Dhru Purohit
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Dr. Ailey Cohen, welcome to the podcast. Today, you are here to talk about the important role of detoxifying our life. And you're going to help us do that by ranking the worst offenders, the top 10 worst offenders that are toxifying all of us. And more importantly, though, it's a silver lining because there's a lot of things you can do to protect yourself.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
That's great. So we actually have an image here, just like a standard reverse osmosis filter. If you had to rank it right on this column, we know you'd probably rank it high. Is it a B? Is it an A? Is it a supreme?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Okay, great. So tap water is an F, but the good news is reverse osmosis, which is the top of your list. There's a lot of different ways to filter. That's an S. So that can be an easy solution to people's lives to prevent them from getting exposed to all these toxins. What are like some of the top, top toxins that we know is in our tap water that reverse osmosis can filter out?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
And you're not saying that if people are drinking tap water that they're immediately necessarily feeling sick. It's more that it's a cumulative thing that takes a toll on the body over the course of their life. They may not be able to zero in, but it's going to be making them unhealthier through this exposure. Is that accurate?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Some people might be listening and saying, OK, I know that you're an expert in this space. You have the MD behind your name. You've written a book. But my parents grew up that way. Or maybe I'm in my 60s, 70s. And people were really talking about these things back in the day.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Is it really that much worse today that we have to really upend our life to prioritize these solutions to these super toxic things that are there? What would you say to that individual?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Well said. All right. I want to go to another area that's a big, big topic. And it's the idea of indoor air, poor indoor air and dust accumulation. Talk about a big picture and then let's rank it on our tiered list. What's the problem with poor indoor air and dust buildup?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Benefits like sharper cognition, healthier skin, faster muscle recovery, deeper sleep, and reduced joint pain and inflammation. Most of us spend the majority of our time indoors, missing out on all the natural light exposures our body needs to thrive, especially for maintaining a healthy circadian rhythm.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
For the average person, are they getting natural exposure to their diet? Or are you saying that most people actually might not be getting enough?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
What's the impact of this poor indoor air on the body, right? All the things that you're mentioning, the off-gassing, what is actually the impact on the body? What could go wrong?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Where would you rank it? We have a little photo here of poor indoor air coming through a vent. Where would you rank it? If you put tap water as an F, poor indoor air, where is that on the list?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
So you're going to put it on a D?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Yeah, we're on the same list. Why not? How's that? Why not? That's great.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
know we are recording this in my studio in los angeles this podcast and in this studio we've had to put a bunch of sound proofing in a lot of sound proofing has polyester you look at polyester and the chemicals that make it up it sheds it contributes to microplastics in the air and that exposure you know we sit here in this closed insulated room
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
For, you know, two hours, sometimes three hours doing a podcast, it's all about health. We don't want our guests here, you know, being exposed to all that. So in my office here in the studio, I have not only an air filter, right? Which if you can afford that, it's always a great recommendation. You can also open your windows if you're at home and let the air circulate.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
You talk about them in the book. We also have an air monitor because this space is so important. And the air monitor, we've set it to the setting that looks at not just toxins like VOCs in the air. It's also looking at a lot of people don't realize that if you have a lot of stale air that's not recirculated, That is recirculated. You can have increased levels of carbon dioxide in there.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
You can have, you know, too high of a temperature, too high of a humidity. All those things actually make us less productive. It's harder to focus. There was actually a really great study we wrote about in our newsletter talking about how they looked at high pollution days in cities. And they looked at baseball games that were taking place outdoors and on high pollution days in certain cities.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
I forgot which ones they looked at. they found that the umpires actually had a higher amount of incorrectly calling balls and strikes on those days because the suspicion was, at least there was a correlation, that these increased levels of pollution were actually making it harder for them to focus on those days. I found that like super fascinating.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Have you seen some pretty low-cost air monitors online? It's pretty easy these days. Do you have any buying tips for people that are out there?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Yeah, I think that with all filters, air filters, water filters. These home filters for your HVAC system that have the MERV rating. I think the key really is changing them out regularly. I can't tell you how often somebody says, yeah, I have a water filter and you're at their house. You're like, oh, amazing. That's great.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
You know, like you might be asking, like, when's the last time you've changed it? Especially after I taste the water. I'm like, oh, this tastes a little weird. Uh, not that you can always taste it. And they're like, I didn't even know you had a change.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
You have a framework that you talk about in the book. We're going to break that down in a second because that will help people think, help them to figure out how to think about all this and how it all works together. So we'll come right back to the tiered list, but give us that framework, the four A's.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
What's an example of a question?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
OK, great.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
That's awesome. All right. We're going to get into some of the good stuff in a minute. Sure. After iodine. But we got to talk about some of the worst offenders that are out there. They go back to your new book. You highlight in there detoxify the everyday toxins harming your immune system and how to defend against them. So one of the top things that many people do not understand.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
That's great. I love that breakdown. OK, are you up for the idea of ranking a few more things? Let's do it. That are on this top toxins list and potentially some solutions as well, too. We'll throw them in. You mentioned one, which is household cleaners, the standard ones that are out there. What is problematic about them? What ingredients are you worried about?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
And what is the impact of them on the body?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Still to this day, I stay at Airbnbs, I stay at friends' houses, I stay at family's houses. They do not understand how toxic nonstick cookware is. So talk to us about nonstick cookware, why it's so potentially bad for us, and where you'd rank it on this tiered system.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
You're going to rank the top 10 things that we can do to protect ourselves. So let's jump in if you're okay with that. I'm okay. Let's do it. Let's start off with some good news. And that is iodine. Why is iodine something that you're a fan of? And where would you rank it on our tiered system?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
So let's rank both of those. We have a green bottle here on the screen, which is representative of, you know, traditional household cleaners, a whole classification. Let's rank that. And then we have another image that is baking soda, vinegar, all the good stuff that you just mentioned.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
You don't have to get all the expensive brands, although I super appreciate that there's a lot of alternatives that are out there that people can buy in the store. You can make things at home. Like you said, you have examples of that in your book. So let's rank both of them. So let's start with the traditional household cleaners. Where are we going to drop that?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Okay, so you're going to drop it down there.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Okay, because it could be filled with all sorts of stuff.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Okay, so on the flip side. vinegar, baking soda, some other things that you mentioned. Where are we putting that?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
When I first met my wife before she was my wife, and I suggested, oh, let's use some vinegar to clean, there was this initial reaction of, That doesn't actually clean. And I'm sure you've heard that before. For the people that are out there that are like, hey, this isn't a fancy thing made in a factory. Is it actually cleaning? What is your response?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Awesome. I love that. Okay. Let's go on to the next item that we have here. It was another thing that you just mentioned, which is personal care products. This is another whole slew of items could be sunscreen. It'd be body wash. could be anything and everything that people put on their body.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
And one of the suspicions from people like yourself is that potentially one of the reasons that women might have higher degrees of autoimmune disease, it's multifactorial, could be this plethora of untested, unproven level of chemicals in traditional personal care products. Is that accurate?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
What are the worst offenders in this category of personal care products? Like, I don't want to put you on the spot to name brands, but what are typical things that you see out there and you're just like, Look, these things have known chemicals that are just not good for a human being.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
What's the problem with fragrance?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Yeah. If you don't have kids or you don't have friends that have kids, you may not realize that it's super in style right now for young men to be using all the skincare that's out there and they're shopping and they're looking at stuff and they're trying to have chiseled jaws.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
And I think I even heard a story about you saying that your son was using some product that he got to extend his eyelashes and make them look nice. And this is like a super fit guy's guy lacrosse player. So yeah, The bros are doing this.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
I've avoided so many of these things for such a long time, things like cologne. And I'm generally in an environment where a lot of my friends, especially here in Los Angeles, are not using those things on a regular basis. And now when I come across it, it's like I have an instant headache.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Now, is that placebo? Is that something else? I don't know, but it's real. Like, I feel like I have a headache.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Can somebody send the memo to Uber? Because I don't think anybody reads magazines anymore, right? Oh, it's insane. Uber is a big challenge. You step into the wrong Uber.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
OK, so for Uber, for our audience, rank these personal products, which includes all sorts of things, colognes. skincare stuff. I know it's a hodgepodge of things, but all the ones that match the description that you just shared, where would you put it on our tier rank system?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Along with polluted indoor air, off gassing and these nonstick pants.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
You've been sprinkling in a bunch of different solutions to counteract a lot of these things that are super toxic, that are ruining our lives over the long haul, right? And especially if we have vulnerable kids around us, elderly. You talked about dry cleaning and all the data that's out there from people like Dr. Ray Dorsey and his group about how it's a known carcinogen.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
A lot of the tetrachlorohydrin and other stuff in there.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
That can increase our risk of Parkinson's, potentially Alzheimer's disease, cancers. Right. So, you know, there's a lot of challenges. Let's talk. Let's give people a little bit more hope. Right. You've already been sprinkling some hope. So let's talk about dry cleaning. What would you be doing instead of traditional dry cleaning?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Can I ask you a question about that? Sure. I mean, especially in a town like L.A., you see eco cleaners. Dry cleaning, you see, or, you know, I don't know about organic, but you definitely see eco. And they'll say things like, you know, we don't use these harsh chemical solvents. I'm kind of hearing you saying that
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
you haven't really seen that backed up with anything, or that there could be something there?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
That's awesome. Okay, great. So that's an alternative on a whole list of things that you can do instead of traditional dry cleaning.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
One of the things you talk about in the book is avoiding microwaving, especially in plastic. Yeah. Right. Do you feel like people are getting the memo about that? Like when you look around the people that you know, what state do you live in again? New Jersey. In New Jersey.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
I think I remember like growing up because I grew up in Delaware. Yeah. I think I remember like a terrible nickname about Jersey was always called Dirty Jersey.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
New Jersey is really nice.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Totally. That's that's right. That's right.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
The garden state.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
So I was going to say, are people getting the memo about not? microwaving in plastic and then secondarily something else you talk about which is you know try to avoid when you can not putting foods in plastic in your refrigerator especially if it's something that you're going to be using that's heated talk about those two things
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
So where would be the top places that people would be heating? Microwave would be one. Are you worried about people regularly putting, you know, plastic Tupperware in like the dishwasher?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
That's your version of bottle service.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
So let's rank the idea of switching out plastic with glass and stainless steel, whether it's your water bottle, whether it's your food containers. Where would you rank that on our list here?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
That's awesome. I love that. On that note here, in the book you talk about BPA-free cans and bottles. Now, I want to ask you, most people have heard about BPA. It's not a great thing. If we can avoid it, awesome. And I've also had a lot of people come on this podcast say that just because something's BPA free doesn't actually mean that it's any better for you.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
They might have a bunch of other plastics that are there that have not been named like BPA that could still be a part of it. So is BPA free still something that we should use as a signaling idea that something is safer for us?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
So tell us, is this true or false? I think I came across a study saying that the worst type of nonstick cookware is the ones that have scratches on them.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
That's great. All right, let's pivot to the topic of food. Yeah. Everybody knows that our American diet that's now being exported out to the world is ultra processed, high calorie, and everybody knows that's not great for you from a toxins perspective. Where do you think people, and you can answer this any way you want to, most people, are they getting more toxins from their ultra-processed diet?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Are they getting more toxins from, let's say, things like water and nonstick cooking? Where would you rank ultra-processed foods as a constant source of toxins in somebody's life who eats a lot of ultra-processed foods?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
So you're saying organic is worth it. It's not perfect. Right. But it's as close to a standard that we have that limits the worst offenders. For sure. And people say that, hey, listen, they still use pesticides with organic and there's different ways to kind of get around that. But again, it's a lot better than the known pesticides that are out there that are being used on conventional foods.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
So with all that being said, where would you rank regularly getting, and it could be frozen, which allows it to be more economical. Where would you rank regularly, including organic food into your diet in terms of its benefits on this list?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
So it's not just important. It's that important.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Are there specific foods that are amazing at supporting the body through its natural detoxification process? For sure. Do you want to highlight a few of them?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
And their benefits?
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
Sprouts.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
What are your thoughts on this? You know, people talk about, and I've seen the data about how important omega-3s are. And I've always been very proud that I'm in the upper percentile when I've got like my omega quant test done, which measures your fatty acid breakdown, omega-369. It also looks at trans fat, no affiliation.
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The Top 10 Toxins that Are Wreaking Havoc on Your Health and How to Protect You and Your Family from Hidden Toxins in the Home with Dr. Aly Cohen
I just think it's a great, nice test you can do considering how impactful omega-3s are to overall health. I was eating like, you know, one to two servings of fish on a regular basis. And that's how I stayed in that sort of upper percentile. I believe I was like eight or uh, or nine on like the ranking of where it's at.
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And then one day I went in for my, my normal sort of functional medicine checkup. And the doctor that I was working with was like, Hey, listen, you know, your mercury is pretty elevated here. You're, and it's, I mostly eat salmon and cod, some sardines. I'm not eating big fish like swordfish and tuna and other stuff. Um, and my mercury, I believe it was through quest. It was blood based mercury.
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Um, And it was, I think on the scale that was there, it was like 13, which was out of the reference range and was considered high. And... I have a few different doctors that I work with and I had another doctor that I went to and I said, is this an issue? Should I be worried about this? Should I do something? Because originally they weren't sure, like, where's this exposure coming from? Right.
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That's always the question. Are you being environmentally exposed? Did we build out this new studio and something is like exposing me to that? Is it something else? So he said, let's just try the obvious. Just stop eating fish for like six weeks.
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You can still have fish oil because the fish oils that are out there are largely made in a centrifuge and they're spinning out things like mercury or other issues that are part of that, right? That's pretty standardized now.
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Yeah. I even saw in that one study, we'll link it to in the show notes, I don't have it here in front of me, that now as the awareness is increasing about microplastics, that a single scratch in one study, this is emerging science, you know, we don't have a standardized way of looking at
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Depends on the brand, but largely from what I've heard from Dr. Bill Harris, who's been on this podcast before, who is an industry expert, he said, This is pretty standard now, unless you're getting really low cost supplements from like China or somewhere else, right? So again, get a good brand, which I naturally would do. And I was having fish oil instead of having fish.
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And I waited six weeks and I retested and my mercury was zero, right? There's different theories that are out there. What do you think about that as somebody who's deep in this research in this space?
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Album fillings.
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microplastics there's different labs that are doing it they all kind of do it a little bit differently but there's a lot of cause for concern and a single scratch released 10 000 particles of microplastics into the food and water that they were testing that seems pretty nuts are you sure you want to keep it as a seed you want to bump it down to maybe a d oh gosh we could we could bump it down to a d i mean we're really talking about you know the lesser of multiple evils here and by
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Yeah. I also came across an article. I'll send it to you afterwards. It could be something we discuss in the future one day. This was from Chris Kresser. Are you familiar with him? I know the name, yeah. His background is in Chinese medicine, but he's really one of the top educators in the field of functional medicine. Very thoughtful, very evidence-based.
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And his sort of thinking was he's not as worried about The mercury that is in smaller fish, which, again, I was eating primarily wild caught salmon, not even like farm salmon that was coming from very reputable and clean sources.
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He says that when you have high levels of selenium, which would also be coming from this, that it creates a little bit of a buffer and that the mercury is more transient inside of the body. So as long as it's not a chronic thing that's there in terms of leaking from amalgam fillings or dental work, environmental things, if it's coming in the form of food, it might be elevated, but it's transient.
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And that with the right other minerals, nutrients, and things like selenium, it's less likely to be something that binds inside of the body. I'd love to send it over to you to take a look.
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Please.
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By the way, on our tier ranking system, you can have multiple Ds, multiple Fs, multiple Cs. So, you know, I'm not trying to push you.
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That's awesome. You know, one on the food list, and thank you for breaking those supplements down. One of the food lists that you didn't touch on as much is fermented foods. What's the role of fermented foods when it comes to not only supporting our gut microbiome, but playing a role in the detoxification process?
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Yes, because we'll have multiple solutions.
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All right, so we're dropping it down?
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Okay, we're dropping it down to a D. We have the microplastic-filled cookware. And again, this is not to make anybody scared, which you're so great. You're so great about talking about this subject. And we're going to get into your why and your background here in a little bit.
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Talk a little bit about your why. What brought you into this line of work that you not only wrote a book about this topic, but that you spend so much of your time on dieting? Literally, guerrilla marketing and education of young people, physicians, who often are the last to know about a lot of these subjects. Why do you care about this so much? Tell us about your story.
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The goal here is to have an honest conversation about how problematic certain things are, how problematic certain things aren't, and most importantly, the solutions so that we don't have to spend all day thinking about this. It can be more effortless, especially if we take our time in approaching it, and we can ultimately end up living a healthier, happier life.
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Were you able to find out what were the unique combination of things or environmental factors that made your dog sick and ultimately having him pass away?
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Wow. That's heartbreaking. I think, you know, so many families can relate. They may not have had the same exact situation, but they look at pets and they're like, why are all these pets getting cancer? There's not like
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wild dogs or wolves that get cancer at those levels and people are scratching their head and it's like well they drink the same water as us so they get exposed to a lot of those chemicals they have these crazy toys dog food and pet food is often some of the worst processed food that's out there in cans like in cans and other stuff yeah you know it's filled with all sorts of junk yeah
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Often it will be filled with a lot of pesticides. It's like the low totem pole. It's exciting to see so many, you know, healthy pet food companies coming out and making appropriately. There's even this movement that's been there for a long time with dogs and cats called the barf diet. biologically appropriate raw food diet.
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So it's focusing on getting dogs and cats more to their like natural type of, you know, diet that's there and less sort of processed, highly processed kibble and other things like that. But a lot of people are out there and they're scratching their heads and they're looking out the world and they're like, I know everybody's telling me this is normal, but something crazy is going on.
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We actually linked to some emerging study and correlative study that's out there showing that mothers that had the highest levels of BPA in their bloodstream had higher incidences and likelihood of having a child on the autism spectrum. I don't know if you've seen any of this data.
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Do you want to add anything to that?
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Talk to us about that. Give us a snapshot of your view on the space and how environmental factors, which can come from a whole host of different things, are or are not playing a role in this, what seems to be a massive increase in kids on the spectrum.
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And nobody can fault anybody for that.
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Why is it important? What does it do to the body? And why is it so important with detoxification?
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Do you think just to go back to the question, do you think that the rise in autism is directly connected to this toxic soup that we're in?
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Yeah. Amazing. Let's talk about a few other offenders. All right. This is one of the top things you talk about inside of your book, which is fantastic, by the way. And that's the idea of tap water. Right. First, talk to us about the problems with most tap water out there.
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You know, as we're winding down for today's interview, I wanted to give you an opportunity. Is there anything else, whether it's something super bad or something super good for us that deserves at least an honorable mention? I think we were pretty thorough. We covered a lot of items here. We ranked a lot of things on top of this list.
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Anything that we didn't rank on the images, we talked about as part of that. Anything that you feel that deserves an honorable mention that we didn't hit?
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one thing that I get from you, and I've known you for a few years, but I think that one thing that comes across very strong, even though you are a deep expert in this space, you also don't think about these things. It's not constantly consuming your day-to-day.
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And I think part of your final message here, and I'd love you to add on it, take it in a different direction if you want to, is that if you spend a little time, you know, get your book, check it out, Comes out in May, right? That's the publication. You can pre-order.
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We have a link in the show notes.
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Go through a few things. Pick out maybe some of the recipes. Make some swaps. Do the questionnaire. If you spend a little bit of time, you spend a little bit of time so you don't really have to think about things too much. And it can seem daunting. But if you spend a little bit of time, it's almost like it becomes automatic behavior.
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And there's only a few categories of things that actually truly matter. Is that, am I getting that right?
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Sure, absolutely. Okay. So what's super common these days is people have their coffee maker that's automatic.
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And I've yet to find one that's metal. So I use a espresso machine that's all metal. It was actually a nice gift that a friend got for me. You know, there's what's the best way to make coffee and tea in the morning? What should people be looking for?
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I love it. The book is out there, Detoxify the Everyday Toxins Harming Your Immune System and How to Defend Against Them. We have the link in the show notes. You mentioned your handles online. I believe at one point in time, you also had a podcast. Yeah, I still do. You still do.
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I saw the study. It was all over the headlines.
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And the title of the podcast?
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Yeah. Well, you do a good job of presenting it. And you did that on today's podcast. You made it super simple. We ranked a ton of stuff, a lot of things that are bad for you, but a ton of stuff that is actually good for you that you talk about in the book. Dr. Cohen, thank you for being on the podcast and congratulations on your book.
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problematic exposure that no one really gives a lot of attention to and there's plenty of solutions but yes that is my number one so where would you rank it tap water in most big cities let's say city like los angeles that just had these crazy fires we had a massive amount of fire retardant That obviously saved a lot of structures and we're thankful for that.
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But all of that ended up being washed into the sewer systems. Where would you rank in the United States tap water that is in most municipalities that people are drinking?
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It's got the lowest ranking right now out of all of them. And because it has the lowest ranking, I feel like we just got to take a pause here. And you said that there's a number of solutions that are there. Let's actually take a moment to talk about some of those solutions. What should people be doing instead of traditional tap water?
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Dr. Elena Gross, welcome to the podcast. You know, you're here to shine the light on a common neurological disorder that's destroying the lives of a billion people globally. In fact, since the age of 14, you've suffered from this disorder and it inspired you to go on a mission to not only discover its root causes and
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Well, let's tease that out a little bit. Talk about our modern civilization that we all live in and that you grew up in. What do you feel specifically when you look at the way that we eat or move or actually don't move the substances that many of us have in our life on a
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What are those things specifically doing, if you could identify some of them, that are contributing to this civilization disease? Because it's a major distinction.
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I'm sure at some point in time early in your career, people were just telling you, or even when you were before you were at Oxford and then ended up in your current program that you were in, I'm sure people told you that, hey, migraines are just genetic. That's just what it is. Your grandmother had them, you had them. But you learn that that's not actually the case.
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While there can be a genetic component that could be there, it's not primarily driven by genetics. So how is our modern lifestyle driving this so that 1 billion people are going through it? Walk us through some of those things. What are those things in our lifestyle doing that is causing this situation?
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At your worst, I believe, from your story that I heard, you were having like 20 days of like debilitating migraines. Yes.
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Well, I'm glad you mentioned it because there are more and more people that are like yourself that are out there that are suffering. I've had many friends tell me how bad their migraines are, and they're just looking for any sliver of hope that can point them in the right direction so that they can actually function and show up. And many of them feel as you felt, which is...
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Why is this happening to me? And also too, how could this be happening to a human being and the human body? Like, were we meant to be living this way? No. So something is actually going on and it takes a lot of trial and error to get there.
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Why I'm bringing that up and why I appreciate what you shared is that you've mentioned that it's taken a lot of trial and error to dial things in so that you could be at this place where you're no longer suffering anywhere near the Thank you so much. Diet is probably number one or number two up there with the stress that's there, right? And stress includes a lot of different components.
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Now, before we go into your story, just give us a little bit of a preview. Our audience has heard a lot about the role that lifestyle and diet can play when it comes to all sorts of brain conditions, Alzheimer's disease, all the way up to headaches. And even in this instance, now you're talking about migraines. What are some of the top root causes?
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But typically, I've heard you and other people in your field start off with a diet because it's one of the biggest things that either underfuels the brain or overfuels the brain with the wrong items. So you had this aha moment where you had read this feature on epilepsy. and had seen that the ketogenic diet essentially was originally created to help children in particular that had epilepsy.
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Give us some of the iterations that you had tried with your diet, things that you added in, things that you removed, and ultimately what the right combination was that you found dietary-wise that made the biggest difference for you and many of the people that you talk to and educate. All right, newsflash.
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If you don't have good blood sugar, meaning if your blood sugar is out of whack, which means that your metabolic health is out of whack, you're going to suffer. It's truly one of the biggest predictors of longevity. So how do we know if we have good blood sugar and good metabolic health?
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I strongly believe that you can't manage what you don't measure and metabolic health can be difficult to measure. This is why I use Levels and I've been using Levels for years to track my daily health metrics and habits and ultimately to optimize my blood sugar and optimize my metabolic health.
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Levels helps me fundamentally understand how my food and my lifestyle decisions are impacting my health for the better or for the worse.
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Levels is not just something that helps me optimize my energy levels during the day, but it also helps me make an investment in my long-term health because so many of our modern chronic diseases you've heard on this podcast so many times are directly linked to metabolic health, including diabetes, prediabetes, heart disease, Alzheimer's disease, and so many more.
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I use Levels with a continuous glucose monitor to get my We'll be right back. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much for having me. Metabolic health is about glucose, but it's about so much more. And now Levels helps you keep track of it all. This is a great time to get started.
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We're not going to go super deep, but give us a little bit of a preview. What are some of the top root causes that you found that significantly contribute to migraines?
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That's levels.link slash drew to get two free months of the Levels annual membership for free. I don't know how long this offer will last. So if you've been interested in learning more about your metabolic health and getting your blood sugar in check, now is the time to get started.
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and heal yourself, but also how you could take the learnings and apply to other brain disorders and mental health conditions even. So tell us what this disorder is and give us a sense of how bad the problem is for so many people that suffer from it.
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Yeah, no, it's a lot. And I have a bunch of follow up questions on that. That was fantastic. So a couple of things that I'll highlight and I'll go backwards and I'm going to say it. And if I got something wrong, please correct me.
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Masterclass on the Root Causes of Migraines and A Four Pillar Plan to Tackle Them Head On with Dr. Elena Gross
So the first thing that we were talking about is that my podcast listeners and many people in our community have heard the benefits of a ketogenic diet, especially when it comes to various brain conditions that people are working with. But one of the first sort of things that you mentioned is that strict keto, some people may do great on it for what they're dealing with.
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And other people, in particular, if it's their – I think you mentioned the liver. If the liver has been taxed, if the liver has been stressed – And in your case, it looks like it primarily was through medication and using medication for a long period of time, which was essential at the time. And you didn't really know any different. There was already so much stress on your liver.
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So a high ketogenic diet, in addition to it being, you know, a little bit challenging from a lifestyle factor to follow, it was actually stressing your body out a little further. How long is that correct in my understanding?
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Right. And I think that's good for people to know because the ketogenic diet can be very powerful. And largely in the beginning, even from a lot of people that were in the space, it would be like, hey, go on a ketogenic diet and kind of stay there. And now more and more people have been talking about, of course, use it as a therapeutic approach, tweak it to where it needs to be tweaked.
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Lean on some other tools that could be part of it. Exogenous ketones could be one aspect of it, right? We'll double click on that in a second and explain what that is, but personalize it to get to the place ultimately where there's some form of metabolic flexibility, not just because it's easier to
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to do long-term to be a human being and to be able to get, you know, to not only get all your fuel just from a, you know, a high fat 70, 80, 90% fat is where your calories are coming from. But that also, it could be, um, beneficial to your body in other ways, to be able to introduce some carbs and other things like that from whole food sources that are there for you.
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So that's one important point that I think that's there that's good for people to realize from anybody that's thinking about the ketogenic diet.
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Let's talk about the toxins piece. You mentioned it briefly, but when did you figure out that toxins like heavy metals or other toxins... were maybe a big part of why you were still feeling not well, even though you significantly improved from just going on a more balanced blood sugar diet, which is pillar is step one is pillar one in your sort of four pillar approach.
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Masterclass on the Root Causes of Migraines and A Four Pillar Plan to Tackle Them Head On with Dr. Elena Gross
When did you realize that toxins could be a crucial part of it and need to be addressed?
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about exogenous ketones a lot of people on my podcast have heard the term different experts have brought it on and talked about it i also talked about my own dabbling and how sometimes i'll take things like before i do a podcast or i have like a really intense work session you know knock on wood i'm not suffering from migraine or any brain disorder but when i really need to go in the zone i've used products like ketone iq i'll take that and i'll go and like
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Masterclass on the Root Causes of Migraines and A Four Pillar Plan to Tackle Them Head On with Dr. Elena Gross
my brain power just like significantly increases, but still some people don't understand fully what is it and how is it made and why is it useful? So just give us the basics of exogenous ketones. So I'll summarize and you can kind of pick it from there.
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you realized that an strict ketogenic diet was maybe a little bit stressful for you, but still you wanted to be able to have some of these ketones, which you can explain that your body can use as fuel. If you could just recap how your body and your brain is using them for fuel, that'd be great. But you had to have an external source. So you mentioned that ketones
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Creating these ketones in a lab and getting an exogenous external source could be a way for you to get the benefits of a ketogenic diet without having to stick to a strict ketogenic diet. So explain what are exogenous ketones and how does your body use that as fuel to be healthy and thrive?
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Masterclass on the Root Causes of Migraines and A Four Pillar Plan to Tackle Them Head On with Dr. Elena Gross
So when it comes to the ketones that you offer, they're primarily designed for individuals that are suffering from migraines or other brain disorders. Is that correct?
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You know, I watched a video that you made just continuing down this line about how important other key nutrients are. And you talked about micronutrients and also, you know, different things that could play a huge role when it comes to people's severity of migraines. And one of them that you mentioned was magnesium in the video. Can you just talk about that?
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Masterclass on the Root Causes of Migraines and A Four Pillar Plan to Tackle Them Head On with Dr. Elena Gross
And are there other nutrients like that that you feel are super important for people to realize who are suffering from migraines? I mean, magnesium is important for everybody, but tell us why does it play a role for people who are dealing with migraines?
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Masterclass on the Root Causes of Migraines and A Four Pillar Plan to Tackle Them Head On with Dr. Elena Gross
Well, let's go into your story a little bit, and then we're going to come back to some of these root causes and your recommendations, including your four-pillar plan and some of the top things. I think I saw a video of you recently that you made five things that people should absolutely avoid who are suffering from migraines, which I thought was fantastic.
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You know, you mentioned a super interesting fact that I didn't know about, and I have some friends that suffer from migraines ongoingly, is that you found for yourself, and again, this is your story, but you've probably seen themes with other people that... When it comes to oxidative stress, there are certain things that were an immediate trigger, right?
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So initially you had mentioned that patient that came in that was doing the fast that you gave the cookies to, and then they ended up getting sick again, that they noticed, like many people notice that red wine is often a trigger for individuals, right? So that's pretty well established. That's pretty well known.
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You have wine now, now that you've sort of fixed your metabolism and you've gotten your oxidative stress under control, right? But you mentioned that iron, so like cooking in a cast iron pan or having, as I'm understanding, like an iron tablet, right? If somebody is low on iron, take that. That was actually your number one trigger that you noticed for yourself. Have you seen that for other people?
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Masterclass on the Root Causes of Migraines and A Four Pillar Plan to Tackle Them Head On with Dr. Elena Gross
And are there other triggers like that that people have that they may not be aware of that you've seen from this community of people that you're bringing together, which are all individuals that are suffering from migraines?
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Masterclass on the Root Causes of Migraines and A Four Pillar Plan to Tackle Them Head On with Dr. Elena Gross
But let's set the stage a little bit and let's talk about your story. I mentioned in the opening that since the age of 14, something was going on and you actually didn't even know what it was. Take us from there. January's here. Can you believe it? How are you doing with your New Year's intentions? As I like to say, one of my big intentions every single year is to focus on my well-being.
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Here's a weird one on that, if I could interject for a second. Yeah, please. I used to have a former... employee in one of my companies that said that anytime that there was a thunderstorm, afterwards, her migraines would trigger very heavily. And when we were looking into it a little bit more, it's like when there's a rainstorm, thunderstorm, there's more ozone that's out there.
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And ozone can be oxidative to the body. And it could lead to, she would just notice there'd be a rainstorm and thunderstorm, and she'd be like... All right, my, you know, my migraines are going to flare up a little bit. And there's that connection again, or more free radicals in the body.
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These are all part of this personalized and individual approach where, yes, there are common themes that you are highlighting through all your work and you're sharing your story. But so many people have little, when your body is sick, there's all sorts of things that could play a role. Some people might have a histamine issue. Some people might have an oxalate issue.
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Some people might have crazy migraines after a thunderstorm. How are you, or talk a little bit about how you're sort of bringing together a community of individuals that can all kind of like learn from each other, right? It's starting top down. through your YouTube. And obviously you have your products, which we'll talk about how people can find those in a second.
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But I'm hearing part of what you're doing is you're trying to just bring people together so that even in your Instagram comments, I've seen individuals sort of sharing ideas and thoughts of things that have worked for them or haven't worked for them, which I think can benefit everybody that's suffering from migraines.
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And we all know that the foundation of well-being is a good thing. Personally, if I had a list of a few things that would significantly improve my sleep or my friend's sleep and overall well-being, it's taking the number one mineral for that, which also helps me personally on so many levels that I can't even fully describe. Yes, I'm talking about magnesium.
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You may not have it yet, but I know one thing that people regularly look for is that it can be, you know, there's a spectrum of where people are at and some people are more open to being their own detective. Yeah. part of the conversation today is that everybody kind of has to be a little bit of a detective in their journey. And then some people might need a practitioner or multiple practitioners.
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I know a major request that I get from people that are in that sort of space of dealing with migraines. They're always asking for like, Hey, who are good practitioners that they could work with? You know, whether it's in person in Europe, in America, or even remotely, I don't know if you have a list or that one day you may put that list together.
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Actually, I'm talking about magnesium breakthrough by BiOptimizer. The seven different forms of magnesium in this supplement are involved in over 800 different biochemical reactions in the body. A few years ago, studies showed it was 400, then it went to 600, now it's 800 different biochemical reactions. Pretty much every function in your body gets upgraded when you take magnesium.
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Yeah, well, one fun fact I heard from one of your other interviews is that the migraine center that you were sent to as a kid that really was just doing the best they could but didn't really make a difference for you, they've now reached out to you to get some more education for their patients and their doctors that are there. So I thought that's really cool. Yes.
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Yeah, there's only so many things you can work on at the same time.
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Well, while we wait for your list, we've had Dr. Georgia Ede on this podcast from Harvard University. She has a really great list on her website where you can find practitioners. That includes coaches, medical doctors. You can sort by state. Some do telemedicine. Some don't. You can see different specialties.
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If I was suffering from migraines and I'm looking while we wait for your list one day when it comes out there, I think her database would be great because at least you know that those are open-mind doctors that are going to use a food-first approach to
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They're going to be running a lot of the blood work that you're going to be talking about and are going to be open-minded even if they don't have a crazy amount of education in migraines. They're going to help you sort of navigate. So that could be a good list that we could link to below. In addition to your white paper, that we'll link to that, the course that you mentioned, your YouTube.
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And then where do people go to find your product? And before you mention it, I just want to say – you know, I have no affiliation with you or your company, but I love when people are creating products, they're creating solutions for this community because that's going to be, that's a huge part of the solution.
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And anytime somebody has created something that's worked for them, I want them to shout it through the rooftop and be able to talk about it for anybody that's out there that would be looking for a solution. So I am an entrepreneur and in addition to being a podcast host. So I love the entrepreneurial spirit and people creating solutions.
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We need more solutions that are out there for a whole host of things. So congratulations on taking that leap. You took two major leaps. You left Oxford and you went to a different program. I'm sure that was a major thing. You know, university is supposed to be the place where innovation happens, but you got told that, oh, there's not enough for you to get approval for this innovation here.
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Masterclass on the Root Causes of Migraines and A Four Pillar Plan to Tackle Them Head On with Dr. Elena Gross
You got to go somewhere else. Another leap is you went from, you know, solving your own issue to being an entrepreneur. So going from academic to being an entrepreneur, that's a major leap. So congratulations on that.
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Masterclass on the Root Causes of Migraines and A Four Pillar Plan to Tackle Them Head On with Dr. Elena Gross
So remind us again, what's the name of the product and where do people go to get it if they are somebody who's suffering from, you know, any of these things that we've been talking about today?
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from the quality of your sleep to your brain function, the metabolism to stress. And let's face it, if your 2025 New Year's resolutions is to focus on your health, as it is for me every single year, how are you really going to be able to achieve all your goals without quality sleep and stress management support? That's the big question.
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Yeah, I'm totally game to try. As I mentioned to you, I'm a fan of ketones. You know, I've tried a bunch of different products and I'm game to try. So for instance, for myself, if I'm not somebody who's suffering from any migraines or headaches or other stuff, would it still be generally something that would be safe to be able to consume?
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Dr. Elena Gross, this was fantastic. Thank you so much for sharing your journey, talking about this mission that you've been on to not only heal yourself, but to help so many people. Again, a billion people. I think you mentioned that 15% of the population that's out there is suffering from some form of migraine. For some people, it's not crazy chronic.
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And for a lot of people, it's so chronic that it is, as you mentioned, and more so for women than even men. It's one of the main reasons that people are on disability is they literally cannot function.
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And that's crazy that in this day and age, 2025, with all the advancements that we have with AI, with everything else, we're still dealing with some basic fundamental things that are actually quite simple. They come back to brain metabolism and mitochondrial health. And if we can tweak those in and dial it in, you can really get rid of a lot of suffering.
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And that's the hope that you've brought to today's podcast. So I want to thank you for that.
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Masterclass on the Root Causes of Migraines and A Four Pillar Plan to Tackle Them Head On with Dr. Elena Gross
Fantastic. Well, thank you again for being on the podcast.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
Dr. Nicholas Fabiano, welcome to the podcast. You know, there is a pretty mind-blowing belief that you have about treating depression. And that belief is that most people, including many medical practitioners, have no idea that exercise can be as powerful as a tool to treat depression as talk therapy and medication. Can you expand on that?
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Ideally, if you can find somebody who has some background in working out themselves, because if they, as a physician or a healthcare provider is working out, they're more likely to be prioritizing and recommending this as part of their treatment program. Can you expand on that?
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That's well said. And as people that, as myself as being somebody that's in the typically the integrative, holistic, functional medicine space. And I have a bias towards that direction because my own life experiences, I also don't want to create stigma for somebody who feels like they want to seek out medication. I've had many friends seek out medication.
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And you don't want to create a situation where you are making people feel bad for seeking that out. And that goes to my next question here, which is that, Another powerful thing that you talk about is that for individuals that are on medication, medication often comes with side effects.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
I'd love for you to talk about what those side effects are, and more importantly, how when you combine medication and lifestyle interventions like physical activity, the physical activity can help counteract some of those side effects that you're dealing with.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
You know, I want to take a moment here. I know there's a little bit more groundwork to cover, but I actually think this is a good opportunity to get into the prescription for exercise and your FIT protocol. So if you wouldn't mind, explain what FIT is and walk us through the acronym of the recommendations you guys covered in your paper.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
Yeah, when I was reading your paper, that definitely came through that you don't want to discourage anybody from getting started. But part of what also came through as somebody who's not trained in this, not a physician, but is looking at the role that these recommendations play in somebody's life who's dealing with depression.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And I shared about my journey in the newsletter that I wrote about your work recently. where I talked about how I was in early college and I was going through an existential crisis of what do I want to do? And I didn't feel like I fit in with my peer group at the time. And I wanted to become an entrepreneur and I wasn't sure if I wanted to finish school.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And I went through this period of time where I wasn't given a formal diagnosis of depression, even though my father worked at a psychiatric facility, more on the business administration side of it. I definitely felt like I was going through some mild level of depression, which I know is a collection of symptoms.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And I think I would have met the standard for those symptoms if I would have seen a physician. And the first thing that I did during that time when I was dealing with all that is I lowered my physical activity just spontaneously. I didn't choose to do that. I was kind of more introverted. I wasn't spending time with people as much. I didn't feel the motivation to want to go and do things.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
I didn't have my typical sports activities that I would have in high school. And a lot of my friends went to different colleges. So we were all spread out. I kind of probably would benefit from a little bit of tough love from somebody, or at least the type of love that was there that said, look, physical activity is going to be so important.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
As you move through this period of time in your life, which has many layers to it, I'm not going to tell you that you need to go do resistance training five days a week, but I am going to say that if you are spontaneously moving a lot less as you are right now, it's going to be that much harder to get better.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
Whether you decide to go on medication or whether you don't decide to go on medication at the time, I didn't go on any, any medication. Um, and I'm not going to tell you that you need to go do resistance training five days And so what I'm getting to is that I definitely see the statement that you want to make for people that we don't want to shame anybody so that they don't get started.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
But at the same time, physicians, practitioners have to understand that if they can gradually get the patient up to these levels, that's where they're going to see these biggest benefits. And why that's so important is for my last check on the statistics, um, Depression is one of the most debilitating diagnoses that we have on society. It's one of the main reasons that people leave the workforce.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
It has a huge economic toll. And on top of that, the toll that it takes on a patient's life and everybody that they love around them. So it's like both sides of the coin. It's, yes, we don't want to die. say anything that prevents you from just doing something, any physical activity is good enough. And at the same time, your job is to present the data.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And the data shows that if you can get up to these levels that you mentioned earlier, as part of the fit protocol, you are going to most likely based on the evidence, see some freaking amazing results.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
One area that I've been a little bit confused about that I'd love to get your thoughts on is that, as you mentioned, the body of work on exercise has largely been done on cardio because it's easier often to do. Not all facilities or research centers might have access or have the understanding of working weight training, resistance training.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
So that's why the body of research shows that cardio, and typically people think of cardio, immediately they go to running, but as part of that, that also could include swimming and rowing and other things like that, riding your bike.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
Now, one thing that I've seen personally is that when I hear cardio and the benefits of cardio, and you need to make sure you have some cardio in your sort of workout routine, I think heart rate generally, right?
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
But when I monitor my heart rate while I'm doing resistance training, and when I turned 40 a few years ago, I got very much committed to resistance training on a regular basis, going in about three to four times a week. My heart rate is always up when I'm resistant training and it might come down for a period of time, but sometimes my heart rate
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
When I'm doing like a leg press goes even higher than what my heart rate would be. I really hate running long distance, but doing something like biking, cardio or other stuff. So at the end of the day, I have a bias and preference now in my life because I was under muscled for so long and I was fall into the skinny fat category.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
Since I grew up Indian vegetarian and I'm trying to fix all that now. So I'm a bias towards resistance training, but I feel like I'm still getting massive amounts of cardio and the mood boosting benefits and the metabolic benefits that come from adding slow and steady, more muscle mass that's there. Is that a right way for me personally to be thinking about?
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
One of the things that you talk about online on X and we've linked to your profile, as well as a little bit in the paper that you published recently, which we covered in our newsletter, which is called how to prescribe physical activity for depression, which I found super fascinating is that even though everybody knows many doctors know that physical activity helps with depression, they actually don't know how to give the specifics in terms of recommendations.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
I want to take a quick sidebar here to talk about something that you've recently been publishing on that's related to this. And that's the topic of stacking things like exercise with one of the most common and evidence-based supplements that's out there, which is creatine. Talk about how those two things can be combined together and also play a role potentially in things like depression.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And that often leaves patients feeling that they leave an appointment with the recommendations of, hey, lose a little bit of weight, eat a little bit healthier, and move a little bit more. But that's a super broad spectrum of recommendations that are there.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And in your paper, what I found super exciting, which we're going to cover today in a little bit, is you go into your FITT protocol, F-I-T-T, and we're going to break down the specifics. And the punchline of it all is, is that there are actually...
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
While we wait for more research that's out there, who knows if you do it or somebody else does it. But generally, the recommendations for creatine are for people to start around maybe five grams. If you have maybe a sensitive stomach, sometimes creatine can create some loose stools for people. So you can kind of parse out that dose, maybe two and a half grams, two and a half grams.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And generally, creatine is seen as well-researched, well-tolerated, minus the GI issues. Is there any challenge for somebody who's listening today who either is diagnosed with depression or might feel that they're going through a period of time in their life where they're dealing with low mood? Is there any challenge of them just starting creatine and starting to add to that?
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
Are there any contraindications with medications or anything else? All being said that you are not anybody's physician and this is not medical advice.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
Even though any type of exercise is good, there are actually recommendations that we know based on the evidence of what leads to the best benefits coming from exercise. So we're going to get into your fit protocol in a second. But first, let's zoom out a little bit more. What does exercise do to the brain and body that it's such a powerful antidepressant?
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
Well said. I've also heard that sometimes people do better that have GI issues on a micronized version of creatine monohydrate versus... a non-micronized version. And that's simply the manufacturing process and method.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And then the other thing that I'll add in is that often, you know, the supply chain is all over the place for creatine because it is one of the most popular supplements that are there. You know, not to throw any one country or other things under the bus, but generally, if you even find creatines that are made in Europe, there are a few different brands that come from Germany and
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
So anecdotally and from some friends that have creatine brands, I've heard that the supply chain is a little cleaner and less likely to have contamination, et cetera. So that could be one other thing that people could try, you know, so a micronized form of a creatine from a German or European manufacturer. So again, that's just my own anecdotal experience that's there.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
So coming back to exercise and depression, a lot of people that are listening today, they're not a healthcare practitioner. They're individuals like myself that consider themselves to be what I call myself is a professional amateur. I love to learn about health. I love to follow people like you on X. formerly known as Twitter. I love to read newsletters. I love to read books.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And for many of my friends, I'm kind of the go-to in my little community of, hey, what's a good resource on this? What's a good resource on that? And I can point people in the right direction. And I would say that a lot of my audience feels the same way. So what often happens for those individuals is that somebody will come to you
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And whether it's a person struggling with depression themselves, or it's a friend of a friend, and they're often asking you, or you might even know that somebody in your community is dealing with depression, could be a family member, a coworker. What sort of recommendations would you have for the non-healthcare practitioner, the non-physician,
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
who's listening to this episode, wants the best for the person that they love and care about. What are some of the do's and don'ts when it comes to bringing up this topic that we've covered on today's episode?
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
That's a great recommendation. I have a men's group and at various stages, we've had different guys in the group that were never formally diagnosed, but might be going through a period of their time in their life. Well-reasoned. It could be through great tragedy, loss of a family member. They might be going through a low mood and feel like they're not themselves.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And I've seen that regularly happen. creating something on the calendar. Like, Hey, every Thursday we play pickleball, you know, come anytime. It's just like a fun opportunity, something low stakes that they can get involved with. That doesn't feel that feels inclusive. Maybe it feels like a group activity. We even do this thing where every Saturday we all go to the gym together.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And sometimes we'll reach out to somebody in the group or a friend and say, Hey, just come and join us. It's like, it's okay. Anybody, regardless of your skill level, it's just more of a fun thing for us to do. So having that open invitation to somebody,
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
and not making it too much about their symptoms or what they're going through, whether they have a diagnosis, whether they don't, I've found is a great way to have people feel like there's a low barrier to entry to get the social benefits of hanging out with people, but also the physical benefits of doing something like working out or going to the gym together.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
You know, I want to zoom out a little bit more. And I often ask this question to guests. And the question is, if I gave you a group of, let's say, 50 people and I said, all right, I know this is a completely unethical study, but I want you to induce depression into these 50 people and give me the opposite of your protocol. both with physical activity, maybe some dietary stuff.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
I know that's not your area of expertise, but you do pay attention to it a lot based on your posts on Twitter and anything else. So what would be the perfect protocol to induce depression in a group of 50 people?
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
I appreciate you mentioning that. And also the fact that even at some points of time in your career, you know, becoming a physician, that you've gone through a routine that looks not too far off from that. Maybe not exactly. It was unfortunately a necessary part of your training. I have a lot of physicians in my family, and I know that they've gone through many similar things.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And to zoom out a little bit, you know, I think that there's a lot of people that are listening today. And I know I feel this way a little bit, too. that you hear yourself talking about that. And obviously there's various degrees of extreme on those protocols you mentioned. Staying on the couch, never getting up, Uber Eats, you know, DoorDash directly to your couch.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
Maybe most people are not in that situation, but there's a lot of people that by definition of a sedentary lifestyle, which I think one definition is getting less than 4,000 steps a day, a huge percentage of the population is in that camp.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And unfortunately the scariest part is that there's a lot of kids, especially that find themselves, um, in that camp, especially because gym or recess or other things are not as popular as they once were, you know, 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago. And then on the dietary side, um, There are many people that do eat a diet that is largely based on caloric excess calories from ultra processed food.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And especially a lot of kids find themselves in that standpoint. And then, you know, the last components, you know, being, you know, sleep that you mentioned that a lot of people do have very disruptive sleep and not just because they're a shift worker or a physician or a resident in training, whatever it might be.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And I think I have empathy sometimes when I listen to my community who hears an episode like this, and it's like, why the hell are we not shouting through the rooftops that we need to shift the way that we think about medicine? Because... Even though a lot of people would listen to this episode or see your paper and say, okay, yeah, I get it. Physical activity is important for depression.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
When you actually look at the population, people are largely doing the opposite. And they see the medical establishment as being kind of quiet about these things and instead putting all their emphasis on anxiety. maybe infectious diseases or other aspects that are there in health, which sure, those things need attention.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
But if we look at the per person impact of something like depression, it's like, why are we not mandating that every school in the school system has some of these basics, but actually is implementing their impact? So I guess I'm just saying that I have a lot of empathy and I'd love to get your perspective on this.
Dhru Purohit Show
Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
When people feel a sense of outrage after hearing an episode like this, and then also looking at the population and saying, we're not even doing those things. And no wonder people are so depressed. What are your thoughts on that?
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
You know, one more thought experiment that I want to toss your way. There's a lot of folks that listen to this podcast that maybe they might not be a healthcare practitioner, but they are somebody who enjoys building businesses. They're entrepreneurial. If somebody found themselves in that category, maybe had a personal story related to depression or
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
themselves, a family member somehow is touched by that and was thinking about, okay, the medical system, we ask a lot of the medical system and there are all sorts of constraints, both in Canada, which has obviously universal healthcare and the United States, which doesn't, there's different constraints that are there that prevent physicians from being able to do even what they want to do, time constraints, etc.,
Dhru Purohit Show
Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
If there was an entrepreneurial approach to combining this idea and some of the themes of this episode today, physical activity to combat depression and even to prevent it from happening in the first place, could you see some sort of business that somebody could create that would leverage maybe...
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
So community, accountability, coaching, what would you like to see as something that could be a potential that was created out there?
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
Let's touch on your personal story a little bit. From my understanding, you are in your psychiatry residency. How did you get so passionate about the brain? And where did the lifestyle element as being part of the treatment protocol, where did the passion and inspiration for that come from?
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
Those that are listening, that's a massive scar.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
It reminds me a little bit about this German physicist, Max Planck. Are you familiar at all with some of his work? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah. He was a Nobel Prize winner. I don't know too much about his life, his work, everything, but there are some very famous quotes that he has.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And one of his quotes that he has is that, paraphrasing here, advances in science, and obviously we can include this to medicine as well, advances in science and medicine, they don't happen when the old guard wakes up one day and says, Oh, we've been doing it all incorrectly.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
It happens one funeral at a time, which is a crude way of saying that when the old guard that was doing things one way dies off and the new young group that's been doing things a different way and is more open-minded, that's when things end up, um, end up being advances.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And your journey really reminds me of this growing group of physicians who now have really grown up through eating healthy, training regularly. They have a personal interest. So naturally, they're going to bring that into their work, where a lot of my friends and family who are physicians, but might be in their 50s, 60s and older, they're
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
it wasn't super common for people back then to be working out on a regular basis in a way that was mindfully related to improving their mental health. Now, hopefully through people listening to podcasts and following accounts like yours on X and other places, or even listening to this podcast, we have a new group of people that are, this is just like normal.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And so now that's being brought into every line of work that people are up to. So I appreciate you sharing a little bit about your
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
uh about your story and that was gnarly about uh your your uh your arm so that i've never heard of somebody uh breaking their humor in a in a arm wrestling contest the person that you were uh arm wrestling against they must have done some real damage there they did some real damage that's probably the biggest victory you can have in a in arm wrestling competition and it was funny he had a lot of popularity in the class after for uh or for the arm right brutal brutal
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
Nicholas, this has been fantastic. Anything else that you want to share with our audience? And if not, what's the best ways for them to keep in touch with you and your ongoing work in this space?
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
Absolutely. There's so much stuff that you've written about that I know may not be your main area of expertise, but I'm like, oh my God, I wish I could talk to him about this. You posted a study that we'll link to that was showing that pregnant mothers that had the highest levels of bisphenol,
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
And phthalates in their blood system had a much higher degree, again, associative study of having a child on the autism spectrum. And I just thought that is nuts, especially with the world waking up to the impact of phthalates, PFAs, microplastics. That's something that everybody should be knowing about. So there's just one of probably 50 things that you've tweeted that I thought
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
I need to talk to this guy about this. through many of the things that we've learned about on today's episode and creates an inclusive place where people can start working out or being more physically active with us in whatever way, the gym pickleball, you could make a massive difference in somebody's life just through that small intervention alone. So thank you for that reminder, Nicholas.
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It's been a pleasure to have you on the podcast.
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You know, one of the things that you talk about online is that there is a little bit of a problem that's there. And that problem is because of the research that typically gets funded and how that research makes its way to physicians who largely are all well-intentioned and want to help patients. There becomes this jaded view that many physicians have that.
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Is Exercise the Miracle Drug We’ve Been Waiting For? The Number One Way to Strengthen Your Mind and Fight Depression with Dr. Nicholas Fabiano
Well, we're gonna get into that, but right away, I wanna take a quick tip that you have for anybody who's listening, who might be dealing with some spectrum of depression. There's mild, medium, severe, or even people that find themselves in more of a depressive or low mood, but maybe don't have a clinical diagnosis.
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Yeah, it's an important point. I'm not sure if you're familiar with his work, but there is a Harvard adjunct professor. He is also an expert witness in many of the biggest trial cases against big pharma, including Vioxx.
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And and how Vioxx, many of the side effects around the drug were hidden for years, which led to an excess of, I think, like over 50,000 deaths, early deaths that came from the drug side effects being hidden from the medical research. Anyways, he wrote a book called Sickening.
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And inside of the book, one of the sections that he goes into is talking about how a lot of the funding that's out there that. medical providers get presented is skewed naturally to medication because it's all being funded. And those are the companies that have the biggest, you know, in the deepest pockets.
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And very rarely do we look at drugs and say, well, okay, this medication might have some efficacy, but how does this medication work? compared to the alternative. And when there is research and studies being funded, we wrote a whole newsletter about this. I'll put it in the show notes.
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In one case, there was a big research study that was funded by the NIH and the National Diabetes Council, where they looked at metformin, by itself and then met foreman with dietary and lifestyle interventions. And then they looked at dietary and lifestyle interventions on their own, which this was a big undertaking. You don't really get studies like this that are funded.
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It's very expensive and takes a lot of resources. But many of the physicians that were presented with the conclusion of the study were shown that, yes, metformin works well and can work fantastically for diabetes patients. And when combined with dietary and lifestyle interventions, it works obviously even better. But then the secondary aspect is that they did the comparative on just –
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And you have an important tip that I'll steal from one of other podcasts that you were on. And that tip is, if you as the patient are looking for a provider.
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dietary and physical activity. And they saw that those that were in a committed program that had coaching, resources, education, they saw the most improvement. And often physicians, again, well-intentioned, well-meaning, they're not presented with How does this drug intervention compare to lifestyle interventions on their own?
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And largely that's a bigger discussion about what gets funded and research and priorities. But I think that also plays into this idea of I would probably also feel too that patients only want a quick pill for their fix if that's all the information that I'm being provided.
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Step Out of Fear and Hive Mindset and Into Nuanced, Free Thinking with Kaizen Asiedu
Hi everyone, Drew Proat here. Today's guest is thought leader and life coach Kaizen Asiedu. And he's here today on the podcast to talk about making nuance cool again, breaking free of tribalism, and escaping the thought matrix that many of us will find ourselves in at some point in time in our lives.
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With that being said, let's jump into my interview with thought leader and life coach, Kaizen Asiadu. Kaizen, welcome to the podcast. A pleasure to have you here. You know, you once said, People talk about the matrix. What the matrix actually is, is being in a web of expectations and conditioning that feed on your fear and cause you to do the safe thing rather than the real thing.
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Yeah, it felt like that was a time, that was a big period for a lot of people to go through this experience of, hey, my personal experience and literally what I'm seeing with my own eyes is different than what I'm hearing. Maybe there's something else going on to the story.
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One area where this has shown up very significantly recently is we just went through the Senate hearings for now Secretary Kennedy, Secretary Bobby Robert Kennedy. And what did you notice about the discourse through those Senate hearings prior to them and now the current discourse around the fears around Secretary Kennedy and the Maha movement as large?
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So I'd love to ask you, how does someone begin to recognize that they're in the matrix? And more importantly, how do they escape?
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You mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, you are a black male for anybody who's listening and not watching on YouTube or on X. You have been a lifelong Democrat. If you had to, let's say in the case of specifically Bobby Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy now, if you had to steel man the Democrat side of what they were looking at and where their fears came from,
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What would you share with the audience? And the reason I ask you that question is one of the things I think you do so beautifully in your videos is you not only state your own biases and where you're coming from, you also state what
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are legitimate points that the other side might have, even if they might be missing the mark or coming from a place that doesn't ultimately end up leading to the right result. So if you had to steel man the side of concerns around somebody like a Bobby Kennedy, what would you think that the Democrats who were pushing on him would say?
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I came across Kaizen's videos on x.com, formerly known as Twitter, and I was deeply impressed at how he approached the topics of very complicated health, political, and social issues. And on today's podcast, we discuss many of these topics and his layered views.
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I appreciate you mentioning those things, and I have some commentary before we go into the next topics. The first commentary that I have is somebody who also, most of my life, immigrant to this country. My parents immigrated from Kenya. I was born in Nairobi, came here when I was three years old, so didn't have to do
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Any hard work to become a citizen just got naturalized through their own efforts. Not too different than you talking about being a first-generation immigrant growing up in the Bronx from parents who immigrated from Ghana. So being somebody who...
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uh largely grew up in the the east coast of america uh did well in school hung out in certain circles it was natural that i also ended up falling into more of a liberal camp democratic side and i voted democratic in pretty much every election except for a couple maybe local elections back in the day when i first started voting in the state of delaware um so mentioning those things
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i i want to say that where i started to shift my own mind and i've been transparent with my audience on this podcast is when i saw that those are very those are points that you just mentioned and i found that with both covid and other topics in the space of wellness and even some topics politically both national and local some groups of individuals largely those people who align with the view of i'm a democrat would
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discourage me from even discussing those topics on either side, on the podcast. Or when I would discuss it, people would say, how dare you talk about this other information about natural immunity when I first did some of the early episodes on the topic of natural immunity with some experts that were on here, a couple that actually got flagged and put me on probation on YouTube in the early days.
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What I do appreciate about this sort of next wave, and I don't know what camp you find yourself in, I consider myself to be an independent now, is that... No idea should be too precious that we can't discuss it. No person should be so precious that we can't have a dialogue about that topic. And for each one of those things, there are a lot of really good views on both sides.
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Ultimately, I'm of the view, just to chat about some of them that you mentioned, we've had multiple heads of HHS that were not scientists, that were also lawyers, like Bobby Kennedy was. We have had many individuals that may have perspectives on certain topics, maybe not as what somebody might deem to be as extreme as Bobby Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy's now.
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But the fact that he's been willing to debate people, have a conversation about it, share his perspective, I feel like we are a country that spends the most per capita on health care. And yet we're in the space where not only are we the most medicated, but especially when you look at the poorest of the populations here in the United States, they have the worst life expectancy that's there.
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So there was a funny tweet by Vinay Prasad, a scientist out of UCSF. who has been bringing some really incredible nuanced thoughts on this. And it's like the nation that has the lowest life expectancy for where our capita is, is worried that somebody is gonna come in and like do something to destroy it. It's like, it's pretty bad right now.
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But I think the larger point is, and the reason that I'm glad you brought it up, is I think that sometimes people listen to this podcast and they think like, how dare you talk about this person in a favorable light? And I think that we should be able to talk about everybody in any light that they need to.
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I saw it. Yeah.
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you know i shared one of your quotes at the beginning there's another quote that i wrote down that i really liked another banger if you will he said if you're not in touch with your own humanity you'll reject someone else's humanity absolutely talk to us about that yeah i think my biggest critique of the left is they're often too emotional
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you've been pretty vocal about some of those ideas that you were implanted, that you were given, and we're all given them, especially on the social media website X, where you're most known, although your following is increasing on Instagram as well too. Give us some of those, give us an idea of some of those ideas that you've been given that you felt called to speak about.
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know it's often easy for people to identify other people as being conditioned or stuck in tribalism it's easier to see it on the outside but it's much harder to see it in ourselves including for myself and i'm sure you would say for yourself as well too what are the biggest red flags that someone especially someone who sees himself as rational or independent might still be stuck in tribal thinking
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Are there any examples, and for context, for people from my audience that may not be as familiar with you because they're not spending as much time on X, You've been retweeted by Elon Musk a number of times. I don't know exactly how many, but a number of times. He's found your videos on the nuances around the new administration, Doge, and some of the political appointees that have taken place.
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I think he's found great value in the layers that you cover by also steel manning the other side, and yet also showing why your perspective might be different than theirs. Have there also been areas that you felt that there might be, whether it's the Trump administration, Elon's influence, that has been different than what you think might be helpful? And I know that the presidency is still young.
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From my conversation and emails with many of you, I know that even though this podcast isn't a political podcast, naturally, this podcast has followers across the political spectrum. That includes Democrats, Republicans, and Independents.
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It's only a few weeks in. But has there been anything that's come up so far?
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I want to shift for a second to that topic of internal peace, now that we've talked a little bit about the politics of everything, which I enjoy that discussion, because even though we don't really talk about politics on this show, it's something that largely I'm very fortunate, and also I celebrate the fact that health and wellness has become truly bipartisan, at least from a standpoint of people caring about it.
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I'm not talking about the political side. Like, I probably have... the same number of listeners that are Republican, as Democrat, as are independent, and then maybe a smaller group that maybe doesn't care about anything related to that. And I love that. I love that so many people are waking up to wellness. And I also am not a subject matter expertise on the topic.
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But one of the reasons I wanted to have you on the show is that largely I find myself agreeing with how you talk about things in the nuances of it, except I don't have... the expertise or maybe the eloquency as you have to be able to articulate it. So I just want to acknowledge you for a moment to say that I appreciate it about how you talked about it. Thank you.
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And for my audience that's listening, we're going to pivot here to talk a little about your background and some of the things that impacted you. Because in addition to talking about politics, Your primary content prior to this period of time was all in the space of personal empowerment, self-development, philosophy, self-reflection. So I want to start off with this. Your name is Kaizen.
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This means continuous improvement. It's a Japanese term. I know it's not your original name that's there, but it's a name that you've chosen. Yeah. What does this concept mean to you beyond just self-improvement? How does it apply to a way that you think break down content, help people process information, and personally evolve intellectually?
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No, I love the background. So in addition to your resonating with the name, through the inspiration of Tony Robbins' work, how do you think it applies to the way that you break down content and the way that you think of yourself evolving intellectually?
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You talked about psychedelics and you've spoken before on a few podcasts about the profound impact that psychedelics have had on your personal transformation journey. What did those experiences reveal to you about the nature of the mind, identity, and the reality of itself?
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We've been very fortunate to have had some of the early researchers in the plant medicine space on this podcast, including Dr. Roland Griffiths, who was on here a couple of years before he ended up passing away. Rest in peace, rest in power to Dr. Roland Griffiths.
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And I think one of the things that I'm most excited about under the new administration, in particular, Secretary Kennedy, is I know that he personally was very against a lot of the work in plant medicine originally because he thought that it was often, um, a gateway connection to maybe other drugs or could get people involved and further addiction. And he struggled with addiction in his youth.
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And then I believe it was one of his sons. He mentioned, uh, both on a hike that we went on one time as well as on a few podcasts. I'm not sure anything that he personally hasn't said that actually showed him and said, Dad, there's something real here that has a therapeutic impact.
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And it feels that all of our institutions who do study this, like Johns Hopkins and other places, have talked about the powerful role that things like MDMA can have.
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uh when it comes to uh healing trauma ptsd as well as things like psilocybin when it comes to end of life and some of the research around there about removing fear for terminal cancer patients potentially even in some of these plant medicines helping with smoking cessation and other addictive things that are there so i look forward to the time that the budgets open up for that research and that we can actually deploy these
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very powerful, small percentage abused, very small percentage, but very powerful things that could end up shifting humanity towards the better.
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How do you view the ego's role in preventing people from updating their beliefs? And where have you found plant medicine to be helpful in that?
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And I know I have a good chunk of people who listen to this podcast who don't really care for politics much at all and would prefer that I really don't bring the topic up. I acknowledge that because in today's interview, we talk about the current political landscape and how Kaizen's views on many topics changed over time. But we don't discuss politics just for politics' sake.
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Have there been any mental models or philosophical frameworks in addition to your experiences with psychedelics? Have there been any mental models or philosophical frameworks that have had an impact on how you make decisions and interpret the world?
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You talked about your social media break. What have you been doing during this time? And what have been some of the vehicles, tools, practices that have allowed you to let go of the persona that you have online and connect back into you as a human being?
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I want to come back to some aspects of health. You've been pretty vocal about the American health crisis in your tweets. Do we have a better, do we have a new term for tweets? Posts. Posts. But it's just, it doesn't hit the same. It doesn't hit the same.
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In your tweets, and you've pointed to toxins that are in our environment, things like the presence of glyphosate in food as a big problem and other things like that. What's your thought right now about how much of this crisis that we're in right now is caused by individual lifestyle choices versus issues that are broader that people can't easily control?
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What's the balance between systemic issues that are there, the toxins in our environment, microplastics, et cetera, and the individual lifestyle choices slash personal responsibility?
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Yeah.
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One of my favorite things is I actually like when I respect somebody on let's say one particular topic. I look up to somebody maybe in the category of business, and now they're sharing their thoughts about a completely different subject. And maybe as I'm starting to hear them share their thoughts, I'm like, okay, actually this person has different views than I do.
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If I respect them and I continue to let them talk if it's in person, I'm actually just so curious about what makes them think the way that they think. Because I know that I've changed my mind at times in my life. So is there something that I could benefit from that could actually have me evolve my thinking on something? Because maybe I have a limited perspective on something.
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Or does it actually strengthen my understanding of why I feel the way that I do because I better understand a perspective that I hadn't heard, but even though I don't agree with it, I've now heard it out clearly. And my idea becomes anti-fragile, I guess you could say, from being strengthened by hearing. And then the third component is that I'm just curious about human beings.
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And I don't take myself so seriously. And this has been a tough thing over many, many years. And it sounds like this is something that you're committed to as well. I don't take myself so seriously that somebody's opinion that's different than mine about something is enough to upend my entire sort of relationship about them.
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One of the earliest examples that I had about this in my life is that when I was in university, I was starting to make a little bit of money because I had a business that was on the side. But I was very poor at my management of money, keeping track, balancing the checkbook, paying everything on time, etc. I had a lot of fear and conditioning around money.
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finances and largely i think it came from putting my dad on a big pedestal because he was just great at that and i never saw him make a mistake he's also a cfo by background and so i just always had this narrative in the back of my head this story that was like i'm gonna get something wrong and i'm gonna mess up and it would completely sabotage my approach anyways as part of unwinding that story i realized i actually needed practical tools and i needed like help in the process and
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and i randomly came across the work of dave ramsey i don't know if you know about dave ramsey i don't know him well but i love him so he's a financial uh teacher author kind of guru in that space and you know he's from tennessee and largely his views as a lifelong republican and i don't know if he's a born-again christian or just a christian a lot of his perspectives maybe
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his social conservatives conservatism was different than mine and yet i was at this intersection in my life being a young student in university getting so much value from somebody and yet feeling like oh is it okay to get value from this person because i also disagree or have different viewpoints and the obvious answer is of course there's so many people if we even think about it in our own lives could be parents could be
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you know, neighbors, family members, et cetera, people that we love that we don't agree with every aspect with them, but it doesn't prevent us from having a relationship or even sometimes hearing them out. I don't, it does. It's probably happening more and more than it actually does prevent people from having a relationship with those individuals.
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But I think that that's actually one of the saddest things you could do is if somebody is in your life and they're
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a good person and they have a different viewpoint than you, that you decide to write them off simply because you feel that your ideas are too fragile to be around somebody who, as long as they're not a mean spirited person or a negative or a toxic individual to you, you know, why should we be writing these individuals off?
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One of the areas that I'm also excited about in how health, science, politics also kind of comes together is that now having done the podcast since 2018 and it being a top show on Apple, like top 30 for health and pretty popular on YouTube too, I would start to be able to get a lot of guests that I was very interested in getting, especially in the space of science.
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And one of the tough things was always when you had a researcher come in and you had genuine curiosity and questions, because I'm not the subject matter expertise, I'm just trying to ask good questions. And you could see the...
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battle that they were facing internally this has happened maybe about five or six times where before the interview started they would just sincerely say listen i like your interviews i like your interview style i want to talk about everything i just want to let you know like these topics i cannot talk about and i can't talk about them because maybe some of my work is nih funded and if i even discuss the the conversation about
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uh autism and what contributes to it and what i talk to about parents about vaccines or this topic or that topic or whatever it is if i even discuss it I'm at risk and there's so many individuals at my university or lab or institution that it could just immediately be taken, clipped out of context. I have so much more to lose than I have to gain. So I have to just keep it super safe.
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And I'm just asking you if we just don't touch on that. And obviously I'm not a got you. I'm not a journalist first and foremost. I'm not a got you journalist or anything like that. And I want to respect my, my job at the end of the day as a podcast host is to present
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my guests in the best light and talk about the things that they want to talk about that are there to be able to educate the audience. And privately, those individuals
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have shared or I've referred maybe patients to some of these individuals who've said, you know, I'm so glad that, and I'm so excited that we might be able to actually start to be talking about how layered this world is, you know, just to address something that you talked about before, you know, not, not saying that this is what you believe, but since you had mentioned it, you know, they would say things like,
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Listen, it's too simplistic for people that are out there, even if they feel that, you know, Bobby Kennedy has said this before, if this is not his stance currently, it's simplistic to say that, like, vaccines cause autism. But what the nuance is that we are not having the context and conversation around is that are there vulnerable kids
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who are born and their gut health is so messed up or they're genetically predisposed to not having great mitochondrial function and when i get a parent like that or the mother has really bad gut health and has suffered from other things that are there or i know that the data and stats that the family you know had a lot of phthalate exposure in their life because they regularly had eat out of canned foods
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And there's documented evidence showing that if a mother's BPA levels are at a certain level, it's a greater correlation with the child who's born on the autism spectrum. And this individual or pediatrician knows this data. They will say, listen, I'm going to do anything that I can that is not going to affect.
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uh throw the immune system into hyper reactivity and so i might put them on a modified vaccine schedule i might say stay away from this one for right now because we don't need it when the child is young but these are okay and largely there's strong evidence for them and this one i'm not sure about it's really up to you as a parent to decide what's your sort of confidence i'll present you with both sides like that's the conversation that people actually want to have
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They want to have that personalized conversation and know because guess what? So many aspects of life are like that. Even aspects of how we treat adults with medications are like that. They're nuanced and you weigh the pros and you weigh the cons. I just had one of the world's top researchers and experts on hormonal birth control.
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And one of the biggest things that she's trying to sound alarm on is the fact that birth control given to the adolescent woman. Yeah. does seem to have permanent changes that happen in the brain. And there is data that's there that is correlated.
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There's not enough data, so this is the data that exists, that it looks like it could potentially predispose them for depression later on in life or other aspects that might be there. And her answer was, still as a researcher who has a young daughter, I know that the most damaging thing for a young woman is an on one of the most damaging things for a young woman is an unintended pregnancy.
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And there's not a lot of great other options that are there. And am I going to leave it up to my daughter? Who's a daughter and young and she didn't say this, but kids are horny and other stuff and might have a boyfriend or this or that or whatever. Am I going to leave it at chance or am I going to put her on it?
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When you look at the world today, politically, socially, and especially a lot of the conversations that are going on in the space of what health means. Yeah. Where do you see these forms of manipulation or people having the strongest sense of maybe this fear-based conditioning that's running the conversation?
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Well, I'm probably going to put her on it because I just don't want to risk an unintended pregnancy.
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so these are the dialogue that i think that the cr that the public is craving they want to know all aspects of this and my hope is that for our audience today that we've at least touched on how you can step into being a person that is ready to receive these types of conversations because if we're not ready to receive it we're going to reject it when we come across it in any subject
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We discuss politics in the context of important themes that can be applied to all aspects of life. Kaizen's key theme around his content is making nuance cool again. How can we discuss... all sides of an issue. How can we declare our own personal biases on something?
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Well said. Kaizen, this has been fantastic. I want to just talk a little bit about what you're up to. What's this world that you're building? Are you going to go back to making content? I'm catching you in a break. And any insights about stuff that you want to get involved in in the future from your break that you've taken?
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I am not super familiar, but I've seen him in a distance. Yeah. I believe he collaborated with one of my, some of the friends in the, in the Maha movement, uh, conservative commentator, podcaster, right? Yeah.
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where do people go to, um, also work with you because you are a coach who supports people and helps them step into this world of being more, uh, brave with their ideas and not being afraid to own them. Um, where, where can they go to find you on that?
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Well, you're doing it well. And I just want to say from the outside, when I see you cover very complicated topics and I encourage our audience to check them out, we'll link to a bunch of them below when you cover complicated topics, uh, like DI or immigration, or even some of the health stuff that we've talked about today. Um, I find, uh, the way that you approach it, it's very, um,
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It's not only incredibly knowledgeable and it really feels that you've spent a lot of time putting it together because you're sharing both perspectives from both sides, but it's also a great video to share with somebody who feels confused about it because it's very disarming. It's less of you telling people how to think about something and it's more being like, hey, here's the lay of the land.
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and let's look at the things that are important let me tell you why i think this way and including the biases that have me thinking this way and i find that to be a very helpful for people who are trying to make sense of the world so i just want to acknowledge you for the work that you do thank you And thank you for being on the podcast. Hopefully we get a chance to do this again sometime.
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How can we still land on our views about a particular topic without having to always feel like we're a melting pot of ideas with everyone else? And most importantly, still respect other people when they have different viewpoints than we do. That's the theme and that's the focus of today's podcast. And I encourage you
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When you were going through that period of time, what gave you the confidence that I'm not gonna be worried? I'll just share from my own perspective is that even being in the health space, there was maybe like a few week window in the beginning where even people that I felt that I looked up to
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individuals like peter attia ronald patrick in the health space i was even feeling like some of those people were saying this thing is going to be really bad so you start questioning your own self and there's a little bit of uncertainty that's there what gave you the sense of confidence that hey this isn't the bubonic plague i think we're going to be okay
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regardless of your views on any of the topics we discussed today, to please listen to the full end of the podcast with Kaizen, because I think you'll be surprised about Kaizen's approach and come to the conclusion that there are many people that are out there that have different beliefs than you might have that are well-respected, good people who want to make the world a better place.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Will, welcome back to the podcast. I want to jump right in and provide some major value for our audience today on the topic of the gut microbiome.
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Great. So let's talk about some of the other things that are out there, just from your perspective. And again, for somebody who's starting low and slow, what else could they be putting inside of there? So what does that base look like for an introductory smoothie? Let's start off with, are you recommending water, almond milk, kefir?
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And then what are some of these plants that they could potentially be putting inside?
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We'll definitely get into it. It's on the docket. All right. Amazing.
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Dr. Jed, right?
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Speaking of olive oil, I add olive oil to my morning smoothie.
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I'll put in a little bit of olive oil, usually about like 15 grams, because I also feel between the protein, the fiber that I get from including things like a modest amount of avocado, the right amount of berries, I do better with frozen strawberries, talking about personalization. For whatever reason, frozen blueberries make me really tired afterwards, which is so random. Again, who knows?
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Maybe we might find some insight for me for that in the future. I do include some microgreens, some sprouts. I love putting mint in my smoothie. And when I look back on it, you tally all these different things up. I'm like, wow, that's easily eight, nine, 10, 12 different types of diversity of plant food that gets included in. And it takes me, you know, 10 minutes to drink the whole thing.
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Yeah, I love that. One of the beauties of including this, all this diversity in a morning smoothie is that you are hitting the ground running for the day. One of the biggest challenges as people have become more hip to the conversation of the power of including
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you know, the right amount of protein in your diet, and you can get that from a lot of different sources, is that people will look back on their day and they'll look at their MyFitnessPal or whatever else they're using to track, the Level Zap, this, that. They're like, I'm behind on my fiber.
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And so if there's a way to get a jumpstart in the day and feel like you have momentum, I find that it's a lot easier for people to hit those fiber goals throughout the day and then get the benefits of that impacting their gut microbiome. Have you seen that? Yeah, totally. All right, I want to talk to you about my cleaning products and why this topic matters to me so much.
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Most people have no clue that conventional cleaning products are filled with harsh chemicals that can do all sorts of damage and more harm than good. Synthetic fragrances, parabens, endocrine disruptors. These are all hiding in the sprays, the wipes, the detergents that we use every day. They pollute our air. They increase the particulates 2.5, which are a terrible thing.
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They irritate our skin and they can even impact your hormones. I don't know about you, but I don't want me, my wife, or anybody else in my household cleaning with harsh chemicals and synthetic fragrances because those are all inhaled and absorbed into our bodies. That's why I've made the switch to Branch Basics and I haven't looked back.
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I picked up their premium starter kit after hearing a lot about it from my friends, and I was genuinely impressed by how effective it was. Their plant and mineral-based concentrate replaced nearly every cleaner in my home. I can use it as an all-purpose spray, as a bathroom cleaner, as laundry detergent, and get this, it's so safe, I can even use it to clean my produce.
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You're going to poop better.
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That's a great way to start the day.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
A couple more practical questions about protecting the gut microbiome and the power of the morning smoothie. And then we're going to talk about the role that fiber plays in things like weight loss and how it's nature's natural ozempic and relates to GLP. So stay tuned. We're going to get into that. On a practical level, how concerned are you
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about a lot of the emulsifiers that are so common in these plant-based milks, especially that are out there.
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On a scale of one to 10, how concerned are you? And what is your recommendations and solutions? And for people that don't know, could you first start off with breaking down what are emulsifiers and what is their known impact on our gut microbiome? And what is their unknown impact on our gut microbiome?
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And you could end up with a kidney stone.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Emulsifiers are stabilizers that are often added to foods to keep them shelf stable. And in a way, they kind of operate you know, keeping it stable, but also getting rid of bacteria. They're kind of like an antibiotic in a way. They're not an antibiotic, but they're kind of preserving so that you can sell an almond milk, a cashew milk or other products for a longer shelf life.
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That happened to a friend of mine. That happened to a friend of mine. But anyways, that's another story. Continue.
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Otherwise they would normally be getting bacteria or they wouldn't blend as creamily or they would have other issues. Is that accurate?
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Yeah, and I didn't mean to hint that it wasn't bigger than that. I was talking about in the context of smoothies. So people are using a lot of plant-based milks in their smoothies, which obviously can be good in a lot of ways, but they come along with these emulsifiers.
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100%.
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I have no affiliation with them, but one of my favorite brands is New Barn. which is an almond milk company. They do cashew, coconut milk, other stuff. You look at their ingredients for almond milk on the back. Not that I really consume a lot of almond milk. It's literally almonds, water, sea salt. And then that's their base one.
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And a lot of their almonds come from regenerative farms in California and their brands that have flavors. It's literally like vanilla extract inside of there, like organic vanilla extract. So there are companies that are doing it. Yes, it's more expensive, but there are alternatives that are out.
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Totally. It's important to know. You know, the reason I brought up emulsifiers is that let's say somebody makes the habit of this fantastic morning smoothie that you've just outlined and they continue to use it as a vehicle. to get healthy fats, fiber, and especially protein into their diet on a regular basis.
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They're meeting all their sort of macro goals, if that's something that they're paying attention to. They're starting the day off with energy. And a big part of that is also too, what are they not eating? They're not eating a sugary bagel. They're not eating other stuff because they feel full on it. And So that we can make sure that it continues to service us within the unknown.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
If we can look at the back of the box of milk that we might be using or the ice cream. Again, I hope nobody's putting ice cream in their morning smoothie. And you see things like carrageen and other things like that that are out there. You can just go to chat GPT and type in what are the common top emulsifiers that are there.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
There should be cause for concern there. of doing that every day, day in and day out over years, that we would be worried enough about the impact of the microbiome that you would tell people, look, I don't really want you eating these things every single day. Once in a while, fine. You go to a coffee shop and you like almond milk, you like oat milk, fine.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And they're using the barista blend, which has the most amount of emulsifiers in it. OK, every once in a while is great. But if you're putting that in your morning smoothie every single day and you're doing it over years, you might end up doing some damage to your gut microbiome. Is that fair to say?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Dried edamame organic, there's this company, I forgot the name of it, I'm sure you've seen it in the stores, is one of my top fiber snack foods that I have in a day. I'll talk about some of my other ones and I wanna hear yours as well. But before we get into those snack foods and we talk about fermented foods and all those great things, I want to come back to this bigger idea, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
You talked about in the start of this podcast about the importance and the data that came from some of these pivotal studies like the American Gut Project about how important diversity is. And the way that we get that diversity is through a lot of different plant sources. And along with it, you're getting this incredible fiber and all the different types of fibers.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Right now, we have millions and millions of Americans, before we get even to the rest of the world, that are on GLPs. And I have friends that are on them and have lost a great amount of weight and are doing it in a smart way and are working with smart doctors that are helping them make sure that they preserve their lean muscle mass and they're working out and they're cleaning up their diet. And...
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
It's a personalized approach that has given them a boost in the right direction, and they're doing it in a smart way, and they've seen incredible results. Their lipids have improved. Their weight has improved. You know, in some cases, plaque in the artery from just –
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Their progression of eating an unhealthy diet with a lot of alcohol and other ways that they have abused it in the past isn't progressing as bad as it was previously. I've seen some pretty fantastic things. And the conversation has to be so much bigger that there are natural ways that we can increase these signals of satiety in the body.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
A company based in the UK.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And you are a big proponent of reminding people that fiber is one of those ways. Can you talk about that?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
From my understanding, GLPs were used with diabetics for a long period of time. Like we have at least 10 years plus of a lot of people having used GLPs. Yeah. Now, obviously, there's a lot of different derivative forms that they're being created in, right? You have all the different ways that people are using trizepatide, semiglutide, and all the new compounds that are there.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
But is it true that we don't have a clue of what it's doing to people?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
We're not going to have- With the standard approach and the way that it's being recommended.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
That's a great way to explain this sort of landscape. And I think that I agree with you. I think a lot of our listeners would agree with you as well. And I think that while we don't have long-term data on it, the anecdotal thing that I've seen is, and I'd love to get your take on this. You know, you have a lot of friends in this space that are
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
open-minded, integrative, functional, some degree of wanting to really use the full set of tools in the toolbox, both Eastern, Western, integrative, whatever, to help the patient get healthy. And a lot of what I've been hearing from those individuals is that there are individuals that have prioritized protein, are working out on a regular basis.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
They're not like dogmatic about one particular diet or another. But through a combination of maybe their gut microbiome being completely disrupted from antibiotics as a kid, through trauma, through other stuff, they live in this hyper-palatable, addicted, heavy food noise in a way that, I mean, I have so much empathy. I've never felt that before.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
I've never felt like such a degree of food noise that... I don't feel satiated after a meal or I'm craving some sort of snack that's like totally encapsulating or some high calorie food. Sure, I have cravings like everybody else, but I've never had that level of food noise.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And that with a personalized approach, they've been able to dial in some of those habits, some of the same things you've said. introduce some form of these GLPs, could be compounded in many instances. It's not usually this full dose that's being given to the average population. And it's very much a get on to get off approach that's there.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And between some of that momentum and that person finally having some taste of what it looks like to have that noise in their head kind of quiet, that they've increased their interoception. And been able to get to a place where, hey, I'm now maintaining with these healthy habits. Again, this is completely anecdotal. There's no studies that are there on those people. Sure.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And that's where I've just seen firsthand and have so much empathy for somebody who literally has been carrying 40 pounds of extra weight for the last 20 years, 30 years, and is trying a lot of things well-intentioned. And I share all the same concerns because that's not the vast majority of how this is being used out there. It is truly, we're going to have these people on these drugs forever.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And there's no plan to get them off, and they're a lifelong customer, and we have no clue what's going to happen in that instance.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Yeah.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
5, 10, 15 pounds.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Great reminder. If you had a patient come to you and say, hey, listen, I'm in that category. I have 5, 10, 15 pounds that I want to lose. And sure, it might be for vanity purposes. And I don't know if I'm hitting all the things that you recommend.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
What would be a tier-ranked approach that you would come to them on and say, hey, before you go down this rabbit hole of something that could be potentially harmful for you,
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
like exploring these GLPs and there's no shortage of companies that are advertising direct to consumer options for you to go down that rabbit hole on, you would sit them down and you'd say, hey, listen, here are the things that we want to make sure that we double down on, focus on and approach. If you would tier rank that, what would that be?
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Yeah.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
You're one of the best communicators in the space, so I know you can handle it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
So that's number one.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And again, I think for a lot of people in this 5, 10, 15 pounds, there's probably a lot of listeners that are listening today that are in that category. I think most of them are aware that, you know, we don't want to be centering our diet around Cheetos, Doritos,
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
For example.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Okay.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Dig into it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Yeah, many juices that are fruit-based have even more sugar than a can of Coke.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Yeah, all cans, Coke, Olipop, anything that's in an aluminum can has an internal layer of plastic to protect the can from sort of leaching into the beverage.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Correlation but cause for concern. Absolutely. Right. Cause for concern, because we have no idea between all the polyester clothing that we're all wearing, which is filled with plastic, goes in the washing machine, ends up in the water supply. We don't have the technology anywhere in America for any water system. to filter out for those things on a municipality level.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
I've heard you say that for people that are starting off and are doing an audit in terms of, hey, how much variety am I getting and how much fiber I'm getting? And it's a little low and I want to increase it because I'm convinced by the science that one of the best ways to do this, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on how to make it practical for our audience, is...
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
That's why everybody should get a filter. The best piece of advice that somebody gave me many, many years ago, either you get a filter or you become the filter. And I always remembered that. So between the plastics, between food manufacturing that's out there, we have no clue how ubiquitous, even in the studio, I had soundproofing put in. Some of that soundproofing, I looked at the materials.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
It's basically a different form of plastics that are there, which is why I always have an air filter running in the background and I'm measuring it. I'm not going to filter at all, but it's ubiquitous and we should be paying attention. So to take this back to what you were talking about,
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Yep.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
So Diet Coke is still going to be better than a Coke.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And is the bigger concern the microbiome or is the bigger concern microplastics, which comes from all canned sodas that are out there?
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Yeah, every lab that's doing work in this space, because I'm working on some new stuff and I've been looking at these labs that are out there, they all have a slightly different approach and way because this is emerging a new science to even quantify the amount of plastics, nanoplastics that are inside. a food or a beverage.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
starting off with a morning shake. That's not the end all be all, but it's one major step in the right direction. So if somebody, first of all, did I get that right? And if somebody wanted to make a shake and use it as a way to start heading in this direction, break down the best practices of what they could be including in the shake to bring
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
I think they were using a little bit of like, hey, this is like good for your gut, the prebiotics. I don't know if it's because of some of the lawsuits that some of these companies have dealt with, like Poppy and Olipop. I think there was a few class action lawsuits that were there. It seems they kind of moved away from that a little bit. And now it's more just like, hey, this is a healthier soda.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
So if you drink an Olipop and you're farting all day long, you probably have a good sign that you have issues with some FODMAP foods.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
I do want to say, like, Olipop has nailed their flavors. And I, because I've done some of these plastic tests, these microplastic tests, I ran... A test with one of my doctors here in LA because I thought I had some plastics exposure.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
It was an antibody test to a lot of the common plastics that were there because I had some elevated antibodies that I was dealing with and I was confused about where they came from. Anyways, that's for a future episode, but I have gone out of my way to really not be consuming a lot of drinks that come in a can just because of my own situation.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
But I got to give props to Olipop for nailing the flavors that are out there. But here's the reason that I found this fascinating. We went down this rabbit hole. We said, okay, for those people... who are thinking about GLPs for addressing their 5, 10, 15 pounds of extra weight. And they're maybe not addressing some of the basics. How would you tier rank and approach?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
You mentioned ultra-processed foods. And then you kind of got on this trend of Olipop. And so your feeling in particular is primarily what? That they shouldn't really be using any liquid form of – of a soda, even if it's a healthier one, because it's going to come with a lot of calories. Is that where you were getting with it?
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
not only support their gut microbiome, but as you mentioned, not going too crazy so that they can be gentle and avoid a common thing that happens for a lot of people when they introduce a lot of fiber at once is they have digestive issues, bloating. So is a shake a great way to get started in the right direction?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
So that's an example of ultra processed foods.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Right.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
You'd rather have them go to kombucha.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And break down some of this pivotal research.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
That's great. Okay. So step one, cut out the ultra processed foods. Even if you don't think you're having ultra processed foods, if you're having three or four lollipops a day, you're having ultra processed foods. So let's bring that down dramatically. What's next from there?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Do you feel that part of that too is if you haven't used some sort of tracking method, even if you don't want to track all your calories, which I know doesn't work for a lot of people, but use some sort of tracking method to even get an audit of about how much fiber you're having on a daily basis. Because I've found that when I recommend that to people...
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
because that was recommended to me, not just for fiber, but also to see, well, how much protein are you actually eating? I was pretty astonished to see that I was under eating on protein and I was under eating on fiber during a period of time in my life.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
I think overall I've had a good amount of fiber that's there and I've corrected a lot of those things, but I didn't really know how much fiber I was eating until I started tracking.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Do you recommend that for people?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
So you were talking about fiber, auditing your fiber, make sure you're getting enough. The average woman is getting 15. Let's try to bump that up to 25. At a minimum. At a minimum. Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Again, all towards the goal of, hey, for whatever reasons, people can be motivated for a lot of different reasons, but somebody might want to lose 5, 10, 15 pounds, and they want to do it in the most natural, holistic way that's there. you're continuing to go down your tier-ranked list. Ultra-processed food, get rid of them. Fiber, right, start to include more of that. What's next, Defton?
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
A while back on this podcast, I sat down with a holistic plastic surgeon who told me that one of the best things that you can do for your skin, whether it's wrinkles, fine lines, acne, or overall skin health, is red light therapy.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And within that, are we shooting for any specific numbers, regardless of how people get their protein sources? But are you trying to, you know, people see a lot of different things that are out there, a gram per, you know, ideal body weight that we're shooting for. What's your feelings on that?
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Fantastic. Okay, great. So you had protein.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Since hearing that episode, so many people in my family, including my wife and sisters, have been consistent with their evening red light routine, and the one that they use is the Bond Charge Red Light Face Mask. Red light therapy is a science-backed way to stimulate collagen and elastin production.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
know tell me if this is a fair statement for our audience that's listening and kind of connecting these dots together of us talking about glp weight loss and then your approach that you recommend for the person that wants to lose that 5 10 15 pounds fundamentally of course quality of food matters because there's so much inside of a rich diet.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
You know, you and I were talking a little bit about these blueberries that I sent you last year that are like so plump because they're grown in organic soil compared to even organic blueberries that might be grown in like hydroponically that don't have that access to the soil and the microbes and other stuff. And the craziest thing that I saw is that these blueberries that I had didn't
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
they didn't go moldy for like weeks at a time. If I buy blueberries from like Whole Foods, they're like moldy within like a week, right? So there's infinite intelligence and importance of quality of our diet because there's so many things that we get along with it. So that's known. Our audience knows that. You've talked about that forever.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And in addition to that piece that's there is that fundamentally, however we get there, People will lose weight when they consume less energy than what they end up burning. Like if we look at these GLPs, fundamentally, people are losing weight, not through magic, but actually because they're eating less calories. Is that your understanding?
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
So using this list that you've had there, these are all ways to ultimately get somebody in a way that's doable and supportive for their lifestyle, whether it's cutting ultra processed foods out, not all of them are bad, right? Whey protein, plant protein, these are considered ultra processed foods, but there can be better ways to obviously have that.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And that doesn't automatically make them bad, like you said, but the worst offenders, the high calorie ones, ultra processed foods are hyper palatable.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
If we're less attached to them, our taste buds are not going to get hijacked. We're going to be consuming less calories. Fiber is going to be satiating for all the different reasons. Protein is going to be satiating. Exercise targets both the mood piece. When you exercise, you actually want to be healthier in your life. You're more likely to stick to healthy habits.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And of course, increases your burn rate that's there. Not that we want to rely on it as a primary vehicle of losing weight, right? It's supportive for so many aspects. It's also healthy for the microbiome.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Yeah. Right. Yeah, totally. And then and then, of course, what was the last one that you talked about after exercise?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Right. Which is another form of calorie control for a lot of people. That's more manageable than tracking all their calories.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
If people were to drink occasionally, special occasion, special night out with the friends, you know, and fall into that place of, you know, not having more than really a drink every couple of weeks, what is your favorite drink? gut-friendly, or more importantly, because alcohol is not gut-friendly, what is the least damaging alcohol to the body and the gut microbiome?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
The idea of people having occasional, truly occasional.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
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Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Yeah, I think a lot of people are waking up to that idea. I know myself, like, I just don't drink anymore. And I'm not afraid of alcohol. Truly, if there was something that was a time period where I'm a really big fan of, especially like this whole category of these
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
dried farm wines that are out there and they tend to be lower alcohol, which some people have a theory that, you know, we've made red wine way more alcoholic to really, you know, meet the demand of, especially like the, the, the consumer base in the United States and the Western world, but that wines previously in the traditional way that they were made, uh,
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
tended to be a little bit lower alcohol wines that are there. And obviously, you know, places that are going to be staying away from pesticides, additives, other things that seem to be at least one of the reasons besides maybe potential histamine that people have really bad reaction to wines in general.
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So I think separate from those occasionally, truly occasionally, I think a lot of people are waking up to the idea that I just feel much better on a regular basis without alcohol in my life. And if I am going to do it, I know that it's going to be a tradeoff of probably impacting some sleep, not feeling great, overeating the next day or whatever else comes along with it.
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Yeah, absolutely. It impacts memory function. There was a big study we wrote about in our newsletter, like it just came out like a month ago or two months ago that showed that exact thing that you were talking about.
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I've personally had, and I've written about this before, and I've talked about this with Dr. Chris Palmer, who wrote the book Brain Energy and does a lot of work in this space. I've personally had five people in my life. Again, these are young people who already are in the key demographic of a higher risk of cancer. schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, bipolar disorder.
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So already it's, you know, you're predisposed being in a certain demographic and age, but these people all have the same story. They were light cannabis users and they went to medium, high medium to heavy cannabis users. A lot of them actually during the pandemic when a lot of people were in isolation.
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And it seems that, especially in the United States, they found a product marketplace that has higher THC content. Most of these individuals out of the five, four were guys, but there is one woman that's a part of this too.
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And it seems and it's and I say that it seems because it's actually so hard to get these individuals help, you know, that they all had a major episode of either schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder or something in that category. Right.
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refused medical treatment, in two instances became homeless and their parents had no idea where they are, couldn't find them. And there's a very controversial figure who had a lot of hot takes during the COVID pandemic, but was known primarily for his work and writing in this space, this gentleman named Alex Berenson, who wrote a book, Parents Tell Your Kids the Truth About Weed.
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And he talked about a lot of the data that was coming out of Europe, showing that there is strong data with this connection, especially for young people who don't often know how to mitigate their exposure, stay away from especially the highest THC content of these different products that are there.
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that you are having an explosion of individuals that are having schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder. And it's heartbreaking because I have never seen one of those people personally yet. I'm sure there's some stories come back after they've had that damage to their brain and body.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
I want to go back to a topic that you've mentioned a couple of times, and it's a little bit of a controversial topic on our podcast. And I get all sorts of inbound emails from one way or another, anytime it's mentioned, and it's the Maha movement, right? And if I would summarize, and I read all the emails, I don't respond to everything because I don't have that much time.
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If I would summarize, you have one group of people, regardless of their voting history in the past, that feel that, hey, RFK coming into office and now becoming secretary under the Trump administration is directionally in the right direction. direction. We're headed, you know, directionally in the right way.
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And we're asking all these important questions and we're creating this awareness and this zeitgeist of people that are finally saying our healthcare system is messed up. Not that he was the first to say it, but to amplify it on that level. And we're moving in the right direction. And if you look at the things that he's talked about before,
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and that can include a whole gamut of things, this idea of banning TV ads from pharmaceuticals and preventing their influence on news and news coverage of pharmaceutical companies, removing already this idea that we're going to generally regard things as safe without the proven evidence that's there that they are safe for the population, putting pressure on big food, putting pressure on big ad, putting pressure on big pharma, and we're just...
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starting down this pathway in wanting to improve infant formula and make it a lot more of a cleaner product that's available to people. That's all headed in the right direction. Even if I have mixed feelings about Donald Trump, even if I have mixed feelings about, or I have, I have no positive feelings about Donald Trump. I think this is a good move.
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And are we going to solve every single aspect of In health, no. You still have personal responsibility. You still have people of different economic levels. And there's a lot of different reasons why people eat processed foods. There's the overconsumption of calories. But we're heading in the right direction, and that conversation is important. So let's say that's one group of individuals.
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The other group of individuals that I've probably gotten the most amount of emails from is people that are saying – Even before the election was finished and even before Secretary Kennedy got into his position at the Institutes of Health, how dare you align with this group?
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could be because of previous comments about vaccines, autism, or just even the association that somebody like Kennedy, who a lot of people were very supportive of with his environmental work, has now made a deal with the devil. And not only will he not be able to get things done, but you all are being gaslit.
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to support something that is actually going to set us back, is going to set public health back. So that's largely, there's a lot of things in between, but that's largely the emails that I've gotten. And people have been pretty upset with me for even mentioning his name on podcasts that are there. I want people to feel anything they want to. I'm going to continue to do what I want to do.
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And I want to hear perspectives from across the aisle. I just had on Paul Hawken, who had some very strong feelings about the current administration and how even he's known Bobby Kennedy for a long time and is not very sympathetic to what's going on and actually feels that there will not be a lot that will be able to take place.
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Give me your views on this layered subject, which has now taken the world of health directly into the world of politics.
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Yeah, you never ask somebody who they voted for and they come into your office. You help every single person across the board.
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Yeah, that's well said. And I think that, you know, very smartly, strategically, you know, being close friends with somebody like Vani Hari, who's been talking about red number three, when I look at from the outside and people say, do we really think that this is actually going to make people healthier? And it's like, okay, great. There are the immediate benefits that come.
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Right. Great.
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And largely, yeah. That group of individuals, let's say Vonnie, Bobby Kennedy, Cali, and some of those people that have been very involved in that. I feel like they smartly, because every movement needs a hook, right? Every movement that's out there, historically, there's a hook. There's something to rally people around that can potentially cross the aisle a little bit and get people's attention.
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And this idea that there are companies, right? in America that are American companies that make one version of a product for another country, another version of it here that's cheaper, filled with more dyes, et cetera, that have cause for concern, major cause for concern, and that the primary consumer of these things are kids. Who doesn't want to protect kids more?
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I think it was a very smart move. And somebody who's honest like yourself can come in and say, great, I can understand why that ended up winning and became the focus and is part of the conversation. And yet we cannot let the conversation end there. That's a beginning piece to what has to be a profound shift in the way that health is practiced, delivered, and and internalized in the United States.
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Still calorie rich. Still hyper palatable.
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Well said. Well, I appreciate it. Even though I know you don't dive into the topic of politics on a regular basis, I appreciate you having this conversation here because these worlds are coming together and it's a part of the fact that health is more mainstream than ever. And if we look at why it is, it's not just for health, for health's sake.
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It's actually the fact that people are sicker than ever. And even people who feel healthy compared to the general population, they might not be obese. They're maybe not even overweight. they feel like there are so many forces that are against them. And I'm not talking about big food or other things. They feel low energy. They feel bloated regularly. They feel off.
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And they are sort of banging their heads against the wall and saying – is this really what human existence should be looking like? I feel like there's this inner potential internally to be thriving and I'm not thriving and I want answers. And from that standpoint, I love the fact that health is more mainstream than ever.
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And I feel like, especially with the young generation and how much they're paying attention to the topic of health because of social media and podcasting and other things, it's going to only continue to get more mainstream. And that's why I'm so hopeful and I'm so...
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bullish on especially the world, but, but team America as a whole, like I believe in the American population to take us in the right direction because we want to make change on a governmental level. Great. But we also have that American spirit of let's get ourselves healthy. Let's get our families healthy and let's create products and services that make it easier for people to do that as well.
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Love it. Okay, on that topic, I promised we would come back to something that you hinted at a couple times in the conversation. And that is something that's so central in getting us healthy, especially our gut microbiome, which is where this conversation started. And it's the topic of fermented foods, right?
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What is your governing ideology when it comes to somebody who's saying, I've heard Dr. B talk about fermented foods. I've heard... So many people share the studies that are out there about its benefits. I don't have it in my diet at the level that I want to, except for the occasional pickle here and there, maybe. What is your governing philosophy about how to dive into that world?
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And what are the most practical things that you'd want to share with our audience today about how they can get the biggest bang for their buck for including fermented foods in their diet?
