Khloé
Appearances
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
But why do you think that's so hard for people to understand? Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I know for me when I was younger with my ex-husband, I, I, I was young. I got married at 24. I got divorced. I think it was 29 or 30, but I, you're so young. And so I understand, but now I'm so much better at, I think maybe because I went through that experience that I, for me, I'm so good at that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
But I know like my mom, I always try to tell her, mom, they're not going to change or let, like, let them do their thing and they will change when they're ready. Right. But, and, Not just her, so many people.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
And it is so hard for, I think, so many adults to let them or just to accept like people, I think, and some people are just instinctual fixers and they want to do that, but you can't fix other people. Like if people are broken, they have to fix themselves.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
Are you good doing this? My biggest fear, because I am at this stage, like sort of a helicopter mom, because there's so many scary things out there.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
They don't need you and I. People look at people so differently because that is, it's such a beautiful way to think and to look at somebody through those eyes.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
Yeah, because you're trying and you're fighting for it with all of your might. For sure.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
But you're good at doing that with your own children too.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
Well, this was something starting this podcast was something that I had so much anxiety about because I It's new. It's one thing that I'm on TV. It's one thing that you can be very conversational with someone. It's another thing if I'm on your show and you interview me, but steering a ship is a very different situation. For me, at least, that's how I built it up.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
I am someone who I'm very spiritual. I like to pray, but I'm more conversational. And even today, when I was coming here to see you, I was just like, I was DMing you And I'm so like, you just were with Oprah. She gave you the most insane cosign of anyone's life. Like I literally, my eyes were tearing up of joy for you. I love what you said about being present.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
You said, I have not been present for so many things in my life, but I'm not gonna miss this one or something like that. I'm paraphrasing. And that was such a profound statement.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
Something that you'll probably never even meet.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
And I also read something about children that you and your household should be the one, they should hear no, they should be disappointed within their own home so they know how to process those feelings and do all of that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
You don't want to be yes men to your children always doing what they want and then you put them out in the real world and a stranger tells them no and they don't even know how to respond to that. I think the most, not in such heavy negative ways, but I do think it is our responsibility
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
So being able to be... And around the holidays, it's off the rails.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
Like, at least for me with my, I think my, I know I've had, and I have the most incredible mom and my sister, Courtney and I, like sometimes she'll say memory from childhood and it's very different from my memory, but it was the same situation. I think we sometimes give parents, we give them too much power where we think they're these superheroes. Right.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
When I look back, I'm like, oh, my gosh, if I was 20 something years old with four kids, like I would have lost my mind. Like I have so much empathy for maybe why something was I was responded to in a way that I wouldn't respond to my kids now. But I'm older and I know more this or that. I think I'm sure your children do the same with you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
Does that make sense? Complete sense. And this is not as, this isn't a woes me thing, but my ex-husband, I went through a really, it was a bad divorce. He cheated on me and drugs and all that stuff. But it was, this was in the era of like tabloids were huge. So it was everywhere and it was horrible.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
And then I, my ex, who I have two children with, he cheated on me when I was pregnant, but it was very public, but it wasn't nearly as bad as what I went through emotionally with the pregnancy I had with my daughter. but it, I could handle it. And I'm not sure if I- Can I just say that, how the hell did you handle it?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
Well, the crazy thing is I would draw back to the feelings I had with Lamar or I would. Lamar was my first husband where I would say, OK, like I sort of I knew how to deal with this media scandal. And I was in Cleveland, Ohio. So, like, let me just stay here for a little bit. That's where I gave birth. And I just sort of knew to stay away from the noise, which L.A. has a lot of noise.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
Of course. I remember I was married and my ex-husband died. had a drug addiction and I knew that his addiction always heightened. He was in the NBA and I knew his addiction always heightened when he had his off season because idle time is the devil's playground. Right. And so I remember he was asked to go, I think, to Team USA, if I remember correctly.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
Stayed away from my phone. But I would say the biggest was I had a brand new baby and I definitely isolated. I never left my house for a few months. I was just with her. I built this little cocoon for her and I. And it was the most magical experience I ever. Wasn't denial like about all the noise. I didn't want to pay attention to it. Not in denial. I just don't want to focus on it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
You didn't give power to it. I didn't give power to it. And that's the key. And that is the key. That's the key. But a lot of it's interesting because people who don't and it wasn't intentional. I didn't know. I was just like, you know what? I'm not doing this. And I remember when Tristan had an affair, it was public and I gave birth 48 hours later.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
And people were like, do you want him in the hospital room when you're giving birth? And it was my first baby. And I said, I do. And we're all going to pretend because of course I had to have all my siblings in the room and my mom. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
And I was begging, please, please go to Team USA. And I was pushing. And I remember he just looked at me and said, you can't want it more than I do. And Even though we've done rehabs and this. Because you could fake it. You go to rehab for 45 days just to appease everyone else, get them off my back. But if you're not doing it for you. But I remember when he said, you can't want it more than me.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
He's like, do you want to suit up? Because you can't suit up. And I don't want it. And I remember I was like... It was so profound. It's so silly because I know that. But I wanted it so badly because I wanted to help him and to feel the motivation and feel good. But he just wasn't in that place. And I just was like, I know. I know what I need to do.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
Oh, no. You can, too. this is more than a show it's a window into my world and the stories that make it meaningful welcome to chloe in wonderland number one so honored and thankful that you agreed to do this podcast with me i've seen videos and interviews of you from years and years ago.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And it's a little boundary and you're going, okay. I remember my ex-husband. I'm a drinker. I've never been a drug user or anything, but I have friends that on the weekends, they'll party or whatever, but they go to work on Monday. I remember we were out in Vegas and there would, you know, there might've been a little partying going on with my ex-husband.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
And it took me a long time to get to then I had to file for divorce. But that came after. But that was a very pivotal moment in my life because I remember that statement being the first one that I was like, yeah. I can't want it more than you. I can't want your life more than you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
But why do you think that's so hard for people to understand? Why are we giving the worst to the people that we love the most?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
I was like, huh, That, I never dated someone that even did a little of that. And so I think the most was alcohol and weed. So to have a little bit more, I was like, okay, well, you know, maybe this is just how he blows off steam. In hindsight, I was like, I don't even want to be with someone that does that even just a little. Right. Because it could easily be a slippery slope. Right.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
But you are in love and you're like, it's fine. Yes. But that little thing. And then I remember- it would turn into then like two days in a row. And then, but a lot, I didn't find out for about a year and a half the extent of what was going on. He was really good at concealing it. But looking back, I was like, oh, but there were those Vegas weekends or those little things.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
And that's what I've been doing. And I've been so present in my life. I've been every little thing trying to just understand, not necessarily fix, but try to understand and work through and regain my confidence, my strength and focus on my kids and work. But I've loved the break that I've taken.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
And I feel like it might go a little longer just because I... And I also feel there's so much power in being alone. I feel like so many people can't be alone these days. We live in a world where we either have to be on social media and show off to people or need acceptance and approval from all these things.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
But the power of being alone, but being genuinely happy is something that I've never experienced before until now. And I also... appreciate all those things that I've gone through because it's given me empathy and understanding and all those things that I am excited to teach my kids about.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
I hope you know just how meaningful you taking the time to be here and do this with me and just to accept doing this with me. And I mean, the whole thing, I will...
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
for the rest of my career of anything that I'm doing I will always remember this moment and all that you've done for me and this talk the pep talk everything and I just want to say thank you so much it's meant the world to me oh my gosh well thank you and so if I can ever ever do anything to support you if I can ever do anything to like help you you just say the word and I am there
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
just invert it. Right. I think what's something that's also so aspirational about you and what people don't talk about enough, I think in society is what you just said, you had all these failures. And then at 41, I believe you said was when your life sort of made that switch. So I, I just turned 40 and my thirties were a really tough decade for me.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
And I did either a lot of jobs or I bet on myself in a lot of different ways. And there were things that didn't go the way I wanted them to, a lot more failures than successes. And I took a hit on my confidence, all these things.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
And so the years that you have been this person and yes, there's been growth and evolution, but you've never lost sight of who you are authentically. And that I'm so in love with.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
Now that I'm doing so many new things and My 40th year. And I am so excited and I feel like this resurgence in me. And I felt like my 30s were this time that I sort of needed to really stumble and fall and make these failures and mistakes. Not that I'm not going to make more, but I've learned this resilience and how to pick myself back up.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
I saw one of your podcasts and you had this doctor and I forget his name, but he was saying About manifestation.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
Yes, Dr. Doty. And how you can reprogram that soundtrack in your brain. Yes, yes. But it genuinely does change the rest of your day. And sometimes we just need those pep talks, even to ourselves or writing things down.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
The problem is all the power that you give to other people. Well, I love what you said on in your TED talk about this. You said it's you could have anything you want. And you say it's simple. It's not easy. Yes. Because essentially it is really simple. Yes. No one really wants to go to the gym if they need to lose weight or no one wants to put down.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Change Your Mindset ft. Mel Robbins
They would, you know, if you have a choice between pasta or pizza and broccoli and whatever salmon. Yes.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Hard Truths & Healing ft. Remi Bader
All right, let's be real. Have you ever had a dentist try and have a full-on conversation with you while your mouth is wide open, filled with tools? Like, hey, how was your weekend? Oh, really? That's great. Or maybe you've tried to see a therapist, but the only openings are at 2 p.m. on a Wednesday because, you know, who needs a job? Or how about this one?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Hard Truths & Healing ft. Remi Bader
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Hard Truths & Healing ft. Remi Bader
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Hard Truths & Healing ft. Remi Bader
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Hard Truths & Healing ft. Remi Bader
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
They're stunning. I have the rainbow collection, but the highballs. Rich. Rich, rich. Aren't you guys?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I think it's referral. I need energy. Like I actually have to meet someone and like I can say if that's like a vibe or something I click with, but... I could never. Akilah says, that's our sister. She says that I should go let someone like match make me. She's like, that's what she says. I don't know. There's so many services out there.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
She's like, there are so many like high profile people that like don't have time to go on 30 dates a month and whatever. So they, yeah. No, because a lot of men don't sit at home and cook dinner for themselves. They go to dinner with women every night. And that's how they vet and whatever. They don't care about paying for the bill. It doesn't matter. They have dinner and energy.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Possibly. Because if someone was just dedicated to finding someone that's for me, then it would kind of cut out a bit of the riffraff.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Old her pops right out. Can I speak for you for a second? Remember how Khadijah would just like walk up to anyone? Oh, yeah. No, she's bold and brave. I watched her and I literally was like, oh.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
wow I haven't seen this in so long the way she just like pointed at him and he was like and he was she was like and she's like and he walked his ass over I was like wow like I could never do it but you've never been that person I'm so yeah I barely speak to people that speak to me I was shocked
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I had a really good double take in New York and I just regret it. Why?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Because he's married now and I can't stand his wife.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
is he a brother does he have brothers he has brothers he has brothers okay yeah and i do he's one when i see him you're still thinking about this person this is years ago and mind you i saw him at someone's birthday party and across the room and i told khadijah and i was like oh this is crazy god i failed that one and then she was like and you made this the person you made out with Yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
And then someone tapped me on my shoulder. I turned around and it was him. And he was like, hey. And I was like, oh, God. He's gorgeous. He's I just I think he's amazing. And then he was like, oh, my God, you had a baby. And I was like, when was this?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
This was like probably two years ago.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Like, I think it was love at first sight.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Now you remember? You just didn't remember at all. Because now I know. Now I know who you're talking about.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I'm good. I mean, there's a couple ways that we'll never know each other, and I'm okay with that. I'm great with that. I'm very okay with that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
But it's a good life, quite honestly.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
She's like, if you're dating and you want to act like you're dating, ma'am, I'm telling you, he's wasting his time. And I was mortified that my mom said this in front of my friends. No, but I loved her for that kind of honesty and rawness. I remember, like, after Andre, she's like, I know you're sad. I know it's difficult. life goes on. Live I promise you you'll do better than him in life.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
No, we were club rats. Let's be real. We were club rats in the clubs before we were allowed. What clubs are there these days? I mean, the clubs exist, but who wants to go? They're not even the same. Remember when we were in Miami for Kim's Skims launch? Khadija, the entire club, everybody had their phones out. And they're recording the whole thing. And they're recording the whole time.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I mean, she when I say she just kept it real. She's like, I respect your feelings. Yeah, get up off of that thing. And there's so much more life to live. And you'll see.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Well, here's the thing. I take a lot of pages out of your mother's book. But one of the main ones is like, put this by your mouth.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
One other thing, one of the main things I take out of her book is your mother transitions very well from being a mother to children to being a mother to adults. She's not like, I'm trying to stop you from growing up, I'm trying to, she's like, no, this is where you are, I'm gonna guide you, engage you. so that you make better decisions in this. Okay, you didn't make a great decision.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I'm gonna make this decision a better decision. That is something I've always picked up from her. So I kind of like looked to her for that kind of stuff in my teens. I was like, God, this woman is smart. This woman has a lot of daughters. This woman really loves her family. She doesn't like, she's not judging me because I had a boyfriend and she knew I was having sex and I'm young.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
She's like, oh, you were great. So how was he to you?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
oh he wasn't yeah we don't accept that like she always kind of like coached us up and made us feel better about where we were and what we were doing that's like putting a battery in a young person's back and telling them they can be better than what they've been like to me that should be like applauded i never was like a cringe moment i know because she's your mom when you're young you kind of feel like you cringe about your mom till this day and i'm like i i know but my mom is such a saint
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
She's like, you go to my mom when you want prayer, when you want like full advice. I'm like, mom, I hate him. She's like, you don't use those words. No, I can't. If I want to go off, I can't go to my mom for that. Like I still do. And she accepts it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
they were so strict they were like we're like can we go to the Nell shop it's been a week they were like Beverly Chris nope like if you're not in my house and you're not in her house you cannot go but also your dad was very influential in that as well he protected us a lot he's like are the kids going to school no one's going to school we're bunkering down like no one's doing anything like and she was exactly like the pillar of strength no shocker
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
No, I, oh my God. I love stories of my dad. I remember calling your dad's house when you live with your dad too late, just thinking you would answer it on the first ring and your dad would answer. I just hang up on him. And then Robert be like, when I get to the house, he'd be like, you called last night. I did. I'm sorry. I thought Chloe would have answered.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
It was a thing, right? Like being a klepto was like a thing. You know what it was? It was fun for Chloe to see if she could get away with it. With certain things. Because your personality was like a little more like... You always wanted a rise because you're a spark plug. Nothing's, I mean, you've changed a little now, but at the time. I want to be a spark plug again. I want to be a firework.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I'm like, you guys have fun like this? We were like... standing on tables. We never paid attention to anybody but ourselves.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
We did. But we were under 21. But none of us were of age.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
We're going to tell you exactly what happened.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Tell us what exactly happened. We bedazzled everything. But this is why we even had time to do this. The three of us.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
She's like, don't worry. I'm just going to walk out with that. Ugh.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
but we had all this time on our hands because the three of us were in home studies all of us were basically done with our high school education before our senior year so we had so much ample time to do like whatever stay in school but one day your dad walks in the house and he's like you know every day i come home you guys are just like sitting here like what are you gonna do with your lives it's your you know your senior years are coming you gotta figure out what you're gonna do like you can't just waste your time in your life and i was like
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
oh, that's what it's like to have a dad. That's so cool. And then I was like, damn it, Chloe, answer, say something. And he's like, fine. And then Chloe's like, no, dad, we want to start a business. Then we come up with this stupid alcohol business and we're not of age. And then we're like, fine, we're going to like jewel clothing. Then she starts stealing.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
We just thought we didn't know what we were doing.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I was smart. Yeah. She was like, our profit margin is like a hundred. We didn't. Yeah. I didn't pay for any of this.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I go, oh, like the baseball player that I made you come with me to Newport to visit. And Chloe's like, hey, just so you know. Talking to the microphone, Malika. Sorry, Chloe's like, just so you know, I just walked to the bathroom and across from the bathroom is like
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Of family photos and a woman and this and that. And I go, what? Men ain't shit. And she goes, like, literally, I'm like, Chloe, I'm going to go on a date with this guy. And she's like, oh, okay. And I'm like.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Yes. And she's going, just go on a date. Have fun. She's not scared. I'm scared. So she's like, I'm like, well, will you come with me? Yeah. So I tell him, I'm like, I'll come to Newport. But my best friend's coming with me. He's like, oh, okay.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Since when would I know? I remember we all left. I think everybody has to take their kind of like.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
They know what they're doing. That's why they pick younger girls.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
It was the best experience. Okay. Because I got to be with my best friend every day. And you had to pay me for it. Right? That's amazing. No, but honestly, after Khadijah and I ended... I mean, it wasn't like an intentional end. It's a choice of words. Here's the thing. Sorry. But she moved on to progress her family and get married, moving out of the state. And I was like, okay, I have to have...
