The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 2: Have a Gold Day (feat. Ros Gold-Onwude)
Thu, 15 May 2025
"ACME is CRAZY." It's time for a classic game with "Good or Gold" with Good Follow's Ros Gold-Onwude. She also tells us the truth about New York basketball, her Brooklyn summer, and whether or not Zas is a champion. Also, Chris and Jeremy try to recover from their debacle on last week's Pitch Clock with a better effort this week. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: Who is Ros Gold-Onwude and what is her basketball background?
Hey, what's up? I'm Roz.
You're welcome to call him Bloated Stugatz if you like on first reference.
He's not more bloated than Sugatz. They're equally bloated. No, Sugatz is more bloated. You guys are doing a nostalgia thing, remembering Sugatz from another time. Sugatz is very, very heavy now for his precedent.
We've already started, as you can tell. Greg, your son was telling me not to start, but we've already started. We are introducing Ross Gold on Woo Day to some in our audience, even though Many of you should know she's an Emmy-winning broadcaster and New York Liberty analyst. And if you've been following, good follow in our feed.
Chapter 2: Can broadcasters be considered champions if their teams win?
You should follow, listen, and subscribe on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube because she is covering stuff for Metal Ark Media and DraftKings in a way that's super strong. I really don't know, though, where to start with her because you've got the WNBA season starting tomorrow. She worked for the Warriors, and she knows how New York is feeling right now, too.
We've got to start with her. because Roz won with the Warriors and she won with the Liberty. She is in the Rings Club along with me. My teams win. There you go. Good to have you on the team. Roz, the question is, if you cover a team and you win a championship, that team wins a championship, do you get to call yourself a champion?
I think the players and the coaching staff get to be the champions, but if the organization is classy, has that extra bag, that extra money, they might give you a ring. But I do try to draw the line. I cover a championship team. I work with a championship team. I got rings for all the Warriors championships I was with, and we'll see if I get one for the Liberty.
I don't know what that ruling is, Judge Zaslow, because Zaslow is a two-time award-winning but ring-winning champion with the Miami Heat because he was on the pre-game, post-game show. He got the same ring that all the great broadcasters did.
Yeah, so I don't think Amin presented it very well to you, Roz, because he's saying if you covered a championship— I didn't cover a championship to Miami Heat team. I did not cover them. I was on the broadcast. And so I was given rings. That's why, Roz, I am a two-time, not once. The Heat won two years in a row. I'm a two-time champion broadcaster.
Listen, I like that line in the sand. You work for the organization, which I've done too. So I guess you're part of a championship organization and everyone within it gets to be a champ. No, you're being too nice.
No, she's asking the question.
That should have a question mark.
What do you do with your rings?
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Chapter 3: What makes New York basketball culture unique?
Yeah, this is the thing that's happening, though. Cody's accusing Zazz of having a tinfoil tier, and Zazz is saying, no, I've got the middle tier. Okay, tinfoil is a metal. No, no, no, that's giving middle tier.
Ross, take a look at that. Those are my rings. That's middle, not metal. Middle tier, not metal.
Did you get a certificate of authenticity and an evaluation of price? Because mine came with that.
I have a certificate of authenticity, but I don't have a valuation of price.
I have that. I have the box with the spinner and the lights that show it.
I mean, is your name on the ring? Of course. Yes, of course. You're right. Of course, Roz. Of course.
Yeah, respectfully. Sorry, I didn't mean to insult with that question. But do you have the box? Well, that was. Yep. Who did yours? We had Jacob the jeweler, I believe, at the time.
Maybe Jacob was busy. I don't recall that name. But the name of the jeweler is on the box. Yes. Maybe I'll take a picture when I get home today.
Acme is the name.
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Chapter 4: How has the WNBA evolved from Ros Gold-Onwude's playing days to today?
I have a big heart. They can beat you, though. They can. I don't know.
No, no, no, no, no. I thought that was very nice for all of those nice role players to play outside themselves. Cornette, you know, White's out there shooting a bunch of threes. They're at home. It's exciting. Let's go back. A role player? No, he's a star. He's a star. He's a star. I really, really, really like Derek White. I really like Derek White, and I can go on a –
tangent on why I think he's such an important player to winning. But when they play the Knicks, I got a little, you know, a little cute there. But I thought I was happy for them to have that moment in honor of Jason Tatum in Boston. And now let's go to New York and finish things up and move along. So, yeah.
Roz, we've known each other a long time. I've told you all along that you bury the fact that you, I don't feel like you promote enough that you were a high-level player. You played at Stanford for four years. You're all defensive team and played for Nigeria, the national team. And you are a hooper first and foremost before you broadcast.
But I did want to ask you, you know, as we see the game has grown considerably on the women's side, how do you compare kind of playing against the elite players of your era versus the elite players today?
Well, I think, you know, look, there's a number of players that I played with and against that are still in the league now. So it's not that far off, like, you know, your Nneka Agwumike's, you know, but those are the veteran vets, the Skylar Diggins now, like those are the vets of the league, but they're still the dominant in this league.