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One of my favorite hacks, I'm off of dairy now. I've tried it in so many ways, but it just continues to not work well for me, even fermented dairy, which I'm really sad about because it tastes amazing. But when I was having Greek yogurt, my favorite hack was a serving of Greek yogurt, which can often be somewhere between 15 grams of protein. Sometimes I would do a double serving.
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I'd add in a scoop of protein powder on top of that. I'd mix it together and I'd put frozen blueberries on top. And it's literally, uh, high protein, gut friendly, uh, And it's so good that if you even put in a few more frozen blueberries inside of it, it's as if you're having the best dessert in the world. Yeah. And it's not even that sweet.
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Yeah.
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Seeds in there, other stuff.
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Any data on how much fermented foods we need to consume to get the benefits to our gut microbiome? And then what is fermented food doing to our gut microbiome?
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Yeah, it was a lot.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
So far on the podcast, we've been talking a lot about the top things that people can do to support their gut health and a lot of the evidence that's out there, which you've been championing for the rooftops for years now, and you do such a great job at that.
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Let's make sure that we touch on this idea of, if you had to, tier rank again the things that are the most damaging for the gut microbiome that we know of right now. And the reason I ask this question is that having this incredible network of practitioners that I'm surrounded with, that I've made friends with over the years in both traditional medicine, functional medicine, integrated medicine.
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One thing uniquely across the board that I hear from people is that the patients that are coming in today with some sort of gut health issues are have so many more issues than the patients that they were seeing, let's say, 10, 15, 20 years ago. So the people who are sick are way more sicker. It's a lot more people than you would typically think about.
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And they're just seeing that so many individuals have such bad gut health, which can result in all sorts of symptoms, bloating, constipation on the light end of stuff, all the way up to the onslaught of individuals who have really debilitating IBS, ulcerative colitis, and everything else in between there.
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So from your perspective on a national level, what are the things that people are doing on a daily basis that are the most damaging things to the gut microbiome that is creating this landscape that I just talked about?
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Yeah. So that we talked about that already. When you don't have dietary fiber, you don't have that protective layer.
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Grandma's eating some more processed food. Mom is eating, and obviously dad too, right? It all goes hand in hand. But getting your microbiome, a big part of it is obviously coming from your mom. The family's having less dietary fiber. The next generation's having way more ultra processed food, less dietary fiber. That has had a cascading impact is what you're saying.
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Which act like sugar in the body.
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great so too much sugar in the diet yeah is feeding the wrong bacteria or maybe even you know yeast fungus other microbes and it's also obviously besides destroying your metabolic health you're not getting what are you missing because you're having too much sugar in the diet you're not getting all the beneficial things to support the beneficial bacteria
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Where would you rank or would it be in your top five, top ten rankings? Environmental toxins, pesticides as being some of those things that have led to the state of people having such effed up guts.
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Even if it's organic, there's a lot of contamination that's inside of it.
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Can you break it down? What would you be putting in it? Not necessarily I want to hear what you do today, but I want to start off first with advice for somebody who's like, I need more diversity, I need more fiber, and I want to do it in a way that's slow and steady. So what does that smoothie look like?
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so important to be aware of these things because I have friends who are like, I want to eat more fiber. I want to do this thing. I want to do that. And people are very educated in these days. They're customers of Zoe or this company or that company. They're paying attention to their health and they're trying a lot of these targeted things. And I've never heard from more people.
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Again, it's not the majority of people. It's just that small group that used to be super, super small. Now it's more so that something has happened to them.
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Life trauma, pesticides, other stuff, the combination that even having, trying to do the right thing and following a lot of the recommendations that we have here, even starting slow, if they're not really careful, just the tiniest little thing throws their gut microbiome off, right? And I have so much empathy for those individuals that are there, right? And they're not dogmatic. They're not this.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And also, when I first heard many, many years ago about things like keto or carnivore or other things, I sort of maybe kind of wrote it off a little bit. I'm sure somebody can find some clips from this podcast in that way that I didn't understand the motivation beyond maybe ideological sort of components that were there.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
But I've had some smart people over the years that are quite nuanced who have expanded my mind on that, that have said that somebody like a Dr. Nick Norwitz, I don't know if you're familiar with this work that's out there, but he's known for being an individual inside of that keto and carnivore space.
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And I had him on the podcast recently and they were talking about some of their research that's coming out. And he said, listen, I truly believe human beings should be able to eat a lot of different plants. And that's actually going to be good for them. And it's going to be good for their gut microbiome. People have to understand my situation and my story that because of my unique insults,
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
My gut health got so thrown off that even the tiniest inclusion of certain types of food would put me in a bout of a flare-up with his ulcerative colitis. And so I ended up in this position as an extreme elimination diet because... of a combination of things. Yes. Am I paying attention to the work on fecal transplants and other stuff? I'm not ready to do it yet.
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And I hope that comes in the future, but I do believe that we were meant to be omnivores. I do believe that we were meant to eat high quality plant foods that are there. Here's the reason why I'm not doing it. It's not a dogmatic thing. It's just the fact that, you know, I'm a smart guy. I've tried a lot of different stuff. I've tried different products that are out there.
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And this is the unique situation that I'm in. When you hear somebody say from that perspective, again, taking out the sort of dogmatic piece of carnivore world, you know, do you also have empathy for that individual? Of course.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Well, as we're winding down here, I have a question that I want to get into to leave our audience with on the topic of the gut-brain connection and this idea of trusting your gut. And if any of the things that we've talked about today actually make it easier for us to trust our gut. So I'm going to get into that question in a second. But first... I'm a huge fan of great communicators.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
I'm a huge fan of people that also take the entrepreneurial leap and create companies, products, solutions that are out there that make it easier for people to be healthy. And so I want to take a moment to talk about some of the projects that you're up to. So you've mentioned your books. You are... Very prolific on social media with your content, your clips, your education, podcasting as well.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And obviously you regularly go on other people's podcast, but you have a new venture as well too. I was hoping you might share a little bit about that.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
What was your favorite one that you were typically kind of giving?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Psyllium husk, would that be in there?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Amazing. And just to be clear for everybody, this is a powder, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And you can add it to your shake? You can add it to your shake.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Amazing. Well, you were kind enough to give me a package. So I'm going to take it. I'm excited to try it out. And I'll let you know about it. I'll let my listeners know as well. Dr. B, as we wind down here, going back to my final question to conclude us out, there's this idea that we talk about in our culture of trusting your gut.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And we have talked a lot on this podcast in general, not necessarily this episode, about the gut-brain connection. But do you think that the idea of strengthening this ability, that we can increase our intuition, that we can get better at trusting our gut, is that possible for people who are listening today? And if it is possible...
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
What things support that process, whether it's things you mentioned today or whether it's things that we haven't mentioned today? How do we get better at trusting our gut and increasing our intuition?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Beautiful. Will, I want to thank you for not just tackling that last question, giving your beautiful thoughts, which were very poetic. I really appreciate it. But for giving our audience so many practical takeaways on today's episode and being willing to go down the rabbit hole of all the things that we explored. I'm a huge fan of you. I'm a huge fan of your work, your style of communication.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
I just want to say it's been an absolute pleasure to have you back on the show.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Hi everyone, Drew here. Two quick things. Number one, thank you so much for listening to this podcast. If you haven't already, subscribe. Just hit the subscribe button on your favorite podcast app. And by the way, if you love this episode, it would mean the world to me. And it's the number one thing that you can do to support this podcast is share with a friend.
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
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Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
And just for reference for the audience, what are the most commonly consumed high FODMAP foods, even for like a healthy audience? So if you had to list like five of them, just for an example.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Avocado is high FODMAP.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Just to be clear for our audience, these aren't bad foods. These are foods that actually, as people start to see how much fiber they can handle and how well they do, a lot of these foods are foods that if people can tolerate them, you want them in the diet. It's just that you're starting off this smoothie by potentially avoiding a lot of these foods.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
I don't think too many people are putting beans and lentils in their smoothie. Maybe some people are, but some of this other stuff to be paying attention to. You could. Okay, so first rule and principle on low and slow.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
low and slow is go towards FODMAP friendly foods, low FODMAP foods that are there.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Something pretty profound that I've heard you reference is some pivotal research around the idea that one of the best ways to take care of the gut microbiome and lead to greater healing and energy inside of the body potentially is to include 30 different plants. inside of your diet on a weekly basis. Talk to us about this number 30. Why is it so magical?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
Yeah, I'm sure it's in ChatGPT somewhere. Somebody probably took a photo. That's probably true. Although please buy authors' books and support their work.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
volume matters, right? Don't go ham. So it might be that if you're not used to making smoothies, start off with maybe more like eight ounces, 10 ounces, you know, work your way up, stay away from the high FODMAP foods that are there, right? Stick to low FODMAP. So now give us an example, right? My audience, people have heard a lot of different conversations about protein.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
We might come back to this later on. So I know There's a lot of great protein options that people can include. I use personally, I don't do super well with a lot of plant-based proteins. I get a little bit of fermentation. So I use a beef protein that's there, like a grass-fed beef protein, because I don't do also well with whey as well.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why You Need to Eat 30 Different Plants a Week to Fight Inflammation and How to Build Your Healthiest Gut Microbiome Yet with Gut Expert Dr. Will Bulsiewicz
So I use a powder, right? Because I like to include that. But separate from that, separate from people's protein of choice, if they decide to include that, which I think you would recommend, right? You absolutely could.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Adam, welcome to the podcast. You know, you've been on this intense journey for anybody following your story of building muscle and losing fat, both at the same time. And for my audience who is interested in the same thing, and many of them want to live their fittest year ever.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Before you go into the lifting weights part, can I ask a question? Can I interrupt? Yeah. So, you know, so much of our audience has heard from having, like, you know, we've had Sal on our podcast before. Obviously, this is our first time having you on the podcast, so thank you for agreeing to do this. Thanks for hosting us in your studio.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
We've had Dr. Gabrielle Lyon on the podcast a couple years ago when she was talking about muscle-centric medicine. And now, really, so many people have gotten the memo on protein, right? They're hearing it. And yet, when I sit down Or somebody emails me and I ask them a simple question. When was the last time you've tracked consistently your protein for a week?
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
I hear the same thing again and again. Maybe never. Maybe a day or two at most. And then on top of that, you ask them how they're doing it. And it's not really the correct way from what I understand to be able to do it. So let's talk about that for literally the person who's heard this is like, I got it.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
I got the memo on protein, but maybe hasn't actually sat down and said, nobody's ever really told me the basics of how do I actually track and what do I need if I'm really going to look at auditing my calories and in particular, my protein. Can you walk us through that?
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Yeah. And so you're weighing your food. You're ideally maybe using some sort of app. You know, there's a bunch that are out there.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Hmm. I went through that journey myself about two and a half, almost three years ago. Right before I turned 40, I had a friend of your show and friend of my show on the podcast, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon. She came on and really helped me understand that my issue as growing up Indian vegetarian kid –
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
under eating chronically on protein for years is that i fell perfectly into that skinny fat category yep and i never really had motivation for the gym because those there'd be bouts when i played soccer tennis other sports where i'd get really pumped up and i'd go to the gym And I'd bust my ass for like five, six weeks.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
And all my other friends who are not skinny and vegetarian kids, they're like bulking up like crazy. You know, you're 14, 15, 16, 18 years old. They're putting on muscle so quick. And as you should be at that age, it's for men in particular, if you're doing the right thing. And I'm like, okay, I guess it's just a genetic thing. You know, like my body's not responding.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
And then finally, for the first time, doing a body composition through caliber testing, working with my trainer. Yes, this was after I came back from like a 40th birthday to like Italy. I came back a little bit inflamed, but I came in at 26% body fat. And I was like... How is somebody like me who has these skinny arms and skinny legs? How am I 26% body fat?
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
And I realized through the podcast with her, I wasn't fat. I was under muscle. It's something that I just never had paid attention to. And I think like a lot of people in my community, I was eating really healthy. I was largely gluten-free and not that that means somebody's healthy.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
I was eating a lot of organic and other things, but I was overeating consistently on healthy sources of fats in my diet. All healthy things, but you can overeat on anything.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
And I was under eating on the protein. When I did this challenge that you're mentioning right now, which I highly recommend for everybody, I saw that the first week I was actually auditing my protein, I was consistently getting somewhere between only 80 and 100 grams of protein a day as a guy who's, you know, five foot 10, right? And not wanting to be, you know, skinny fat.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
And in a short period of time of just consistently doing what you said, resistance training, getting my protein up to the number that I actually needed to be, which was around like 165, 175 grams of protein a day and not overeating on the calories more than what was my energy expenditure.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
I was able to do a micro, micro, micro version of what journey you've just been on for the last 30 plus days, which was I actually was able to lose fat. And built some muscle. It took me a year. It took me about almost 10 months. It was nine and a half months. But I added almost about a pound of lean muscle mass a month in that period. Solid. And I brought myself back into, I got as low as 12.5%.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Let's talk about some of those top do's and don'ts that you've learned in your own journey that can inspire their own 30-day program or protocol. I want to start off with the first one. Maybe give us a don't that you experience yourself on your own journey.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Huge. It felt a little bit too thin for where I wanted to be. I felt like I needed kind of like a little bit of a clean bulk. Yep. And I stabilized right around about 15% body fat. Solid. And more importantly than those numbers or anything, which is what you guys teach on your channel, I just felt good and I felt strong.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
And I finally felt like I got the bug. I went from feeling like, oh, I'm a genetic situation where I can't really gain muscle and other things like that. And it's not for me. To, wow, I actually look forward to the gym. I actually enjoy auditing and tracking my calories to the extent to make sure that I'm not overeating on certain things and I'm not under eating on protein.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
And I got that bug of feeling like, okay, cool. Am I looking like Ryan Gosling in some movie that he's in? No, but I'm making progress. I don't even care about looking like that anymore. And if I keep this up, It may be a couple of years, but I'm going to be fitter than I ever imagined. And I'm already fitter than I ever imagined. So it was slow.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
And then all at once of just doubling down on some of the basics that you just talked about. If you know me and you know my content, you heard the experts on this podcast, you know that we're on a mission to meet our protein goals because not only is protein needed for muscle gain, but it's also critical for immunity, brain health, balanced blood sugar, and so many more things.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Since swapping out my usual snacks for Maui Nui venison sticks, not only have I consistently hit my protein goals, but I've also been more satiated and experienced less cravings throughout the day. Maui Nui sticks are a super easy option. They're my go-to post-gym snack, a great traveling snack, and something that I reach for before and after meetings and podcasts for a quick energy source.
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Yeah, I love that reframe that it can actually be easier as you get older, where I think a lot of our audience actually finds himself in that place. And that way of looking at things is actually hopeful. Yes. And it's true. So that's first and foremost, but it's hopeful in the sense that it's never too late and we're not on this decline that we're trying to recover from.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
You know, I think the other thing about this age range of anybody in that 40 plus category, which we're both in and a lot of our audience is in, They're also in a stage of their life where they're not 18 or 20 or 25 years old, where their entire life is dedicated just to fitness. They have a family life and a family life that often they love kids. They have maybe a business. Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
that they wanna put attention to or one that's growing and they wanna keep on making sure that it's heading in the right direction. And I think that your advice is really what can you keep up on the fitness level and on the dietary side that fits into your lifestyle so that you love it forever. How do you see that in the stage of life that you're in right now?
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Yeah, that's great. As you're talking, I realized like, you know what? I don't feel amazing today how I normally do. What's actually going on? And as you were sharing, I was like, oh, wow, I know why. I haven't had a a good training session for about a week. My trainer, he's in Thailand right now, which is awesome. The trainer that I was going to use is the backup trainer.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
He also was on vacation as well too. And I booked a workout for Friday. We're recording this on a Wednesday, but it's been a week and I don't feel good. And I actually should turn that into... Oh man, I'm, you know, I didn't plug in the gaps.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
I normally feel really good to, whoa, I'm glad I gotten so used to training and the fact that it makes me feel good that now I can notice the difference and I'm excited to get back in. You know, so much of this is a mindset piece, as I'm sure you know. Wow. And it sounds like you have some thoughts you want to.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
What are some of the things that are mindset related pieces that you see that consistently get in the way of people adopting that mentality?
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
They're kicking ass and they also actually look great. Exactly. And then if you have them stand on a scale, you'd be shocked. A lot of women would be shocked to see how much they weigh. And you're like, wow, I would like to look like that, like another woman.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
You know, what you're sharing here reminds me of one of my favorite interviews from this year, 2024, as we're recording here at the end of the year. There's a woman named Ginny McGonigal. Don't know if you've heard about her before, but she's the oldest American ninja warrior. Oh, really? Right. She became an American Ninja Warrior.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
For those that don't know that, you know, you can Google it, but it's like the competitions where you have to like swing from different things and it's an obstacle course. And she was at the age of 67, I believe. We'll fact check this afterwards and link to the episode. At the age of 67, she went in for a routine doctor's appointment and they basically told her, hey, listen-
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
you don't have osteoporosis yet, but you have osteopenia. Your bones are actually like not strong. They're getting brittle and you're on the road to getting one day osteoporosis. And she freaked out and she thought, how is this possible? I've been lean my entire life. I eat very little. I've been a ballet dancer, you know, an actress, other stuff, model.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
How is it possible that I'm in this situation? So she asked the doctor, what can I do to like deal with this? And he said, well, there's not much that you can do. And then her daughter was at the time just, starting to really get into this sort of way of living, exactly what you described here. And she said, mom, I think there's actually a lot.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Her daughter was into CrossFit, was competing at some of the games and things like that and said, mom, there's actually a lot that you could do. Let's start off with the basics though. Let's start having you eat more.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Let's get you having some more protein in the diet, not eating just these like super skinny salads that you're so used to, which you feel that helped you keep this thin physique as a dancer. Let's get you eating more, eating more protein, and then let's get you working out a little bit, right? Just slowly. We're going to start off once a week having you do some resistance training.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
I think even her daughter said, try a pull-up. She couldn't even do one pull-up at the time when she first got started. And then she stayed consistent with it, little by little, being consistent on that program, making it a lifestyle. And I think it was like... Six months into it, she could finally do like two pull-ups that were there and she felt really confident.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Anyways, long story short, fast forward, she kept this up and she now made this a lifestyle, was eating more than she ever was eating before.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
having more protein consistently, and actually looking forward to her training regimen and not worried about bulking up, something that she was afraid of previously, but actually being proud of the fact that she was developing strong muscles and regularly doing like five, 10 pull-ups. And then so she got excited about,
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
At the age of... I think it was right before her 70th birthday, she said, I'm going to enter into this thing. I'm going to set as a goal to enter into this American Ninja Warrior competition. And she went and she competed. I think she didn't do that great on her first one, but she became the first... But she became the first and oldest person at that age to actually compete.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
And then she started crushing, you know, the competitions and everything that were there. But it's just the reminder. Oh, and the best part is she went back to her doctor a year and a half later on to get tested. And he said, not only do you not have osteopenia, you've completely reversed this whole situation.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
So everything you're talking about here has real world implications, even for somebody who's thinking like, oh, am I too old at the age of 65, 70, 75? You can make a massive difference today just by focusing on the basics.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Something that we would all want. Right. Something that we would all want. And that is possible if we can focus on just the basics and take out a little bit of the noise, which is what I really appreciate about your guys' channel and the business that you've built.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
You know, you're really here to help provide signal in this world of noise that just a few things done right is all we need to do to have our fittest year ever. 100%. Um, you know, this is the first time you've been on this podcast. So again, thank you for coming on for anybody here. That's actually looking for some practical resources.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
You guys have a bunch, you have different programs you've put together. What would you recommend to them after listening to this conversation? If they're looking for a little bit more guidance, what's available for them?
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
You know, I shared with you before we started recording that you had this fantastic quote from one of your videos on Mind Pump TV. And you said, you know, the fitness industry is often giving advice for the 5%. And we forget the 95% of the people that are out there that just want to be a little bit better or have a goal that's not like something crazy precise, which nothing wrong with that.
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Yeah. And for those that want more of a program or protocol, I mean, we have programs.
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Amazing. Well, we'll link to all those in the show notes below. Adam, this has been great. Thanks for hosting me in your studio. It's been a pleasure to meet you in person after watching your journey on YouTube for a little while now. Thank you so much for the practical advice that really is helping that 95% of the community that's out there.
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
I put myself in that audience of people who want to live a big and healthy life, that fitness is a key goal of theirs. It's not the only goal of theirs. But it is a goal, fitness and health, that when done right, gives them the energy, the focus, the longevity for everything else they care about. So super appreciate you, brother, and all the content you put out there. Thank you, Drew.
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
right? You actually are very fit just looking at you here, but also you showing us on your YouTube channel, you're really fit and you went on an intense journey.
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
But the takeaway from what I'm getting from watching that, hearing you talk about it, and even hearing what you're saying here is that if anybody's listening here and they do want to lose some fat and they want to build muscle, one surefire way to derail your goals is that if all of your meals are being eaten out of the home, that's going to be really hard. Very hard.
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
If maybe 75% of your meals are being eaten out of the home, that's a little less hard. If 50%, that's better. 25%, you get lower and lower to the degree that the more meals that you can make and control and you got to use some tools like maybe meal planning to be able to do that, the more likely it is that you're going to be able to hit your goal.
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
And just for everybody who's listening, yes, you can overeat on even healthy food and end up gaining weight.
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Well, let's talk about doubling down on some of those rocks, the ones that significantly move the needle forward. You were talking about the average person.
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
When I talk to my podcast audience, which is a lot of individuals right around my age, maybe somewhere between 35 and 55 is the biggest concentration, but we have a lot of people, especially women in the 60 to 70 age group as well too, 50 to 60. And when I hear their goals and what their version of their fittest year is,
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
Yet looks like, especially when they think about 2025, it's, Hey, I want to lose five to 10 pounds. And I'd love, you know, especially for a lot of my audience, that's not former in competing. Maybe he doesn't even have a history of resistance training. They're like, I would love now that I know the importance of muscle, I would love to at least build five pounds of muscle. Yeah. Right. Add that.
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The Top Dos and Don’t When it Comes to Dropping Fat and Building Muscle at the Same Time with Adam Schafer
So when you're thinking about your own journey and some of the things that have worked for you, obviously, you know, some of the basics, so many of the basics, what would be those same, what would be the top things that you'd be sharing with our audience? Who is that average person that's coming in with those? For sure. This episode is brought to you by Momentous Creatine.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Dr. Vivian Chen, welcome to the podcast. Today, we're talking about the top sources of toxins in our home that cause this everyday exposure that so many people are worried about. And what we're going to have you do is we're going to have you rank some of the common ones that are there in our own households. And I want to start off with a big one. And that's the idea of cookware.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
But it's more about controlling the things that we can control at home. That being said, give us an honest ranking of canned foods that are leaching all over this BPA in our body, apparently.
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Yeah, it's not super common, but it's getting more and more common.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
We want to make sure on our grand scheme of avoiding and living a low-tox lifestyle, we focus on the
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biggest movers that are there that are going to significantly move the needle and then where we can make small tweaks great we make small tweaks that being said what would you say if you look at the average person here in america what are the number one two and three sources of toxins in their life go even you know big picture oh where is that coming from
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
The air?
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But there's tires are largely latex and they sort of have a lot of runoff and other things. And I believe there's been some pretty big studies that have been done that show in higher trafficked areas like the Bronx or other highways that are typically, you know, adjacent to lower income communities. You have just massive rates of asthma, which they largely decrease.
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OK, I will never cook in those. You never want it. So on our tiering system where F is the worst and then we have S is supreme on top. You're putting Teflon cookware as an F. Correct.
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And then there's certain cities like L.A. is one big giant highway. Right. Right. And you're typically, you know. going to have pretty bad air quality all around. But I think you bring up an important point, which is that, okay, you can be air mindful, especially on sort of windy days where you have a larger particle size or particle count that's outside. But a lot of people forget that
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Unfortunately, and fortunately, we spend a lot of time indoors too. Right. And we can do a better job of controlling the air environment in there. What would be one of the best recommendations that you would have?
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah, we have an air filter right in the studio. And a big part of it is that we built this studio out and I have an air monitor on here that's sitting on the desk right over here. And one of the things we saw is that, you know, all the soundproofing is polyester, there's microplastics, there's other things. So we leave it running all the time.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
And I feel like if I don't have the air filter on and I come into this room, Pretty much within a few minutes, like I can feel like like I feel like a light, tiny level of feeling like a headache. Wow. Just because I feel like, again, it's a brand new room, new furniture, soundproofing, other things.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
All this stuff is leaching in the air and our air monitor has shown that the air quality is not great when we don't keep on the air filter.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah, keep your shoes off, right? Do what our parents have been telling us, right? Especially if you come from an Asian household. No shoes in the house. Okay, so you ranked an air filter, which we have an icon of one of these. If you throw it up, is it an S? Okay, great. So if you can invest in a good air filter, and again, if you can't,
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Often just opening your windows and letting more circulation in the house, even in a city like Los Angeles. I see anytime we open our windows, the air quality dramatically improves, even in a friend's house who doesn't have an air filter.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
yeah well said okay let's come back to the everyday household uh items that we're exposed to is there anything else besides this category of plastics that you've talked about that falls into this endocrine disruptor category or should we move on to the next thing
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
You travel a lot. You see people. You go into people's home. Are people still using Teflon cookware? Yes.
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I literally get a headache when people wear perfume now in small quarters. And it's just like, I'm like, wow, we need to get the message out. So I'm so glad you're talking about this. But again, it's not just perfume. We have an icon over here of everyday household products, cosmetics, other things that have
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fragrances inside and yeah even if the company is well intentioned what people understand is that these fragrances come from fragrance houses and these fragrance houses they make these proprietary fragrance blends and even the companies that are buying them these blends to add into their product they actually have no idea what goes into making them that's right
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And so they couldn't even tell you if it's safe, if it's tested and spoiler alert, they're not tested. And so nobody actually really knows, except for maybe a few chemists at a company, what's actually going into something. So we got no clue what's in any of these.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So even fragrance in cleaning products and other household stuff, cosmetics, would you also put that as an F?
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah. And where do you steer people if they're looking for better for you brands in all these categories? Where are you steering people?
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Here's one that I've seen you talk about before, and I think a lot of people haven't gotten the memo when it comes to everyday household products around it. And again, is it the most important thing? No, but there could be some awareness around it, and that's aluminum foil. Talk to us about aluminum foil. What is the challenge when somebody is using aluminum foil day in and day out?
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So where would you rank on our list? Where would you rank aluminum foil as an everyday usage? That's an F for me.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
And what's the concern about it leaching in the body? What is the long-term health implication?
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah. And I think that you mentioned something really important, which is that you might have one study showing one way, another study showing another way. But in general, when it comes to a lot of these things, especially as household items that so many of us are using, we want to take a cautionary approach because the truth is.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
a lot of these things may not get the funding or the the the level of research to even look at them individually at the highest level to see long-term exposure what does it look like for your entire life to be exposed these toxins and then they definitely don't get the funds and we don't have the ability and it's too complicated to look at how all these cumulatively impact the body so why not take a precautionary approach
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Anything more that you want to say about that? You know, you've been a pioneer in this space for so long and you were so early about a lot of these items. You were talking about plastics and endocrine disruptors a long time ago. And actually a lot of people gave you a lot of hate for talking about those things. Like, Oh, you're, you're a fear mongering. This isn't a real issue.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Well, we don't have a photo of cast iron, but we do have one of stainless steel. So if you had to say that Teflon coated pans, especially the ones that have these cuts and nicks, which are so popular in not just Airbnbs, but people's homes, and they're leaching microplastics into everything you cook, you put that as an F. But stainless steel, where would you rank that stainless steel?
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What's it been like for you in your career to now see so many of these things having been validated over a period of time?
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Well, on that note, let's rank a few of these things that you mentioned. Okay, so we already ranked daily use of aluminum foil, especially when you're marinating it and that sort of thing. We put that as an F. But you talked about unbleached parchment paper, which again, if you're looking for these on the cheap, Costco is a great place. You've talked about that before.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
You can find a lot of these things and they're basically the same cost as a lot of the swaps that you've talked about. Where would you put this unbleached parchment paper, which is a good alternative for people to be using where they use aluminum foil?
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Okay.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
But a much better option than traditional aluminum.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
On that note, how do you feel about... These are pretty common. These reusable... uh, silicone base food bags that people are using.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
They're trying to get away from plastic and these, you know, whether it's Ziploc bags or something that's similar, some are BPA free, some are not, but where would you rank these food silicone based bags that a lot of people use, especially when it comes to kids in their house, or they might even use it for marination because they don't want to use plastic.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So it's an A for cold.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Right. So if you wanted to marinate something like a piece of chicken breast or something.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Right. So try to avoid heat. And what's a better alternative if you're going to be dealing with heat? Again, if you're trying to stay away from silicone cookware. And there was a recent study that was in the headlines around black paint. Yes. Which ended up having a little bit of a retraction because the math was incorrect, but still the...
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
The researchers ended up saying that their recommendation is still to avoid black. Can you summarize that? What are they talking about?
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Plastic cookware that specifically has black paint has a very high level of toxic load.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
It's a great cheap alternative that's out there. Yeah. And if you have cast iron, that's also probably going to be about an A as well.
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And does that still go for silicone-based cookware as well?
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So why not just go for wood? We have an icon for wooden utensil, right? Where are you going to put that? That's an A. Okay, that's an A. So talk to us about wood and are there any considerations around wood? Why do you prefer wood?
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Now, you had one caveat for cast iron that I saw that you wrote on social media on a viral post that you made about cookware on this topic. And that was around iron levels. Can you talk about that?
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Yeah, that's great. And anything about it being coded or not coded or? Yeah, I don't really see them coded, actually. Do you? I don't know enough about it. Okay. I look at it sometimes. I hear people say coded, but I'm just trying, you know, everybody here listening, including yourself. Yeah. We're all just trying to do the best that we can. Yeah.
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Talk to us about cookware and what is the worst type of cookware that we want to all be avoiding.
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And I think that's a great time to actually just remind people that, you know, here we are ranking everyday household items. And a lot of these things are super straightforward, don't often cost any more and are probably even going to last longer and maybe even save you money. Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. If you're going to start and move over to glass Tupperware. Sure, it's heavier.
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Sure, you might spend a little bit more money up front. Although a great recommendation you had is that they're often pretty cheap at Costco, right? You can easily get a Costco membership, save a ton. And you might invest a little bit of money up front, but you're going to save money over the course of time. So these all should be low-hanging fruit that are pretty straightforward for people.
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You're going to save money and you're going to be doing better for your health, for your health, for your family's health as well. So these are low hanging fruits that are there and they're being talked about with the latest research, which you're breaking down and with the caveat that you're not trying to stress yourself out.
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This should be something that you tackle one item at a time, focus on the biggest movers. And over the course of even a few months, a few years, you'll radically have dramatically improved your toxic load.
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It's nuts. I have many stories of family members who switched their laundry detergent from the traditional brands that are out there that everybody knows to more eco and minimally, you know, less chemicals, et cetera, cleaner for you, cleaner for the environment brands that are out there. And they're like, wow, my kid's eczema is so much better. And that's the only thing that I changed this week.
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Yeah. Right.
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An icon here for somewhere, you know, all these icons end up merging together. There we go. Plastic wrap that they'll wrap their food in. They'll wrap other stuff in. I'm guessing you're probably going to throw that as an F. Yes. It's a super thin plastic. It's used all the time. You've got to have a ton of exposure of microplastic and endocrine disruptors from that.
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I feel like there's been so many studies. Remind the audience.
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That's nuts. There's a dear friend of mine and also one of the doctors on my own personal team, Dr. Elroy Vizdani. I don't know if you've connected with him. Oh, I love him. Yes. Great, great physician out here in Los Angeles. And he was telling me that there was even, I'll have to look this up. I'll email him or Google it and we'll put in the show notes below.
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And also the studies that you've mentioned, we'll collect those. We'll put all the links there so everybody can see them. Yeah. He mentioned that in some cases when they were autopsying cadavers, they were estimating that one third of the brain's weight could be plastic. That sounded crazy to me. Oh, wow.
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Gosh.
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Yeah, it's all that cumulative exposure. So on that note, we have another icon over here. This came from one of your swaps, again, on Instagram, which we'll link to. And it's the idea of a stainless steel container, right? Again, you can use glass. Can you use stainless steel?
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Okay. And you want to make sure that it's stainless steel and not aluminum. You're not looking for an aluminum container.
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Absolutely. Right. You know, when people come to you and they say, what are other low hanging fruits that are there in my home that are the biggest bang for the buck? You know, you've talked about air quality. We've ranked some of these endocrine disruptors. What else comes to mind? Even let's go even bigger picture. It doesn't even have to be a product.
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It could be an action that we're either doing or not doing. For example, I've heard you say that if you really care about your body's natural ability to detoxify, you have to make sure you have to have to have to make sure that you're not constipated.
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Talk about that.
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Isn't there that famous Bristol stool chart?
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That's great. That's great advice. Okay. I want to zoom out for a second because we're talking about the everyday household items that we all interact with that are the biggest source of toxins. And then there's this group of toxins that you've been a big educator and champion in your work for such a long time. And then I want to talk about what are common sources that lead to this classification.
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Okay, so type four is, for those that are listening, it's a long sausage or snake-like smooth and soft stool. I'm reading the description, okay? So that's a great poop.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. That's great. So for those and we have a little toilet icon, but let's use that as the icon for constipation, even though they're not going to the toilet or they're just sitting on the toilet forever. Yeah. Where would you rank, you know, chronic constipation? F. F is one of the worst things for you. Yes. And give us some remedies for those people that are in that category.
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There are some very simple things that they could be doing to improve that.
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Yeah.
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That's great.
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Another big recommendation that I've heard you share is that It's so easy in this day and age, even if you eat a healthy diet, because there's so many tasty, healthy snack foods and other things. We just have so little fiber in our diets. Yeah. And one of the first things people should be doing after hydration is just track their fiber to see how much you're getting.
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I have so many friends that are shocked to see that they're like, oh my gosh, I eat so healthy. And they look at their fiber in a day and they're getting maybe 12 grams of fiber. Oh.
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So the classification are endocrine disruptors. What are they? And then give us some examples so that we can rank them on our list.
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I believe it was from one of our guests, Lane Norton. He would say for every thousand calories you have, not that everybody's tracking their calories, but sometimes, you know, people in general might know how much they're having.
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You should be shooting for 15 grams of fiber for every thousand.
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Calories.
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Yeah, on the minimum, at least. It might be a little bit, you know, slightly different, that formula, but we'll put that in the show notes. I know I feel best for me. I probably have like 2,200, 2,300 calories a day. I feel best around like 50, 60 grams of fiber. If I have a little bit more than that, I don't feel that great.
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Props to our ancestors that have been having 100 grams of fiber, you know? I feel great around like 50, 60 grams of fiber. I get all the benefits, but I don't feel too bloated or other stuff. Yeah. And some of my favorite sources of fiber personally, and I'd love to hear on your end. I know, you know, there's a whole spectrum of fiber that people can have. Yeah. There's soluble, insoluble.
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There's fibers that are high FODMAP, low FODMAP. Like I don't do too well with chickpeas, lentils, even though I grew up eating a lot of those foods.
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Interestingly enough, when my mom makes them, shout out to my mom, and they're made in more of the traditional pressure cooker style, which nobody makes anymore, I do much better. But if somebody's just putting chickpeas in a salad, I feel like I get very gassy very quickly. Yeah, that's so interesting. So I like... I like roasted edamame.
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They have like an organic roasted edamame snack at Whole Foods. Interestingly enough, I've tried so many different beans and I have no affiliation with this brand or type of bean, but there's these beans called lupini beans. Those are great. So high in fiber. They're high in fiber and I've never gotten bloated from them. So I don't know what's going on with those beans, but I feel so much better.
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And high in protein too. They're high in protein as well. Yeah, it's a great snack.
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avocado has a decent amount of fiber yeah lots of soluble and then i love berries same i i ate a pound of blueberries yesterday yeah because i ordered from this farm called king organic farms okay they're like the only blueberry again no affiliation with the company these are just like organic farmers that are doing it right they're an organic blueberry farm in florida
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And so many of the blueberries that we grow out there, people don't know about this. Again, you're balancing everything you're trying to do. Even if they're organic berries, most of the berries that are out there, they're grown hydroponically in plastic, plastic containers, and they're fed nutrients through the water, hydroponic, but they still can call it organic.
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And then these blueberries are grown in soil and they taste so much better. Wow. And they last literally, they last a month in my refrigerator. It's kind of nuts. That's shocking. So I ate a pound of them yesterday. Great source of fiber, great source of antioxidants. And I really enjoy them. What are some of your favorite ways to get fiber in the day? Oh.
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That's awesome. You know, one of the things that is there in this category of low hanging fruits that every day help our body's natural ability to detoxify itself is exercise. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about exercise. And where would you rank it on the list?
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Why? Tell us why.
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It's such an important reminder because it's easy to get upset at the world. It's easy to get upset at big food. It's easy to get upset at all these chemical companies, which largely came from a benevolent place, right? They weren't trying to make the environment toxic. They were just trying to make money by making our lives more convenient. And they did. But nobody really understood the downside.
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And that's where we're catching up. But plastics... There's so many plastics that are used in health care and devices and other stuff that literally have made our lives so much easier and have probably improved the health of the world. Yeah. Right. And that doesn't mean that we have to stay and live in this toxic soup.
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The reason I'm going on this monologue is that we can't maybe change that overnight. We definitely can't change it overnight, both in the world and our home. Yeah. But exercise, for example... Literally could combat so much of the damage that many of us are worried about by these things. It doesn't mean that we can't reduce that damage that's there.
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But if you're complaining about all these things and you're getting upset by all the things that we already have ranked as an F on our list. and you're not exercising, you have to take some personal responsibility and say, you got to do the hard things. You got to major in the majors and not get so upset by the toxic soup that we're in. It is upsetting, but exercising will help combat a lot of it.
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Yeah. So let's recap a little bit of some of the lists that you had of things that we can do. So going to the bathroom on a regular basis, we don't have an icon for that, but that's going to be an S or an A. Yes. Right.
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Not being constipated, supporting your body's natural ability to detoxify, having a good quality filtration system at home, a little bit of an investment up front, but it's going to save you money in the long term. Right. Reverse osmosis is typically what you recommend.
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Do you think this is an area that I've always been confused about? Do you think that a lot of people are relying on the minerals from their water separate from the water waste as a key part of their mineral supplementation on a daily basis? I genuinely don't know the question, so I'm asking.
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Great, great. So water filtration, right? We talked about air, constipation, making sure you're not constipated. We talked about exercise. What are the things are there now that we've covered a lot of those basics? What are the things are there that you want to remind people of that they can do to support their body's natural detoxification abilities?
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Yeah. Do you eat broccoli sprouts? I do. Yeah, I do. I take it both as a supplement, sulforaphane as a supplement. And then I like to throw broccoli sprouts or microgreens into my smoothie.
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So we have a bunch of cruciferous vegetables. Imagine that we also have some broccoli sprouts. Where are you going to rank them on our list? Definitely S. S. Right up there with exercise and having a filtration system.
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So what does that look like for you and how do you take it? Are you eating it just raw? Are you adding it to a salad? How do you take it?
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Oh, that's a great hack. I love that. Okay, great. So we have now added to the list. We have the cruciferous family. Again, broccoli, one part of it. Broccoli sprouts, supercharged part of it. What do you think about, you know, some of the supplements that are out there that have sulforaphane? I can't remember what brand I take, but is that another way to also get access?
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So I kind of like thought, Oh, well, if you find it, send it over. I've had on one of the top researchers on the podcast, Dr. Jed Fahey.
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He was the one doing a lot of these pivotal studies on sulforaphane. And from my knowledge from the episode, I think he said that, you know, up to a certain dose is okay as a daily sort of support for your body's natural detoxification. But I know things evolve and the research evolves.
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That's great. Amazing. So we were kind of going on that theme of just a reminder for our audience that even though the world seems crazy with all these toxins that are out there, there's a lot of stuff that we can do. One that we didn't talk about that is getting a lot more love in the last few years, even though it's been around forever, is sauna.
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Talk to us about sauna and where that fits into this category of supporting your body's natural ability to detoxify itself.
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Oh, that's fantastic. I know that for a lot of my friends who are all worried about this conversation of microplastics, we just think like, man, doing a sauna proactively on a weekly basis, besides the fact that it has all these studies linked to improving all cause mortality and other aspects, it just seems like a nice way to probably get rid of some of these plastics that build up in the body.
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Yeah. Fantastic. What kinds of sauna do you like and recommend for people?
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Is it punishment? You didn't do your homework, get in the sauna.
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I think anything that makes you sweat is going to be great. And even the club that I go to every so often here in L.A., they have infrared. And even though I love traditional sauna and I've seen all the studies and we've had on one of the prominent researchers, Dr. Susanna Soberg on the podcast. Yeah. And she's done a lot in cold therapy in particular.
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She's from Denmark, but she knows a lot about the heat side too. And her protocol is usually 20 minutes at 180 degrees is where you get that benefit, you know, done at least two times a week. But she said, listen, whatever you have access to, even if you don't have a sauna, If you can do a warm bath, not a hot bath that burns you, it should be a warm bath that you can still sit in.
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What are some household items that are examples?
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You stay in that for a while, you'll start to sweat a little bit. Sweating is good. Exactly. Sweating is good. Anything that makes you sweat, exercise. Anything that makes you sweat is going to be good. And an infrared sauna is going to make you sweat. Even at 150 degrees, you're going to sweat.
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Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic. What about red light? This is an area that you're super passionate about. You actually have a company in this space I'm a big fan of. Thank you. Talk to us about red light therapy.
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Of course, you're going to have a little bit of a bias because you have a company in it, but you got to rank it still, right?
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Yeah, no, I'm a huge fan of red light therapy. I, you know, you're always trying to habit stack. You're trying to take your habits and put them together. So what I've found that works well for me is I love to like dim the lights down, usually around like eight o'clock in our house, all this stuff. So we're not getting blasted by all this stuff. you know, blue light around the house.
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And then when I start to wind down and I go into my bedroom where I have like a little stretching set up, I'll put on the red light in the room and then I'll also just stretch a little bit. And then what I'll typically do is like a mindfulness practice, but also to get like
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the actual you know just because you have a red light on the room doesn't mean that you're getting like all that frequency exposure up close next to you so that i'll go closer to the red light yeah and i'll have like the loom box like right in front of my face or i'll put it on top you know i have a little stand for it so i'll shine it on top of my you know scalp a little bit to get some of the benefits on my scalp because you people hear people talk about you know the benefits there right i come in or if i have a little bit of inflammation in some area i might do that
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So I love to do it in the evening when I'm stretching, when I'm winding down. And I typically find that that helps me also just relax the nervous system. Because the blue light's off, the red light's on, and I'm just gearing up for a great night of sleep.
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Oh, it's amazing.
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Yeah. You even saw during the pandemic that you had a lot of practitioners talking about the powerful role that taking melatonin could have, especially like a lot of the plant-based melatonins that got a little bit more popular.
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And that's where red light therapy can be super beneficial.
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Mm-hmm. It's so important. And, you know, I feel for people who, you know, what are the top reasons that you see, especially being a practitioner? Like, what are the top reasons you see that especially people above the age of 40 feel like, you know, I used to sleep great. Let's start off with women. Right. Yeah. What are the top reasons you see that? Like, I'm not sleeping well as I used to.
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What shows up? Perimenopause. Perimenopause.
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What do you think about, for example, there's a lot of these plastic, you know, safe for food containers, you know, people are getting delivery or they're going to the store and they're like, hey, these are microwave safe, they're plastic, they're BPA free, right? Where would you rank those items?
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yeah and for the category of women in the perimenopause gearing up for menopause stage and the hormone imbalances that come on come along with it obviously it's so personalized but what would be the recommendations to them should they be looking for a practitioner who can talk to them about hormone replacement therapy um should they double down on a lot of like the lifestyle things that we talked about what directions do you want to send them in
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Yeah. That's great. Yeah. If anybody wants to learn more, we've done a really great interview with Dr. Lisa Moscone, who's a researcher in the space. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic. Anything else on the category of sleep that you want to highlight? Again, you know, everybody's learning and remembering, and I feel like the word has finally got out there that sleep is important.
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Now, whether or not people are doing it is a different sort of thing.
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But anything else that you've seen that can dramatically help people, especially in that 40 plus category who are feeling like, My sleep is off. I know it's off. I need to get it better, but I just haven't been able to. What else is very supportive for that?
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Because they're still plastic, but they're being told, people are being told that these things are safe. Guys, if you've ever, ever, ever wanted to try red light therapy, now is the time. Loombox is hooking up my community with 44% off their flagship device for only seven days. Trust me, you don't want to miss this.
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What does that look like for you? Do you have a formal practice?
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That's powerful. I remember reading a few months ago, we had him on the podcast. I know it can be a controversial guy for a lot of people, but we had Brian Johnson on the podcast.
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And he was saying that one of the biggest things that he's seen when it comes to his sleep score, he's known for having this record of 100% sleep score on Whoop, is that his sleep quality is directly related to his resting heart rate. So a few things play into that. of course, winding down at night.
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Did you know that there are over 4,000 studies on PubMed showing the benefits of exposing yourself to red light and near infrared light? Benefits like sharper cognition, healthier skin, faster muscle recovery, deeper sleep, and reduced joint pain and inflammation.
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He has his own routine that's there, but also to eating his, he eats his last meal way early in the day, but the recommendation on a practical level for most people is start by at least having, by the time that you're done eating, at least three to four hours before you go to sleep. I know when I have an earlier dinner,
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Not only do I feel better because I'll have dinner, I'll go on a walk with my wife around our neighborhood, but I also end up sleeping a lot better. And when I do look at my resting heart rate, my resting heart rate is usually a lot lower right before I go to bed.
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So whatever your resting heart rate is around, you know, right before you go to bed versus sometimes I know that even, especially for my wife, shout out to my amazing wife, she'll say that when...
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we're out with friends and i'm kind of a little bit more of a stoic individual like i listen very intently but i don't have a lot of reaction or other stuff i just listen i'll smile and i'll engage in conversation yeah my wife in the most beautiful way is very she's like everybody's number one cheerleader she's very extra right she's put so much of her emotion and her facial expressions and she's in it and people love her for that she's very charming and she'll come back no matter what dinner we're at and she's always feels like i'm so ramped up
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And our heart rate is up. And she's like, I never sleep as well. And I'm like, I know, babe, thanks for taking a hit for the team. You know, we wanted to catch up with friends and that's part of our social life. But yeah, I know winding down at night, eating earlier, those things all help us.
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I have a history of starting companies and there are periods of your time in your life where you have to do that. Yes, that's there. And The hope is that that becomes the exception to the rule that the base, or at least whenever you can, you're doing a lot of the things that we're talking here, especially the lifestyle components so that you set that great foundation.
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That's there for your health because there's plenty of people that have all the career success and money. Yeah. And they just wish that they were healthy. Right. And they don't have the health component.
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There's people that feel healthy, that literally feel so incredibly wealthy because they've invested in their body, they've invested in their family, in their relationships, in their home, in their food, in all those aspects. And they feel like, you know, they feel so wealthy internally. 100%. Yeah. Important, important items. Okay. So that's sleep.
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Most of us spend the majority of our time indoors, missing out on all the natural light exposures our body needs to thrive, especially for maintaining a healthy circadian rhythm. Even during the summer months, when longer days and higher temperatures place extra demands on our bodies, it's not always enough.
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Are you open to ranking a few more of these things that we didn't get a chance to rank? Yeah. All right. And I'm going to take one that I've heard you talk about before. And that is something very simple that many people can do to improve the quality of their air in their home. And that is plants. Adding a plant to your home. Where would you rank it? And why would you rank it there?
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Okay.
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Okay, great. So watch out for mold.
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Okay, great, great. All right, here's another one. Low-hanging fruit, something that people are waking up about, especially around this conversation around plastics. And that's the idea of these paper cups, which are really plastic cups, the disposable coffee cups. That are everywhere. Starbucks, your local coffee house. Where would you rank these? The daily consumption of these?
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F. F. If it's daily. We'll put it right there with constipation.
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What is the big problem? For anybody who's not gotten the memo on this, what's the big problem?
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Especially if you're doing it every single day.
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Yeah.
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And, and, and would you put a reusable cup? We have one here.
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Yeah, I have a Yeti. I love it. And I know it has a plastic top. I just take the plastic top off.
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And I just drink right from there. And if I need to keep it warm for a little while, sure, I'll keep the plastic top on top. But I don't even drink out of the plastic top for a Yeti because, again, I drink coffee or tea every day, sometimes two cups. Right. Am I going to live another...
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you know, knock on wood, I live a long time, but if I'm going to live another 50 years, 60 years from now, I don't want to be drinking out of a plastic hot thing every single day. And you can see that those Yeti lids, not to any other brand that's out there, Those plastic lids, they get, even if they're made with higher grade plastic, they get cloudy. Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, it's a big problem. Yeah. All right. Here's another thing that's a big problem when people go shopping and that's receipts.
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I feel like I'm still seeing so many people who have not gotten the memo about traditional receipts and why they're such an issue, like a sales receipt that people get. What's the problem with them and where would you rank them?
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Yeah.
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No, that's a great thing. And if there's a moment or situation where I have to get a receipt, I'll even sometimes just tell the cashier, Oh, you can just put it right here. I'll take a photo of it. Right. Right. Yeah. Cause usually I only need a receipt if it's like a business expense or whatever.
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And you can just, I take a photo in my QuickBooks app, you know, where I do my bookkeeping for my companies, or I just take a photo of my email and I forward it over to their website. Great. I have a photo of the receipt.
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Because you never, even if you keep a paper receipt, they just accumulate over a period of time. And it's not like anybody's really like filing them appropriately. A photo is going to last.
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Yeah. And my heart goes out to all the cashiers, you know, there's just, nobody knows. And there are places that are out there that are starting to get BPA free, but receipts, but I still worry about what other chemicals are on there.
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It's super easy to use. I keep it right on my dresser, and about 20 minutes before bed, I turn it on, sit in front of it, and soak it all in while chatting with my wife, reading a book, or doing some deep breathing. And here's the best part. Right now, Loombox is giving my community $280 off their portable red light device. That's 44% off from now until May 28th.
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Yes. At the work. Yeah. If you're a cashier, if you have to interact with receipts, yeah. Get gloves.
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That's going to be a great solution.
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Yeah. You know, here's another one that you've talked about that's gone viral a few times, and that's going back to this category of fragrances. These are scented candles, right? Not only do you get the scent, but also people don't realize like candles indoor and burning them frequently, it contributes to poor air quality.
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Yeah.
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um so you heat it's like a heat source on top and the the wax melts underneath it to you know release the scent or artificial candles yeah yeah you know this is one that i think that uh a lot of women are still getting the memo on there's a lot of alternatives that are out there but feminine hygiene products the traditional ones that are out there
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Why should people be concerned about them and pay attention to what they're purchasing?
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And a lot of these conventional ones, they're like hyper bleached.
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Wow. So it goes without saying, but that's an F. That's an F. And there's so many options that are better.
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That are out there. You can go to EWG, you can, you can go to different databases and there's so many more better for you brands that are out there.
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Right.
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What have you been seeing in this day and age? Obviously, they come from a household that is really on the up and up on these things. But even every parent, no matter how hard they try, their kids are growing into young adults and they're going to be you know, their own person one day, if they're not already their own person. Yeah. Right.
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What are some of the things that they're consuming or their friends are consuming that have you in a place where you're like, oh, you know what? I really don't like this. And I'm hoping that with the education and the home cooked meals and the things that they're learning that one day they'll realize that they'll back off of that. What is there? Gosh.
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You're like, okay, let me actually get out my Google Doc. That's a list. Like, I'll give you an example, right? Yeah. There was a recent independent group that came out. It was this entrepreneur and he made a bunch of money in tech. And he's from actually the Bay Area, San Francisco. Okay. Um, and he used a half a million dollars of his own money and he launched this project called plastic list.
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Have you seen this? No, I haven't. Okay. I'll send you the link on Twitter. I'm blanking on the entrepreneur's name, but we wrote a whole newsletter about it. And he said, okay, I'm going to take the common things. Cause everybody's talking about plastics, phthalates, microplastics, other stuff. I'm going to take the most common things that I eat in a day.
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And these are often healthy things, a lot of them. And I'm going to put my own independent team of researchers, and we're going to work with a lab, and we're going to do proper testing and sampling, and we're going to send it in to see exposure of different plasticizers that are inside of the food. Okay. They measured all sorts of things.
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One of the highest things that came back on the list was the daily bubble tea. Okay.
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Now, what he wanted to share with people is that often these companies, and by the way, I'm not throwing shade on Boba Tea, another really high source of plastics inside of there. And I think they were looking at BPA, polyurethane, they weren't looking at microplastics. Okay. Because that's still an emerging science. Right. Right. And I've talked to a few labs that are there.
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They're still standardizing exactly the way that they do it and other stuff. Yeah, it's very difficult. But they looked at, what did you say was the number one plastic that was there? Polyethylene. Polyethylene. They were looking at polyethylene and a few others. Okay. And they even found that
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brass fed ground beef from whole foods yeah had a high level and there was all these different speculations as why was it why is that going on what's there but bottom line is everything that he was consuming in a day had some plastic exposure but there were some things that had astronomic levels and you can go and see it at plasticlist.org yeah one of the number one things was bubble tea and
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Long story short about this, and I'll hand it back over to you to talk about your kids and what you're worried about or trying to figure out how to improve. The brand actually reached out that he tested and said, listen, we have no idea where this is coming from. We want to do better. Can you help us?
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And they actually set up a little process to help them investigate and put a little bit of a team. Because is it coming from the tapioca that they're ordering from a bigger supplier? Is it coming from something else? Is it coming from the kitchen? A lot of people don't realize, but you cannot have tapioca.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
even if you're a great brand that cares about people's health like a sweet green or a whole foods or whatever yeah you cannot have in the state of california you cannot have wooden cutting boards right you have to have plastic cutting boards and i think in some cases you might be able to have steel or or some metal surface as well okay but you cannot have wood cutting boards
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So is it coming from, you know, the plastic cutting boards? Is it coming from this? So they're going through this process where they're trying to figure out where is it all coming from? But that just blew my mind away. Every younger cousin of mine, I was like, you need to like watch out for your boba tea about this level. It was a month worth of plastic exposure.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
I think either it was a month or a year, something crazy in one single serving.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
I think that they took a sample, multiple samples that were there at different times. And I have to imagine that they're taking both some of the liquid and as well, one of the boba, the tapioca balls, right? Okay. I'm imagining it's gotta be, because if they're looking for...
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
I believe what they did for certain drinks is they blended it because we talked about talk with one of the researchers that was involved. OK, you're trying to get a ubiquitous sample that's there. So I believe they blended it and they put it in Ziploc bags that have already been standardized for the level of plastic inside of them. So they doesn't add extra contamination. Right.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
And then they sent it in. So I don't know what it was, but I think it was blended.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
And they also looked at like Starbucks coffee and they looked at this, which did rank high, but Boba ranked exceptionally high. Wow. For whatever reason. Gosh.
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Everybody went through that.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Exactly. You push too hard. Yeah. You're going to get retaliation. Right.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah, yeah. It reminds me, I saw this meme, like the original Gatorade was not like crazy. It was water, sugar, salt, potassium, and lemon juice. That was the original Gatorade. Wow. Obviously now there's dextrose, there's phosphate gum. We'll put this graphic up. I'm sharing my screen, but it's not the most natural flavors. Yellow five, which hopefully I think is being banned right now by RFK.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
But yeah, the original Gatorade was not crazy, but it just has gotten so crazy. in this space.
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Right. It's really a problem. But the good news out of all this is that it really does feel that the momentum is picking up and people are paying attention. Yes. For a lot of my friends who have teenagers, they're starting to notice that it's trending on things like TikTok and social media for a lot of the kids that they're waking up and then understanding that like,
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okay maybe i shouldn't always eating be eating fried seed oils as like a huge staple in my diet and you know it's going along with this awareness and them learning from other people but i think you made an important point which is that you can't push too hard if you do you'll get all this revenge behavior that's there and as somebody who ate like crap all throughout high school uh
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
At home, I ate great because my parents were very healthy and made home-cooked meals. When I got into college and I would see how often my college roommates would get sick and how poorly they ate, how quickly a lot of them gained weight even, right? The classic sort of freshman 15 or 20. That's actually when a lot of the behaviors and lessons that my parents taught me kicked in.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
And I was like, I don't want to be sick. Right. I don't want to be dealing with all this other stuff that people have. And I've seen so many of my friends say that their kids went through the same thing. They leave home. All of a sudden they see how other people are living and they go back to the values that you taught them in the household.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah, you're going to get pushback. That's going to be there. We gave our parents pushback in some capacity. And that's all part of the process. But yeah, health is becoming more mainstream. More and more podcasts from all sides of the political aisle are talking about health. And people are realizing that this topic of toxins, everybody cares about it. Right, right.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Everybody wants their household healthy. their food for their kids, for their family, for themselves. They want a cleaner source. And people actually do care about the environment as well, especially when you stop preaching to them and you start educating them, which you're so great at doing. And I want to acknowledge you.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
There's not that many doctors that are up and up on the latest research, but then there's also not that many that use a platform like you do on Instagram and going on podcasts to make it relatable, make it fun, which you absolutely did in today's episode.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
And I think that's important because people just want to get educated and then they're going to prioritize in their own household what's the right fit for them. So we got to make sure we don't fear monger, but we present the right information. And of course, the majors that everybody can do, which you did in today's episode. This has been a huge blast for me.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
And I know for our audience as well. Any final words that you want to leave our community with?
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
It's so true. It's such a great reminder. All little things, they add up. And while you're doing the little things, which we gave you plenty of swaps and things to focus on today, never lose sight of the big things. Exercise, great sleep. Yep. Right. Community. Yep. Meditation. Poop. And poop. Yes. Yeah, you gotta poop.
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Gotta poop. Where can people go if they want to keep in touch with you and find out more about all the great stuff you're up to?
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Yeah, we'll put that in the show notes below. Dr. Vivian, this has been fantastic. I'm so glad this worked out. We've been in touch for a little while now, but we got you on the podcast and I think it was a great episode.
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So on that note, so much of the food that we all buy, even if it's organic or grass fed or wild caught meat, a lot of that is wrapped in plastic wrap. That's just sort of our industrial food system that we're in right now. Right. Right. I don't think that you're advocating because I know your work so well that we shouldn't be eating those things because a lot of those things are healthy.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
It's just that you want people to be aware of making changes where they can. So what sort of changes should people be making?
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Glass Tupperware.
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If you would rank glass Tupperware just right off the bat, you'd put it where? S. S, right at the top. It'd be supreme. Yeah. So any sort of glass option to basically, even if you get food in plastic from the grocery store, try to take it out, transfer to glass.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's almost like we can't avoid these things, you know, completely in our lives, but you have to make sure you don't fall into the trap of, oh, well, just because we can't avoid them, whatever, you know, we just got to, you know, just keep on living our lives and whatever exposure.
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But talk to us, you know, you are an expert in the space around toxins and the role and the impact they play on our health. Remind people just how important that even with some of these swaps, and we have a bunch more that you're going to be talking about, we can notice significant differences in our toxic exposure.
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Crazy.
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Yeah. In fact, that was on one of your lists. You have a viral post on Instagram. Please, everybody follow Dr. Chan on Instagram. You have a viral post on Instagram where you talk about canned foods in particular. So we have an icon of canned foods. This is a canned corn that's here. Let's rank it. And then let's talk about what people can be looking for instead.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
And again, this isn't about throwing out all your canned stuff overnight. This is about minimizing your exposure and also not going crazy because just like me and you, We're going to be eating out sometimes. Even at a healthy restaurant, they're going to be using canned vegetables, right? We're not going to go crazy and worry about that every time. Exactly.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
like the modern world is coming for your mental health in a way that we're all seeing you know there's a lot of some ways controversy what's making all the numbers go up why are so many more people depressed why do so many people more people have conditions like autism and ptsd etc And certainly there are some concerning root causes of those in our environment.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
um the top one and then take us from there generalizing to our population what's the taking the number one toll on our population and our mental health today i would say the top risks of the ones that you just described probably is sleep when you don't sleep well you're not cleaning out the waste in your brain you're not really processing all the complex emotions that we're having you're not consolidating memory so some of that brain fog just not feeling your best low mood
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I kind of put sleep there as fundamental. It's hard for me to decide between sleep and nutrition, Drew, because they're so biologically foundational, right? Nutrition is, this is what your brain is made of. You've got a diet with a lot of magnesium or not. You've got a diet with a lot of omega-3 fats and fiber or not.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And so those two are really hard for me to differentiate between in terms of, again, like these foundational pieces.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I just, you've got to, you've got to get sleep on. They teach us in psychiatry residences, you know, the most dangerous thing is when someone is not sleeping, your patients are sleeping, you know, it's okay. You can sleep. But if your patients are sleeping, like you've got to be very concerned, the risk. And I think everybody listening and drew, you know, to the risk.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
uh is quite severe especially i don't know how other people experience this so much but for me at 2am when i have insomnia my brain is in a very strange place chemically i tend to be more catastrophic i i tend to have a lot more negative thinking not all the time but but frequently it's not it's not a time that i like being awake with my brain to be honest
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
and so i think for a lot of people uh you know when you begin to have mental health symptoms when you begin to not sleep it's also a time when we tend to ruminate right so that notion that now we're up we're ruminating we're having negative thoughts um so along with all the neurobiological part we're not cleaning out waste right we're not engaging in all these uh you know very important kind of healing processes that are going on in the brain during sleep
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
There's also just the encountering the psychology of being with ourselves and not kind of the best state. And so I think those things certainly contribute. Nutrition, as I said, it's just 70% of the calories most people eat come from ultra processed foods. And so we say that word a lot, And I just think that that's food that isn't simply prepared.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
If you're processing it with a chef's knife or your blender, okay, that's great.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
But these foods that are made of food products, as so many of your guests have talked about, are really at the center of the problem that we're having when you look at the statistics of these basic fundamental nutrients for mental health, like fiber, like folate, like vitamin E, and the majority of Americans aren't getting them every day.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And then the point I often like to make, and that was very important for me as a physician, we don't know where to get them. Everybody likes to debate which type of magnesium to take. Is it glycinate or is it citrate? But I find very few people know what their favorite magnesium food is or their top five.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And I think it's really important that we translate this knowledge about nutrition into our everyday choices of nutrition. You mentioned environmental toxins. And so I think that probably depends on exposure. Certainly some people listening, if you've had a lot of environmental toxin exposure, that might really be the top thing going on. I'm probably...
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
of the camp that it is the minority of people struggling with their mental health problem, that it comes directly from a singular toxin. And there's certainly certain examples of that in the literature and in the world. But, you know, there are certainly a few classic examples.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And I think what this book wanted to do is to ask people to think about what are the evidence-based tenets, what are things that we can agree on that are vital for our mental health, kind of like with nutrition. And it's just changed so much that there is low-hanging fruit for a lot of us in terms of improving our brain health and mental health.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Someone gets mercury poisoning, you know, but it's not so clear that, hey, you get a bunch of microplastics and the next day you're depressed.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
other than the number one environmental toxin of course out there drew that is just lurking uh totally destroying america's health which is alcohol and that that certainly is the number one environmental toxin that if they're for all of the talk of microplastics and mercury and mold and all this other stuff it's like no the number one problem in america when it comes from toxins or comes to toxins is certainly alcohol it's just um a bane on our society
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
It would look a lot like the diet that some people are eating on an average day of American food. You wake up and you, first of all, you're going to have caloric excess. You're going to have some breakfast cereal, maybe low-fat yogurt, you know, might still be in that kind of low-fat, trying for low calories, but not eating really satiating foods kind of mindset.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
So I think that in some ways that big lie out there is that we don't know, that we can't figure this out, and that you are in a state where you shouldn't have a lot of confidence about your own potency to heal your mental health.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
There is gonna be a lot of processed food, right? So you're gonna experience a lot of intense flavors, a lot of sweetness, a lot of saltiness, this nice palatability of fats and sugars. The rest of the day could be some snacking, some ultra-processed food, some fast food, a nice burger and fries. It's a great study that came out, Drew, a couple of years ago now about fried foods.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And the people who eat the most fried foods had an increased correlational risk of anxiety. This is a large UK biobank study. And it was kind of showing what some of the new nutritional psychiatry studies are looking like, where they find this correlation. And then the researchers are like, huh, what is it about Western food that makes people have more anxiety?
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And they said, oh, they're the signal in fried foods. And so they created an animal model. It was a zebrafish model where they found they took acrylamide, which is this byproduct when you make French fries. Especially when things get like really charred. Yeah, exactly. Acrylamide is a byproduct of this mallard reaction in time for sort of heating up fats and proteins.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And so acrylamide to these zebrafish ended up really disrupting their behavior. Zebrafish tend to pull together. They'd be curious and they'd kind of go explore stuff. When they'd put new things in the tank, the zebrafish would just kind of move around chaotically. They wouldn't pull together.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And the researchers kind of took this as an indication that, huh, it seems like these are more anxious, more depressed zebrafish. They don't want to partner together. They don't want to explore. They're not as confident. They don't want to work together and connect. So who knows? But a lot of fried foods.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And when you compare that, what is a French fry compared to an oven roasted potato or even a potato in an air fryer? When you oven roast a potato with some olive oil, you reduce acrylobide by 90%, 95% in the data I've seen. So that's an example. Lots of fried food, you're going to probably start to get a little schlumpy, so let's hit you with a few energy drinks in the afternoon.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Not that it's horrible to have a little...
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
uh energy uh type of drink maybe early in the afternoon but i really think people should go coffee tea you know simple lots of antioxidants lots of data that it helps um and so as you're seeing you know you're you're also i want people to think about the colors i'm describing it's beige it's not full of all these vibrant colors that we want to see on your diet it's not these basics of
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And I'm all for people getting lots of professional help, but I also think there's so much in the evidence about some of our lifestyle choices that we've got to get the message out there
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
nutritional psychiatry, I have my little rhyme, seafood greens, nuts and beans, and a little dark chocolate, which I think people remember from the last time I was on, I'm just thinking about what are these food categories that are really nutrient dense, that have the most calories that we need for our mental health.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I feel, yes. I feel that we're not maybe talking of how bad it is. I guess I feel more that on an individual level, we're having a hard time taking individual actions today. I think that in healing the modern brain, I get into the first tenet of self-awareness and I get into the notion of externalization. And what you're talking about is, I think, true.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
That we are set up that the cheapest calories, right, are the worst for us. That just to get by and feed your family, boy, when you do something that, in my mind, as a parent and as a physician, is a nice move in the beginning of the day, which is to have some eggs. You know, and until recently, that's been a pretty economical move. A dozen eggs used to be five bucks.
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and then shift this model like probably the biggest lie as you call it is that you want to wait until you're symptomatic to see me i hate this model it's sort of the idea that like i'm only useful when you're really sick when you're in a crisis and i'm very handy in a crisis you know that's what i'm trained to do but i don't know You're probably not in the midst of a psychiatric crisis.
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That's filled with controversy for a lot of people. The idea that you're going to go and again, have a simple 70 calorie egg, perfect protein, nice way to start the day.
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Well, I think controversial is that this is traditionally a food that's been thought to be high cholesterol or high saturated fat that tend to be avoided. I think that Eggs were one of those foods that's always been kind of lambasted, right, in a certain way in the science. Eggs are also one of those foods that I think everyone should always be suspicious if all of us are only citing one study.
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What study besides the heart avert egg study does anyone talk about when it comes to eggs and risk? Until recently, there weren't really any. And then as we get a little bit more mature data about including eggs in the diet, I think the most recent data, they look pretty good. And so, so I'll just say, you know, are we being set up? I think so.
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And in a certain way, that's where some of the motivation for this book comes from is to get out of that stance a bit and think about, you know, how are you contributing to that? Are you walking into Walmart and buying garbage? Are you walking into Walmart and buying wild salmon, pesto, anchovies, kefir? All the best brain foods are right there. I don't mean to mention Walmart. It could be Costco.
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It could be any big box store. But the idea that, you know, the setup... I think the setup in part is misinformation and lack of knowledge. And then I think the setup in part, and we see this so often, I love these inspirational stories. I see this all the time in my practice where people can take control of their health. They do. It radically shifts. You aren't eating plants.
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You start eating more plants, more fermented foods. Your health starts to shift. Almost always when people do one of these tenets, you start moving your body a little bit more. It's almost you can't do that without starting to care more about your nutrition. Boy, once you care about your nutrition and you're moving your body more, you're going to probably sleep better tonight, is my guess.
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That's what all the data seems to suggest. Now you're moving your body. Boy, your risk of depression just plummeted. And if you have depression, you've just engaged in an activity that's equal to the antidepressant Zoloft at 18 months in high-quality trials. So there's a way these tendons kind of begin to inform one another. And are we being set up?
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Is it a pathogenic culture by which you can end up with severe mental health problems if you don't take certain steps? Yeah, I think so. I think everybody probably agrees. We end up eating, again, lots of processed foods. having all of our relationships on the screen or digitally.
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If we don't think about our connections in the modern world, if you don't think about your connections really in your lifespan as you're aging, how I think about my relationships now in my 50s is very different than I thought about things in my 20s. So continuing to engage in these tenants, I hope gives people this framework like we have for physical fitness.
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Because you ask people, you know, we all know what we should be doing, right? Everybody knows, like, exercises for their core, we want to make our biceps big, right? Or we want to work on our endurance or our flexibility, all these kind of categories when it comes to physical health. When it comes to our mental health, I find we don't have as much.
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There's not really the same kind of robust notion of, hey, a couple times a week, like three or four, or I argue every day, just like your physical health, in some way you want to pay attention to it, check in with your body and work on it. You want to do the same thing with your mental health. You want to create a framework for yourself of mental fitness.
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And I think that allows us to be more insulated around the mental health challenges that may come our way. You look at statistics, all of us are going to deal with mental health challenges at some point in our life. And then also, if you're in a mental health challenge of some type, these give you things to focus on that are under your control.
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Drew, if we got into it about your mental health right now, you had some ideas, some concerns, some questions, some things you wanted to put on an agenda of, hey, we're going to engage in these types of maybe behaviors. We're going to have a conversation about some aspects of yourself or your history. We'd have a great mental health conversation.
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Everything in the book, all of these tenets, for the most part, they're free. They're things that we can do.
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Well, I wouldn't say I put it exactly like that. I think it's all chemicals up there, Drew. It's all molecules.
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We need to understand the chemical imbalance theory came from an idea that depression and mental health disorders really primarily exist in the brain. And that when we change chemicals in the brain, when you give someone MDMA or when you give them Prozac, you're shifting chemicals in the brain. I think that's very true.
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I think what isn't helpful in what a lot of patients experience is that simply getting on a medication doesn't get them all the way better. And we know antidepressants work for maybe 60% of people. 40% of people aren't getting a benefit then. That's a lot of people. What we want to move away from, I think, is a simple theory that depression is just one thing.
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Because I think we then approach it that first of all, you wait until you're really depressed.
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Yeah, serotonin is great. But serotonin is like Madonna in the 90s. I've listened to a lot of other music. I like Madonna. Classic. Great. Really important. Just like serotonin. Really important neurotransmitter. Anybody who's saying that serotonin isn't involved in depression or mental health, I don't think has been in the mental health world.
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I mean, I give antidepressants that modulate serotonin every day. And you see things happen very quickly with people in terms of their symptoms, in terms of their experience of the world.
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And so a lot of what we're seeing right now, I think, in the controversy around serotonin 1, there are a lot of people talking who probably shouldn't be because they don't prescribe these medications, they haven't taken these medications, or they've had limited experiences.
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Pleasure to have you here in LA. True. It's great to be back with you. It's such a treat for me to kind of have these touchstones in my life, get to come back and speak with you and talk to you about a new book.
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Now, if you take a medicine and you have a horrible experience of it, of course, your generalized notion is like, oh, there's a bad thing. When you're in my position, as a lot of clinicians are, where you see a lot of different people take these medicines, you get very humble very quickly because you see they work profoundly well for some people, like life-saving.
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And you see for other people, they don't help at all. And it's really confusing. And again, it gets right to this idea of it's not one thing.
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if you come to me and you have profound inflammation you had a horrible development all kinds of development neglect you just went through divorce and you're drinking too much is that a serotonin problem serotonin is involved in your mood but when we think about how to address that clinically it's not like the only thing i say is like you got to get that serotonin up
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It's a much more complex clinical process of what we engage in with patients. And so I think what I wanted to address, because it has bothered me, is there's this kind of gotcha notion that psychiatry has been totally off base and that antidepressants and SSRIs have no efficacy and they shouldn't be involved in the story. And that's just not true in the data.
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We'd be talking probably more about what I'm calling mental fitness. How do we kind of keep moving the ball down the field when it comes to our mental health?
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What is also clear, though, is we've got to do more than have a mental health system where all we think about when it comes to a psychiatrist is like, all I've got for you is a med. Because that's not true. I'm a psychotherapist. I sit and talk with patients. I mean, mental health professionals sit and talk with patients more than any other field in medicine.
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And I think we need to honor more around, it's not just serotonin and medications aren't the only intervention we have, but we do need to be aware that there's so much stigma around those that most people aren't probably getting the right care or an ability to approach and kind of appreciate how those medicines can or can't help them. That's, I think, the main problem we're having.
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Well, there are a couple. So for sure, Prozac, I talk about this in the book. Prozac, our prototypical SSRI selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor antidepressant, is a powerful central anti-inflammatory. So again, the same crowd often that's talking about how awful Prozac is, is also talking about how we want to get rid of inflammation.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
One of the ways to get rid of inflammation in the brain, some of the antidepressants are great anti-inflammatories. The other thing that some of these medications do, and probably a bit of a final common pathway for a lot of our interventions, is how they affect neuroplasticity.
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And so the idea that, you know, you see these sound bites that just sort of frustrate me, like there's not a serotonin deficiency in the brain. It's like that. Or it's not a Prozac deficiency in the brain.
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And it's just, it just kind of speaks to not having a very nuanced kind of sense of some of these medications are triggering receptors, right, that then lead to an increase in neuroplastic processes. You get more BDNF, brain-derived neurotrophic factor, right? And so, again, they don't work for everybody, but when they work, it's really impressive.
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And I'd probably argue in the history of medicine, find a medication class, one that's been as scrutinized as SSRIs, two that's been as effective in treating, you know, something that never historically has been treated. In the history of the human race, we've never really done a good job taking care of our mental health, ever. Everyone's had depression throughout.
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There's been depression throughout history, but this is really the first time we have something One, we have all these lifestyle factors we're talking about in the book. They have a lot of evidence behind them that help our mental health. And then two, you know, when you need more treatment, there's just, we know more about these medicines.
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We know more about what are effective evidence-based interventions than ever before. So it's like a better time than ever before to have mental health problems. I think where I get frustrated is there's a notion of like, oh, we've been wrong for 35 years. And I was like, I don't think any psychiatrist out there that I know who's trained in the modern world thought it was all about serotonin.
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Like that idea of a chemical imbalance is to help people think that It's not because you're an awful person. It's because there are some things going on, a mix of your environment, a mix of your genetics, and then probably an expression of your epigenetics, how your genes get played, that's really underlying your mood state. And let's try and address that given all the tools we have.
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Yeah, I think it's a good point also that people sometimes don't have the time or resources. It all sounds great. Start eating leafy greens and seafood, start working out, 150 minutes of exercise once a week. When you're a busy parent with a job and you're depressed, That sounds great. It's really hard to do.
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And I think, you know, when we talk about kind of like a quick fix, I think that when we think about nuanced stigma-free mental health care, which is the system that we need to move towards, where we do more preventatively to care for our mental health, we have more options available. It would be really great right now if all generic psychotropic medications were free to all Americans.
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That would really help with the major, major problem we're having in terms of the efficiency of our economy. The top drag on our economy is clinical depression by far, which is very clear. Mental health disorders are really what is the top cause of disability in America. And so we think about, okay, well, what can we do? Boy, there's some low-hanging fruit.
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You know what a lot of us did over the last two years, Drew? After all of this training, I spent a significant amount of my week feeling like a drug dealer because my patients and I'd have to call around to the pharmacies to try and find who had a formulation of a stimulant because they'd been well-treated for years and now their meds are gone.
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No one really explained, like, why did the stimulant supply to America get cut off for about a year and a half?
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I'm not sure. I was busy trying to find it for my patients.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Not SSRIs so much. That happens sometimes. It happened more with Wellbutrin in the past, but more with Adderall, the psychostimulants. And so we've seen this kind of huge surge in an interest in people pursuing or thinking about that some of what they're struggling with is maybe not depression, but is ADHD. So there's been an increase in diagnosis of ADHD.
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Treatments for ADHD, organizational therapy really helps quite a bit, but oftentimes people end up taking stimulants. And yeah, the stimulant supply in America just got kind of totally disrupted, totally.
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No, not at all. I think it's because that our medication supply hasn't been protected. I mean, if you have millions of people who are taking a medicine, they're engaged in treatment, it's working, and then those medicines aren't available. And it's so stigmatizing too, Drew. I mean, if you're an executive and suddenly you're calling around to pharmacy to pharmacy, hey, do you guys have Adderall?
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Hey, do you have Ritalin? And so that's improved, but I just, and I don't mean to get onto attention, it's just like, it's one of those things when it comes to really taking mental health seriously, there are just some things that we could do that would be very helpful, giving people better access to medications when they need them, giving people better access to some of what we're talking about.
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our brains are changing we just learned that there's a teaspoon of plastic in our brain you know not sensational science from the you know uh corners of the wellness world like in nature a teaspoon so our brains have never had a teaspoon of plastic in them before just just explain that for people that are not familiar you're talking about microplastics and some recent studies so sorry there's a big study came out in nature really one of our most respected scientific journals
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There's no way for me to prescribe exercise. There are some states where I can prescribe food. And so a lot of where we have the mental health system that we do is that there really aren't some of the capacities that we would hope for to really help people engage.
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Again, if you're really depressed, if you have a men's group that shows up and is like, hey, man, let's go for a walk, let's go for a run, we know you're feeling down, for sure you're going to go on a walk or a run with those guys. You know, it's easy peasy. Without that, some people, but it's very hard again to get motivated.
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Yeah, I mean, I think you're also talking about how sometimes the field doesn't update itself quickly enough. You know, now nutrition is in the WHO depression treatment guidelines, really all of the major depression treatment guidelines, really through the work of Felice Jacka and her crew, the Mood and Food Academy at Deakin University in Australia.
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Felice is probably our top nutritional, not probably, Felice is the top nutritional psychiatry researcher in the world. And she has worked so hard to make sure that our standards for treatment include nutrition and exercise. So I would say any clinician who's not saying, hey, one, at least in forming alliance, tell me your thoughts about how food relates to your mental health.
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Because what I hate is when patients are interested in something, hey, I really think my food is contributing to my anxiety. And you hear stories where clinicians shut that down. Happens all the time. I think it does.
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I think part of that is we have a healthcare system that isn't based around food. You know, most doctors get some training on food. I still argue, you can see this criticism, 26 hours of nutrition education for the average physician in America. I do like to point out that's 26 hours of medical school education, which is pretty complex. That's on top of like a year of biochemistry.
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And that's a lot of training. It often gets criticized, like doctors have no training in nutrition. But that 26 hours is a lot of lectures, especially, again, at a graduate medical level. And again, I think things are shifting. I finished my medical degree 25 years ago.
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so things have shifted you know there are more and more medical schools now with culinary medicine curriculums you know i think there are more doctors than ever who are curious about this i think there's more uh excitement engagement for example in the lifestyle medicine which really focuses on things like nutrition and sleep so and then i think what you're talking about sometimes is where people have a mismatch with their clinician and they don't do anything about it
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And not everybody has the privilege and the freedom to choose their doctor. But if you do, and you're in a situation like Drew describes where you're not feeling listened to, kind of, again, to get away from the externalization of like, you got to change your doctor. You've got to find somebody who's going to engage with you in the way where you feel supported in your journey to health.
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looking at microplastics, nanoplastics, these very small plastic molecules, and finding there is a lot of that stuff in our brain. They estimated about a teaspoon. It's throughout our body. We don't know exactly what that does. There's some basic bench science that it can trigger more inflammation,
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It's one of my favorite things about being a psychiatrist. I get to treat people of all kinds of different values and backgrounds. And my job is to take good care of them, not to judge their values.
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And so, you know, you want to have a good fit with your clinical team when you have, especially when you have mental health concerns, because that really, when you look at all the data, like what, like trying to understand, for example, like what psychotherapy works the best, the data tends to tell us like it's when there's a good fit.
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You know, someone who has good training and a good sense of psychotherapy in terms of on the clinical side, but also that you feel a good fit, you feel safety and that you're in a place where you can express yourself and not be judged.
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There were a couple of things in food, Drew. What really blew me away was in some of the other tenants, to be very honest. When I, in fact, I brought this journal for you. This is for you, a little moose journal. And I'd love you to fill that up with all of your deep middle-aged male thoughts. The data, for example, on journaling, the research on what's called affective labeling, is striking.
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When we engage in journaling, we increase the activity of our frontal lobes, the part of our brain that's involved in executive functioning, getting stuff done, making decisions. Again, part of our brain that for a lot of people we're struggling with, with all of this kind of overwhelm. And so, again, a simple idea of carving out some time to write to yourself.
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I particularly encourage people to write about powerful feelings, struggles, try to kind of get to a point, get to what you're trying to tell yourself, kind of like we do in a good psychotherapy session. It all adds up to something in a good session. Is there a framework or you just want people free journaling? I put some different prompts in the book.
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I'm an old school psychiatrist and I just want to hear what's on your mind raw, just like one thought to the next. And so I'm a big fan of just get it out on the page, really as raw as you can. That doesn't work for everybody. I think I've had a lot of therapy and I've spent a lot of time journaling.
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There's a concerning correlation between people who had dementia having more plastic in their brain. But I think it's an example of there's something new and there are clear steps. In our household for the last 20 years, we've tried to heat nothing in plastic. We don't have a lot of plastic.
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So if you're new to it, we have some prompts in the book, you know, things thinking about some of your goals, thinking about fears, thinking about aspects of yourself that you're struggling with or aspects of yourself you want to be kinder about. And so, you know, certainly there are all kinds of also directed journals. There are journals that have a lot more prompts or that are set up in a way
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I really encourage people in the book to experiment and as opposed to there being kind of one way or one prompt to try and figure out how you can get in the habit of self-reflection and get in the habit of more self-awareness around your emotional states, where they come from and what they mean.
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And so in terms of what was like new for me in the book was seeing all the science behind some of these mental fitness activities that over the years I've seen really work for my patients. Things like going out in nature. The idea that just going out in nature and walking is what I did last night. I flew in and I got right out to the beach.
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Just had to get out there and just kind of feel the universe a little bit, settle down for a little bit. uh really uh does a lot for me in my mental health when you look at the data on you know just getting out in the nature one time does profound things it really shifts your brain or when you look at even just people seeing more green space It settles things down in our nervous system.
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Really kind of cool. So I would say those types of things, or in forests, I always love going into forests. I always feel like something settles down. They're actually these molecules we inhale, phytocytes, which kind of activate and improve our immune system. So again, I think probably what surprised me, there's a little bit of the nutrition chapter. I get into ketogenic diets a little bit.
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There's some data there that's new. Talk a little bit about some of the new research in the microbiome. And that's one of the central themes in the book. So I try to say, hey, step one for everyone, I want you to up-level how you're thinking about mental health.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
If you're still thinking just serotonin or you're spending all your time arguing about whether meds work or not, this is not where you should spend your time and your energy. You should spend your time and energy thinking about these new kind of three arenas. We think about neuroplasticity now, we think about inflammation, and we think about the microbiome when we think about mental health.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
So it's really striking to see a lot of these tenants. Like we talk about social isolation. Social isolation decreases the diversity of your microbiome, which tends to correlate with worse health outcomes.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
It's like not the kind of thing we used to think about in terms of how some of these aspects of our life, like how social we are, have direct biological effects on things like our inflammatory factors in our microbiome.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
there wasn't science that plastic was bad it just seemed i don't know like something that was kind of new and that was a little concerning based on some of the data i was seeing even back my first book in 2011 the happiness diet we went through a list of the chapter that got cut on toxins And all of these plasticizers were known concerning chemicals back then.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Oh, it's really true. My dad took up a Zoom yoga class and went from not doing yoga to, oh, he's 86 now. And he's got this class. He loves these guys. And they do yoga together by Zoom. He has a little like. place set up in the house where he does it. And I found it very relieving because of what you're talking about.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
This idea that, you know, as we age, you certainly can kind of end up in your study, going through stuff, you know, not really connecting with other people. And so sometimes it's something digital like that, you know, something new that we can engage in a group or we can engage in a yoga class. I think the most powerful are when we get out and about in some way and have commitments in our schedule.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I think particularly as we age, that's really important. I see my wife do a really good job of that. We moved to a new community. And it's been for me like a masterclass in connection building.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I mean, it's really been impressive to see her make sure that she's volunteering and having lunches and going on walks with people and really just making those connections and building community in a way that I've just found very inspiring as I've been doing some of that myself, but not as impressively.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
But I think about that in some ways, trying to set up the next 30 years of making sure that within my community and a new community, I've got a lot of connections and I've got some commitments, you know, things on my calendar that I'm engaging in. I just, as you're saying, as we age, it's one of those really, really important facts that I think we miss.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
You know, there's so much focus right now on like living longer. I guess I appreciate that, okay. I don't know who kind of decided that we need more time or that we're not doing enough with the time we have. I think one argument could be made that a lot of people maybe needing to live longer aren't maybe doing enough with the time that they have. But maybe that sounds a little judgmental.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I'm sure I'll want to live longer as I'm getting older. But the notion, though, of really trying to fill the years you have with a depth, with an engagement, with a sense of connection, and with a sense of reality. Like in that first tenet being self-awareness, if you're 65 and isolated, today is a day where there is possibility for you of just doing the very first little thing
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
That was like, what, 15 years ago at this point? So when we talk about what's changed, there's more weird stuff in our environment. Not to fearmonger, but just to kind of be more clear. You can't kind of go around the world right now just kind of living your life, doing what everyone's doing.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
threads of more connection. Maybe it's that you have not been leaving the house and so you're going to go leave the house. I was working with a patient recently that that was our goal. Again, it's hard for some people to kind of conceptualize that being so depressed you can't leave the house, but that's where some people are.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
But you see those first threads of connection when people, you know, it can be the littlest thing, someone saying hi, someone being nice. It kind of lights up the human spirit in a way.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Okay, well, everybody, let me tell you where I am with the psychedelics because I just want to give people my context because I think I sound a little contrarian sometimes. Like sometimes I get, yeah, I think I sound contrarian. When I moved to Wyoming, I did some training in ketamine-assisted psychotherapy.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Ketamine is a dissociative anesthetic, and if dosed correctly, gives you a brief psychedelic experience. Unlike psilocybin, where you can have journeys or trips that last, you know, four, six, eight hours, Ketamine tends to be a much shorter acting, more of a maybe 20 minutes to 45 minutes of a kind of deeper psychedelic experience.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I was very excited with all of the data coming out and this idea that MDMA was going to get scheduled. Then I wanted to prepare a clinic where we could safely give these compounds. I built a team and we had a protocol. And I don't know what I think. I think one, the data is shifting a little bit. I think two, people haven't really paid attention to some of the costs and side effects.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And one of the things that happens during psychedelic journeys is people recover memories and people recover experiences. People enter into very effusive and sometimes grandiose affective states. And so there's certainly some powerful healing that's happening. I think there's also a lot of avoidance that's happening.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And there's a flooding of the mental health field with people who don't have training in mental health that are approaching it from a kind of psychedelic perspective. I think it's also very concerning. There's a very large kind of anti-psychiatry movement within the psychedelic movement that...
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Somehow their tickling of the 5-HT2A serotonin receptor is okay, but the ways that we get involved with serotonin in psychiatry aren't. And I think this is where I sound, again, a little contrarian that I don't think people are paying attention to how complex it is to deliver psychedelic medicine effectively.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
uh to deliver a ketamine assisted psychotherapy session is three to four hours um two clinicians in the space again because you're gonna have somebody who's significantly impaired uh it it's just a very complex and then kind of expensive you extend that with psilocybin to an eight hour journey it's just a lot of time and then that's just the beginning right there's there's really good integration if you're doing a good protocol where you're coming and talking about what happened
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
You're going to end up doom-scrolling, eating mostly processed foods, getting lots of microplastics in your diet, getting lots of flame retardants. I mean... There's all kinds of kind of icky stuff out there. So what's changed? Some of that relates to mental health risk. Like why are there more mental health disorders now? One is more awareness. The other are environmental changes.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
um i find that oftentimes there's a little less engagement in that integration and and i get concerned you know that there's a big difference between psychonauts people who want to explore their consciousness and do a lot of different substances and mental health clinicians you know those of us who are in the space to help people heal And I think sometimes those two things get kind of confused.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And then I think the last probably critique is there isn't really much accountability. I have a lot of patients who engage in these things. And, you know, some of the guides are great. They'll check in. But because it's kind of so illegal and underground, a lot of people are hesitant to.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
So then you have folks who are combining a mix of psychotropic medications that I prescribe with a mix of psychedelic medications. And ideally, we have a system where there can be better coordination, that when there are protocols that are really effective, they can be cost effective too. That's not really what's happening right now. People are generally going abroad.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
There's kind of this, I don't want to say quick fix mentality, but there's a notion of like a transformational weekend. It's going to like shift things forever. And I think, you know, certainly that happens for some people. And then I think everyone's doing these things, Drew. So like, you know, everybody has a kind of experience and opinion.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I've certainly had experiences and informed some opinions. And so, I think we need a lot more research. I think there's a concerning downside people aren't talking about. And I don't mean to fearmonger. I'm not trying to say that these things should all be illegal. I mean, I like the idea of us exploring them more and having more tools. But they're very powerful compounds.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
The idea that you're going to disrupt your default mode network and like trash, you know, get rid of your ego. I don't know who decided that was a good idea, Drew. I like your default mode network. It's really interesting. You're Drew. I'm glad that there's consistency between us over the years.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I don't mind if you want to disrupt it for a little while to go experience something different, or if you're suffering in some way and you get away from that. Okay. But the idea that, you know, for two months, your default mode network is really going to be off. I'm not, you know, I don't know why we decided that's like, that's great. Or the ego death.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I don't know, in psychiatry, we did a lot of training around what's called ego-supportive psychotherapy, that your ego and the Freudian model, the part of your mind that's kind of negotiating between these primal drives and our kind of moral and cultural and societal values, that ego strength, right, was your ability to live according to a set of values, not just to give in to our impulses, you know, violent and sexual and aggressive and all that.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
You know, the modern brain never had to deal with doom scrolling before. It's just, it's a very compelling algorithm driven, visually stimulating, intellectually stimulating device that we have.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I always liked that model, you know, this idea that my ego, like what part of what I'm working on in mental fitness is a self-awareness of my sense, my defenses, my communication style. And so I'm all for people having access to medicines that work. And I think when we're going to include psychedelics into the space, we need to be more thoughtful than we've been.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And we need to keep paying attention to some of, I would say, the negative signals that we see in the space that, again, don't get talked about very much.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Rick Doblin.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I think microplastics are probably worse for the brain because doom scrolling, you can, over time, curate your feed. You can get rid of apps. The difference between doom scrolling through a curated feed of lots of mental health advice and good stuff that inspires you versus the stuff that you tend to get fed, I think both of them are concerning.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Yeah, I mean, I think there are a few folks in the space who do really deserve some accolades around the notion of. Being disruptors, right? When I think about Paul Stamets and his dedication to just mushrooms and mushroom cultivation and the celebration of that and just what a cool, nerdy, interesting guy he is around this.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Or Rick Doblin, who, you know, to my knowledge, isn't a mental health clinician in any way. And, you know, has been really toiling for decades, you know, again, trying to get more research, trying to get more access. And so, you know, I think certainly will go down in history as somebody who has helped shake the space up. There are hundreds of psychedelic compounds in development now.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I mean, every major medical center is thinking about this. I think Utah, oddly enough, but Utah has this wonderful mental health center, the Huntsman Mental Health Center. And Utah, the governor has allowed them to research MDMA and psilocybin, I think about a year and a half ago.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And so, you know, I think also part of what you're speaking about is how those of us who've been in the field in a certain way get a little bit defensive, right? And I think that's in part because we've been through many different iterations of this. There's a new medicine. There's a new therapy. There's something new for our patients. And sometimes that's great. That works. I saw that happen.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
There was a whole new medication class for the psychotic disorders that came out when I was in residency. And, you know, you get very hopeful and then you see the reality. Maybe help some people as a promise, maybe not so much others. And so I think that where I sound a little contrarian with the psychedelics is where they get treated in an anti-psychiatry way.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
You know, that like, duh, you just need some MDMA. And I just find that to be a little offensive in the face of the complexity of that. how mental health problems get handled. And then I also think sometimes disrupting people's minds in the way that these compounds tend to do might not help with some types of healing as much as we think.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And the idea right now is, hey, everybody, amidst all of that feeling, like, oh, no. It's overwhelming. Like, what do we do about our mental health? I think let's be realistic. Mental health rates are going up, right? When I finished training in 2004, 8% of teens had clinical depression. Today, 20% of teens have clinical depression. So something is radically shifted.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I wouldn't say seem to. I mean, that's the major risk with cannabis, especially in adolescents and late adolescents. So let's say 16 to 25 is psychosis. I mean, the risk for psychosis and psychotic disorders just skyrockets if you're using cannabis and generally thought to be like, you know, very safe. And if you look at the long term data besides psychosis.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
you know reasonably uh although there's just a big signal for increased risk of heart disease for cannabis users but yeah this yeah heavy cannabis users yeah the right the and and i think you know you're here in california where there's just been um there's a proliferation of you know uh both access but then concentrations and so anyway
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Right, Roland Griffiths, I think.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
There are some really clear suspects in this. In some ways, the nine tenets come from that. I go over these factors that have changed. Look at the sleep of a teenager today versus 20 years ago. Look at the dietary and nutritional quality of food for a teen today compared to 20, 25 years ago. It's just radically shifted.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I think that's why I sound like such a jerk about psychedelics is because I think there's, I wouldn't call it jealousy, but there's a way that like, it's just more fun. The idea that you and your parents would come to maybe an intensive to connect or talk about mysticism or something that's more traditional mental health, it doesn't have this grin or excitement.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
There's something about the psychedelics that gets people jazzed up about engaging with their mental health in a way. I think it's because it's an active experience. I felt this as a clinician where... I'm used to an experience. You come and you sit down and, you know, you're running the ship.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Like you want to talk about, you know, your background, your development, what happened yesterday, your dream. I mean, you know, it's like I want to hear what's on your mind. With psychedelics, it's different because you're inducing something and you don't know if it's going to be good or bad.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
You don't know in an hour if the patient's going to be throwing up or whether they're going to be having a deep mystical experience.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And there's something about that I think as a clinician going from this kind of maybe more passive receptive stance, right, where the only thing I'm really giving are interpretations, maybe some food prescription, a little mental fitness prescription, maybe some meds, to you're gonna have this experience
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And it could be a profound experience that is with you for the rest of your life, a transcendent, or it might be kind of a bad, dark experience ranging from like, I don't quite get the dosing right to just, this isn't a good medicine for you. And it was just, it's a very different stance as a clinician. But I think what you're demonstrating is boy, it's just, you know,
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
it's more, it's more fun and it's a more active way of engaging with our mental health.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And so has some of these foundational parts of our self-esteem, like how we relate to people, how we connect with people. I'm not trying to say everything in the modern world is bad. I just think with a modern brain in the modern world, there's a new set of rules. There's a new set of science. And we've got to employ that if we're going to optimize our mental health.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
It's a great, it's a great point also about some
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
You know, how we figure out the right research to really understand how these compounds work and do they work better? I think that's the other part that, you know, right now I think the efficacy looks about equal.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
MDMA...
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
The PTSD is a data that I think is a space where the data stands out, that MDMA is showing some more robust results than anything else has. I think psilocybin for alcohol use disorder was very exciting. I think part of what you're talking about is how do we kind of keep this cutting edge moving forward with research, but also give people access.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
It's very frustrating to be a veteran right now with severe PTSD who's done a great job. So many of my patients do such a great job. They try so many things. They're really like working hard to get their mental health better and we are letting them down.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
So the idea that someone in this situation, one of our veterans who's struggling with PTSD, maybe suicidal, has to then fly to Jamaica and go to some retreat, spending thousands of dollars, as opposed to being able to access something that... The thing about psychedelics, they work quickly. I remember I had a patient in Wyoming that was just really, really...
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
you know struggling down and and i'm sitting there with her and i was like you should come back tomorrow and let's give you a ketamine journey because you know the next day she was feeling better like when it works it works quickly and there's a lot of tolerance of suffering that we have there's a lot of people not getting all the way better And so I like the idea that we have better access.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I like the idea of it coming above ground. You know, what's horrible right now is all of the underground guides are terrified because they're breaking the law. Because of that, you also then have real questions about supply and supply safety and quality, right? What are people actually taking?
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And then on top of all that, you kind of have the question of like, who's the right person to give these compounds? Like I said, I think I sound a little bit like a jerk about this, so I'm not sure it's me. Although I certainly want, if they work, for my patients to be involved with their care in that way. And we'll see. In terms of the new administration, we'll see. I hold our...
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I hold those in charge to a very high standard when it comes to our health. And I've always been concerned whenever our health care is directed by anyone who's not a physician, because I think physicians think differently. We just think differently about health and have been in it in a way that it just shifts how you think about these things.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I always think it's a bad idea. I think anybody who's running health care in America, NIMH, HHS, I just think we want a physician in charge. And I know there's a long history of other. I just think that, again, it's... It's a perspective that's different because all other fields think about health, think about the kind of humanity and ethics of healthcare just differently than physicians.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I want all the perspectives. Let's do it. Let's do it.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
It's not that physicians are less prone to bias. I think it's that physicians in general tend to be a little bit more tuned into it. And the revolving door thing I don't think is exclusive to physicians. I think it's where you're speaking about a system we have where there's an interplay between regulation and commercial industry.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And that's true in all aspects of the government, whether it's the Pentagon or whether it's the FDA. I, you know, I'm a simple clinician, Drew. I take care of patients on all sides of the political spectrum. It's really been important to me throughout my career that no matter where you are in your political beliefs, that I can care for you.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
That my job is that if you have depression, anxiety, a substance use concern, that you can come to me and you will feel you're taking a step towards healing. So that's a... I think important part of, again, improving health care in our country, I think what probably everyone agrees with is that things have not been going well.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
We have a very expensive system that doesn't work very well for a lot of people. I don't know anyone who feels satisfied with the health care system or with the mental health care system. I know, like, you know, people from all types of echelons of power.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I appreciate you asking me about it, and I'm always working to... It's a lot. It's just a lot. Between the nutritional psychiatry data, the traditional psychiatry data, the psychedelic data... running a practice of just the reality of keeping up on all the meds that you prescribe and, you know, all the psychotherapy research.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
It just, you know, it ends up being a lot and it's a great challenge to keep up with it. But, you know, I hope what everybody listening hears is my encouragement to explore. And I think a little bit of my caution, I think there's hyperbole. You know, it's the same way that I just think having given a lot of psychotropic substances throughout my career,
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
It's like we need to approach all this with much more humility.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
This book is for anyone who feels they need to do more for their mental health. If you have concerns, this isn't a book really for necessarily for anyone who is currently struggling. I think it is helpful.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Certainly these tenants are supportive of any type of mental health treatment because they're the foundations of kind of the self-care that we need to do to engage with our mental health and improve our mental fitness. I think who I hope is for, and ideally people who will find it, again, are people who want to engage with the self to improve it.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And maybe that's too general and not focused enough. This book is for women between 35 and 65, but it's the truth. And I think we're also in an era where, you know, more than ever, men are engaging with their mental health. You've mentioned your men's group a couple of times, which is just awesome. I'm super jealous of that.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Oh my gosh, I want to hide in your trunk and come along. It sounds incredible. But the kind of thing that people didn't really do in the past that much. Occasionally, you'd see maybe a men's group at a church function or as part of work. But we're seeing more and more people get engaged with their mental health, think about their mental fitness.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And so this book is really for men and women who are thinking about needing to make some changes and I guess wanting some framework. You know, it's easy to say, like, I'm going to work on my mental health or every May we have Mental Health Awareness Month, which I love. It was one of my patients said to me years ago, you know, awareness without action doesn't do much for us. It really struck me.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I was like, you know, it's easy for us to feel we're fighting stigma. But like with the example you gave around food, you know, you buy lentils or you don't. You cook lentils at home or you don't. And I don't mean that in like a judgmental or accusatory way. It's just like, yeah, we can complain about the food system and how horrible it is, but there are lentils in your grocery store.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
There's kale in your grocery store. There are a bevy of the foods that you need that are good for your health in your grocery store. And so I kind of get to this question is like, what's getting in your way? Like, what are the barriers that you're facing to incorporating these foods into your life? Because that's where the change happens.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Yeah, we got the Dr. Drew Ramsey podcast. I just wanted a space to talk about all things mental health and mental fitness, whether it are episodes on the gut microbiome or whether thinking about inflammation or the talking to inspirational figures. I wanted a space to ask people what they're doing for their mental health and to have some inspiring examples.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
You know, Drew, my world is really like involved in clinical care. I spend maybe like 30 to 40 hours a week taking care of patients. And I just, I don't know, I just really love that work. I'm very happy in a psychotherapy session with all of the associations flowing around trying to
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
understand what's going on understand how it can be helpful um we've got an e-course that goes with the book healing the modern brain uh it's up on my website and so really just try to give people a lot of tools whether it's some downloads on some of my favorite antidepressant foods that are surprising or the ultimate mental fitness morning of kind of how to get your day started to really live by the tenets of mental fitness um but yeah i think you know that and then uh
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I'm adapting to living a mile up. We're at 6,250 feet in Jackson and living in a place where it snows like pretty much every month. Maybe not July or August, but... and also being in just a wonderful new community. A lot of these mountain towns like Jackson and Vail and Aspen have massive mental health crises.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Part of what actually drew me to the place as we were looking for kind of the next spot for our family was thinking about a place that really valued mental health. And Jackson was fascinated.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
They'd already done a community survey of thousands of people in the community, kind of better defining the mental health problem there, significant problem with alcohol use, significant problem with social isolation. But it was just very, you know, my world in some ways is trying to understand more about being in a community, being of service to that community as a psychiatrist.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
trying to continue to settle in and build connections. And then a lot of my life is about being a dad and a husband, just the day in day out of that and trying to, with all these other things we've mentioned, I find that's in some ways the most important and at times I wouldn't say elusive, but it's just, it's really easy for the rest of the stuff to eat your day.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And, uh, well, you know, and it's easy for all of us to get too busy and say that, but boy, when I get focused and get to spend some time with my wife and kids, that's, that's when I asked what my kind of, what else is going on? That's certainly a big part of it for me.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Okay. I hope you'll do both.