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
a job. And that's when I started working at Dash with you. I was like, hey, what's going on? Do you guys need anyone to work at Dash? And you're like, yeah, it's just me and my sisters, but you can come work with us. So I was like, perfect. And I was like, I went from one security blanket to another security blanket. So working at Dash was fun, girls, clothes.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
But I was like, as you guys started filming the show and you weren't in the store with me as much, my desire to work in the store kind of left me. And you could tell. You were like, Malika, you don't really want to be here, do you? And I was like, no, I mean, I do. I loved it more when you were here, but I need a job. I don't know what's going to happen with my acting career, whatever.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
And you're like, well, why don't you just like come work with me? You can be with me. And that's how I became your assistant. I was like, oh my God, I want to be with you. I don't want to stay here if you're not here all the time. How were we as boss and assistant? I think we were great. I think that...
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
You were so busy that it was nice if I could have coffee with you in the morning, even if I had to bring it. It's still kind of like... No, it's the truth. It's still like... It was... You put it by yourself.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
i don't give a damn i kind of just felt like i forged your sugar if i had to bring that creamer and you're like that's not enough creamer i said all right baby you want more creamer you're gonna get more creamer i just i felt like it was a i was so happy to see you progress in an area that i didn't even think i knew for a fact that you didn't think you were going to
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
She's like, we're going to film this season of this show. And like, I don't know if we're ever going to do it again. You're the one family member that didn't want to do it. Court and I hated it. Yeah. And I was like, and your mom was like, hey, these cameras are going to walk in, sign this thing right here. And I was like, oh, OK. Signed in, moving right along. Well, here's the thing.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
That's what you do with your friends. You support whatever they're doing. Whatever I did, you supported. So it wasn't a question in my mind. Although it was very unchartered territory for all of us, I still wanted to be with you. I was like, either I'm going to be with her, I'm going to be with you. And that's how it ended up working out, which is like a blessing.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
How many people get to say that they can work successfully with their best friend? When did you and Rob start hooking up? Wow. It started off as a joke. It started off as a joke to see if it would like ruffle your feathers. This is once you and Lamar were married and Robert was living in your home and I'm there every day. Let's call Rob and see. Oh, Jesus. Hey, Bobby.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
We watched. And we are the ones that survived. I have to go. We used to be in the nightclub every night. There was like Jodeci on one side, Jamie Foxx. We used to be blackout drunk. We were out in the streets. No, we were club rats. Yes. Let's be real. We were club rats in the clubs. It was a different time.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
So we met in 1999, but we got like, that was like, okay, so I think that was right before New Year's though. Because we started hanging out in 2000. Yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I said at first we were like messing with you. Just a mess. It was a joke at first. She said it was a joke.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
No, no, no, no. Robert, Robert, don't let your sister stir you. I was going to go. I love him. You know, he's not serious. It definitely wasn't a joke. No, it wasn't a joke for me either. I just met like initially when we were like filming the show and like, I still love you. I will always love you. Rather romantically or not. He said, I'm just kidding. You're a clown, Rob.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
See, you don't take me seriously.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
We're two Pisces. Yeah, it was a great passionate connection.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
No, bro. No, I don't even know why you asked. You asked.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
We're coming to see you. I love you guys. Love you too, baby. We love you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I haven't tickled any pickles, guys.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
You would die. You would die. You died back then. You would die now. Because you went behind my back and were f***ing my brother. It wasn't behind your back. It wasn't behind your back. Was I supposed to say, hey, Khloe, Just an announcement. Yes. Yeah. You were. I wasn't a plan. If I was f***ing Jamal, would you be like, that's okay?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
So it was admittance? I know. It's because I stumbled upon. She wasn't around actually when it happened. She was on a road trip with her current husband.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Well, yeah, I have to. These are too small for me. Are these mine?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I think it's just Malika. It's just Malika. At Malika...
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I don't like her. I don't like her. In case you wanted to know.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
The fact that she's so into my feet right now.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I love you more. Are we going to eat pasta?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
yes and i remember andre lived like two blocks away from my house so we were there all the time and kadisha and i were together all the time no she fell in love and then we fell in love and then it's like the rest is history yes then you guys became um what did what did i used to call you guys i think it was bumper buddies the way you oh when you guys used to like yeah they both drove tahos and they used to play bumper cars on the real road with their tahos they would
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
You have to understand, being a passenger in either one of your vehicles while you guys are playing bumper cars with your trucks is crazy. I remember the first time I smoked weed was because Khadijah was like, just try this.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
It started off as a joke to see if it would like ruffle your feathers.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Because even if I don't care about the person, I'm like, oh, no, no, I know who that is in your life. I keep like a mental Rolodex.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
It's selective. It's the same as the pictures you send me like, hey, I'm deleting this from my phone. Just keep it in yours. No, it's wild. Same thing. This is true.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
You have to have that. This is grave. This is what we say. You have to have.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I swear we had this conversation. She's like, God, why do I know this guy? I've seen him on a show or blah, blah, blah. She's like, no, you hooked up with him. I said, you really don't remember him? She's like, no, I don't. She's like, but he looks really familiar. Did we like hang out with him? I said, Chloe, I used to pick you up from his house. She's like, what? I'm like, yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
What? I have one specifically that I'll probably have to see forever. But it's not even that. No, it's not even a great.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
No, I'm just saying I see so many. No, I see men that I like dated and hung out with. We all have. Say in my 20s, right? Like I can't avoid them. Sports center. Whatever, wherever it is, I'm like, I'll never not see this person ever again. But it's just funny. That's how I get my flashbacks. I'm like, oh, my God. A SportsCenter flashback? Yeah, like retired athletes.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I did. For all intents and purposes, if you were outside dating... They're going to do a 30 on 30 on you. I know. I don't think it's 30, but I must have had a good top five.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
You had 30 on 30. I'm like, Jesus, Chloe.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
First of all, a body count is not for me to call out.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Don't count right now. No, no, no. I definitely had like a good four.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I mean, couldn't obtain that all at one time.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
You had a USA team. Isn't that crazy? Look at me from 20 to 40 and now look at me. one of my top questions were people want to know what like partying was like back in the day for us for us yeah so let's just start with the fact that we were in 21 and over clubs well before we were 21 Didn't matter. We didn't even have to have fake IDs.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Wait, at one point, I think you used to take Courtney's, though, when she got back from college.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
paying attention they just you had to show something that was crazy but i'm gonna tell you i had a conversation with a guy that a friend of mine that used to own nightclubs back in the 2000s no but he was snatch was one of the days yes that was monday nights at snatch that was what was his name who's his name who the club promoter yes you know his name yeah monday nights whatever i can't think at the moment but forgive me
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
No, anyway, someone that was in competition with him because he had the nightclub or whatever. We were talking about it. I was like, are you kidding me? We used to be in the nightclub every Monday night. There was like Jodeci on one side, Jamie Foxx, whatever hot basketball player. There was no...
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Gosh, I'm missing all the fun. I don't know if anyone knows this, but I didn't care. I was like, I know who Lamar Odom is, like, clearly. But I felt like he was trying to kidnap Khloe. And you know how protective I am. I was just like, he's a nice guy, but, like, you cannot take my friend with you. Yeah. Like, I'm sorry. And Rob's like... He's a Laker. And I'm like, I don't care.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
Yeah, he's like, we have to go to this.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I'm running to that house. I'll be right back.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
That was fun, though. Because a lot of people can't say that they did that. No. Wherever you went.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
You guys, I think it's coming back. Okay. I have to believe. No. If you really think you're settling in like, you know, we're not old women. She has a point. No, no.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Best Friends Tell All ft. Malika and Khadijah
I mean, I think really through other people. We're not like app people. We're not gonna go on a dating site or something like that. But I think we have to live more of like a private life like Kendall and Kylie. They have so much fun. And nobody knows.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
You and I were just chatting on the side and I was saying how I'm so excited for this conversation because I really believe it's gonna help so many people. channel their own grief in whatever capacity they have it in. And I don't think grief is spoken about as much.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Well, and it's interesting because obviously I would love more than anything to have my father still here with me. But now that I'm older, there's so many life lessons that I've learned to navigate my life now 10 years ago. A friend of mine, she passed away this past Halloween and left behind a 13-year-old daughter. And the daughter, when her mom was dying,
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
still wanted to go out and celebrate Halloween. And I remember saying to all of our friends, I did the same thing. And I don't think I shed a tear until his funeral, because it wasn't real to me. I just remember I was avoiding, avoiding, and then the funeral, I was like, okay. Now this is my reality and I processed it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
But it's so interesting, things that I would probably be so judgmental on if I didn't have the experience of losing my father. I have so much empathy and understanding for when other people are on their journey. And as horrible as it is, but there's so many different elements of who I am today that I wouldn't be if my dad was here because he would be that person that we would always lean on.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Like there's so much... I don't want to say good that came out of him passing because that's not the right thing to say but with such grief you can find these glimmers of greatness that does come or like I forever have this guardian angel that I know things are working out because he's up there
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
I think people feel a lot of shame in grieving or the timeline of what they feel like they need to meet this grieving expectations by. I'm not for any of that. And I know you're not either. But I just wanted to first dive into how you came to the position that you're in helping millions of people process grief and what what occurrence has happened in your life that brought you to this stage.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
with those thoughts no I can completely and I think what's so interesting is how you said it comes in phases because we couldn't handle it if it was all knocked us off of our feet in one wave and you're so right about that and I think we should almost thank the phases and encourage that as opposed to yes absolutely because it's it is you get just so flooded with so many emotions
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
I'm totally at peace with his death. I will say for about, I always say like for about three years, I was incredibly angry. And I was filming my show, Keeping Up with the Kardashians. And on season one, I remember one of my producers was making me do an interview about my dad because I wouldn't talk about my dad. Because at that time, if I spoke about him, I would just break down.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
And I was so annoyed at this producer. I was like, why are they making me sit in this dark room and talk about something I don't want to talk about? And it was honestly how we said at the beginning of this conversation, we're so happy that because people do need to talk about this more. It was as if a house got lifted off of me after that conversation.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
And I was kicking and screaming while doing it. But as soon as I had that conversation, that was the last time
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
that i cried when talking about my dad like in a bad way i let go of all of this guilt and anger and now i could talk about my dad with smiles and happiness and admiration and understanding even the understanding of because i used to be so angry why wouldn't you tell us that this was terminal
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
But I could understand how hard, now that I have kids too, how hard that would have to be to admit to yourself, I'm not going to be here for my children. But maybe he also... he's Superman, right? Like maybe he thought it wouldn't be terminal and that he could fight that. There's a lot of- Right.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Where do you think you get your optimism from? Because all the events that you said to me right now, that would make me so angry at all of those individuals.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
But like you said, not to be confused with, what'd you say, denial?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
And not that I feel like you need to do that. I just... Because if you're not feeling that that's in you to do, then don't force yourself to do it. Just the same thing. If you're still grieving, don't force yourself to have an end date because somebody else... And there is no end date.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Yeah, I believe that for sure. Do you ever feel him? Yes, I feel him a lot. My sister Kim will dream about him. I don't necessarily dream of him, which sometimes I get jealous about. And I'm like, well, why does she get to see him in the dreams and I don't? But then I try to, you know, be happy for her. And I'm like, okay, it's fine. Because I feel him in ways that she doesn't.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
I think we all, me and all my siblings, we do in different ways.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
And my little sisters who that's not their biological, that's not their dad. They have signs because they were really close to him and they feel him or he'll come to them. And I think it's such a beautiful thing. Some people get scared or sad and I, I look for it. I love that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
I have no fear of dying at all because I know where I'm going. I know who I'm going to see. I have such faith and confidence in that. I don't want to leave my children, but I'm not afraid of when it is my time to go. I just hope it's in a very long time. Are you someone that has a fear of death?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Have you ever been around someone who has passed and then came back to life, like had a near-death experience?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
I read a bunch of books about near-death experiences. I don't know why I'm a little morbid and find that just so fascinating to me. And most of the time, when they are now back and living again, they feel this emptiness, not that they want to die, but of just what they saw was so peaceful and beautiful, and they did see familiar faces or energy feelings. It's like reassuring. It's calming for me.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
What is your release through times like that? Because you've seen so many people die before you. So when does it not, I'm sure at a certain point, it just becomes a norm for you seeing that or does it ever?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
And I think that's so important to change the what if to even if, because so many people beat themselves up for years, decades over. But if I only was there five minutes sooner, you know, what's meant to be is going to be.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
my mom lost her sister a year ago right and she has taken that death of course but so so hard and but she's so what if what if i i should have done this or i should have done this better and she seems to not be that type of person she seems like let's just grieve but not to really question some because she's so methodical she plans everything methodical in a great way everything's organized and planned so
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
The fact that she's going back and retracing her steps and wishing she did things differently. It's always so interesting to me because in my eyes, she's done everything that she possibly can.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
You're right. Cause I've definitely never let her do that. Not that I've been mean. I've always been like, but you've done, you did everything. I just try to remind her how much she did do, but I've never said, you tell me about it. What would you have done differently?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Right. Yes. Basically having them arrive at the conclusion on their own.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Right. Why don't we talk a little bit about the grief of non-death losses?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Because I think it's important for people to sometimes give themselves permission to go through grief. I sometimes think people think, oh, it's so trivial. It's a job or a divorce or a breakup. But I do think that it's all relative to what they're going through in their lives.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Hopefully. I have a few friends that they're not out of that stage.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
The weird, sorry to interrupt you. The weird thing is I didn't know I shut down in real time. I remember when I left and I think it was like hours later, I was sort of like, what just happened? I couldn't recall exactly what was said. I needed, I think even like a week or two to process. And almost my memory started coming back. I definitely wasn't autopilot. I was just there coasting.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
But I couldn't have told you if you asked me after. So how was that talk? I would have been like, what did we talk about?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
No. And even, I think even when people do recover, the person that was on that journey with you when you were not sober, it's hard for them to recover. So just because that addict might recover, the bystander doesn't always because they have so much PTSD and it's like you said, when I felt totally fine and I was excited to meet with Lamar and then
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
when he was late instantly i sort of blacked out and i was like okay i'm not here my trauma goes just coast autopilot and i just may i get by and then what they showed i think was maybe 20 or 30 minutes tops and we were there for four and a half hours and the first hour was not speak he would not speak it was just sweating tardiness he was so uncomfortable but then i was uncomfortable
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
I think we don't talk about it because it's so final and people don't want to accept that finality. Right.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
I mean, I wanted... And that made me very angry.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
How could it not? It made me angry. But I will say, like, I stand by a lot of my responses in that meeting, but then also some I was like, why am I snapping at him right now?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Yes, it definitely was.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Yeah, we both tried it. I was very proud of him because I'm sure that was very intimidating for him. You know, coming to my best friend's house, it was more in my comfort zone than his. And I was very proud of him, although he was late, but that's okay.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
I'm proud of me. I'm proud that I got through it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
We're very resilient.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
We are. And I don't think we give ourselves enough acknowledgement for either one of them because we are for sure.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
I think for me, I need to learn to trust myself again because I feel like I've let myself down trust-wise. And because I've made bad choices in the past, I'm afraid to make another choice and have it be the same outcome.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
How did you identify that, though?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
I mean, you just made a good point about our grandparents or great-grandparents, they would converse so much more about death, and it would be more of the norm, if you will. Do you think that has to do with sort of, I don't want to say the loss of religion, but religion isn't as strong as it used to be 50 years ago?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
What's so interesting is I've thought like, is this something related to my dad? But all of their characteristics I feel like are so different from my dad. Not bad, not good. Just they're indifferent.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
I don't know if this is a great comparison, but I used to say, you know, when you lose someone, it's like if you were born with all your limbs, then you lose a limb. It's not that you don't go on, you go on. And you learn to adapt to life without that limb, but you always know that it's not there. It's never the same, but you, you do go on, you do survive.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
It's just never the same and you miss it all the time. And yes, I, I get that analogy so much because it's never going to be filled and no one could fill that and no one should. Right.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
So always be honest. Yes.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Right. I think that's really important to, for people to hear and know for me at least too, because we've had, they know that my dad has died, but he didn't die when they were alive. Right. But my daughter lost her grandma, my ex's mom when she was young, but she was
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
think she was like four so she wasn't that aware but she'll like ask about her she has dreams of her but she hasn't asked me yet when are you gonna die she just thinks I'm gonna be 150 because she always tells me great you don't need to bring it up until they ask mm-hmm
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Will you talk a little bit about your website? Sure. Yes. I think that's so important for people.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Grief.com. And I think it's so important for people. A lot of people feel so much shame in their grief. And I think for them to know that they have that outlet. just to hear also your voice and how compassionate and empathetic you are for everybody in all their stages. And you really are the master at, you know, helping people find their way.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
And I know I'm so grateful and I know I've taken more of your time than I should have had.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Right. But do you feel like people are more accepting of death and grief because we've sort of been faced with so much of it?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
I loved, I saw an interview you did and I loved what you said. You were on a walk during COVID with a friend of yours and someone came up to you and was expressing her grief over having to reschedule her wedding. And you just lost your son not too long before that. And your friend was like, I can't, once the lady left, I can't believe she had the audacity to go on and on about this wedding.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Um, with everything you were going through and you were like, no, it's not a comparison, not a competition. And it is such a profound, empathetic way to think about people. And you're right. It's not about comparison or, well, mine's bigger than yours because it is still a loss and it's that person's reality.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
You're right. What are some tools that you could share with people about dealing with grief?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
I couldn't agree more. I lost my dad when I was 19. And I can't tell you what people said to me, but I can tell you who showed up for me. Because you're in this state, it doesn't, I'm 40 now, it doesn't matter that I was 19. You're sort of in this, well, at least I was in this fog and just lost. living life through autopilot for a while. And you don't have a clue really what you're doing.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
You're just navigating the best you can. And so I think I always try to remind the people around me when they are dealing with someone else's loss and they are that person that they want to know how do they show up for someone. I just tell them to show up. And as long as you're there and yes, not trying to be like, I'm going to get you through this.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Like people have to feel their feelings and it could be so uncomfortable for that other person that's trying to be the supportive person because you feel like you're never doing enough. But just by being there, you really are.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
It was interesting. So when my dad died really quickly, he had esophageal cancer. And I think he died like six or seven weeks after diagnosis of his cancer. So it was really fast. And my dad, I don't think was... lying to us. I don't think he could accept himself that it was terminal, but he never used those words with us. So I just thought, oh, if I don't see him, this isn't real.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
So I, at 19, sort of distracted myself with my friends. And when he did die, I remember what guilt I felt for not spending more time with him. But then that guilt turned into anger because then I was like, oh, no, I need someone to blame. So I'm going to blame my dad because he didn't tell me. that it was terminal. And in my head, I rationalized it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
If he would have told me, I would have showed up more. But I don't know if I would have. I just dealt with his passing the best way I knew how. And my dad was a healthy, shaped man. And then towards the end of, he died in hospice at the house. And towards the end, he was very thin. And it was really hard for me to see him like that. And so I think I would have stayed away.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
Regardless, because at 19, I didn't know what else to do. I wasn't mature enough to be like, this is the right thing to do. I want to sit with him. I have limited time. I didn't think that way. Just a dumb 19 year old. But I would say, huh, I gotta stop.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Secrets to Loving Yourself ft. Jay Shetty
Yeah. Then the universe gives you something and you're in the same exact spot.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
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Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Hello, Courtney.
