
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Don't miss the all-new season of Farmer Wants a Wife Thursday on Fox. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and everyone is fired at The Bachelor. I don't even know who's running that show anymore.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
He gave the people a good context.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I heard that, you know, they kind of pushed him out. But again, this is all speculation. This is all rumors.
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Well, I know what I'm sharing are opinions from people. But like, yeah, this is what I've heard from people like in it. So, yeah, it's kind of it's kind of fascinating.
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She's moving things around. My biggest shocker was when her stylist showed the receipts and he kind of went through all the various jobs. But she gets glam for everything.
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It's like we can't put it up in a bun and wear a chunky sweater.
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If your photo's taken all the time. Stop it.
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I wouldn't do it. Straight dumb male here. Is there a difference between doing your makeup and doing your glam?
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And you look. Thank you.
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Can she afford it?
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I'm not going to do it. Like, I'll do my own when I can.
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I don't know if she's being mean, but I think a lot of people don't appreciate, I guess. I don't know.
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If you are taking days.
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But his last time you spoke, I went to read it through.
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Do you hate her?
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That would be weird if someone was two days late. Yeah. It sounded like this went on for a while.
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I keep DMing Doreen to come on the show and she keeps reading it and she keeps not responding.
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Jeff's blocked? I'm not blocked. Jeff's blocked. I'm not blocked.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I'm like, okay. I promise you a good time. It is a good time. I mean, the podcast.
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Like a safe, good time. It's a safe space. I love that. It's a safe space. I promise her a safe space.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
She keeps reading it. But I don't think it's her. You don't think she's checking your DMs?
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Good for her.
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Where do you, who are you talking to these days of the cast?
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Sutton?
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How's she doing?
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No.
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i'm fairly new to it i've seen episodes here and there but i'm i'm just starting to get into it okay so are you caught up with where with season i'm caught up but i'm not like i'm caught up but i'm not like quite following yet but you don't know a lot of history you know learning the ex-husbands he needs he needs like the the family tree absolutely obsessed that that charles oakley
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Did not know that. Huge basketball fan of the 90s. Oh, yes. He dominated, so thought that was pretty cool. I was like, who is this silver fox coming into the scene?
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That was pretty cool. I was very excited about that. What can we expect this season?
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Well, I mean, there's a difference between like raising, you know, I don't know. I think, um, I honestly don't know what to think. I think there are a lot of hurt feelings by what happened a couple of years ago. You know, I think a lot, you know, the, the, the gen finale, I think they caught a lot of heat for that. That was Claire and Bennett, you know, whose idea was a clear, was it Bennett?
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So why even bother reaching out?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I don't know what she's going to say, but I think the best response would be, I honestly don't care. That is not the best response. Oh, my God. It absolutely is the best response.
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And then what's the part that made the cut?
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Is that true?
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I said fib because I thought it was softer. The part that made the cut, still true, correct?
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Okay, so then what's the problem?
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And what's the big, because I know this was happening in the off season, but the revenge porn situation. Oh, God.
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Are you not even allowed?
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It's still part of the season. Will that be part of the season?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Okay. Yes. Okay.
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I don't know. They caught a lot of heat for that. They made a lot of decisions. And what I've heard is they kind of just left a lot of people out and they kind of siloed themselves. Anyways, it just seems like there was a lot of toxicity, a lot of bad feelings, a lot of people, you know, feeling like they were getting pushed out. Just what was described to me as very Game of Thrones over there.
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That was a gentle way of saying it.
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That was a gentle way of saying it. I'm sorry, is this not a Bravo like podcast where we talk about tea and rumors? Oh my God.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Revenge porn all over a party.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Are we supposed to be gentle with that? I mean, it's your friend. I'm just saying it.
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No Kenya smoke.
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Do you ever bring the smoke or are you smoke free?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, you're the most probably thoughtful and delicate. And so when you do say something, it like it feels like less reactive and more like thought through.
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You worried about Drew today?
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What if I come to your defense in the comments?
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What if I go to war with you?
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I was like, oh, shit.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I was just drinking my coffee this morning, and I saw this weirdest thing.
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Well, that will be interesting because, again, it's very much like, you know, the Bachelor franchise is run by Warner Brothers. Right. And there's been a lot of mix up there. But it's also like ABC is the distributor, ABC slash Hulu slash Disney, ultimately Disney. And I don't really know how they decide all those things.
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What do you guys think, last time before we let you ladies go, but what do you guys think about housewives fake quitting or walking off or suggesting they're quitting? Are either of you familiar with the internal drama? Are you talking about Tamara? No, well, no, that's a little different because obviously Teddy, with what Teddy's going through, our hearts go out to her.
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Talking about Salt Lake City.
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Lisa Barlow is...
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We don't know. Couldn't know. But I guess my question to you is like, how performative do you feel like these walkouts or these cryptic posts of like, oh, I'm finally done here. Like, do you think it's real? I mean, or do you think it's performative?
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I feel like with Tamara, I mean, obviously, given what's going on with Teddy, Teddy's fighting for her life. Our hearts go out to her. I couldn't imagine being in Tamara's shoes. I know Tamara's obviously been very, you know, various seasons been messy.
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But like when your co-host is literally fighting for her life and you're filming Housewives, it just kind of it feels also unnecessary and unserious.
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Have you ever had to search for a quote to post it?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
What was the quote that Meredith put up, Justin?
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But like there's a lot of say that ABC has, even though they're not the ones that produce it. Right. So I think that's always kind of been their challenge about like. There's always been a lot of fighting for, like, who has the right to do what between ABC and Warner Brothers. So it'll be interesting to see, will ABC maybe get more pull with the shakeup or not? I don't know, but...
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
That's in response to Lisa fake quitting.
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Whitney. So Whitney was basically like, don't second guess yourself. Like, keep on walking. Keep on leaving.
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Now, I feel like that's actually shade towards Lisa. We don't know. If I'm reading between the lines with Meredith, I feel like you do.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Do they have to quote Robert Frost?
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That quote almost from Meredith is, I feel like it seems to be directed at Lisa because it's kind of like, don't walk in front of me. I'm not a follower. I'm not going to go behind you or in front of you. Let's do this together. And Lisa's been her friend. And now it's like, is Lisa not negotiating a good fate?
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But that's giving jump the shark. I don't need you to fake
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You don't even have to come back. But there's no producers being like, you should start. If you feel so compelled to walk off.
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That's never, it's never.
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So it's like you walk off. I swear to God, if next season we're still talking about her and Mo's separation, I'm going to lose it.
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Because they'll never. Are they not getting divorced because of money?
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But just say that then. Be like, hey, we're together for the money.
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Now it's not traumatic. Now it's just like, oh, we're pretending to do this again.
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No, because they don't have chemistry on screen. And it's like, oh, you know. Yeah.
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I hope so, too. I hope this is an opportunity, but I don't know if they will.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, it's always great catching up with you two. Excited to hear what's going on. And I'm going to check out that Humble Brag episode.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, check out Humblebrag, everyone, if you haven't already. It's a doozy of an episode. They're all incredible episodes and it's available wherever you get your podcasts. So check it out.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, excited to watch more Atlanta Housewives. According to Cynthia, they're less passive-aggressive.
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I feel like Phaedra's not really been like... She comes in later.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, what did he do?
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Does she want to come on here and elaborate?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Oh, my God.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
T. T. All right. Up next, Dasha talking about her hit music, her lipstick controversy, and a little White Lotus love.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I always thought it was interesting that Claire, this Claire person, got hired because she got hired right after she basically destroyed Bachelor in Paradise Canada. Like it no longer exists.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Dasha, welcome to the show.
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How are you?
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Are we pretty good?
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Well, does it exist anymore? How did that happen? I don't think so. I don't know. Well, I don't know. I've never really seen it or watched it or followed it, but I don't know if there's a story. I just know that it no longer exists.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It is St. Patrick's Day. She's wearing green. I'm wearing green. Natalie.
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I got this shirt yesterday. I wasn't planning on wearing it. Then I put on a darker shirt. It was like a mossy green.
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And then we got some butter on it this morning.
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I was having eggs and then I was giving my daughter some of my eggs. Then there was a piece of butter on the plate that kind of looked like eggs. Picked that up, gave it to my daughter. I was like, oop, can't do that. My bad.
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Then she spit it out and then spit it on my shirt. Got some butter on the shirt. And then I'm like, well, it is St. Patrick's Day.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It says here where Dylan Efron lived.
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Did you know Dylan Efron growing up? He went to school.
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Hi, Dylan.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
So it's like she has a trail of coming in and being like, oh, let's just get rid of Bachelorette. Let's just get rid of Bachelorette.
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when you had a roommate, did you label your food or did you?
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If you're going to have a roommate, you have to, yeah, I think you need some flex. And if you're, you're not meant to ever have a roommate if you label your food.
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Also, why? Now you want to label your food?
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Why would you want to label your food?
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Certified.
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My bad. Certified fresh?
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It's called Bachelor Pad, you mean?
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Not unless it's pasta.
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Oh my god, absolutely. I'm an absolute food snob.
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Speaking of roommates, I once had a roommate eat six week old spaghetti.
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A meat sauce.
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He was a heavy drinker and didn't notice.
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So what's new with you? What's going on with your life?
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Are you performing?
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We are planning on, are we still planning on going?
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Of Stagecoach.
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No, she's talking about Bachelor Pet, which came out before Bachelor in Paradise. It was their original spinoff. Some say before their time, before like competition reality shows from like bringing back old cast members and doing silly games and things like that. Like a lot of people thought it was great for whatever reason. This was years ago.
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How crazy are you willing to be?
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Do you ever get nervous performing live?
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Sure, sure. Do you feel more at home, in studio, just hitting those notes?
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a lot of this is years ago i never watched it either but i was familiar with it and then they canceled it and then that's when they took like a couple year break and that's how bachelor in paradise started because they were like looking for a different spinoff and again like maybe it was this before time this was before like you know obviously traders came out and the success of that and all these like competition shows where they brought like you know like they have love island all-stars you know and things like that you know and never it didn't work back then and seems to work now so i don't know it says 2010 three seasons yeah
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Oh, my God. That'll fuck you up.
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You were the hopeful person. So ready.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You said it, not me.
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Yeah, that's exactly what happened.
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So you'll make toxic decisions because it might inspire you to write great songs.
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Is that where we interviewed?
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I even knew that.
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After you're done with your performance as stagecoach, are you going to enjoy the festival at all?
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Yeah, I don't know.
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So you will immerse yourself with the festival.
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There was a big scene where this guy, his name was Nick. And like he, it was like, if you both agree to keep it, uh, you split it. And if one person agrees to keep it and the other person, if some person says like, keep it. And the other person says, share it. The person who keeps it gets it.
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Yeah.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Oh, absolutely.
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And this guy named Nick's took it, uh, and, and was very much hated, but he took like $250,000 and left the girl hanging. Left the girl hanging.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
But did you see anyone dressed up as you?
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Yeah. That's actually a good Halloween costume. Wait.
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Would you be flattered or offended?
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I don't think it's that bad.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Honestly, kind of cool.
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Absolutely. Okay.
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It was a big deal. Yeah. It was the opposite of the four Traitors coming together.
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I mean, you're a rock star. Yeah.
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Who was breaking up last night?
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It is what Brittany would have done.
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Oh my God.
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Well, he's clearly picking... Juliana.
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And he slid in like Tom Cruise in Risky Business, you know, like with just socks on like that.
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That would, yeah.
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Risky Business? Yeah. Sorry, before your y'all's time. Yeah, for sure. She's an artist, so she might have seen it.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
She watches films.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Speaking of watching, what are you watching these days?
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Boy cried. She gave a very vocal Fry version of trauma.
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You did? You're caught up?
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And? Have you watched the first two seasons? Yes.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah, and I'm... More uncomfortable than Sam Rockwell's long monologue about how he's fucking himself.
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Nobody. We got after the final rose next week, and I don't know who's in charge.
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I mean, yeah, sure. She seems lovely. She seems nice.
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I don't think he's going to Do you know who Sam Rockwell's wife is in real life?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It is the woman who's the actress in White Lotus who's playing the short blonde who is from Austin, Texas.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Wait, that's so fun. They're married in real life. They met filming, I believe, Iron Man 2.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It's just a very long-winded way of being like, yeah, I mean, my ex cheated on me.
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That was so fucked. Something I would have done in my earlier days. Really?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And that's so fucked. But yeah, when you're single, girl or guy, when you're single and you're all, well, her character's not single, though that makes it a little shady.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
But if you are all single, then yeah, it's kind of all fair and love and war. You're all kind of like, part of it is like,
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You're making eye contact with random women at a bar who you think want your guy or the guy that you're getting with. You'll lock eyes and give them the old like you wish you had this.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Sarah, have you ever done that?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And again, it's a tough situation for sure. But then Grant just crying. I was like, is it hot there? Is it sweating? How moist? But then fast forward to the dates with the Tia. He was dry as fuck.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
The missing gun.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
He's going to find out his dad has no money.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And he's on drugs. And I messed it up.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
No.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, maybe. He needs to die at this point. There might be more than one dead person.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
He's misunderstood.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Jennifer Coolidge, what do you mean? Maybe she just got on his nerves. I don't know.
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Do you watch reality TV at all?
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The last season.
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Really? Mm-hmm. How'd you meet Rob before he was Rob?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Really?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You're still best friends? Yes. Okay. She's my best friend in the entire world. And what was that experience like watching her little brother become... Big brother? America's heartthrob.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Do they do that?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
They call. Yeah. Yeah.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Literally. And then one gentleman had a threesome with two randos and was like, I don't regret this shit.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Almost verbatim, he said. He basically wanted to check that box off his list. It was Breon. Breon, yes. The man on the left.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
but i was watching that i never watched it too hot to handle but it was good you should watch temptation island it's on netflix now is it netflix yeah it's on netflix now awesome yeah that one part was it was when ashley went into the uh the hut with uh was it dan oh yeah they put uh i would i would actually i wouldn't be able to further on anymore but they put like a um like a tent
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah, not your husband. Huh? Oh, my God.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
They're already broken up. We're not even done with the show.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
No, and then, but Taylor goes, I want this to not feel like cheating. Like, after he took a shower and...
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
had sex with some chick oh grant grant yeah yeah yeah when you hooked up with uh what her name was natalie natalie yeah when he's sitting playing the guitar oh that motherfucker singing about cheating i know i made a mistake i know what i've done first of all first of all out of the barbie movie thank you for reminding me that though this motherfucker brought a guitar ew
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You might have to have experienced IBS.
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to temptation island that's like bringing a puppy that's like yeah being like you know what i'm saying like even if you're a an actual musician if you if you went on temptation island dasha and you brought a guitar i've been like she wants to fuck like she is there okay i would do because i'd sauce that shit up but if somebody was bad did it i'd be like get that away for better good but if you bring a guitar as like a prop to like some sort of dating situation you're you're
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Like you're not.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
For sure. He's just like, this was like, he brought the guitar. He knows what he's doing. Yeah. Like he brought, he brought a basically a sex toy.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
That's like bringing a vibrator to a date.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
In what situation?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Have you ever had someone who is an artist try to sing to you and be like, not like, let me demo this shit for you, but you're hanging out. It's a date. We're not working. Like offline.
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Does it show up your lady penis?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You actually listen. You don't just say stop.
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Or I'm in the fantasy suite and I got bubble butt.
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Say what you want. I mean, now you're a star. They felt right. Using that name. They kind of killed it. Got it right.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah, Grant's in charge. Amongst the most recent, what, Deadline did an article a couple weeks ago talking about the toxic workplace environment over at the, I don't even know what you call it, because Warner Brothers produces the show, but Warner Brothers, it's produced by Next Media, which was the company I think originally owned or started by Mike Fleiss, I think.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
all right dasha yeah well this has been so much fun thanks for having me uh can you please plug away obviously so many people know and where to get your music and all that fun stuff but anything you want you where can people like find you on tour tour well guys i'm on tour right now with kane brown going out with thomas rett next that's kind of a big deal great i love thomas you're really you're really there i'm doing it it's so weird because last year i was not doing it like it's crazy
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Or the song.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, she's fun.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
What's the actual lyrics?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
First of all, if she listed her house for sale, people should stop putting that online.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It is interesting.
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Like 2 a.m.?
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Don't come?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, Shep's not moving. You see how he decorates his house?
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In defense of Shep, though, you really need a lady in your life.
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Molly.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah. He needs Molly.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
But before I met Natalie, I can't say that I was much better.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It was you and friends. It was definitely the peel and stick.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Put it this way. This is the first time you're going to be alone with anyone in this environment. So, like, you know, whatever your body is feeling, you're probably fairly in tuned, you know. But there might be like just like, you know, like now's the time.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
That was a hand-me-down from my broken relationship with Vanessa.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I got in the divorce.
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It was my art room.
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I respect that. I made art. I respect that.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I mean, oil paints. Oh, of course.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, I haven't done a lot of, well, I mean, maybe acrylics. Ceramics? Yeah, maybe acrylics. Watercolors, I might dabble.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You're also downplaying oil paints.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You're downplaying. Well, first of all, I have painted.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Just quit.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It wasn't much different than what he was accused of saying.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Whatever comment he did or didn't make that may or may not have been ignorant and inappropriate and insensitive. But just the fact that he has this girlfriend and we watched him lean into this storyline with Vanita all season long and then play her the way he's played her and then have his actual girlfriend, whoever this person is, like talk shit about Vanita.
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When clearly she's hearing from JT about what that relationship status is. And obviously he's downplaying it to her while upplaying it to us, which is interesting that we haven't heard from her at all, because like you would think he's clearly obvious. Obviously, he must be blaming producers in the show.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And, you know, when it comes to her and I'm assuming they're still together, are they or, you know, she must be believing it.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It's tough to watch Paige and Craig now. And she's rolling her eyes at them. I think they say like the, I mean, they're broken up now. So, you know, we have the answer, but like, there's no, no better sign of a broken relationship when people are rolling their eyes at each other.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I don't know. I do not want to watch Paige come to town and sit them, watch and not talk.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
He's trying to move this relationship forward. He's trying to like, hey, I got this house. I got this backyard. He's got a great backyard, by the way. Yeah, he does. Well done, Craig. Very nicely done. But yeah, like he wants to, I mean, literally settle down and she doesn't, you know, and it's...
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I mean, listen, everyone's different, you know, like Nellie and I really didn't talk about it, you know, when we when Nellie got pregnant with River, you know, but boy, we haven't slowed down, you know, like. And we're very lucky and very privileged to be able to get help. We have a lot of family members who can help with childcare and things like that.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
But, like, we have definitely not slowed down. Yeah. And so it's just interesting hearing this conversation and hearing Paige's perspective as if, like, she definitely has it in her mind. And it is obviously for a lot of people that if like a life with Craig and if they decided to have kids together, you know, like there's a lot of sacrifices to be made.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
No question when it comes to being a parent, but like it doesn't necessarily mean that your life has to end or your life has to slow down or you can't have a career. I mean, Natalie and I have never been more busy with our careers and we're very much like growing a family.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Listen, every situation is different. You know, we're not here to tell people like, you know, having kids are super easy. And our situation obviously is different than anyone else listening. But yeah, to Natalie's point, like we love being parents and we bring liver along as much as we can. We she comes into our liver.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
we bring River I can't we include River into our life as much as we can we bring her around and yeah she like assimilates into our life and the difference between our life before and our life now is when we're not working and we're not having a crazy life or doing some cool thing or we're not like you know like all the other shit is just like replaced by more meaningful shit like the shit we were just like I don't know what do you want to do you know
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when we were just like chilling, like we replace it with just like meaningful moment after meaningful moment.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And it's kind of, yeah, just to that point, it's just weird because like you just, especially for them. I mean, I don't know their situation, but like there's a lot of busy, successful parents out there.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, that's an interesting question. Like, if, you know, again, they're broken up now, so it almost seems weird talking about it. But, like, would Craig... be a stay-at-home dad? Would he marry a woman who was maybe more advanced in her career than his and more the breadwinner?
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They have used overnights. I don't know if there's a rebrand there.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And if, let's say, Paige and Craig worked out and her career keeps being elevated, she keeps getting busier and busier, she's booked and busy, Craig is fine. But compared to Paige, she seems to be on a higher trajectory. Would he be, you know, daddy daycare and what do you stay home? What do you, what do you, you know, what do you do that?
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I don't, I don't know, but like it would require maybe something like that, you know, as you know, you got to figure it out as a family, as, as parents and you adapt to whatever situation comes up. So maybe if you have two people who are like, no, I need to be, you know,
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Also, like, yeah, listen, I know maybe it's part of Paige's like bit or whatever, but But like dating someone who like constantly like talks down to men would probably bother me after a while. Like, cause Paige talks down about men to men and even a little bit to Craig where it's just like, I don't know, like maybe that's like her bit. I don't know. Maybe that's her vibe.
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That's kind of her persona, but like, I don't know. It would kind of.
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Would this be a dating red flag for you? Because I thought it was a huge red flag from Paige. Like, honestly, maybe Paige is right. Like, maybe Paige's mom, as far as Paige is concerned, has never been wrong.
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But if I'm dating someone and Paige delivered that line to me the way Paige delivered it to Craig, implying that, like, if and when we get married and have kids, that, like, her mom will be a more trusted, like, source than her own partner, I would be like, absolutely not.
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Like for for Paige to imply that her mom would never be wrong going forward and that she would go to her mom first before she went to her partner. I don't want to marry that person. Well, I want nothing to do with her.
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you know, to page about it. Like, that's not what happened. This was like a general conversation, just talking about like on a high level and pages talking about her mom's never been wrong. So she, this will always be the person she kind of goes to first.
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And there is a lot of people who have that type of relationship with their parent, where it's very much mom and dad are very still playing the role of mom and dad, even though, you know, that person isn't an adult, you know?
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I don't think he's looking for that. I think he accepted that because he realized after they were dating, like that's who she was. And I think next relationship Craig enters in, he'll make sure that that's not, I think that's something he put up with rather than enjoyed. And I do, I definitely in general think it's a huge red flag.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
How involved is your grandma in your relationship, in your relationship with Connor?
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Of course. Sure. And like Natalie has her support system, obviously people she goes to, but the way Paige delivered it and maybe I'm paraphrasing, obviously there's editing. So who knows? But she painted a picture that her mom's very involved in decisions that Paige makes, like very involved.
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And there's a lot of people out there are in relationships that feel like they have a husband and or wife and they're also kind of dating that person's parents. And they almost have to make sure before they make major decisions that that person has to clear it with mom or dad. And that is like
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Did we know that he did? Or was she being vague? It was like, yeah, Zach told me. I wish he would have waited because he told me they cuddled. So did Katie admit to having... Did she call out Zach or something?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
your number one dating ick yeah I do feel like that is like an absolute fucking no and like it's also just not healthy like it might work for you and you might think it's okay but that's not healthy that's not a healthy relationship that is codependent and that is like a weird you're way too close to your
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Like if every major decision you and Connor made and he started feeling like you had to make sure you check with grandma and then if gram and, and every decision you made seemed to always align with grandma, no matter what. And that like, is that how it is?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
see her side though you see Danielle's side kind of I see Lindsay's side too no come on come on I just kind of get that I get I get Danielle's line being like now we're making like pragmatic decisions you know it's like why not now you already made one that was like a little bit jump the gun so like why not now take things a little slow
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Again, I get, I'm just saying sometimes we make decisions because of the optics rather than what it actually does. And I'm just, I don't know.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I think there's a difference between marriage and living together, especially when you have a kid. Marriage is a legal contract.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It's what we did in the beginning of our relationship. I'm just saying.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
for me a kid completely changes the equation you know and there's something very permanent and very real about having a child together and like that just that changes the equation you know and and now you both like have a kid to raise and like regardless of What I do know about Lindsay and this man who I know nothing about is that for the next 18 years, those two are in each other's lives.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
They're connected no matter what. Doesn't matter whether they get married or don't get married or move in or don't get married. Those two are in each other's lives. Carl, Lindsay, as soon as this show ends, they may never speak to each other again, you know? But like, and when you have a kid, like there's, you don't, you take kind of practical decisions a little bit out the window.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I totally get where Lindsay's coming from. I'm not saying, I don't think she's making a bad decision or wrong decision, but I kind of get the criticism. I do a little bit.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I did. I think it's all fair. I think they're just leaning in. I'm just happy that Sierra finally admitted that part of her and Wes was a little bit her fault.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I don't know if she thinks she admitted that, but when she finally acknowledged that maybe her picker's a little off and that she goes after a certain kind of guy, I was like, oh, finally she's taking a little bit of ownership in her feelings.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I mean, you can't look at Wes Wilson and say husband material right now. Or boyfriend material.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Is it going to change your decision tree? Is it going to change your mind? Yeah. Like how you make a decision. Is that anyone?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It is interesting to think, though, the whole jealousy comment. when you're a single per, I mean, I guess I know I can speak for guys. I don't know how it is for the ladies, but when you're a single guy and you have women friends, you know, attractive women friends, but you're just, you're just friends. Like you're, you're cool. Like there's no like weird, strictly platonic, just friends. Like,
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
commenting on your girlfriends who are just friends instagram is this something that you think nothing of and like especially you've been single for a while you just don't think it's a big deal yeah and then when you're in a relationship completely opposite you're just like why would you comment on my girlfriend or boyfriends or husband or wives like you know like like stop being fucking weird yeah
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
um and it's just kind of funny because i remember being this single for years uh and having friends who were women and just like yeah just kind of fucking around and just like doing it for the plot or like having people online like react to do it and we're as two friends we didn't give a fuck and we just whatever yeah
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
You know, it's like if they do this, I'm going to do that, you know. cause and effect sure you know you're on the bachelor you know this person has a fantasy suite with multiple people you know they're given a green light if they want to potentially do that are you gonna get engaged and then say and break up with them
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And so hearing Lexi like have like she's so entitled to have a problem with this. Like you don't want to be dating a guy and having him like commenting on someone else's cans and, you know, other and his other friends, other body parts and calling saying they're so beautiful and how sexy they are. Like, you don't want to see that.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
And like the fact that it's not clicking for him and he's just like, what's the big deal? I'm just like being my like just be my authentic and his mind. He's just like nothing. You know, like you're asking me to change. I'm just being a friend of my friends.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, that's not gonna go well.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Why would Sierra do that, though?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Well, yeah, but that's the thing.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I'm not saying it's more her fault than his fault.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Sure. But when you start dating someone.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Fine. But like, yeah, they're in this weird period where like she can't get mad, but she's a human being. Oh, she's totally. She's liking this person and she has the right to feel a certain way. She totally deserves to be that. And while Jesse is far more responsible for that relation. Well, Sierra's not responsible for it at all. No.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
But the fact that a year ago, Sierra was in a very similar relationship to where he was kind of dating someone in the house, you would think she would be able to empathize with Lexi more than anyone else. And the fact that she's the very person being the subject of Jesse's flirtiness, it's just like she doesn't give a fuck.
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All right. Well, don't forget to tune in tomorrow. We have a very great episode of Going Deeper with Barbie Ferreira from Euphoria. She's got a great new movie coming out as well. That is a fantastic episode with Barbie. That is all tomorrow as well. And on Thursday, very excited, we have Jason Ritter returning with his wife for the first time, Melanie Linsky. They're coming together.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Very excited about them talking about their new projects. They're big fans of reality TV. I think they watch some Housewives as well. Maybe some other stuff. Even Jason's always come on talking about The Bachelor. So either way, they will definitely be a good time. That is on Thursday as well. Great week lined up for y'all. We love you. Thanks for listening. We'll see you tomorrow.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Are you going to be the first person in the history of the show to find out that the lead had sex with someone and then before AFR break up with them because they had sex with one other person and then come out of AFR and be like, yeah, they fuck someone. So fuck them. You're going to do that.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I mean, like certainly sex has been talked about and it's been, you know, and for various reasons, people had problems that are not have problems with, but no one's actually been like, yeah, we broke up. And then it's like, why? Because they had sex with someone else. Like that's never happened.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Clayton was different because Clayton was just like, I love everybody.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Yeah, and he came out at the rose ceremony. He's like, yeah, I had sex with you. I had sex with you. And I had sex with you. And he was like, I love you all.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
if you're gonna be the bachelor be the bachelor I swear to god like they must they must have given Clayton advice while he was eating two burritos at the same time and like he just like I do understand I think you should tell all these women you had sex with them he's like sure you know I'm like not thinking anyways I think that that's nuts that Katie came out and was like yeah Zach told me he had sex with someone else before my fantasy suite I'm choosing you but like I slept with her I thought it was like during a musical act where you like whispered in her ear and be like yeah
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And that's where all the production team like works out of. But it's also like kind of run by Warner Brothers. I don't know. I don't totally, totally get it. Anyways. Yeah. So the showrunners Claire and Bennett are no longer with the show.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
Anyway, did Grant make it seem like he didn't have sex?
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
He kind of made it seem like he wasn't having sex.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
I'm not going to out you.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
i definitely when i was a bachelor i'm not gonna out you i'm not i was not gonna like hook up with multiple people i i knew that going in if i was gonna hook up with anyone it wasn't it was only gonna be one that was my my promise to myself that was your right reason yeah that was my right reason that was your boy scout you're like i will fuck one person okay well so maybe i wonder if grant did too be intimate
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
But he does love Latia.
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E902 - RHOA w/ Crystal and Cynthia, Dasha, Fantasy Suites, Summer House, Southern Charm & Temptation Island
It was a throwaway. But he did say, he said it multiple times.
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operating as if like she doesn't need to be careful she has a right to go out whenever she wants she's a free and independent single woman now and that those are all true but when you're in when you're in the public eye and you have an audience you have to sometimes be careful of of the optics regardless of the optics are true or not because people have their opinions and she doesn't give a fuck and that's fine but she wants craig to have her back in the meantime
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So she wants to go out and operate and she wants to go out in public and go to games and hold people's hands. And then when rumors start circulating, she wants Craig to what? Stand up and say, don't worry, she didn't cheat. That's fucking insane.
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So that's all we know. What could have been anyone?
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What do we know about those women? Let's say let's say it was inappropriate.
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OK, sure. Now it's getting fine. It's getting messy and spiteful. But like we're still under the impression that Paige outgrew Craig, didn't want to be in that relationship and broke his heart. And we're all acting like Craig, like Sierra having opinion or any of Paige's friends having an opinion about Craig's feelings and whether it's time for him to just move on is insanity.
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When I disagreed with how Sierra handled the West thing, fine, because I just felt like she was upset that he didn't like her, but she has the right to feel however she wants. And if she wants to still be upset, that's fine. To sit there and tell someone you're milking it because your feelings shouldn't be hurt anymore. That's crazy.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
yeah when we got back from new york yeah i got flowers honestly it was it was better than we had a wonderful valentine's day no what's funny though is that i was so busy i i haven't even had time to post a valentine's day i love you message to my wife oh my god you haven't let the internet fucking know we love each other i haven't no i haven't let them know wait the question is being in love they're gonna forget the question is did you ask natalie to be your valentine
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Exactly.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
I've heard Wes's version. And Wes's version is like he just realized he didn't like her after hanging out with her.
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But we do know that they were never dating. And we do know early on that Wes made it very clear that he has like, you know, commitment issues. There's that.
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I'm not even here to have Wes's back. I'm just here. If Sierra, fine. And if Sierra has a right to be upset about Wes, I am just saying it's a little bit much for her to be calling out Craig.
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I'm just like, who's accusing Wes of milking it? He did an interview and someone asked him a question about the break.
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That's the subheadline.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Okay, and then what was the problem?
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I didn't think he did that. Ours first.
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I'm with you. I just think, you know, I just don't think... More than anything, we should be like the idea that Craig doesn't have the right to be upset and that he is supposed to have pages back after they're broken up. Regardless of how how page choose to move and operate to me is nuts. But that's nuts.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vow Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick. I hope you all had a very wonderful Valentine's Day weekend. Always had to emphasize the N's.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Was that in episode one? Teaser.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Oh, because Jesse's just like... Because Jesse's being messy.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Well, Jesse is like, you know, he's friends with Sierra and he's just like... He has that friend where you just like... I used to be... When I was single and I had like girlfriends who were just friends, but like, you know, they were attractive and you'd be like, oh, you're so hot or whatever. Yeah.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
I think at some point I kind of like joked about it. Yeah.
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But he starts looking at, you know, he starts liking another girl and he's still doing the whole you're so hot to his quote unquote friends.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Sierra's a little messy. All right. Well, I think Kazzy David is almost here. So, Kazzy, welcome back.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Where do you want to start? Your amazing new movie? No, I don't want to start with that. You don't want to start with that? Yeah. We already talked about it a little bit.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Well, how you been?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
I don't know how movies are even made.
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What inspired you to write this genre of movie?
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Yeah. Well, it's funny because like sometimes you watch these rom-coms where like or like Sex and the City is like a show we love watching. And then like it's always portrayed in this like very like romantic way that you're supposed to be like, oh, I want that. But when you like kind of take away some of the shine, you're like, wait, is this?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Oh, what a romance. Romantic. Well, isn't that the point of being married?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
big kind of like toxic and emotionally abusive potentially like you know when they don't romanticize it and like this movie really kind of leaned into that and I just really love the just the self-deprecating humor about like more than anything like how we lie to ourselves in relationships yeah for sure that's great
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I have to go in there on like on a Tuesday before Valentine's day. I'd be like, I hope she says yes.
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It does not work. My favorite was, if you're not going to go to therapy, at least watch some of the TikToks I sent you. Yeah.
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I meant to leave that. I don't want it back. You can have it.
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I guess it does. But yeah.
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That's great. Well, the movie is I know you don't want to keep talking about. It's really good, though. You should be really proud. I love a good rom-com. There's not enough of them out there today. I was texting you about this yesterday, but I think every generation has their breakup movie.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Well, first we stopped at a friend's and then after we stopped at their friends, we were walking on the street and we saw Meg Ryan just walking.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
When you're breaking up with someone and you just don't really know how to feel about how you're feeling and you want to connect with something, sometimes there's a movie out there that really...
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
kind of like not only speaks to like the pain you're feeling but it calls you out on some of your bullshit for me it was like forgetting sarah marshall you know and i feel like this movie for this generation because it like it does like topically like talk about some of the things that people out there are dating experience and just some of the language people are using whether it's correct or incorrect and things like that because you like you said there's a lot of people out there who have dated people like this or have had relationships like this
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or have acted that way in these types of relationships. And I think it can be very eye-opening and help people get over that stuff. Because forgetting Sarah Marshall, as great as it was, I was going through a breakup just like that. And just to be able to watch that, I watched it over and over.
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And every time I did it, it helped me feel good because he kind of woke up and really saw her for who she was throughout that movie. Anyway, so.
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It was very cool. It was a very cool celebrity sighting.
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No, it's definitely, it's dark.
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The ending is, I loved the end. It's very uplifting and it really, it's a kind of a, like Swingers has that ending where it's kind of that like aha moment at the end.
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Anyways, congratulations. Thank you.
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It was really good. You can find it on Amazon. It's available, it's out now. It's called I Love You Forever.
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Okay. SNL 50 was last night. Yeah. Did you see your dad's? Glam bot. Glam bot.
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Did they ask your dad at all to join in anything? You know, I don't know.
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Ryan and Blake made a little appearance in the audience. I thought that was great. I thought it was pretty funny. Really good.
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Back's doing better.
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That's a good point.
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I have surfed in Hawaii, and it's not nice to your back at all.
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Anything else in the SNL that we're trying to think? It was long. It was good, though. It was really long.
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Did you see the outtakes of, you know, that bit where it was Will Forte and Jason Sudeikis and Will Forte was in the like the Elmo costume.
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And they stood up in the crowd. There's like outtakes now. And they're like, who played Wednesday Adams?
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And I guess she was like right next to Jason Sudeikis. And she keeps like dodging his hand movements because like, you know, it's so small in there. And she's just going like this.
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It's pretty hilarious. You got to watch it.
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It seemed a lot of random that he was there, though.
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It was kind of weird, like, looking into the crowd as they would pan in the commercials, and everyone was, like... I almost wish Lorne, like, had died, so, like, it would, like, justify it a little bit more, you know?
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Like, what are we going to do now when he does die?
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He's just, he's great. Traitors. Traitors. This is what you've been dying to talk about.
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Short of we interviewed Rob last week and he was talking about like when he showed up, you know, they had that plan of how they presented them and, you know, that or the bringing them back short of like how they introduce them and things like that. Yeah, the producers are not pulling strings as much as other shows.
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You know where Sierra fucked up? I was thinking about this this morning because I was like, it just dawned on me. So let me know if I'm wrong. Okay. But she got the shield, right?
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And she hid it. Now, some people on her team knew that she had the shield, but if at some point in the round table, she would have been like, guys, I haven't said anything because I'm trying to like suss out a traitor, but I have the shield. I felt like that would have helped her cause. It doesn't make sense that if you're a traitor, that you would...
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No, not that she had the shield, but I'm saying that she hid it from the traitors.
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At some point, I feel like she should have owned up to that.
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Maybe, like, right before they vote. Like, I actually have the shield, right?
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But like, we got new fans, you know.
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For sure.
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Would you do it?
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You would be so mad at me if I voted you out.
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It is crazy. It's a viable thing. Cassie David said she would do your show if you're listening.
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No, Traders is elevating, Cassie.
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Your career in Traders is going to be... That's what I'm saying, yeah. You're big enough. I'm sorry, you're being self-deprecating again. I'm going to keep up.
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And we were finishing dinner and I was like, so no, I really think we should date. And I was like, absolutely not.
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I feel like the traders have the best chance to go. Like, I think if you're a trader, you're almost guaranteed to go a little far. You have better odds to go further, but it's almost impossible to win. I feel like.
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Also MJ.
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They turned on her?
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She was starting the process. She was on her first one-on-one.
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Well, right, so it ended with him fighting about that.
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I think the smart move is to try to recruit someone.
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Because like Danielle said, I mean... You want to be able to throw someone under the bus. They're pretty confident. One of the traitors is at least one woman. They're right about that. Their only traitors are two.
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I think. Well, see, I think Caroline's making an emotional decision as well, because it's just more like she's just kind of like, you lied to me. Fuck you. Like, she's just like, I can't trust you. They both need to compromise. I think Caroline should compromise and invite someone in, like try to seduce a faithful. But that person should be Gabby.
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If Gabby wanted to put the gamer hat on, she could totally do it. Totally. She could have fun with it, too. And now, because Chrishell's gone, all the Bambi girls are gone, so if you're Gabby, you're like, fuck it, I have no loyalty to anyone here. Why not?
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Yeah, it wasn't like that, but I definitely zigged and zagged. I pulled a West.
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yeah that's true um wasn't it that if you get recruited though and you say no you do you get murdered i don't think so no no but like there's always a choice of like do you say something do you not say something yeah because they're gonna tell that you know they will say well because no one will get murdered right if you get seduced someone no one's murdered so they'll find out no one's murdered and then like they'll be like oh well someone got seduced or like um whatever i don't know
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We don't know who it was.
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No, everything he does is 100% serious. When he was running, holding that tune. Yeah.
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As if that does anything, yeah. Does that even do anything?
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Yeah.
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I have a soft spot for Tom.
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After doing special forces.
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Perfect person who is he's only capable of so much.
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So that's not true.
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I can't be that mad at him because like he can't be that evil. He's not capable of it.
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He's like, no, for sure.
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It's triggering now because she doesn't like the way the steak's prepared.
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I have to think of the letter N. I mean, I would say for 30-some years, I had no idea.
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You make a good point. I think that shows a weakness of the show. The gamers were there to, like, focus on TV. And that's why Rob was speaking up. And that's why, like, Bob the Drag Queen was speaking up. Because, like, they wanted to make TV. But no one else would say anything. So they had, like, too much attention on there. Too much heat.
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Would you want to be a trader or a faithful?
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You have a very constant energy.
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Your vibes are off.
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She's always, like, crying.
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So who do we have left?
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If they don't recruit Gabby or Brittany, they're going to kill a guy for sure. Because there's no point in killing a girl.
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He's not a gamer. He didn't like come in. I think he's pretty smart. He's just showing up to like update his brand. You know, like he's not coming to win traders. I don't think he gives a fuck about the show.
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That is a little frustrating with this. And I think Rob was mentioning this, that there's almost too many variables they can't control. Rob was talking about game theory.
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Well, instead, we got a rezzo at an Italian restaurant near our hotel. We went to- Serafina?
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He was just talking about just... well, if I would have went after Wes, then I had to think about, you know, it's always like, he's always thinking three or four steps ahead. And he's just talking about just like, if you do this, there's a theory behind this. And there's like, there's immense amount of strategy behind the moves that they're making.
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They're not, they're not voting for like their friends because they want to save someone or they're just not, they're not voting for someone who, Sometimes they would go with the majority because that's a strategy, but there's always a strategy. And most of these people, to your point, they're not strategizing. They're all surviving.
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Most people are there to survive, not strategize how to make moves.
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Lovely.
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I really want to see it go on.
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But Natalie and I like to walk the streets of New York and shop, and we decided to go to one of our favorite pizza places that's near a hotel that we often stay at that we didn't stay at this time. And so I'm curious, how trashy is this? Maybe this could be our dealing dilemma. Are you f***ing kidding me? I'm losing my mind. It was New York. It was cold. It was Valentine's Day. Like, it's cold.
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Wes, when he threatened to murder all the girls who get his revenge.
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Was Wes on Housewives? I used to skip through the challenges.
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Some of them watch it.
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Do you want to stick around and interview some Love is Blind and Bachelor people or do you want to get out of here?
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Stick around. Do you care about Paige and Craig's breakup at all? Are you following that?
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I'm curious. I really would love your opinion.
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Because I was coming on and I thought, do you think, do you think Rose, yeah, I don't care, are you team Rose or team Carolina?
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There was a group date. Yeah. In between the group date, there was an arbitrary winner, which they often do. And so that girl was Carolina, and she got to dance with Grant in front of the other women on the group date.
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And at the end of the dance, she decided to sit him on a couch, straddle him, and suck his face real hard.
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She cries a lot. She's become the villain of the season. And there's this other girl named Rose.
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Then apparently Carolina and Rose had a conversation. And then at some point, according to Carolina, who went back to Grant and tattled on Rose, Rose said that... Grant told her that he was thinking about Rose when he was dancing with Carolina.
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Rose didn't really remember. She was like, I might have said that.
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And we got a couple slices at this little, like, corner pizza place. So there's not a lot of space. There's no chairs. They have a little bar area against the windows. So we got the pizzas to go. And we took them across the street to the hotel that we were not staying at.
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I just thought it was that. I just said Valentine's.
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The stakes are so much different.
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Well, the stakes are still pretty high and love is blind. Just stick around.
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Great. All right, Cassie's going to stay with us. We have Dave from Love is Blind coming up next, and we'll discuss with him the first three episodes of Love is Blind. I know there's six out right now, but we got Reality Recap on Thursday, so we'll cover the episodes four, five, and six on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap, and the new batch comes out after that, and we'll keep on covering.
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All right, so let's get to Dave. During these cold winter months, there's no better combination for a cozy night in than good company. And it's even better with a delicious bottle of wine. And that's why we are members of First Leaf.
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With First Leaf, not only do we get to enjoy personalized wine just for us, but we get to have fantastic bottles on hand to share with our friends and family or just with ourselves when we like spending so much time together.
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There's so many great selections that First Leaf introduces you to. If you're like me, before I got First Leaf, I was always just buying because of the labels. I really just kind of, I had no idea what I was getting, honestly. But with First Leaf, they're introducing you to some great tasting wines. Like their aromatherapy, they're something unblocked. It has notes of pineapple, honey, grapefruit.
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Either way, it's delicious. I love it. It's my new fave. So many great features about First Leaf, but one of my favorites is they deliver it right to your door and no longer you have to lug heavy wine bottles from the grocery store to your home. They deliver it right there when you need it so you can be ready to enjoy First Leaf when you want it.
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Even for somebody who's not good at math, she knows that's a lot.
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That's tryfirstleaf.com. Spell T-R-Y-F-I-R-S-T-L-E-A-F dot com slash V-I-A-L-L. Tryfirstleaf.com slash V-I-A-L-L.
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We have before several times, so much so that I'm pretty sure the maitre d' or whatever. Concierge. Concierge recognized us. And we pretended to be patrons at the hotel. We ate the pizza inside the lobby while we were warm.
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All the new parents out there, do yourself a favor. Get yourself a Dreamland Baby's weighted sleep sack. It's like a third parent. It's really great.
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Very easy to wash because obviously with new babies, sometimes accidents happen, but you just throw it in the washing machine. No problem. It's ready to go for another amazing night of sleep for your new lovely baby. We couldn't live without it. And you can't either get that Dreamland weighted baby sleep sack.
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Go to dreamlandbabyco.com and enter promo code V-I-A-L-L at checkout to receive 20% off sitewide plus free shipping. This offer is for new and existing customers. Again, that's dreamlandbabyco.com. and enter our code V-I-A-L-L to receive 20% off site-wide plus free shipping. Dave!
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How's it going? Welcome to the show. Are you enjoying the first couple episodes of this season? Are you staying offline? I hope so.
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Okay. Well, I'm assuming you're referring to the stuff they decided to show of yours, specifically probably around some of your jokes that, depending on who you are, landed or didn't land. Do you want to address them? Or probably the 30-year-old women joke probably pissed people off.
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Gotcha. Do you think you can take it as well as you can give it?
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Were there some other jokes on there that you shared that didn't get aired? Maybe some better ones? You're like, ah, they showed that one, but what about this one? This one we were really laughing.
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Who, uh, who else were there anyone that you had dates with that we didn't get to see?
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Thank you.
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It felt adventurous. Yeah. And a little trashy.
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Did you get to know Madison much at all?
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Were you, were you surprised that you started developing feelings?
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I would say for 30-plus years, I just really didn't know it was Valentine's.
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You're only 33. That's what the 30-year-old jokes.
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Well, we have a great show lined up for you momentarily. Our friend, friend of show, Cassie David is joining us. She has a new movie out called I'll Love You Forever that she wrote and directed. It's a great movie. We watched it over the weekend. If you love a good breakup film or just like a very self-aware like relationship movie that kind of like pokes holes, make kind of fun of yourself.
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You just have to wait.
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Do we have any more questions for Dave?
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Uh, Dave, really appreciate your time. I know that, uh, you're, you're at work or you're, you took some time off to talk with us. So I appreciate you taking the time and best of luck the rest of the way. Stay off the internet. Don't read your comments. Uh, and you'll, you'll be just fine, buddy.
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Take care, bud.
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How do you think Dave did?
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Oh, he landed.
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Do you want to talk about Madison? Madison is triggering me. It reminds me of every relationship I had in my 20s, early 30s.
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Well, because, so, Kazzy.
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Madison is dating Alex. Alex, upper left. Yeah, I see him. And Mason. And Mason.
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She's also very open about. Doesn't feel like something you. She's also very open about her trauma. She's like, I've had a lot of shit happen to me. And, like, I can't tell you specifically what, because, you know, we're on camera. But, like, I hope you're okay with knowing I'm fucked up, but I can't tell you exactly how. And Alex's storyline is...
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Handsome guy, but he talks about how growing up he was the ugliest of the uglings, according to himself.
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And he said that he got really bullied. And you really love this guy, right? And so now he's this very sweet, handsome guy, but has this gentle, sweet face.
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But yeah, he could definitely like he could definitely use a girlfriend makeover for sure.
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He's falling in love with Madison. And it like I'm triggered by it because like Alex kind of reminds me of me when I was that age. And Madison reminds me of like every girl I pursued when I was that age. And it's like the person who is just like, I've done some work. So like I'm aware I'm self-aware.
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It's a dark comedy. If you've been in a kind of a love bombing type of relationship, it might be a little triggering for you. It's also has a lot of humor about like this, some of the mistakes that we make in relationships. Anyways, it's really good. Kazzy will be with us. She's also a huge Traders fan. So she'll be talking to some Traders with us as well. Plus we have, who do we got?
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Cause the bachelors, you know, and they can't really question anyone or they can't every season of the bachelorette. There's always like, it's like week three, week four,
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where some guy says something wrong and then she storms in where they're all staying there and she's like listen up motherfuckers if you're not here for the right reason there's the fucking door and everyone's like oh what a queen she's great oh she's serious and like yeah the bachelor's is always like hey guys we just want to be nice to each other and please like well it's like one girl telling on everyone and that in with like a lie and him being like if you guys don't start being nice to her you know i don't know it's just it's hard to watch
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Yeah.
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You found it.
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You know what the best part about that is? That I really laughed. Well, she's behind a screen. She can't see him. But he still wrote down, like, still not attractive. As if, like, she could see him.
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He's like, I'm so still not attractive.
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Get married. I don't care.
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What are their accents? They're from Minneapolis. Minnesota, yeah. It's a lot of don't you know.
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Not the first season, I think.
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So, so stupid. When they propose to each other behind the screen, it's the worst and best moment of TV every season.
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We got Dave from Love is Blind. We got Parisa with us, recently exiled from Bachelor Mansion. She's with us as well.
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it's just like are you standing are you kneeling yes and the guy gets down on the knee and he looks at a wall and he proposes and it's always and then the girl will like go up to the wall and like touch the wall like it's and then after they propose then they have the big reveal where they have to like walk down the hallway and look at the person that they've formed this relationship they're now their fiance and be like did i make a mistake
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It means you're a fuckboy. Like, you're fucking.
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Like, you're not in a relationship. You don't want to be in, like, a movie scene, though. I've never done that with a girlfriend.
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No, Cautious Clay is like, that makes music for sex.
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He brought her some rocks and said, get the fuck out.
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What do I give a fuck? First of all, we all know I can't spell. Yeah, I'm triggered. What did you get for Valentine's Day? Oh, my God. I had this lovely Valentine's Day package, little basket that my wife got me.
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What about those rocks you gave me?
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Imagine mid makeout stops. Hold on. Skip this song. Skip to another one.
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It lasts. It looks great on you. It fits. It's cashmere. Also, starting at $50, you can't beat any of those things. And they just have like a bunch of unique pieces that you just can't find anywhere else. And it always feels like when I'm shopping at stores, you know, and I go out, it's always like the same thing at different stores. Not with Quince.
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But when you were single and out there slinging it, you had a playlist. And then now that you're in love, you're just like, you don't.
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What'd you do?