Dhru Purohit Show
How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Drew, it's awesome to see. I was a little nervous for it. I haven't done an in-person podcast in a while, but it's a treat to be with you, man. I really appreciate all of your support. People don't know this, but years and years ago, years ago, I was at this conference called Wanderlust, and I think Palm Desert, Palm Springs, and I sat down with Drew.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And I was, didn't really, I'd just done maybe my second book, And Drew sat down with me. It's this like beautiful leafy outdoor patio. My wife actually still remembers it. And we sat down there for about an hour and you were so kind and so generous and so encouraging. And it really, it sticks with me, man.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
It's, I don't think this book would be here without folks like yourself encouraging me and giving me a platform to come and speak and value my opinion. So it's just, it's a real treat to come back and a real touchstone for me. So thank you, my friend.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
For sure. I got rid of all my fancy teas and tea bags. I was really disappointed and upset. And I think, again, it's one of those things nobody meant to do this. But when you get those fancy nylon tea bags, they're coated in microplastics. I saw an estimate. It was two billion particles of microplastics.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Compare that to a paper tea bag or compare that to loose leaf tea where you're not getting any microplastics. So again, same great idea. Have a cup of tea in the afternoon, you know, mellow out, have some chamomile, have some mint. Just wonderful kind of wellness tip, I think, for all of us. Take a breath. And the idea that in doing that simple act, you were...
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
poisoning yourself with microplastics. It's just, again, one of those lessons from the modern world that we don't want to fear monger, but it's like, Hey, you got to shift your teabags, everybody listening, go, go, go see what you have. So I think that's one of, um, certainly the, the, um, lessons.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I think the one that sticks out for me is differentiating between treatment and that we have a lot of treatments that work. I think people are really misinformed. I think the idea that when you have depression or anxiety, you come to see someone like me, an expert in treating those that, you know, it's going to be an arduous or difficult or complicated thing, you know, sometimes for sure.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
There was a great article by my favorite psychiatrist, uh, David Puder, who's the psychiatry and psychotherapy podcast host. They just published it in genomics. Um, looking at how do you get rid of microplastics. And there's not a lot of data, but there was one study where more of this plasticizer BPA would come out in the sweat.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And so some question of maybe more saunas is, again, a way to kind of get it out. Because the idea of, okay, we want to limit exposure, right? So you're not getting as much. Then over time, your body naturally clears everything bad. And that's kind of generally true. But are there things we can do to promote it? And so maybe sauna is a way to do that.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
yeah i love that i know uh dr ronald patrick has also talked about uh broccoli sprouts which have a high concentration of sulforaphane inside of them which helps sort of the natural detoxification process sulforaphane and all the sulfur containing um uh you know cruciferous vegetables you know people tend to feel that they uh you know can be very helpful they have a little data actually that uh
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Firafine, of course, kind of ramps up some liver detoxification enzymes. And so generally, your body is very good at detoxifying stuff. And I'm a big fan of getting ahead of things. Let's limit exposure. Other things, plastic cutting boards.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I think being really mindful of the types of meats, fats, and dairy that you're eating in the sense that these compounds tend to concentrate, at least in some of the studies, in things like seafood, which is, again, one of my top brain food recommendations. So what do we do about that? In some ways, the same advice we've had for a long time about seafood. We want to get younger, smaller fish.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
So more tinned fish like sardines, anchovies, smaller fish. Why? They have less environmental exposure. So they're accumulating less microplastic. You get less exposure.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Very helpful, really good point. All of my clinical rooms, because I spend a lot of time sitting in the same room, in my bedroom, they all have HEPA air filters in them. I mean, a couple hundred bucks and important to change the filter, also something I find that people don't do.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
But again, one of these recommendations that, again, as a psychiatrist, wasn't the kind of thing that we used to talk about. Hey, you should filter your air. Hey, let's talk about your food. Hey, let's think about microplastic exposure, not to overwhelm people,
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
But to make sure that as we are engaging in treatment, as we're taking steps forward, that we're not missing kind of some of this new obvious stuff that's in the science. This has taken a huge toll when you add it all up on our overall mental health. You want to know, like, why are the rates going up?
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
But I think a lot of people get better. I think another one of the pieces of misinformation that's out there and what's really changed, I think the motivation for this book is we've got to do a lot more, Drew.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
And so I think all of these things that I bring up in the book, all of these tenets, they seem to impact risk. You look at something like insomnia, not sleeping. So one of the tenets is good sleep, of course. You have a 10 to 17 times increased risk of having depression or another mental health disorder when you have insomnia.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
I mean, you can't ignore that data, especially, again, if, like a lot of us, you're feeling a little toll on your mental health. You're wanting to do more. With our physical fitness, we all have a lot to do, and I think we all have maybe some guilt. I was really proud I rode my bike to this recording session here. It's just a great way to start the day, but also just...
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
helping me achieve one of my goals, get some oxygen, extra blood flow to my brain. Those types of things, engaging in movement, engaging in good sleep, they really add up over time and I think make a big impact, as everyone knows, on our mental health.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Dr. Elroy Vajdani, welcome back to the podcast. You are here to put the spotlight on one of the most silent, deadly killers out there in the world. In fact, every year, it's estimated that 7 million people die prematurely from this major issue. Talk to us about how big of a problem air quality is and why our audience should care about it.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Like if you're moved into a new house, you're replacing furniture, carpets, tables, you're installing some new soundproofing in a podcast studio. All that stuff has these VOCs, volatile organic compounds. Right. And it's pretty hard to get around it unless if you use, if you get maybe vintage furniture sometimes is a little bit less. Sure.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
It won't maybe be as, as volatile as like new furniture, but still you might have some. Sure. That'd be coming there. New fabrics, new curtains, new paints, as you mentioned.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Yeah. Is this actually working? Yeah. Can I give you the best example of this? So I'm pretty hardcore about monitoring the air quality inside of my home. And then we had somebody that said, Hey, listen, I'd love to send you guys this air monitor. Yeah. And I know you've mentioned a few. We'll put some of these in the show notes.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
It's estimated that in India alone, people die on average 10 years earlier from air quality. And then on top of that, more people are dying early deaths from air quality than even cancer. That's how bad the problem is. But why aren't people really having this conversation outside of a major incident of a situation like we're in, which was the devastating LA wildfires?
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
I have no relationship with any of these companies, just different ones that I've used at some point in time. But I think this one was called Atome, and it was a portable air quality monitor. And I would check it around my home, and I would also check it against the other ones that I had. I have a few in my home from a company called Aware. Mm-hmm. So I'd say, okay, what is one show?
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
What is another show? And they all were pretty good. So I was trying to see. And I would take my air quality meter from Atom and I would go like when you go on an airplane. Yeah. You know, sometimes the airplanes are starting. Yep. And there's this like back exhaust that comes in. Totally.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
There's actually an article that was written about this in like the New York Times that like the airlines know this is a big issue, but like there's no solution that they've kind of come up with about how to deal with this. You're sitting in the airplane and you're like, dude, it smells like intense. Like this cannot be good for you.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And I would measure it and the air quality dipped like super low. They have their own scale where they're measuring all these different things and they give you a number from zero to 100. Sure. And I was like, what else in my life besides my home is like this? And at the time, I had just got a car for my wife and we went to go pick it up after a trip.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And we were sitting in the car and I was measuring the air quality, the air quality inside from that quote unquote new car smell.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
That so many people... are addicted to, kind of like gasoline. They like that smell. It was terrible. It was terrible. And we had already paid for the car and everything like that. And everywhere we drove, we would drive with the windows cracked, which would make a significant difference. New air would be coming in from the outside.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And the air quality would be, on average, when we didn't have the windows open, it'd be around like 37%. 40 which is pretty bad yeah and it would get back into like the 80s 85 90s and then we realized that the car that we had this is this is uh a splurge and i'm not telling anybody to have this sort of situation but there's some cars now that have hapa filters yes they do
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And I turned it on and immediately the air quality went from when we had the window shut 37 to 99 after a few minutes of it running. And it just showed me like, wow, I would have, you know, my wife and I, we want to start a family. You know, we're in that phase of our life. We're both have trying to protect our health.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
You know, I'm trying to pay attention to my health, as you know, because I've been working through some stuff that's there. And I was like, I would have driven around for two, three years with this. air quality inside the car if I didn't have it measured and known that this was an issue.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
We did a few things that I can talk about to sort of accelerate some of the off-gassing that was there based on some tips. We would have it regularly sort of cleaned on the inside with clean things. But even then, it probably took a year before we could sit in the car and the VOC's PM 2.5, PM 10 was at a level where it would have been stable. But even still, we'll run the HEPA filter in the car.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And by the way, before you jump in.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
I was getting in there and I was having headaches when we first picked up the car.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
I would literally have headaches. And this is before I knew how bad the air conditioning was.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
You said in this podcast studio, no knock on our friend Chase, actually, they just put an air filter. And you immediately were like, I think I kind of feel the air a little stale in here. And we asked them and they were so kind. There's an air filter here. We turned it up. I mean, we have to because we're talking about that right now.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Well, he's also up and up on the latest research, right?
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
where you have all these thefts and other stuff. Hey, it's working.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
I don't know if you saw this viral video, but Brian Johnson, the longevity expert, was in India. And he was going on a little bit of like a business podcast tour, a little segment of it. But he was in the middle of an interview indoor in this town, I believe that was outside of New Delhi. So they were indoor.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And he knows in advance, the team that he was traveling with, that, hey, the air in India can get very dicey, especially around like the New Delhi area. So they bring their own air filters. They plug it in. So he's doing this interview and the team tells him, look, the air quality is still pretty bad. So let's turn the air filter on high and put on an N95 mask on top of that. Wow.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Even with all that, the air quality index from their own measurable meter was around 165. And this is indoor in a place. It got so bad. And he's like kind of cultish about his approach, right? His whole don't die philosophy. You know, I'm cool with that. You know, he can do that. May not be for everybody else. He stopped the interview and he said, listen, I'm so sorry.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
I cannot do the interview any further. Right. This goes against everything that's there. And he wrote this whole thing about how India would benefit, which I felt for such a long time. Anytime I would go to India, such a beautiful country. Right. Love all my family and friends and everybody that's there. I would get so sick coming in there. Yeah.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
and being around all this pollution in all the different cities.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And he wrote this post about how if India put its attention instead of to like, not instead, it doesn't have to be either or, but the amount of effort and energy that goes into cancer, if we put that into sort of air quality, you'd actually end up saving even more lives because more people die from poor air quality in India because it's so bad than even early deaths that happen from cancer.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Anecdotally, I've felt this with my own family members. I would have family that would go to India would get so sick. And maybe their metabolic health is not that great and there's already some blockage or they're at a high risk of a stroke.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
But it always coincided that you'd end up in India and that family member who was already sort of borderline would end up having a heart attack there, would have a stroke there. Now, it's a multifaceted thing. There's a lot of trans fats that are in the diet. There's – a lot of other things that might be going on that's there. But air quality is definitely one of those things that factors into it.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
It's not to throw India under the bus. It's just an extreme example of being around that poor air quality 24-7 and the damage that it can do to your body.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
You work with a lot of patients that are on the spectrum of autoimmune conditions. And then you deal with a lot of patients with chronic infections like Lyme and other things like that that are out there, amongst a lot of other stuff that you do at your incredible clinic. How do you see that poor air quality can make something like an autoimmune condition worse? What is it doing to the body?
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Like, how can it accelerate that?
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
You know, one of your tips was that if you care about this topic and you'd put it in the category as one of the top things for us to pay attention to, just like we filter our water. I think a lot of our listeners today, listening today are filtering their water. We want to have that same approach to our air.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And I do want to give props to a lot of cities in the U.S. Things have cleaned up a bunch, especially here in Los Angeles. Los Angeles did used to have really significantly bad air quality. And there were a lot of regulations that were passed and attention that was placed on it. Some manufacturing that was moved away from the city.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Sure, you can get an air filter, but because air is more dynamic than water, water is a single source, air is all around us. It's important to measure your air quality, both at home or you might go to your office or in the case of our situation, a new mattress, a new car. And these little meters, they're not expensive at all, right? I've seen some of them for like 50 bucks, 70 bucks, 100 bucks.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
It's a great investment that are out there.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
So the second thing that you said is that especially in a major urban city, you want to be adjusting your activities throughout the day, especially if you're going to be outside, based on sort of how the air quality looks. Mm-hmm. Talk to us about that. Like we're here in Los Angeles. At this point in time, a lot of people are very worried about the air quality. Today's a windy day.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
There was an area the size of two Manhattans that burned down in Los Angeles. One just a couple of miles from here in the Palisades. One the other direction in Altadena and a few other spot fires that were around. Tens of thousands of homes burned down. Homes burning down, cars burning down, electric batteries burning down, many homes that were built before 1950.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
So a lot of asbestos that was out there. And you kind of have a town that's freaking out and are saying like, is it safe to, to be outside. So whether we're talking about LA and there might be some specifics for LA or whether we're talking about people in other urban cities, New York, San Francisco, Philadelphia, whatever it might be, how would somebody approach their activities for the day?
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Like what do you want them measuring? What do you want them looking at?
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Improvements in car manufacturing, like better catalytic converters. Mm-hmm. And it made a significant difference. People don't realize, but Los Angeles in the area that I live on the West side, we're not too far away from there, Santa Monica, it has way better quality of air than a lot of major European cities. I was looking at like
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
When people are looking at air quality, if you have an iPhone or an Android, you go to the weather app, there'll often be a score that's there for today's weather. A lot of apps have added that in. And then there's, so if I look right now, it says our location in Santa Monica, it's actually saying today's 28th.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Yeah, we've had rain earlier today. We had rain last night. Yes. What I found is that how trustworthy is that? Because that's an amalgamation of an entire city. There's online maps that are out there like Purple Air is one that I know.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And then there's a few others that actually have like different outdoor meters from like citizen scientists or, you know, people that are like contributing to that research. Yeah. And then there's your own meter that you might have in your house that you might take outside. So it's a lot of data and it's a lot of information.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
But do you generally go off the weather app or are you using anything else more sophisticated?
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Yeah. And if you want to be more localized to your area, that's still where a meter can come in handy. For sure.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Yeah, I know PurpleLayer. I'm sure our community knows some others. They can drop it in the comments as well. Let's pivot to Los Angeles for a second.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
santa monica and other places in uh united states the air quality is way better than cities like paris and and other european countries that people typically think of as being like oh like clean and better quality air so i do want to give hats off to america for doing a lot of cleanup there still are some things to be paying attention to but the bigger issue for everybody listening today regardless of where they live
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
A lot of our audience is out here. I live out here. You live out here. And you've gotten it firsthand being a medical doctor, having a practice that's trying to look after people. When the fires were happening, things were crazy. People were losing their homes. The smoke was all over. I had a friend who's a medical doctor at UCLA in the transplant department.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And they were talking over there that people are literally coming into the a hospital, an emergency room for like asbestos exposure. All sorts of things were going on, right? It was a crazy, crazy time. It was. And the aftermath is still crazy. And I'm glad to see so much of the energy being focused on helping people recover and what that looks like.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
It's going to be a long way, but we're all going to get through it together. Since that time period, there's been all sorts of conversation on the topic of Los Angeles air quality. Some people are saying that It's so dangerous. You got to think of it as a war zone and you basically should be considering moving out of this area. And then other people are saying, Hey, look,
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
be smart, pay attention to the air index. And for the people that are more extreme, one of the things that I've heard is that they're saying, look, all these houses and Teslas and other things that burnt down, that stuff is in the air and it doesn't show up on your typical air meter or air quality index. So you're never going to know how much you're being exposed to.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
So the only smart solution, which is kind of a very privileged thing to say, is to like uproot your family and go move somewhere else.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Yeah. I feel like the rain's definitely kind of calmed everybody down. Not everybody.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
I'm sure you see it all. But I feel like a lot of people who are really, really worried about it feel like they can breathe a little bit easier. Yes. I have a sponsor, Air Doctor. People know it. They've been one of my earliest sponsors. There's a lot of great air filters on the market. Any ones that you want to give a plug to?
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
is that most people don't realize that the EPA alone estimated that indoor air can be up to 300 to 500 times worse than outdoor air. So no matter how bad your outdoor air is, and that is something that we should be paying attention to, I want to start the conversation first with indoor air. So why is our indoor air quality for so many people so bad?
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And I heard they give away like a thousand air filters.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
I have two friends personally that both their homes burned down and the company was so gracious and they helped them out and they gave them an air filter.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Yeah. Generally, you're looking for HEPA, ultra HEPA filter.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And carbon. So it can trap. And the carbon is the one that traps the VOCs. Correct. Yeah. And that's one of those where you really want to look around consumer reports, all this stuff. Just make sure you don't end up with a budget air filter that's not really doing much.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And then the secondary thing is bonus points for when it comes to water filters, when it comes to air filters, they're only as good as how long ago you changed the filter.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
So setting a reminder and bonus points if the machine can actually remind you to change it.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
That's a good reminder. I'm overdue for mine. I need to do that. And a lot of cars have filters now too. They do. And I have a Tesla and I just ordered new filters because we've had it for now two years and it's gone through all the fires and everything. Yeah. So it's now time to change that as well.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Wow.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Wow. I don't know of any models like that. Is that any particular models that you want to shout out?
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Yeah. So those are a few that are out there. Yeah. Take a look. Some of the meters, I know you wrote about one. We can look it up and put it inside of there. I have one that I've used in my studios for a long time called Aware.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And we can link to that. And, um, again, a lot of these are really cheap and they're getting cheaper and cheaper. I can't wait until they're built into like the Apple watch or something else. And, and then you will just know it's like that much of an issue that people should be aware of. No different than like on many people have an Apple watch.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
My mom and dad, I got them both one for like their step count. It'll alert my dad. which is very helpful because he got hearing aids a few years ago. It'll alert him when he's in an environment that's too loud, above 80 decibels. And we know that's degradating to the ear. And he has been exposed to a lot of loud noises over his lifetime, which is part of what has challenged his ear. He's okay.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
But it's not just a benign thing that like, oh, you're Your hearing is not as good. I don't know if you saw, but there were some studies that came out last year showing that if somebody's hearing quality is going down and they don't get a hearing aid, they're at a higher risk of Alzheimer's disease.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
We have a dear family friend, and she was exposed to a very loud noise many, many years ago. And she saw an immediate sort of loss of hearing that was there, but just thought it was temporary. And then like a lot of things, you just get used to it. I didn't know about this. And we were sitting down one day and we were chatting on a road trip and she was sharing.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And I said, listen, this is something to pay attention to. I know you think of yourself as very young. And the idea of getting hearing aids seems like, oh my gosh, like I'm not that old. I'm not a senior citizen yet, but let me show you the data. Like the Alzheimer's commission or whatever it's called,
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
100%.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And it's a good reminder. I got to follow up with her and say, did you get that?
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
How do you restore smell? I have no idea about that.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Yeah, but not perfumes.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Yeah, okay, go for it.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
That's an important point for everybody listening. Especially most of my listeners here, you're in the US, the air quality, generally speaking, in a lot of cities has improved dramatically. Some cities, not. And unfortunately, the poorest neighborhoods in the cities that are out there, even the ones with better air quality, often have the worst air quality, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Because they have highways and other stuff and 18 wheelers regularly passing and so many microplastics in the air because of tires and whatever it might be. So that's obviously a bigger issue that needs to be addressed here in America.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
But one reason that I do appreciate him leaving, and I'm not saying that this was his goal, it has caused, at least from what I can see, it's caused a major show, if I could say, in India. Indians do not like Americans coming in and telling them what to do. Sure. And one of the things that's there, I mean, nobody likes anybody coming in.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Just like I'm sure Americans don't like people coming in here, right? And in India, there's a little bit of a feeling of, oh, you guys are too fragile. We have this air quality. We're all fine. We're not sick. We're living our lives. We're doing stuff. But a lot of the young people are starting to pay attention because they're getting their information from different sources.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And they're like, I thought this was only an issue. When it was the worst air quality, which tends to be the winter because a lot of people – another reason that the air quality is bad is people burn a lot of stuff in India. They burn trash. But in the winter, they're burning fuel that are out there. And it's – unfortunately, that all goes into the air.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
But it's caused this divide amongst what I see to be sort of the older – Age range people, like don't come in here and tell us. And the younger people who are like, guys, listen, this is actually an issue and we as a country should be paying attention to it. So it's caused a little bit of a dialogue, which I appreciate that.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Because my family were there when I would come in and I would literally blow my nose sometimes and it would be like black. Oh, you sensitive American.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
It's called ABCD. I'm sure Persians have something similar. So it stands for American born, which I wasn't born in America. I was born in Kenya, but American born confused Desi. Desi means somebody from, you know, the Indian subcontinent. And so like, oh, you ABCD, you're so fragile, other stuff, we're fine.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Just because they can, they're like, we eat street food, we drink the water here, other stuff. And, you know, we're not as sensitive as you Americans. But it's good that people have been talking about it, because it is an issue. And I would love for people over there for their own health to pay attention to it.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Are there any evidence-based supplements that can support our body's natural detoxification for anybody that's feeling like, hey, I'm in an area where my air quality is not that great or post Los Angeles after us all sort of navigating and rebuilding from the fires?
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
I saw that. That was wild.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
We had the main researcher around the work around sulforaphane, Dr. Jed Fahey, I believe his name is. We had him on the podcast. And he's kind of the guy that was responsible for all this research around sulforaphane, which is a compound. It's found a lot in cruciferous vegetables, but it has super high concentrations in broccoli sprouts.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
So when you see a lot of the supplements that are out there by different companies that make it, you know, it's typically extracted from this broccoli sprout compound. And it's great for overall detoxification. It's very gentle in the system. Well tolerated. Well tolerated by a lot of people.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And so it's not just air quality, but even some people have that in their stack, like Dr. Rhonda Patrick for like your overall toxic exposure from like microplastics or this or that or whatever it is.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
So I want to take a step back. If you wouldn't mind, for those that haven't heard you on the podcast before, I believe this is your fourth visit. So it's an honor to have you back. Yeah. What type of doctor are you? And also, where does air quality sit within the things that you see the people that you work with in terms of making them better? sick. Like how do you think about air quality?
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
I take it every day.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
anything else that you put in tier two that would be more specific to somebody who had more i mean one unfortunate thing is you know over the last few years you've seen all up and down north america even in canada we're seeing an increase of wildfires some natural, some arson, right? That's a whole other issue that's there.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
So if somebody feels like they have exposure, or if somebody feels like, man, you know, I just moved into, you know, my, my employer just moved into a new office. And it's like, You know, crazy in here. There's new furniture. It's off-gassing. They can't maybe not be there. So anything else that somebody could do as an extra protection?
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Yeah. Don't forget about just the basics of sweating. Our body can handle a lot. If we do what it was meant to do and it was meant to sweat, it was meant to get our heart rate up every so often. And so that could be done again, like you mentioned through sauna or through working out, but a little bit of sweat goes a long way.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Anything else on the topic of air quality that you feel that it's important for people to understand or think through?
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Is it enough to make people sick? Is it taking things that they're already dealing with and making it worse when people are exposed to sort of poor air quality? Like help us contextualize a little bit. One of the number one complaints I hear from my community is that it's hard for them to shut their mind off at night when they're getting ready for bed.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
The other thing that I'd mentioned too, is that, you know, maybe somebody is listening today. There could be a lot of environments that you're around. For example, there's a lot of people listening that might be at an office or a gym.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And now that more and more people are getting aware, you can ask nicely and you can write into people because they may not be aware and say, hey, have you ever thought about getting an air filter at the gym? Have you ever thought about getting an air filter at the doctor's office? or your employer.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And I've generally found that when people get a little educated on it, they think, wow, that's a great thing. That's a great thing for us to do for our staff. We have a newsletter that we wrote about the global impact of air quality on
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
um production in like an economy sure and the cities that end up having uh a higher air burden lower air quality day and we found a lot of these studies covered in the podcast for economics did a whole series on this interesting When the air quality gets worse, people are less productive. When the air quality is worse, this is a crazy one that I learned from Freakonomics.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
We'll link to the episode. When the air quality gets really bad outside and let's say, not let's say, this was actually, they looked at Major League Baseball and they looked at umpires. They are more likely to call a ball incorrectly when the air quality is worse. Think about that. Think about that. They're more likely to call something a strike or a ball incorrectly when the air quality is worse.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
So that's the damage that it's having, the silent damage. And it's subtle.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
It's not like they're all of a sudden – you know, acting like a crazy person, it's a subtle thing. Your production, your focus, your ability goes down just a little bit.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Enough that when you tabulate that on a city level, a country level, you can start to quantify the impact that it happens. So if your boss is resistant, send him that article. We'll put it into the show notes and the podcast. You say, listen, we could have hit our Q2 goals if all we had was some air filters in the office.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
You know, you shared your takeaway that you wanted to share, which is that, look, we have to live our life. We can't live in anxiety. We wanna be empowered by this, but these are all things that we're just trying to reduce our entire burden. I think the other message that I wanna add in that I think you'd agree with as well We freak out so much about the outdoor air.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
In fact, they often feel like their brain is filled with a bunch of what if thoughts that get turned on right when they're trying to fall asleep. If this happens to you, let me let you in on a little secret on something that can help you deal with it. You may have heard of Magnesium Breakthrough by Bioptimizers and how it's fantastic for a great night's sleep by promoting calmness and relaxation.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
But when I go with my meter into friends' homes or other people's homes, and I never tell them unless the people like ask, and I'm not pulling it out in front of them, right? It might be a conversation that I bring up, you know, outside of that space, but people's indoor air is often so much worse than their outdoor air.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And, and again, if you have a meter, you can look and check, but many cities people live in where just even opening your windows, even if you don't have a filter, The outdoor air is cleaner than the indoor air. Yeah. So just ventilating a little bit by opening the air fresh, getting new fresh air in can make a huge difference and you feel it.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
That's why it's like so many times people feel like they go outside for a walk and they feel better. It's like, yeah, the sun is important. It's good to have it and it's good to move. But how much of that is just you getting fresh air?
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And feeling like you all of a sudden can focus. One of the meters that I use, AWARE, A-W-A-R-E, again, no affiliation with them. They have a mode that is a score that's designed for when you're working. So it'll tell you that, hey, listen, there's too much carbon dioxide in the room. Like there's not enough fresh air that's coming in.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
When the carbon dioxide gets above a certain level, it's harder for you to focus. Yep. Then it'll say things like the temperature might be at not the ideal level. Sure. So it's working that into it as well. Sure. And so, you know, sometimes you go into a room or a place and you're trying to get work done. You just feel like stale.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
It actually could be that the air is super stale and you need an air filter or you need to open up the windows and you feel a massive difference that's there. 100%. I'm particularly, I'm really trying to get my friends who have young kids to pay attention to this. Young people, young kids, their brains and bodies are not as resilient as people who are fully developed human beings.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And I think that a lot of the health issues that we're dealing with is an amalgamation of a lot of toxins that are there, but air quality is going to be one of those things that's going to make it more difficult.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Any advice for that? You have young kids. What have you done since the fires? What have your kids' schools done? Any advice to parents who want to engage their school in a way that they don't get written off as being the tinfoil hat parent, but that they're checking air quality? Let's start off with your kids. Are your kids in school right now?
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
What I found out is that the brains behind Magnesium Breakthrough have taken it to the next level with a product specifically designed to support sleep. It's called Sleep Breakthrough. I've been taking it. It's a game changer for me and many in my community.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Yeah, because a lot of schools also don't have the resources, don't have the manpower.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Yeah, that can make a huge difference. And a lot of times it's... Just schools, they're just dealing with so much. And like that request, they have 1,500 other requests that they're getting from parents about this thing or that thing or other stuff. So if you can just go in and just plug it in for them, nobody's going to pay attention.
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And then just set a reminder to change the filters every so often.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
You're like, oh, just checking on my kid. Elroy, Dr. Vajani, this has been great. I think that, you know, we're dealing with something very unique here in Los Angeles with the aftermath. And, you know, we've had so many friends, family members, so many of your own patients have been rocked and devastated by these fires that are there. It's horrific. It's heartbreaking.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And now even the whole rebuilding process is going to be a whole thing, you know, take many, many months to years to figure it out. The silver lining of it all is that the community has all showed up very strong in many areas and there continues to be support being poured in to the Palisades and Altadena and some other communities that were impacted.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
So that's the silver lining and the beautiful thing that's there. uh but this is even for people who are not in los angeles this is such an important topic that uh sometimes it takes some situations like what we dealt with that more people are aware that it's not just a wildfire thing this is a modern human thing our buildings are less breathable
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
They're more energy efficient, which actually makes them worse off for air quality. You can have a gold star, platinum star energy building. Like so many of my friends live in these new beautiful apartments and condos that are the highest energy grade. But I tell them that basically that means that you're Home is not good at leaking or letting in air from the outside.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
So you have to protect yourself from the air quality that's out there. And it's a topic that deserves attention. To go back to something that you said earlier, there's a lot of things that, yes, we are very
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
mindful of and people are paying attention to like the microplastics that are in all of our food and testicles and this and this and that but there's actually more evidence about the damage of pm 2.5 that's out there so that's a known issue and yet still so many people are not taking it seriously so i hope this podcast gives you the education and the support you need to pay attention to something that is a very serious issue
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
but with a few small changes doesn't have to overtake your life or take your health in the wrong direction. Any final words you want to add in?
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Yeah, well, I appreciate you. Do you want to mention how people can check out or find your clinic or your work? And you also have some books.
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You have an amazing team, by the way.
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You have an amazing team. Everybody's so awesome. It's really tough, even in a city like LA, to find fantastic practitioners. And you guys are one that I always recommend to people. That means the world to me.
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Nice.
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So if they want to follow anything that he's up to in the future, they should really just subscribe to your newsletter on your regenerative medical website.
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Yeah, he's awesome. And you're awesome too. So thank you for coming back on the podcast. Super appreciate you, brother.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
So we have the data. We know that air quality, toxic air, especially indoor and outdoor air, it's not just the outdoor air. We know that it's filled with these 2.5, PM 2.5, which I'll have you break down in a second. And there's tons of data of how that gets lodged in blood vessels. and plaque can develop around it. It can get lodged in the brain and plaque can get lodged around it.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
It can get absorbed into our tissue. And it's just this volatile compound that can wreak havoc on us. But what I'm hearing from you is that it's hard, even though we have all this data, it's hard for you as a medical doctor to look at an individual person and say, hey,
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
this toxic burden that you're dealing with, this much comes from air, this much comes from water, this much comes from your cosmetics that are not clean, this much comes from diet. It all just kind of gets enmeshed into the body as one homogenized thing.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Have a filter at home for your water, reverse osmosis if possible.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Why don't you think enough people, I mean, we live in Los Angeles and now everybody's talking about air quality right now in LA. But when you look around the US, still, it's not as of a focus of a conversation as other areas. And then you go globally, there's a major lack of awareness. I'm from the country of India. It has 13 to 11 of the most polluted air quality cities in the world.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Yeah. It's kind of like plastics. Plastics are everywhere. Yes. You cannot avoid them. They're in plant and agricultural manufacturing. They're in even like wild grazing meat. They're in all sorts of different things, but you can minimize your total exposure and do the best that you can.
Dhru Purohit Show
A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
And so you're saying that the same thing is true with air quality.
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A Silent But Deadly Killer: How Poor Air Quality is a Driver of Chronic Disease and What We Can Do to Protect Ourselves Now
Let's talk about that.
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
Dr. Bill Harris, welcome to the podcast. You know, we were chatting, I was sharing that a lot of my listeners are very interested and it's their goal to live to 100 and maybe beyond, but it's not just about lifespan, it's about healthspan. They wanna be healthy along the way.
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Well, that's how I looked at it with myself and seeing that my omega-3 index was so low, I thought, okay, let me start to include fish in my diet. Now, this is an N of one personal testimonial, but I try to be transparent with my audience about my own journey and also tell them that this is an anecdotal testimony, but I'm gonna share it anyway.
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Just so everybody's clear.
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
When I started eating fish and supplementing with fish oil, my brain, I felt finally turned on after almost a couple years of it feeling progressively like I wasn't exactly like my cheerful, upbeat self. That's my own testimony. I have a few other friends that have gone through that.
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And I look forward to one day, you know, more research that's available, whether it's through your group or you inspiring other people to work on this, where there might be more conclusive results that are there.
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Exactly, exactly.
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
What about Alzheimer's and dementia? Do we have any more data that shows a more protective impact on these two very scary diagnoses when it comes to omega-3s?
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It's the best brainer that you could do. It's the best brainer.
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
If you care about your brain health, there you go. Let's go to a few other areas inside of the body and things that people struggle with. High blood pressure is one of those things that so many people struggle with today. Yeah. And there's often...
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Advice that's given, okay, you care about your blood pressure, the primary one that's shared with individuals, drinking a lot of water and making sure you're hydrated and also not having too much salt in the diet and sodium in particular. The challenge that I have, the little beef that I have is that with sodium in particular,
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
Most of the sodium and salt that people are getting in their diet is coming from ultra processed food. It's not from the sea salt that we decide to add to a little, you know, great piece of salmon that we're cooking. It's hidden. It's bread rolls and these other things that are ultra processed in the diet. But nonetheless, to bring it back to it, lowering blood pressure and the impact of omega-3s.
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What can you tell us about that?
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
Any study that I didn't mention that strongly drives home the evidence around omega-3s and its association with positive outcomes in the body? I know there's so many to choose from, but if there was one or maybe two that I didn't highlight that really drove it home for the audience, anything that you want to mention?
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You know, that study is the tip of the iceberg, but there's so much more that's there. And in your 40 years of working on this, 40 years plus now, right? 40 years plus now of doing this research, 340 plus papers on omega-3s, today's interview is really designed to highlight and champion this research to help people understand what I feel I understand, but I want everybody to understand.
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Give us a sense of how And I know you don't like the word deficient because deficiency implies something incorrect, but give us a sense of how much this key nutrient is missing from our diets, especially here in North America. Let's talk about air quality because it's an important topic.
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And something mind-blowing that I've learned from following your work over the years is that getting enough omega-3s in our diet is a huge part of that. In fact, you've shared previously that people that have higher levels of omega-3s in their blood are less likely to die an earlier death. To me, that's mind-blowing. I'd love for you to expand on that.
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If you've been listening to the experts that have come on my podcast, you know that the quality of the air that we breathe is super important. New furniture, carpets, paints, and even pets can dramatically reduce indoor air quality, filling your home with toxins and particulates that contribute to cardiovascular disease and even neurodegeneration.
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You might think you're safe from air pollution at home, but think again. The EPA has shown that indoor air can be two to five times more polluted than outdoor air. even in a city like Los Angeles where I live in. Shocking, right? When I learned about the dangers of indoor air pollution, I turned to the Air Doctor Professional Air Purifier and noticed immediate improvements in how I felt.
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And you tell me if this is factually correct in the way that I understand it. that when it comes to the most studied nutrients that are out there and their connection with actually moving the needle in improving our health, omega-3 is in the top three or four of those nutrients. Is that correct?
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Are not optimal.
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
Was there ever a time here specifically in North America that you think we were in our more optimal range? If you look at dietary patterns, excluding out native populations, were we ever at a time where we would be at a much higher omega index? And part of that is asking, what have been the factors that have led to us having lower omega-3s on average in our diet?
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Is it just simply the absence of fish or have we prioritized other things like ultra-processed foods that have crowded out a lot of the good things?
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What's the relationship between omega-3s, triglycerides, and generally these markers like triglycerides, HDL, LDL, how do you think about omega-3 and their influence on those?
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if i know you said it was complicated and it is complicated and honest but on a cellular level if you were explaining this to let's say a sixth grader an eighth grader if we were able to see inside of the body and which we are obviously we have met you know we have different medical tools that enable that to happen yeah when
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
fish oil, omega-3s enters into the body on a regular basis, what's its impact on the cell? Like what is it actually doing on the cells in our body? If we would... Try to make it easy to understand, even though I know it's incredibly complicated.
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
Indeed, they definitely don't go well when we, especially so many Americans being in that bottom cohort of people that are incredibly insufficient and don't have enough omega-3s. Talk to our audience a little bit about EPA and DHA, and let's expand a little bit more from omega-3s top line to going into a little bit more about EPA and DHA and why it's important to understand these two uniquely.
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You touched on it a little bit, but I'd like to come back to it because when I was vegan, one of the things that I would talk about with people, because I was just repeating what I had heard, is that I would tell people, well, there's plenty of animals that don't eat fish and they're able to be successful.
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Talk to us about why human beings in particular are really bad at converting ALA into the necessary molecules to be able to turn into the same impact that you get from fish or fish oil supplementation.
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No, that's a great answer. And I mean, really, what I fundamentally hear you partially saying, and anybody that's read the work of Yuval Noah Harari in the book Sapiens understands that there was a concentrated period where the human brain exploded in size. And we were able to do things that our, you know... certain relatively close ancestors in DNA, other species, were not able to do.
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We were able to tell stories. We were able to make tools. We were able to create civilization. And a big part of that, at least the going theory is, it was our ability to concentrate calories and not spend so much time digesting raw food all day and leaves. and being able to get nutrients in concentrated forms.
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So therefore, would it be fair to say that if you care about your health, again, this is based on the literature, there's not the causality, there's the association that's there.
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So if we want to maintain this ability of our human brain, we have to make sure that we did the things that most likely we evolutionary had access to. And it seems that fish was a big part of our diet prehistoric. I agree.
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It's a huge deal. You know, if you go to Times Square today or any other public place, Hollywood Boulevard, I'm located here in Los Angeles, and you ask a random group of people, sort of man on the street interview style, and you say, Hey, you know, do you eat a healthy diet?
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You know, the average person comes back to you and say, yeah, yeah, I try to be healthy because everybody has a different definition of what healthy means to them. For one person, it might mean they only smoke one pack of cigarettes a month. For another person, it means instead of having three Coca-Cola's a day, they have one and one diet Coca-Cola a day.
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If you care to live to as long as your genetic potential is designed for, and not just live long, but live a healthy life, you want to seriously be paying attention to omega-3s in the form of getting it regularly in your diet through fish, and then also supplementation. Is that a fair statement?
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
Everybody has a different definition. And I've seen the same thing goes with fish. And you've talked about this in your work. You have instrumentally talked about how important it is to both consider fish intake, and especially from the right fish, as well as supplementation. But let's talk about the fish and the dietary side of it.
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
How much fish do we need to be eating if we want to be optimal, which is what my audience and I are looking for?
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Like they do in Japan, Korea, you were mentioning.
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
Now, before we get into supplementation do's and don'ts and all the things that you've learned around that, I want to just take a moment here to talk about testing. I shared that in my story, I was seeking out and I was open to testing because I didn't feel good. And I've found personally that most people in my life that are...
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
serious about getting their omega-3s in the optimal zone are often individuals that have at least gotten a baseline because we can all guess and think we know how much fish we're eating, but then when you get back blood work and a report and it shows you where you're at, It's a light bulb moment that goes off.
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
And another part of that there is that it's not just about, and you've highlighted this in your work so often. I've heard you say this on other people's podcasts multiple times. It's not about for one person.
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day one week one month getting our omega-3s in the optimal zone it's getting them in or as close as we can to the optimal zone and keeping them there ideally over the course of our lifetime that's where the most protective aspects come from having omega-3s in our diet so Talk to us about testing and some of the work that you guys have done to make this more accessible. How do you get a test?
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And when you get that report back, what shows up on that report?
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
Well, we're gonna get into all the details in this interview, but again, just to really drive the message home, I wanna bring up another study that you guys were a part of looking at some of this data. And this is something that I wrote about last week in my newsletter. And when I was telling friends about this, their minds literally were blown because they could not imagine how this was possible.
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Yeah, you know, there's this term or this phrase that people use, which is, you know, don't step over dollars to pick up pennies. And I often get asked as a podcast host, even though I tell everybody, look, I know I'm Indian and you think I'm an expert or a doctor. I'm not a doctor. I'm not an expert. I just get to talk to so many of them.
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But people will ask me, what is the next longevity supplement? What is the next thing that they should be doing? And especially in the last couple of years, as I've had a chance to talk to incredible people like yourself, I'm like, guys, it's not about something new. The basics, if we just did those, which again, I would say 99% of people aren't even doing the basics.
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that right there is an opportunity to maximize what we already know works in the literature and omega-3s is one of those so i have no formal affiliation with you your company i just want everybody to know i've written about omega quant in the past before i'm not an affiliate i'm not anything i'm just such a big fan because it made a difference in my journey and the more that i've learned
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It's about, as a friend of mine, Max Lugavere says, you want to major in the majors and you don't want to major in the minors. There's a thousand things that we could all be doing for our health, but why not double down on the ones that we know can significantly move the needle forward? So that's why I really wanted to get a chance for you to talk about the company and the testing.
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
And I appreciate you sharing that. We'll have the link in the show notes that's there. Now, continue-
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Yeah, I stole that from somebody.
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You're gonna explain to us what might be going on.
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Yes, definitely. And I want to say I have empathy for people who are focused on minor things. I was definitely one of those people. When you get into the world of health and you're not trained and you don't have a background in
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like you and your team do where you really know how to go through the nuances of the literature and speak with authority, it's easy to get excited about random things that you think will make a difference and that might help other people. Sure, they might have helped you, but that doesn't mean that it's going to be across the board the biggest thing that moves the needle forward for other people.
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I want to go on record that I've gotten things wrong in the past, that I've majored in minor things, and I'm working on re-correcting that and taking my audience along with me. One of those ones has been exercise.
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I feel like I'm the unofficial hype person for omega-3 and your research. So that's how excited I am.
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I've been on a strength training journey over the last two years since I turned 40 and realizing that I was under muscle and how muscle is so protective for all aspects of our health, including helping me to improve my metabolic health. So I got it wrong. I have empathy for other people who got it wrong in the past.
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I did the best that I knew how, and I'm working on correcting that by having people like you on my platform. So thank you.
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So I wanna continue down this story because we talked about the dietary side. We talked about testing. Let's talk about supplementation. But first, again, because I was an individual and I have no problem with people being vegetarian, vegan. I have many of my family members, many of my friends, but one of the comments that I often hear from my vegan friends around fish oil is, oh, it's all good.
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I don't need to get an omega-3 test done or I don't need to be taking fish oil. I'm taking an algae-based oil. Do these algae-based fish products move the needle forward? I actually don't know the answer to that. So I'd love for you to chime in.
Dhru Purohit Show
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So omega-3 is so powerful that even smokers who had the highest level of omega-3 index were actually more protected than non-smokers who had the lowest level of omega-3s in their blood work. Is that accurate? And can you explain what the heck is going on?
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
Great explanation. Thank you for that. Let's talk about standard fish oil that's there. What are some of the do's and don'ts when it comes to choosing the right fish oil? And then if you could remind us again about dosage that generally is regarded as safe for people.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
I mean, the whole thing is safe, but generally is some dosage that's going to help most listeners of this podcast start moving in the right direction, even if they didn't test necessarily.
Dhru Purohit Show
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And it's also exciting to cut you off. It's exciting to see, wow, I started here. And then in a period of time, which is gonna be my question after you answer this, I got to here. That's empowering. It's empowering to know that you have agency on your health and that with focus, you can make a huge difference in something that's so key for our health. So let's start with first is 50 bucks, right?
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Everybody can scrounge up $50 for the most part. We can deprioritize things. We can not eat out one night. And why not dedicate this to your health? So 50 bucks. The test that I think I did was 100 bucks. We included a little bit more information or $99 right around there. Either one is a great option to get started on. So testing and you'll get the recommendations that are there.
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And now let's get into the do's and don'ts around fish oil supplementation.
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Let me ask you a question. A few follow-up questions on this. Number one is, in a global supply chain, in major categories of food, I've written about this. Olive oil is a prime example. This has happened in honey. Naturally, as many different countries and different manufacturers get into the production of something, especially something that would be considered a premium product,
Dhru Purohit Show
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There can be a degradation in sourcing and even sometimes fraud that might be coming into play. We know this is pretty well documented with olive oil. A huge percentage of the world's olive oil is cut with vegetable oil or mislabeled or deodorize agents or other things in low quality oil, and it's not necessarily extra virgin.
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And there's a bunch of guidelines that are out there on how to find high quality olive oil to maximize the benefits. Is any of that at all, the themes of that, is that at all an issue in the world of fish oil that you've seen in your experience?
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And it sounds like as an extrapolation of that, and correct me if I'm wrong, I have some resources. A lot of my podcast gets to podcast listeners. Typically, if you're listening to this podcast, there's some resources. You're not fighting for basic aspects of food on the table. You care about longevity. You're willing to reprioritize your budget.
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Even if you're not wealthy, you're willing to take the things where you previously might be spending money on.
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alcohol or clothes or other things that may not be there and people are shifting you see this across the board they're shifting these resources to health experiences the basics of life that actually make us feel good and live live longer so i opt for personally just like i would choose wild caught salmon i opt for fish oil that comes from what is being labeled, whether or not it's the case.
Dhru Purohit Show
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I mean, these are companies that I trust, wild caught. And my thinking is that if we're supposed to be eating fish, because that's what we're designed to do, and that's one of the things that helps us with our omega-3 and the optimal levels, I would err with caution
Dhru Purohit Show
The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
Even if I know that the omega-3 and the EPA and DHA ratio is equivalent in both, I'd rather be eating fish that are eating what they're meant to be eating in a wild-caught source versus eating farm-fed fish that are eating a combination of wheat, feed, corn, ground up fish, and maybe other processed foods that are part of feed. That's just what's required that's there.
Dhru Purohit Show
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But I feel like you would say, look, you can do that if you have the ability, but a few caveats, and tell me if this is correct. The caveats is the harder we make it for people, the less likely they're going to do it. And they're going to not end up getting all this omega-3 in the first place. Right. Right. So if it's so hard, if it's expensive, fine by you, Drew, you can eat wild caught.
Dhru Purohit Show
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But what about the person who's just trying to even get the basics? Is that your argument?
Dhru Purohit Show
The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
No, no, no. That was perfect because this is why the audience is here. They're trying to, on their road to 100 and maybe even beyond, we don't know. But more important than that, a true healthy health span along the way. They're trying to separate what matters and what doesn't. They're trying to separate signal from noise. And sure, we can get...
Dhru Purohit Show
The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
so deep in the weeds on any particular subject and there's a lot of people that are out there that want us to get really deep in the weeds but for most people they're putting attention into their health and wellness journey and hitting the basics like getting enough omega-3s so that they have enough energy to give love and attention to everything else in their life that matters including
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their spouse, their kids, their grandkids, their community, their local church group, whatever you care about, starting a business, writing a novel, being there for people, community service, we don't want our health to get in the way of those things. And how we do that is we have to put as much of it on autopilot and ease as possible when it comes to these healthy habits.
Dhru Purohit Show
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So your soapbox is allowing people to make that decision and say, you know what? I was really worried about this thing, but the truth is how many times did I really actually have fish in the last month? How many times did I really actually consistently take my fish oil supplement? And if I wasn't even hitting those basics, maybe it's time to just double down and focus on the basics.
Dhru Purohit Show
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So thank you for your soapbox moment. You're welcome. You know, one of the things that you've highlighted, in addition to certain at-risk communities, you mentioned women who are pregnant, avoiding fish because concerns around mercury, etc.
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Vegans who, again, if they're not intentional about supplementation and you cleared up that there are vegan supplements people can take to move the needle forward. You've also mentioned another group that's out there in your work in the past, and that's military groups that are there. Talk to us about that community, which is often an underserved community when we talk about health conversations.
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What do those communities have to be thinking about? You know, because they're not vegan, at least the vast majority of them are not vegan. But why are they at risk for low levels of omega-3s inside of the diet?
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I feel like there should be a whole campaign. I know I would want to donate to it and my audience as well. Let's get good quality fish oil in the hands of, you know, military and also probably, you know, some veterans as well, too, who have been deficient for extremely long time.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Well, thank you for highlighting that. It's important. Those communities are often overlooked and everybody deserves health. And so hopefully people are listening that can make an impact in those respective communities. And if you do or you know of initiative, reach out to me. We'll feature it on the podcast.
Dhru Purohit Show
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cool one thing about fish oil that i wanted to come back to let's say you know you have a 40 year old male um who is or female right and and you're around that age and you've not been intentional about your fish oil you've not been intentional about getting fish in the diet you're not vegan but you're on the lower end of the omega index that's there once you test
Dhru Purohit Show
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Can you give us some version of a range that if people were being reliant on fish oil primarily, you know, they're still eating the same amount of fish, but maybe they're not going crazy on eating a lot more fish. How long could it typically take knowing that every person's different, their chronic stressors, their inflammatory load, these all could play a part in it.
Dhru Purohit Show
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But how long have you typically seen it take somebody to now start to work their way towards, you know, at least the direction of optimal and then optimal?
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So 1,000 milligrams a day from... fish oil, right, that has an equal balance around 50-50 or 40-60, EPA, DHA, 1,000 milligrams a day, and then retest after a four-month period to see how you're doing now.
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Once somebody has moved into the optimal category of their omega-3 index, and again, you can test for that, link in the show notes, what are the recommendations there to stay there, knowing that we're all dealing with all sorts of different stressors, especially as we age, our sleep patterns change, our body composition changes,
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changes you know uh women who are going through perimenopause menopause there's all sorts of different stressors that are there now is the recommendation to stay at a thousand or for those high achievers or those teachers pets that are out there that want to really double and triple insure on something like omega-3 is there any benefit or recommendation to bumping that up over the years any thoughts on that
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That's fair enough. And, you know, I mean, you're a researcher. You work with the team that's there, but you're also a human being. When you came across these findings, was there a part of you that was like, no freaking way? Is this the actual truth? Was there some part of you that literally like, I keep on using the word mind blown, but this is actually where I feel it's supposed to be used.
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This might be an annoying question to you and you could say skip and I'll cut it out of the podcast. Do you share it all where you stand on the index? And do you share it all? Because I'm sure people ask you, how much fish oil do you take on a daily basis in addition to the fish you eat?
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Are... is can you be too young for a parent to inquire about your omega index? When you're thinking about how important it is for women and pregnancy and the IQ of a baby's brain, do you recommend that parents or grandparents who are listening that want to have the healthiest child possible, do you recommend that they look at the child's omega-3 index?
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Was your mind blown in these findings?
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Bill, I mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, as we're winding down here, 40 plus years of research in this area, an entire company that you've built that has really highlighted and put the importance of Omega-3s on the map, 340 plus papers on Omega-3s. I've heard you say in a previous interview that you're really doing something
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your best to try to get the medical community to wake up to this. People who are listening to this podcast are like, okay, so this individual who seems extremely smart and obviously knows what he's talking about, why isn't every doctor asking me or testing my omega-3 levels if we have so much information about how important omega-3s are?
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Why is it not part of the standard practice of care for regular doctors to go and order this on a normal blood panel and talk to their patients about the importance of fish in their diet and as well as fish oil supplementation if they need it?
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It's pretty cool finding, and we're just beginning to peel back the layers of the onion of how powerful omega-3s are. Let's keep the train going a little bit. You sent me some fantastic studies, and I feel like a big part of my job as a
Dhru Purohit Show
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Well, it's through the work and effort. Anybody who studies even a little bit of history, especially the history of medicine and the major advancements, they know that so much of what has kept us healthy today that is now taken for granted came from years, decades, sometimes centuries of experience researchers continuing to do the work and sounding the alarm. You mentioned trans fats earlier.
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We wrote a whole profile on Fred Kummerow and his work that took decades, for decades. Trans fats are now, for the audience that's following along that didn't see this newsletter, trans fats are known to be the most damaging fat that's out there. Their toxicity level, their association and connection to cardiovascular disease, it's so clear
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And we had the literature, we, the larger collective, we, the researchers that were doing it. And it took years for the FDA, for people to pay attention and finally outlawed. And even now, still, there's workarounds and ways to kind of get hidden trans fats that are there. And I see you, Bill, as somebody, you and your team, as being those individuals that are fighting for
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to make sure that this is no longer something that people have to hear about on some random podcast that's out there, but it's something that's baked into their medical care. And to that, our entire country and the world really owes you. And me, on a personal level, owe you a huge debt of service. So thank you for your work.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Bill, where can people go to continue to follow you and your work and also your daughter's work too, right? It's a family business as well. Is that understood?
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podcast host who's not an expert in health, but is trying to highlight the people who are like yourself and your team is that half of my job is just helping people understand the problem and the potential in the first place. Then we can talk about what to do about it, right? But if you don't get how bad the problem is, or if you don't understand the true potential,
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Well, Dr. Bill Harris, thank you again. Thank you for your work. Thank you for making a difference in my life. We'll have a link to all those items you mentioned in the show notes. Please, audience, go get tested. If you care about longevity, this is one of the things that's going to help you move the needle forward. It did for me. And thank you again, Dr. Bill Harris, for being on the podcast.
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Hi everyone, Drew here. Two quick things. Number one, thank you so much for listening to this podcast. If you haven't already, subscribe. Just hit the subscribe button on your favorite podcast app. And by the way, if you love this episode, it would mean the world to me. And it's the number one thing that you can do to support this podcast is share with a friend.
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Share with a friend who would benefit from listening. Number two, before I go, I just had to tell you about something that I've been working on that I'm super excited about. It's my weekly newsletter and it's called Try This. Every Friday, yes, every Friday, 52 weeks a year, I send out an easy to digest protocol of simple
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If I tell you or you tell the audience rather what to do, how much supplements to take, how much fish they should be eating, which we're gonna be covering that, it comes in this year, you're excited about it for a day, excited about it for a month, you forget about it and then people move on with their lives. That's why we're taking our time to really tease this out so that people understand.
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I want to talk about mental health and brain health for a second. I had mentioned to you that I owe so much to your work because Growing up being vegetarian and then being vegan for a while and not realizing that I was significantly low in omega-3s, the light bulb moment that I had was doing an omega quant. There was a practitioner and a friend who said, hey, you've been vegan for a little while.
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Why don't we test you and see, or you could even order this test yourself, which I have the link below. People can go to omega quant website. And I did this and it came back and there's this whole phrase that says, test, don't guess. And I was guessing that everything was good, but mentally I wasn't feeling as sharp.
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I was feeling a little bit of what I would call depressive episodes, even though I wasn't diagnosed. and my omega-3 levels came back significantly low. What do we know about omega-3s and depression or mood? The holidays are officially upon us, and you know what that means. It can get a little bit crazy, a little bit stressful this time of year.
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And I've been using levels for years to track my daily health metrics and habits and ultimately to optimize my blood sugar and optimize my metabolic health. Levels helps me fundamentally understand how my food and my lifestyle decisions are impacting my health for the better or for the worse.
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Levels is not just something that helps me optimize my energy levels during the day, but it also helps me make an investment in my long-term health because so many of of our modern chronic diseases you've heard on this podcast so many times are directly linked to metabolic health, including diabetes, prediabetes, heart disease, Alzheimer's disease, and so many more.
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
I use Levels with a continuous glucose monitor to get my own personalized data, which I've found to be really powerful to understand my unique physiology. But you can also now use Levels without a continuous glucose monitor. That's right. Levels has recently launched some exciting new features to help you track your own macros, protein, fiber, and fat, carbohydrates, and sugar,
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The Mind-Blowing Science of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Heart Health, Brain Health and Longevity (Rebroadcast)
Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much for having me. Metabolic health is about glucose, but it's about so much more. And now Levels helps you keep track of it all. This is a great time to get started. If you've been waiting for the right time or a sign to remind you to join the Levels app, this is that sign. It's time to improve your metabolic health today.
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Right now, Levels is offering my listeners an additional free two months. That's two months free of the Levels annual membership. When you use my link, levels.link slash dhru. That's levels.link slash drew to get two free months of the Levels annual membership for free. I don't know how long this offer will last.
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So if you've been interested in learning more about your metabolic health and getting your blood sugar in check, now is the time to get started.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Dr. Adi Jaffe, welcome to the podcast. Addiction in all its forms can quietly or sometimes loudly ruin our lives. And today you're here to talk about this conversation, but most importantly, help people break free. Whether somebody listening today is struggling with sugar addiction or
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Yeah, and the sublayer underneath that is that because I was very ambitious and I wanted to help people, I would overcommit to things. And I would create a little bit of a small trail of devastation of saying yes to something. Yes to a nonprofit that I'd help out with a project. Yes to a teacher who needed help with an additional thing. Yes to a friend who needed help building a website.
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And because I was completely overwhelmed and no one person could do all these things, I would crash and burn every few months. And I would ghost people and I would end up in a situation where it's like, why do I keep on running this pattern and not having an insight? And so as much as somebody from the outside would say, okay, what's the problem with a little bit of people policing?
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Well, the problem can manifest in many different ways. And we'll talk about your own journey and how this showed up for you.
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But the problem for me in that situation is that I was more committed to being liked out of the fear of being alone than I was out of having integrity to give somebody the truth, which would have saved everybody a lot of pain and heartache, myself first and foremost, later on.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
So many people have that belief that your life has to hit rock bottom for things to change. Just expand on that a little bit further, right? You talked about it a little bit, but just continue that conversation.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Let's talk about that C. For example, what are the common things that you see for somebody in that situation who might be hooked on sugar? What are the underlining behaviors that could be potentially present?
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
You talked about Sparrow. So walk us through that process, right? You talk about it in the book, but walk us through that process and how people can think about it in their own lives. All right, I got a question for you. What if you could track your food, sleep, exercise, blood sugar, and key biomarkers all in one place? Well, I have good news for you.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
With the Levels app, this is not only possible, it's actually needed if we're gonna fix our broken healthcare system. You wanna hear something pretty shocking that I learned from the Levels founder, Josh Clemente, recently on this podcast, is that there are so many people who are unhealthy and they don't even know that they're unhealthy. This is where the Levels app comes in.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
We have over half of U.S. adults that have prediabetes or diabetes, and just these two conditions alone set the stage for things like Alzheimer's, heart disease, and even cancer. That's why it's so important to use technology, things like the Levels app, to stay on top of your metabolic health and stay on top of all your biomarkers and your exercise and your sleep and the tracking of your food.
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I've had to use a bunch of different apps to do this. Now with the Levels app, I can do this all in one place. I can track my metrics, my macros, my habits, and my glucose levels from a continuous glucose monitor. And now with their new features, you can even track step count, sleep, and more to understand how your daily habits shape your health.
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Plus, you can get labs directly through the Levels app or if you have your own blood work, you can upload it to track 10 key biomarkers and see the full picture of your metabolic health over time. And this is huge because there are key actions that you can take to improve it.
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For example, when Josh was on this podcast, he mentioned that even a 15 minute walk after meals can dramatically improve glucose control. And with levels, you can see these effects in real time.
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Right now, if you're interested in this, the app that tracks it all in one place, Levels is offering my listeners two free months of their annual membership when you sign up through my link, levels.link slash dhru.
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I don't know how long this offer will last, so if you've been thinking about learning more about your metabolic health and tracking all of your metrics in one place, now is the time to get started. Just go to levels.link. Yeah.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
I'm bad. The situation is bad. If I just stopped being bad, everything would fix itself.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
I'm eating too much sugar. Stop eating so much sugar.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Huge. You hinted at your story and I talked a little bit about it earlier. Let's talk about that. Would you mind sharing about your journey, which includes your own addiction story, drugs, all-nighters, SWAT teams. I'm going to hand it over to you to talk about it in the context of where we are in the interview.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Yeah.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
And you had a community of other people that you were drinking and smoking with.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
A wild journey. And inside of this process too, you were also using some like very strong drugs, right? Like meth, I think at one point in time.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Yeah, you literally were taking it to stay up all night to study for an accounting test.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
people pleasing, which is an addiction as well, or something more severe like porn, gambling, or even drugs, you have an important reminder for them. And the core reminder that you're here to present to us today is the problem is not the behavior. It's the hook underneath. Expand on this and give us an example of what you mean.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
So a couple of questions for you, zooming out for a second in this part in your story. Separate from the people that reported to you, you had other people dealing drugs with you, I think up to five people at one point in time.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Did your family, did your mom, did the people around you who actually loved you, not just wanted something from you or were selling drugs for you, did they know what was going on?
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
there's always a consequence. And sometimes the biggest consequences is the silent life that you're not living. That everybody inside knows that they are meant to do something or wants to start a business or give back or be more involved in their church or temple or synagogue or whatever it is, whatever your goals and dreams are, wants to start a family one day.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
And sometimes these, what I would call light, quote unquote, they're not light at all, addicted behaviors, they're just silently keeping us from this life that we could be living. And every day we are hooked into these behaviors without having the awareness to understand why they're happening, where they're coming from.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
It's another day that we are kicking the can down the road of our true goals and dreams.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
You know, that's a perfect place to pivot into this idea that you go deep into, which is shame. You've said that shame is often the actual fuel behind addiction.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
And that the way that we treat people who struggle often makes things worse. Why is shame so toxic in recovery and with just the spectrum of addiction? Sure. And talk about it in the context of your own personal journey as well.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
And so what we- Beliefs like I'm not good enough?
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
I want to come back to your story because I think there's a couple of dots that I'd love to connect a little bit more for our audience. Sure. I know your story in depth because I've read about it. I've heard you on other podcasts. But for this context and this conversation, so far people have heard that, hey, you had a pretty good life, you know, growing up.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Yes, you moved a bunch and you didn't fit in. At one point in time, you were mostly eating at lunch at the immigrant's table, right? Okay, that doesn't sound too bad, but you found your way through sort of combination of happenstance and other things. You didn't fit in. Alcohol was one of the vehicles of not just community, but also numbing out.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
You didn't know to call it anxiety, but that you felt this sort of overwhelming sense of combination of emotions that were there. Um, and that led to these cascading series of events. You never planned on being a drug dealer. You sort of fell into it. The part that I think that we didn't get a chance to touch on yet is help us understand some of those additional components that were there.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
What are some of the hooks? What are some of the stimulances? What are some of the other things that were there in the background that added fuel to the underlining fire that led to this situation?
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
You know, I think for a lot of people listening, even if their story isn't exactly your story, everybody can relate to some of those themes that are there. Maybe growing up with a family. I know my mom grew up with a family where people didn't say, I love you. They don't really hug each other. Yeah. that wasn't something that she saw.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
And she's extremely affectionate now, but I remember being in high school sometimes as I was trying to get into self-development and learn about some things, right as I was getting into college. And I would go up and I would just go and hold her for a long period of time and just give her a hug.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
And she had never really had, besides a great relationship with my dad, who obviously gave her a lot of love, and they really connected well together, and still to this day, they have a beautiful relationship. But she had never really had that, and she felt so uncomfortable, even from the idea of her son holding her. She loved it, but you could see that it's like, okay, okay, that's enough, right?
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
That's enough. And so getting back to what I was sharing before, there's always themes in other people's stories that remind you and hopefully should put and plant a little seed in people's head that that's really interesting. Like, where did that come from? One day I was chatting with my wife and I had opened up to her about something that was kind of a little bit tough for me.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
I was witnessing in the early part of our relationship that I would sit down, she would ask me a question about something like, you know, hey, tell me about your day or, you know, what was that situation like? And I'd start sharing with her and I would kind of notice that she would check out a little bit. Okay, fine. You know, that's a common thing. It happens in conversations and stuff.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
And then I noticed a little bit more and then I would notice it more frequently and And then one day I sat down and she had asked me a question. You know, it was kind of on my mind and I kind of snapped a little bit and I put myself back. I said, sweetie, listen, I love you.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
And I just want to say that when you ask me this question, I sometimes feel like I don't even want to go into it because I'm not sure, are you listening? Are you not listening? And I'm just curious a little bit, like, where do you think that that... did that come from someplace? Do you know, is that, and she, you know, to her credit, Yasmin, she's amazing. She has a great podcast.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Is part of what you're saying that no matter how destructive our patterns or behaviors are, there's always something that we're getting in return. And so part of the work, or a huge part of the work in this instance that you talk about in your book, which is fantastic, is trying to figure out what do you get for keeping this thing alive?
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Uh, I talk about my wife a lot on here, give her a lot of love. She really said, you know what? I'm open to exploring. I'm not sure. And I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I didn't mean it, you know, but I can see that this is something that, you know, impacts you. And, you know, I don't want to leave you feeling that way. And I,
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
One day we were chatting about something else and I won't go into the exact specifics, but it was like that aha moment of like, oh my God, growing up, I would see this or I would perceive this. And it's so crazy. Like I adopted that same type of behavior, which we all have done. We all have done those things. And I think that those are very liberating moments because it goes from
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
I'm broken and I'll always be this way to, wow, I was just a little kid trying to sort of vibe who adopted these behaviors because I thought it was the way to show up in the world.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
I'm not great at math.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
You have this pretty profound and some would say maybe controversial idea in the book to piggyback off of what you shared. I don't have the quote in front of me, but I'll paraphrase and you'll finish it. Is that all you have to do... to become someone who's not addicted.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Yeah, that's a huge unlock. Once you understand the motivations behind where your actions come from and the beliefs that they're tied to, all of a sudden, so much more opens. And it's still challenging. It's still challenging. You still have to put in the work. and you'll forget every so often who you are, talk about that in the context of your own journey.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
You know, you hit this moment in your life and literally I believe your lawyer was telling you like, if you don't get your together, And if we don't turn things around and have good behavior, I think a judge took seven years off your sentence at one point in time. They're literally going to throw the book at you. We need to get you to rehab.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
A father, a husband, an author, an expert in your field. When you hit those periods and times at various stages where you are faced with your new sense of self against your old identity.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
and there's a clash, what helped you get through those difficult times?
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Well, you're not just an expert in this space. You've actually lived this experience in your life. We're gonna be talking about your story in a second, a few things to cover, but just a little preview for people who are listening. Part of your story includes waking up one day to a shotgun in your face. We're gonna get to that in a second. But first, we talked about sugar.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Oh, we've made it a fight many times, too.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
I wanna go a little bit further. We mentioned it. Let's talk about people pleasing, for example. Sure. What would be some of the underlining aspects
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Yeah, and even if nobody ever taught you that, like on a chalkboard, like, man, don't do this, which in the case, most people never got that lesson. You just saw it.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
in this methodology that you just broken down that would put somebody in a place where they know they know that people pleasing is not serving them they know that it's not just about being nice to people occasionally but they're truly sabotaging their goals and dreams in life on a regular basis almost in a way Many people feel like, why am I doing this to harm myself?
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
You know, I want to come back to this idea that we talked about in the beginning of the podcast, which is you have an incredible story. You know, you go into detail about it inside of the book and not everybody's going to have that version of their own story.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
And that's a huge reason of why you are doing the work that you're doing is to help people understand that there's many different ways that addiction and addictive behaviors can come in and hijack your life. We talked about a few things. We talked about sugar, talked about people pleasing. What are some of the other common ones?
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
We talked about work addiction that people don't think of as these hooks and addictive patterns that are in their life that maybe this conversation is the first time they're sort of zooming out and saying, You know what? I do have something there.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
We now have, how old are you? Turning 43 this year.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Let's talk about some of the things that you do personally to help pull you out of that. And not just technology. although that's related, I'm thinking of, you know, before you got here, I was looking at your stories just to see what you're up to. And I think you posted a screenshot of a journal.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Okay. Got it. So you posted that and you were writing things that you were grateful for stuff that you wanted to see. What would be a great, day to day. I got a shout out inside of there. Thank you for including me and you've been doing great.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
You've gotten tons of actionable insights was one of the things that you wanted to do is come on this podcast and give actionable insights, which you've done a great job at that. Is that one practical example? And I'm going to just share a little bit more to this.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
I've generally found that when my day is filled with richness and practice, sometimes it feels good, sometimes it doesn't feel good, the things that you practice. That could be going for cryotherapy with my buddy Mark, who you met just when you first came in. It could be having a walk in the morning with my men's group that's there.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
It could be slowing down and having a phone-free breakfast with my wife. When my day is filled with richness, I'm less likely to want to abuse things like technology, sugar, other stuff. When my day is back-to-back, I haven't created some version of a morning routine that works for me that day, even if that's five minutes of reading some sort of scripture or something inspirational.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
I end up in a place where I'm reactionary and now all of a sudden, everything around me is controlling the narrative. And I'm simply reacting to everything that's there. And what happens? I abuse technology. I'll be reaching for the things that don't make me feel good as much.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
So turning it back to you, what are the things that you do on a regular basis to bring that richness in your life so that you are not finding yourself abusing which has a lot of great things that come along with it, but it's really the abuse that we're talking about.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Like alcohol has a lot of social benefits. That doesn't mean it's good for your body.
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It's an essential nutrient for both men and women when it comes to peak cognitive and physical performance. Their protein is made from grass-fed whey protein isolate, clean, powerful, and
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But don't be happy that you're just doing your gratitude.
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Yeah, those back against the wall moments are often the moments that
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
bubble up into the zeitgeist the most because they make for including your own story these incredible stories and they're easy for people to tell and it's easy for it to show up on media and and and uh and and they're real right they're real and most of us will not we'll face our relative versions of that yep but what i'm really hearing from you is like
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Sometimes people feel like, well, it's not bad enough that I have to get there.
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And sometimes to, you know, to add to that, people feel like it's not that bad. And that means also too, I don't have the strength to kind of get over this right now. Right. I'm not strong enough. I don't have enough willpower. I don't have anything else. And for the person who thinks that way, I think I know what you would be saying to them is that you are still hyper focused on the thing itself.
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It's not about the thing.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
It's about so much more that you actually can take a look at that could help you see the entirety of what this is. You know, I used to have a mentor that said, take somebody that you really vehemently don't like or disagree with, even if it's a historical person or somebody like a politician right now or whatever.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
If I would show you a movie of their life, this goes back to something you shared earlier, from the time that they were born, maybe even a little bit before they were born, a little bit of their parents' life, what they were born into, and you could see their entire life, even if they were 70 years old, 80 years old, you could watch their entire life, get the true essence of it, everything that happened to them, the things that didn't work out, the wins, the losses, the traumas, everything.
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You may watch that movie and at the end of it, you would still disagree with their view of the world, maybe even vehemently disagree. But there's no part of you that could say, I don't understand how they became who they are. You'd understand completely.
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It's really beautiful. It's like once you get into that upward spiral instead of a downward spiral, you become good at catching things early. Stuff still happens to you. It's just you catch it early. Oh my gosh. I was so...
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reactive with my parents this weekend that's crazy i haven't seen them in a long time i i don't want to be that way i why did i do that you know what came up for me what was the situation i was going into you know what did i feel like why did i why did that happen like the awareness around the circumstances in your life even when negative or slightly stressful things end up happening you just become so much better at just catching it early and being open
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
And just to go back to one other thing that you talked about is that the happiest, most fulfilled people in my life they're not walking around spending a lot of time with very harsh judgments about the world around them. And the opposite is true.
Dhru Purohit Show
Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
The most unhappiest people that I know who are struggling and I have so much empathy for them are the ones that are constantly stuck in judgment because they can't apply this framework that you've built they forget about applying to themselves. They can't even think about the concept about applying it to somebody else.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
And just like we have the us versus them in politics and media and in so many different aspects, there's also the internal us versus them. There's that classic saying, which is that people, if we could see the way that they speak to themselves, You're harsher to yourself than anybody around you.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
If we would see the thoughts that you would have about yourself as little thought bubbles, you would be saying the most hurtful things that not even your worst enemy would be saying to you, which is why this framework is so important. Because if we can't understand why is that? Why am I addicted to beating myself up?
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Even.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Actually, let me just even take that as a question to you. So many people feel they are addicted to beating themselves up.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Unpack that for a second.
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Well said. I'll attribute the author after the episode in the show notes. But one of my favorite questions that I came across a few years ago, I think his first name is John. He's a VC coach, early venture capitalist investor. He has this quote, he says, how have I been complicit in the things that I say that I don't want in my life? And I love that because
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
There's so many things, you know, a great place to start in your life to see where there needs to be a little bit of massaging, a little bit of awareness, a little bit of an opportunity to apply some of the principles in this book is to see what annoys you, right? And, you know, let's not start with the outer world. Let's start with your more immediate world.
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What annoys you about your coworkers, the people around you, your wife, your kids, whatever, the immediate people around you, right? And what has annoyed you for a little bit of some time?
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
and how can we take one of those examples and just as a thought experiment no different than like a debate team would look at this how can we ask yourself how doesn't mean you're 100 responsible but how have you been complicit how have you been a part of the process of making this thing a reality even though you say you don't want it in your life And I don't know if there's an actual law.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
I kind of would tell my friends sometimes, like, if there was a law of responsibility, the law of responsibility would say that the beauty is if it was at least somewhat of your fault... You can do something about it. You can do something about it. I love it. If it's 100% somebody else's fault that this situation is this way, that this is happening to you, then you have no power.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
You're powerless. So...
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Thank you for that, brother. Thank you for that.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
As we wind down over here, you know, if somebody's made it to this point in time in the interview, there's always a few individuals that say, I'm buying what you're selling, right? I believe in this. And Adi, you don't know my situation anymore. I want to be there, but I feel hopeless because of my past, because of this, because of that.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
For that person who feels like that, what do you want to share with that individual?
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2018.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Yeah. Let's see. I have like 600,000 subscribers on YouTube. Average episode there maybe gets like 20,000 views. Some have a few million. Okay. And then on audio, probably have a regular listener base of about 30 to 50,000 per episode. Okay.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Well, one of those steps can definitely be checking out the book for those people that are interested. The book is out there, came out earlier this year, Unhooked, Free Yourself From Addiction Forever. Adi, this has been fantastic.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Thanks for going on the journey of all the different layers with me. Where are you most active on social media? I think Instagram.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Beautiful. You'll find all the links in the show notes. Thank you again, brother, for coming on the podcast.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Sometimes even people celebrate you. Look at that person. They're so selfless. Look at what they do for everybody else. And they celebrate your people-pleasing. Or another one that you talk about in the book that isn't often recognized as an addiction for people is overworking. The addiction to overworking to the degree that it is sabotaging your life.
Dhru Purohit Show
Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
So I love that point that you just made, which is that you can look not only normal, but sometimes people could be celebrating you and quietly this addiction is keeping you from living the life that you're meant to live.
Dhru Purohit Show
Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Yeah, when you talk about it at high level, it's easy for anybody to see that, okay, great, that doesn't make sense. Like, why are you putting people's opinions before you? But then when you go into that model that you covered, which I believe the acronym is EAT.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
Yeah, Sparrow and EAT. We haven't gotten to Sparrow yet, but you mentioned EAT. And I'll just share my own story as that in high school, I learned, I went to a school where I had friends and I fit in in some categories, but I didn't really feel like I found my tribe.
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Break Free of People Pleasing, Sugar Addiction, and Limiting Beliefs that are Holding You Back From Living the Life You Desire with Dr. Adi Jaffe
And as part of that and moving around a lot as a kid, which you also did as well too, I got really good at being the new kid in schools. I lived in, like, three, four different cities between the time that I was young, between the time that I was born, and then I finally ended up in high school.
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And one of the things that I learned very quickly is one of the ways to get over being the new kid and be liked is do things for other people. If you could be the resource guy, if you could do stuff, if you could pull strings or whatever, then people would like you. And if people would like you, you wouldn't be left alone. And if you weren't left alone, then you were okay.
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If you were alone, you didn't fit in. You're more likely to get picked on. You're more likely to have issues. So very quickly, I got into that habit, not sitting down one day at a table and saying, I'm going to be a people pleaser because people are going to like me. It's actually this fear of, Oh my gosh, if I'm at this new school and I'm not liked, what's going to happen to me?
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Oh, this is so great because it echoes on all the data that's out there that we've been writing about in our newsletter that people like you have highlighted, which is that most people will actually lose some significant amount of weight in their life. The challenge is 80 to 90% will gain it back. And what you're talking about is having realistic
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doable goals that have a history of working for other people, like the mechanics of them, to get to a point where the weight you lose, even though it's a lot less than maybe this 30 pounds you have in your head, maybe it's half that, but you're actually going to keep it off for good because you've changed your life approach. And the other thing that I think is an aha moment for a
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is that the body doesn't want to, or the body freaks out when you lose weight too quickly. So I think those are like two big takeaways from everything that you've said for our audience.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
So once we have a much more realistic understanding of what's possible, because again, we're trying to maintain consistency to lead to long-term results, we're completely sort of changing our life. What is a more appropriate way to move forward?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
For example, if somebody dialed back that massive weight loss in a short period of time to say, hey, I'm shooting in this first phase that I want 10 pounds of fat loss, right? Not weight loss, but fat loss. And I want to add a little bit of lean muscle mass. Is that an appropriate way to approach things? And then what would be the next step from there?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
Um, our audience has gotten the memo over the last few years on protein where, where things still feel fuzzy for a lot of people. And I have definitely contributed to this as not being a subject matter expertise like yourself of learning on my own journey. I've had people on this podcast who have had a lot of different ideas and thoughts about
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how the intersection of calories meets with different foods, how it plays in with hormones, how it doesn't play. And I've been very honest with my audience since right around I turned 40, that my mind started to shift as I was doing my own personal experimentation and that I actually started to have other voices on who had the data to back up with things. So, you know, if I could set the stage a
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
My audience is an audience that generally leans and has a bias towards whole foods. Not many of them are eating the vast majority of diets from ultra processed foods. And they generally go for minimally not processed foods within that category. Um, and they generally are not afraid of, you know, fats that might be out there.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
And the area that might be fuzzy because they're listening to a lot of different people in this space is that many of them are confused is the reason that they can't lose weight. Is there something going on with hormones? Is there something going on with blood sugar? Is there something going on with seed oils? Is there something going on with obesogens? in the food system that's out there?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
And is there something else that might not be known about? So for that audience that has that sort of what I would call a natural sort of bias, how do you want to talk about calories in the context for them?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
Yeah, I think I have some follow-up commentary, which is that I don't feel great when I have a lot of seed oils in my diet, but I'm not out there telling people that seed oils- What kind of seed oils are you having in your diet, Drew?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
So, so I was just going to, just to add in to my commentary that I was saying, I got real aggressive. No, no, I appreciate it. I appreciate you jumping in. I love these spirited conversations. So take like a super healthy restaurant that's here in Los Angeles where I live, Air One, right? They make some of their meats with seed oil. Again, this is an anecdotal thing. I'm very clear on it.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
I have no evidence to support it, just how I feel. I was eating one of their items on the menu that they make with rice bran oil. I'd always feel a little bit foggy afterwards. Now, I track my calories. I think I had mentioned to you, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon came on this podcast right before I turned 40, convinced me my big issue is I'm in the skinny fat category.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
I need to get serious about building muscle and naturally sort of improve my body composition through that process. I found an incredible training group out here. And I really started to track my macros. And one of the first things I saw is that I overeat a ton of calories on fats. I under eat proteins. And as soon as I started tracking, I started noticing major shifts that were there.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
And I'm 43 now, but at that time when I got serious about it, my audience knows, in a period of about eight months of working out three to four days a week and really paying attention to my macros, still eating very healthy, I was able to go from 25.5 something body fat percentage off of caliber testing. This was in DEXA.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
So there's going to be some variation that's there and drop down into, uh, as low as 12.5. And then I kind of stabilized at 15% cause I felt better there. And I actually felt like I looked better, uh, there at that category. Most importantly though, I added about, uh, 8.9, almost nine pounds of lean muscle mass and I felt fit and I felt strong, uh,
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
way stronger than I felt in my 20s and earlier when I really wasn't serious about the gym and I wasn't tracking my macros that are there. So I'm on the train of applying these things that are there and feeling it firsthand. And for those that are aware of blood work and other things like that, my fasting insulin actually improved and my A1C improved and I was eating more carbohydrates.
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Where previously before, I had a super low carb bias that was there. I was eating not a crazy amount of carbohydrates, but I was eating more carbohydrates. And I wasn't afraid of having carbs in my diet, like white rice and sweet potatoes and other things like that that might be out there. And even, God forbid, oatmeal. So going back to the seed oil-
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Seed oil conversation is I personally would feel like if I would have what they were making is like this Korean barbecue beef, which actually tastes really amazing. And it's cooked in rice bran oil. Okay, great. It's a personal preference. I eat things like that. Even before I found out that I had rice bran oil in it, I didn't feel amazing. And it's more of a mental thing.
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It's less of a calories thing because I track my calories. I track my calories.
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I asked them, I basically have gone to them and I said, hey, for this one, and then I would take it at home and I would measure it. I would measure it at the house. So I don't eat it right away. I go home, I take out, they kind of serve it in a combo plate and I would put it on a food scale and I would measure each component.
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And I was estimating based on the kitchen, how much rice bran oil or other things are placed inside of it. Again, this is an anecdotal thing. Maybe 10 years ago, I would have shared the same things about seed oils that a lot of people say, they're the cause of all inflammation, they're this, they're that. Now it's just for me, hey, I don't feel great on it.
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And I know the data all actually supports that seed oils are not bad for you. And it's not a hill that I want to die on, nor do I have the expertise to die on. And I don't think it's actually... going to do us a lot of good as a society to, you know, focus only on that. You know, the one, Japan is in the conversation a lot, especially on X, right?
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A lot of people talking about Japan and why they have such a lower obesity rate. I think their obesity rate is around like 4% compared to America's.
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I would love to talk about that. But one thing that people don't talk about Japan that I just saw on Twitter the other day by this guy named Dan that I'll link to. He said, you know, in Japan, they use a lot of seed oils in their cooking. I don't know how true that is, but he said he had some support around it.
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So I actually have a personal bias towards seed oils, but I'm not going to tell anybody that the evidence supports that. I just feel better when I avoid them. And I'm still doing all the other basics that are out there that you talk about. So that's my own personal opinion on that.
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I think the component that I'm hearing from you is that you can have all your personal preferences for dietary. Some people might like low carbs. Some people might like higher carbs. Some people might feel better when they're eating a diet like I do where my blood sugar doesn't have a constant roller coaster throughout the day.
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Instead, I eat a meal, my blood sugar goes up, and then it naturally kind of comes down. There could be a lot of different things and there's a lot of variation. And at the end of the day, you cannot ignore the fact that if you're putting on weight, there's the caloric component that's in it. It's absolutely a part of it.
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And there has to be an aspect where however you're choosing within your own personal preference of wanting to eat still respects that law of thermodynamics, that we have to account for not overeating more calories than we burn.
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Yeah, and I think open-minded is the key. I've had a lot of people on who have all sorts of different views on these new classification of drugs, and we've welcomed everybody to share their views on it.
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And especially when clinicians who come in, who largely people feel that are pro-lifestyle change, come in and talk about, to mention her name again, I think she was one of them, Dr. Gabrielle Lyons said, I absolutely will use it as a kickstart for some patients, not all, who also have committed to do resistance training, have their protein, other things.
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And I also don't think it has to be a lifelong thing for a lot of people. And it's a kickstart that allows them to have momentum that we've had other people on, especially more in the early days that we're talking about what their concerns are around these medicines that are there.
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Largely, I think a lot of those have been cleared up minus the national debate that's going on in the sort of Maha movement led a lot by Kelly Means, who's been on this podcast before, which is talking about more of the economic aspect of these drugs and how they're paid for and the alternative of where that money could be used.
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I don't know what the supplement company is, but I know he's an entrepreneur.
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Can I share what I think? I think his, he's sort of saying, um, I think that the argument that I understand it, right. And it's great to have these conversations here. You know, that's the, that's the reason we have long format podcast is that, um,
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you know, these GOP ones, which let's take some of the big ones that are coming out of countries like Denmark, that the pharmaceutical incentive is they're being charged at a price in America with that being their largest sort of opportunity for business, that that they're nowhere near that price in other countries. So if I would add it up, I would say, like, that's one.
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And that there could be some benefits that are there for people who are really needing these things. And why aren't we also having the conversation? We talked about Japan. These drugs have largely not been super popular in a country like Japan, which invest heavily in things like school nutrition. Every school has to have a licensed nutritionist and all food has to be made onsite from scratch.
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They're investing so much effort and energy into education, growing food, teaching kids about food, healthy habits. Is it a question of you know, off of these drugs or not off these drugs? Not really. It's more also, can we have the simultaneous conversation of how else can we make sure to be investing in education and healthy meals?
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Why do we just assume that it has to be through a drug intervention? That's my understanding of it. I could have some of that wrong, but I'd love for you to chime in on any of that.
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That basically these drugs are being charged in America at completely different amounts than what they're being charged in Europe and that they're being charged because our payer system is completely different and national healthcare over there is not allowing for these pharmaceuticals to be charged at those levels.
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All of that makes sense. It makes a ton of sense. And it brings up the feeling that a lot of people, especially around this time of year, they look at their body, they pinch their love handles, they look at their flabby arms or whatever else might be there. And there's this feeling that my body is failing me, that there's something going on and my body's not doing what it's supposed to do.
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I don't think it sounds nuts. It does to me.
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There's individuals that have come on this podcast, like Dr. Tina, who's talked a lot about the myths around Ozempic and these GLP-1 agonists and clearing them up and their potential role in things like dementia, addiction, all these other categories that have nothing to do with fat loss that we should be paying attention to and how people should really understand that largely these are peptides that are there.
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But in the context of what you just shared, I feel like a huge part of what people should feel is a sense of, hey, my body is doing exactly what it's meant to do. And if I can have a little bit of forgiveness and not punish myself or blame my body, now I can actually talk about, okay, if I don't like the results, then what are the next steps of the things that I can get a chance to do?
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And within that conversation, I'd like to connect it back to something that we kind of touched on a little bit earlier. I read the book Magic Pill by Jonathan. I forgot his last name. Jonathan, it'll come back to me. And it talks about the history of these drugs. They've been around for a long time. People have been using them for a long time for treating type 2 diabetes.
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And looking at these different... you know, societies in America, what we have going on. He does a pretty deep dive into his trip to Japan. I was recently in Japan with my wife over the holidays and getting a chance to see some of these things firsthand. I brought it up and you kind of hinted at it. So what do you feel is the reason why
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A country like Japan would have 4% levels of obesity, 3.5, 3.8, 4% level of obesity compared to ours. What are some of the key things and principles you see from your end?
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So it brings up actually this piece of forgiveness. Hopefully, I feel like for the people that are listening today of, hey, your body is just doing what it evolutionarily was designed to do.
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So I'd love to just toss my own thoughts on that. And it kind of connects back to something that you said. When I went to Japan and talking to people there, I largely feel like it's a society that actually really embraces the personal responsibility side of things. The consciousness, it's not that just my decisions are impacting me. It's that my decisions are impacting everybody.
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There's this whole sort of, I think they even have a word for it. I'm blanking on it. And it leads to... but you know, some bad things as well. You know, a lot of people talk about Japanese society being less entrepreneurial, less willingness to fail, being judged, other things like that, and how that sort of impacted the economy, you know, over the last like, you know, 20, 30 years.
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But there's a sense of higher levels of education of the decisions. And it's a more, you know, focused society. I mean, it plays into a lot of things like Japan is pretty anti-immigration. It's very hard to like move there. There's a lot of layers of other things that kind of,
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I'm not saying it's good or bad, that have preserved it into a very specific society where everybody is largely operating and living the same way. But when I look at their decisions, and I'm not enough of an expert to know about the genetics aspect, there's a larger sense of awareness around genetics.
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food, food culture, even to the extent of a lot of the restaurants that you visit, even in the big cities, it's not uncommon to find the person who actually owns the restaurant, who is actually still working in the restaurant, they may not be a chef, but they're working there. And they're have a direct relationship with the food.
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And they take a lot of pride on trying to get better quality food and, and I would probably suspect that they probably spend a higher percentage of their income on actually, even though food is very cheap there, on getting food. Now, they have a ton of processed food around Japan as well too. Tons.
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They have a ton of processed food, but you don't really see that overabuse that's there. And I actually feel like a big driver of that is the personal responsibility to the degree that they are all largely growing up in a society that's like, Hey, we don't do things like that. We don't overeat. We don't do things. And I will say, uh, this was news to me, not that this was ever fly in the
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For certain corporations of a particular size, they are actually mandated to track employee health, which includes weight. And when the weight increases too significantly, you are mandated to make sure that that employee gets a plan to reduce their weight over a period of time.
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No, absolutely not. And I don't think that would fly in the U.S. Right? I don't think it would fly in the U.S.
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I definitely agree. And I think that's where the ideas are sort of merging. It's the personal responsibility with also the landscape. We all know, and I believe the evidence supports this, that if you keep more snacks in your home, you're going to eat more snacks. If those snacks are not in your home, you're not going to be eating those things. So our environment... plays a role in that.
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And I think the healthy discussions that are happening is that, and largely, I think that it can be a state's level thing, because every state might have a different sort of, you know, approach that's there. We don't really want our federal government to be mandating everybody have the same approach. We've seen how that's gone in the past with things.
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But I feel like one thing that's really interesting is you used to have the – if I would say from a political lens, people who typically were on the liberal side, green, granola, crunchy, who were shouting through the rooftops of saying like, hey, let's at least have the ability for schools that want to to make better decisions that are there and not be forced to have a vending machine inside, not be forced to have – which was the case in certain instances.
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You actually – have to take all of Cisco's sort of supply that comes in, food provided, vending machines, sodas, not even diet sodas, regular sodas that are there. Let's give more option of choice that's there. And if we can at least provide better and healthier choices that are there, maybe we make it a little bit easier. And ultimately, it all comes back to personal responsibility.
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But how do we encourage personal responsibilities?
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So in our space where a lot of people have sort of changed their mind or at least been a little bit more open-minded or have seen somebody firsthand in their family that was significantly overweight, they're like, okay, great. I get it. These drugs have a role.
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Even if I have a bias towards, you know, people moving towards like the less reliance on drugs in general, as a theme, if somebody has a personal bias, right. I'm not saying anything other than that. Even if they have a personal bias towards that, which I think a lot of us inherently have, we don't want people on too many drugs that are out there, even though that might be seen as subjective.
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A lot of people have felt, okay, I get it. These anorexics, is that what you're calling it?
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These anorectic drugs have a place that's there. Where I think that people have a little bit of feelings around it, maybe myself included, it's like, awesome. For the person who is...
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probably 30 pounds or more overweight, they're doing more harm carrying that weight around for the rest of their life than any potential, potential even, once you take out even maybe the misinformation around it, potential side effects that would be associated with the appropriate dose of these drugs that are there. How do you feel about the people that are in the 5 to 29 pounds, right?
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Do you feel that these drugs have a role for those individuals, especially if they've not taken that sort of more evidence-based approach of auditing their calories, increasing their protein, starting to do some resistance training? How do you feel about that classification?
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No, it makes complete sense. I'll add into something that you shared is that I'm very friendly with a lot of the doctors that are working in the space of metabolic and ketogenic diets to work with people who have had severe damage to mitochondrial health that looks like a major contributor to
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schizophrenia, psychosis, all the things, talking like Dr. Chris Palmer, Dr. Georgia Eade, the two doctors at Harvard, individuals who are doing robust clinical trials on the therapeutic benefits of these types of things. And in particular, in the United States, especially for young men, it seems to be that two areas are leading to a massive increase uh, crisis in young men.
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And these aren't really even getting as much of attention as things like social media, gaming, pornography, it's gambling and how pervasive online gambling has been sort of gone out there and how much these companies sort of have a predatory approach on the people who are the small percentage, not like me and you who might gamble occasionally. I
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We don't do any gambling. But the people, the 1% to 2%, which make up a massive percentage of the profits of these companies whose brains are already wired in that direction, and now they're being taken advantage of.
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So gambling is one and the other one that is not really getting hardly any attention except for a few small circles is the rise of things like high THC weed, which is leading to all sorts of problems for young men who are already predisposed for schizophrenia and other situations like that and addiction that's going on that's out there.
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So I'm actually even more than the health side and I am pretty excited about the health side, especially for the severely overweight. I'm very curious about how these things can help us reduce the addiction aspect that especially a lot of young men are facing in this country.
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Yeah, I guess when I say forgiveness, really what you're talking about is acceptance and the sense of acceptance of this is the reality. There are things that contributed to this reality, no judgment, and no judgment that you want it to be different. Now let's actually look at what we want to do that's been proven in the evidence base to take us in that direction.
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It's just never really worked in the past. Well, one thing I really appreciate, and this comes back right to you being so gracious with your time and coming on this podcast, is that One thing that I am so passionate about is the fact that all these conversations are happening, regardless of who has different views.
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And I say repeatedly, I'm not a subject matter expertise, but I like to ask thoughtful, interesting questions and let the expert, you know, get a chance to speak. But it's just great to see all these conversations happening because I truly feel that's how these debates, these people having different viewpoints, it's how we all who largely are centrist people who are open minded.
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That's the vast majority of people. It's how we learn. It's how we actually become better citizens and contribute to projects. It's actually hearing people with a lot of different opinions and then getting a chance to make up our own minds. And you definitely did that by coming on today. You know, I thought we were having a conversation about fat loss and we went into a whole other thing.
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You know, it's kind of like give the people what they think they need, but then give them really the conversation that they want.
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Yeah, you're broadening our horizons. You did provide a lot of value that's out there. I want to end on sort of one kind of practical note. Again, coming back to this idea, especially for my audience, it's largely eating whole foods, maybe not sort of tracking their calories on a regular basis, trying to pay attention to having more protein. But again, some people track, some people don't track.
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If there was one sort of behavior habit or something for this audience, again, largely my audience is not over eating junk food, McDonald's, other things like that. And they're in the, I have five to 20 pounds that I want to get a chance to make progress on. And I know I want to do it in a mindful way. I got the resistance training piece. I got the, I need to increase protein piece.
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Is there something on the doable for them that at least people could try on if they've never done it. For example, some people in the podcast previously have come on and said, Hey, if you've never tracked your calories, just try it for 14 days in the true process of like weighing your food and actually tracking it just to do a little bit of an audit.
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Then whatever you decide to do moving on from there, that's completely up to you. But at least now you'll have the awareness. Do you think that's a good piece of advice? Would you add anything, subtract anything from that advice?
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On TLC. I think I've got a couple of clips on social media. Yeah.
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I didn't say that. I don't even shop there. My assistants do. I didn't say I only eat there.
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And a lot of savings for money, which I've also personally found is a lot easier for me. Again, just my own sort of thing. When I stay away from ultra processed foods, I'm not talking about protein powders and things like that. I'm talking about junk food, junk food. Yeah. Like if I have a little bit of junk food, it's so much easier to eat a lot more junk food. If I have no junk food.
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100%.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
That's awesome. We'll link to it in the show notes below. Dr. Mike, thank you for coming on the podcast and sharing your wisdom with us. Thank you so much, Drew. It's been a pleasure.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
So I'll set you up for some of the mechanics with a question that often gets sent in where people want me to ask experts like yourself. So the question often goes like, Someone who's listening to this conversation says, I want to lose 20 to 30 pounds of stubborn fat. Stubborn is always in there in typically like a four to six month window.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
So I would add in for somebody who's asking that, what would you say are like the three to five non-negotiable principles that have to be kept in mind if somebody wants to go down that path? You know, for the last few years, I've been really prioritizing my muscle strength. With that comes soreness, tension, and just general aches and pains that come as a natural part of the recovery process.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Weight Loss Goals? Expert Sheds Light on the Key to Becoming Leaner and Stronger in 2025 with Dr. Mike Israetel
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Cynthia, today you are helping us understand what are the most important and least important things that we need to prioritize or deprioritize in our life if we're interested in the topic of weight loss, body composition, especially for those that are 40 plus. So let's jump into it, starting with the first one, which is intermittent fasting. You are an expert on this topic.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
So long-term sustained OMAD, where would you rank it?
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Yeah. You understand why people do it. You understand what they're shooting for. And you also understand that. Now, as we know a lot more about things and the importance of muscle mass, you understand why it might be misguided. Yes. And that's why podcasts like this and podcasts like yours help people weigh out the pros and cons so that they can make the right decision for themselves.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Oh yeah. Well, I got some other ones that might give you some heat too. Okay. Let's get spicy and let's bring them on. Okay.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
So in this world that we often find ourselves in, integrative medicine, functional medicine, holistic, you know, however you want to say it, often people who listen to your podcast and my podcast will hear the reason that you can't lose weight, especially guided at, you know, people above the age of 40 is you have a this thing that you're dealing with.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
So I'm going to go through a few different aspects like that. All right. So the first one that I have on our list is the reason you can't lose weight is because you're dealing with a parasite. All right. So talk to us about that specifically in the context of weight loss. Is there any truth to it? Is that crazy? And then help us rank it. Now,
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
In addition to that, there might be other things that are related to the topic of parasites, and you can share your thought about that. But let's talk about parasites and weight loss.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Yeah, yeah. So the idea that a parasite is causing weight loss resistance for somebody or is driving their weight gain, that's going to be ranked pretty low. It's going to be ranked pretty low.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Yeah, people deal with parasites. They travel. Right. Different countries, they might pick something up. I have picked up many. But in the context of weight loss or weight loss resistance, there's not much there there.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
So would you throw it as a D, an F? I'm going to give it a D. Okay, got it. And a double click on a question for you. So we've had different people come on this podcast that have talked about the category of gut health. And one of the things that often comes up is that It's tough for us to know.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
I mean, we have like the American Gut Project or other things like that, but people have a lot of different feelings about the different testings that are out there. We even had some practitioners that have come on this podcast that said that they've taken two samples from a patient on the same day and got wildly different results that are there.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
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So you mentioned you just got done writing a book about this topic of how your gut health specifically impacts you through the years and how it might tie into weight loss. Is is there anything else you can add about that? We were chit chatting a little bit before we started recording. And this is the book that you have coming out in a couple of years.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
So it's not out for the audience that's trying to get it now. Twenty twenty six. Twenty twenty six. But as soon as it is, you'll know and we'll link to it and we'll have you on the podcast. But is there anything else high level that you feel is universally applicable, especially in the context of this episode for our audience?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
amazing well we have a couple more things on our list here that relate to that but before we do it we're going to wrap up this section of things that could be the reason why you aren't able to lose weight another common one that a lot of our audience hears especially the women that listen is that something is broken with your thyroid specifically and that's the reason you're dealing with weight loss resistance
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
or that's the reason you can't shed those last, you know, 15, 20 pounds, which obviously we've talked about this podcast multiple times before. You know, from all the experts that have been here, yourself included, it's not about weight loss. It's about healthy body composition, being strong and being fit and carrying that well into your later years of life.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
But for simplicity purposes, I'm going to call it weight loss instead of healthy body composition. So where would you rank that? And where is there truth behind that? Or where is that maybe misleading for some people? The idea that your thyroid being broken is the reason that you can't lose weight.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Yeah, it's a B. You rank it as a B. It's a B. So I'm hearing a couple of things for you is that when your thyroid doesn't function well, it has impacts on all sorts of other aspects of your life. We have a receptor on every cell in the body. So it'll affect your motivation, your mood. And when it gets corrected and fixed appropriately, and maybe we'll have you mention
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
for somebody that's not as familiar with it, what things they should be asking for in additional testing so that they go beyond the typical testing that is more limited, as you saw firsthand working in a hospital setting. So if your mood is low, if you don't have energy, if you don't have motivation, you're not gonna be doing a lot of healthy habits.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
You're not gonna feel inspired to even sometimes wanna eat healthy. So there's the immediate indirect components, but also there could be some more subtle things that are more direct components that are there
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
No, that's a great breakdown. If somebody's listening today, they're like, you know what? I have like five to 15 pounds that I want to lose. And I think my biggest problem is that I just need to eat less. And they come to you and they say, you know what? Fasting seems great. And I've done it in the past. And it's always a great way to lose weight in the short term.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Help us understand what's the role of intermittent fasting with weight loss and where would you rank it on our list?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
That's great. I want to double click back on the topic of gut health. One of the things that we have on our list here is the topic of fiber. Where are you going to rank and what are the nuances that you want to share? You know, you've talked about protein and tracking your macros and other things like that. And then within this category of carbs, you have this very divisive community.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
What would you tell that person who maybe even has done a little bit of fasting and feels like it's helped them? What would you tell them when it comes to their long-term goals that the pros and cons of that would be?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Some people come on the show and they're talking about how fiber is a game changer for many people. I've definitely felt that in my own life. And there's other people that feel maybe a little bit differently or don't prioritize it as much. So fiber is on our list over here. Where do you want to rank that?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
And what kind of commentary do you want to add specifically in the context of helping to maintain a healthy body composition, especially as we age?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
yeah so if somebody can find the right fiber to work for them and we double clicked on this recently on an episode that just came out with dr will bolshevich talking about you know how low fodmap diets may be a better solution for people what are examples of low fodmap foods what are supplements like psyllium husk for some people obviously taken with the appropriate amount of water and other things like that or guar gum or gum acacia other things like that but if you can find
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
fibers that work well for you. Where would you rank that on our list?