I wouldn't say so much from when I played to what's happening now that there's such a difference in the quality of play. I would just say there's such a difference in the investment and eyeballs and attendance and engagement with the league. And I also think that the league on a whole is much more authentic, right? Like everybody's... Instead of trying to present... the nice girls of the WNBA.
Everybody's leaning into who they are. We got villains. We got all types of gender, sexuality. We got all types of like femininity styles. We got different ways to show power and beauty. We got storylines, things that carried over from college to the WNBA. You know, very captivating stars like Of course, Caitlin Clarke is leading the way as far as eyeballs and attention.
Angel Reese also has a captivated audience. And those are young stars that also lived up to the hype, like the basketball product lived up to the hype. And then players who like I'm excited to see more of Asia Wilson. I think Nafisa Collier coming off of Unrivaled in Miami with y'all. might have established herself as the next favorite for best player in the world.
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Chapter 5: What is the 'Good or Gold' game and how does it work?
she's more decorated i think is she more yes she's more decorated you know what's funny they actually have very similar games are y'all familiar enough with asia's game to be able to i know for a fact she's like one of the top players in the league if not the top player in the league and that is certainly not bam multiple multiple time MVP fair but stylistically interestingly enough
They both are two-way players who continue to add offensive to their game. Asia might be, you could depend on Asia more for offensive production, but they both locked down. They're both got good athleticism.
This feels like a gold. This is a gold. Come on. This is a goal. Which one is that again? Wait, Asia's better than Bam? I'll give that a goal. You know what?
I think I'm going to tell everybody right now. You watch Good Follow on the DraftKings Network. She is great. Wednesday, 7 p.m. Eastern, 4 p.m. Pacific. But in order to speed this up a little bit, okay, let's just make it good or gold, no context, okay? Okay. Becky Hammond will ultimately leave the Aces to be head coach of the Spurs. Good or gold? Good. Good. Nafisa Collier.
Also, shout out to Mitch Johnson, Stanford University. We both played on the basketball programs, men's and women's at the same time. Shout out to Mitch Johnson, new head coach of the Spurs.
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Chapter 6: Which WNBA teams and players are favorites for the upcoming season?
Chapter 7: How does Ros Gold-Onwude balance her Brooklyn summer with her analyst role?
fan born and bred it's in my blood but respectfully um coming to new york to cover the new york liberty i leave at the end of the month should hopefully coincide with the knicks being in the eastern conference finals on their way to the finals and i'm gonna be all in the mix of it i cannot wait i cannot wait new york might explode if the knicks like it's just
I'm ready to be in the streets with the people just out there going.
It's sort of hard to explain. I was trying to do it through Hank's area yesterday. It's hard to explain to people what basketball in New York means that makes it different culturally than baseball, than football, than hockey, than any of it.
I got some answers. So New York basketball is culture, right? So like the way I came up in New York basketball, honestly, early on, my concept wasn't like I'm going to the garden to watch a Knicks game. That was something that was so outside of my stratosphere growing up, you know, lower class, poor in Queens.
Ball was, we went to park tournaments at Kenny Anderson in Lefrak City, or we were at Kingdome or Dykeman or, you know, just street tournaments, Rucker Park. And it was holding your own. And at any level, there was so much respect for anyone who could hold their own. Like even at the park across the street from my house at PS206, like Hoops was... Such a big part of the culture.
And we had such huge stars coming out, huge names. New York was the basketball factory. It has fallen off since. But people you followed and you took pride in, in my generation, it was like Sebastian Telfair and things like that. And the women's basketball had some big names too, Epiphany Prince. So... Like that's how much the game is loved at all levels.
Imagine now you're talking about at the pros and New York Knicks is, you know, the bloodline of it. The Nets got there later to Brooklyn and that's exciting as an alternative. But when the Liberty won the championship this summer, After they won, Brooklyn was alive. People were in the streets. Police cars drove by, honked their horns at us.
People were playing music in the streets, like dancing with each other, all sorts of music, everything from Soca to Bad Bunny to hip hop to this and that. And it was so exciting. Like if the Knicks do it, I'm actually afraid for safety. Like, it might be a riot.
Well, it's a good thing they're not going to do it. And your Brooklyn summer is going to be ruined the way that all the Knicks seasons end in heartbreak, obviously.
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Chapter 8: What are the hosts' reflections on hosting and their podcast journey?
Hey!
This is the Don Levitard Show with the Stugatz.
Welcome to The Pitch Clock. Here's The Pitch, a two-part baseball segment combining a nostalgic baseball trivia game and an interview with an expert. This is The Pitch Clock. Hey, fans of the Pitch Clock, there's another voice you're about to hear.
However, brother.
There it is. Yeah. Pitch Clock, we're here. It's another week of our baseball trivia coming at you with Taylor in just a second. We will then get to our baseball expert. But Taylor, it's me against Chris again. Why don't you tell us what our game is today?
Can we just address the elephant in the room first? The worst trivia we're coming off of.
Oh, my God. I'm sorry. We embarrassed ourselves. We embarrassed our families. We embarrassed the name of the good people here at Metal Ark Media. But we want to be honest. We want to be honest with the audience.
Yeah, and transparent. If we're bad, we're going to show you the bad.
Yeah, and that was the bad. Hopefully, this is the good.
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