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How did Pitbull end up on your playlist?
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It was just music.
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Yeah.
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I think Rose leaving means I was right.
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But that still means that she said and did something she knew she shouldn't have done. And Carolina definitely threw her under the bus and definitely screwed her over and is definitely the messiest of the group for sure.
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And that to me is like, OK, we're clearly saying that they were crying like in solidarity at the end of this episode.
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100%.
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We need a name for Leah's family.
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Chaos Leos.
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Do we know exactly what she said?
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Can we argue about Paige and Craig before Kazia gets here?
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I don't remember it specifically, so I do think context matters. I do think sometimes in that world, the house, the bully, will go after anyone who's not saying, I'm deeply in love with the lead, like week two.
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Anyone who's demonstrating any like, hey, we'll see, and I still want to get to know someone, and I want to take my time, and yada, yada, yada, is sometimes portrayed by the house as not being grateful for being there,
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Well, Leah. Leah has.
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You don't, Leah? You think all of Carolina's tears are 100% genuine and authentic?
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You're going to agree with whatever Paige does regarding it. Okay, that's fair. As long as you point that out.
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Yes and no. Again, I think it's splitting hairs. I always get annoyed. And I was kind of that person on Andy's season. I was like, I don't know. I'll get to know her. I had early attention, so I liked her earlier. But like... As soon as I was like, my villain edit started when people were like, he's ungrateful. You know, he's on a date and like, he's not sure about her yet.
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I'm like, that's because I just went on this. Like, I don't know. Yeah. Like, literally, I've never spent more than 12 minutes with her. Right. And that and this has happened multiple seasons like that. That narrative gets used against people sometimes.
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But Carolina is going on a date, complaining about the date, saying things like, I didn't even want, like kind of throwing a fit, like saying things that she's not grateful to have that date. That's different than someone saying, I had an amazing time with this person. I love what I've gotten to know. I have more questions.
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Okay.
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I'm not in love yet. And sometimes the I'm not in love yet has been weaponized against people in that house. But that doesn't seem like what Carolina is doing.
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Anyways, for those of you people who don't know, at the end of last week, Sierra from Summer House, also Traders, went on Watch What Happens Lives with Lindsay Hubbard to promote Summer House. And on that appearance, Sierra, I don't know if she dealt like she had pages back, which Sierra having pages back. I love that. I love that she's loyal to her friend. She's a ride or die. She's a girl's girl.
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Wasn't it a little dramatic, though, for Rose to have her panic attack?
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I need to go at this point. I still agree with Cassie. Rose, if nothing else, she was foolish.
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Yeah, she shouldn't have trusted her. The more I'm watching Carolina, the more I'm wondering if Rose has got...
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She got duped by someone playing a more sophisticated game.
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We're only working with the information we have in front of us. Yeah.
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I'm team Latia. Whoever, like the fact that she was voicing concern over Carolina.
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That's kind of all I needed to hear.
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Latia seems like she doesn't, she really, who knows? But she gives like above the drama. Yeah. But if, you know, if you ask her her opinion, she'll give an honest answer. Yeah.
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I agree. It's I don't have a good read on his like favorites.
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She just she's there to have her friends back. So that much I do get. But she doubled down on the Craig is supposed to have Paige's back. He's supposed to deny these rumors about Paige. And she claimed that he's milking her. And then we watched the Summer House premiere. And at the end of that, which giving like a season preview, they pick up cameras. We don't know when they pick up cameras.
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How are you feeling after your... Well, you haven't watched it yet. We know. We've seen it. Yeah. You're kicked out. You're exiled from Madrid.
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understand and um but no i'm doing i'm doing very well thank you for asking you're selling you like you're saying you understand and uh and i'm and i'm i mean this with all the love in the world like like you don't really mean it like you really want to say this is bullshit i shouldn't have gone home no no i um i had this mindset all the
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Like you wish you would have got more involved or you regret getting involved?
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Where did you land? Were you team Rose or team Carolina?
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But clearly after they broke up and these rumors started circulating. And you have Paige making an accusation on camera. I'm not sure to exactly who.
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Do you think Carolina is like sabotaged your time?
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that she caught Craig texting two bitches, as she said, at some point during their relationship. And then we watched Summer House, and then Sierra's still mad at West for their situation. Which, I think that just makes Sierra a really good friend. Because she's going out of her way to have Paige's back, at the risk of kind of, like, being a hypocrite.
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So definitely Team Rose. It sounds like your team rose.
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You strike me as someone who before you came on, you seemed like a little like you were kind of the sassy one. You had the PowerPoint, you know, and now you're like afraid to ruffle. You're like you're afraid to ruffle feathers.
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Oh, my God. So many things. I had this really nice sweater shirt that Natalie asked. You know, when Natalie says, do you want to open a gift early? That means I should ask to open a gift early because she wanted me to wear it for our interview. We went to New York over the weekend to do an interview, our Going Deeper guest this week. Alessia Cara. Very excited about that.
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Are we going to see you on the beaches of paradise? If you get asked, will you say yes?
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Bachelor in Paradise is fun, but I don't know if I would go there, like, for a husband.
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Ashley and Jared.
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Aware of their success stories.
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How much success they've had. Well, thank you so much for your time. Sorry it ended so shortly. And maybe we'll see you on the beaches of paradise.
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All right. Take care.
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She's like she had a an on camera romance, a situationship, if you will. Definitely some hurt feelings. She seems to be really upset that West ultimately decided he didn't like her. Not that West didn't do things he that maybe he could have been more sensitive and more caring. We understand that. But like, you know,
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It sounds like she really hated Carolina and didn't want to say it.
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Summer House. Summer House looks like it's going to be entertaining.
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I don't know, but Natalie makes a great point, and it's a great question, and it's one that has no good answer. It's one thing to show up pregnant, and our last memory is you ending a relationship with your fiancé who's also on the show, and obviously very compelling TV if I'm the Bravo producers. I'm doing everything I can to make sure Lindsay shows up with baby in the oven to confront Carl.
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Next summer... She has a child.
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And every Sunday, Thursday through Sunday, she's just going to peace out. Guest house.
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We're not asking. This is not like a round table of like, how do we figure this out? How can Lindsay execute?
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Yes, of course she can do it.
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She can bring her kid to the Kyle DJ house or, like, every weekend. Also, again, like, I don't know what Lindsay, how Lindsay enjoys or, like, I don't know what Lindsay's relationship with her child or what motherhood's been like for Lindsay. I have no idea.
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You're right. Paige did it all the time. In the context of a working woman, but the problem with this show is Bravo just obsessively likes to pretend this isn't their job. You know, that this is a choice of people just like for whatever reason getting together and they're friends and they just, every Thursday night, drive out to the house and party like fucking rock stars and drive back.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Same as Paige and Craig. But what we do know is that Craig and Paige dated for three years and Wes and Sierra never were even boyfriend and girlfriend. And if you're going to accuse Craig of milking a breakup, then, you know, it comes across a bit hypocritical that you're still like upset about a situationship that didn't didn't go the way you want it.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
And Bravo wants to, like, critique Carl about, like, Lindsay. Lindsay literally lecturing Carl about not having a job and he needs a job, all pretending that he's not a TV star and that this isn't his job. Mm-hmm. And to Natalie's point, Bravo Nation kind of buys into this narrative for the most part. They're just like, what is your job? Because it's not a TV star.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
And so the optics are just fucking brutal. And even for the working ladies out there, yeah, it's a tough choice that every woman and every parent has to face of a very difficult challenge if they have a job that takes them away from their kid potentially three to four days out of the week. That's hard on any parent and any child.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
She's in a tough pickle to like, it's not an easy choice for Lindsay. It's just not an easy choice.
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She was dating Brooklyn Beckham.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Regardless of like that. But like Brooklyn Beckham is like a Beckham. it's like Hollywood royalty in a way. She's dating UK royalty. Listen, no disrespect to Jessie, love Jessie, but us reality TV stars don't get the same clout.
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And the hottest man alive. One of the most sought after celebrities in the past
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How is Sierra and Lexi going to get along?
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Because you have two just like very traditionally like beautiful women by like anyone's standards, both like seemingly successful models. And so far, Sierra has like.
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This is giving all the makings of Wes and Sierra from last season. Like Jesse's in love. He's obsessed with her. He's like out there. I'm going to marry this girl. Episode one. He's like, I'm going to date this girl.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
First day or not, but at some point, Jesse's going to continue to get to know Lexi, and I'm sure, like everyone, he's going to learn some things he likes and some things he doesn't like. Right now, he's just obsessed with how hot she is.
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But doesn't care.
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Still wants to sleep with her.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Yeah, but what was she really mad at? She was mad at that West saying, and he said this on our show as well, that he didn't really see a future with her.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
But like, but why is Sierra going to fight with her? Is that the big question?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Guys fight over women too. Like,
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Yeah, he's just getting his confidence back. Forget about his swagger. He's just getting his mental health back.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
I mean, fine. Again, she has hurt feelings. She has the right to have hurt feelings. But Craig has hurt feelings.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Do you think Jesse and Lexi will be together at the end of the season?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Do you think either of them will feel a certain way about it?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Do you think Lexi will be very upset with Jesse?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
It's going to be just like last season.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Can you imagine being 4 years old and needing a pet on the back for being in bed by 2 a.m.?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
It is progress. I'm not criticizing any relationship aspect of it. I'm just like blown away that a 40-year-old has the desire...
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
To party is that hard.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
I'm just saying Paige and Sierra operate like when they're upset and when they're hurt, everyone's supposed to, you know, they're justified to have their feelings. And according to them, when it's the other way around, they're milking it. How is that a bit hypocritical?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
That's not on him, though. In his defense, sometimes when one person leaves the party, the other guys are like, well, maybe we should just go.
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Gotcha.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
A pair of pants she has.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Okay.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
There's plenty of clothes.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Let's just be clear.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Southern Charm.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
I'm just reminded of just how unserious most of these guys are, but in particular Shep.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Do you think he's playing into it? No.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Yeah, he really fucked up with Taylor.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
I need space.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
We've changed so much. When you have to remind your girlfriend that you've changed together and she's like, ew.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
But that's almost, like, the problem with this for Shep is it's, like, you know, he's been used to being, like, his kind of, like, I don't get it, like, his aloofness. At times, it can be, like, almost charming, and it really has charmed the pants out of a lot of people.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
But, like, the problem is he's now, how old, 40?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
he's he is like the trust fund baby version he's 44 right and so like and it's just like yeah in a relationship that uh like unserious person is like what you saw with with taylor where it's just like nothing was that serious anytime she wanted to have a serious conversation it was like what's the big deal like nothing was serious like and that's gotta feel so fucking frustrating
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
in a relationship with someone at this point of his in his life like i love the way shep craig and austin take care of each other like it really is charming like that friendship those three guys like that is something special that they have it does evolve though and they do need to grow up and like you really see shep in this like stage of his life where you have craig trying his ass to grow up like trying his best to grow up like we'll see if he continues to do so after like post page life
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Austin, not so much. Shep, I don't know, somewhere in between. But yeah, he's just kind of an unserious person that I think is really starting to catch up with him at this stage of his life. Because it's kind of getting to the point where it's just like, bro, you kind of have to be... You're 44. Be serious about something, about anything. Pick something. Be a little serious about something.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
And he's just so unserious about everything.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Taylor fucking died. when she realized that she wasn't into Shep, his girlfriend. Sienna. Sienna?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Because, like, first she was, like, she thought she was, like, having his new girlfriend's back.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
You're like, oh.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
And then Austin and Craig were like, no, honestly, she's playing him for a fool. And then when she realized that, like, Shep's chasing this girl, she died inside. You could tell. It, like, broke her.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
When is Shep getting healed, though?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Shep needs to, like, yeah. Honestly, Shep needs to get broken. He needs to be broke by somebody, like a girl, a woman.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
He needs to be willing to be serious about something and vulnerable about something.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
He's rich.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Yeah, so that's where it checks out. She lives in the Bahamas and is matching with people in South Carolina. Or goes to parties with all the rich men.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Well, that's why she didn't change in front of Shep. She didn't want Gam Gam to see her watching Naked Man on camera.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Yeah, but like, get off my TV screen. I don't need your self-awareness or I don't care about mom or grandma. Like if you're not here to play fucking, this is the pros. This is reality TV. This is ABC The Bachelor. This is Bravo.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Yeah. Not a fan of Shep.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
All right, well, thank you guys for listening, and thank you to our guests, Kazzy David, David from Love is Blind, and Parisa from The Bachelor. We are back tomorrow for an amazing episode of Going Deeper with Alessia Cara. She has her new album out, Love and Hyperbole.
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It's a great album, but we have an even better conversation with her about just what she's been up to, kind of her break from music that she's taken, why she's back. her music in general. Just a lovely human being and an even better conversation. That is tomorrow on Going Deeper. And then on Thursday of Reality Recap, we have Denise Richards and Chrishell Staus joining us.
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Denise talking about her new hit show on Bravo. Chrishell talking about her exit from Traders. That and so much more. We'll see you all then. Bye.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Just out of curiosity, why does Paige get Craig's benefit of the doubt? And I only ask this because, like, my perception of this breakup is that Paige, at some point, thought she outgrew Craig. And this is evidenced by, like, comments that she's made or just, like, comments she's liked online, you know? Like...
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Alessia had a new album drop on Valentine's Day. Her album Love and Hyperbole is out. It's an amazing album. Anyways, we got to sit down with her. Alessia, obviously she won a Grammy back in like 2017-ish, something around that. She's had a very great career. She's been kind of quiet lately and kind of like under the radar lately.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
this insinuation that Paige is kind of like wants more someone who's more like in line with her or certainly more compatible with her. And that's fine. We outgrow people. We move on. We fall out of love. That's totally fine. But usually when that happens and I'm not accusing Paige of anything, but sometimes you have a bit of a wondering eye.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
When you feel like you've outgrown a relationship, you kind of start looking around. And again, like that's just human nature. Again, that's not mean she did anything wrong. That's just like a human thing. And then they break up at some point. And then some point recently after, she seems to be start dating some guy.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Now there's rumors going around about that relationship, how that ended and blah, blah, blah. We're not going to, they're all unverified. But if you're Craig and you start hearing these rumors about, you know, and all of a sudden you get broken up with and it feels like out of the blue and then you start hearing rumors about maybe people have been talking ahead of time.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Like, why should why should Craig go out of his way to, like, say with 100 percent certainty that he knows Paige didn't do anything? How does he know that? You know what I'm saying? Like, sure, like her, you know, oh, of course she would never do that. Listen, when like most people who get cheated on, when it happens, they think this could never happen to them.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
And they think the person who did it would never do it to them. So now that their relationship's over and she's moved on and she's holding hands with some other guy and seeming really close with another guy, which I'm sure to Craig, even if it's been a few months, feels really early. Why should Craig go out of his way to like have her back?
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And how does he know with absolute certainty that she didn't do anything?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Paige knows exactly what she's doing too. She's a very smart, very sophisticated person. So you can't accuse Craig of being calculated and Paige not. When Paige picks up cameras and on camera, after like saying she would never talk bad about Craig, talks bad about Craig and accuses him of cheating.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
You know, I just again, if two people have the right to break up, but like Paige is operating as if she assumes her audience and her fans are going to have her back. And she's kind of acting like she should not in any like when you break up with someone, you break someone's heart. You're kind of the bad guy. You're their bad guy.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
it's not she's not a bad guy but like he has the right to be upset with her and if anyone's a fan of Craig's because this is a public relationship and they both have fans like they're allowed to have Craig's back and Paige is kind of operating like you know she didn't do anything wrong and again I don't think she did anything wrong per se but she is kind of
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Yeah, took a little break from music. Anyway, she's back, better than ever, and we got to sit down with her. So that is our Going Deep around Wednesday. But anyways, we were in New York, and I got to wear my Valentine's Day gift. Now I got flowers when we got back from New York.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She could have come. She could have came. But we've been obviously traveling so much. We've been going and going and going. And I am representing the family.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah. We have an amazing episode lined up for you. The one and only, truly one and only, Carolyn from Traders is with us, as well as Taylor Green from Southern Charm. They are both with us this episode. It's wild, wacky, and fun. Carolyn, wild stuff. So we recorded the Carolyn bit last week.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We did go out of town and basically last week at some time, the day we were leaving town, a member of the household here, Zach, has some connections with the Survivor franchise. Carolyn famously has been part of that franchise. And so we were there some back and forth. We're trying to get Carolyn on. She wasn't like in the right space at that point to do the interview.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And then like the day of when we were flying out, Carolyn was flying to LA. And then we found out that Carolyn decided that she wanted to come on the show. And there was like a 10 minute window between like when I had to go to the airport and when Carolyn was like a, you know, We had Zach go pick her up at the airport and try to get her in. So that's later this episode.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I had like 10 minutes to talk with Carolyn and then Justin and Sierra graciously finished that interview. So that is later this episode. She is, she's something.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I can see why she did very well, because you really don't know if she's doing a bit or... What's going to come out of her mouth next. Or what's going to come out of her mouth next. She really keeps you on your toes. It's a wild and wacky, fun interview. And again, we have Taylor on. Speaking of thinking it was a bit...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
it's come to our attention a couple weeks ago we pointed out that we were surprised you know obviously you guys know where we land in the Justin and Blake situation yada yada and a lot of like big names people have like haven't really most people just haven't spoken up about it but like a lot of like the bigger names in Hollywood haven't but like Whitney Cummings was someone who
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's like, it didn't even award show anymore. I mean, Nikki brought it back in the best possible way, so.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I thought was Team Justin because I saw something on X of her saying that Blake and Ryan were the most obnoxious people in Hollywood. It's come to my attention by people close to the situation.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Sources say that apparently she is Team Blake and not Team Justin. And that the video that I saw, I guess, was a bit. I don't know. Didn't seem like a bit to me, but art is subjective.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But good to know that Whitney Cummings is on Team Blake. So we were wrong.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We have one other person on our side. So that's good to know. I harshly said that Whitney would be embarrassed when she realizes, you know, what the truth, well, what I think is the truth. But it turns out she already is. So our bad. Our bad. My bad.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Do you want to say why? Um, Do you have a reason?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Moving on. Anyways, Whitney, I personally am sorry for not realizing it was a bit and glad to have at least one other person on our side.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick. And I'm really pissed that Demi Moore didn't win an Oscar. I felt like, you know, here's the thing about Oscars. Like, I get it. Like, they're like a one-off situation.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I mean, listen, before YouTube, though, like child actors, we've all heard all the horrific stories about Hollywood and child actors. And obviously there's a lot of bad actors in Hollywood in terms of people who parents, good parents, thought their kids were safe and they weren't.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But there's also like a lot of parents out there who like thrust their kids into this space, pushed them into it and kind of were like, you know, dance moms.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Is this the people at the economy trying to be different?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Also, to be clear, like this this story, I mean, her abuse was far beyond making her kids like record something they weren't in the mood to record. It was like real terror, terrible, horrific abuse.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Literally have never heard of the movie.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I hear you, and I'm sure he has regrets, and I hope at a minimum he has regrets, but how do you... He's weak.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That's a weak person. And like, yeah, we all have regrets. And there's a lot of moments in our lives where we like reflect back and go, I could have said something. I should have stood up. I could have, I don't know, your own kids.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Your kids. Are you fucking, I mean.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What is with hot, you know, I've seen this before with super hot people. Friend, Dean Uglert. Also, you may know him, another very beautiful man. Sometimes you just look at Dean and go, wow, God really took more time on you. And I think Dean was, is, was, I don't know. I haven't seen Dean in person in a while. So hot that like, he would be like, I don't shower much.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And I don't know if it was like, are you like, are you trying to like be a little more grimy because you're so pretty or...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
There wasn't.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Who doesn't want to shower?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
First of all, there's a couple of flaws in that statement. He's opting for chlorine on his body. Then soap is if soap is some sort of like unnecessary product to put on his skin.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like that's the go to. Is he also is he using soap in the pool or is it again just he's relying on the chemicals? And like, what is so inconvenient about a hot, steamy, warm shower? No one's expecting you to go in there for 20 or 30 minutes. It's like rinse the fuck off and rub like, you know, pit pit groin.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I guess if you both sign off of it, you're both like, hey, listen.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Have Dylan and Rob from Love Island gotten together?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
have Dylan and Rob from oh no I feel like I thought you were talking about Boston Rob for a second very beautiful people catching snakes you know really outdoorsy boys like love to get in the mud you know like 100% that's what I said Dylan needs like a girl that wants to like hike 10 miles to get proposed to that could never so pretty but ironically don't like showers I just got the pool
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Because people are stupid. Because there's more than just one actor who made that movie. That's just one person who...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Why do they rearrange?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
So like the, you know, cause the part where she goes up to his door and he's like, no camera. And he was like, wait, I have a girlfriend. She feels like the editing made it seem like she knew that. And she's like showing up to his hotel room in the middle of the night for like a. And that's the story that she told us where she was like straddling him being like,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
JJ's the worst.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He's so shmarmy.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I don't even know what the definition is, but he is it.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No, no, no. Editors, especially since they rearranged scenes, obviously, what's the reason why? They have to tell a story.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That's what she's saying. That happens all the time in reality TV. And sometimes they're not even that serious. Like, on Special Forces, when I was there, like, they rearranged, like, when I got hypothermia and when I didn't. And me personally, I was like, oh, that doesn't make sense. The viewer doesn't give a shit. But, like, that was more like Bodhi's episode.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
i thought it was the director now no it was just it was best song there's a lot of criticisms about amelia perez outside of the carla sofia gascon oh of it all there's my only criticism is really like i just want to start hearing of more movies that are actually talked about at the oscars as opposed to like we know about wicked it does feel like it's the same like three movies that just like keep winning and keep talking about it and keep
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And I think just storytelling around Bodhi and him going home.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
yeah but for someone working in editing they don't go fuck like it's it's all they're just editing what I'm saying they're telling a story it wasn't JT's fault this specific instance she's like they painted it in a way that storyline then said I was a homer I think JT seems to be have a little bit more pull and like the fact that he said no cameras I'm just saying it's not impossible that like he got his way and Benita didn't like why did they do that what was his way just not having cameras in the room
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
making it seem like, you know, Vanita is like telling this version of the story that he kind of hid the fact that he had a girlfriend from her and like leaned into this friendship slash like situationship. Are they, aren't they going to, is something going to happen? Like she had no idea. And then all of a sudden, like she shows up on camera and,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
if you know he has a girlfriend he's like immediately like oh shit clearly it gave to me he's been like doing shit with venita like in a certain way telling one version to his girlfriend telling another version of producers in venita and like when she showed up like that like yeah they if this is how it was edited it paints her in a shitty light where then he can go back to his girlfriend and been like all right fuck she just showed up my fucking door you know
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I mean, I don't know about the analogy, but it's just more like you're kryptonite. You can't beat this person in this particular match. I understand. Dorit's going through a divorce. She kind of is like, you know, what's a common phrase? Like, don't pick a fight with someone who has nothing to lose.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And Dorit is giving like, I don't give a fuck anymore. My life's crumbling around me. My relationships are all in flux. Fuck it. Playing nice and trying to be everyone's friend only got her bullied from her cast. So if you're Dorit, who gives a fuck? And when Dorit says things like, if I go down a higher level, I'll eviscerate her.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
you know, but Dorit like believes in that because Dorit absolutely thinks Sutton has a drinking problem. And like, listen, I'm not an expert, but when Sutton goes on podcasts and start talking about like her, like waking up at 10 and then like drinking throughout the day, every day, like, I don't know, that's giving, you know,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
high consumption and like yeah like she probably could go pretty fucking low and i'm guessing if she does often show up and inebriated there maybe have been moments that like quite honestly didn't make the cutting room floor and things like that and i bet like dorit is is fully like stocked up on like insults she has chosen not to share you know and i think it's one of those things where like sutton doesn't recognize her problem doesn't see her problem and clearly it's a very triggering topic for her and
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And it seems like Sutton, Garcelle, and some of these other women on her cast just have been so used to getting away with like punching down Dorit.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah. That's very Hannibal Lecter. I think there's a difference between housewives bickering in a way, which we love. We're really getting into the season. I think this season really is delivered. We're getting into some real personal shit that is triggering for these ladies. And it just seems like, again, Dorit's life is being exposed. We're talking about a divorce.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We're speculating on what PK is doing. It's a major storyline of the season. And Sutton refuses anything.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
to even suggest anything about her you know what I'm saying like the rules for Sutton don't fucking go there don't do that meanwhile Dorit's life is on full display Dorit has nothing to lose so I get it makes a lot of sense it's kind of like keep picking a fight with this person who really doesn't give a fuck and yeah she's poking the bear she's poking the bear but like I don't know
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's even the more obscure, you know, it's just like, I don't know, Adrian Brody won another Oscar for essentially playing the same role that he won an Oscar for 20 years ago. And in between the 20 years, we've only seen him in some random cameos. He's had a very interesting career. He was in Succession. Yeah, he had a bit in Succession.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Dorit's in her house with the gals over talking about her son, like, you know, asking if her and dad are going to get a divorce. And whether it was a producer or Sutton came up with it on her own, Sutton like dismissed her and like didn't give a fuck. And like when Sutton is dismissive, she can be incredibly dismissive. And then she puts her down about her like finances and things like that.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But of course they would ask Sutton instead of asking Bose, you know, to like... But yeah, but if that's the case, Sutton could easily just be like, hey, listen, I'm really sorry about that. She did that. No.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That's not a... No, that's a dismissive, I'm sorry, fuck you, you don't matter. It wasn't like that. Hey, listen, I know what divorce is like. I mean, I don't know. Sutton seems like she's loved divorce. She...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She does. Yeah. There's a lot of people who think they're better than other people, and sometimes they are. But Sutton's I'm better than you. A lot of it seems to come from her wealth. And her wealth doesn't come from her. And I think it's just a bit eye-rolly when your biggest flex is something that you married into.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And then when you put people down for not being in that position, it's just kind of... Okay. Okay.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's interesting because like Garcelle, like, you know, really close with Sutton Garcelle. I mean, you know, it's just a level of privilege with all these women. But like, you know, Garcelle has busted her ass, really worked up, built her aura.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
own empire really worked for this beach house which is beautiful and obviously I'm sure very expensive but like it sure seems like Garcelle has to hustle in a way that Sutton doesn't and I would be it would be interesting to see I'm curious how Garcelle felt about that comment knowing that like she has to like hustle in ways that like Sutton the way Sutton spoke you it would almost it was a shot at anyone I feel like I guess what I'm saying is Garcelle's financial situation might be more in line with Dorit's rather than Sutton's
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
which is which is like probably like super privileged but maybe not like making a half a million dollars a month carcel hates to read too so i'm sure she was like touche yeah i think she hates to read but she could hate to read and still feel like a certain way about like son's comments sometimes your friends say something and like it's not meant towards you but you're like what do they think about me then
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He had a role as a bad guy in one of the seasons of Peaky Blinders. You know? It's like,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Love is Blind. I stand by it.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I know. What do you... No.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I think... Don't switch up now. I'm not switching up. Two things can be true at the same time. I don't think Lauren did anything wrong, to be clear. I don't. I don't think she did anything wrong in the court of like, I don't know. She had a right to do whatever she wants. I do think also Dave scapegoated this situation in some ways. I think Dave scapegoated his family.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I think he constantly blamed it on his sister. My sister this, my friends this, my sister this. When like a lot of times he was, there were times where he was like kind of trying to tell Lauren the truth. You know, there was a time where he went to Lauren and said, well, if my family really wanted to come, they would show up for me.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And then all of a sudden it was like, but like, they don't want to come. So like, okay, Dave, like clearly you told them not to come. Mm-hmm. I just think, like, again, like, when you find out, like, Lauren finally admitted that she, like, had sex with this guy, like, a week before. Two weeks. Two weeks, a week, whatever. It doesn't matter.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I don't care if you're a man or a woman, gay, straight, non-binary, trans. It doesn't matter. Like, I just think there's a difference between sex positivity and, like, fact that, like, sex has consequences. And you can pretend they don't have consequences all you want. But, like, all people... feel a certain way about sex and it fucks with your feelings.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And I think this is a classic case of just because your feelings got hurt doesn't mean the other person did anything wrong. I think Lauren feels judged. I think she feels hurt by the situation. But listen, I think if anyone showed up for this this crazy experience. And keep in mind, these people are getting engaged and then they get married. And yes, they know what they signed up for.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But for any two people to join this experiment and end up in marriage, everything has to line up. Everything has to work out. You really are taking a huge leap of faith. And even when you say, I do, you know very little about someone. So like, Whether she did anything wrong or not, him finding this out is something that is going to really potentially rattle his cages.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I wish he would just own it, say it with his chest and just be like, listen, I don't know. Like, I just wasn't expecting this. And like, I can't get, I can't say I do. with this information.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It sounds very Adrian Brody.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He's very serious about himself.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No, but, like, the reason, like, I think if you, like, using our, like, our ethnic language, but, like, it takes time to build an emotional connection. Like, couples who, like, get through shit or, like, adversity of any kind, it's because there's a foundation. There's, like, a rapport there. These people don't have any of that, right? They don't have a foundation of trust.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
They haven't been through anything together. So, like, she, Lauren did what she did. She had the right to do whatever she wanted, but, like, you know, but that's the point is this other guy, maybe he's a, you know, a clout chaser, say whatever you want about him. But like, clearly he felt a certain way about Lauren.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And when she got out of the bubble, like reached out to her being like, Hey, are you with someone? Are you not someone? He wanted to keep it going. He liked her. He, He felt a certain way about her. So for her to be like, it's meaningless, it's nothing, maybe to her, but she got herself. She made choices. She got herself in a situation.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Sex has consequences, whether you like it or not, whether you're positive about sex or not. It affects people's feelings. And he handled it poorly. And I think he's kind of a weak sauce for blaming his sister and blaming his family. But I still... don't fault him for like not being able to just dismiss all his friends or like, and yeah, I think he was weak about it,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She caught it.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He threw it.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But like marriage, I think it would be foolish for anyone in his shoes to say I do to someone who is like, oh, yeah, by the way, I did have a hookup after they got engaged to like details of the story came out after his friends brought this up.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like, again, this is not like he didn't want to marry her. Like, that's not a crime.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Fine. But like, I think for anyone to act like and again, I don't care if it's a man woman. I don't care about your sexuality. Like people hooking up like people have a certain feeling about it. It's a it's a it's one of the most intimate connections two people can have.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
How would you feel about it?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Listen, I'm not saying, like, Dave is right. I'm just saying my feelings about Lauren's choices, like...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And that's just because it's Dave or because you don't think there's any way that if you guys, well, if he really loved her, he would marry her. It's just like he barely knows her.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You're right. You have that. That is if he really liked her and like this was fucking him up and he was like, listen, I just can't marry you in two weeks with this going in my head. But I do really like you. And like, I don't really care about the sex. It's just like this really, I don't know, threw me off because it wasn't what I. Yes, he didn't do that. He did not handle it well at all.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I don't remember that moment. Can we bring it up? But regardless, I'm assuming Adrienne wasn't dating the same person. What? So like if, let's say 10 years ago, I'm in a different relationship. And then, I don't know, was Holly Berry married then?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I think I'm making this point just because it's like clearly we're looking at these genders. And I think if it was flipped around, it would be like you remember you. You don't. But I don't know. Did you watch Hannah Brown season?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You remember Jed?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
At the end of the season. And he had like the girlfriend and the girl waiting by the decks. And I don't know if they were hooking up or not. But like his version is it wasn't that serious. And her version was. It was, it was exactly the same flipped around and Bachelor Nation crucified him, lost their shit. How dare him? How dare he have some blah, blah, blah, this thing.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And he was just like, he had this girl, he was hooked. I don't know what was going on. Now she's married to Hannah Brown's brother. So I forget about that as the best part, but like there was some sort of history going on there. And like he went on a show, forgot she existed. You know, when you're in the outside world, she's like, I guess in six weeks.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And then like he found himself engaged in a relationship kind of unexpected, didn't handle it that well. And then like was crucified for it. And now like now it's the exact same situation, but reversed, different show. And like all I'm saying, it's like you either have a problem with it or you don't.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
So you didn't have a problem with Jed?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Oh, that was part... The blonde guy.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He was the ultimate villain.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But at the time, you thought Jed was being treated unfairly?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yes, that was a much bigger storyline.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That's a completely different situation. Okay. That was like you have to wait before marriage.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
This is not like debating the semantics of a hookup partner and then going on a love competition show. And that's all... That's what this conversation is about and that's what the whole Jed and Hannah...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
situation was the idea it's just like I don't know he probably didn't expect to fall in love with Hannah maybe didn't even expect to get cast on the show and was foolish and like sloppy with the fact that he was hanging out with this girl and trying to have his cake and eat it too and like enjoying who this girl's company and then went on a show and
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
and didn't know what the show, like when I went on the show the first time when I was at work and everyone's like, are you gonna fall in love? And I rolled my eyes like, of course not. I'm just doing a show. And then like, obviously I got caught up in the whole moment. Like it's a bizarre, crazy fucking world. And I don't expect, I didn't think Lauren expected to fall in love.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And I don't know what Dave expected either. And I don't fault Lauren. I'm just saying like, listen, she could have been a little more careful and she could have been a little bit more prepared to like go on a show that she watched as a fan and saw all the other storylines and things like that. And she didn't and whatever, that's fine. No big deal. But like, Again, it has consequences.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
So like, let's say if I were single, if I were single 10 years ago, and then my co-star, I don't know what this, let's say I kissed someone.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And like the fact that we know what Dave thinks and know, you know, it's just because he handled it poorly. I just think, yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Oh, he definitely was. It was very much like that.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She is the most toxic person in the world.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
With the pink hair? Forget about the pink hair, whatever.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I thought the hair looked good. Yeah. Let's not shame people who want to get a little fun with their hair.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She's dangerous. She's out there like not in throwing just below like serious accusations of like he's a piece of shit and blah, blah, blah. And like making a like throwing out accusations about like what he said about Mason, all because like she didn't get picked.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I guess apparently he kissed her at the Oscars.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
There's a lot of like nice fuck-bys you present as the good guys who aren't. I mean, no one's more like triggered by those types of people. But like, Alex is not that guy. Alex is literally just the... No, it's Dave.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Dave is the guy who thinks he's funny. He's not funny.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Mary, I know your dad's a pastor. Does he ever video it in?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Listen, your religion is your religion. I grew up Catholic. And listen, my religion has its flaws. We are aware of my religion's flaws. But like, you know, Justin grew up Catholic.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I went home to Savannah a couple years ago with Natalie, and it was like, I don't know, some baptism, I don't know, something. She took me to a service. It was a Christian, lovely people there. Very commercialized, yes. There was a band on stage, very much like this. Then there was a big screen, and then they pressed play.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And there was a sermon and I'm sorry, like, listen, maybe this is a Catholic in me, but like if, if my pastor is showing up in a hoodie and true religion jeans, and he's on a video screen, what can this man tell me about God that I don't already know? I'm not at church.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like, no, my dad just go to a Starbucks and be like, what do you think about Jesus?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But, like, sometimes it really feels like there should be some sort of, like, consideration for, like, the actor and their career.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He couldn't even be there?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
that's hard yeah it's hard the young pastor couldn't even show up he's bringing his girlfriend to like his big thing you know like I'm a father of Christ that's true and it's like the big reveal was like the big reveal a guy in a hoodie on a TV screen when I saw that it truly sent a chill up my spine I will say I respect her though she's like you know what I'll be there like for the holidays for the special events but like you know I don't know if this is for me
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm not mocking your religion. I am mocking the people who are too fucking lazy to show up and look nice and talk about their Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. If you look like you just got a coupon from the Gap, I don't need you talking to me about... I like Gap.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It was a sleepover.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I hated the prenup conversation between Devin and Virginia.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No, he did, but it made it seem so dark and kind of icky about it. I don't have a problem with Virginia asking her at all. I wish... Listen, if you want to make a relationship of any kind work, especially a marriage, it's about... Now and I don't know what each other is going to do two years from now. Like one day I could wake up and just stop giving a shit.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
How pissed would you be if like 10 years ago, someone who I worked with in the past decided like they get dibs because like at one point 10 years ago, we did a bit.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I could stop like waking up every day and making like my wife and my kid and my family a top priority. People do that all the fucking time. And like to make a relationship work, it goes way further than just saying I do. And like we're saying a bunch of promises the day you get married.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You like every day kind of have to almost internally renew your vows to yourself and your partner and show up for them. And a lot of people stop showing up. And like, if you have something to lose, especially marrying someone you don't really know, you have like Devin and like, I don't fault him because I get where he's coming from.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But I wish it was articulated in a way that it's like, well, what am I supposed to say to my family when they ask? Like, no one plans to get divorced.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
you know, but like no one plans for their partner to like become a different person or lose interest or like have like a weird, like middle-aged kind of like a crisis or whatever, or like, you know, some past trauma from their life, like sneaks up on them that they haven't resolved. I don't fucking know. Yeah. But like,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And 50 years ago, people literally didn't get divorced. You were like ostracized from your community if you got divorced. So you just like muscled through life, miserable and just had a secret life. Now you don't have to do that. So if you believe in divorce and I'm assuming Devin in Virginia, I don't mean believe because everyone's like, I'm never going to get divorced, but like,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But like, don't say it's not a possibility if like you're not like somehow legally not allowed to do it. You know, like clearly it's an option. It's not an option you want to consider. You want to do everything in your power to avoid that for sure. Of course.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It only is invoked if if the unforeseeable happens. That is literally what it's all about. And the way that's framed is if like she's going into this planning on getting a divorce. No, she is doing this because she's like, if you fucking change, motherfucker, if you do some shit that I don't know about. What's last season, Ashley?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And it's also maybe arguably the most beautiful woman ever in the world.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
came in here and rode for her guy, her husband, and rode for him and all these other rumors out there about kids and we still don't even know the truth and she told everyone to shut the fuck up and I know my man and now all of a sudden they're getting fucking divorced. Mm-hmm.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And I don't know if there's a prenup, but, like, she trusts in someone that clearly she realized that maybe she shouldn't have trusted him as much as she should have. We want to believe in people, but, like, this whole idea that, like, it is, like, a negative for Virginia to ask for this when, like, she's a little bit more established than Devin. I don't know.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She's the only one with a brain in this cast. That's what I'm saying.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Monica's sister like for like 30 seconds I was like oh she came around I was a little too harsh on her and I was like no she she still is so fucking bitter she absolutely hates this
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She liked him.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But then she's still passive digs.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You think it'd be like a like a quiet ride home?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It was better than the photo shoot that Daniel and Taylor had. That was brutal.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Who do we think is going to work out? Who says I do?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I don't think they do.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I do not think... I think if she does, she's leaving him in five years for someone taller.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
This is all speculation. I have no clue.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I haven't heard anything in the pipeline about...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I do too.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
So what are our final predictions? Who says yes then?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Sarah definitely. Sarah and Ben? Ben, they definitely don't.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
The sisters were preying on her downfall.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I have a hard time seeing Taylor and Daniel. I feel like she's going to say no.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
As a new dad, it can be really hard to cram in time for a workout with going back and forth from the office to meetings and spending time with my family. And it can seem impossible at times to see results. You want the maximum benefit in the time that you have. And that's exactly what Tonal was built for.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Tonal's at-home strength training system uses adaptive weight to learn from your movement and set the optimal weight for every move. It's an absolute fantastic machine. I've used it several different times. What's really great about it is that like it takes up no space in whatever room you want to put it in your house. You really can get a full body workout.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, Taylor, welcome back.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Thanks for coming back.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I don't know. It does feel a little like, oh, okay, I guess.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
When we first started watching your show, I hope the rest of the cast is okay with me saying, I don't mean your show, but the show that you're on.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Later in the night, he throws her his gum.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It wasn't like, hey, babe, like, you know, when your loving partner like sticks out their hand like this and says, babe, you need just a bit of your gum. It wasn't like that. He like fucking woman.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That is a weird thing to platform a rumor about yourself.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
How many?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Some version of like, you know, you know, when people like tell other, you know, people about you, you know, when, when Sally said to you about like, you're a bad friend, trust you. It's like, who are they? You know, when people bring up, they, there's like some like group of people who, you know, like everyone says that about you. You know what I'm saying?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like, huh? Like, I fucking hate that.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Do you ever see SNL appearance? Where are you?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Where do you stand with JT? He's smarmy.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah, like, really doing Vanita dirty. Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, then why not now? I mean, in no disrespect to our winner.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Did you know he had a girlfriend?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I do have a little Oscar tea. Our babysitter, also an elite socialite, got to go to all the Oscar parties last night.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like, if you were his girlfriend, how would you feel about his behavior?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Is this mysterious woman spoken out?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, JT seems like he's good at playing both sides. Yeah, he's good at that. So I'm sure he's giving...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Or some versions.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We're going to cross the line between just lying. I mean, what's the difference between embellishing the truth and making up a story? Like the gangbang accusation sounds like... Yeah, where did that start?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Is he doing stuff like that or is he embellishing the breakup?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What's your take?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She is our babysitter and also, like, besties with, like, you know, A-listers. Turns out, I guess there's also, like, an elite Hollywood party that people go to. I forgot his last name. She said his name's Guy or something. I don't know.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What did you make of... Sorry for talking about her accent in front of everybody. But what did you make of Shep's behavior in the sense that it seemed a little out of pocket for him to kind of melt the way he did and act that way? Do you think a product of just a guy for the first time not getting what he wanted and the way that he wanted it and that he was...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No, it's not an actor.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's not an actor's name.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
more uncomfortable with that versus like, this is not the Shep that we seem to have gotten to know, this kind of like, kind of nothing serious, you know, whatever, everything's a joke, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All of a sudden he's talking about freckles and like their love. And it's just like to the point where it's just like, whoa, you're getting a little creepy, Shep.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I've never heard this person's name. There may be, like, some, like, hot shot producer.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Do you think this experience, I mean, do you think it was real or do you think any part of it was him just like leaning in for the sake of the show?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And do you think this experience will teach him anything?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yes.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Oh, okay.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Listen, we all need vulnerable moments. We all need to feel embarrassed or be embarrassed, humbled at times. Sheps is on television. I'm not trying to like shit on him, but like that was a bad beat for him. Like he really was just like, oh, gosh, you know, like, yeah. But I'm just wondering if he will feel learned, you know.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That's Guy Ritchie.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No, I would have known Guy Ritchie. Maybe it's Guy Ritchie. She did not. She could have got his last name wrong. I don't know. There's a guy named Guy.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What's the future of you being on the show look like? Because, you know, you mentioned you just kind of came back for the women. It feels like whatever you accomplished, maybe that job is done. Obviously with Shep being your ex, like clearly there is a challenge and rightfully so of like navigating being part of this group.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And then like, obviously, you know, like the ex storyline, but I'm guessing it's more of a thing than you wish it would be. Like, how do you see your future with the show?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He throws cool Oscar parties and word on the street is Miles Teller. Excellent dancer.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I would say he has no redeeming qualities.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Miles Teller?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I was just a little uncomfy with the whole Joe conversation.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Was he? Oh my gosh.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Was he blacked out or is he not blacked out? And if he's blacked out, I'm like, what are we talking about here?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, there you go. Miles Teller strikes me as a guy who I feel like a lot of actors in Hollywood, generally theater kids, maybe it's a stereotype, but they grew into themselves in adult life and they really got cool after they became celebrities. And I feel like Miles Teller has a little bit of like, he was always a little cool.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, bullies might be a strong word, but I just feel like people in law school would like might tease. I can see it's competitive. Or also like, you know, being on a reality TV show, depending on who you ask, like is a door for people to criticize you. Absolutely. Depending on your community. Yeah, I think that's reality TV stars have, we have.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We have leveled up in terms of our credibility, but I still think we're, you know, we're punching bags for people sometimes to like, oh my God.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Maybe the bully lawyers got him.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I haven't seen it. Is it good?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What else have you been doing in your life? Are you watching anything fun?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Okay, it's fun.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Then love right now. We've only watched two episodes.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Came out last night.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You've got my sweatshirt on. I really like your sweatshirt. I love it. In terms of swag gifts that we get, it's a nice little oversized. I love that.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He was in Divergent.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's not too thick. It's a nice medium sweat shirt.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Does he have a kielbasa?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Is he behind there slinging the dogs? Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
All right, calm down, internet. I wasn't like trying. I was just being weird. You were acting, in my opinion. Speaking of, it's a wild and dramatic episode, the one with Bella Thorne and Going Deeper last week. Also, this Friday, not Wednesday, we have a very special Going Deeper. A finalist of Traders will be with us. You will be very excited about who they are.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Wouldn't you prefer that it would be peanut butter?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
The substance.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You'd rather have no peanut butter.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm not thinking you're like pausing me. Can I get some peanut butter? But like, I'm just saying if peanut butter was there.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Why did, why was there peanut butter? Is this a dare? Was it a dare?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That must get so annoying, though, even bringing up Shep. Just because in TV time, it feels like you guys just broke up. You've been dating someone else for a year and a half.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You haven't been dating Shep for two and a half years?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Are they really fighting?