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Okay, great.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I didn't realize I learned from Will that inulin is the highest source of FODMAP food that somebody would be happening. So he would say that he would often have people that would say, oh, it's crazy. Even if I go and have like an olipop, Right. Which is like, you know, the healthy quote unquote sodas, which are sweetened with inulin. They get so bloated.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Well, that's an indication that you probably are having some issues with higher FODMAP fibers. And you might want to be looking at foods that are lower FODMAP if you're trying to find fiber sources to at least support your gut microbiome.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Yeah, that's great. You know, I forgot one on the list of things, of the reasons that you cannot lose weight. I forgot this one, and this is a big one. And there's ads all over my YouTube channel for this. Guys, I don't pick the ads. I have no control of that. And you don't pick the ads that are there. If you listen on the audio, it's all brands that you support, right?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
For your podcast and same for my podcast as well. But you'll see so many ads that the reason you don't feel good, the reason that you can't lose weight is because you need to go on a detox. some sort of extreme detox. And if that happens, then everything will magically be fixed. What are your thoughts on that?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
And where would you rank that sort of mass market detox recommendation and approach that people get served by companies and ads all the time?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Cruciferous vegetables, broccoli sprouts, sulforaphane.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
programs unless it's really what you need yeah you're working with somebody or you're following broad evidence-based recommendations like anything that gets you to sweat yes right you mentioned sauna exercise um you know cruciferous vegetables absolutely fiber in the diet which hoping every day multiple times a day constipated yep right so detox in a box this pill is going to solve all your problems let's rank that to d that's a d okay not an f
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
No, no.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
You're very optimistic person. You see the bright side. Yes.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Let's move on to a few other categories of things. Okay. All in this topic of the top things that people are wondering, do they have to do more of it or less of it? Or how does Cynthia Thurlow feel about these items when it comes to being over the age of 40, men or women, and feeling like you're not able to have a healthy body composition or lose the weight that you want to do?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
So the next one that we have on the list is intense cardio. We have a woman that's riding a bike over here. It looks like a Peloton or something like that. Where would you rank intense cardio on the list of things? And what do you want to say about it?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Yeah.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Yeah. Well, we don't have an icon for it, but for that smarter style of working out, and maybe you can just recap what it is. Are you talking about strength training?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Or I have to be at this super high intensity for a 30 or an hour long class. And you just don't recover the same way. You just don't recover.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Yeah. So we don't have an icon for that, but if we had it, it'd be an S. Yes. That'd be one of the top things that you could be doing. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, another one that we talk about a lot on the podcast and it's going to have some context around it, but it's a great opportunity to bring it up. This magical number, which everybody knows now kind of just
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
You mentioned tracking macros. That is one of the icons on our list. We have a little bit of food here that's on a scale that's being weighed out. Just double click on that a little bit more. Yeah. Because I think that there are a lot of people that are like, oh, you want me to count all my calories forever? No.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
came from a Japanese pedometer company, but there might be some truth that's there to it. And this idea of getting 10,000 steps a day, or at least shooting towards that. So what do you think about that? And where would you rank that?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
I feel differently.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
And then there's another group of people that feel like, you know, why do I have to be thinking about, you know, my foods and auditing them? I'm eating a whole food diet. So rank counting your macros, right? So let's put that somewhere on the list over here and then go into that a little bit more.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
If you can't get 10,000 steps, even getting 10 minutes of this burst training, this high intensity training for 10 minutes, that's even more impactful or just as impactful as that. So don't feel bad. There's plenty of days where I don't get in 10,000 steps. You're busier, you're sitting down, you're in a lot of meetings.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
But since seeing that and looking at some of the research that's there, it's like, okay, we all have 10 minutes where we can go all out and do something safe and appropriate for what we feel our capabilities are. Sometimes for me, that's, doing a series of sprints, not continuously for 10 minutes.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
You get tired after 30 seconds, 60 seconds, and you need to take a break for a couple of minutes and then do it again. Or it's doing maybe one of these classes that sometimes I'll pull up on YouTube, or my friend has a website called TMAC Fitness. So even if you can't get 10,000 steps, just doing anything that's rigorous for you for 10 minutes, that is still a lot right there.
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And it matches what you're saying.
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All right, here's one we've asked you about before, but we got to bring it up in the context of this conversation. Alcohol. Daily consumption of alcohol, which sometimes seems to go up, especially as people get older and they feel like, oh, to cope with all the different things that they're dealing with, being a caregiver or this or that or the state of the world or crazy times in business.
Dhru Purohit Show
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You know, it's that glass of wine, which turns into two glasses of wine. What is the challenge with that when it comes to specifically weight loss, weight loss resistance, and where would you rank it?
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Wow.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Is it going to be our first F on the list? This might be an F. Okay. All right. We got it. We got our first F. Okay. On the topic of beverages, I only have one icon for this, but we're going to split it up into two that you can rank. The daily soda that even a lot of healthy people sometimes have. And also let's call that a daily diet soda.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Where does diet Coke and then a regular slow soda play a role in weight gain and people's journey of improving their body composition and feeling like I just cannot lose those last five, 10, 15, 20 pounds.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Okay, so then automatically we're going to put that right up there with alcohol.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah, I've had a few people on my podcast that have kind of changed my mind on this topic. I'm not a diet soda drinker. I understand that people drink it. And we had on a couple of folks, but one in particular, he broke down that
Dhru Purohit Show
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know on these big studies where people are measured with water diet soda regular soda the people that lost the most weight were the people that were actually on diet soda right and and that's obviously just you know one study but it was a well done study and it was a good amount of people
Dhru Purohit Show
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And the other aspect that this individual brought up, this is Lane Norton, who I know is a controversial figure for a lot of people in the space that are there. I got introduced to him through Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, who him and they share the same mentor. He's been on your podcast. Don Lehman.
Dhru Purohit Show
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And he was saying on the topic of diet soda and some of these artificial sweeteners, which I personally choose to avoid. Yeah.
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is that when people make a big stink about them with the gut microbiome and you know some of the rodent data that's out there is like you have to look at if you take a rodent and understand that 50 of the studies on rodents don't translate to humans right but then also what is a dose appropriate even if you're taking that rodent study is true
Dhru Purohit Show
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If you look at the amount of diet soda equivalent that you would have to be having as a human being to what they expose those rodents to, you're talking about having 50 sodas a day, which nobody's really having those 50 sodas. I hope not. I tend to be somebody that's probably in the same camp as you. I want to skew and I have a bias towards probably a more natural lifestyle.
Dhru Purohit Show
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But you're also a realist and you take care of a lot of people. I'm not even a practitioner. I don't take care of anybody, but I just get to interview really cool people like yourself and laying on the podcast. And so if that's the thing that's helping you out, amazing.
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Because I do believe in the larger aspect, which is if you ask people to do too many different things to change their life and upend it, they're going to end up throwing up their arms and say, I'm not going to do anything. It's too much work. And that's not what we want people to do. We want them to focus on the things that matter the most.
Dhru Purohit Show
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like exercise and eating more fiber and tracking their macros and getting activity in, right? Those are the things that we want them to focus on the most so that they actually can make this journey sustainable for them.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah, that's well said. Well, you know, that really goes into this question of mindset. And that's one of the icons that we have on here. You know, the role that mindset plays when it comes to our journey of feeling strong, aging in a way that is strong and not sort of feeling like we're sort of disappearing in the background.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
The weight loss journey that a lot of people are on where they're going from focusing on just the numbers on the scale to really understanding the role of a healthy body composition. And originally this wasn't on my list and I was catching up a couple of days ago on some of your episodes for your podcast, which is fantastic. Can you mention the name of your podcast? The Everyday Wellness Podcast.
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Yeah. Everyday Wellness by Cynthia Thurlow. We have a link in the show notes below. Please follow, especially if you're a woman that's going through the stages of perimenopause, menopause, that stage of life. If you're curious about that or somebody that you love is going through it, this is absolutely the best podcast for people in that bracket and many other brackets to be listening to.
Dhru Purohit Show
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But you had on a friend of yours recently and you were talking to her about mindset. I believe it was Natalie Jill is her name. Yeah. And you had asked her the role that mindset plays into it. And I thought, wow, this is a great opportunity to really talk about this because we don't give this enough attention.
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And just how important is it on the journey of weight loss, weight loss resistance and feeling strong?
Dhru Purohit Show
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Hmm. So would you put that as another S? I think it's an S. Okay. Let's put it as another S. We don't have the icon for the other S, which I forgot, which is exercise. The most important thing, smart exercise, resistance training, something that matches where you are in life to help you keep strong. But mindset is going to be right up there.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Is there one, two or three things that you think are universally applicable to for people who are like, hey, I want some of that, right? I want some of that. What is some introductory things that you would recommend that they could be thinking about creating in their own life? It could be a book. It could be a habit that could help them improve their mindset.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Are there top things like destructive mindset beliefs that people have that sabotage this journey? Oh, absolutely.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Well said. Well said. All right. We're going to switch to another category within this tier ranking that we've been doing. You were one of the first people on the podcast that was really talking to women in particular, but everybody about why they needed a daily dose of creatine. So let's talk about creatine. Yes. You can talk about a big picture. Creatine is having its moment. It is right now.
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It's everybody's talking about it. The dosages keeps on going up for, uh, the recommendations. It went from five grams to 20 grams for some people, 10 grams seems to be a little bit of where a lot of people are talking about right now. People are talking about how it's helping for a lot of things way more than muscle building. Yeah. Um, Why don't you chat about that?
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And then does it have a role in the topic of weight loss and healthy body composition?
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah, you're such a huge fan. You ended up creating your own creatine. I did.
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Yeah, and creatine is one of the most researched, if not the most researched supplement.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah, yeah, definitely. So a high-quality creatine like the one that you make, which, by the way, where can people go to find that? www.themidlifepause.com. Midlife Pause. Okay, great. We'll put in the show notes. Where would you rank that? A high-quality creatine, where does it rank? It's an A. It's an A. Awesome. Beautiful.
Dhru Purohit Show
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On that note, you mentioned it previously, but since we're on the topic of supplementation, what about protein powders? Some people want plant-based, some people are okay with whey, some people do a beef protein. How do you feel about protein powders and where would you rank them on the list?
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah, I went to Japan last year with my wife for the first time and it's like, they generally, it's kind of hard to find a lot of protein there. Our hack, by the way, if anybody goes, is just really try to load up at breakfast. Yeah. But I was having sometimes, you know, two quick protein shakes in a day just to make sure that I hit my... Different and unique. Right, different and unique.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Absolutely. Yep. Right? But yeah, I have probably about two scoops of protein a day as part of my routine of creating a healthy shake in the morning with some fiber, healthy fats. I'll throw in some microgreens. I'll throw in some broccoli sprouts. I always post my recipe in my newsletter if anybody's interested. I'll usually put some fruit inside of there as well. I like some frozen strawberries.
Dhru Purohit Show
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And I actually throw in a couple of coffee beans as well, because I love the I love the grit. I love a little bit of greatness in my in my shake. So, you know, a protein that works for you as a part of your, you know, life to help you sort of top up and hit those protein goals, not abusing it. Where would you rank that?
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah, I love that. You know, on the topic of, you know, talking about supplements, I want to go to food a little bit because a lot of people hear mixed messages about this topic, that there's certain foods that if you would stop eating that food, then all of a sudden you would be able to lose weight. And one of the biggest ones that's out there right now is the topic of seed oils.
Dhru Purohit Show
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I don't have an icon for it, but we're going to rank it. Talk to us about that from your perspective in the context of weight loss resistance. I'm holding on to 5, 15, 20 extra pounds that are there. And there's a lot of people that are out there that are shouting from the rooftop that if I could only get rid of all the seed oils in my diet, then everything would correct itself.
Dhru Purohit Show
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What are your thoughts on that?
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah, totally. I generally feel the same way as you. The only thing uniquely I've always seen for myself, and it took a long time for me to figure it out, I figured out in sort of college, is that in particular, like deep fried foods, which are often fried in seed oil, right? Now there's a trend of people frying in beef tallow and other stuff, but it wasn't ever really the case.
Dhru Purohit Show
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I would usually feel immediately off within like one, two, three, four servings of that. Like if I had fries like two days in a row, my throat was always my Achilles heel. And if I felt like my throat was getting inflamed or other stuff, I remember talking to it with the functional medicine doctor, he's like, You can have like a stealth virus.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Like sometimes people have like stealth strep virus that's in their throat. And you have denatured oils that come in contact with your body. And all of a sudden, you know, you can have viral expression, bacterial expression. You can have other things. So you're immediately getting this inflammation. There might be something that's going on. He said sometimes people even have it in their tonsils.
Dhru Purohit Show
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And they said they've biopsied people's tonsils and they've sent it in. They've had issues. You know, if their tonsils always get inflamed. Luckily, I didn't have to take out my tonsils as an adult. I just stopped having fried foods. And I don't feel like shit, especially in my throat when I have fried food.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Totally. And, you know, I don't know the restaurants that you were going to, but there's a restaurant that was out here that was sort of advertising like, oh, you know, we don't use, you know, we cook our fries in like tallow or duck fat or other things. And then a friend of mine, Kayla Barnes, who lives in L.A.
Dhru Purohit Show
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she went to that restaurant and she said, Hey, like she went into the kitchen and said, Hey, like, okay, just, I'm just checking. Cause I'm crazy about this stuff. Like, do you actually, it doesn't touch any seed oils. They're like, no, no, no. We initially cook it in seed oils. We finish it in duck fat. And she started calling around and she found out that that's actually quite common, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
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They finish it in duck fat, but it's still cooked in seed oils that are there. But again, these are minor items. You know, again, we're talking about our own personal journey of dialing a few things in a little bit here and there.
Dhru Purohit Show
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But in the larger context of things, if you're just not eating out as much, if you're not eating a lot of processed foods in general, you're not going to have a lot of the crappy stuff that typically comes along with it.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah. No, shout out to True Food Kitchen here in L.A. Sweet Greens. Yes. Stopped using seed oils. Parakeet, which is a local restaurant. I heard you talk about that. Yeah, Parakeet is a local restaurant. It's based in, I think they have a bunch of locations in San Diego. Now they've come up to L.A.,
Dhru Purohit Show
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um there's more and more places every year there's a consumer food truck that's here in la that's at the brentwood farmers market and a few other farmers market it's called artie's uh artie's burgers he only uses um The Acre oil. The Acre, I forgot the name of the company, but he doesn't use any seed oil. So consumer demand, people are waking up, they're wanting different things.
Dhru Purohit Show
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And there's entrepreneurs that are willing to create that.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah, masa chips.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
I mean, when I first started tracking my macros, it was a game changer for me. Even though I've been eating healthy for years, you really don't understand how much you are consuming of different categories until you track. And then you get better at eyeballing. You look at a piece. Me and my wife have this fun thing where she'll be like, oh, like how much protein is in that?
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah, but going back to, you know, tracking your calories and your macros, I love masa chips, shout out to them. You look at it and you look at a serving, a serving is 28 grams, which is, I think, nine chips. Correct.
Dhru Purohit Show
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When you look at corn and beef tallow and these other things that are part of it, again, if you are thinking, oh, it's a seed oil-free snack, I'm just going to have it willy-nilly, you can end up eating, you know, 200, 500, 600, 800 calories extra in a day just by smashing, you know, not even a whole bag, you know, a quarter of a bag easily can put you over the top.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
So this is why having that awareness that you were talking about at the beginning of the episode is so key. Not that you have to track your calories or your macros forever, but just auditing it enough so that you know what your favorite foods are coming in on.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Yeah. All right, a few more categories that we have here left over on the list of your game. I'm game. And so far, this has been fantastic. I love all the nuance you bring to every item that we've rated because there are a lot of things that it depends. Are you going to do it this way? Are you going to do it that way?
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
And one of those categories that I really want to get your thoughts on as I want to get a lot of my experts on the podcast their thoughts on is your updated stance and views on GLPs. Right. Yep. So let's talk about it.
Dhru Purohit Show
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And I'll try to guess and then we'll weigh it out. And I'm usually pretty much there. Mm hmm. Because I have gotten so good at eyeballing it after tracking for a period of time. And I also have noticed for myself that if I waver on my diet, which we all do every so often, if I get back to tracking for a week, that's a nice way for me to like reset and regroup.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah. Like you, I've had different friends or family members that have gone on these drugs and I've gotten a front row seat because many of them have been okay with me talking to them about it or even talking to their practitioner about it. And I've seen firsthand the people that do it right and the people that do it wrong and
Dhru Purohit Show
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um and on the wrong side not wrong but i would say in a way that is not supportive of their long-term goals that are there and it could be that their doctors are only focused on the obesity that they're dealing with or they're just looking at the blood markers they're not looking at the level of frailty that is it's creating or the the how um many of them because they don't feel that hungry
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
this in the i'm just using wrong as in quotes right uh the misguided camp or the camp that's not looking after long-term sort of uh the full 360 picture i've seen this trend where they're not that hungry and they also are used to things kind of stimulating them so just the natural tendency is to just eat a little bit of very hyper palatable foods, which tends to be more processed.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
So that means that they're not getting the protein, they're not getting the fiber, they're not getting a lot of things that you ranked very high on the list here. And they just know that they're so scared of getting off the drugs that they just have said, I'm just never gonna get off of them because I don't wanna go back to that lifestyle that I had previously.
Dhru Purohit Show
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And then there's the people in the camp that are doing it right because they've made an individual decision with their practitioner. And it seems to be people who've had this conversation of like, okay, we have to see how you relate and react to these personalized dosages that are there for you. Um, it would maybe not be a full dose.
Dhru Purohit Show
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And I know this is a very controversial topic because there's all these companies that are dealing in litigation with, you know, these compounded pharmacies and technically they're breaking the law and like how that sort of pans out. And then big pharma wants all the compounding pharmacies to stop prescribing these drugs. Nonetheless, there's been a conversation with the practitioner that says,
Dhru Purohit Show
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All right, we have to see how you react to these dosages. And we have to see about the progress that you made. And then, but know that ultimately I am trying to do everything that I can with you. And I want you to also be in the camp that would you be open to getting off of these drugs? If we can set up enough lifestyle components and other aspects that are there that we can get off.
Dhru Purohit Show
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And again, those practitioners are not saying that to everybody. Maybe there are some people that need to be on them for a longer period of time. but that they feel like they've gotten momentum and they feel excited to ultimately get off. Now, I only know one person personally that's gotten off, and I can't even say that they've been off of it long enough to see how it all has shaped out.
Dhru Purohit Show
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What's been your experience with the people that either you know or clients that you've worked with? Have you seen people successfully get off and It's been some time now. This is all very new for a lot of people in our modern day and age who are taking these drugs, but have you seen instances of people who have been able to get off and then keep the weight off?
Dhru Purohit Show
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So, GLP-1s, ranking them on our list for those that need it, which, again, sort of a broadening category, and I'm trying to stay open-minded with my own views. I was talking to a woman a few weeks ago who is
Dhru Purohit Show
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um doing a fundraise and a non-profit around getting uh people to contribute to clinical trials that they want to do for um addiction studies right and there's i know there are other people that are working in this space because there's a lot of promising anecdotal evidence of people who have been able to
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Break free of alcohol addiction and some of these other things, which is pretty mind-boggling that that's out there. So I'm trying to stay open-minded. And like you, I've had a change of mindset as I've talked to people over the last year or so, comparatively, when I've first been hearing about it. But we're talking about appropriately...
Dhru Purohit Show
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using glps again for those who need it who are also doing the things that you've talked about and other people on my podcast have talked about resistance training having protein and all the other lifestyle components where would you rank that i think they're a solid b for people that really genuinely need i'm not talking about the health influencer who has no way to lose who just wants to use it as an edge off their appetite i'm talking about people that legitimately need the drug
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah. So a B. Yeah. Amazing. All right. Well, we've gotten through most of the list. All right, let's talk about another one on the topic of medications, supplemental things that people can do. Everybody's talking about it right now in this mental revolution that we're having. And it doesn't just apply to women. It applies to men as well. And that's hormone replacement therapy.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Give us your nuanced take on it and where would you rank the appropriate use of it?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Well, you kind of talked about this, but this is a trend that got really popular a few years ago and people have a lot of questions about, and that's OMAD, right? One meal a day. And it's on our list over here. And some people feel, oh, wow, because they've maybe heard from an author. There's some pretty prominent books that are out there is, oh, that's all you need.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Amazing. And what about the idea of some people feel that, oh... As long as I finally start HRT in whatever capacity, then I'll finally be able to lose weight. Where do you want to sort of address that or sort of temper the expectations around that?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
I mean, I think this is the reason that you can't lose weight is because you're not on hormone replacement therapy and your hormones are completely out of whack.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
really amazing at making things actionable and practical and straightforward. You know, not everything on the list that we talked about today is simple, but when you explain it, the application of it is straightforward. And I think that's the thing about the topic of weight loss resistance, being strong, being fit.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
It takes work and effort and energy, and it's a little bit too overly simplistic to call these simple, but that doesn't mean that they're not straightforward. There's only a few things that at the end of the day matter or get ranked as an A or an S or even a B. And you've really helped us highlight those aspects.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
And this seems like, well, why don't you tell our audience? What is OMAD?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
So if you were to summarize your view, if somebody sat you down and said, or somebody was hopping into an elevator with you and you had just a minute with them to basically share your viewpoint on this topic that feels so complicated for a lot of people, but actually can be straightforward. How would you summarize your approach to weight loss and getting strong for people above the age of 40?
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
Amazing. Well, Cynthia, I think this is your third or fourth appearance on the podcast. And every time you come on the show, you totally deliver. So with an immense amount of gratitude, I thank you for coming back on. And it's always so much fun to do that in person.
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
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How to Get Fit for Summer: Ranking the Best and Worst Health Trends of 2025 including Fasting, Creatine and Detox Diets with Cynthia Thurlow
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
Jeff, welcome to the podcast, brother. It's an honor to have you here. And I'm excited about everything that you're working on. In particular, you got a new book coming up. And inside of that book, Good Stress, a big thing that you talk about is that there are positive bits of stress that can radically make our life better.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
Yeah, well, let's start off with the first one, which is from a lot of people's observation, they're looking around, they're driving to work in the morning, and actually a lot of people around them look pretty stressed. So what's going on there?
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
What was part of that? I'm sure you're into so many different things. You learn from so many different teachers. You have your own podcast. You get to have a lot of people. Do you want to just mention your podcast so that people can check you out?
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
at the end of my name you know i'm not a doctor um sometimes i wish i went to medical school but i guess someone told me when you're not an expert in anything that makes you a thought leader so was there anything that you felt was super helpful in unwinding that story because i think a lot of people listening feel like i am at least somewhat aware of that story but it has such a grip over me and my life that i sometimes forget that it's a story and it just becomes
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
my reality, like how can I step out of it? Are there methodologies, systems, workshops, books that have been helpful that you might recommend that were helpful for you?
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
Yeah, that's awesome. I've had the chance to meet Gabor a couple of times, Gabor a couple of times, but not spend as much time as you have with him. I can only imagine that that moment must have been, it's something I'm sure you were sort of, you know, kind of aware of these different things, but it's when, you know, the master comes in and he tells you, you're like, okay.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
So you're talking about this idea of sort of reshaping that narrative to also realize that, you know, partly what I'm hearing is that a lot of these quote unquote bad habits that you had, maybe not were a byproduct of you people pleasing, putting everybody else first and not putting yourself first. Is that part of what I'm hearing?
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
Let's go back to some of these practical items that you were doing that you've incorporated that you write about in the book. One of the first ones was fasting. Right. You found that was helpful for you. In addition to sort of the caloric restriction benefits, it's just hard to overeat when you have a more condensed window. There's also the healing properties that can come along with it.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
You know, for thousands, hundreds of thousands of years, we as humans have been focused on getting as much stress out You're here to convince us that maybe the extreme version of that, taking all stress out of our life, is actually a detriment to our health. Let's talk about that.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
You know, your audience, like my audience, is largely, is mostly women, right? There's still a lot of strong men out there too, but it's largely women. Where have you fallen or sort of seen, and you're surrounded by incredible women in your life, your daughters, your wife. How have you sort of seen that sort of contextualizing recommendation for the female demographic?
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
Yeah, I've personally found in my own life, you know, as people are stacking all the different platforms recommendations that are there specifically talking about, you know, women. And I love all the different perspectives. I truly feel by getting all these different voices, like people on your podcast, my podcast, we all learn through that process.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
But the common thing that I hear from a lot of women in my podcast is, okay, Hey, you know, I'm being recommended this amount of maybe let's say protein to be able to hit.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
which already can be difficult for a lot of people to get. I'm being recommended this level of maybe activity and there's different recommendations in it, but let's say some level of strength training or walking or other stuff that generally a more concentrated eating window, but beyond that component,
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
I, and I've seen this with my wife, my sisters, it's like, it's hard to meet all the goals and still then adhere to fasting. And so there's this sort of happy medium that I've seen that a lot of women have found in my own life and some of my listeners too, which is great. We're just talking about, you know, you're having this 12 hour period of when your last meal is and your meal in the morning.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
And then there might be periods of time if people want to take it more aggressively. But I think the challenge sometimes for women can be, you can lose weight very quickly when you fast, but then you can gain it back very quickly if it's not sort of set up in a habit that works for you in your own lifestyle.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
And now with more studies coming out about the benefits of just adhering to some sort of caloric restriction or caloric maintenance, it seems like some of those things are starting to equate, even though I'm sure there's way more to the fasting story than we even know,
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
where, hey, if you find a routine that works for you, that helps you hit all these goals and leaves you not feeling so hungry all the time, you can still be in a place where your body can get a lot of those benefits. So yeah, that's the personalization that everybody's looking for on their own journey.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
Amazing. So you wanted to go a little bit deeper into fasting. Is there another one of these positive stressors that you've embraced that you think would be important for our audience to hear about?
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
I think I love the psychological benefits. When I go and do cryotherapy, cold plunge, and you come out, you literally feel... It's like it could be late in the afternoon. You feel like you just drank a double shot of espresso, but without all the, you know, side effects that come along with that, like the caffeine crash and feeling jittery and other stuff.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
You just feel so alert through that process. Susanna was just in town. Dr. Soberg was in town. I think we asked her about fat loss. She said there's no studies yet. That cold water supports that. But I'm hearing from you that that was your experience, that you saw it firsthand that that stack made a difference.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
No, I mean, there's plenty of things that I do in my life that there's no studies for. It's just when you're on a podcast, you know, just clarifying for the audience. Thank you. This is your experience. It's there. You're not saying that there's some big component like with fasting.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
There's all these different studies that are out there about its ability to, you know, clean the body and be supportive for even things like people are using like Valter Longo using chemotherapy plus fasting to be a more effective way to target cancer. Right. Those studies are out there. Like that's super fascinating.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
Did you have him on your podcast? So he's one of the big researchers from Boston University that found that I believe it's glutamate and... One other, there's two things that he identified that if you can kind of cut off the sources. So he has this whole Seafreed protocol. There's this place that's from Texas called the Keto Pet Sanctuary.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
And basically it was a group of people that were involved with Quest, Quest Nutrition, that then were getting super into like ketogenic diets and were actually taking dogs, like literally dogs that were about to be put asleep, AKA killed because they had cancer. It's too hard to treat them. They had massive tumors on the side of their body.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
They were bringing them in and they were putting the dogs on basically like a biologically appropriate, you know, raw food diet for dogs. It's called BARF, biologically appropriate raw food. And they were giving them plenty of exercise, a lot of sun, other stuff and getting them away from all like the processed pet food that was out there.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
And they had this loose theory, which was if they put the dogs into ketosis, you know, can there be something that comes from it? And then all these dogs were being saved and it was called the Keto Pet Sanctuary. And then that turned into like, hey, if this is working for dogs, is there something that's out there for humans? We did a whole episode with their whole team.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
And then we had this guy from Vancouver. Again, this is his own journey, but he basically was diagnosed with a rare type of cancer that was sitting on, was a tumor that was attached to like the top of his heart. He didn't know what was going on.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
He had shortness of breath, other stuff, young health, like healthy guy in the sense of no other history, was overweight, you know, stressed out, other things. And then he went into the doctor's office and they basically said, you have this tumor on your heart and this is what's going on. And he was like- what's the option?
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
And they said, well, you don't have a lot of options and we can even do the surgery to try to see if we can save your life in the next 48 hours because his shortness of breath was increasing. But even then you only have maybe six months, eight months to live. The guy's name is Den Stacy. Anyways, the surgery worked out and it was a miracle.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
But then they were like, okay, we saved you, but you still only have like six months to eight months left to live. And And he kept doing some digging and he found the Seyfried Protocol. And he walked us through this whole thing of its combination of a very specific type of diet, controlled macros. It's not just like, oh, let's go on the ketogenic diet and we'll forget about it.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
It's like a hyper specific diet. that then also introduces certain prescription drugs and then hyperbaric oxygen, the hard chamber hyperbaric oxygen. And so anyways, it's a little out there, but people can listen to it. And it's so much we don't know about what works and knock on wood, he's doing well today. And again, it was like the whole C-free protocol, but this goes back to your idea of,
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
of just like how much is out there first testing with ourself. In this instance, he likes to tell people, I literally was only given months to live.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
So I was willing to take the risk of doing something, even if it didn't work out, because they're already telling me that I was going to pass away anyway, if nothing ended up happening, which, you know, gave him and his wife the confidence that it's like, let's just try this. It might be a long shot, but let's try this. That's not my medical advice.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
We're not telling you to do those sorts of things, but it's just fascinating that exist out there.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
Yeah, yeah. How excited are you about the future, right? How do you feel about all the things that are happening right now? Zooming out a little bit in the health space, we have the Maha movement, we have a lot of different things going on. You mentioned AI. How do you feel about the future?
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
Well, let's talk about some of these ideas in the book, which is stress, befriending stress. Yeah. And you have all of these practical ways that people can bring to their life where you can make some of what you're saying tangible. Yeah. in the early part of the podcast. Let's pick your favorite one.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
It's good to get your perspective on that. It's interesting because I look at sort of my, the group that I know and all the different places that I've lived in and just what the general sentiment is. I feel like in a weird way, I see just a lot of people, regardless of what side of the political aisle they were on.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
I've just seen a lot more people come to what I see as sort of like becoming like sensible centrist with a lot of stuff.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
I even look at like just the media that people are paying attention to. And I'm not saying that there aren't the extreme voices that are out there. I've seen more people being willing to have a conversation about topics in health and things that are contributing to the rate of chronic disease and general problems. Like health is really like more mainstream than ever. Yeah.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
You know, and I think that there will always be soundbites and social media clips. But when I just look at like how people feel, what they're paying attention to, what they're highlighting, the fact that an entire new group of people from all different edges are thinking about health, I'm like, wow, this is not really the thing that I saw. It was kind of like weird to be healthy.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
And then now all of these people are talking about health. And I think that, you know, the fact that that conversation is happening and you have different ways that people could potentially be entering into it. I don't know, that makes me pretty hopeful about stuff.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
I think that's natural part of it. It's kind of like the flip side is like during the BLM riots that we were sort of seeing that were there, there was a lot of conversation. Like we just need to burn the whole system down.
Dhru Purohit Show
Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
Right. So you get those sort of things that happen that are out there. And I think smart people are like, look, we can understand that people are feeling very emotional about these things, especially people who don't feel like they've been heard or other components.
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Stress Can Actually Make Your Life Better. Here’s How and Why You Need to Reframe Your Relationship with Stress with Jeff Krasno
What is one of the best ways that you've found for your personal self that you've incorporated this making stress your friend, befriending your stress, what does it look like for you?
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But, you know, when it does, are there certain aspects of any topic, you know, like, I think the challenge always was if we can have within a topic of, hey, are there parts of, I was somebody like, Al Gore, Inconvenient Truth. I saw that. I'm like, oh my gosh, like, yes.
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And as you read a little bit more and you see, and you go into each subtopic, you're like, okay, great. Here's the part that like makes sense. Oh, here's the part that I had no idea. Here's all this that I had no idea about when it came to the conversation around nuclear, the good, the bad, the ugly.
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Nobody was even willing to have that conversation in the circles that I was paying attention to because it was like, oh, if we go into that, that's the forbidden fruit. So I'm seeing a lot more sort of forbidden fruits sort of fall to the wayside. And at least we can look at everything independently. And we're not looking to say, hey, are you for this thing? Are you against this thing?
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Let's talk about every single one that's there. Like one that I learned about recently that I have no idea if it's real or not, but I want to look into it.
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is like it are any of these excessive beached whale things that we're seeing is there any truth at all related to the wind farms that are being created like have you heard this whole theory that's out there not really i don't know i mean i've just seen little memes and i've seen the memeified version well one of the guys that was the author of the book uh uh san francisco which was talking about how our very progressive approach to maybe drug
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dealing with the drug and addiction crisis could backfire on a city and lead to all these unintended consequences and things like that. I think his name is Michael something. He tackled this whole component. Now, former me, drew the Al Gore inconvenient truth is like, how dare you talk about wind, you know? And I don't want to be that way with any topic. It's like, oh, let me learn about that.
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Like I was reading, you know, a month ago, I was reading this book, the name is blanking me, but it's the history of how Lyme disease evolved and how we were bioengineering it, you know, gain a function. And we were looking at developing like society, the government Lyme as genuinely like a bioengineered drug.
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And that we could use against our enemies and how the theory around Lyme disease in Lyme, Massachusetts is that this basically ended up leaking. And there's a lot of strong evidence that's there. A professor from Stanford University who was involved in the book was talking about all this stuff. And I'm like, I had no idea. So I want to just be open.
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And that doesn't mean that I'm going to be convinced of everything, but at least I'm willing to hear the conversation that's happening. Also too, I feel like people are not dumb, right? People start to pay attention, especially in our world of like, think about how many things in the health world to bring it back to kind of some of the concepts in your book, right?
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I don't know your full story, but largely I can imagine some of your stories kind of like mine. I grew up in a world where it was the plant-based world. I did like the raw food diet for a long time. And some of the things that people would say back in the day that I drank the Kool-Aid on was like, you know, animals don't eat cooked food. You know, you got to eat raw food.
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Like that's what we're biologically designed.
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Or that fat doesn't make you fat.
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Yeah. Like it could be all of those things in between. And along with it, even this feeling on like, I know one of the things that was inside the book, like even prioritizing protein. Think about how many people have changed their minds over the last few years, even though that data and evidence was around for years, the science around protein synthesis.
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And you can get it from a lot of different sources. You can get it from vegetarian and other things. But I literally used to tell people way back in the day before I had a podcast or anything, before I even was introduced to this whole world of functional medicine, I would tell people like, okay, how does a gorilla get its protein? Right? Yeah. Okay. That sounds great.
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Well, actually a gorilla eats a lot of protein because they eat a lot of quantity of food. They're eating like a, you know, a third of their body weight every single day. So that's how they get it. Right. And they're eating all day long. So the idea that like gorilla's
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realize don't eat protein is like kind of crazy so you know coming back to just even some of the concepts of your book there's a lot of things that we've all changed our mind on and then we incorporate it in and i hear you saying like you know try it on for size incorporate this stuff and i feel like people are a lot smarter than we than we think they are um and they'll listen to a lot of different sources and they'll kind of make up their mind about it well one of the um
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And over the course... Individually or you were doing it with kind of a group?
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You're here. I want you to interrupt me if you feel like you have something to say. So there's also that side of it too. But I get the general point of what you're making.
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When we're sitting with somebody, especially where there's this bridge that's there, if we go in with this idea that I want to get what I want to say in, we're thwarting the energy of the conversation and everybody can pick it up.
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Well, even the idea that we've labeled them our adversary, that's already a thing, right? Coming in with this idea that they're our adversaries.
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Definitely. And what it makes me feel is also it's like, you know, for the person who's sitting here and listening to this conversation, you know, asking yourself, have you ever changed your mind about something, right? Every single one of us has changed our mind about something, right? Are there people in your life that you really look at it? It could be your kids, you know, a piano teacher.
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It could be their high school soccer coach, somebody that you may not know their full details, but you know that they feel very differently about you, about certain subjects. It could be an old friend from college, whatever. And you still have that person in your life and you still care about them, right?
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Just because somebody has a belief about something, a view on something doesn't discard anything. All these other aspects that are there.
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And you see this the most when, if you had the fortunate ability to travel to other countries, there's plenty of other countries where people have very different views about women's rights or this component or that component, but they're being maybe hospitable to you in the moment. They're taking care of you. They're doing this. And people often travel and they say, wow, what a lovely experience.
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You know, culture, we are filled in our life with people who have difference of opinions with us. How fragile do we have to become as a human being to feel that that person's belief, which is a thought, you can't even physically hold it, is so strong that it makes us not have equanimity in our own heart about stuff. Right.
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It's like, I want to feel so content, even if I disagree with somebody that I can just still see them for who they are and what they're, you know, contributing to this world or even be civil and say, okay, great. You and I don't have the same views on things. I'm going to be civil about this situation. It just makes us much more resilient for everything that we're dealing with in life.
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And I generally, to build on that, as we're winding down here, I generally feel that your behavior, yours, mine, anybody who's listening,
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if we're just hyper judgmental on the world a group of people an industry a situation whatever's there we're not willing to have the layers of conversations that are there that's a good indication of how you are with yourself you know the most judgmental people i know are not the happiest people i know in fact the happiest people i know even if they have very strong opinions about things it's not like they're zenned out buddhist monks
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even if they have very strong opinions about things, they don't operate in the world with this sledgehammer of constant outward judgment on situations and things that are there. There's a little bit more of a recognition of the layers that are there. And that's generally how they would approach themselves.
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Yeah. When I was reading your book and going through it in preparation of the interview, I thought like either you kick your ass or life will kick your ass and life will still kick your ass, but you'll be much more prepared for it if you're adopting this good stress in your life, right? Things will happen.
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We've just gotten through this period, depending on when this interview is released, of some really horrific fires in LA. Multiple of our friends have lost their homes, all their possessions, other stuff. There's a lot that is going on in life that we will not be able to know and that will catch us sometimes off guard.
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But the more that we're exhibiting ourselves and dabbling and dipping into these good stressors, no matter how tough they are, like a ice bath or a cold plunge, I truly feel that it makes us more resilient for anything that there is to come.
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A lot of money.
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Well, Jeff, I super appreciate you coming on the podcast and talking about the beauty of and the joy and the strength that comes into our life. When we step into a little bit of like that anti-fragileness by embracing good stress, uh, by the time this podcast is out, people can order pre-order the book. Yeah. Good stress. We'll have the link to it in the show notes below.
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Anything else you want to say about the book before I also ask you about everything else you're up to commune, anything else you want to plug?
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Well, the link is in the show notes. Check it out, goodstress.com. Jeff, thanks for coming on the podcast, brother.
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Give us an idea. What was your life like before that? What got you into the mess in the first place? Because I've known you for a long time. I generally have thought of you as being somebody fairly healthy. When we look at the larger population, you're in California. I think even one point in time, you had a very healthy restaurant and cafe, right?
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And what about your diet at the time? Your diet, your life, some of the things that kind of contributed to, again, a lot of the things that a lot of people are dealing with. Like what was going on?
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Lindsay, welcome to the podcast. I want to read you a pretty wild headline, an article from MSNBC from 2023. Okay, bring it on. Title, an 85-year Harvard study found the number one thing that makes us happy in life And it helps us live longer. So then the article continues. I'm going to read this and I want to get your reaction to this.
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So for anybody who's finding themselves in that situation that, hey, listen, I'm not in a bad relationship.
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It could be better. But there's some disconnection. We're not really there. Yeah. What is your suggestion and recommendation for them? How do they start from this moment here?
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Quick question.
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Do you have your blue light blocking glasses on as well?
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Okay. Back to the story. Back to the rituals. I'll picture you guys in bed. It's a nightly thing. You're standing there. You have the iPad. Yep. Does he ever struggle to stay up during that time?
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You feel it, but you're not sure exactly.
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I had a friend recently who had his second kid and was noticing that there was the natural separation of the things that would be there in his relationship. And you're exhausted on top of it. And you're exhausted and other things. And they were like, okay, you know what? We're going to do date nights. Now that things are a little bit more settled, we're going to do date nights. Yep.
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And so they would get to date night on like a Thursday or a Friday. They'd be getting there. They're kind of getting ready. They're both tired a little bit. They get to the restaurant and they're just like, this doesn't work for us, right? So what did they do? It was great when we didn't have kids and we weren't completely exhausted.
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They said, what actually, they asked themselves, you were in their head. They asked themselves this question. Yep. What actually, where did we connect the most? Where did we actually find joy? And they realized where they found joy and they found a sense of deep intimacy was they actually loved having a Sunday morning date day.
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Yes. And what they did was they said, what do we love to do together? They're both into fitness. So they said, we would go to a coffee shop together. We'd have coffee, maybe a small bite to eat. Then we would go and do a fitness class together. We would sweat together.
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And he's like, the feeling that we would both have, just seeing each other working hard, sweating, and like the appreciation of- Seeing each other from across the room. Seeing each other across the room.
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Separately, but together. Yep. seeing each other from afar, seeing how lucky they were to like be with each other, admiring each other's bodies and their work ethic and other things. And they would be done and then they would go and have a brunch together. And so they changed their nanny situation instead of like a date night to a date day.
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And just the eroticism that came from that time and connection. Super sexy, right? Right. And it just, you know, he was opening up and sharing like they... They actually felt that deeper connection just by connecting on the things that they love to do. It's so simple.
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Hey, I'm all about ice cream. If you tolerate dairy, go to town. Maybe just make a grass-fed dairy when you can. Yeah, of course.
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Can I hand you the book? And I'm on the section called Routine, Rituals, Hobbies, and Travel. And just again, for everybody listening, the reason that this book is truly like a workbook, super practical, is that you have 250 questions that are examples inside of here, and you can use them as inspiration to also create your own questions.
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And these can be questions that you can use in the beginning of getting to know somebody, as Yasmin and I did, many of these types of questions inside of here, or even somebody that you've been in a relationship with for a long time. Yeah.
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Well, you know, just a quick thing before we go into our questions here. The book is out.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Such a beautiful cover. And subtitle, A Love Story, Maybe Yours, in 250 questions. And that... Key that the end of that subtitle, 250 questions. Anybody who's been a fan of this podcast and who's been listening along my journey knows that I'm a huge fan of asking questions to bring us closer. I have a men's group where every week we meet on Thursdays. We call it man morning Thursday.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah. That's powerful. Yeah. I'd love to have you have a couple more than I have something that I also that I want to share to that.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah. You know, there's another one that I wrote down. I wrote down the first one that you had. Do you need alone time? And if so, how much? One that I like that came up for us recently, my wife and I, is that, you know, we both work really hard. I have my podcast. I have my business that I'm building. My wife also has a podcast as well and has her businesses that she's building.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Oh, thank you. I just love her. I feel the same way. So when we go on vacation, so this question is, what does your ideal vacation look like? Adventure, relaxation, cultural immersion.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
One of the things that we were finding is we were having, um, we found this out like a couple of years ago, we were having a mismatch often in vacation where even like the experience of like, Hey, we're doing this thing that we expect to be really fun. But I'm doing things for you that I expect that you will like, and you're doing things for me that you expect what I like.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
But what does actually drive joy? Because a vacation should feel rejuvenating. It shouldn't feel like you felt like, man, we just blew all this money that we both worked very hard on, on something that we thought the other person would like. Like this trip is more for you. This trip is more for me. But we never sat down and asked the person, what actually makes you happy on vacation?
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
We've been doing it for 10 years.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
What drives joy?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah, totally. And it turned out that those things were simpler. They were simpler items. It wasn't the fancy restaurant. In many moments, it wasn't even like we're not really both big fans of sightseeing. on vacation. We actually just like to wander and walk around, eat good food and kind of sleep in, but do that in a new location where we're seeing new things.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yes, you have. We've been friends for a long time. And we kick it off with a person who's a captain who asks a question. And the question is designed to create a sense of intimacy and opening, especially for men who don't always open up or aren't always told that they can open up about real stuff that they're dealing with in life. And it's been one of the most favorite things that I've had.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
We don't want to do a lot of these other stuff that we were putting all this emphasis on that was causing- Just to tick a box off, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Or even because you think that the other person might want to do it. Hey, I'm doing this for you. And that happens a lot in relationships. People are like, I'm doing this for you. Another person being like, I never asked you to do that for me. Why don't we have an actual conversation about what actually is meaningful to me? And I want to hear what's meaningful for you.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Are you a needy sick or are you like all power through sick?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Okay.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
It's usually the stereotype that the guy is the needy one in the relationship when they get sick. I'm happy to break that mold. My wife doesn't even know half the time if I'm sick. I rarely get sick. She's like, are you sick? I'm like, I don't feel the best, but I'm good.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah, we could dig into it. We'll get my therapist, which I don't have one, but I'll find one. One thing that this brought up for me is, and I'll share a little bit about how my wife and I are written about in the book that you included us. You interviewed us both in person and on Zoom.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
One of the first things, and I think I've mentioned this once in the podcast, is that meeting Yasmin when I was at the age of 35-ish and she was just about to turn 30. We were both at a place in our life where we had been in a long-term relationship prior to that, where we thought it might be moving forward, or maybe in her case, she was unsure.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And it brought us to the situation where it was like, hey, we really want to build our life with somebody before we knew each other. Like we're in that place of life where we're- Marriage-minded, right, is what we often say in the Indian culture. We want to be more intentional with the next person that we met.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And so very early on, and you write about this in the book, I think it was like our fourth, fifth date, somewhere around there, I threw out a pretty wild idea to her. You know, I was obviously very attracted to her. She's a stunning and beautiful person.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
We were connecting on all other elements, super driven.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah, incredibly. And just... I asked her what her favorite book was, and she's talking about Eckhart Tolle and completely vibing on my length. And I said, I had a crazy idea. I felt that the next time I'm serious about wanting to get to know somebody, and I could totally see you being somebody, it's a kind of a vulnerable thing to say,
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I could see you being the type of person that I want to build a life with, right? I'm not trying to Romeo you, Casanova you right now and tell you like I'm ready to marry you. But no, like I'm serious about wanting to get to know you. Like I could see us like building a life together.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Another area, which coming back to this book, is it's been a huge foundation of me and my wife's relationship. And we're honored to have a little, cameo in the book.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I felt that when I felt that way, that I would ask the person, would they be open to something that might scare the shit out of you? But would you be open to like a pre-pre-marital counseling in a way? Like, let's go talk to somebody. Because we didn't have your book at the time.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah. And she said, yes. I thought that's an amazing idea. Huge. And look, the risk is that could have totally been scary for somebody else. That's totally fine. And who knows how we would have navigated that. I think it's easy to say, oh, if they said no, maybe they're not your person. No, if they said no, that just means that they are not into it right now. That doesn't mean anything.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I think the only thing that I meant to that, I 100% agree. Thank you for that. Would be like a qualified no. Like, hey.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
That's an amazing thing. Yep. Right? I mean, we were very lucky. We were set up by friends. Yep. right? People that we both knew for a while. And they literally like at a dinner party, dragged us together. They asked me like, Oh, we should all go on a double date one time. Like bring your girlfriend. I said, Hey, I'm not, I haven't been in a relationship for a little while.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I kind of took a break from dating, you know, just to kind of work on myself and do some things that I want to do and focus on my stuff. But I jokingly said, cause I never thought I'd be set up by somebody or it's often like the well-meaning friend. And you have to say like, Oh, I'm not super drawn to them. You know, I don't really feel a spark that's there.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And, you know, I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. But they were like, what about Yasmin? And she was one of the co-hosts of the dinner. Shout out to our friends Shiza and Amir. They have an amazing company called Our Place. They started. I'm a huge fan. And they literally brought us together. And they both really like qualified.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Well, I don't talk a lot about my relationship with my wife here besides shouting out, you know, and talking about how amazing she is and some of the health protocols she tries.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Like, hey, we're intentionally like really thinking like you guys would connect. So there was a lot of... You know, there was a lot of positive energy that was already showing us that we were a match in many elements.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Well, the punchline of what I was going to get to is when we actually went in and we met with this therapist here in Los Angeles, Michael Latimer, super sweet guy. He said, you know, what brings you guys in today? I want to hear from your own words. I saw your intake and everything, but I want to hear from you. And I said, you know, well, it's kind of a
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
super early for us, but we're both very serious about wanting to build a life and we can both see each other as being that partner to be able to do it. But like real talk, like we haven't even said I love you to each other. Like it's so early for us.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
But we want to kind of know, like we want to be guided a little bit. And here's what he said that I want everybody to listen to. And this fits right into your book. He paused. He really like took it in. He said, I wish more people out there would have the courage to do this. The world would be a completely different place. And that's not to pat ourselves on the back.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
But if you're interested and you're curious and been following this podcast since it launched in 2018, we're going to share some more details about three things in particular that my wife and I do to build connection and to build connection romance, but also within the standpoint of romance is not just this big love story. It's also this practical thing that you do on a regular basis.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
It's that when you care about somebody and you also know that you're showing up and you want to present the version of you and the life that you want to live, you also care enough about somebody that you don't, if you're not for them, you're not their cup of tea. You don't want to waste their time.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And also too, you want to share with them honestly about stuff that works for you, stuff that doesn't work for you, or you want to understand where they're coming from.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Oh yeah. It was incredible. I mean, I'm not going to sugarcoat it. It was a very, I have a question for you about this and I'll come back to later. I was definitely leading. I'm not going to lie and say like both of us, like she was game. But that's all it takes.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And I do think, and this might be a controversial take, I do think it takes one person has to take that initial step.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Right? I have never found a situation where both people are ready for anybody who's listening is like, I wish the other person would do it. Well, if you're listening to this podcast and you're ready to read this book, maybe that person is you. Maybe they're wishing that you would do it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah. So it was scary for Yasmin, but at the end of it, there would always be this connection, this deepening. And just the fact that I was willing to go through the process, it was this feeling of, wow, like I'm really feeling like who this guy is.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And the fact that she could do something uncomfortable and we could go to these sessions early on, where we had about four or five sessions that were there.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Totally. It made a huge difference for us and it brought up so many great things that became the foundation of what we're up to.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I have no, I'm not an expert, but I will temporarily put that hat on.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
So backstory in 1938, Harvard researchers embarked on a decades long study to find out what actually makes us happy in life. The researchers gathered health records from 725 participants from all over the world and asked detailed questions about their lives at two year intervals.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Let's talk a little bit origin story for this book in particular. You kind of hinted at it a little bit earlier that you said that if you've been that friend who's everybody else's friend is getting married and you're kind of feeling the pressure and you're thinking and you're bringing that into something and you're navigating your own relationships.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
You were kind of doing a little bit of a peek of part of your story. That's not your whole story, but that was part of the story that was there. And the through line of the book is the connection of you and your now husband, Gavin.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I mean, that's, that's, we get married. It's the past. Who you refer to as the Brit in the beginning of the book.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And you guys met on a temporary project that was happening. And he was in town. He was. He was in New York. And then I'll let you take the story from here. You guys went on a date or two. And I think it was on your second date. He basically gets a call that he's got to go back to London.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Bye-bye. Take us from there.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Well, I want to start off with one thing because I love to deliver value right away. You know, one of the core through lines of this book is that communication is And practicing communication is a key part of what brings anybody together.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
We really... And how strongly did you feel like you liked him at the time? For what you knew, for what you were, how strongly did you feel like you liked him?
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
So whether you're single, whether you're in a relationship, whether you want to use some of these questions, even to connect with your kids, your coworker, well, some of them are not appropriate for coworkers. We'll get to that in a second.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
But anybody in your life that you care of, that the questions are appropriate for that relationship, communication and practicing that communication is what allows for that deepening of the relationship. And I like to talk about the opposite of things. To me, the opposite is, for a lot of people, especially the Disneyfication of romantic relationships, is that it'll just happen.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
It's beautiful. You know, that idea of asking, connecting and what it brings up. There's so many beautiful and practical examples inside of the book of how that foundationally changes the lives of couples.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
One of the ways that it's changed my life with my wife is that I learned very early on a lot of what made her feel safe in this world and also made me feel like we were living a big life together. And not being so reactionary to having a big family on her side, a big family on my side, her being super busy, other things where you just sort of feel like you're kind of in the thick of life.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And we don't even have kids yet. And there's days where you just feel like, am I living life or is life living me? Like what's going on? a huge part of it was, okay, what if we just took an hour, two hours? Now, we may not have this in the future. I get it, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
When we have kids in the future, we might not have that full time, but even if it's 30 minutes at that time, and we sat down, and typically for us, it's on Sundays, sometimes on Thursdays, And we make it fun. We usually go to a cafe together and we'll bring our computers and we'll go through our calendar together. And we'll say, what are the important things for us, both individually and together?
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And we'll look at the next two weeks, our rolling commitments. And then at least every other month or once a month, we'll do a bigger planning session where we'll say, okay, when is our pop out? what is our pop-out moment separate from maybe our regular date night where we really have an opportunity to like connect on a weekend or have gratitude for each other, whatever it might be.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And the thing about those planning sessions is having something on the calendar on a regular basis, going back to this idea of alone time, like I really appreciate my alone time and my together time, but having my routine, especially earlier in the morning and Yasmin appreciates her alone time as well, too.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I found that when we had stuff regularly on the calendar, we both were so much more chill about each other's schedule and how each other wanted to live and play in that schedule. Cause we know we have that time to reconnect. And also going back to the practicalities as we are quote unquote,
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Talk to us about why that mentality is so toxic.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
you know, an older couple than a lot of our friends who got married in their, you know, late twenties, early thirties that were there. We also have, um, Older parents, family members, people that we're responsible for. We have, we're both very close to them. So how do we see the people that we care about in our life? When are we going to go see her mom? When are we going to see her dad?
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
When are we going to drive down to San Diego to see my sisters who I'm super close with? And so much of the friction of small things that when we were getting together, we would kind of fight about our schedules or this happening at this time. So much of that went away when we made that our ritual happen. And realize that that was actually super meaningful to the both of us.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
So that was one example that I want to share that you actually wrote a little bit about.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
So much what I'm looking for in relationship that's a driving force for me is like, how do we find simple things that are adding a significant amount of joy that also by the nature of just life, it's so overlooked through the busyness of it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
You know, what it makes me think about, I pulled this quote from your book, and it's on the topic of maintenance, right? And how, especially for, again, my audience, a lot of people that are in relationships right now, and you might be listening to some of this and thinking, You know, this is something that I want to bring to my life. And this quote goes right to it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
You say, you have to take continuing education for almost any trade you practice. And yet we don't have continuing education for marriage. And that may be one of the most important business partnerships that we undertake. And what it comes up for me is that, again, these things don't just happen. It's the regular practice of them. And if you haven't been in practice, guess what? That's okay.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
You just now bring it into practice. But how do you know what to give love and attention to? It starts with these questions.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah, it's super important. You know, one of the things that showed up for us when Yasmin and I were asking a lot of these questions, again, this is the book that I wish that I had for ourselves and that we could hand. And now I bought a bunch of copies so I could actually hand them out to all my friends, especially the ones that are just starting budding relationships that are there.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
One of the things that were there, there's a question in the book that talks about examples. I didn't pull it exactly, but it's like, what kind of examples did you have around you? It's talking about your relationship of your parents or examples of other people in love.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah. And sorry, babe, if I'm putting you on blast here, but I've gotten permission to talk about all this stuff. One of the things that actually showed up for us early on, and we laugh about it now, and I have my own versions of this, right? So this is not me just talking about my wife. I'll come up with some examples for me too.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
One of the ones that came up for my wife early on is I realized like, if we had a little friction point, which is natural, in fact, some of the you know, data that's out there on relationships is that if you don't fight, that's a sign.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Right, right. And there's a lot of couples that feel like they're perpetually roommates and they don't fight and they're afraid of each other a little bit and that drives disconnection, right? No judgment, but that happens often. So in our situation, we'd have a little tussle about something, right? And then it'd be now time to repair. I feel very lucky. I have, you know,
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
grew up with examples around me of my parents who had, it was so rare at the time, it was called a love marriage in a world of Indian and Hindu tradition where most people have arranged marriages. Some beautiful aspects to both, obviously. And I would see my parents, especially my dad, I would see him say sorry about stuff and like in an empathetic and a meaningful way.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And what did that look like? And he wouldn't just do it with my mom. He would do it with us as kids if there was a situation that would happen. He would do it with other family members. You know, even one time I would go and intern at his office when I was younger and just kind of help out a little bit. I saw him say it one time to like a coworker that was there. Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And I realized I had all these examples of people without even knowing it that had told me kind of, how do you say sorry the right way?
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
It's super rare, super, super, super, super rare. And my wife opened up and it's like, you know what? I love my parents. I love all the people around me. But I also don't think I was either I didn't see those examples or I wasn't paying attention. Right. So this is no knock on, you know, her parents.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
You know, last year, our most popular interview that we had was with a world expert on narcissism. I believe that. It completely shocked me because that's not a topic we talk about. But the reason we talked about it is because... And we talked about this 85-year running study. We said, okay, if the key to happiness...
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I wasn't paying attention to that process of like, what does it look like to say sorry to somebody?
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah. And the point of this is that us simply having a conversation about this, and again, you have some questions in the book that sort of parallel this conversation. Now I have so much more empathy when it's tougher for her to say sorry. In fact, we now developed a process. It's a three-step process. Tell me. I love it. I do it too because there's times where I don't say sorry quick enough.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And I said, okay, nobody taught you how to say sorry. We're going to come up with our own three-step process of what it looks like for us to repair. We call it repair, right? So I do something stupid. I'm like, she's like, babe, that like totally hurt my feelings. Why would you say it that way? I said, you know what, babe? I go to her, step one is physical touch.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Before you say anything, because we often use words to hide behind things, right? So first step is physical touch. So if we are not on the phone and we're there in person, go to the person, hold their hand, put, you know, hug them, whatever it might be, right? um, actually, sorry, sorry. Step one is soften. Okay. Soften step two, right? So take a breath. Yeah. Soften. Okay.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Cause you can definitely hug somebody and be a little bit disgruntled in the process. I'm sorry. So step one is soften. Okay. So just shake it out a little bit. Step two is physical touch, connect with each other, hug the person, hold their hand. It just anything that you feel comfortable with that moment. If you are charged yourself. And all you want to do is hold my pinky, hold my pinky, right?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Doesn't matter. Right. And then lastly, step three is look them in the eye and say, babe, sweetie, whatever it is, I'm sorry. And actually we go through that process on a regular basis. And it's funny. My wife has even said that she's been sharing this with her other friends. I I love this.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
The same challenge of like, well, I actually didn't ever see somebody saying sorry on a regular basis and emulate that process. And the point that I'm making here is most important, more important than our three-step process, which steal that, take with it, run with it, that's there, is... I just have so much understanding of where she's coming from.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And so I don't have the backlash, which you often see in relationships. I'm sure you see it. I've done it before. You've done it before is one person's a little bit hardened. So the other person is like now takes it up a notch and it's like, oh, you're not going to say story. Well, I'm dealing with this. Another person's like, oh, you're dealing with that. And I'm dealing with that.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And now you're spiraling downwards. What we want is we want to spiral upwards. And together. And together. We want to spiral upwards together. But the only way that happens is if we actually have a sense of empathy for each other.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And when you ask these questions and you understand where somebody's coming from, just like if somebody had been in a really bad car accident and then they came home and dinner wasn't ready. You would not even be worrying about dinner. You'd be like, how do I focus on you?
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
and true connection and joy in life is healthy relationships, then that means that the toxic people that we surround ourselves in life with and chronically surround ourselves in life with, some people might be married to that person and be in a situation where they don't feel that they can leave. Those take years from our life. And she said, it's the most
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
In that way, so many people have all these traumas that they've been kind of holding on to baggage-wise that they've never talked about. Maybe they've never even told a therapist. And if we understand it, we can approach it with a level of gentleness and help kind of usher them into a new way of seeing and interacting with the world.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
under talked about aspect that's damaging our health. And it was a beautiful episode. I bet. The only challenge was, and that's my hope for our audience is that we can continue the challenge, is that we didn't give, okay, we talked a lot about what was bad, who to avoid, how to identify a narcissist, the true toll that it takes on your life, but we didn't give hope for the next aspect.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Makes sense. Makes sense.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
So on a practical level, let's say something comes up and sometimes an argument needs multiple conversations. So, you know, work itself out. Yep. So on a practical level, does that look like one of you asking for a break? Like, Hey, look, let's pick this up a little bit later on. What does that look like on a practical level? If we were seeing you guys, you know, arguing a movie.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Are you familiar with like some of the work in the space of like male-female dynamics in relationships? So like the masculine and the feminine and how there's, you know, what brings a lot of people together is polarity, even in like same-sex relationships.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
You know, there's usually somebody that has a lot more, maybe shows up more masculine in certain ways and doesn't have to always be the same person, but like more masculine, this person shows up more feminine, right?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
One of the things that I feel as somebody who is also a little bit verbal and wants to talk things out is I feel like a lot of my relationships being – trying to be like a more like empathetic guy who's like super understanding of women, having two sisters. I'd be like, oh, yeah, like I always want to like talk it out. Let's talk. Let's talk.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I think I actually made things a lot worse by being the masculine who was always there to talk. Instead, I often notice with my wife right now, even if there's something that needs to be resolved, if I just go and I hold her and I let her know, like, I'm here, I'm not going anywhere.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And that doesn't mean that we've resolved this specific thing, but there's a whole shift in her nervous system in terms of how we will argue or talk about whatever it is that we're having friction about. but I haven't over-participated in the head verbal part of it. And that can sound a little dismissive.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I'm sure even some people listening, it could sound sexist, but it's a lived experience for me is that sometimes as a guy, when you're there, really being the container to be able to hear, but also not everything is resolved through words. Sometimes it's the person knowing and everybody's different. That's why you got to talk about it, the love languages.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And that's really what this conversation is, is how do you use conversations? We're all going to meet so many people in our life, people being married again,
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Totally, totally. And also too, sometimes people don't feel like they're ready to talk about it yet because they're in the energy of it. And just some sense of them knowing that you're still there. Mm-hmm. That completely shapes how you guys talk about it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah, you don't know unless you ask. All right, I want to go to another category. Okay. And I want you to pull some questions from this category. And this, again, for people who have been in- This is like questions roulette.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Questions roulette. It's for people who have been in a relationship for some time, whether you have kids, whether you don't have kids, everybody's gone through a period where on the intimacy and sex and the connection on the physical and the romantic level feels like there's something that's there that's a blockage.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And what often happens, and one of the people that you had that you interviewed as part of the book is Emily Morsey.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Sex with Emily. She's been on this podcast. She's fantastic. She's been fantastic. What were one of the key insights that she shared that you included inside of this book on that topic? For anybody who's thinking... That great sex just happens. Great physical chemistry just happens. And if it's not there, then it's just not there.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
people deepening a relationship that maybe has fallen off track a little bit, which that's the number one person I've been recommending this book to is people who are actually already in a relationship who need a reconnectioning, a rekindling, but we need a roadmap and we need tools to be able to do that. That's what I see this book is doing.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
You know, what were some of the insights she shared with you while I pull up to the questions?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
contrary to what you might think audience it's not career achievement it's not money it's not exercise or a healthy diet although i'm a fan of those things the most consistent finding over this 85 year harvard study one of the longest running studies in the history of america and the world
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Yeah. Okay. On the topic of talking about it, you have a whole category of questions, right? When you think about couples that have been together for a while and there's the natural ebb and flow of how, and every couple's different, everybody's sense of yearning for intimate. Well, everybody wants intimacy generally, but everybody's yearning for maybe sex on a physical level might be different.
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What are some questions that might come up to you that could be something that couples could be thinking about? asking, you know, over a glass of wine and on date night and just using it as an opportunity to just bring people closer together.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah, absolutely. And it could even be that so much of the erotic for the feminine is also to what happens before the bedroom.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
You were talking about Emily, and we both agree she's fantastic. One of the best pieces of advice that she talked about when she was on the podcast last time was talking about how for couples that have been together for a while, one of the biggest hacks to improve your sex life is to schedule sex.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And people hear that, especially young couples, and they think, schedule sex? That's so not sexy. That's so not what I wanted in life that my marriage or relationship would end up to this point where we're scheduling it. And then I saw a random video that somebody made. I got to find out who made this video, but I'll share the point. They were saying if the idea of scheduling sex...
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sounds crazy to you. Think about the time that whenever you were in your, maybe even your current relationship, when you're in the early days, you knew kind of when you guys were going to be intimate, even if you weren't living together, you were dating and you were further along and you thought, okay, this feels like a night that we're going to be that that's where the relationship is. We're
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
You actually used to schedule sex. You get ready. You have date night. You knew that something was happening. You'd both be flirtatious with each other. There'd be buildup to the moment. So this whole idea that, oh, that was just spontaneous. You'd wear nice underwear because you know you're going to be at their house. You might groom in different ways. So that is scheduling sex.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And those were some of the most erotic moments that you can think of in the earlier part of the relationship. Why wouldn't we think that that same idea would be there? And within the context of all of life's demands, kids, business, other stuff, the idea that any random moment, kind of like the lottery, right, that you would just be ready to have sex right now. Great.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Some couples have a high sex drive and they might be in that position. And often people are in the middle. That's why it's the average. That them mentally preparing that this is something that's there. And also too, the other layer that I'd add into that is that sometimes it's like, hey, tonight is for me. And then the next time is for you. What is that person like? What are they...
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
What do they enjoy? What makes them feel alive and erotic? Because a huge part of besides physical connection coming from there, I truly believe that creative energy, both for the masculine and the feminine comes from being in your erotic.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And when we don't have that access to our life, not that it only has to come through physical sex and intimacy with your partner, you can get it through other ways, but that is one big part of it. If you desire it, that makes you want to show up stronger in business, in this aspect and, you know, go for your goals and dreams.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I feel like there's a reason why we have, you know, according to the Indian culture, there's a reason why we have a big chakra. That's our root chakra for men and women. You know, it's part of our life force that's there.
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Most people don't.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah, you're creating intimacy together. It's the practice.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah. So for somebody who's listening now and thinks like, okay, hey, that's a big step. right? Like what would be some possible routines that they could put on and try on with their partner that might be ways to take that step towards a greater intimacy? What are some examples that you've seen?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Take a bath together.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
You know, I truly believe that we all have this innate ability to not only ask these questions, but we have the desire to want to ask a lot of these questions. We want to be more connected to our partner, our potential partner. Sometimes people don't know what to ask. They don't know what to ask. That's one part of it. They don't know that you can ask. Yes.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Because I've been sharing some of these questions, photographing them, sending it to friends because the book wasn't out yet, even though I knew I was going to buy a bunch of copies for all my friends. Sneaky, sneaky. And they're like, I didn't know that I could ask that. I didn't know that that was a question. You don't know what's possible.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Until sometimes somebody shows it, especially many people haven't had it demonstrated. Right. But I feel like we all have that innate desire to want to do that. And this may seem like a little bit of a tangent, but I have a dear friend of mine that lives here in Los Angeles, and she was a couples therapist for years.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
No, no. We have too many questions.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And sometimes, you know, as you can imagine, a lot of couples that came to her came in the worst moments of their life. infidelity, this situation, that situation, major ruptures, breakage, somebody feeling for resentment for years. And then finally saying I'm done. Right. And then she gets the 911 emergency call of like, Hey, can you help us repair? And it's years of stuff.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And over a period of time, as she started to pay attention to the literature around, um, The emerging therapeutic uses of psychedelics, in particular MDMA. Again, this may sound like a tangent, but I'm going somewhere with this.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
She got MAPS certified, which is the official organization that's been contributing a lot of this research on MAPS. on people that have very traumatic situations, soldiers, other stuff, and how MDMA in particular has this incredible therapeutic effect for people to reprocess and recontextualize the trauma that they experience. And not only that, it has a lasting change.
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Again, not federally approved right now. Certain states, it's there. And then this whole underground movement, but a lot of people on the left and the right politically that are all fighting for, hey, in a therapeutic setting with the right practitioner controlled, et cetera, this could be a huge tool.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Anyways, being part of this underground network of individuals, she started working with couples. that were open to this, that trusted her and knowing that she had gone through her training and everything. And she would use MDMA, again, in a clinical setting to basically allow for more of this connection and really for the surface ego that we all have.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I see you a particular way because we've been together forever and I can't see past that. What would happen is being on, and I've interviewed a lot of the experts and the researchers that are in this space, when the default neural network would get quiet, something powerful would show up.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And what would show up is that people were willing to ask these most basic questions and they were willing to answer it and they were willing to see themselves in a new light. Now, my hope, and we've chatted about this on previous episodes, is that I hope that continues to get more research and we see what opportunity it has.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
But what it really brought up for me inside of this conversation here is that So much of what gets in the way of intimacy is the idea that we either can't ask a question, we don't know that a question is possible, or we have all this baggage and reasons for why I'm not going to ask this question.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And as soon as you can take just one toe and dip it in the water outside of that, starting small in some of these ways that you've mentioned, and have the courage, because sometimes it does take a little bit of courage.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
To start off. And ask that question, what you're doing is you're stepping beyond that default neural network, maybe that years of your mother's voice in your head or your dad's voice or somebody else or the expectations of what a relationship should be or the blame that you have for yourself or your partner or the guilt that you have for yourself or whatever it might be.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
You're taking a little toe, you're stepping beyond that and you're creating an opening. And creating an opening is a very vulnerable thing to do. But the question isn't, is it going to be challenging? The question isn't, does it take courage? The question is, is it worth it?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And I think most people that are listening today would feel that the person that they're with, and most people probably listening today don't feel like they're in a bad relationship. If you would truly ask them, is it worth it? To have more joy, connection, intimacy in your life by taking a little bit of courage, picking up this book, asking some of these questions.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I think most people would say, yes, it is worth it, even though I'm scared. And I think that that is one of the biggest takeaways that I'd like to have people walk away from this conversation.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Well, Lindsay, this has been fantastic. I'm so glad we got to do this in person. Me too. And go on all the different zigzags that a long format podcast allows for. As we're concluding here, I'm just going to hand it back to you. For the folks that are listening today, again, I would say that the typical demographic probably listening to this podcast episode is largely my female demographic.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Although shout out to all the men that are out there that I've texted this episode to. Yes, all of you. And, you know, they're probably around, you know, somewhere between the age of 40 to 60, maybe even 70 years old. They're in a relationship. Yep. And there's parts of them that feel like, you know what? I would like to have a little bit more that's there.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
What do you feel are, before we get into your story and we talk about some of these sample questions, what are some of the worst things that you see happening, whether somebody is about to start a relationship or whether somebody's in a relationship, which I imagine a lot of my audience would relate to the latter. They're in a relationship right now.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
What are the final words that you want to leave them with?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I love that. And so a couple of practical questions on your answer that you just gave. You know, there's all these different categories, right, of questions that are there. Relationships, sex, sexuality, careers, work-life balance, money and finances. People can jump around. And go to any category.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
What if your partner is not on board?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
And if it maybe really gets to that stage, people can bring in help.
Dhru Purohit Show
Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
As you were putting this together and you have so many friends that you've been sharing.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Oh, no, I'm smiling because I'm so happy for you. And I'm just imagining you over the years, even before this book was a book, I've seen you have these conversations with people. I've seen you ask these questions or provide these questions for folks. What is an area that you see is like a category question or a particular question that has brought a lot of like fun to people?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
What are some of the worst and most damaging things people are doing, bad habits, et cetera, communication-wise that are totally wrecking their relationship and their sense of extracting joy from life? This is pretty crazy, but did you know, based on the latest research, that it's estimated we're eating and drinking about a credit card's worth of plastic each week? Yes, you heard that right.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I'm not, there's a lot of fun questions in here.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
But I think that sometimes people think 250 questions, this, that, money and finances, like this whole thing is like super serious.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
But there's a lot of fun inside of it as well. Yeah. There's a lot of playfulness. There's a lot of joy that's there. What are some of those examples? Anything come to mind?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I'm an over guy. Oh, thank God. Because if you look at the original patent for toilet paper, let's have our video team slice this in. The original patent for toilet paper is an...
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And it's not even really so much about the answer. It's like, what does that tell you about somebody?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
We learned that firsthand. My wife and I, when we moved in, literally like three weeks later, the pandemic happened. And already my wife is more, not that I'm messy, but she's definitely grew up in a household. Shout out to her parents. That was a lot stricter on what the definition of cleanliness was.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I grew up in a clean household too, but then the pandemic happened and the world is upside down. And you're like, what the hell?
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
Yeah. Yeah. And it was so funny. Shout out to my wife's mom, Nilou. She had later told us, because we delayed, I had already a plan that I wanted to propose to her that year before the pandemic happened. And then when we're in the midst of the pandemic and you don't know what's going on and we're like, okay, can we even have a wedding? I'm thinking about the timeline and other stuff.
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And our parents haven't even met yet because it was so early for us and her dad lived on the other side of the... I think my parents had met her mom, but our families really haven't even met. So I delayed the engagement. And so her mom had later told her, she was like, I was really nervous because during COVID, all these couples were forced to be together 24 hours without sort of going anywhere.
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And I was I wasn't sure if you guys were going to make it or not, because I knew that, you know, Drew's timeline for wanting to propose to you. And then it didn't happen. I'm like, oh, my gosh, are these guys are not going to make it? Yeah. And it only had gotten delayed for some other things.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
But that was funny because we definitely butted some heads a little bit and had to dig in deep on our definition of of cleanliness so that we can maintain our sanity during a crazy time.
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Let's say that again.
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So living together before is good or bad? Living is not good.
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How? That's great. Lindsay, this has been fantastic. The book is out there. We have the link in the show notes. And if you're looking on YouTube, here it is as well. Click the link in the show notes. Romances and Practicalities, A Love Story. Maybe yours in 250 questions. You're on all the socials.
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DM you, tell you your favorite question from the book.
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Slip in the DMs. Share your favorite questions, share your love story, share any insights that you've had on this podcast. We'll link to your social channels below. Lindsay, this has been fantastic. Thank you. It's been an honor to be included in the book in a tiny way. I'm super appreciative of your friendship and I'm just so proud of what you're bringing to the world.
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Are You Sabotaging Your Romantic Relationships? What You Need to Know to Build the Marriage and Relationship of Your Dreams with Lindsay Roth
I couldn't think of a topic that, you know, if you look at the current state of romance in today's day and age, People are largely unhappy with the landscape of many aspects of it. So anything that could bring more intentionality for those people that do have that moment of meeting, and there could be something that could brew from there, but they didn't have the tools to deepen that connection.
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It makes me very sad because I know actually many people that met and they could have kind of made things work out and they could have been a great couple that was there, but they didn't have the roadmap, the tools, or even the other thing, which is people who have been amazing and they've let sort of entropy take over the relationship and they just need a little bit of guidance. Lean into that.
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Don't step back from it. Thank you for being on the podcast.
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The most consistent finding they learned was positive relationships keep us happier, healthier, and help us live longer, period. What do you have to say about that?
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So here's another question behind the question is, what do you think drives that, that need that we have to want to fall in love with a story or a projection instead of accepting somebody for who they are and really listening to how they're coming across?
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Going back to people that are in relationships, you know, one thing that a lot of people find themselves in and they often struggle with, I don't know exactly how I got here.
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Yeah. And it's almost like the first feeling that I see is there feels like disconnection. There feels like separation. And then you come across maybe some of these questions in this book or at least the concept or the idea. And you're like, what have we been doing? We haven't talked about it.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Hi, everyone. Drew Proat here. What are some of the top signals and signs that you aren't aging well? Well, on today's episode, we have a powerful rerun of one of our top podcasts that still so many of you have not heard. It's with Dr. Kelly Starrett and Juliette Starrett. And they're here to talk to us about some of the things that
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And it's the connection between longevity and something so simple that I think everybody should be paying attention to, but they may not know this connection, sitting down and standing up. Who wants to start off by explaining what that connection is?
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Or they weren't widely used. I mean, computers.
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Yeah, it's so powerful. And we were chatting a little bit beforehand, but this really is about how do we make this accessible to the most amount of people?
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Because if it's not accessible and if this is not your full time job to, you know, work in a gym or be in fitness or have all the money in the world to do whatever kind of test you want to do, you're not actually going to move the needle forward.
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Right, right. And your book is about not leaving people behind. And I'm gonna jump around a little bit, but because we're on this theme, I want people to understand just the power of why you've talked about walking. Like let's just build on the basics, right? Because we started off with longevity, which you guys call durability. We'll get into that and break it down for folks.
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We started off by, okay, if you're sitting down cross-legged and you can get up without assistance, that is a good test for you about your mobility. And it's also a predictor based on some research that you shared of longevity. That's there.
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That's right.
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Yeah, perfect. So on that note of... basics, meeting people where they're at, right? Walking is something that my audience is really starting to understand that they might've been sleeping on walking because it didn't feel like it was enough. And yet when you look at it, most people are not walking that much in their day-to-day life because of how sedentary they are.
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So give us the breakdown on walking and how it's so deeply tied into so many aspects of our health. This episode is brought to you by AquaTrue, my favorite at-home water filter. You know, the water you drink is just as important as the food you eat.
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Kelly, can you break down sleep pressure and then build that conversation a little bit further from everything that was shared?
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Yeah, it's so basic. I mean, anybody listening, you just heard it. You sit on the ground. Crisscross applesauce. Crisscross applesauce, which by the way, we were just talking a bunch about my Indian culture before we started recording. I've been sitting on the ground since we were like, basically could actually sit.
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Everybody in my family, my grandmother, would regularly prefer to sit on the floor. And actually when we moved to America, we got vacuums, we got other stuff, my grandmother still would prefer to squat and kind of clean the floor with this thing that's kind of like this like weird broom stick. Yeah, I can envision it. And she enjoyed it. It was part of her life.
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are the basics of longevity that many people don't pay attention to, including how a simple at-home test is one of the best markers of longevity. And you can listen in and see if you can do it. If you can't do it, maybe this episode gets you motivated to work on some things that actually will make it easier for you to do it. It's a little bit of a tease, but I promise you it's worth listening to.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
But anyways, I got excited because I was like, oh my gosh, I've been training for this my whole life and I could actually do this test. You know, we talk about VO2 max in this podcast. We talk about grip strength. We talk about a lot of other predictors of longevity, but here is one of the simplest ones that anybody can do. In fact, if you're listening, you can pause right now and just try it.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
So the vital signs are basically levers and we all are connecting to the fact that there's multiple levers that we can pull on today. And at the end of the day, because they're objective, these are all things that are going to move you in the direction of durability. Exactly. Nailed it. Let's talk about durability and why you prefer that as a term.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And everybody's talking about longevity right now. It's so cool. And it's great and it's cool. But durability goes back into this theme that we were talking about earlier, which is that if you look at the last 15 years of a lot of people's lives, it's hell on earth. It is miserable, and it's painful, and it's very, very sad.
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Sit on the floor and see if you can get up without any assistance.
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And it's also...
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just a reminder that we never know what can happen but the question is how strong is your body overall to be able to as you guys said take the hits so let's use that as an opportunity to go from durability to some of these vital signs that are there and how you ended up choosing that so i don't know if we go through all the 10 because people can get the book they can go through it all but give us like at least some of the top ones that we haven't talked about yet
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Yeah. You're not just walking to get better at walking. No. You're using walking as a vehicle to improve so many aspects of health. Your brain, your community, getting sunlight. You're right.
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Maybe we'll break down a couple of those just because you touched on them. Our audience loves the conversation around nutrition, food. We've had different people of different angles. And then my job as a host is kind of also to be protective of our audience in the sense of I'm going to expose you to everything, but let's look at the themes that are there.
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And I think I loved your book because you have been hitting on a lot of the themes that we've been bringing up over the last year, especially. So you've mentioned too, Kelly, and maybe whoever wants to break it down a little bit further, let's talk about the macronutrients and how your recommendation-
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around fiber and plant food coming from vegetables or fruits, how you ended up coming up with the recommendation that you want people to target.
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Yes.
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Right, and just replacing it with processed health food.
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And you bring up a really important point. Can I ask one question before you jump in? Is how, if somebody's listening today and they're like, I want to do this challenge, right? Obviously pick up a copy of the book, but how long is this challenge? And I mean, pick up a copy of book because it'll be a nice supportive thing to do for the authors and you'll get a lot of other benefit that's there.
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You don't need the book to obviously do the challenge. But if you want to do the challenge, how long and what changes should somebody see in their diet for especially somebody who's not consuming a large amount of whole fruits and vegetables? There's a lot of people here that consider themselves very healthy, but they eat a lot of processed health food. chips, all the things.
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What's one of the number one sellers at Whole Foods? It's potato chips. The same thing that people are buying everywhere else.
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But mine have organic olive oil. Yeah. So what changes? How long should they do it? You mentioned apples. Four apples is an example. Are there any other examples that are there? And what changes should they see in their body?
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But you probably would see if somebody did it for 30 days, they would notice some huge benefits.
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Yeah, that'd be great. And to build off one thing that you were saying, Juliette, is that also constipation is a major issue. And when you actually audit, most people have never had the benefit of tracking their food. Right. It's not always easy. And it's like you got to learn a little about it. But once you get into it, you're like, OK, I can manage this.
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They never see sort of their breakdown of macros or they're under eating on certain things. Yeah. And a lot of people in the health space in particular, as a lot of these health foods have become so good. And as I think it was in the year 2000. 2016 was the first year that we spent more money on eating out as a nation than we did on groceries, right?
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That was the first year that that ended up shifting. So naturally, when you're getting food from ordering Uber Eats, whatever, those things are naturally going to be concentrated sources, even if they're healthier foods. And you just see this trend where people are getting less and less fiber.
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So even I've noticed this trend that even a lot of my friends that are in the health space are now dealing with constipation. And when you look, we often miss the basics, which is, are you just eating enough fruits and vegetables? Are you getting enough fiber in your diet? Rhubarb for everybody.
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We ate crazy things when we were kids. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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You're hungry all the time. You're hungry all the time. You're hungry.
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Yeah, definitely. And I think the key theme out of that is, you don't want to be so attached to any thing at the sacrifice of something else. And I think there's more awareness on that. You know, we recently had on Thomas DeLauer, big YouTuber, talking about that. In his early days, you know, intermittent fasting was a huge part of his journey of losing a ton of weight. I think 110 pounds.
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Amazing. And then, you know, the muscle mass conversation, lean protein conversation, how do we modify this for other people? And again, it's like, what is the priorities that holistically work together in the body? And we wanna make sure that we're majoring in the majors and we don't put so much emphasis on one thing that we lose something else that's right.
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It's a TikTok thing.
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Another thing, my own mindset around the topics around longevity and aging and health and wellness, they've evolved over the last few years. And one of the things that I would say that I have doubled down on is actually this idea of doubling down on the basics.
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protein otherwise I can't tell what's going on I think that's really at the heart of so much of the conversations we're having with experts is that there's so much noise in the data it's hard for us to sort of ascertain what is essential yeah it's true and the protein thing is like you know we've had people you know come on from all different sides to talk about it but I think the ones that really you know as you guys are doing in your book people are understanding that
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
the true impact, especially as you get older, when you start to talk about sarcopenia, hip fractures, and then there's this whole other movement, which is people understanding that protein, we've had on Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, who really drove this home for a lot of our audience there, is that protein, which is directly connected to lean muscle mass,
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is the thing that's going to soak up all the glucose inside of your body, right? So you get away with having more carbohydrates. Ask me if I'm afraid of a cookie.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
What do you feel about the advice that a lot of people who sort of are trying to merge these worlds together, right? Let's say the traditional thing
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fitness world that's a little bit heavy on the I would say more traditional approach to energy balance like it's all calories in and calories out then you have like a little bit more of like hey it's it's it's you know quality of calories does seem to matter and could have an influence on things and generally
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If you keep your calories under control through whole foods, you're going to be in a good situation, right? Like if you're primarily focused on whole foods and you're not eating a ton of ultra processed foods, you know, the ultra processed foods calories, even if it's like 2000 of the same calories, it may come with more environmental exposure. It might come with more glucose.
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glucose ups and downs. So one of the recommendations we hear a lot on this podcast is that, hey, you could start off your morning with fruit, but if you start off your morning with protein instead, a little bit of protein and fat, you're going to be more satiated. You're going to start off with a little bit better blood sugar control, which might help with cravings.
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Or do you feel that, hey, look, that's restrictive. If people are just hitting their protein goals in the day, I don't care what time or when they're eating different foods. What's your take on the situation?
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Just avoid the peanut butter and the whole chicken right before dinner because that might be a little bit time consuming. And I think that's what's great.
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Is that one of the vital signs? No.
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It's just something else that's included.
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The glucose tolerance test is basically- So the glucose, yes.
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Have you seen Joe Rogan's joke on his hashtag vegan cats?
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Yeah. And this is obviously getting a little bit more complicated, but what I'm about to bring up, but my audience knows we've done different discussions. One of the number one tests that a lot of doctors recommend inside of our audience is it's actually a very cheap test to get. It's like 12 to 20 dollars.
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fasting insulin oh yeah fasting insulin because glucose is going to have natural variation throughout the day and it's not going to mean much to you and you should have a glucose response if you eat food it's going to go up but you should come down but fasting insulin takes a long time to change and it's a much better indicator of hey are you is your body at a place where you can you know handle things or have you gone a little bit too far down the direction of you know
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carbohydrates, refined processed foods, et cetera, to the point that you now have this main marker that early, this is like medicine 3.0 that kind of Peter Atiyah talks about a little bit, that there are early indications that it could play a role in eventual, when it's high. When we're talking about high, we're talking about 15 and above. Right. Right. We want people to be 10 and below.
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And optimal, I think, is around like three to five, somewhere around there based on, you know, this is probably like 100 doctors coming on the podcast over here. And I know that not everybody agrees on different things, but could that be. So I'm just trying to make sure that my audience has connected dots because I want to come back to the Frappuccino test, which is the which is the glucose test.
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Right.
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So you want people that their body, which is probably a direction of, can your body metabolize the amount of glucose that you just took in, that it's not going to completely throw you out of whack. That's right. Right. That's the goal with that.
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Okay. So even though I have a good amount of carbohydrates, I train, I actually think I would be somebody who would feel reactive to that.
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because you should feel bad. A lot of women feel bad when they have to do the glucose tolerance test for pregnancy, right? So aren't we all gonna kind of feel bad a little bit doing that?
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Because people do, when you look at people's lives, they do, they have that, they're gonna be in different situations, especially, and the ones who are not are usually probably don't have kids yet, right? They're gonna be in situations, especially when they have kids that are going to pull them in different directions.
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But what allows you to be more flexible in that is again, building up lean muscle mass, right? Walking on a more regular basis, having all these other assets.
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Yeah. You know, Julia, you were saying about we don't want to scare people. But in a way, when we look at the world and chronic disease and how, unfortunately, people... spend usually the last 15 years of their life, especially in American society, which is being exported around the world, right? Like India is one of the fastest growing rates of diabetes anywhere in the world.
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Yeah, for sure.
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You know, the Middle East is in shambles on health-wise. As people get more money, they want to live like Americans do, which usually means a lot more sugar, more sedentary life. So there's a little part of this, which is that
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Absolutely. Let's pivot over to sitting because I feel like we started the interview with this idea of like why sitting on the floor is so important. And of course, so many people, you know, me included, the Zoom class that's out there working on their laptops, running their businesses, whatever, professionals, they're sitting quite a bit.
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But there's a whole section inside the book about how to vary this up and actually create a life that's more...
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naturally designed just like kind of not having the cookies in the home your your environment is shaped better to allow for a lot of the top tips that you have to make sure we're not over sitting in fact there's a word for you that you guys have for it uh marathon sitting right that's the that's the phrase yeah so explain what marathon sitting is and then let's go into sitting recommendations
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We don't want to leave it at fear, but we do want people to be scared enough because often what I find having taken care of my grandparents, like I kind of had two sides of the equation. My dad's parents had a lot of mobility in their life and my mom's side of the family, her parents had less so. And I saw that decline when I was taking care of them.
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Yeah, we're marathon sitting right now. Should I redesign the studio and we do podcasts on the floor?
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Julia, you've been doing great because you've been fidgeting the whole interview and I see you moving around and shifting a little bit.
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I'm a little bit more stoic. I don't try to, you know, I'm trying to like keep the pain inside. But I really do want to fidget. I want to start moving around as well.
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And anybody who's taking care of somebody elderly, who's losing their mobility, losing their body, and then they start to see that the entire body and the brain starts to decline because they can't move, it's scary. And you wouldn't want that for even your worst enemy. And it happens quickly.
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You're mixing it up all the time.
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It's almost like you fall off a cliff. You fall off a cliff. So part of this is also... understanding, you know, when you look at a child, you look at a baby, they're doing a lot of these movements that you're talking about in your book, Built to Move, link in the show notes, people, everybody go buy it. It's a fantastic read. They're doing these things naturally.
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And on today's episode with Kelly and Juliet, we talk about what are those basics that have so much evidence around them that are related to longevity. Sure, it's fine or okay to experiment with the latest technology or supplement or this or that, but we don't want to do those things at the expense of the basics. And that's what today's episode is all about.
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So what- You're not saying don't do them. You're saying that people hate doing them.
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Regarding range of motion, just to kind of close the dots on that, is that there's the sitting crisscross on the floor, right? Cross-legged. Are there other tests that people should be thinking? Is there just one or two that you want to mention right now?
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Now, somebody who was listening is like, okay, I'm convinced I need to put attention in this area. I want to prioritize this. As they're navigating the vital signs, how do you recommend they decide what to work on first, second, third? Obviously, a lot of the... suggestions and exercises you've mentioned are things that you can work into your normal day-to-day life.
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And generally speaking, I've seen that when somebody is starting from zero and they're starting to put priority on something, everything's a little bit tough because you haven't done it before.
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And zooming out from soft tissue to the whole file size.
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Because everything impacts everything. Of course.
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Powerful. You guys brought up the topic of kids. And I think right now we are in this stage just pivoting a little bit because a big part of this book is also the impact and how we want to change for everyone, as we mentioned in the beginning.
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And if we look at the state of kids right now, there's some scary things that are going on, as there is with every generation, but in particular because of technology and how bad this perfect storm of problems have gotten. And my audience in particular is quite interested in the topic of sort of advocacy of creating a better environment for the next generation, right?
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One of the topics that we see throwing around a lot right now is this idea of, okay, the problem is so bad, we need to have kids right from the beginning on these super complicated drugs to help address the obesity epidemic, right? And, you know, I would like to put it out there to both of you If we're really, the people who are listening, right?
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Because the first step in this hero's journey that we're all going through, that you guys are going through as well, is you're making a change in your own life. Yes, your family, household. Your own household, your own family. It's got to start there. And as you start to make those changes, you start to think, what things can we do for others to also make this accessible for them?
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So if you guys had a magic wand and we are trying to create a societal shift
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that allows the next generation to be able to step into something different and not just we're all on ozempic for the rest of our lives because that's so same way right what are your thoughts and suggestions of things that you would want to be paying attention to if you had the pull to be able to sort of shift if there was a czar of food nutrition and fitness and you were put in that position what would be the things that you'd be talking about
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They're saying it as a badge of honor, but you're like, hey, they need to be doing it.
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It's sad, but... I've never seen more people paying attention. Now, that doesn't mean that we don't have bubbles as we talked about before. But I've never seen, even within that, I've never seen as many people talking about it. And it's not just because I live in LA and you guys live in San Francisco. I've seen more and more people talking about it. I see more congressmen talking about it.
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Even though it's small, I see more congressmen. I see more political candidates that are running for president talking about it. That's kind of interesting. Who knows what that would look like?
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Yeah. And sometimes it has to look like things are, and sometimes things do have to get really bad enough to wake people up. And I think we are in one of those moments and people who are listening today are waking up. But again, it goes back to this idea. You also have to first take care of yourself. Let's hit some of the basics because that's-
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take care of you take care of your family and even your family as somebody who got into kind of uh health more from the food side of things early on fitness kind of came later for me nobody likes to be lectured no but they like to be inspired by seeing what you're up to and i don't have kids yet it's something on the future for my wife and i i got married about two years ago um but growing up i was trying to be an influence for my parents you know having indian parents
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They walked a lot, but I didn't see a lot of other sort of movement.
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Right. There was a lot of sitting and there was a lot of walking. Sitting on the floor, which was great because that helped me. And then as I started changing my diet and getting them off of the standard sort of Indian diet, which just tends to be a diet that leads to a lot of skinny fat people, right? Under protein, high carbs, that sort of stuff.
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I saw that when I backed off and just did my thing, my parents felt inspired because they're like, oh, you know what? That high protein salad actually looks really good. That salmon looks really good. Let me try that. So people love to be inspired because they're seeing what you're doing. And I think that both of your books is something that can help people take practical aspects.
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We don't have to go to VO2 Max and these other things yet, although that's fun to dabble in for some people. And we can start with this and be an example for others in our lives and actually head towards those goals that you're mentioning, Juliet, wanting to play with your grandkids at the age of 80, right? Wanting to be able to lift up a suitcase and put it on the airplane.
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You know, as Peter Reptia talks about wanting to be able to ski or motorbike or whatever else it is. What is the reason that you want to do these things in the first place? Because we have to connect to that to fight against the inertia of life. And you guys are making it possible with your book. So thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for that message, for being on the podcast.
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We'll see in 10 years. We'll see if it worked. Let's see if it works. It looks like it's working right now. How can people keep in touch? We have the link to the book in the show notes. Please, everybody go check it out. How can they keep in touch with you?
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Amazing. Kelly, did you want to chime in? There's an account. Somebody else runs it, right? Is that the kind of thing? No, no, no, no.
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I thought I read something on your Instagram account. Like this is the place to find you, but it looked like more of like a branded account.
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It's you. We're still small. We'll link to both those in the show notes. Again, thank you guys for being on the podcast. This is a fantastic conversation. We're going to have you back for round two, where we'll talk about a bunch of different topics that we can get into, but this is fantastic. Hi everyone, Drew here. Two quick things. Number one, thank you so much for listening to this podcast.
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With that being said, I think you're going to love today's episode. So let's jump in with our interview with Dr. Kelly and Juliet Starrett. Kelly, Juliet, welcome to the podcast. I want to jump right in on something that actually blew my mind when I read your book.
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Run through a little bit of a list of some of those variables, just so we can connect the dots for people, right? You're talking about at a young age, kids, they're running like Usain Bolt, you know, are shoes part of the equation and kind of how that plays into it.
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Of course, you mentioned sitting as well, like run through a few of these things that if we contrast, let's say how my grandmother grew up and how I grew up, you would see that it's not that she's training at CrossFit or that she's trying to get better. She just has to operate a particular way to function in her world and her environment.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Dave, welcome back to the podcast. You are an engineer, a citizen scientist who's on a mission. And today is a very special day because this week you guys have published a groundbreaking first of its kind paper. For anybody who's interested in the idea of does my diet make me more likely to get a heart attack or does it make me less likely to get a heart attack? Is my diet healthy for my heart?
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Blood pressure, insulin, high insulin. Yep. What else would be inside of that category? What else would you put there?
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Low HDL, high triglycerides. Yeah. So if you think that cholesterol is the end-all be-all story, then you end up minimizing- or deprioritizing a lot of these so-called secondary factors. And part of your sort of thought process is that what if these secondary factors are way more important than we understand?
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So what were the markers and what were their levels for many of us, including myself, who are paying attention to our cardiovascular health.
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Well, we're going to pick that up in a second because I want to get your thoughts on a bunch of things that you shared there. But I think that before I get ahead of myself, let's bring this back to this paper that you and your team have put together that has been years in the making. Set it up for us by starting off with the original questions that led to
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even undergoing this study, raising money from your community primarily to get this thing funded. And then ultimately it ended up being published this week. So what were some of the original questions that you wanted to explore that helped set up the study and then talk about what is this study and what is it designed to explore?
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Typically what people call soft plaque, right? It hasn't calcified yet, although they do look at calcified.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Yeah, so basically for these people who are healthy, active in most cases, their blood work all looks normal minus the high LDL, the high ApoB. And you talked about LDL in terms of the number. What's considered a high ApoB? Is that anything over 80? Anything over 80, yeah. Okay, great. So like at one point in time, and I'll talk more about myself, I fall in this category.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
My ApoB untreated, and I'll talk about some of the treatments that I decided to go on. My ApoB untreated on a low carb, you know, metabolically healthy diet with like an optimal fasting insulin. My ApoB was 180 at its highest.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Yeah. So somebody out there, a Peter Atiyah would see it and smack you in the face and say, we need to get this lower. You know, the vegan doctors out there that are making the Netflix documentaries are going to be shouting from the rooftops and say, you are killing yourself and you probably already have your heart frozen.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
filled with plaque, especially if you've been doing this for five or 10 years. And I think that's the other important thing is that many of these people, they've been eating this way for a while. It's not like they just started eating this way. How long was the person typically on a more low carb diet?
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Like earthquakes, right?
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
A six earthquake, 6.3, not that bad. A 7.5, 8, 9 is like decimate an entire town.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
So going back to this description that I had, which is that you had these participants, 100 people that were part of this study who largely have great blood work, except for their LDL, their ApoB, these couple markers that traditional medicine would say, you're going to die if you don't get this in check.
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they came in and said look i feel good many of them have lost weight their focus is great i mean we've had on some of the pioneers in metabolic health that have talked about people going on these diets to you know address their schizophrenia today's national bipolar day like get rid of their bipolar disorder you know symptoms so people are feeling really good but they're asking that question that you asked which is is my heart okay so you took a snapshot in the beginning
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
through this uh more advanced version of a ct scan a ccta right is that that's what it's called so you're looking at hard plaque you're looking at soft plaque and you're getting a baseline now take us further to the next snapshots that you did you said you did one a year later on correct yeah and then was there another one after that or that was the main one the snapshot after a year
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And so then what did you see for that snapshot in one year's time? And what does that add both in terms of clarity, but also the questions? Because often you'll do studies like this and there'll be more questions sometimes that come along with it. So what were some of the results that you and your team have unpacked that you've talked about in the paper?
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So if somebody already has plaque before that first snapshot, right? On that first snapshot. On that first snapshot. So whatever their lifestyle was, all the things based on their age, contributing all to that moment, if they already have plaque, they're more likely to get more plaque.
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So if somebody came in and you have two people that are part of your study, both have the same super high ApoB, maybe 180, let's just use that since you said that was the average, the person that already had plaque got more plaque progression in that year time snapshot.
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And the person who didn't have any plaque that was there or had very little, because everybody probably has some tiny amount of plaque.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Yeah, I had a Clearly test done. It was fantastic. I really liked it.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
I got to unpack this because my sister, my older sister did it, and they literally said hers was 0, 0, 0, 0. Really? And so I'll send you the report. Maybe you could take a look at it. But like mine was like... Very close to zero. But I had multiple cardiologists tell me that it was the cleanest that they had seen in their practice for a guy that was my age.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Now, mostly probably who's going to be doing these things. They're going to be people who are already thinking that they might have some plaque buildup and stuff. But I'll send you both of those reports and you can take a look and let me know. But when my sister said it, I didn't get a chance to look at the report. I was like, like zero, zero, zero, like nothing.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Like I thought everybody had some amount of plaque that was there. And she was like, no, they said I had like zero. And it was just a clearly test. But anyways, we'll save that for another time. The bottom line is that everybody, no matter how healthy you are, and often typically if you're above the age of, what, like 10, you're going to have some amount of plaque that's there.
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It could be the tiniest little speck, but they're going to find something that's there. So when you talk about people that plaque begets plaque, what was that threshold that people had a certain amount or certain areas where it was predictive that they were going to have more plaque on their one year long snapshot?