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Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
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Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
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Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
And how do you like being a mom about nine years later?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
No, I mean, just starting over nine years later. That's crazy.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
No, but honestly, North had the best idea. She was like, you need... She said this to Kim, so I don't know how she worded it, but she was saying, you, Kim, and me need to do a pod together, a session, because we are the OGs.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Yes, I've gotten many videos about this.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Is there anything that you either forgot about? Like, oh, wow, I forgot about this stage. Or is there just because Rocky came nine years after Rain? Or is there something you're like, wow, I'm going to do this so differently because I either learned I don't need that or just you're in a different phase in your life?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Even I think for me, your first kid, you overdo everything. And then your second, you're like, we don't need half this crap. I mean, obviously there's marketing tactics and I get why we are conditioned that we need to buy all this stuff. And a new mom, you're nervous and scared.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
But eventually, do you think he'll have his own room? Yes, of course.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Do one of these together and just chit chat. And I thought that would be a great idea.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
But this style of parenting is called attachment style parenting, right? And what is that exactly? Yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
No, she hasn't been to Wonderland. We've called her on Wonderland, but she hasn't been here. You are the first sister. Wow. Wow. I'm honored. What do you want to talk about today? Um, I have something that I think is interesting, but it's up to you if you want to talk about it. Okay. Let's talk about your new family dynamic. It's crazy. You are a mom of seven. How is the family dynamic?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I love that. Mother knows best. No. Oh my gosh. And Draza sings me that song all the time. Okay. I want to look at questions now.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Yes. As a family?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
And then I started thinking- Wait, let me ask you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Uh-huh, I am.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
You don't have a bedtime for your kids?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Thank you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Let me also say. If my kids are tired, I'm like, they could go to sleep. Yeah. No, I'm not saying. I'm not like, you better stay awake.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
And tell. No.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
The whole time?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Wow. That's crazy to me.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Because he's also not a light baby.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
So you're holding a 23-pound baby for two hours? Three hours sometimes. Three hours? Yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Holy shit.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Don't you have that thing that you made me buy?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I wonder if we have to replace that sticker.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
How do you think we differ as moms?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
But not everyone can breastfeed. So some of it's a choice. Some of it isn't possible.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I couldn't breastfeed. I've tried. I did. I had a person come to Cleveland and I don't know what they're called.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
And they came for over a week, tried. I did the tea and the cookies and these sweet potato things.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I was just a tad.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Do you think you remember breastfeeding?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Yes. Like, well, yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I'm assuming you're saying now you breastfeed because you weren't breastfed or something. Right. So, but do you, you wouldn't know, known you weren't breastfed if mom didn't tell you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
So it's healing your lack of breastfeeding.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Like how is the household chaos has to be with seven kids, all different ages too.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Let's talk about that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I feel like subliminally issues.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
No, it was. Like kids back in those days were not seen, not heard. That was like the expression. No playrooms, no toys were in the main part of the house. Like kids weren't hiding.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Yeah, no, but I'm just telling you, it was also, you have to have like the context of the era.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
And what do you prefer? Do you love a house of chaos and fingerprints everywhere and messes or do you love a house of – or maybe you like both. You need the exhale moment, which is –
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
And I love how over the top I do because I love like any holiday. I'm like I lean in with the napkins or the cookies or whatever. But I learned that from mom.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
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Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
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Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
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Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
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Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
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Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
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Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I get asked about you all the time in regards to your IVF journey. And I'm like, but she didn't do one.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Yes. And so I know you talked about, yes, you tried IVF and it didn't work for you. But how Rocky was conceived was that he wasn't through IVF. And no shame to IVF. I have an IVF baby. Love IVF. It's a great thing. But I do think that, and I don't know if you care to talk about it, but people always, to me, when they say it to me, like, well, what doctor did she use? And
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
How long was she doing IVF before that? And I'm like, I think to my knowledge, Rocky was just naturally conceived.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Oh, a year after.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I still can't believe you went into labor Halloween, but he was born. November 1st. Dream and True were telling me the story. Dream knows like every specific. Oh, my gosh. She knew the time of when he was born. Yeah, she was like, it was 1201. She almost had a Halloween baby. Yeah, 1200.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Oh, well, that's not nice. Well, that's crazy. Because Courtney is the biggest Halloween fan.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Oh, now it's more open door policy.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Why don't you talk about your faith and how much faith plays a part in your life?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
When I talk about that I read the Bible every day, people are like,
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I would love it. I told you that I want to do it with you. I'm going to try that new church, not this weekend because it's Mother's Day, but the next weekend. Do you and Travis have... The same, like, do you guys pray together? Is he faith-based? Is he on his own journey?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Their social security number.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I think the more you talk to God, the louder you'll start hearing him. Because at first you're like, well, okay, like it's so awkward or weird or just foreign to you. But then the more that you talk to him, those answers do show up or innately you find the answer you figured out. And that's how he speaks to you. So keep talking to him.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
What do you think people misunderstand about our relationship as sisters the most?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
From what I hear, people have more of a misconception about you and Kim. I think they think you and Kim hate each other. And I think you almost talk to Kim more than you talk to me. Because whenever I'm with Kim, you're always texting or calling and I'm like, that bitch doesn't call me this much.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I know P and North, you know, so you guys have the same stuff going on.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
How do you decide what's actually worth your energy these days?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Yeah, sometimes we say yes so much, but does it actually add value to our family? Or is it more dividing and separating? I don't know.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
What is your favorite memory of you and I as a duo?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I know. We have a lot. Or what's something that stands out? Doesn't have to be your favorite.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Obviously. Did you see Kylie was just in Miami? I saw. And I was like, girl, she was like FaceTiming me from Miami and she was having the best time. Oh, you're going to die if I show you this video that she sent me. But Miami is just such a good time. And I was like, you have no idea. Court and I, we ran that city. It was amazing.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
That's probably why we ran it. What's your least favorite memory?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
You didn't like when Kim and I would gang up on you?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I still sometimes feel like we're in that era. Sometimes.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Mm-hmm. But do you do that because you really care or you just are determined to go against the grain?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Oh, I'm such a homeschool person, so don't even get me going.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Hi, I'm doing my podcast with I'm the first sister guest. She showed up. Wow, your makeup looks so pretty. Kim's getting ready for the mat. Oh, I forgot. You look so pretty. Thank you. Oh, I see who's in the back.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
But remember you as a teenager. You loved having a plus one.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
No, she didn't. No, you didn't. You didn't know she was doing it. Oh, productions. Oh, so nice of them. Well, good luck at the Met Ball.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Oh, hell yeah. See, we have a product for every situation.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Just take your Lemmy Purr for fun. Yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Stop. Did you ever think like you were going to dominate with Lemmy like this?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
No, that's so you. Of course you did.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
and that it's the cutest branding like all your commercials i will say your best one was let me sleep with that gorgeous sleeping beauty that you had yeah me sleeping beauty that was me let's do a lightning round is there anything that really bothers you about me i'm here to listen i mean sometimes yes let's go through the list go through the list what sometimes bothers you about oh
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
But I don't think we could afford to bring friends.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
And I'm just like- So keep it for the private chat. No, I'm just like- I want people to feel seen by me. And for them to know that I'm actually- paying attention, unlike you, who won't respond for three weeks.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
No, but go on. What else? I feel like this is good for you. It's healthy. Tell me what else.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Courtney, don't lie. Tell me what else.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I don't feel like. Maybe I do. I don't know.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
When I do it next, will you call it out? I will. So I can be aware. I will. Because I have a very expressive face, but I don't mean to do that. And you would think I've had a lot of Botox and it's still just.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Shines on through.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Okay, it's sort of a joke, Courtney. Oh, well, I was going to say. I get it. We're all going to die.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Courtney, do you see the judging eyes now?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Okay, they're here.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Just the judging eyes. Okay.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Because of the facial botox.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Just the eyes. Oh my gosh, do I have big eyes? No. Like deer in headlights? No, you don't. That's all about you. Long text messages, judging eyes. I'm sure there's more.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Right, but nobody wanted you off.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I added you back. So glad. Because Courtney loves to leave a chat. So glad. And I said, oh, not that fast. You're staying here.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Trying to. Kendall hasn't responded in two years. I don't know if she's on it anymore.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
She probably changed her number.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Courtney used to hold up picket signs. She used to make picket signs around the house and protest.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Yes. Do you understand why she probably made spaghetti every night now?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
That's what it is. Pasta peppers, pasta primavera.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Rob and I love that. Okay, Courtney, I could talk to you all day.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Good. It was great for me too.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
No, how you can handle a trip is insane to me. You handle it like me? No. You're going to pick out who's in what room and what's going to... And you are so carefree about it. And I love that. I wish I could be more like that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
When I was a stepmom, it was challenging for me. And I didn't have little babies. It was just me. I feel like, and maybe because you guys have had so much history, you and Travis, of being friends prior to your marriage, I feel like you've done a pretty good job of being now the stepmom.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Courtney. Oh, well, I was going to say. We're all going to die.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I think regardless of how much history you have, when you are friends with someone, and then as soon as you get in a relationship with someone, regardless of how great you are, I think kids feel like they also have to
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Courtney, do you see the judging eyes now? Yeah. Okay, they're here. She just has to remember how much she loves me. Sometimes I think she forgets. I've just got to stop sending the love text messages. I'm going to send her a novel after this.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I think if you're married or if you're getting married and if you did it before your marriage or after, doing that slow transition of that I thought was really smart. You guys did it once you were married. But when you have kids, I think that's a really smart way to do it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Well, think about you've always had younger kids. Mason is now 15. But you then took on a family with young adults. So you sort of missed you evolving into that. You know what I mean? You're just thrown into like in the young adult stage is a hard stage. So now they're young adults who I'm sure want to socialize, have friends over. And that's what you're probably like, wait, what?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I'm used to rain is what, 10? Yeah. you know, you're used to young people and now you have Rocky who's one. Yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
And what year are you in?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Oh my gosh, you did.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
You're almost there.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Well, think about how hard it is. I don't know if you remember before kids just living with another person, just two adults living. integrating their lives together, blending, learning how to share a bed. Like it could be the share the TV. Like I dread the newness of that. I'm like, I don't want you touching my fucking remote. This is my bedtime. Think about that. Now you're blending.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
tiny people with big emotions. That's crazy.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
But also, how do you do it as a couple?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
But it really irks the fuck out of a lot of people. Well. Like sometimes if you're like, because you will laugh in someone's face and just feel like.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Don't sweat the small stuff.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I do like that you said, you know your role is not to be the disciplinary with the older kids. And knowing that, I think something that Bruce did so well with us, or I could speak for myself, is Bruce never tried to be dad. Right. And I always appreciated and respected that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Thank you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
But also maybe that experience molded you into being the step parent that you are today, whether it be things you don't didn't like from Bruce or things you did like.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Denise was our dad's fiance for five years. We love her. We still love her.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
She put me in Cotillion. Do you know what Cotillion is? Loved Cotillion.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Oh, you were just born a lady.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
It is. Oh, my God. Does that mean I was a beast?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
You're right. You know? That means I was a savage at the table. You could have been. I could have been. You were a wild kid. I could see myself.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Was that why you didn't connect with Bruce?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I just thought you didn't like him because he was replacing dad. Not that he did. No one could replace dad, but that's just why I thought you didn't like him.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
As long as I wanted to, I've been more calm
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I had such a different experience. But maybe mom had a talk with him. Maybe your retraction taught him something. So maybe it was a lesson for everyone.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Yeah, that is not my experience at all. That's crazy. See, you can live in the same house being raised by the same parents.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
Not even know and have totally different experiences. Well, I'm sorry you went through that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Boundaries, Blended Families & Brutal Honesty ft. Kourtney Kardashian
I had no clue. So here's the deal. You guys know I love snacking and I love popcorn, but I'm also always looking for ways to eat more protein during the day. That's why I created Cloud Popcorn. It has three times the protein of your standard popcorn and it tastes delicious. I created Cloud because I wanted a popcorn that pulls its weight with no trade-offs.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
But I don't mind a homebody, but like let's dance or we could have people over. I just don't like to be out on the town.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
But within my home, I'll do whatever you want to do.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
All my siblings and my mom.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
Well, I would say 90% of the time if we're not feuding or something like that. But when I see them, I get really smiley and excited to see them and giddy. And most of my... We're very supportive and we're each other's cheerleaders. So I just saw my sister Kylie when I walked in here and she was like, Oh, I'm so excited for today for you. And like we were just like pumping each other up.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
And that made me feel really good. Yeah. Fuck yes. I'm going to hang out with Logan. Like it's going to be great. But it felt good. Right. You know, I don't know. She doesn't. Nobody takes me down sibling wise.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
And I just loved your... Just how you handle, I think, dating. And then when I started researching you a little bit more and knowing that you went to Harvard and you worked at Google and there's so many layers to you and I just find you so fascinating. So thank you for coming on. I really was so excited that you said yes.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
It's interesting you say that because in terms of work, I've done that the older I've gotten. I've had job opportunities with certain people and I'm like – Honestly, that person makes me feel so bad about myself and not all money is good money. I would rather say no and move on and I feel like God will bless me with something else.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
And normally, I would say actually every time I've done that, I've been – I don't know if the term is rewarded, but I've been blessed with something better and with so much more of an amazing person that owns that company or whatnot. Yeah. In that regard, I do think I listen to myself and I agree with you completely.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
But with dating, for me at least, I think either I meet someone and I could tell...