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I understand their name. What was it about, though?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And that will be this Friday following, directly following the finale and reunion of Traders this week. So change your schedule. We'll be with you on Friday. Reality Recap is Thursday, as always.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
So it's giving JT.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Wow.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He just strikes me as the guy who you meet and he's like, I'll pick you up at the airport. And he kind of weasels himself into the friend group because he's kind of like, I'll do that. He does a bunch of favors. And you're like, yeah, he seems harmless enough. And then all of a sudden, you know, this guy who really doesn't belong starts fucking running his mouth and, you know.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Always be wary of the new friend you meet who starts offering you a bunch of favors.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You're kind of hot.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Retweet. Are you watching Traitors at all?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She ate last episode.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We hope to have them back on. Anything else we want to plug or promote?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Taylor, it's great to see you. Thanks for coming back.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Always fun chatting with you. Wishing you the best of luck and maybe Southern Hospitality.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What role do you play on that show? Because I don't feel like you're going to be working. No, not at all.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Taylor's so sweet. I don't know. I don't know. Why does she not? She always seems as a hard time fitting with her cast of Southern Charm.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She really hates Sally.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
All right. It's Hometowns. It's Bachelor. You know what I realized? What did you realize? Because last week I thought I said they were like an episode. They cut one episode out. Was this the sixth episode of the season?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah, episode six. When I was on the show back in the day, like, Hometowns was week nine. They're cutting, they're three episodes shorter, which makes, I mean, it's like, how are we at Hometowns? How is Zoe at a hometown when she doesn't even have a date? But that's not Zoe's fault. Like, it's just like, that's the format of the show.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like, it was like, all of a sudden, we started getting some drama with Carolina. And then, like, you know, that should have been a two-on-one. But, like, man, they really, like,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I mean, they didn't spend any time together, you know? And she's introducing...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That is me most nights, by the way.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah, literally. Well, again, I mean, if they're going to cut out three episodes, don't take four people to hometowns. If you don't have enough episodes to tell at least four different stories of a relationship we should give a fuck about, maybe change the format. But week six...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Guys, it's not about me.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And yet she didn't get eliminated. She's top three. And I called it right before it happened. I'm like, Dina's going home. He had to send her home. As soon as her family doesn't show up, she's gone. Yeah, you know, it's just like I really feel for Dina. And I say this as someone who also has 10 brothers and sisters like she does. She didn't specify religion, but I'm assuming she's Catholic.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She referred to her dad being an ordained deacon, which if you're Catholic, that's like basically a deacon is like someone who's like super religious, devout, thought about being a priest. but still wanted a family and deacons can get married and have kids and they have certain like abilities at a, like a church service to, you know, give us a homily. That's like the sermon or whatever.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
They're not quite, they're not a priest. They can't like turn the bread and the wine into the body and the blood of Christ or whatever, the Eucharist. If you know, if you're Catholic, you know what I'm talking about. But like it's giving Catholic, you know, listen, I'm really disappointed in her parents. How old is she? She's like late 20s. She's a lawyer, right? She's a lawyer from Chicago.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like, listen, like now and either way we look at it, we have 18 years. We have 18 years to raise our kids and teach them character and. and morals, and values, and lessons, and life. And then, you know, when they're adults, it's up to them to, like, live their lives.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And, like, obviously River isn't gonna, like, we don't expect or want River to, like, be a 20-year-old and, like, need our permission to do life. Like, I hope she asks for advice. I hope she, like, checks in with us. She'll do things that might disappoint us. We might not have chose for her, but that's part of life. And, like, you gotta show up for your kids, you know?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And, like, I get that her parents don't love this,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
that she's doing this i i you know they don't have to love it to show up for your kid but the moment like you like you decided for your daughter to like ruin her experience because you know you didn't approve like i don't know it's just show up show up for your kid you don't have to like it show up for your kids you can even even when they even when you show up you can be you can be honest you can be you don't know what i'm saying show up and pretend to like it be be the
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We love we love the parents on this show who don't act like fans and show up and like give a little like caution to their kids and the people and like are just real people. Be that version. Like, don't just like not like you.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
They left their kid on an island and like painted themselves and their family in a light of like, we don't if you if you don't do what we agree with, we're not going to support you. And like, just like, and like, I don't know, being super religious isn't like a, an excuse. Like, I don't know what it is. This is not, you're getting some religion to go on TV.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No, but she like referenced, you know, my family's very conservative.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But she showed up for a show. She went on the show. She's already on the show. So clearly they didn't love that. But again, she's not going to, as a almost 30-year-old. She's 31, yeah. As a 31-year-old woman, your kids aren't going to do exactly what you want them to do. You're going to abandon them? You're just going to not show up? You're just going to be like, nah, we're good?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No one from her family? Like not even one of her siblings was like, I'll be there for her?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And he had to send her home, you know, because like, clearly like if your family is not going to like, they're, they're so against this. I mean, I, I wouldn't feel comfortable like proposing or moving forward with a relationship. Like she, she absolutely had to go.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I met Rachel Lindsay's dad off camera. He's a federal judge. Her whole family was there. I met her mom on camera. That's hugely different than her whole family just being like, no, we want nothing to do with her. And I did meet her dad and I had a real good conversation with him. As a federal judge, he wasn't comfortable being on camera, but that has to do with his job situation.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
and you know whatever that's all about but like he very much was there we were never filmed speaking he was not part of the show he wasn't on camera but you had a good conversation i had a great real conversation with him afterwards because like obviously he didn't know i wasn't gonna you know like he showed up for his daughter you know yeah so that could have happened in dina's situation
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah, I really fell for her.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You know, I don't have to like the arts, not for me. I'm not a fan of body horror, but like I'm a huge fan of Demi and her career. And I think it's incredible story. And she is someone who like has taken a couple years off. She's been some things here and there. And for her to come out and be in the substance and like crush it.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
The fact that Zoe is in top three and like she has never really even had, I mean, this was her first one-on-one and it's like they have no chemistry.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yes, we know who his top two is, and I don't think Latia is his... Juliana's my number one. Yeah, she's the number one, right?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Juliana's a burner up.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I think the religion part is...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Latia looks like, I said this to Natalie. First of all, what a great round of hometown dates. And just in terms of New York City, Chicago.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Wyoming, this beautiful landscape horseback ride. Massachusetts. Juliana's. Juliana's like, whatever. Massachusetts. Lovely family. Lovely family. Letia looks like a creature who just came out of the woods on a horse.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah. Not the creature. And I say that, no, I meant that in the best possible way. Like a mythical creature. A mystical, beautiful creature where you're just like, who did this thing come out of the...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She does.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
The fact that Hometowns is in week six and not week nine, budget cuts. Yeah. I think we've heard all this drama and turmoil going on internally at the Bachelor franchise. I don't know how Grant's season has been doing ratings-wise. I don't even know how to measure ratings these days with network television when it comes to who's watching it live versus streaming and yada yada.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
yada yada but clearly like it's not it's not performing what it used to how it used to perform they have more and more competition like every time a love competition show like Love is Blind or Love Island pops off like doesn't even matter if it's not being aired at the same time. It's just like you're losing out to some competition. Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You know, it's just like with the... It's hard to watch Love Island and then come back to like the very vanilla format that is The Bachelor and like The Bachelor is... one of the most, I mean, between them and survivor, like no one will ever replicate what the bachelor franchise has done in terms of longevity and legacy.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, maybe.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And just, you know, there's, there's something about being a bachelorette or a bachelor that like supersedes, like just being one of many, you know, on love is blind or, or love Island or whatever. But like, they're just, they're not keeping up.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
They're just, they're not. And maybe the network part element of it all matters. It will be really interesting to see what paradise looks like this summer. do they make meaningful changes? Are those changes seen as cool, unique, different, something that's game-changing? Or does it look like a copycat version of other shows like Love Island that have worked?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah, but they're still limited to... The problem with this franchise... is um just like we've experienced with some of the ladies that we've interviewed there's like there clearly was this like wanting to become an influencer famous and like there's been a lot of very successful people from who've come out of bachelor nation and and have done very well for themselves and and
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It made a meaningful, at least temporary career from what they've been able to do. And it's network television. It's very safe. It's very kind of vanilla. Everyone's very not wanting to ruffle feathers.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Villains are villainized for doing literally nothing on the show, you know, like interrupting whatever, you know, versus like the shit and drama we get from Love Island or, you know, even like the stakes of Love is Blind or whatever.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
you know all the you know bravo just the way they get into it and you know compared to that like the bachelor franchise in general has like really like has had a hard time keeping up and so like will cast members go on to paradise and be good television or are they still going to be like very careful what they say and very careful what they do and not want to ruffle anyone's feathers because that's what it is now it's just everyone's just afraid to make tv and
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
in hopes that they're the, you know, cause that's how it used to be. Like if you were like the least problematic person who got the, like the, and who went the furthest, you would pop and you would become like this person with a big following and blah, blah, blah. But like the world's different now, you know?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I mean, I need something.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I need something different. I need some real fights. I need some real drama. Speaking of, so wait, I'm going to say Juliana is going to be my winner.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I think at the last minute, he really likes Letia.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Do you think he sleeps with anyone?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Speaking of double standards though, back to Hannah Brown's, like here you have Latia, also religious, less granted her delivery, much different than Luke Parker's back in the day. But nevertheless, the premise still is the same, which is if you sleep with someone else, I'm not going to pick you. I won't be here. Like you can have sex with someone else, but I will be leaving if you do.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Then she punched me.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And like that was different wording, but exactly what Luke Parker did. And he was the biggest villain in the world.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Maddie Pruitt. And, you know, where do you stand? Do you have a problem with Latia setting this boundary for Grant?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We saw a very famous person. I'm not going to say who because I want to. It was very cool. It was cooler than Meg Ryan. It doesn't matter.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Luke Parker. Luke Pell is the guy who's going to be Bachelor overnight. Luke Partner is maybe the best villain of all time. It's what made...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No, Luke Pell is the guy who should have been The Bachelor when I was The Bachelor, and then he was on JoJo's season. Okay. Luke Parker is the guy who was this amazing villain in Hannah Brown's season.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
He was a huge douchebag, and there's a lot of reasons to hate the guy.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And his whole, you know, his opening scene was like,
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
he was basically like i fucked a lot in college and then i like met jesus christ and all of a sudden like i'm not a douchebag anymore and then they don't listen they don't make television like that and it was like wait you don't cast them like that it's like you got all your fucking out of the way and now you're gonna tell hannah brown she can't have sex with people you know his delivery was terrible and he was he seemed like a worse type of guy but
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Either way, like his delivery was basically like he thought he was the winner. He thought he was like he was the front runner. She really liked him. And all of a sudden he was like, I'm not going to be comfortable with you having sex. And that is exactly what Latia is saying to Grant.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And this very famous person looked at our beautiful daughter and kind of went, hmm. And then we were at a restaurant that served both. It was a Sunday morning lunch. I don't know. Sunday lunch? We went and got lunch. And this particular place serves lunch. They also have a breakfast buffet of some sorts.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You're making my love is blind point.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm just saying. But, like, I agree with you. But, like, welcome to 2025, where, like, sex is, like... I mean, we're just talking about sex, and people, like, are, like, no biggie when they're, like, do you want to fuck tonight?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm talking about just the conversation and how we as society approach sex. And Jesse is approaching sex just like, I guess, and in some ways similar to Lauren, which is like, hey, we're just fucking, we're just having some sex. And all of a sudden, and then Lexi's like, well, hey, hold on. Like, sure, maybe. I don't know. I fuck. It's only 25. Like, I'm cool.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But, like, if we do, I want to set some, like, upfront expectations. And Jesse's like, whoa, hold on. Because Jesse's, like, assuming that we can all take our clothes off, exchange fluids, and, like, that's not a big fucking deal. But, like, if you want to start talking about feelings, holy shit.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And that's my whole point on love is one. But, um...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I mean, that's the difference between if you're 6'5 and she thinks you're hot versus not.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Why does she need to support Kyle, period?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yes, it was a brunch buffet. It's a me thing. I don't know. This is like, maybe I'm alone here. And as someone who grew up in a large family, yes, we went to, are you guys familiar with Old Country Buffet?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
How do you get invited to a sex party? Who do you have to know?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But is it like a secret invite? Do you know anyone who's been to one?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Yeah, but how do you, where does that conversation even start?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You're not remotely curious? Not to go, but like, I just want to know how someone like got recruited.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Do you just like hang a pineapple outside of your door and hope for the best?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Is anyone sad to see Tom Sandoval go other than me on Traders? It was a pretty good exit.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And his self-aware kind of sign off goodbye.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, you know what to expect from Tom. He's fine.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Finally, Danielle had some competition.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
So a lot's going to happen. Yeah. Because like next episode, the last episode.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, you have Danielle out there on social media teasing that she's safe, like telling her fans not to worry. Now, I don't know if that's her just being a really shitty contestant who's spoiling it for the fans. It would have been amazing television for Britney to vote for Danielle. I hope Britney is amazing television.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm not familiar with, but I imagine it's very, it's the same thing. There was also like the Ponderosa buffet, just like buffets in general. Like we frequented them as children growing up. But like as an adult, I will say like one of the very few things I really appreciate and the privileges that I enjoy the most is the ability to like level up when it comes to like quality of food.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We'll see. Well, we do have Carolyn up next to give us a little bit more insider tea and all the things that went down in the castle. It was a chaotic interview, obviously, with Carolyn coming in and then me having to leave 10 minutes later. But we were able to cross paths. I got to meet her in person. She, like we said at the top of the episode, is just a fascinating human being.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And you don't really know what to expect. But we got a chance to talk with her. Sierra and Justin finished the interview. And that is what you're about to hear next.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I don't care. It's fine.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
The one guy everyone hates is me.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We're so excited to talk with you, Carolyn. How are you? Carolyn just got in from LAX. I have to leave promptly for LAX. We're crossing paths in LA, but I had to stay behind at the risk of pissing off my entire family.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I've gotten that a lot too.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I got James Franco years ago. Lately, I've gotten Theo Vaughn. I used to get Ryan Reynolds, but I'll take any of them, you know? Yeah.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Great.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, I can talk to you for hours, but we only have like 10 minutes.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Talk your shit.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Mentors.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And I just like, I'm of the opinion, and maybe I'm alone, that if you like go to a restaurant that serves like individual meals and you can like order off the menu and just get like your own dinner, I don't know who in their right mind would opt for the community food that's been sitting out for hours and several, I don't know how many people have been scooping out of the same fucking food.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's the internet, Carolyn.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I stopped listening to the internet long time ago.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Here's all that matters. You were excellent television.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
We enjoyed watching you.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
by many people one of the most hated of all time why it doesn't matter because it's reality tv who cares if it's the bachelor you can you get you get shit on for like breathing the wrong way and then i just didn't give a fuck i've never really give the fuck in most of my life and i sense that's similar to you but like i just don't care you know absolutely but i i am like that's the thing i'm a very emotional person and i have so much empathy and so even if somebody like screws me over let me like have my minute to be like oh
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm just texting my wife. I'm not ignoring you.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Who is the most disingenuine person of the cast? Who is the most on camera on TV?
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
She's polished, period.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You don't have to whisper. Say it with your chest.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
But this A-list celebrity with, I can only imagine what their wealth may be, like opted. for the buffet. And I was really like, wow, they're really just like us. Not me, for sure. I was like, ew, disgusting. Oh my God, how could they?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
that's the game that's big brother that's other shit not the traitors is yeah I would definitely not even if like I was a faithful and someone asked me to swear on anyone anything of value if I was a faithful I just I'd be like no it's stupid it's like no like I wouldn't like I would be offended by that position
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I mean, that's a little nuts. I don't care that much. Like, I think I've been, obviously, I've become a fan of the show. I've watched it. Like, they've asked me to the show in the past. I haven't been able to make it work. I hope someday I'll have a chance to do it in the future. But, like, I wouldn't care that much. To swear on my...
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Like, I would care. I would try. I would have fun. I'd get into it. But like the moment someone's like, swear on your kids. I'm like, fuck off.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
You hated it.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm great. You had fun.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It did happen out there.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I was like, oh my God, what are they doing?
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Did you shit your pants out there?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Traitor.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Maybe so, yes. I mean, again, this is my snobby side coming out, but who...
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
If you guys have more questions, ask Caroline. Thank you for making the time.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Caroline, it's been so much fun. Girl, my name's Caroline. Caroline, that's what I said.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I get bad with names.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
What am I saying, Caroline?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm saying Caroline.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
No one gets my last name right.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Great question.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's vial. People say vial. Vail.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'm an idiot. What do you want me to say?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Maybe that's our problem.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Maybe we have a marketing problem with our show.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I started a podcast six years ago. Topher Grace gave me the idea of the name. I was like, cool, that rhymes. And then if I knew this show would be as big and successful as it was, I would have thought of something different.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Carolyn, did I get it right? Thanks for having me, Nick. I love you. I'm so sorry I have to go.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
And I've heard nothing but amazing things from everyone who's seen the movie. And I just would have loved her to win.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
There's nothing gross to you about like just, you know, I don't know, mashed potatoes, half gone. Who knows how long it's been out there sitting under a lamp.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I guess, right? I mean, I really am alone. There's a whole, like, half the city is hot girls go to Air One and pay $30 for orange chicken.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That's been sitting out there. I just find it to be fucking appalling and disgusting.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It needs to be fresh and warm and hot. It needs to be like, I want it right out of whatever.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Whatever it's meant to be, that's what I want it to be. If it's meant to be ice cold, I want it fucking ice cold. Like, oh God, nothing worse than a shrimp cocktail. Thank you. That's a little like melted. Oh my God, I'll lose my fucking mind.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
That's what I saw a tweet saying to me, more losing to Mikey is basically the plot of substance.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
this is slimy I won't eat it this is not cold enough and they'll be like four uneaten shrimp with like one bite and they're like oh you don't like it no it's totally great like it's fine I won't send it back I won't like that's a me problem I recognize my my my Psychosis?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I was going to say peccadillos, but, like, whatever.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
It's a me problem. Yeah. I mean, like, I can't, I'm not so arrogant that I would expect an entire restaurant to, like, change how they do things. Okay. And I'm not a chef. I mean, I like to cook, but, like, who am I to be like, can I talk to the chef, please, and, like, critique their shrimp cocktail?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
yeah i will very gently and politely say like you know again i'm crazy and like i must not have asked for it um five times uh no but then i was like plain just lettuce please i'll always ask him not to spend on my food okay but i'm very gentle but like if it's just a how they did it i mean i guess it's like oh i guess i'll never come back You know?
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
I'll let you know on Wednesday.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Thank you guys for listening. Hope you enjoyed this episode. Thank you to our guests, Carolyn and Taylor, for joining us today. Don't forget, no going deeper tomorrow, but there is one this Friday. We'll have one of the finalists from the Traders on this Friday for an awesome going deeper. It'll be exactly the person you hope it will be. That's what I think. That's what I think.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Well, I'm flying. I have to fly to... First class? Oh, yes, babe. You had the ops. You had the ops.
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E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
Tell me I'm wrong on Friday. That's this Friday. And again, we're back on Thursday's Reality Recap. See you then. Bye.
The Viall Files
E894 - Taylor Ann Green, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Hometowns, LIB, The Oscars, Ruby Franke, and Brunch Buffets
are you staying behind so this is exactly if i don't know he upgrades to first and i'm not i did not get upgraded that's i'm i'm you requested youtube's paying for me to fly to dc and teach people how to do the internet i guess hell yeah yeah congrats to teach people how to secure their own first class seats yeah get a deal with youtube or kids yeah sorry natalie no she could i she would she
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Sorry. Let's go a little Beverly Hills before Chanel gets in.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Speak your truth, Justin.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Here's a question I have for all of you. Who is the most never wrong person in the cast of Beverly Hills Housewives? Every single one of them.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah. Like the most.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
No, no, no.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
What I mean by who's the most like in their, in this person's opinion, the most like never wrong person I don't know. She has stiff competition.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Erika Jayne defended her earrings still to this day. And she could not have been more wrong about that. Kyle, you know, every other episode, she's kind of like talking out of one side and doing another.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, but this particular cast, I feel like more than any other cast, really stick their heels in the ground.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
She did listen to our debate.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You're right. They sit in silence and they wait for their ITMs a little bit.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, no.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Anyway, so that is coming up shortly. Lots of good information from Lauren. And yeah, I'm excited for you guys to hear that. Then we have the very iconic Chanel Ion.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
There's a difference between order and like Sutton. Routine. And Sutton, and I quote, she did an interview and she, and this is a response. I have a drinking regimen that I do. Sutton revealed. At around 10 a.m., I think that's okay for your first cocktail of the day. And then I try to, it's just consistency through the day that I'm nicer. So she starts every day at 10 a.m.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
and then consistently drinks all day. How is that not a drinking problem?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, I mean... They're just saying she's overreacting. She does seem to have kind of a problem. And it's obviously triggering for her because, I don't know, I don't know many people who are heavy drinkers who appreciate anyone else saying anything.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
So, I don't know, I thought Dorit was the savage, and I really love, and if you go as low as she did, like, that whole line about throwing out, like, basically, you know, Dorit's going through a divorce right now, clearly she is not of the, has the same financial means as some of her peers, and throwing that in her face, especially that whole episode opened up with, again, Sutton, you know, we now know that Sutton gets any, what, around, what, three, I don't know, how many? 300,000?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
after taxes a month and she's like i mean obviously maybe joking with jennifer tilly talking about like she's looking for a billionaire like as if like it's never enough but like that line basically just that like she marries for money and then like that and you know knowing that's how she accumulated her wealth and then she's throwing that in dorit's face as if like that was some sort of accomplishment or that she's better than dorit or that dorit doesn't have a place to like
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Is it Ion? Is it Chanel? I don't know. She obviously, shortly, recently, on her way here, literally on her way here, she was on a flight with the one and only Will Smith, posted a picture with him. As she often does, she gave her input and opinion on Mr. Smith himself. So very excited to talk to her about all things Will Smith.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
No, of course. Like, listen, they clearly are not, you know, I'm not saying that Dorit was like pleasant and nice and like the bigger person here. She wasn't at all. I just kind of loved the way she fought a little bit better than Sutton. And I will say that like going back to last season, other than Kyle and now Boze, Like this rest of this group, they're fucking mean to Dorit.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
They fucking bully her and mock her and talk behind her back. And they're just fucking cruel to her. And if you're Dorit and you're just like, fuck these people, they're constantly minimizing me and condescending me and talking down to me. It is hard for me to see that like Sutton and Garcelle. And Kyle technically in this scenario. Kyle sometimes are the ones being picked on.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I'm a little confused by this ongoing Moe and Kyle separation. I think they're not telling us something. I'm just like, get divorced at this point. Or not. I don't fucking care. But I thought this was last year's storyline.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Honestly, yeah. Exactly what you just said.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I honestly, the scene came up and I was like, wait, did Peacock all of a sudden start playing last year? Sometimes I put on the wrong episode or something. I was like, what? What's going on?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, I'll say one thing about Mo and Kyle. They really seem like, despite whatever they're going through, they're not vindictive with each other. No. It doesn't feel that way.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, up next, she's here. Chanel Ayan is about to join us.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
In general, by the public? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think anyone gives a fuck, really. He does a ban from the, he has a lifetime ban from the Oscars, which is kind of- Well, I mean, as he should.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah. I mean, listen, it's not okay, but like- Sometimes a comedian needs to get slapped. I don't think if you punch someone, you get a lifetime ban from things.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
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The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, we're excited to have you. I don't know if you listen to the show, if you've been keeping up with commentary, but we had a great debate on Tuesday about your and Dave's situation. But we're so thankful and so glad that you're with us today because obviously a lot of our discussion debate was based off of things we didn't know and just kind of what we watched and things like that.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
So just did you listen to that conversation?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
So like, fuck me, right? Obviously.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Correct. Well, thank you for saying it. Thank you for listening. But yeah, I mean, what were your thoughts and feelings about our discussion?
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
What what is the truth or your truth? I mean, let's just say what what is the truth as you see it, so to speak?
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
For sure. Come on back. I think he learned his lesson. And I feel like that's the most that was the most interesting. The Oscars has been in. I don't know how long.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
So were you two having conversations about you potentially going on this show while you guys were hanging out occasionally?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Were you ever wondering if this was a smart decision, so to speak, based off of the fact that you might go on the show? Obviously, you have every right to do whatever the fuck you want outside of the show. I'm sure you are, like you said, a fan of the show. You've watched the show. I'm sure you've seen drama and fights about... past actions, you know, and, and what could come up.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I imagine when you were going through the casting process, like most people, it's kind of like first, you don't even think you're going to get casted. And then if you get casted, you're thinking probably show up, nothing will happen. Right. You're certainly not expecting to make a connection. You're certainly not expecting to get engaged. So I get all that.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Did it ever cross your mind that like, ooh, maybe like this, this is a little messy choice given like what you were potentially willing to say yes to if given the opportunity?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Gotcha. What would you have loved to see Dave do differently in that moment?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Do you know why they refused? Was it just like not wanting to get involved in the show or being on camera? Or did you get any inkling as to why they were?
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You think Dave was in the driver's seat here?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
The winner gets to slap all the other people while being like, I just want to like, I want to shout out to all my nominees.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Okay. All right. All right. Okay. Interesting.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That was very embarrassing for him.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Wow. Okay. That's wild. When the next batch comes out, we'll get some resolution on whatever happens between the two of you guys.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Were there other signs from Dave that suggested that he was looking for an out in general, or was it mostly based off of this situation?
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
He can sing as good as Bob Dylan, which I guess is... I think we need to ban biopics as far as Oscar nominations.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
At the time in which this drama happened, how all in were you as far as marriage goes? You know, or like, I guess my question is just like, I'm trying to figure out with this process, like, are some people like, fuck it, I'm engaged and we're going to get married unless something bad happens?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Or is it we got engaged and like, let's, you know, we have four weeks to figure out whether we're going to get married or not.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
It's interesting because I completely agree with Natalie with that statement. But if I'm still trying to empathize with this whole situation. Like, I think two things can be true at the same time. Like I can understand Dave having a hard time processing this rumor. Cause that's what it is.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You know, rumor, you know, which has like maybe some truth to it, but obviously it's, it's, it's coming from someone who obviously is, has an alternative agenda and things like that. But to Nally's point, regardless of what the truth is, Dave is,
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
demonstrated you know basically an inability to cope while struggling with his own emotions and needing to be there for his partner who's also struggling and he was basically saying i need to be alone so that i can figure this out and regardless of what you're going through like that not my problem because my problem is your you you know it's like my needs come first sorry yeah correct yeah and
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Did you feel any type of way about his comments regarding Molly or feelings towards Molly outside of the show? Or do you feel like that was maybe dramatized a little bit for TV?
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You're so bummed you can't get some dick.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
We just talked about last, on Tuesday, how brilliantly Jason Isaacs is playing Thomas Ravenel. Speaking of White Lotus, though, Chris Pratt is super into his brother-in-law's cock.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I know Natalie, obviously, in our great debate the other day, used Dave's interest in other people's sex life as kind of a justification for Dave not taking sex seriously. But I didn't see it that way. I kind of see it as him just, again, I think a lot of people in these atmospheres are very curious about what other people are doing. There's a lot of confusion.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I also think just because, you know, you have a one night stand doesn't mean sex means nothing to you ever in general. It's just like, I think it's situational basis. But how did you see Dave's line of questioning to his peers as it relates to your relationship?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Did you ever tell Dave that despite him thinking they're jokes, that sometimes they're not funny?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I mean, listen, reality TV is not a safe space for sarcasm or any type of like humor in general, because it definitely can and often is use it against you. So yeah, I definitely watch those moments with a, A careful eye, so to speak.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
It's a tough situation given the, just like what the show is about, you know, and it's some hard to avoid some of these conversations without, you know, but also obviously every second isn't filmed.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
He didn't say cock. He said dick.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
some falseness to this like i should ask her when cameras aren't around so that she doesn't feel like i'm like putting her sex life on blast that's true he's definitely not he definitely wasn't overly considerate and empathetic to her how this might affect you that that is clear right right yeah right i was curious about your perspective about some of the other people in relationships but was madison as messy and toxic as she came across on the show
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
He said that dick.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
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The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Watching it back, do you feel like Madison got screwed over? Because I really quite liked his relationship with Meg. Again, don't know if this is editing or whatever, but it sure seemed like Madison sabotaged that relationship because she didn't get her way.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And good for Abby Champion, his fiance.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
We have an opinion, but, you know, like we just, you know, sometimes context matters and sometimes context is lost in these episodes. So we were definitely curious.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah. Was there anyone who like you met in person? You're like, fuck, damn.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I mean, I saw it. I watched the episode. I didn't like pause and be like, oh, wow.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, after getting to know Ben, I don't know how much you did get to know him, but do you feel like maybe these accusations from the past have any truth to them or not?
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
With Ben? Are there other? Yeah. There's others.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And what was the general accusation that he just basically ghosted her?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
There was also YouTube cards. Yeah, did you see?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Okay.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Do you think, do you think we will want to have you back on this show to unpack your entire story with Dave? Maybe in person sitting on his couch. Like, cause we want, we want the drama.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Lauren, thank you so much for taking the time. I know that you carved some out of your very busy work schedule. So thank you. We appreciate it. And we look forward to watching the rest of your journey.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
All right. Take care.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, that's very interesting. So she hooked up with him a week before filming.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Sometimes we got ice cream before and after.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
A little salty tears and tears salted caramel. That makes it a little bit more than just fucking. I don't know. You don't need to say goodbye to your fuck buddy.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I wouldn't have been surprised, but I'm just surprised it was not.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I, uh, I, I mean, I don't know. I'm sure you guys still feel the way. She didn't change my opinion.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
But I'm not defending Dave. I'm defending sex.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That was the argument I was trying to make while you guys were all yelling at me that I should... Well, someone told me I need a muzzle, so I won't be yelling any longer. You know, a lot of people who do this show, as someone who's been on these types of shows, nothing I find more kind of frustrating or just kind of...
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Shows that you haven't done these shows, when people say, you know what you signed up for, or you signed up for this. Because I don't think Dave, Lauren, and anyone in this cast has any clue truly what they signed up for. You know, they got the logline of, like, what the show's about. They've seen previous season. But until you're in that fucking crazy universe, you really don't know.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And to that end, I give Lauren grace for, you know, making the decisions that she did. But I also appreciate that, you know, Dave was struggling with, like... questioning how serious she was. I think Natalie made a great point that regardless of who thought what or when, this issue revealed Dave's kind of shortcomings as a potential future partner.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And I think more than anything, that was telling because regardless of what happened, two people who are weeks away from marriage, he clearly is someone who was incapable of like, you know, allowing his partner to also be in a space that he was in and working through it together, rather, you know, completely disconnecting and then emotionally abandoning his partner.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That may be true, but I think this rumor caught him off guard. And I think whether right or wrong, I think he didn't expect this to come out. And he had an expectation. That expectation wasn't met. And in any situation, when you have an expectation it's not met, it fucks you up. And you have a hard time getting back to that
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That motherfucker got right on it.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
What is a YouTube card?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That's almost as brutal as Sutton was last night's episode. We'll get into that later. Your girl was on one, bro.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I prepared. That was fucking wild. Well, up next, we have the iconic Chanel Ion with us to get into all sorts of topics, especially her little interaction with Will Smith that she's on the same flight with him on the way here to the show. They're plane buddies.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Nope. She's not afraid of anything. She's fearless. She's Taylor Swift fearless. Full of myself? I don't know. Yeah. Anyways, we'll talk about that with her and more. All right, first question. Is it Chanel or is it Ion?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Nine girls and one boy?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Love that.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I wish I had the confidence to just like rename myself sometimes. Wow.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Thankfully, I didn't read my DMs. Why did you bully me?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That's coming. He's from Idaho.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That means a lot coming from you because I don't feel like you say things just to be nice.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I think it's gonna, I think... First of all, it's not gonna be one of the best. It's gonna be fun and entertaining and, like, I mean, who knows? I guess it could be. I mean, James Marsden is in it. But, like, compared to Severance and the mind fuck that that is, and, like... But you don't think this is also a mind fuck?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
He's nicer than me.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Thank you.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I have a hard candy shell, but I'm soft in the middle.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I can tell. And your wife is beautiful. If you got me on your side, I'm a good ally. Really? I'm a bad enemy. And like you, I feel like, and I don't really know you that well, but I just don't have the time for bullshit.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Have you ever, other than like, you know, people you see on TV or online, have you ever been wrong about someone you met in person about like how you thought they were?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, we definitely wish her the best. I mean, you know, obviously alcohol is a terrible drug and it can do terrible things. And, you know, it's a sickness for people who, you know, are addicted to it. And I don't know if that's what's going on with her, but she seems like she's struggled with consumption from time to time. So hopefully she definitely, you know, gets whatever help she needs.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
No, I think it's... Of how it's, like... I mean, spoiler alert, it's... Spoiler in the first episode, like, it's... It's about a potential asteroid or the world ending and somehow... They have to live underground in Colorado. It's like a fake.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Have you been able to talk to her at all?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I do like surprising people.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You have an 18-year-old son?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I don't know how old you are. I don't know how old you are. I'm 50. And if you tell me you're 50?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I just want to see Annalie walking around with honey all over her face.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Did you know there's a 3% chance that an asteroid is going to hit the Earth in less than three years? And that used to be like a 1% chance. Not anymore. Not anymore? It changed?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Huh? Will Smith. Will Smith.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Is the asteroid kind of hit or not?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
It's right in your face here.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And can your job be remote? In Dubai? Yeah, if I moved to Dubai and still did this show and had my team here, they would be like, cool, as long as you're making money.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
It was only 3%. So like a 1 in 40 chance or some 48.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Oh, thank God.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Why do you feel like they voted you off on Traders or killed you?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
What gentlemen having... Huh?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Were they doing things like this?
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Was it a flash or did you let it marinate?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
For how long?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I mean, if she met the right guy, then she met the right guy. I think it's definitely a...
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
The traitors killed you, yeah, overnight?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Are you fast?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Very Tom Sandoval.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You know what to know right there.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah. Sure. Unless Trader Joe's. I also just think it's incredibly situational. Like, if you were doing that with some random person, whatever, if you were doing that with someone who, like, was 6'2", had a beard, a couple pats, more flannel. Sure, sure. I'm like, maybe not, you know?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
okay question though is Kate Hudson in any way responsible regardless of what she thinks is appropriate like let's say it's a married person someone in a relationship man woman doesn't really matter you know should she be mindful of like how her quote unquote flirtiness is received by any of these people she's flirting with?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I have a great one.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Were you sad about Dubai not coming back?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Is it like a logistical thing just because of Dubai being kind of so far away and just like different time zones? Or why do you think it has been put on pause?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And there's huge difference. And I know they're right. A lot of people like will perceive niceness is flirting, you know, and it's definitely not flirting. But there's also flirting that's straight up flirting.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, I was going to ask you about that.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I want to ask you about that.
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Allegedly.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, maybe he wants his mom there. I just feel like Uba could really use... Me.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
How is Uba? Have you talked to Uba since?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I felt like it was Uba being the bigger person though.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I would like to see you on Roni.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You're obviously excellent television. We didn't get quite near enough of you on Traders.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You know you're good television.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Please come back on the show whenever you're back in town. Or maybe we can do it remotely or something. But don't be a stranger.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And anytime you want to bully me on my DMs, please feel free.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I was a little disappointed you unsent them after I called you out on it.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That was our memory. That was the beginning of our relationship.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Just, you know, be careful what you believe on the internet. I'm just saying.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
If your intention is to receive some type of validation from this person, then it's completely inappropriate.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
You called me the hottest man in America. So like we can.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Wow.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Bye. What a dream. I just don't remember anyone calling me the best-looking guy in America.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, I forgot. I wasn't listening.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
We started watching a little bit, and then the season wrapped, and then... Pause. Yeah. I really think Dubai so far. Just wondering if she would do other TV.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
If you're not thinking you're flirting, then it's not.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I want to get on a plane that has a cabin.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Both.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Did she say there's a shower? Yeah. Outside of the cabin.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I want to go to Dubai just to go on that plane.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Thank you to our guest, Chanel Ayan and Lauren from Love is Blind. Also, if you haven't listened to the Bella Thorne episode, everyone's talking about it. It's an absolute doozy. You will be clinched just soaking up all the conversation. So if you are not privy to that interview yet, be sure to go ahead and listen to it right now. You will not regret it.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
We will see you next week for another explosive, fun episode of all the things that we do. We'll see you then. Bye. Bye.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, but a lot of times. That's just who you are. Sure, but flirts and I've always been like a flirt. There's an element of like, you want it back. You know, there's a banter. Yeah. You know, and when I was just being nice. I might say, oh, you look great today. It's a beautiful dress. I don't say that's flirting. I'm just commenting on the dress. If I say, oh, that looks sexy on you.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Completely different.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, Michaela Matthews from Mormon Wives is clapping back because... Did we find out what the critics were saying?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
As someone who's at a front row seat to my mom having a handful of pregnancies and just like being lucky enough to be around women who have been pregnant, like a pregnancy can be incredibly healing and therapeutic, both physically and mentally. And like, I think it's just so fucking weird.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
To criticize that, especially someone who really truly has been struggling with her chronic illness that she's been struggling with. And also like there's a huge difference between people who like talk about their family and share their experiences if they're online versus like people who, you know, use their kid as props and clearly are doing like skits with their kids.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, anyways, we get sending love to Michaela because obviously what she's going through is that, you know, dealing with a chronic skin problem is for anyone difficult and it sucks. So sending her all the love and good health to her and her child.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another jam-packed episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and I could not be more excited about this episode. Let's just preview exactly what we got going on. First, shortly, in a few minutes, have Lauren from Love is Blind this season to basically help us clear up our great debate.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And she's the one who referred to herself as Thomas Jefferson's concubine.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
How many Bravo celebrities have gone to prison?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Jen Shah.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, Jen shot Teresa and now Karen. So three.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Do you think this is more like a Wes Wilson opinion, or do you feel like he has inside information?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Entire cast is kind of giving you baby.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Sierra could crush it.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I feel like Paige would kind of be, like, using a wooden spoon to, like, kind of nudge the baby if she had to push it. Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I told you when we talked, I'm going to go, you can finish if you, as long as you don't quit, unless you get hurt.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So I would have opted out for that. You're punching. You're just straight up fighting.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So how do and how are we feeling about Denise and the Wild Things?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Is Charlie making any type of appearances? He is. He is. Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Did you approach him and ask, hey, we're doing this, what do you think?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What have you been doing kind of just to unwind and kind of take care of yourself and relax? What have you been doing for fun?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
We went to New York for an interview, which happened to be Valentine's Day. Oh. And so we went alone.
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vow Files Reality Recap Edition. And boy, do we have a jam-packed episode for you. Momentarily, the icon herself, Denise Richards, will be joining us to just, you know, gab a little bit, talk about her new Bravo show. What's it?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I feel like it's a good balance. I'm always saying to Natalie, this is good for her. I think this is good for us. It is. Because we're not going for any extended period of time. We're very lucky to feel very safe and confident with the childcare that we do have, which is often her mom. Which is nice.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And like, you know, I think I read somewhere you learn, but like, you know, you're at some point your child needs to learn that you can leave and come back. Right. And so even if it's for a short period of time. And so, yeah, you know, testing the water, nothing, nothing extended. It's a little nerve wracking for sure. There's always a little bit of guilt. You know, just to be away.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Do you keep up with Kyle or Dorit at all? Dorit, I don't.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So you don't know anything about what's going on with Dorit's marriage? I don't. I mean, I've heard.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I mean, if I were in your position, I would definitely not. Like, I don't watch often shows I'm on. I did watch Special Forces, though.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I think it's a little imposter syndrome, for sure. I don't really need to critique my performances. I was just happy to be there.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I do like it. You know, I was doing more a few years back with the show taking off and us being so busy. I've had less opportunities and certainly have had less opportunities to study and practice because I'm not a natural. That's for sure. I do like I really enjoyed studying it and taking the classes and getting better and like understanding what it took to be a good actor.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
and just like the prep that goes into it and more than anything, just kind of having respect for acting. And before I even took any acting classes, I would just watch movies, I'd watch TV and I would just be watching a show. I wouldn't really even think about the performances. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. And then once you, you know, are able to go on set or you,
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
study acting a little bit you do acting classes you watch in a different way and and i've always i've enjoyed that process of like being aware of like that's a you know watching a performance and being and realizing what that is and you know understanding how tv is made or how movies are made i have a much different appreciation for it so if i get the opportunity to do it i would love to do it but you know it's it's not something that i'm like i'm not studying it as much as i used to just okay like you know the show father
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And how did we find or discover the fish?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Some of them are bigger.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
How were you affected, if at all, with the fires? I know, like, you're in Malibu?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
But you guys were safe.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yes, she.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Wow.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Where'd you go?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Curious, in housewife world, there's a lot of close friendships, as you know. But it's also a lot of, you're in the limelight. Housewives sometimes is predicated off of jealousy and things like that.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I'm curious, getting your own show, while nerve-wracking and obviously the pressure, I feel like there's a lot of housewives out there that would prefer their own show rather than being part of an ensemble cast. And have you felt any...
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Was there any particular thing that you had to go through that you really... My divorce.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
There's a whole camp. Yeah, there's a whole camp. There's like civilization. You're like, what the fuck?
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah. No. Yeah. Real food. Yeah. You know, soda, you know, whatever.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
There was a changing room next door with heaters.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So we had to dry our clothes.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Well, the first time there was a tent and then like there was always a tent for safety, but then they wouldn't let us use the tent. So unless you were dying, you had to change outside.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You just have to trust that someone's going to see it, but hopefully not America.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Especially for us guys, you know.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Is this a story?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
That was at Denise Richards' request?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I mean, you know, shit happens.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I bet they would give you whatever toilet you want.
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
The outfits.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I would. I hope we get a chance. It's tough with this show. You're kind of busy with this show. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Usually it's not the trash. It's like, did you smoke weed? Yes.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Now he's turned into a little barista and she has a little cappuccino machine. I offered to make her coffee and then she's like, no, I got it.
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
No, I... What happened?
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Why did she have to make her own coffee today? Because I was also making our daughter breakfast.
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
It's harder to get her back down.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
It's great. I walk in, I put on one of his robes, real cool.
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
That's so cute. The river is like this. And then we cuddle. And then I put her back to sleep. So she doesn't sleep in your room at all?
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
We got real lucky. And now sometimes we try to bring her into our room, but like now it's too much of a distraction. Right.
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
But most nights I have Jeff. So Steve's in the kennel. Steve.
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Jeff is in the bed.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
They're little doodles. Labradoodles. But Jeff is just like up next to me. And there are some nights where I'm just sandwiched between Natalie's body heat and Jeff's body heat. And I'm in pants. And she's in pants.
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
In fairness to Steve, there's been a bit of a transmissional period. Jeff was our first. So Jeff kind of got dibs. And we kettle trained Jeff. Right away.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Every time, as soon as we got Jeff, everyone's like kettle train, kettle train. So we did, we kettle trained Jeff.
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What did I say?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Kettle chips, you know, whatever. Valentine's, Valentine's, it doesn't matter. You all know what I'm saying. Anyways, we we trained him and eventually Jeff started sleeping with us. We loved it. It was great. So nice. Yeah, it was it was wonderful. And then we had a child. Well, nobody got Steve. It was like, you know, we had a good first baby like Jeff.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Jeff was a very good like dog, like just really well behaved. Kettle trained. Well, we just kind of like didn't kennel kennel train Steve. And so Steve started getting in bed with us. We're having two dogs. It was just it got a lot. Yeah. I get it. We had to go back. And then Steve was kind of misbehaving. So we had to go back, kennel train him. Now he likes the kennel.
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And honestly, it's just too many fucking dogs in bed. And Steve, when we go to bed, he just goes right into his kennel. That's like his bedroom.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
He's good. Every once in a while, we'll forget to lock the kennel because usually he'll just stay in there. And sometimes he creeps up on the bed.
The Viall Files
E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah. Oh, that's sweet. But Steve is much better with River. Like they're friends. Oh, that's good. Jeff wants nothing to do with River.
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That's so sweet. Steve and River are going to be very close friends.
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Yeah, we don't.
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When you guys are filming season two.
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Can we double date?
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So we'll double date. We'll do a little. We'll for sure do that. That would be fun.
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We'll just be your friends. Thank you. Well, we are friends. I know, but I want the world to see us. You're just like, we're just having dinner with our friends, Nick and Natalie.
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So does your mom... If we have a house in Tennessee or anywhere in the South at some point, maybe you guys can... you and Aaron come and visit. We would love that. And we'll do a whole episode of Denise goes to the South. To Alabama.
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Or Georgia or Texas, wherever. I don't think I'll move to Alabama.
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At least mine lives in Alabama.
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Listen, it's lovely. I've been there. It's great. I understand.
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Yeah. She's been very helpful when it comes to helping us have an adventurous life.
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Yeah, for sure. Really?
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I don't think our children will be going to school in the Los Angeles school system. I think that might be good.
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It's changed a little bit over the years here. Yeah.
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What should we talk about before we let you go?
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We're on season two.
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And when you say producer, are you allowed to have creative input in post-production?
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Will it be dramatic?
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Yeah.
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Yes, yes, yes. Yes, of course. Blake Lively has amended her complaint that came out yesterday with updates alleging that there are additional women coming forward or that additional women came forward and complained about Justin's onset behavior. And those people are prepared to testify at whatever trial may or may not come forward. Yeah. There is that. So, I don't know.
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that kind of relatable stuff yeah yeah i think that some people might be able to relate to it a little bit i think i can't wait to watch it thank you um it's so great to have you on well thank you for having me you're the best come back can we when you can you come back when your season's airing sure talk about it yeah i would love to yeah i don't want to bother you denise because you know i just don't want to overstep my welcome
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okay i'll bother you and say can i come on okay great thank you does that work please someday can you come on and just talk like house like beverly hills hot like kind of you want you to come talk shit oh you mean about the show let me catch up watching the season i would definitely just love your input because like you you know these i don't i've never really i've never i've met i met kyle for like i introduced myself to kyle for 20 seconds i've never met sutton uh i've never met to read i've never met
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I don't really know. Sometimes I like that because when we talk about them, it's like, I don't know. But the more we talk about them, I'd love to get an accurate understanding of who they are.
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I didn't have you on to talk. I was curious if you were.
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But someday I would love that.
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Well, Denise, so good to see you. So good to see you too. Congratulations on your new show. Thank you so much. March 4th. It's out. March 4th on Bravo.
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They must feel very good about this. I hope so.
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It could be following Roni. That wouldn't be good. That's true.
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I don't mean this with any disrespect, but do you think Dorit or any of the current cast would jump out of a boat onto a helicopter? I don't.
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Always great to see you. You too.
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I imagine the Justin Baldoni people will pick it apart and all the online trolls. I'm just really, really looking forward to the day this finally goes to court. I'm just looking forward to that day where I can tell all of you, I told you so, there's going to be a lot of people who really embarrass themselves when it comes to mine, most importantly. But, you know...
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Oh, well, we love Denise. Always great to catch up with our queen. Very excited about her show. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. We're going to have to bring her back with her daughters. I think that'll be a fun dynamic to see them all interact. Up next, we're talking a little Love is Blind episodes four through six, and we have Alex coming up.
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This relationship between him and Madison was wild.
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I'm curious how he came to that decision. She seems like a bad breaker-upper.
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Well, when she broke up with Mason, and then, yeah, I don't know, Mason did the whole thing of kind of acting like...
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maybe he didn't mean what he said or whatever i don't know but like you could her body language changed so quickly and she got really upset because she she wanted him to be upset yeah she wanted him to be hurt and mad it was definitely not like i'm glad you have another person and like you should be like she wasn't happy for you and i'm always cheering you on she wanted him crushed yeah you take it back so you'd
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you're not you don't you weren't ever committed to me it was like an ego shot and then when she's talking to Alex and you know he's friends with Mason and just saying well I just see both sides she says Mason really hurt me you know she didn't accuse him of I assume she means emotionally, but that's like such a what do you mean you broke up with him?
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And all he did was this kind of like, you know, as people do when they're getting broken up with or maybe feel a certain way, kind of maybe just try to take back, you know, feeling kind of embarrassed, opening up. And like that turned into her telling someone, some random person that this guy hurt her.
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Well, there's a lot of people, but I'm just like most of the people who are like coming forward, just like people you've never heard of. They're like online.
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No, vindictive, scary.
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The only thing I'm mad about Alex, and we will obviously ask him how he came to this decision, is this like, I would have liked to see this relationship explode permanently.
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Not for his mental health or his overall well-being.
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But like Alex's emotional maturity really fucked us. Let's bring him up. Hello.
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How's it going? What a beautiful face. How you doing? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. Good. Okay. I'm feeling really good. Well, we have a lot of questions for you. So we're excited to ask you those. We were just talking about your relationship with Madison. Very proud of you because, you know, I watching this back. I don't know if you know this. I'm from Wisconsin. So also a Midwest guy.
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Watching you, in a lot of ways, reminded me of younger me. And that relationship reminded me of the type of people I pursued early in life. And so really proud that you seemed to pick up on some red flags that were demonstrated. So for your mental health, you seem to make a really sound decision. For TV purposes, we were sad to see this relationship end so quickly. I kind of wanted to see it.
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But she was one of the more mainstream public figures to like seem to start writing for Justin, which I found a bit shocking. But whatever I do, I feel very confident that people are going to find out.
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So, yeah, I feel like there could have been more to unpack there, but totally get it. What were some of the things that you started noticing, you know, that maybe stopped you from thinking this was a relationship you could pursue? Because it really seemed like she had landed on you. She was going back and forth between you and Mason.
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What were some of the things that stopped you from pursuing that relationship?
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Yeah. Was there anything specific that you can share with us that maybe we didn't get to see that, you know, kind of raised some concerns on your end?
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Well, it's interesting, you know, when I was watching it there, you know, Madison was doing a lot of things that I, for me, demonstrated a lot of red flags, you know, it just seemed like she kind of seemed like a bad breaker upper. She seemed to really want Mason to like, I felt like she wanted him to be crushed and
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you know, when she decided to end it with him, and she didn't like his response, and it seemed almost kind of vengeful. She did say something that maybe kind of empathized with her, or at least understand her, where she said something to you, like, it doesn't matter, like, how much you fight or whatever, it just matters kind of like...
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how you were you know it's always like if you guys don't give up and how like you fight through it yeah and it was just like well that makes a lot of sense coming from her because it felt like this person all she knows is just conflict and fighting and it's all about the making up and getting back together which
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When I was 21 was kind of fun, I guess, but kind of to your point, I imagine that's kind of when you said you had issues with that in the past, if you've ever been in a relationship like that and you've really tried to reflect and try to have a healthier relationship going forward... You know, you realize that like, yeah, fighting isn't a good thing.
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And yeah, all couples fight and conflicts do happen. But like it's I think there are couples that look to fight. And I think there are people who look to instigate drama only to like have the resolution because the resolution makes you feel like you're coming together. Then it really kind of felt like that's the type of relationship that Madison was used to.
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Is that is that some of the stuff that you were picking up on?
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I just think people really are missing the whole point. I think people should be really kind of scared about how effective this online smear campaign of Justin Bononi's has been. As soon as like the witnesses start testifying, like the, you know, the accusation about like Justin, like claiming he didn't stop when he didn't consent and then her driver kicked him out.
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Totally. And we totally get that. Like, you know, I'm familiar with how reality TV is made and how you never really get to see a lot of things. But I am curious, you mentioned the last day. What specifically do you remember versus what was aired that made you kind of cringe a little bit?
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Yeah, it was tough after her and Mason broke up. Hearing her kind of talk shit. I think she called him a clown or something like that. It felt a little icky given that she was the one who ultimately decided she didn't want to be in that relationship. Given that she kind of came into that breakup with all the power. And I think she left with all the power.
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And for her to talk shit about Mason just felt so unnecessary.
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Yeah.
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Like if he testifies, it's over. It's pretty, it's pretty easy to prove like the kind of online activity of Justin's smear campaign, you know? They're only just debating about who threw what punch first. Anyways. More to come. We'll see what happens, but we'll see what happens when they go to a trial.
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Oh, that's crazy. Have you ever thought about growing a beard? You know, You're a very handsome guy, but you kind of... You would crush a beard.
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My wife hates my face. And I always thought I was a good looking guy before I met my wife. But a beard really... You have a sweet face, Alex. It'll roughen you up.
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This was filmed last year. And honestly, I don't know if I was fully out of my skinny jean phase last year. So where are you in that skinny jean journey?
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Do we know if there's going to be a reunion? I don't know. You're probably not even allowed to say or even if you'll be there. But if there is one and you do get invited, loose fitted suit, beard, maybe a neck tattoo. I'm kidding. Oh my God. What do you do for work, Alex?
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Oh, nice.
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Are you still friends with anyone from the cast?
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Yeah, A$AP Rocky is proven to be found not guilty. A little different than innocent, but not guilty.
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How's Mason feeling after watching him and Madison's breakup?
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And I'm pissed you broke up with her too soon, but that selfishly as a fan of the show, I am, that was triggering, but other than that, but you know, friend to Fred, you did a great job.
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All right, Alex. Well, thank you for your time. Best of luck, whatever it is you do. And maybe we'll see you on a future Netflix show some other time. There's the beach.
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Take care, buddy.
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He seems sweet.
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He's very handsome. You definitely see like this kind of like that nerdy kid inside him when he was younger that he described, you know, but he's...
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So he's like an adult.
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Any other... I thought... What was it? Devin and... Virginia? Virginia.
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But I thought that I appreciated Devin's willingness to open up about his ignorance when him and Brittany were having that conversation about her being bisexual.
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I appreciate his vulnerability just because I think, you know, he he has a viewpoint that I think a lot of people have where they have this idea that if someone's bisexual, that somehow like means that they can like switch hit, so to speak, because he kept asking Britney. It's just like, well, I just want someone to be with me. And I'm like, well, if she picks you, she will be.
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But I think there's a lot of confusion. Especially in today's climate, I don't think it's very easy for someone like Devin to acknowledge ignorance. I mean, that's what it was. It wasn't coming from a place of malice or anything like that. But I'm sure his point of view was probably triggering for some people who maybe feel judged.
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Or, you know, for for opening up about their sexuality, only to have someone like change their, you know, because it did feel like Devin, his energy, his energy changed a little bit.
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Do we have it? I love a good bet on yourself story, and this is one of the more ultimate bet on yourself stories. A man who was offered six months in prison, turned that down, was facing up to 25 years in prison, and won. That's a big bet. That's a big bet. Let me see this video. Yeah, no, he dove. He absolutely dove. That's sexy. He actually pushed someone out of the way to get to her.
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It kind of it showed that they were just kind of on two different.
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Two different pages, two different kind of stages.
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That's the problem though. It's just like the most compelling storylines. I've been into these first six episodes, but then all of a sudden we got done and I realized all the...
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We're talking about Minneapolis, St. Paul. When I was in my 20s, I lived in Milwaukee. Milwaukee is smaller than Minneapolis, St. Paul. Don't get me wrong. But they're still relatively smaller cities, right? And when you are in your 20s, early 30s, single... You're a working professional. You got a little money. There's like a socialite scene.
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When I was in my 20s going out, you're going out most Fridays and Saturday nights to the bars. There's not that many bars in these cities to go out to. And if you're frequently going out, there's a group of young professionals and you all kind of know each other. And if you don't know everyone...
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But it's not uncommon for guys and girls in a respective city to like follow people they find attractive, you know, just to like, oh, someone shows up on your Explorer page, algorithms feeding you people you, you know.