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So the people that are listening to this conversation, the first thing that they're sort of thinking is, what does this mean? Right. And I know that there's a lot that comes with that. But what can we start off with of what this means, what this doesn't mean, and what requires further research to unpack? What are your thoughts on that?
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So my audience is very well aware of a lot of different people or organizations in health. They are interested about what is the truth for themselves when it comes to how to pursue down the path of cardiovascular disease. But let's lay the land out a little bit, and then we'll get into your theory, your original theory, and this paper that you guys put together. So give us the view.
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Which is rare. Which is super rare. Very rare. We're not talking about people who have genetically predisposed to higher cholesterol or hyperabsorbers. This is, again, a very rare disease. It's one in a million, actually.
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You know, I had a chance to chat with one of your team members. Nick was on the podcast a couple of days ago. This should be called, you know, Dave and Nick week, right? We're talking to you guys. We're writing about your paper. We're, you know, bringing up all the interesting points that you guys are making.
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From seeing everything, I'll tell you a few questions and thoughts that are brought up for me. And you can tell me whether or not there's any validity to them or if I've gotten something wrong. So is that okay? I'll share a few ideas with you.
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So one of the first ideas I had from this, you said it's right there in the title, that plaque begets plaque, is that you, your team, the way you guys think about this is that when it comes to the right diet for people, there's a lot of nuances. And even though there might be some people that feel really good on a low carb diet, the blanket statement that, hey,
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you're going to be fine with a long-term LDL that's super high, an ApoB that's super high, that you wouldn't feel comfortable making that blanket statement in the way that, let's say, super hardcore carnivore types or keto types would say, everybody across the board should eat this way and don't pay any attention to this idea that high LDL and high ApoB is worrisome. You know,
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after just this partial snapshot, it's that one of the biggest things that's worthwhile for people to know is where do you stand currently? And that should be a big part of how you decide to undergo the right diet and your own personal threshold of where you feel you're
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LDL or ApoB is in terms of your own comfortability and whether or not you want to treat it using maybe medicine or other means that might be there.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
On those panels, on heart disease, what does traditional sort of mainstream medicine throw in like Tufts University, these schools of nutrition, Harvard University, when it comes to high LDL, when it comes to high cholesterol, what is their view of our diets and the risk of cardiovascular event in the future?
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So is that a fair way for me to be thinking about some of the way, like, I basically feel like you guys would have a much more nuanced approach and that you wouldn't just tell everybody that, hey, the ketogenic diet or this way of eating is right for every single person.
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It's so amazing that we have access to the imaging that's available today in companies like Clearly, you know, no affiliation with them. Because for a long time, the approach and the advice for, let's say, my dad, you know, my dad has been on a statin for probably like 30 years of his life, right? He's 75 right now, maybe longer than 30 years.
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And the approach previously was you run the basic blood work and okay, your total cholesterol is high and your LDL is high. No real questions asked beyond that. We're going to put you on a statin that's there. And again, there wasn't even anybody at the time telling him to get a CT scan.
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Cause I think he was still like in his thirties and they were like, Oh no, you don't need that right now, but we're going to put you on medication, you know, for the rest of your life. That's fine. Much later on after, you know, I think it was in his fifties. I think he might've gotten his first CT scan and there's some information about calcified plaque in there.
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There's no information about soft plaque inside of there and, and correct me if I'm wrong, but soft plaque is a major contributor. There's people that can get a CT scan. Their score is not crazy high, but it's still a little bit high where their people are feeling like, okay, you need to pay attention to this.
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But underlining, they could have a lot more problems with soft plaque that could increase their risk, but because they don't have imaging, they don't know. Is that a thing? I've heard that before.
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Yeah, CAC.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Right, right.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
But before we go into the paper and unpack it, tell us about what is that mission that you're on?
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So generally speaking, a CAC, which again, in most places you can get for like $90, $100, right? Yeah. is going to give you a good idea of not only calcified plaque, but that calcified plaque for most people is gonna be very correlative to soft plaque that's there. So for the average person that's out there who's working with limited funds, Just get your CAC done so that you can get some sense.
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Now, help us understand, based on the scores that come back from that, what is really bad, bad, okay? Normal, again, normal means so many different things based on an unhealthy population. And then, of course, what is optimal or where would you like to see people? And then reference that towards the fact of, you know, most people really start paying attention to a lot of this around the age of 40.
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And I've heard that most people, their doctor will tell them, especially for men who have a higher risk than women, usually when you turn 40, hey, let's go get that CAC done. So help us understand the scores and the report that come back from that in the context of this audience here that wants to be healthy.
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Yeah, there's only so many things that people can do, especially at that age. There's quality of life. And it's definitely like a personalized program for every single person that's there.
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Let's zoom out for a second and we're going to be picking up on this thread. So everybody just hang tight. What creates plaque in the first place? Why do some people have plaque and some people don't have plaque?
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Yeah. Like a fork in the heart where you have one thing going one way, another thing going another way. And you're saying that that just bifurcation, the split in the artery is a common place where plaque would build up.
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Now, you have a lot of nuanced thoughts about this, but let's take the traditional or the historic sort of keto carnivore community or even the low carb community. What was their view on things? And I know that you share some of those views, but you even have some nuanced views within that. But let's get that more other extreme of the view, right? Like some of the top influencers in that space.
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you had this year in between the snapshot, you have people that are already having high LDL, high ApoB. If the traditional theory and idea of it's all cholesterol, it's all LDL, it's all ApoB was true, what you're saying is you should have seen across the board plaque progression because especially things are exponential for how high the LDL and ApoB was. And you guys didn't see that, right?
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That's basically what I'm hearing, right?
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Yeah. And you guys didn't see that. Coming back to the topic of plaque in the different theories of why plaque builds up in the first place. In one of the theories, you were talking about the role that injury plays. What is injury? And what's an example of that for a person that would be coming into your study who already has some baseline level of plaque?
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What is their view of that same landscape?
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You mentioned that on our first podcast together, but it really clicked for me this time. So it's not just injury, which again, it could be bacteria exposed to other stuff, whatever. But part of that also includes a lot of drinking when you were young, smoking that somebody does. It could include being exposed to an environmental job where you're exposed to more toxins, microplastics.
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We know that those are sometimes found inside of plaque that's there. So a lot of different things, some that you just will have as part of normal living, but some that can come through increased exposure through lifestyle. Those all
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can play a role in injury, but you're saying that, yeah, okay, that's all there, especially if you move away from the bigger ones, like we know smoking, et cetera, if you're not smoking as part of your diet. But another question that we really should be asking, and there's not enough focus on, is why doesn't your body have the normal capability to repair those sites?
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What is impacting immune function? So those same things that injured in the first place, if I'm understanding correctly, those things that could cause repeated injury. For example, if you are... regularly drinking to a degree that is excessive drinking, you are going to be somebody that's going to constantly be injuring yourself and prevent and distract your immune system.
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Um, if you're somebody that's dealing with another immune issue, that's taking up your body's like, I'm guessing like if you're dealing with an autoimmune condition where your body is kind of distracted a little bit, could that be an example of something that could also prevent potentially the repair from happening? Potentially.
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And we don't have imaging right now that is so good that could pick that up.
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What's another thing that a lot of runners end up getting, uh, You're talking about AFib? Yeah, AFib. Yeah. Right? A lot of runners. Is that connected at all with this too?
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When you were a runner.
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Yeah. So pulling back to this concept is that we have injury that's going to come from a natural part of living. But there are things that, is it a fair statement to say that living a life that minimizes things that are known potential injury is going to be supportive, right? You can't completely remove injury to your heart, right?
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But staying away from smoking, drinking too much with the definition of that has changed a bunch. A lot of people now say that's maybe more than like two drinks a week can potentially be impacting. I don't pretty much drink at all. But also reducing your exposure to excessive levels of plastic. Is it fair to say that those things...
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all are good things for your overall health and potentially could be reducing your risk of injury. Is that a fair way to look at it?
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Okay, let's talk about that.
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what are the known things that inhibit the immune response? So we're talking about the body's ability when it gets these little injuries to go in and repair, to replace out the dead cells in the endothelium that maybe have gotten damaged. And whatever version of that, that is all the specifics that is way over my head. So what impairs that process? Insulin is one of them. Insulin. Okay, great.
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Let's start there.
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So one major action item for everybody is really prioritizing not eating in that three-hour window before bed. Do you think that there is potential benefit to moving that window up even earlier? Again, in the unknown, but your theory? Yeah, potentially.
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Because we have this sort of thing where in most cultures around the world, especially if you look at like the Indian community that historically in the Hindu or Jain tradition or Buddhist traditions where fasting was a huge part of their culture, like other religions that were out there. It was always that I would see the emphasis being on skipping dinner.
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You know, nobody would really skip breakfast. They would skip dinner. And now because of our society and the way that things are and us being social, sort of fasting in our modern context, especially here in America, when it got really trendy, was people saying, okay, I'm going to skip breakfast because it's a lot easier and then I'm going to eat dinner.
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I've always felt better and I feel like I get the benefits when I have an earlier dinner and I actually feel like my brain turns on in the morning when I eat and I know everybody's a little bit different. That's a lot to be said, but potentially you could get some additional benefit if you had even a longer window of not eating before bed.
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So let's talk about some of your views, and especially in the context of this groundbreaking research, which is out this week.
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Depends where, like sometimes in Spain and like people will eat super late and some of that influence that ended up in like Argentina. Like I'll go to a restaurant where I went to Argentina with my wife. People are barely getting to the restaurant at like 10 p.m. sometimes. It's nuts. They eat so late over there. Wow. That's Argentina specifically, which is obviously not in Europe.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
But yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting depending on where you go. Sometimes I feel like that's one habit. That's not the best habit that they've inherited. So you were going down along the lines of... Things that we know that don't impair our body's natural ability to repair itself, right?
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So one of the first ones you mentioned was not eating too close to bedtime, keeping that sort of three-hour window. If you can make it four, amazing, especially, you know, you're going to sleep at 10, you're eating at five. So, you know, you probably finish your dinner at six is my guess, right? Yeah.
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Yeah, six. So you have six to seven, seven to eight, eight to nine, nine to 10. So you have four hours there in that window. What else is another takeaway of something that doesn't impede our body's natural immune repair process, especially when it comes to repairing the heart?
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CRP, interleukin-6, what else would you put in that category of these inflammatory markers?
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There's been individuals that have been on this podcast that have been maybe dismissive or critical of even the idea of lean mass hyper responder, right? I don't need to not name names because I think it would be helpful because you guys have had different sorts of discussions on Twitter, sometimes not discussions, people just tweeting about it.
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But like, I'll take a couple of people, for example, like Simon Hill has been on this podcast. He shared his understanding of what he thinks about things. This was a while ago. This I was telling him that I fall into that category and he had a very large smirk on his face and then shared his perspective on things, which I appreciate, by the way.
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I want everybody to share their perspective on things, even if they disagree with me, because I'm not an expert in any of these categories and my audience wants to learn along the way, just like I do. Then you have individuals like Lane Norton, who's had a little bit of
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I guess you guys have asked him for a dialogue, but maybe he hasn't participated in the dialogue with you guys, but has made comments about what his thoughts are about how problematic it is to have high LDL, high ApoB over the lifetime and where that fits into the studies. When you take any of those individuals that I mentioned or anybody else that's been a
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What do you suspect the response is going to be to the publication of this study?
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Because the fear would be for some of those people that this is life-changing for. For example, we had on a woman named Hannah Warren, I believe was her last name. Oh, yeah.
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No, she works at Metabolic Mind.
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organization now and she's part of our like press team and she came on the podcast just when she had joined the team and she has her own journey of uh being diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder and how she went on a ketogenic diet vegetarian ketogenic diet um to to that end and uh had a complete reversal of her symptoms basically by seeing the work of chris palmer
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
And so what I was saying is that there's people like that that have been on this podcast and is the fear that with a lot of these leaders in this space saying, look, you're going to die early. There's no reason you should be on that, that you would end up trying to protect your heart later on based on the theories of public medicine.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
But in reality, but the trade-off would be right now you're being impacted by this mental health disorder, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, or ulcerative colitis in the case of Nick. And so some people might be so afraid of dying in the future that they abandon this therapeutic diet that's actually working for them right now.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
That's one of the reasons majorly why this work is so important. One of the things that I took away from the study that was there for me, from at least your explanation of it, Nick's explanation of it, is that... I have a couple of my close guy friends that are above the age of 40 and kind of abused their body growing up through different sorts of means.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
One would be actually going on a high carb sort of Indian vegetarian diet, not having a lot of dedication to physical activity, not really having resistance training being part of their repertoire. So being a little bit under muscled. And, you know, we're probably drinking like a lot of their peers that were there.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
And that kind of continued into their behavior of trying to keep those college years alive, even though they're well beyond, you know, college. And they wake up around 40 and they're like, I really want to focus on improving my health. And There would be many years ago where I might have pointed them towards resources, which would just be, hey, great. Do all the basics that we know.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Cut down the drinking. Most of them are not smoking. That's great. But dietary wise, start moving in a direction of low carb, maybe get a glucose monitor in some instances and try to get a lot of these good quality fats, proteins in your diet and and continue to improve in there. If you can get some blood work done, get some blood work done.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Let's try to improve those lipids that are usually in the wrong direction. Let's get control of the inflammation. Let's find you a good practitioner that's out there that would help them. I still believe in all those things.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
And the one element to go back to something that you said is that especially if that person is going to lean more towards low carb, higher fat instead of their diet, I would really want to push them towards getting some sense of imaging, which a few of them have gotten on their own, done clearly scans. And in some cases have come back with a pretty significant amount for the age of 40, 42, 43.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
They come back with a significant amount of hard and soft plaque that's been there and that has informed them i'm very lucky my brother-in-law is a cardiologist that's very hip to this world very open-minded you know has his background in functional medicine and would tell them that hey listen you know this is how to understand your blood work your own risk
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
In your instance, especially where a lot of these guys are South Asian, Indian, where there is cardiovascular disease running in the family that's there, there's been a much higher emphasis on, hey, yes, do all these other things. And yes, get your fasting insulin, the optimum range, do all this stuff.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
And in some instances, you might want to be a little bit more aggressive with certain therapeutics. That could be everything from azetamide on the low end, or in some instances, maybe something more aggressive because you're already coming into this scenario with some level of a significant amount of plaque coming from your lifestyle previously. That's kind of how I've seen it.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Now, I'm not a medical doctor. I'm not treating these people. I'm just sort of pointing them in the right direction and ushering them to people who to talk to. Do you think that's a fair way for me to look at things? And as always, you know a lot more of the specifics. So what are some of the holes and nuances that I'm not covering?
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
I'm on a zetamide. I've shared with my audience, I think, what is the initial dosage? Like 10 milligrams or something like that? Five milligrams, something. I'll fact check that and put in the show notes. Even though my clearly came back as basically incredibly clean, and I'm always updating my knowledge. Who knows? Maybe I might rethink things through here.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
And the fact that a zetamide is focused on cholesterol reabsorption.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
And that largely most people that I've talked to, including my brother-in-law, my cardiologist, Michael Twyman, is like, you're not really worried about side effects that we know of. It's a very cheap drug. I'm not even using insurance to purchase it because it was just a pain in the butt. I think it cost me like 60 bucks for like a 90-month supply or something like that. It's super, super cheap.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
I thought, okay, everybody's trying to make their decision for what they're comfortable with. I think I'm more comfortable taking this, especially because I'm one of those individuals where my APA B is 180. Now to share with my audience,
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
me having been on it now for almost about a year, my ApoB has not really gotten below 75, which is still a lot of people might consider high risks that's there, right? So just sharing that, but I actually am comfortable personally, not medical advice to anybody else. I feel a lot more comfortable with my ApoB at 75 when it comes to rolling the dice of what could the future look like.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
So if I'm understanding correctly, you've trained your body if you're on a low-carb diet, right, or lower-carb diet or ketogenic diet, carnivore diet, you've trained your body to use fat as fuel, and so you just have more fat flowing around the blood, right?
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
And that's just my situation.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Do you feel that one of the thinking by, let's say, people like Peter Attia, who's been very vocal about his views and how they've changed in his book, Outlive, is part of the thinking from some of that group that... Look, we have to do public medicine because the vast majority of people are not healthy.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
And so when we're talking about making these recommendations about getting LDL and ApoB low, we're making them within the context of understanding that most people are not metabolically healthy right now. And that, yes, diabetes is part of the four henchmen of the main killers that are out there. And he definitely wants people to get away from being diabetic or pre-diabetic and that sort of thing.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
And that's going to get picked up in a blood test and it's going to make it look like to the outside, hey, this person could be unhealthier, quote unquote, than maybe they actually are simply because they have a lot more fat flowing around their bloodstream.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
But that we're living in a world that people are not healthy, not metabolically healthy. So We have to make recommendations based on that. Is that part of what's driving a little bit of the view?
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
No, of course not. If you had to give a list of takeaways as a recap here of what at least we could infer or has strong sort of backing, maybe not directly from the study, but it sort of reemphasizes things that are known. Uh, for example, I mean, it's pretty obvious for everybody, but try not to get plaque build up in the first place.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Is that one takeaway that's there is like being healthy as early as you can for the people that are growing up on podcasts and things like that. Is that one takeaway that comes from this?
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Could one takeaway be that imaging is important? And if somebody has the means and is paying attention to this, how closely should they be following? They have some plaque that's there. They're worried about the progression. They might be having, they have high LDL, high ApoB.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
How often typically have you heard people talk about making sure to get that snapshot with the trade-offs of, you know, there's some radiation exposure? What have you seen that's out there?
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
So it feels like there's a takeaway for somebody like me, which is if you already don't have a lot of black, your levels look good. It should add, I'm saying from my end, I know you don't like the word should, but it's, it could add to somebody like me, or let's say, let's talk about myself. It adds a little bit of comfort to me where it's like, okay, cool.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
This is even more of a reason that I'm less worried personally about having an APOB around like 70, 75. and an LDL because I already don't have plaque. I am metabolically healthy. I'm going to continue to be committed to being metabolic healthy, continue to focus on lean muscle mass and all of the things that are there, not just diet. I'm going to double down on reprioritizing
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
and prioritizing recovery, right? That's something to give more attention to. But that just idea that if somebody brings up, well, how do you feel about that? What's your level of comfort? This would be one study in the body of work that's out there that would make, hey, well, you know, there's some questions about the traditional model.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
And this is why I personally feel a little bit more comfortable having a little bit of a higher LDL than maybe mainstream medicine should say that I ended up having. That's how I feel about it.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Well, I'm happy that at least you guys are doing it because if it wasn't you, it'd be zero. Talk a little about the movie and then talk about research. There's going to be a whole campaign. We're going to link to it in the show notes to not only raise awareness about the study, but also have people who can join and be citizen scientists along with you. I'm excited. I want to contribute.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Let's talk about the movie first, and then we'll talk about where people can go to support the research.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
And when it comes out in the fall, it'll be like streaming online. People can, you know, go pay to watch it or that sort of thing.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Okay. Amazing. And what about the research and the charity work? Where do people go to support that?
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Oh, incredible. And we'll put the link in the show notes below for that. And also exciting on that same note is that you are launching your own podcast, right?
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
And it'll be out maybe sometime in the summer?
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
What should people be searching for?
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Okay.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Yeah, yeah. I need to come on the show. We'd have a great discussion. Well, I'm excited for all of those things and so much more of what you're up to. And I think in this new wave that we're in, we have so many individuals who are taking health into their own hand and asking these big questions and saying, how can I move this along further?
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
And how can I contribute some body of work that can at least push us towards the direction of looking into things that we've assumed to be true for so long, but there might be more to the story. And I definitely see you as being one of the people that's doing that in the best and most integrity-filled way.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
So thank you, Dave, for coming back on the podcast and talking about this paper, the implications of it, and all the questions that need to continue to be answered as part of that process. So super appreciate you, brother. Thank you for having me on.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
Let's zoom out for one second. As you're building up this landscape, including your views in it, and then we're going to get to the paper. Why does this question and this topic matter, right? Somebody might be listening today and say, look, I'm trying to eat healthy. I'm not on a ketogenic diet.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
I generally am aware of not having too many carbohydrates and everybody has maybe a range of what that is. I try to stay active. I'm trying to build my lean muscle mass so I can make use of the glucose inside of my body. But why does it matter for the person who's listening today? Who's like, I'm not ketogenic. I'm not super low carb. I'm not carnivore.
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
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Is Current Thinking Around Cholesterol Outdated? What You Need to Know About Heart Health and The Root Cause of Plaque Build Up with David Feldman
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Paul Hawken, an absolute pleasure to have you on the podcast. Carbon is often vilified. It's seen as this culprit of climate change. It's an us versus them mentality, and it's either... You are against carbon or you're for environmentalism, right? You're either with us or against us, as George Bush famously said. But you've described it not as this villain, but as this animating force of life.
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
There's all these different and beautiful stories inside of the book. And one that comes to mind after you sharing what you shared is the story about this food experiment that was done by Clara Davis and the infants. And I believe it was in like 1930, 1928, somewhere around there. Can you talk about that story?
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And in particular, the message of the story signifying that maybe there's these deeper forms of intelligence that we're just not hip to yet. And what happened if we were more hip to them? Most of us do not have a ton of extra time for more than a few basics every day.
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
It can be hard enough to try to cook and eat healthy three times a day, work out, get your protein in, and get all of our work done at the same time. By the time 8pm rolls around, I just want to relax and wind down for bed, maybe get some stretching in.
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
In fact, you write that one of the kids, they believe, had rickets and they sought out cod liver oil, something that kids would never really, no adult would think that a kid would be seeking that out. It's sickening. And continued to take that until basically their rickets was gone.
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
You know, from the outside, at this point in time in the conversation, it can be easy for somebody to feel like, okay, humanity is lost. But is there an opportunity to step back into that wisdom, even amidst all of the quote-unquote brainwashing that's taking place?
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
It seems like in this world of tribalism, across the board, I'm not just talking about politically, in the environmental movement, For a long time, it was a useful vehicle. When I say useful, I'm not saying helpful, but it was a useful vehicle. to use carbon as the boogeyman to basically degradate the other side. Either you believe in this idea or you don't believe and you're part of the problem.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
We all have an iPhone. Computers. Could have been the Prius long before that, which has partially a battery that's part of it too. Hybrids. Yep. No question. That's what got you off.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Where did that come from?
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
I want to pick up on this theme of duality, which is a big part of the book is recognizing that. After reading through the book and hearing some of your talks that you've had recently, which we'll link to in the show notes about the book, part of my thinking was just in the same way that you say, hey, carbon is neither good nor bad. It just is, right?
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
It's fulfilling its purpose in the fabric of consciousness to show up and be a key molecule in the creation of life. In that same way, would it be fair to me to look at things like I believe it was since the 1950s, almost 500 million people in China have been lifted out of extreme poverty. A big driver of that is the yearning and the urge for more.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
It's the urge for growth, for possessions, for materialistic possessions, for creation, for building. And a huge part of that is also having used nature, no different than any emerging economy that would be there, just at a much bigger scale, as a means to an end to fulfill the hierarchy of needs of human beings. Is that good? Is that bad? Or is that just good?
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
the unfolding of the likelihood of that situation. And yes, we wanna do better through awareness and spreading awareness and having places and people and countries and societies be aware of their implication of destruction to themselves because they are nature. Even if that's as simple as, hey, you're putting toxins in your own body through air pollution, which is gonna reduce your lifespan,
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
through these PFAs and microplastics and other things. That's not good for us. And it's also understandable that human beings in the context of this modern world would be doing those things. It's not right or wrong. It's just the way that the system was. And yes, we need a different system. Is that a fair way for me to think about it?
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
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Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Actually, if I could just interrupt, and I do want you to expand on that, but it's more in the sense of, you know, we have people, health has become so mainstream here in America in so many different ways, right? I'm talking separate from the political landscape.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
But within that context, I think largely a lot of people have felt that they've been on the receiving end of saying their life, their profession, their yearning for, you know,
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
uh improving their family's economic means has been deemed to be bad in the same way that many people have demonized which you're trying to get people out of they've demonized carbon as being bad and this book is reframing that anytime somebody's told me that i'm bad that i'm wrong from any kind of perspective yeah it really works people shut down yeah right they don't listen right and so
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
I'm speaking a little bit to this larger idea is that can we see even things like growth within the duality of life, that there's a lot of things that end up happening because if we were in that same position as those individuals, not to stick on China, it could be these emerging economies in India that might be using dirty fuel sources or whatever it might be, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
we would be doing largely a lot of the similar things. And yes, we need a better way. And can both of those things exist? And partly that takes us down out of this idea of somebody else has to fix it. It has to be a top-down approach. This is somebody else's fault.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
This is the problem with people in Brazil who are cutting down the rainforest, not the demand that we see in the United States for people wanting grass-fed beef. which partially has led to a lot of that deforestation that's there, right? Is that bad? Is that good?
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And can we move away from those labels, see it as not helpful for us to get to our ultimate goals as a society, and what does a better and different system look like?
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
35, 40, 50%.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Zooming out for a moment here. In the book, you talk about the Earth being a conscious planet, a sentient planet. I'm super curious on your thoughts on this. Do you believe that the earth has a form of awareness in itself?
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Everything in the book is about data, and yet the core and fundamental takeaway that I had is that when we step into this sense of awe, if we step into this sense of presence, you can't help but to see that you are part of it all, and that the part of it all
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
is you so this may seem a little bit off topic and you can say pass on the question but it's a perfect place to ask that you know your writing for me carries a deep sense of reverence for the intelligence the sense of awe that i just talked about from the microbes
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
and the sound of the microbes which you talk about and this all the way to the stars has your personal sense of awe knowing how important awe is to the recognition that we are part of it all and all of it is part of us has your sense of awe
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
been shaped by any kind of peak or altered states whether it's been from meditation psychedelics or of course time in nature and i ask with the sense of if awe is such a central part of once you get that everything else seems to come into place
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Could anything that you've done be a vehicle or a tool for other people that are looking to increase that sense of connection and recognition that they are a part of nature and nature is part of them?
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
You know, a huge part of that is fundamentally starting off with this important molecule that's been so demonized and re-approaching its role in all life, not just human life, but everything around us. You say in the book, carbon is a window into the entirety of life with all its beauty, secrets, and complexity. Tell us about some of those secrets that carbon has.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
One of the thoughts that I had is that some of the people, not that I would ever say somebody needs this book, but let's use that language. I felt that some of the people that could most benefit from this book have been the loudest voices of the environmental movement. When a lot of people see your work and they think, oh, if we could only get the other side, which often means to them,
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Republicans, people who voted for Donald Trump, people who work at oil companies. If we could only get the other side to embrace this idea, the world would be a different place. I felt more of there's all these people for years that have been talking about
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
climate crisis and yet they use the most as you mentioned dualistic language in the world instead of meeting human beings where they're at what do people care about people care about clean water they care about clean food right and you can't talk about some of the themes inside this book in the modern climate crisis without stepping into some aspect of recognizing that we live in a political landscape
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And what I've seen over the years, even as somebody who always felt is very pro-supportive of a lot of themes that you talk about inside of your book, Drawdown, and many of the conversations, and so many people on this podcast come on and champion things like regenerative agriculture, which you've been talking about forever.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
What I see firsthand is I'm seeing years of largely top-down media, or it could be top-down influence in the form of celebrity, saying how beliefs that I had about food or toxins in my food system or concerns about pharmaceuticals was considered anti in some sort of way.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And it just goes back to this idea that I felt some of the people that could most benefit to actually get us across the finish line as a human species together, because we're all in it together, are the individuals that want to put down the other side for believing in something that they deem to be incorrect, false, or misinformation, which is largely that they may not understand yet
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
why somebody wouldn't want to eat seed oils in their diet, even if the data is mixed, or might really care about being selective about certain therapeutics, or might really have concerns about microplastics that are out there.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
So it's less of a question and it was more of a point that this to me, stepping into a sense of awe and awakening is a book for anybody that's still stuck in the idea of it's me versus you, it's us versus them. Exactly.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
It's not recognizing that the average person on the street, they need to fill up gas in their car. Yep. Right? We're not yet at this level where... Electric cars are available to everybody at a price range that makes sense. And even within that context, electric cars, sure, aren't perfect, but they're a step in the right direction in humanity's involvement. Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
It's an easy narrative to want to blame the other person. In fact, I was listening to somebody interviewing you and they were super well-intentioned and I'm not here to call out any names, but I think this goes back to a core idea in a question that was given to you. The interviewer, again, well-intentioned. was likening human beings to being a virus on Earth. Right, I heard that.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And I think if we fundamentally, we fundamentally have to ask ourself, if the story of carbon is about creation of life and human beings are part of that, how could we think of us and our existence on Earth, which is part of that unfolding of consciousness, as a bad thing? Yeah. It's not perfect. It's an evolving situation.
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
But I do truly feel that some people believe that growth and even the existence of humans is a plight on this planet. And that's a very sad story to me. Do you have any thoughts on that?
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Okay. So there is a growing hope in technologies like carbon capture, geoengineering, people talking about, you know, I think it was Bill Gates talking about reflecting the sun's rays away from earth even. And yet you suggest, as you mentioned, that these may be rooted in the same thinking that created the crisis in the first place. Yeah. What are the limits of technology in healing the earth?
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And as part of that, where is the room for the viewpoint that's largely today in Silicon Valley being called being a techno-optimist, the idea that if you study the history of humanity, that major improvements in lifespan, in quality of life, came from the deployment of technologies at different levels, sanitation, antibiotics, et cetera,
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And the role of technology to help human beings, when appropriately used, to be a part of something that can help us take care of ourselves, lift others up, and also take better care of the planet. So where do those things come together and where do they divide?
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Speaking about knowing what works, one of the things that you talk about in Drawdown, which is a solutions book, and that's not the focus of this book here, that's the primary focus of today's conversation, is on the topic of knowing what does work is carbon sequestration through regenerative agriculture. Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Really going back to the larger idea of the book of actually our goal should be creating more life on Earth. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Yeah, absolutely. Because for a long time, many of the top environmentalists we're seeing human beings as a burden on earth. And the thing that they miss is that we're part of nature too. And there's a way of existence that's there that, you know, to quote, you know, the writer, architect, author, environmentalist in his own form, William McDonough, growth is good, right? Growth is good, nature.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
In nature, growth is good. It's done in harmony. And that's what we've forgotten as a species, and we're trying to get closer back to that source. But to say that growth is bad, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
I meant in terms of the human species, to think that the way forward is less humans on the planet, which has long been the view of some environmentalists. That seems like a losing battle because it's creating a disconnection between us.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
But I agree with you that unchecked capitalism, unchecked growth that uses nature as a means to an end, poisons our waters, pollutes our air, pollutes all that stuff, that's growth too. But that's not the growth that we want.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Now, I'm not sure if you've come across this, but there's some new work out by the author Ezra Klein and his co-author. They've written a book, Abundance. Yep. I haven't read the book, but I've been watching a lot of the conversations. And I think in the context of this conversation, again, you can always say pass. We'll take this out.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
But where I wanted to get a chance to get your perspective on something, as a long-term Californian resident, one of the things that Brooke talks about is that largely...
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
uh states and cities that consider themselves as liberal very pro-environment like california they've been focused on process and not always outcomes and there's a world where some of those things can come together and in the book they talk about specifically the challenge in california as a state and from the excerpts and the conversations i've seen that are out there and one of the
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
stringent laws that came from a good place, well-intentioned, we put this barrier in terms of building housing for a lot of the population, especially individuals on the lowest end of the economic totem pole. And part of what the left can wake up to, largely just using it as a pocket or people that have been the staunchest environmentalist in the traditional sense, is
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Is it time to revisit some of our views that is still pro allowing us to build, but not getting so stuck in the, not in my backyard way, environmentalism that prevents the state from being affordable for people to live into. That's my loose explanation of it. And I'm sure somebody gave a much better explanation. Have you been following this conversation? And do you have any thoughts on that?
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Or the interventions on homelessness. Exactly. That don't seem to be doing anything.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
It's a much deeper conversation.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Right, right. It needs to be taken a lot deeper. The thing that I did appreciate, at least that the conversation is happening, is similar to the larger environmental movement, which, again, you've paved this... unique path where you really are focused on outcomes.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And I feel like a lot of the movement can learn from you is that if we don't keep outcomes in mind and people and what they really need to live a good life, we're going to miss the boat on things. Yeah. You saw this during the last election. There were so many individuals that cared about health as their primary focus. voting in this world because they have an autistic child.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And they know that vaccines don't cause autism, but they're so concerned about all the chemicals. And they've read the studies that say that mothers that have higher levels of BPA in their bloodstream are more likely to have an autistic child. And they're wondering why the hell are we not devoting major resources at the NIH or other places to study this thing.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
They are dealing with parents who are getting Alzheimer's and they're so young. They're in their mid-60s. And you're like, what? They're dealing with people who are, every one of their friends is having autoimmune issues or other stuff. And I think that for a lot of people, it was so focused on
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
this one human being, right, is so bad that we can't let him back into the office, that they missed the boat on the fact that so many individuals, I'm just talking about this health block, largely people who were previously considered themselves completely liberal, always voting Democratic, they actually are speaking up about something that they really care about.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And if politicians would listen and give that voice, I think there's way more of those people that are out there than individuals realized. They care about the environment. They care about health, first and foremost. They don't have all the answers, but
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
They want people, doesn't matter which side of the aisle, they want them to talk about the fact that, yes, we are poisoning the earth, we are poisoning the climate, but what about us here in America that have all the resources in the world and are spending all this money on healthcare, and yet every family out there is feeling like they're getting sicker, not healthier.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
You mentioned something that I'd love to just have you expand on a little bit more. I think largely people listening to this podcast would say, I'm not waiting for anybody to save the day, but I do think people can come into a position of power at a company, potentially in government, and directionally move in the right direction.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Some things they'll be successful on, some things they might not be successful on. From the outside, following the early stages of the campaign, there's been a few things that it seems that under Secretary Kennedy's leadership have happened. The first one is recently the statement being made to reevaluate how infant formula is being made in the United States.
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And it does seem that along with it, there is a lot of signaling that there is an upcoming ban on pharmaceutical ads being advertised on television, which some people feel is not really related to the marketing of the products, but is actually a weaponized method to control favorable coverage of pharmaceutical companies on CNN, Fox. Fox takes ads from pharmaceutical companies.
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
All the big players do. They're on YouTube. They're everywhere, right? And so directionally, are those things that are taking us in the right way and are worth fighting for? Or do you feel like we're being...
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Yeah. And I love your thoughts on it because as you mentioned, you've known him, you have a major voice in this space. So to just close that conversation,
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
track of questions with something, what would be something that you would like to see him do, even amongst the fact that you've said very vocally, you don't imagine that maybe either he could be empowered in the right way to do it, or that big pharma, big ag, big food is so powerful that they could stifle it, even amidst that, what would be something that
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
in the next or some things in the next one two three years that you would like to see secretary kennedy do that would make you feel wow that was something significant it's not that full answer to the question because there's many questions and there's usually not one full answer, but if there were to be something, what would it be?
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
I know Syngenta's the name of the company. Do you know which herbicide it is? I'm blanking on it right now.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Okay, so it's something we sell in the States, but it's banned in other countries. Well, it's banned in the country where it's made.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
China. So just even as a start, this Maine, it's probably one of the best sellers for Sygenta. If that was able to be taken off the market, that's something that you would do.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Anything else you would add to that? A low hanging fruit that would make you feel like this was a significant sense of progress in the environment or in the toxic nature of our society here in America?
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
70.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Even amongst that corruptness, taking it back to the ideas inside of this book, is I was left with this sense of when you truly step into this awe to understand that even with everything that's wrong, there's also everything that's right.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
One of the core themes inside of the book that is going to be a huge part of today's discussion is this idea of dissolving the human nature divide, which you so perfectly articulate in the book. You've said it's not that there's a climate crisis, right? We are the climate. It's not that there's a biodiversity crisis. We are those creatures.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And I think largely most people, when they step into that sense of awe, they feel like, sure, there's a lot of problems that are there, but the awe, the beauty, the laughter, the joy, the... everything that makes consciousness worthwhile and celebrating in nature, there's way more good than there is bad. And it reframes how you even see the bad out there.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
One quote that stuck out to me in the book was, Every problem is a solution in disguise, or it wouldn't be a problem in the first place.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
I feel that that thinking is available to you only when you step into that sense of awe, which to me comes along with the fact that, yes, there are problems, there are injustices, there's things that we've gotten wrong as a society, as human beings and as man, but it couldn't be any other way than it is, including our desire to want to change it. I agree. Because how did it end up this way?
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
This is the way that it is. And through the inspiration of yourself and highlighting solutions and not seeing ourself from nature, the acceptance of, okay, this is the way that it is. And inside of that problem is the solution. Let's not try to argue against reality, but rather step into it and see that we The solution is there and we are part of the solution. We can be part of that solution.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And it comes back to stepping into that awe and that awakening that we are no separate from nature. And the through line between all of us is carbon. That's my takeaway from it.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
So why do you think modern society created a duality between humans and natures? And how do we return to some of this knowledge, this wisdom that maybe ancient societies had intrinsically? And how can we collapse this boundary to recognize that our lives are inseparable from the living world and nature?
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Paul, before I let you leave, I got to ask you about this. A lot of people don't know that you, in Boston, I believe in the 70s, you talked about founding a natural food store. That natural food store was Air One?
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Yeah. Now, I know that people think of Air One as the most expensive grocery store in America. That's how it's often introduced on social media. Yeah. And it might be. But as part of that, I don't see that as a bad thing. And I'm not saying that you're saying it's a bad thing. I see that as a demand of people.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
If you look at a city like Los Angeles, where you have the modern day Air One that a lot of people know, you literally have people flying in from Japan and other countries to see it and take photos with the $20 individually wrapped strawberries that are there. is, sure, it may be a little gimmicky, but it's actually a byproduct of the fact that people really do care where their food comes from.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And it's not that it has to be highly priced, but a little bit of like, it's sort of replaced some of the other aspects of luxury in people's life. People thought that getting great luxury food, like if you wanted to go spend $100 on something, you'd go to some fancy Michelin star restaurant.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And then you realize that a lot of these restaurants are buying the same groceries from the worst grocery stores or places or whatever. It's just they know how to dress it up in service and other things. So I kind of like the fact that people are excited about
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
spending money on things that sure it might be a little bit expensive and that's obviously not we're going to scale to the rest of the world and people in america but it's part of the signaling that there's a demand and an interest in people wanting the purest and cleanest things that are out there and it's one part of the global landscape of solutions that are there so i give them high marks on on the on the organic quality
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm a huge fan of, you talk about community. I think we need communities. And I think of, you know, how many times like I want to take a meeting and
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
and somebody's excited that oh we can go to the hot bar at air one and we know we can get like really good food overall right there's plenty of different options that are there there's mac and cheese there's this there's that but you can get grass-fed beef you can get wild caught salmon and i think it's a larger landscape and i think going back to our earlier part of the discussion we're talking about tesla talking about this i just want to see more solutions overall and i think that when you step into that connection that you're not devoid from nature
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
one of the first things you start to do however you get there, is you start to also see how do I want to play my own individual part in making the world a better place? Because I am part of the world. It could be somebody starting a podcast.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
It could be starting with somebody writing a book or a newsletter, being a reporter who focuses on these stories and these companies and groups and farms that are doing something different. It could be a teacher that's slowly trying to get healthier food into her classroom. Whatever it is, we all have that little role that we can play. And sometimes that little role turns into a large role
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And I think that that becomes a huge part of we as the collective cells in the organism are all stepping up and making the world truly a better place and not just expecting that somebody else does it. We are playing our part and raising awareness in the way that we can. And I think if we have that mentality, we're less likely to...
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
You know, there's nothing wrong with criticizing people that need the criticism, but our day is not encapsulated or controlled by the news or social media that wants to get us stuck in all our problems in life are being caused by somebody else.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
I heard you in another interview say that one of the thoughts of the multitude of thoughts that was an inspiration around this book is also you facing your own sense of your age, where you are in life, and thinking about what happens when you're not here, as people tend to do.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Even though, knock on wood, I hope you have the longest amount of time here that we could possibly have with you, selfishly. In that sense, I've also feel like I've heard two thoughts from you in different interviews. I've heard some thoughts, which is we're unsure if humanity will make it. And another thought that's there, which is humanity will make it.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
That is part of the duality that exists, that's there. Help me understand how to make sense of it as we're winding down this conversation.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
Well, whatever you're doing, it's working and it's not just leading to a sound body, but obviously from your book, Carbon, which is out now, everybody can pick it up. We have the link in the show notes. It's leading to a sound mind as well. And I want to acknowledge you for
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
taking the opportunity to write a book like this, which is, in a way, a different book, but so perfectly fits into the narrative that you've presented to people about the power that we have as human beings when we return back to source. And it's poetic. It's beautiful. I love the stories inside of there.
Dhru Purohit Show
We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
And I thank you, Paul, for all your work, including this book, and for coming on this podcast and having this conversation.
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We’re Not Separate from Nature, We’re Made of It: An Honest Conversation About Soil, Carbon, and the Future of Humanity with Paul Hawken
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Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Dr. Sachin Panda, welcome to the podcast. Pleasure to have you here. I wanna jump right in. Tell us about why when we eat, which is the timing of when we decide to eat, the window, might be just as important, if not more important, then what we eat.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
You're sort of two days a week, you're working, you know, at night, and then the rest of the week, you're normal. Or is it the cop schedule where for three months, you're doing sort of the shift work, and then you go back to the normal one? Which one is more detrimental to the body?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
You end up in a place where so many things are disrupted in your metabolic health, but then also that leaves you in the morning because your sleep is disruptive that you're more likely to have cravings for sugary, hyperpalatable foods the next day in addition to just feeling not 100%.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Just to share that, because we didn't go into that pivotal study that you guys put out there. So even the mice that were eating a terrible diet, as long as they were doing within those eight hour feeding window, they didn't have all the downstream effects that you would expect with a terrible diet. Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And again, it's mice.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
How is time restricted feeding going to be helping at all amongst all the stress they're dealing with?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
I think I read somewhere that Denmark now... will provide extra compensation for shift workers who are diagnosed with cancer because there's so much literature that's there with the association of shift work and cancer.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Some form of extra resilience amongst all the chaos that their lives live in.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
It's not always clear. It's not clear, but this is something.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
They still were able to perform.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
In fact, they did it. All the stresses that were there. Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Please break it down.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Because you're doing it with your brotherhood, your sisterhood, everybody's supportive, they're pushing each other. Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
So I went around making the documentary kind of inspired a bunch more people.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Tessa? Is it? Is it? Is there a website for it? Or do people watch aware?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And where could people, if they want to stay in touch, about once it eventually releases, is there somebody they should follow? Or will you post it on Twitter?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Well, besides it being a fascinating story, what I'm getting is the takeaway from that, right? Very touching. And by the way, the fact that you and your team are doing that, it's incredible, right? As you mentioned, we have to support our shift workers.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
They are really carrying the burden of so many aspects of life, healthcare, police, firefighters, first responders, truck drivers, everything, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
they are really powering what this country has available to itself. And the takeaway that I got from it is that even when somebody has to write, my brother in law is a doctor, my my other brother in law is a nurse, right? Yeah. You're going to if you are in these professions, you're going to have to probably do some version of shift work. Yeah. Right.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
even if that's in your residency or whatever, even then still taking advantage of things like time-restricted feeding, having a set feeding window, which is inspired based on the work that you guys have done, that can help give the body some sense of resilience, right? So even amongst some stress, there's things that we can do that can help combat that stress.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
We shouldn't just throw up our hands and say it's all done. There's still some things that we can do, and time-restricted feeding is one of those things.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Watching TV or if you're on your mobile phone. Yeah. That's also work as far as your body's concerned.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
So while we're winding down here, this has been fantastic. We've had a great conversation. I think we've almost gone two and a half hours plus. This has been great. I mean, this is the power of being able to have a conversation in person. So thank you for being able to come. And so you guys have also, you know, part of this is that you have your research app, right? You mentioned earlier.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And you also have another app that you guys have released, right? It's called OnTime.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And Tessa, if we could bring it up, it's getontimehealth.com. Yeah. If we could bring that up. And you're trying to, you and your team are trying to make this simple for people.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
That if we can practice and incorporate circadian biology into our normal schedule, which influences The time period that we eat, right? Time-restricted feeding, sunlight exposure, optimal movement times. Just those few basic things can make a radical improvement in our health. And that was the inspiration around launching the app.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Can you add anything more to that, the context?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
So choose a 10-hour feeding window, what works best for you.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah. And then that's why you even recommend, in addition to having kind of like shooting for a consistent bedtime to optimize sleep, that's why generally you recommend for everybody, whether they're doing the app or not, is that having a consistent sort of time that you break fast breakfast in the morning is just a good general practice for your body.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And I think I've heard for you, you generally like to have your first meal around eight o'clock. Is that right? Yeah, it's between 7.30 and eight. 7.30 and eight. Yeah. And I wake up around six. And that's typically when you have your coffee as well too.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
15 minutes here, 30 minutes here adds up over the course of a week.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
They go right to bed.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And what was that recommendation? Is that two to three hours before bed? Yeah. Dim the lights. Dim the light. Significantly. Most people are not going to have a red light in their house, right? Yeah. I have one in mind and it's it's awesome. I start to dim the lights in the house. I'll turn on a red light in sort of the bedroom. Yeah. And it's been really helpful because my wife
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
she would start to feel a little sleepy because I started helping her circadian biology and the lights were dim before bed. And then all of a sudden she would go to her bathroom, right? We, we, I have my bathroom.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
She'd go to her bathroom. She turned on all the lights and she started brushing her teeth and washing your face. And I'd be in bed getting ready for sleeping. She would come back and she'd say, I feel wide awake. Like I have all this energy. I just want to talk. Let's watch some TV. Let's do this. Let's do that.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
I'm like, yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Why do you have all this energy that I realize it's she's getting this massive dose of light right before she sleeps. So we did the lights a little bit. We turn the red light on. But even in general, I've heard. Yeah, I think I heard this from Andrew Huberman. But he would say that even if you just especially like the overhead lights.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Keep the lights that are sort of at eye level that might have a lamp, but then dim those as much as you can. And you're saying the ideal window is like two to three hours before bed. Just make everything more dim in the house to prepare your body for sleep.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah. Because they're disrupted at least a couple times a week, they're looking at their phone, they're up for a couple hours, they can't go back to sleep. Essentially, they're a shift worker.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And we'll link to it, but there's a manual feature on the phone that I'll just show you. Here's my phone over here. I'll send a link to how to activate it. It doesn't happen automatically like night shift, but you can hit your phone three times and then it goes to dark red. So it's even redder than the night shift mode. So it's a setting on Apple. I think Android has it as well too.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
For the people that are listening, we'll put a link to a little blog post where they can learn about that. And then do you also recommend the blue light blockers for people that have them?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah, mine look very red.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Here's how you know it's a good blue light blocker. You should not, it actually should be very difficult to use electronic devices because you can't, you don't actually know what you're clicking on because there's no blue there.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Everything kind of looks the same. And if you're lucky, there's a little bit of texture you can kind of see.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
But it's actually very difficult to use your phone if you're using like true blue light blocking glasses, because you can't really kind of distinguish between different things, which makes it a little bit harder to use.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
I put them on usually about like an hour and a half, two hours before bed. my wife, when she sees me put it on, she's like, I'm not ready to go to bed, take them off, take them off, because she knows that I put them on. And I immediately start to feel like relaxed and kind of sleepy. And if I'm not careful, like I end up falling asleep before her and she doesn't like that, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Not to air my relationship, dirty laundry out there, but she's like, no, we have to put them on at the same time so we fall asleep. But yeah, I've kind of trained my nervous system in a way And I don't sell any that are out there. I put them on and I immediately like my nervous system starts to feel like, okay, I'm getting tired now.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
So that's part of the recommendation in the on time app is just people starting to dim the lights and incorporate that and have that consistent bedtime.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And they're simple things, right? But just as human beings, we're not always the best at tracking. So that's where technology can be very helpful in that process, right? It can be helpful. Absolutely.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
well this has been fantastic you know i feel a little bad because you're probably going to eat late tonight and that's going to disrupt your sleep but in another way i feel so honored that we got the opportunity to have this conversation because these simple tools these simple lifestyle changes starting with even just the first one we mentioned not eating late not midnight snacking they can have profound impacts
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Then you stack that with a little bit of walking. You stack that with some extra strength training exercises that people can do those during the week. You stack that with dimming the light and getting a little bit of morning light. These things add up and you feel good. And what I've found is that when you feel good, so many more things are possible in your life.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And that's when you start to make a difference for other people too. If you don't feel good, it's very hard to long-term be dedicated to making a difference in other people's lives, right? Which is why at the end of the day, we're all here. But when you feel good and you've taken care of yourself, now anything is possible. And I think it really does start with sleep.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
So I'm so glad we dedicated so much time to that. If our audience wants to stay in touch with you and even make a donation to the Institute, what are some places that you want to send them to keep in touch?
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I find out about a lot of the latest literature by following you on Twitter.
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Yeah, that's super powerful. Well, we'll have the links to all those in the show notes as well as your books, the Circadian Diabetes Code, the Circadian Code in the show notes. Sachin Pandey, thank you so much for coming on the podcast and sharing your work with the world.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
We don't feel good. People are gaining weight. They're not clear. They feel hangry or irritable. And then on top of that, if we look at the trends, which I'm not saying is directly associated, but just the correlation, chronic diseases up, all sorts of markers of cognitive decline are up. and not all linked to sleep, but sleep is a crucial part of it. Is that part of what I'm hearing you say?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
I've been good all week or I worked out earlier. Just one donut is not going to be a problem, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
That's the big challenge. It's a powerful mission, vision, and obviously your work has been at the forefront of it. Just to put a little bow tie on the topic of sleep, and then we'll come back to it later on. Would you say that, and you've been hearing this more and more, but I'd like your opinion.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Would you say that investing in improving your sleep, your sleep hygiene, which is also tied into not chronically eating late at night or allowing at least a little preview of some of the recommendations, like three hours or so of not eating before bed, would you feel that the vast majority of people would see a significant improvement in their life just by focusing on that?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Absolutely. So what I'm hearing you say is big picture, the most important thing to understand, and it has all sorts of applications, including when to eat, when to sleep, when to be active, when to potentially take a drug, as you mentioned. People are on pharmaceutical interventions, so it's most efficacious and effective for the body.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Everybody's trying to balance out what should they do? Should they do this? Should they focus on this area? Should they focus on that? And sometimes people are so caught up in eating the perfect diet. And there is no perfect diet. That's always going to modify for different people. But what is there is that generally we all have the same circadian biology with some variances that are there.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
So for most people, if their sleep is thrown off regularly by eating late, Just by focusing on that, they're going to see a big difference in their health. Is that an okay statement for me to make? You know, in a perfect world, we would all get enough of the nutrients that we need for high-level performance from our diets alone. That's in a perfect world.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
But we live in the real world, and that's a world of nutritional deficiencies and not always optimized diets. And the truth is that every single one of us could use a little bit of support when it comes to the path of becoming our personal best every day. For me personally, as I always talk about on this podcast, the first step is nailing the basics.
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Dhru Purohit Show
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But first, we need to understand that not just our entire body has a circadian rhythm, which I think most people who are listening today know, but different organ systems also have their own biological clock. Give us an understanding a little bit, for example, of... an organ system or cells inside of the body that have their own individual rhythm that many people may not necessarily know about.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
well you alluded to it earlier and especially for young people there's so many distractions that we have to battle against yeah so it seems so simple on the outside this idea of hey get seven hours of uninterrupted sleep yeah and we are facing all these challenges distractions wi-fi mobile phones um and so in a way we have to take something that came so naturally to us as human beings and now we have to become a lot more intentional
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
I have to be at work at this time.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
What was this researcher's name?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
We think of the mega millionaires, billionaires who are funding things.
Dhru Purohit Show
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They may not work, but if they do, they can have big implications.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Taxpayers. And it's great that we have the NIH and we have that, but often the funding that can come from there might be at the end stage of research that people are working on that it's the last little bit. For some of these bolder ideas, it could be a little bit tougher to get funding. Yeah. But that's actually what a lot of people and I know that's what I'm interested in on this podcast.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
I mean, it'd be great for somebody to solve. Who knows? Maybe I might get involved with somebody who's working on it like a GoFundMe type thing for researchers. Yeah. And then maybe even having people like I don't know what should be funded and what should not be funded.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
But I'd love to have somebody like Dr. Rhonda Patrick or Andrew Huberman or other individuals saying, Hey, look, pay attention to these, you know, few things. I know Tim Ferriss has done that a little bit.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
psilocybin research and plant medicine that's there. Something like that would be amazing. People could feel like they could participate. But in the meantime, if you look around, even labs like your own, you guys do accept donations?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah, because now this idea of time-restricted eating is out there in the zeitgeist. And I know many, many people who feel like they've improved their body composition, lost weight, feel better, sleep better because they've been able to practice that, but the research had to be shown for the newspapers and everything else to pick it up, for book deals to happen, et cetera.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
So, I mean, it's an incredible return on investment for the lab that you, for the people that have helped fund that research. Yeah, so let's get back to- Yeah, let's get back to that. But that was a good little tangent. I'm gonna be the first to donate after this podcast is done. I wanna come back to sleep for a second.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
You've shared something very important, which is, you're not against alarm clocks, but you just want people to understand what happens when you consistently have to wake up from an alarm clock, right? So what's happening to the body when you're reliant on waking up from an alarm clock And could there be a different way of going about things? So I'd love for you to chime in about that.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Since the modern industrial age.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
No, it's very powerful. The takeaway for me is that if you are relying on an alarm clock, Okay. There could be a lot of reasons. Don't freak out. And that's the perfect sign that if you can, and people are in plenty different situations, obviously there are situations that you can't control, like having a new child. Yeah. You're talking about young moms, young dads.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
But if you can, invest in going to sleep earlier and being more stringent with your routine that's pre-sleep, including light, which we're going to chat about next, so that we can be designed to, as long as you're not a morning shift worker, which might be a little bit different, there's a lot of caveats, but if you are lucky enough and privileged enough to have a normal work schedule that's there,
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Generally, you should be able to wake up on your own at a time that's appropriate, but that only can happen without an alarm clock if you're getting enough sleep.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
It's a big challenge, but it's well worth it. Because it has so many implications in so many different aspects of our metabolic health, chronic disease, diabetes, cancer, etc. And as we said before, for a lot of people, they would see a massive improvement in their health, especially as they age, if they just paid a little bit more attention to their sleep.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah. Talk to us about sleep debt, how it accumulates. And if people are listening today and they have sleep debt after you describe it, what can we begin to do? Is it again, doubling down and making sleep a priority? So let's chat about a big picture. What is sleep debt?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
You don't want to be sleeping nine hours plus if you're not an adolescent, right? That's a sign that maybe something's going on, chronic fatigue, et cetera. You want to hit that sweet spot of those seven to eight hours.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Because you don't have caffeine, you feel more sleepy.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
That you have to do a little bit of a caffeine cleanse to reestablish that.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
So just by narrowing that window, not eating late, which we were talking about earlier, which typically is going to mean that if a lot of people are falling asleep at 10, you're done eating by about seven, six or seven, because you want those three hours that are there. Again, that goes into all the circadian biology of the organ systems, everything like that.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
But you're also saying that in addition to not keeping your glucose and your insulin high, there is an improvement in the brain potentially as well, too.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah, and with the fruit flies and the mice, they also don't have free will to choose how much food they want like human beings do. So this was the power of doing a human study and then following up with individuals.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Why do you think it is that as you get older, your mind is forgetting or cannot easily remember the sleep debt? Is it just the degradation of the brain? In your case, you were saying getting rid of caffeine temporarily for a period of time helped you return to baseline, but you were even saying in older mice that they're not as good as the younger mice.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
in remembering the accumulation of sleep debt. So is there a reason that you think if you had to guess, do you have a hypothesis, an idea about why that's happening?
Dhru Purohit Show
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If you're going to study an older mouse, that's healthy. It's just going to cost way more. More than 12 times. And that's even if they can make sure that it actually stayed healthy.
Dhru Purohit Show
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You know, we recently wrote a newsletter on the topic for my newsletter about the topic of sleep. And we were trying to help people understand that when you chronically do not sleep well, here's all the things that you're at higher risk for, right? We were just sharing the statistics.
Dhru Purohit Show
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And inside of the newsletter, we were very careful to say, like, look, this is not we are making you worry and to scare you. But we're just saying that is a reason why to prioritize sleep.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And we had a lot of people write back and say, just reading this makes me feel more stressed out, right? And we wrote back to individuals and said, look, that's not our goal.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
We don't want to stress you out, but we just want to say, if you end up worrying too much about the perfect diet or this and these other stuff, or you sacrifice other areas at the cost of your sleep, we're just trying to share the truth with you so that you're aware of what's going on.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Now, what I've generally found, especially as you mentioned, for older people, as we age 40 and above, you know, I just turned 40 last year. It's it can be a little bit tricky to figure out the puzzle pieces as to why we're not sleeping. It requires behavior change. It requires, you know, shifting habits. You've mentioned a few here having a consistent bedtime. Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Keeping that three hour window before sleep a little bit longer. Great. If you have. Um, making sure you have those seven hours that are there when you also wake up. I've also heard you say like resisting the urge to go for your phone. It'd be better to just lay there.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Right. And then you could do either a meditation. You could do some form of cognitive behavioral therapy. I mean, there's other tools that are there. Maybe you have some other suggestions, but not immediately jump to the phone because people are awake and they're like, well, I can't go back to sleep. So let me do the phone. But then the phone is shift work.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Right.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And so it creates a cycle and your brain kind of gets used to it. But I find that it takes a little bit of time for people to figure out what are the things that they can do and they have to practice it for a period of time.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And then on top of that, if you are in a relationship, you're sleeping in the bed with somebody else. And if their sleep is disrupted, then that can impact you, too. Yeah. Right. You know, not to mention we haven't even brought up temperature plays a role. I, if I get hot at night, I immediately wake up.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
That for me is like, you know, a big thing, which is why I invest so much into like making sure I have one of those cooling pads. Right. That's, that's been a huge win for me. So I guess I'm saying that, you know, When we have, this was some of the things that were there to pay attention to the habits.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
There was another newsletter, Tessa, maybe you could bring it up where we were talking about, it was a follow-up where we were talking about six crazy facts about sleep. So inside of here, we were saying, number one, among people with Alzheimer's, 60 to 70% have at least one clinical sleep disorder. Poor sleep, number two, poor sleep and circadian rhythm disruptions increase cancer risk.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Three, people who sleep just five hours per night are 4.5 times more likely to catch a cold. And it goes on and on, and we have all the references below. Yeah. So again, this is what people saw and they're saying, this is stressing me out and making me even worry more so about sleep, right? So I'm sure you've heard that before.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Within the context of it taking a little bit of time to dial in all the puzzle pieces, is the answer that if you do wake up or your sleep is disrupted, is the answer to just stay in bed and do your best not to reach for the phone? Is that the answer that you share with people?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Which happens to me every so often too. I feel like I wake up every morning and I feel well rested. But every so often I wake up at like two, I've shared this before in the podcast, I'm still trying to dial it in and I'm up for a little bit.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
So in that instance, you wake up, what's the best thing you can do so that you don't end up becoming that statistic of you're staying up for two hours and now you're shift work?
Dhru Purohit Show
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Do you put your phone, I know a lot of people put their phone outside the room or on the other side of the room.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
So you might have a deadline. Yeah. Something stressful happened that day. Yeah. So you feel like that's that's irregular.
Dhru Purohit Show
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For you.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
So it happens. It's part of life.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
around these clocks yeah it's really fascinating you know when you really get a chance to zoom out we see that the world and the way that nature was set up including the 24-hour cycle of the sun and how it interacts depending on where you live in the body the sun rising and setting that was the foundation of what our biology evolved around yeah
Dhru Purohit Show
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I think another thing that's great too is that For a lot of people, I think, as you mentioned, getting up at night to use the bathroom and then quickly going to sleep, great, not a problem at all. What I find sometimes, and I've noticed this in the last year for me, if I get up because I had a lot of water later on in the day, it's harder for me to fall asleep. If I don't have a lot of water...
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
you know, before bed or even in the last few hours before bed. And I don't get up in the middle of night to use the bathroom. I end up staying asleep the whole way through. So sometimes we have these different trigger points. We just have to find out what that is so that we can adjust accordingly.
Dhru Purohit Show
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MyCircadianClock, just so folks on YouTube can see it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
and now through modern living we're able to eat later we're able to microwave foods later we're able to get processed foods later and a lot of these foods are way more addictive than they ever were hyper palatable i guess is the right word so we're in a situation where
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
We can see now through your example that just by regularly eating late or late at night or right before bed or midnight snacking, as many people do, we can now see that things like acid reflux in your example, why they could be so
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah. No, it's a super important topic. It's difficult for a lot of people to explore that, but then once things get bad enough, and for a lot of people that it is bad enough where they need to start thinking about other strategies.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And I would say that one low cost thing, if a couple is not ready, if you're sleeping in the same bed with somebody else, this wouldn't work for pets, but if you have a partner, I even recommend... that if you're not ready to sleep in separate beds, and right now my wife and I, we sleep in the same bed. We're not in different rooms. We have one big bed.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
California King, we have separate duvet covers. Mine is very light. I need it breathable. I get very hot. And hers is very thick. She gets cold at night. And that's something that's there. And if she tosses and turns, she just pulls her blanket. That's there for her. And then if I toss and turn, I just kind of pull my blanket a little bit. And that's definitely helped both of our sleep scores.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
prevalent among society right what would be another example that's tied to late night eating common things that you see that people are struggling with in their body that they may not understand has to do with circadian biology so one is acid reflux another one could be waking up and not feeling rested yeah right yeah is there anything else that you'd want to mention
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
I track on whoop. She uses an aura ring. And so not having the same duvet has definitely helped with especially the temperature and the tossing and turning on each other's blanket and everything. So that's one little thing that I've found that's helpful. Well, I love how much we've talked about sleep. I feel like that's been super helpful for folks.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Let's just do a little bit of a recap on the sleep side, right? With the caffeine recommendations and everything else, but even add in just what you know about movement, right? Does movement play and does exercise and our circadian biology, does that impact our sleep at all from anything that you're aware of?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
A while back on this podcast, I sat down with a holistic plastic surgeon who told me that one of the best things that you can do for your skin, whether it's wrinkles, fine lines, acne, or overall skin health, is red light therapy.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Since hearing that episode, so many people in my family, including my wife and sisters, have been consistent with their evening red light routine, and the one that they use is the Bond Charge Red Light Face Mask. Red light therapy is a science-backed way to stimulate collagen and elastin production. It
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
So just like we were talking about the importance of having a caffeine cutoff. Yeah. And every so often, maybe once a year, doing a little baseline of returning to no caffeine, even though it's tough, to kind of improve sleep. Getting that morning sunlight, that daytime sunlight. Does it have to be morning or can it be anytime during the day?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
helping to reduce fine lines, wrinkles, and signs of aging while also improving skin texture and overall appearance. But it doesn't just stop at skincare. This mask can also be used to help with sore jaws, migraines, eczema, scar tissue, wound healing, and even relaxation. My family loves the Bond Charge mask because you can switch between both near-infrared and red light in one device.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
So that bright light that comes from outside, not inside, because as bright as it seems in here, even in our studio, it's nothing in comparison, if you measure it, to how bright it is outside. So getting outdoor light during the day, directly on the skin? Is that important?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
That's enough light to stimulate this effect of evening melatonin, which makes it easier for you to fall asleep.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Right, that would let you know like, hey, just like my watch will tell me, hey, you've been sitting for too long. It's time to get up. A watch that would say, hey, we're not seeing enough light exposure. It's time to get a little bit more light.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
It has a sleek, lightweight design that doesn't get too hot on your face. And the best thing is that Bond Charge offers worldwide shipping. a 12 month warranty and easy returns and exchanges. If you ever are not satisfied, you can even use your HSA and FSA funds to purchase this red light mask. So let's talk protocols.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And what should we be shooting for if less than, what percentage gets less than an hour?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And what should we be shooting for?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
My family uses the bond charge red light face mask for 10 to 20 minutes a day while reading, watching TV or winding down at night. It's an easy and convenient way to access the benefits of this therapy from the comfort of your own home. And the results speak for themselves.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And usually outdoor light is a direct reflection of walking, right? If people are going to get light. And the beautiful part about that is you can stack behaviors because people only have so many hours in a day. So we know that movement can help build up sleep pressure, right? And also improve our metabolic health. Walking can improve our metabolic health.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And it's also probably going to be the time that most of us, even on a cloudy day, it's been very cloudy in San Diego and in LA the last month, right? Down there where you guys are too.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And even on a cloudy day, I have to remind myself like, no, there's still so much light that's outside and getting that regular, you know, even just, you know, I understand it's idealistic to expect us all to be able to walk an hour a day, but if you're privileged enough that your schedule can allow it, spending time. And then I'll try to stack that.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
I might call a friend on the phone and I'm talking to them and I'm catching up with a friend or a family member. It's tough, but I sleep so much better when I get that walking and I get that light exposure during the day. And then it's like, it's almost worth it to put in some of that. I'm not saying it's easy, but it definitely feels worth it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
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Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And do you also feel, so we talked about morning light, general daytime exposure, but is there also something to support sleep since we're on that theme? Yeah. Is there also something to seeing evening light? Yeah. That supports our sleep? Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
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Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
I want to go back to movement because you hinted that there could be an optimal time that our body is ready for more strenuous exercise. We've had a lot of people come on this podcast, talk about the importance, especially
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
after the age of 40, like researcher Donald Lehman, who has shared, and you've hinted at it at the beginning of the episode, sarcopenia is a big problem and muscle loss, and how if you don't regularly have muscle stimulation through strength training or something, you can see a decline.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
I think it was 8% every decade after the age of 40 you can have in muscle loss, which can cause a lot of other situations. So when it comes to more strenuous exercise that people are trying to work in to try to hit that 150 minutes a week, you know, that's recommended. What does circadian biology help us understand about the best time to do that?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And generally, would you say for people, just because exercise is so tough for people to be consistent when you look at a national level, especially if we're talking about incorporating in strength training, would you say that the benefits of just getting any regular amount of that, it's like they say two to three times a week when it comes to strength training, if we're looking at that level.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
This is people who already have... maybe a little bit better than the average when it comes to steps. I think the average when it comes to steps is like 4000, right? And I think less than 6000 is considered sedentary lifestyle, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
So if you are semi active, which a lot of listeners are here and they're really starting to pay attention to, hey, I'm trying to get that strength training component because I want to avoid losing muscle mass as I get older. Generally speaking,
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
because everything's a pros and con, it's still gonna benefit you from just getting in that training anytime you can in the day because the overall benefit to maintaining muscle mass. Now, that being said, pay attention to your performance. I personally used to wake up just because the schedule, I'd go to the gym at like seven o'clock. I'd just get it done. I'd feel like, oh, I'm great.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
I'm good to go. As my workouts have gotten tougher, I'm working out with a group here in Los Angeles that does heavy strength training. As my workouts have gotten tougher, a few days, I just had to naturally end up scheduling my workouts later in the day, like take a break from all my meetings and everything, or maybe after a podcast, and I'd go in at like one o'clock.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
my trainer would just say like, I don't know, maybe you slept better last night. You're just performing better. And I think for me, it's just the combination of all the things you mentioned. My body's warmer. I feel a bunch of different things, but I just perform better. I'm able to lift more weights. I'm able to do more reps if it's a little bit later in the day compared to in the morning. Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
But that being said, that's just me. And we probably know based on circadian biology, that's probably gonna be a lot of people. But in general, for most folks who are listening, who have fought very hard to excise regularly, you know, just get that exercise in and then you can tweak long term.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Okay. Yep. Even so, the East Coast team has the home court advantage.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah, I love it. You know, I want to reference a tweet that you shared. This was a few weeks, like a couple of months ago, April 17th. I follow you on Twitter, so I see all your stuff. And when this came out, I was like, we have to write a newsletter about this. So I wrote a newsletter. I linked to your site. I credit you.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
But for those that are listening on audio, if you're on YouTube, we'll show the tweet over here and I'll just read it out here. So it says, exercise is the best insurance against cancer. Again, off the topic of exercise that we're talking about here. The premium is only 30 minutes of exercise a day.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And you ended up tweeting and sharing this graphic from a study, I believe it was, talking about, actually, maybe you can explain it a little bit. What is this graphic over here showing and what made you want to share this with your audience?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah. Are you familiar with the seed and soil theory hypothesis of cancer? That idea that sort of the environment... Yeah. combination of metabolic health, insulin, other things, the environment has shifted and creates the right stage. Jason Fung has written a book about this. Some other people have written about this.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And so now you have a healthy cell, but now in an environment that's, you know, I'm dumbing down, right? You have an environment that's changed and a healthy cell that was healthy now becomes cancerous out of an evolutionary adaptation to survive in this new sort of setting.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And so just from the basics that I understand, it's very interesting because muscle, as you mentioned, it's the largest organ in the body. And it's also the biggest user of... of glucose, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Totally.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Pretty much, I guess the moral of the story is everybody can benefit from regular exercise. And in here, in this study that you were sending out specifically about cancer, I do think it's important because we're even telling people, hey, listen, any amount of exercise is going to be good. But what they were finding out is that at least 30 minutes a day
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
At least 30 minutes a day, right? So just, great, we want to encourage walking, we want to encourage a lot of different things, but if we're looking for the cancer fighting components of exercise, at least in this study, it's 30 minutes a day.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Oh, that's great. That's a great reminder. Because again, it's not about being perfect.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
It's about just getting to that total 150 minutes. Yeah. Right? Just getting that on a consistent basis.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah. No, that's great. That's a really great reminder. You know, going back to this idea of the collaboration that you were talking about where...
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
the researcher at GW found and led to the legislation in California, if you had to zoom out and you looked at sort of what's going on on a national level, even in a global level, as all the cities around the world have become industrialized and we all want the Western lifestyle and the food and the diet and we're all up late night playing video games and phones and other things, in addition to sleep, because we talked about sleep, if you could
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
change the work environment a little bit or the school environment or add to the knowledge that we have around circadian biology again which your lab has been a big proponent of what would be some other things on a national level that you would implement with your magic wand that you feel would have the biggest bang for the buck yeah so let's start from um
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Not to mention the long-term impact that it could be helping them develop better, have less incidences, complications as they get older.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
It's horrific. For anybody who's had a family member in late stages or anybody in the ICU, it's almost like sleep torture. Yeah. Things are beeping. Yeah. Right? Not to mention the challenges with... continuity of care, right? And just the normal medical system that's there. And as you mentioned, it's bright so that you literally feel you cannot sleep if you're in the ICU.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
For anybody who's had a family, unfortunately, you know, my heart goes out to you. I've had a few and it's almost like sleep torture amongst them.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah, the only thing we're not doing is waterboarding them.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
The third thing that happens is when- And just to make sure I understood that correctly, and you're kind of recapping for our audience, so that regular, we're not talking about occasionally people eating. And the tendency is that at late night, people want highly palatable, salty, sugary types things. They want chips, which again- are types of foods that, again, that are not the ketogenic route.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And they're much better at temperature regulation, which is why people didn't want glass in the first place is because it's both fragile, but also it leaks and it's harder to be green certified if you want the building green certified. But as you mentioned, there's been a lot of development in that space.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
They contain a lot of starches. Starches are broken down as sugars inside your body. And not only are you inhibiting your melatonin production, which is going to throw off your sleep, you're also keeping your blood glucose around higher longer, which has all sorts of downstream effects.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And they keep on bringing you food or drink or whatever.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
These all sound like such simple interventions, but as you mentioned, accumulated over a period of time in our life, in our human life, starting from the ICU, all the way, I'm sorry, from the NICU all the way down to the ICU and in between. these simple things have such a profound impact.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And as you mentioned, we're only scratching the surface right now of how deep it goes and what's possible for us when we are reconnected to the earth, which means having regular exposure in any way we can. We're not going to go back to the Paleolithic age.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
No, no.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
In any way that we can in the modern age to help our body actually live in harmony the way that it was designed to do.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
It's just fascinating because I feel like we're in this time period. And you were, a few months ago, you were on the Huberman podcast. And he's done a great job with this. We're in this time and place in life where if we're going to help wellness become mainstream, it has to be what are the things that are low cost, no cost.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And what are the things that everybody, sure, not everybody in every situation, there might have to be some navigating, but with some navigating and with the help of society, some public health measures, et cetera, that generally we should be able to create a society where these things are all possible.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
It shouldn't be that we have to only rely on drugs, not that there aren't great reasons for drugs, you know, or that everybody has to have access to these therapeutics or whatever it is, but that these basic things can fundamentally create an incredibly healthy society. Because right now we're seeing this divergent society. Some people Because they're able to do these things.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
They have the knowledge, they have the access, they listen to podcasts. They're getting very healthy, very resilient. It's a small percentage of the population. And then everybody else is getting very unhealthy, very overweight, very obese. Type 2 diabetes, you know, I was reading the statistics by 20, I think it's like 25. I forgot the exact number. We'll look it up. We'll put in the show notes.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Even if the calories are the same, chronic late night eating could be or is. Is it could or is? Could. contributing to weight gain.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
But how many Americans would have two to three chronic diseases that they're dealing with? Diabetes and Alzheimer's or whatever it might be. So it's very scary, but it's very hopeful because until now in this modern day information age that we're in, and you've done such a great job about it, you write books, you go on podcasts, you never could hear from researchers like yourself, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
And maybe if you go and you see... Maybe if they were lucky, a thousand people read their study.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Right. Now more people have access to this and we are all the change that is setting up a different future, you know, standing on your shoulders of people like you that are actually doing the work of it. Yeah. But it's incredible what is possible. There's still a lot of work to do. And as you mentioned, many times we're just barely at the surface.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
But I definitely feel more hopeful than ever that we can create a different society than exists right now, a society of disease. It's almost like if you wanted to create disease, if you wanted to create a world where everybody got disease, you would be doing exactly what we're doing. You'd have them eat anytime they want to, all the way up to midnight, midnight snacking.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Chips, ice cream, no restriction on any kind of calories, all the majority of calories from liquid calories or ultra processed foods. Their sleep is messed up. They're not exercising. They're sedentary. That's the perfect recipe for disease. And that's exactly what we're doing right now in our society. And we have to wind back from that.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Yeah, it's so fascinating because then it also helps many people understand how they feel like they're caught in a vicious cycle. Yeah, because when you eat late at night and your glucose stays up and your insulin stays up again, chronically, we're not talking about the one or two times that people do that occasionally just to live your normal life that you're doing.
Dhru Purohit Show
Supercharge Your Sleep and Improve Your Longevity Using the Power of Intermittent Fasting & Circadian Biology (Rebroadcast)
Which one of those is more, if somebody has to shift work and they need to advocate for themselves, and there's many situations where people can't, they just have to do that. Two questions about that. Which one is more detrimental? Is it more detrimental to the nurse example that you had or the cop that has like, you mentioned in healthcare, right? So that's one example.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Courtney, welcome to the podcast.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Well, we'll try to get out of this episode ASAP. And I'm sure by the time this episode gets out, we'll know if he was confirmed or not. So let's see what happens at that time. But I think that there's something that's important along with it is that, you know, this movement's not going to stop of people caring about it, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And it might have different voices that are at the helm, but whoever that voice is at the helm, if it doesn't happen with them, it's going to happen with somebody else. Like you cannot put this movement back in the bag, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
From the ground up. I think the other beneficial thing is that when you have an election like we just had, regardless of how people who are listening voted, and if you saw that a big reason that one of the sides won, you know, it seems to be that a big reason that Trump did win is you had the whole Bobby Kennedy contingency of individuals who were
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
I watched, I kind of caught a little bit late because I had something in the morning, but I came in at a very contentious moment. It got pretty contentious with a few senators.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
big supporters of him and by, by therefore a big supporter of, Hey, why is the chronic disease epidemic happening? The hope is that everybody pays attention to that. I want to see that as everybody's platform in the future, right? Democrats, independents, Republicans, like,
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Let's get everybody making this a standard thing, the same way that everybody talks about the economy and maybe they have different solutions of how to address it. I feel like chronic disease finally had its moment of, hey, let's figure out what's going on. And especially childhood chronic disease, which just seems to be our biggest issue that we're dealing with right now.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
So, you know, a big part of this is that people shifting their minds and kind of weird bedfellows. You know, Bobby Kennedy used to be a Democrat and was running for president as a Democrat and then kind of got into this other side of things so that he can move forward his movement. And people don't even know how to feel about this sometimes. But I like to bring it back to the individual.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Let's first start before we get into politics again. Let's talk about your own story and journey. You've been talking about this for a long time. What were some of the key early moments that led to you asking questions of like, what the is going on?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Shout out to your mom.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
When you were digging into things and you had your sort of red pill moment of seeing like, you know, our food is not exactly what they're telling us it is. What were some of the top foods that would come up consistently that it's like, were there things that showed up regularly that this was a problem? That like this is the most adulterated food category or food type?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Was there anything like that that was coming up for you? The brand I take is Momentous Creatine. Their creatine is sourced from CrePure, the purest form of creatine monohydrate available and the gold standard of creatine. It's a single sourced ingredient from Germany with no additives, sweeteners, or other ingredients.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
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Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
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Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Yeah. And my sort of fear is that even for us that are generally healthy, right? You, me, the people that are listening to this podcast, it's gotten so bad that the more that we dig into it, it's like even healthy food has gotten really corrupt, right? I know. But I don't know if you recently saw this. It kind of went viral on Twitter a few weeks ago. But there's a former founder, CEO.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
He's made a bunch of money in tech. And through his own money, he put in a half a million dollars to basically take the foods that he was eating on a regular basis and study them for microplastics and plastics exposure. Did you see this? And they made a whole website about this.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Yeah, plasticlist.org. And one of the crazy things is, yeah, some of the top offenders, you'd be like, okay, I can kind of see. There was, I think one of the worst offenders was like Bubba T. Bubba T? Bubba T?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
I guess the kids are all drinking to these days. And you had an entire year and a half's worth of BPA exposure from one serving of boba tea that he found at his local sort of boba shop in San Francisco. But then you go down the list, like the third most concentrated form of microplastics was Whole Foods grass fed ribeye. So I went down a whole rabbit hole on this.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And I'm like, why is it that grass-fed ribeye has all these plastics that are there? And I was searching on Twitter and Googling. And this one guy, he made this tweet that a bunch of people retweeted. He's like, look, I have a bunch of friends that are farmers. I'll link to it below. I'm paraphrasing. So And we'll show an image on here.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And a lot of the haystacks, he's like, a lot of the haystacks that are out there for a lot of these larger scale farms, they're all wrapped in this cellophane, this plastic wrap. And sometimes farmers will literally throw it out there on the field without even taking that plastic wrap off. I suppose is that the...
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
You know, the cows are basically eating the hay and that's, they're being served with the cellophane on. Now, is it that, is it the industrial standards? But it really made me feel, cause I'm not going to stop eating grass fed beef or pasture raised stuff. At the end of the day, you're just trying to make the right choices that are there for you. It made me feel like this problem is so bad.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
You know, if you look at the history of Bobby, it's like for a long time, he was a darling of the left because he was going after all these companies that were polluting the environment, the Hudson River that were sort of using corporate capture as a way to skirt around regulation. And then, you know, we've gone through this big period where largely, you know, we've had this sort of
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
We actually have no clue how bad it is. And every year it's gonna get worse. And even healthy companies, They don't know because we don't really even have standards. He even talks about on the website how difficult it was for them to come up with a standardizing methodology for testing for microplastics.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Because not all labs have the capabilities. It's tough. So the fact that a guy is spending a half a million dollars of his own money to actually figure out what's going on in the foods that he's eating regularly. And there's plenty of other people that were on that list that are generally brands that are trying to do the right thing.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And so I believe that people largely, you know, is everybody that works at big food a bad person? No, it's just the system has gotten so out of control and we've gotten so used to the way that things are.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
We really do need a little bit of, you know, national support and consumer awareness to kind of get people to actually work together to see what the is actually happening so we can create different standards. It's kind of like... you know, it's our silent Springs moment, right? Is that the name of the book? Silent Springs, the canary in the coal mine, whatever the book was named.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
I'll look it up in a second, but it's our moment of realizing like this, this has gotten out of control, especially in a global food supply. And we need to do something about this to figure out what's happening.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Yeah. You know, the answer a lot for two things I want to share about that. The answer a lot from, you know, representatives of big food is like, look, we're just making what the population wants.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
That's what the population wants. And at the end of the day, our goal is to make profits. If people want to buy other stuff, we'll start making other stuff that's there, but this is what people are buying, right? I've heard different people's answers on that, but what do you say about that when you hear that type of thing?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
legacy media is brought to you by Pfizer, brought to you by Merck, brought to you by all the pharmaceuticals. And they have completely one-sided the conversation. Anybody who's honest about his work or even he himself, sure, there might be some things that He hasn't gotten right fully, but it was an important part of the conversation or starting it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Yeah, it's so tough because the people who, actually it's not tough, but some people make it seem tough. The people who are largely impacted by food being ultra processed and also in combination of maybe lack of healthcare, et cetera, are the individuals on the end of the low economic totem pole.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And those are the people the most that need solutions, right? Could be community-based solutions, could be hospital, quote unquote, pharmacies with an F. It could be all sorts of different things. It actually was coming initially from like the Republican side of things.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
But the idea that we can't even have this conversation about the role of pharmaceutical companies and health and the role of big pharma and how it's shutting down so many things that were labeled as conspiracies later to found out as true, it's kind of nuts.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
It was like, you're going to tell all these lower income people in my community, regardless of where that community is, what to eat and what not to eat. That's like a nanny state, right? And I feel like at least now there's this awareness that like, hey- It's not a nanny state to tell people that smoking is bad for you and that you can't smoke in certain areas, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
In that same way, food has a massive impact on our body. We have to get involved if we want our citizens to actually be healthy. And especially when it comes to kids, you know, I was just in Japan in November with my wife and And, you know, we were talking to so many different people about what's it like to live in this community? What is it like for your kids to go to school?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And they were telling us like, you know, our kids' school has a nutritionist and the schools are mandated to make food from scratch every day for the kids. And then some schools, not every school, but some schools, kids even have to participate Every school almost kids have to participate in like the cleaning process and other stuff.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
But even some schools, the kids were involved in like the making of the food or the gardens or, you know, being involved in that process. Like that's kind of the renaissance that we need to this degree.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And he showed the kids avocado and they didn't know what avocado was.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
It's really nuts. Okay. So give me your hot take on what else you felt from today's hearing and what's your gut instinct? Is it going to be confirmed? Is he not going to be confirmed?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Yeah. So what are some of the solutions? What are the things that you talk about in addition to, you know, supporting the work of people like Bobby Kennedy and the hope that knock on wood, he gets confirmed? What are some of the solutions that you talk about in this space?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
You know, you were saying earlier how it's hard for you to imagine that people would be against any of this, right? When I look at, like, my friends that are still living very healthy lives but were against either the Maha movement or Bobby Kennedy – or anything in that sort of classification, these were the things that came up.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And I wanted to see if you dealt with this at all when you were sort of doing your advocacy work. The first thing is basically just, hey, the association to Trump. At one point in time, Bobby was running his own campaign. And he was going for presidency himself.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And through a combination of a bunch of different things, there was the awareness that this isn't going to fly because of being suppressed from speaking on the national stage and debates and other stuff like that. And it was like his campaign was at a crossroads of what do we do? And then there was the whole meeting and connection and everything that happened.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
It sounds like Callie Means, maybe Don Jr. And eventually getting into sort of the, is there a coalition of the Trump community and the Maha movement that Bobby was starting? So the first thing that showed up was, how could you go for somebody like Trump with everything that he stands for, the people that were feeling in that lens?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And largely, I would say that was coming from a community of individuals. that largely felt that this election came down to women's rights and abortion access and that whole conversation that was happening there. Did you find yourself in the midst of that at all?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
I felt like he handled himself extremely well.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
of the chronic disease epidemic in this country that is where i want to align myself because whoever is doing that then i'm i'm paying attention to them i'm supporting them right now yeah it's funny how many people feel that way but are sort of afraid to sort of speak up about it even i would i say i'm just thinking this out right now there are i i largely have an incredible family you know
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
ton of amazing women. I have like 18 first cousins. The vast majority are women and I have two incredible sisters. And I also have the sense of I'm okay with however anybody else voted. And at the same time too, You can be okay with however I voted because we all have different things that we care about. And that doesn't negate where we're coming from.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And that doesn't mean that we're trying to put our ideas on you. And I think that largely we were sort of set up in these camps through the media of feeling like we can't be, we can't have multiple parts to ourself. There's a lot of people that vote for all sorts of different things as their main issue.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
I could see a lot of other things that could be a lot worse than feeling like you're voting because you care about the chronic disease epidemic, right? I don't know if you know the work at all of like Beth Lambert. I don't think so. She's been sort of putting herself out there a little bit more. She was on a few podcasts. We flew her out to LA. She's been doing some early studies.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
They did like a twin study about putting twins who both were on the autism spectrum and One was on one diet. One was on another diet. They have been putting together a lot of case studies. I forgot the organization's name, but we'll put in the show notes. We did a whole podcast interview with her and I asked her the question.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
I said, you know, what do you say to people who feel, because this is right before the election, that you're being played? This is like lip service. This is a president who now is in office, who's eating McDonald's and loves Coca-Cola and other stuff. And she's like, I don't care whoever's talking about it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And also too, if they go back on what they promised, you better believe that the moms that are out there are the first people that are going to speak up.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Right. Because they're not beholden to just a tribe because they feel like, oh, I'm a Republican or I'm a Democrat. And I'm absolutely only going to vote with this group, regardless of what they do. If they stop making progress on the things that we care about, we're going to be the first group to speak up about it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
We're recording this on a kind of a pretty important day. Do you want to tell our audience what's happening today?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
For you on a personal level, what was the response like to your testifying at that Senate hearing on Capitol Hill? Actually, what was the formal title for the event that you spoke at?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
What was it like to talk there? And then what was the response like?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Publicly, like what kind of people reached out to you? Privately, what kind of people reached out to you?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Well, tell us what it was like. I mean, some of the videos from that have gone viral. We'll link to them in the show notes. You put them on your YouTube page and everything.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Yeah. Talk about some of the other people that were part of that. And, you know, it sounds like you guys have become, you've known some of them and you've become friends with some of them as well, too. I know Food Babe was there, Max LeGouvier, Will Cole. Like, are you guys in touch on a regular basis to continue to spread this forward?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
What were you talking about?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Well, you know, sometimes people look at this and they're like, okay, these things are nice, but what is really the action? And already there's been some action.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
You know, the Biden administration before they left office felt so much pressure by this focus and movement and everything that's happening that largely Bobby Kennedy put the spotlight on, but that individuals like you, Vani Hari have been doing for years that actually before he left office, red 40 was banned. Can you talk about that a little bit?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Was it Red 3 they banned?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Yeah, he showed up really strong.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
But the fact that they did it was a pretty big deal. For an outgoing president, you know, and all that stuff and the awareness that Bernie Sanders created, like that was a huge deal. And it would have only come, you know, because there was pressure from all the people that were, you know, doing the work that they were doing, including yourself.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Yeah, I'm sure you saw it firsthand because you're in it. But inside of the larger health community, which all people have a lot of different opinions inside of that group and community as they should. Hey, this isn't going to do jack shit for people's health. I'm sure you saw that criticism of people that were out there. And I'll tell you my thoughts on it. And I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
It's like, we actually have no idea how all these chemicals combine together. And largely, if you are an individual that's getting a lot of red three in your diet, you probably have other diets. So this is really a momentum conversation. Can you build enough momentum that even the people at the agency start to feel like, hey, look, we're doing something and we should be taking a look at it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And it's not just complacency because these things have been out there and we don't want to ruffle any feathers in big food. So we're not going to touch it. We're not even going to address it. So this was largely the way that I see it is like you're building momentum inside of this community.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And also too, the people that are the lowest end of eating the most processed food, who knows how much of the toxins in their lifestyle are coming from this one particular thing, red three, which I misspoke and I said red 40 in the beginning.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
there tomorrow and be like okay everything's gone we're gonna get all rid of all the additives and all the fillers i mean we have to start somewhere right and so i believe that this is starting somewhere you know there's a book that was written a few years ago i don't know if you came across it but it's a guy uh he's a professor at harvard and he's also a medical doctor yeah his name is john abrams and the book is called sickening i believe is the name of it i'm
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
I'm not sure. This guy, kind of like Bobby Kennedy, he's been an expert witness. Obviously, Bobby Kennedy has been on the litigation side and suing big pharma, big food, et cetera. But this gentleman, he was a researcher who was looking at a lot of the data around drug companies. And it's a fascinating read because he has so many years of this experience. And
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
What he realized as he started to go in and be called upon as an expert witness for people that were having reactions to mostly pharmaceuticals is that there was a super inconvenient truth in the world of pharmaceutical drug development, which is that anytime you hear the term hey, that drug is peer-reviewed or we had a peer-review research on this drug and this pharmaceutical.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
The thing that most people don't know, even doctors don't know this, is that when those peer reviewers actually get the data for a drug of, hey, does this drug work? What are the side effects? What are the implications? What is not good about it? they only get a sanitized version of the data. They never get the raw data.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
So this was something that came up in the beginning of COVID, which was when the vaccines first were being rolled out, you know, one of the important questions that a lot of people that were in the deep know were saying is that, hey, all these drug companies are saying 99.9% effective. Yeah. We actually don't know. Why don't we know? Is because we don't have access to the raw data.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
The raw data is considered an intellectual property because drug companies are afraid. If other people had access to the raw data, could they come up with other derivatives or other uses of the drugs themselves? So where this showed up is that there was a drug, it was a blockbuster drug called- Vioxx? Vioxx, yeah. And John Abrams was-
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
part of the whole trials and the expert witness on that case, because once he started to get access to the information, he saw that all these deaths that were associated from taking this drug were being sort of swept under the rug. And it's estimated that 50 to 60,000 people died early in because they were taking this drug.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And the reason I bring it up is that there's a lot of things that we actually don't know about that are inherently sort of baked into the system. It could be with food. It could be with regulation of pharmaceuticals. And when you start looking at the actual data, just like your mom was telling you early about trans fats, the story of trans fats is crazy. I wrote a whole newsletter about it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
There was a researcher named Fred Kummerow, I'll link to in the show notes, who for years was sounding the alarm because trans fats are literally the most deadly fat that we have. And he was seeing firsthand that we had so much data that was out there that it was causing clogging of the arteries, and immediate death when people had large exposure to it. And he had the data for 10, 20 years. And
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
nobody was paying attention. Like this was from multiple different groups that were out there that were all that he was sourcing this data from. And he was talking to anybody who would listen. And it just took years and years and years. And then finally, you know, I don't remember exactly the conclusion because I wrote the story a while ago.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Yeah, talk about it and talk about yourself in the context of it. If some people know you've been part of the Maha movement, you've been raising awareness, you went to Capitol Hill, you've Long before that, you've been a food advocate for a long time, helping people understand what's really in our food, sounding the alarm, why it needs to be a national conversation.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Finally, you know, the powers that be were like, okay, we cannot ignore this anymore anymore. everybody's talking about this situation.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
So I think we're in kind of one of those moments where we're realizing how many layers of protection have been built in to protect the companies and to not inconvenience them in pharmaceutical, in food, in all different aspects of life that we actually need to shine the spotlight on so that people can wake up and say, hey, let's do this differently. In fact, going back to this John Abramson book,
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
When he was talking about this early on, there was some talk of the medical journals, the editor of the medical journals coming together and saying, let's ban this practice. If we're going to write about this drug and its potential benefits... or it's negative stuff and write about it in our journal. We need to have access to the entire amount of data that's there, the full raw data.
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Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Nuts.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
I believe they even published a joint letter and then unfortunately, completely obviously unrelated, so nobody calls me a conspiracy theorist. Unfortunately, a few months later, September 11th happened and the entire world was focused on a completely different conversation. So it just kind of got buried under the rug. But these are some of the things that we all have to pay attention to.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And if you would go to most doctors and say, hey, when you hear about peer review, what does that mean? Oh, somebody gets the data. They look at it. They see, is this drug actually good? Is it not good? No, you get a sanitized report from the drug companies. It's largely going to make a drug look good. And you are going to be writing your review based on that data, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
I think anybody who actually knows that that was the case of how it was happening would say, huh, something doesn't sound right about that situation.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Wow. Well, the janitor, I looked it up for your reference, Dwayne Lee Johnson.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Well, this is a special moment and I feel like there's an opportunity that's here and you've been a huge part of that moment that's there and you and your friends and even a lot of our listeners who have been paying attention to this topic for years. And even if you're not vocal about it, you care about this topic. You've been sharing podcast episodes with people.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
It's crazy how mainstream health has gotten. Everybody is focused on health. And unfortunately, it's A big part of that is because so many people are sick and hurting and have all sorts of childhood diseases that are out there. But it really feels like this is an opportunity to like change things around. So I feel really excited.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
So for you, what do you feel like is next with the stuff that you want to talk about? You know, you've mentioned your podcast and your brand a couple of times, but just explain a little bit your sort of world and what you're involved in right now.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Amazing. Anything that you can kind of share with this high level or you want to keep it close to the chest until you're ready to put it out there?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
So a little bit of your story and also like an advocacy guide.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Yeah, that's awesome. You know, I feel like the more awareness and long format podcasts have been a big part of this conversation, the more awareness that people have, the more that this thing, we're not waiting for somebody to cover it on like the nightly news. There's only so much stuff that you can cover on the nightly news.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And also there's only so much stuff you can cover on like a short social media clip. So like shout out to all the people that get their information from podcasts or podcasts are part of how they get information because a lot of these conversations wouldn't be happening without, you know, podcasts and these long format opportunities.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Yeah, it's just another perspective. I think anytime any group of people, and this can happen even in our space of wellness, right? Everybody is...
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
is uh capable of falling into groupthink and you only look at things one way and anytime you get a different voice a diversity of thought in there to look at things in a different perspective there were so many journalists that said that they wanted to explore the origins of covid
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
There's even in sort of NIH funding, I've had many researchers that have been on this podcast, this was during the pandemic, that were very honest with me and said, listen, I'm here to talk about this, but don't ask me about these topics because it can jeopardize my funding.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
If my colleagues see it, and it's a very competitive space in academia, and you're asking about this taboo topic, even if I have nuanced thoughts about it, it could put me in a bind and a situation. where all of a sudden I'm not able to do the research that's there, which I'm empathetic towards. For sure. I'm empathetic towards people in that situation.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
So anybody can get involved in groupthink and get into a situation where they feel like they're worried about questioning certain items. And so anytime you bring in a diversity of thought, people from different backgrounds or experiences, All of a sudden, I think you open up the conversation a little bit further.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
I saw this. It was kind of funny. Joe Rogan, I think, tweeted the other day that CNN's – did you see this CEO of the year?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Okay, so CNN has a CEO of the year, and guess who it was?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
It was the CEO of Pfizer.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
It was the CEO of the year. That's a little ironic, a little funny.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Which also Fox is a part of that, too.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Well, I'm super excited. You know, this podcast will hopefully come out in a couple of days. We'll see what's going on. With Bobby Kennedy, the Maha movement, regardless of what happens, I feel so hopeful. But the wish and the hope is that he can actually move forward, which I know there's a lot of people...
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
are listening today in my audience just like i'm sure you have an audience that view things differently and they may feel that bobby in particular that he's a threat to things you know i will put you know one that's came up during the hearings that's been circulating a lot on social media as well is people are blaming him for this measles outbreak that happened in i believe it was samoa
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And a great article that was written on this that walks through the exact timeline and a video to accompany it is Dr. Vinay Prasad, who is somebody who is a major vaccine advocate. who's come out largely endorsing Bobby because there are a lot of corruption aspects to the way that research is conducted.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
So if that's something that you believed in, you know, I would watch that video and he will walk you through the timeline and help you understand a little bit. But again, I think zooming out large in that We can learn from each other and we don't have to agree on everything.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
But if you've made it this far in this conversation, I applaud you because sometimes the most uncomfortable thing is, and I've done it many times in my own life, is listening to a different perspective. And seeing that maybe actually these beliefs that you had about something, you don't actually believe that way anymore. I've had many of those moments.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
I'm sure you've had many of those moments yourself.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
I've changed my mind on how I approach food. I largely was like super into like plant based and me too. Right. Coming from the world of I was doing like a strict raw food diet for like six years. Oh, my God.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Yeah. So there's so many things that I tried that I changed my mind on and you evolve and you grow and you get into different aspects. And I would hope that for anybody, I don't want anybody to be, including myself, stuck to any one perspective. So if you've made it this far in this conversation, I applaud you.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Courtney, let's leave the audience with some actionable takeaways about some things that might be topical and relevant to what we're going on right now. You know, you used to live in LA. Right now, a big conversation in LA where I live is people talking about air quality, which isn't just an issue because of the fires. It's an issue sort of all over.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
We've had individuals that have come on this podcast like Dr. Ray Dorsey, who is a researcher, one of the top researchers into Parkinson's disease. And he's been sounding the alarm that air quality seems to be a major contributor to Parkinson's disease. In addition to... tetrachlorohydrin, tetrachlorohydrin, which is a common dry cleaning agent, as well as pesticides that are there.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
In fact, Bobby Kennedy was on the Senate hearing today talking about how he was chatting with, I don't know if it was him or Senator, I can't remember who it was. They were talking about how a bunch of farmers have been getting Parkinson's disease In fact, Terry Walsh, do you know Terry Walsh?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
She's a medical doctor who developed an autoimmune condition, progressive MS, super bad case of MS. And she feels that a huge part of that was literally her exposure to pesticides her entire life. She used to take her hand, roll up her sleeve, and go into a bucket of pesticides and mix it with her hands on the farm.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Yeah. And I think, you know, when you look at all these senators that are taking money from pharmaceutical companies, I would say that that's one piece of it. Another piece of it is just the general group think that you will get ostracized from this group if you go against it. And listen, that happens on the left. That happens on the right. That's the nature. Yeah. of politics that are there.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
So, you know, we're waking up to the toxic sort of air crisis that's going on, even if you're not being exposed to wildfires. Any tips that you want to share with the audience that are related to that category?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Yeah, it is possible to think about health, but not be worrying about it all day.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
You just set some basic systems up. I mean, you and I, we talk about this stuff, so we're thinking about it a lot. You're obviously doing a lot of advocacy, so you're thinking about it all the time. But most of my friends, like my men's group that I'm part of here in Los Angeles-
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
They all live a really healthy life and they just are focused on everything else, but they pay attention to it because when you have health, you have the energy and the focus and the attention and the stamina to give love and attention to everything else that matters in your life. When you don't pay attention to health, you're constantly...
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
thinking about your health because you don't feel good and you don't have the energy to give love and attention to volunteering or helping out with your kid's school or building that new business or writing that novel that's there. So it is possible to think about health, but not obsess about health. And that's what we're talking about today.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
But it's so tough in this moment when I think literally one of the quotes from him from the hearing today was like, this isn't a Republican issue. This isn't a Democrat issue. This is just something that we can, we should all just care about. And it's made for interesting bedfellows. You know, I have so many of my friends, regardless of their views on politics, especially the younger you get.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Great. I think that's a good message to conclude on. How can people keep in touch with you? And again, just remind us about your podcast.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Amazing. We'll link to all that in the show notes. I'm glad we got a chance to meet in person. Thanks for all your advocacy and the work that you're doing to keep us all healthy. And I'm going to be following along.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Thank you.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
I think the older you get, it's a little bit different. We'll talk about that in a second. But no matter how they think about so many things, they largely feel very hopeful and excited about the Maha movement and the fact that there are people that are driving awareness because so many of them are dealing with all sorts of stuff.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
They're dealing with, I can't tell you how many friends I have that are dealing with some version of infertility.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Right. And that's not putting it all on pharmaceutical companies. That's even just environmental toxins, xenoestrogens, microplastics, a whole host of things. For sure, there is the general movement that we have to acknowledge that, you know, women and couples are having babies later on. Yeah. Right. That plays a role into that component too. Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
But something else is going on in the background and we don't fully understand the story. So infertility, autoimmune, right? I, I myself, I haven't even talked about this in the podcast this that much, but last year I went in for an MRI, just like, like a standard sort of thing, like a whole body MRI scan.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
But bring us up until this point. What's your role and how have you been involved with this movement? And what do you think about everything that's going on?