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
I think we've all done that though. We've all sang for our supper, if you will. And it sucks.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
I think it's so fascinating because I don't know if you are so young or you look so young. But either way, you look and you probably are so young. But you have so much experience and I think so much wisdom. But especially because the show is about people dating in the later chapters in their lives and how you –
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
Well, I got married in 30 days of meeting my first husband. We met and then I actually, when he proposed, we got married nine days later. So yes, guilty. Take me to jail. Um, but I agree. It's you don't know someone. I also wouldn't change it. I also love that experience. And it was one of like the best experiences of my life. And I loved that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
But I don't think I'll never say never, but I don't think I would ever do that again. Yeah, I hope not. Um, But I feel like with others... I've done both. I've taken some time, but I've also gone headfirst. I do feel my history is probably more of a headfirst type of gal. So what I've done intentionally this time is taken a break from dating and I really wanted to work on myself and dating.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
focus on my kids, but also I felt like I was way too fragile of a person. And I lost so much of who I was, I lost my confidence and so many layers of myself that I had years ago. And so I really wanted to get that version of myself back, maybe, you know, the 4.0 version, whatever you want to call it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
For my 40. That's why I was like the 4.0 version. But I really wanted to get the more mature, different version, but the better version of myself. And so intentionally, I wasn't dating because it's so easy to be an avoidant and distract and hang out with men because that feeling feels good. It does. And just to have the love and
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
I've been there and I've done that, but it hasn't worked out great for me in the past. That's why this time I wanted to try something different. And I really like, I like where I am right now in my life. I really do. But I do know I, I believe in love. I believe in the happily ever after. I do. I'm not cynical. I do think someone's out there for me. I just don't know if right now is my time.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
And it could be fear. It could be that I'm avoiding getting back into that dating pool. But it's just where I'm comfortable right now.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
handle everyone I know this isn't a plug for the show it's more about your personality and what really made me gravitate towards you and I was like gosh I find you so interesting because I have seen so many different life coaches dating coaches and not all of them handle people the way you do and I think that takes a lot of empathy but also self-awareness of your own and then when I started looking you up and just you're so intelligent and you've lived so many lives and I'm like
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
that's spot on 100 i don't put myself out there i haven't been on one date like not one really three years like i don't yes like i don't even think i'm looking i'm not interacting with the opposite sex like unless you're already in my life a friend of mine right but i'm like no no no no closed for business don't talk to me if you met a great guy and i truly don't know how you're meeting strangers like would you feel open to it you're like stranger danger i know stranger danger i
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
And what's crazy is I tell myself or my friends when they ask me, are you open to it? I'm like, yes, I'm open to it. But where am I – like if I'm really laying it out there, I don't even go anywhere I think to be open to it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
So what's crazy is I say that all the time. I'm like, I used to do Taco Tuesdays. Oh, cute. Like every week. And it was called Tattle Free Tuesdays because I was like, whoever comes and if you guys want to smooch in the corner, like nobody's talking. Who cares? It was just what I did before kids. But my friends were like, when are you doing Taco Tuesdays again? I'm like, it's a different version.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
anything wild it was just fun and everyone had their fun like we all left our phones at the door and it was just playing games and I always say let's do that and people bring other people but I never follow through that's what I feel like you need because you're just not gonna be meeting people out and about most of the things I would tell most people do not apply to you but I think that if you can do it within your house you feel safe
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
And I, as much as I don't trust a lot of people, I really like talking with people. Like I find other people fascinating. So even just doesn't have to be on a romantic level. I do enjoy like I find human behavior fascinating. I really do. And I just like to engage with other people.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
Let's have her on. Yay. Thank you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
It is. So I didn't realize that most of your education, I guess, if you will, your practice was for the Gen Z and Millennials. Do you think that – because I really think that there's even a difference in dating from Gen Zs to Millennials. What are the over 55s called?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
Okay. Yeah. Is it really –
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
I have seen so many different dating coaches and not all of them handle people the way you do.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
And I know my nephew and his group of friends, I've noticed that they push off the driver's permit and all that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
Well, I also think – because like of ubers those things that are easier for them and they're like well why do i need to take this that is a good test i do think it's that which sort of that scares me more than having my kid drive because yeah yeah yeah stranger driving you around yeah yeah So I think it's that, but it could also be like a fear of rejection or I'm going to fail this.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
It's too much pressure. I don't know. But I also notice the not drinking thing. But I also notice that younger kids are – or the Gen Z kids are so much more into health and fitness and like drinking water and what's artificial. And I'm like – I'd never heard of water until like last year. I'm the same. I'm like, what the hell was water? Yeah. In the sparkling water.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
I'm like, my daughter's six and all of my nieces drink sparkling water. I'm like, bougie.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
What are the results on your quiz?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
Yes, I would love to know.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
And I feel like I can commit to a once a month Taco Tuesday. Right. I feel like that's not too crazy.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
Do you think at different parts in someone's life they can change? Because I feel like I used to be the romanticizer and now I'm the procrastinator.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
growing changing people I think it helps us understand each other and ourselves more and also be excited and so I think the fact that you're different than you used to be is great and there's a lot of growth in there well now now that you have a baby yeah how old is she she's 14 months 14 months yeah do you think because you had a challenging end of your pregnancy that you have even so much more gratitude that you get to hold her and snuggle her every day
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
And how far along were you? I was 32 weeks. Oh my gosh.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
who's fun like who am I attracted to like who do my friends like it's like these are the times yes it's like who is going to talk to the doctor on your behalf when you don't have a brain and your child is in the NICU right I agree that's such a beautiful story and thank you so much for sharing that my sister Kim had preeclampsia and I remember at the none of us I think ever heard of it before my mom had six somewhat easy pregnancies and so did Courtney um
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
And I just remember like what I flashback to is like this was like the craze of tabloids and everyone making fun of my sister for like her swollen big feet in high heels and her hands. And she's like, I'm pregnant. Isn't this normal? But she really – none of us knew. And she did have pretty fat feet. But like we thought that was what happens in pregnancy.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
We didn't know any different but just like –
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
No, but like you said, you didn't know about it. And if it weren't for Kim's experience, I don't think I would have known about it probably until this conversation. I don't think people talk about it enough. That was one thing that I had my son via surrogate. And I do speak about my experience. It's not all daisies and rainbows with him. And
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
You know, sometimes I fight myself with that because I don't ever want to make him feel bad the older he gets. But I also feel like people should hear this side because you only hear one really great side. And I remember I felt like a really bad human being because I was not feeling the way that I would only read about or hear about.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
Well, you're doing that right now. You really are. Just people will listen or watch and they will hear your story. And I hope nobody has that. But if they have any of these symptoms, at least go get it checked. It never hurts to get things checked. Well, Logan, I can sit and chat with you all day. This was so nice. I'm definitely going to start my Taco Tuesdays. Yay. Monthly. I love it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
It's just so intimidating because I know how hard it is to change the smallest of habits. Now you're asking people to adjust and change in the most vulnerable of habits. And I think the older we get, the more stubborn we get to change. And the fact that you're able to do that, I mean, it's a testament to you and your skill. And it sounds so scary.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
Once a month. I'm ready for that. But baby steps are still steps. And yeah, just thank you for chatting with me. I really think this is going to be so helpful for so many people.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
Oh my gosh, I relate. to that so much right now. I'm like 20 years. If I was alone for 20 years, I don't know if I, because I've been single for three years. Sorry, I interrupted you. But I've been single for three years and not dating nothing by choice. And I get afraid now. I'm very happy where I am right now. I don't think I'm ready to date at the moment.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
But I'm like, gosh, I can't even imagine sharing my bed, my remote, my household. Don't throw me off my routine.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
Right now, no. Like even when I took a quiz that you suggested, would you say it's a personality quiz?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
Okay, well, we're going to go through that later. I'm excited. But I know if I wanted to date, I would right now. I just don't feel that there's this emptiness in my life in that regard anymore. And I think when you have young kids, at least for me, it's really hard for me to even – because I can't go – I can.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
But I don't want to go out to a restaurant with someone that I've just met because then I'm linked to this person and it turns into some bigger thing. I don't have –
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
the average person's issues so i know they're they're one-offs but and i don't want to bring someone to my home because my children are there and i just don't want to introduce my kids to someone unless i've they've been in my life for i would say at least six months or something like that yeah um and i'm not going to their house because what if they murder me There's always that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
There's always that thought. So I'm not there yet. I imagine when I am, I guess I'll figure it out.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
It's so funny. My sister and I, we always say we need a crash pad. Yeah. Like a bachelorette pad. Not to... you know, hook up, but just like a safe space, like, okay, you want to have dinner, we're going to have it here. Because also, if I'm like getting a hotel room, that's, I really sense the wrong message.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
Oh, it was so much easier in my 20s and I would go out and just like whatever and it's not a big deal. And I don't know even if it would be that big of a deal at my age if I didn't have kids. I think the children factor is what makes everything so different for me.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
I did. Looks really cute.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
It really does. Oh, God.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
So I am what people probably don't think about me. I'm actually very traditional in a relationship. Like I like the man to be the man, like lead. I always want to make the man feel like the man. Like even if someone makes more money than the other, I would never put that in someone's face or have them feel a certain way. I'm just not that person.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
But what would that – like I don't need a man for anything, but I want them for – companionship i would think and just to live life with and create memories with i do want the help with my kids like i want my kids to see that there's a mommy and a daddy even if it's not their dad Am I saying this right?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
It's just another person to love them. And that's how my mom, my dad, and my stepdad Did that seamlessly. Like I never felt like my stepdad was coming in and taking my father's place. My father was never excluded from anything. And my stepdad was never he never cared if we called him dad or Bruce or whatever.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
I love that. You're so right. Oh my gosh. Hi, Logan. I'm so excited to have you on. Now, I learned about you or I was introduced to you because I was watching The Later Daters on Netflix and I know you're a matchmaker on that show, but I wouldn't label you as a matchmaker. You do so much more. And I love that just from the show, you are so charming and kind, but also telling them the truth.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
He was so chill and fantastic about everything that it made us proud to have all three of them around. And then even when my dad would have different girlfriends, we all really liked most of them. Yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
I don't think I am there yet. It really makes me nervous. But I also think it makes me nervous just because all the stuff I've been through, like I'm more it's. It's probably mainly, yes, about my kids is the number one, but then the next thing is like, oh, it's just so scary. How do you know that that's not going to happen again? Yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
I think I would – because I've always loved kids. I think I would definitely be doing something with kids. I wanted to be a school teacher, some sort of educator for kids.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
That I probably should be doing that. But I always wanted to do something like that with kids and otherwise just like be at home with my family. Yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
I think so. Yes. I mean, but then I see so many other people doing it or like they're just so seamlessly from one relationship to the next. I'm like, yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
But I also think that there is not all women, but I've noticed from some of my friend groups that some women like to hold that they are making more as a power move.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
If we go out like there's certain things you could do, either if you have you want to have a joint credit card or even just like pass the credit card on to your man. That's what I've heard.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
I'll have extensions back. Okay. Like long stripper hair.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
So the first thing I would want in any relationship is to feel safe. I think especially like now the older I am, I turned 40 this year and I feel like. I'm over. Like, I don't want to be worried about what you're doing. And I don't know if that's just like a forever feeling, but I don't think so. I think that most people feel like secure in their relationships and they're like, no, we're good.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Science of Swiping Right ft. Dating Expert Logan Ury
And also I'm so busy. Like I'm not, I don't have time to worry about people except my kids. Safe, but I love to laugh and I like to be silly and just lighthearted and dance around my house. Like I like someone that Can be a homebody, but also be really lively within the home. Like I don't want you to be a recluse, but you're some Debbie Downer.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
But yes, but to pick his brain and see what he does, it's truly his full-time job. And it's incredible.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
But I am such a fan of yours, but maybe for different reasons than most of your normal fans. Thank you. I am such a fan of, I think, number one, your loyalty just to people. And this is all from afar. I don't know you on a personal level. Right. But I think if anyone pays attention to you or sees clips of you, your loyalty is unmatched and it comes through the screen.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
So is it true? I read that probably messing this up, but maybe you did blood work and you were told you only had 10 years to live and then you adapted everything.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
What is your favorite, like, biohacking treatment?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
See, I can't do that. That's the one thing I'm such a pussy at, the cold plunge. Brad and I talk about that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Oh, that's amazing. They say it's better for you even than sauna, the cold plunge. People are now saying it's the best thing for you. It's just fucking hard to get in that water.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
God, you really are a beast. It's amazing. What is an insane behind the scenes story with some fighters?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Do you feel like you are sort of like a godfather slash father to these guys? Also a therapist, also not like a babysitter, but I feel like your position, you play so many fucking roles. That's not just...
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland. Today's guest is the one and only Dana White, the unapologetic force behind one of the biggest sports empires in the world. Why do you think fighting is so universal?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Something that I read about you is during COVID when everyone was laying people off, people were losing their jobs left and right, that you were like, fuck it. I'm not or fuck you. I'm not going to lay anybody off. Everyone's going to keep their jobs. And if I read correctly, you were going to take a pay cut in order for everyone to keep theirs.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Why do you think fighting is so universal? Why do you think it's like, especially during COVID when everything was shut down and you saw what a peak it made and how it's on the up and up? Like, why do you think it's such a universal sport that people...