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A lot of people say they are. Cashel thought she had great vibes and was wrong about that. Like sometimes we're wrong about how confident we are about things.
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membering should be a new word yeah i mean like it go both ways i'm just saying i think some people are like watch that scene and be like oh guilty you know it's like he's he's projecting or kind of telling on himself and maybe it's a wild accusation that's for sure to be like i remembered you we have mutuals and like you followed me and unfollowed me which we don't know exactly what they find out because we haven't seen that yet but
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I think it's her get out of jail free card. I think if she decides she doesn't like him, or he's too short. Or she finds out he actually did it.
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Correct.
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Also, for a season that is lacking.
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Sure, but again, it's Minneapolis. So the show deciding to do Love is Blind Minneapolis is risking people being familiar with each other. Again, it's a relatively small city. Yeah, there might be a couple million people there, but again, when they're casting... People in their late 20s, early 30s, you're immediately narrowing it down.
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They're not going to know everyone, but they're definitely running the risk. It's a smaller community. And while they're not going to know people, but I would not be shocked to find that a lot of people got casted. They all have a lot of mutuals.
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you know like the degrees of separation there's probably not seven you know there's probably like one or two you know and there was a lot of after they got out of the pods i i it wouldn't be shocking to me so yeah i do want to see what happens with that storyline come next episode i also think sarah and ben could have an interesting i don't know i'm not completely sold on right because he has religious parents aren't accepting of like what sarah's sister like her sexuality so that's where i'm kind of like hmm hmm
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I really like the storyline. I'll see where it goes. To me, I get it. We live in polarizing times. I think Sarah needs to be reminded that she talks a lot about, I just hope he's willing to learn. I just hope he's willing to learn. It's just like, I hope she's also willing to learn. She's talking about like, oh, I'll get together with him as long as he's willing to learn what I believe in.
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For sure. And listen, I'm just saying, but if you go in just deciding like I need this person to be completely aligned with me or else, and if they're willing to learn and like subscribe to everything I believe, then we can work out. And if not, we won't. That's pretty extreme. You know, like now and I, we don't agree with everything.
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We're not checking boxes and making sure that like you believe this, you believe that. And if we don't believe that, we need to make sure we get on the same page. We just like sometimes we have differences and we just choose to like not get into it.
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wasn't immediately like hell yeah we're on the same wavelength he was just like oh i don't really i'm not there quite yet i haven't that's a pretty extreme point of view like and then my question to her is this like well what if he is willing to learn but you get to a point where he's just like not where you're at i think that like non-negotiables no matter what they sound like to anybody else if that's something that you stick to or that's something that's important to you you shouldn't have to sacrifice that either just because of an opportunity
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Listen, we now live in a time where more and more people are having a harder time connecting and getting together. Like we as human beings desire connection. We desire companionship, whether it's your family, a group of friends, whatever. We need connection. We desire romance. And I think we should embrace people like prioritizing family and like prioritizing relationships.
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connections in front of you. If her and Ben were compatible on a lot of things that when it comes down to two people spending a lot of quality time together and getting along and communicating effectively about day-to-day decisions and what they want for themselves, that's a shame that some people would say no to an otherwise great potential relationship with a lot of points of compatibility.
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Like there are people who otherwise would leave a relationship that would really work out. And there's a lot of love and connection there. But like convince themselves that this is a non-negotiable and they leave something that could otherwise be have a lot of potential.
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Should we talk a little Beverly Hills housewives before we get to Chrishell? I don't know why we opened up in Georgia again.
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How have you been? I've been great, thank you. It's nice to know. I hope you agree. But first time you came on here, it was like, oh my God, we're having Denise Richards on.
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I get that technically it's Sutton's house, but it sure seemed like an invasion of Beverly Hills housewives into Reba's house. Kind of like gossiping and talking about Reba while Reba was there. I said it from the start.
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We know we were talking last week about when Bose confronted DeReed or whatever and was talking about all that PK was allegedly scooping up lawyers. Well, I received a DM from a listener.
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Just a listener. And this listener informed me. I don't know if they have a legal background, but it made sense. That apparently, and I don't know if this is like a nationwide thing or an LA thing or a state to state thing, but a common like move divorcees will make is that apparently that if you like when you are needing a lawyer, right, you might shop around for lawyers.
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So you would do like a little meeting, like five minute meeting, 30 minute meeting and kind of like talk about your case, you know, and if you do that, like you've got dibs, so to speak.
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So if you go around town and book a bunch of like meetings with all the top lawyers and you get there quickly, that means they can't represent your your spouse because they've had a meeting, even if you don't hire them.
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So you basically like, you know, like, hey, I'm getting divorced. My wife and I are separated. I'm not sure like I might need a lawyer. So you book a bunch of meetings with all like the the top 10 law firms in Beverly Hills.
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And even if PK hires none of them or one of them, then like, you know, that's apparently, apparently this is what, this is what the, I don't know. That's accurate, but it makes sense based on what Bose was saying.
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Now we're family.
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Yeah, but would you just sit there and wait? Would you reach out to your friend? Hey, I'm down here, or you want me to come up? Clearly, they're not the best of friends or even that close, but there are cameras there. There's people in the house. I'd go upstairs and knock on that door. It felt a little performative of Sutton to do what she did, but maybe...
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And I didn't even really agree with Dorit about the whole bitch comment. It really felt like Dorit was instigating this whole thing. The whole bag thing was her instigating Sutton. I did think Sutton was a bit performative with sitting there alone. But clearly that is rude for Dorit to do.
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Well, then fine. Dorit was off her rocker there.
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But I think Sutton was wrong for that. And then it's just like sounds like I'm going to leave. It's like, OK, leave. Don't sit at her front door and have your posse come to console you and take up half the party so that when Bose comes and be like, y'all being rude. And they were being rude. If you son, if you want to go, go.
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But like, you don't need to have Garcelle and Kyle and this whole little posse talk, you know, talking about whether you should stay or should go. Then then it becomes rude.
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I think Garcelle hates bows. I think Garcelle was used to kind of getting away with whatever she wanted to say and calling out Dorit for some of the stupid things she said. And Dorit was always on an island. And even if some of the things Dorit said were a little ignorant, I don't think it ever came from a place of malice. But I think Garcelle was in a position to really like
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Give her the business anytime like Dorit stepped in it. And now she has Bose to defend Dorit and have her back. And no, you know, Bose is more than capable of like, doesn't matter that she's new. Doesn't matter that she can stand. Bose can have everyone disagree with her and she'll be calm, cool and collected. And it's driving Garcelle fucking insane.
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I imagine they're being reminded by producers of some of the hypocrisy their castmates have said. Oh, yeah, you're right. She does do that shit. And then Kyle, like when she was going at it with Bose and like painting herself as some victim of like is Bose. First of all, Kyle, it's your show, basically. Right. You are the you're the queen bee. You're the OG.
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I made Natalie cry last night though. Why? We were just talking about being parents and we're talking about our parents. And I just, I, I was empathizing with our parents. Cause you know, sometimes as we get older and like, I don't know, sometimes we just get annoyed with our parents or we have expectations of our parents or whatever, or we don't need our parents. We want things from our parents.
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Like you are the bright light of this ensemble cast. Bose is new.
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doesn't you know doesn't not friends with anyone and you're accusing her of not welcoming you Kyle that's seems a bit out of touch and then to bring up PK while sitting next to Dorit yeah as evidence is to like Bose's mistake while like so you should have blocked him like that was she was on Mars and then to look at Dorit and be like oh I'm talking to Bose I'm not she's like you said my husband's name like what fuck
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That was wild behavior.
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Boze just calls it like she sees it. And I love it. But what did Boze say? She doesn't need to be led? Basically, she's not a follower. And that's so true. She's not. And it drives...
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kyle and garcelle and and sutton crazy because like you know they don't want to think they want to accuse bows of like you know riding you know to read you know because like you know picking a different size when the truth is and we all see it is like bows truly just calls it like she sees it she's no bullshit she's got a great sense of like character she's i mean it's
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What a couple. Anyways, we'll be talking with him and get into the rest of episode three through six. I love his wine. I think that's what we were talking about.
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And yet she doesn't hold grudges.
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I just like to see Garcelle Kyle and Sutton just kind of like glitch because like they just don't know what to do with someone who's so calm and capable of standing up to them and they're kind of their bullshit and they're kind of manipulation of the shit they do when things don't go their way is some of the best television on Beverly Hills Housewives I've I've watched it's
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And I was just like, well, now that we have a kid, like every day that goes by river will need us less and less, you know, like she can't shot in the heart. So like the, and then I just started crying. Oh, You know, obviously, because she has that bond. But I was just kind of pointing out that, like, you know, we're so used to River.
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I just wish to read instead of maybe, you know, she's not thinking with a clear head. She's going through it. That all makes total sense. Like she definitely deserves grace. But I just wish she would have instead of like trying to steal Sutton's handbag. and acting like she had like rights to it.
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Just be like, hey, listen, last time I saw you, you really hurt my feelings because you really dismissed me. Like when I was just being vulnerable, talking about like my terrible divorce and how it's affecting my fucking kids. And you just like, you didn't give a fuck. Just say that.
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I gotta say, that preview for next week with Sutton basically being like, I have more money than you. Ugh.
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Either way, but, like, same thing. It's just, like, you're just being, like, it's just a competition of who married smarter.
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I guess. But, like, you know, son's wealth does come from her husband.
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And it's worth a half a million dollars a month. Look, I'm not the forensic probably worth more.
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And well, listen, she has a right to say it's her money. She obviously has more money than all of us, but he's probably three.
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We can't look away for five seconds, especially now that she's walking. Oh, I know. And so it's just like for survival, our daughter needs constant supervision. And like everything goes by, she gets a little bit more independent. And that'll be the case every day for the rest of her life. You know, and I think as we get older as adults, we will.
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Yeah, he's fine. I mean, like I'm just saying, but it's not the flex, you know, you're,
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you're trying to hurt someone's feelings let's be clear she was trying to hurt Dorit when saying this you know meanwhile again while someone's going through divorce which must be a very scary time especially if you are someone in Dorit's position because it's like Sutton doesn't have a care in the world she's just $30,000 bag like I don't know.
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Erica Jane doesn't live in the same house she used to. You know what I'm saying? That's a, that's a shift. We've been critical of Erica, but like what she has reinvented herself and to adjust and to go from a mansion of opulence and wealth to like, it's, you know, say what you want and fine. Maybe we don't have sympathy for people with money or whatever.
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And she, you know, obviously Erica still has a very charmed life, but like that is an emotional shift and that is hard to do. And some people make some very terrible and drastic decisions when they lose all their money. Or when their life drastically changed. God forbid, like, people, like, take their own life for crazy shit like that when tragedy like that happens.
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And so for Dorit to be going through something like this and not really knowing what her future looks like and Sutton to be flexing her husband's cash in her face is a choice.
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I just wish, I mean, I know you love her and she has a lot of great qualities, but she can be a real big hypocrite.
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Some more than others. Some more than others. All right. Is it time to get to Chrishell? Let's do it. All right. Up next, your favorite Selling Sunset character, Chrishell Stouse, is with us also formerly of Traders. Joins us next to catch up with what's going on in her life, her time on Traders. Let's get to the vibes.
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Before we got a Helix mattress, we were like many of you, tossing and turning, restless nights.
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Back pain sometimes. It's like, oh my God. But then we got a Helix mattress and our life changed.
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kind of push back on our parents and fight for that independence, right? And I think as parents, I'm imagining as your daughters have gotten older, you've felt that kind of... Oh, it's so hard.
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What's to get in trouble?
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You've been avoiding the show for a while.
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What did you say?
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Is this your first time in the studio?
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And you were in the one.
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What did you say?
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You definitely were. I was like, you got to come on. You're like, for sure.
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No, I know. I know.
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It's good to have you back, Rochelle.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
It's weird not having headphones on. I'm like, are we even rolling? Are we even here? Yeah, are we rolling? We are rolling.
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How have you been? So good to have you back. I'm glad that you're no longer afraid to come on.
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Yeah, but I mean, not really. I don't know. They can be. But like, you know, you're a reality TV star. What was that? I read something. You posted it. Like basically, who did that article? It was a really nice piece. You posted it.
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Vanity Fair.
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Amazing. I think they credit you for basically all of Netflix reality TV success.
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I was like, I don't know. You were the first.
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What do you think is the recipe to your success?
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We talked about this the first time you came on the show when you were on Dancing with the Stars. But like, and you probably, Chris and I were supposed to do a movie together.
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I was supposed to play her crazy boyfriend from the past or something. It was like a lifetime. You did this movie. Did you end up doing that movie? No, I didn't. You didn't. It was supposed to film in Buffalo, New York or something.
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Did you do that one?
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Really?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I think it's Amazon. I got offered the role, and I didn't know. This was long before Selling Sunset. It was like, so-and-so's why. I was like, oh, cool. She seems nice, you know, whatever.
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Yeah, I was going to be the bad guy.
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It looked like a lot of fun. I just felt like maybe this wasn't like, it just didn't feel like it was for me. Yeah. You know?
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I'm sure, you know, I feel like this is one of those, you know how like sometimes it's almost, it feels like it's rude in like the actor world to like talk about roles you turn down because it's somehow disrespectful to the person who ended up playing this role. So I don't want to disrespect.
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Turns out we ended up being friends anyways. There you go. And now we're in the reality TV space.
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Do you think you'll ever act again?
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And as Chrishell Stiles?
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Do you like the holiday Christmas genre more?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Then we have another icon herself. Grishel Staus is with us to talk about her time on Traders. Catch up with her. Great conversation that we have with Grishel. Very exciting stuff for you ahead. What's going on with this fish? All right. I came in here. You guys are obsessed with some fish. You asked me if I watched Finding Nemo. I was like, why do I care about this?
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Speaking of Selling Sunset, where are we in the franchise? Are you guys filming or is there anything going on? Are you allowed to say anything?
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Nine seasons? Man, that's crazy.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Does it come out more than once a year?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I mean, I haven't been doing this show for that long.
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Last season, there was some toxicity going on in the group a little bit. Was that fair to say?
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Are there any storylines that, again, I don't know what you can and cannot talk about, but is there reconciliation at all with any of the women? Or are there more fights? Where do you stand with everyone right now? Cause there was that whole, like, honestly, we're Chelsea. No, no, no. Really? We have actually, we have a mutual enemy.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I mean, I'm, I'm joking when I say enemy, enemy for wasting my goddamn motherfucking time.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You're arch nemesis.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yes. Thank you. She was supposed to come on and you, it was like her first season on and like, I don't know. She was caught up in whatever drama you were going on.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
either way we were, you didn't want to come on. So we were going to like, have like having a call, you know? And she's like flaked twice, like last minute.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And she mentioned me back and forth and it was all this. It was like, it was just, you know,
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I wouldn't come on the show if you're lying. Exactly.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Oh, that is fun. So you have your new show out. Yes, we have a new show. Love the name. Thank you. Did you come up with it? No, I did not. Alex Baskin did. Good old Alex. Yeah. Great name, right? It's a great name. It's a great name. I'm very excited about it. Thank you. I think all of Bravo Nation is excited to have you back.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Do you think this will be the last season?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
when they call you up and you're like, really? Again?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I've never thought of that before.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
The only reason that question came to mind, because well, one, most reality TV shows don't last nine seasons. And if they do, it's not with the same cast. You know, I think you've had, you guys have had some turnover, but a lot of, a lot of you remain the same. And so like, that's just, you know, I have to be around for nine seasons. Yeah. You know, like you want me back or not?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You know, like I did.
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Hats off to you.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
The bottom's red.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And what are those called again?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I learned this, I think, in the past 12 months that they're not Louis Vuitton.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Past month.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What do they look like visually different, the spelling?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And does Louis Vuitton sell pumps?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And vice versa.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Well done. Traders. So much fun.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Except for your vibes.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
It's all fun and games. Who cares? Although some people watch this show forget it's a game.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And are you referring to your castmates or the fans?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Were you feeling any type of like anxiety or nerves about that or feeling like maybe people weren't excited?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Was Nikki like pissed?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I mean, shit, like I'm, I'm a competitive person. I don't know if you are either, but like I've gotten mad losing Monopoly. So like I can imagine, you know, a friend voting you off again, it's still a game. Like you have to, you know, at the end of the day, like you, there are no teams.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I mean, like Dylan's been wrong.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Where do you and Tom Sandoval stand today? Have you guys... That's a feud I really love, to be honest.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And is it real or are you guys just giving him a hard time?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So he was kind of like, you kind of went up to him, and you were like, listen, I'm friends with Ariana.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I mean, when I was on Special Forces with Tom, I... I didn't know. I hadn't really met him. And I was like, hey, I know who you are. I have a show. I've talked a lot of shit, you know, because I just I didn't want to be like a wolf in sheep's clothing. I didn't want to like, you know, kind of try to explain, you know, we have a show. I didn't really know you.
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You know, I don't know you, but like I look forward to getting to know you and yada yada. But it's a completely different show. Like you're supposed to unite and come together. And Traders literally is not supposed to trust anyone. Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Anyway, when you say like so when you're talking off camera, you say the rules are you can't really talk about what's going on in the show.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You can talk about like, I don't know. And at the time, the traders hadn't even been sports or something.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I don't even know.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What I mean, did you get to know him at all?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I was we got a chance to interview Sam a couple weeks ago and I I've kind of fell in love with him. You know, I don't know what I think he's you know, I said to him, I think everyone knows who you are and no one knows who you are because like we all know him as like the ex of.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You know, Brittany, this massive icon, we only knew what we thought or heard or assumed, you know, and I was really impressed by, you know, just who he was and chatting with him. But like, what was your opinion of, I mean, what, when you first met him, were you kind of like me where it's just like, who is this guy?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Well, that iconic line when it was like, dude, you're being such a bitch. Don't call your sister a dude.
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And then you find out who he is and you kind of wonder, you know, there's so many questions. Like, what was that like for you?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
But yeah, so I. That's such a shame she got voted off so early. I know. I know she's so funny.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So you like what you learn, but.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
There was a, when, when Danielle killed you or exiled you or whatever, she said to you, no one was going to vote you off. Basically saying like, everyone knows you're a faithful. Did you agree with her? And what do you think she meant by that? I'm really fascinated. And I think I, who did I ask?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I think I asked Rob this too, because there seems to be some people where like everyone, including the traders, there's just like, yeah, they're just, we know they're a faithful. Which is interesting because how do you know anyone's anything? If you don't know who the traitors are, then how do you know who's definitely a faithful?
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And I am curious what you think she meant by that and if you agreed.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I get the, I get the problem of almost being tooth faithful, but how did, cause like I could picture, you know, I don't know, like if I'm on that show with you, let's say I was on the season with you. Right. I would have been like, if I'm thinking going in, who would, who would they pick to be? a trader, you could definitely, you would be on the top of my list.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Like, well, you, you know, you're obviously a lovely, nice person, right? Like easy to be around. People enjoy your company. You're popular, but you're not, you're smart and you're, you're, you're, you're very like sophisticated.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
But I know you enough to know that you're smart. And I know that like you, you, But I guess, and I don't know what everyone else thought about you, but clearly whatever you did, you were like, everyone's like, yeah, well, she is definitely a faithful. And I'm just curious, what did you do to make everyone, even so much so, believe that you're almost too faithful?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Like during like you're playing the game, you almost like.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Wow. Did you do any prep going into the show? Like, did you play a lot of what's the game?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Did Rob blow your mind when he was like, like just how calculated you were?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I just want to play with him. Did you ever suspect he was a traitor?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And I imagine when you guys discussed filming the show, like you went to your husband and the girls and asked their interest in doing it. Definitely.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I feel like if you can figure out who the traitors are and not tell anyone and get close to the traitors, that's gotta be the move. And don't tell the traitors, just keep it to yourself and make the traitors feel like you believe in them because then they will see you as an ally.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And where did you shop before you went? Like, did you come fully ready to go? Do they provide anything?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Credit to the cast. Cause he all like really look like, I mean, Rob has a backward hat, but.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Even the red dress you went home with?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Ready to go home or, like, really sad FOMO after you got killed?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah, you did have a dramatic death. You're right about Dance with the Stars too. That's even worse because if you, like it's still on and it's live and you see them all performing and you're like, I was there last week. Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
That's amazing. How's G?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Stuff going around.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Everyone seems to...
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah. Yeah. It's, I swear. And do they make, does, is anyone doing shit like that? Swear on your kids? Like, are people out there telling you to do that?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
She was basically saying, would you swear on your kids? Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Just out of curiosity, though, when Danielle did that, did people play along with her or people were like,
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And it's kind of like the content. It's lighter.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Like the show is very, like I'm assuming it's only on Sunday. You guys have to show up and figure out what the fuck.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And no one's like...
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Is there anyone you can't be in the room with on Selling Sunset?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
No.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And that's excluding Nicole.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
We'll see some Housewife cameos, it looks like. Yeah, yeah. Mostly Bev Hills, or are we going to have some other franchise crossovers? Mostly Bev Hills. Are you watching this season at all? I've only seen a few episodes this season. Because last night was crazy.
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You don't think he'd be good at it?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
It's British food.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
It's more like game playing. I'm just curious who you think would do well.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I could see that.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I, you know, they asked season one and they, they've always like, they checked in. I just like, it's, it's been too hard to do.
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Someday I hope I get the opportunity. Like, I think it would be a lot of fun and like, you know, like having friends who have gone out and had a good time. Yeah. I think someday, like, you know, we're doing so much here, but you know, someday I hope I get the chance.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I did Special Forces, Chrishell. Oh, that's right. And then The Bachelor, which is even worse. Yeah.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I don't think I would find it to be that much of a change.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
It was a good episode, yeah. Oh. Who are you close with? Camille. Specifically like this season and anyone on this current season? Sutton and Garcelle. Sutton and Garcelle. And Kathy. Okay. I love Kathy. Can you help us get Kathy on this show? Yes. I DM'd her once and she wrote back. She's like, let's do it. And then we went back and forth and she has since ghosted me.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Tom.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Was he really proud of it? I mean, I'm proud of that experience.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
How's the real estate market out there?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Anything else you want to talk about? Was this hard? Easy? Did you have fun?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Now I feel like we have to ask her more questions.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
No, I'm just kidding. You're in love. You're happy. Everything's great.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Five years from now, what would be your dream come true? Like, describe your life. And I want specifics. I'm like, I'm happy and healthy. Let's assume we're happy and healthy.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Conceiving is always a very emotional time and scary time, regardless of who you are. And can I ask some questions around that? Sure.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What's the process that you guys are going through?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Well, I'm excited for you both. Thank you. And I wish, luck seems like I'm wishing you nothing but luck.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
But I certainly know that can be an emotional time. So, you know, just, you know, be there for each other, obviously. I'm sure, obviously, you guys are. But anything else?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I can go deeper. I mean, like, what's your trauma? Let's unpack it, Rochelle.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You're the one who's like, that's it? As if I didn't do my job.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What do you mean?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
No.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You know, Natalie and I, we've been sharing more anecdotal stories about our love life. I was absolutely right, though. I know the internet completely disagreed with me.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I think we would have so much fun. Oh, you would.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You're a great person to ask because I do feel like a lot of... Mine and Natalie's like discussion and more subsequently, like the opinions of the Internet. I feel like it was more gender based.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You know, guy job versus girl job.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And I feel like with you and G, who's doing what? Because like you guys don't have to conform to some of the gender stereotypes that maybe your, you know, heterosexual relationships do.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Who's getting the water?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
There was that scene last night where they were all fighting and Buzz was like, you should just be quiet. And Kathy's like, you're right.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
For the record, I want to say that there are several nights each week where I am in bed and then have to get out of bed to do whatever. So the in bed first rule does not apply to members of our family.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I am traumatized by that.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Yeah, we're just a vessel for all relationships out there to feel seen.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Chrishell, I always love seeing you.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I just want this to be harmless for you. So then, you know, next time when I'm like, come back and you're just like.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You should be on twice a year.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I don't know. You're a busy bee. You're a fascinating person. Are you watching any TV? Are you doing any?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Are you doing Severance at all?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Oh my God. Where are you?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You're caught up.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I will make a call when I leave here. I would really appreciate it. And also, I just want to say how proud I am of you on your special forces appearance.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
No, there's no more Bachelorette.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Are you kidding? I love White Lotus. Did you watch the first episode? Yes. I thought the first episode was a little slow.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
What is the new song?
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I understand it's episode one. You got all these things mature. You got the story right. But I was like...
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I have to shut up.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Well, this is the second floating dead body to start the season, so...
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I think it's going to be great, but... The reviews, I mean, everyone says this is... They've hyped this up.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
No, but I don't know. Critics, I don't know. Someone, the internet, you know, maybe it's Mike White himself, but like... But Parker Posey can do anything.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Denise had called me up a few months after she had came on the show. And for people who don't remember or who didn't listen to that episode, Denise was very interested in asking questions about my time on Special Forces.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I love the people in the cast.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
I've just, you know, but I've heard this is like...
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
So unmemorable for me.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Like we love you. Thanks for coming.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
All right, well, thanks for listening, and thank you to all our guests, Denise Richards, Alex from Love is Blind, and Chrishell Stouse. We love them all. We've got a great week lined up for you next week, so be sure to tune in. Until then, have a great weekend. Bye.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Oh, okay. You liked the idea.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
You were still on the fence. Yeah. I was still on the fence. Now that I went to, I remember it because now that I decided to like drive to Calabasas for brunch. Yeah. It was one of those things, like, let's do something different, you know? And it went by, that was a nally. Let's do something different. So we drove to Calabasas for a brunch that wasn't as good. Whatever. Anyways, Denise called.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
And I was like, Denise, why aren't you calling me? I'm like, I have a friend.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
But Nini's called and she had some questions about special forces. And I was, I answered those questions and she ended up doing it. And you were so like committed to doing well. And that was your big thing when you called is like, you really wanted to go and kind of test yourself and see what you're capable of. And I really admired that.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Well, I thought it was incredible. You were literally a speeding boat jumping onto a helicopter and you did that.
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E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
Exactly. Like when I went into that show, I was like, oh, they're going to give us all this training. And no, what happens is like you're standing on like, I don't know, the shoreline. And then they go look over there and they like demo. They're like, this is what you're going to do. Watch. And they're like, go do that. That's it. That's all the training you get.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Regardless of how messy Carolina is, like, prioritizing your time with the lead while other people are prioritizing how much time someone else got. Like, I'll always side with the person prioritizing themselves.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Super excited about it. Heather McDonald will be joining us briefly to get into all sorts of headlines. We'll talk a little Bev Hills Housewives with her. And then we have Mark Wahlberg, the more famous Mark Wahlberg from the hit show Temptation Island that just debuted yesterday on Netflix.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And Dina, like, for someone who went as far as Dina did, who didn't even, as we now, you know, now Dina has admitted that it was her who didn't allow her family to come. Like, I don't know if Dina's protecting her family, falling on the sword, or maybe that's the truth, but like she's top four.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She decided not to bring her family and she's wasting, she's spending most of her time talking about the actions of Carolina. You know, it's just like, you could do that. That's one move, but it's, it's this kind of a loser mentality.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I see Leah's point. What are these bachelorette rumors? Are they still going and flowing around? I see Leah's point, too, and I don't know where she is.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She could have been messy, but she was teasing. Both are true, but her intention, I don't think her big priority was giving ABC a solid. You know?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And listening to the way you're describing that, if you would have, without names, being like, who said this in this way? I would have been like, oh, that's so Carolina.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know what I'm saying? Because that's giving messy. To do one thing that's so obvious and then pretend that you have no idea what they're talking about.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
The lawyer, Dina. Come on, Dina. Right.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
No, but that's the thing. That's the producer. You know, that's the crowd.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. There's also editing in that, too. They do, like, fake applauses for those types of shows. And then they insert the applause and the boos whenever they want, the facial expressions. America's Got Talent does this, too.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Why have we been sleeping on the show? Is it just like it hasn't had a proper home? I didn't even realize it was on Peacock.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Are there people still speculating on who was supposed to be the Bachelorette? Or is that old news?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I'm fairly confident that last part's not true. I know one of the people they were seriously looking at
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Cool. Solved it.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
We're not going to tell you.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You can guess. But it would have been awesome. It would have been amazing. It was from an older season. And when I found out, I was really disappointed they decided not to move forward with it.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You want to guess?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
We can still guess.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
It was. I think there was just too much. I was on.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Welcome back. How are you?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, I had so much fun chatting with you.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I think you forget about it.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. But in this case, for example, James Kennedy, I'll use a perfect example. After, you know, when when we saw each other at Kathy Hilton's party, we saw we saw James. We talked to him. Then we found out that he got arrested and I blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was very critical of James. Like, I didn't think to myself, oh, I still follow James Kennedy.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
It was brought to my attention, though. And I was like, why do I follow James Kennedy? And then I unfollowed him because like, I don't want to follow this piece of shit. I don't want anyone. That's fine. I think I don't want people to think that I want to associate myself with him. I don't think just because you follow someone, it doesn't necessarily means that.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But for me personally, I was more like, you know what? I don't want to follow him. It was brought to my attention. So I'm just going to unfollow the guy.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, I don't know. I'm optimistic. I hope that it blows up. For some reason, I feel like with Peacock, things can get sometimes lost in the shuffle. Not that Netflix doesn't have what seems to be like an unlimited inventory of shows and TV shows, but their reality love competition shows seem to always perform on some level.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But you're allowed to unfollow people.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Also like everyone around that area. Like everyone knows. But hanging out for 30 minutes. Everyone's talking about them. You know, for him to change to act like he didn't know who they were. So then why did you want a picture with them? Everyone around them, I'm sure was pointing. Oh my God, that's the Tate brothers.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Why does Jax still have access to their son?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean, if he has an admitted cocaine problem, I think that would that would justify a removal or if nothing else to have like.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Here's my question. And I love the Valley as a fan. But man, it's like these reports of Jax always seem to pop up right around the time that the Valley is about to premiere. And it's just like, man, are these people using their just terribly toxic lives? And we're a child's involved in this really grotesque story. And it's really unfortunate and sad to promote the Valley.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Sure, yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh, yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But like, it is, it is so good.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
It's been around for almost, I mean, as long as The Bachelor was around. And most people like have just been like, like myself have been sleeping on it.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And we talk about it a little bit.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
There wasn't really.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
It was more bachelor alumni. That's what I'm saying. But talking about the bachelor. Yeah. I mean, like any bachelor person who had a podcast on some level, you know, you kind of, you play your hits, so to speak, right? You know, you play, you talk about, you know, what works and then it's very hard to like grow outside of it. Now let's talk about wellness, you know.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, but I guess to that point is those people did move on, whoever they are or they live in their lives.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
His name's Grant. Yeah. Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
This is different TV shows.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
They're the same age. I think we just got older.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You watched the first season?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You team Dorit, team Kyle. Oh, so I watched it last night. You watched it. Can you explain to me why we're still talking about Kyle and Mo's divorce? Because honestly, I don't give a fuck anymore.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Last night, like real time?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Because I can never really tell when it's airing. And it's like, was this six months ago?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Anyways, it's out on Netflix. It came out Wednesday, yesterday. I think all 10 episodes are out. So they're not releasing it in batches or anything like that. So binge over the weekend because we'll be talking about it next week. It's a... Pretty juicy. And we'll also be talking about it later this episode. We're interviewing its host, Mark Wahlberg. And by the way, very impressed with Mark.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I understand. But like the agency, like, I don't know, they do billions of dollars of sales worldwide. You would see it. You would think the CEO of that company is doing pretty, pretty good for himself. But maybe that's not the case.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I really don't know.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, but he's the CEO of this massive company. Right, so I'm just saying it's just like a churning thing. He's the founder and CEO. He's the founder and CEO.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
He might be over leveraged.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So maybe they're not getting divorced because there's no prenup. And it's just more like, hey, please don't divorce me because then we'd have to split a bunch of assets and it would just be too complicated. And maybe they're disagreeing to stay together and then keeping the storyline going.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
That's fine. I guess I don't go.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Do you care? Get along. Because I don't.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
No. I don't care.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I think.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I think they're more than friends.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I don't know what that means.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Morgan said Kyle stalked her. That's what I'm saying.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I'm sorry.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
That's fair.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
This man is actually listening. He gives good advice. He gives good advice.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
pronounce his name correctly so Mauricio she's like what does she call him I also think it's weird that nobody called him Mo like the first seven seasons of the show and now they all do we found out last night episode that he's Mexican you just found that out he's a Mexican Jew did not know that I guess the last name yeah kind of threw me off what did you think the accent was I don't I don't know yeah I guess it was the last name I thought it was more I felt like Russian or something yeah yeah yeah
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Are we team Dorit?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
How do we feel about that?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
It's great. As someone who someday would love to host some sort of rally TV competition show.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
He's like the opposite of Mo.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean, he's living in an apartment, you know? It's not like he's Boyd George's manager. I, for the love of God, don't know where he's getting all this money, you know?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Well, sure. But also it's just like, you know, I love giving advice, the Ask Nick element. But like the truth is, like, for example, Bachelor, like partly it's just like, I don't know. You know, it's like a chicken before the egg question. Like, does the show not allow it because they don't want to make the host more of a part of the show?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Well, at least the theory about him wanting to divorce her for this 10-year benchmark, I think... She has got to go get a hot... I want to see her date.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Or is it just like the hosts aren't capable, so they don't ask the host to do it kind of question? Right. You know, and, um, Mark Wahlberg certainly seems capable. Um, and, and they, I love to see how they utilize them. It's not even that, it's not like it's a whole part of the show. It's just like when he does talk to him, he's actually saying things.
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I still think Bronwyn's one of the more real ones.
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She's one of the few housewives in the entire franchise that can just even acknowledge that maybe she was wrong.
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Was it like historically with Jesse and Chris, it was always like, you know, tell me about your feelings and be like, all right, well, good luck. You know, like throw them to the wall. That was like, well, what, what the fuck? Uh-huh. Like, I thought you were going to help me out here. Like, I thought you were going to offer me some guidance. That never really happens on The Bachelor.
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Soaps don't pay anymore, you know?
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15 bucks an hour versus $50,000 a month. But I also feel like...
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Whatever you think about OnlyFans, I don't think that's going to stop her from having the opportunity if she wants to pursue acting.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Do you know Denise that well?
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She could be so out of touch. And there are so many housewives. Beverly Hills are probably maybe the most. Yeah. where they act very out of touch. They've act very Hollywood elite. And then you have Denise Richards, who is one of the most famous housewives with a pedigree that most don't have. Most of the housewives are just famous as housewives. And the fact that Denise is so down to earth,
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And so cool. And her ex-husband's Charlie fucking Sheen. And I just I have so much respect for her because she can be crazy, Denise, and say her like, don't call your sister a dude. You know, perfect. Don't call your sister a dude. And then she has such a big heart and she's so down to earth. And I think it says so much about who she is. And I love her so much.
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But anyways, check out Temptation Island if you haven't already. Tell All was last night. Also coming up in this episode, Sarah from Love is Blind. We have some burning questions for Sarah. Like, did they really talk about whether they were going to say I do or I don't before they actually got to the altar? Is she dating Joey?
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speculation online about a potential budding romance between her and joey who if you haven't seen have you seen this i was scared to click it this morning uh turns out joey from love is blind minnesota auditioned for the bachelor um and it's and that's like out there publicly I don't know where this got found out. Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh, it's like cancel culture.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Check it out. Thank you, Heather. Well, thank you to Heather McDonald. Up next, we have the host of Temptation Island, a show that now is available for all on Netflix. It's had quite a run. We talked about it on the episode from Fox to USA to Peacock and now Netflix.
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And I really hope it's found its home because this show, if you like reality TV love competition shows, this is as dramatic as anyone you'll ever have seen. So join us. But right now, it's Mark Wahlberg.
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I guess. And then, you guys maybe saw this, but I finally got to see Ben, his YouTube business card.
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Why do people have business cards? It's rough.
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Head to functionhealth.com slash V-I-A-L-L or enter code V-I-A-L-L when signing up to skip the waitlist. What's up, everybody? Mark, how's it going, man?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So Mark was supposed to be in studio. He's a little under the weather. He spared us his germs. We appreciate that, though. No one wants to get sick. It's thoughtful of you.
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Good for you. It's awesome.
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That's amazing. Congratulations. And I hope that you, as the, you know, later, maybe in a couple of weeks, you can come back, maybe as the people are watching. I got to say, Mark, I started watching. I've seen the first two episodes of this season. You've seen more than me. Okay. Well, I have not watched Temptation Island since my sophomore year of college.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
When were business cards popping?
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And that was season one when it was... Like what year? Fox, like 2001. Was that...
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Yeah. When it was like on Fox.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. The original. I was like all in.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Look at this business card.
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It looks like he's selling houses. It's a form of professionalism.
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Yeah.
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It's a really good show, man. I was really excited to see that Netflix picked it up. It's obviously bounced around. I didn't even realize it was on Peacock at the time.
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Yeah, USA.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. They're, they're a behemoth and I'm very, I'm very optimistic and very hopeful, Mark, that this, that, that people stop sleeping on this show because I myself have been sleeping on it. If you like Love Island and, I mean, it really honestly seems like Temptation Island, to your point, when you watch this show, it's just like, oh, so this is where Perfect Match got this idea.
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QR codes? Linktree.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
This is where Love Island got Movie Night idea. I mean, you guys really are an OG show. You've been around for a long time. You've been on and off the air, but like it really is the same blueprint with you, the original host. And I'm really hoping that Temptation Island has finally found its home in Netflix and that people, it has this like viral revolution because damn, it's excellent television.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean, it's so good. And may I say, Mark, since I'm kissing your ass right now. Kiss away. What a breath of fresh air you are as a host.
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And like you're you're you're listening to what they're saying. You're giving earnest advice like on The Bachelor. It's like they have these fake sit downs with the host and it's just like they're opening up about all their problems and they get like a pat on the back and like, well, good luck. I hope you don't fuck up your life. And you are, you know, like. Have you always been that way?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
First of all, the advice that you give is sound and good and thoughtful. How did that become a part of the show? Is that something you've always enjoyed doing? I'm like, I'm myself. I love to give advice and things like that. And it's part of the show. But sometimes with these types of shows, it's like the host isn't the focal point type of thing. You kind of have to balance that out.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So how did it all come to be where you're sitting down and really being a voice of wisdom. You care about these people, and it's evident in watching.
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Our show is
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But the link tree is in your bio. So real estate agents and OnlyFans models are using link tree?
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Yeah, well, how much you care is evident. And, you know, I'm curious watching it and I'm excited to see the rest of the episodes. But obviously the premise of the show has a very kind of scandalous kind of taboo element to it where people are, you know, come in and relationships are dating other people. But at the same time, do you believe like it?
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It almost seems like, you know, outside of the scandalous element of the show that you believe a lot of these people get the clarity that they need, whether that's clarity about this relationship or staying in the relationship they came in with isn't serving them as well as maybe discovering that grass is, you know, maybe greener on the other side.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
If you were to kill me, how would you kill me?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But yeah, you seem to, despite, you know, the juicy, scandalous sex scene, sexual element of the show, you bring that heartfelt element to the show where it almost balances out the kind of salaciousness of the premise of the show.
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And would you reach out to an incarcerated inmate?
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How quickly have you seen people break their rules or maybe they don't have rules and act out physically with a tempter or temptress? What do you call the people not in relationships?
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So yeah, how quickly have you seen it? Or can we expect this season, how much switching teams can we expect?
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Okay.
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Not like a good plan, right?
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That's awesome. What can people expect differently, if anything at all, now that it's on Netflix versus when it was maybe airing in previous places?
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Yeah, let's go buy some rat poison.
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Yeah, but like, yeah, at the guy's villa, it's a party with all the temptresses and at the women's villa. Yeah, it's like a therapy session for all the girls to basically just talk about their shitty boyfriends.
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The host? Who is this person, Justin?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Ghost Adventures?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
What I was kind of like surprised by when I was watching episode two, where you, you know, you start getting into the relationship dynamics and things like that. And the men and women separate. So much of the show talks about the physicality of these relationships and will they, won't they get physical with, with someone else. But another element is how much shit talking.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
these people in these relationships seem to do about each other and not to downplay a physical like violation, but to me, like it's just, it's more, I, I, I don't know. Honestly, I think there's a world where I would rather have my partner do something physically, um,
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and us work through that rather than, you know, here's someone just talk some mad shit about my character or what I do to some stranger or someone also trying to date my girlfriend or whatever. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, to me, that's such a violation.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Right. Yeah. It's not that hard. I mean, come on. Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She wasn't allegedly arrested. She was arrested.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
It is. Mark, this has been so much fun chatting with you about the show. I hope you get an opportunity to feel better and come in and chat with us in studio. But excited to see how this show performs on Netflix because I'm really excited about its potential. Really enjoying the first two episodes and excited to see what's to come.
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We appreciate you, man. You're, you're a legend and love what you do, man. And, uh, it's just, it's refreshing to see a host. Uh, and I understand that not every host gets the opportunity, but like you can tell you give a shit and I think it makes it so much better. Um, and you connect with, uh, the audience. Yeah. So I, I appreciate you and what you do, man. It's been fun talking to you.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Right back at you, man. Appreciate you as well. And we'll talk soon.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I love this show. I really hope it's a huge hit.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. Do you imagine?
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Yeah, like, first of all, this temptress is someone who, like, everyone knows is potentially interested in dating him. Let alone, like, just, could you imagine Connor going to work and just critiquing your performance? Or your appetite for sex?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Well, I mean, how much are they showing, too? You know, like, the producing side, you know, granted... They know enough. You know, like, with Heather, we were joking about, oh, I heard you're talking shit about Nick, and it's like, did you listen to the podcast?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And, like, it's always, like, some... You know, like, in the producers, when they're showing at the bonfires, the clips, it could definitely be, like, you know, six seconds of an 18-second, you know, soundbite, and those six seconds really...
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
No, before that, he was like, she's unreal. No, she's insane.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Insane? That was... Y'all, it's a crazy show. He might... Taylor... Is it Taylor's the guy?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Tyler's the guy? Yeah. He seems just... He's giving Tom Sandoval. In the sense that we're like, he's just... He's a little too...
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
dense to realize that saying oh she's insane looking and calling her dear like it doesn't register with his brain that that would be something that his girlfriend would not want to hear like he's like he's too dense to you he's like oh i'm i'm sorry yeah also dear is so like 17th century now i'm like are we still calling people dear in today's society yeah it was interesting that like it wasn't like thank you baby you know like do you think the drama with logan is like fabricated
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
This sounds like the movie Terrible Bosses, where they're like, who do you find to kill someone? So they went to where they thought criminals would be.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh, they sound actually more toxic than any couple.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She's almost kind of implying that he's just like a really shitty boyfriend and treats her really bad.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
They get to know their point of view and, like, their feelings. And I really like that. Yeah, because it humanizes them and doesn't, like, because at first they come out in abs and bikinis. It's awesome.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
you know and they're everyone is sexy and so the you know everyone you know you assume that like they're just kind of douchey and and they're just you know throw you know leading with their bodies and whatever sexual one-liners my guilty pleasure is sucking dick yeah that was a line that was no innuendo
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Girl, don't feel guilty.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Well, all the episodes are out. We've only watched the first two. I don't know what you guys have planned this weekend, but we highly recommend you guys checking out Temptation Island on Netflix. We will be watching it and talking a little bit about it next week because we're hoping you guys watch it because we love it and hoping you guys join along.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Even they love Island intros. Like all the girls are like, I'm like, okay, girl, get your dance out. And the guys come out and they're like jiggling. And I'm like, no, please stop. You're not allowed to have fun. Don't do that.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Just stand there and look bored and grumpy.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know, that's all you can do is a guy. But like, yeah. And I do feel like at first the women are at a disadvantage because like men are simple and stupid and like, you know, hot, good looking men. All they have to do. is like move the wrong way or open their mouth and say something and it's like an immediate ick.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And like guys, it's like you can annoy the fuck out of us beyond belief, but if them titties are out, like we... Whatever you say.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
No, I get it. I guess what is the going, right?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
sure yeah you're like love love your personality like oh my god i i'm just saying like you know you're looking at some cities no but if the titties are looking at you the cities are looking at you no none but i'm saying on on temptation i think sarah from love is blind sarah from love is blind is here uh and we have some questions hi sarah how's it going how are you We're good. How are you?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
How's your heart?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
We're here to serve, Sarah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
anything you want to talk about or just in general, is it show related or?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
What's been the most difficult part about this experience?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know, there's obviously been a lot of talk about your relationship with Ben, you know, why you guys broke up and things like that. I thought it was a very interesting storyline just because, you know, obviously the times that we live in and things like that and a lot of strong opinions on both sides of things. But ultimately, you and Ben met in the pods, got to know each other.
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What was it about time outside of the pods that really made you feel like he couldn't get to a place that you needed him to go? Cause it, you know, it, it, it did seem like he was open-minded. He may not be where you're at, but he seemed open-minded. Um, and I guess what was the big disconnect for you that ultimately caused you to say, this isn't my guy?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And why do you, when you say who he is, who do you think he is? Like, what do you mean by that?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Interesting. Uh, what did you make of his YouTube business card?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Did you confront Ben about it at least?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Did you bring it up to him after, after the wedding and before Nashville?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Has he spoken? I mean, do you know any more than we know as it relates to like Ben's version of this business card? Because it's a really weird look to be a guy who's not really that much on YouTube to be handing out this business card with people he has a night of passion with.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
What is your opinion on Madison? She seems fairly toxic from just a viewer's point of view and seems to be pretty dead set on trying to make anyone that she was involved with on this show look bad. Like, is that a fair criticism or do you think she's being unfairly represented by the edit?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know who also was arrested?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Former bachelorette. What's her name?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. Who? Well, she was a bachelorette a long time ago.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
In the battle between Madison and the other two men, whose character would you trust a little bit more? I guess I'm curious.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I think you've said enough. And you don't have to answer this either. But there's some speculation that you might be hanging out with Joey.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Okay, yeah. And is there any truth to it or...
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I guess. What happened, Leo?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But you're also definitely not dating.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Can we say we definitely won't be dating in the future?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Have you seen his bachelor audition tape?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, it seems like maybe Joey and Ben had a bit of an interest of being in the limelight prior to Love is Blind. I mean, in Bachelor World, we might say they were there for the wrong reasons, given some of this previous content. Or maybe they're just goofy gals, you know?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Could both things be true? And like, couldn't he be nervous about, you know, a reunion, not having done something like that before, knowing it's going to be recorded on national television, knowing it's going to be picked apart, knowing that majority of the audience are women.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Zach Bryan has a new girlfriend.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Like, couldn't it be fair for him to want to get advice or take the advice from previous people without making his desire to be on the same page with you insincere? Like, can't they both be true?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Knowing that you did not confront Ben about the business card, I actually understand your point of view better now because it's like all you had was this like business card and this like accusation and you, you know,
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
almost felt silly didn't want to bring it up then you didn't bring it up then almost felt unfair to bring it up now but you still knew about in the back of your mind and that that kind of gave a very insincere i'm assuming impression of ben so it makes me understand your point of view better but i guess you know to nally's question in mind like now that the dust has settled so to speak
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Like, do you slightly regret coming for him? Or based on what you know now, putting everything together, does your gut tell you that your instincts were more right? Or was it maybe just like, you know, you guys were all just kind of caught up in this machine that is love is blind in the reunion? Like, which one do you think is more accurate now that the dust has settled?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Did he tag her?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Okay. That's valid. That's fair. Okay. Any other questions for our girl?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Stay out of the comments.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, get offline and get outside. That's my advice. People are very, I'm sure it feels heavy right now. When I, my first time on The Bachelor, I was, I don't know if you know anything about it, but I was very much the villain. And online, I was public enemy number one. And there wasn't anyone else to shit on. It was... Just me.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And when I went outside, I was treated like a rock star and everyone loved me and everyone wanted to take pictures and everyone was super nice outside. And online, they were very different. But the real world is what matters and online is just people who don't have the guts to say something to your face. And they go away and they come back. It's not real. Get outside. That's our advice.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Well, we know where they met. Definitely on Raya. Yeah. Yeah. Not on the beach?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And I'm sure if anyone recognizes you, I promise you they'll be very nice.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
If you're looking for validation online, you will only find pain. I promise you.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So I would, yeah, I would, I would, I would stay off, uh, offline for the most part for the next month or so. Enjoy the real world. It's pretty good out there.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know, she's from Australia.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And it's warming up in Minnesota. So, you know, or Nashville, wherever you are.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
All right, Sarah, I appreciate you taking the time. Best of luck in the future. And thanks for answering our questions.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
No worries. All right. Take care. Bye.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
All right. Bye.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
all right you know that i do understand where she came from knowing that she didn't confront ben about the business card i was probably just eating her alive and she just like wanted to ask him about it but she wanted to she wanted to be nice and look out for him yeah i get it i get it she there's something fishy about madison they're all afraid of her they don't want to answer the question they all clearly think she's toxic and they don't want to say something
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
wrap it up for this episode. Just want to give a special thank you to all of our audience members. You guys are also part of the household. It's been 900 episodes. I always, every time we have one of these kind of, I don't know what you call it, but monumental episodes, it certainly reminds me of our first couple ones. We've come a long way.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And I know a lot of you have been with us from the beginning. And whenever you guys joined us, we're happy to have you a part of the family and part of the household. And we hope to be with you for 900 more. Thank you to our guests, Heather McDonald, Mark Wahlberg, and Sarah from Love is Blind. Also, be sure to check out our Going Deeper episode with Emmy and Will from Southern Hospitality.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
It's definitely a doozy. If you're not watching the show, you should check it out. It's like a new Vanderpump. And if you aren't watching the show, it's still a very juicy reality TV episode of a lot of behind the scenes and a lot of real talk about what it's like to be on an ensemble cast and trying to live your life as well. So be sure to check that out. We'll see you next week. Bye.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, he's like, in town.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, in your city. I mean, fast, moving fast. Do you think she, like, what's her state of mind, do you think, going in?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But what happens when he needs to be inspired?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But don't you mean for a rock? I mean, six months isn't it's a decent amount of time. But for like a rock star who just got out of a very public breakup, it it it really is giving moving on incredibly fast.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Six months. But a post him posting it, you know, like he could be he doesn't give a fuck.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
There's a difference between hiding it and posting and tagging her. You know what I'm saying? There's a difference between like making sure we never are seen together versus being like, in case you need to find my new girlfriend, tag. You know, like it's an aggressive move.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. Happy 900. Didn't know that it was our 900th episode when I woke up today. You didn't? Nope. No idea. I did. I did not. Yay for us, 900 episodes. That's crazy, 900 episodes. That's crazy when I say another exciting episode of The Vov Vowsing. We do have a jam-packed episode for you today.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean as a rock star he could be a rock country country well I hear he takes offense to that but as a good he wasn't right at the day of the breakup so yeah he definitely doesn't give a fuck but it's like it's and I think Brianna's been like seen with guys and she was like making out with West and wherever the fuck that was allegedly
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Exactly. I think they're both kind of true because I think Carolina is clearly messy. Yeah. I mean, she just is. Like, everything about what she does seems to be messy and a little bit dramatic. And she seems to be easily, like, position herself as a victim. That being said, like, Leia is right, though.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich glaube, sie würde lieber, dass ich meinem Mann nicht erzählen würde. Well, I mean, she has an open relationship with her.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Gotcha. So, for him to go to him, would you put you at risk of violating her trust, even though I think she would be stupid for assuming that you wouldn't tell your husband?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
He would have to be more like, hey man, what's going on? I'm hearing a lot of rumors. People are talking. Und ehrlich gesagt, das ist definitiv noch etwas, das man sich überlegen muss, wenn er diesen Anspruch genommen hat. Ich denke, dein Mann muss davon ausstehen und vielleicht gibt er ihm einen zu sprechen. Aber ich verstehe, was du sagst.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Das ist eine unbedrohliche Situation, in der du nicht wirklich auf Risiko bist. Es ist nicht gut. Es wird definitiv die Leben der Menschen beeinflussen. Ja, es ist Drama. Und was sonst nicht der Fall sein sollte. Aber ich weiß nicht, vielleicht passiert das immer in solchen Arenas. Ich weiß nicht. Ich weiß nicht, ob du andere Geschichten gehört hast.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But I mean, who knows? This guy is putting his entire career at risk. I mean, so is she. But like she's, you know, based on what you're telling me, she's has a history and a reputation of doing things and allegedly has been kind of kicked out of other programs for this behavior. So if she's still doing it now, like, I don't know.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Sie scheint auf einem gewissen Niveau zu wissen, was sie tut, und sie scheint okay damit zu sein. Ich meine, ich glaube, er sollte es auch sein. Aber wie du weißt, ich könnte ein Welt sehen, wo hier ist dein Freund und sein Mann, wie durchgehen, was sie durchgehen, als ein Paar, du weißt, hohe Stress, beschäftigte Stunden, jada, jada, fühlen sich unabhängig, wie wir die Beziehung öffnen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And now he's just kind of, I guess, excited or focused on that. And like in his mind, since he's gotten the green light from his wife, then he meets this horny colleague and he's not thinking about power dynamic and it's not You know, giving him the benefit of the doubt, you know, but no, like a lot of people wouldn't be giving him this benefit of the doubt, including his superiors.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But if I were to try to give him the benefit of the doubt, I could see a world where like, yeah, he's just, he's not thinking this through and not thinking clearly.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und es macht, hör mal, ich denke, es gibt viele Paare, die, ob es eine offene Beziehung ist oder sie entscheiden, lass uns es mischen und lass uns ein Dreisammeln haben. Und es ist einfach so, okay, großartig, wer fragen wir, weil das seltsam ist. Und dann...
