My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 22: The Girls with the Episode Twenty Two
Wed, 04 Dec 2024
It's time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia!This week, K & G recap Episode 22: The Girls with the Episode Twenty Two, when they discussed murders from the 1500s. Georgia covered the Princes in the Tower and Karen shared the Sawney Bean Legend. Listen for all-new commentary, case updates and much more!Whether you've listened a thousand times or you're new to the show, join the conversation as we look back on our old episodes and discuss the life lessons we’ve learned along the way. Head to social media to share your favorite moments from this episode! Instagram: instagram.com/myfavoritemurder Facebook: facebook.com/myfavoritemurderTikTok: tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murderNow with updated sources and photos: https://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes/rewind-with-karen-georgia-episode-22-the-girls-with-the-episode-twenty-twoMy Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories, and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921.The Exactly Right podcast network provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics, including true crime, comedy, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3UFCn1g. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: What is the premise of Rewind with Karen and Georgia?
This is exactly right. I'm Soledad O'Brien, and on my new true crime podcast, Murder on the Towpath, I'm taking you back to 1964, to the cold case of artist Mary Pinchot Meyer.
She had been shot twice in the head and in the back.
It turns out Mary was connected to a very powerful man.
I pledge you that we shall neither commit nor provoke aggression.
John F. Kennedy. Listen to Murder on the Towpath with Soledad O'Brien on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season 1.
Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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Chapter 2: What historical murders are discussed in this episode?
Hey, Back to the Future.
It's Back to the Future with a lot more. Murder. Yeah, that's the movie you've always wanted. We'll give you some case updates on the stories we covered, maybe a few apologies, and that sense of joy that could only be experienced before the pandemic. Oh, R.I.P. Remember?
Everything. Remember, Joy? No. So today we're revisiting episode 22, which we named the girls with the episode 22. Wow. We were fine. We were great. It came out on Monday, June 27th, 2016. So hop in, Martys. Now we can all be day one listeners. Marty! Okay, let's get into it. We're going to listen to the intro of episode 22.
And just a warning, we do talk about eating disorders, our own eating disorders in this conversation. So please take care.
Welcome, everybody. To My Favorite Murder, the podcast, the highly professional true crime podcast that asks the question, what if two women who were slightly interested in true crime and had a free time on their hands and like to have conversations and make up facts and not do a lot of research had a podcast? We need to start this over.
No, I love it.
Now you do one.
hey everyone this is my favorite murder a podcast where we talk about our favorite murders which is kind of insulting to people who have been murdered but we don't mean it that way we're trying to be fucking cool and interested and like we have so much like empathy right that's our that whole thing was our tagline okay are we are you blowing this should we do another one we're just gonna keep doing this like welcome to what the fuck starring mark maron
Oh, my God. Our listenership just went up so high.
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Chapter 3: Who were the Princes in the Tower?
There's a lot of Latin and there was a lot of calling people a witch and then just slowly murdering them. Like, if they owed you money or you wanted their seat.
Totally. And then there's just so much, like, so much that is lore at that point. Yes. That...
isn't interesting like to me it's like this thing happened in the 1920s like that was so recent yeah and so interesting and and also like he's gonna step all over your computer and ruin your files it's cats this is hot cat action this is what it's like i'm used to it i'm just i really like that i'd be able to put myself in someone's shoes and if the shoes are like made of fucking fox skin and they're like and they haven't invented laces yet and they like
You know, I just don't care. What about old clogs?
Absolutely not. Like, truly wooden. No. Legitimately wooden. That sounds so uncomfortable. Yeah. What if they had nice high arches, like arch support?
They don't. I'm still a peasant.
I'm saying dream clogs. Okay.
No, I would never wear clogs.
I love clogs.
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Chapter 4: What is the Sawney Bean Legend?
I mean, who gives a fuck? Um, I did the Sonny Bean clan. Do you know those people? Which one?
No. I mean, which one were they? Tell me in a story.
Why don't I tell you a story style? Do it. Okay. Lay your head back. Okay. On a cat. Close your eyes on a cat. The Sonny Bean clan is an infamous Scottish family from either the 1400s. Or the 1700s. Let's say the 14th. Why don't we know? Because it's almost like a Scottish urban legend that they have attributed to several different eras.
And it's because they think this one is definitely propaganda. Yeah. that the English government used to make Scottish people look like... Barbarians. Yes. And deviants. But let's talk about it as if it's real first, and then we'll talk about that part later. I love it. So...