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Actually it was two years ago and some stuff showed up and I actually had, it was with Pernuvo. I'm not affiliated with them, but we had the CEO on the podcast to talk about it. I had two little tiny brain lesions show up for me and we couldn't tell at the time if they were inflamed or not because the scan was, without contrast. So you don't see if they're inflamed, if they're not inflamed.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
So talk to a bunch of functional medicine doctors that I work with. And they were like, Hey, pay attention to this, take a look at it, you know, monitor. So I was monitoring it. And I did some more scans later on. And some information came back that I'm working with a great doctor here, you know, knock on wood, I'm healthy.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
I don't have any symptoms, but I basically found out that I have some background autoimmune activity that's going on that led to some of these lesions. And it took me a whole investigation piece into it. And it's like, I'm healthy. I work out. I do other stuff. It's like, we found out there's a major environmental trigger and component that's there.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
So autoimmune stuff, infertility, a whole host of things that are going on. Like people, young people, or like everybody that I know, even healthy people, they're dealing with all sorts of shit. We have no idea the implications of everything that's going on. And we all got to like wake the fuck up. Did you know that we pretty much spend one third of our life sleeping? That's right, one third.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
So wouldn't that mean that we should invest in the place that we sleep in the most? I'm talking about a high quality, toxin-free mattress. So many experts that I've talked to on this podcast have shared that your mattress can actually be one of the most toxic items in your home. And we should do something about it because we spend so much time sleeping on it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
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Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
First off, with Birch, I'm avoiding a ton of VOCs and off-gassing chemicals that most other mattress companies emit and that mess with the quality of my sleep and yours too. Secondly, I can sleep better at night knowing that I'm supporting a company that does right by their employees and the environment. I'll tell you firsthand, that's near to impossible to find at a traditional mattress store.
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Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
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Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
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Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
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Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
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Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
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Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
I think that's part of it, but I think another part of it, too, and obviously we can't throw an entire generation as the generation that polluted us. No, of course. Who knows what people will blame us for in our generation. That's fair, that's fair, that's fair. Right? They'll be like, all those... Microplastics. Why the hell did you wear the Lululemon? Why did you wear the aloe yoga? Right.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
But I think the feeling is, if I would put it on the political landscape, is that a lot of young people, one of their most important things that they feel like they care about is chronic disease.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And I don't want to typecast because every generation has different people that vote differently and view things differently. But I would generally say that I think that the older you are, the more likely you are to listen to traditional media. And if somebody told you that this person's bad, you're more likely to just sort of believe it and not question it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And we saw something this past week because we have a lot of individuals that are sort of afraid of of the Maha movement and what Bobby represents. And obviously this major support that he's gotten from Cali Means and people like yourself and Vani Hari, they're afraid. So you saw this across the landscape sort of attack.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
You have everything from the Wall Street Journal, which came out hard against him, to his own family, Caroline Kennedy, and a lot of the liberal sort of media outlets. And then you have people that are paying attention That are thinking a little bit more independently. Even individuals like the billionaire Patrick, I forgot his last name, but he's the owner of the LA Times.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
Patrick Soon, I believe his name is.
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
And he's a developer of cancer medications. And he's been coming out. And he's like, you know, I met Bobby recently. And... Our cancer epidemic and our toxins epidemic, it's crazy. And like, we don't know what's going on. We have to be willing to put our differences aside and say that we're willing to study this. And the challenge is if you don't come as an outsider to look at these things, you're
Dhru Purohit Show
Behind the Scenes of the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Movement with Food Activist Courtney Swan
you sort of just feel that everything is the way that it is because it's the way that it is. You're afraid of upsetting anybody. Everybody has some constituency that has some major supporters from healthcare or this category or that category. So I kind of feel like we need somebody from the outside to shake it up and ask different questions, which is exactly what he's doing.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Dr. Teo Soleimani, welcome to the podcast. You're one of the world's foremost experts on all things skin, including helping people catch skin cancer early. Knock on wood, nobody here today listening is dealing with that. How to preserve your youthful skin into a later age and the top things that are worth it and not worth it when it comes to our time and investment.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Okay, got it. C, at best. So why'd you put it as a C and not a D or an F?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Well said. Well, you brought up a really important point before we get into some of the super controversial things that are related to the skin, including seed oils and antioxidants, alcohol. Those are all coming up, so stay tuned. But you brought up an important point, which is that for as long as human beings have lived, and you look at some of these more traditional societies that are used to
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
a lot of sun on a regular basis societies in maybe some of the aboriginal societies in australia places in africa like where i'm from in kenya india you know they'll often use physical barriers And I'll have you explain what that is as a way to protect themselves from being out in the sun, which sometimes they have to be because they're working outside during the day and doing other things.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
In America, it's always funny when you see somebody working outside or being outside for a little while, like let's say we're here in Santa Monica recording, you see a jogger and it's hot outside, they'll take off all the clothes that they possibly can, and they'll be in the sun on a regular basis.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
So if we had to rank that here, and I have that in the form of a hat and sunglasses, but that obviously means just any form of shade. There's even now clothing brands out there that are really trying to tell you that these are lightweight things that you can use during running. Where would you rank that on our tiered system over here?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
There's no downsides. It's only going to be upsides. It's easy to use.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
That's amazing. And we'll come back to that fern, because I know you know a lot more about it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
one other question that i have for you so take somebody like yourself yeah you have more of an olive skin complexion your family's background is from like middle east area yeah um and you know my family's ethnic uh background is from india yeah and i'm also a little bit darker than you yeah you know how does your skin color play a role with how you think about being mindful about the sun but also about how much sun you need to be healthy
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
That's all he wanted. He loves that.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Well, I'm glad you brought up the premature aging because obviously a lot of people listening today, for sure, they want to be smart about sun and smart about their skin so that they can avoid skin cancer. And obviously the next best thing is catching it early. Yeah, 100%. So most of our conversation moving forward from here is not going to be just on that.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Even if you care about those things, you also still care about, and probably your main priority is premature aging. A lot of people who listen to podcasts are 40 years old plus and they're 50, 60, 70 and beyond. And they're thinking about how do they maintain a healthy level of skin? So something that you mentioned, which is that, look,
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
The more time you spend in the sun, that will prematurely age your skin. There's no way getting around that. Is that accurate? Absolutely. Okay. Absolutely. So it's something to know about because I think sometimes, you know, we put a little bit of criticism on traditional dermatology. There's probably, you know, wellness is a wide spectrum too. Totally.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
There's some individuals inside of there that are like, you're not going to age at all from being out in the sun.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And you just can see it with your own eyes. Your friends that even eat healthy are avoiding seed oils and this and that. They're spending a lot of time in the sun. They're going to be getting aged skin if they're overdoing it and not taking corrective measures, which we'll be talking about some of those corrective measures.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
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Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
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Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Sure. Sure. With also understanding the holistic aspect of health, which is if you go too overboard, which is a little bit like a ghost. Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
are you missing other downsides related to the benefits and the healing aspects of the sun mood you know other cancers that you might be avoiding cardiovascular health like you mentioned i know it's still a hotly debated area but i tend to be pro uh if we overdo it and we completely avoid the sun you're probably going to have a lot of other downsides in your life absolutely there's
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Yeah, important point. Okay, let's get into some of the controversial things that are out there. I hinted at this a little bit earlier, but one of probably the most controversial things in health right now is the topic of seed oils. You have institutions like Harvard University saying that not only are seed oils not bad for you, but they're not pro-inflammatory.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
They're not things that are going to increase chronic disease risk. Places like Tufts and their nutrition school that are out there, everybody has different thoughts. I've shared my own thoughts, I've shared my own bias. I tend to not feel great when I'm having a lot of seed oils than I'm exposed to.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
I know that I'm not cooking with seed oils, so if I ever have them, it's gonna be in eating out, which obviously tends to be higher calories, a lot more ingredients that are inside of that. But tell us about seed oils and their relationship to skin, premature aging. How do you look at it and where would you rank them on our tiered system?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
100%.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Universally, I've heard from most people, and I feel this myself with my own immune system, I feel like my throat is off in my Achilles heel. So the first thing that I see is that the worst form of seed oils, and I'd like to get your thoughts on this, are going to be deep fried oils. Is that your...
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Right. And on the other side of it, and obviously there's a lot of things in between, You're going to eat out sometimes. I'm going to eat out sometimes. A lot of restaurants, they haven't gotten the memo. A lot of restaurants have. True Food Kitchen does a great job. Parakeet does a great job. Sweetgreen does a great job. It's now people are waking up to the fact that consumers want this.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
So shout out to those restaurants. But you're not going to.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
you know be obsessing over the fact that hey you just ordered a nice piece of grilled salmon with some side of veggies you're eating out with your wife your kids you guys are having a good time they used a little bit of canola oil it's not a big deal because it's not the base of your diet look i have the saying moderation is key even moderation itself right so
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
I don't know if you saw, but one of the major chains that made an announcement a few, like a month ago, that they're going seed oil free when it came to their fries. It was a burger place called Steak and Shack or something like that. Then a bunch of people found out that the fries that they order are pre-cooked in seed oils. And it's not a knock on them. It just goes back to what you were saying.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
We're just sort of, whether you're trying to avoid seed oils or not, even things with microplastics and phthalates and bisphenols,
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
What are other things that dramatically lower people's immune system that they would be 65,000% more susceptible to skin cancer?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
So it's a pleasure to have you here. I'm excited to jump into today's conversation.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Because your body, in the case of autoimmune disease, is so busy dealing with the autoimmune disease. It's confused fighting what is normal and what isn't. It doesn't have as much resources.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Yeah. Well said. Amazing. So I placed it there for you because we didn't have lower than an F, but you'd put seed oils as a frequent usage. Yes. Which even if you are, even I'm sometimes a little bit confused by the science that's out there because I'll have people on the podcast that say, no, like when you look at it, you know, in these studies, we haven't seen the inflammation.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
I say, look, there may be a lot of confusing things that are out there about seed oils, but I think the simplistic aspect is inflammation. You can easily avoid them at home. And you don't have to cook in beef tallow if you're worried about excessive saturated fat in your diet. You can cook with avocado oil, olive oil, right? There's plenty of options that are there.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
So easily an F on our system. Okay, great. You know, I want to go back to something that you mentioned before. You said when you see patients in the hospital who have been bedridden and are dealing with something.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
These patients, they're not getting sun. Their immune system is down, a bunch of things. And it's natural to see these patients, and they often look, as I've had in my own family, people that might look a lot paler than they normally would be. They look sick. And you look at people that are super sun avoidant, they almost have a very similar skin complexion. I know some of those people.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Yeah, if you had a traditional dermatologist here, they would put the sun on F, in the F category.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
100%.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Yeah, man. And I think mostly people have gotten the memo. They're not into tanning. But just so that we hear from you, I think I have tanning on here somewhere. If you had to rank tanning somewhere on our tiered system, where would you rank it? Intentional tanning? Intentional tanning, traditional, lather up. You're trying to get dark. You've been doing it for years.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Yeah, it's one thing to be out in the sun and get darker. If I spend two or three days out midday and I'm like out in the sun for like two hours, I will be maybe like, like one shade darker than I am right now. Like I'll tan pretty quickly. That's different than this intentional tanning. Typically people who are very light skin who feel like they want that tan. European look.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
What about another one that people ask about sometimes, and that's coffee. They're wondering, does that have anything to do? And specifically in the category of premature aging, you'll hear some ideas on social media. I'm sure people have seen the reels. Oh, coffee will dry you out. It's this. It's going to make your skin look like that.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And then some people talk about how coffee is literally the highest source of polyphenols in a lot of people's diets. Yeah. It's unfortunate, but that's what it is. And that there's a lot of benefits to having coffee. So where would you rank coffee on our list, and why would you put it there?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
So how will you notice that?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
It's funny because I recently went to Japan, side note, and over there on the menu, they'll literally write, Do you want American coffee? And in parentheses, it'll say weak. Are you serious? Or do you want Japanese coffee, which is assumed to be strong? And it actually is very strong. That's very interesting. I think part of that is also, too, they like their coffee very pure.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
We're having these crazy frappuccinos where you have all sorts of sugar and other things. It's almost like three beverages in one. And with the sugar, with the amount of liquid and everything else, that probably adds to it as well. 100%.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
That's awesome. I'm an Americano guy. I do usually even just a single shot in the morning, adding a little bit of honey, which I know people think is crazy, but I like a little bit of honey. I'm talking about a quarter of a teaspoon.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Makes me feel great. You know, you mentioned something, which is antioxidants.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Let's talk about that. You know, we're kind of switching back and forth in this conversation between protecting the skin because, you know, we have you here on here where literally your bread and butter is taking care of people who have skin cancer.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Right. So we all want to know how to protect ourselves because from my understanding, skin cancer is growing every year. Is that right?
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Yeah.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
It's the only cancer that's increasing in incidence.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
That includes even like the healthier sunscreens inside of there.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Well, I don't have an icon for a spray, but if we did and you're watching on YouTube, just know that that's going to be an F. Yeah, 100%.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And you see a lot of people especially use them on kids. Yeah, yeah, huge problem. Because it's easy. Oh, it's easy. Kids don't like sunscreen being put on. It's easier to just spray them. But I can imagine kids are a lot more susceptible to these things. Hugely susceptible, 100%.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Does it also mean avoiding the, there are a lot of mineral-based sunscreens that now are getting into the spray category. Yeah. Should you still avoid those?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Right. That's why a lot of people don't like them because they're like, oh, it doesn't, my skin looks white. Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And typically people use it because they're like, Oh, great. It blends into my skin.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
It's crazy to hear you say that there's no evidence that's out there. I say crazy in a way that's shocking to a lot of people that are listening, that the sun in itself is connected. Well, it is connected to skin cancer. You wouldn't deny that. No, no, definitely. But that a healthy usage of sun is going to increase your risk of skin cancer. Is that how you'd say it?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
It's not true.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
It's like you're putting this on to protect from cancer. Yeah, yeah. And we're doing all this other stuff.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
uh but antioxidants you were talking about yes yes i was saying we're going to be switching back and forth in this conversation between skin prevention uh skin prevention like healthy aging how to prevent yeah you know premature aging and then also skin protection cancer avoidance and everything because obviously we have you here so you know just for the audience that's following along we're going to switch back and forth because these things are often related to
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
So I'm bringing up antioxidants, right? We have a bowl full of raspberries and berries here that I want you to rank. And kind of piggybacking off of coffee, does us going out of our way to include a healthy amount of antioxidants in our diet, does that help out in protecting our skin?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
S. S. S. You're going to put that as S. I'm going to put that as S. What are your favorite forms and why do you put it as an S?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And how do they end up getting it in this modern day and age?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Okay, got it. Got it. So it's not somebody who's like on the carnivore diet. It's somebody who maybe has... just somehow ended up eating something?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Okay.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And how were they taking it? As a supplement? As a supplement. Okay, got it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And is it true that I've seen skin products that have it now in it? Yeah, yeah. Do those work? Do those not work?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
You actually have your own supplement that's there. First of all, I love any entrepreneurs that are out there that are creating evidence-based products, things that can help people, that can work. So I have no problem giving a little plug. But I also want you to rank it. So tell us what we're ranking and what the product is.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
How much before you go out and surf do you take it?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Amazing. Awesome. Congratulations. I appreciate that, man.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
On that note, you know, you were talking about some of the content you guys feature. One of the things that you're big on and that you like to tell people is when it comes to protecting our skin from potential problems later on, it's important to get screenings done. So that's the next thing that I want you to tier rank and talk a little bit about the hows and the whys.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
For especially my audience, including myself, I don't think, you know, I'm 42 turning 43 this year. Amazing, man. Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. And I have like some moles that are like the bottom of my neck over here.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And like every so often when I'm swimming or I'm hanging out with my wife somewhere, somebody might say, usually somebody older is like, you know, you should really get those things checked out. And I have a natural bias and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'll get them checked out at some point in time. But I'm also generally feeling like I'm sun smart. I'm not too worried about it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
But at the same time too, like I don't want to end up in some situation where I have to deal with skin cancer and I could have detected it a lot earlier, right? And I ended up in your office. So what are the do's and don'ts and where do you rank screeners? And let's put it at different... Feel free to contextualize it based on either ages or risk profile, like you mentioned.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
One of the top things that will increase your risk profile for skin cancer is if you've already had a parent or family member who has been diagnosed with some form of skin cancer. So can you talk about that?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
So I don't want people to- They show up typically in the body. I've heard you share this on the podcast. They show up in the body that may not be getting a lot of sun. 100%. There will be examples.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
One of the things we're going to do on today's conversation is we are going to tier rank. some of the top things that people are concerned about when it comes to their skin health or are wondering, is this thing real or is it bunk? We're going to bust some myths that are out there.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Right.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Any do's and don'ts for people who are like, okay, well, I can't go to my regular doctor because they're not trained in this. I have to go and find a dermatologist. Are they looking for anything special?
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Okay, great. All right. We're going to pop into a few other areas that I want to talk about. And then we're going to chat about a bunch of treatments that people have questions about. Does this work? Is it harmful? What's the best? Because now we're starting to get into the part of the conversation where we know about the important, about being sun smart.
Dhru Purohit Show
Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
We know about the importance about being sun smart. We know about physical barriers being supreme and how we can rely on those minimizing, you know, sunscreen use for especially sunscreen misuse and the harmful sunscreens. that are out there, relying more on the mineral ones, but not the spray ones. No sprays. That are out there.
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We've talked about the importance of screening and avoiding tanning. Yeah. Sun powder and the role that that can play in a healthy diet as well, too. Coffee. So a few more things we want to touch on, and then we want to go into...
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And some of the treatments that are out there that are the common ones, anytime I tell somebody, like I mentioned to my sisters that you're coming on, they're like, oh my gosh, can you ask them this and this and this?
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Not that it's only women that are asking about it. Men are super into their skin as well too. Totally. So a couple more items that we want to touch on and then we'll get into these restorative, regenerative therapies, tools, techniques, practices. All right. Alcohol. Let's talk about that for a second.
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What do you want to say about alcohol and the skin and where would you rank it on our tiered system? F. An F? F. Okay.
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I heard you say on another podcast that in particular grain-based alcohols are the ones that you are most worried about people over-consuming.
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Okay. Let's get into some of these restorative modalities that are out there. The fun stuff. All right. One of the ones that is a spectrum, but it's gotten a lot of attention over the last few years is the spectrum of red light therapy. So let's talk about it. I have a red light mask here just as an easy icon. Talk about it and then rank it on our, on our tier. B. B. Yeah.
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Okay. Amazing. Yeah. On that note, and I don't have an icon for this. You don't have to rank it. You could talk about it. What about things like microneedling? Yeah. Radio frequency microneedling, which has become very popular. Yes. I heard you have some nuanced thoughts about that. Yes.
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Got it. That's great. Well, a lot of people will be happy because at least when you see the ads for it and everything else like that, or I hear from my wife or what her friends are doing, radio frequency microneedling, which has become so popular, they also, it's a premium, right? You're paying a premium for that.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
So microneedling, good enough for most people and is going to work fantastic if they choose that as an option.
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Got it, got it. So the classic adage, if you're everything to everyone, you're nothing to me.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
So on that spectrum, what have you seen? I'll ask you to sort of come up with your own list. What have you seen Before we get to full-on surgery, and that's a spectrum. Obviously, there's like full facelifts, there's little microsurgeries that people can do.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Separate from that, what are the biggest bang for the buck when it comes to repairing damage that people might have had from their youth, from over sun exposure, maybe crappy diet, whatever else was there? And also too, just the natural aging process that we all go through, where we're trying to bring some of that youth back, which isn't everybody's priority, and I get that.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
But for the people that it is, what has the biggest bang for the buck that isn't surgery?
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Okay, got it.
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And how does that work, just to cut you off? Or you can add that into your answer.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
100%.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
It's that having all this sun protection in the traditional sense, and we're going to break some of these down because there's a lot of different classifications, some that are better than others, but in the traditional sense of... traditional sunscreen, there's no evidence that's out there that that is going to protect you from the most common skin cancers that are there.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And how does it specifically reduce your risk of skin cancer?
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And typically, you know, obviously it'll vary based on city, but as people are trying to prioritize and biggest bang for the buck, what do treatments cost and how long should they, you know, what's the expectation of how many treatments they should do and over what time period if they're interested in pursuing it?
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Per treatment or is that like a package?
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And I have no familiarity with lasers besides the fact that I know that my sisters have done them sometimes. I love them, man. So this fractal laser, you know, you put at the top of the list. So that means that if somebody's going to, and it's an S. Fraxel is an S. Fraxel. Sorry, I said fractal. So one treatment is enough for somebody to see a pretty big difference? Yeah.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Great. So you have people spending hundreds of dollars every month on cosmetics that may or may not work. Not that it's an either or, but this could be something that somebody might want to consider. Yeah.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And is there a secondary factor that if you don't have enough high vitamin D levels, which partly relates to the sun, can also be influenced by supplementation, that you are also at a higher risk for certain cancers that are out there? So sun avoidance
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Especially with what we know about diet and lifestyle and all these other things that play a huge role in things. On that note, are there other things that are low-hanging fruit that is not a device? Let's go back to lifestyle for a second. Low-hanging things, just even like what moisturizer you use or how much water you drink in a day that are like no-brainers. We're all doing them, but-
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
By tweaking it a little bit, you could significantly improve the look of your skin over a period of time.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And does that typically correlate with the UV index? What is your thoughts on that?
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We could tag her. Yeah, exactly.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Is this true that sun avoidance could actually increase your risk if it leads to a situation where you have, you know, chronically low vitamin D levels? Is there any truth to that?
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People put it on at night. At night. And it originally came out for acne. You shouldn't wear it if you're... trying to get pregnant or if you think you're pregnant. Yeah, yeah.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
So a while back on this podcast, I sat down with the holistic plastic surgeon who told me that one of the best things that you can do for your skin, whether it's wrinkles, fine lines, acne, or overall skin health is red light therapy. Since hearing that episode, so many people in my family, including my wife and sisters, have been consistent with their evening red light routine.
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Got it.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Another question that I often hear from males and women that listen to my podcast, if they've struggled with really bad acne, I had a little bit of this through a combination of a crappy diet, hormones, other stuff, and actually a dairy intolerance. I had terrible acne all throughout high school.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
The crazy thing is, is when I left high school and I started my freshman year of college, I started reading a little bit about how dairy doesn't work for everybody. I got off of dairy and my acne went away in literally two weeks. And I thought, oh my gosh, I just wasted four years because I was drinking milk every day. And that's not the case for everybody, but I think that was the case for me.
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Gut inflammation being tied to acne mixed in with some hormones. But as my skin started to repair, I noticed that I had a lot of scarring. And then I don't know the medical term for it, but there are these little craters in the skin. They've gotten a lot better. And I don't know what I did. I didn't do anything specific for it. I didn't do any treatments for it.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Probably had a little bit of collagen in my diet. But is there anything for people who feel like they have these little craters from having really bad acne back in the day? And is there a medical term for it?
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
So for those of you that are listening on audio, you can watch the video on YouTube, but you'll still be able to follow along if you're listening on audio. So we're going to jump right in. One of the first things we're going to go into is the sun.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Great. So we were asking, and we were on the topic of low-hanging fruit. Anything else you want to put in that category? You mentioned retinol.
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And the one that they use is the Bond Charge Red Light Face Mask. Red light therapy is a science-backed way to stimulate collagen and elastin production. helping to reduce fine lines, wrinkles, and signs of aging while also improving skin texture and overall appearance. But it doesn't just stop at skincare.
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Yeah. I love it. I think we have it somewhere on our list over here, so we'll bump that up to an A. Yeah, I love it. And it's because of the amount of studies that have come out on it?
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This mask can also be used to help with sore jaws, migraines, eczema, scar tissue, wound healing, and even relaxation. My family loves the Bond Charge mask because you can switch between both near infrared and red light in one device. It has a sleek, lightweight design that doesn't get too hot on your face.
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Fantastic. So we talked about the lifestyle things. Just as we're winding down over here, touching back on the screening aspect. Obviously, find a dermatologist, somebody that you can go to. It's a non-invasive exam. you know, they're going to check you out. Is there anything else that you can do?
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Or if people have done their, cause you mentioned that so much of skin cancer is genetic family history, hereditary. Is there anything in our typical genetic screenings? A lot of people have 23andMe, they have other stuff. Is there anything there that people can be looking at to look at their risk of skin cancer?
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And the best thing is that Bond Charge offers worldwide shipping, a 12-month warranty, and easy returns and exchanges if you ever are not satisfied. You can even use your HSA and FSA funds to purchase this red light mask. So let's talk protocols. My family uses the Bond Charge Red Light Face Mask for 10 to 20 minutes a day while reading, watching TV, or winding down at night.
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It's an easy and convenient way to access the benefits of this therapy from the comfort of your own home, and the results speak for themselves. Bond Charge also has other amazing science-backed wellness products like low blue light light bulbs, blue light blocking glasses, EMF protection products, infrared sauna blankets, and 100% blackout sleep masks.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Important, important. Yeah, 100%. uh dr teo this has been fantastic yeah man it's a lot of fun so much here yeah and most importantly i want to acknowledge you because not only are you a wealth of information i appreciate that from both understanding the evidence space but also something that people don't often remember is that part of evidence-based medicine is clinical experience
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And you're bringing all your clinical experience to the table, especially when it comes to some of these more controversial topics like seed oils and other things that are out there. And some of your other takes that sometimes go against the grain of what people talk out there, but you have the experience to back it up.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
So you've brought that evidence base, your clinical experience, your understanding, and you've packaged it all with the fact that you're a great communicator who also has good skin. I appreciate it. So shout out to you and your genetics. Thank you.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And you've made it all easily to understand and made it super digestible for our audience today for a topic that, you know, the truth is that people find themselves going on all these sorts of wild goose chases. They spend a lot of money or they get caught up in the marketing of stuff. And that goes on both sides of it.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
It could be somebody in the health space saying, I don't worry about the sun ever. When the truth is, we've all seen that, you know, you have one summer where you've spent a lot of time in the sun, even if you're super freaking healthy. You're like, wow, my skin has aged and I'm young and I'm healthy. So we have to be smart about it based on our goals that are there.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And you've definitely helped us do that contextually in today's conversation. So thank you so much for that.
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I know our audience is going to be a huge fan of yours. Thank you. After listening to this episode, where is the best place for them to follow you? Where are you most active?
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Plus, they ship worldwide and their products are HSA and FSA eligible. So you can save up to 30% tax-free. Right now, Bon Charge is offering my community 15% off. If you're interested in the Red Light Therapy face mask, just go to BonCharge.com slash Drew and use the code Drew, D-H-R-U to save 15%. That's Bon, B-O-N, Charge, C-H-A-R-G-E.com slash D-H-R-U. That's me, Drew.
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Well said. Well, once again, thank you for being on the show. It was a pleasure to meet you.
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And use the coupon code D-H-R-U to save 15%. Here is the truth. Our outward appearance is a reflection of what we put inside of our bodies. I've seen this firsthand when I've had horrible acne growing up and changing my diet and improving my metabolic health significantly improved my skin. Since then, I've been on a mission to find products that truly deliver results.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Help us understand the sun and give it some context because the thing is on social media today, depending on which dermatologist you follow, and most of them would say, we have to be aware of the sun. We have to watch out for the sun. The sun is out to kill us. And if you're not careful, you're going to end up with skin cancer super early.
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It features organic, ceremonial-grade Sun Goddess Matcha, which contains anti-inflammatory compounds and antioxidants that can help protect the skin from damage, especially as we get older. It also features BT Fountain, a
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hydrating beauty electrolyte that has clinically proven ceramides to protect the skin barrier and reduce the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles bt fountain is actually my younger sister's favorite product and she's noticed that her skin has become visibly more glowy as she likes to say when she uses it consistently i fully believe that what we eat and what we drink is reflected on our skin this is why i've chosen ingredients and products that i can trust
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
wear sunscreen every single day or you're gonna die of skin cancers total nonsense so important yeah well that goes right into our second item that we have here to tier rank and that is sunscreen and before we do it if you guys are new to us doing this tier ranking system we have it broken down into the following categories s which is at the top which means supreme
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And I'd probably even argue, and you probably agree, that healthy use of the sun is probably one of the best sources of medicine that we have in our life. Morning sunlight and other things. So could we bump it up from a B as long as you're being smart with it and bump it up to an S if you're being smart with it and not overdoing it? I would put SunSmart as S for sure.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Okay, let's recategorize SunSmart. If you're doing it the right way with all the context that we have, throw in all the recommendations from your friend, Dr. Andrew Huberman of Morning Sunlight. It's going to be one of the best things for you.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
And just so everybody knows, burning is killing your skin cells. So that's not what we want to do. We're going to be coming back to that. So S is supreme. We bumped up the sun. The sun is happy. It's shining down on us. A is really good. B is pretty good. C is kind of neutral. D is kind of bad. And F is obviously the worst that's there. So you talked all about sunscreen, traditional sunscreen.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
Talk to us about the sun and then give us a ranking on our system from S to F. Okay.
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Want to Maintain Youthful Skin At Any Age? Top Dermatologist and Skin Cancer Expert Shares his Favorite Skin Tips and Tools and Busts Major Myths Around Skin Damage with Dr. Teo Soleymani
There's a lot of different sunscreens that are out there, some that I'm a fan of, but traditional sunscreen, it seems like the word is getting out to some people that it's a layered conversation. It might be doing more bad than good. What's your thoughts on the standard sunscreen that you see at every drugstore that's out there? C, at best. C, at best.
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Biggest Weight Loss and Nutrition Myths Sabotaging Your Health and The Top Hacks That Actually Work In 2025
Sal, welcome back to the podcast. Pleasure to have you here. You know, you recently made a pretty mind-blowing video, in my opinion, about the things that sabotage people the most when it comes to getting fit, losing and burning fat, and really having their fittest year ever. And one of the top things you listed on there was having unrealistic goals and expectations. You try to do too much. Yeah.
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Biggest Weight Loss and Nutrition Myths Sabotaging Your Health and The Top Hacks That Actually Work In 2025
That's great advice. You know, you talked about calories. What about the food side of the equation? One of the most searched things for our content, and I'm sure your guys' content even way more than us, people wanna know what to eat. What is some of the most unrealistic advice that people are following, some of these trends or maybe even myths that are out there?
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Biggest Weight Loss and Nutrition Myths Sabotaging Your Health and The Top Hacks That Actually Work In 2025
And what's the realistic antidote when it comes to, again, living your fittest year ever?
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Biggest Weight Loss and Nutrition Myths Sabotaging Your Health and The Top Hacks That Actually Work In 2025
Yeah, and you're not getting all those concentrated calories from eating out all the time or eating ultra processed foods.
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You know, I got to say that we all know these things, even people who are not doing them, they instinctually know that these foods really cause us to overeat and encourage that. And
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I'm feeling really excited about the current state of sort of politics, you know, said nobody ever until maybe now, where there really feels like an approach and it's starting to become very bipartisan, which is also exciting too, where you have people speaking up and saying these foods are literally destroying our society. And if we don't do something about it, we're going to be effed forever.
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You know, on the topic of, again, unrealistic expectations, sabotaging your goals and dreams of having your fittest year ever. One thing that I see all the time, I love being on YouTube. I'm a fan of your guys' channel. Please, everybody, subscribe to Mind Pump. I have a link below in the show notes.
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One thing I see, I use YouTube Premium to avoid ads, but whenever so often I want to see what kind of ads are going on on my channel, other people's channel, the top ads are for crazy. quick fixes, fat burning, supplements, gummies, things that are out there that promise to solve your problem and help you look slimmer and quicker without any effort at all.
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Everybody knows that doesn't make sense, yet so many people are buying those things. Talk to us about... how a lot of that stuff doesn't work. And in fact, one of my favorite videos you guys made recently was actually doubling down on things that actually could be supplements that could actually support your fat loss and muscle building goals and journey.
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Well, there was two others that you had in the honorable mention that would be a way better spend than all the fat loss supplements that are marketed out there, which you've already said don't work. And one of those was caffeine.
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And how to use caffeine appropriately. Yes. Can you chat about that?
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Is that what you do?
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I wrote a newsletter. I'll link it to in the show notes, but I will, I don't really drink too much coffee. Everybody has a different definition of too much, but I'll have an Americano with sort of two shots inside of in the morning that I usually make at home and I have an all metal espresso machine trying to avoid the microplastics that are out there.
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By the way, if anybody's looking for solutions, I have no affiliation with this company, but Aeropress, are you familiar with Aeropress? Aeropress is basically this 80 year old inventor came up with this idea of vacuum pressing coffee using this sort of press. And you can buy it. It's like a hundred bucks or whatever.
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And it consistently makes like the best coffee in all these award shows that are out there. Anyways, the number one feedback that their audience had was because the whole thing is made out of plastic, like BPA-free plastic that's touching hot water. Sure, you may not get BPA in there, but you have all these other microplastics you're getting exposure to.
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One of the things I love about walking that I've seen in my own life, and I'd love to ask you about this and maybe why is this happening. When I walk more, I make better decisions during the day. I want to be healthier and I feel like I have more momentum for all other goals that I have in my life. Is that something you see with the people that you work with?
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So they just recently launched a metal and glass version, which I'm excited to jump into. But what I'll do is when I'm cutting it off, which I'll cycle every like three to four weeks, I will replace my coffee with a yerba mate for a few days. It's just a little bit more gentler. And then I'll go to a quarter from there. So everybody has different methods.
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So I wanted to bring you back on the podcast to talk about the realistic things that we can do that actually significantly move the needle forward. And I want to start off with one of your number one tips, and it's on the topic of something that's so underrated, and that's walking.
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But I do think it's a good thing to do every so often. If you need caffeine for energy, there could be some underlining things that you might want to talk to your, you know, functional medicine or integrative doctor with to see if, you know, is caffeine giving you energy, which it really doesn't?
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Or is it sort of like whipping your HPA access, you know, throughout the day and kind of getting you like hyper anxious and that feels like energy to you?
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You know, going back to this theme again, fittest year ever, people stepping into it, thinking about it this time of year. You listed out a whole framework of do's that I'd love to just kind of cycle through a few of them and tee you up to talk a little bit about it more. Sure.
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And the first one that you had on your list of do's, which is the opposite of what people typically do, is you told people that it's important that whatever your goal is, it's important to get specific with it. In addition to being realistic, it's good to be specific. So somebody is listening today and they're like, hey, I want to be healthy. I want this to be my fittest year ever.
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I want to lose weight. That's the common thing that you hear from people. I want to get fit. I want to build muscle. At least now, a lot more people are talking about not just losing weight. They're talking about adding muscle, but it's very unspecific. Why is specificity so key?
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Another one on your list was... focus on or at least try focusing on one goal at a time. What do you typically see? I'm guessing it's probably the opposite. People have a lot of goals that they want to do and that, what, distracts them?
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That's great advice. One on this list, and it kind of covers a topic we've already talked about a little bit, but it double downs on something that's super important. So it's on the topic of food. And you said, focus on simple foods. Use protein and shakes to hit protein goals. Let's start off with that first piece. Focus on simple foods. What's the opposite of that that you see people doing?
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Like if you had to paint a picture.
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Yeah. The other thing that I hear when I was watching that video that you made, which we'll link to in the show notes below, again, on Mind Pump TV, is focus on simple foods also means what can you kind of quickly and consistently make? Because I love meal prepping and then everybody hits that week where they got so busy and they didn't get a chance to meal prep. What can you make that you like
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that you enjoy and that is good. It's not maybe great. You don't have to make some like, I mean, I love the great, like to me, like the simplest foods that I make are great. Like I genuinely love them and I crave them. Your palate changes. But sometimes I see that people feel like they have to make something quite elaborate. And it really doesn't have to be that way.
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What can you make consistently that's simple that you can stick to over a period of time and actually genuinely look forward to?
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We've talked a lot about protein, even in the last conversations that you were here on, you gave some fantastic examples then and also in this interview. One area that I've seen people actually recently struggle with as they up their protein is making sure they get enough fiber. Do you have any favorite high fiber foods that are simple?
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Some of the high fiber foods that are out there sometimes that are not single ingredients, sometimes, like you said, make people feel bloated, make them feel not that great. Are any couple of them that you love relying on as a staple as part of your diet?
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All right. Here's another bonus one that you've recently talked about on your channel. And it's the benefits of, as you're thinking about your fittest year yet, it's the benefits of not sitting too much.
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You've already talked about walking and how sprinkling a few walks, especially after meals, can be a fantastic way to improve your metabolism, but also give you perspective, boost your mood. And the reality is a lot of us still find ourselves sitting on such a frequent basis. Do you want to talk about some of the challenges and the dangers to our goals that sitting faces, over-sitting?
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On a practical level... With you sitting so much and yet still working out and you're fit and you focus on your diet and all these other aspects, do you go out of your way to try to hit a step goal in the day, whatever that goal would be?
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If you're going to take some of the things that we talked about today and kind of put it together in a program. And what I mean by that is that A lot of times around this time of year, people think that they need to do so much.
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And a big part of your guys' content is that you'd be amazed at how nailing the basics and just focusing on a couple of few things, which when you look at it could feel like so little, actually makes a huge difference. So if you're going to put some of the resistance training, walking, dietary training, lifestyle, you know, you already talked about the creatine.
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So I'll leave out the supplement side of it. If you're going to put that together in a realistic program that somebody could use who's starting off and get a chance to run with that. Obviously, you know, you've said previously on our podcast, which a lot of people took to heart is that if you can afford it, finding a good trainer and not even if you can afford it,
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spend that money there rather than that upgraded flat screen TV or that next iPhone. It's going to be one of the best return on investments in your life. So that person will help you personalize this to your situation, but you could use some of your advice as a base framework of a program or protocol you could do. So if you would put those things together in sort of a weekly program and
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How would you do that?
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So for somebody who says at the beginning of the year, which you hear all the time, I want to lose about 10 pounds. right? You hear that all the time. People just 10 pounds is the magic number that everybody wants to do, except for me, who's trying to gain 10 pounds. And I want to build a little bit of muscle.
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Do you think that this type of protocol and program, if somebody was consistent, because again, this is realistic, so it's going to be much more likely they're going to be consistent. Is that a realistic goal, a way to hit that goal? But most importantly, maintain that goal.
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You know, I want to touch on just one quick item as we're wrapping up today's interview, which, by the way, thank you so much for hosting me in your studio. It's a beautiful place. Thank you. I got to watch on YouTube all the time, but now I get to see it in person. So everybody make sure you subscribe to mind pump TV. We have the link of the show notes. They're fantastic channel on YouTube.
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You guys put out so much content, like five days a week. I think you're putting out content. And I heard from your team member and business partner, Doug over here that you guys are approaching 2,500 episodes. Amazing. That's a huge accomplishment. Congratulations to you and your entire team. If for some reason you, some of these things aren't working.
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And again, it's probably because somebody's not following it. There might be a couple of things that people need to be paying attention to. Number one, and this comes from a really amazing video you guys made. Number one, you might be going too intense with your workouts. How could going too intense with your workouts be something that actually sabotages building muscle and losing fat?
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You know, that goes right into the second one, which is really doubling down on something you said earlier. Focus on the skill of the workout. Get out of this idea that a great workout is punishment.
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Last one we have here on this topic is that some people actually to hit their goals for the fittest year ever, they might actually need to tone down the amount of volume that they have.
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This is building again on the top two things you said, but just can you address that a little bit? Who would be that person that might need to tone down the volume? They have too much volume.
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Sal. This has been great. You know, our first episode together is like almost 900,000 views and you brought the fire. Second episode, well on its way towards that. And I want to thank you on behalf of our entire audience who has really enjoyed your content and your realistic advice.
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You've shown us time and time again, and you did that on today's episode, that just by doubling down on the basics, we can make significant progress on creating the things that we want to do to achieve our fittest year ever. So shout out to you and the Mind Pump team.
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Just remind everybody, of course, we've linked to your channel, but you guys have some incredible offerings, including workout plans as well, too, that anybody could sign up for. Where can they go to get those?
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Amazing. We'll link that below. Sal, thanks so much for hosting me and for coming back on the podcast.
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Have you seen any of the work of Francine Shapiro and EMDR? No. I'm familiar with EMDR, though. Yeah. So Francine Shapiro was a researcher that found, to put it sort of in a quick story, that every time she would go on a walk— especially with some of her research students, she would notice that she had a little bit of an improvement in mood boosting.
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And I think she was going through something difficult at the time, maybe like a cancer diagnosis. And they started to look into it and they found something fascinating. They found that when there's bilateral eye movement, our eyes are looking at the horizon and they're scanning it. That signals something to our nervous system that everything's okay because we're making forward movement.
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And that's how EMDR, which is a therapy for those that aren't familiar with it, It could be in conjunction with psychotherapy, where people are using bilateral eye movement, in some cases, even soldiers that have been through traumatic experiences to reprocess memories and help them better understand it. And it's been validated. Initially, they said that she was a kook.
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And then a bunch of studies came out on it and showed that it actually worked. And so that's another thing that I noticed with walking is that you get out, you get perspective.
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And all of a sudden, this thing that you've been just sitting on, this problem in your life, you know, saying sorry to your wife or husband or whatever, something that's so small that you just needed a little bit of perspective on. You get that perspective when you walk and all of a sudden you feel better for the day.
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Another unrealistic expectation and goal that people put on themselves when it comes to living their fittest year ever is they say, I am going to significantly cut back on my calories. I'm going to starve myself so that I can get into the best shape of my life. Why is this a completely unrealistic approach and how will it end up sending people backwards?
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And the last part of that is that let's talk about what people should be doing instead. You know, for the last few years, I've been really prioritizing my muscle strength. With that comes soreness, tension, and just general aches and pains that come as a natural part of the recovery process. Now, if you can relate to this, Bond Charge's PEMF infrared devices are a total game changer.
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How are you doing with your New Year's intentions? As I like to say, one of my big intentions every single year is to focus on my well-being. And we all know that the foundation of well-being is a good foundation.
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Hi everyone, Drew Proat here. Last year, I made a conscientious effort to up my fiber intake. Why? Well, in addition to wanting to improve my gut microbiome, which I know a lot of you guys want to do when it comes to cardiovascular health, I'm also a hyper reabsorber of cholesterol.
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I want to continue on the topic of gas and bloating because so many people suffer from that, right? And we know through books like yours that the data around fiber is so, so strong, at least the data that's available to us right now as we continue to look at what leads to these positive outcomes in society. Are there ways or foods that people can start off with when it comes to fiber?
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I also talk with Dr. Mary Claire Haver, who's a board-certified OBGYN doctor and a certified culinary medicine specialist, about the key role that thyroid plays in targeting visceral fat after menopause in particular. And finally, you'll hear from Dr. Brad Stanfield, a
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I don't know what the correct term is, but sometimes people completely get excited about fiber. They start adding a ton of stuff and they notice that their gas is... They have a ton of gas. They have a ton more bloating than what is their normal baseline. For example... Does it make a difference if we cook foods versus having them raw?
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Generally, anecdotally, and just talking to friends, sometimes the same foods or ingredients that somebody would have raw, when they have them cooked, they seem to tolerate that fiber a little bit more. Is there anything like that that you would recommend to the listeners?
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primary care physician based in New Zealand who has garnered over 200,000 followers on YouTube for his video segments related to longevity promoting strategies. And on today's episode, he's going to talk about the fiber supplement that he's most excited about. But first, let's dive into my conversation with Dr. Will B.
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Let's go back to your story a little bit. What were some of the key behaviors for you that you think were leading to the underlining factors that were causing you to feel sick and your gut being messed up? So I think one of them that you mentioned is that you were eating a lot of fast food. So fast food would fall in the category of ultra processed food. Give us an idea of your
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What are one, two, or three signs that somebody doesn't have that adequate amount of fiber in their diet? Something that they're experiencing, risk factors, daily stuff that they're going through or not going through. What are some signs that they don't have enough of that fiber?
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Here we are. Bestsellers later, hundreds of thousands of copies of your book, great mission message, social media. And you're really trying to help people understand that a lot of these super amazing hacks that people are looking for, we can get with daily basic solutions. And one of those being obviously fiber, which we've talked about, we'll talk more about in a second.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
I want to zoom out a little bit big picture and go from what does it seem to be as basic as it sounds, just making sure we connect all the dots for everyone. What is it that fiber is doing to the gut that allows us to see that people who are having a certain level of fiber, we'll go into that next, are generally going to be better, more healthier and better off?
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
You want to hear something pretty shocking that I learned from the Levels founder, Josh Clemente, recently on this podcast, is that there are so many people who are unhealthy and they don't even know that they're unhealthy. We have over half of US adults that have prediabetes or diabetes. And just these two conditions alone set the stage for things like Alzheimer's, heart disease, and even cancer.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
That's why it's so important to use technology, things like the Levels app to stay on top of your metabolic health and stay on top of all your biomarkers and your exercise and your sleep and the tracking of your food. I've had to use a bunch of different apps to do this. Now with the Levels app, I can do this all in one place.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
I can track my metrics, my macros, my habits, and my glucose levels from a continuous glucose monitor. And now with their new features, you can even track step count, sleep, and more to understand how your daily habits shape your health. Plus, you can get labs directly through the Levels app or
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
So fiber is one of the best tools I can incorporate to help improve my diet, but also keep my ApoB levels lower from the naturally high place that they like to find themselves. In fact, fiber is so powerful that it has the ability to regulate blood sugar, lower cholesterol, fight constipation, increase weight loss, promote cognition, and so much more.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
if you have your own blood work, you can upload it to track 10 key biomarkers and see the full picture of your metabolic health over time. And this is huge because there are key actions that you can take to improve it. For example, when Josh was on this podcast, he mentioned that even a 15 minute walk after meals can dramatically improve glucose control.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
And with levels, you can see these effects in real time. Right now, if you're interested in this, the app that tracks it all in one place, Levels is offering my listeners two free months of their annual membership when you sign up through my link, levels.link slash dhru.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
I don't know how long this offer will last, so if you've been thinking about learning more about your metabolic health and tracking all of your metrics in one place, now is the time to get started. Just go to levels.link.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
That's great. And do all fibers... impact? Of course, you talked about the differences that are there between insoluble, soluble fibers, but do some of them produce more of these short chain fatty acids than others? Or is that generally related to diversity and general sense of quantity?
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
Fiber is crucial to a healthy gut microbiome. But again, it is key to so many other factors in the body, including weight loss. In my conversation with menopause expert, Dr. Mary Claire Haver, she shares that women going through perimenopause and menopause often see an uptick in visceral fat. This is a type of fat that surrounds your organs, making it really dangerous for the body.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
A perimenopausal woman has about 8% visceral fat, but after menopause, that number can triple based on Dr. Haver's research. When left unchecked, visceral fat can lead to cardiovascular disease and increase our risk of heart attacks, strokes, and even diabetes. Let's listen in to my conversation with Dr. Mary Claire Haver as she shares the important role that fiber plays in combating visceral fat.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
You started to peel back the layers of the onion to see that there were many things in your control that could be supportive and helpful and not leave you in a place where the accumulation of visceral fat year over year in particular, but many other challenges, terrible sleep, pain in different parts of the body.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
you know, massive changes for the worse in the gut microbiome, that these things didn't have to be completely inevitable. What did you start to see and what did you start to unpack as you started digging down that rabbit hole?
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
That's incredible. I wanna unpack some of the ones that you've shared, and then I have a couple questions on some other categories that are there too. So fiber, you mentioned that women that have, I believe you said 25 grams of fiber or more a day,
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
are going to see less visceral fat based on the research that you had come across just to contextualize that depending on the age group because it's different for different age groups that are there but in america right now i think that that the average although there's no average but there's you know uh different uh subgroups that are there but the closest that we could get to the average from what i've seen that's been shared is that many people are having less than 10 grams of fiber and some people
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
I think it's the lower 30% of the population. And I'll fact check this and put it inside the show notes afterwards if I misspoke, my apologies. But it's a lower percentage of the population that's having less than five grams of fiber a day, which is kind of crazy. Like five grams is not a lot of fiber out of there.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
Yeah. Is there a component of sort of naturally people hear about how protective something like fiber could be, and that's the one thing that they hear and they start running with it. Is there sort of a dose dependency here that you recommend to people that we just want to make sure we're getting good and adequate amount of fiber that's there?
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
It's not that we're asking people to necessarily get up to like 100 grams of fiber.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
Fantastic. So as you've heard, there's so many amazing sources of fiber that we can benefit from, both through our diet and supplementation. In my conversation with Dr. Brad Stanfield, he shares why he's such a huge fan of psyllium husk as a fiber source. Let's listen in. And it's one of the most underrated supplements that's out there.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
In fact, you just made a video on this topic about how psyllium husk is one of the most underrated things, especially for people who are trying to improve their digestion or dealing with constipation. So talk to us about why you're super excited about psyllium husk and it's part of your routine.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
When you're talking about a high fiber diet, I've seen different sorts of ranges. Sometimes you'll hear people talk about, you know, 15 grams of fiber, 15 to 20 grams of fiber for every thousand calories that might be in the diet. So if somebody's having, you know, Around 2,000 calories as part of their diet or 2,500, you know, you're probably targeting around 30 to 45 grams of fiber a day.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
Is that what you recommend to your patients? How do you help them sort of navigate what does high fiber diet look like?
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
Yeah, the water part is key because psyllium, from everything that I've understood about it, it absorbs a lot of water inside the body. So you have people that are chronically dehydrated taking psyllium, and they're already dealing with maybe some constipation, and now they feel even more constipated because they haven't had enough water as a whole. How much water should people be targeting for?
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
Again, there's different activity levels. You know, there's, you know, gender differences, which typically relate to body size that's there. You know, is there a general rule of thumb, in particular, if people are having psyllium of like, what is the sort of amount of water they should be targeting in the day?
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
Yeah, what I appreciate about your work is that you address it from all sides. So there's people that are out there that might not be having enough fiber and constipation is something that they really struggle with. And then there's people that start adding in fiber.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
That's fantastic. Just one other question on the topic of psyllium husk. Sometimes I've noticed anecdotally, friends that might have a hard time with psyllium husk might do a little bit better off with things like acacia fiber, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
Have you seen that, that some people respond better to some fibers or another, or is that just, you know, that's just people needing to test things out, start slowly, and then kind of figure out which one works best for them?
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
Fantastic. I hope you've enjoyed today's episode and are walking away with a new appreciation for fiber and how to get more of it in your diet without driving GI discomfort. That's the key.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
And if you're that person and you've had challenges with it or you notice a little bit of bloating, you notice a little bit of constipation, even when you start to add in. You have a bunch of tips and a bunch of nuances that are there. We're going to get more into that later on in the interview. But real quick, we're going to jump around a bit.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
I also want to say I remain quite open to the fact that some people's gut health has been so messed up, for lack of a better term, that any fiber seems to set them over the edge, especially if they're dealing with things like diverticulitis or Crohn's disease.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
And many of those folks often find themselves in some version of a modified elimination diet or even a carnivore diet where they're strictly removing a lot of fiber. I also want to say I remain very open-minded now.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
I don't think I was always open-minded, but I remain very open-minded that for some people whose gut health is extremely messed up, extremely messed up, and they might be dealing with diverticulitis or Crohn's disease or IBS or IBD, that some of those individuals seem anecdotally, I've even had some of them on my podcast, like Nick Norwitz and Dr. Sean Baker, they found their way to some extreme elimination diet or even the carnivore diet.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
And for them, where they feel like they've tried everything, adding fiber in, modifying it, trying different types of fiber, it seems for the first time in their life they've gotten relief through following some version of the carnivore diet. If you want more information on those episodes, go look up those guests.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
But I largely believe, and I believe that those doctors that I mentioned would agree with this too, a healthy human gut should benefit from fiber intake and getting the right quality fiber that works well for you.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
On a personal level, I do well with things like lupini beans and berries and avocado, dried edamame, roasted dried edamame, and obviously most of the vegetables that are out there that are cooked. But I do really, really bad when I'm having things like raw cauliflower, if I'm having raw mushrooms, even if I'm having too many cooked mushrooms. So this is truly all about personalization.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
And if you wanna learn more about some of these topics, again, you can look up my episodes with Dr. Nick Norwitz, Dr. Sean Baker. They're gonna give you more of the carnivore perspective.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
But if you wanna look into some of the folks that we had on today, Dr. B, Dr. Mary Claire Haver, and Dr. Brad Stanfield that have evidence-based approaches that are gonna work for the vast majority of the population, you can find those links to those episodes in the show notes below. Until next time, thanks for tuning in.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
And because you mentioned it, helping people poop better. You made a fantastic video. This is a few weeks ago. You had four tips that you presented inside of that video to help people poop.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
poop better and have better more complete bowel movements i have them here in front of me if you want me to tee you up and if you want to bring up another four or whatever you want to get into feel free but could you share some of those tips for improving constipation
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
I got them for you, brother. I did my homework. Don't worry. So the first one was coffee. And I'd love for you to talk about coffee and what its benefits are in terms of helping with bowel movements. And also, is it ever a concern that some people need coffee to actually have a full evacuation or full bowel movement in the morning?
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
But unfortunately, most of us are not getting enough. In fact, 95% of Americans do not meet the daily fiber requirements. And for most people, it's hurting them. And I say most because there are some situations where people's guts are so messed up that they actually would do better by lowering some fiber and working with a practitioner to get to the root of why there's microbiome imbalance.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
I love it. To extrapolate further on my second part of the first question, is it a challenge that some people feel that they can't go to the bathroom first thing in the morning without having coffee? Or as a gastroenterologist, you're like, look, coffee's generally good for you. Sure, would we like it a particular way? That might just be their body's just used to it.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
But yeah, is that a challenge at all?
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
So many experts that I've talked to on this podcast have shared that your mattress can actually be one of the most toxic items in your home. And we should do something about it because we spend so much time sleeping on it. I've been sleeping on my Birch mattress now for more than four years, and it's the real deal.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
They're certified eco-friendly, organic, and fair trade, plus they're made from natural, non-toxic materials. Let me tell you why that's important for a couple of reasons. First off, with Birch, I'm avoiding a ton of VOCs and off-gassing chemicals that most other mattress companies emit and that mess with the quality of my sleep and yours too.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
Secondly, I can sleep better at night knowing that I'm supporting a company that does right by their employees and the environment. I'll tell you firsthand, that's near to impossible to find at a traditional mattress store. What's even better is how Birch makes it so easy to upgrade your sleep. Every mattress comes with a 100-night risk-free trial.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
But we'll save that for another episode. episode. Today's episode is all about how most individuals would benefit greatly by including some more fiber in their diet. So in today's compilation episode, I'm excited to share with you a portion of my conversations with Dr. Will Bolshevich, an award-winning gastroenterologist, internationally recognized gut health expert, and best-selling author.
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
Awesome. All right. Number two that you went into, which is often underrated – is movement. Tell us how movement actually can help us with not being backed up and relieving constipation.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
The second one that you went into and you kind of covered this a little bit and we'll be talking more about it was just high fiber foods, right? The importance of fiber in the first place to make sure that you are – well, actually, I'll let you say it in your own words. High fiber foods, how does pre – like having them in our diet help us not get constipated in the first place?
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The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
I love it. The last one was a supplement recommendation. And this can be helpful for people who kind of feel a little bit stuck and need things to kind of get moving. And it's magnesium citrate. How do you use it? How do you recommend it to patients? And then you have some dosages that you suggest that people could start off with to help them with relieving constipation.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Nutrient Most of Us are Under-Eating That Boosts Brain Health and Fights Inflammation and Visceral Fat
We discuss all things fiber, how do you know if you're getting enough, and how to have better and more complete bowel movements, which everybody secretly wants or maybe not so secretly wants, and how to incorporate fiber supplements. And Dr. B, as his patients call him, shares his own journey to heal his own gut.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Dr. Rangan Chatterjee, welcome back to the podcast. You know, I want to talk about stress, burnout, procrastination. These are things that a lot of people are plagued with. And I know for my audience, they think about how they start the day and their morning specifically sets the tone for the rest of the day. I have a big question for you. But if you had
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
I think one of the most powerful things you've shared, there's a lot of things that you've shared, is that we all have routines, whether we realize it or not. You have a morning routine. You have an evening routine. The only question is, is it intentional or is it not intentional? Are you letting sort of life hijack you or are you taking control and shaping your own destiny?
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Just because I like to provide that contrast. 3M five-minute morning routine. Give us a contrast. When you were looking at this patient that you were helping that had eczema, for example, what are examples of how she had a routine, but she didn't realize it? What was she prioritizing? What was she doing in terms of letting the day kind of take hold?
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
And it was not to blame her or anybody else that's listening. It's just that that was the de facto routine. She didn't choose it on purpose, but that was the way her life was set up or anybody else who's listening. What are some of the top examples destructive sort of ways that people start the day that you see. And even you and I have been guilty of these things before.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
You know, whether it's a morning routine, whether it's some sort of thing you want to incorporate more regularly in your life, like strength training or some goal, whatever it is, it could even be you want to volunteer more. There's all these ambitions. that we have, I have them, you have them, the people that are listening today have them.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
And we want to incorporate these changes into our life, but most importantly, we all want these changes to last because we want the reward that comes along with them. We want the rewards that come along with being regular, with movement in our life and feeling good in our body, feeling healthy.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
And this brings up the question that you really tackle as part of the new book, which is titled Make Changes That Last, which is,
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
what are these hidden forces that are out there that often prevent us from actually being able to take a temporary change which most people can you know the crazy thing about let's take something like weight loss which a lot of people are thinking about this time of year the data and the studies show that most people who will go on a diet will end up losing weight the problem is
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
90 plus percent of them will regain it back and many of them often more. So the question always is how do we not only make a change, which any of us can do, but how do we make it last? So help us understand, give us your framework that you put into this book of why is it that we can't make changes that last?
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Very British of her.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
an optimal morning routine to help tackle these things, stress, burnout, procrastination, what would that look like?
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
If I could build on that, there's a section inside of the book, I'm jumping around a little bit, where you talk about the power of embracing discomfort. And having been friends with you for so many years, I know you have this approach too. And I have this approach, even though we're in this space and actually you have a medical background, I don't. Is that
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
We are still sometimes, even after trying things, we're still sometimes confused about stuff. And that's okay. I think sometimes confusion can actually... be a good thing if we're open to it. And it goes into this section that you talk about in chapter four, which is embracing discomfort.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Who says that somebody should have it all neatly and packaged up and tell us exactly what we need to do in any aspect of life. Like in one sense, you found a diet that works well for you. But at this moment in your life, And there's probably still some layers where you're like, hey, we were actually talking about it yesterday. We were talking about certain diets that make you feel really good.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
But then what is the long-term impact of having a high ApoB or an LDL? And what parts of that do we know? Do we not know? And where we're even ourself. having access to all this information, confused, but not in a way where we're like, oh my God, I need to go and figure this out right now. It's more like, hey, okay, great. Like here's two truths that I'm holding together. It's not exactly clear.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
I don't need to have it be clear right now, but I'm going to continue to be open to this being there. To me, I know this goes deeper than this conversation, but it's like, you're being comfortable with the uncomfortable. You want to know, but you don't know. And it's like, okay, great. This is like a puzzle that's going to reveal itself over a period of time.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
You know, piggyback off of that, and this is a big part of today's conversation, is that oftentimes we know things, but we're not always doing them. There's nobody here listening today that hasn't thought that or hasn't heard that a morning routine could be useful to them. That's personalized for their life and their situation.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
And yet sometimes, and I'm guilty of it too, we don't actually do what we know. Why is that? All right, newsflash. If you don't have good blood sugar, meaning if your blood sugar is out of whack, which means that your metabolic health is out of whack, you're going to suffer. It's truly one of the biggest predictors of longevity.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Does that all make sense? It all makes sense. And in fact, I want to read to you this quote and share it with the audience from your book that I feel like is so in alignment with this. And the quote from your book, you wrote it, so you know it. When we're minimally reliant, we're maximally in control of our thoughts, feelings, and behaviors. It's
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
almost like when the opposite is true, when we're maximally reliant on our Bluetooth, when we're maximally reliant on the expectations of modern life that this should work, this should come on time, this should happen exactly this way, we end up putting ourself in a position where we become a victim of our circumstances.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
And when we're a victim in our circumstances, we haven't stepped into something that I call the law of responsibility. The law of responsibility says, if we played a part in this, Even if that part is that we had high expectations. If we played a part in it, we can change it, we can influence it.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
So how do we know if we have good blood sugar and good metabolic health? I strongly believe that you can't manage what you don't measure. And metabolic health can be difficult to measure. This is why I use levels. And I've been using levels for years to track my daily health metrics and habits, and ultimately to optimize my blood sugar and optimize my metabolic health.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
But if it's not our fault at all, if it's somebody else's fault, if somebody should have had it right, if somebody should have done it, they should have made it more clear, they should have been on time, they should have fixed the Bluetooth, whatever it is. If it's not our fault, then the problem with that is that we can't change things. And we become unhappy.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
And unfortunately, we live in a society that encourages that behavior. Nobody woke up today and said, I'm going to choose unhappiness. But what often happens is that we internalize without being conscious of it, these expectations of how things should go. Exactly.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
And we set ourself up in this position where we become incredibly reliant on all these categories that you've listed out in the book, which I find super helpful. And now we have the opposite of the title of the book. We have changes that don't last. Yeah. And we feel, what's wrong with me? I got the short end of the stick. Everybody's against me. Nothing works out for me.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
And maybe you're not saying that out loud to yourself, but I know a lot of people that are listening today that have felt that in the background. They feel that life is not working for them. And that's the perfect opportunity to actually use the discomfort of that to step into a different way of experiencing this world.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Levels helps me fundamentally understand how my food and my lifestyle decisions are impacting my health for the better or for the worse. Levels is not just something that helps me optimize my energy levels during the day, but it also helps me make an investment in my long-term health because so many of
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
of our modern chronic diseases you've heard on this podcast so many times are directly linked to metabolic health, including diabetes, prediabetes, heart disease, Alzheimer's disease, and so many more. I use Levels with a continuous glucose monitor to get my own personalized data, which I've found to be really powerful to understand my unique physiology.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
You know, the through line of this book is really awareness. And if we develop and practice growing our awareness, we can understand the hidden forces that are out there that continuously hijack our life. When you go upstream and you find those hidden forces, you don't have to work as hard for long lasting change. That's it, that's it. You don't have to work as hard.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
That's what I've gotten from the book is that it's actually easier. It's a more easier and direct path, even though it seems quote unquote longer because you're not using willpower, you're using awareness. Now, a key part of awareness that you talk about in the book is that many people, because of our modern life,
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
and the way that technology is, and the way that ultra-processed foods are designed, and the way that our schedules are over-packed and busy, and how we're sort of living in a way that's distant from nature and our environment, is that a lot of people don't have good interoception.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
But you can also now use Levels without a continuous glucose monitor. That's right. Levels has recently launched some exciting new features to help you track your own macros, protein, fiber, and fat, carbohydrates, and sugar, and to create daily habits around these macros for your health goals.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
They actually don't know in any given moment that they're starting to bubble up because of these micro-stressors or things that are going on in their life. And then they get in their car, and they get cut off and it turns into, this is an extreme example, but we've all seen those videos where it turns into an extreme road rage incident off of something .
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Now, maybe you haven't been in a road rage incident, I hope you haven't been, but we've all had this moment where we've freaked out on our partner, our employee, our kid, and we've overreacted to a situation. And it wasn't about that situation, we had been bubbling up for a while.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
And one of my favorite parts of your book is where you go into this section and you talk about the nine different sort of body signals that our body is actually constantly trying to communicate to us and tell us that something is off. And for most of us, we don't notice it strongly enough or we ignore it completely. I think it'd be worthwhile to just talk about a few of these.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Can I just list a couple of them off for you? And you can talk about them either individually or as a whole. I found this very helpful because I have a friend who feels like they don't have good interoception and they're very reactive. And part of my discussion with them the other day was that
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
it's actually kind of catching yourself bubbling up in that moment to that point that you end up reacting to in this particular instance. They always notice when they get on the phone with their mom, they end up having this sort of very reactive type of conversation that's there. So I'm going to list a couple of these out. I'll list out like the first three.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
And if you want to chat about them, then you can talk about them. If you want to talk about body signals as a whole, that's fine too. So the first one is physical discomfort. The next one you had was heart rate changes. Then you had breathing patterns. And the fourth one was gut reactions.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
I'm not going to list them all, but anything you want to say about one of those or all of those when it comes to interoception?
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
They also provide insights based on trends in your health metrics to help guide you to make decisions that will have a positive impact on your long-term health. Lastly, one of the main reasons that I'm a huge fan of levels is now you can get your labs done through the levels app or opt to upload your own labs in the app. Thank you so much for having me.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
To add to that as well is that it's not that you'll never deal with those things moving forward. I'm sure there's times where you notice yourself just like I do, where I still procrastinate sometimes, but that gap between procrastination and then being able to move forward, it's like, a smaller moment, right? I let myself feel that moment of procrastination.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
I can feel annoyed that I have to do something. For example, like these podcasts, your podcast, my podcast, one of the reasons that they're free is that we have sponsors. And one of the things that I regularly procrastinate about that my sisters know, cause they helped me with this podcast is I regularly procrastinate reading ads. They'll put it on my calendar. I'll shift it.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
I'll push it to later. I'll do anything else that's there. And I'm like, oh man, like I love the sponsors that are there. I believe in the products, but it's just sitting down and like reading ads. It feels like it takes a lot of effort and energy and I procrastinate on it, but I'll have a moment. I'll sit there. And then I'll like say, okay, I've moved it around a few times.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Let me just get it done because I know I'll feel good getting it done. And I know I'll feel good having my, you know, having that to do checked off my sister's list because my older sister, Herschel, shout out to her. She helps me with my podcast and with the ads and everything. So I'll still feel these moments that are there, but they're moments. When I was younger,
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I would have procrastination that would be so debilitating, I would not take major risks in life. I would literally not pursue a dream because I was afraid of something not working out. What if it doesn't work out? What if I'm not good enough? And I would procrastinate weeks, months, if not years on a major initiative. I'm sure you can relate to that as well.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
I do want to share with the audience, and I'd love to get your thoughts on this. It's not that I never feel procrastination. It's not that I've never felt burnout. It just takes a lot longer. And then when it happens, I just move through it so much more quicker.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
And the big thing is, because of some of these themes that you talk about in your book that I 100% try to practice in my own life, is that I don't Stay there because I'm not addicted to beating myself up, right? I'm not addicted to making myself wrong. I see myself as, okay, great. I'm a human being. Sometimes I'm going to have moments of procrastination. I'm not going to beat myself up.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
I'm going to let go of that. I'm going to have forgiveness for myself. know that I did my best and now I don't stay there. So many people stay there and my heart goes out to them. If somebody is listening today and they feel like, but Rangan, I get stuck there. I beat myself up.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Is there any lesson in your book out of the nine that are there that you feel would be timely to bring up as a part of this conversation right now?
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Like what's my relationship with the word? Yeah. I don't really feel a lot of regret in my life. I generally feel like there are times where I maybe made a mistake, mishandled a relationship, done this, but I generally see as like, I did the best that I knew at that time. And I tend to not linger on it.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
So in one way, I'm obsessed with the word regret because I'm trying to, a big positive fuel in my life is thinking about what will I regret if I don't pursue? And another aspect is looking backwards and I actually don't use regret a lot to look at how things have gone. Does that make any sense?
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It's a good positive motivator, but I actually don't look back on things that have happened in my life with any sense of regret.
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I'd love to get your thoughts on this. Tony Robbins has this kind of quote, and I'm paraphrasing here. He says, you're not a perfectionist, you're just afraid. And sometimes we use this idea of perfectionism to actually prevent us from doing the things in our life that, oh, I can't put out this book that I've been working on for a while because it's not perfect.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Well, is it that you're waiting for it to be perfect or are you just simply afraid of what it looks like to put yourself out there? And whether somebody wants to write a book, start a new venture, be involved, speak up in a conversation, I don't have this perfectly written out. I don't know the perfect way to say it to somebody else. Is there really a perfect or is it okay to say, you know what?
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I'm afraid. And that's fine to be afraid. But that's not a reason not to move forward in this.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
You see this in health and wellness a lot. It's a byproduct of sort of where the industry is, is that I can't start on these changes because I don't know the perfect answer for that. I don't have the perfect supplement routine or the this, or so I'm not going to do it because it's not all put together. What would you say to somebody who feels that?
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You know, one of the best things I've ever done for my health is get a Life Force membership. Life Force is a revolutionary health platform that uses biomarker testing, telehealth consultations with functional medicine doctors, one-on-one coaching, and more to help you take control of your health.
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I'd love to get your perspective on this other aspect. You know, one of the lessons that I talk about for my audience based on my own experience as not in subject matter expertise, but somebody who's just trying to figure out his own health routine and gets a chance to interview incredible people like yourself and other great guests in this podcast.
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Every three months, they come to my house and take a blood sample to see how I'm progressing with all my health goals and key biomarkers. One that I was concerned about personally was my APOB, which is a critical marker for assessing cardiovascular health.
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I've seen that one of the biggest stressors in my life has been when I try to do too many things at the same time. As you know, and you hinted earlier, every time somebody listens to a new episode of your podcast, there's an unlimited list of things that they could be doing. And sometimes guests will even come in.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
You're really good about sort of toning this down, but guests come in because they believe their particular worldview. And that could turns into a should. You should be doing this. Right. And if we add up all the things that we come across in the week from people that we love and trust, people listen to you, they love and trust you and other people like yourself.
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If you add up the list of things that you could be doing or things that people say you should be doing, there's just way too much on our plates. And in fact, sometimes my favorite thing is to hear really great piece of advice from somebody, to think about it for a second and say, that's great.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Maybe one day that'll be something that I decide to tackle, but it's not the right priority for me right now because I'm giving love and attention to this one aspect. And this goes back to this idea in your book of trusting yourself.
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One of the things that I know is that when I am trying to make major progress on more than one or maybe maximum two areas of my health, and ideally those are the foundational basics, if I'm trying to work on more than one of those at the same time, I'm most likely not going to make significant progress.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
So how much do you feel that so much of what's happening for people right now is there's not that sort of trust in themselves and it's that, oh, this person out there said that these are things that I should be doing. And so now they have a whole laundry list and they feel bad every day when they think about all the things that they're not doing.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Using their platform to track my ApoB and making a bunch of changes to my diet and lifestyle, I've been able to get my ApoB down with targeted advice and I have peace of mind that I'll continue to keep that ApoB in check by getting my blood work done every three months to ensure I'm heading in the right direction. ApoB is just one of the many markers that Lifeforce looks at.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
You know, Rangan, as we're winding down this interview, and you've given us so many gems that are helping us think about, like, what does it really take to go upstream, increase awareness, and through that vehicle of awareness, we end up making changes that last. The question that I'd like to ask you is, zooming out even a little bit bigger than that, is that what's the why behind this, right?
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
It sounds so simple, but it's a good reminder, especially for the end of the interview of like, sometimes we can forget when we're so in the thick of it, like, why are we doing this all? You know, why are we doing all these habits, changes, prioritizing our health?
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
You know, what do you want to remind people about the why of like, what is possible for them when they actually step into the place in their life? when they can make changes that last?
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And even sometimes people feel like I get the worst of me. People are harder on themselves than they are anybody else that's out there. And they beat themselves up. Yeah.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
You know, we were chatting beforehand. I honestly think this conversation right now is the most timely conversation that needs to happen. You were mentioning like, this is completely different than your previous books.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
And it's for good reason because you're not telling people what to do. Not that your previous books were like, do this, don't do that. But you're teaching people how to trust themselves, how to go inward because that's where all the answers are.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
And especially around this time of year where everybody has all the priorities of the things that they should be doing with their health, I think this is the perfect opportunity to take a step back and to actually say, what do I really want? What is actually working for me? What's not working for me?
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
And if I'm not heading in the direction that I want to head in, is there a different path that's out there? And I really truly feel that this book lays out a possible path a framework that you can personalize and make your own. And honestly, it's my favorite book that you've written so far.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
So I just want to thank you so much for this podcast, for your friendship, but also putting this incredible work out there. The book is out there. People can pre-order it. It's out in the UK, in the US, everywhere books are sold. Make change that lasts. Any final words, Rangan, before we take us out?
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Well said, brother. Well, Rangan, I want to thank you for coming on the podcast again and sharing this important message. I couldn't think of a more important and timely conversation for our audience to tune into. Thank you so much for being back on here.
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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Hi everyone, Drew here. Two quick things. Number one, thank you so much for listening to this podcast. If you haven't already, subscribe. Just hit the subscribe button on your favorite podcast app. And by the way, if you love this episode, it would mean the world to me. And it's the number one thing that you can do to support this podcast is share with a friend.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
Hi everyone, Drew Proat here. Millions of people worldwide experience chronic pain, and it's heartbreaking. Yet despite its prevalence, myths about what caused chronic pain are pervasive, and the traditional treatment approach focuses on pain suppression over addressing its root causes.
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Yeah, so it sends them on a wild rabbit chase and they think that this disc or bulge is what's driving it. And it could lead to... And it's not. It could lead to aggressive recommendations of surgery and other things, which often makes the situation worse. No, that's great advice. You know, this goes into this other larger topic that our audience would love to hear from you on.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
What are the most evidence-based... adjacent, alternative, and supportive components that you have seen significantly move the needle forward when it comes to all types of chronic pain, but in particular, lower back, shoulder, sciatica as being the top ones that people are looking for answers on.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
You know, earlier in your interview, you were saying that one of the challenges is we all just sit and we don't move our bodies throughout the rest of the day. What are some of your do's and don'ts and tips for when it comes to many of us that are watching even today on YouTube are sitting down? We're sitting in our jobs. We're sitting in the car.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
What are some things that people can be doing to be mindful of how they're sitting, have breaks or other guidelines that could follow so that we don't over abuse our body through all this sitting?
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What about posture of sitting or getting a high-quality chair? Do those things make a difference?
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
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I further explore the brain-pain connection in my conversation with Dr. Howard Schubiner. Dr. Schubiner's work challenges traditional beliefs that pain is solely the result of physical injuries. And in our conversation, we discuss how the brain often generates pain in response to an unresolved stress or trauma.
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Let's listen in as Dr. Schubiner details different models for understanding chronic pain and introduces his groundbreaking approach to treatment. Dr. Howard Schubiner, welcome to the podcast. Today, we're talking all about chronic pain, why it's so common and how to unlearn our pain by reprogramming the brain. You know, something mind blowing that I learned from you
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
on the topic of chronic pain and is a great place for us to start just about how pervasive this issue is in the world, and especially here in America, is one mind-blowing statistic that you shared is that back pain has doubled in the last 20 years in the United States.
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Share with me, and there's a whole story about why that might be the case and how pain evolves, but give us a little bit more of a state of the union of pain today and why it seems to be increasing every decade or so.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
So in today's compilation episode, I dive into some of the most common misconceptions about chronic pain with scientist and physician, Dr. Andrea Ferling. She talks about many of the main drivers of chronic pain and the tools for managing it.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
Tell us a little bit more about the basics. It sounds so fundamental, yet so many of us don't understand the connection between pain and the brain. What is pain in the body?
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
That's the beauty of podcasts. Please digress.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
It is mind-blowing when you think of it that way, and it leads to a whole bunch of questions which we're going to be getting into. But before we jump forward, I actually want to talk about why is our current approach to pain management and pain intervention, why is it a little bit broken? Can you talk about that?
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
I personally, knock on wood, have not been in chronic pain, but I've had multiple family members who have struggled with chronic pain.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
No, not at all. This is why people are here. This is why I'm here. We're with you.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
would it be a fair statement to say then that individuals going down the process which is something that you write about and research about the symptom perception model right a new approach a third door you know so to speak that's available a third way that the vast majority of people could see at least the possibility of a significant improvement right is that a fair statement to say individuals dealing with chronic pain
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
There's hope, which is a beautiful thing and an important message for people to hear today. You know, to understand the solution, sometimes we have to get a better sense of the problem. And you talked about how our system is broken and these three different approaches. The one thing I'd like to touch on just for a moment here is
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
While we're not here to put blame, we are here to highlight incentives. Can you talk about some of the incentives, especially in the United States and the sort of modern industrial medical complex that we all live in? A lot of it, which is well intentioned, but sometimes is incentivized by the wrong thing. How have these other two models.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
and the incentives that drive them contributed to this broken system that we're in?
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
You know, another item that you have sounded the alarm on in interviews and in your book is helping people understand that often a narrative that they might hear is if they go into a practitioner, a physician that might be specializing in things like back pain through the biomedical model, they might get a scan, they might get an x-ray, they might get an MRI.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
themes which are quite common hey you have a bulging disc you have this structural issue you have that structural issue and then the patient feels like oh okay i got it it's because of x i have this chronic pain which is y so
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
obviously i'm going to go and listen to this individual who helped me identify this issue now i know what the root of this situation is and i can go and address it tell us why that often not always but often is kind of um a story that doesn't add up to the data that's out there
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
Oh yeah, there's a lot of gray on my beard.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
And I also speak with professor and director of the MindBody Center at Ascension Providence Hospital in Sutherfield, Michigan, Dr. Howard Schubiner, about why we're seeing an increased prevalence of chronic pain. and the clinically proven treatments and approaches that he and his team use to pain management. But first, let's dive into my conversation with Dr. Andrea Furlan.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
That's incredible. And it's all part of helping us as a society. And thank you and your colleagues for the work that you're doing, because it's helping us understand the true root issues that are there regarding pain. One thing that you've shared a lot about, for example, and you hinted at earlier in the episode, you talked about individuals that have had adverse childhood experiences.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
and how that could be, in some instances, be corresponding to pain that they're feeling later in life that may not have a structural component to it. So can we talk about that for a second? If you could explain the ACEs study and how it's related to trauma and the narrative of pain and the story that our brain is telling us.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
You know, for individuals who are listening today who themselves are struggling with chronic pain or know somebody, How do we even take that first step to begin to know the awareness of how key life events are playing most likely a significant role in the existence of chronic pain? What are the modalities? And is it important? And is it something that people can do on their own?
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
Or typically, would you say they have to work with a practitioner?
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
Because also your brain, not to anthropomorphize it, but your brain loves you. It wants to look out for you. It wants to protect you.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
It's a huge change. And so it's strengthening the connection between how we feel and where our perception exists in that moment. It's always there, but sometimes if we're not zooming in and aware of it, it's so easy to let the trappings of day-to-day life cover it over. From the outside, as you share these examples, it's quite obvious.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
that there's an emotional and an internal perception, deep connection to the pain that's there. But for most of us, we're so used to our surroundings and our life that it's easy to overlook the history of those things and how they show up for us on a day-to-day basis and are connected to that pain.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
Furthering our understanding of the way that emotions, past traumas, and lifestyle practices all play a role in driving chronic pain offers a profound opportunity for healing and addressing the true root causes of pain and providing alternatives beyond traditional pain suppression strategies.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
And this understanding provides alternatives beyond traditional pain suppression strategies, which are doing their best, but often fall short for the populations. If you're interested in hearing more from Dr. Schubiner and Dr. Andrea Furlan and the specific tools that they like to use to assess and combat pain, you can check out their full-length episodes in the show notes below.
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
Absolutely. If you had to rank on average the top drivers of chronic pain, the things that are confusing our alarm system. even though everybody's unique situation is different, how would you rank some of those things in order of most important as it relates to driving some of this pain to then kind of least and so on and so forth?
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And as always, if you've enjoyed this conversation and know someone in your life who might benefit from this information and is navigating the topic of chronic pain, please consider sharing this episode with them. Until next time, Drew Perowit signing off. Thank you for tuning in.
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What are still some of the top myths that you see that are out there when it comes to treating chronic pain?
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What is Your Body Trying to Tell You? The Top Causes of Chronic Pain and How to Tackle Pain Head On
Let's talk about one of the most common types of chronic pain, lower back pain. I think it's repeatedly mentioned as the number one thing that people are going through.
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If someone was going to put together some exercises, exercise snacks, some corrective things, and even maybe some lifestyle issues that they might want to pay attention to, you know, you're not diagnosing anybody, this isn't medical advice, but just to help people understand what's possible and available to them, how would you approach lower back pain?
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Let's come back to chronic pain as a bigger picture. We talked about how lower back pain is one of the top things that people complain about regularly. I think you even said in one of your videos that 100% of people will go through some sort of lower back pain in their life, right? Especially if they live long enough.
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From there, what's the next biggest one that you see people looking for answers, resources and solutions that you are trying to provide tools for them?
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Dr. Habib, welcome to the podcast. A big part of your mission and what you're here to do today is to help people understand that when their vagus nerve is out of whack, everything in their life becomes tougher. So give us a short reminder of what the vagus nerve is.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
what i'm hearing from you is that while we don't have exact way to test the health of the vagus nerve that is available at scale for people that some of the best proxies are the trend data over time from these wearables like a whoop i have an aura i have a whoop as well so people are using these and they see that trend data so in this instance your patient
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is seeing that whatever they were doing on Friday and Saturday, which you'll be talking about ways to improve your HRV and your recovery, those things were resulting in more heart rate variability. More heart rate variability means that we are, as you mentioned, healing better, recovering better, and it's going to be a good proxy that we're supporting our vagus nerve. Is that accurate?
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
And just to add in there, it's not just that, having talked a little bit with you about these slides, it's not just that he could perform better at the gym or go for a longer run. It's also that when our HRV is working well and we are ranking higher in our score, it's We're less anxious of an individual. We might notice that our digestion is improved that day.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
We're less reactive to the events of the world. Can you talk a little bit more about that? Going back to your original components, not saying that in one day it solves for everybody, but that is it common that people would see an improvement?
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And many of these symptoms, especially when they have a trend of scoring higher on their HRV and recovery, that they're going to actually notice that it's not just about lifting more weights in the gym. You actually start to notice that certain things are not impacting you as much.
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And more importantly, or just as importantly, help us understand what are the top signs that our vagus nerve is not working in the way that it should be working.
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Just to add in here, one of the top recommendations inside of your book is obviously people paying attention to their breath. And why I like this section of your presentation is that It's one thing to tell people, hey, focus on breathing techniques, do more of that in your life.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
But also because we tend to not have the best interoception of how we're doing, these wearables can be a great resource to say, hey, is that breathing exercise? And you recommend a bunch inside of your book. Is that breathing exercise? Is that meditation? Is that thing that I'm trying?
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So my wife and I both have an Oura ring and I also use a Whoop pretty regularly as well. And unfortunately this summer while we were on vacation, our place in LA got broken into. And luckily everybody's safe, but some items were stolen and it's more of just a violation of privacy and other components that were there.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
And my wife was noticing that naturally after this break-in, even though we weren't there physically when this thing happened, there was a general sense of not feeling safe. And that led to a situation where both she had a decrease in her HRV And she was also noticing that the respiratory rate was not as good as it once had been.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
And so even though we're sleeping in the same way, we have our eight sleep, we're sleeping on time, we have our blue light blocking glasses, all the things that we do, our magnesium, just her not feeling safe in that location. So ultimately we made the decision to move from the place that we were at to a place that felt more in alignment with what she wanted in terms of safety and everything.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
And within a matter of a few weeks, we saw that respiratory rate and that HRV related to sleep, especially improved significantly. And I look back at that and it's just her nervous system feeling a lot more safe, a lot more secure in the new location that we're in compared to where we were previously.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
So this goes back to this general sense of if we're regularly feeling, and in that case, there's obviously a physical sense of safety, but even it could be an emotional sense of lack of safety that people feel. I was just having dinner with a friend the other day who was saying that they were going through a very tough time with a business dealing that they were having,
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
And for two weeks, they couldn't sleep well. And their HRV tanked. Again, that's an example of how an emotional situation could throw us off. We all know these things. We all feel them in our life. It's not groundbreaking news. But when you actually have a wearable, and this is not an endorsement for any particular wearable, we don't have any affiliation with them.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
It's more just when you have that tracking information, you can see, hey, I'm not It's not just in my head that this is going on. This is actually genuinely impacting my nervous system, impacting my vagus nerve. So now is the time to double down on prioritizing my sense of activating and supporting the vagus nerve in a way that lets my body feel safe again.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
I'd love to ask you, think about our modern world and help our audience understand. If you had to rank the things that you typically see in your clinic, your practice, that are most often damaging the vagus nerve or impacting how it functions in our day-to-day life, you shared some of the top symptoms that were there. What would you say are the top things that damage the vagus nerve?
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
I'm a huge fan of glucose monitors. My audience knows I'm an investor in Levels Health. I love what they're up to. And just like you were sharing earlier that these tools are great for the trends that they show. And you can match those trends up with certain symptoms that you're having and see if there's a correlation or provide many practitioners now will actually take your data and
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
and use it to inform their diagnosis and just like hrv is not great at diagnostic but the trends are helpful i would also just put a little caveat even though i'm a huge fan of glucose monitors is that you know your body is meant to be able to put up with some of those stressors that are there so if your blood glucose does go up a little bit in the morning where naturally our cortisol is higher so that's going to already spike on top of then you have kids and rushing around and other stuff
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
Great. Your body should actually be able to handle some of that stuff, and it's not the end of the world. It's more to look at this data along with symptoms that you're having. Like, do you, after that, crave unhealthy foods because then you have a big drop in blood glucose? Is your metabolic labs, your fasting insulin, your A1C, are those also off?
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
And now you're paying attention to the particular eating pattern or stress pattern that might be driving some of those things. So like all these things, great information that helps us make better and informed decisions of how we want to show up in our life.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
Would you say that the lowest hanging fruit for the vast majority of the population that's out there to improve their vagus nerve function is simply just doubling down on sleep in terms of the attention they give it? Just getting more time in bed, getting better quality sleep, giving themselves the permission to let other people around them know that
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
that, hey, I'm taking sleep seriously, would you say, or would it be fair to say that that is the lowest hanging fruit for people who wanna be serious about improving the vagus nerve?
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
For a lot of us, we can think, and there are things that we can do additionally to just sleep, and we'll be touching on some of those there. But when you look at the list of things that can insult and impact the vagus nerve for the worse, it can feel easy to feel overwhelmed by them.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
You have everything from childhood trauma, which plays a huge role in people, or adverse childhood events, bad divorce amongst parents. some sort of being sick a lot as a kid, dealing with health issues, having a parent who's an alcoholic, a whole list of things that could be there.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
You have toxins, which we're all exposed to, some more than others, but we all are going to have some toxins in our water and our air and our other supply, and we're just doing our best to minimize them. Diet, you touched on a little bit. Of course, sleep quality. But when you add the list up and people see it, It can feel easy to feel overwhelmed.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
And part of today's conversation with you, Dr. Abib, is reminding people that, look, the problem is big and it's not getting enough attention. And yes, there are a lot of things that can damage the vagus nerve, but there are just a few simple things, if we can pay attention to them, that will make a huge difference.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
And then for other people who are really dealing with something more complicated, it could be worthwhile to work with a practitioner like yourself or other individuals.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
Most functional medicine doctors are going to be knowing a little bit about the vagus nerve and can support and then getting into the weeds to figure out toxins exposure or to treat an autoimmune condition or whatever it might end up being. But just a reminder that a lot of the things that will move the needle forward are things that we can all do at home, at least to get started.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
And for some people listening, you may not be exercising at night, but you could be dealing with stressful emails at night that you don't need to be dealing with. I think it's so important to protect
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
that last little bit of the day as you mentioned book ending the day protect your sleep if you're doing things that are too extraneous for you some people might be able to deal with a stressful email for somebody else and it doesn't bug them great you're fine everybody's different like i can watch an action movie at night and take a little bit of time for recovery and still be okay but
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
My wife can watch an action movie at night and feel completely wrecked. And all night long, she's dreaming of violent scenes and other things, which I absolutely do not want her going through. So we don't watch anything stimulating like that together at night. If we're going to watch anything, it's going to be a lot more calm and chill. So again, everybody intuitively kind of feels these things.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
But when you see the data actually there that your heart rate is higher and your heart is working harder because it's dealing with this sort of anxiety in the system or your vagus nerve to go back to your example is feeling like, Hey, something is going on. There might be a threat or something could happen that is going to impact your sleep.
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And that's going to make it a lot harder to show up the next day to do what you want to do in life.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
You know, when I look at all this data that you're sharing, again, I'm left with the reminder that simple devices that generally have become a lot more affordable, I think the Oura Ring and the Whoop, you know, you might spend a hundred or a couple hundred dollars, which is an investment for some people, but better investment than splurging on some luxury good, like a handbag or a new phone when your current phone works, you know, great.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
in my opinion, no judgment, you know, investing in your health, couple hundred dollars for one of these devices. And then you might be paying a monthly subscription of, you know, 99 bucks, somewhere around there to get access to the ongoing health information.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
You're going to get such a level of an insight that again, is going to be a good proxy of how your vagus nerve is going to be showing up that now you're going to have data that informs you on lifestyle modifications. And generally what I've seen is that a lot of us know that, Hey, In this phase of life, I'm not sleeping as well as I should be.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
Or in this phase of life, I've been over-consuming foods that I know don't agree with me. But when we see that data, it's one thing to kind of know it and have an internal dialogue in your head about it.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
But then when you see that data that you're actually, your heart is working harder than it needs to, or you're breathing harder than you need to, there's something that clicks for a lot of people where that's the motivating factor for them.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
In fact, I would say, if anything, the number one thing when I've recommended these devices for friends and they start to have more awareness of the vagus nerve, and now I'm going to be sending them your book to pick up. is they start to realize that they can make a huge impact with just a few small changes in their lifestyle.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
And again, some people are dealing with bigger stuff and they might need to work with a practitioner. Great, we have people like you that are available for individuals, but there's so much agency that we have to make a difference. And we don't have to feel like we're left with bad genetics or, hey, it's my parents' fault or the situation's fault for this childhood trauma that went. Yeah.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
It might be, but we can still make a difference even amongst whatever life circumstances or cards we were dealt with.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
with better executive function because you've invested in knowing where you currently stand and the things that are causing you to knock down or to build up so make it worth more than you paid for it i think is the best way to look at this you're going to pay for it one way or another might as well invest into something like an aura ring or a healthy diet or a gym membership or you're going to end up giving that money to the medical system or prescription drugs or other things like that that are out there
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
Dr. Habib, this has been great. As we wind down now after your fantastic presentation, I promised that we would touch on it, but just give us a few of your other recommendations. So number one, obviously we have your book. People can pick it up and they can learn more about the vagus nerve and you go deeper into all the things that you presented today. Number two, wearables can be super helpful.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
to help you track that data over time and have a proxy for how the vagus nerve is showing up. What are the recommendations? We've already chatted a bunch of things about sleep, but what are the recommendations that you often leave your patients with when it comes to all the different ways to protect the vagus nerve?
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
So even if they're basic, like eating a whole food diet, minimizing sugar, give us some of those as a list so our audience has them and understands other things that they can do to improve how their vagus nerve shows up.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
That's great. I want to thank you, Dr. Habib, for your presentation and for reminding our audience, even if they've heard of the term vagus nerve, what tools are available to them to really prioritize this 10th cranial nerve, one of the most important nerves inside of the body, because we live in a
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
Unfortunately, impacting it in a lot of different ways and a lot of different ways that many of us don't know. But there's a lot that we can do about it. If people want to stay in touch with you and our audience, obviously, we have the link to your show notes below.
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What's the best way to be able to keep in touch with you in this incredible conversation that you're prioritizing and putting out in the world?
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
Amazing. And last question, are you taking on new patients? I'm always highlighting people who are practitioners who are taking people on because I think that, you know, if you're going to have somebody amazing on and somebody's looking for additional resources, you always want to highlight some people are, some people aren't, but are you taking on new patients?
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
Okay, great. We'll see what happens after this podcast. Hopefully we'll send some people over. Dr. Arby, thank you again for being on the podcast, for sharing this information. I couldn't think of a better time of year, especially that we all need to invest into protecting our nervous system, including our vagus nerve.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
That's fantastic. You know, one of the greatest things that's happened, this is your second book now on Vegas Nerve. And the book is called Upgrade Your Vegas Nerve. We have the link in the show notes below. People can check it out. Since your first book, something amazing has happened. A lot more people are using these wearables. that maybe they're not perfect.
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
You're going to talk about that, but they can give us an indication of a proxy of where our vagus nerve is. Can you talk about that?
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
And then you've also additionally, for those that are watching on video on YouTube, and we have the link below for those that are looking on audio, you have a series of slides that you can help us get an understanding of how many of us who have these wearables can do a little bit of an audit to see where our vagus nerve health is, or maybe in some cases isn't. Can you talk about that?
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
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Struggling With Mystery Symptoms? An Expert Explains Why Your Vagus Nerve May Hold the Key and How to Fix It with Dr. Navaz Habib
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Let's talk about these two locations. I believe Plum Island and Fort Dedrick, right? Is that accurate?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
What were the experiments that you believe were going on there? And then walk us through, how do we think, based on the best knowledge that you've gathered together, that essentially that there was a lab leak that led to this experiment?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
What's the belief of how you ended up having a leakage from these experiments into the natural environment? And how did it end up being that ticks ended up being the best vehicle, so to speak, for that?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
When you look at this whole situation, it's easy for somebody who's new to this topic to think, Okay. Is this just a bunch of conspiracy connecting the dots, Pfizer, biological lab leaks, this situation, that situation, bioweapons, or is it something else?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
For those that are listening that feel skeptical, primarily because they're new to the story, what are some important things that you want to share to them?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
How much of this is known and how much of this is you filling in the gaps to the best degree that you can from having your own individual research that's there? For example, this idea that America has a long history of creating bioweapons and dropping it on our enemies. Is that established and understood as truthful in our history and origin as a country?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
When I had first heard about your book and your work on another podcast that I was listening to, one of the reasons that it stuck out to me as being so important for us to chat about is it's really sort of two areas that kind of came up for me. And I'd love for you to expand on these and also share your own thoughts on this before we continue on other questions that I had.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
The first one was, number one, I believe around 450,000 people or 470,000 people, something like that, based on the estimates. are diagnosed and treated for Lyme every year in North America alone. And if there's not an honest conversation about the origins of Lyme and that it's not necessarily one thing, that it could be multiple things that people are getting infected with,
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
then the people that are suffering with this aren't getting appropriate levels of care because it's understood to be something more simplistic. And then the second aspect is that if we don't understand that our country has had a history of
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
in things like creating biological weapons and sure maybe with well intentions that our enemies at the time in the cold war russia cuba other soviet-aligned communist-aligned countries were also developing these things trying to deploy it maybe on our own citizens so we might have had well-intentioned reasons to pursue it but if we don't understand that it's possible that these biological weapons could backfire and impact our own
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population, then we're much less likely to understand the continuing research in those areas. And obviously, even the implications of our funding of gain of research work that happened in during the coronavirus, which led to economic collapse and the death of millions of people around the world, which obviously is also a theory, but is becoming more and more proven as information comes along.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
So those are the two things that stood out to me the most about why this conversation matters, besides just the curiosity of like, wow, this is nuts. If this is actually how it happened, this is actually freaking crazy. Any comments on that or anything that you want to expand on for why you also are super passionate about this topic?
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Yeah, I heard about alpha-gal and I thought, wow, this is nuts. You literally can't eat meat. Like people get all sorts of crazy visceral reaction when they have meat. And so you're saying that that is in some way potentially a derivative of these ticks that were experimented on?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Coming back to something else that you were chatting about earlier, after your book was written, I believe that there was a congressman that came across the book, Chris Smith, and called for an open investigation into the origins of Lyme disease. How far did that go? And what do you think ended up not having to have more momentum for that open investigation to be called?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Do you feel more optimistic now that there is new leadership that's in position, whether it be the NIH, whether it be things like the Maha movement that have now been embraced by more Republicans, have long been embraced? Maybe it wasn't called Maha, but... Certain senators on the Democratic side were a lot more open to it over the years, like Cory Booker talking about chronic disease.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
But do you feel more optimistic about the future investments that could be made in this area to help people who are still continuing to suffer?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Yeah, let's talk about that for a little bit. I have, knock on wood, not been diagnosed with Lyme or any of these co-infections or viruses, bacteria that come along with it. But I'm around enough people to know that it's a messy situation when somebody is or thinks they are. And it starts off with even the fact that
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Even amongst the experts in the world that I come from, functional integrative holistic medicine, there are hot debates in terms of even what tests to do to figure out whether or not somebody has some exposure to some tick-borne diseases. Based on your best understanding right now, are there resources or an organization for a person who
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Is, you know, does see a tick bite or felt like, oh, you know what? I've had these chronic issues for a while. And yeah, I did get a tick bite once or I saw this rash. Maybe I didn't see the tick, but I saw the rash and I thought it was Lyme. But my doctor told me it probably wasn't Lyme. What?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
We'll come back to our Cold War history and why we were interested in some of these things. But let's come back to the narrative a little bit more. So talk to us about this gentleman that you mentioned, Willie. Who was he? And why was his testimony and perspective to you that was included in your documentary so vital to your research?
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is the best place for them to go to be thinking about navigating just the beginning stages, which is the diagnoses that come along with a tick-borne illness.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Great. We'll link to those in the show notes below. I want to go back to a little bit of our secret military history in the United States around some of these bioweapons. Let's go back to the Korean War. You mentioned that there was reports of bugs falling from the sky, falling over people and into the snow.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
What was the understanding of what was going on during the Korean War and what kind of bioweapons were we releasing as a country to our best knowledge?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Do you feel like separate from Lyme, there are any other modern diseases that we're faced with today that may have ties or connections to biological engineering operations?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
In other words, bioweapon facility that accidentally escaped into the public. Number one, did I get that right? And number two, why should our audience care about this conversation today?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Can you see an argument? made from let's say the individuals that were in power or might have some awareness of this you know even though this work has spanned decades this biological engineering is there some room for an argument on their side or is their best argument if you had a steel man their side of it that hey listen our enemies were up to no good this was a fight between good and evil.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
We believe that America was on the good side. We had heard that other people, nations that are much older than us were using biological weapons. We had to develop our own capacity for it. Nobody would have understood that nobody could have understood then the best scientists that were in charge of it, that our own population could be impacted or that there could be leakage that was there.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
What's happened has happened. If we dig up all this stuff and get into it now, there'll be so much distrust that's there for the American establishment, the military, whatever it might be, that we'll just lose the population. And ultimately, people will have less trust in America and our institutions.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Is that what you believe the argument would be from the individuals that might have knowledge or an understanding of these events that you think or that you theorize took place?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
You had mentioned earlier that this is a topic that is also something that's very personal for you and your family. Let's take a moment here to talk a little bit about your background as an author, a journalist, a writer, if you could talk a little bit about that.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
And then intersect also how you and your family have crossed paths with Lyme disease and a little bit of what that journey was like and how you're doing today. So let's first talk about your career a little bit.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
You said you were sicker than you ever had been. What was going on? What did you notice? And what kind of symptoms did you both have?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Is this doctor still practicing? Is it somebody that you would be willing to give a shout out to?
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And lastly, on the personal side of things, how are you guys doing today? You know, many people that have gone through Lyme,
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talk about the fact that their journey with Lyme, which is obviously much larger than just Lyme disease, it's all these other co-infections that come along with it, is an ongoing thing that makes them sometimes more susceptible or not as able to recover from other things that they're working through in life. So how are you guys doing today?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Any final words on long COVID, which is something that, you know, again, as you mentioned, the medical establishment and a lot of people view it as not existing. And then there's people like yourselves that are dealing with it and putting together resources, just like you mentioned the Lyme Foundation. What are the best groups that you found out there for people that are suffering from long COVID?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Chris, this has been fantastic to be able to talk to you about this topic. Secret history, as your book talks about, the secret history of Lyme disease and biological weapons, and most importantly, why it matters, the implications for people who are still suffering from this, and why we really need a different way forward.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
But if we're going to have a different way forward, we have to have a little bit of a truth and reconciliation with ourselves and our history. Any final words you want to leave with our audience?
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That's great advice. The book has been out there since 2020, right? Kind of at the beginning and early days of the pandemic is when the book came out, I believe, somewhere around June. Is that right?
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Yeah. When I first heard about the lab leak as really being presented as a conspiracy theory from a group that I thought sometimes gets things right, but often I'm not sure, is this a conspiracy? I thought, no way in is there something like this that we're involved? And like a lot of people, the more you learned about it, you're like, There's way more to the story here. And this looks real.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
And so the fact that we're having this conversation here about something that happened well before that just shows how important of an event COVID was that it opened people's minds that number one, we may not know the answer to everything, right? Even if you believe that, you know, government and scientists and everybody largely is operating well intentionally.
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That doesn't mean that they have the answers for everything. And then secondarily, that there are a small group of people that will do what they need to do to cover their tracks. Because if stuff got out about what they were involved in, hell would break loose. And we've definitely seen that firsthand.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
And it looks like it's very likely to be the case with the history of Lyme disease now that we have access to the work and research that you've done. So on that note, I want to thank you for not only coming on this podcast, but to taking something that happened to you and your husband, which was extremely terrible, going through all your
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healing on the journey of getting better from Lyme, but then turning into something positive for people, which is putting a magnifying glass on this terrible part of our history that's still having ongoing implications for people's health. So Chris, thank you so much for coming on the podcast and for all your work.
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TikTok, I like that. Speaking of, where's the best place for people to follow you and to continue to stay up to date on everything that you're writing about?
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Well, that's the theory that we have now with our understanding, especially with modern day lab leaks. I'm sure you saw, I think you retweeted it, but now even the New York Times is openly admitting that the origins of COVID-19 are most likely from a lab leak. We'll come back to that later on.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Fantastic. Well, we'll link to your sub stack below in the show notes.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
But back then, it sounds like your understanding and what you write about in the book a little bit is that the theory was...