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
They just assume they'll find their like one kind of freaky friend and or colleague and be like, they'll do only realizing like that kind of makes it super fucking weird after the fact. And they don't think that through. They're just trying to figure out like, how can we have a threesome with the couple and without like going on like, you know, Craigslist.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Well, if he's starting to realize and I don't know how he navigates this, but he's not the one calling in. Yeah, he needs to shut it down. I mean, it's like if my advice to him as a friend would be shut it down as quickly as possible and cross your fingers.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Yeah, as a friend, I would, yeah, kind of as a friend, I'd be like, listen, this is, you know, as a friend, I love you. I want to support you. And like, you know, but like, have you guys thought this through? Because like, there's a lot, like, do you realize what you guys are potentially risking? Like people get fired for this shit.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Like this would, this could, this will follow, this could follow him forever.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Als Mann im Jahr 2025 in einer Position von Macht, schlafen sie mit ihren Zufriedensten. Nicht gut. Hoffentlich ist sie nicht die Art von Person, die es mag, sich umzuhalten. Hoffentlich ist sie nicht die Art von Person, die das gegen jemanden weppen würde, wenn sie nicht das, was sie wollte. Ich weiß es nicht. Aber ich weiß nicht, wie toxisch diese Person ist.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Aber es gibt einige schlechte Zeichen. Also würde ich sehr leicht mit dieser Person streiten. Hopefully she's just a horny person. He shuts it down and slowly lets her find someone else, I guess.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Let's say he distances himself from her, stops sleeping with her, doesn't even advocate for her, or maybe advocates for her, but behind the scenes, and she doesn't get the placement that she wants. What he has going for him is that she would have to out herself as well to out him. She looks short of her making some outrageous claim. Let's assume it's not true that this is all consensual.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
You know, she's not doing herself any favors by outing herself, but that's assuming she can get a job.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ja, ich denke, ich wäre jetzt, ich denke, dein Fokus sollte ein Freund zu deinem Freund sein und einfach wiederholen, wie, ja, das ist verrückt. Ich will nur dein, soweit ich mich interessiere, soweit mein Platz in diesem ist, bin ich hier, um einfach dein Freund zu sein. Was auch immer du brauchst, weißt du, ich bin hier.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Aber du, du solltest das wahrnehmen und du und Danny oder was auch immer sein Name ist. This is crazy. You need to talk to your husband. If you guys want to open up a relationship, tell him to go out to the bars or something. You're playing with some serious fire here. He needs to cut this shit out. Otherwise, this is going to really blow up. People are going to find out.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Yeah, it's definitely not your problem. The moment maybe your husband comes home and shit's gotten real messy at work and blah, blah, blah, I think you need to follow your husband's lead when it comes to escalating this to the workplace. And then you'll have to consider whether this friendship really means anything to you.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But you and your husband are not at risk of anything, like you said, that you really can think through it. Und jetzt ist es einfach so, dass du einen sehr vorderen Platz hast für andere Leute, die viele Risiken in ihren Rücken stellen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
If I were you, I would sit down with your husband and think this through together before you guys do anything. Because I just think this sounds like a small enough community and enough of people already know Es ist einfach sehr unwahrscheinlich, dass wenn du mit deinem Mann zusammengehst, dass du komplett anonym bleiben wirst und keine Schrapnel verhindern wirst, so zu sprechen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und hör mal, ich würde deine Mannschaftsleute folgen, die Entscheidungen, die er macht, wenn es sich um Arbeit handelt, weil es sein Arbeit ist. Und das ist deine Freundschaft, die du behalten musst. Aber solange du nicht auf Risiko bist, weißt du, dass... Du musst vorsichtig sein, wenn du das, so zu sagen, richtig machst, und es nicht dein Geschäft machst.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Weil, auch wenn du nicht richtig bist, du machst nichts falsch, und du siehst andere, die Dinge falsch machen, und du spielst einfach nur die Wahl. Und wiederum, als Freund, kannst du zu deinem Freund gehen und sagen, hey, hör mal, als Freund bin ich hier, wenn du das nicht durchgedacht hast, ich habe es für dich durchgedacht und ihr spielt mit einem seriösen Feuer.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich weiß nicht, was du darüber tust, aber du solltest mit deinem Mann sprechen und vielleicht müsst ihr das Ding aufhören und andere Wege auswählen, wie du interessante, furchtbare Dinge mit deiner Verheiratung machst, weil es nicht wirklich schmutzig wird. Und du könntest deinem Freund sagen, wenn etwas passiert, die Leute sprechen. People are talking. It's getting around. I'd be very careful.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So, everyone involved is a doctor, an aspiring doctor?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Okay. Und dieser Applikant, Mediziner, Doktor, hat jeder hier von der Medizinstitut graduiert? Ja. Also, technisch sind sie alle Doktoren. Das ist mehr Spaß. Das macht es mehr langweilig.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Well, I mean, I don't know. That's what, she's a leader. Sometimes leaders have to deal with shit. I don't know. And like, you know, maybe creating a close-knit family community is like not the thing to do. And yeah, high stress, high demand, away from your loved ones, like it's... You know, doctors are, you know, doctors are really smart people at a lot of things.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And sometimes when it comes to like interpersonal, like decision making, when it comes to relationships, like they're not the best at, like, you know, they're like cranking open the biology books and like cutting open bodies. And like, she's like, let's be a family. And everyone's like, I don't know, why am I so horny? I don't know, like, ah, like, no, but I'm serious, right? Like...
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So, I don't know, maybe this leader, this boss, you know, she has some, you know, hopefully everyone learns from this, right? If there's anything to be learned, you know, but it's not your job to protect her job and her feelings and
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Right now, protect your friend, give your friend whatever advice you think she needs to hear, follow your husband's lead, obviously be supportive of him, but I would caution you to challenge each other to really ask ourselves, is this really our business? Und müssen wir etwas sagen an diesem Punkt? Denn wer ist wirklich auf Risiko?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Wir müssen feststellen, dass diese Frau konsensualen Sex mit diesem Mann hat, der konsensualen Sex hat. Ja, es gibt eine Power-Dynamik hier. But like one of more optics, because like, you know, she has power to like clearly this person, the way you're describing her as someone who like very much knows what she's doing. She's very much in control.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
She seems sounds like she's pursuing these relationships. She's like kind of like she's on the attack, so to speak, you know, when he's like the horny husband who just got a hall pass and like kind of being taken advantage of in a weird way. Like no one's going to buy that narrative, by the way. But like there could be some truth to that. But like, You know, that's all that's really going on here.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So what I'm hearing is they're not really at risk other than risking their own jobs and careers and having a reputation. They don't want to follow them. But that has nothing really to do with you and your husband. And I would just be very careful about, you know, unless that changes, I wouldn't change your decision-making tree, so to speak.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Okay, all right. The Applicant. It's like a name in a movie, like an accountant. The Applicant. How did we find out Dr. Applicant was sleeping around? Sleeping him or her?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Please keep us posted. I would hate to not find out how things play out. Yeah, we'll do. Thanks so much for your time. Take care.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Es fühlte sich nicht premeditiert an, sondern organisch war es anders. Aber er war vielleicht, wenn etwas anders war, als einige der anderen Männer, mit denen du verheiratet warst, wo sie alle sehr schmutzig waren, sehr früh, fühlten, als ob sie nur sagen würden, ich nehme meine Hände jetzt oder später. Und er war mehr so, lass uns auf einen Weg gehen und Minigolf spielen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und sie sagt dir, das ist eine horrifische Sache, das zu erleben. Du machst es so, als hätte ich Tee. Und sie hat dir in der Pantrie gesagt, während jeder andere Kräuter hatte.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So wait, wait, wait. You started hanging out with this guy. It's going pretty well. It started right after he... So, just to summarize. You were talking to a guy. Yes. I met him on FaceTime when I was with the other guy, but I never met him in person.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Alright, so you're hanging out with this guy, and while you're hanging out with this guy, this other guy somehow Facebooks messages you and says like, hey, my friend, the guy you're seeing, he's not a great guy, you shouldn't date him. And then you stop, for whatever reason, maybe partly because of his advice or not, you start, you stop hanging out with that guy.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And then like a day later, this other guy who claimed to be the other guy's friend, who's talked shit about him, is like, hey, what's up? We should go like mini golfing. And then you start hanging out with him. It's going pretty well. It's like, it seems different. It seems nice. It seems fun. You're having, you know, you meet each other's families.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And then all of a sudden you're like, we're like, hey, we've been dating. We're hanging out on a regular basis. At this point, have you had sex?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und er ist so, oh, ich hab's ihm gesagt, es hat ihm nicht geklappt, es hat ihn in die falsche Richtung geräumt. Und ja, wir sind noch ein bisschen verheiratet, aber du kannst nie kommen. Und es ist ein Sommer von Spaß, eigentlich.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
While he's having the summer fun and you can't go over to his house, you're still like calling him up every once in a while, like begging for sex?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
At this point, have you had any conversations about boundaries, what you guys are, titles, expectations, rules?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So you share each other's locations, but as far as you know, you can fuck as many people as you want and no one has the right to say shit.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So you found out, okay, wow, layers. You found out from your friend that, well, the applicant was sleeping with her husband. She was in fact, you know, I don't know.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
agreeable to this but it sounds like some of the other people are less agreeable potentially or you just don't know or is it possible that despite the closeness that you have with this group there's like this secret orgy going on and she is just a catalyst like
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And I'm guessing, for all you know, the other girl smarted up and stopped seeing him?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
All right, I'm going to cut you off for a second. Where are we today with this guy?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I understand. Where do you emotionally stand with this guy?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I don't think. And how do you interpret those feelings? Like, what do you think that means to you?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Well, alright. So, listen. You started by calling and asking if he was a narcissist. I don't know. I'm not a psychologist. He's certainly done some selfish things. He's done some narcissistic things. I'd be willing to bet he's no more of a narcissist than, I don't know, most people in their 20s in your average fuckboy.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ja, sicher, vielleicht ist er ein Narzissist, weil jeder online, der dich auslöst und sich für sich selbst denkt, ein Narzissist zu jemand anderem. Aber die Internetseite ist voll von Narzissisten, die andere Narzissisten in meiner Meinung nennen. Aber ja, sicher, er hat einige seltsame Dinge gemacht.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich denke, was, und das ist wirklich nicht relevant, wenn es um dich geht, aus meiner Meinung nach. Meine Meinung ist, du musst dich aufwachen und realisieren, dass du nicht mehr die Verletzung in dieser Situation bist, dass du jetzt ein Produkt bist. Das ist sicherlich das letzte Jahr, Jahr und ein halbes, weil es seit wie lange? Ein paar Jahre?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Zwei Jahre. Du, du weißt, vielleicht der erste Anfall.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Aber sicherlich, nachdem du herausgefunden hast, dass er dich zweimal verabschiedet hat, und dann diese andere, und dann hat diese Frau endlich entschieden, sie ist aufgewacht, sie hat die Wahrheit gehört, und sie hat entschieden, dass ich keine Person mehr so verabschieden werde, und sie hat ihn, wie du weißt, auf alles geblieben und hat sich mit ihrer Leben umgebracht.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und dann hast du das als eine Möglichkeit genommen, eine Sieg zu beurteilen. and say that he was mine. And then from that moment forward, you stopped being the victim in the story. And, you know, well, he stopped being the, you know, you stopped being the victim as far as he was concerned and you were victimizing yourself. You have put yourself in this situation.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Being healthy isn't just about going to the gym or dieting. Being healthy is all about making sure you are giving your body what it needs, the nutrients and vitamins that it needs and taking care of your whole body in a way that makes sense for you and your lifestyle. Und das ist, wo Symbiotika wirklich ein Veränderer ist.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Like, these are your choices you have made. And I say that to you because in my opinion, you're much better off taking accountability for your choices that you can control because clearly you have no ability to control him. And you've created a monster. You have played a role in helping this person. He hasn't called. I'm not talking to him. I don't know who this person is.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
He has a lot to be accountable for. And he's made certainly a lot of choices. And we can all agree he's a piece of shit. And fuck him. But that's not helping you at all. And that doesn't get you anywhere. And you need to wake up and realize that that you have just become obsessed with this situation. You have become obsessed with winning.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
You have become obsessed with him picking you and decided that your worthiness, all of your worthiness, all of your self-respect, all of your self-confidence is wrapped up in his approval. And you have given him that power. You have turned him into that. That is a product of a decision you made, not a decision he made.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Well, and the reason I cut you off is because I'm sure you've told this story in great detail. You're so good at telling the story. You remind me of me when I was telling very similar stories about ways I felt victimized by the way people treated me. And I just very much conveniently left out all the ways I was mistreating myself and all the ways that I chose winning over being happy.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I chose being right over being happy. Und wenn ich sage, du hörst mich immer sagen, willst du bereit sein, willst du glücklich sein? Right now, you're just like, you will talk to anyone who's willing to listen to tell your version of the story, how you've been taken advantage of by this narcissist, piece of shit guy who never, you know.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Meanwhile, you've given him every opportunity to regularly over and over play you. So much to the fact that he's blocked you. Like he is setting a boundary with you. Because apparently you have, I say this with love, but tough love, you have given up all self-respect and turned into someone who is just like, almost to the point where he doesn't want you to reach out.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Because again, and you have allowed yourself to be his backup plan. You have made yourself readily available whenever he is single and available to be the person who is willing to have sex with him and hang out with him at his convenience when he wants to. And that's all you are to him. And that's all you'll ever be at this point.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Du musst anfangen, dich selbst zu glauben. Therapie ist immer eine gute Option. Ich bin ein bisschen ein Advokat. Ich sage nicht, dass es das Ende ist. Aber du kannst Männer finden, klar.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich meine, das ist die größte Unterschiede zwischen dir und Frauen, die sich in solchen Situationen nicht befinden. Hör auf, ich verstehe es. Ich weiß nicht, was deine Meinung von dir ist, wenn du mit deinen Feiern vergleichst. Aber egal, wie du siehst, oder wie viel Geld du hast, oder deine Möglichkeit, die Leute zu lachen, oder dein Charme, oder was auch immer.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Am Ende des Tages habe ich gesehen, in einem Weltraum, in dem große Männer jede Möglichkeit und jede Bewertung in der Welt bekommen, wenn es um Dating geht, habe ich große, tolle Männer gesehen, die einfach schrecklich sind. You know, with women and awkward and like put themselves and like and allowed women to run circles around them just because like they follow their ego.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
They make it all about winning. They make it all about like putting their value in the prey. You know, I've been that person. Right. You know. And so like, whatever. Fine. Even more like. But the point is that you're kind of making my point. The point is, is like this is a person who is like he's more interested.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Like he probably feels like a narcissist to you because what he is, is very much interested as a 28 year old man in his needs. And that's more than anything his biggest priority. Und ja, es ist sehr selbstbewusst, sicher. Und demonstriert narzisstische Tendenzen, richtig? Und denkt an sich selbst, sicher.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Aber du hast, und du denkst an dich selbst auch, aber du hast es alles gemacht, dein Wert ist in diesem Mannspreis. Er braucht nicht deinen Preis, um sich wertvoll zu fühlen. Er braucht wahrscheinlich keinen Mädelspreis, um sich wertvoll zu fühlen. Ja. Ja.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But then you gotta stop talking about it. You're at that point where you have to acknowledge to yourself that you can control your thoughts. Because right now you are not. You have turned this into an identity for you. You are wearing this relationship all over yourself. It's the thing you enjoy talking about the most. As much as it makes you miserable, it's your favorite thing to talk about.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und du musst stoppen. Und es wird nicht einfach sein. Du bist daran enttäuscht. Es ist nichts anderes als, ich weiß nicht, ob du mich darüber gehört hast, wie obsessiv ich bin, ich bin aus Zucker. Ja, ich auch. Ich hoffe, dass ich das für immer aufgeben kann. Aber wahrscheinlich nicht, richtig?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
An einem Punkt wird es ein wunderschöner Schokoladenkuchen sein und ich werde mir sagen, fuck it, ich kümmere mich nicht um es. Ich werde nur einen Schluck probieren. But like I'm gonna break the seal. Right.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And then I'm gonna just, you know, and sometimes in the reason I got into this whole like cleanse is because for a period of time I was really just like fucking just eating a lot of fucking dessert, you know, and I just kind of got a little addicted to it. I got into a routine of this being comfortable with eating shitty foods over and over and over where it just it kind of became. A routine.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And it becomes harder to break those routines. And this has become your routine. It's part of who you are. It's part of your day. But that means you can stop that routine. It will be difficult. Like anything you're comfortable with and used to, and you try to break that routine, and you try to cleanse or fast or whatever, you know, Ja. Ja. You know? But, like, you're not getting anywhere.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So, like, you need to, like, get rid of shit that reminds you of him. You gotta, like, stop yourself from stalking him on Instagram. When he pops in your head, you gotta find shit to, you know, hey, fuck, I'm doing it again. And it will. It will pop into your head.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But instead of spending the next 30 minutes ruminating about it and telling the story to an imaginary person in your car while driving, because I guarantee you've done that, you've, like, literally, I mean, you've just... I know this because I've done this too. I'm not calling you out. I just know. I've been you.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
It's the same premise. You are giving, you know, all this energy, you know, but, like, you have to be mindful of, and again, like, whether it's advice from Mel Robbins, advice from me, you know, all we can do is, like, say the same shit over and over to people like you, but you're gonna have to put this into practice.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und, weißt du, auch ich sage dir, weißt du, es ist wie, ich spreche immer noch über sie mit dir. Also, auch wenn wir das tun, es ist wie, du könntest, weißt du, lassen sie, sicher, es passt nur, wenn du sie tatsächlich lassen kannst. Du sagst, lassen sie über, weißt du, weißt du, was ich meine?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Du musst tatsächlich das Ding machen, wo du, du musst, lassen sie, sagen, lassen sie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, wie, Right. And now you need to like, what is the thing you were going to think about it instead? And are you going to like ask your friends to hold you accountable to be like, I don't want to talk about it anymore.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
If I do, you have my permission to tell me to shut the fuck up and be like, we're not talking about that.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I'm sure you saw that as like some sign and that was probably the worst thing for you. You got toe motion, yeah.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Yeah, nightmare. Yeah, listen, I don't know this guy. Maybe he's... I doubt he's a villain. I think he's just another immature fuckboy who got caught. And he definitely needs to grow up and hold himself accountable. And I hope he does. And I hope he in a few years reflects back. And I hope you never hear from him regardless.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And I hope for him that whoever he ends up with is like... Maybe he ends up with a type of woman who will... Hold them accountable and be like, yeah, you were kind of a piece of shit to women, you know, sometimes. And he should be like, yeah, you know, I definitely made some mistakes and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Because I really think, like, honestly, like, you know, maybe I'm naive, but I think 90% of people are good. I do. Me too. And I think 90% are good people who were all selfish assholes at some point in our lives, you know?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Sure. I was talking to a friend who's going through something right now and some of their friends haven't really stepped up for them and that sucks. And I had to remind my friend, I totally get it. I've been that friend that you're mad at before. And I've been that friend who was so caught up in my own bullshit that I wasn't capable of being the type of friend
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
die sie brauchten, was mich gerade an dich erinnert. Für verschiedene Gründe. Es gibt vielleicht Leute da draußen, die erwartet haben, dass du ein besserer Freund bist und selbstloser bist als du warst. Und du warst nicht da für sie, weil du dich seit zwei Jahren für dich selbst entschuldigt hast.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Whatever shortcomings you had as a friend or a sister or a daughter, you have justified because you're sad. Think about narcissism. All you're doing is thinking about your own damn problems every day. And that has stopped you from... When I was heartbroken, one of my big heartbreaks, I started volunteering every Saturday. Ich war nur auf dem Weg, um aus meiner eigenen Art und Weise rauszukommen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich hatte meine eigenen Probleme. Und das ist narzisstisch. Du willst einen Narzisst hier hören, aber ich sage nicht, dass du ein Narzisst bist.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Aber mein Punkt ist, dass ich denke, dass die meisten Leute, und ich würde ihn wahrscheinlich auch inkludieren, wie einfach generell gute Leute sind, die aufwachsen müssen und wachsam sind und sich an Menschen verabschieden und sie tun Dinge, für die sie sich verantwortlich halten müssen und hoffentlich für sich selbst verantwortlich sind.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Like the narcissists out there are the wolves in sheep's clothing. They're the ones who like, you know, know what they're doing. It's very calculated and they're like, that doesn't sound like this guy. It sounds like he just kind of, I don't know.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich dachte nicht, dass er so kapabel war, dass er tatsächlich so kapabel war.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
When he wasn't dating those people, he went back to you because you, you know, but short of like the early parts, he's kind of been like seemingly pretty up front and actually setting better boundaries and kind of like not doing the thing he did in the past that was so fucked up, you know, and you're the one who's like allowed him into your life and allowed, you know, and made it very convenient for him to like hook up with, you know, like you wanted to have sex and you reached out to him and he was like, all right, she wants to hang out with me.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und ich war derjenige, der... Deine Fähigkeit, deine Fähigkeit, dein ganzes Leben über diesen Mann zu kannibalisieren, spricht mehr zu deinem Narzissismus als zu seinem.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und ich bin auch schon bei dir gewesen, also kein Verurteilung. Aber ich denke, das ist etwas, das du erkennen musst, weil nichts davon, was wir gesprochen haben, dementsprechend deine emotionalen Investitionen in diesen Mann ist, außer dem Fakt, dass du entschieden hast, dich besessen zu lassen und es um dein Ego zu machen und dich zu verabschieden und dich besonders zu fühlen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und du hast all diese Dinge ausgewählt und gewonnen über das, dass du ein glücklicherer Mensch bist und um dich herum schaust und über das denkst, was du in deinem Leben hast.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
und aus deiner eigenen Scheiße zu kommen und zu denken, weißt du was, generell habe ich Freunde, ich habe Familie, du hast etwas für dich, und du hast all das einfach ignoriert, um sich über einen fucking Fuckboy zu entschuldigen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Deine Mutter ist richtig, du musst dich ein bisschen über dich selbst kümmern.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
She's doing you a favor, yeah. So listen, there's things that maybe you're not happy with yourself. We all have those things. But you've become way too obsessed with what you don't have and rather what you do have. You've made yourself a victim in your own story. You've made him the bad guy and the hero all at the same time. And you need to stop. You just need to stop. And you can do it.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
All right. Well, listen, I've been you and like you really, it's like one day you're going to look back and both laugh and be mad at yourself.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
You're going to laugh by how ridiculous you were for two years and be mad at yourself for how much time you wasted and the friendships and the valuable relationships you do have that you maybe damaged and ruined all over this fucking guy in your obsession with winning. Ja, das ist sehr wahr. All right. Good luck. Keep us posted. Thank you so much. All right. Bye bye.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Okay, aber du hast zumindest seine Unterstützung. Es ist nicht so, als hätte er dich gefragt, dass du sagst, hör mal, es ist nicht unser Problem, bleib davon. Ich brauche nicht, dass das in meinem Leben passiert.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Okay. All right. So you have a crush on him, but you're worried about him stalking you?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Wow, I mean, did you know at this point that he was formerly incarcerated?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Also, what made you think that the guy you thought was cute would be a good workout buddy?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Lesson learned. Anyways. I'm just laughing. I'm not shocked it was a three-hour workout session or shocked that it was just different than yours. I think it's comical that instead of him, I think most guys in his position would be like, yeah, let's work out together and then let's kind of do what you want to do as opposed to putting you through a gauntlet.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But anyways, he put you through a gauntlet and then what happened?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And you didn't ask for it. But, you know, anyways, he's toeing the lines. So, all right. So like he kisses you. That's over.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
We are dealing with a workplace setting, correct? Just to be clear, this is not like I know you described like this is a group of friends. You probably get together for like game night and dinner parties and socialize. And the little bit I know about like the community in which you're talking about, like we're talking about like a young, a lot of young, ambitious, smart people who are
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
No. But I don't care about his story. I hope you don't either. I think what I care about is that like, you know, forget about his story, right? Even if he was charged for like tax evasion or something like a white collar crime or something, right? Like the point is, You met this guy. You went up to him. Forget about the long workout session, right? That's just kind of weird.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
That's just like, bruh. But in that workout session, he was like, without your consent, and I'm not, you know, I'm not, but like touching you, making you feel uncomfortable, then kissing you, making you feel uncomfortable. And like, sure, you didn't want to at that point to like scream assault. You know, I get it. But like, that wasn't okay that he did that, right? He made you feel uncomfortable.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And that was a huge red flag. Huge, right? A huge fucking red flag. Then you go to Google and you find out this man was in prison. And like, fine, maybe there wasn't a time between now and then for him to be like, hey, by the way, let's work out together, but just so you know, I do have a rap sheet. But
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Listen, if he was a guy who really wanted to go out of his way to get ahead of it, but at this point when you find out that he was arrested for burglary and home invasion, okay, forgetting about the domestic violence that he was allegedly accused of, and forgetting about the fact that this was a pregnant person, the combination of his behavior towards you, he's been incarcerated for whatever,
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
End of conversation. Just move on. At that point, it's like, oh shit, let's change gyms. This guy, that's a huge red flag, the whole car scene that you described. I do expect him to have his version of accounts that paint him in a better light.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And even if his version of that story has some truth to it, the fact that it involved a pregnant woman, short of a pregnant woman having a baseball bat, a gun or a knife, und versuchte, es auf mich zu verwandeln, würde ich mich einfach von einer Situation entfernen, wenn ich für irgendeinen Grund mich verteidigen musste. Ich würde einfach weg. Aber trotzdem, er hat sich nicht gewählt.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich weiß nicht, was seine Geschichte ist. Ich denke nicht, dass wir es hören müssen. Es sind ein paar Dinge, die dich machen, dass du denkst, ich glaube, vielleicht. Aber was ist seine Version, warum er das gemacht hat, was er außerhalb seines Autos gemacht hat? Weißt du, was ich meine?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Keep in mind, he has a very different version of that story that you just told me about outside of the car, where he was touching you at the gym and then made you feel really uncomfortable when he kissed you. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So, where do we get to the concerns about him being a stalker?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I don't know when you and your husband met, like got together at an early age and you have a lot of people who are like grinding it out, 16-hour days, whatever the fuck. They get this closeness with their peers, you know, and then like their spouses all get together and everyone rallies behind these like doctors who like have to like go through it, right?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I don't think you need as much help as you think you need. And I say that because, one, it's a messy world out there, dating. You've got ex-convicts, you've got divorced men. I get it. There's nothing you can do about that, is my point. The apps, the bars, the libraries, Facebook, whatever, it's full of bad options. Es ist einfach so.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Es ist eine Seele von Leuten, die für ihre Person suchen, die meisten nicht deine Person sind. Ich liebe es, eine Gym-Analogie zu benutzen. When I refer to dating, which is like, I don't know, maybe you're more of a gym rat than the average person. I like working out too, to a certain point. There's parts of working out that aren't fun.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
The fatigue, the tiredness, even when you're pushing through for one more rep, it hurts. It's uncomfortable. It's a means to an end. They're working out to look good, feel good. But most people are not like, I get to go to the gym today. The excitement is more finishing whatever session you have. But we do it because it's hopefully going to get us somewhere. And that's what dating is.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And then as far as needing the help, it's like you just have to trust your gut. And you have the instincts. You're not following through with this. You know that a guy, fresh off of a divorce, after a couple days asking you to be his girlfriend, is a red flag. Es ist nicht normal. Es bedeutet nicht, dass er ein Verrückter ist. Es bedeutet nicht, dass er ein Verrückter ist.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Es bedeutet nicht, dass er ein Verrückter ist. Es bedeutet nicht, dass er ein Verrückter ist. Es bedeutet nicht, dass er ein Verrückter ist. Es bedeutet nicht, dass er ein Verrückter ist.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
So you communicated a boundary, which is, I need to slow things down and get to know you. And his response to you communicating that boundary was to kind of ignore the boundary and keep persistently hanging out? Yes. Alright, so when men do that very early on, you need to shut it down.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And it's all kind of fucking crazy and I'm guessing some couples make through it, some couples have affairs. It's kind of like a gauntlet, almost, right? Am I getting all this accurate? They should make a reality TV show about this shit. Everyone probably wouldn't be that great of doctors if they made a reality TV show about it, but it's a cool concept. It's kind of crazy, right?
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
When you don't know people at all and the first thing they do is either ignore a boundary or just like show that they don't care about boundaries, period, like kissing you out of nowhere, that is, you know... Early termination. When they fly those red flags very high, just listen. Look, look. Okay. You didn't panic with the guy who wanted to be your girlfriend. You said, I don't know.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
It feels a little strong. You're just getting out of a divorce. I like what I know so far, but I barely know you at all. And an appropriate response from someone like him would be like, you know, fuck, I'm sorry, you're right. I am probably not my best self. I am like, you know, I'm still going through this divorce, but I do like you.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And I hope that my asking you to be my girlfriend is just more about like, I just, I haven't met someone as cool as you in a while. But like, yeah, let's definitely take it slow. And I apologize. I see what you're saying. But he didn't do that. He just ignored you. Und wenn eine Person am Anfang dich so ignorieren wird, dann ist das deine Antwort.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Schreib es auf die Liste der frustrierenden Datings, die du hattest. Ich verstehe es. Dating ist viel einfacher, wenn du tatsächlich Leute hörst, wenn sie dir zeigen und dir sagen, wer sie sind, und ihnen keine Gründe geben, es wieder und wieder zu tun, und nicht deinen Mund zu vertrauen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Du machst eine schwierige Situation so viel schwieriger, indem du Leuten, die deine Zeit und Energie nicht verdienen, deine Zeit und Energie verdienst. Besonders nachdem sie dir zeigen, warum sie diese Zeit und Energie nicht verdienen. So, I think you're really close. Your instincts are there. You're not listening to your instincts. So, I don't think you need necessarily help with dating.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I think you just need help with trusting your gut and following your instincts and believing in yourself and not allowing the disappointment of dating and the frustration of meeting bad option after bad option an excuse to try to make these bad options good options for no justifiable reasons.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ja, wie alt sind wir alle? Wie alt bist du wieder? 28. Du bist nur 28.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich weiß. Und ich bin froh, dass du das jetzt realisierst. Ja, du bist noch wirklich jung. Gut, du hättest gedacht, dass du jetzt verheiratet wärst oder was auch immer. Viele deiner Freunde sind es. Wer kümmert sich? Einige von ihnen werden verheiratet. Du hast Zeit. 28 ist nicht der Zeitpunkt, um zu paniken und zu investieren in schlechte Optionen. Und das ist, was du jetzt machst.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And if I were you, to help you with that is stop telling yourself all my friends are married. Stop comparing yourself to your friends. Just, I am at where I'm at. And instead of being sad about where you're at because 21-year-old you didn't want that for herself. Right. You know, start appreciating what you've been able to do as an independent woman. Take advantage of your freedoms.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
It won't, doesn't last forever. Now you got really mad at me when I was like 745. I'm like, you know, like get up. We got shit to do. 21-year-old Natalie had less shit to do. All the things that you want for yourself, I hope you get it. And all those things come with a lot of responsibility and shit. And you are an independent, free person. Take advantage. I did.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
The benefit of settling down later in life, and I'm not saying you have to wait as long as I did, but you have the opportunity to um Dinge aus deinem System zu bekommen, so zu sprechen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Um Dinge zu machen, die viele deiner Freunde, die vielleicht glücklich genug waren, ihre Person im Leben zu treffen, es gab Momente, wo, ich bin mal zu einem Bachelor-Party gegangen, ein paar Jahre her, und es war ich und ein paar verheiratete Jungs.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Das heißt, es ist eine Arbeitsfunktion. Und ich glaube, es gibt HR. Ich glaube, sie haben eine ganze... Mein Punkt ist, du kannst wahrscheinlich einen anonymen Tipp machen. Ich weiß nicht. Ich denke definitiv, dass es wichtig ist, deinen Mann und deinen Namen auszunehmen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und die Enthusiasme, die diese Jungs hatten, um von ihren Weinen wegzukommen und Golf zu spielen mit einander und ein paar College-Idioten zu machen, war ein bisschen hysterisch. Aber ich war auch dankbar, dass ich nicht sie war. Sie haben alle mit 24 verheiratet. Ich hoffe so. Yeah, there are.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But there's a difference between the guy who needs a talking to and needs to be reminded to listen to a boundary and the felon with a rap sheet of domestic violence who hit your first moment with him. He clearly crosses a boundary and makes you feel uncomfortable with his physical actions. The other guy, he's probably just an emotional mess and just not ready to date. Right.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Keep taking those at bats, you know. So, trust your instinct. Your gut is right. You got to remind yourself, my gut is right. My gut is right. Listen to my gut. Follow my instincts. Trust myself. I know what I'm doing. You should repeat that to yourself because you do. Your problem is you're not doing that. You're not trusting your gut. You have a gut. You have an instinct. You have a feeling.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
And then instead of trusting your gut, you're trying to figure out ways to like Right, definitely.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und ja, wie dieser Kerl hat dich bestimmt verletzt. Ich denke, du weißt, aber wie deine Reaktion zu diesem Moment war, um mit ihnen zu bleiben und mit ihnen zu sprechen und ihnen die Bedeutung des Zweifels zu geben. Und dann hast du das Macht und Kontrolle verloren, weil du dich nicht zuhörst. Das ist wahr. Anstatt zu sagen, wow, Leute fragen mich, warum ich gut am Lesen bin.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Es ist, weil ich meine Instinkte vertraue. Und ich habe Vertrauen. Und ich schaue auf die echten Aktionen der Menschen. Und ich mache keine Ausreden für die Menschen. Ich höre nicht, was sie sagen. Ich höre nicht auf ihre Geschichte über sich selbst oder was sie versuchen, sich zu überzeugen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Yeah, because we definitely don't want to, I don't know, cause further waves and... Yeah, I mean, it's not your... Because to be clear, what you know about this is a person involved came to you, but that person involved was like, honestly, like, you know, we're doing some weird shit these days, so like... Es ist mehr oder weniger Tee. Aber sie kam nicht zu dir und sagte, ich brauche deine Hilfe.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Wenn Leute anrufen, was ich von Leuten höre, ist, dass ich Leute höre, die mir ihre Version der Geschichte erzählen, die sie mir hören wollen. Und ich höre für die Wahrheit. Du bist besser bei dir selbst. Ich bin gut bei dir selbst. Ich habe angefangen, meine eigene Scheiße zu nennen, bevor ich andere nennen konnte. Das ist das, was ich anfange zu tun. Du hast es. Du bist da.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Thanks so much. Good luck. All right. Block them for sure. Change gems. Change gems. Just move on. You know, it's not that great, is it? No. Okay.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Sie war nur mit dir gossipiert. Und technisch ist es nicht dein Problem, außer du musst dich um deinen Manns Glauben kümmern.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Nicht nur ist die Vanillecreme-Sauce lecker, sondern diese Reise-Size-Package unterstützt den Gehirn, den Balance-Modus und kühlt den nervösen System, während man auch die Erinnerung verbessert. Definitiv einer meiner täglichen Go-To-Supplemente.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I see people do this, right? They get involved in something and they feel like they're on the right side and they get a little righteous and they get invested in fun because you get to play detective and cop and you get to find out, it turns out, yeah, she's doing something illegal or whatever the fuck. I would be very careful to limit how emotionally invested you are.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Es ist sicherlich ein salatierendes Tee. Und wenn es etwas sein wird, mit dem du mit deinen Freunden gossipierst, dann gossipiere mit deinen Freunden. Und lass die Chips trinken, was sie tun können. Aber verstanden, dass du auf der pragmatischen Seite und dein Mann eine große emotionale Investition mit deinem Zeitraum gemacht habt. Er hat seine ganze Karriere in das investiert.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Diese ganze Gruppe von Freunden, die du gerade hast, Right. Like half of them aren't going to make it, you know, even maybe the doctors. I don't know. But right. It is a gauntlet and it's kind of like survival of the fittest. And so I would be careful. I would. If I were you, I would want to protect that more than anything else.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und ich denke, es ist etwas, das man sich betrachtet, dass diese Person, die du beschreibst, ziemlich toxisch klingt. Ob sie nur schmutzig ist, vielleicht schläft sie ihren Weg nach oben, ich weiß es nicht. Und es klingt wie dein Freund und ihr Mann, weil sie die Beziehung öffnen oder etwas Non-Traditionelles machen. Es ist nicht unbedingt Dramatik in ihrer Leben.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
But this has definitely the ability to escalate where it can really impact this group, this program, as you say, and indirectly could affect your and your husband's life. So if you're going to deal with it, I would deal with it more indirectly. And again, short of you being able to submit an anonymous claim to HR... And let's decide whether they want to investigate or not.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und seit ich für die nächsten fünf Wochen auf dem Flugzeug sein werde, ist ihre Fähigkeit, alles zu machen, die Reise-Konvenienz, ein absoluter Spielchanger. Denn es ist wirklich wichtig, auf deiner Routine zu bleiben. Es macht nicht viel Sinn, wenn du ein paar Tage skippst. Es geht um Konsistenz. Ihre Reise-Size-Packs sind absolut Spielchanger.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
I probably wouldn't, I don't know. I'd probably be careful how invested I got.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Ich meine, als Freund, ich meine, bist du nah genug, um zu sagen, hör mal, wilde Dinge, die du und dein Mann machen, aber vielleicht magst du nicht, wo du essen willst, type of thing? Ist es, bist du sicher, dass diese Person eine Reputation hat, ob du cool damit bist oder nicht? Das ist schmutzig und das könnte auf euch zurückkommen und es könnte auf ihn zurückkommen.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und ja, du bist cool damit, aber bist du sicher, dass das klug ist? Gibt es andere Leute da draußen, mit denen er mitmachen könnte? Ja.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Er tut viel mehr falsch als sie. Und das ist, wie es aussehen wird. Er ist der Mann in dieser Beziehung. Er ist in einer Position von Macht. Wie er flirten mit Desaster.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Everyone's going to find out. Too many people know. Everyone tells somebody. In the world of like, you promised you don't tell anyone, take this to your grave. It's like, yeah, no, for sure. Like everyone has their other person. They take something to the grave and already like five or six people know.
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E889 Ask Nick - Rebound Rodeo
Und ist dein Mann auch auf dem gleichen Niveau wie die anderen Mädchen?
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Das ist schrecklich. Die gute Nachricht für dich und deinen Mann ist, dass du nicht involviert bist.
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Because like, yeah, he should be, I mean, maybe that's, I don't know. I mean, this is more of an idea and less of advice, but I'm just kind of working through it in my head. You know, like my first thought I asked that question was like, oh, if he's buddies with them, maybe he needs to talk to his friend and be like, dude, you know, you need to cut this shit out.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
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And you've communicated this with him?
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Did you apologize for making him feel shame and judged?
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What did he say? Like, how did he take that?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Well, listen, I'm not in a position to diagnose your boyfriend. All I can offer is what I said, is that based on what you're telling me, I do think there is an explanation that's very believable that doesn't necessarily suggest that he's addicted to porn. But we are making a lot of assumptions. But other than this instance, I think if he really had a problem, it would be easy to notice.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Yeah. Whether it's too much or more common than it should be. And you can make a strong argument that like porn is a problem in our society, given how successful it is. But I don't think your boyfriend is probably operating any different than most men his age are.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I'm basing this off the assumption that he's only doing this if he's masturbating.
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Then, yeah, that would be, if your boyfriend's sitting down for an hour just watching porn on a regular basis, I would think that would be a little too much. But it's definitely possible that all he's doing is browsing, looking for some inspiration. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then listen, listen, I don't know.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Like if I were you without trying, you know, I don't think it's all that bad to find the right time to say again, like, I really sorry for making sorry for making you feel that way. Um, I should not have done that. And in fact, I want us to, the last person I want to be is someone that you feel uncomfortable when it comes to sex or talking about sex or even porn.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Like if you want to be a freak, I want to be a freak with you or whatever. I don't know. Like, I'm assuming like you want to, you know, right. You probably want to share things with him and make him feel comfortable, you know, uh, not, you don't want him to look at you the same way he looks at his mom, which is like this kind of like,
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shame and like oh i can't believe my mom knows i watch porn you know it's like yeah you know and i think there are girlfriends out there who like kind of have a zero talents when it comes to porn you know for a variety of different reasons you know maybe they had a an ex-boyfriend who watched too much and it's triggering for them or maybe you know come from a a
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community or religion that feels a certain way about it. But you've mentioned that you want to have a more sexual relationship with your boyfriend. Have you guys ever talked about fantasies and things like that?
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So maybe you just say something, listen, I wouldn't force it, but if it's, you know, it sounds like you already dealt with it, but like maybe there's a time in the future to just say, you know, I know I kind of violated your trust and made you feel really judged.
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And I hope, you know, again, I am sorry, but like, honestly, like what I regret most about that is that I want to talk about our interests with each other. You know, I want to know what you're into. Like, I don't, I don't even care. I don't care that you watch porn. I know. I think I was just a little, not to like relitigate it, but like caught off guard. You talking about the past.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I shouldn't have looked. That was my bad. And yeah, I mean, I'm sure I'm, you know, whatever. I don't know. Uh, but see if you can get him to open up. I don't know. Cause I think part of it too is like, he's a relative, it's a relatively new relationship. Right.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I don't, I think in general, I think a lot of guys don't know how their, how their girlfriends feel about porn or about them watching porn. Right.
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And so, yeah, give it some time, but like try to find the moments where you invite the conversation. And basically you're the message you're trying to convey to your boyfriend is conversations around sex. I want to be the person you feel the most comfortable talking about. And I, and likewise with you, you know, you opening up to him.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I definitely didn't. And I would say, but I would say me going through your computer and asking you that question in the context I asked, like was the opposite of trying to get to that place. You say that to him and acknowledge that and see where it goes.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Yeah. But you definitely don't want, like, listen, but the reality is, is porn has and can replace sex in someone's relationship.
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And I think there are people out there in relation with people who have gotten too into porn where they feel like their partner has disconnected with them, you know, or they're, they're watching porn and masturbate in lieu of having sex with their partner and having that intimacy. Yeah. You guys are relatively young, so I don't think three times a week is groundbreaking, but it's a good number.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And yeah, he could just be tired. And trust me, you don't want him masturbating to be the same as him having sex with you.
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Because that is effortless and very short. Yeah.
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So, you know, it's not like a this or that in his mind. That I can promise you. And I think that is definitely a big misconception among women out there. But, you know, again, all people notice like to masturbate. So just put yourself in your shoes, you know, type of thing.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I mean, keep paying attention, be vigilant. You know, I don't think that means snooping. I don't think that means consciously looking over your shoulder.
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But if something pops up, you know, at least note it, you know, like again, if he really has a problem.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Okay. All right. Well, good luck. Keep us posted and let us know, you know, what, what, what direction this goes, but yeah, just try to, it's an opportunity to keep the conversation going about sex and intimacy with him and, and then kind of write that wrong.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Okay. What makes her a monster-in-law?
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OK, well, neither am I. And I don't know necessarily what one looks like. But to your knowledge, how much porn is your boyfriend consuming?
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But to be clear, these cousins were at your mother-in-law's house and you had a problem with what she was doing?
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Okay. And what was the problem you had?
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Is this something that's been an ongoing problem or is this something that kind of snowballed this Christmas holiday and has been an issue ever since?
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All right. So when you called in and you were asked, like, how do I deal with my monster-in-law that lives next door? What does dealing with it look like to you? Like, what kind of resolution are you looking for?
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All right, and then she responds, I love my children on the same level. They are just innocent and lovely kids. You also was telling me to my face, I'm paraphrasing, that we never take care of you and your husband when he lost his job. Please don't forget who paid for your mortgage, food, and bills when that happened.
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I'm feeling bad reminding you this, but I don't think that we did all this because we don't love your family, and please never again say that we have... Never asking you for money. This is another fake. What is she referring to?
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Gotcha. I don't know. And that's all you know, though?
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gotcha well listen i mean my big takeaway of this message is obviously she's i don't know she feels a certain way i'm sure it was with the best intentions but you saying things like i think you have past trauma that you haven't dealt with and hurt people hurt people i guarantee you she did not take that that well and i don't know if you said that to deliberately hurt her feelings because sometimes we say things like that sound nice and it's kind of a little bitchy
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because we know it'll hurt their feelings i guess you have to sometimes ask when you're first of all texts like this are never great because they can be interpreted any way they want uh and two you have to be very careful about your messaging when you send a text message because they're going to cherry pick what they read you know and your message i think at first it came with hey i want to fix this we're going to be in each other's lives i want to i want to fix this type of thing
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And then by the end, it was more like you accusing her of stuff and telling her what she needs to do differently, et cetera, et cetera. She clearly doesn't see it that way. You know, her whole part about like paying for stuff. I don't know.
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Did you? So, yeah, I guess my question, did you confront him or speak to him about this or?
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I mean, I'm sure that's like her justifying, even if she paid for the mortgage and helped you guys out financially, I assume that came from a loyalty to her son and not necessarily out of love for you. I imagine that's how you feel about that. And so that really wouldn't explain, as far as you're concerned, why you feel like she treats you a little bit differently.
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Because that's what you're saying. It's not often even obvious or in your face. It's just more subtle, little things. You just feel a disconnect between you and your mother-in-law. I think the best way to deal with this is to not make a bad situation worse. And I get the impression that's what you do, right?
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Like, stay out of your mother-in-law's business if it doesn't have to do with you or your kids. I would start there, right? I would not insert yourself and tell her, the mother of your husband, what she is... I just, parents don't take kindly to that. You know, like at some point you were just some girl, right.
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That your, your husband went to high school with, and he brought you home and you're like, here, here's this girl, whatever. And in that moment, she had all the power and all the authority over your husband. And, you know, cause she was the mom and he was, you know, a teenager type of thing. And now that's obviously not the case, right? You know, you're his wife, they have kids together.
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But I think for every parent, that's an adjustment, right? And I think that's why there's a lot of like in-law tension sometimes because there's a power dynamic at play. And this power dynamic often shifts. It goes from the person that like, you know, I don't even care if you're a minor or an adult. We always talk about like, oh, when should I introduce someone to my family?
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It's like some sort of rite of passage. And depending on how close the family is or the parent-child relationship and the dynamic, it often is like a big moment, right? Like, hey, I need my parents' approval. My family needs to like you. I can't date you unless my family likes you, right? You know, this family has all this power and they get to decide whether that person like
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passes the test or not, right? And now that's not the case, right? And I think that on some level, there's always a, that never kind of goes away, right? And that's why people, you know, I think respecting your elders is a mindset, quite honestly, that I think we've lost in general. My advice, I guess, to you is,
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Despite everything that's been said, overall, you being mindful of this kind of like, you know, just respecting your elders in the sense that like, yeah, I just don't think you should butt in when it's not needed or welcomed or asked. Short of like, you know, God forbid mom-in-law was doing something abusive or cruel, then yeah, I guess speak up. Don't let people get hurt.