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
They are. And what I do notice in other sports is they're sort of fair weather. They will be up someone's ass if someone's winning, if they won a championship. But as soon as they lose, they boo them, they throw shit at them. And you don't get the same from what I see in fighting.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Do you have one that you, because I know you started off in boxing, but do you have one that you prefer more than the other?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
And that, I read something, I think it was in your Time article, that that has more success at the beginning than UFC did.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
People just want to see people slap the shit out of someone.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Something that I think is really fascinating is your TV show that started in 2005, The Ultimate Fighter, and it's still running. And you attribute the success of the UFC partially because of the reality show.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
That's crazy. Yeah. And the show's still on now.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
I don't think people realize how massive that is, like how successful something has to be TV-wise.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Especially now when everyone wants to do a show. Everyone will do anything. It's so true. To be in front of that camera.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Did you think by selling that TV show it would have an impact on the UFC? No.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
And your belief has always been, regardless, at the beginning when you were losing money, you never lost focus on what you believed this company would be.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
but not everyone would hold out the way you did. I think you're being very humble about your belief and your determination that this, just your confidence in the brand and the company
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
I love that. And I think people know that. And I think now so many people are so privy to that people get paid to do half the shit that they it's like they could smell blood. They know when it's bullshit.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
And the more that you water yourself down, just the less authentic and believable you're going to be.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Have you ever been screwed over by like one of your employees or someone that you've trusted and then regretted that?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
And it blows over. Like, you only get canceled if you allow... Like when those people are like, okay, and then they're going to rehab the next day. Shut the fuck up. You didn't even do something big enough to go to your fake rehab. That's what that is, is just to pretend like you're being accountable for something you're not even sorry for. That's normally what that is.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
If you're like, fuck you, and you ignore the internet for two days.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
I agree. So what would you say is the most pivotal moment in your life that changed you for the better?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
The last thing I want to talk about is your love story.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Did you know in eighth grade you were going to marry her?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
I went to homeschool, so it took me a second to figure out. I was like, let me count.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
What type of parenting style do you have? I think I know, but.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
I don't want my daughter to be doing the same things my son's going to do.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
I pray. That's what I, I mean, I, my daughter's amazing. She's my best friend, but I pray we have an easy teenage.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
She'll be seven. Yeah. I have time, but I was a terrorist as a teenager, stole cars, snuck out. I did whatever. I didn't need to. I just was a bad-ass kid. So I'm like, I don't want my karma.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
I feel like I've had, I feel like I've had bad karma in life for other areas that like I'm good now.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
You know, but like I tell her now, I'm like, what do you think your job's going to be when you're a teenager? Like, I like to embed that in her. Like, are you going to be a waitress? I don't know. What do you want to do? But my mom made my first job when I was 18.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
for besides the ice cream shop on in summer i had to clean clothing store bathrooms and that was because i was too young to be out on the floor they didn't trust me and like cleaning someone's toilets i was like what is why is my mom making me do this right now i thank my mom every day i'm like thank fucking god she made me do that no it's true you have to have that and that's what i was saying too with me and my sister
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
way different circumstances than uh than my kids did and and it's just impossible for your kids to have the same experiences but it's even impossible in ways like we were dropped off at the mall or the movie theaters like they can't even do those things anymore so their experiences are limited in even social interactions now
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
My brother and I were saying, do you remember how we would play in like a water reservoir? But we loved it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Dana, thank you so much for coming all the way from Vegas. Your schedule is crazy. You would love my sister Kim because she flies just as much as you do.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
you yeah you started 2005 we started 2006 7 yeah so right around but it's in your personal space in your house and in your cars and in your in your personal life tough not easy it's a lot but somehow we just get closer and closer it's awesome yeah well thank you congrats thank you
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
your obvious determination in your way you know how to build a business um i really admire that but also your family unity it reminds me so much of me and my family um your love and loyalty to your kids and your wife it's so much how you resemble so much of my dad to me how he was viciously with his family
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
And still being able to be a bad, badass businessman. Like that's how my dad was. And I don't know if you get enough credit for that. I think people talk about your loyalty a lot.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
It is. And, but you still have this presence about you. That's like, don't fuck with me, but I'm gonna ride for you if you ride for me. And how do you find that balance or what is that balance?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
I think it shows with the people you have around you. I think especially the longevity, because that's what you were saying, you've had people around you for such a long time. And I don't know if this will make sense, but to me, I also think it's because you're from the East Coast. I feel like there is a difference in East Coast men versus West Coast men. I think that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
I was married to a New Yorker, and it's just a different vibe and energy.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Yeah, I think it's the best. I really do. Your family unity and like your love for your kids. You have two sons and a daughter, correct? Yeah. How old are your kids?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
That's what I mean. It's great for her. But I don't know if I would want to be between 16 to 20 being your kid or having brothers. I'm sure your sons are viciously protective of her.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
I agree. Thank you for coming all the way from Vegas. Thanks for having me. I'm so excited. My brother is so excited. He was telling me all about your slap boxing and all that kind of stuff.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
My mom's from La Jolla, so I'm familiar with San Diego. I love it down there. It's so nice down there. It really is. To me, if you can, I think that's amazing that she took that step for high school because now she's going to go to another state. But she's close enough to be closer to you than all the way in Florida. My daughter will be seven in April, and I'm not ready yet.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Well, your boys don't live with you, or do they?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
That's so cool. Well, congratulations on all of them.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
That's a trip. Yeah. I don't know if I'm going to like being an empty nester.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
No, I'll probably shave my head and go nuts or something or buy a ton of animals.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Well, what I think I'm doing now is I'm sort of brainwashing my kids to think this is normal to live next to your mom. So then when I'm old enough, they're just going to think this is what you're supposed to do. That's awesome. A little brainwashing is fine.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
We have our moments that we want to kill each other, but we always come back. Yes. And that's something that our dad really instilled in us. My dad's Armenian, and I really think there's a lot of that culture that's just embedded in you. It doesn't matter. You figure it out. The people, they're like, I haven't spoke to my sister in three years. That would never be us.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
It's just not an option for us. And then when my dad died, my mom still instilled the same ethics and morals that my dad was building in us.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
No. No. But she definitely took on the Armenian culture as much. My grandma made sure of that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
That's awesome. For your confidence and your loyalty, where do you think you get that from? I don't know.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Why? So I don't let my kids sleep anywhere. I'm very strict about it. Times are different. So I won't let my daughter or my son, who's two and a half, but they're not allowed to have sleepovers just because I'm one of those type of, I just, I think too much. I've watched your Dateline.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
So I know you don't sugarcoat really anything, which is why I love you. But what is something that people waste too much time worrying about that you don't think they should?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
That is very much my mom. And I think that quality in people can't really be learned. I think you're born like that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
And you just innately have this desire to always figure shit out.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Well, knowing that you're that type of person, do you think you're ever going to retire? No. Right. No. I don't think so either. I can't imagine it. I can't imagine my mom retiring either. I think you need that stimulation mentally. And I also think that once people do retire and your brain isn't working, that's when your body really slows down. Exactly.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
yeah probably over 10 years oh my god yeah my brother loves to be a little elusive so he is I call him like the wizard from the Wizard of Oz because he likes to be behind the curtain right we all live in the same gated area so he lives right next door to me but he I we were working out together and I said I was going to see you this week and he was broing out for sure and telling me all these stats I'm like okay well I'm not going to retain all of that but he's obsessed with you
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
Yeah. I think the more, the better. And it keeps you distracted from life and just keeps you going. I think people who work more, like if they love to work, if it's healthy for them mentally, that they live longer.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Built Different ft. Dana White
half your day are you i love biohacking i do too oh my god the shit that we have access to now it's incredible i heard you see dr gary from florida uh yeah gary brekka yeah yeah um i've met with him a few times i think when we're in town he gives us ivs and stuff but i think you guys had him before i before i ever met him you know he's really smart biohacking i met with um brian johnson do you know who he is yeah yeah guy spends like two million bucks a year biohacking
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
So you and my dad and Bruce were, I would say, partners in raising all of us. And I think all three of you guys did an incredible job. And then my dad died in 2003. And so I think you always had that person to lean on. My dad died. My brother was 16. I was 19. And I forget Courtney and Kim in their young 20s. And, you know, having that person, I think, just really abruptly taken away.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
How did your role change of being, you know, a parent that had, yes, we still had Bruce, but it is different when our real... Dad is now gone.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
I know. Well, you know, having you on, obviously you are what many people aspire to have on any podcast, but you're my mom. And I feel like. We filmed together. You have a documentary coming out one day. There's books about you. For me, I felt like asking you the typical questions of... Where were you born? Where were you born? How was San Diego? What's your mom like? I feel like people...
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
Did you feel a shift of your role as a parent when my dad passed away?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
Sometimes I'm doing first grade homework and I'm like, what is Singapore math? I know. Hello. Singapore math. I don't know what that is. Exactly. Okay. Try it. No. I'm going to make you do it one day. No. Excuse me. What happened to just regular addition? One plus one. I know.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
that are real fans of yours know those things. And so, sure, we might glaze over those things. But I really thought an interesting topic that I feel is interesting and that people always ask me about. People are always praising us for our family dynamic.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
Do you think you're more of a girl mom or a boy mom? Or can you adapt to both? I learned how to adapt to both.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
little kids around it was nuts I think for me my biggest right now I don't know I'm just I got to get this out of my head okay is that I have this like anxiety and this build-up about the teenage stage I know what a terrorist I was Chloe you were you were wild I know you were spicy and crazy okay you used to Chloe why Chloe so each one of you probably had a good 18 months of
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
They always say, like, whether they come from a family with a lot of siblings, they always are like, oh, my gosh, you remind me of my mom and my siblings. Or if they don't have siblings... They dream like that's their fantasy. If I had a bunch of siblings, like that's the sibling dynamic and parent dynamic that I would love to have with my family.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
What can I do to make this up to you? Because you bring this up on a weekly basis.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
What can I do? There's nothing. Okay. So we're just going to talk about it forever.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
Who has a $6,000 cell phone bill? I'm not sure about this story. It was from Europe. Wow, I'm so chic. Somebody took. I knew people from Europe.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
and i'll show you and i'll show you who you're gonna be and i was like these friends they're taking the pilaf pan and the phone to europe and they sound pretty chic and cultured they know what to take they probably were yeah they know they probably were but anyway you gave me a run for my money i was and you were you were you're confirming that i should be terrified of The teenage phase.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
Absolutely. I feel like it was always what it seemed so seamless for you. And I would love, even for myself, for the listeners out there, what are some tips? Like, how do you handle your children? Like, because we drink together. I mean, now I'm 40, but like, There is that, I would think there's that transitional period that you have to, okay, this is normal.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
My daughter's ordering wine at dinner, but she's of age. I don't know. Was that ever strange for you?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
So I felt like it would be a great episode to talk to you about, I think, our dynamic, the dynamic that you have with your children and the many phases of that. But did you always dream about being a mother? Yeah. Well, yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
I don't think anyone questions your determination.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
But you're also very forgiving because we can be like, so-and-so is a piece of shit and did X, Y, and Z. And then we're like, we're never talking to them again. And then next week we're like, okay, we're back with this person. And you're like, okay.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
And you're very forgiving where I... would be like, I might kill that person.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
I remember when I was, I want to say 15. I didn't have a license yet. And I stole Bruce's Expedition. And I was driving on the 101 by the 405, like right where it crosses over. And it's like a little turn anyway. So I guess I swerved a little and I got pulled over. And... I was wearing a really cute skirt from Forever 21. Of course you were. And I'll mention why I remember that skirt.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
And I remember the police officer was like, can I have your license and registration? And I said, oh, I don't have my license, but... My name is, I think I said Kourtney Kardashian, but my birthday is, and I gave Kim's birthday. So, of course, they were like, you're lying. Get out of the car. I got taken to jail. I remember that. So I went to jail, and they called you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
And it was, I don't know, like 9 or 10 at night. And I was just, they took me there. I didn't go to jail. Like, they took me to a precinct or whatever just until you came to pick me up. And they...
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
impounded the car and you were like what's wrong with you you're look at this short skirt you're wearing you look like you could have been a hooker this is all private like in front of everyone you were like oh she's a great girl like you were so sweet like ah teenagers i don't know why she did that or sisters whatever you said
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
they let us go like with a warning you didn't tell bruce that we impounded his car for 30 days and somehow we made up some story because you were like i remember he couldn't get the car the next day and he's like where's my escalator oh it had a scratch and i took it right to the shop but to me you were like you i can't believe you get in the car yeah you were like cussing me out i was on punishment but you kept it from
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
Did you ever think you would be working with all of your children and not only working with them, but because it started out the clothing stores and us working together, but then managing like their careers and everything and basically guiding their futures. Yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
I also think our dynamic at the beginning, like it was challenging. I know more so for Court and I to, for you to be our manager at first, because we were like, what are you talking? Like, you're not going to boss us around. Like we were like, what? We don't even want to do this.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
Like at first when you guys were like, when you and Kim were like, we're going to film a show and you guys have to be on it. Court and I were like, no, we're not. We don't want to be on this show. You guys were like, no, you're going to be on the show. We're on the show. We're doing a show. And it just sort of happened. And you were like, it's only going to be one season. It's not a big deal.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
Just do the show. And we just did it. But then when you were like our manager and telling us what to do and where to go, and it was hard for us to differentiate mom and then a manager, it was hard for, I would say the first few years to be like, okay, she's ordering me around or telling me to do this, but not as my mom. Cause we would be defensive or like,
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
yeah what are you doing like it was i think kim and you always had a very easy rapport and respect and this and i had respect for you as my mom but i was like you are not my boss like that's was my yeah just my attitude towards you until i had to realize okay she's she knows what she's doing manager chris well i had to put you in two different categories
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
Until I think our relationship really became very seamless once I had kids. And it was always a great relationship. But the management mom role was always very hard for me to...
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
just sometimes if i wanted to talk to you about manager stuff where's my mom yeah which one is my mom today but it would be hard or or you would want to talk about work when we're at dinner and i'm like no like that's not what i want to do right yeah so no we had we definitely had to figure it out yeah the transition of that was definitely and when to turn it off that was always hard for me but
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
And for everything in life, you're a very passionate person. But I just don't want people thinking, oh, working with family is a breeze. And this it's. It's not.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
There are challenges for sure all the time. Yeah, and I think it takes a minute to be comfortable in those roles and know people's positions and learn to not take things so seriously and put them in that work role as you would if you had a legit boss that wasn't related to you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
But I think the best thing about every one of your lives is one of your biggest strengths, I would say, and you have many – would be your ability to nurture and curate these relationships from every different life that you've had. And you've never let them go. And you have this Rolodex of people that you can call, rely on, ask for something, and they ask you the same.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
I'm not great at nurturing relationships. I'm busy. I've got kids. I don't have time to chit-chat and go to dinners and do that. And I don't know how on earth you have time, but you do. And even if you don't, you make people feel so loved and seen and that they're so important to you. And I think that's why. I think that's something that people can all take away.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
I have this anxiety and this buildup about the teenage stage. I know what a terrorist I was as a teenager. Chloe, you were wild. I know. You were spicy and crazy. You're confirming that I should be terrified of the teenage phase. Absolutely. You and Kim, like, we're going to film a show and you guys have to be on it. Court and I were like, no, we're not. We don't want to be on this show.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
It doesn't matter what world you're in, but whatever that world is, make sure that you do nurture those relationships and that you never burn a bridge and that every bridge you can walk back over at some point in life because we're all going to need to. And I know that when I'm like... I want to do this or let's start this business or do that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
You're like, I know someone that is an expert in that field. Let me call them and let's get advice from that. Every single person. If I could name 50 people and I know you know every single one of them or there's someone that knows that person. And you can always reach out to those people. You've never burned a bridge.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
And I think that... And if you have burned a bridge, it wasn't worth going back over anyways. It's very intentional. And that is something that I really admire. And I... I hope that when my kids get older and I have a little more energy at the end of the day that I will be able to do the same because it's such an amazing gift to do that because it is. It takes energy and finessing.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
For you, because you were married twice, very long term marriages, and then you start dating. Like, how weird was that for you? Because we're adults. Yes. But like, was that weird? Like, I can't seem to date because of my young kids. Like, I'm like, I don't want to expose them to that. Is it different when – because you dated after my dad to meet Bruce, obviously. What is weirder?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
I would think when they're adults because they're judgy.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
Was Corey not like – I'm going to, obviously, I'm sure when he met you, he knew obviously that you have six kids.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
And that doesn't, I mean, doesn't throw anyone off.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
I don't remember the first time I met Corey. I just remember the first time I knew you were talking to someone because you were smiling and texting and being weird. And I'm like, what the ? I know that face. And I'm like, who are you texting? And you're like, this guy I met. And it was just to see you that giddy and smiley and happy. It was really cute.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
But I don't remember the first time I physically met him. But Corey's been around for over 10 years or 10 years.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
And he hasn't left yet with all of our craziness.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
But it is interesting that he has no kids and he's with someone that has the most kids and grandkids. And we're always together. Does he ever get annoyed that we're? No. I'm always because we're neighbors. So I just walk on in and I'm like, hey, Corey, sitting on the couch eating, like watching TV. And I'm like, sorry, just want to go see my mom. Like, I'm sure he's like, what the fuck?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
He doesn't care. He never says he does. He's never he would never deep down.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
And I think also, maybe, and it's so crazy to think this, but you had Kendall and Kylie when you were 40 and 41. And 28 years ago, or 27 years ago, it was really rare for someone in their 40s to have children.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
Who's my favorite? No. OK. I wouldn't ask such a thing. What makes a great martini?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
Yours is just vodka. Just say, can I have a shot of vodka? That's what I would say.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
I don't think anyone questions your determination to get pregnant. I think everyone knows. I was laser focused.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
If you say you're going to do something, you're going to do something.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
I believe I was under the bed one time. You and your ex-husband were trying and that was... I'm sorry about that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
Yeah, but you snuck into my bedroom. I was playing hide and go seek and nobody found me and I fell asleep.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
I ran out and you guys were like, what was that? Oh, so we didn't at the time know it was you. Yeah. Well, you like. I ran out, because at first we were like, I think we were like, oh my God, and like a little giggling. And then you guys were like, I think I hear something. And then when you guys said that, we ran. And then you're like, what was that? Who was that?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
And no one came to find us for a while, because I think you guys were probably so mortified as I would be too.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
Then when you were like our manager and telling us what to do and we're like, what are you talking? Like, you're not going to boss us around. You just don't want people thinking, oh, working with family is a breeze. No, no, no. There are challenges for sure.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
If Courtney was here, then that would probably happen, but I'm good. All right, good. I don't feel like I have a lot of childhood traumas.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
I don't. That makes one. Yeah. I think, well, me and Kim, I think are on the same boat. And what I find interesting, because I don't remember, like even I absolutely despise when people call Kendall and Kylie are half sisters. Yeah. Because I'm like, no, those are my real sisters. I was born and raised with them, spent every minute with them.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
And so I really find that insulting when people say that about us. So I don't like that term. None of us like that term. Yeah. And I don't even think about that term. We don't use that term. We never do. But like just other people, I just hate when they have to recognize the divide. I really, really hate that. I don't hate a lot of things.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
You were 11. So, but I don't remember ever there needing to be even a discussion or just even with my dad, I felt like everything, I don't know, we've always had this really strong family dynamic. We never felt like.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
He's sleeping on the floor. And, you know, you have any I don't even know if you do, because for us it was not I don't think it was methodical or talked about. But do you have any tips for people that are trying to blend families or nervous about that?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
No. Oh, yeah. You have nurtured that Rolodex. You will have, I don't know, Jesus sitting right there. Oh my gosh, that would be great. Hi, I'm so happy that you are on my podcast.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
I really think what it has to do with, and I always say this, is the parents. Yeah. I think if children see that this is normal and okay by all parents, everybody involved, then the kids are like, okay, this is okay. Because I think hatred and all of that stuff is learned. That's not innate in anybody. You know, I think it causes so much...