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
How can you attack your enemies without it being something that could be immediately traced back to you or be something that, you know, the international public would feel, you know, well, in a good way would say, like, what the heck is this country using nuclear weapons again for? Right. So it's kind of a hidden nuclear bomb.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Is that a correct way to think about things of how they were thinking about it back then?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Now, coming back to Willie, why would you think he was willing to admit to you that there was something more sinister going on? And how does that contradict the official origin that we've all been told about where Lyme disease comes from?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
One of the things you talk about is that most doctors in medical school are trained that Lyme disease is, sure, out there in the world, but that largely the treatments are known and that addressing it is pretty straightforward. People get it from a tick.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
They often have this spiral sort of rash that develops in that area and that all they need to do is to get antibiotics for a period of a few weeks. It goes away and the story is done. Tell us why there's so much more to the story about that to Lyme and why so many people today suffering long-term consequences from mismanaged Lyme treatment.
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
As long as you address it early enough, right?
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Was Lyme Disease a Lab Leak? The Sinister History of One of the Fastest-Growing Infectious Diseases
Wow. You know, coming back to the original origin story, if you were giving, I like to zoom in and zoom out on interviews. So it's just zooming out here for a second to make sure that our audience is following along. Okay. If you were giving the, you know, 30, 45 second elevator pitch around your book bitten, which the link is in the show notes below, people can pick up a copy.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
Dr. Nathan Bryan, welcome back to the podcast. We have you here today to talk about the holy grail of health, nitric oxide, and the miracle molecule, as you like to call it. And specifically, we're going to start off today's episode by tier ranking the root causes of visceral fat, inflammation, and disease relating to poor nitric oxide production. Are you game for that? Let's do it.
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I probably would have different feelings on that. So you can reduce your seed oil intake by reducing your ultra processed food intake. And then I think on the saturated fat side, it's contextual. I think there are people that do much better on a higher saturated fat diet.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
And there's people like me that are not afraid of saturated fat that I actually don't do great when my saturated fat gets up there a lot. I'm a hyper reabsorber of cholesterol. My ApoB tends to be really high, even when I'm just eating very healthy, just naturally, genetically, I reabsorb a lot. It's around like 180. And I do believe high ApoB over the course of a lifetime is atherogenic. Right.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
And I'm not trying to get my ApoB a lot higher. higher, when I would have a lot of coconut oil in my diet, when I'd have a lot of saturated fat in my diet, my ApoB was up in the 250, 280 range. And even though I've gotten my Clearly scan on my heart, the AI CCTA scan, and my heart health was great, fantastic, I'm just not willing to bet the farm over the course of my life.
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And I know that it's individualized. So Like all things, if you can find an incredible practitioner to help you navigate all this stuff, that's a great place to be. But at least in your thoughts, in your opinion, seed oil, if we had a Z, it would be on there. So we're going to put it as an F on our, on our tearing system.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
Well, we just talked about this, but let's talk about it again. Tell us the role of ultra-processed foods and how they impact our nitric oxide production.
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So this is ultra-processed, but I'll let you share the whole spectrum.
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So if you had to give alcohol a grade as it's related to not just nitric oxide, but the whole conversation of visceral fat inflammation. And again, to contextualize it, you're talking about a moderate light level of drinking, right? Where would you put it on our ranking here? All right, we have S is supreme. That means like something is really actually genuinely great for you.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
Yeah, it hasn't broken down.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
We don't have an E, but we have a D and an F. Okay.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
All right. So we're going to give ultra processed food a D on the system. So, so far we have a D for ultra processed food. We have smoking as an F and we also have seed oils, which we talked about as an F. In fact, if we could have it be a Z, you would have given it a Z. Awesome. Let's zoom out a little bit for a second.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
I was really interested to see that in the new book, you talked about the role of nitric oxide when it comes to fat in the body and retaining fat. Can you talk to us a little bit about that?
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Are you a fan of cold plunging?
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
Let's talk about another one that's on this list. Poor sleep. What's the role of sleep? And especially what's the role of poor, inconsistent, high quality sleep when it comes to nitric oxide production?
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And then we have the classic grades, A, B, C, D, F. Where are we going to put alcohol on this tier rank system?
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You've covered this before, but this is a good opportunity to remind people, how is nitric oxide actually created in the body? After I turned 40, I started doing everything I could to understand what was going on with my heart and making sure that I do everything that I could to protect it as I get older.
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I'm sure a lot of you can relate to this, but metabolic dysfunction and high cholesterol are rampant in my family. So, you know, while I may be genetically predisposed to certain things because of my South Asian background, I'm doing everything in my power to help prevent trouble down the road with lifestyle, nutrition, and targeted supplements.
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You mentioned the foods that support nitric oxide production and the lifestyle habits. We're going to talk about a couple, but we actually have a separate list that we're going to go through, 12 things that really, really supercharge and support nitric oxide production. So stay tuned. We're going to get to that in a second. So where would we put poor sleep on our list of, you know, A, B, C, D?
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I know it's not supreme, but how bad is poor sleep for you?
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You know, if A is good for you, B is, you know, obviously we already are putting...
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Okay. We're going to come back to alcohol. I have a few more questions about alcohol and I want to talk to you a little bit about why I chose to stop drinking, but we have a few of the things to cover before we get into it. Just give us a little reminder.
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Okay, great. So we'll put that in the category of F because it's just not good for you overall. That's right. And that's something that people obviously need to pay attention to. So we're just going to put it in terms of F, but you've added in the clarification of it's not necessarily the worst thing for nitric oxide production, but it's going to be one of the worst things for your overall health.
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Right. Okay, so stress. Let's talk about that and where you would put that on our list of things of where we would rank it.
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And it doesn't mean that there's not stressful things around you.
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You know, you have a new book out and we've had you on the podcast before to talk about this, but your new book is called the secret of nitric oxide. Remind our audience why nitric oxide is truly one of the Holy grails when it comes to our health.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
So part of what I'm hearing you saying is that there's this chronic stress that so many people are wrapped up in. It could be physical stress on the body from an ultra-processed diet. It could be not dealing with the toxic people in your life and putting up boundaries, you know, other examples of that. But stress in itself, like doing a cold plunge, that's a little bit stressful.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
So there's good stress. There's bad stress that's there. So stress isn't the worst thing for us. We shouldn't fear it, but we should look at the areas that it's overruling our life and the root causes that are contributing to it.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
are undeniable i would look at the system that we have and i would take something like stress we got a guy with you know putting his hand on his head in front of a laptop it probably could be like a b or c in the sense that it depends if it's a controlled stress chronic stress will kill you chronic stress will kill you yeah but a control stress stress that you choose is actually really helpful so i'm going to throw it on here under c as a place to say that it depends either way
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
Because really good stress for you could be an A or maybe even an S in certain situations. Absolutely. Okay. A sedentary lifestyle, specifically walking less than 4,000 steps a day, which the CDC says is sedentary. How bad is that for you? Talk about both nitric oxide and anything that you know when it comes to keeping a healthy body composition.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
So would you say that, you know, across the entire spectrum of things, one of the worst things that you could do when it comes to especially nitric oxide, if you care about it, is to be sedentary?
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That's most people that are out there.
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And again, what are your thoughts on sedentary being defined as around less than 4,000 to 3,000 steps a day? Do you consider that to be sedentary?
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And I think that, you know, if you have an iPhone, if you have any phone now, they all have pedometers. And again, there's this whole history that 10,000 steps a day was a whole marketing campaign that came from a Japanese pedometer company. But still there's some
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truth to it as a benchmark that if we are not getting these amount of steps, it's just an indication that we're probably what in our modern day and age, we're sitting a lot. You're watching TV a lot. You're not moving. You're not really activating your lymphatic system. You're not pushing your heart enough.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
We've done a few episodes on this with Mike Mutzel and a few other people. And generally they say that a good place to start is that wherever you are, if you try to get an extra 3,000 steps, that's a good place to start off with. So if you're at 3,000, just try to get an additional 3,000. Shoot for 6,000. right?
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
If you're at 4,000, try to get an additional 3,000 shoot for 7,000 and track it using your phone. That's what I was mentioning before. You don't have to get any sort of fancy device. You can keep your phone on you, put it on airplane mode, put in your back pocket, whatever it is. If you have an Apple watch, obviously that's tracking it as well too. And actually see what you're getting in.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
A lot of people think that they're moving around throughout the day. And once they actually start tracking, they're like, Oh shoot, I'm not getting in that many steps. Consistency.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
We wrote a newsletter. We'll put it on the screen over here and link to it in the show notes. But it was about one benchmark for, I believe that it was done on men, but one benchmark to see how well you're aging. And they studied a group of firefighters and they found that like, can you work your way up to getting 40 pushups, right?
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
And that's a great sort of proxy for grip strength as well as cardiovascular strength. And, you know, that's a good target for people to shoot for. Right. You know, I don't know if they did the same test with women. There's plenty of other studies that are that will be applied to both individuals. But we can link to that in the show notes below.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
OK, so we're going to start off with a big one that my audience has questions on, which is alcohol. What's the relationship between alcohol and nitric oxide and where does it fall on our tier ranking system?
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
That's crazy.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
Yeah. Shout out to all the firefighters that, you know, kept, uh, as crazy as these fires were here in Los Angeles where we're recording. And I think that the, I heard Rick Caruso say that it was, you know, and multiple other people say that it's two men, two Manhattans, two areas, the size of Manhattan, crazy Manhattan twice that burned down that was there.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
Um, but a lot more would have burned down if it wasn't for the heroic firefighters looking out for everybody. So safe to say that if we had a Z and might have to come up with a new tier ranking system after chatting with you, but at least for this ranking system that we have right now, we're going to put a sedentary lifestyle walking less than 3000, 4000 steps a day.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
We're going to put that as an F.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
Okay. What about this one? This one seems like something that a lot of people ask. I think it was one of the top comments in a previous episode. People asking, I know Nathan's thoughts about excessive amounts of sugar in the diet, right? Yeah. And its role with nitric oxide, which I might have you recap here in a second after you answer the question. But what about a nightly dessert?
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
Where does that fall on the list of things when it comes to nitric oxide and just overall health for the body?
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
Incredible. All right, we have a few more to go, and we're going to come back to nitric oxide. So let's talk about smoking. In this day and age, still... There's a lot of people that are out there that are smoking and they don't think it's that bad for them. When it comes to the conversation of poor nitric oxide, inflammation, visceral fat, where would you tier rank smoking on our list over here?
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
It's going to drive your resting heart rate up. And a resting heart rate right before bed is one of the biggest predictors of great sleep. When my resting heart rate is lower, I sleep better. When it's higher... like a big meal or dessert on occasion, I don't sleep as good.
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Yeah. A couple of points that are there. I'm a huge fan of continuous glucose monitors. My listeners know I'm an advisor and investor in levels. I love the company. I think they have the best software that's out there in the space. We'll put a little code up here and a link that people can check out. I believe it's a levels.co slash drew, but we'll put the link in the show notes as well.
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And then through levels, I'm also a big fan of taking your, uh, using that data of the continuous glucose monitoring and And seeing like, what times of the day do you feel like fatigue? Do you feel off? And how does that correspond with like blood sugar spikes? That was my biggest learning.
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Even though I was eating a whole foods diet, organic, all the stuff that was out there, I was eating carbs for me at certain times of the day. And then feeling like immediately tired, like as if I ate like a big Thanksgiving dinner. And it was weirdly certain types of foods. Like, I love blueberries, but if I eat a ton of blueberries, I don't know what is up with my gut microbiome or whatever.
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And blueberries are healthy for you. Listen, I'm not saying blueberries are not healthy for you. I crash like crazy, especially if I blend them in a smoothie. Yeah. But if I blend strawberries, I'm great. I have good energy. Everything is good. Again, that's some of that individuality that's there. So I do not put blueberries in my morning smoothie anymore because I crash like crazy.
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I'd be falling asleep at this podcast table. That's there. Another thing that I like through levels is that blood sugar is great. And a lot of how sensitive you are to insulin is muscle mass. And I didn't get that memo until later in life.
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I got serious around the age of 39 turning 40 from talking with Dr. Gabrielle Lyon to really start investing in my muscle, which has been very, it's a lot of work to get 0.8 pounds of lean muscle mass added during a period of time. Like I have to like bust my ass. You know, I'm in the gym three to four days a week, strength training and, you know, making sure that I'm hitting my protein goals.
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But I can tell you, nothing has improved my insulin sensitivity, my blood sugar, like adding. And I was pretty skinny fat before, right? I was lean, but I was still fat. My body composition was almost 24, 26% body fat. And it wasn't that I was fat. It was that I was under muscled. And when I added almost about nine pounds of lean muscle mass, I saw a massive difference.
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And I actually could get away with eating even a little bit more carbohydrates. And through the Levels app, I did my blood test because they allow you to do blood testing too. You can get blood tests done. They'll send a phlebotomist. You can go to like a local Quest or LabCorp. I forgot where. And you get your fasting insulin done.
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And I saw that even though I was eating more carbohydrates, my blood sugar was more stable and my fasting insulin even improved during that period of time. So whether you do it through levels or whether you do it through somewhere else, just remember that testing is important. Tests don't guess. And then on top of that, invest in your muscle mass. For sure.
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Just to clarify one thing you said. You said glucose is bad for you. I think what you mean is that excessive amount of glucose.
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So we didn't rank a nightly dessert. Okay. So in this instance, I'm going to talk about a nightly dessert, literally people having dessert every night and the classic cookies filled with gluten and sugar or, you know, ice cream that's there. Where are we going to put that on our list of items?
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We're going to go to another one, which is going to sound a little bit out of the blue, and then we'll speed round through the rest of these so that we can get into the list of things that actually make a huge difference to benefit our nitric oxide production, including many foods that are there. But bacon for breakfast, separate from nitric oxide, right?
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I don't know if there is a connection that's there from nitric oxide. What are your feelings about bacon for breakfast when it comes to the conversation of inflammation, visceral fat? Is it something that you have or should people be steering away from that?
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So you're going to put bacon higher up on the list, maybe an A or a B. There's nothing wrong with it.
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We'll put it as a B. I found I don't do really well skipping breakfast. I like to have a much earlier dinner. You know, I'll usually shoot to have dinner. Like if I could have dinner some days, like I know this is sound crazy to people, but if I can have dinner some days at like four 30, right? Five. I feel amazing.
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If I can have dinner at five o'clock, five 30, but I know you like to skip breakfast. I've found that. And I, and again, again, this is where the whole personalization piece comes in. And I also will say for a lot of the women in my life, my wife is, If she skips breakfast, my sisters, and I work with my sisters, if they skip breakfast, they don't feel like they're functioning.
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Now, that doesn't mean that they're eating Cheerios and pancakes. No, they need a little bit of smoked salmon, avocado, olive oil, some chicken sausage, some greens, fat fiber protein is their typical breakfast. They just feel like they're functioning so much better. And I've talked to a few female clinicians about this on the podcast. And one of the thoughts and ideas is that
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especially for women in their prime fertility years, maintaining a stable sort of blood sugar is one of the things that signals to their body that they're safe and everything is okay. So there may be some individuality. I generally see the women that tend to do better on fasting maybe are out of that period of time in their life.
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They might be individuals that are going through menopause, perimenopause, at the tail end of the perimenopause spectrum. So there is that variety. And then I think that it's easier in America to probably skip breakfast because breakfast is one of the more unhealthy meals that are there. Um, but I've found, you know, this is where you should really test things for yourself.
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If you need a lot of brain power in the morning, if you, you know, don't do well with intermittent fasting, try eating and then move your window for dinner a little bit earlier and see how you do.
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What about nicotine? There's this resurgence now where people are talking about nicotine being protective to the body, maybe even a little bit cardio protective. And that the conversation, again, I have no idea about this, but you see a lot of people talking about it. They're even talking about nicotine being a nootropic.
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Here is one that you've talked about before. It might even be some of your most viral videos on Instagram. We talked about it previously on the podcast. It's pretty controversial on YouTube. There's a lot of people that disagree with it, but it's the idea of using antiseptic mouthwash.
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Where does that fall on the list and why would you put it there when it comes to specifically nitric oxide production?
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If you had to put on a list and, you know, we don't have it here, but you added another column called Z where you put seed oils.
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And now they're saying that the most important thing is where the nicotine source is from. Because the challenge with cigarettes is that you get the tar, you get the toxins, you get all other stuff that's there. But that for some people, nicotine could act as sort of a vasodilator. Is that true?
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Yeah. And plus there's so many better alternatives that are out there using healthier products. toothpaste that's there. I know you're working on one. There's one I use called Fig, F-Y-G-G, Dr. Mark Brahena. There's better mouthwashes that are out there. And also too, what is the root issue of bad breath or other things like that? It's probably going to be your gut microbiome, your dysbiosis.
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Yeah, which you have a sample over here that we might play with in a little bit. Okay, let's pause for a second. You know, people often ask, is there a way to sort of benchmark nitric oxide in the body? And one of the things that regularly comes up is
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nitric oxide strips you know people even on this podcast previously have talked about them that you can get a strip and you can kind of see i've used them and i think i even went one time to my cardiologist in st louis michael twyman and and they can be all over the place depending on a few things you've actually been involved in the creation of these strips and we're going to do one live on camera here for people are looking at youtube tell us where they're helpful and tell us where they have limitations
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And by the way, bright pink, the more pink, the better.
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That's interpretation.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
So what was causing it to be pink? An oral infection. Okay, so if somebody has dysbiosis in the mouth that's not treated, that could make this strip turn pink.
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Should we do one of these strips and see how it is?
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I think the last time I did mine, it was low. And I did it at my cardiologist's office. But then also, they have another machine that they use as a proxy for seeing how well you do with nitric oxide. That's right.
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Yeah. But let's see. So what are we doing with this?
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What's the end of the strip? Is it this side?
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Okay. I licked the wrong side. So that shows what I know. Okay.
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Yeah.
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Right. So again, you've talked about the limitations. Generally speaking for most people, um, Would you say that these strips are something that they can use or not use? Like, should they seek them out or should they not seek them out?
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Nice show and tell, has some limitations. That's right. Ultimately, you want to make sure you're doing all the right things that are there. We're going to be talking about some of them. And eating the right foods, we're going to be talking about some of them. Did you want to do anything else with these test strips?
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Where can people go to stay tuned if they want to keep in touch with when your products are out? Where should they go?
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So that's where they'll find the future. You have like a mailing list that people can subscribe to if they want to hear about the mouthwash once it's ready?
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What I'm seeing a lot is people using these nicotine little pouches and kind of keeping in their mouth. You're not a fan of that.
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And squish it. So grabbing a new test strip.
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Yeah.
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And most helpful for people who might be dealing with something in their. No, that's right.
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Well, I'm going to stay tuned. And again, these are a proxy for nitric oxide. Ultimately, the thing that is the best that we have out there would be these functional tests. That's right. There's one called Oncoblot, right? Do you know about that one?
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Oncoblot. I got confused. Oncoblot was an old test that was an early cancer detection test that was taken off the market for a while. Whole story around that. But Endopat-
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Yeah, your arm gets so sleepy.
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Let's talk about one of the most controversial topics of maybe the last five years, but especially right now, if I had to rank it. Yeah. Seed oils. Talk to us about seed oils, your thoughts on them. Because from everything that I've seen out there, and we've had people on all sides of the spectrum that have been on this podcast, people will tell you that universities like Harvard and Tufts
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And the faster the blood supply returns, it's an indication that you have great... The better nitric oxide.
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I scored good, and my brother-in-law, who literally works out probably like... four or five days a week, super fit. He's also a cardiologist. He scored excellent on the test.
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Yeah, but they got to get trained on the interpretation of the report. And that's where there's a big gap that's there.
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All right. A few more things on the tier rank system. And then we're going to go through a list of foods that can supercharge your nitric oxide production. So let's talk about one of the ones you write about in your book, lack of sunlight exposure. What's the relationship of lack of sunlight exposure to nitric oxide?
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Yeah, be sun smart. Don't overexpose at the wrong time of day, et cetera. But the sun can be medicine for you when you use it the right way.
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And the nutrition schools at a lot of our elite institutions are saying that not only are seed oils not bad for you, but they seem to have some sort of protective benefits that are out there. Then the other side, let's call it the Maha movement, the individuals that are out there that are saying, Hey, these things have been used for industrial lubricants. These things are not benign.
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So if we had sunscreen on the screen, you'd probably put that as an F. Yeah, Z. It's down there with Cedals.
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It's very toxic. Traditional sunscreen. And if you had sunlight exposure, how high are you going to rank that? Is that get an S? I don't know if we put anything in S yet. S is supreme. Or does that get an A?
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What about morning sunlight? Getting those first 20 minutes of the day, 30 minutes a day, getting some sunlight.
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You know, in the book, you have a list of 12 things that we've touched on some of these already, but you have a list of 12 things that are important if you want to support your nitric oxide production. And one of the first things you talk about in the book is eating nitrate rich foods. Why is that important?
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Yeah. In fact, that was one of the recommendations you talked about on the last podcast is that figuring out a way to get off of these stomach acid suppressants.
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Which would be down there on Z with seed oils.
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Right. And we should mention that if you've been on it for a while, you might need to work with somebody who can gradually take you off.
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And then your doctor will say, see, I told you these were working.
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And just because there are observational studies that are out there that show that seed oils typically are associated with better health, that doesn't mean there aren't downsides related to it, like trans fats from overuse of seed oils. Where do you fall on the spectrum of seed oils and how would you rank it? All right, I got a question for you.
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One of the other ones that we already talked about was avoiding mouthwash. Right. Another one you list inside of your book is engaging in regular physical exercise. And we already talked about that, about how important that is. But let's double click on some of the things related to the foods that are there. Right. So you mentioned a few already. You talked about beets.
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certain root vegetables, green leafy vegetables like spinach, arugula, kale. What do you think about people who are on a carnivore diet? Are they missing out on optimized nitric oxide production potentially?
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You know, one of the ones on the list of 12, and again, people can check out the book, The Secret of Nitric Oxide. We have a link in the show notes. bringing the science to life.
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It's a culmination of all your work in the space, also the history of the nitric oxide molecule, how it was identified, the work in the space of, you know, that led to the Nobel Prize on identifying it, the development of Viagra. Yeah.
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Which has shown benefits for even things like Alzheimer's disease potentially to actually help with avoiding Alzheimer's disease in the future, cognitive decline, a whole bunch of things. So it's a fascinating read. One of the ones that we didn't talk about that is listed inside of there was the idea of hydrating well. What's the role of hydrating well when it comes to NO levels?
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What if you could track your food, sleep, exercise, blood sugar, and key biomarkers all in one place? Well, I have good news for you. With the Levels app, this is not only possible, it's actually needed if we're gonna fix our broken healthcare system.
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I want to come back to this list. But first, you have another list of about 12 things in the book that harm.
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Well, it's also our team that put it together, but it's equally 12 on both sides. Things that harm nitric oxide production. Now, we've already talked about a lot of these things, but I'm going to pull a few that we haven't talked about. We did talk about avoiding antiseptic mouthwash. You went into a whole aspect of that.
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We talked about chronic stress, lack of physical activity, smoking, the dangers of smoking when it comes to that, excessive alcohol production. What about things like chronic use of certain drugs like ibuprofen?
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You wanna hear something pretty shocking that I learned from the Levels founder, Josh Clemente, recently on this podcast, is that there are so many people who are unhealthy and they don't even know that they're unhealthy. We have over half of US adults that have prediabetes or diabetes, and just these two conditions alone set the stage for things like Alzheimer's, heart disease, and even cancer.
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All right. This is a big one. And as we wind down, an important one for people to pay attention to. High blood sugar and diabetes. You know, almost 80%. 5% of the population, 88% of the population is in the diabetic or pre-diabetic range. And the scary thing is that many people that are in the pre-diabetic range have no idea.
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Their doctor hasn't even told them yet that they are on their way to developing diabetes. Why is insulin resistance and high blood sugar impairing nitric oxide signal?
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That's why it's so important to use technology, things like the Levels app, to stay on top of your metabolic health and stay on top of all your biomarkers and your exercise and your sleep and the tracking of your food. I've had to use a bunch of different apps to do this. Now with the Levels app, I can do this all in one place.
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Powerful. Yeah, nothing more gratifying than that. And a great reminder that the foundation... can and should be these lifestyle factors, healthy diet, getting away from ultra processed foods, not having a sedentary lifestyle, getting that morning sunlight, you know, uh, maintaining some degree of caloric restriction, whether it's through intermittent fasting or
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Or reduce how much you're eating.
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Double down on your muscle mass that are there. All these things are going to improve your body, but they're also going to increase your nitric oxide production as well. And then for some people that are on the place where they're dealing with deeper issues that might be there, oral microbiome stuff, you have some products that are on the way.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
And you also have, I believe you mentioned it last time too, you have some nitric oxide lozenges. Is that through the same company?
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This has been fantastic. It's always a pleasure to have you on the podcast to talk about the power of nitric oxide, the top things, which many of them we ranked. Yeah. on our tier ranking system that hurt it. And also the things that are helpful for it.
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And I think that if people walk away from this episode on, you know, one thing is that the body is so miraculously designed and it wants to keep you healthy. You just need to do the things that allow it to be in that state.
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We have a link to the book in the show notes, The Secret of Nitric Oxide. So you can find it where books are sold. People can pick it up. And also, if they want to keep in touch with you personally, where do they head to?
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Exciting. Dr. Nathan Bryan, thank you again for coming back on the podcast. Thank you, Drew.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
In your opinion, what's worse for you, smoking or seed oils? Seed oils. You think seed oils is worse than smoking? Chronically. Chronically.
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Would there be any sort of test that someone could do or a research institution that if somebody had been – having seed oils for, you know, the majority of their life and somebody hadn't been, what kind of biomarkers or things would they be looking at to quantify the impact of one person being healthier than the other person?
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Do we have anything like that right now or we don't have anything like that?
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
Yeah, you'd probably have to ask your practitioner who would do like a full Boston Heart workup. That's right. That'd be in there.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
I'll be honest. I personally avoid seed oils. I go to restaurants that, you know, largely are seed oil free. True Food Kitchen, Sweet Greens, Parakeet. You know, there's a bunch of places around L.A. and around nationally. And I also, too, I'm going to eat out with friends sometimes. I'm going to go to other places. They're going to be using seed oils. I'm not going to freak out about it.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
I'll tell you that even being in this space as an interviewer, I'm not an expert by any means, but I get to listen to different people. I still am confused about the topic because I see individuals very convincingly talk about a lot of the bigger data that shows that seed oils are not inflammatory. And then I hear from individuals like you on the podcast that are sharing your perspective.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
All I know is that I don't see any benefit from including seed oils in my diet. I don't feel great when I have them regularly. That's a personal thing. And it's related to my throat, actually. I feel like my throat gets a little bit more inflamed. I'm not noticing it anywhere else. And lastly, what I share with people is that if you're confused about it, know this.
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Generally speaking, seed oils, the primary way of people consuming them is not through cooking, even though the image that we have on here is of a cooking Crisco oil. It's actually through ultra processed foods. Yeah. So generally speaking, when you reduce your ultra-processed foods, you are gonna be reducing your seed oil intake.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
And to give credit to the other side that believes that seed oils are not harmful, what they're really talking about is that seed oils, when you replace them with saturated fat, for a lot of people, that's the whole sort of side that believes that saturated fat is not great for you when it goes above 10% of your diet. And I know you would have different feelings on that.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Kristen, you're back on the podcast today to talk about protecting one of the most vital organs in our body, our liver. You've even put together a fantastic list of 12 of the top foods that support liver health, which I'm excited to share with our audience today. But before we get into that, you have a pretty mind-blowing stat and fact about our liver.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
You know, talking about the crucial role of the liver in the detoxification process, I think it's worth diving into a little bit deeper because there are some fantastic images that you have in slide number four to really help people understand that why is it so important to protect our liver, especially in this modern day and age of air pollution, microplastics, tap water, and all these other things that our body is trying to fend off on a regular basis.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Talk to us about who's at risk, because we talked about this being largely for many people, a silent epidemic. They don't know actually they're on their way to getting this very terrible condition, which has a whole host of problems in their life. So you have a great slide on this. If you could walk us through.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Well said. So is it also fair to say that when somebody has fatty liver disease, their liver cannot detoxify as well? Can you make that connection for us?
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
You know, another mind blowing fact that you have about fatty liver disease is something that actually came from a paper that was published this year. And for anybody who wants to live a long, healthy life, this is something they're definitely going to want to pay attention to. Can you talk about this paper and what the findings were?
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Could you make that connection a little bit more for us, for the audience who may not be familiar with this? Why would it be that you would be more likely to get cancer, for example, if your liver is not working well and you find yourself with fatty liver disease? What do you think potentially could be going on? Is it as straightforward as toxins are not getting filtered?
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
And so now you have cellular damage and mutations of cells that then can get out of control? What are your thoughts on that?
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
basically the same lifestyle and set of factors. Genetics are part of it, but genetics are a very small part of it.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
You talk about it in your book, but the lifestyle, because it's largely a modern disease at the level that we're having today, the same lifestyle that creates a fatty liver is the same lifestyle that is going to independently, even though the liver relates to it, is going to be the same lifestyle that is more likely to create cancer or heart disease.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
So you have a natural sort of association or correlation. So it may not be directly related to the liver, but the liver can play a role. But it's just that same lifestyle is naturally going to create a whole host of diseases.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
We had you on the podcast previously and you made a super profound point. A lot of people hear fatty liver. And yes, fatty liver is actual excess fat in the liver. And so the natural assumption that people feel is that, wow,
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
what do you think are the other top foods? You know, now that we know that it's contextual about fat, you know, there's plenty of fats that are great for a healthy lifestyle. You know, you talk about many of them in the book, olive oil is a fantastic source of fat for the diet, avocado oil, even, you know,
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
saturated fats that largely have been demonized can be a healthy part of a diet, especially when we uncoupled them from high caloric, ultra processed foods that are often high in carbohydrates like donuts and pizza and other things. That's where most people are getting their saturated fat from, not these healthy sources that you talk about in the book. Absolutely.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
What are the other big offenders that you talk about with your patients that you say, listen, with fatty liver disease, largely being driven by our lifestyle, food being a big part of it, not the only part. These are other foods that we really want to significantly pull back from in the diet. So we'll talk about what we want to pull back from.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
And then you have a fantastic slide of foods that we want to actually prioritize. But let's talk about things that we want people to pull back from if they want to either lower their risk or God forbid, they're in this category of one in three that already has some version of fatty liver disease.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
I'd love to ask you a follow-up question on that if you're open to it. You know, diacola is that sort of – that thing – For a lot of people, even a lot of people that are healthy are like, I need my diet cola.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Now, one thing that I want to bring up is that there's been individuals that have said, okay, you might have one study showing that diet cola and like aspartame or whatever version of non-sugar sweetener they use. It has changes in the gut microbiome. And okay, we don't know if those changes are necessarily good or bad. We just know that there's a change that's there. But on par...
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
largely when people replace sugary beverages for diet cola and i'm not a diet cola drinker so i'm not here to like defend it in any kind of way but more sort of bringing up your thoughts that the that the total body of studies show that people end up losing weight and
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
When you ask people to make a lot of changes in their life, if there's too many things that they're changing, they sometimes can drop off the program. This is what you'll hear from individuals, some that I've had on my podcast, because I like learning from everybody. I want to hear everybody's side of the equation. And I always want to have that discussion.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
You'll hear from individuals that are more in the sort of traditional weight loss camps that are out there. You have any thoughts on that?
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Yeah, probably less because if you're having it once a month, it's a very small part of your day.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
So what did you replace your diet cola, quote unquote, addiction? What did you replace it with?
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Yeah, that's great. Well, I appreciate you sharing your perspective for our audience. I think it's good to have people here from all different backgrounds. you know, perspectives and you're also sharing from your personal experience, but also your clinical experience.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
And if I would synthesize it, you know, we do have data as a population that when people get most of their calories from ultra processed foods, they spontaneously eat 500 to a thousand more calories in the day. So even controlled for calories, if you get your calories from ultra processed food, you crave more other foods.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
And so what I'm hearing is that based on a little bit of that data that's out there, we may not have it on Diet Coke exactly, but that your clinical experience with your patients is that they tend to crave other sweet things. They tend to crave more things and that can create a cycle that if you're having that
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
and you're already struggling with so many of the risk factors that you talked about in your first slide, you could put yourself in a situation where you're just craving more ultra processed food if you're on the diet cola train.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
And that fact is that one in four adults in the US is now living with fatty liver, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. And this is the clincher, most people have no idea. That's almost 100 million Americans walking around with this. as a silent condition that left unaddressed can completely upend our life. What is fatty liver disease? And let's jump right into it. Who's at risk for this condition?
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Well, let's zoom back out. We got on this tangent, which was actually a great tangent to go on. That's what the audience is here for on these long format podcasts. And the question was, we're about to get into the foods that you want people to prioritize, that you want people to use and consume on a regular basis to protect themselves. their liver, their 12 of these liver-friendly foods.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
And I was saying, before we get into that, are there foods that you like to see your patients pull back from, start to limit? It's not about being perfect, as you said. It's about starting to be aware. So you mentioned two. You mentioned Diet Cola. As a beverage of choice for a lot of people and the reasons why.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
And then naturally as an extension of that, we talked about ultra processed foods as a category. Any other foods that deserve an honorable mention in terms of pulling back from that you talk about with your patients? Yeah.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
That's great. Well, we've teased it a bunch, but let's get into your slide that you have prepared for us, which is 12 liver-friendly foods that you want to highlight. Talk about this list big picture, and then let's go through some of the foods that you've highlighted.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Fantastic. All right. Well, your first one on the list is actually coffee. So talk to us about that.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
The traditional Starbucks Frappuccino with gobbles and gobbles of artificial flavors, sugars and everything else in between.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
And generally speaking, because we might have some people that are listening that are pre-diabetic, diabetic, maybe some people are dealing with fatty liver disease. And I'm sure also there's a lot of people that are just healthy that are just fascinated by this conversation because they're thinking about how do they protect their loved ones who might be struggling with this.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
My opinion on this has sort of evolved over the years is that generally, as long as my metabolic health is super in the optimal zone, I've written about this before. We have some newsletters that are there. And that my fasting insulin is in a good place, right? Generally people say less than five. I'm usually around like three, you know, three and a half, somewhere around there.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
I'm not too worried about individual spikes on my glucose as long as my entire day doesn't look like a roller coaster up and down. And usually I don't even need my CGM then to tell me. Yeah. That I've had a poor day of eating. I just feel like crap. I feel unfocused. I don't have energy, et cetera.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
But, you know, I'll have like sometimes an entire bowl of cherries when cherry seasons first, you know, comes out. And I'm like, great. I'm indulging a little bit. And- you know, it's fine. And I know my blood sugar will spike up a little bit. And if I want to mitigate it, I might go for a walk anyway, which I traditionally do after meals, especially dinner that's there.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
But I'm not too worried about it as a healthy individual. Would you say that's generally how you feel as well?
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Last item on that, because we've done so many episodes on this, and I'd love to get your perspective for our audience. Food is, of course, one part of the equation. But if we really want to put that glucose to use, men and women, especially as we age, especially in this category of aging, perimenopausal, menopausal, and even men who are aging. I got a DEXA scan done right before I turned 40.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
And I saw that even though I'm healthy, I eat really well, I am significantly under muscled. So it became my mission to add more muscle mass, work with the trainer, up my protein. And then I saw something fascinating. I saw that I even could increase the carbohydrates in my diet, which largely would be coming from like
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
fruit or white rice, I can have more carbs and my metabolic health, my insulin, they improved simply because I had more muscle mass in my body that was actually putting all that glucose Yeah. In the body that's free flowing to work. So that's just another good reminder that yes, food is important.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
And if we get a little bit stronger in our lives and add some muscle at any age, that's also going to take a little bit of the pressure off of having to get the benefits only from food itself. Do you have any thoughts on that?
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
That's well said. That's well said. Well, coming back to these list of foods, let's run through these really quickly. And, you know, you can chat a little bit about some of the ones that you feel are special that you really want to highlight for the audience.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Some people might be looking at this and saying, okay, great, poultry and wild fish, those are fantastic, lean sources of protein. Does that mean that Kristen is telling her patients that she might want them to be avoiding in some situations red meat or cuts of meat that are higher in saturated fat? What are your thoughts on that?
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Well said. Well, putting some of these things together for people that are in this category of dealing with fatty liver, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, which has the updated acronym that you mentioned, which is a mouthful. So I'll have you mention it again. Let's combine all those things. And you have these lifestyle recommendations on the next slide that you presented for us.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Yeah. Well, another huge important aspect of this is physical activity. And as we wind down over here, I think it's so important to talk about the role in this hyper sedentary lifestyle that we live, that lack of physical activity plays when it comes to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
So what are your recommendations based on some studies that you came across of where people should be shooting for with their physical activity?
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Now, something very controversial, even though that's true here in America, that you've presented in your book, Regenerative Health, Discover Your Metabolic Type and Renew Your Liver for Life. It's fantastic. We have a link in the show notes.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
That's fantastic. We can't have a conversation about this important topic and protecting the liver without diving into at least some of the nuances that are there regarding GLP-1s. And you kind of already talked about some aspects earlier, but let's zoom out a little big picture. Tell us a little bit more about the role of GLP-1s. You have so many patients that are on them.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
We've had many people on this podcast talk about the pros of them. in especially a hyper obese society that has so much food noise that making any momentum is so tough because their brain and nervous system and body is completely hijacked by our ultra processed world. So they definitely could use a boost.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
And that there's been many physicians that have been on this podcast that have talked about how they will use it with those patients. We've had other people talk about some of what they see as the potential downsides that are there and the things of the long-term consequences of which some people feel like we're not sure of.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Other people would argue, well, we've been using this with patients for a long time, especially diabetic patients. Give us your practical experience as a clinician who's working with a lot of these patients who have fatty liver disease and are
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Is that an important reminder is that we can see that in other parts of the world, just because people are getting older doesn't mean that they're going to be getting this disease. In fact, there are a lot of places like Japan and other Asian countries where people who preserve the traditional ways of life are not sedentary, don't eat as much as processed food, have strong social ties.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
That usually comes along with the fact that they're often struggling with obesity and have been given these drugs to tackle some of the chronic issues that they're dealing with.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
So it's really a get on to get off for those that need it with the right supervision that's there. You know, the constipation example is perfect that you were sharing earlier. How is your liver going to be able to do the things that it needs to do if you're struggling with constipation? And that's a top side effect that comes with a lot of these drugs, especially when people are at higher doses.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
So having that proper monitoring and not relying on these often these prescription meal, these prescription meals. And they could be med spas.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
They could be well-intentioned, but they don't have the level of service, these telemedicine groups online that people are using that don't have the lifestyle piece brought into the equation or don't have the monitoring on a regular basis from a doctor, a PA, an NP who really actually can help you put that plan together to get off eventually. Right.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
And of course, as a byproduct of that, have good metabolic health. They're not getting fatty liver at the same rates that we are getting here in America. Is that true?
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
That's well said. Kristen, this has been fantastic. You know, you put together an incredible presentation and walked us through this important thing that, as you mentioned at the beginning of the episode, this impacts now, we think, one in three people that are out there.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
So if individuals are not aware of the potential of ending up with a fatty liver, which nobody wants, we wouldn't wish that for our worst enemy that's out there. If we're not aware of that, we could end up finding ourselves in this situation, which unfortunately a lot of people have, where they silently are on their way in that direction.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
If they have poor metabolic health, if their obesity and their hip to waist ratio is heading in the wrong direction, if their insulin is up and all these risk factors that are there. So this is a conversation. You know, the kidney doesn't... Sorry. This is a conversation that needs more attention. The liver, unfortunately, doesn't often get a lot of love. It doesn't.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
But it needs more love, which is funny, actually, because there are certain traditions. My wife, she's from the Persian, Iranian tradition. And the way that you say that somebody is your deepest sweetheart, the way that you say that somebody is like the love of your life is actually you call them my liver, right? In that culture.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
So I thought, okay, maybe there's some traditions that know the importance about the liver that's there. But for those of us that don't, this presentation and this conversation has been so important. Any final words that you want to leave our audience with?
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Well, if anybody wants to learn more about how to do that, the best ways to go about it, the amazing regenerative aspects of the liver, which is one of the Only organs or not the only organ that actually can grow back, which you go into inside of the book. Your book is there. We have a link in the show notes. Regenerative health, discover your metabolic type and renew your liver for life.
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It's a fantastic read and I highly recommend everybody check it out. Kristen, can you also mention, because you're pretty good about putting out content on social media that continues this conversation, where can people follow you?
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
Well, thanks for helping to teach our audience on how to do exactly that. It was a pleasure to have you back on the podcast.
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The Top Foods That Help and Harm The Liver with Kristin Kirkpatrick
You can't have this conversation about fatty liver and how to avoid it without at least giving people some context for why the liver is such a vital organ in the body. And you have a fantastic slide for this. It's slide number three. Can you walk us through all the beautiful things that the liver does for the body when it's healthy?
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Quick question about that, actually, just while you're on it. If people have, obviously high cholesterol comes from a lot of different things and there's different types of cholesterol that's there. But if somebody has high LDL and it's not genetically driven from hyperproducing or hyperabsorbing, could the liver not working well play a role in people having high LDL?
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The Science Behind When To Eat and Other Top Lessons On Circadian Biology
Hi everyone, Drew Proat here. You know, when most of us hear the term circadian rhythm, we tend to immediately think about sleep. But the truth is that our circadian rhythm reaches far beyond sleep with significant, significant implications for all sorts of things like your immune health,
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The Science Behind When To Eat and Other Top Lessons On Circadian Biology
Tell us about why when we eat, which is the timing of when we decide to eat, the window, might be just as important, if not more important, than what we eat.
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cancer, cancer, I think I read somewhere that demand mark now will, like will provide extra compensation for shift workers who are diagnosed with cancer. Yeah, because there's so much literature that's there with the association of shift work and cancer.
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Please break it down.
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Engaged in some sort of work.
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Watching TV or if you're on your mobile phone. Yeah. That's also work as far as your body's...
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So if you look at the average person who's listening a day, because they're disrupted at least a couple times a week, they're looking at their phone, they're up for a couple hours, they can't go back to sleep, essentially they're a shift worker. They are a shift worker.
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Talk to us about sleep debt, how it accumulates, and if people are listening today and they have sleep debt after you describe it, what can we begin to do? Is it again doubling down and making sleep a priority? So let's chat about it big picture. What is sleep debt?
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You don't want to be sleeping nine hours plus if you're not an adolescent, right? That's a sign that maybe something's going on, chronic fatigue, et cetera. You want to hit that sweet spot of those seven to eight hours. Yeah.
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Because you don't have caffeine, you feel more sleepy is what you're saying.
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This is your baseline.
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But you got to do a little bit of a caffeine cleanse to reestablish that.
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mental health, cognitive health, and your risk of all sorts of chronic diseases, including things like cancer. This is why it's so key to understand the role of our circadian rhythm and how adopting lifestyle practices to support it and staying away from the ones that don't support it will have a massive impact on your overall health.
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So just by narrowing that window, not eating late, which we were talking about earlier, which typically is going to mean that if a lot of people are falling asleep at 10, you're done eating by about seven, six or seven, because you want those three hours that are there. Again, that goes into all the circadian biology of the organ systems, everything like that.
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But you're also saying that in addition to not keeping your glucose and your insulin high, there is an improvement in the brain potentially as well too. We all know that getting a good night's sleep is super important, not just for our overall health, but for being a functional, happy, productive human being. I can tell you that when my sleep suffers, the next day is rough.
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Yeah, and with the fruit flies and the mice, they also don't have free will to choose how much food they want like human beings do. So this was the power of doing a human study and then following up with individuals.
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As such a panda described, our daily practices, whether they be our sleep routines or eating habits or even the timing of when we eat, have the power to align with or disrupt our body's natural circadian rhythms. Now, let's turn to my conversation with Dr. Martin Mordeid to understand another key factor impacting our circadian rhythms, modern lighting, and specifically the pervasive effects
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blue rich led lighting that's wreaking havoc on our health but don't worry there are things that we could do about it let's tune in one of the most damaging things you could do to yourself and your health especially if you care about living a long healthy life is sleeping with the lights on which
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You mentioned that a lot of elderly people do, or there might be situations where people have the TV very bright in the background on all night, and that is a very damaging thing for your body's natural circadian rhythm.
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The Science Behind When To Eat and Other Top Lessons On Circadian Biology
Or at least, as you've mentioned, which is what I've done for my wife who likes to sleep, or at least have a little bit of light on when I'm out of town. get one of those amber-red lights. So we have those bulbs all throughout our bedroom and a master switch that she can turn them on and still feel that she has something on, but she's not getting that toxic blue light in the evening.
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The Science Behind When To Eat and Other Top Lessons On Circadian Biology
You know, you're one of the world's authorities in this area, and you have a fascinating background. We're going to get into your background in a little bit. But as I read your book and started to understand this narrative, the story gets deeper and deeper. And it's not just about our toxic exposure to blue light.
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in the evenings and again you've said blue light is neither good nor bad it's about the time of day that we're being exposed to it and the chronic exposure of it that is linked to increased rates of you know snacking and obesity insulin issues as we've mentioned cancer and even lifespan in some aspects as well too we're going to talk about that in a second but the secondary part of the story
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that I just wanna mention here for everybody who's listening is not just about the toxic blue light, it's also the fact that we are living a life chronically indoors, which means that we're not getting healthy exposure to the sun. Can you talk about that for a moment?
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The Science Behind When To Eat and Other Top Lessons On Circadian Biology
You know, the evidence base that you highlight inside of the book is, as you mentioned, it's mind blowing. You know, you talked about a particular study that happened among Swedish women. And I'll just I'll read from the excerpt from the book that's here because this ties in together. an important concept. I'll read it and then I'll talk about that.
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So you mentioned that a study of 29,000 Swedish women aged 25 to 64 years followed prospectively over 20 years showed that sunlight exposure greatly reduced deaths from cardiovascular disease and other non-cancer illnesses such as diabetes, more than offsetting any risk from skin cancer. And now my commentary is that
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As we've said, this is about getting toxic blue light at the wrong times of the day, not getting enough natural light from the sun, which we were designed and evolutionarily have been raised on this earth to expose ourselves to. And then there's this message that's out there of people saying, don't spend time in the sun. You're going to get skin cancer.
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Tell us why that's not the right way to look at things.
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The Science Behind When To Eat and Other Top Lessons On Circadian Biology
So when it comes to skin cancer, if I'm understanding you correctly, we don't want to be on either one of the extremes that are there. Some dermatologists that are out there, especially on social media these days or podcasting, avoid the sun like the plague. And then the other extreme side of it, which is, hey, get sun already. all day long and don't be smart about it.
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We wanna be somewhere in the middle, which is you can be smart about it and get the benefits that come from being outside and exposing yourself to a healthy level of sun, and you can still protect the rest of your body.
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The Science Behind When To Eat and Other Top Lessons On Circadian Biology
So one action item and an immediate takeaway from this interview is upon waking up, ideally, you know, we've heard different things. I've heard Dr. Andrew Huberman talk about, you know, ideally in the first 30 minutes of the day, try to get outside, you know, upon waking and get that exposure to that morning light. Is that generally your recommendation as well?
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The Science Behind When To Eat and Other Top Lessons On Circadian Biology
So have some sense of regularity with your schedule, you know, waking up around the same time. Obviously, there'll be some seasonal variability. But in general, when you're ready, after you have your coffee or your breakfast, go outside and spend at least, if you can, maybe 10, 20, 30 minutes outside. But you're shooting for a total of about an hour of being outside a day at a minimum.
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Is that to be understood?
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The Science Behind When To Eat and Other Top Lessons On Circadian Biology
This all points to the fact that we have to be extremely intentional with our light environment. The same way that many people here are thinking about the food that they're eating, are conscious about not over-consuming calories, are trying to do their best and choose organic and stay away from maybe some of the harshest chemical pesticides that are out there, in that same
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sense of diligence that we have in what we put in our body. We have to bring that diligence to light because our health literally depends on it. I want to switch topics for a quick second here. And I want to go to the topic and the connection of blue light and obesity. What have you found out through your years of looking at the literature that's out there?
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The Science Behind When To Eat and Other Top Lessons On Circadian Biology
Let's pull on the thread for our audience of a little bit of how are all these things happening from being exposed to the wrong light at the wrong time? And specifically, I'd like for you to unpack the idea of this master switch that's in the brain that you were a big part of the team of helping us discover. Can you talk about that? Absolutely.
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I've heard you mention that the evidence is so robust and there's so many people that are contributing to the literature in this field of understanding the exposure of light and how it impacts our health. I think you mentioned that there might be 30,000 researchers that are out there that are working on this. Then we have the mechanistic research.
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In today's compilation episode, I'm talking with two experts on the topic of circadian rhythm. One of the first experts on the podcast is Dr. Sachin Panda. He's a professor at the Salk Institute of Biological Studies, a Pew Biomedical Scholar, and the founder of the UC San Diego Center for Circadian Biology. And he's also the recipient of the Julie Martin Mid-Career Award in Aging Research.
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implications and and and the ways that it works inside the body you know you and your team have been a big part of that there's been other teams that have been working on that too we have all these studies that are out there we know the dangers in the body of literature and yet many of my audience members are probably scratching their head thinking why is this the first time that i'm hearing about how dangerous
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blue light at the wrong time of day is to my body so dangerous that it could be increasing my risk of breast cancer, obesity, worsening my immune system. How come no doctors or public health individuals are talking about this important topic?
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One of the saddest things that we see today is that in the Western world and increasingly around the rest of the world, as they get access to modern health care, is that when people are sick,
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from food but also things like chronic poor light exposure not enough sun etc and these things materialize as chronic disease as we age they get sent to the hospital and the hospital is an environment that has often the worst lighting in the world for the people that are the most vulnerable can you talk about that
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Since becoming aware of how detrimental blue light can be for quality sleep and our circadian rhythms, I've personally been on a very serious journey to reducing my exposure to it.
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A big part of that has included implementing Dr. Martin Moore Eads recommendations to especially avoid blue light exposure in the evening and at night, and instead use amber or red lights, or at least if you don't have those, dimming the lights around you and turning off the overhead lights.
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I've also personally, I've invested and I've got my wife invested into some high quality blue light blocking glasses and leaned into routines that expose me to natural light throughout the day, especially within the first 20 minutes of waking up.
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And as you heard from both Dr. Sachin Panda and Dr. Martin Moore Ede, there are many very important yet simple day-to-day things that we can do to make sure that we are doing our best to optimize our body's natural circadian rhythms.
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So as we venture into the new year, and as many of us are looking to double down or implement new behaviors, I hope that today's episode offers additional motivation to make sure these simple things that are often overlooked, like supporting our body's natural circadian rhythm, get the love and attention we deserve, that our bodies deserve.
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If you want to listen to any of the full-length interviews that we had feature day, Dr. Sachin Panda, Dr. Martin Moore Eade, you can find the link to those in the episode show notes below. And if you like today's episode and you want to inspire somebody, send this episode to a friend who's super committed to being in the best health in 2025.
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What they learn in this episode might get them motivated to double down on the basics that often lead to so many of the long-term results that many of us are looking for in our life. Until next time, Drew Perod signing off. Thanks for tuning in.
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Yeah, it's really fascinating. When you really get a chance to zoom out, we see that the world and the way that nature was set up, including the 24-hour cycle of the sun and how it interacts depending on where you live in the body, the sun rising and setting, that was the foundation of what our biology evolved around.
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And now, through modern living, we're able to eat later, we're able to microwave foods later, we're able to get processed foods later,
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and a lot of these foods are way more addictive than they ever were hyper palatable i guess is the right word so we're in a situation where we can see now through your example that just by regularly eating late or late at night or right before bed or midnight snacking as many people do we can now see that things like acid reflux in your example why they could be so prevalent among society, right?
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What would be another example that's tied to late night eating? Common things that you see that people are struggling with in their body that they may not understand has to do with circadian biology. So one is acid reflux. Another one could be waking up and not feeling rested, right? Is there anything else that you'd want to mention?
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And in addition to Dr. Sachin Panda, we also have Dr. Martin Moore E. He's a highly respected expert in circadian rhythms and the impact that light has on our health. As a former professor at Harvard Medical School, he's conducted extensive research on the role of light in regulating our sleep-wake cycles and our overall well-being and our risk of chronic disease.
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The third thing that happens is when- And just to make sure I understood that correctly, and kind of recapping for our audience, so that regular, we're not talking about occasionally people eating, and the tendency is that at late night, people want highly palatable, salty, sugary type things. They want chips, which again,
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are types of foods that again that are not you know the ketogenic route right yeah they're they contain a lot of starches starches are broken down as sugars inside your body and not only are you inhibiting your melatonin production which is going to throw off your sleep you're also keeping your blood glucose yeah around higher longer yeah which has all sorts of downstream effects
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Okay, let's start off by jumping into my conversation with Dr. Sachin Panda on the importance of circadian rhythms, as well as why we want the timing of eating, sleeping, and other daily activities to align with the body's natural cycles. I want to jump right in.
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Even if the calories are the same, chronic late night eating could be or is, is it could or is contributing to weight gain?
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randomly or eat when they're supposed to sleep then they gain excess body weight yeah it's so fascinating because then it also helps many people understand how they feel like they're caught in a vicious cycle yeah because when you eat late at night and your glucose stays up and your insulin stays up again chronically we're not talking about the one or two times that people do that occasionally just to live your normal life that you're doing
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you end up in a place where so many things are disrupted in your metabolic health, but then also that leaves you in the morning because your sleep is disruptive that you're more likely to have cravings for sugary, hyperpalatable foods the next day in addition to just feeling not 100%.
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How to Make It To 100 With A Sharp Brain And Good Mobility
Hi everyone, Drew Proat here. When it comes to the topic of aging, there are two main things we want to protect to live well, well into our later years, our brains and our mobility. And on today's compilation episode, I sit down with Dr. Dale Bredesen, a pioneer in Alzheimer's research to unpack why cognitive decline is no longer a mystery and no longer inevitable.
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Which would be in the category of an infection that is sort of dampening and putting a lot of pressure on the immune system chronically so your body can't function as well as it normally could.
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Yeah, and when you're doing the basics... I think also you are sort of buying yourself time for a lot of these technologies, these treatment protocols, these plans to become more widely available and the price for them to also come down. Even something as simple as like testing your home for mold is actually a little bit complicated. There's a lot of different tests that are out there.
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Every lab has a different sort of reporting. There's a lot of debate. There isn't a lot of different things. Is this test conclusive? Is it not? Then there's urine testing that people can do from labs, like real-time labs. So just doing the basics. I want people to just remember that the basics...
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Not only are they supporting your hopeful reduction and sort of increased prevention in developing Alzheimer's, but they're actually going to make your heart healthier. They're going to make you stronger. They're going to make you more likely not to develop sarcopenia when you get older. Like Alzheimer's is one thing. It is the scariest thing, but there's a bunch of other things too.
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So I just want to make sure that people don't leave this conversation feeling like this feels so complicated. Where do I get started? Because the folks that have been diagnosed or feel like they're rapidly seeing, when you start to notice that you have cognitive decline, and I've had members of my family that have Yeah. Your entire priorities change. Right.
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And you're willing to spend money, effort, time, energy to really make that the number one priority, at least if you have some sense of education. Then in the bucket of the people of prevention, I often worry about, let's make sure we double down on the basics for everyone. Yes. So that they remember that there's no need to get overwhelmed. There's a lot of things that can be done right now.
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Yeah, I've been to their farm in New Jersey.
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And they've done a really good job just building, you know, this organic agriculture, the assembly of all the different recipes by one just tiny, tiny little piece of thing that I would add for my listeners over here is that, you know, we've had Dr. Longo on.
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And he's published some incredible research in his work and he has his philosophy on protein and how excess protein has certain links to mTOR and its role in longevity. We've also had some people on that talked about maybe some of the nuances around that. I personally have been, this is my own bias, I've been convinced that yes, plant rich, ketogenic forward, healthy fats, everything.
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And if we under eat on protein, then we don't have enough skeletal muscle. And skeletal muscle is the number one thing that helps us use up glucose inside of the body.
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And also as we get older and we lose, from my understanding from the different researchers out there, every decade after the age of 40, we're losing about 8% muscle mass, 8% to 10% if we're not actively working out or eating enough protein, regardless of what source, animal or vegetarian, if people can get the right amino acids.
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So that's my only component is that to supplement with the appropriate level of protein that you feel that you desire, just so you can maintain healthy skeletal muscle mass and avoid sarcopenia into your later age.
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Would you say, are you familiar with the work of Dr. Chris Palmer at Harvard? Have you seen his work?
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So I know you're in the middle of it, but potentially, he was a very popular guest on this podcast. He came on here when his book first launched. And a lot of simpatico work. I actually think if you guys aren't in communication, happy to put you guys in communication. Very much this understanding that, how our brain utilizes energy is central in how it's going to be working.
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And if our brain is overloaded from this overload, high quantity of calories from processed foods, primarily insulin resistance also inside of the brain, then you're gonna have all these downstream mental health effects.
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But I was gonna ask you, even though you're partly into this book, potentially that even somebody who's looking to adopt some of the dietary recommendations that he talks about, they could potentially be going on this program as well. Like there's a lot of reasons in addition to Alzheimer's that somebody might want to eat this way that you're talking about.
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And before we go to the seven basics, just since we have you here, I want to tease these out a little bit more and really make sure we understand. So for the blood test and the cognition test and some imaging, are people convincing their current practitioner that they want to get this done? And do you have a link or a resource?
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And where would somebody go if they wanted to learn more about that or do that?
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And this all goes back to increasing blood flow and getting to the farthest regions of the brain.
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If somebody had access to hyperbaric, is that something that you would recommend for people?
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You kill two birds with one stone. You're getting hyper oxygenation, but you're also getting a workout in. Absolutely. Do you do it? Do you do it with like a bike?
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So going back to the basics, you know, we covered the dietary component, really cleaning up the diet, getting off of ultra processed foods. And if people have room inside of their budget, you now have this partnership available with Nutrition for Longevity.
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Or do they have to find a specialized physician, functional medicine, somebody that leans heavily towards lifestyle medicine to run these tests for them?
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That's great. That's a great solution. We need more of those solutions out there. Also, another low-hanging fruit because it goes back right into the work that you, Dr. David Perlmutter, Dr. Richard Johnson did, which is people getting off of liquid forms of calories. If a lot of your calories are coming from liquid forms,
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primarily soda sweetened beverages, sugar sweetened beverages, that is immediately going to be a win because it's going to help your waistline, but it's also going to reduce this exposure to fructose as well as the blood sugar roller coaster that comes from the glucose inside of it as well. Absolutely. That's the dietary side.
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We just want to touch on sleep because I think that more and more people now are putting sleep number two or number one right up there with diet. Sleep is one of those things that the more that you learn about it, the more that you realize that chronic sleep issues are tied into so many different diseases that are out there. Cancer exposure, Alzheimer's.
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You mentioned something the other day that was really interesting on Twitter. People who have restless leg syndrome are more likely to develop Alzheimer's because it seems that restless leg syndrome is something that disrupts your sleep quality. I found that very fascinating. So do you recommend that the first step on improving sleep is for people to get like an at-home sleep study?
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Especially when it comes to the blood work. What's some examples of some of the blood work that they're running?
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That's amazing. Incredible. So bottom line, prioritizing sleep. And if there are any kind of conditions, disorders that are interrupting, don't see it as a light thing. Really tackle it and get the help that you need.
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So we talked about diet. We talked about the sleep. You mentioned some of the other seven. Let's just kind of quickly go through them and any kind of action items that would be there with you.
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Even in that category would be being regular about getting your morning sunlight.
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When you first wake up in the morning, going outside, not necessarily looking directly in the sun, but looking towards that direction and getting that morning sort of reset on your circadian rhythm and then seeing evening sunlight if you can as well. That seems to be an important part of protecting our mitochondria and photobiomodulation.
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So again, the armamentarium is huge. On the topic of supplements, because people always want to know, you didn't mention fish oil. If you can have access to a good high quality fish oil, especially when it comes to the omega-3 to omega-6 ratio, would that be in your top five?
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Yeah, and I think the key is a high quality one.
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Look for brands that are reputable, that haven't been oxidized, because I think there's different debates about is fish oil even healthy for you if it's been oxidized, which typically is going to be the lower quality fish oils that people are buying from big box brands or not reputable brands or things that are imported in from overseas that might not have the high standards that are out there.
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We talk about how prevention starts decades before symptoms show up. And Dr. Dale Bredesen shares why getting a cognoscopy starting around age 40 might be the smartest move you can make for your brain. Then I also talk with Juliet and Kelly Starrett, co-authors of the Wall Street Journal bestseller, Deathbound,
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Absolutely. And so a good multivitamin, that would cover a lot of the ones that you were mentioning, right? Maybe you need to add a little bit of magnesium to get to the threshold.
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So those are the basics. And even for a lot of people, just getting good at that and mastering that, that can be a whole life's work in itself.
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Just like the brain, applying the basics can also be the most important thing to do when it comes to your mobility. And in my conversations with Kelly and Juliet Starrett, we dive into this powerful connection between simple movement patterns and longevity. Kelly and Juliet break down how just a little bit of targeted daily movement can be a game changer in how you live and how you age.
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And they share why it's never too late to get started. Let's listen in. Kelly, Juliet, welcome to the podcast. I want to jump right in on something that actually blew my mind when I read your book. And it's the connection between longevity and something so simple that I think everybody should be paying attention to, but they may not know this connection, sitting down and standing up.
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Who wants to start off by explaining what that connection is?
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Yeah, it's so basic. I mean, anybody listening, you just heard it. You sit on the ground. Crisscross applesauce. Crisscross applesauce, which by the way, we were just talking a bunch about my Indian culture before we started recording. I've been sitting on the ground since we were like, basically could actually sit.
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My grandmother... would regularly prefer to sit on the floor. And actually when we moved to America, we got vacuums, we got other stuff, my grandmother still would prefer to squat and kind of clean the floor with this thing that's kind of like this like weird broom stick.
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And she enjoyed it. It was part of her life. But anyways, I got excited because I was like, oh my gosh, I've been training for this my whole life and I could actually do this test. You know, we talk about VO2 max in this podcast. We talk about grip strength. We talk about a lot of other predictors of longevity, but here is one of the simplest ones that anybody can do.
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In fact, if you're listening, you can pause right now and just try it. Sit on the floor and see if you can get up without any assistance.
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And what would fall into the category of biotoxins, right? What are some of the things that people have probably heard about on this podcast? Like what exposure would they have had? What kind of toxins are we talking about? All right, it's May, and that means celebrating mothers.
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You know, Julia, you were saying about we don't want to scare people, but in a way when we look at the world and chronic disease and how unfortunately people spend usually the last 15 years of their life, especially in American society and which is being exported around the world, right? Like India is one of the fastest growing rates of diabetes anywhere in the world.
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You know, the Middle East is in shambles on health wise as people get more money, they want to live like Americans do, which usually means a lot more sugar. more sedentary life.
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So there's a little part of this, which is that we don't want to leave it at fear, but we do want people to be scared enough because often what I find having taken care of my grandparents, like I kind of had two sides of the equation. My dad's parents had a lot of mobility in their life and my mom's side of the family, her parents had less so. And I saw that decline when I was taking care of them.
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And anybody who's taking care of somebody elderly, who's losing their mobility, losing their body, and then they start to see that the entire body and the brain starts to decline because they can't move, it's scary. And you wouldn't want that for even your worst enemy. And it happens quickly. And it happens quickly.
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You fall off a cliff. So part of this is also... understanding, you know, when you look at a child, you look at a baby, they're doing a lot of these movements that you're talking about in your book, Built to Move, link in the show notes, people, everybody go buy it. It's a fantastic read. They're doing these things naturally.
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At what point of the major milestones that either of you want to highlight, do you start to see big decline in our American and Western society?
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across a thousand different variables and we start to see it have real changes in how you move in your environment run through a little bit of a list of some of those variables just so we can connect the dots for people right you're talking about at a young age kids they're running like usain bolt you know are shoes part of the equation and kind of how That plays into it.
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Of course, you mentioned sitting as well, like run through a few of these things that if we contrast, let's say how my grandmother grew up and how I grew up, you would see that it's not that she's training at CrossFit or that she's trying to get better. She just has to operate a particular way to function in her world and her environment.
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Regarding range of motion, just to kind of close the dots on that, is that there's the sitting crisscross on the floor, right? Cross-legged. Are there other tests that people should be thinking? Is there just one or two that you want to mention right now?
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and the New York Times bestseller Built to Move about how longevity starts at ground level. Literally, they explain why your ability to move freely and get up off the floor with ease is one of the best predictors of how well you age. It's crazy, but it's true. But first, let's dive in to my conversation with Dr. Dale Bredesen.
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We know how our brains and bodies are not separate. In fact, cognitive resilience and physical mobility are two sides of the same coin. So whether it's getting a cognoscopy to assess your brain health or simply reclaiming your ability to sit and stand from the floor with ease, these are real measurable actions that give us back control over our long-term health and vitality.
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If you liked what you heard in today's episode, be sure to check out my full-length conversations with Dr. Dale Bredesen and Juliet and Kelly Starrett. You can find the links for those episodes in the show notes. And if there's someone in your life who you think might benefit from today's episode and conversation on mobility, aging, and brain health, please share this episode with them.
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Yeah. The mold thing, you know, I'm not a physician, I'm not a researcher, I'm not trained in any kind of classical way on any of these things, but from being in this world and kind of being somebody who knows people, I get a lot of friends that are asking me about
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mold because either they feel you know i think the estimates by the world health organization or that 40 of buildings have some sort of you know toxic mold exposure that's there right that's just like the standard estimates that are there and there's more and more people that have been talking about it there's new tests that are available people can test their urine and they see that this is an issue and they might feel they have one of the symptoms
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which is tough because mold can pretty much cause any kind of symptom that's out there. And I find that mold is tricky in a sense that it's hard to identify in the home. There's like a whole debates on this topic. I'm sure you know all about it. Because most mold that people are looking for, you're not looking for moldy food. Obviously, nobody should be consuming moldy food.
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Everybody pretty much knows somebody that has had dementia, Alzheimer's. And they're thinking they might be in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s. And they're not having a sense that they know of right now that they are diagnosed with something or that they have a level of cognitive decline that is sort of seriously impairing their day. They may still have it.
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You're looking for mold contamination from leaky faucets, pipes, drywall, construction, and often it's not visible. It's not like you go into a room and you kind of, you know, pull a little bit of paint off the wall and you have a bunch of black mold. Sometimes it's that. Most often it's a lot more complicated. It's rotting wood. It's tough to find.
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And usually it's people who have had symptoms for a while and maybe hear a podcast like this and are like, maybe I should talk to a naturopathic doctor or a functional medicine doctor. And that's somebody who helps them kind of dig into it a little bit. So finding the mold in the house is tough in the first place. And then on top of that, especially if you're a homeowner,
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treating and deciding how to treat and remediate the mold is very tough too, because it could sometimes be so baked into the building that people are literally deciding, do they move, do they stay, right? Because it's that difficult to remediate.
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All this to say that I've found that it's very tricky to go down the mold rabbit hole, but that doesn't mean that people should not understand that it's a central part of cognitive decline for a lot of people.
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That being said, for this category of people who are listening, who maybe aren't diagnosed with something yet, I think that it's important that, and please feel free to push back on this, by the way. I'm putting out a theory.
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I think it's important to remind people that in addition to good ventilation and air filtration in the home, which only does so much, making sure that people actively are working out.
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that they are doing strength training, that they're avoiding ultra-processed foods, that they're working on becoming not insulin resistant anymore and cutting them out of large pharmaceutical dosages of carbohydrates because those things, even if there is mold exposure, they can't reverse it but they can at least minimize the impact to the body.
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And that's a lot more in people's control than the topic sometimes I find as somebody who's in the space of mold can be so complicated to dig down.
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Would they, would you, if you would ask them again, would you say that if you had to kind of really sort of stress test that idea, would they listed of all the insults that you know of all the potential contributors, causes, et cetera, contributors, I don't want to say causes, would they put mold in the top three?
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They just don't know that it's kind of going on. And at least they haven't been told. And they're looking for what are the things that I can do? to at least based on your experience, especially if I don't have access to one of these clinicians, what are the things that I could be doing today that could be potentially reducing my risk of developing Alzheimer's?
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Hi everyone, Drew Proat here. There has been a ton of traction in the last several years when it comes to the early detection of cancer and a lot of ongoing research on cancer prevention. And yet the scary truth is, is that almost 50% of us at some point in time of our life will get a cancer diagnosis.
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My mom was diagnosed with breast cancer almost 10 years ago, and we had to work with a team, which also included a functional medicine doctor, her oncologist, and a few other holistic practitioners to come up with the right approach for her.
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I've talked about this in the past, but that right approach for her was a combination of traditional therapies, which included an accelerated radiation therapy for her. She didn't end up doing chemotherapy because luckily the cancer was caught very early and it was not an aggressive form. That was there.
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So to connect the dots, It's just like I did earlier with cancer and really talking about, in a way, to look at cancer as a survival mechanism, as a cell. We see it as this destructive disease, which it absolutely is, and it causes havoc for people. But from a biological level, this is just a cell trying to survive.
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So it's tapping into an old evolutionary pathway, which is this fermentation process. So to bring that same sort of thinking over to these two fuel sources for cancer, specifically glucose...
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Really what you're saying, if I understand correctly, please correct me if I'm wrong, is that a ketogenic diet as a therapeutic approach to cancer in a way is cutting off the fuel source that is used in this fermentation process. So still providing fuel for our healthy cells, but taking away the primary fuel sources that cancer uses to grow and grow rapidly inside of the body.
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Is that a correct understanding?
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And she did all the recommendations and followed all the recommendations from her functional medicine practitioner, including reducing her heavy metal exposure, including cleaning up her diet, including exercising more, including improving her insulin.
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Right, because there's stress response is a major part of it, as you've talked about.
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It's not just that we're going to throw this one diet, although diet is a key – part of removing the fuel source of cancer in your work and approach but this is a whole system and maybe when we have a few minutes here in a little bit we can talk about what the whole system is
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It's not that you're out there, somebody saying that, oh, you know, just by cutting off the fuel source, these cells are going to die. No, there might need to be approaches like drugs. And there's a lot of great ones that are out there and we're lucky through modern medicine to have access to them.
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But there could be a protocol to introduce low amounts that then can actually kill the cancer, depending on what type of cancer people are dealing with.
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So this is all to say that while I present Dan Stacey's information and the folks at the Hippocrates Research Foundation and Dr. Thomas Seyfried, who I have a lot of respect for, everybody needs to put their own team together. And the goal is... Hopefully this episode inspires you to at least do some more research in terms of what's out there.
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Now, back in 2012, Dr. Seyfried published a groundbreaking book titled Cancer as a Metabolic Disease on the Origin, Management, and Prevention of Cancer. In that book, Dr. Seyfried lays out his groundbreaking research and breaks down his Press Pulse Protocol, which is a novel therapeutic strategy for the management of cancer.
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now that protocol includes a whole host of things including metabolic therapies like caloric restriction fasting a ketogenic diet and a few additional therapeutics including hyperbaric oxygen and drug management And this protocol has been proven in Dr. Seyfried's research in mice to slow down and even reverse tumor growth.
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But here's the thing, if you interview Dr. Thomas Seyfried like I did, it's hard to get a true sense of everything involved in the protocol for human beings. And that's because the protocol is super in-depth, incredibly technical, and also in the category of highly experimental.
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And the last thing Dr. Seyfried wants to do is to give anyone a false sense of hope by only covering little bits and pieces of his protocol. But today, we have an incredible guest on the podcast.
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His name is Den Stacy, and he's walking us through his step-by-step, end-of-one experience following Dr. Seyfried's recommendations and protocol through the support of his team at the Hippocrates Research Foundation.
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Now, even though Dr. Seyfried's work in mice has been repeatedly proven, there are no, let me say that again, there are no clinical trials in humans and the metabolic therapy approach to cancer management is considered highly, highly experimental.
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But even with that said, organizations like the Hippocrates Research Foundation are documenting a growing body of case studies so that the awareness and interest in Dr. Seyfried's protocol and the metabolic approach to cancer management continues to grow.
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Let's jump into this episode, starting with the mind-blowing email that Dan Stacey sent me about his experience on Dr. Thomas Seyfried's Pulse Press protocol.
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So with that being said, let's jump into my first conversation with Dr. Thomas Seyfried. what I'm sort of hearing big picture as a lay person, not a medical expert, to make sure that I have the correct understanding, is that long before human beings were around, cells had this methodology of getting energy through fermentation, as you've described.
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In today's compilation episode, I share a segment from my conversation with cancer researcher and scientist, Dr. Thomas Seyfried, whose groundbreaking research approaches cancer as a metabolic dysfunction and addresses its root cause.
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Beautiful. Well, Dan, welcome to the podcast. Thanks. We have this incredible team that supported you with us here, and I'd love to start off with some introductions. Can we start at this end over here?
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Fantastic. Well, it's an honor and pleasure to have you all here. So Dan, you know, one of the things that people didn't get from the Dr. Seyfried interview that we did was they didn't get sort of, you know, let's say we're at 30,000 feet above a view of like cancer as a metabolic disease, metabolic and mitochondria disease. You go a little bit further down and you're like, okay,
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what are you actually doing on this thing? And I'm sure you've had, of course, you have to explain to your kids, they see you. So before we go deeper into the weeds here and some of the finer sort of tweaks in the ins and outs, how would you describe the protocol as you understood it to people around you who didn't come from a science background and hadn't read all of Seyfried's work?
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We call that a disease, but if we really look at it, it's almost a survival mechanism of the cell switching from one way of going about creating energy to being forced to consuming energy through another pathway, this fermentation pathway. But in that process, the cells, the cancer cells,
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On a daily basis, just to add to what you were sharing, and this is part of the meticulously following the protocol, we're all sitting here. I didn't really eat breakfast this morning intentionally. I fasted. I do wear a continuous glucose monitor. I don't have one on today, but if I probably would check, finger prick or continuous glucose monitor, I know me right about this time.
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I'm probably by glucose is somewhere around the range of maybe like... high 70s, low 80s, just because I generally have a good metabolic health and everything. The level that you are needing to get your glucose in, as you mentioned, is beyond sort of what would be normally considered a healthy range. That's right. And it's to get into this therapeutic range.
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And as I understand it, you want to keep it there for a long period of time.
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So that means that you are twice a day, again, following the CFRE protocol. And Daniel, you and your team were doing this with dogs initially, right? That had cancer. Twice a day, you're checking in using a finger prick test to see, are you within range?
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And it's not just, Dr. Howard, it was not just the food component that plays in. A big part of Seyfried's protocol is also making sure that you significantly reduce the stress component in your life.
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which were previously healthy, they now have become out of control and they have dysregulated, unregulated growth, which ultimately ends up leading to a whole cascading situations of problems. Is that accurate? Is there anything I missed in that?
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just adding to this sort of view for somebody who's following along and they're like, okay, I'm trying to piece together exactly what he did and how he's in this situation. So this is a dietary piece. There's a strict adherence to keeping your blood sugar within range. And there's also this other piece, which is, we talked about the stress piece. And then,
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Every so often, you're going and doing hyperbaric. Yeah. Let's talk about that.
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A hard chamber. There's soft chambers, there's hard chambers.
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And how often are you going in the protocol?
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Talk about the drugs for a second. Who wants to chat about the role that the various drugs to suppress?
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And in an ideal world, Seyfried's talking about going to the hyperbaric chamber, you know, five days a week. You mentioned, Dan, that can be cost prohibitive. It can be challenging for people to even find it in the first place. We'll talk about your story, which is kind of interesting of how you found it nearby you.
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But Daniel, going back to what you were sharing, is that then, is my understanding correct that, so you're doing the diet every single day, right? Precision measuring the blood glucose, right? making sure as part of that, of course, stress is kept at bay and that the glucose is in range. And then in an ideal world, if you are doing that,
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you know, hyperbaric five days a week, then every time before going and do hyperbaric, you're taking the drugs or the therapeutics to, again, put the cancer in the most vulnerable place. Is that right?
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Dr. Howard, let's talk about both Gregory and Michelle. Let's talk about the team that one would need. Somebody's listening to this. They have a family member. They, themself, might have been diagnosed. Or there's a researcher that's listening and is thinking, well, what is the collection of a team that somebody might need to help
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Of course, there's your foundation that you guys have put together that is coaching, giving individuals guidance, but you're not their doctor.
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Right. So what sort of team do they need? Because they're going to be needing access to prescription drugs in some cases. And there's other factors that are there.
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Although extremely controversial, Dr. Seyfried's approach and his science and studies that he's done with this team has provided hope for practitioners and cancer patients all over the world, including one of our guests featured on today's podcast.
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somebody open-minded who understands and has at least a healthy bias in a good way towards the impact that metabolic therapies and metabolism can have on different disease states that are there.
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They don't have to have a cancer background, but they have to be open-minded to understand how this methodology works and be willing to roll up their sleeves a little bit to help their patients sort of figure out the ins and outs and the nuances around this.
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Dan, what did your team look like? You had your original surgeon and his team that did the surgery on you in the first place and saving your life from the tumor that was in your heart. And then you got, I'm sure, referred to an oncology team that was there, that was tracking sort of your basics, as many cancer patients have their main individual.
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Who was the rest of the individuals that were there? that were supporting you from a standard sort of medical side of things?
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in hearing your story initially when we chatted, it reminded me that a big part of Seyfried's protocol and why he feels hesitant to get into the deep weeds on podcasts and platforms is he doesn't want to give a sense of false hope. Many people who are diagnosed with cancer or are in a situation where they have a loved one who is diagnosed
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because of this world that we live in, in standard of care, we're very used to, hey, go to this hospital. And then they're going to be the decision makers. They're gonna tell you what to do. They're gonna tell you what not to do. And largely you just show up.
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And here, this is fundamentally the opposite. You are truly the CEO of your own health.
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And you had these different individuals that were there supporting you. Even some people, as you mentioned, your oncology team and your oncologist, who was a nice individual, but whose hands were bound. I had a very similar situation in my mom's case with breast cancer. Essentially, they said, listen, there's no research on this. This is often what a lot of people hear.
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And maybe even in some instances, these things may be harmful, right? Again, that's kind of a standard thing that you often hear from very well-meaning individuals. Misunderstandings around. Misunderstandings, right? And not only do patients not walk away with encouragement, sometimes they can walk away with discouragement. Absolutely. That's there. Absolutely.
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Largely, though, in many individuals' positions, and this was the case for you, as you, with the supportive team that you had, including the individuals here, you went down the pathway, you went down the protocol, and when it came time to retesting, your traditional oncology team was a team that retested you, got the PET scans done, and they came back and they shared something, which was...
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I don't know how this is happening. Absolutely. I don't know why this is working, but I guess whatever you're doing, keep on doing it.
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Daniel and team, when you heard the news, how was your own feeling? By no means is this the first case study that you guys have had a chance.
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Dr. Thomas Seyfried's work has inspired many, including other researchers, several who have had the opportunity to speak with on this podcast.
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And while Den Stacy's story is a remarkable and of one, it's important for me to reiterate that the protocol he followed is highly experimental and not fully tested on human application, which even Den Stacy and Thomas Seyfried would agree with, which means again, as we mentioned in the beginning, you have to put your own team together and you need to find the approach that works for you.
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But as I mentioned before, my hope is that in sharing the information about Dr. Seyfried's work and sharing Den's incredible story, we will all benefit from the increased awareness and ongoing research on promising integrative and innovative approaches to cancer.
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If you'd like to hear my full-length interviews with Dr. Seyfried and with Den and his team, you can find the links to those in the episode show notes below. And if you liked this episode, please consider sharing it with a friend. Until next time, thanks for tuning in.
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Den Stacey, who after being diagnosed with stage four cancer, embarked on a journey inspired by Dr. Seyfried's research to ultimately become cancer free.
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I had the opportunity to sit down with Den and his team from the Hippocrates Research Foundation, a nonprofit that continues Dr. Thomas Seyfried's work by helping cancer patients combat their disease through the education on the metabolic approaches to the treatment of the root causes of cancer. I'll also be sharing a portion of my conversation with them in today's episode.
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It absolutely makes sense. And really connecting the dots here for the audience that's following along, your early work in the field of epilepsy and showing that essentially a ketogenic diet, right? Because again, we're talking about that. And ketogenic diet is the most studied diet when it comes to brain health and specifically people dealing with epilepsy.
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A while back on this podcast, I sat down with a holistic plastic surgeon who told me that one of the best things that you can do for your skin, whether it's wrinkles, fine lines, acne, or overall skin health, is red light therapy. Since hearing that episode, so many people in my family, including my wife and sisters, have been consistent with their evening red light routine.
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Now, quick disclaimer before we jump into our conversation with cancer researcher and scientist Dr. Thomas Seyfried. As always, the information provided on this podcast and in my content is for general knowledge and information purposes only. It does not constitute medical advice. Cancer is very complicated and everybody's situation is unique and different. I know this firsthand.
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And the one that they use is the Bond Charge Red Light Face Mask. Red light therapy is a science-backed way to stimulate collagen and elastin production. helping to reduce fine lines, wrinkles, and signs of aging while also improving skin texture and overall appearance. But it doesn't just stop at skincare.
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This mask can also be used to help with sore jaws, migraines, eczema, scar tissue, wound healing, and even relaxation. My family loves the Bond Charge mask because you can switch between both near-infrared and red light in one device. It has a sleek, lightweight design that doesn't get too hot on your face.
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And the best thing is that Bond Charge offers worldwide shipping, a 12-month warranty, and easy returns and exchanges if you ever are not satisfied. You can even use your HSA and FSA funds to purchase this red light mask. So let's talk protocols. My family uses the Boncharge Red Light Face Mask for 10 to 20 minutes a day while reading, watching TV, or winding down at night.
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4 Key Factors That Contribute to Skin Aging
Hi everyone, Drew Proat here. Skin health has always been a passion of mine. And these days, it feels like everyone has a 12-step skin routine packed with lotions, potions, and countless products. But when it comes to anti-aging, or as I like to say, a longevity-promoting skincare routine... I'm more convinced than ever that our skin is a direct reflection of what's happening inside our bodies.
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People don't know, but collagen literally comes from the skin, bones. Yep. of animals, and that was part of what we ate. We never wasted an animal. You would always use something. You'd put it in a soup, a broth, a stew, something.
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That's great. Awesome. We'll link to your website. People can learn more in the show notes. So inflammation was another one. We chatted about that briefly. Anything else you want to say about inflammation before we go to free radical damage?
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Can I chime in on this? I've written a little bit about it and there's a company that's out there. I forgot their name, but they sent me a testing kit. I have no affiliation with them that sort of helps you measure these advanced glycation end products. A lot of people that have come on this podcast talk about a good proxy measure of it would be hemoglobin A1C.
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right so you look at your hemoglobin a1c which is your blood it looks at the sugars binding inside your body uh to your cells and over the course of like six to eight weeks it's a marker that people use for also diabetes right to look at pre-diabetes diabetes
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So on the side of meat being associated with advanced glycation end products, part of what I've seen is that it's when those foods have been charred or overcooked.
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So if you have a lot of charring and you have that literally charcoal that's there, like you go from instead of lightly cooked or sort of, you know, medium rare sort of piece of meat to something that is super charred, the charring is where the extra sort of advanced glycation end products, only to mention in so that people don't get spooked that, oh, I got to stop eating steak or bacon.
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There can be ways to cook things that can be in a healthier way. We just want to avoid even vegetables that are super highly charred.
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all the time once in a while here there's nothing wrong with that yes but if every day as part of a staple of our diet we're eating meat or vegetables that's charred that seems to be one of the things that is the biggest contribute to these uh ages in our diet and then you know being created inside of the body
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it's so true there's that cheesy old quote from uh tony robbins but it's so true and i'm a huge fan of him you know nothing tastes as good as being healthy feels yes right and when you truly are healthy and obviously people make jokes about that joke they make jokes about that quote and they'll say things like well you've never had a piece of bacon or you've never had you know this or that but really
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for our lifespan, when you wake up in the morning and you have energy, when you look in the mirror and you feel like, wow, like I feel healthy, right?
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Like you're looking at yourself, you feel healthy, both from the outside in, but the inside out, a big part of that obviously too, working out, having a low stress life, all the things that we talk about and people practice to the degree, you get started where you are and you continue to make progress. nothing feels as great as that.
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You feel like you can conquer the world every single day and you're happy and it's infectious. Everybody around you feels like I want to do what he's doing.
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So you touched on inflammation, you being a plastic surgeon and having gone through your medical training, I mean, we have to just briefly chat about stress in the context. Do you feel that stress is really one of the top things that if people have chronic stress, we all have a little bit of stress that we deal with, but what do you wanna say about chronic stress? Let's talk red light therapy.
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One of the easiest ways to boost cellular health naturally is red light therapy. With over a thousand scientific studies supporting its efficacy to date, red light therapy has been shown to help strengthen the mitochondria, reduce pain, and inflammation, increased circulation, enhanced performance, muscle recovery, and so much more.
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Plus it works wonders on stimulating those essential cellular energy factories that you've heard about on this podcast before, our mitochondria. Multiple studies have shown that red light is also effective in supporting the fight against acne, scars, wrinkles, and enhancing collagen production.
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You made a video on this one time, right?
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One of the foremost researchers and scientists in the space is a Dr. Alyssa Appel. I'm not sure if you've heard of her, but she's from University of San Francisco, University of California, San Francisco. And she wrote a book, I believe it's called Stress Prescription. She came on this podcast.
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She actually has a bunch of studies that she's put together about how chronic stress literally ages the body. Interesting. I'll send it to you. So it's a really great sort of pull thread and some studies that she's been involved in as well. But yes, minimizing that sort of chronic stress. Do you think that there's any... I'm just asking for your experience on this.
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People who have less chronic stress in their life have less wrinkles in their face, especially if they're eating healthy, because they're just not... You know, they're more at peace. Is there any association to that at all?
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Yeah, not to mention the fact that probably if people are drinking bone broth on a regular basis, they're getting just the hydration aspect that's there. It's kind of like when people would say, hey, juicing
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I think that part of what's happening now as the wellness movement and the health movement grows up is that people are being more skeptical about claims that are not backed up by things because there's nothing wrong with somebody saying, hey, look, I drink bone broth every day and my skin looks fantastic versus somebody saying bone broth absolutely is going to transform your skin.
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And there's so much research that's out there and they don't point to any research that's there. That's where we wanna stay away from those individuals that are saying things like that.
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What you're really talking about is something important that individuals like Dr. Jeffrey Bland, who's the grandfather, father of functional medicine, he says, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. There you go. Just because a study hasn't been done doesn't mean, and doctors can fall into this too, that, hey, there's no proof that this thing happens.
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I think you have a few important reminders just going inside of the book and kind of going through it and looking at your content. One of the most important reminders, because we have people of all different walks of life, some people that are just starting their health journey, is that
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Well, you may have not looked into it, but also maybe a study hasn't been done.
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But all that to be said, you're a fan of bone broth.
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We talked about it a little bit, but number four on your list was free radical damage. Do you want to just go into a little bit more about free radical damage and why it's so important to protect our skin from free radical damage?
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Just moving from an ultra-processed diet or getting calories primarily from an ultra-processed diet to moving towards a whole food diet with a good diversity, that alone is going to start putting you in the right direction. And then if you find a good quality supplement, you have a few that might be listed inside of the book and resources on your website as well.
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Some that also actually help out with thinning hair that are there.
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So on today's compilation episode, I'm excited to bring you excerpts from my conversations on this topic with a few people, including America's holistic plastic surgeon, Dr. Anthony Yoon, and gut health expert, Dr. Vincent Pedre. And in this episode, we dive deep into the key factors that contribute to skin aging.
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So just even getting a good quality multivitamin, moving away from ultra processed foods, minimizing sugar as a percentage of your diet to make more room for better quality calories that are there. And then this kind of overlaps into a few other things that will go into information like getting better quality fats, et cetera.
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Yeah. I wanted to double click on one thing that you shared, which was the ultra processed foods and free radical damage and kind of linking that back to also ages is highly fried food is also one of the things because of its nature and ability to sort of create a lot of acrylamide. because you have carbohydrates that are highly fried so all the proteins get denatured.
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We wrote a newsletter about this. I think it was called The Food Mood Connection. Tessa, you can bring it up. But basically there was a huge research study that was done that we've highlighted in our newsletter to our listeners talking about there was 140,000 people that were looked at over a period of time and they found, I won't have all the details, but we'll link to it below,
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that the number one food that was associated with depressive-like symptoms was actually French fries. And when they looked into it, that overconsumption of highly fried food and French fried is the number one. That's why potatoes are one of the top vegetables that we consume here in North America.
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It was correlated with these depressive symptoms primarily because they felt that there's this free radical damage that's happening to the body and the brain. So it's not just aging our skin.
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These things that you're talking about that will make our skin look better, they're also going to be protective for our brain because we're going to be avoiding things like high levels of free radicals from things like acrylamide inside of the diet.
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We're not talking about the French fries here and there, the occasional trip to even a place like McDonald's.
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That's great. Thank you. So in my opinion, and as the science starts to show, there's no question at all that the food that we eat contributes greatly to our skin health. And it goes back to this idea that Dr. Yoon discussed, that chronic inflammation from long-term stress and our diets and everything else that we experience can accelerate skin aging.
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So those basic reminders are so key because everybody could use a little bit of tuning up when it comes to just getting out of this sort of environment that we're in where we're surrounded by things that are highly palatable that want us to overeat, which makes little room for the more nutritious things that are there.
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And now, after Dr. Yoon, I want to dive into my conversation with Dr. Vincent Pedre. as he shares a little bit about how stress impacts the gut. And Dr. Pedri also shares simple tools to reduce stress to improve your gut health and overall quality of life. Let's listen in.
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What are some of the questions that you ask people about their lifestyle that give you some sense of where do they fall in the stress spectrum? Because as we talked about earlier, everybody's dealing with some version of stress in their modern lifestyle. And especially if you have kids, right? That brings up a whole other component and how we're all trying to navigate. What
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are like, are you asking about their sleep? What are some of the things you're looking at? What are the most important indicators? Like if somebody is telling you how this area of their life is going, that's an indication of like, okay, you're probably dealing with a level of stress that's directly impacting your gut health.
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You want to walk people through that real quick? Just the the sigh.
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And you gotta imagine that that has all sorts of implications when you're doing that throughout the day. It's gonna be easier for you to fall asleep later on. It's gonna be easier for you to feel like you're not shoving down a stressful situation that just happened.
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Yeah, it felt great. felt great absolutely just brings you back into the present moment and connects you know we've had dr andrew huberman on the podcast a couple times and he talks about you know not too much but increasing our interoception so that we know actually what's going on inside of our body like yeah do we know i would call it um embodying yourself like coming back into your body
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We all want to age well, and attending to your skin health goes far beyond just what products you use or put on its surface. Supporting your health from the inside out is truly the key to healthy skin.
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In addition to making sure you're getting your right nutrients, antioxidants, and anti-inflammatory inputs, dealing with lifestyle factors that lead to chronic stress, which we want to avoid, is also so influential to aging well from the inside out. I hope you enjoyed today's compilation episode with Dr. Pedre and Dr. Yoon.
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And if you did share this episode with a friend, thanks so much for tuning in until next time.
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4 Key Factors That Contribute to Skin Aging
So you wanted to talk about collagen and I know our audience wants to hear about it. So let's talk about it.
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You can also throw out money out your window in your car just on the freeway if you want to as well.
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So now let's turn over to my conversation with Dr. Anthony Yoon as he lays out the four key factors that contribute to skin aging from his perspective. And he also answers the question, are topical collagen creams worthwhile? Let's jump in. So let's walk through the four things that age us, starting with the basics of nutrient depletion.
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Who was primarily giving the hate? Was it sort of people that are in the medical space?
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Yeah, it takes a big man. And I hope that we can all do that. And we want to encourage that sort of environment where even I've come on this podcast, say, here's all the things that I've changed my mind on. You know, it's a good trait to have. But that was amazing that he did that.
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You know, in a perfect world, we would all get enough of the nutrients that we need for high level performance from our diets alone. That's in a perfect world. But we live in the real world, and that's a world of nutritional deficiencies and not always optimized diets.
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I used to focus only on acne prevention because I had a long history of that, as many listeners know, but now I'm more concerned with keeping my skin hydrated and preventing wrinkles. I'm not someone who's super into skincare, that's to say the least, or aesthetics, but like all of us, I want to keep my skin healthy as I age. That's why I'm excited to talk about today's sponsor, OneSkin.
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Why should you care about that if you care about not only how you look, but also everything you're talking about today is also about how you feel on the inside and it's connected to your health span. So nutrient depletion, let's start with that.
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That's amazing. Do you, as a little bit of a teaser, we'll go into it later on too, but how do you typically take your collagen and what should people be looking for when they're thinking about getting supplemental collagen?
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Yeah, so it's a powder. You can get it in capsule form, but a powder just allows more quantity of you being able to get it in. Otherwise, if you had capsules, you'd have to take 20 capsules.
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So we were sharing the four kind of key components that are related to things that are aging us. And we talked about nutrient depletion. Then collagen was really collagen degradation. People are not getting enough collagen ancestrally. It looks like, you know, from the individuals that have come on this podcast, there was more sort of eating the whole animal in different societies.
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Struggling with Low Libido? Your Blood Sugar Could Be to Blame. Top Tips for Boosting Libido with Sex and Metabolic Experts
Hi everyone, Drew Proat here. Today, we're diving into the fascinating science on an often overlooked topic, how your sexual health can serve as an indicator of your metabolic and hormonal health.
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Struggling with Low Libido? Your Blood Sugar Could Be to Blame. Top Tips for Boosting Libido with Sex and Metabolic Experts
Yeah, a lot of things sound complex when you're getting started, but the more that you listen to people who are good at breaking them down, and you are great at breaking it down. And also, I love your newsletter, which also has great recipes inside of there. We'll link that up. If anybody wants fantastic recipes on a weekly basis, your newsletter is Dr. Casey's Kitchen, is what it's called, right?
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Struggling with Low Libido? Your Blood Sugar Could Be to Blame. Top Tips for Boosting Libido with Sex and Metabolic Experts
Yeah. Is a fantastic one. You know, I was really blown away to... See, one stat that you had referenced in your article, it said, twice as many women with type 2 diabetes experience sexual dysfunction compared to women without. That's mind-blowing.
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Struggling with Low Libido? Your Blood Sugar Could Be to Blame. Top Tips for Boosting Libido with Sex and Metabolic Experts
It's mind blowing. And then another one that is on the side of the statistics with men, you talked about ED a little bit. We often think about ED as erectile dysfunction as being something that affects older men. But one thing that I pulled from yours was ED also affects up to a quarter of gentlemen under the age of 40.
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When you hear those statistics and you look at this world and you also see, you know, like population decline and all this other stuff like does this that is like were you uh when you when you see statistics like this absolutely because we are dealing with somewhat of a fertility crisis right now
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Struggling with Low Libido? Your Blood Sugar Could Be to Blame. Top Tips for Boosting Libido with Sex and Metabolic Experts
You might not immediately think that these things are connected, but the truth is your sexual function, fertility, and even your desire for intimacy can all provide insights into many other areas of your overall health. So in today's compilation episode,
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Yeah, I think one thing that's interesting on the fertility side, as people wait to have children at a later age, I think one argument that's there is that, great, there might be a lot of different factors and it's a multifactorial thing. We got to focus on the economy and jobs and childcare. There's a lot of different things that play into it.
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Struggling with Low Libido? Your Blood Sugar Could Be to Blame. Top Tips for Boosting Libido with Sex and Metabolic Experts
But if your metabolic health is better, that also means that your egg quality is going to be better. And in the case of men, your sperm quality is going to be better. Can you chime in on that?
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Struggling with Low Libido? Your Blood Sugar Could Be to Blame. Top Tips for Boosting Libido with Sex and Metabolic Experts
You mentioned those three areas that are related to the sexual health. We covered blood flow, which had a few different components to it. The other one that you mentioned was hormones. Let's dive into hormones a little bit and how key hormones are to this whole topic.
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Struggling with Low Libido? Your Blood Sugar Could Be to Blame. Top Tips for Boosting Libido with Sex and Metabolic Experts
I further discussed this fascinating link between hormonal imbalances and sexual health in my conversation with Dr. Reena Malik. She shares more about how testosterone and estrogen can directly affect libido, sexual function, and overall well-being. Let's listen in. I want to start off big picture. What do we know about the connection between sex, longevity, and a healthy lifespan?
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Struggling with Low Libido? Your Blood Sugar Could Be to Blame. Top Tips for Boosting Libido with Sex and Metabolic Experts
What percentage do you find And of course, it's going to vary per people.
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Struggling with Low Libido? Your Blood Sugar Could Be to Blame. Top Tips for Boosting Libido with Sex and Metabolic Experts
But if you look at the sort of national landscape, and that's why you put stress at the top, how much of there being a gap in terms of an individual of where they are and where they want to be in terms of the fulfillment in their sex life, which might play into frequency, how much of that is mental and how much of that is physical?
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Struggling with Low Libido? Your Blood Sugar Could Be to Blame. Top Tips for Boosting Libido with Sex and Metabolic Experts
On the physical side, just as a little bit of a teaser, because you talk about it so frequently, is exercise one of the top things that people can do to improve their internal motivation and desire for sex from a physical level?
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Struggling with Low Libido? Your Blood Sugar Could Be to Blame. Top Tips for Boosting Libido with Sex and Metabolic Experts
So let's flip to the opposite of exercise, which is the sedentary lifestyle that most people are living. They're not getting even the most minimum amount of exercise that's there. What impact does a sedentary lifestyle have on our libido and our sexual health?
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Struggling with Low Libido? Your Blood Sugar Could Be to Blame. Top Tips for Boosting Libido with Sex and Metabolic Experts
It's almost like our sexual health is really that barometer, to come back to the beginning of the podcast, is that if, and there's many different reasons why people may not be having sex as frequently, they could not be in a relationship, in between a relationship, et cetera, but if that desire is not there,
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Struggling with Low Libido? Your Blood Sugar Could Be to Blame. Top Tips for Boosting Libido with Sex and Metabolic Experts
At a level that was maybe a benchmark, even though we know that when you're a teenager, that desire is skyrocketing, right? Hormones and everything like that. That general desire is not there as an adult. There's been a big shift that's there.
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Struggling with Low Libido? Your Blood Sugar Could Be to Blame. Top Tips for Boosting Libido with Sex and Metabolic Experts
Sure, there could be things that we want to pay attention to that are specifically for our sexual health, but that sometimes can be an indication of, hey, let's check in on our physical health as well.
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Let's start with women and then we'll come back to men. But on the physical side, what are the top list of reasons that you see that would be interfering with a patient's unique expression of wanting a more healthy and pleasurable sex life?
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Continuing on the topic of women, you mentioned hormones and that beginning at perimenopause, which also a lot of people don't know, men don't know, a lot of women don't know, this could be a 10-year period at least, right?
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Before you're entering officially into menopause. For women that find themselves in this category where their hormones are starting to change, what are the topics of discussion that you have with him? Do you talk about, well, let me give it over to you.
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What topics do you talk about and how do you assess if somebody's hormones are in range that are supporting their overall health, but also their sexual health? And what are the key hormones that you're looking at and bringing up with your patient about them being out of range and them needing to be addressed?
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but I think it's a super important topic to go into. And I think it's also part of how we make metabolic health be sexy, is to actually talk about the direct link that it has to our sex drive in our life. That's actually one of the openings that you had in one of the articles that you wrote on this topic, which we have a link to in the show notes over here.
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I'm sharing portions of my conversations with Dr. Casey Means all about the ways that metabolic health can impact your sexual health and sexual function. Dr. Means is a Stanford-trained physician, one of the founders of the metabolic health company Levels, and of course, the author of one of my favorite books, Good Energy.
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And there's a lot of reasons why a woman might want to have hormone therapy in relationship to, and you listed many of them that are there, generally speaking for somebody who feels like their libido is very low, is hormone therapy enough of, how often does it work? For a woman who feels like their libido is low.
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We were talking about some of the things that interfere with having healthy sex desire, libido, etc. What are some of the other physical things that women in particular go through that you see in your clinic that prevent them from enjoying sex?
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For example, I know one topic that's come on this podcast a few times is some women, I don't know what percentage you probably know, experience painful sex.
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And because sometimes, if you're trying to talk to young people, especially, and the rates of diabetes and metabolic health for young people are also crazy. Every year, younger and younger, you're seeing kids with diabetes and other indicators of poor metabolic health.
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and i think if we're going to reach the younger audience we have to also help them understand that number one first and foremost it's crazy to have to say this in this day and age but actually the drive for sex is a good thing right of course we want to have good and proper sexual education for people that's available to them and we shouldn't be ashamed the fact that people have a sex drive men and women who historically you know women got the short end of the stick
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A fulfilling sex life is an essential part of our overall well-being. Not only can it enhance our vitality and strengthen the bond we share with our partner, but can also serve as a powerful reflection of our overall health. When our metabolic health is suffering or our hormones are out of balance, it can often show up in our sexual health and function.