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You know, don't, you know. But like, if it's just an opinion you have that differs from them, you know, like this whole parking situation or whatever. I don't know, like maybe, you know, it's like maybe, yeah, you can stay at our house, but don't park it. I don't know, like just because you do something nice doesn't mean you can't set boundaries with your guests, right?
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And your mother-in-law was setting some boundaries with her guest that you decided to like take exception with. And whatever, you know, it doesn't really matter who was right or who was wrong. It just really wasn't your business, right? And for a relationship that's already fragile, that's never been great by your own words,
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You're not doing yourself any favors by inserting your opinion where it's not welcomed. You're just creating a bigger divide. That annoyed her, I'm guessing. It would annoy most people. It doesn't matter if you're right. You know what I'm saying? So for starters, if you really want to fix this relationship, I would start there.
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I would start by not butting in with your mother-in-law when it doesn't involve you, right? Is that fair?
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All right. In the future to say, no, you know what? It's none of my business. Yeah. I guess my point is she's your mother-in-law, right? And you're right. It's, you know, old dog, new tricks. She's not going to do much changing. So this is about like making the best of a situation, right? Like you're probably right. You're, I mean, like, I don't know. Most older people have unresolved trauma.
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You know what I'm saying? Like most people do. Right. And most people haven't worked through it. So chances are your mother-in-law, you're probably right about that. There's a good chance you're not going to be the person who convinces her to go to therapy. And there's also a good chance she never does. Right.
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So if you're right about this unresolved trauma or whatever issue she has against you, that's not going to go away. Right. And so you have to make the most of the situation. And to do that is to control what you can control, choose to be happy over being right. Right. Because there's probably a lot of moments when it comes to mother-in-law, you know, you're right. You're really pissed off.
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And you decide to pick that fight rather than let it go.
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You know, and yes, we don't, you know, no one's saying let her, I'm not saying let her walk all over you, but when it comes to things like, you know, whose favors, whose kids that could be very subjective. And I don't know, do you, do you think your kids really notice it?
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We'll worry about that when they notice it. But you know what I'm saying? Like, I think you guys are arguing over a matter of opinion. I don't know. And like, you obviously have this opinion towards your mother-in-law. It would be a safe assumption to assume that you have blinders on when it comes to her and her behavior. And she has blinders on when it comes to you and your behavior.
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And neither of you give each other the benefit of the doubt. You guys have years of miscommunication and resentment for whatever the reason is. But you are going to have to, if you really want to fix this relationship, chances are you're going to have to be the bigger person. You're going to have to swallow your pride. You're going to have to bite your tongue.
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I'm not saying you should be a pushover or let this woman treat you poorly, but I think there's probably a big difference between that and picking your battles and, again, staying out of things that you don't need to stay out of and try to kill her with kindness. What's the saying? It's a lot easier to attract bees with honey than with vinegar.
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I think that's how you have to treat your mother-in-law. You really have to go out of your way to try to really make things work.
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Like what? Because right now, all I've heard is things she's done are just like little things that you either observed or assumed or presumed. None of this is like outwardly problematic. No one's in danger. No one, you know what I'm saying? This is just like little things that you have noticed that she does or doesn't do that annoys you. Is that accurate?
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fight is he making you say something to to her when she doesn't follow your guys's rules are they your rules are they your and your husband's rules so usually i'm the one that says something i think he just kind of lets it slide like if they stayed up late he's like yeah it's okay
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That's fair. Again, also, I think the easiest solution is to just not let her watch your kids. But is your husband willing to help you out? Because I really think this to be true, but if there's any in-law conflict, the glue is the partner. You know what I'm saying? If there's any conflict between in-laws, then I think the...
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the spouse, the son or daughter of the in-law that you're having a problem with is playing a role in that conflict. And it's usually because they're not doing anything about it. They're not stepping up for you. Your husband's not helping resolve this conflict as much as he could. I'm not saying your husband has control over his mom, but it sounds like he could be doing more to support his wife.
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Have you talked to your husband about this?
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How does he feel about you and you and his mom not talking?
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Well, yeah. Why couldn't you let her go to Nana's? I mean, especially if her cousins are there.
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It might be. Yeah. Well, I mean, if they're playing outside, that's one thing. If they're going inside, maybe that's the part I'm worried about.
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is that well has any of this been helpful yeah i mean it makes sense what you're saying um i'm just trying to think of how to like apply it um yeah um i'm trying to think if there's a response to what have you ever just knocked at our door no i haven't why not like i mean she's just your mother-in-law she's literally your neighbor she's your mother-in-law and she that scary
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What do you have to lose? I just think, one, I think text messaging conversations over stuff like this never goes great because, again, you two have very strong opinions about each other. And when you get text messages, I promise you, she didn't read it in the manner in which you sent it. Yeah.
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And nor did you, you know, like you read how you feel about them and how you think they feel about you and you're skimming over words and you're only reading sections of it. And that response you got to me means that whether she read the whole thing or not, the only thing that really stuck with her is you saying you have unresolved issues in past trauma.
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I could see that and hurt people hurt people and you are hurting me and our kids and she she basically tells you to fuck off and you hurt her by saying that yeah and I definitely didn't mean it in that way I mean I come from a background where like
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You're probably right. I'm just saying your goal isn't to point out this woman's problems. Your goal is to have a relationship with her. You're not her therapist and you're not her caregiver and she's not a child. And so I think we just have to be mindful of that with different relationships we have. It's like, what is our goal of this relationship?
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If your goal is to have a relationship with your mother-in-law and just have it be as peaceful as possible, then you have to go about it in a very different way than say you might with people at work, your husband, your best friend, et cetera, right? This is a woman that you didn't choose. She came with your husband. You know what I'm saying?
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And so you just kind of have to accept her for who she is, as flawed as she may be. And that's back to my original point, which is like, I don't think you are doing anything right now to help you achieve your goal. I think you're often doing things that go against what your stated goal is. And your stated goal is, again, to have a somewhat positive relationship with this woman.
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But right now it sounds more like even though that is your goal, your actions say you want to change her, prove that she's wrong, point out her flaws, critique her. At least that I guarantee that's how she feels.
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And at times I just think, you know, and again, at times you might be justified for feeling the way you do, but it does go against your ultimate goal, which is like, I just want to have a peaceful relationship with this woman. Like it's not even your goal, like to be, you know, the closest woman in her life. You just want to be like civil.
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And so when it comes to like who favors who more, I would let that shit go. If your kid shows up one day and brings it to your attention and how it makes them feel, deal with it then. All right. But until then, like, I don't think reading into situations and projecting your relationship with her onto your kids, not, you know, is, is helping anyone out.
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Okay. I don't, mom's probably the worst person that I mean, I could picture a mom seeing their son watching porn and being like, oh my God, porn addiction, you're addicted to porn.
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And I think there's probably a little bit of that going on. So in the meantime, yeah, don't send another text. If I were you and I really want to resolve that, I would knock on her door and I would just say, hey, I'd really like to talk. And again, I'm really sorry for anything I said to hurt your feelings, but I hate that we are at each other's throats. And I really don't want that.
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I wouldn't say anything else. Stop pointing things out to her. Stop letting her know what she did wrong. If you, you know, you know what I'm saying? You sent a text that said, hey, We need to talk.
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And first of all, I would choose different language because again, back to like the whole like respecting your elders, like you're just going to get a lot further with this woman if she feels like you respect her at all. I guarantee you she doesn't feel like you've ever respected her. And maybe that was a product of you being a rebellious teenager when you met her.
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I don't fucking know where this is coming from. And I'm sure a lot of that's to do with her own shit. But I promise you, if she feels a little bit more respected, you might get a little softer version of her, right? But you sent a message that said, we need to talk, right? You were telling her what you two needed to do. You weren't asking, you were demanding.
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You were like saying, this needs to happen. You know what I'm saying? You got to come in a little softer. How would you feel if your adversary told you what to do?
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Yeah, you know, but if your adversary came with a white flag and said, hey, is it possible if, you know, when you're ready, if we could sit down and resolve our differences? Because all I really want, all I want to say is I really want us to get on a healthier civil page and leave everything else off the table. You know, how can we get there?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Ask her questions rather than make statements or accusations. Again, and then she might say some stuff, but you're gonna have to do your best, again, to not have her trigger you. Because again, old dog, new tricks. You're gonna have to be the more patient one, probably. This is a woman who wants to feel very much like you invaded her family, not the other way around. She wants your respect.
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Yeah. Do you ever watch Seinfeld? I know you're only 24, but like- I've seen Seinfeld. There's this famous episode called The Contest where they all get together and they compete to see who can withhold- masturbating the longest. And this group of friends has three men and one woman, Elaine being the woman. And there was a joke by Kramer and she's like, well, women masturbate.
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I'm not saying you need to give it to her. I'm just trying to frame her point of view as well as I think it, as well as I can, or what I believe it to be, you know? And that you can do with what you want, right?
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But I think to get through this woman is trying to make her believe that you respect her a little bit more than you've shown and to not tell her what she needs to do differently, but like to state a common goal. And I think if you do that, maybe there's some hope.
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And then when it comes to the caregiving and her following the rules, I don't know, you're going to have to pick your battles and find the things that you can tolerate and not tolerate. You know, if your kids really are a mess the next day because they slept over at grandma's house, then maybe don't have them do that. Or, you know, I don't know.
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That's why you had sleepovers, whether it was with your friends at your grandma's house because you stayed up all night, you watch movies you shouldn't watch, you eat food you didn't want to eat. I don't know. That's part of being a kid.
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Right. And so, you know what I'm saying? Like, you got to ask yourself. And again, I'm not saying you need to be OK with that. And you're right. Like a tire can the next day can be a real jerk sometimes. But you know what I'm saying? I do think there's an element of you've been rivals for this woman for like the better part of I don't know how many years.
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And you're probably both guilty for where this relationship has gotten.
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If you really want to fix it, I think you need to start doing your part and then hope she does at least a little bit of hers. Because you can't fire her. And unless you want to divorce your husband, you can't get rid of her. And she's your goddamn neighbor. So you're going to have to bite your lip, be the bigger person, and try to figure this out with her. Okay.
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But like peace of mind and civility is not you surrendering. Let go of your pride. You know, think about how much emotional energy you're wasting on this and whatever amount of bigger person you have to be or swelling your pride will be well worth what you'll gain in the removing the emotional burden of having your mother-in-law and your neighbor being your rival. All right.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
All right, well, keep us posted. We'd love to know how you guys work through this. But no more texting her. No more telling her what you two need to do. And try to humble yourself and raise that flag in hopes that you can have some peace. Because that's what you want, peace. And just remind yourself that's really what you want with this woman is peace.
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instability you don't need her to play favorites you know or whatever just it really just about you to leave your kids out of it like kind of like you want to you know and like again if a few years later your kids come to you and say why does grandma like jane better than us then i don't know then it's an issue you know but until then i wouldn't worry about it and even when your husband asks your opinion about something that has to do with you stay out of it okay
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Because like, she just assumes you're not going to agree with her. Wouldn't even matter, you know? So what's the point of giving your opinion to someone who assumes you're never going to agree with her? Especially when you don't agree with her.
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You know, if, if God forbid you, you actually want to take her side, by all means speak up, that'll go a long way. But when you want to disagree with her or take someone else's side against her, all it is doing is creating a bigger divide between you and her. Okay. All right. Well, hopefully this was helpful. Please keep us posted how things go with mom and mom-in-law and wishing you the best.
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Okay, what do you mean? Who's this former best friend?
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But it wouldn't be uncommon to pop open the phone or the laptop and search for something that might pique their interest. And that could explain why, you know, at any given day, there's a handful of links because he's like popping in, popping out, taking a look. Yeah. If that's what's going on, I'm not in a position to diagnose any of that. Listen, I've watched porn.
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And where do we get to the whole like him smearing your image?
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And what substance is he accusing you guys of abusing?
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the picture you're painting is like you've this lifelong friend, family friend, you know, honoree uncle to your kids, like one day just kind of lost it and like completely changed his attitude towards his lifelong high school friends that ended up becoming husband and wife and then lost it. Is that, I mean, is that how it feels from your point of view?
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I mean, is he seriously calling himself an alien? Yeah, he... Yeah. Is this like a mental health crisis situation?
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Okay. And like the autistic part in the past few years, the number of people who have self-diagnosed themselves for a variety of different ailments when like it went from no one wanted to talk about their limitations or disabilities or shortcomings to like it becoming almost a social status. Do you think it's anything like that?
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he's special in some way and needs like how much of this accommodation, how much of this heart break of his affect them? Like, what do you think was like a lot? Okay. Do you think that's what's changed for him?
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And you haven't spoken with this person in seven months, you said?
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Porn, I do think, is a thing out there. Like when I talk about hookup culture, it's like I've participated in hookup culture. I've watched porn. I still think like, yeah, I mean, it's too readily accessible these days. It's too available. I do think it's affected young men drastically.
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decided he didn't want to speak to both of us together so i just decided to be done what is your concern level other than it's just being really annoying that these rumors and gossip that he's spreading about you two like being like affecting you guys
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And how did you, how did you find out that he was telling people this?
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Okay. And what is their perception of this situation?
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that he's the Lulu okay that's good news right so like sounds like the people he is telling he's not fooling anyone and everyone kind of sees sees it for what it is is this person is having a mental health crisis or delusional or something but no one's taking this person seriously yeah you know you don't know how unpredictable he is but like you really think he's gonna go to your place of business or no he's going to come he's going to mutual friends right
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Sure. But like, does it matter? You found out through mutual friends that he was saying this, right? And had you not found out from those friends, take away the fact that you like, you are aware that this drama between your friend and yourself and your husband's going on, but like, would you, you know, would it have affected your life at all? Would you have known the difference?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
You know, I guess that's what I'm saying. It's just like there's no point and you can sit there and worry about bad things happening all the time. And as someone who's like at times in their life been a professional worrier, I can assure you like it's possible. As I've gotten older, now that I have a kid, now that I'm you know, married.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And now I have like responsibilities outside of myself as you do as well. Like I have gotten better at like, just like, I don't have time to worry. So I don't. And I just assume everything's going to be fine until someone tells me it's not because, you know, I have enough of responsibilities that every day there's a new problem for me to solve that I do have to solve.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
So I don't have time to worry about the things that aren't problems yet. And I think just that mindset might serve you and your husband well. I mean, listen, right now at first you guys went through the whole like trying to, you know, just to like solve what you thought was like some sort of disconnect between you and a friend.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And then after trying to resolve that disconnect, it became more and more clear that this is more than just a disconnect. I don't know. This friend is going through something, and we are not able to figure out what they're going through. We can make guesses. They had a heartbreak. That really fucked him up. Now he's just really acting out of pocket.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Now he's going so far as to gossiping and spitting rumors about us. He's saying things that, quite honestly, are kind of like...
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
You know, when I was younger, when I was a kid, we used to like sneak over to the one or two friends whose dads bought Playboys, you know, and then like one of the parents might have had this like porn video that you'd pop in. It just wasn't accessible as it is today.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
friend ending things you know and if nothing else he is he has shown to be an unsafe person for you and your husband to associate yourself with now you're kind of getting into like a category of like i mean it sounds like it hasn't and i hope it hasn't but like you have each other you and your husband you have kids i think you mentioned like i mean listen i don't know
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I think, yeah, more than the loss of a friend, but what is your goal at this point? Like, is it, are you still trying to figure out how to mend this fence or are you trying to figure out like what to do next? Like, what are we trying to do?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Did the rumors happen after or before you blocked them?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Okay, that makes sense. That's what I would have guessed. Those rumors are a reaction to you blocking them, is my guess. You said this is a guy who really likes control. And he likes setting the boundaries of communication. And you took that away from him. And he is, I'm assuming, spreading these rumors so that you call him up and say, what the fuck?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
So I don't think that you should call them up and what the fuck, but I think, yeah, listen, I get it. Like it's, it's a dirty feeling to know that there's someone out there that's saying terrible, untrue things about you, you know, and you want to put a stop to that. And then it feels, you know, it's, yeah, that can really mess with you from what you're telling me.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And I, I mean, I can't give you any guarantees that's for sure, but like it all kind of makes sense. I mean, it doesn't make sense why he is acting this way, but it makes sense from what you're telling me. Person who likes control, people who likes to dictate how he communicates with his friends. You blocked him. He panicked, overreacted, and now he's saying these things to mutual friends.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
quite honestly, in hopes that it gets back to you. I don't know if he's actually being that Machiavellian or fast forward, but I think our subconscious brains kind of work that way. We kind of say things, we try to be messy. I don't know why this is, you know, but I'm guessing that's why these rumors are popping up.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
That's what I'm saying. So like annoying, but like, I think you can rest easy knowing that it's not something that is actually going to create a problem in your world.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And I think as a result, you're seeing a lot of young men... and get used to utilizing porn way too much, way too frequently. That being said, yeah, I would be curious, what did your boyfriend respond to when he brought that up and what was his answer and did he think he had one? What was his answer?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Probably, you know, you don't want to mend this fence, right? Like you guys have moved on.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I think you just let it die out. Maybe.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Were you hoping for a different answer?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Do you need to be a part of it? When you say scared, how scared? Like what, what, what level of scared?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
So don't. Yeah. I mean, if that's how you feel.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
You know, my only advice to you is like protect, protect what matters, right? You and your husband, your relationship, everything he said just sounds bizarre. Like you guys are too, you're married. He should celebrate his friends still being affectionate after all these years together, you know?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
like you know but again like the breakup fucked him up i don't know it affected him in a weird way it doesn't justify his actions and like you guys have decided to move on so correct me if i'm wrong but him spreading these rumors is what's bothered you the most since then and and really has stopped you from like just like moving on and letting it go um in the beginning we were just so confused and like heartbroken like i was really like going through like a breakup like yeah big time like
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I don't know if that's going to do any good. This guy seems unpredictable and I don't think that's going to dictate what he does. Like he knows he's not supposed to spread them. He's doing, he did it on purpose to get a reaction.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
The fact that he said it to this one friend that you're closest with than he is.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I think it's a good sign for you guys in the sense that like, he's not just going to some, it didn't affect that person's opinion of you. They didn't believe it.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I mean, if anything, maybe you guys have already done this, but have you guys just been like, we don't know what happened or why we got to this point. We really wish we didn't. We miss our friend. Ever since that trip, you have done and said things that feel unforgivable. And you don't seem like... You haven't given us any sign to either of us that this is a relationship you want to fix. And so...
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
We feel like we have no choice but to say, please leave us alone. And then you could bring up the rumors and blah, blah, blah. But like, I wonder if like a letter written by the both of you is almost like a therapeutic goodbye or a last ditch hoped to get through to him. I don't know. Because as much as you say you're- Like a written letter email. Yeah, I don't know.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
But clearly you guys, from what I'm hearing, you guys are done. It's like you guys have accepted that you can't get through to him. Like you've said, you've tried everything.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
So it's more like you give up, but it sounds like you guys still are mourning the loss of this friendship and this person because the person he has become or has shown you who he is these past seven months is unrecognizable to you. Would that be accurate? Yeah.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
So it sounds like you guys are really kind of still mourning this and almost reluctantly agreed that you have to move on from this person because he's giving you no choice. But if he gave you the choice, then yeah, you would love to have that friend back, but you don't trust him anymore.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
first before my husband and then like took and took accountability for what he's done like that would be a starting point but we just don't think he's capable of that right now i think if anything you write a letter and i always say like you know because as always especially in 2025 don't don't write a letter that if it that you would have a problem at showing up on the internet and i think you could write that letter no problem right you know what i'm saying like it's just always going to be careful of your communication yeah yeah
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
But yeah, I don't know. It could be also like therapeutic for the both of you to just kind of almost like say goodbye. I'm almost sensing a little guilt that you guys, you and your husband have because it's almost like you don't know what's going on with this guy.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And maybe it really is some sort of like mental health crisis and you don't feel, and you don't want to abandon a friend during a crisis. But at the same time, he's also like proven to be like unsafe for you and your family and relationship. Like, his behavior is not okay.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And like any friend that tries to put a wedge between a married couple, like that married couple to disconnect from that, whoever that is. Right. So he's, he's not giving you much choice. So yeah, like a letter that is just kind of like a goodbye letter and restates and reiterates like the relationship as you guys see it without trying to throw out accusations.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I mean, you're gonna have to point out the whole, like we hurt, you know, like, It was very hurtful to find out from our friends that you have been saying X, Y, and Z about us. I'm not sure where that's coming from or why you would even say something you know to be completely false, but obviously that was very painful for us to hear.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And I think most of the letter should be a tone of we're heartbroken and sad and we don't know what to do, but as painful as it is for us to ask this because we miss you, We don't feel safe around you anymore. And I think it's that language that you use.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
You guys can decide. You don't have to commit to anything. Write it. See how you guys feel about it. Maybe it's something you guys are doing therapeutically with yourselves. Ask yourself, do we really need to send it? I don't know. Maybe you do send it. Maybe you don't. You guys can sit on it for a while. it might be a good exercise for you and your husband to do it.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Like you said, it's taking up a lot of emotional bandwidth for you guys and it's affecting you guys. And you guys right now need to figure out how to let it go one way or the other.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Because right now you guys are having a hard time letting it go. He's still DMing your husband. He, your husband brings it up to you. Your husband says things like, I don't even know what to say. And you're like, I don't even know either. You know, it's just like derails our whole day.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
yeah also we like all three of us like go see a lot of live music so we like see him out yeah it's weird right so and it still feels like you guys haven't completely said goodbye to him i like that yeah you know so maybe write it say goodbye get a little closure for yourselves decide if you think you should send it but you know i don't think sending it's if it's written well
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And that, again, that written well, it's more about like, you guys are sad and you're writing it to say goodbye. And this is one of the most heartbroken letters you had to write. And it's just like, you wish it didn't come to this, but you really don't know what to do. And you don't even know why it's gotten to this point. And you miss him and you wish you could be there for him.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
But you, it feels like he has pushed you guys away in ways that you never expected. And you don't even, you don't know what to do. And now it's gotten to the point like you don't trust him or feel safe around him. And no matter how close you were, you two will never let anything come between the two of you.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And that's something that every person in your life up until like even your kids to a certain degree is that like people, you know, like couples that let people know that nothing can come between them and that they're a united front are always going to, you know, Those are the strong couples and, and people hate unity. You know, people like will always want to break that up.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
That's why they say strength in numbers. People, you know, they see a couple, they want to, there's a little gel, you know what I'm saying? Jealousy and things like that. And so, you know, his initial, you know, he needs to respect that. And if, you know, he can't respect that, then he can't be a part of it.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
But the hope, the hope in sending this letter is not because you're going to like get a letter back in a week being like, just kidding. I don't know. You're, you're, I read that letter and you're so right. It's basically to like have him sit with it. It's there if he wants to reread it whenever he's around. And then, I don't know, maybe someday he comes around. I don't, I don't know.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
But the, basically the letter is to, to leave a door open. If that thing that you never expect. And I think you don't write it, expect, you know, cause you're kind of expecting never to come around. But the point is you've, I think the guilt's coming from feeling like you alienated a friend in need because he doesn't know why he's acting this way.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And you guys have been trying to like, you've been in this kind of survival mode with him trying to just figure things out. And then these rumors started happening and you're like, what the fuck's going on? And fuck this guy. And we can't talk to him and you needed to block him and you don't even know what to do. And now you're just kind of like stuck in this like emotional limbo.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
of like yeah did we just did we ghost him or like did we did we do what what is going on you know does that make am i getting this right yes no you're i think you're nailing it i love this thank you Yeah, so, yeah, that's just kind of what I'm hearing. So I think what you guys need to care about is what I think you guys are caring about, and that is the two of you in your relationship.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And you guys just need to continue to protect that, right? And be a team and come together and figure out what you two need to let this emotional toxicity go.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
you know at least temporarily or forever and and do you know and that temporarily is like saying what you need to be said you know you're a last-ditch effort of trying to get through to him but even if you don't get through to him the message is there that like this is heartbreaking and sad and you don't want this but like at the end of the day you two will always protect the relationship above all things and that's something you should be proud and happy to say to anyone for sure I think my husband will love this too
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
all right well sorry you're going what a weird what a bizarre situation so weird it's weird but thank you so much for listening and thank you for your feedback i love your insight well well thank you and um yeah i mean there's no there's no point in diagnosing guessing further i mean clearly this breakup i have some guesses yeah clearly this breakup seemed to have really fucked him up you know that's the only thing that makes sense of like griping about you guys being affectionate you know and him not knowing how to yeah and it was it was like
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I feel that sometimes there's always been hints, but yeah, I don't know. People, people get fucking weird, man. Like I know some of my friends that like, and I wasn't friends within my twenties. I think I mentioned this. I have some friends that like, I don't keep in touch with as much as I used to. And the truth is they just got fucking weirder, man. Like, I don't know. I think,
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Maybe I got weirder. Maybe I don't know. But like people, people do change. And the reality is that you guys all met in high school and stayed friends. But your life, you and your husband's life have drastically changed where his hasn't. He's still the single guy who lives a life very much. Sounds like it's all about him.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
That's what he wants to do when he wants to do it. He doesn't answer to anyone. He had his two best friends that happened to be married. It was very convenient for him. And as you guys have matured, involved and grown and grown your family and got older, your change has been very inconvenient for him. And then he fell in love. She broke his heart. He got fucking weird.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And it's just kind of like it snapped. He snapped.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Sometimes you just have to say goodbye. Like very few people are lifelong friends.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
You go through seasons and you never know. I've lost touch with some friends and reconnected in the future. Yeah.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Yeah, I mean, this is a relationship that has an incredible foundation. There is always that hope that even a couple years from now, he might figure his shit out. And that's where maybe sending that letter, where I would say vote for saying that letter. It's not because you're looking for resolution in the immediate future.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
It's because you've literally been friends with this guy for 20-some years. And right now he's acting in a way that you don't recognize. And maybe he's just going through this midlife crisis of his and he's been fucked up. And I don't know, maybe a guy who's been generally living his life for himself by himself needs a wake up call. And maybe this is what this is. I don't know.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
But maybe a year or two from now, if he still has a letter or he'll remember the letter and he's looking for a little bit of grace or a chance to go back in, this letter will be that window for him to swallow his pride and maybe reach back out and say, hey, I was, you know, I was,
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
oh a little weird for a while there guys sorry you know uh who knows maybe you know you never really know but like that's where the the letter might be a little like and that's kind of what it is you know like in that tone if in five years he rereads this letter having like figured out his shit would that make it easier for him to reconnect with us mm-hmm then maybe send it. It's not the time.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Be careful when you write. This is not the airing of grievances letter. You know what I'm saying? There's no point in that. Short of, you can bring up the fact that the rumors he spread, yeah, you can call him out on that. But you know what I'm saying? This is not the time to be like, you know what, to be honest, you've been selfish your whole fucking life. Like not, this is not that letter.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
You know what I'm saying? This is like, we're very sad this happened. We don't know what to do. We've tried our best. We don't know why you've said some of these things. We need to distance ourself for our own like peace of mind in our relationship. But like, we wish this wasn't the case, but please respect the fact that assuming you're, you know, you're not willing to do what we need you to do.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
We're not going to respond and we're not going to, we're not going to have a relationship with you because like you've made it impossible to have one. And, and, and we're really sad about that. You know, something like that, you know?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Yeah. I would, I would try to avoid any like very like specific demands or requests.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Who knows? Like maybe, maybe he's too aggressive.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Yeah, we can't have you in our lives. This is more basically explaining, because I think there's a little bit of guilt probably from your husband from just not responding to these random DMs. He doesn't know what to say or do. And that's just pointing this out. Us not being your life, that's why I'm not responding. That's why we're not talking. That's why we're not reaching out.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
you can acknowledge maybe in the letter that you blocked him, but why you blocked him, it's just more like, I didn't know what to do, you know? And like, it's, and you can be vulnerable and say, this is, we have spent hours and, you know, he, I don't know how I feel about it. Maybe he'll get some sort of, he'll get off on it. I don't, I don't know. But I think you can,
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
The hope of you acknowledging how much energy this has costed you and your husband and how much time you spent trying to figure out what's going on with this relationship will certainly like stroke his ego and make him feel validated. But the hope is in the future, he'll have some like empathy about like what, what this emotionally is costing you guys. And maybe he'll come around.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
stroking his ego or doing whatever to make him feel good i just want this to end well part of it ending is you guys being able to let it go right because you can't control him and and and part of it ending is you and your husband like kind of agreeing and just letting it go and part of it is also not talking about him anymore that's hard yeah
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
event maybe your husband I think also telling the mutual friends to just not tell us if he talks about us yeah let the mutual friends be like listen we've heard it all yeah we've heard it all like we're not talking to him anymore you know like listen like I think he's just we've tried reaching out to him we've tried but like just yeah don't That's the thing you get.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Did he elaborate on those other things?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
You have to just you and your husband should like do a little bit of accounting about what are the things that are keeping us emotionally invested in this and then try to friends are trying to get us back together. Why, though?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
like i think it's just like if we if there's like a group trip planned it's we can't like but you're not throwing it away i'm like you're like again one day this man out of nowhere called us up and started airing these random grievances about like how affectionate we are as a married couple and then regardless of how crazy we thought those accusations were we like we tried to like
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
We're like, yeah, exactly what you thought. We're not kind of like, obviously, let's, I don't know, let's figure this out. He's upset. We don't know why he's upset. We wanted to talk to him. And things only got worse. And now he is spreading lies and rumors about us behind our backs.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
If I'm being you, I would go to your friends and be like, if you guys know how we should fix this, fucking let us know. We've goddamn tried. Like, right?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
So that's what I would say to your friends. What would they say? Like, what have they said?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I'm even more in favor of writing the letter because I just see, I feel like it closes the loop on all this like friend drama. But listen, I don't know. You guys are at a stage in your life that like, I'm not saying fuck your friends, but like, I don't know. Like, listen, like at the end of the day, fuck your friends. I don't like.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Exactly. And like, they'll, I don't know if they really, I don't know. Write the letter. And that's what you, it's like, that's kind of like your insurance policy. It's like, again, like we, we tried guys balls in his court, but like, what do you want us to do? We've tried.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
So like talk to him in almost like you guys have no idea how much emotional energy we've put into trying to fix this relationship. So like, no offense, you guys know, I have no idea what you're talking about. And I'm sorry it's messed up the dynamic, but what would you do if someone was out there spreading rumors about you and your family?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Do an inventory of what's keeping you guys emotionally invested and try to put a stop to that for now. It shouldn't affect you guys the way it has. It's not fair.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
But I also think like sometimes as adults, we can't handhold our friends. Sometimes people have to go on those journeys on their own and that's, and people can come back into our lives. It happens all the time.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Well, good luck. I am sorry you're going through this. Please, I'd love, please keep us posted. I'd love to know. I would love an update.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Thanks so much. All right. Best of luck. Take care. Okay.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And to be clear, this whole like past alleged addiction, it sounds to me that's less of him saying, yeah, I used to have a problem. And I had this other very similar but different experience where not my girlfriend caught me, but my mom caught me and really embarrassed me about like the porn I was watching. Or did he actually have one to your knowledge?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
See, I think that's a bit of a problem.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I don't know how it is for women, but I think masturbating for men is very different than having sex.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And I do think sometimes when women catch their male partners masturbating, there's kind of this like, really? You'd rather do this than be with me, than have sex with me, than yada yada? And I think to a certain point, it's a valid question if you were to feel that way, you know, but it's, I think it's all a balance.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I think for some men or maybe women too, but I've less experience or no experience. I think it can be like a stress relief. It can be just like something to clear your head, things like that. Yeah. So listen, I think it was wrong for you to go through his laptop. I think you know that, right? You know, you're fine. You had a moment of weakness.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And I can't speak to this past porn addiction that he acknowledged or how deep that went. I mean, the fact that his mom is a part of that conversation and like she caught him or something, that would be really embarrassing for any young man.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And not too much differently. And similarly embarrassing to have your girlfriend catch you. I mean, I don't know if you've looked at any of those titles, but there's some weird fucking titles for porn out there. And there's this weird porn in general. And I don't think most guys are like paying attention, all that to it. It's just like, click here. What do they look like? What's going on?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I don't think there's that much thought going into it. I don't think it's a big deal that your boyfriend masturbates every day. I don't like, I don't think it's a big deal that he would necessarily watch porn to masturbate at the same time. Listen, I think porn affects brains negatively. I don't even think that's an opinion. I think it's like a scientific fact.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And like any, any, whether it's, whether it's drinking, whether it's smoking weed and smoking cigarettes, whatever, you know, like, listen, we all have our vices, so to speak. But the question is, can we have healthy relationships with them? Right.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
You know, short of you catching your boyfriend, like watching porn, even when he's like not masturbating or just like, you know, that would be weird, you know? But if, if this is really just when he masturbates, like, I think that's more, I'm again, not a therapist, but that doesn't sound like necessarily an addiction or a problem.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
It's just more like, it could be like a personal ick of yours, but like what you saw on his laptop versus what the reality of the situation is based on what you're telling me. there's a good chance you saw something you probably shouldn't have saw, you shouldn't have snooped, and the appearance of what you saw looked way worse than the reality of what it is.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
And I'm basing it on the fact that let's assume your boyfriend masturbates on a daily basis, and let's assume that when he masturbates, he's usually consuming porn, that that would explain the search history that you saw. And if that is all he's doing is whipping up the laptop for six minutes a day and watching, you know, a few seconds here, lands on one, you know, I don't know.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
It probably doesn't take him all that long to complete the task. You know what I'm saying? He's probably, you know, if you were had the benefit of watch time, it would probably be very minimal. Yeah. Okay. But that's assuming that's the truth. I don't know. Like, I don't know if he's sitting down and just watching these. That would be... But I also don't even know what classifies a porn addiction.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Did you look at like timestamps? Was that available?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I think he's bopping around. I've cleared, you know, my search history before. And I think sometimes it could, you know, it's extensive. Yeah, it doesn't take much for a couple clicks to get all of those kind of registers, even though you didn't really even watch them, per se. It's definitely a possible explanation. You know, I don't. Okay. Yes.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
The fact that you saw it multiple days in a row and you saw several videos, I don't think means he's actually watching these.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
On a regular basis. It might just mean he's masturbating every day.
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
Well, how often are you guys hooking up, like having sex?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
I mean, it's pretty solid. It's pretty good. Where are you guys now as a couple?
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E901 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend's Search History
When you're saying you're more sexual, what do you mean by that? Why do you feel that way?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And so the more calm and like just confident and independent and secure person that you can be, the more desirable you'll be towards him. Right. But if you don't take my advice and you go on this trip and play house and you keep having sex with him and you let him call the shots about when to hang out and when he's ready and you say yes, when he asks you to, he'll never want to be your boyfriend.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
They're not even valid. These are facts. These aren't points.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yes. And that never do that anymore. Don't make up fake deadlines. All they really do is take away your credibility.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Because it's like, you know, what is mid-February? I don't know. He might not be ready by mid-February. Right. It's you have to show him that you can resist him and say no to him and that you can enforce your standards and boundaries. And so that he has to meet your expectations from where he's ready right now. This is all about him being ready.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So as long as he's not ready, he feels justified to say, I can't be your boyfriend, but do you still want to have sex? And you're going to calmly be like, yeah, you're not ready. But when you are ready here, I need you to do X, Y, and Z. If you want to be my boyfriend, I need you to do this. And you just be calm as fuck about it.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah, if you can't stick to it, then you lose. Right.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah, I mean, again, you get off on being in a position of power here. Like, this is, you know, kind of, you know, it's a little manipulative. Fine. But whatever. Play the game. Play it well. Yeah. Otherwise, he will be in the driver's seat and this can go on forever. It will go on forever. Almost certainly go on forever, especially, and you are at risk. You never know eight years, four months.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
He absolutely could get back together with her.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah. I'm just saying he's not out of the woods yet. He's not eight years. He's not out of the woods. That's why, I mean, that's why he spent two hours talking to her because he feels an obligation to her. You got to do it right.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
There you go. Well, there you go. But so you got laid a couple of times. You've had some fun and now you, you got what you wanted. Now, if you really want what you really want, you're going to have to make, you're going to have to change course. You're going to have to mix it up. You have to stick to your guns.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I would literally reach out to him the next time you see him and just listen. I don't think we should stay in the same room. I like, I want to be clear. I'm not, I know you're going to think this is a drastic, but like, I just don't, I don't want to play house. I re I do. I really like you, but you're not ready. And I just don't think we should be sharing a hotel room when, when you're not ready.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And if he, and even if he's like, no, I'm ready to be like, no, like, listen, you're just reacting. We'll, we'll, we'll still go on this trip, but you cannot sleep with him on the trip.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I mean, you're saving yourself. I can't tell you how many hours and years of potentially months of heartbreak and disappointment and frustration with this guy.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah, it shouldn't be that hard. I get it in the short run, but like I'm 100% right here.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
This one I'm confident about. Okay. So the choice is yours.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
He really is not ready. I mean, that how much I believe.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Forgetting about that. When I, when I, when I, me and my girlfriend of seven years off and on broke up. And again, I jumped into another relationship that moved very fast. So fast that like we moved in together and got engaged in a year and a half. I didn't stop thinking about the other girlfriend until after me and the next girlfriend a year and a half later broke up.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So he's ready. But you creating distance and you showing him that you can say no to him and that you have your own standards and expectations he needs to meet. It will make him focus more on you. And what he needs to do for you and less focus on her. When you make it easy for him to have access to you, he doesn't have to invest his emotional energy in you.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And then he will have time and space to invest his emotional energy on feeling bad for his ex-girlfriend. If he's feeling bad for her, he's investing his energy in her.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah. So he's, he's still emotionally trying to take care of her, which is understandable, but you need him to start emotionally meeting your needs and expectations and giving him what he wants when he wants it. Won't get it done.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Well, I consider you lucky, but why does that bother you? I'm assuming you wish you were in the group chat.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So do you think if you asked to be a part of this group text, they would say no?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And, like, I don't fit in that equation. So then why do you want to be in this group chat?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Well, what if. Let's assume stepmom's not going to change.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And knowing that, let's assume, given that she's not going to change and that your stepmom is always going to have a sense of, you know, her kids and their kids are really the first priority and you're kind of, you know, the Cinderella of the group. Wouldn't it be safe to assume that being in this group chat would almost at times make you feel a certain way or allow them to trigger you
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So like this sister, is she, is she your stepsister, your half sister, full sister? Like what's the relation between,
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Sure. But yeah, well that's all. Yeah. But like, so that your step-mom decided to adopt her. So I'm obviously in her mind, you know, there's going to be a special connection there. And like you've pointed out, step-mom has kind of gone out of her way to, make you feel a little less important.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Like, do you, do you want a matching tattoo with that woman?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I completely, I completely hear you on why that bothers you. I really do. You know, however, we are talking about someone who, let me, do you even like her?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
um at times i do at other times i can't stand her okay well it's normal but like i i just like this is like i want what you can't have and i understand why you want it and you have the right to want it but it's like your desire to want to be in this group chat and your desire to have a matching tattoo with someone is mostly based off of you not being asked rather than the fact that you want to go
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
It's like, you know, when I was single, there was just a lot of events I wanted to be asked to be a part of that I honestly didn't want to go to.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And I would care more if I wasn't asked. But to be honest, I was like, I don't really want to go. You know, it's the same mindset. So you have the right to be upset. But I think you would be happier if you could just accept the fact that, you know, as upsetting as it is, this woman operates this way. And...
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You know, I'm just a big believer in it's a lot easier to be around people, whoever those people are, when you just accept who they are.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
No, I don't think you're making it up at all. I just think you're an adult. You know, you have your own life. You know, you have a partner. Did you say, do you have kids?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You have your, you have your own family and yeah, you don't like how step mom is handling yourself. And yes, it's affecting your relationship with your dad, but your relationship with your dad's never been great. And on some level, Well, not on some level. On the most level, that's his responsibility.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
It's like, you know, she obviously is influencing him, but like he's allowing himself to be influenced by her. Yeah. And I just think you're going to have to decide how much energy you want to give these people who have demonstrated a lifetime of making you feel less than. And I don't think you should cut them off. I don't think it's like has to be a black and white situation.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I think there's just a big difference between cutting them off and just like, again, accepting their shortcomings and taking what you can get, so to speak. Tom Sandoval comes to mind. I'm not like close friends with the guy, but where other people like are like, I want nothing to do with him. I'm not offended by Tom Sandoval's presence. I'm fully aware of who Tom Sandoval is.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I don't expect more of Tom Sandoval than I think I should. Tom Sandoval has never disappointed me. I guess this is family, and so it's not the best comparison. But I really think in general, why I often don't get disappointed by people is because I quickly am honest with myself about how I think they are.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And if they continue to demonstrate to me an inability to meet my expectations, then I stop having those same expectations of them. And when you stop having expectations of people, they stop disappointing you. And you can still have people who you have very little expectations of still be a part of your life.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You know, we've had this similar conversation for a different reason with a caller, but this was like a parent-child relationship call. And I get it. It's heartbreaking not to have the relationship with your parent that you wish you had. And I say that as someone who's very lucky to have that relationship. So I'm saying that in a position of privilege.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And so I understand that I don't know what it's like to be in your shoes. At the same time, for people I do know, who are in your position, they've been able to be happier and have a better relationship with those people when they stop expecting them to be something they've clearly proven they can't be, you know?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So, you know, coupled with the fact that like, I get, you know, no one likes to be left out, but there's a good chance being in this group chat would make you feel not better, but worse.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah, I don't think you have to be confrontational. If you ever wanted to, to your dad to say, I would really love it if you would include me more, if you were willing to do that with the stuff that you do with the family. And if you don't want to, that's fine, but it would mean a lot to me if you included me more.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Why would you be scared to say that to your dad?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
That's a really good headline. So who did you hook up with?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Well, you're not asking him about his feelings.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
But there's a huge difference between calling up your dad and saying, you never include me. I'm always Cinderella. You're the worst. Why can't you be different? You call someone, whether you're right or wrong, you call someone up and say that, they're going to get defensive.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
If you call someone up and say, hey, if you ever wanted to include me, it would mean a lot if you guys included me more without complaint. Don't complain. Just say what would tell them what would make you feel good. Everybody likes helping other people out because when you help someone out, it makes them feel good too. So tell your dad how he can help you make you feel good.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
He may not take the bait. But, and I don't know, you know, maybe he'll lose his mind and argue with you and whatever. It's possible. I mean, who knows? But he's far less likely to do that because you're not accusing him of anything. You're not giving him a real reason to be defensive. You're just asking for a favor. You're not complaining about stepmom.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You're not pointing out that you're never included in anything. Just tell him what he can do to make you feel better and see what happens.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Well, you're much better at confrontation than you give yourself credit for. So don't be confrontational and just tell him ways that he can help you because people love to help people.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I hear you. And again, like it's a tough, I'm not saying it doesn't suck and you have every right to bother you, but accepting who people are and being honest with yourself about who they are and what their limitations are is a great way to stop being disappointed and having you get hurt.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
If I insisted that Tom Sandoval be my main confidant and the person I trusted all my deepest, darkest secrets with and needed Tom Sandoval to be my emotional support system, I might be very disappointed often. If I allowed how Tom treated me to impact how I feel about myself,
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Your roommate's slash best friend's friend. Friend. Okay, okay. This person, they're not your friend.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And again, I understand that a guy who's not even that much of a friend of mine is not different than your father, but the premise still applies is that your dad has given you years and years and years of proof that he's just not that great of a dad to you. And he has a hard time being the empathetic, emotional, loving dad that you wish he was.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So just accepting that he's not that person and stop hoping that he's going to be that person is going to set you up for success better with your dad. And then just communicating to him things that would make you feel more connected to him without complaining about things he has or hasn't done in the past is a much more effective way of getting what you want from him or anyone else.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
It's not a false reality. It's just more hope, you know? Yeah. Again, like I'm sure you've seen other people in your life have parents who've done the things you wish your dad would do.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And your brother, what's your relationship with your brother? Is he also adopted?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So again, it's, it's not meant to make you feel better, but instead of, I mean, go to therapy, but instead of talking about the same thing with your therapist over and over and have this thing be a constant thing that you, it sounds like up in this point, every time your dad and step mom treat you a certain way, you ask yourself, well, what did I do wrong? Where did it all go wrong?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
The answer is obvious. She is clearly a loud voice in that family. And she has decided that her adopted daughter and the son that she gave birth with is just more important than her stepdaughter, who she doesn't feel is connected to. And she has decided to kind of be a dick about it. And that has nothing to do with you. She's just that kind of shitty stepmom.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So before we get into it, what are the potential problems that you're concerned about?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And honestly, it's more common than you think. It really is.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
There is some truth to that. I think it's very common. And I don't even think sometimes the parents realize it. Natalie has seven siblings, right? They all have the same dad. Four of her siblings are full siblings. She's got three siblings that are half siblings. She's, you know, they're all family now. But her oldest sister, which is technically her half sister... Mm-hmm.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
you know like she's close with natalie's mom but like she has a version of when she was like a teenage girl and her dad married natalie's mom like she has a version of that story that i think is different than natalie's mom's version and it may not be quite as like you know but i don't think she felt quite as loved by natalie's mom as the love that natalie's showed for her own kids
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You know, and I would, you know, I don't think it was malicious or intentional. So like, you know, and maybe this woman that your stepmom was a total nightmare. But what you need to focus on is that like, it's not you. It's not your fault. There's nothing to figure out and stop being like, oh, well, what did I do wrong? Like, you didn't you didn't do nothing wrong.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And stop expecting your dad to do things differently when he hasn't shown anything different over the years. And instead of saying things that are going to make him feel like he needs to defend himself, ask for his help and try to make it as simple as possible for him to help you.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Just like, listen, it really makes me feel good when you guys include me. I'd love to be closer with you guys. You know, he might say, well, maybe you shouldn't have cut us off back then.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And it's just like, yeah, maybe I shouldn't have, but I guess I'm, and then you say without being confrontational and taking the bait, you say, just say, yeah, I'm sorry, but I really just want to focus on a better relationship going forward with you. And I, you know, you know, you might have to be the bigger person here and it sucks.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
No one likes to be the bigger person when it comes to their parent. No one's the parent or child, but like, you know, as we get to be adults, sometimes we have to.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
That's the thing. It doesn't, you know, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Do you want to be ready? Do you want to be happy?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah. And that's better than nothing. And that's better than constantly feeling less than and fighting with your dad. You know, it's like, it's the waste of your energy.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Maybe, but I, I, I wouldn't want to be in that group chat.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And so why did you why did your friend feel the need to tell her?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
But you again, that should stop surprising you.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
She does not see you as a part of her family. It's that simple.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You did cut them off for a period of time.
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On a one-off, that does seem a little petty and a little bit overreactive, but that's not really the point, and we're not here to litigate the past, but I think the big takeaway from that is
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You not accepting people for who they are and continuing to have unrealistic expectations sets you up for disappointment after disappointment so that when they make some kind of remark that honestly she probably thought nothing of it, you overreact and lose your shit.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Stop wasting all this energy on that family. Focus on your family.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
That's a lot of energy. You're focusing on people who aren't appreciating your love and that's energy you could be giving your kids and your partner.
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All right. Well, good luck. Keep us posted on how, you know, I'd love to hear if you're able to implement this and if that improves your waste and energy. Because right now, I think your problem is just how much energy you're wasting on this. And none of it is really the rest. You just have to accept for it for what it is. There's nothing else to change because they're not going to.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
But how is telling her that her ex-boyfriend of four months had sex with another girl helping her? Unless she like asked.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Okay. Well, I'm very sorry to hear about your mom. What do you mean by abandoning you over Christmas?
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And is your friend, Jessica, these are fake names, everybody. Was she upset with you or was she just, you know, whatever, whatever.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You're dating for like about a year, you said?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Okay. calling in i'm curious like what i mean obviously you're hurting right now like hearing you talk it really reminds me of breakups i had in the past um and so i can hear you talk it really brought me back to you know some difficult times i had in in uh in my life, what are you hoping to get out of this call and what can I help you work through?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
She didn't care, but she was just trying to be a good friend to the ex.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Well, that sucks. I mean, the financial part and the fact that it sounds like the location was mostly based around her. Have you looked at, just talking practical stuff, are you able to sell this? Not ideal and not convenient, and maybe you might not get back what you put in. What can you get out of this, assuming you don't want to move forward with this particular piece of property? I...
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Okay, so if I'm hearing you right, to me that sounds like right now, fucking sucks. But in reality, it's just an extra fucking, you know, fucking knife. It feels like a real added fuck you that you didn't need in an already difficult situation.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
well what am i supposed to do here and there was other things attached to it also but you know so when you're talking and i said you know when i said a lot of what you're saying reminds me it really reminds me of the first time i got engaged and that was like 20 Fuck, man, I was 28. That was, I don't know how many years ago, a lifetime ago.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You know, a lot of different situations, but when you're talking, so obviously a lot of what you're expressing is coming from your feelings. So even when you first said, you know, my girlfriend abandoned me when my mom passed and over Christmas, what I'm hearing is I feel abandoned. you know, by my girlfriend because of how she handled the breakup around my mother's passing over Christmas.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And Christmas is, you know, I get why you're saying that because that feels like a time where people have, you know, they usually connect. And when you don't have someone over those times, you feel abandoned. And I say feel because... Well, I don't know your girlfriend and I don't know her story. If I'm just taking an objective approach at this, people have a right to leave relationships.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Did this Emily person, I'm assuming she like lost her shit and...