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
Well, I know from my personal experience with Tristan and how we're such good co-parenters because of the example that I've had my whole life from you and my dad's dynamic to Bruce and my dad's dynamic and... it's all I saw. So for me, it was a no brainer. And I do really think that, yes, you don't need that example.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
You can do it on your own, but when you have that example, it's, it's all, you know, and it's just embedded in you and it's so easy. And for that, like, it's, I think one of the best lessons because it's so peaceful for my children and peaceful is such a great, important, powerful word because it really does, you know, you don't let, um,
Khloé in Wonder Land
The One and Only, Kris Jenner
But it takes all like-minded adults and I wish people would put their own ego and issues aside for the betterment of children because it makes such a difference in the long run.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Going down in a while, you might say. The first time ever we're having sex, OK? Out of nowhere, he farts, OK? What?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
It was some morning. You guys will die.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
And yeah, so he was a pee boy. Can't wait. We don't need pee boys. I need to know. Yeah. Tell us what's going on.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
but i do oh my god oh i'll tell you later okay okay live okay okay i've been thinking because come on well it's not really a dating session now that we're not a peep hitter oh i got it i got it i can order because we made a song of it oh oh joel was on the piano Oh, my brother? Yes. Okay. So, I guess we're not really talking about dating such as, but now we're getting into the intimate.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Weird intimate situation. So, this one guy. When he farted? Years ago. No, we've already gone through fart and pee. There's only one thing left. What is it? What does that mean? The cyclops. Oh, the sack clap. Wait, Chloe, we've never talked about the sack clap with Chloe. I'm telling you. A sack clap? Chloe, you know. Let me explain. Wait, spell it. You know what a sack clap is.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
I have to give you an exhibit A. And I don't think it's came out on your show yet. Exhibit A. Because I don't know when this is airing. But you guys.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
She will know, and so will the women viewers. So I dated this one guy.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Okay. Okay, we got to the point of intimacy. We're dating. We're fully a thing, whatever. So anyways, bless him. He kind of had a little bit lower hangers.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Hacky sacks. Good old hacky sacks.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Doing our thing. To the windows. To the walls. My friends, I'm like, it's quite the... The hacky sack.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
When you get hit by the sack, you know it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
So we call it the sack clap. And our brothers, we have... One of my brothers is gay. I have three brothers. One of them is gay and her brother, Joel, is gay. So we naturally talk to them about our sex lives, whatever. Naturally. And, you know, and they're men. So we tell them about the sack clap. And then this is this whole thing. And my cousin, Joel, gets on the piano. He's very musical.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
He's musical. He gives a chord or whatever. It's a sack clap. It's a sack clap. It's a sack clap. So that's what our family is like. I love that. We tell each other about our sexcapades and make songs.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Oh, wait, don't we be like, hey! Hey!
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
And I think your show, but I don't know the episode. I have to say, and I don't know what camera I'm on, but Khloe's birthday. Ugh.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
We're not well. Next app you're joining us.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
40th birthday I need to take a moment and say to camera the funnest night I think of my life and that's a testament though to who you are and such a great person and friend and energy you bring to everyone it was the funnest party and that was an extrovert night you know normally you can go to a party and then you're like I had so much fun and then other people are like yeah you know whatever like across the board across the board everyone was
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Love you, bye. Love you, bye. She's like literally probably in a massive business meeting. She's like literally with like President Trump and she's like... We're all slapping the wall.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
I got to honestly say, I have not looked at my DMs in years. And when I do, I'm like. Disappointed. Disappointed. It's disappointing. And I know there's a lot of people in there, but they just like, I'm like. Like how they come and like approach you is like so whack that you're like... It's ugh. Agreed. It grosses me out. But what would we want them to say?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Is it just because we're not attracted to them and what they say is whack? Honestly, I feel like if they said, hi, like...
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Or just like an emoji. Because they're like testing the water to feel right back.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
And they don't want to feel lame. I'm like, are you engaging with me? If it was like something of substance, like, hey, I see that you're into this. Or like, hey, anything normal, I'd be like, all right. I think, though, if you have a hottie, it doesn't really matter what they say. What if the guy was hot? If he was really hot? No, no, no. Natalie, Burger Boy. If Burger Boy slid in with an emoji.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
I do agree. If it was Burger Boy. If he did hard eyes, I'd be like. I'd be like, okay, what's hard eyes back? I'd be like, what's up? I would actually do hard eyes back. The amount of times that Olivia and I have had DMs. The amount of times. Me and Olivia have DMs from the same person. That's true. That didn't do the research. They did not do the research. They were clearly f***ing family.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
And they send us the exact same thing. Or like, I'm like. You guys, I will say. Are you on crack? Thanks to my sister, Sophia, as well. Yeah, it goes through the whole thing.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
And we all check. These people are nuts. Pick one and shoot your shot. You can't just go through the whole, shoot the net really wide. It's insane. Again, I think it goes back to the point I said earlier.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
is depending upon how he looks he gets a pass on certain things i'm sorry but that's one of the first things you notice but obviously i think organically is the best if you literally just meet him out that's a little hard because especially us three don't really go out much i have never ever dated someone that i've met on social
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
yeah I have well speaking of different types of way meeting I have been on Raya it's a dating app and it's not so successful oh it's not I thought it was more successful than the rest I think I I'm the type where look When people say it always grinds my gears when people are like, oh, L.A.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Here's the example. At our age now, because you girls are moms, people have families, husbands, wives, whatever. You're not going to always get someone who's ready to go full tilt. Everyone was ready to go for you. Everyone showed up with their A game. Again, a testament to you. Everyone wanted to celebrate you and just have the best time.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
is the worst for dating people or Miami is where I feel like the outlook should be like you can meet him anywhere. I could turn around tomorrow literally and meet him. So to put down the city you're in or put down an app or put down a DM, I just think it's putting out to the universe that you're not going to accept it. So I'm not going to put down anything or anything.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
any avenue but that being said i've tried a dating app and it's not it's whatever i'm i might i think i'll probably go off soon just to switch it up so i don't exclude anything because i just think you're closing yourself off but um that being said so far it's i don't know we'll see i'm open but i don't love the dating app so far any guidelines for you You've been out of the market for a minute.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Yeah, I have. Raising your daughter, focused on that. I don't think you've really branched out, like, at all, to be honest. I don't think you've opened yourself up at all in the last four or five years.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
And I feel like you haven't either. No, I haven't for sure. You girls are just focusing on your kids. Like, don't f***ing talk to me. Yeah. Yeah. No, and that's great. I... That's amazing. I want to be at that step. That's why I say when you guys have your kids, it's great.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
I know you want to find love and a partner and all that stuff, but at least you have your wonderful babies that I love so much.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Neither of you. I don't feel that at all. Both of you are content. And I think that's the beauty. And you girls, I have to say, as your best friends, amazing mothers. Honestly, I know people say that. And I'm not being biased. They honestly had to look at camera for that. They are the most amazing mothers. I look up to you. I've learned from you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
I feel like when it's my time, I will have the best teachers or questions or whatever. You guys are really, really amazing.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
We all need to let loose. We need that outlet.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
I love you, too, so much. I really do, honestly. I cherish you and our friendship. Yeah, now we're getting sappy. No, I love you guys.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Honestly, I have to say, we've learned more things about each other. I think Natalie's at capacity. Yeah. Okay.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
instantly retract yeah like no i'm gonna die so i dated this one guy bless him he kind of had a little bit lower hangers when you get hit with the sock you know it it's just so that's what our family is like welcome to chloe in wonderland this is the podcast for real and raw conversations that you won't want to miss we've been drinking i think natalie's at capacity
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
No, I watched it. We're safe. One of the best nights of my life. We're all safe.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
The text message afterwards from everybody was like, that was the most epic night of my life.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
millennial thing we just are on the cusp of like I know we have to do video for content and all that but it's just a little hard to grab a phone and be like hey guys no I feel like it's like a cringe thing like I feel like maybe I'm judging like Gen Z but I feel like It's when I watch Gen Z, like, man, like, dance and do whatever.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
But I'm being honest. It's like, eh, like, would I rather not? I'd skip it. Like, I'd skip it. Like, when we were on our TV shows, that's more our vibe. Like, a camera's just there. Yeah, just casually. You're not talking. But it's not as performative. It's like, let me plan this out and X, Y, Z. Or it can be the introvert thing. I'm not really going to be like, OK, I'm, like, at home.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
hey guys like i can't do a day in the life i wish i could i just i feel so weird i do love watching it but um yeah that is a funny take and and a great observation because we don't do a lot of video on social or not video that where you guys are talking right yeah do you guys remember how we met because i think i do i don't i know okay i want to see if it's the same story
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
When we all went on a hike at Kim's. Yes!
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Yeah, that was our first meeting.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
I know. Kim told me you saw a picture and you were tripping out.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
so i know i know it's it's actually pretty crazy genes are wild genes are weird yeah okay they're cousins yeah we're cousins our moms are sisters obviously we grew up together like we were siblings um and then we're from vancouver canada we moved here about 10 years ago now to almost the date it was february 7th 2015 oh my gosh that's crazy so almost totally the date
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
I recently became an American citizen. No, for real though, it's cool. No, I love that it's a major accomplishment.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Yes, so I kept my Canadian. That's a plus. We are West Coast girls. We love being Canadian, but we love being here with you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Bad or good? I feel like just in general, Canadian people are different than American people. And that goes to say for just general politeness. Well, you're just raised different. You're just raised different. And it sucks because I feel like the only good American people we've met has been you guys. Oh my god.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
um but everyone says canadians are much nicer they are just in general it's just like kinder nicer feel like i think when you go to the grocery store right like on average the average person when you hold open a door for someone they'll say thank you thank you they don't i want to say or they don't even hold the door for you yeah you know it's very like a dog eat world
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
situation here right we're like every man for himself it's like a community feel and just like more kinder and so that does bleed into the dating situation like i feel like men are just raised to be a bit kinder a bit more polite a bit more yeah all we've dated is american men and where are we going with this for the american men
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
no um but i but funny enough i do still look for those qualities in american man one quick thing as you're saying that i've noticed with american men that kills me is because i've served and natalie has as well we've been waitresses before in our past life um is i feel like a lot of american men don't look at the servers and say they say let me get And they're like, let me get it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
And they don't look up. For me, especially being a server, not only just be nice to a human, but just like, you know, hi, may I please have da, da, da, da. I agree.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Okay, so we're talking about actual dates. Okay, first of all.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Well, I'm not much of a date. I don't think any of us are. We're not like, none of us are daters. It's like we've met through someone or they've like slid into our DM. I know Chloe's first date. What is it? Burgers? Oh, yes. Crying in a corner. Burgers. That was.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
So gorgeous. So hot. So hot he might need another chance. Like he does.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
No matter how pathetic the actions are, I feel like he needs a redemption. That's maybe.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
I mean, whatever. Because we don't really like go out. We don't go out. Right. Yeah, we don't. You know, especially you. So this guy. This is a date for you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
This part's like off a movie, you guys. I'm like, hey, what's your name? Like just being like funny.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
I hate to hear this. Kim and I go to.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
I just want to know what his game plan was. Like, he came in with a, like, let me just do some drugs. The chats with Khloe, you blew it, man. You guys, the sobbing over a burger and fries was wild. Maybe he, like, overshot and he was really nervous. Probably was nervous. He was nervous.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Dang, I don't really go on dates, to be honest. Okay, mine wasn't like a date. Mine was like a meet-up, whatever you want to call it. Okay, so I don't do dates at all. Okay, what was your worst situation? Okay, so here's the thing. Because I can say it for you. I know. I don't really do dates like at all, which I probably should. I should start doing those, but I don't.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
But someone that ended up being like someone that I dated, we're having sex, okay? He like looks at me and I'm like, yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
whatever okay then out of nowhere he startles himself starles he farts okay what and like he like gets so nervous and he like farted and got so nervous wait i don't know this no i know i haven't told you guys because it's that embarrassing i know it so it's a fart and like instant like retract of like the moment like oh Yeah, like. No, I'm going to die. I'm going to die.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
And I'm lying there like, how'd I react? Yeah, like, no problem, babe. No, didn't he say, like, sorry, which was maybe worse? Wait. He addressed the fart. He addressed the fart. Shut up. You can't address. You keep going. Like, for me, I'm like, you don't acknowledge. You guys, that is f***ing disgusting. Yeah, so. You don't address. And he did, like, a suck up noise.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
No, and we're all literally twins, I think. Introverted extroverts is how we describe ourselves. Totally. And that means? That we don't leave the house. But when we do, when we do, we are the life of the party. And we are. We are.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
Because he's trying to distract the noise. Yeah. Like, no, it didn't help. And I was like, look, and you're like, locked eyes. And you're like, yeah, there's no way to go back from now.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
He farted. And yeah, it's just like, sit there and bear it. I mean, it wasn't a good look for a spook. I'm not going to lie. It wasn't. It wasn't. I mean, we've, you know. And people are human, but.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Valentine's Day, But Make it Messy ft. Nat & Liv
That is nasty. And to be honest, and then I was like, do I acknowledge, like, do I verbally say, like, ha, ha, ha, ha. You have farted? No. Or do you just, like, casually be like, no, he shouldn't have addressed me. Keep going. No, that's it. Do you guys want a drink? Yeah, let's have a. I want to take a sip through.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Lord Disick, I know you don't do podcasts. I would do anything for you, though. You are Father Extraordinaire.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
He's wild. Yeah, almost ten. He's only ten in December and he's... And this is what he said.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Would you ever let your kids watch the show? Like old episodes?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I just think the version, which I would too. I mean, I would be mortified for so much that my kids would have to see. But the version you are right now and the version you were then, like sticking $100 bills down waiters' throats. I thought about that just now.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
It's a lot of stress. It's a lot of pressure.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Maybe you also maybe if he sees the outlandishness of you, like the Miami days and all that, maybe that would prevent him from drinking.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
But he also knows how incredible you are now. So it's not like you're still like this, but.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
But, you know, you're right. And I think that's a great way to look at it because he is going to be a teenage when he's 15, but he's going to be experimenting when he's older. Yeah. And it's good that you say that to him because you still got to let him be a kid. But also know I do know what could happen if someone doesn't.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
We were like, fuck everyone. I threw up on my driver, I think. Yeah, it was Kim and Kanye's, what's that wedding? So it was the wedding, but it's like a party before the wedding. I know Lana Del Rey was like singing while we were fighting in the bathroom. Oh, my God. It was miserable. It was so embarrassing. Kim and Kanye rented the entire palace of Versailles. It was insane.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Scott and I weren't aware that the wedding location was going to be elsewhere. We were flying to Italy.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
You and I were having a drinking competition.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
And I took an entire bottle of vodka, drank it. I was also going through a divorce. I was like not in the best place. And you and I started wrestling on the floor in front of thousands of people.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Courtney kicked you out of the car. You threw up on your driver. My mom kicked me out of the room and was like, you are an embarrassment.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
She was like yelling at me and Courtney was yelling at you and we were like shamed in the hallway.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Fell asleep. I remember Kendall and Kylie walked by and everyone was like, you've got to get up. We have to catch a flight to go.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
The wedding. And I was like, you guys are assholes for not waking up, like telling us to stop earlier.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I was so drunk at the wedding, but I drank the day before.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I hope. I mean, who knows? That was fun, actually.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Do you think because you were an only child, you got away with so much more? Like, I wonder. I think we, having siblings, like, we hold each other accountable. where when you're an only child, no one's there to like either rat you out or tell your parents things.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
But I also think now because of social or this or that, it's so transparent to who they are. You can't realize these days. Where back in the day, we could live double lives and no one would know about it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
No. How are you with dating around the kids? Like that's separate. Or is it like, do you discuss that with them? Do they ask?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I mean, if I weren't in my situation, I would be like, Scott, this is bullshit. But because I feel the same.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I feel like my kids are, yes, mine are younger than yours, but they're just my top priority. And I don't care about dating. I don't know what will happen in a couple of years or... Next year, I don't know, but I'm not dating. I don't care to. Like, my focus is just my kids. But I think if I wasn't in my situation, I'd be like, you're so full of shit. But I totally get it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