If he was real, this story and the details from it are the source of horror films like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Ravenous, The Hills Have Eyes. Really? Yeah, because it's a family of cannibals. And it's a family of cannibals who live in a hidden cave who were a huge incestuous clan that only came out at night. And they were highway robbers.
So people would travel along these roads, along the Scottish countryside that was kind of like along the coast. And they would be trying to go between one city and the other. And the Sawney Bean clan would come out from their cave that was hidden at high tide. So no one knew where they were. And they would go out in the night, hide. A highway traveler would go by on their horse.
And this clan of inbred cannibals would jump out, pull them off their horse, murder them. Right. steal their shit, kill their horse, drag it all back to the cave, which apparently went a mile underground. Sounds like pretty sweet digs. Yes. And they would eat the meat of the people, and then they had big piles of possessions.
So it was almost like a treasure cave, but also filled with horrors and blood and whatnot. So... So the head of it was Alexander Bean, who was born in the 1500s in East Lothian, Scotland, which is a few miles outside of Edinburgh on the east coast of Scotland. And they don't know that much about the details of his life.
They do know... They kept saying that he was the son of a ditch digger and a hedge trimmer or something like that. So basically, his father was... a hardworking, you know, working class man. And they kept saying that he was lazy. Alexander Bean was lazy. He didn't want to do hard work. And so he basically left his family where his only option was to do what his father did.
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Chapter 5: How did the Sawney Bean clan operate?
That'd be an interesting thing to know. The pain factor and the window. Like how quickly do you go into shock if you are on fire? Like immediately. I want to know that.
How long? Let's see if she'll do a private AMA with us and maybe we can like read them in an That's a good idea.
So if you have questions for the licensed mortician and perhaps coroner, I don't, I can't remember. I'm definitely making up the coroner part right now just for fun. Do you know I have an ex-boyfriend who's a, what is it called?
Pathological liar.
Yeah.
Like me. A lot of those. No, he's a, he's a, he picks up dead bodies and brings them to the mortuary. Wow. Yeah. And he was like my shitty, like my broken heart ex-boyfriend. And when I found that out that he did that, I was like, you fucking dick. You bested me. Like the one that got away? Uh, no, I'm like glad he got away, but he like fucked me up when I did it.
And then he had to have like the best. He also like had then living his best, like my best life. I was like, you dick. I want to do that. Whatever. He's gross.
The mortician. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. Um, I'm jealous of him too. Yeah. Well, it's also just interesting because I think there's some people who'd be, who'd never be able to do a job like that.
Like us probably. Yeah.
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Chapter 6: What was the ultimate fate of the Sawney Bean clan?
Right. Yeah. They also said that a lot of the local innkeepers were hanged even though they were innocent because they were always the last people to see those highway travelers alive. Yeah. But then that's another thing where like, well, then they would there would be record of their death and they can't find any of those.
So author Fiona Black writes in her book, The Polar Twins, the monstrous figure of Sonny Bean is written history was probably an English invention. Cannibalism has a long history as a means of political propaganda used by the dominant culture against those they want to colonize.
As an English invention, Sawney may be considered a colonial fiction written to demonstrate the savagery and uncivilized nature of the Scots in contrast to the superior qualities of the English nation.
And also, so whether it's true or not, the one thing as an urban legend, the story of Sawney Bean represents the extremes humans are forced to go to when famine and poverty drive them to commit terrible deeds to survive, which is something that. We all know the British really did do when they were colonizing Scotland and Ireland.
You know, the Irish potato famine was not a famine because the crops failed. The English went in and took all of the crops out of Ireland. So people were starving while boats filled with food were being shipped over to England. They took all the food and intentionally starved Ireland so that they could take over the land. So this is something England did as a practice.
So it also could be the story of like these were people who are forced in these extreme measures. They didn't have anything else to eat. And then the story kind of came out from there.
Fucking colonialism, man. It's not cool. It's super not cool. It's kind of not. Kind of ruined. You've just like gone and pissed on a bunch of fucking continents. Yeah. And like marked your shitty stuff.
So that's the Sonny Bean story. I was kind of bummed when I first heard that it was an urban legend because it's such a good... You know, it's like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. What better scary thing than the long, slow, like people just disappearing off a road. And then the idea that it's in the middle of the night, a family of inbred lunatics are coming to just pull you off your horse and eat you.
It's not even just like one crazy guy. Right. One wild and crazy guy. It's like. It's 50. It's like 50.
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