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Obviously, you know that, right? And then I hear you talking and a lot of what you're saying right now is you're relitigating promises you guys made as a couple to each other.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
you know the expectation that you guys would get married or engaged you know like clearly you weren't like someone who was just like flying by the seat by their pants like you made a financial investment in this property into this ring and a lot of those investments were based off of conversations you two had and expectations that you guys said as a couple and now you feel
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misled you feel lied to you feel probably manipulated and things like that and when me and my fiance at the time broke up i remember being at work and i was like heartbroken as fuck and i remember i just one co-worker and well two co-workers donna and carmen and man i would spend all day be like she said this to me and i don't know and they would always like Yeah, that's fucked up.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And like, you know, I was just like talking with the girls. I was just constantly talking about all the shit she said that she no longer backed up with her actions. And in my mind, I was just like, I just got angrier and angrier at her and mad and mad. And like, you know, I was hurt. And I think right now, listen, it's still really raw. It's so raw.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And obviously, you're also dealing with the passing of your mom. So now you probably haven't even been able to fully deal with that loss because you've had to deal with this loss, which you were hoping that your girlfriend would be there for you to help you with the loss of your mother. And I can completely understand why you feel abandoned.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So listen, I guess if you're hoping for advice on how to move on, The best advice I can give you is a lot of what you're ruminating over right now is something I'm very familiar with and something I was very good at doing when I was in your position when I was younger. And that is definitely gonna make you stuck as opposed to helping you move on.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And for whatever reason, your girlfriend opted out of this relationship. I don't know her. Whatever she said to you, I'm not ready for this. I mean, when people break up with someone, all they're trying to do is just get out of that conversation as fast as possible without feeling like the bad guy. You know what I'm saying? And there's nothing she could have said to you that would have made you go,
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Oh, okay. I see your point. Yeah, I'm good. We should break up. You didn't want to break up. You cared about her. You felt differently than her. I don't know why she opted out. She did. It fucking stings. It happened at the worst possible time. not even comparing it to your loss, but I was like fucking 19. My very first girlfriend that we ended up getting back together off and on.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
But the first time she broke up with me, my mom was having very serious head surgery. And I just remember wishing I had my girlfriend and feeling very abandoned. And that really stuck with me and fucked me up a little bit. But Listen, right now, again, give yourself some grace because this is so raw and it just happened and it's just going to take a little bit of time.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how big of a deal that is, to be honest. I know people might disagree with me, but who'd you hear that from?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
But what will help you start moving on faster, what you really need to stop doing as much as you can is to re-litigate things that she said to you in the past. and trying to make sense of why she said what she said in the past and compare that to what she did in terms of ending the relationship and breaking your heart. Because none of it will make sense. It will just piss you off.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And you'll feel more right. And yeah, in your mind, she'll just be more of a monster. But that really won't make you hate her. It will just make you miss her. And it just doesn't help you move on.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah, I mean, which is easier said than done at first. It's really the ruminating. I'm a big believer now that you can control your thoughts. And I think there's a big difference in it because I used to not think that. I used to argue with my dad. I'm like, I can't help how I feel. I'm sad. There's nothing I can do about it. And yeah, you can't do anything about your feelings.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
We can't help the thoughts that pop in our head. You're going to wake up tomorrow morning And I don't know, something she said is going to pop in your head and it's going to trigger you and piss you off. Nothing you can do about that. That's going to happen.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
But what I used to do, and it sounds like you're doing a lot of as well, is this thought will pop in your head instead of just being like, yeah, I fucking sucked. And then try to, I don't know, think of something else, work, I don't know, whatever your interests are, you know, a hobby, calling your buddy up, asking you to get you out of your fucking mind, go golfing, whatever the fuck it is.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I think there's just a lot of gray. There's a lot in that in that conversation. You know, if he is reaching out to her on a regular basis and just letting her know that, like, hey, we might get back together again.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Instead of doing that, you're having a conversation with her in your head by yourself. I couldn't tell you how many arguments I've had with ex-girlfriends in my head by myself in the car. If someone saw me, I'd probably look like a fucking crazy person. And you're probably doing a lot of that. Everyone in your shoes does that right now.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And the trick to trying to move forward faster is to catch yourself And be like, all right, fuck, you know, I'm Max, you're fucking doing it. Like, just think of something else, you know? I don't know. Like, instead of doing, I used to obsess over the car my ex used to drive. And then all of a sudden I was like, everywhere I go, I'm seeing a silver Ford Focus.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I was like, no, I'm just looking for them. And you know what? They were at the time a very popular car. And so I was just obsessing over things that convincing myself of all this shit. And that was just me obsessing, ruminating. And I wasn't stopping myself and just checking myself. Because again, this is raw. You're going to hurt for a while. That's inevitable.
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There's nothing you can do about it. But the difference between hurting for a month or two versus a year is your ability to to get better at acknowledging these thoughts and instead of ruminating over and over, work on getting out of that headspace, finding the distractions. I'm a big believer in kind of faking it to your making in this department.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I used to when I had my heart broken, when people would be like, how are you doing? I'd be like, I'm fucking miserable, man. I'm just like, I am fucking miserable. I would wear my pain on my sleeve and I'd mope around. That didn't help. I went through another heartbreak later and I was just like, I'm not gonna do that anymore. And when people would ask, I'd be like, I'm good, man.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And I didn't feel good inside. I did not feel good. But when I went out and I hung out with my friends, you know, yeah, I found one or two friends to vent to and get it off my chest. But for everyone else, I wasn't gonna like burden my, like wear my pain on my sleeve and just like mope around. every day that I started saying, you know what, I'm doing all right.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I believed it a little bit more and a little bit more. And I started just being all right. If you do that one day, you'll wake up and be like, I'm actually, you know what, I haven't thought about it in a while. You'll go from thinking about it every day to thinking about it half the day. And then half the day will become a third of the day. But you have to challenge yourself to not do that because
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Before I did that, for six months, I wore this on my sleeve. My mom called me every morning and for an hour, I had an hour drive to work and for an hour every day, I would fucking ruminate about it.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And, you know, as much as it was great to talk to my mom, it just made a bad situation worse because I stayed in it and I hung on to that pain because quite honestly, that was the last thing I had of the relationship was the pain.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
When was the last time that he was like, I don't know, maybe, sure, like, maybe, I don't know, maybe we'll get back together.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Was she accusing you of being like a jerk or stealing? What is she?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Well, listen, like hopefully this is just a one-off situation where, you know, tensions are high between the two of you. I mean, and quite honestly, the more you describe about this person, and I'm not trying to talk shit on her or anything like that, but like you only have known this person for a little over a year. she maybe just is not the person you thought she was.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Like the person I got engaged to first, like, you know, great person, not my person, but I definitely didn't see that at the time. And she really fucked me up when we broke up. And it took a long time to be like, you know what? I mean, thank God. that relationship ended, you know, and the more you talk, it's just like, you know, maybe she's just not your person.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And, but I think what's really important now is, and I would, you know, listen, when we break up unexpectedly and it feels blindsided and they'll, and that person doesn't give us the quote unquote closure that we think we need, even though it's not really her job to give you closure, but it certainly doesn't feel that way. We hang on to hope.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And I think whatever hope that you may have had about this relationship and getting back together, my hope for you is that mentally you have said goodbye to this relationship and you have let go of the possibility of getting back together. Where do you land on that?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I want the things that have been revealed to you since you've broken up that have made you, that have kind of soured her in your mind. If you're going to focus on anything, focus on that. And that's not to disparage her or whatever. Eventually, she simply just won't be a thought in your mind. But for now, your heart is going to want to romanticize
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah, I mean, this is a lifetime ago, but my last serious relationship before I ever went on The Bachelor. Overall, it was a great relationship. We did it for two and a half years, and we were just butting heads, and so we broke up. And at the time, it was the closest thing I ever had to a mutual breakup. We were living together. We were just butting heads.
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about the relationship and the promises that were made and things like that, it's time to just say, this relationship is over. It's about moving forward, about moving on. Get back to reinvesting into yourself and the gym and hanging out with your guys and higher education and things like that. And when it comes to this property, listen, You just got to take the L, you know?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I had to sell my engagement ring for a loss, you know? It sucked, but you take the L. You've been through some difficult times with your background, you know? Clearly, you must have some resiliency in you. You know what it's like to get knocked down. This is about not getting yourself knocked down and getting back up.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And so instead of feeling bad for yourself and, oh, that was stupid and I shouldn't have done that or whatever negative thoughts that you, you know, whatever. You took the fucking L. And now this is about figuring out how to make the most of that situation. Figure out what do you need to do this property? I don't know. You got to be pragmatic about it. You got to take the emotion out of it.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You got the sentimental, what it was meant to be. Fuck that shit. Now this is a piece of investment property that wasn't your plan, but talk to who you need to talk to and get the best sound advice about the best solution for this property, whether it ends up being a bit of investment property that you hang on to or you hang on to it for a period of time before you're able to sell it.
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And even if it's at a loss, Just make the best business decision for yourself and take the feelings and the romance out of it and don't allow yourself to ruminate and have any sentimental value for this property. It's just a piece of land.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah. You're going to be sad. It's still really raw. Like that's normal. She's going to pop in your head. You're going to want to ruminate. You're just going to have to like get better and better at checking yourself and not doing it. Are you in any type of therapy?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
lean into that man especially with the loss of your mom because right now you have to be mindful of the fact that like this breakup has not allowed you to process the loss of your mom so like be mindful of that you know whether it's the support group or you know jumping into therapy i would make a serious investment in making sure that you are able to get this shit out in a productive way not just like ruminating it with your friends or whatever
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
But just making sure that you are dealing with this loss of your mom and properly moving on from your girlfriend. Because this is emotional energy. And that emotional energy could be put to a lot of other things that are far more productive. But until you deal with it, it's going to cost. So a lot of people say, I don't want to spend money on therapy or whatever.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
If you want to think about it pragmatically, it's just figuring it out now. Because that shit ain't going to go anywhere until you deal with it.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah. And let's listen. There's a world. And if you were to try to learn anything from your relationship, again, if you're going to think about your relationship, think about what you can learn from it. Don't relitigate the past. This is not about figuring out how you were a victim in that relationship or why she's a total monster. If you're going to think about it, what could you learn?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
She moved out, but I was a couple years older than her. This was her first serious relationship, but I already had a seven-year relationship that was a nightmare for me to get out of. I had a failed engagement already. I was at the point in my relationship life where I was done getting back together with exes. And when we broke up, she very much was like, let's just take a break.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And I don't know. You were only dating this person for a year. It takes a long time to get to know someone, even if it feels like you've known them for a long time. you know, listen, people move fast and sometimes people get it right. But like, I don't know, you know, maybe she did feel like things were moving too fast. You know what I'm saying?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So like next time it can get really exciting when you're in love and you make big plans together, but don't be afraid to check in with your partner and just say, Hey, listen, like we can always slow down and let's just make sure we're ready because sometimes people can move too fast and sometimes that can freak people out. And sometimes, you know, people don't know how to express their emotions and
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and things feel intense and then they don't do it and it bottles up and then they just kind of leave because they don't know how to handle it. And that sounds a lot like what your girlfriend did.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah. Maybe. And maybe she was. How old was she?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So listen, obviously, you know, I mean, my wife is a lot younger than me. We met when she was 21. That's a risk, man. When me and my now wife got together, you know, you're going to date someone a lot younger than you.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You had to prepare yourself for the fact that like, you know, when you were 22, you were pretty sure about what you wanted only to realize that maybe you didn't want the things that you thought you wanted. And there was a lot of, at least when I was 22,
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
That should help you make you feel that again with the ruminating, you know, instead of trying to figure things out, you can just chalk it up to the fact that like, you know, maybe she just thought she wanted this. She didn't want it. And that is a risk of dating someone a bit younger than you.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Yeah. All right. Well, hopefully this was helpful, man.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
All right. Well, you know, it sounds like you're doing a lot of the right things. Really just keep doing it. Allow yourself to feel because it's still really raw. But just check yourself when you're ruminating. Keep leaning into that support group. I would look into therapy and just keep investing yourself. And I think this will get better over time.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
You know, just be willing to learn from the things that didn't work out.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I appreciate your call. It's always great. I mean, not great that you're going through this, but really love hearing from the men out there who also go through some of the relationship problems. It's nice to hear. So I appreciate your vulnerability.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And I was very sad that we broke up. I really was. I hated how much we fought. And I'm sure at some point I was like, yeah, I mean, like, yes, maybe we'll see how things go. We'll see how this break goes. But just so saying that doesn't make it illegal for either of those two people to date or hook up or do whatever the fuck.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
So short of him, like, again, proactively saying this to her as like a manipulation tactic to stop her from going out and living her life and seeing other people. I don't really think this is that big of a deal.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I don't think he really, I don't think he's the bad guy that she is trying to paint him to be to everyone in this group of friends, just because at some point he was telling her like, there's a possibility things might work out.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Forget about the ex. What is this with you two right now?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Sorry for interrupting. My first girlfriend, we did it off and on for seven years. I've written about her. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, sure, yeah. Anyways, yeah, it will... That's tough. Yeah, those eight-year relationships will fuck you up. So I do have empathy for this ex. It doesn't mean she's right, but I do have empathy for her. So anyways, he doesn't want to be in a relationship
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
Okay, so here's what you need to do. It's real simple. It sounds like things are going pretty good, but you are in dangerous territory right now.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And you are at a crossroad. But it's not too late. And I'm glad you called in at the right time because you're still in a slight position of power. Because it sounds like he really enjoys spending time with you. And I don't doubt that your friend said that he's known to be a relationship. I mean, listen, he was in an eight-year relationship.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
But I was in a seven-year relationship. He will have fear of entering in a relationship. And just because he's a relationship guy doesn't mean he can't also give fuck boy. You did a pretty good job trying to set some boundaries. You had the best intentions. The problem with your pitch is that it includes giving him the milk for free, so to speak, right?
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And allowing him to have access to all the benefits of having you as a girlfriend without the commitment. And no one... gives that up easily. You need to, as soon as possible, next time you see him, say like this, like, listen, I also, by the way, I love hanging out with you. This is great. Really enjoy your time. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Empathize with them at first.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I know that obviously you got out of a very long relationship. That's, I don't even know what that's like. That must be crazy. I totally get it. But I've rethought about what I said. Don't ask him. Tell him how you feel. You're just expressing how you feel. You're like, I do think we're actually moving a little fast. You ought to admit we're playing a little house. I mean, listen,
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I love hanging out with you. So like, it is hard for me to say no, but like, and I hope you feel the same about me, but like you have some things to figure out because you got all this relationship and I'm not saying I don't want to see you anymore, but I think you need to figure this out, you know? And I think we should just stop doing what we're doing right now.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And I don't think we should hook up anymore. And I don't want to spend the night or vice versa. Like, If you want to take me on a date, ask me out on a date, we can take things super slow. I really like you. And I hope that we continue to hang out on a regular basis. But like, I don't want to sleep with you anymore until we're something.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And if you don't want to be that, if you're not ready, that's also totally okay. But like, I don't want to play girlfriend if you're not going to be my boyfriend. And I don't want to put pressure on you. And I don't think you're ready. Right. And you tell him you don't think he's ready. And then you don't say it if you can't back it up. No, I know.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
If you're going to say I'm not going to sleep with you and then next week hook up with him late at night because you're feeling horny, don't waste your time because you will lose credibility.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
And listen, you just be very chill about it. And just like, listen, again, if he's like, well, this is crazy. It's just like, you're not ready for a relationship. And like people who take vacations together and share hotel rooms are like, that's, I do that with boyfriends. And you say like, listen, this is my fault. I shouldn't have done this.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
I don't know your financial situation, but that's not an issue. Yeah. So if it's not an issue, like, I don't think it should come to this and hopefully people switch rooms, be like, if it's a matter of money, like I I'll get my own room or whatever. I'll, I'll cover that. Cause I don't want to inconvenience you, but like be the independent person. Like that's attractive.
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E885 Ask Nick - The Best Bangsgiving Ever
The more you show him that you don't need him, the more he will want you, the more you pull away and that you do it calmly and you be the, like right now he's dealing with the crazy ex and I'm not, I'm sure she's not crazy. She's just going through it, but you get what I'm saying.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Like, yeah, you're thinking about photos and pictures and things like that. But, like, I think there's a difference between saying, I don't think grandpa should come and grandpa's crazy and her dad being like, hey, listen, let's just talk this through. Like, your wedding's going to be amazing regardless. You know, like, let's just focus on that. A lot of positive affirmation to the bride.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
right but like if you're if grandpa doesn't there you know grandpa's honestly let's he's a little sick right now he's not well in the head and that's just i know that's hard to say but like the same way like grandma can't make it because of her health reasons grandpa can't either and that's sad but it's okay and it's not something you're choosing to do easily or like that you don't you clearly we all want him to come but for the sake of your wedding first and foremost you
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And just peace of mind. I would hate for you to have to enjoy it. And I think you just kind of have to give her permission to uninvite him. Because it almost feels like everyone's saying, I don't want him to come. I don't want him to come. And she has to be the person to save the day. And it's her wedding. Empathize with the bride on, I would want him there too.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
She needs to be given permission to not feel guilty for uninviting her grandpa. And so I would maybe focus more on that because I think we all agree that's the safest way. And like, also grandpa in the pictures. Hey, yeah, it's grandpa in the picture. You know, remember that time where, you know, like him in the picture, if he's in the picture, it will be a memory of having to deal with grandpa.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
I also have not seen the photos of me and my, Natalie's grandparents from our wedding. I've seen a lot of photos from our wedding. I have not seen those. They do exist, but I haven't seen them. Maybe Natalie has. I don't know. They're not at the top of your list. They're not at the top of the list. So yeah, I guess that's my takeaway. If you do invite him, basically add that into the program.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Grandpa loses his shit. It's part of the wedding plan, honestly. And if it doesn't happen, great. But if it does, then it won't ruin the wedding because it's been expected.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But I really think the bride needs to be given permission to not feel guilty about uninviting him. Almost like, you know, it's like, hey, you're not uninviting him. I'm uninviting him. You know, I don't know.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You know, but I think she needs to like, whether it's the pictures kind of reminding her that like there's going to be hundreds of pictures that might not, that won't be the one that you're focused on. Two, if he gets into a picture, because there's no guarantee you invite him and he even makes it to the pictures.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
That if he makes the pictures, it's going to be a reminder of where grandpa was at at this time. Maybe grandpa is better remembered when he wasn't believing in blood sucking aliens.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Anyway, sorry you're dealing with this. It sucks. But yeah, I think we try to give the bride a clean conscious for not having grandpa at the wedding. And if that's not possible, then it's her wedding. She can invite him.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
All right. Thanks for the call. All right. Thanks. All right. Take care. Bye. Bye-bye.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
How is a conspiracy theorist going to ruin your sister's wedding?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
What do you mean your boyfriend doesn't care about your feelings?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
What was the conversation that you were trying to have that he felt like he had multiple times?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
What is it? What does he think he's doing?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
OK, what is I'm almost afraid to ask, but what I can give you some I can give you more background. What's the conspiracy theory? Is there a specifics and conspiracy theory that she's trying to avoid? Like short of a lot of people going to this wedding who have a lot of different opinions about a lot of different things. Like why? Why is grandpa a threat?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You're not going to see him all until August?
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How long have you guys been together and how old is he?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And how'd you get together while he was diving?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
I'm assuming that he just was really hoping to have sex before he left. Right. Like that's.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You, uh, before we started recording you, you had told Justin and I that your, uh, your boyfriend knows you're calling in and is supportive of you doing this and that you made it seem like you both have listened to this program before. Is that, is that accurate? Yeah. What do you think he thinks is going to be said on this call? And what do you think he thinks I'm going to say?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Why was he so unwilling? He's like, is he like available? Like, he's not like underwater right now.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
He really should get on. What's he so afraid of? Oh, you can't text him. You're on airplane mode. Nick says, what are you so afraid of?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
um i mean listen yeah after you text him um i'm glad he's only 26 if you would have said oh he's 35 i'm like jesus um so i'm cutting him a little slack because he's younger right i'm trying to put myself in i you know my very first relationship that's my real relationship
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
you know like as a as a really young man i mean i was i don't know 20 i was in my early teens in my early 20s you know but there were times you know like you said he wants to have sex every day and i'm i'm comfortable with two to three days a week and i understand that was maybe before you started taking your antidepressant medication and changing your mood swings but like i'm here to say two to three times a week for any relationship it's like job well done like that's
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Yeah. And listen, as a 26-year-old healthy young man, you know, his desires of every day, no judgment, totally get it. He's not alone there either. And, you know, it seems like he's physically very attracted to you. So yay for that. But yeah, like every day. Yeah.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
uh granted yours is a you know i'm sure he might say well i don't get to see her that much and we get to you know three months out of the year and blah blah blah blah blah but like you know on on on some levels i understand his plight but like this is the relationship you both chose to be in it has these restrictions compromises do need to be made sure on some level
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But like, hey, you need to give it up four, five, six, seven days a week, you know, to make up for lost. That's just not a realistic solution to like an unavoidable problem. And that unavoidable problem is that you guys get to see each other three to four months out of the year. And pockets, not even like spread out, it sounds like. So that sucks.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And like having sex three times in one day and 10 times in a week, it isn't going to help you in May when you're not in this, you know what I'm saying, right? So like, I guess all I'm saying is I can understand I remember in my first relationship where I felt like there was a disconnect between us in terms of the expectation of how physical we were, right?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And I think she had less of a drive than I had or whatever. Where I have a problem with your boyfriend's response is him acknowledging you want an emotional connection and I want a physical one. Now, in any relationship, hopefully... There are both. We know the limitations of your relationship in general.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Your long distance creates a challenge for your physical relationship because, well, you can't actually physically touch and Be intimate that way. An emotional connection, well, somewhat limited. That's why a lot of people can start long distance relationships because early on, you know nothing about each other. Like when Natalie and I met, she was living in Savannah, Georgia.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
It almost helps you build that emotional connection faster when everyone's excited about the physical aspect, especially if you're both attracted to each other. The distance creates that space, that forced space. And it's like, well, all I have left is to talk.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
communicate and text and maybe you're sending pictures and maybe you're kind of making things steamy that way or whatever but like that that allows people to really get to know each other because they're forced to talk because it's that's how they have and so you are able to in a lot of ways advance an emotional connection long distance even when you don't have a physical one
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
To that end, I'm sure he feels like we already have the emotional connection down because that's the only thing we get to do when I'm not home with you. He probably wants to make up for the lost time. But for him to say that to you implies that he's not that interested in an emotional connection and that the desire for an emotional connection is just one-sided.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And he needs to understand, and this is where I cut him some slack, Quite frankly, as someone who grew up with a lot of sisters and someone who grew up with a great relationship with their mom, my entire adult life, even from when I was 18 and earlier, I always felt like I was a man who paid attention to the considerations of women, who was a gentleman, who understood women's plights.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But he has a lot to learn. And I had a lot to learn. Even though I felt like I probably knew more than my peers or men my age. I don't know if he's comparing himself, but he needs to understand. That statement alone suggests he has a lot to learn.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You thought you felt that way or he felt that way.
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their emotions when this when this topic comes up and i'm why do you think that is I mean, I get he's disappointed about not having sex, but why is he taking it personally? Does he believe? Do you think he believes you?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Has he been drunk before? Does your boyfriend drink whiskey?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
He does? Has he ever experienced whiskey dick?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
No, he's your boyfriend's actions. And the thing he's saying, the way you're describing it suggests that he doesn't believe that it's the medication that's causing your lack of sex drive. You know, whether your boyfriend's experienced whiskey dick or not, but like it's it doesn't take a rocket science scientist.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And I don't think any adult human who has the ability to empathize in general would have a hard time understanding that medication can affect, that medication has side effects. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about a side effects of a medication you're taking. Now, I hope he recognizes that side effects are a thing of medication.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
So that's just like a common sense thing that he needs to get on board with, I would think. But I'm guessing he understands that premise. So the second question is, is like, does he think you need to be on medication to deal with your depression?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
That seems a little more least believable because people do have a hard time empathizing with depression if they don't have to deal with depression because everyone deals with being sad.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
and people who don't deal with depression, I'm guessing, equate sadness to depression, but who have never felt depressed, and then they're like, well, if I'm sad, I just do this and that, and I get myself over it, and I kind of move on, and I just work through it, right? And he is, it sounds like my guess, my guess is he's having a hard time empathizing with your depression.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
I mean, you know, I am surprised he's heard this podcast.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You know, physical touch is clearly his love language. Right. Good for him. And he has a desire. He hasn't, you know, listen to me. Clearly his needs aren't being met. Um, but I hope holding hands and cuddling is, is, uh, at least does something for him. If physical touch, physical touch, isn't just blow jobs. Thank you. As nice as they may be.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Um, but like my opinion, and this is just my opinion as a man, um, who's only dated women, like, Yes, everyone wants to have sex, right? Everyone wants to feel desired by their partner. And it's no one's job to put out in a relationship.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But like, listen, if a relationship that both people have an expectation of physical intimacy, if that's not being met, like, yeah, there's a disconnect and things need to be addressed and handled. But because we're talking about the act of sex and we're talking, you know, and with that comes the act of consent and things like that, both parties need to consent. It's like it gets a little weird.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
When you start demanding your partner like perform, if they don't feel up for it physically.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
That's just my opinion. I hope, you know, I don't know. I feel like it's, I think it's opinion shared by many. An emotional connection is like, is necessary for any real relationship. You can fuck anyone. You know, hookup culture is proving that. Like people are out there just having sex. It's like easy to have sex with a stranger. It is impossible to emotionally connect with one.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And anyone in a relationship where two people claim they want to build on something, you truly need an emotional connection. And every man out there needs to understand that is probably more important to their women partners than it is to them. But it doesn't make it any less important for the relationship.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And to your point, whether it's depression in the short term, whether it's postpartum, whether it's just like you both getting old and your body's changing and shit happened and life happening.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And I promise, you know, you're, you know, he will rule the day 15, you know, if God forbid you guys work through this problem and you're still together 20 years later, and maybe you're just like, you're wanting to get some action. And he's just like, I don't know. I'm a little tired. My deck's a little lazy and I'm not up for it. He'll remember this conversation.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Women, I feel like maintain their sex drive much longer and for, you know, the men, but like, not that, you know, that's not, you know, it just, it'll be different. It won't be every day. He will not. Right. He just, he's even like, I'm just tired. Right. You know, but like, it's just my big prop, but all that jokes aside, it's just like, if your boyfriend truly believes that,
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that it is fair to withhold physical, emotional intimacy and an emotional connection until he gets a physical one, then your relationship's doomed.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And he is incapable of being in a serious relationship, especially a long distance one. And for him to essentially hijack an emotional connection and hold that hostage because he's not getting what he needs, I just forget about who's right or who's wrong. There's no way this relationship's going to flourish.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Yeah, you're just talking in circles, and like... Listen, again, part of it is his disconnect of there's something, even if he says he believes you, his actions say otherwise. Because it shouldn't be like, I get it, he must think you're hot and beautiful and You know, he's doing his diving thing and boy, like, you know, I don't know.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And maybe it sounds, he kind of, I'm guessing his career, his profession is very like, he's working with a lot of rigid, rough men, I'm guessing. Yes. And I'm guessing they're all coming back with their stories about having all this sex with their wives or girlfriends or women or prostitutes. Who got, who knows?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And he comes back to me like, I had sex twice in three months, and my girlfriend hates having sex with me. So I can get where he's coming from. I can, but it definitely doesn't make him right. He can have a reason to feel upset, but it doesn't make him right in the context of this relationship.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And maybe he's not caring about what his friends are thinking or saying, but there's a lot going into why he's acting the way he is.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Sounds dark, yeah. It's a shame. We live in weird times.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Maybe not at 26, you know, I mean, to be clear, his current job, and I don't know how long he plans on doing this and him quite honestly being 26. isn't conducive to develop and grow a long distance relationship. On the flip side, I could argue that maybe he would disagree. You know, I would love to have him here. You could tell me.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Um, but I also wouldn't shock me if a lot of the guys he works with are in committed relationships because the lifestyle in general is challenging and it makes it difficult to like date around, um, Things like that. His job probably makes it hard for him to be a fuckboy, even if he wanted to. And so he probably enjoys the companionship that you offer when he's out there diving.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
It's just that he is expecting, I don't know if there's another word for it, to get laid when he's home. But I would argue, or guess at least, that his desire to be in a relationship is a little selfish because one, I mean, we already know he's, he's, he's like, well, if you're not going to give me this, I'm not going to give you that he's negotiating with you. Right.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And this sounds like some crazy, crazy conspiracy theories, right? Like you mentioned human trafficking, right? I'm sure some conspiracy theorists Let's say we're listening, you know, like, sadly, human trafficking does go on. I don't think it's aliens or people in Hollywood sucking the blood and blah, blah, blah, all that crazy shit. It kind of reminds me of that...
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
That is not the actions of someone who is just like fully committed to being in this relationship. And just like, I love you. I choose you. I hope you choose me and let's promise that we'll always figure it out. We'll always, you know, when we feel disconnected, we'll try to connect. Obviously you two are disconnected.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You're trying, you're at least what you're telling me, your version of the story is that you're trying to find ways to connect with him. And your version of the story is he is just like, no, you know, I'm,
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Well, that's interesting that you say that because like, I, you know, I think power dynamics shift greatly in relationships all the time, you know, and I think subtle ones, right? You know, sometimes I think if people are honest with themselves, even in healthy relationships, usually, hopefully the healthiest of the healthiest of relationships, you both feel like you're on equal footing.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
No one's abandonment issues are being triggered. And you wake up feeling like you're choosing your partner as much as they're choosing you. And there's not a lot of thoughts on that. But even generally healthy relationships don't operate that way. There are moments where my abandonment issues might be triggered for some reason. I don't know. And maybe I'm feeling just generally a little insecure.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And that general insecurity might... reveal itself as, you know, a certain way around Natalie, you know, or I might just like, you know, we're pretty good at communicating at this point where I might just need a little more affection from her. I don't know, you know, and certainly vice versa, right? And so there's a power dynamic shift often in relationships and whoever is feeling more insecure,
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or is being triggered by whatever abandonment issue they have, that other person, whether they know it or not, has more power, right? Your boyfriend wasn't feeling, for whatever reason, your boyfriend, the way you're describing it, towards the end of his stint at home, wasn't feeling insecure. He was just mad. He was angry. He was frustrated.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
He didn't know why his girlfriend didn't want to have sex with him. And he dealt with his feelings through anger, you know? And I'm guessing that some of the things he said, like, well, you know, I knew that before I could touch you and blah, blah, blah. That all sounds like he's angry, right? But now the way you're describing it, now he's gone, right?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Now having the sex with you is less, I mean, he can't even have sex with you. He's not there. So immediately less of a priority for him, right? Even subconsciously. I'm sure he still wants to have sex with you whenever he comes back, but like now it's off the table. It's a concern he really doesn't have to bother with until August, right?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Remember the lady who was on the airplane and she's like, that motherfucker's not real. Yes.
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right and now you're still upset about how he treated you at the tail end of that relationship and you're questioning things you're like i don't know this is crazy i don't know this and now he's hearing you question things and now that his like desire or need to have sex with you is off the table it's less of a priority that anger is going away and it's being replaced with a little more clarity and
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about him being a dick yes and now you're questioning things and now he's just like holy shit i don't last thing like again i don't i don't think he's appreciated what you've brought to him in this relationship while you're not together And I'm willing to guess, and I know very little about this relationship, but I'm willing to guess he doesn't appreciate it, but you do.
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You offer that companionship, that person to reach out to every day, to talk through things. I bet where he works, it can be pretty, does he just generally work with a bunch of like rough men constantly, 24 seven?
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Is he like off into the seas on a rig or whatever? doing crazy shit.
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Having a girlfriend on the outside, I bet is awesome for, you know, for people. It's like, it gives you something to think about.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
that's a crazy thing to say to someone even out of anger. But if he really believes that, why is he dating you?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
I don't doubt that. I believe that. But why he, what his, I very much believe that. I think he doesn't appreciate how much. Yeah, he doesn't appreciate it and I don't think he really believes it. And I don't know, like, if nothing else, his willingness to say some of these things to you at best are just cruel because he's upset and he's trying to hurt your feelings and that's just mean.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
So, but to recap, the really, you know, we're not here to debate conspiracy theories or you can just confirm that everyone in this room doesn't agree with grandpa. But the real concern is that grandpa sounds pretty locked in and pretty, pretty programmed that like you and your sister-in-law and the bride specifically is worried that grandpa could find himself in a conversation with God knows who.
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Or worse, he actually believes it and this is like, then he sounds like a guy who just objectifies women. So...
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And when you say he's trying, has he apologized for some of these mean things he said? I mean, you reviewed them with him. Like literally before this call, you're like, hey, I'm going to talk about X, Y, and Z just to review. I'm just going to bring up some of the things he said to me. And he's like, yeah, that all seems accurate. He's not like alarmed. He's like, wow, I really was a dick.
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I mean, listen, in the heat of the moment, we all can be dicks. Sometimes we say things to the people we love the most, and we don't even realize how cruel it comes across. And sometimes we have to cool down, time has to pass, and then we have to say, I'm sorry, I was an asshole. That's normal. Exactly.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Yeah. I mean, he's your, your, your, your, your boyfriend is not giving you anything to work with. Almost nothing.
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As a young man, as a 26 year old man, I would just say to him, if he was lit, it's just like, I don't want him to be nice to you just to get laid. But hell man, if all he was was just like held your hand and showed a little affection and maybe got you flowers or just like, Or even if he pretended and I don't want him to have to pretend like he probably would have got a little action.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But again, he needs to understand that we all, as human beings, we always need to feel taken care of emotionally. We need to feel loved. We need to feel like our partner isn't gonna abandon us. We need to feel like we can be our most vulnerable selves with our partners.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
That's the joy of being in a real relationship, that when you come home, your most comfortable, your sanctuary, you don't have to put on an act. You can be yourself. Now that doesn't mean be an asshole. Doesn't mean be gross and disgusting and shit with the toilet open. But like, you know what I'm saying? Like you can generally be yourself.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You can show some of your cracks and weaknesses and insecurities with your partner and not worry about and know that they love you, you know? Right.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
from where we were and what, like, it's just, I mean, you need to let go of the honeymoon phase that you were in and how magical it was when you guys got back together because, you know, everyone is their best self and everyone like you, you guys were having sex more, you know, and you were more intimate and you weren't going with what you're going through now, but things have changed as in every relationship, things change.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And at any moment, accuse someone of being a child trafficking alien and cause a dramatic scene. Okay.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Right. And right now your boyfriend is demonstrating behaviors that, that tell you that when things change that don't go his way, he will not compromise or be there for you. He will just be angry and upset and expect you to fix the problem and get back to where things were so he can continue to be happy again. That is the actions that he's demonstrating.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
which is you said that perfectly yes so he's not giving you much to work with now like again like i would want for him to now be like i really shouldn't have talked to you that way i'm really sorry i'm just very frustrated like you know i just sometimes i get insecure about like you know you're attracted to me obviously i'm not going to see you for the next eight months i didn't handle myself the best way i'm you know like you should be getting that right now
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Uh, if you're not getting that, that's concerning. That's like, and you can't teach, you know, I'm cutting him from sack cause he's only 26, but he's not 18 and he should know better.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And I'm going to cut him a little bit more slack because you know, he's certainly like his surroundings are not, I I'm guessing, I'm guessing a lot of his, his workplace conditions aren't promoting culture of like pro women or just like, I don't know. It doesn't have to be pro women, just more like, you know, just like not a,
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You know, locker room talk aside, like hanging out with your boys, but like, I don't, he's just maybe not getting the best role models when it comes to like a healthy relationship or a healthy relationship with women in general, or just an empathetic man towards the plight of like things that women might go through. Fine. That's his choice he's making.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And I don't care if you're on an island with a bunch of like rough men, he has the internet and like no one has the excuse to like isolate themselves and become ignorant if they want to learn and educate themselves. So at best, your boyfriend is talking as if he's a bit ignorant about like how women are in relationships or what their needs are.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And if you're expecting someone to just be a concubine, and have sex with you when you're ready, then that's not what you want. And if that's what he wants, then God bless him. I'm sure he can find it, like you said.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But he's not showing you, but I would just caution you right now. Yes, you have to get through hard times. You know, people can get through devastating times. They can, you know, people have gotten through betrayals and things like that. But like, let's say if someone's betrayed someone, a trust of violation was happened in a relationship.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
People have gotten through that because there's contrition, there's regret, there's, you know, there's the realization that they fucked up. There's the desire to make changes. You know, a lot of people fall short of all those promises and changes and things like that. But
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at least there's that, you know, and that's a starting point of fixing the problem is an acknowledgement that there was a problem. Right. And again, your boyfriend is this kind of acknowledging that you have a problem and that your problem is both of your problems, but he doesn't really see the problem with how he is handling this whole situation. And that's the biggest problem.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And so I guess I would just caution you. It's like you don't get any medals or, you know, like just because it's your first big fight doesn't mean you have like, I mean, you can break up or stay together as long as you want. Right. But like there's no there's no playbook out there that says you get four fights for free.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
It's silly to ever break up before four fights because like everyone has at least 100 fights. Right. That's silly. What are those fights about? You know, what are you talking about? You'd have to figure out, is this a fight over a non-negotiable or is this a fight over like our pet peeves? I would argue that's a fight over a non-negotiable.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
He might think, well, my non-negotiable is like, I want to have a partner who wants to have sex with me. Fair enough. I guess on its face, that makes some sense. Your negotiable is like, I want a partner who shows up for me when I'm not my best self.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
when I'm struggling with mental health problems or like when I just, you know, when I'm, I want my partner to believe me when I tell him my body's going through something.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And like, as a man, he needs to understand if he wants to be in a relationship with a woman, that his body is not the same as your body and that your body might experience a lot different types of emotions and feelings that his body may never feel.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And the feelings that his body feels like, hey, the feeling of wanting to having sex every day, if nothing else, shows the difference in your two bodies. And to expect your two bodies to want the same thing every day is immature and a little ignorant. But he already knows his body wants something different, right?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And he's not going to get very far in any relationship if he can't show up and be empathetic to his partners without having to have to gone through what they've gone through to be empathetic.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
He has to know at a minimum that sometimes, even maybe once a month, that some shit might happen where he needs to maybe be more empathetic, maybe be less demanding, maybe show up for his partner, maybe have a little grace. Because again, the things that you might be feeling in a five-day period or over the course of one month might be something that he's never gone through.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Cramping, back pains, I don't know, fucking bloating. I don't know. I don't have to deal with that every time. And it doesn't sound fun. I don't have to bring out a heating pad like Natalie does every month because she's in excruciating pain because of cramps. you know, but I believe her. Right. And I can understand what it's like to have back pains.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And I can just like ask myself, how should, how can I best show up for my partner here? I, I enjoy being there for my partner. I like, I'm an active service guy. That's my love language. Doesn't sound like it's your boyfriend's, but who knows?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Maybe, maybe I got him wrong, but you got to figure out if you guys really are, you know, you have this love story of being high school sweethearts and dating for as long as you did. And you have this love story of reconnecting and that is fun. And that is nice. And that will get a relationship. a pretty long way.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You know, there's a lot of people out there who are together because they like the story of how they met and there's not much else there, you know, but as I've said in this amazing book called Don't Text Your Ex Happy Birthday, I'm just kidding. It's pretty good.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
No worries. Well, there's a part in that book. There's a whole chapter. There's a lot of things that won't want to apply to you, but there's a part of the book that says your relationship won't care how you met. It doesn't. Your relationship doesn't care. And you're feeling that right now because your relationship is struggling.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And despite you caring how you met, your relationship doesn't because it doesn't make how you met doesn't fix the problem you're feeling now. Right. Because a relationship needs two people to show up every day, right? And your boyfriend is not showing up in ways that you need to show up. And I guess in his version, you're not showing up in a way he needs to get to show up.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But he needs to understand that his expectations are a little unfair and yours are a bare minimum.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
He's afraid the aliens are taking over. And if you think the aliens are taking over, you're going to speak up. You're going to say something. Right now, fear is very popular to sell, sadly. And it's being sold to anyone who's willing to listen, regardless of what side of the aisle you are on.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
If all he did is start every day with like, I'm so lucky that I have you in my life and I love you. And I was thinking about like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I love this. And I love that. The amount of nudes you would send him would probably just be like ridiculous. And like, you didn't even have to be in the mood to send a nude. Fuck. It's so easy.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But like, I wouldn't want to send a nude to a guy being a dick to me. I wouldn't want to send a nude to a guy barking orders.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
There's something going on where he just feels so validated to feel the way he does. I don't know where it's coming from, but that's the best excuse I can come up with because I would hope that he will eventually think these comments and the way he is acting is out of character for him. But you have way too many examples of things he said.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And currently, like the fact that he he's he's not like mortified that he said these things. uh, he comes across by the things he said and how he's acting as someone who like objectifies women, very kind of misogynistic and, and really thinks that your primary and really only role in this relationship is to like service him when he's horny. And like, you know, that's how he's acting.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
That's what he's saying. I don't, you know,
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If he was here, I would hope he would be like, I don't believe that. But it was like, give me something that shows that you don't believe that. The only thing that shows that he doesn't believe that is like, again, I really believe that he doesn't appreciate what he gets from you emotionally and just you being there and just him having someone while he's out doing this crazy job that he's doing.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But it's a disconnect for him. It's got to be, you know, he takes it for granted for sure.
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Everyone in power is trying to convince people who aren't in power that they should be afraid of the other side, which is really sad because... You know, I really believe that your grandfather is a victim in this kind of crazy world that, you know, is spewing these types of just crazy things. That being said, if he's that much of a liability, I don't think he should go.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
I don't know. I don't know. Give him some insight. I would wait for him to listen.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
I don't think you're going to be, I don't think you're, not that I, not that you can't, I wouldn't be able to rearticulate what I heard from someone about a very passionate issue that I give a lot of shits about in a way that would like, you're better off. You can give them the cliff notes. Again, you do whatever you want your relationship.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And honestly, I don't know when this episode is going to come out. It might be a couple of weeks.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Maybe a month. Or less. I would use this to your advantage. I mean, like, listen, I shouldn't really make or break. You know, if he were here and I was like, dude, like, do you really, like, do you think this way? Do you feel this way? Like, are you sorry? Those are the questions I'd ask him. You need to stop acting like this is something you can solve his problem.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
As I see it, you're doing 100% of your half and you're trying to do some of his half.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
you showing up and getting advice you know you're trying to fix this problem because you want to be connected with your boyfriend it's in some ways self-serving you don't want to deal with this but like you described a guy who is familiar that you know there's a lot of guys who wouldn't come on here but he's familiar with the show seems to be a fan of the show seems to respect my opinion you know like and i always try to be pretty fair especially when i get like you know couples on here i don't want to make anyone feel but he still chose not to show up
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
So what I'm saying is like, you got to get away from, this is not like a compromise. I think it's okay for you to feel like you're a hundred percent right.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And I think it's okay for you to be like, um, you know, cause you're in this mindset of fix. You're in this fix it mindset. You're in this caretaker mindset and he is failing you. He's failing the relationship and you're telling yourself that you can deal with this. And that maybe there's a problem, there's a disconnect, and maybe there's something you're doing.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Maybe you're something you're not seeing and yada, yada, yada. And you know what I'm saying? Does that all resonate with you?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
As opposed to you being like, this is fucked up. I'm sorry. You would have the grounds to break up with him immediately the moment he said, like what? After you asked him, there's more to me than just putting out and having sex. And the moment he said like, what you could have broken up with them and, and everyone listening would have been like, took you long enough. Right.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And I'm not saying you should break up with them, but I'm just saying you should know that you have the support of like mankind in this entire audience, that you're not crazy. And that like, you shouldn't be in a relationship with anyone who thinks that way, let alone says it. And we don't even know if he just said it or if he thinks it.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
I mean, if we really think that, you know, and grandpa is like pretty, you know, how old is grandpa?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
I mean, he comes across as a guy who's aware of the power position he's in. And that could change quickly. I mean, it wouldn't shock me. If you ended the relationship, it wouldn't blow my mind. He comes crawling back and begs for you to reconsider and apologize and recommends couples therapy and says, I'll get into therapy. I've seen it all. Maybe he needs a wake-up call. I don't know.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
uh late 70s late 70s and he's like mobile and like he's he's he's like of sound mind i mean minus his conspiracy theories he's like he's not you know like i guess i will like yeah natalie's great you know natalie's grandpa natalie's grandpa i mean he's 90 he's in a wheelchair you know regardless of what he believed in he would have a hard time communicating that so and he doesn't can believe in it but like grandpa is capable of creating a scene if he wanted to i guess is my question
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Maybe so. But if that's the case, that is a characteristic that he has that you're in a relationship with. But this is acting like another level. There's being stubborn and prideful in the moment when you're trying to win an argument or whatever, or maybe that carries over for an entire day or two.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And then there's like, this is a man being stubborn about a topic that you guys have been dealing with for a long period of time now, and he's shown no signs of backing down. And his stubbornness has overcome any desire to empathize with you, to take care of you, to emotionally support you, to validate you, none of that. And that is, you have to acknowledge that as a characteristic of his.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
He is demonstrating his pridefulness more than he is demonstrating his ability to take care of you.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And I think you need to let go of the romanticization of this relationship. You're only 26. It sounds like as a young 26-year-old woman, you've been through a lot and you've had a lot of life. Same like Natalie. Like our offerings were very different. But you still are young, and I wouldn't waste a lot of time on men who do this, you know?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And I understand the romanticization of how you met and yada yada, and you call his mom mom, and it sounds like maybe you didn't have your, you know, and that's extra hard on you because it sounds like you had some conflict with your own family. Who's in the background? Is it him? Like, who's family is it?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
If I were, I mean, honestly, what I really think is going on, and I don't, whether he realizes or not, that like, I think your boyfriend really thinks he's in control of this relationship. You know, he's certainly not insecure about losing you. That's for sure. And that's crazy considering like you've,
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acknowledge that you might choose that but whatever reason he is not afraid to lose you not yet not right now and i think it sounds like you have accepted the role of of the submissive one in the relationship i guess i'm not not like in a sexual way but i just mean like And he's like, yeah, well, then you have my, you know, he's just unafraid of saying anything to you, clearly.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And you're afraid to say anything to him, right? You're so afraid of upsetting him. You're so afraid of rattling his cage because it's already rattled and things are already disconnected. He's not afraid at all. And you, and this is another reason why I don't think you should have sent him the episode or tell him what I said. You need to change that dynamic. You need to not give a fuck.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
If you want to stay in a relationship with this man, you need to change your attitude. Be like, why the fuck am I letting this motherfucker treat me this way? This is bullshit. I don't know what he's going through. I'm going to cut him some slack because what I should do is break up with his ass. I'm not going to break up with his ass.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But what I'm not going to do is I'm not going to put up with any of this bullshit. So I'm just not going to take his calls. I'm not going to be there for him. I'm not going to ask him about his day. I'm going to be cold as fuck. And if he wants to wake up and start acting the way I deserve to be treated, he can start. But until then, I'm just going to slowly let go.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And if he doesn't stop me from letting go, I'm going to leave. But him stopping you from letting go is not what he says. It's what he does. Right.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
That's a fair question. But like, it's not about swapping roles like this is like, do you think I'm only worth having sex? You need to understand if some of the things he said he believes and if he's sorry, does he think that you deserve to be treated that way? Like, I understand the disconnect between like you being depressed and not having a sex drive and the pressures of you not seeing him.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
And I can see that he handled that in a bad way without thinking he's a bad guy. Right. Right. Right. And when he is considerate, don't push back. If your boyfriend is kind, if he reaches out, if he's nice to you, if he gives you that emotional love, you can receive it. Just receive it. Don't reject it.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
You know, that doesn't mean he's out of the clear, you know, because all you know, it's like two days of him being nice. It's just a step in the right direction. But like, don't do it for the tit for tat, but we need to find out what he really believes at first.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Well, I empathize with your fears. But I will say, if you want to be in this relationship, you have to be in this relationship. And if you break up with him today, your heart's going to be broken. And if you decide not to break up with him and he...
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And is there anyone in the family who has his ear?
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decides to start being more affectionate and more consideration, does some of the things that you want him to do, and you receive it, and you start believing in him that things get better, yeah, I don't know, nine months, things could go to the shitter. We can't predict the future.
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And that's no different than you break up with him, you date another guy in a week, and you start dating him, and you believe in him, and then he... Love is risky. You got to take risks. But if you're going to be in this relationship, be your best self. Don't do the tit for tat. He might break your heart. I don't know.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But you're just going to have to risk that if you want to be in this relationship. That being said, you still have to hold him accountable for when he does and says some of this crazy shit that suggests that maybe he is not the person he led himself to believe. And you need to get a clear... If you get off the call You're going to have to wait to listen to it. He told me to say that.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But he also told me to ask you, only being good for sex?
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Yes, that. Do you really believe that?
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And if he says, of course, I don't believe that. If he says, of course, I don't believe that. All of your actions say that are backing up what you said and you still haven't apologized. So even if you apologize, you know, like nothing about what you're saying or doing. I literally reviewed this stuff with you before I got on the call. And you were like, I mean, hey, I appreciate your honesty.
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But like, do you believe this stuff? Because if you believe this stuff, you have your answer. But if he believes like, listen, yeah, I'm frustrated about our sex life. He's allowed to be frustrated. That is totally okay for him to be frustrated about your sex life. And he can say that. And he could say, I'm frustrated about our sex life. I know we're going through some things.
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I clearly have not handled myself the best way. I want to fix that. Obviously, I hope we can figure out our sex life, but I want us to also work on emotional connection. And do you think, I would ask him this, do you think our emotional connection is only possible if our sex life
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as where you think it needs to be that's good i'm gonna write that down that's good um i will ask him that that also yeah i will ask if he says yes then you you i would say then you can say nick thinks we have a big problem Because it's just not true. Right. Like he has emotional needs. You have emotional needs. He is literally in the middle of fucking nowhere.
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There's the only reason why he wants a girlfriend right now is because of his emotional needs. He can look up porn. He can go into port or wherever the fuck. He clearly wants to have a girlfriend. He has emotional needs. So for him to deny you your emotional needs because of sex, like it's, but I was still asking the question before giving the answer to the test.
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And then I would point out his hypocrisy if he gives you the wrong answer.
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What does he think? By the way, what does he think he brings to the relationship? Nine months out of the year, he's not there. Yeah. It's his job, but you know, there's other jobs out there.
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I don't know if that's, I mean, as well. I think some of the other questions are more important. I do think that question will be received in kind of a confrontational way. Yes. I honestly probably wouldn't even ask that question. I mean, if you're in a fight and he throws it in your face, I would be quick to ask him that question. But other than that... It's not productive.
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Um, and he wants to be able to, I don't tell him, I, you know, tell him I said this. It's most men's. It's not most men's strengths.
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I was definitely never good at it. In fact, I would say it was a weakness of mine early in my life. In fact, it was a criticism my father would give me often. I've gotten way better at it. And honestly, I've gotten better at it because it made my life better. You know what? It's very powerful. If you're able to empathize with other people, you can have... Not that I'm saying you do it this way.