And I think it's the smart, to me, I think it's the smartest thing.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I mean, I feel like in eight years, you and I both will find someone.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Yeah, the grass is not always greener. You've got to water your own grass sometimes.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
No. Oh. Just water your own grass. But I meant just, like, prioritize your relationship.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
And water yourself. With your partner. Like, if you're with someone for, like, 12, 15 years, don't start over.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
like in terms of vulnerability or what you want to give to your next partner, like what would that be that you would do differently from the past? Like do you want to be more vulnerable or do you feel like staying guarded is the way to be?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
So even being in the limelight and stuff, you feel like you're pretty open when you meet people?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
What are the things you both love and dislike the most about each other? I mean, honestly, I feel like with you, the things that I once disliked from you, I like love, like they're just who makes you up. Like, but I don't even, I just think we have such a relationship where you're literally like my brother, that it's everything you do.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Like if my brother annoys me, it's like, yeah, like it's, we're going to get over anything. Oh yeah. No, I don't have a doubt. Even if I don't talk to you for weeks or like, you can call me at any time and you're my brother. I'm obsessed with you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I know. I'm so happy that we all have each other.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Well, I was going to say the only thing that really annoys me about you is when you say you're going to come to something and then you don't show up.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I was thinking you were going to do that to me today.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
And I said, well, my mom is right next door. I could always pull her in.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
You're the biggest liar. You don't show up to almost everything I invite you to.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
You're drinking a DC? Yeah, I learned it from you. What happened to your ginger ale? You're over it?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Oh my God. Did you see what Kim made the other night on the family chat? She made sweet Hawaiian rolls. she sliced them, melted vanilla ice cream, dipped the Sweetheart wine rolls in vanilla ice cream, like,
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
batter sprinkle cinnamon and sugar on it fry it so it's french toast but drenched in vanilla ice cream this is like a recipe she saw it on the top yeah and so eating it and i'm like if scott sees this thank god i'm like doesn't tell her i know but trust me she'd find a way fuck yeah dairy free take one of those pills pop where you eat good to go wow
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
What are some of your guilty obsessions right now?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Sweet Hawaiian rolls? Like my assistant would pack those. What is something you would take right now? What's like your snack fetish that you love? If now we're out of sweet Hawaiian rolls.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Wow. So you used to be the king snacker. Are you not the king snacker anymore?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
No, you loved all that crap. Oh my God, the junk by your bed.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
It's brought you here to where you are. Yeah. And I think. I think it would be something different to say if you were a fucking loser mess right now. But because you are where you are now, I think it's cool to reflect on those things.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
What is one goal that you're still chasing if you have one?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Oh, yeah. I don't know if enough people know that you build houses.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Well, do you remember going to your parents' house and looking... Was it your mom in Playboy?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
You love that your career is still a passion project of yours?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I don't know how many people remember this, but... Oh, shit.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
the pod pod yes in the bathtub yeah that's what i was thinking oh my god i can't believe i didn't start with that so i'm thinking we're doing this we're while podcasts are the biggest thing in the fucking world and you and i started a podcast way before anybody in a bathtub together which is insane i had a bathing suit on and you had swim trunks on but there was no podcast well when you say in a bathtub together but it's still psychotic the whole thing was psychotic
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
But at that point, there was no visual for podcasts.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
What lake was that? Where were we? The bay?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
We were down in your basement when you found those.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
That was Penelope was. And it was called The Lord and the Lady. Because you're the Lord. I'm the fucking lady.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
The Lord and the Lady. So we did a few episodes.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
You'll never let that night go. I must have just been on like bad mood.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Honestly, the questions wouldn't bother me. What would bother me is the hacking.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I've noticed that. But why do you not hack anymore?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Oh, my God, Jilla. I love that for us. I'm very proud of you because that's like, you don't want to just do things out of habit. You don't even notice you're doing them. I feel like that was that. So how you had to be aware enough to stop doing the hacking.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I just thought of that. I was like, why have we not talked about that were the original podcasters?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I don't even know what we talked about, but we loved that we were podcasting in an actual tub, but no one could see us.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
But we could have really been lying in bed and pretending.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Yeah, but we could have been lying in bed. We could have been lying to the audience, but instead we actually were doing the things we said we were doing.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
That's how rumors get started. I don't know how many people remember this, but... Oh, shit. This is more than a show. It's a window into my world and the stories that make it meaningful. Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland. Number one, you are the very first person that is recording with me.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Still, who cares about that show? Wait, what was your favorite take series?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
The Hamptons was my least favorite takes. I liked them all. I liked New York. You did not like New York. Well, maybe because you lived there. I loved New York. You're from New York, but some of the people.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
So speaking of your kids, I think it's so crazy to think of when, I mean, I first met you. You really are, I would say, the king of reinvention. We have Lord Disick. We have Scott. We have... Dickhead. Douchebag. No, just kidding. Oh, douche lord. But then we have douche lord.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
And I feel honored that you don't do podcasts, but you did mine.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Scott, welcome to Wonderland. That's what this is called.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Chloe in Wonderland. I like that. So welcome to Wonderland.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Well, if you give me something really juicy, you could be episode one.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I don't know what hand movement that was, but it felt good. It wasn't good. It felt gross. It was.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
But it's crazy how many, and I know that is a part of life, the evolution of life, the different chapters we have. But think about to when I first met you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
And it's so weird because when you two I know because Court and I were living together and then you and Court met. And what's weird is I don't know why I hated you so much from the start. Like I didn't even give you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
You think? Yeah. I felt like I was gung ho and like.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
This guy's a dick and I just don't like you. No. I did some things that weren't right. Maybe you just don't remember.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Right, but I felt like I didn't like you from the get-go.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Okay. Well, good. My memory doesn't serve me correctly.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
But it's also what made you you. Sure. And I also think the evolution of you and the growth of you is such a beautiful thing. I mean, I consider you one of my best friends and I love you so much. And I don't think we would be where we are now with the correct for.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I think a lot of me not liking you was, yes, what you did, but also I felt like you were encroaching on my territory too.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I mean, the really amazing thing about our relationship, yours with the entire family, is that you were around before the show even started.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
It's a great thing. I think it's an amazing thing. And just all of us on this journey together, I think is so special. And I don't think I don't know how many people realize that you were on the show because there's new viewers of the show. I think she's definitely no.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
But what did your parents think? Like, what did your friends think back at home about starting this venture with your girlfriend and her family and all of us?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I don't know if it's going to be episode one.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
It's crazy when I... So I did a poll, like, who do you guys want on my podcast? And you were the number one person that got requested to be on my podcast. And then my number one question was... Well, I think there's two questions. Have you and I ever hooked up? Fuck yeah. No, we haven't. And... I don't know if this was related to you and I or just in general. Why aren't we married?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I don't know if that's like together or why aren't we married? Why are we both not married? But I don't know which one it was.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
The pollers? But I don't care to give it a lot of attention.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Do you find it strange? I mean, no, no, I don't find that strange for years. People have always ran with this narrative about either you hooking up with Kendall. I've always seen a lot. It's either from the handle or me. And I'm like, I don't even know if you and Kendall hang out that much. Because she's always just so busy.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
No, it just depends what you give me today.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Well, the crazy thing is if we actually were together, we would be annihilated for it. So it's like people...
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
But thank you. I know you don't do podcasts.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
It's psychotic. Where was the turning point in our relationship that made, because I don't remember exactly.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Yeah, like where it turned. Because we had a rothy start. And then once it turned good, I feel like we never got off that track. Even if we don't agree on something, we don't ever hate each other. Where before it was very apparent, our disdain for one another or how frustrated I was. If we have a problem now, we talk it through. But what do you think was the turning point?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I feel like maybe just when we moved out, like when I moved out and you and Court had your own space. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Okay, so something that you and I talk about a lot privately is the fame aspect. And I think it's easy for us to say, like people, this is an awkward, because you always want what you don't have. So people, when you complain about fame, people are like, oh, must be, yada, yada. But what are, for you, what are the pros and cons to fame? Like how do you deal with it?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
And you didn't? You just bailed? I didn't do it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
Now that we are both parents, what advice would you give your kids? Do you want them to be a part of this?
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
I am so terrified just for Storm shy, true, and dream to be teenagers at the same time, I am terrified.
Khloé in Wonder Land
The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick
It's wild. Think about them in Vegas. Remember our Vegas nights?
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Because you deserve better than a six-month waitlist and unsolicited Botox recommendations.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Didn't the government, they've admitted that there's ETs, UFOs, all of that. So wouldn't they not be at risk if they told their side of the story now?
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Oh, I have to read that. Yeah. But in just for anybody who doesn't know the crash site, the government said it was a weather modification balloon that they retrieved. And then even there's military people that came out back in the 70s and admitted that it was in fact UFOs. Yes. Yes.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
I've seen a lot of documentaries even like about atomic bombs or whatever. And it's crazy how little information the presidents of the United States actually know until they need to know, which is fascinating to me.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Speaking of species, do you, cause you just said that they're, they're not harmful. They're, you know, almost like Gandhi or, but how many, if you know, or do you know how many species there are of ETS?
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Because in 1945, we... Detonated, the first one. Right, in New Mexico.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
That makes so much sense. I didn't think of it like that, but that does make so much sense.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Is it atomic bombs or missiles that were going to space and they were intercepted by UFOs or shot down?
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
But what is the answer? Like how does the government or whomever is covering up all of this? What do they say?
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Right. But especially if it's coming from an educational perspective, too. If they're doing it to help, then we should be forgiving of that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
And did you tell your parents about that experience?
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
How did you know that you could do that?
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
And you were able to create an app where anybody essentially can do that. Yes.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
I would love to see that. I know you have four daughters and a wife. Do any of them share either your passion? Have they had any experiences? Because I wonder, the reason why I'm asking that, and not to pry about your family, but I feel like it's sort of,
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
I'm excited you're gonna show me that at some point.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
there's no way to say like you are of course chosen and like for you to not be in the government have nothing to do with this and look at your positioning where you are all the information you have you have yes I know you worked incredibly hard but you were chosen for this because how else would all of this be coming to you in the way that it does
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Oh, wait, real quick, because I know, and I don't know when this is supposed to happen, but President Trump said he's going to, what did he say?
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Ah, I know what you're going to say now.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
I think also with the track record of everyone who's willing to come forward and everyone miraculously ends up deceased, people don't feel comfortable coming forward.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
We're doing that. I was going to say that to you. I know who does it. Why is the government or – The press, I'm so confused on who's even doing this at this point. But why is the messaging that it's going to be an alien takeover, that they're abducting us? I mean, why is that what we want out there? Not we, but.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Do you think that's why there's been all of the more recent sightings? Do you think that is more of our government trying to, like all the stuff that was happening on the East Coast not too long ago? The drones. The drones.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
But by a government created E.T. because real E.T.s.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
I also think that, I mean, we saw with COVID, we did see with 9-11 and so many other events that a lot of people, they don't want to question the government. They just, if there's fear involved, they want to be told what to do. And the government's going to protect them and keep them safe and guide them in the right direction. But I also think that we've seen that that's not the case.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Do you know how many species there are of ETs?
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Yes. And especially the abuse of power. And I feel like how you said you think so. Maybe this year is the year that a lot will change. I do think that more people are comfortable questioning the government, questioning so many people, you know, refuse to take the covid jab or things like that, that people should question everything.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
yes i agree but it's wild when i talk about ufos or aliens ets so many people think i'm crazy they're like you know that's not real i'm like well you also know the government if i don't believe everything they said but they did admit that these things are real sure but it was of course done in the height of covid when they released that information they covered up with so many things it's i don't know i don't know why more people aren't willing to believe it and like you said
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
if aliens were here with the intent to hurt, they would have done it already.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
But people always think that such – I am a conspiracy theorist. I believe that anything is possible. When you hear so many people have either found a cure for cancer and then they end up dead or they have a cure for – there could be so many alternatives that people have found and those people miraculously always end up somehow – they've disappeared and there's no body or they are – dead.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
But why don't people, maybe it's fear that they don't want to look more into that or deeper into that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
I do think it's really disheartening for people to come to the realization that the president isn't really in control or there's so much misinformation. There's so many secret societies, if you will. And I think that's really hard for people like the general public to accept. And that's probably why so much of this does get brushed under the rug because they don't want to swallow that pill.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
No way. Yes. So is this really how the crafts look?
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Please do. It's with a K. I know it is. Okay.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
You just learned that in 92? In 93. Or 93.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Well, honestly, I can talk to you for maybe five more hours. Oh, yeah, we could. I could. I love this. But this has been so incredible. I'm so honored that you have taken the time to sit and chat with me today and share just a smidge of the knowledge that you have about this because it is so, so exciting. And I think that the public does need to know. Yes. It's going to happen.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
It is going to happen. It is sad how much of it is money driven as to why people don't know things. But that's, you know, the root of all evil.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Yes. And I can't wait to call my mom and my sisters after this because I was telling them that I was having you on. They were like, this is right up your alley. And but they all cannot wait.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Well, thank you so much.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
And since 93, you've been briefing U.S.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
But don't you think that's insane that like you just said, you've never worked in the government before. You are an ER doctor by trade. And somehow this sort of falls into your lap. It's almost as if it's destined for you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Yeah, I watched some of it last night and it's fascinating. But my question is, and I don't want to wish anything bad, but how are you able to say what you say and, for lack of a better term, get away with it?
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
And I also feel like maybe the more vocal you are, they would have some balls of steel to do something like that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
I don't even know how to get into this, but I'm just like... Yeah, like where do you even start? Right. When did your fascination with UFOs and extraterrestrials come?
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Well, I also thought that was fascinating in the documentary, the National Enquirer aspect, because it really does make a good point that it's this tabloidy type of magazine and they would publicize stuff about UFOs, but it's sort of... Some people believe it, but it's like, oh, it's the inquirer. So you sort of get away with it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
Dr. Stephen Greer, I'm so excited to have you on. I am legitimately such a big fan of yours.
