PJ Vogt

PJ, how have you been?

I've been good.

How have you been?

Yeah, I'm a little better now having listened to your series.

I love it.

Oh, thank you.

Do you recognize that voice?

It is PJ Vogt, host of the podcast Search Engine and friend of Freakonomics Radio.

You may remember hearing him back in 2024 when we published a Search Engine episode called The Fascinatingly Mundane Secrets of the World's Most Exclusive Nightclub about Berghain in Berlin.

That was a great story.

And not too long ago, PJ came to us with another one.

It's a two-part series on driverless cars.

This is a topic that we have touched on many times over the years at Freakonomics Radio, but PJ decided to go deep.

The other day, I had a chance to ask him how he got interested in this.

There's a whole lesson in this, but I'd gotten, and this is not the next sentence you're going to expect me to say, too into bench pressing.

That's not where I thought you were going.

And I injured myself.

I had a hernia and then I had to have a hernia repair.

I see.

So there were like some minor complications.