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You can have power and control over them. If you can put yourself in other people's shoes and relate to them, people feel seen, people feel heard. They feel connected to you. That's power. You know, he should want to develop the skill of being more empathetic. It will drastically improve his life in every aspect of his life. Empathetic to his boss, empathetic to his coworkers.
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Like just someone who makes other people feel sane and heard. That's how like, honestly, how con artists like get what they want because that's what they did as con people. But I don't think, He should be manipulative or con people.
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Someone's got to take her up as a toy away. What if he just disconnected his internet? I don't know. He lives by himself, right? He's, it's not like he's,
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But like he is answering this question as if he's like some tough man who just like, if you want a guy who like picks flowers and empathizes with you and like, then find another man. It's like, fuck that. Like that's honestly how he's answering that question.
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It's not about femininity or masculinity. It is a human skill that for the people who learn how to develop it, life's just easier. It's better. You understand conflict better. It gives you more peace of mind. You just are able to work with people better. When I'm in conflict with anyone, whether it's work, whether it's emotional, my ability to say, let me put myself in their shoes.
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Let me really put myself in their shoes. Not try to win this fight, but truly try to put myself in their shoes. And again, people really have a hard time understanding the reason why something happens versus the justification. People are so afraid to empathize with people because they're afraid that will justify their actions. And that's not it. Just understand it.
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They are doing this because they're probably feeling this. I don't agree. I don't know why they're feeling this, but if I were feeling that way, regardless of why I was feeling that way, if I were feeling that way, how would I? Oh, well, if I were feeling that way, I would probably be pretty pissed too. It's a mental exercise. It's not hard. You just have to give a shit. It's a math problem.
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It's like chess. And men can relate to math and chess and things. Men are more analytical. It's a puzzle. That's all it is. Empathy is a puzzle. You just have to give a shit. You're not asking him to be an empath. I have no time for other people who walk around being like, I'm an empath and I'm just like, I understand your feeling. How do you know who I am?
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What about Grandma? Have you got to invite Grandpa?
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You haven't, you haven't got to know me at all. It's on energy. That's how people are empathetic. You're empathetic because you ask questions, you pay attention, you try to put yourself in their shoes. The more life you live, the more experiences you have. And the older you, the only shortcoming that both of you have to be empathetic is that you're both only 26.
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And that, like, there's things that maybe you haven't experienced or felt as a result of, like, only being 26. Now, you might be able to empathize more than him because, like, maybe, you know, growing up with drug-addicting parents and having to live in someone else's house and joining the military, like, I bet you had to deal with a lot of shit.
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And you've seen a lot of shit and you've seen hardships in other people and that makes it easier for them to empathize. And I don't know, you know, but like maybe he has dealt with shit and maybe he just hasn't unlocked that skill set, but it is not some sort of like feminine woo woo kind of like vibe.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
It is literally just an exercise of like asking yourself, what would it be like to be in their shoes? And if that, if I felt that way, would I also be mad at this situation? Again, he doesn't have to agree with that person. He can just understand them. And sometimes when you understand someone, it just makes it a lot easier to close the gap of disconnection.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
That's something he definitely... Let him hear it for me. When you're listening, buddy. That one's for you. But yeah, seriously, it's not... Me being better at empathizing with people has made my life easier. And I didn't do it to... seem like a better guy. And I didn't do it because I thought it would look good. Honestly, it just helped my life.
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And I didn't have to get crystals or meet a sage in the mountains. I just had to ask. I just had to give a shit. And I just had to develop a skill.
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Huh? That doesn't make any sense. Yeah.
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It sounds like something I would have said when I was 22 or maybe even 26. I don't know. But so yeah, he's a, he's a, he's a bit of an arrogant, young, confident guy. Who's a little too set in his ways. And he, he, he, he honestly, the thing that humbled me was getting my heart crushed a couple of times. So maybe that's what will humble him.
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And I'm sure you've already thought of this, but I'm just going to ask. His son... My father-in-law. Your father-in-law. Could he go to him and be like, listen, I'm not here to discuss what you believe. That is your beliefs. But my daughter is getting married and we'd love for you guys to be there. But we...
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You need to stop trying to take care of him.
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You have a son to take care of. You have yourself to take care of. And not that you need a man to take care of you, but what's the point of being in a relationship if you're not taken care of? I didn't get in a relationship. I mean, I love taking care of my family, so that's kind of a lie. But like, you know, you need to be taken care of too. And you're not being taken care of.
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And the solution to not being taken care of isn't to take more care of the person not taking care of you. You need to shift your energy to your son and yourself, and he needs to feel that energy shift. And that will be the thing that hopefully wakes him up.
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You can always get back together. And I'm rooting for the guy, and I'm flattered that he thinks I'm going to give you good advice. But he's... This will be the best.
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Again, this is either, this is, you know, he's, he's kind of a dick. He's got, he's kind of a dick. Yeah. He, I mean, again, and maybe he just doesn't empathize his lack of empathy, but he should know that comment would hurt your feelings.
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And he can choose not to empathize, but like no one's going to think he's, you know, yeah, at 26, I guess I didn't care if people thought I was a dick either, but I don't know. He should do it for himself because his life will be a lot easier when he decides to develop that skill.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Well, I really appreciate you listening to all your friends and hopefully things get better. But you're only 26. You have too much going for you on your own. You've gone through too much. You survived too much to be dealing with shit like this. This is a relationship that's pulling you back. It's not bringing you forward. I want you to bring the attitude I want. I want you to go on the phone.
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Honestly, I wouldn't call him right away.
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Don't. I would wait till the end of the day. Be busy. If he's like, are you ignoring me? Like, no, I'm sorry. I'm just busy. You're not ignoring him.
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And then when you get on the phone, I want the energy to be very much like, I'm the man. I'm in charge. I don't really care about the outcome because that's the energy he's giving you.
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He's like, oh, well, if Nick tells you to break up with me, then I guess I have that answer. It's just like, he's so fucking indifferent about what happens. And like, that is a power move. He is doing it. It's a defense mechanism. You need to turn it around. I want you to channel, think about that energy he's giving you. But if it's real, you definitely don't want him to be your boyfriend.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
If it's some sort of act, then he needs to, he needs a taste of his medicine. He needs, you know, right. So I want you to be the, you don't have time for him. You got busy things to do. Like, you know, you can take them or leave them, whatever. Like at the end of the day, you're done having an asshole is a boyfriend. In fact, it would, I can do that. I wouldn't even maybe get to him tomorrow.
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I would just be busy all day. Okay. Be busy. Oh no, I'm totally, no, honestly, like I'm just busy, you know, like Nick, blah, blah, blah. Like he didn't, you know, I'm just, I'm sorry. I'm just busy. I'm still busy. Blah, blah, blah. I'm busy. Let him stew.
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for God's sake, we cannot have, like, we need you to just mind your business for eight hours. Like, is that possible? Like grandpa wouldn't.
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he is so in control of the situation. He needs to, you need to take some of that control away from him. Right.
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All right. Good luck. Keep you posted. I definitely want to, I definitely want to. Yeah.
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Is this like a foster parent situation?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Yeah, I think you got the answer. I mean, he's not giving it. You can't reason with him. He literally tried. And his response was, fuck off. I think you just try to do everything you can to bring grandma. But I don't know. Like, is this man going to, like, call the cops and say, you kidnapped my wife? You know, like, I don't know.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Okay. And you're asking questions mostly about your son, but he has a sister?
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Well, I appreciate you asking. I mean, I definitely don't have a ton, obviously, of experience in dealing with this very specific thing, but I know you know that. I have a few more questions. So I just want to clarify too, like from a behavioral standpoint, he's doing okay. This is really just about like, you're just not sure how to connect with this young man
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
I guess, could you offer any more specificity on the behaviors you are struggling with other than like feeling disconnected? Yeah. And then my second follow-up question to that is, is your husband experiencing a similar disconnection with him or is this more just your challenges?
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Okay. Oh, that's, that's a bummer. Um, is he more, do you know if he's more introverted extroverted or, I mean, it sounds like maybe these kids also maybe dealt with a little bit of trauma.
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As a teenager, how does he getting access to any of these substances?
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Are you guys getting any like professional help like with like family therapists or anything like that?
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It's a tough situation you're in. I don't know how much help I'm going to be. Because as a teenager, I fortunately had a very good upbringing. I didn't have to deal with a lot of trauma and things like that. And I had a healthy relationship with my parents. If I were trying to just generalize young men in general, I don't know what he experienced. But I'll say this.
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It's not surprising to me that the older boy... is having a hard time coping with whatever trauma he had than the younger girl. I think in general, when you're younger, I think it's easier to work through that trauma maybe a little bit more depending on what happened or when it happened.
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And I think young men in general, they struggle expressing themselves and being more vulnerable and emotional and things like that. I think maybe that's where maybe your husband might be able to play a stronger role than you. If I...
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One advice I would try to give to you is try, and I know this is the way you're phrasing it, but I would try to, and I'm not saying you're, you obviously all of your intentions are to help this kid clearly. Right. But like, I think it's less about your, your immediate connection with him and whether you feel connected to him and just trying to like figure out what this kid needs. Right.
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His son, you know, her dad. Yeah. All right. I mean, just out of curiosity, why is the bride still even care, you know, considering this?
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Cause this kid is struggling and, and, and we, you know, like, you know, you're kind of at a loss. Like what, what do I give this kid? I can say that as a young man, um, as close as I was with my mom, I definitely was not connecting with her. I wasn't bonding with her maybe as I did when I was a little boy and things like that.
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I think as a young man, you are more drawn to either independence or other male role models. And so to me, this sounds like a kid who's really Friends, I would love to see him try to figure out making friends, but that might be something he's struggling with right now. It might be easier for him to have some more strong male role models that he looks up to that can be friends to him.
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He's going to need friends his age, for sure, but he might not have that skill set right now to develop those friendships. But we want to nip this in the bud as early as possible so that by the time he gets to adulthood, he's not dealing with these same challenges of making friends. And like, you know, the last thing you want... Shit.
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In 2025, I think, regardless of what this young man has gone through... I do think we're dealing with an epidemic of lonely young men. I think there's too many young men finding porn online, video games, porn, and drugs. And it's just like lack of social skills. I honestly am worried. But I think your husband can probably have a stronger impact than you right now.
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I think, again, I just think it's normal for young men to seek out male role models. Yeah.
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Also, my brother dentist, when I told him I used the Quip 360, was like, oh, wow. And for all you people who are resistant to flossing like myself, they're water flosser, just like sprays and squirts water into your gums and cleans between your teeth. I love it. It's great.
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Outside of video games, what does he like? Does he enjoy sports? What real life things could you introduce to his life?
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Does he mean does he need to work on this at this job right now?
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Gotcha. I want to just reaffirm I am not an expert, so take everything I say with an absolute grain of salt. But when you were talking about him getting a car, I just wonder if a kid going through what he's going through right now, having a driver's license and a car is the best thing for him right now. And I was just like, because that's going to give him more freedom.
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And right now he's someone who's lacking direction. He's lacking friendships. And it's going to give him like a literal vehicle and also a metaphorical vehicle to escape. And I don't know.
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and seek out and my advice honestly the best thing i can offer you right now is i really think that like this sounds like a young man who needs to be surrounded as much as possible we need to figure out what he enjoys right what does he have a passion for you know and he may how most people don't know what their passions are but i think trying to introduce them to new things
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He needs to give a shit about something. He needs to be excited about something. Yeah, he's on the sports team, but he doesn't play. Even if he likes sports, playing sports might not be his thing. It's just going to make him feel less than. We need to find something for this kid that he gets into, that he feels like he's good at. And then we need to develop that passion.
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He just needs to give a shit about something. something that makes him feel a sense of pride, you know? And in the meantime, I would love for him to have some male mentors, role models, you know, like maybe it's your, hopefully your husband is, you know, is able to do that.
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Yeah, that's a sad situation. If the bride were here, I would be like, listen, it's your wedding. Do what you want. And if you want to invite grandpa and grandpa at the risk of grandpa doing his thing, then you just have to make sure that if that happens, it doesn't ruin anything else. Everyone just kind of like, okay, it's happening. No big deal. Everyone knew this was going to happen.
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And like, maybe even your husband and his friends can like, you know, bring them along and show them the ropes about some cool things. He's going to, I hopefully look, look up to older men, right?
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The problem with is when, when young confused teenagers in general, a lot of people in healthy lifestyles are just kind of too busy and too preoccupied and like, and it's the bad people who seek out young confused people like him and they become the bad role models, you know?
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And, and the last thing I want for this kid is to like get his license, get his car and like to meet the wrong guy, you know?
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And well, a car makes sense, though. But right. Because like if nothing else, having his own car sounds cool to probably anyone, certainly a teenager. And that's the first thing from what I've you know, I can barely know. I know very little about the story, but like you gave him a goal. And granted, like he is a teenager. So he played video games, was on TikTok and didn't fulfill that goal.
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But there was a moment. or and there still is a moment now and now he kind of realized his his mistake right and now he's reinvesting in that goal and so he's willing to work a job he doesn't like for to get this car and that to me that shows that like we can channel this kid a little bit you know But we have to find out what his other goals and passions are.
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Right now, his only goal is to get out, to get a car and have freedom to escape. And I would love him to, and we'd have to introduce more things into his life. Who knows what his passions might be? you know, like what's his personality like? Is he analytical? Is he creative?
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Sure. And that way he's a teenager. The challenge is going to be on the side of you and your husband's right. Cause it, you know, you're right. It's, it's, this isn't going to happen overnight. It's going to like, it's going to require, and that's why obviously what you're, you and your husband are doing is very noble. It's very challenging. Being a foster parent is very challenging.
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you know, it's a lot easier to be a parent when your kid, you know, like my daughter River, it's just like, you know, right now she's delightful, but when she grows up, I'm not sure what personality traits she'll have or how difficult she might be in certain areas. But right now we'll be able to be like, we're your parents. You do what we say.
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And we have a little bit of control and like, you're, you're just trying to like have this kid trust you, let alone like trying to like, I'm your parent, you know, and things like that. So you guys really are walking on eggshells. I think you just have to try to be patient as much as you can be. You're going to have to, you have to be resilient. You're going to have to be able to try things out.
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You can't get discouraged around him when, and just be like, Oh God, what do you like? You know, things like that, you know, you're just going to have to keep trying. Something is going to land right in the meantime. I don't know. This is just like, again, my opinion. I don't know if a therapist would agree with me, but like, The kid needs to believe in himself too, right?
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Let's just remove it. Let's not create a scene. Let's move on. What we don't want is the bride to...
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And right now he probably doesn't believe in himself, doesn't believe there's much of a future, but I don't know what trauma he experienced, but maybe he has a very pessimistic view on life. But you need to start, if you preach anything to this kid, it's just like, I would do whatever you can to make him believe in himself.
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I would observe his good qualities, his, you know, what do you think he's good at? Even if it, just gas this kid up. Make him feel good about himself. Be a cheerleader. Don't be obnoxious about it, but really, hey, you know what? You know what I really pointed out? Do you realize how good you are at blank, blank, blank, blank, blank? That was a really nice thing you did. That was really cool.
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He's just not getting that anywhere else. You have to go out of your way for you and your husband to just make this kid believe in himself. And if he can believe in himself, then he can believe in his potential. And once you start believing your potential, then you realize you have something to live for.
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you know well hey let's just invite him because i just want to make sure my grandparents are there and it's really sad and then grandpa does his thing and then everyone acts like i can't believe grandpa did that yeah you know and then the rest of the night is focused on i can't believe grandpa did that like if we're going to invite grandpa we just have to be prepared for it we have to assume it's probably going to happen and we got to hope it doesn't happen if it happens it's just like oh you know it's like almost as if you scheduled in the wettering itinerary
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Right now he doesn't care about his choices because he doesn't really care what happens to him because life's a fucking drag and life's been nothing but misery and I can give you a bunch of reasons why life sucks and I can give you very few reasons why life is awesome. And you and your husband, I honestly, my opinion is it's your job right now. I mean, it's not your job. You're doing a kindness.
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But like, if I were you, I would just try to make this kid just find something every day to make this kid smile, believe in himself, to have some pride in what he does. You know? Yeah. Like that. Pride. you know, feeling good about what he is doing. And then like something to live, you know, believe in the future. Dream, have him dream about things. What do you want to do when you grow up?
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Like dream big too. Does he want to be the president of the United States? Does he want to be an astronaut? Does he want to fly a plane? Ask him about his dreams and make him believe that he has the right to dream big. Because right now he doesn't have a reason to dream big. He keeps his dreams small because most of his dreams, dreams he never even had, things he took for granted,
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like a healthy home, those dreams are ripped away. He's probably very reluctant to have dreams, right? So, you know, you got to start small, but like, it's really just about getting this kid to start believing in life and hope and dream and, and aspire to do anything other than just escape. But you're going to, you will have to be patient because it's going to probably feel like it does now.
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Like it's, it's met with a ton of resistance. And I think you're going to have to not, you're going to have to be willing to accept that resistance and, and, and find the small wins. And it may, it's going to take some time, but you just get to keep hammering.
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You have to, you know, and like you just described for a kid who's very used in temporary situations and things that don't last, this could be an almost subconscious like test of like, I don't know, they're kind now, but like, there'll be dicks in a year. I don't know. They believe in me now, but will they believe in me in two years? I don't know. Like, you know what I'm saying?
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His resistance to your kindness might be like a test in a way, not even a conscious one, but could be a subconscious test. So I really think patience and resiliency and consistency in the part of you and your husband matters. is the most important thing.
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And then what you're consistent and resilient about is making him believe in himself, giving him things to take pride in what he does, to find ways to compliment him. Maybe it's his hair one day, maybe it's his sense of style the other day. Who knows what this kid's interested in? You know, again, it could be fashion. It could be engineering. It could be sports.
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It could be maybe, maybe he sucks at sports, but he's amazing at fantasy sports. You know, I don't know, you know, be open to anything. Honestly, we're just trying to find any win for this kid whatsoever. Something that makes him go, I did that. That was cool.
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You know, that's why they give out gold stars to first graders, you know, because at an early age, they want a kid to feel like I did something. I, I used to give, tell the same story. Every job interview I had, and it was a true story. And because I was in a sales job, they fucking loved it. But it's true. I remember the first thing I won. It was in the first grade. It was a coloring contest.
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And we were supposed to paint glass windows. And being a Catholic kid, my mom was like, you should paint all those little windows. paint glass windows, different colors. And all the kids were just like orange, purple. And we were, I was in the first grade, we're sitting in our little circle on the floor as first graders do.
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And then in walked the results of the coloring contest and they called my name and I was the winner. And that felt so fucking good. Like, honestly, I was like, I like winning. Winning is awesome. I want to replicate this feeling. You know, I feel really... And wouldn't you know it, I got really good at art. And maybe I was always going to be good at art. I don't know.
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But like that belief in myself that I could do something good and I got rewarded for it. And people were like, that was cool. Good job. And I had all, you know, I got accolades and attention and... You know, like that affected me. So to this, I still vividly remember that day. Don't remember much about first grade. Do remember that day. And it's because I won something, you know?
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And so like this kid needs wins. He needs a lot of wins. He needs some small wins. He needs to, and he needs to be able to trust these wins. And he's gonna at first feel like it's insincere. He's gonna feel like you're just saying it to be nice. He's gonna find every way possible not to believe you and your husband, but you're gonna have to keep being resistant,
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after we cut the cake, grandpa's going to lose his shit and then we're going to remove them. And then we're going to do the first dance. You know, you, you almost have to have that mentality. Like if I'm, that's what I would say to the bride, because like, it's almost certainly going to happen.
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You're going to have to stay patient, be consistent, and just hope that over time this kid starts to trust and starts believing in himself and then know that you guys will always show up for him. That's my advice.
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Well, that's why you're asking a third party. I can be nitpicky. I think we don't realize as parents, and that's something, as my daughter gets older, Natalie and I will have to check each other because there will be a time to play good cop and there will be a time to play bad cop. you know, but right now I think this kid needs a lot of good cop.
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And I think the bat he's dealt with so much bad cop that like, let's, let's worry. Let's get this. Let's get this kid to believe in himself first before we start. Like I'm the kid who you need to be like, Hey buddy, you're a little cocky. You know, when this kid starts getting real cocky and start, you know, then, then you'll be able to nitpick. Right. Because that's when you're fine.
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Oh, big picture. I would say, yeah, him overcompensating a small victory as a result of no one giving it paying any attention to this kid.
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And if, and listen, if grandma and grandpa at your wedding matters more to you than a little drama, let's bring them. Fuck it. Who gives a shit, right? This all comes down to a matter of just perspective and like, you know, a bride or a groom, like, you know, we have the term bridezilla, right?
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And yes, I think right now you should just celebrate this fucking kid. I think you should, you know, he, he needs a pick me up. He needs to believe in himself. He needs to feel like this is, you know, every kid has dreams and I don't know how much he's dreamt, but every kid has dreamt about like being hoisted up on his friend's shoulders.
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And, you know, he's watched TV and Nickelodeon, the Disney channel, all these, all the magical moments that are shown in these, it's not a coincidence is because kids fantasize about these things, you know, and he's like, he's never experienced any of these things.
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and he's on the end of the bench and he's not doing it you know and so like here he is with his his mom who maybe you've talked about your sports sports accomplishments and he like maybe that's his trying to connect and here you are i'm not trying to make you feel bad being like you know again there's a time and a place because you're probably trying to fine-tune his like maybe social awkwardness and you're thinking oh he needs friends and so like he that might be obnoxious if he acts this way at school so i'm gonna i'm gonna tweak that right to me that was totally the intent yeah yeah
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And like, you're trying to fine tune someone that's like, right now we're putting the car back together, right? The wheels are off. The engine's not even in the car. We're putting Humpty Dumpty back together again. Once Humpty's back together, then we'll polish them. I just jumped from two analogies to another. But you get what I'm saying. Like, you know, now's not the time for fine tuning.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
We're really trying to bring this kid into like believing in himself to what you need him to want to say no to drugs because it's hurting him. It's hurting his his body and his body is a temple and he's got one body. And the better he takes care of his body, the longer he'll live. But he doesn't give a shit about that right now.
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Because all he cares about is numbing the moment so he doesn't have to worry about all his fears, concerns, and why people don't believe him and no one likes him and why he can't find friends. Why the fuck would he want to stick around for 80 years? So why should he give a shit about his body today? And we need to change that mental, we need to change course.
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And right now we need to love life, celebrate things, wake up, be grateful that he woke up, and just be like, and celebrate his happiness. And I would worry about the nitpicking, for a while and let him be whoever the fuck he wants to be and celebrate him as long as he's a good person and he's kind to other people.
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Yeah. He doesn't have to be cool. He doesn't have to be popular. I mean, yeah, we want him to make friends someday, but maybe making friends in adulthood is way more important than like whatever friends he doesn't have now. And that's where I think he can learn. I think your husband and his buddies to try to include him, bring him along. He might say no, but you always ask.
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Or like, you know, birthdayzilla, like the birthday boy or who like, who's just like, this party sucks and I wanted this and I wanted that. So it all comes down to what the bride and groom are expecting their wedding day to be like, right? What are they focused on?
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Never stop asking to include him. Always ask. Even if he says no every time, you know, he's expecting, you know, so always bring him along sporting events, fishing, whatever it is, you know, if it's not, if it's not adult focused, but when your husband's hanging out with his boys and doing that, that's, he'll learn how to be around.
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He'll make, he'll learn how to make friends by seeing your husband and his buddies interact with each other. That would be the best, you know, he's not going to learn how to make friends by you nitpicking him and telling him how to act.
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Listen, once again, what you and your husband are doing is a noble thing and it's not easy to do, but this kind of is what needs to be done in these situations. You got to try to find the time. And you could be, honestly, you could be saving a life. This kid needs to believe in himself. And this is how he's going to learn, being around good role models.
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So when you do that, you're telling him what he's doing wrong. This kid is probably so tired of negative feedback.
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Just show him what normal is like. He's never seen it.
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Totally. And it's good that you're mindful of that too, because again, this is a challenging thing that you and your husband took on. So it's going to come with stress and it's going to come with feelings of maybe failure. And it's going to come with, you know, like stress also causes you to not be your best self. So like being mindful about that and then being mindful about not...
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
projecting it onto your son and things like that maybe small wins i mean i don't a lot of teenage boys aren't into babysitting things like that but like maybe through parenting your two younger kids like those are opportunities to compliment him and especially when he does something kind or nice again the smallest i would find anything to compliment this kid about anything and i would be very mindful of critiquing him short of him hurting himself i would lay off the critiques
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Are they focused, you know, Natalie and I were just, we were just like, this is our wedding and we're focused on us and our connection and like, we'll see how the party goes. But we really like, We hope for the best, but it ended up being great. But we just really focused on us and anything. I don't even know half the stuff that might have happened. I really wasn't focused on that. Right.
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yeah weed's not great for you as a kid like whatever so i was like you know struggling with knowing he needs that affirmation but then also he comes so in those situations ask more questions well what do you like about it that's really cool that's really first of all it's a very artistic painting you know you can find clever ways of but like what do you like about that like you know immediately like oh there's weed there i mean i get it like i yeah
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You know, it's easier for me to say this, you know, now that I'm in this position, you know, not invested and heard your story, but like in situations like that, just be more curious. That way, at least you're not criticizing. You know, what do you like about this? That's, you know, like, yeah, I loved Scooby-Doo as a kid. What a cool, like, you know, focus on the Scooby-Doo part.
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Forget about the immaturity part. Maybe he wants to be an artist.
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you know right like why what like what is it why does he like that we need to find that out and if it's the weed part I don't know maybe he's testing you and you know like you don't have to pretend as his caregiver and his mom that like you don't think it's good he's smoking weed it's not good for your brain it's not good for him development like I wish I want you to take better care of yourself but like
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Say it like that instead of critiquing them and like, oh, you're dumb. Weed's bad. It's like, I, I just love you and I really want you to, I, I, I think you're capable of so much and weed, you know, like it, it takes things, you know, it helps with anxiety, but it also affects X, you know, do some research, you know, and. But you know what I'm saying?
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It's always from a position of love, not criticism. You know, when you're criticizing, that's bad. You, why did you do that? Don't you know how bad that is for you? That's criticism, you know, care, you know, like I just, what is cool about it? But like, I, you know, I want you to not like, this is dangerous stuff, but, Find those moments of him needing affirmation and focus on that.
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But that is a tricky situation. But, you know, try to thread the needle and then maybe circle back, you know, about the drugs. You know, but...
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
But that I just that was the perspective I came in with other people who get married. You know, they get married and like they care a lot about the party. They want their is everyone having fun and people having fun. Is everything going OK? They hear about something that's not going OK. They're like they start fixing it on their own and they start freaking out. And
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Ironically, you called in with the question, how can I connect more with my son, right? Well, honestly, the solution is to do that. This guy, he doesn't have friends. Be a friend, honestly. Be more of a friend and less of a mom in a weird way. Again, you are his mom, so make sure he's safe, but you're going to almost have to do it in a trick. You're going to have to trick him.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
Make sure he's protected and safe. But right now, he goes to school, he has no friends. He goes to sports, he's sitting on the bench, he has no friends. The kid's just trying to get through the day. Imagine what it'd be like to have no friends. So be his friend. Again, show an interest in what he likes, what he gives a shit about. Same with your husband.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
It's gonna have more impact from your husband. Because most teenage boys seek out male leadership and male role models and things like that. And like interest from your husband will go a ton away. Just like, Hey, hi, what do you do? How'd you do today? Like, what are you into? What do you like? I don't know. Does he, is he like movies?
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Like fuck, give a shit and everything he gives a shit about and, and see where that goes. I think I'll go a long way.
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Oh, I'm glad. I was a little nervous how helpful I could be, but I feel- No, it was really, really, really good. I feel good about, yeah, I feel good about what was said. Please keep us posted. I'd love an update. I mean, I would love to hear how this young man's doing, but yeah, you're doing a great thing.
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The wedding planner's like, no, we got it handled. The bride's always checking in. Is it handled? Is it handled? Is it handled? Like, you know, that person is not focused on their wedding, right? So it really comes down to the bride and groom and what will make their wedding day special. Like, will drama affect their wedding day?
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Will like other people talking about grandpa losing their shit, make her feel embarrassed and, you know, stop her from enjoying her wedding day. And those are all valid and, you know, valid reasons. But she just has to she has to kind of play out the scenarios. And then she has to, like, anticipate what her reaction will be.
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in those scenarios because if she is hoping for the best and that hoping for the best is grandpa doesn't lose his shit but knowing that if the if the best doesn't happen it could ruin everything then you definitely don't want grandpa to come but if hoping for the best is hoping that grandpa doesn't lose his shit but like if he does he does what we'll deal with it and it's not going to affect the wedding it will just be something we have to like take 10 minutes to handle
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you know? Yeah. And yeah. You know, how big is this wedding question? Is it huge?
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Does everyone know that grandpa's a little, I don't think so.
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Maybe they should be. I don't know. Listen, we all have family members that are a little fucking crazy. She's not the first. She won't be the last. This is a fairly extreme example, but we live in divisive times and there will be a lot of people at this wedding that are not of like minds. And that's fine. No one should be discussing anything other than the bride and groom, right?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
So I think he should probably not be invited, but the bride just needs to understand what she is saying yes to if she invites him and just understand what that looks like. And if she does invite him, she needs to consider the possibility the best way
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to avoid an unexpected event at her wedding is to like, I don't know, I don't know if you need to like blast, you know, tell everyone, but like, I don't know, certain people might need to know. I would definitely inform the person doing the ceremony because in those moments, that person's in charge. Let's assume in the middle of the ceremony, grandpa stands up and like goes on his spiel, right?
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Like mother-in-law slash like presider of the wedding could like literally point to someone and like everyone stay, you know, literally, you know, that kind of whole thing that someone does when they're like speaking in front of a room. It would be important for that person to have a heads up about like any situation that could handle. The wedding planner needs to know, right?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
If there's a wedding planner, certain people need to be like on the lookout. Now that is at a cost, right? to certain people who would otherwise want to enjoy the wedding, you know, like father of the bride.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
So are you, how capable are you at handling grandpa?
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
I am not super confrontational, but I think in that moment, I would do my best to get him out of... And if you're asked to do that, it sounds like you're willing to do that at the risk of not being able to electric slide or eat all the hors d'oeuvres.
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E893 Ask Nick - How Do I Connect With My Son?
yeah but i would say i'll do the best i can you know like yeah i think you're fine with me like i'm not super close with them so i don't i can look at it a little bit from like an outsider perspective of i think you're better off you and the family basically giving the bride permission to uninvite grandpa from the perspective of a bride and groom you know
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like wow i don't really know it i like that was like uh like i felt like i was an adult when i became 28 not like you know because of like shit i went through absolutely is there any like what moments in your life in adult life were pivotal for you where you feel like you you maybe learned some tough lessons or that were transformative that really can't maybe you had to go through it shook you up you know for me it was like a relationship couple relations with a couple different girls that are like emotionally just kind of fucked me up and i had to
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you know, learn about like what role I played or, you know, and yeah, at first it's just like, you're a victim of, you know, you know, when you're, when you're, when you're down bad, it's always like, how could this happen to me?
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And I think part of being an adult was the willingness to reflect about like, yeah, I can still be hurt, but I can simultaneously be upset and hurt and feel wrong and still be willing to like look in the mirror and, and figure out what I can learn from this. Like, do you have any moments like that that you felt were kind of pivotal defining moments in adult life?
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congratulations on being one of the winners of traders yeah it was a weird ending but i honestly like that was the best way to end it with people we we were all on the same team at the end of the day so i feel like uh we're we're actually recording this before the actual finale airs so we don't we're not aware of what like public audience like reactions will be i think it'll be mostly universally loved they'll always be the people kind of roll their eyes because they want like drama
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You are in a relationship. Okay. That's real bummer for all your fans. Like, uh,
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A lot of my tattoos. I realized it's like, I don't have a, across a skull bone and I have butterflies and I don't see a puppy dog yeah I see a butterfly it's good it bounces it up I wasn't thinking feminine and I just more got him I'm like oh shit this is who I am that does make sense when did you start getting tattoos probably like 26 27
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Yeah. I mean, I've enjoyed the kind of like you, like reminders or, you know, reminders of family members there. They meet their, their meaningful things. But yeah, like, I mean, I didn't get them until I was 40. Yeah. It was mostly, mostly like just, I was working in corporate America and then I, you know, and then I was like, I felt like I was too old to get them or something.
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And then I met Natalie and she. Kind of gave me permission to lean in. I was like, you're not too old. Yeah, definitely not.
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No. Do you know who Dean Uglert is? That's a great name though. He was on The Bachelorette, one of the more famous contestants. Very attractive man. like yourself, big rock climber, big traveler, also doesn't advocate for daily showers. Here we go.
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they want the drama they want some they want someone to really screw someone over at the end you know totally bob harper said that he's like dylan you made a massive mistake it was like this is a drama show like you needed to cut throats at the end and do you think that like well i guess whether it's you or anyone else of your cast had any one of those people decided to like if we were going to be traitorous would they would have been the individual winner
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I've only skydived once. It was an amazing time. Natalie and I were going to skydive together for my friend Peter's 40th birthday party, but weather did not cooperate. So we ended up not going.
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Dean also. I need Dean's number. You guys have a lot in common.
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The one time we went skydiving, we obviously had like a million questions and, you know, like, what's it feel like if you never skydove before? Like, you feel like it's like a roller coaster and it doesn't feel like that because you're already flying. I don't know how many miles per hour when you jump off the plane. So it doesn't feel like you're falling at all. It just feels like you're flying.
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which is cool but then you like yeah i remember asking them and they were just saying like you know like safer than driving and like the only time you really have skydiving accidents is when you have like the extreme sport guys like doing tricks and testing certain limits but if you kind of play by the rule and pull the chute when you're supposed to pull it like it's a relatively safe uh activity and then i think that's that's what draws me to a lot of these sports is like
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Getting to know you from watching this show, I got the impression that you are, like many people who listen to this show, a huge reality TV fan.
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Is that accurate? I am, yeah. It's fun. First of all, how did you get into reality TV as a fan and what have been some of your favorite shows?
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Oh, oh, yeah. Paige is on Summer House. Yeah, yeah. I'm team Paige. Paige.
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Are you not? I mean, I know Paige, but I know Craig. So, I mean, I'm rooting for them both. They broke up. That's funny. You just took the Switzerland approach. Yeah.
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I don't. I barely watch these shows. With the narrative that's online, I don't agree with I agree with Craig.
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That makes sense. Because I was, I had West's back a little bit in their drama. So I think she's a little.
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I was not. You weren't? No, I definitely was not.
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I mean, I love their scents, but also mostly because it works. If I'm someone, if you haven't known, I'm allergic to deodorants like many of you, the aluminum or all the crap that goes into your typical deodorants. It's crazy what's in those deodorant sticks.
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And every time a Daily Look box shows up at our doorstep, Natalie acts like it's Christmas morning, and it's amazing.
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Do you think that kind of getting back to traders, do you think that helped you? Do you think that benefited you or was it ended up being just a lot of TV that you watched?
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So he did the reverse. He did the reverse. He started to go after those people and then anticipated using the assumed narrative as his protection. Exactly.
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It seems like a great strategy to definitely make your mark on the season and be a focal point, but it has its limits, it feels like.
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It's a strategy that will make waves but not win, almost.
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Do you feel like that benefited you, kind of being this, like, no one really knows who you are, and they kind of find out, like, who you are, and it's kind of like, oh. For sure.
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And pretend to be a faithful. Yes. More importantly.
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I feel like the, a great strategy would be, and there's a big if because it requires you to figure out who the traders are, but if you are clever enough or lucky enough and confident enough to figure out who the trader is, I feel like the best approach would be to befriend them and get close to them. Not let anyone know what you think.
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And let them think that you think there's no way they could be a trader and get some kind of protection without it being any type of actual alliance.
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You guys were like, I like you both. Why are you fighting?
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So you really didn't take offense to either Carolyn or Danielle trying to manipulate you because they both did, right? For sure. They both leaned on your friendship. Carolyn leaned on the fact that people have judged her for the wrong reasons in the past and is a fan of
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survivor you know her plight and yada yada the whole time that's just her trying to you know manipulate you guess like whatever danielle you know we've heard from multiple people and the accusations about her swearing on family members and things like that and you know but like you didn't really you just it's all all fair and yeah game of traitors
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Do you think Danielle has any hard feelings towards Brittany?
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I appreciate your position, but... And I would be a little, I mean, I guess I don't really care, but I'd be a little like not surprised, but like it would seem like a double standard of Danielle's given the fact that she played her game and she played it well to your point and she played it ruthlessly and she played to win.
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So how can she get mad at anyone else, including Brittany, for doing exactly the same? It's just, like, you know, at the end of the day, like, everyone's... Someone crossed her instead of her crossing him.
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You know, she crossed a lot of people, Danielle, and, like, if it's all fair and love and war or whatever, or all fair, like, under the guise of, like, we're playing a game, then it seems weird that she would expect any type of specific loyalty from Brittany.
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Do you think part of it had to do with all the finalists not being gamers? And I feel like last season it was...
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I was happy for him. I mean, listen, he fucked up. We know what he did. Not a good moment for him. And like, you know, sometimes he can be a little stubborn and like a little like, you know, make it give the impression he's not like grasping what people are frustrated at him for. And, you know, yada, yada, yada. But like.
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he has redeeming characteristics you know and like it gets frustrating as some like I got to know him on special forces you got to know him on traitors and you're just like I don't know he's certainly not a perfect person he's full of flaws yeah you know like I can roll my eyes and get frustrated but he's not evil No, you know, he's definitely not a bad person.
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I've met way worse people and way like people I would trust a lot less than Tom Sandoval. Totally.
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Tom's like a really strong, unique drink that like you can appreciate once in a while, but it's, it's definitely not. You're like, you, you can't have it every day. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
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Why did you guys lose? Cause it felt like three teams.
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Yeah, I was pretty impressed in that moment by you. That was great. I probably could have done it, but I would have been a little squirmish.
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And Tom on Special 4, he was like, Tom was the guy who's, you know, if it was a real military situation, he would run into the battle without thinking twice. For sure. He actually passed
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And like, you definitely are going to get some comments about like you kind of being dirty. Yeah.
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the most challenges i'm not surprised i'm not yeah i'm not just it was he where he struggled with the taking the directions and the emotional at the regulation aspect of it but the actual like uh challenges he was an absolute animal i believe it he did have a funny like meme of him running up a hill or something i don't know if you saw that it's a pretty funny run it was like a like an anime character would you do special forces
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And that shit's fun. That's the fun part. It's there. It's survive. It's true. It's the strategy is mental survival and, and, and not quitting and getting no food, no sleep, feeling fatigued, feeling emotionally weaker every minute of every day. And literally being like, if I can get 10 more minutes, it's 10 more minutes. And you get 10 more minutes.
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You're like, all right, well, 10, 10 more minutes. And like, and you do that for three days.
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Oh, one of the most rewarding experiences of my life. And that's why you don't even know how many people watched it. It was certainly not as popular as traders and, you know, like, but just the personal experience, uh, there is very cool.
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And I was very, like, I'm very excited one day if my kids ever give a shit about, like, I hope they never ask or watch me on The Bachelor. And that's one thing I will, I can be proud of. That, like, dad did this, you know, and they can think I'm cool or, you know, something like that.
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Not to diminish, you know, the amount of money that you could have won had you taking it all by yourself. But like, I guess in your place, you're thinking like, I don't know, a hundred grand or like everyone thinking I'm kind of slimy and kind of shady, you know, like I'll, it's like.
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Yeah, I would. Now that you've got a little bit of a taste and a little bit of notoriety, you've this experience of being kind of thrusted into the limelight and getting a little bit of attention and fame. It's been okay.
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What would be a fun role that you saw that you were like, oh, I could do that?
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Are you the type of person who would lean on your brother given the fact that like, listen, he just, he's the top of his game. He's got connections and access or would you stubbornly not want to do that because you want to like prove to yourself that,
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What about marrying your high school sweetheart? Do you think like that? Is that something you're into? Or are you guys just like going to be boyfriend and girlfriend forever? No, that's definitely not. She sent in that question. She knows the answer.
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So you guys have like a, it seems like a healthy, we've known each other forever approach to this relationship. Yeah. Yeah.
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You were, you really were, I mean, at first you were pretty, there was a moment early on where you, I almost was like, I don't know, he's kind of outspoken right now. And he's, he's almost too bright, you know, and he was, and then, and then you, you calm down. Yeah, that's, calm down is maybe the wrong word.
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All right, well, let's put a pause on Trader's Talk. I want to come back to that. But I also like, I'm just really excited to have you on because it's similar to when we had the opportunity to interview Sam. Sam. I listen, I listen to the podcast. It's just like I told him, everyone knows who you are, but no one really knows who you are.
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How many nights did you go to bed seriously thinking, oh, fuck, I don't know if I'm going to survive this?
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It was like really clever. It was smart. So it was very interesting talking to Sam just because I was like, man, this guy is not,
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Do you think they bring her back and make her a traitor?
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What would you think about you being like, did you go in like just wanting to be a faithful? Were you open to being a traitor? I wanted to be a faithful.
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Yeah. You know, if I ever got the opportunity, uh, I would, I think the same thing.
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I, it's, it's really just like, if I have the, if, if I get asked and I have the, like I've been asked before, it didn't work out. Like it wasn't like a ego thing or it wasn't like, Oh, this isn't a show I wouldn't do. It just was like,
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Obviously, everyone knows who your brother is and he's a big deal and he's super famous. Before you went on the show, I was aware of who you were. The other once in a while, it's just like, Zach Efron's brother. Oh, he's tall.
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Was that or just like the show? It's just like, you know, it's like I had to work around some other obligations and it didn't work and blah, blah, blah. But like, it would be a lot of fun. I'm worried that I would have a target on my back.
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The only thing I would have going for me over Wells is that... Also, this is assuming people know who we both are and know our quote-unquote reputations, is that Wells has this good guy... Everyone knows Wells is smart, but he's also this... affable, everyone loves him.
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So even I was thinking when I heard he was casted, he would make a perfect traitor because everyone loves him and he would be this guy. Where me, it's like, yeah, people might think I'm smart, but sometimes people think I'm the bad boy, or you can't trust me, or I was the villain on Bachelor Nation, or I would make the good traitor.
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And my hope, if I got a chance to do it, that that would, because I would prefer to be a faithful too. I don't think I'm a good liar. I mean, I know I did well on Special Forces, but that's not the same as lying every day. And I love the idea of trying to hunt who would be the traitors. And I do think I could be good at that.
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I would try to play dumb as much as I could, but I don't know how long... I would love to see you on the show. I don't know how long I could... How long I'd get away with that.
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You know, like, you know, and so there's this like, this kind of, there's been this fascination with you, like that stem from obviously your brother's notoriety and things like that. And then, but we don't, you know, it's like, it was all this from that point, just a lot of speculation, you know, kind of like similar to Sam.
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Because at that point, you kind of look like you got to stand by your gun. I knew what I was doing at that point.
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What's the best way for someone who would go on that show to try to change the minds of people who are coming for you? What do you think Wells could have done differently now that you can hindsight being 2020 and you can assess his game? Did he make a wrong move or was it just bad luck?
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So that might be the difference between him and I, if I got the opportunity, is that like, I'm kind of, I'd go in being like, I'm first, I'm going to be first. Like, I'm like, someone's going to come for me. There are going to be some housewife has said some shit about, you know, on the fucking show or whatever. And like,
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you know, someone's gonna know of me or know who I am, you know, from the podcast space. And I'm, I'm gonna, you know, and, and so I'd just be kind of ready for that as opposed. And I would like, I think I tried to play the card of like, come on, like it's almost the opposite of Wells where it was like, it's, I'm too obvious.
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It's like you, you knew the person existed, but you didn't really, you never really heard from them, got to know their personality. If you didn't watch your and Zach's documentary, it was this again, just a lot of like, you were just more Zach Efron's brother. But now I feel like there's like you are you're Dylan, you know, and you've you've become like the star of the show.
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But at that point, it's so early. Everyone's just guessing. Totally. It seems like people are not voting for who the traitor is. They're just voting to not be eliminated. Yeah.
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Yeah, I believe some of them, obviously. When Carolyn got eliminated, what did you think of that whole thing? You know, like what she was really going for. Yeah.
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There was a literally look on your face and you're just like.
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And there's a lot of like interest. And I'm excited to get to know you better and find out who Dylan Efron really is.
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I mean, having a chance to meet her for 15 minutes and talk to her, she's hard to read.
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Back to just you, uh, like what, what, what do you think makes you who you are in terms of like, yeah, your, your character, your, you know, you, you do seem like a really grounded down to earth, like, you know, just like nice guy. Right. And like, I think there's a lot of people who could look like you, who has a very famous brother and it's like a recipe for douchebags.
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It really, I mean, it really is like, and you know, you don't seem to be, you know, I mean, I'm sure you've had your moments. We've all done things that we regret and we have had to learn, but like, where, where do you think that comes from?
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Like, why are you great? I don't know. But I was just curious. I mean, yeah, just like what you would attribute that to.
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Getting gifts as an adult almost feels like an obligation. It's like, what do I have to do?
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It's generally the same. Yeah. If you, yeah, I mean, generally speaking, if you like to show love through acts of service, it's also just generally how you like to receive it too.
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Yeah. So not gifts for sure. Acts of service is number one.
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What's your biggest relationship pet peeve or, and then just a pet peeve in general?
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Go get the water. No, it wasn't about the water. I had gotten the water.
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It was the remote. And he didn't want to watch TV. Let's set the stage again. Your beautiful girlfriend's in bed. She wants to watch TV. You've done three rounds of favors for her already. You've set the house down. You've gotten her some water. You've done your... You've done your nightly duties. And then she wants to watch TV and you're like, oh, you're ready for bed. You're tired.
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You're ready to go. And then she's just like, I can't find this remote. I need you to go get the other remote. And you're kind of like, you know what? That sounded like an order and not a request. And you being an acts of service guy, I would think that like the whole point of like being an acts of service guys is feeling like you did something generous as opposed to like your job. Yes.
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And I couldn't help but wonder, like, yeah, so in those parameters, you've never been like, no, I'm not going to do it.
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But what is, do you have a relationship pet peeve?
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I was thinking about this last night, you know, what makes Natalie and I work. For the most part, I would say like 80% of like the shows we like to watch, food we like to eat, places we like to go, it's similar. So like there's not a lot of debates there. And then with differences, like household chores, like I'm allergic to laundry. Natalie's allergic to washing dishes in the sink.
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And so like, I just, I wash, I pretty much wash all the dishes.
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I pretty much clean the kitchen other than like, Natalie will put things in the dishwasher. Even the things that shouldn't go in the dishwasher pisses me off. It's fucking crazy. Like, you don't have to put the pot. I'll wash the pot and pans. Like, don't put my knife in the dishwasher. Like, it's not meant for the dishwasher. Like, I got, this is my knife.
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Natalie just throws everything in the dishwasher. It's just basically, the dishwasher for Natalie is a place to hide pots and pans that she refuses to wash. Sometimes if I'm out of town, there'll be like four pots, like four pans.
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But again, I fucking hate laundry. Washing clothes, not so bad. Folding, I would live out of a dryer. In my single days, it would do a load of laundry, put it in the dryer, and then for the next week, I'm just pulling stuff out of the dryer.
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I fucking hate it. But it so works for us because the things that I hate, she likes, and vice versa.
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Natalie bathes wherever I can clean the kitchen. Yeah, that's good. But we do have our nice... We're in a routine. We never really even had to negotiate that. It just kind of worked. Who vacuums? Not me.
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I mean, other than the kitchen, Natalie cleans the whole house.
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I haven't made a bed since I, since maybe middle school.
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There was no bed. It's crazy. Yeah, there's no bed. Sleeping on rocks. Well, you have a sleeping bag. So making your bed is folding your sleeping bag and putting it in your Birkin.
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No, I've been like, why isn't the bed made? He won't do it, but he loves the maid bed. I've definitely been like, what's going on here? Like, why haven't you done your chores?
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And then you became a production... coordinator yeah yeah uh what was it ready player one yeah the accountant that's kind of cool it was i worked on some cool movies how did you end up started starting doing that or like fan for people who don't know that's like real that's grunt work yeah you're i was a pa i did it all You're getting coffees. You're working shitty hours.
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Yeah, but before I was actually in a healthy relationship, I don't think I ever had a maid bed. That's how I would be, probably. What do you want to leave us with? Anything you didn't get to talk about or say?
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There's no just on YouTube anymore, man. YouTube is one of the most watched platforms in the world.
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So tomorrow, Saturday. This is going to come out on Friday.
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Well, buddy, it's been great getting to know you better. Congratulations on winning Traders with your peers. It's been really fun getting to know you. I hope to see more of you. Maybe you can come back and talk some pop culture and reality TV.
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Or even next year when Traders comes out, you can strategize and talk the show with us when it's on, man.
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Well, thanks for listening, man. We're always flattered. Can you bring Courtney next time? I'm going to have to. We'll have to double date.
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Well, great getting to know you, buddy. Yeah, same. Thanks for listening, guys. We will see you on Monday. Bye.
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You're being, you're just, you're doing tasks for other people. Like that's like, that's like a, like a summer college job. Like in a, in a, in a, in like real fucking like character building work. Like what made you, and shitty pay usually. Yeah.
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How much did you take advantage, if at all, of being Zach's younger brother?
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That was me. I was really good at math. And they're like, this kid doesn't know where commas go. You can't spell either. It was the complete opposite. Sorry.
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Did you get a chance to interact with like Bradley Cooper or any, you know, the accountant with Ben Affleck? Yeah.
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It's kind of like, where do I go from here? Exactly. Yeah.
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Dylan, Welcome to Vile Files, man. It's an honor to be here. I'm a big fan. Oh, we're so excited to have you.
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Oh, wow. Yeah. No, I've, you know, being on set, you definitely learn a lot and things like that. I remember I was on set for something and they brought out like this magazine as a prop. And then there, and someone was like, someone maybe in production was like, you know how much this costs, you know? And it was like hundreds of dollars. And it was like, it was like, it was garbage.
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It was an old magazine, but because like, of all the rules and SAG and yada, yada, like it had to be like a certain prop. And then that, you know, it gets inflated. And yeah, it's a lot of hidden costs in the production of all these movies.