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
But do you think that like knowing all of this and knowing just how much big money is behind it, that this will ever get, will ever have full transparency?
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
And I really appreciate you coming on and chatting with me today. So for people who don't know, when did your fascination with science and UFOs and extraterrestrials come from?
Khloé in Wonder Land
UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
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UFO Secrets Exposed ft. Dr. Steven Greer
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Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
And yeah, I just feel like I want people to get to know a different side of you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
And do you think, because I know, especially back in the day, women, I don't think there were, I don't know, but I don't believe there was tons of women out there.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
But I didn't get that. Some people give off like don't fuck with right energy. Yeah, and so you're Don't fuck with right because you're very hot. I was gonna say I'm sure at these colleges They're probably like that's a lawyer cuz you I love though. Yes, you still are you're always Perfectly like you represent yourself perfectly great, but you're cool.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
Thank you like that's that's I also think what's so like captivating about you is you still have like You're a woman
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
you know I have my moments yes hello like all of us now I love it I am all for it thank you speaking of being a woman I just want to talk about well I definitely want to get to your fashion because I love the fashion of Laura but I want to talk about your morning rituals like how do you start your morning every day
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
The rest I don't have the energy for. Yeah. But I it's interesting that you go to your phone or like you work right away because I try to like not this hours. I get up at 430 or five every day, but I'm like, nope, this hour is for me. I have like coffee or do what I do.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
And I'm the same when I am like my gym time. I try to take that hour and don't touch my phone. I'm like, this is my one hour where some other people I'm working out with, they will just stop every five minutes. I'm like that to me, that's so frustrating.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
Hold on. You know, I agree. So I think you're always known for your polished style and your fashion. I mean, do you pull from someone for courtroom fashion?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
I mean, you want to... It is, but you make it look so good.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
chloe now this this last couple seasons well kim is uh starring in a tv show that's loosely based off of you loosely loosely we're gonna say loosely loosely one of my favorite things is all her fashion i don't know if you've seen it or if she's been sending you i have i have heard about the fashion when also one of the prop masters was like oh my god and not just hers
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
No, what I've seen, it's like vintage Mugler. It's so chic and incredible that to me, I'd be like, that's the best compliment.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
I hear it's amazing. And you and I both have to go to set for sure.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
That is so funny. I love that. But that is so him. He will go with the flow. He'll be like, okay.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
yeah got it I know this is my best interest that is so funny let's go to like decompressing okay because how you just said this kind of job you have to dress the part and you dress good to feel good that's how I feel and in the line of work that you're in I'm sure it can get really heavy and emotional or sometimes just like do you ever not believe in love or like and what do you do to decompress at the end of like a brutal court day
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
No, you've been someone for me, like you're always firm, even with Lamar, like you've always been someone that's like, let's try to work this out privately, try to work it out before going to court. And in a way, you're almost like a family therapist.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
I always say, if you take me in the snow, that's a trip. Right. But a vacation is the beach.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
No, and then they're dressed like, I have to go potty. I'm like, no. We're not.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
Oh, I love that. I didn't know that. Yes. What would you say is your parenting philosophy? Like, how do you handle, you have two boys. Do you try to guide them when it comes to love? Or do you think that they've seen a lot where that's sort of been their teacher?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
see anything wrong I don't either and I think it's great for them to be like look Laura Wasser's my mom I gotta have a prenup and they'll probably be like okay you're gonna protect them until the cows come home my parents are the same way like they were super chill I don't think I'm gonna be like that and I want to be I'm always like what would Kris Jenner you're gonna be like your mom I pray so.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
I hope so. Because I'm always like, how did she let go? I know True's...
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
But like when you're 15 and dating someone and like you see like the car crash about to happen, I would be like, get the fuck away from this.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
No, and I agree, and my mom was the same. She would, in that moment, would not be super brutal to us. The next day, yes, when we were coherent and could understand, we definitely would. You don't want to waste all that anger on somebody who's fucked up. I need to remember every bit of it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
so like i even have a girlfriend that can't afford in her head to get a divorce she thinks she has to go and get this crazy expensive lawyer and she can't do it but my mom was telling me about this website that you have and so yes it started in 2018 and it's called it was called it's over easy then we were acquired in 22 by a company called divorce.com and i am still their chief of divorce evolution whatever that means i'm just the face of it in some ways
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
Yes, we've done that. I feel like for a bunch of my sisters, we've done that a lot. um but i want you to sort of take me back i know that your dad has been he was before you probably i feel like respectfully you've surpassed him oh i hope he never sees this oh my god she's gonna kill me but we could duke it out in the desert but um before you would you say you took over his law firm yeah yeah
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
And you shouldn't be getting married. Correct. Right. I remember I had like no money when I met Lamar. We actually had the same business manager and we They were like, oh, you need to sign a prenup. And I was like, what's a prenup? And then when I was presented with it, I was like offended at first. And then I was like, wait, I'm not offended by this.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
Once it was explained to me, I really understood what was going on. I was like, OK, sure, let's sign it. It benefited him at the time. And in the end... In the end, it actually benefited me.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
Because our financial situations shifted. And so not that it benefited, I was protected. Right. And I think people don't realize that it's not about give me, give me, get me, get me. It's really just about protecting your own assets. And you don't know what's going to happen during that union. Or I didn't know. I had no money when I married him.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
And then I ended up having more money at the end from my career taking off and all that stuff. So... It was even if you're offended, you can be offended, be in your feelings, but it's really the best protection for both.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
You said? HelloPrenup and Divorce.com. My mom was raving about Divorce.com. I'm like, OK, you got to calm down. And my mom also wanted, I don't know if you know the stats. My mom was asking, what do you think the statistics are for the divorce rate now?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
So before you, though, he was this incredible lawyer, had a huge name for himself, just like you do. Times are different. We didn't have social media and all of that. But how did you get started? And I also know that your father wasn't that keen on having you join the family business, if you could sort of tell that story.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
So let's do it to get laid. Let's do it to get laid. Let's do it to get laid. Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland. This is the podcast for real and raw conversations that you won't want to miss. Sweet. Nice work. One take Chloe. So I'm so excited to have you here. Laura Wasser, you have been, I feel like, every one of my siblings' divorce lawyer or family law lawyer.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
Do you ever not believe in love? I still believe in love. I just believe that there's dicks out there. I have times with Tristan that I want to fucking murder him. But my children would never know that. Right. And that is what I think being a responsible adult is. I think you're always known for your style and your fashion. I definitely don't dress or work out to get a picture taken of me.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
And I also think one of your strong traits is you explain things to people. In English. Yes, in a way that people actually understand what you're saying and you don't overwhelm them with big words and lawyer lingo that someone's like,
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
Right. And I think that's the misconception. I think people, not with your firm, just in general, people think that all these celebrities are like pushing things out to the media where most of these things people would love to go under the radar. But I don't know who TMZ has on their payroll, but somehow they find out anything and everything. Yes. So for your... Divorce that you had.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
But you have two kids right by two different dads. Correct. And for was that something that was like methodically done while you didn't get married to any of them?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
And your dad, I don't know which parent your dad represented. I think it's my mom or my dad, which I don't know.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
Oh my gosh, it's major. I had a great example. My mom and my dad got along really well. And even if they weren't getting along, we never knew otherwise. And that is what I think being a responsible adult is and protecting your children. Not lying to them in any way, but having them see that you can coexist and co-parent.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
That's how it was when my dad died. I don't know if it was the day of, but the week that he was dying, he was on hospice. Bruce came to say, have a conversation with him.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
Yes, everyone. And it's so crazy how parallel our families are. But that's also why I think we just get each other.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
i agree with that i agree an interesting story that an another example of how you're such a crusader for love that i actually i remember of course but i didn't think of it when i was like i'm going to sit down with you today but either you told my producers or something like that is the story about lamar when he was in his coma yes and um lamar fell into a coma and
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
We're very interconnected, which is amazing. But not only are you the best family law attorney that there is, but I just feel like when people hear your name, you have this title, the Disso Queen, which I love.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
Even I wouldn't be able to make any medical decisions for him if I wasn't.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
But she'll be like, for love. OK, lady, thank you. God bless you. We did it for love. But that is another example that you're not like, no, we're getting divorced. You're like, yes, let's do it. Let's do it for love. Do it for love. Oh my gosh, I love that. It's a great slogan.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
I have the same one. We all do. Who were some of your mentors and inspirations?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser
any sort of queen title but also I just feel like people don't know enough about the softer side the softer side of you and I think that people just probably assume that like you love divorce and I don't know just because you fight for that but I know your eye know That you're such an advocate for love.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
But the energy you have. I'll do my pre-gym workout. But that's crazy that that's like all it takes to get you going. Yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
serious you get like your job you're committed to your job you are one of the biggest pranksters you have the craziest wildest mouth I keep that under wraps not anymore but um yeah you have the darkest sense of humor which is why I love you it is but yeah people I don't think realize that side of you like you're so professional and you know exactly what you're doing but you will fuck it up with the rest of them
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
You were also the head trainer of the Lakers. Strength and conditioning trainer for the Lakers.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
They play every major holiday. Every holiday.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
Speaking of your family, so you have three kids from your first marriage and then two more.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
You have a starting five, which is what everyone needs.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
No, I'm good. I have my two and then I just acquire other kids. You also have a lot of nieces and nephews. I do. I take care of a lot. I'm good. I feel complete starting 20. But ever since I've known you, you found a way to balance. You have this extreme work life that you do literally from 4.30 in the morning on. And then you're always at your kids' games.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
When your kids were touring college, you were on the college tours. Yeah. even though they were only going to go to Duke, I imagine.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
Oh, I didn't realize we bleeped like... Beep, beep, beep, beep. Yeah, okay. Well, I didn't realize that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
It's always been Duke blue. Correct. But how have you always found a way to balance? I don't even know if it's balance. I think your kids were your number one priority and then the rest...
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
You've always handled it so well. And I feel like if you had a crazy day, your kids would come by the gym and hang out for a little bit and do homework in the back. Or you always found a way to make it so family inclusive, but never feeling like, God, Gunnar's kids are here. It was never intrusive. It was always such a great environment. Yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
Speak a little bit about Monroe and what you guys have been going through on her health journey. And tell us about Monroe.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
I was so surprised with how subtle the symptoms were for leukemia that I would love for you, if you're comfortable, to explain that because I... When I heard, when I was like, mom, how did, I remember I was like, how did he know Monroe had that? And it was a few bruises from what?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
My cousin, Cece, who I know you've met in the past, she's had cancer for like over 30 something years on and off. And she says the same thing. You have to advocate for yourself that regardless of who the medical practitioner is, they're not you. And you have to even saying no, like, no, if you don't feel like this is the right drug for you, like it's okay to push against that.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
Harry's the best. And when Harry got cancer, he was a teenager.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
You have been, I mean, I remember my mom being at that gym, the one in off tower, right? And I would have to sit with her while she would work out and I would do homework and she would, I would see her like kick ass and yeah, what she would do in the gym. And I really think that also, like I like working out and having my kids in the gym with me, not constantly.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
I was just going to say to you, has it surprised you, Monroe's attitude through all of this?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
But every video you posted of her in the hospital going through the chemo, she was decorating her room.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
Yes. This just came to me. Well, because I'm sure so many people hire you because of who they see your training and what they see you can do for other people. But yes, you're incredibly talented. But also it takes that person to be committed, right? Yeah. Yeah. And so is there anybody you have to say names, but do you have a lot of clients that you mainly like you, you know, they're not committed.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
So you would rather sort of break up with them. So you could use that hour towards someone that's great question.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
Thank you very much. Thank you. you know.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
the intimidation part is interesting so when I I've obviously known you since I was younger but then during my marriage I started really working out when I was going through my divorce and I remember that's when I started to need those workouts and but not even like going to your gym was such a safe haven for so many people and yes you taught no cameras that's what people don't get there's no people go what about theft don't you worry I go I don't worry about that there are no cameras in the gym
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
But also you only let one person work out during that hour at a time. So you can feel as uncomfortable and vulnerable as you want. There's nobody else there.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
This big Sean song. It is. I don't fuck with you.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
Yeah. No, and that's... Ugh, I miss that gym because it literally was like our home.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
I've seen your videos, and I'm like, ah, I've got to go back there. That's fun. So I feel like I know everything about you, and I'm sure people who are, well, everything don't know everything. We'll leave that for Jess, your wife. Yeah, I want you to tell people how you got into this because I don't... You went to Duke.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
You know everything about the human body, literally everything, which is always so fascinating to me because you're not just a trainer. You know workout things. If I'm like, oh, my... Left leg is hurting. You will know exactly what muscle might be strained.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
you feel like the asshole yeah or you're fired right so the husband comes in he goes hey bro right so what you said about me yeah so how did you fall in love with fitness but also how did you get the clientele like the roster that you have
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
You've always been like that. And you've been doing this for decades. 35 years. 35 years. Uh-huh.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
and every morning so i would have the 6 or 7 a.m slot typically and you would have already been in there 4 30 doing your own workout with your guys and you always had the energy always happy always positive do you remember when you walked in early once and i was finishing my workout i can tell you right where i was in the old gym i was over you're sick
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
Well, there's no judgment for me. Yeah. Go ahead.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
Let's not. I get you're very humble. No, but I'm saying that's a big draw, right? Mike Tyson, at his prime, you were his trainer. Sylvester Stallone, at his prime.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
Oh, no, your wall. I love... So, Gunner's Gym, which we have to throw out photos of your gym. The LA one, the Tennessee one, whatever. They're insane.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
I promise you, even if it's a one-off workout, any... I promise you... You've trained anybody and everybody, whether it be from celebrity to CEO to athlete. And everyone only has great things to say about you. You are.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
I mean, your gym is fun. I miss it. It's such great energy. My gym is emulated off of your gym. Love that. Like I have the turf in the middle. Yep. I don't have the yellow, but I have the turf in the middle.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
I still have one workout bench that's yours. It has your signature on it. Do you remember you gave me that? I still have that. So it's one thing that's reminiscent of yours. Talk about how you went from being a production assistant to now doing what you're doing because I think it's fascinating.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
Oh, like health insurance? Yeah. Or gym insurance?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
I have known Gunnar, I want to say I was a teenager, like 13, 14 years old.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
And then... I mean, it's just crazy to go from that and then it's like Arnold Schwarzenegger and The Rock and the Kardashians. No, just kidding. No, but... You have to reverse that order. No, but it is crazy.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
Okay, that was your first one. Yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
But also you like movies, movie roles. People would rely on you to get them together for that role. Didn't you do Angelina from Tomb Raider?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
That's a lot of responsibility on your shoulders. Yeah.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
That's what I think too. So Gunnar has been training basically every family member, from my sisters to my mom, and we've known you forever. And you, I don't know if people know this about you, but you are a very...
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
Also the thing about you. Don't ask you to immerse. You are immersed in any piece of knowledge.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
But how the hell do you have the time?
Khloé in Wonder Land
Strength Beyond the Gym ft. Gunnar Peterson
I'd be the psycho. It's wild that, like me, I need my coffee. The pre-energy. You're sober, sober, sober, sober. I'll do an energy drink. I like it.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Introducing: Khloé in Wonder Land
Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland. I don't know how many people remember this. Oh, shit. You are one decision away from a different life. I know for a fact that it was her who sold this to the media.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Introducing: Khloé in Wonder Land
I'm willing to sacrifice anything in order to put love at the center of my life.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Introducing: Khloé in Wonder Land
I do explain to Mason how drinking affected me. I think it breaks them so much more that you forgave them. Every week, I'll sit down with fascinating guests
Khloé in Wonder Land
Introducing: Khloé in Wonder Land
I believe you're worthy of love and you deserve love.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Introducing: Khloé in Wonder Land
It wasn't nearly as bad as what I went through emotionally with the pregnancy I had with my daughter. For real conversations. You remember when we wrestled? Like straight up crazy drunk wrestled. That's how rumors get started.
Khloé in Wonder Land
Introducing: Khloé in Wonder Land
If people are broken, they have to fix themselves. This is a window into my world and the stories that make it meaningful. Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland. New episodes drop every Wednesday on X and on Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. See you there.