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So if you're dealing with low energy, changes in your libido, even things like erectile dysfunction, which my cardiologist says that ED, erectile dysfunction, stands for ED, endothelial dysfunction, which I've always appreciated, it might be time to take a closer look at what's happening with your metabolic and hormonal health.
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For deeper insights into these topics, be sure to check out my full-length conversations with Dr. Casey Means and Dr. Reena Malik. And if you liked this episode, do me a favor, please consider sharing it with a friend. Until next time, thanks for tuning in.
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saying that women shouldn't have a sex drive. So I think all those things are important to talk about, but if we're gonna get them excited, it's like, hey, actually eating healthier, living healthier is important to how you not only perform, but your interest in wanting sex in the first place.
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Let's talk a little bit about how you were maybe taught to look at the problem in your training as a physician from a conventional standpoint, right? How were you taught to look at what are the drivers for, let's talk about specifically sexual health, interest, or even just... Again, it's so complicated and there's a lot of different layers here. Therapy can play a role in couples.
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She's also an associate editor of the International Journal of Disease Reversal and Prevention and a lecturer at Stanford University. And in addition to Dr. Means, we also speak with board-certified urologist and prominent reconstructive urologist, Dr. Reena Malik, all about the role that hormone imbalances play in sexual desire, function, and much more.
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There's a lot of different factors, but we're specifically talking about the physiological side, which actually also, I think this is going to be a big insight for people as they listen today, it actually influences the mental side too.
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That actually might be worth touching on for a second because there's some people that are paying attention today and saying that, hey, listen, what does metabolism have to do with some of the mental aspects of the pursuit or the enjoyment of sexual health?
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But first, let's listen into my conversation with Dr. Casey Means. you had shared that if you care about your long-term health, if you care about your being in your optimal health, you want to pay attention to your sexual health. Let's talk about that. I think we got a lot of people who perked up all of a sudden. They're very interested in this topic.
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Now, before we get to the other couple ones, let's just start off a little bit with what are some of the things that restrict that blood flow in the body?
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Like what are some of the things that the lifestyle factors, so we know that it's through the mechanism of poor metabolic health, but what are some of the things that people are doing every day that are contributors to having plaque buildup and restricting the blood flow which ends up negatively impacting your sexual drive? All right, I got a question for you.
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What if you could track your food, sleep, exercise, blood sugar, and key biomarkers all in one place? Well, I have good news for you. With the Levels app, this is not only possible, it's actually needed if we're gonna fix our broken healthcare system.
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You wanna hear something pretty shocking that I learned from the Levels founder, Josh Clemente, recently on this podcast, is that there are so many people who are unhealthy and they don't even know that they're unhealthy. This is where the Levels app comes in.
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We have over half of US adults that have prediabetes or diabetes, and just these two conditions alone set the stage for things like Alzheimer's, heart disease, and even cancer. That's why it's so important to use technology, things like the Levels app, to stay on top of your metabolic health and stay on top of all your biomarkers and your exercise and your sleep and the tracking of your food.
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I've had to use a bunch of different apps to do this. Now with the Levels app, I can do this all in one place. I can track my metrics, my macros, my habits, and my glucose levels from a continuous glucose monitor. And now with their new features, you can even track step count, sleep, and more to understand how your daily habits shape your health.
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Plus you can get labs directly through the Levels app Or if you have your own blood work, you can upload it to track 10 key biomarkers and see the full picture of your metabolic health over time. And this is huge because there are key actions that you can take to improve it.
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For example, when Josh was on this podcast, he mentioned that even a 15-minute walk after meals can dramatically improve glucose control. And with levels, you can see these effects in real time.
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Right now, if you're interested in this, the app that tracks it all in one place, Levels is offering my listeners two free months of their annual membership when you sign up through my link, levels.link slash dhru. I don't know how long this offer will last. So if you've been thinking about learning more about your metabolic health and trying
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tracking all of your metrics in one place, now is the time to get started. Just go to levels.link, levels.link slash DHRU to get two free months of their annual membership today.
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What do you mean by paying attention to our sexual health and how that's connected to our optimal health?
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So many people feel that their premature aging, this idea of them looking older than they feel like they should, is all related to bad genetics. But one of my favorite newsletters that you wrote was you talked about six things in particular that have strong evidence around them that are actually connected to premature aging and getting older.
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Let me ask you a question. You've talked about collagen a few times. Well, actually, people don't know. What are the best sources? And for you personally, do you use a collagen supplement, which seems to be popular these days? What are your thoughts on that?
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Diet first.
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Well, going back to diet, there's another habit that many people have. There's more awareness now than ever, but still, there's a lot of people that are consuming alcohol on a regular basis. How does that impact diet? How we look.
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When you add all these things up, you can see how certain populations of people, if they're starting their morning off with a big Starbucks latte with like some of these drinks, it's crazy when you look up the nutritional facts, they can have 50 grams of sugar, 40 grams of sugar, liquid sugar in particular, which is not just damaging for your skin, but damaging for your metabolism, as you've also written.
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And then they're eating pastries. on a regular basis, we're not talking about having the perfect diet, but if your diet is based around these bad principles, bad habits at an abusive level, you can see how very quickly you have an entire population that just looks a lot older than they should be, which looks is one thing, but looks as a reflection of the internal health, right?
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So we're not just talking about I'm as vain as anybody else. Sure, I want to look good. Everybody who's listening wants to look good too. But really, it's a reflection that you're healthy on the inside.
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Totally. And it kind of goes back to your point of like, primarily when you're making things at home, if you're going to make if you're going to make a pastry at home, which I know is not common, not a lot of people make pastries at home, you know, probably in a country like yours, you're getting high quality pastries with like good, you know, wheat or rye or whatever they're using to make.
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But generally speaking, if you're going to make something that's more of an indulgent food, if you're going to make it at home, it's going to be way healthier at home than you eating out on a regular basis. So my guess is probably the same thing with like a coffee. Like sometimes I like to put a little bit of honey in my coffee.
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But it's completely different if you're adding some honey at home, which I don't know a tablespoon of honey or a teaspoon of honey, how much grams of sugar that would be inside of that.
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Yeah, in the sense that you might be getting some additional nutrients and things like that. But even if it's refined sugar, I think if you're adding in a cube of sugar at home, it's completely different than you going to Starbucks and getting a ready-made syrup, which is going to have maybe 10 times as much sugar inside of it.
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So you adding it in at home is completely different than getting it outside of the house where who knows what other additives, chemicals, dyes, other things are included inside of it that also probably encourage the inflammation process.
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I want to pivot a little bit to the area that's like your deepest expertise and see if there's any connection. Is there any aspect of contrast therapy, hot and cold or cold therapy or sauna? Is there any process of that that you've seen or any research that you've come across? And if not research, anecdotal feedback. Have you seen that these therapies and modalities can impact how our skin ages?
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Any thoughts on that? Have you come across anything that, hey, cold can help with the look of our skin or hot can help with the look of our skin or contrast therapy? Anything that you've come across? This episode is brought to you by Lumebox. Red light therapy with Lumebox is a part of my daily practice.
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And it also seems that anything that helps your body sweat, working out, sauna, would be good for your skin.
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Steam.
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When you make a list of the top healthy habits, let's take diet out of the equation for a second. Let's look at things like, you know, and let's take diet and let's take getting great quality sleep, right? Because those are obviously, you know, super important things. But when you look at like, exercise, and all the different habits that might be out there that are available to people.
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You're in America right now with your husband. You guys are taking a little break, doing some podcasts and things like that. You've both been here many times before. What are the most shocking things when you come here and you're in the airport or you're visiting different parts of America or going to different restaurants?
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Where do you rank regular sauna use in terms of its impact in improving people's health? How do you put that and help people prioritize how much attention they should give regular sauna use?
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What are some of the most shocking things to somebody from Denmark or European when it comes to the level of process and added sugar? We're not talking about fruits, right? We're talking about added sugar. What are some of the things that have just blown your mind that Americans have on a regular basis that are part of their diets? It is shocking.
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You know, as I go deeper into learning about the benefits of sauna by reading people like yourself and seeing all your great videos, I'm just constantly blown away by how many things the sauna supports our health with, right? Detoxification, cardiovascular health, like so many different things. And I will tell my friends that I'll send them episodes or I'll send them one of your reels.
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And I'm at the stage of my life where a lot of my friends, we are focused on helping our parents live a healthier life. Oh, yeah. This past year, my mom turned 70. My dad turned 75. And for my mom in particular, you know, she's starting to get into the basics of resistance training. I was sharing this with you earlier. And it's a slow and steady process, which is fine.
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But at least we try to get her walking every day. And after seeing so much of the research that's out there, I'm like, okay, the days that you can't maybe get as much exercise in the week, I'm very lucky. She lives with my sister and brother-in-law and they have a sauna, a traditional sauna in their garage. Oh, fantastic.
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And I say, just go do the sauna for 10 minutes, 15 minutes, because it's basically the closest thing If you're not going to work out, which we obviously want everybody to work out, we want you at least to be getting your steps. But for me, from the outside, it seems to be the closest thing to getting some of the benefits of exercising that isn't exercise.
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6 Ways Your Diet is Making You Look Older + The Power of Sauna and Cold Therapy to Keep Your Body Young
Is that an accurate way to think about things?
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They don't have the same elasticity.
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Yeah, and I've been telling my friends and they're like, this is great because so many of them are like, I would love to see my parents. regularly resistance training. It's tough for them, especially if they're in the same sort of environment. We've interviewed an expert on habit change on this podcast previously. I've met him a couple of times, really sweet guy. His name is BJ Fogg.
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He's at Stanford and he's written about this whole methodology of tiny habits. And one of the things that he talks about is that the best way to get somebody to change their habits is you know, is actually taking them out of their existing environment. Oh, yeah. And being in a new environment, which is often not realistic for everybody.
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Yeah, you eat a lot of whole food diet.
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But I'm very lucky that right before the pandemic, my parents moved down to San Diego. They're down with my family over there. And just them being in a new environment, they were open to new habits that they previously were not open to. But that's not realistic for a lot of people. So some of these tougher things like zone two training or resistance training
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you know, I've had friends who have been honest and said, it's not working out. My parents are not doing it. Even if I've gotten a trainer, other stuff, it's difficult, which obviously it is difficult, especially if you don't have community support.
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But at least this idea that they can go to maybe the YMCA or they can go to maybe a friend's house who has a sauna and do a sauna maybe once or twice a week, there's going to be some amazing benefits. And not just to mention about, you know, skin and detoxification. If I understand correctly, and maybe you can share with the audience, the improvement in all-cause mortality is just incredible.
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Can you share some of that data?
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That's crazy.
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Better than any medication that's out there.
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Essentially, you found that your diet done the wrong way could make you look older than you need to look. Well, let's talk about one of the first things that you've talked about in your newsletter that can accelerate aging, which sometimes people and researchers called inflammation, right? So it's inflammation, it's aging you. in that process.
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The more you do sauna, the more you like to do sauna.
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6 Ways Your Diet is Making You Look Older + The Power of Sauna and Cold Therapy to Keep Your Body Young
I feel a rush. Like I get so excited to do sauna. I actually feel the same way with cold too, right? It's a little bit more challenging. Sometimes I understand with people with cold and we can talk about cold in a little bit, but you get addicted to that feeling.
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Yeah. So you're saying regulus on our use is also a great way to increase nitric oxide production in the body.
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Yeah. That's fantastic. We've had on this podcast, he actually lives in Los Angeles, Dr. Lou Ignaro. Are you familiar with his work at all? Lou Ignaro, he was one of the team that won a Nobel Prize for his work showing that nitric oxide was a vasodilator. Yes. And ultimately that led to a lot of different findings, including Viagra and other things like that.
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But he was the one as part of the team that figured this out, that it was this gas that is very short-lived, plays a huge role in our heart health, endothelium and other things. And some of my most viral episodes have been people asking about, well, what types of foods can we eat for nitric oxide or other things?
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And yes, there might be some things, some nitrates and beets and other stuff, things that you can be eating. And also maintaining good metabolic health is important, but also not enough people have talked about the role that sauna can play in a similar way just to like exercise. Sauna can help you increase your nitric oxide production is what I'm hearing from you.
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Powerful. You know, this episode could really be titled, you know, six ways that your diet can make you look older and infinite ways that sauna can keep you younger. Yes, exactly. You know, another area that a lot of people are concerned about, I'm sure you've seen this, is the amount of microplastics that are now in our environment. They're in our air.
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They're in our food system, primarily in ultra-processed foods. They're in our water systems, definitely here in the United States. We don't have, I don't know how it is in Europe, but I can't imagine that they have the technology yet to remove microplastics. One of the problems in the US is that everybody wears polyester clothing. Oh, yeah.
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polyester has microplastics inside of it when you wash it it ends up it goes down to the filtration we don't have the ability to remove those things we're good at removing bacteria we're not good at removing things like micro plastics and i'm sure you've seen these studies but microplastics have now been found in arterial plaque in the heart they've been found in the plaque there was an italian study that we covered previously with the my my cardiologist we talked about
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They're finding it in the major organ systems of the body, the brain. Really? They're even finding microplastic. Yes. They're finding it in testicles of men. No. Yes. You can literally look it up. Microplastic in my balls. Like it's a running joke that my friends have is like, hey, you better change your underwear. You don't want any microplastic in your balls.
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And time and time again, we've had some deep dives, some podcasts that you've been on, like Huberman, Huberman's podcast, big fan. And also individuals like Dr. Rhonda Patrick have talked about this, that, you know, right now, at least there's no great way that we know of to remove these microplastics. But one of the best ways is sauna, to slowly remove them from the organ systems.
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It would seem that it would contribute to that. Anything, well, I would ask you in a two-part question. Are you concerned about microplastics? And do you think that sauna could help us detoxify from some of these plastics in our environment and in our body?
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I don't know if there's any direct research, but that it seems to be, and we'll link to the two episodes, Dr. Andrew Huberman did a deep dive and Dr. Ronna Patrick, that it was like, hey, Any toxins we have in our body, we know that sauna is good at removing toxins in a gentle way, not flooding.
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Gentle in a general way so that the assumption would be that even if we don't have studies, that microplastics could also be falling in that category and that heat, in particular sauna, could potentially help us remove those.
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I don't think there's any research of somebody measuring that. But I do think, and we'll look it up after this and I'll put it inside of the show notes. Maybe you can look around and see.
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So maybe we'll look into it a little bit and we can let our audience know.
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Separately from sauna, are you concerned about some of these toxins that we're seeing in our environment and that we're all being exposed to? Is that something that you think about in your daily life?
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And it's a reminder that for most of us, there's really only a few things that we have to pay attention to. It can feel overwhelming because every week some new headline comes out about the way that our toxic environment is making us more sick. But I've really boiled it down to in my life just a few things. You've already covered a few of them.
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Number one is, of course, just minimizing your level of dependence on ultra-processed foods.
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Because the other thing that people don't realize is that separate from the ingredients that are in there, ultra processed foods are usually made in massive factories.
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Those factories have very complex machinery. Those machineries are sprayed down with different coating and other things that are quote unquote food safe, but have PFAs in them or have other sorts of chemicals, additives that don't even necessarily get labeled on the food that you're
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getting just because they're part of the manufacturing process they're maybe going through multiple stages of being exposed to different plastics that are there it could be heat that's exposed to plastic so just having ultra processed foods be minimized in your diet is a huge step yes the next things that are fairly pretty easy
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Yeah, it's kind of crazy. And one of the problems with processed food, of course, is that people who eat an ultra-processed diet consume on average about 500 to 1,000 calories more a day. So much of our obesity epidemic can be connected directly to that. You're just eating more calories. And so it's harder to lose weight over time.
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is there are a lot of great brands that are out there that people can get a good quality water filter. Ideally, not like a Brita filter, which is a very common brand here in the US that just really focuses on making the water taste better by removing chlorine. There's obviously plastics, PFAs, there's all sorts of things in water. And our
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piping system, especially here in America, is being degraded. People have heard like Flint, Michigan. Did you ever hear about Flint, Michigan? It's where they were having corrosive rocks that were going through the piping and it was exposing all these kids to lead in the water. Yeah. And it was a massive scandal.
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Because this one researcher, this Indian woman who was, I believe, a pediatrician, was seeing all these kids that were coming in with high levels of lead. And she was like, what the heck is going on? And she became a whistleblower. And she started saying that we have lead in our water, which at a very young age reduces the IQ of children. That's how damaging lead exposure can be.
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It permanently for the rest of your life can lower your IQ when you're exposed to lead at a very young age. It's not good at any age, but especially when you're young and the brain is developing. And the government tried to say that this wasn't an issue. She's fear mongering everything. She finally raised enough awareness that the local government had to relinquish their authority.
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The state got involved and they looked into it and they found out that she was correct. And they found that the city was getting its water from a different source. And because that was coming from the river, all the sedimentation that was coming with it was damaging the pipes and was unlocking lead in the water. It was a massive scandal. But anyways, the takeaway... from it.
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And there's been some activists, one in particular, Erin Brockovich. There's a movie made about her that Julia Roberts played in. She's basically saying that there are so many Flint, Michigan's around the US. We just don't know yet that our water is not as high quality. So you can get a pretty decent reverse osmosis filter at home. And I think that's a great recommendation for people.
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There's tons of brands that are out there.
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Usually it's under the sink or there's some that are countertop based. You can fill it with water. It has like a filtering process and then you have clean water. Obviously, if it's reverse osmosis, sometimes you might have to add some minerals back in. You know, you can do that a couple of times a week. So that's one thing that we can do. Of course, it costs money, but-
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In the long term, if you look at it, a filter is way more cheaper than buying bottled water, which obviously has plastics and other things inside of it. Another splurge you can do, especially in a city like LA where the air quality is not that great, is you can find an affordable HEPA filter for your home. Again, I'd rather spend money on that than spending money on, you know, some...
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But also the other big problem with processed and ultra-processed foods, which we're really talking about ultra-processed foods, is that you can hide all sorts of things in it that you would never use in your kitchen at home. And one of them, which is number two on your list, is this idea of trans fats and how trans fats in particular can be something that can accelerate aging in people.
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fancy toy or whatever it might be. And so even just having cleaner air at home, cleaner water you breathe, being mindful about the products that we put on our face. In the United States, there's a place, there's a nonprofit called EWG.
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It's called the Environmental Working Group, and they have an app on the phone where you can scan a product before you buy it, and it'll give you a ranking of how clean it is.
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Yeah, for a lot of beauty products. That's good. It's called the Skin Deep Database. It's a nonprofit that runs it. They do some incredible work. So just doing simple things like that. And then focus on your sleep, exercise. And if you can, try to go to a sauna every so often. Those basics are enough. Because you mentioned we're all going to be exposed to toxins.
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There's stuff that we can do.
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Oh, yes.
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Yeah, get rid of Teflon pans.
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Especially if they have a scratch on them.
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I've read some studies that we had Dr. Yvonne Burkhardt, who's a toxicologist, come on the podcast. She was saying one scratch in one study showed that a Teflon pan was leaching 10,000 nanoplastics inside of there. That's like crazy to think. Yeah. So what did you opt for? Did you go for stainless steel?
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That's a great, affordable, cheap thing.
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Or having symptoms.
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Yeah, no, that's a great lesson. Again, there's so many things that we could be doing, but if we all can just double down on the basics, that's all that's needed. You know, the goal of living a healthy life is not health for health sakes. It's that you have health, in my opinion, so that you can give love and attention to everything else that matters.
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Playing with your kids, playing with your grandkids one day. Yeah. And feeling like you have the strength to run around and chase them, you know, living a healthy life so you can start that new business or volunteer at your church or whatever it is.
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So while I love to look at new health information, because I also have a podcast and I get to interview great people like yourself, and I'm just passionate about it. When it comes to my daily life, I just focus on a lot of the basics because then I don't have to think about things too.
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And I can give attention to everything else. Yes, community is another great one.
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And if you eat a lot of processed foods, you'll get a lot of exposure to it.
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And In the United States, I'm not sure if you've heard about this, but there was some laws that were passed a while ago saying, okay, manufacturers, we're going to be banning trans fats. But the problem is, is it banned them up to a certain degree. They can have small amounts of trans fats still in the food, the ultra processed food, without even writing it on the label. Really?
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Your husband's smiling over there. He's saying, I'm glad I was mentioned as well, too, in addition to the dog. So I want to make a little bit of a hard right. We can't have the world's foremost expert in cold therapy and winter swimming here on the podcast without touching on it a little bit. And I'd like to start off with just reminding our audience, you know, we talked about sauna.
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What is the primary reasons that somebody would even want to consider, including cold exposure, which is a range, everything from cold plunging to winter swimming to cryotherapy to cold showers, right? We'll talk a little bit about those. Why should somebody consider having that a part of their protocol?
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It feels like you just took a shot of espresso.
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I didn't know that. So regularly, so there's, I'm not sure if you're familiar with this test, but there's, do you know the omega index test? So like it gives you breakdown of your fatty acids, three, six, nine, but they also, I used a company before, no affiliation, OmegaQuant. They give you a breakdown of your level of trans fats in your blood.
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So last time you were on the podcast, you did a deep dive on this. So we can link back to that if anybody's new to this subject. We're going to pick back up because since the last time that you've been on, there's been a lot of questions just out because cold exposure has become way more popular and you've been a Andrew Huberman and some of the incredible biohackers.
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I think you're gonna be on Kayla's podcast soon, Kayla Barnes. And so people have some questions because they've seen some mixed sort of thoughts about how to make sure that they include the benefits of cold without sacrificing something else. One of the number ones that I would love to start off with, it could be a myth, it could be truth, you're gonna tell us.
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is I've heard multiple people talk about that don't do cold right after a resistance training workout. Is there any truth to that? Is that a myth? What are your thoughts?
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And even somebody like me who doesn't eat ultra-processed foods, just from eating out and other places and things like that, I still had a tiny amount of trans fats that were shown in my blood. Where is this coming from and why are trans fats so damaging?
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It depends on your goals.
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So I'm not a bodybuilder, but I'm somebody at the age of when I turned 40, right before I turned 40, 39, I had my dear friend, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon come on the podcast. And she really helped me understand that, you know, I really needed to focus on building lean muscle mass. I grew up a skinny Indian vegetarian kid. Yeah.
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And I never really got so into working out because I felt like even when I would go hard and I played sports, I played tennis, soccer, and other things. So I was active. When I go hard in the gym for like about of like six weeks, I would see my friends at like 14, 15, they're putting on so much muscle and I'm like not putting on anything.
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And I didn't realize at the time, I'm just not eating enough protein, right? I might be working out, but you need the protein piece of it too, right? Especially for a growing young boy or young girl or anything like that. So now I'm trying to make up for that. So I'm not a bodybuilder, but I'm taking my strength training seriously.
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So what I'm doing in particular is I tend to work out in the afternoon around like two or three or four o'clock with my trainer, who's just down the street from here. And because I am trying to increase my muscle mass and he weighs me regularly and does my body composition. And then I get a dexacin a couple of times a year to see if I'm improving, which knock on what I am.
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I will usually do my cold exposure, cold plunge or cryotherapy earlier in the day. Yeah. I have a few hours. I get the benefit of it. I get to drink less coffee, less tea to kind of keep me up. And then I have my workout a little bit later on. So I get the best of both worlds.
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Nothing wrong with that.
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Great, great. Okay, great. We have a few more myths that we're going to tackle in and we're going to get your thoughts on them on the topic of cold exposure. So actually, before I go into my list, let me ask you, what is one of the you're active on social media, you see a lot of things that are going out there.
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What is one of the top myths that you've come across since you've put out your work that you see trending, especially on social media, that might need to be corrected a little bit when it comes to cold exposure? Any thoughts?
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So the longer you go through cold is better is the myth that's out there.
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Which could impact your HRV for the negative.
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Got it. Okay, great. That's awesome. Well, another one that goes along with it is colder is better. You see that when people get into cold exposure, they're like, oh, how cold did you go? Which again is a very American thing. The bravado, maybe guys are doing that more than girls, but it happens in general. So tell us why that's a myth.
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So it's just about having an appropriate challenge.
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That's there. I'm not going to lie. I do with my group of friends. You've met a couple of them last year at the dinner that we had in honor of your book launch. But we do like to challenge each other. We go to cryotherapy sometimes or cold plunge. And we'll like to say like, oh, it's more out of a sense of like, Hey, we haven't done this in a little while. So like... Encouraging. Encouraging.
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Yeah, it's encouraging. Yeah, yeah. But we're not like fixated on just going super long or going super cold. It's more just to... Nobody after having not been cold for some time, nobody loves the cold initially.
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So it's a little bit of a nudge to kind of push each other and have some accountability.
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That's great. We have a couple more here that we want to touch on as we're winding down on today's interview, which has been fantastic, by the way. Thank you. Another one is you need to be shivering after cold to get the benefits. Can we talk about that?
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And this is the idea that is a big issue more in our country, United States, probably than your country, Denmark. And it's the role of a high sugar intake in the diet. What is the role with sugar when it comes to accelerating aging and making us look older than we really should be looking?
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You're not going to be seeing it externally.
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Great. I have one more myth that I want to touch on. But before that, I actually had a question for you of something that I was interested in. We've done a few episodes on the dangers of visceral fat and how as we age, if we don't watch our ultra processed foods, if we're drinking a lot of alcohol, liquid calories, our visceral fat is going to increase. And that's extremely damaging to our body.
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Is there any evidence or anything that you've come across where cold exposure can help with the reduction of visceral fat inside of the body?
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The research is not there yet.
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Great. All right, the last myth that we want to touch on, which is huge for my audience, because there's a lot of different people that are maybe sharing this on social media, is the idea of women should not cold plunge. That's a myth that I see out there often, where I guess I'm asking you. Yeah.
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not just as a researcher, but as a woman, what are your thoughts when you hear people saying things like that?
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It's such an important message because I think more now than ever, we're spending so much money on all these beauty products as a global society. But there's not that much conversation about how our diet makes our skin look healthy. Or in this case, also, we're talking about how it makes our skin look unhealthy.
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In their reproductive years.
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That's great. That's fantastic advice. Like a lot of things, it's personalizing it.
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So I think this is an important conversation, especially for young people to know that it's not about the super expensive products. Nothing wrong with getting a good quality moisturizer, but that really taking care of your body from the inside out will affect your appearance as well too, in addition to just making you healthier.
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And a lot of people don't even have good interoception to even know necessarily.
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Or always listen, but that doesn't mean that your interpretation is the correct interpretation.
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You know, what it reminds me of a little bit when I hear the blanket advice that women should not cold plunge or they should not do this, not do that. For a long time, they told women in society like, don't lift weights, you're gonna get bulky.
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Or the modern version of it is, and I've even had some people on this podcast that have said this before, and they mean well, they're just not educated on it, but they would say women in particular should be careful about resistance training and lifting heavy weights or doing like a HIIT workout because these intense workouts increase cortisol. And they would just leave it at that.
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And they would say cortisol is the biggest driver of belly fat. And yes, as I looked into it and talked to it, a couple more people that who are truly subject matter expertise. Yes, there is a connection between cortisol and belly fat, but there's all these other things that you get from working out that completely counteract that. Yes, exactly.
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It's not as simple as don't work out because you're going to have high cortisol and that's going to lead to belly fat. That's not true. That's not true. You're missing out on all these benefits that are there. And so same thing when we blanketly say, oh, women are so... Again, I think it's well-intentioned, but people are maybe speaking from a place of not fully being aware.
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It's kind of like, oh, women are so fragile. Don't do anything to stress yourself out during this period. And it's like... Women are literally bringing babies into this world. I was just going to say that. I think that they're not as fragile as we think they are. I think they can handle some stressors that are there. And yes, don't overdo anything, guy or girl, because that can impact your HRV.
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Too much of anything can be a bad thing that's there. So don't be about it. But women are not these dainty creatures that need absolute protection from the stressors of life that can come with good benefit.
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Well, when we do know in the future, we'll have you back on the podcast to discuss about that too. Uh, Susanna, this has been great. It's been awesome to have you back for round two, to talk about some new things that we haven't talked about before, but also go a little bit deeper into some of the stuff that we have talked about.
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You know, when I look at your work from the outside, you've been part of this incredible trend where I see for my friends that especially have kids that are around like the teenage years. It's like cool to be healthy. They're like actually interested. And I know I live in a bubble a little bit being in Los Angeles, but they're into sauna and cold plunge and people want to eat healthier.
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And there's just a growing awareness of individuals saying like, hey, our body is a temple. We want to take care of it. And sometimes the best way to take care of it is we've got to kick ourselves in the butt a little bit. We've got to challenge ourselves with some healthy stresses that are there. So I super appreciate your work.
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I also appreciate the fact that you do research, but you're also an educator. Your social media is a great source for people. You also have a newsletter, which people can sign up to. We have the link below. If you want to just mention, it's on Substack, I believe.
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People can sign up for that.
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And I believe you mentioned, and if we can't talk about this, we can cut this out, that you have a second book that's going to be translated into English.
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So sometime next year?
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2025?
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Okay, great. Well, we'll add it into the show notes when we have it. So thank you so much for coming back on the podcast and sharing your knowledge with the audience.
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We're going down a list. We've already covered the first three big ideas as a part of that list. The first component was the role of inflammation as a whole. And then you talked about a high sugar diet. We also talked about the role of ultra processed food and trans fats. And now you've mentioned this a couple of times. So now we'll go into it. Talk to us about inadequate protein intake.
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6 Ways Your Diet is Making You Look Older + The Power of Sauna and Cold Therapy to Keep Your Body Young
That was number four on your list. How is inadequate protein intake, not having enough protein in the diet, how does that play a role in making us look older than we should, quote unquote, be looking?
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6 Ways Your Diet is Making You Look Older + The Power of Sauna and Cold Therapy to Keep Your Body Young
There's been this whole emphasis... in the last couple of years of a lot of incredible people talking about how men and especially women need more protein in their diet. You know, for a long time in the US, there was a sort of movement for a plant-based diet and people were talking about that and it was connected to the environment and they thought it was healthier and longevity.
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And then more recently, there's been people talking about if you want to age well and be strong longer, you need healthy, lean mass. And I think the statistic is above the age of 40, you can lose, I think per year, you can lose like three to 4% of your lean muscle mass if you're not exercising, eating adequate amount of protein.
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6 Ways Your Diet is Making You Look Older + The Power of Sauna and Cold Therapy to Keep Your Body Young
I'll fact check that I might've gotten the numbers wrong, but basically your lean muscle mass, which we want to protect, goes down and down and down and down. So some of the experts that are out there have even been recommending that a good target for people is a gram of protein per your ideal target lean mass. lean body weight that is there.
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
Hi everyone, Drew Prote here, and today we're taking a deep dive into the most important area that often gets completely overlooked when it comes to your health, your mouth. When it comes to the topic of oral health, it isn't just about cavities or clean teeth or bad breath. It's about how the health of your mouth mirrors and is a leading indicator for the health of your entire body.
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What do you know about?
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Are there themes that you can take from different patients to sort of rank and order what you're seeing modern? Let's start off with adults and then we'll talk about kids because I know you have a lot of expertise there.
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If you had to rank diet, mouth breathing, oral microbiome, if you had to rank all these different factors that contribute to poor oral health, which can contribute to poor overall health, if you had to rank them in order, to your best degree, which we know is generalizing and every patient is different, their unique circumstances are different.
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What would you say would be number one, two, three, and so on? All right, I got a question for you. What if you could track your food, sleep, exercise, blood sugar, and key biomarkers all in one place? Well, I have good news for you. With the Levels app, this is not only possible, it's actually needed if we're gonna fix our broken healthcare system.
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You want to hear something pretty shocking that I learned from the Levels founder, Josh Clemente, recently on this podcast, is that there are so many people who are unhealthy and they don't even know that they're unhealthy. This is where the Levels app comes in. We have over half of US adults that have prediabetes or diabetes. And just these two conditions alone set the stage for things like
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Alzheimer's, heart disease, and even cancer. That's why it's so important to use technology, things like the Levels app to stay on top of your metabolic health and stay on top of all your biomarkers and your exercise and your sleep and the tracking of your food. I've had to use a bunch of different apps to do this. Now with the Levels app, I can do this all in one place.
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I can track my metrics, my macros, my habits, and my glucose levels from a continuous glucose monitor. And now with their new features, you can even track step count, sleep, and more to understand how your daily habits shape your health. Plus, you can get labs directly through the Levels app.
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Or if you have your own blood work, you can upload it to track 10 key biomarkers and see the full picture of your metabolic health over time. And this is huge because there are key actions that you can take to improve it. For example, when Josh was on this podcast, he mentioned that even a 15-minute walk after meals can dramatically improve glucose control.
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And with Levels, you can see these effects in real time. Right now, if you're interested in this, the app that tracks it all in one place, Levels is offering my listeners two free months of their annual membership when you sign up through my link, levels.link slash dhr. I don't know how long this offer will last.
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So if you've been thinking about learning more about your metabolic health and tracking all of your metrics in one place, now is the time to get started. Just go to levels.link, levels.link slash DHRU to get two free months of their annual membership today.
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Secondarily, do you want to mention any names?
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Would you say that it's the same thing for kids? Is that order the same thing? It doesn't matter whether it's for adults or kids, it's the same thing?
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You know, I want to go back to diet for a second. You know, you talked about It's not that rice and carbs and pastas are bad foods. It's the frequency and somebody building their entire sort of diet landscape around these. You were calling it sort of a high carb diet. diet.
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
So if you had to, what would you say are, you know, we've talked about foods, but also a lot of my audience is wondering drinks wise. You mentioned something else. You mentioned baking soda. How is that incorporated? Are you using it daily? Some people use baking soda instead of, you know, toothpaste. So talk about how you use it.
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And if there's any corrections that you want to make out there to how you see sometimes people, you know, using it.
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I'm going to give you guys a shout out. You guys have a fantastic toothpaste. Cause I know you're not going to mention it now. You'll probably just mention at the end, but people are listening now. So I'm going to mention it. It's called F Y G G feed your good guys. I'm not affiliated in any other way than just I'm using it. I love it. And so I want to give you guys a shout out.
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So that's a toothpaste that's made out of hydroxy appetite. And just a quick little mention. You guys are focused also, because now seeing this product on the market a little bit more, you're focused on making this more similar to saliva and taking out a lot of the bad ingredients, emulsifiers, et cetera, things like that, that could be potentially harmful for the oral microbiome.
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Did I get that right?
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
A couple of quick questions on hydroxyapatite. We wrote a newsletter long ago about this before you guys had launched your product, just talking about how I shared my own end of one experience, which was when I was feeling a lot of gum sensitivity because I started having some recession, which I learned from my biological functional dentist, Dr. Roshian here in LA. I love her.
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She was telling me I had a lot of recession on my left teeth, in my lower left teeth. She was like, you're right dominant hand and you're just, you're brushing too hard. You need to switch to an electric toothbrush. And
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and then also let's like you know get you off of like some other things as well and then i naturally came across like hydroxyapatite so i started using that and my anecdote that i had shared with my audience was i noticed my teeth sensitivity in my lower left area like if i drink coffee or cold things anything on extreme temperature when i started using hydroxyapatite like that went away pretty much completely
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And I ran out and we went traveling. My wife and I were traveling for like a month or two and I didn't have the toothpaste available to me. It wasn't easy to get where we were at in Europe and stuff a couple of years ago. And I remember that gum sensitivity coming back and I was like, oh man, this is so weird. And I came back and I went back to use my toothpaste and it went away again.
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And I was like, okay, I think there's like something definitely there for me. And I wrote about that experience. So how is it that hydroxyapatite helps with sensitivity that sometimes people feel with their teeth.
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So another follow-up on that, you mentioned sourcing and being mindful of it. You actually had a really interesting gentleman. I think his name was Ryan Nolan. You guys did an Instagram Live?
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And I kind of went down the rabbit hole of looking at his content. I thought you guys did one on xylitol and all the research around xylitol. I thought it was very fascinating. It echoes a lot of the same things you said here, that xylitol can be an appropriate part of
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you know, a hack, a natural quote unquote remedy, chewing some xylitol gum after like a higher carbohydrate meal, or just as a way to like dislodge and returning the oral microbiome to like a healthier state, et cetera. And the type of, it's not sugars, but the type of
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uh compounds inside of it don't feed the bad bacteria i think that they inhibit bacterial proliferation so they they inhibit it they inhibit the biofilm from forming essentially got it yeah so another video separate from xylitol that ryan made that i marked down as a question to ask you is that he said hey listen some nano hydroxyapatite you got to be careful where it's sourced from because there can be some heavy metals associated with this i
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That's the first that I'd heard about this. Have you heard about this? And what's the skinny that our audience should know about it?
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A couple of things you mentioned that I just want to get a chance to tease out, right? Do you feel comfortable making any recommendations of where you want people at home? Again, check with your doctor and your practitioner. But where should they be shooting for when it comes to their vitamin D? Because you mentioned vitamin D, vitamin K2, very important for teeth health.
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and our dental health overall. So where do you like to see those numbers or what have you heard, if you feel comfortable mentioning to our audience?
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Everything from heart disease to brain health to immune function to digestion, it all actually starts in the mouth. And in today's compilation episode, I talk with two leaders in the space of functional dentistry. Dr. Stacey Whitman, and Dr. Mark Burhenne about how the oral microbiome plays a critical role in true health and longevity.
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Yeah, I grew up vegetarian. I had super poor dental health and I was on braces and I was getting cavities all the time and just the whole nine yards. And obviously at that time, I'm just turned 42. There wasn't as much of awareness as there is now. I'm no longer, as my audience knows, I'm not vegetarian or vegan, but I think at least there's a lot more tools and resources.
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But it's still, unfortunately, something that you still see pretty commonly, even for people who are semi-educated. So again, we're not advocating for one thing or another, but buyer beware.
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The health of your mouth goes beyond disease prevention. It's actually hugely impactful to overall longevity. I talk about this in my conversation with Dr. Mark Berhena, and we also get into the topics of root canals, which are a super controversial topic.
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Dr. Berhena breaks down why they're necessary at times they can be, when they can do more harm than good because they can, and what you need to know about avoiding irreversible damage. Let's listen in. How is our oral health and our dental health connected to longevity? Can you break it down? Give us a few top line things.
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I mentioned to you that I had a video go just gangbusters viral with my dentist, who we've mentioned multiple times, Dr. Rosita Rastian. Rue Canal. And it was on Rue Canals. And it was talking about the fact that there is, like all interventions, there's a cost-benefit analysis.
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And when it comes to root canals, this dentist, my own dentist, the dentist for my mom as well too, my sisters, we've been going to her now for almost 10 years since we've been in Los Angeles. There is advocacy work that she's doing to help people understand that a root canal is just not a benign thing that you just do and has no consequences that are there. And people should be informed.
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So first of all, You know a lot about this space. Can you just recap to the audience about why people might want to be, you know, having a double take when it comes to root canals? Not that it can't be used because there are situations where you have to bring it in.
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But what is it about root canals that are potentially something that we should be a little bit concerned about before jumping right into it?
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They can cause leaking internally of bacteria into your body.
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You're leaving infected tissue behind, and over time- Yeah, you really have to properly make sure that nothing is left in, because just so people understand, a tooth is dead or is dying. you need to basically remove it, including the roots. But you got to make sure that that sort of cavitation, that little hole, that there's nothing left.
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Because if there is something left, it can basically attract bacteria, it can become infected, and that can cause all sorts of problems. We actually had...
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you know a friend of mine many years ago that her multiple chemical sensitivity and some of her pots like syndrome that she was dealing with ultimately after working with a group of functional medicine doctors and trying so many different things lime mold this that
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was connected back to a root canal that was massively infected because there was still some flesh that was left in, and she had to go to a cavitation expert who then took it all out, opened it up, and disinfected it with ozone. And I didn't even know that that was a thing, that this could even be possible. So really, it's the awareness you're saying is that sometimes root canals have to happen
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Would you say that they're generally, in our world today, are they over-prescribed? Like there's over... They can be.
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Is that common? Does that happen?
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There are dental sort of financial incentives in there.
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take advantage of you like that but they're gonna do their change because you're in pain right i mean private equity is is that many of them feel what what percentage of dentists have you had to guess right that are that properly know how to do a root canal that that that are in the larger category because pretty much every single dentist will do the root canals themselves
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So they'll refer you out.
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And going back to the recommendations you shared earlier, another reason that people end up having cracked teeth that can lead to a root canal is grinding.
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Grinding of the mouth with which over time taping can help with that.
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And some of the other components of just having good oral health.
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You know, as a functional dentist and someone who's looking at root causes that are contributing to these, what are some of the root causes when it comes to some of the words that you mentioned? So let's start off with one of the basics, plaque buildup.
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And obviously the other alternative, which a lot of people don't want to do, is you have to replace that tooth. Exactly.
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Mark, this has been fantastic. You've given us so many recommendations. We've had a nice healthy back and forth on dietary approaches, which was great. You walked my audience and me through my bristle health test results, a nice direct to consumer test that people can find and have access to if they want to look at the health of their oral microbiome.
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And you gave some practical solutions to help us not only take care of our teeth, which we need our teeth into our old age to chew, to have good
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gut health to have all these different aspects but also preserve our oral microbiome because a healthy mouth and healthy teeth is directly tied to longevity and you've made that super clear i want to thank you for breaking all that down on today's episode it's always such a pleasure to chat with you and i also recommend to people we've done a few other podcasts together.
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We did one where we highly focused on mouth taping, which we'll link to in the show notes. And we also did one where we talked about fluoride in particular and the dangers, especially around kids with fluoride that we'll link to as well.
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Before we go into your world and we talk about the different things that you have going on that people can keep in touch with, any final and lasting messages for our audience?
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That happens over a period of time. You go to your dentist and they say that you have a ton of plaque or they're accusing you of not flossing, which some of you should be flossing. You're not flossing enough. Yes. What are some of the root causes of that? This episode is sponsored by Element.
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The mouth is about so much more than just where digestion starts. And doubling down on your oral health is incredibly important for optimizing your health and longevity. In fact, it could play a huge role and the key to unlocking better health for decades to come. And the best part is that it doesn't have to be complicated.
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With the right information, the right daily habits, there are so many simple tips and tools to support your oral health. If you like today's episode and want to go a little deeper, I go even deeper on these topics with my full-length conversations with Dr. Stacey Whitman and Dr. Mark Brehena. You can find those links to the episodes in the show notes below.
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Please also consider sharing today's episode with a friend. Do you know a friend who's thinking about improving their oral health or has talked to you about how the connection of the oral health and oral microbiome relates to other diseases like Alzheimer's disease? Well, I bet they're going to geek out on today's episodes. As always, thank you for tuning in. Drew Perrault signing off.
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Dhru Purohit Show
Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
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Dhru Purohit Show
Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
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Dhru Purohit Show
Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
We discuss the root causes of oral dysbiosis, what throws your mouth out of balance, and how that impacts everything from your gut to your brain. We also cover why plaque, cavities, and gum disease aren't just caused by poor brushing or excess sugar. There's a few other things that cause them that we talk about today.
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
And most importantly, we talk about how your diet can actually help remineralize your teeth and why some popular oral health products might be doing more harm than good.
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
Let's listen in first to my conversation with Dr. Stacey Whitman as she highlights how the mouth offers critical insights into your whole body health and shares simple tips to support your oral health and protect against chronic disease. Tell us at our audience about some of the ways that our oral health is connected to other aspects of our health, especially certain incidents of chronic disease.
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
You know, you mentioned cavities and all those things you talked about. Those all, I'm assuming, contribute to cavities. And the question that I got from my audience was, okay, so if those are contributing to cavities, are there any things that I can do naturally to reverse cavities and, of course, prevent them from happening in the future?
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Oral Dysbiosis is Driving Disease, Popular Oral Care Products You Should Throw in the Trash, and How Your Diet Can Help Remineralize Your Teeth
So I know you work a lot with kids, but let's say you have an adult coming into your office or at some point in time that you've experienced and you see that they have gum recession and they keep on getting cavities and they keep on having plaque buildup that's there. From all those things, what can you tell us about their diet, either what they're eating or what they're not eating?
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
Hi everyone, Drew Proat here. It's no secret that we're exposed to many toxins in our daily lives that are negatively impacting our health and our children's health in particular in a myriad of ways. In fact, 80,000 toxic chemicals have been released into our environment since the dawn of the industrial revolution.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
The idea of toxic load is so important when it comes to how we think about how to protect our health and the health of our children. This is because it's the cumulative effect of toxic exposure that leads to so many conditions and diseases that we're seeing today.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
I mean that in a complimentary way. It's a study that everybody should know about.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
You know, we have a toxicologist on this podcast. Really love her work. We'll link to her in the show notes, along with your book and your social media. Her name is Dr. Yvonne Burkhart. And one of the things she was saying is that as somebody who worked in the industry, coming up with flavoring and different chemicals and additives that get placed into food and fragrances,
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
is that even when in the rare instance you get some safety studies on exposure to a certain toxin, it says, okay, this level of BPA is toxic, but at this level, it's okay, right? And so I don't know if CanSoup, if they're testing the levels, if they're not, let's give the benefit of the doubt and say they are.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
And that they looked at the BPA level from soup exposure and they said, look, it doesn't seem to be causing anything. Okay, let's give the benefit of the doubt. But the study that nobody's doing is looking at an average household and looking at all the exposure from all the products that they're having over... years and decades, a lifetime.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
And then on top of that, looking at the crossing of those different chemicals and how they might be interacting with each other. Now, we're most likely not going to be able to do that study. That'd be a very difficult thing to do. But part of what you've been advocating in the book and what you teach your patients is that if
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
If you don't want to end up getting sick, or if you want to reduce your chances as a family of developing neurological issues, diabetes, all sorts of chronic issues that are out there, you have to take a precautionary approach. assume that a lot of this stuff is most likely not good for you. And how do we know?
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
Well, we're looking at society where a lot of people are ending up with a lot of chronic disease and they're living a normal life. So in a way, we got to be a little bit weird with ourselves and with our family if we don't want to end up being normal.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
And only very few of those chemicals have been tested for their long-term impact on human health. And definitely the vast majority have not been tested for their impact together on human health. But we can't freak out about this. There are many steps, simple steps that we can take every single day to minimize the effects of our toxic exposure to protect and heal the health of our families.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
What's an example in terms of priority? Because the one thing that you don't want to do and that you make a good attempt on, and the thing that we try to do on this podcast is the longer the list of things we tell people not to do, the more likely that people are going to throw their hands up in the air and say, okay, I get it. Everything's going to f***ing kill me.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
So I just got to live my life, right? So if you had to have prioritization, we talked about food a little bit, getting away from ultra-processed food, minimizing that, focusing on fresh foods, minimizing sugar. It doesn't mean you shouldn't be eating sugar, healthy treats at home, things that you can be making, even stuff that you buy, but limiting that exposure.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
I asked Dr. Robert Lustig, who's one expert in this space, and I think that he said there's no upper limit in terms of nutritional facts and nutritional labels in terms of sugar. But I thought he said that that adults shouldn't be having more than 20 grams of added sugar in their diet.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
And I think for kids, it's like 10 to 15, which if you look at most things that kids are eating in one to two servings, they're, they're above that limit of added sugar. We're not talking about fruit. We're not talking about things that have healthy levels of fiber inside of it. There's sugar in everything. There's the sugar in Sugar is carbohydrates.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
There's carbohydrates in vegetables, et cetera, sweet potatoes. Anything that you're going to eat is going to have it. We're talking about added sugar. I'll look that up and I'll fact check and I'll put inside of the show notes if that's accurate.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
So we don't want to tell people that they have to be perfect, but we want to give limits, recommendations, and boundaries of things that people should be paying attention to. So when it comes to chemicals, is there a top one, two, three, four things that you feel from your clinical experience or reading the research that these seem to be big drivers of chronic exposure to chemicals?
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
And if I can get a family to prioritize these one, two, three, four, five things and At least I know I'm taking care of the big culprits. Is there anything like that in the category of chemicals? Yeah.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
Would you add people getting a good quality water filter to their home?
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
Would that make your top five?
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
Is there anything that you guys do in your home, something maybe more recently that you kind of really go out of your way as a family to avoid or minimize? And maybe the research is not settled on this, but you anecdotally, or not even anecdotally, from your clinical experience or your gut intuition, you kind of feel like this is going to be a big deal.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
So you as your family, again, you're not recommending it to everybody. You're not telling your patients to do it. But you guys as a family go out of your way to really avoid this particular thing. Is there anything like that?
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
This is something super controversial. That shouldn't be. At least we can have the debate. At least we can have the conversation. I appreciate you having the conversation today.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
So just a little recap, we're living in this incredibly toxic soup that's contributing disease and yet we're all acting like everything that's out there has been studied long-term and been approved by all the agencies that have oversight instead of the fact that a lot of stuff, a lot of chemicals were actually grandfathered in based on these rules that were passed in sort of Congress.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
And even though it would take a magnificent effort for the government to solve the problem, the takeaway is that families have to have a precautionary approach, at least with the main contributors to these toxins that are there. You mentioned a few, minimizing our total level of added sugar inside of the body, how that can be a toxin to the body, especially for our mitochondria.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
And a lot of kids, especially on the autism spectrum, I think it was Suzanne Goh who has been on the podcast. She was, and her lab was the original work that found that 80% of kids that are on the spectrum, 80% of them have mitochondrial dysfunction.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
It was a theory, but then it was proven by her work and her team that that was part of the original lab that she was at, which I believe it was at Harvard that was doing the work.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
So sugars, food additives, dyes, things that are often banned in other countries because there's some emerging research or there's a lot of questions, takes a little bit of extra effort and energy, but it's worth it to protect your family. Get clean water, clean air if you can get a chance to do that.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
And number four, anything actually you want to say about that topic of toxic soup that's contributing disease before we go into number four? Yeah.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
Can I ask a quick question on that topic? Anything that people can do, pregnant women, or if you have young kids, and you mentioned that some of the kids that come in, you test them, they have high levels of metals. you know, some of this is in the soil, but is there anything that you recommend to people that are the big contributors to having high levels of heavy metals inside the body?
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
I mean, it's, you're not going to just want to toss it on the rice thing. Cause I've been tracking that for a little while. It seems to be that there are higher levels of arsenic in rice than But the big concern is and I still have white rice here and there. The big concern really was any kind of product that is using rice as a protein, like you have concentrated rice, you have concentrated
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
like granulized rice that's being used as a carbohydrate source for snack foods, et cetera. And, you know, you could probably ask if there's a, you know, kids eat the same stuff. They eat the same snack. They like this one snack. They're going to eat this thing all the time. You can reach out to the company and ask them, do they have any heavy metal testing?
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
If it is rice that's out there, I don't want people to freak out about, you know, whole grain, sorry, not whole grain rice, but like typical white rice that's there, which does have elevated levels of
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
compared to years in the past but it seemed to me the biggest concern was like there was this big trend of people using rice as protein powder right so they were using rice brown rice powder as the protein powder and that concentration that seemed to be a problematic thing of the level of arsenic that was there i'm by no means an expert on it but i was tracking that and it seemed to be the concentrated source but again you can ask the companies
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
If there's certain products that your kids like to use on a regular basis, because their bodies don't, they're not as big as ours. So if they have half the concentration as you, but their body is a third smaller or a fourth smaller or a fifth smaller, it's going to be having a bigger toll on them.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
This is a good opportunity to talk about something that you chat about in the book, and it's an acronym. It's called SEEDS. And I want to go through it because Yes, we do have a toxic environment that's out there and how we live our life makes us so much more resilient. You and I both were exposed to hundreds of toxins starting our day off today. We're doing okay.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
We're going to continue and we're doing our best. So for families, remind them, walk them through SEEDS. And just how important it is to just dial in a couple of areas. And this is where we're really having families, you know, in your message, in your book.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
Again, the book is out, it's going to be out on August, August 6th, Parenting at Your Child's Pace, An Integrative Pediatrician's Guide to the First Three Years. But it's really about just more than that. It's about sort of how to really create this as a lifestyle for you and your family. Or maybe you want to have a family one day like I do, my wife and I.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
There's a lot of things that are out there that we can worry about. And some of those things, we have to decide what are going to be majors and what are going to be minors. And then there are the majors, the things that deserve the most amount of attention. And you put them together in this acronym called SEEDS. So walk us through that. The first S in SEEDS stands for? Stress.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
What do you want to say about stress?
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
overly stressed about everything or overly stressed what's going on so creating an environment at home where it's not you're going to always have little acute stresses being a kid is stressful being a parent is stressful but you're talking about doing your best to eliminate the chronic stress especially that your kids can feel and that's probably a whole topic for like
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
parenting books, the generational approaches to parenting, not overscheduling kids, not being helicopter parents, you know, that's beyond the scope of this conversation here, but
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
there is a lot of utility to creating an environment where that allows kids to be kids and not have to deal with the chronic stresses of life stresses of life really important that we take care of some of our stress for ourselves i think that's really important again we don't think about ourselves we don't put ourselves in that equation but parenting
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
Okay, so the other E that we didn't talk about, which is huge because kids today are living an extremely sedentary lifestyle. And the lower you go on the economic totem pole, unfortunately, you have a massive overconsumption of calories.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
So you have a sedentary lifestyle and you have a ton of extra calories that kids are eating as well too, which are contributing to the chronic rates of obesity that we're seeing in even kids. What do you want to say about exercise and how important it is?
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
I love it. We talked a lot about diet. That's the D in seeds, seeds plural. Let's talk about sleep. What do you want to say about sleep? And again, these are the majors. There's going to be so many things that parents and individuals can do, but these are the things you get these things right. you're doing better than 95, 99% of the population who's struggling with even just the basics.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
So let's talk about sleep.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
That's great. Personally, I'm very passionate about doing everything I can to minimize my own toxic exposure. But I hope that you're walking away from today's episode feeling like the goal here is not to be perfect and not to live in a toxic-free bubble. That's just not going to happen.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
Rather, the goal is to reduce our toxic exposure as much as possible by focusing on the things that have the biggest bang for their buck and time invested. And the simple things that we can do for ourselves and our children can go a long way.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
We can do that by supporting our gut microbiome, being mindful of the products that we choose and what we use in our household, paying attention to what's in our food and eating a diverse diet, prioritizing our connection to nature, moving our bodies, getting quality sleep, and most importantly, having a positive mindset.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
As a society, it's not hyperbole to say that our children's health is in danger. And issues such as allergies, ADHD, autism, autoimmune diseases, type 2 diabetes, and so on are becoming more and more normal. But we have the power to make change and protect not only ourself, not only our families, but our communities through all the small decisions we make every day.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
If you found this episode helpful, do me a favor, share this episode with a friend. And if you want to hear my full length interviews with Beth and also Dr. Warsh, you can find those links in the episode show notes. Until next time, thanks for tuning in.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
So on today's episode, I talk with two experts on how to do exactly that. First up, we have Beth Lambert. She's an author, educator, nonprofit director, and former healthcare consultant. She's also the founder and executive director of Documenting Hope, a 501c3 nonprofit organization focusing on root cause healing solutions for children's chronic health and developmental issues.
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animals every kid in any chronic condition they're dealing with or any symptoms they're dealing with every kid is a little bit different but there are themes across the board that are there you went through a bunch of different categories of your lives but for a lot of these documentation of reversal no evidence of disease healing that you've seen for the families if you had a rank in order what are like number one biggest contributors number two number three and the context for this question is that i was born in 82.
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And I had a pretty diet growing up minus dinner. Dinner was always like a home cooked meal. I was under protein because we grew up vegetarian, but it was always like a good, you know, healthy vegetarian Indian meal at home that was made from scratch. Um, And a lot of my friends too, like, you know, they all had pretty diets and were drinking Coca-Cola a lot and other stuff and things like that.
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And so we had a lot of processed food growing up, but it seems something different in this more recent generation of kids that there was like a switch that happened where all of a sudden it's like, Yes, I used to get sick a lot as a kid. I would get, I had like strep throat and bronchitis and other stuff every time it was like cold season, flu season.
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How to Minimize Toxic Exposure to Keep Our Children and Ourselves Healthy
But I wasn't dealing with anything more major than that, maybe upset stomach here and there. So something seems like it's kind of gotten more aggressive. Is it environmental toxins? You know, is it, what has been that lever and have you heard that from other people? As the winter chill sets in, there's nothing better than curling up in ultimate comfort.
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
Dr. Sarah Hill, you have a pretty wild story. Around the time your youngest child was around two years old, you stopped taking hormonal birth control. And at that point in time, for what I understand, you had been on the pill for about 10, 11 years. And when you stopped taking it, you noticed some pretty shocking changes. I'm going to hand it over to you. Can you pick up the story from there?
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A lot of women that are right around the age of my wife, so many stories, you know, mid to late 30s, they were put on birth control for period problems. Is that still as common of a practice today from your understanding? And is that also... something that, you know, again, doctors are just trying to do right by their patient, find them a solution.
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You have such little time with the patient that's there. But then there's this whole other educational component about how does lifestyle, working out, our mood, etc. How do all those things impact, you know, super problematic periods? So how common is that today? And what would you like to see change or not change in that category?
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Right.
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Let's come back to the beginning of the interview where you were talking about your journey and your story, and you were explaining all these changes that you started to notice that were pretty shocking to yourself, that you were interested more in cooking and you're paying attention to, you know, different type of features in men or even attractive men that you weren't looking at previously.
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
Your preference in music was changing. So the book is called, this is your brain on birth control. So tell us a little bit about what's actually going on in the brain. when you are on birth control and then when you're off birth control, why would somebody notice these and many other changes?
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
So we're going to unpack all that and we're going to jump around a little bit, but I want to start off with a topic that I know is something that you are very fascinated about. And I've seen people interview you and your own community and your Instagram comments.
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A lot of women in my age group that are listening to my podcast, who are in, let's say like the 40 to 60 age group, many of them are wondering why. that they started birth control early in their adolescence. And they're wondering, has that had any sort of lasting impact on their personality, on their brain, and maybe even some of the chronic conditions that they're dealing with?
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
Have you seen some of these viral articles and videos where women have said things like, being on the pill made me marry the wrong person?
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
Is there any truth to that?
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What do you know about that topic?
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
You had a great interview with Tammy Peterson. I kind of talked about it a little bit earlier, and one of the topics that came up inside of there is, We already know that women are the vast majority of autoimmune conditions that are out there right now, diagnoses that are there. I think it's upwards of 80% is women.
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
On top of that, we've had experts on our podcast like Dr. Lisa Moscone, who's studying the changing brain of women as they age. and its role in things like Alzheimer's, women are two times more likely. You know, there is this tendency to want to see, did something that I do or was something that I exposed to earlier have any impact on the condition that I'm going through right now?
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
If there are individuals that are thinking, hey, Did my autoimmunity, which generally a lot of autoimmune conditions start for women when they're younger in a particular age range, if you take things like MS, I think the classic sort of age range for that is younger women that are in their 20s when they first start to have in their later 20s when these conditions have. And people thinking about
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
Being on birth control around that time period. For anybody who's looking for, hey, I know there's not a lot of research that's on this, but I'm trying to even see, are there connections? What should I be thinking about? What should I be exploring? Is there anything that you would want to share with those individuals?
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
You know, autoimmune is so multifactorial. And obviously, there's a bunch of different diseases within that category of autoimmune. But for the person that's listening today that says, hey, listen, we've had some history of autoimmune in our family, whether it's a guy or girl that's listening.
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
And, you know, we have a young daughter or granddaughter who might be coming up on that age where, you know, a physician, whether they're sexually active, whether they have problematic periods, might be suggesting to them or parents having a conversation about autoimmune. is birth control right for you? I mean, there's so few physicians that are maybe aware of this connection.
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What would you recommend to the family that is looking for, how do we balance this out? Not necessarily a decision, but how do they weigh it? How do they think about it for themselves as a family? What resources could be there so that they can make the right decision?
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So they don't end up putting their young, you know, daughter, granddaughter in a situation that they don't feel like is the full informed consent that the individual would want.
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Are there any other conditions or health things that people may be navigating in their history where you would say, okay, just like autoimmunity, this would be another thing that if you have this in your family history, if you're dealing with this right now, then do you really want to risk it? Or there's other alternatives.
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
It's not like you just have the pill and you can explore those alternatives.
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What other research would you like to see in the future? I'm sure the list is endless, but in terms of priority, right? And what is actually possible? Because you've also talked about how you can't ethically have somebody on.
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placebo double blind placebo control for you know hormonal birth birth control right that'd be a problematic because somebody might end up getting pregnant because they're not sure are they on the pill are they on something else but realistically what can be done and what would you like to see in terms of priority that would make the most difference for women's health
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
When I listen to my community and the women that are in it who have young daughters, even if they didn't have a bad experience on the pill, and many of them have felt like there were negative experiences that they had and everybody's different. But if I would sum up a good chunk or the majority of the thoughts, it's like, hey, I wouldn't put...
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
her through that because there's too much unknown and there's plenty of other options now my community are largely individuals that you know if you're listening to a health podcast and you have an hour or two hours you probably have some economic flexibility you know you're not in poverty you have some level of education and so they understand that hey listen
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
We don't want to take away the pill because especially for those that are most disenfranchised and being born to a single mother is a greatest predictor of poverty. We need these solutions that are out there. And they also recognize that a lot of the recommendations for my doctor are public health recommendations. We're not the best in medicine about giving a family its own unique medicine.
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
sort of recommendations for what that family is there. We kind of lump everybody together. So the feeling is, I don't want to risk it. There's too many variabilities. There's too many unknowns. And on top of that, the pill isn't the only thing we're dealing with. We're dealing with a world that has increasingly higher levels of
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
microplastics and xenoestrogens and makeup toxins and any kind of thing that you could imagine why introduce another variable that could go one way or another they're sort of seeing it as sort of risking do you feel like that's a fair way to look at stuff if there's still the priority and the emphasis that, hey, we want to avoid, you know, a young woman getting pregnant when she doesn't want to.
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
So there has to be a greater investment into education and what those solutions would be.
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
Hi everyone, it's Drew. Unfortunately, we lost our connection with Sarah in the interview and we couldn't re-record it. So I wanted to do a little outro to make sure, number one, please check out Sarah's work. The book is called This Is Your Brain on Birth Control, The Surprising Science of Women, Hormones, and the Law of Unintended Consequences.
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
And while we were at the end of the interview and we were talking about those unintended consequences, I truly believe that the best way to continue to highlight this work is to continue to pay attention to the people and researchers that are out there like Sarah who are advocating for more research to protect women.
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
This isn't just a conversation, although this is very important, about access to birth control and avoiding unintended pregnancies and supporting women. This is a conversation about having choices that don't end up having
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unintended consequences and that's the hope for the future that we make enough noise as a society even the men out there that are looking after the women that they love and potentially their daughters in the future we need to make enough noise that we bring this conversation to the forefront and come up with better options and make sure that people know what their risks are with certain medications that are there
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
Thank you, Sarah Hill, for being on the podcast. And everyone, if you wouldn't mind, we've linked to Sarah, Dr. Sarah Hill's Instagram in the show notes below. You can find her and follow and continue to follow her work there. Thank you for tuning in to The Droop Road Show. I'll see you next week.
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
haven't taken the issue very seriously they haven't taken the issue very seriously and there's also this component where in many of your interviews you have to share a disclaimer on your end that you know you are not against the women's rights movement right so let's get that disclaimer out of the way yeah tell us why you have to talk about it right? All right, here's a little secret.
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I think what I've noticed is where a lot of women who start to take care of their health, they're in their 30s, maybe they've already had kids or they want to have kids in the future. And they're sort of unwinding and they're paying attention to different sources of media coming across your podcast interviews across the spectrum of all different types of podcasts you've been on.
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There's this internal feeling that people have, again, this is just something that I've noticed, that, man, is there some sort of big cover-up going on?
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
Because if it really is about the trade-offs, why didn't anybody sit me down, this is the women that I'm hearing saying this, and tell me that there was a higher likelihood of, as an adolescent, taking birth control, taking the pill, that I could have anxiety, that I could have some lifelong changes that were in my brain that I could be suffering with low libido.
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Birth Control Deep Dive: How it Changes Your Brain, Its Link to Autoimmune Conditions, and Why We Need Better Options with Sarah Hill Ph.D
It doesn't mean that it happens with everybody, but how come nobody mentioned that to me? So is there some big conspiracy? Is there some big pharma conspiracy or what led to many women feeling like I didn't have informed consent?
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This Study Shocks Cardiologists: LDL and ApoB May Not Predict Heart Disease Risk in Healthy People with Dr. Nick Norwitz
Dr. Nick Norwitz, a pleasure to have you on the podcast. I'm a huge fan of your work. I've been trying to get you on for a little while, so I'm grateful that you're here today. And we have some exciting news for our audience. Today, you're here to talk about a first of its kind, groundbreaking study that will give us massive insights into into a few areas that have all come together.
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This Study Shocks Cardiologists: LDL and ApoB May Not Predict Heart Disease Risk in Healthy People with Dr. Nick Norwitz
So let's go back to the second part of the question before I interrupted you. You were kind of getting there anyway. Why would people who already have plaque see that they would see further progression of plaque, stickiness of plaque, I guess you could say, when they're going on largely what would be the diet that you follow, which would be a low-carb ketogenic diet?
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This Study Shocks Cardiologists: LDL and ApoB May Not Predict Heart Disease Risk in Healthy People with Dr. Nick Norwitz
For somebody who's listening today who's like, I want to do individualized and personalized risk assessment when it comes to my cardiovascular health. Let's start off with somebody maybe that has a lot of resources and can go outside the scope of traditional medicine. What would you recommend for that individual?
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This Study Shocks Cardiologists: LDL and ApoB May Not Predict Heart Disease Risk in Healthy People with Dr. Nick Norwitz
And then let's also talk about the person who may not have as much resources or is dependent on only the healthcare that they have through insurance.
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So a quick question or clarification on my end.
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I've heard from folks that sometimes if somebody goes to get a traditional CT scan, which was one of the tests that you mentioned, which often people go to as a first line because it's very cheap and it's easy to do, they'll come back and they might have a very low score, but it could give them a false sense of security because the CT scan is only looking for hard plaque,
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This Study Shocks Cardiologists: LDL and ApoB May Not Predict Heart Disease Risk in Healthy People with Dr. Nick Norwitz
Whereas some of the more functional tests that are out there, a CCTA is going to be looking at soft plaque. And I don't know if this is true or not, but that soft plaque is a bigger risk factor for heart disease. Does that make any sense? And what did I get wrong as part of that? Are you looking for one of the most effective ways to naturally boost cellular and mitochondrial health?
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So I'll just share my own personal anecdote that I've shared with my audience previously. But I, right around the age of 40 and having some history of heart disease in the family, and also knowing that South Asians, who generally are very metabolically unhealthy in America, They work desk jobs, computer scientists. Many of them are doctors, et cetera.
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There's not a lot of exercise and fitness, although a lot of that's changing. They're at the highest risk of heart disease of any ethnic minority in the United States. And so me being Indian and part of that community and having a history of high LDL and ApoB, right as I turned 40, I sought out a a more open-minded precision medicine cardiologist who would help me dig into all this.
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And I've done many podcasts with him. Michael Twyman, he's a great guy. I think you might even have maybe had some interaction with him at some point in time. And one of the tests that we did was a CCTA test. I have no affiliation with them, but it was a brand name called Clearly.
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And why I wanted to seek that out, even though it is a lot of radiation, I've heard estimates that it's a thousand x-rays or something like that. I don't know if you have any insight on CCTAs, how much radiation it is compared to normal, you know, x-ray that's there, but I've heard it's a lot of radiation. I don't think it's too much. Okay. Okay. So maybe a thousand is overblown.
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So I sought out one of these CCTA tests, clearly was the brand, again, not affiliated with them. And when I got back the results, it gave me, and I
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break them down on my youtube channel with dr twyman along with all my metabolic labs that i got through boston health and i thought it'd be a good experiment for me to share that i'm just like my audience i'm not an expert in this category i'm just interviewing and getting a chance to ask people like you questions and i'm trying to make my own mind up of do i want to live for the next 10 20 30 40 years
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And beyond that, of course, on the diet that I'm currently on that has my LDL being an elevated LDL, where a traditional cardiologist would say, hey, you're at a super high risk of getting, based on family history, ethnicity, et cetera, you're at a super high risk of getting a cardiac event in the future.
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And that test gave me a deep peace of mind along with all my labs that I got done that I had... the cleanest test that he had ever seen for any man in his practice that was there. Granted, I'm 40 years old. I haven't had a cardiac event before, but I found a deep sense of peace of mind.
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And I was sharing with you before we started recording is that I still, balancing everything, was asking myself, do I want to live the rest of my life, hopefully to 100 and beyond, with a super high ApoB and LDL. And I ended up deciding, because I'm a hyper reabsorber of cholesterol, I ended up deciding to go on the prescription medication, azetamide. And so I take that.
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I think it's the standard dosing is like 10 milligrams. And I take that every single day. And I saw a pretty big drop in my ApoB and I'm still eating the way that I'm eating. And I chose that because largely as I was weighing all the pros and cons, it was generally as recommended to me
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From my cardiologist, again, everybody needs to go see their own medical doctor and get their own, you know, prescription for what's right for them, lifestyle, medication, etc. It was the one that had the least potential side effect that would be there. So do you have any commentary about my situation and how I approached it?
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I'll add in one more layer, and I'd love to get your thoughts on this. There was a pretty wild study that came out last year, I think from a group of researchers from Italy. I'm sure you came across this, where they did autopsies and they saw that the individuals had the highest level of plaque, also had a large amount of microplastic accumulation inside of that plaque.
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And do you have any thoughts on this? And why I'm asking is because I'm also, you know, knowing that we have an increased toxic burden and that all of us are being exposed to microplastics in the air, in the water, from our clothing, in our foods. I don't know if you saw on Twitter, the plastics list by Nate Smith. I forgot his last name, Nate. It'll come back to me. We'll link to the show notes.
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But they basically found that everything from like Whole Foods ground beef to, you know, many places like are filled with extraordinary levels of plastics in the food. So did you come across a study? And what are your thoughts about that when it comes to heart health, even for healthy individuals like you and me who have pretty clear levels of hard plaque and soft plaque?
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The carnivore diet, the low carb diet, high LDL, ApoB, and whether or not certain risk factors lead to poor cardiovascular health and even increase our risk of heart attack. So let's talk about this study, who you did it with and why it matters.
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To drive this idea home, I want to ask you a question. If I came to you and I said, Nick, I want to design the absolute worst diet and lifestyle regimen that is guaranteed to create a an environment in somebody's body where they end up not only having a heart attack, but have it early, right? Walk us through this person's daily routine.
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And just, you know, I know it sounds silly, but I think that sometimes the audience really responds to this. Like, what is this person eating for breakfast, lunch, and dinner? You talked about them snacking on sugar a lot, but what does their diet look like? Breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
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Well said. Nick, I want to move on from heart health, unless there's any other commentary that you have on that. And I want to ask you a bigger picture question about gut health, which is something that has been a big part of your journey and inspiration around your journey. Today, more than ever, when we look around, we're seeing individuals that have poor gut health.
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autoimmune diseases that are related to gut health are on the rise. And generally, a lot of people feel that their digestion is just completely out of whack. As I mentioned, you have your own personal relationship to this. But before we get into your story, I want to hear from your perspective. Why do we see so many people in our modern society with such bad gut health?
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So that's not uncommon that other individuals haven't said, but where I think you have a unique perspective that I'd love to have you expand on is many people like yourself, because of gut health issues and challenges and diagnoses, have found themselves in a place where they've had to seek out things like a ketogenic or a carnivore diet as the means to help them reach some sort of level of health.
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Why has that been a huge driver for so many individuals getting into the space, the carnivore and the ketogenic diet for gut health?
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You know, I hinted at your story, and I think I have the details right. Correct me where I have them wrong. But in your late teens, you faced devastating health issues. First, severe osteoporosis, then ulcerative colitis. And that even ended up with you, I believe, ending up in palliative care. Is that accurate?
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So a lot of our audience is listening today and they're asking themselves this question on a regular basis, which is, is the diet that I'm eating leading to a healthier heart or a not as healthy heart? And in the context of everything you shared and this journal, this paper that was just published in the journal, we'll have the link below in the show notes.
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Give our audience some context. What were the unique combination of circumstances that you, now looking back from everything that you know of being a researcher in this space and your lived experience, what were the unique combination of circumstances that led to your health issues? And then how did you end up finding the carnivore diet and the ketogenic diet?
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And how quickly did it take before you noticed a difference?
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Um, the question that I'd like to ask you is how can you help our audience understand the body of work that's out there and where this study fits into it? Many people have seen the headlines that, Hey, red meat. is going to increase your risk of developing a heart attack.
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Sometimes I've seen that the criticism around... the carnivore diet, when people pursue it for things like ulcerative colitis or autoimmune conditions, one phase of the criticism is, hey, Why don't you just do some other more evidence population, public health based study things to improve that area that don't have as much downside on things like your heart health or longevity?
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Now, we've already talked about the heart health piece of it, and that has many, many layers. And that was the first part of this podcast.
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The part that I want to understand and have you chime in on, the way I get it from listening to your story is I would say, hey, look, Nick went through a combination of things in his life, but probably the antibiotics being a huge factor that it's so permanently altered his microbiome that the idea of him eating you know, some more fiber, which you've tried a lot of this stuff.
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The idea of putting in some probiotics, some more fiber, some fermented foods to fix it and doing this general population level stuff that's there. The microbiome is so off and so sensitive that if he doesn't go to something that's a more seen as extreme, the level of flare ups and the level of issues just prevents him from even living his normal life. So why even play in that category?
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He has to try to do something else. Is that an accurate way to think about it from my side?
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And even people have seen very well-respected individuals on podcasts talk about how they should be paying attention to these individual biomarkers that you've mentioned, LDL, APOB, such to the degree that some experts even have said that those things are causative for atherosclerosis.
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So the person who's just trying to make sense of this all today and understand what this paper may mean for them, what do you want to share for them?
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I love it. So if you have a poop fecal transplant protocol, hit Nick up on X. Yeah, my next N equals one experiment.
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The thing I appreciate about you, Nick, is that you really dive into the nuance around a lot of these things. And I think that a lot of our audience members, even myself included, and I've shared this in episodes that I've done with folks in the past on the topic of carnivore, is that when you see some of the loudest voices in the space, it comes with such a level of
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demonization around certain topics that you have a hard time knowing what to take seriously.
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Now, obviously, there's voices like yourself, Dave, other people that are out there, a lot of the metabolic mind folks, I've had some of them on my podcast, that can break things down and say, here's what we know, here's what we don't know, here's what people's experience is, here's where there's strong data, here's where there's weak data, here's where you have to make your own decision.
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But you talked about a few of these areas that are the most controversial that you have a little bit of a different take on, I just want to expand on those a little bit more, right? So you talked about vegetables and how the idea of, if you could eat some Brussels sprouts, which I love Brussels sprouts and I do well with them.
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If you could eat some Brussels sprouts that were roasted with a little olive oil, cranberries, maybe, you know, a side of avocado, uh, some nuts on there, you would, because it tastes great. And you generally think, uh,
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we have evolved i've heard you talk about in other podcasts we've evolved as omnivores as human beings we should have the ability to be able to eat a lot of things because that would adapt us to living into a lot of different climates and being more resourceful as a species some individuals that are out there that are especially in the carnivore and keto side of things
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blanketly say that fiber overall is not just not recommended, but straight up a disservice to individuals because of lectins, oxalates, anti-nutrients, and other aspects that might be there. Can you extrapolate on your thoughts?
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Let's talk about one that is a hot topic right now. And this goes beyond just the carnivore community. And it's the idea of Diet Coke and some of the ingredients in it. And you recently made a video on this topic. And that led to a lot of debate, chatter, maybe some criticism that are there. So for followers that are listening of my podcast that have no idea what we're talking about, set the stage.
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And then let's talk about it.
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I didn't read the paper, not even that I have the background or knowledge to be able to dissect it. That's where I'm using Chad GPT deep research these days to at least find some evidence
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know human level speak because i have no training in that area part of there seems to be a diet coke tribe separation in the health space and this is just what i've seen in the outside is that i have many friends that are largely individuals that would agree that like hey we want
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even practitioners, medical doctors, naturopathic doctors, DOs, who are like, look, I want me and all my patients to be metabolically healthy. And as the evidence-based landscape of what works and doesn't work is out there, I think that they see it as a lot of people were fear-mongering about the impact around Diet Coke and aspartame on gut bacteria.
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and how we didn't really know really a lot of what as you've shared before what does good gut bacteria look like across the board and is it relevant for other people comparatively to the studies that are out there for individuals who let's say rely on diet coke as a way to get off of sugar and reduce their overall caloric load which could be helping so i've seen this uptick in people sort of proudly
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signaling that they are healthy individuals that might even be eating all their meat from grass fed and other things but they're still a champion of diet coke and that's uh besides the fact that they probably like diet coke and it's one of their sources of caffeine it's also uh what i see is like a public signal of like hey listen i just want you to know what sort of
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where i stand in the landscape of things uh so that's just something that i've noticed from the outside so what i'm hearing from you is like look this study is something worth paying attention to it's not by all means a conclusive study on all aspects related to human beings if you like diet coke continue to have diet coke if you're somebody who largely is healthy and
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you're having a few Diet Cokes a day and that's your risk assessment, great, continue to do it. And if you're somebody who's unhealthy, who's using Diet Coke to get off regular Coke, great. It doesn't have to be a binary thing. You could have water, you could have other stuff that are out there. Basically, I'm hearing you say, if it works for you, keep doing it.
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I'm just talking about what I found interesting in this study.
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Yeah, well, what I love that we have the ability to do in this day and age is we can have a discussion on a podcast. I think one of your thoughts, I think it was a tweet or maybe a post, you wrote that you felt that some people were taking you out of context in terms of your whole message around the topic and your video and what you were saying and what you weren't saying.
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And that's the nature of the internet. People do that all the time. I've probably taken people out of context on stuff that we've covered over here. And we can at least have these follow-up discussions on Twitter, on X, on Instagram, on long format podcast.
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And I appreciate that side, but I, you know, to steel man, the other side, I do think that there's a group of people that are out there who are maybe less pro I'm in the camp of like, let's hear all the conversations that are there. And let's have people talk about any kind of topics that they want to talk about. People have such a hard time already, especially when it comes in the category of
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dropping weight and liquid calorie seems to be a big part of that. And if we dissuade this individual who tends to be the person who's not going to be listening to these longer format podcast or going into the nuances along with you on your journey, that actually one snippet or one person's amplification could be enough to dissuade them from
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choosing Diet Coke, and now people go towards unhealthier options. I do think that that's what the other side, not to make it about sides, I think that's what the other side believes. Now, I don't believe that personally, but I do think that that's what the other side believes. And again, everybody can have their own beliefs about stuff.
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This Study Shocks Cardiologists: LDL and ApoB May Not Predict Heart Disease Risk in Healthy People with Dr. Nick Norwitz
Well, on the topic of nuance, Nick, I just have a couple more categories here that I want to touch on as we wind down today's interview. And one you've already touched on it a little bit, and it's the topic of seed oils that you have such a nuanced take on. We've had people on this podcast that have written entire books about seed oils and will tell you that they're more dangerous than smoking.
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This Study Shocks Cardiologists: LDL and ApoB May Not Predict Heart Disease Risk in Healthy People with Dr. Nick Norwitz
We've had people that have come on this podcast that have talked about how the data largely shows that individuals that have seed oils in their diet and that remove saturated fat have a lower risk of heart disease that's there.
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You start off the topic by first helping people understand that the topic of seed oils, before we can have any discussion around it, is first about what are we actually talking about? There's a huge difference between McDonald's fryer oil that's out there and having some seed oil that might be from canola oil that's cold pressed. So let's talk about that.
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You know, I've had Brian Johnson on the podcast and I want to just say from afar, I really love the experimentation that he's doing and putting all his labs out there. And I'm not saying you don't. I think you probably feel largely that you love the experimentation that's there.
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The point that I was going to make is actually going back to the beginning of this podcast where we're talking about getting functional tests and especially these CCTAs. My suspicion as somebody who grew up vegetarian has looked at a lot of, been very convinced by my cardiologist about the multitude of factors that play a role in plaque buildup, which
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talked about things like microplastics, but we didn't really dive deep into it, but I've done episodes on it. Endothelial function, nitric oxide, the level of alcohol intake somebody might have, stress factors that are there as well too, in addition to potentially the role that certain oxidized fats and things might have in the diet if somebody's having a lot of those that are there.
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I think that if a lot of the individuals that are the most vocal voices on their approach to lowering people's risk of cardiovascular disease, if they actually got a Clearly test done or a CCTA and published their results, I think a lot of them would be shocked to see that their level of plaque is not where they expected it to be.
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And in particular, I'm thinking about a lot of the vocal voices in the vegan, vegetarian, plant-based community.
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Yeah, I think Joel Kahn, who was a cardiologist, who's a vegan cardiologist, who actually has a very clean, clearly, CCTA scan. We talked about his on my podcast. I think he said he's an advisor to Brian, but he just didn't want to risk the radiation that would come with it. So, you know, again, that's up to Brian. But I'm not so worried about Brian.
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I feel like he's got everything sort of dialed in in his sort of world that he's doing.
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Well, I think you said it well. You said you appreciate him as somebody who pushed the bounds and questions the status quo. And that's how I see him, but that's also how I see you and the work that you guys are doing in this space. And I think that that's important. We have a society that...
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is largely unhealthy and there is a movement that's been happening and it's going to continue to happen where people are sicker than ever. And it's created this perfect storm where people are asking, what do we have to do to get myself healthy and what do we have to do to get other people healthy?
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And I appreciate that you are a key player in that space, first with your own journey, and then also the studies that you guys are publishing, which we talked about in the beginning. So, Nick, I just want to say that this has been a fantastic conversation. I've been a big fan of yours. I actually mentioned you in the beginning, but I tried to interview you last year.
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You were too busy at the time with with stuff that you had on your plate, legitimate stuff. And I want to give a shout out to a mutual friend of ours that actually suggested to have you back on or an acquaintance. I don't know if you guys are friends or acquaintances, but Dr. Joe Zendel.
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was the one who said, Hey, listen, if you haven't had Nick on, I really appreciate the way that he communicates. And I think you'd have a great conversation. I was like, this is the perfect reminder to reach back out to Nick because I'd love to have him on the podcast.
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Absolutely. Nick, we'll link to all your socials in the show notes below. Anything you want to plug while our audience is still listening?
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Thank you again.
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I wasn't laughing. I was smiling because I love that you did that. And I was a huge fan of you putting out that work. So to follow up on that, you mentioned something really interesting earlier. You said in the study, you saw two groups of people. One group of people were individuals that didn't have a lot of plaque built up already and we're lean mass hyper-responders, right?
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Individuals that are on a low carb diet whose LDL is very high and probably also their ApoB is probably high too, right? If their LDL is high in most cases. They basically go hand in hand in this.
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case they go hand in hand so their apob is high and their ldl is high but they had no plaque that was there and so you saw with that group they didn't get any further plaque progression but the other group is where i want to ask the question individuals that already had some plaque build up did see further plaque progression let's talk about that group Two questions about them.
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What is your understanding of the reasons that people might have plaque buildup to begin with, especially if they're eating very healthy right now? And then why do you think that these individuals, just a hypothesis on your end from what you know, why would these individuals see further plaque progression?
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And then just because that's very debated, before you go further, what was that lifestyle that they were living? Because you'll see, a lot of our audience will see the arguments from people saying... Hey, if you're eating meat, that's a lifestyle that's going to be leading to plaque buildup.
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This Study Shocks Cardiologists: LDL and ApoB May Not Predict Heart Disease Risk in Healthy People with Dr. Nick Norwitz
Some people will say, hey, if you don't have a healthy workout routine and nitric oxide and endothelial protection, these are things that are going to be building. So what was that combination of lifestyle habits that you think... were contributing to their plaque buildup for them or for anybody else?
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
Hi everyone, Drupal Road here. Today we're talking about a dangerous condition that over half, half of the United States suffers from. And with most other countries either worse or not behind. I'm looking at you, India, and the Middle East. They're all struggling with insulin resistance.
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Now, before we get there, one of the things that I want to get a chance to touch on is that when you have... Fatty liver disease, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, or this updated term, which is a mouthful, but can you repeat it again? Metabolic, what was it called?
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big takeaway when people follow your work, listen to your interviews, see the book is that it's not that this problem is just isolated to the liver. This impacts every aspect of the health of our body and our longevity as well, which I know is something that my audience is very interested in.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
So can you talk and I'll run through, we maybe run through a few categories that you've broken down in the book, but Talk about how fatty liver disease, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, gets in the way of our long-term health and interrupts the function of other organ systems.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
Let's dive right into my conversations with Kristen Kirkpatrick and Dr. Ibrahim. Something mind-blowing that I've learned from your work over the years is that most people that have fatty liver disease don't actually know that they have it. That's why the two of you call this a silent epidemic. Now, before we get into what it is,
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
No, that's super helpful. And another area that this ties into, Kristen, I'd love for you to chime in on this, is that you mentioned that a lot of your patients come in in the early stages and they might just think, I just have fatigue. Sure, there's a lot of reasons why people would struggle with fatigue.
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But in some instances, and based on the estimates that are there, right around 30% of the population, at least here in North America, is dealing with fatty liver disease, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. But there's another one, just like fatigue, this idea that they are dealing with some level of chronic inflammation.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
So what's the connection between non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and chronic inflammation that could be impacting the whole body?
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
You know, after I turned 40, I started doing everything I could to understand what was going on with my heart and making sure that I do everything that I could to protect it as I get older. I'm sure a lot of you can relate to this, but metabolic dysfunction and high cholesterol are rampant in my family.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
I'd love to start off with what are some of the biggest warning signs for somebody listening today, knowing that the vast majority of people that have fatty liver disease don't know they have it. What are some of the top warning signs that somebody listening today might be struggling with it or is on their way to struggling with it? Kristen, do you want to jump in first?
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As you'll hear, Dr. Nolte explains the role that excess insulin plays in weight gain and shares her four pillar plan for a low insulin lifestyle. Let's listen in. Why is insulin such an important part of this conversation? And how does it take the idea that it's all just about calories in and calories out and really expand it?
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It's not that that's not true, as you mentioned, you know, but it's actually there's a lot more to the story. So what would you like to share about insulin?
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
According to top experts, insulin resistance is the leading cause of the biggest diseases of our time, including type 2 diabetes, heart disease, certain types of cancers, it definitely plays a huge role, and Alzheimer's disease, which some folks, including many of the people that have been on this podcast, are calling type 3 diabetes.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
You know, one of the things that you are really good at explaining is helping people understand, especially women, as we age, our relationship with insulin can change a little bit. So you first talk about how important insulin is when it comes to sustained weight loss.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
and also of course living a low inflammatory lifestyle excessive elevated chronically elevated insulin being connected to inflammation now let's talk a little bit more about aging and how that plays a part into this
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
Dr. Hanane, when somebody comes to you, especially at the later stages, and we're going to break down all the stages, your top foods to support and feed the liver, and also the most fascinating thing that I saw in the book, which is the four metabolic types.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
Actually, can I, sorry, before you go further, just because it's so valuable what you're sharing about mindset and how related it is, even though I know my audience is going to be upset because I interrupted you while you're in your flow, a question that I have on behalf of my audience and for myself, if you had to list what are one, two, three of the most sort of
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
toxic things that you see people doing when it comes to mindset. That is the key single thing, you know, however many it might be. It might be one thing, might be two things, might be three things. I think it's worth highlighting because if you're saying that mindset is so pivotal to sustained weight loss, it's worthwhile here while we have everybody's attention to sort of highlight.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
So what are some of the most damaging things that you see over and over that interrupt people's goals when it comes to mindset?
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
The people listening today, they're going to want to understand these four metabolic types and which one they are so that they know how to support their liver. But when somebody comes to you in the later stages, What are some of those warning signs that they've been struggling and they're dealing with fatty liver disease?
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
Right. Did you also get, did you gain muscle because you're now working out?
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
And so you only lost a half a pound and last month you lost more, but maybe you gain muscle because you're working out or you're doing some resistance training, which is why people are so, so much of a big proponent of like, not just the scale, but you know, body composition, whether it's through an in-body scan or a DEXA scan, there could be a lot of reasons that play into it.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
Those are beautiful. For not having thought of the answer, you had a perfect answer. And I'm sure it's going to be very helpful to our audience. Okay. So I interrupted you. You were about to go down the pathway of continuing on the conversation of insulin. I actually wasn't sure exactly where you were going to go, but I'll pass it back over to you now that we've had a chance to talk about mindset.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. Everybody can express their opinion. At the end of the day, I'm here to make sure that your message gets out there and I'm here to fight for my guest. And so I'll take some haterade. I'll take some haterade here and there.
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Because I'm here to fight to make sure that your message gets across and that I ask and I represent the audience who I know would be interested in those topics. So yeah, bring it on. I'm okay. I'm a big, I'm a big, I'm a grown boy. So I'm good to go. I like that.
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Yeah. And maybe not the thing that a lot of people should start off with if they are new to this world. It's better to focus in on the add-in components that are there because sure, fasting might help you lose weight quicker, but will you be able to keep it off afterwards if you don't have these tools as you were mentioning?
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
Can I ask you a question on that topic? Yeah. There's a mutual friend that's also been on your podcast as well, Cynthia Thurlow. I know she shared that over the years, especially as an individual who doesn't have a lot of weight to lose, right? She's not obese or...
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
uh you know being overweight and had not really prioritized protein and strength training and other things for herself personally again this is somebody who you know has a ted talk on intermittent fasting and the benefits of it that are there she said for me personally as being you know in a lot of my demographic being similar to me you know they might have
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10, 15 pounds they want to lose to get into their optimal sort of space. Not her, but she's saying my audience. But they're also trying to work on the protein goals. They're trying to build lean muscle mass. They're also trying to do this. I've sort of changed my mind a little bit. This is her speaking.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
And it's that if I do some of these longer fasts that are there beyond like the 16 hours and 12 hours, I end up losing or there's the fear of losing so much muscle mass that's there. And it just takes me so much time.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
effort and energy as i age to get it back so i've largely now that i'm in a healthy place and i feel good and i'm very stable and it's really about optimizing i've stayed away from those fast because the trade-off is not as as needed for me and the risk of losing that muscle mass is is is very high you know do you generally agree with that um thought process
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
I know of the show, but I didn't watch it. But yeah, I saw the clip where they were talking together and they were revealing, I believe it was Chris Hemsworth, risk of Alzheimer's or something like that. They were talking about the APOE genes or something like that. I could have gotten that wrong, but yes, I'm familiar with it.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
I let's call it skimmed and I'm regularly going back to read sections that because it's quite dense. But yes, I'm generally familiar with the framework and the approach and the key messages that are in there. And I have seen how he sort of changed his mind on fasting.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
Yeah, that's great. So this is all part of a conversation of the four pillars that you were walking through and fasting was one of them. What are some of the pillars that you want to walk through when it comes to this approach that you have with clients?
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
Insulin resistance, type 3 diabetes, and Alzheimer's, they're all in the same bucket. It's also a big part of what contributes to belly fat and weight gain. For sure, you need excess calories, but when a lot of those calories are also contributing to insulin resistance, you're going to pack on more belly fat.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
Let's start off with an analogy of explaining fatty liver disease, but by explaining how important the liver is. You know, in the book, which is fantastic, by the way, we have the link in the show notes to pick up a copy. In the book, you talk about how the liver, if you were imagining a city that you were flying over, the liver is the public space
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
You know, I really, really love how Dr. Nolte emphasizes how important it is to prioritize doing the simple things to live a low insulin lifestyle, not just to maintain a healthy body composition, but to also maintain a healthy body and mind.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
Making our body insulin sensitive so that it pumps out the right amount of insulin at the right times is so essential for supporting our overall health and our liver specifically. And the good news is that insulin resistance is not only preventable, it's reversible. I've seen it firsthand with my own family members.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
Really coming to the understanding about how important insulin sensitivity is was a game changer even for my own health. I actually saw firsthand
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
that yes a lot of carbohydrates and refined sugar is a big part of what drives insulin resistance but when i specifically started to add lean muscle mass i went on an intense journey of a year to get serious about it when i turned right before i turned 40 and found out that i was skinny fat i said okay i need to get my muscle health my lean muscle mass in order and so i went on that journey and it took me about nine months eight months and i added almost about nine point something pounds 8.9 pounds
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
utilities, the public work utilities, and that's the role that it plays in the city. Kristen, can you take that analogy further and explain it to our audience just so they understand just what the role of the liver is? And then we'll talk about how fatty liver disrupts the liver's function.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
There was different ways to measure. So they all showed up a little bit differently, but let's just call it nine pounds. I added nine pounds of lean muscle mass to my body. And I even was eating a little bit more carbohydrates, a little bit more carbohydrates, which means I'm not fearing carbohydrates, the occasional white rice, the sweet potatoes, whatever it might be, the God forbid oatmeal.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
And I saw something pretty crazy happen. When I added lean muscle mass and I started walking more and I prioritized my muscle and exercise resistance training, I was able to eat more carbohydrates than previously. And guess what? My fasting insulin, which is one of the main markers that our guests today have talked about, improved.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
So this is the power of stepping into prioritizing muscle and understanding how to live a low insulin lifestyle. I had it for me. I want that for you as well. Now that's the end of today's episode. If you enjoyed it, do me a favor. Send this episode to a friend. You can text message it to them. You can screenshot it to them.
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Send this episode to a friend who might find this inspiring, especially when it comes to their 2025 goals. Until next time, this is Drew Proat signing off. Thanks for tuning in.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
And the thing about insulin resistance is that it destroys, it eviscerates one of our most crucial organs, the liver. We don't always think about the role that the liver plays in our body, yet the liver has a role in every metabolic process in the body.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
So now that we know the important role of the liver, and we'll come back to it to dig in a little bit deeper, help us understand fatty liver. What is actually going on in the liver that is causing it to malfunction and lead to a whole host of other issues down the line?
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
So when you start to understand that it's literally fat in the liver, these sort of like fatty deposits, one of the things that you both talk about in the book is that the term itself is a little misleading when it comes to unpacking what the hell is causing this situation in the first place.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
You think fatty liver and immediately most individuals think, oh, okay, I guess it's the fat that's inside of our diet. Kristen, from a dietician's perspective, help us understand why that idea is misleading and what the real culprits are. Not that there aren't many. There are many, and we're going to break those down. But what is the major culprit of fatty liver?
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
And in today's compilation episode, I talk with authors, Kristen Kirkpatrick and Dr. Ibrahim, the co-authors of a book called Regenerative Health, Discover Your Metabolic Type and Renew Your Liver Fat. In this compilation episode, we discuss the function of the liver as well as how insulin resistance and poor metabolic health drives fatty liver disease.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
If you've ever heard the term, it's a little bit elusive. It's not fat necessarily that contributes to fatty liver disease. It's the same things that contribute to insulin resistance. We're going to talk about that in today's interview. you. And I also, in this compilation episode, talk with Dr. Morgan Nolte about the role that insulin plays in the body, particularly as it relates to weight gain.
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The Biggest Warning Signs That You Have Fatty Liver and What To Do About It
Yeah, and it's a big part of what you both wrote in the opening is that since your first book that was there, Skinny Liver, was that the name of it? Skinny Liver, yeah. Skinny Liver. There's so much science that's exploded and you've incorporated in there. And that's also a big part of how you've come up with these four metabolic types that we're going to get into in a second.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Hi everyone, Drew Proat here. Autoimmune conditions are on the rise, affecting an estimated 300 million people worldwide. That's almost the entire population of the United States of individuals suffering with autoimmune conditions around the world.
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But if you have the resources, because it takes a little bit of like, you got to convince your doctor to run this panel. Or, I mean, do you know any services that are more consumer friendly that people can use that then include this screening, these auto antibodies?
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But it's tough. You got to have a practitioner.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Okay. So- The question was, can you do this if you don't have a diagnosed disease? And you should still feel that there is some reason that you're going on the tiger protocol because it's directly tied into autoimmune because then you wouldn't necessarily need to be doing the elimination phase one, right?
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
You can just eat healthy and you can include a lot of the great principles that are inside of here, but it doesn't mean that you have to necessarily be super strict because that's more useful for somebody that's either on their way towards an autoimmune condition or has an autoimmune condition.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Before we get into supplements and a few other things that are there, I want to go to the phase two part of the diet. So phase one, it's better to look at sort of all the things that you can eat. And especially if you are strength training and things like that, you're prioritizing protein and getting good quantity of protein, which I feel has been a big topic over the last couple of years.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
We've had people like Dr. Gabrielle Lyon on the podcast. Dr. Donald Lehman on the podcast last week, one of the top protein researchers at University of Illinois out in Chicago. So a lot of more people talking about why protein is important, doing our best to go for the clean sources if we get a chance to, and staying away from ultra-processed foods and not processed meats that are there.
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What are some of the pillars of their diet that are really putting a lot of stress on their body?
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
So you're building your plate around healthy proteins, and you can still do this if you're vegetarian. You can do mung beans, other versions of that. You have examples of that in your book. fruits and vegetables, right? And then in your instance, which makes it a lot easier for people to follow, you still can have some grains and things like that as long as you're not super reactionary.
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Weirdly, I don't have an autoimmune condition, knock on wood, but I have a really bad reaction. I don't do well with things like quinoa. Oh, interesting. But I do well with white rice. I don't know why, but hey, whatever works. So now, if you look at that, there's a whole plethora of things that you can eat.
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It may take a little bit more work to sort of do some planning on the weekends, but you're gonna find that there's a ton of stuff that you can eat. You don't have to be nervous. You can't have pasta and other stuff like that in the immediate term, or maybe some of the processed foods that you're used to. So now the phase two, what are some of the things that you're really focused on bringing in?
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Oh, actually, you know what? Sorry, I wrote down a question that I wanted to get into first. In between the phase one and phase two is some gut healing. What have you found to be? Because in the Tiger Protocol, T is for toxins, I is for infections, G is gut health.
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What have you found to be central when it comes to the intersection of diet and or supplementation to start to repair the gut so that it's ready to include and expand the diet and the immune system which 80% of it they always say is concentrated in the gut, is not so reactive so that you can actually take on these foods. So take your approach to gut health.
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What are some of the top action items and things that you're bringing in with some of your patients?
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Apparently, it's maybe a 20,000-year-old fat. I think we've been probably making some version of stewed bone broth for a long time. We used to eat the whole animal.
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I think it's honestly easier to find as a supplement because then for a lot of people, you've got to get a juicer, which is expensive in itself. But cabbage juice, interesting.
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Great. Anything else that's part of the gut healing protocol or things that you talk about inside of your book?
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And in today's compilation episode, I talk to two incredible experts about the connection between food sensitivities, specifically gluten and dairy, and autoimmune diseases. Even if you're someone, knock on wood, who does not have an autoimmune condition, you'll want to listen in to today's episode and understand why these two foods, gluten and dairy, are so poorly tolerated by many.
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And one thing I've noticed just with friends of mine who've gone on different protocols where they're including in prebiotics is that sometimes you start a little slow and you work your way up. Because depending on how damaged your gut is, you could have a reaction to it, right? So you're just building up, starting slow, and ideally maybe not mixing so many at the same time.
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If you're trying inulin, you're just trying that for a little bit and getting to a level where you feel comfortable and you're kind of maintaining it and you've got it as a part of your diet. And then you can maybe, if you wanted to try something else, then you could try something else. But sometimes people see that, wow, this is good. That's good. This is good.
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Let me put it all in some big smoothie and blend it. And you end up having like a big gut bomb and you're like thrown off for a week with your gut trying to recover.
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Can they mix it with the cabbage juice? Yes. Yeah, they could, yes.
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Do you find that the average person who's dealing with sort of an autoimmune condition, which hopefully they have some level of medical care that they have access to, and of course, most people getting access to precision medicine doctor, functional medicine integrative, there's going to be a cost because insurance doesn't pitch in or anything else like that. Mm-hmm.
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Oh, that's right. You do. Yeah. One of the few clinics. Because you guys are part of a larger group.
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Do you guys have a massive waiting list? We do.
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So great. This question goes right into it. So of course, people can sign up for the waiting list and knock on wood, I hope they can get seen by you or other people that you guys might refer or recommend.
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But for the average patient that's out there who maybe doesn't have access, do you find that they can go through the process of this protocol and the dietary things on there and even the gut health? Is it doable to do it on your own? And... in a way that allows for a lot of the sort of trial and error that even a functional medicine doctor's doing, right?
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Because it's not like you have the exact, there's no one test you can do to see what foods work well for a patient or not. Sometimes you have to tell them to try something. They try it and then they have a really bad reaction. And they're like, I don't do well with this food or supplement. And I know in general, it works for a lot of people. It doesn't work for me.
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Is this tiger protocol doable enough for people that they can navigate through the ins and outs of trial and error as long as they're willing to do their homework in the process?
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For so many of us, even if we don't have an autoimmune condition, we notice that we just don't feel the best after eating certain foods. I know, for instance, that while I can tolerate some dairy, if I have it on a regular basis, I'll notice skin issues like pimples and breakouts and redness, and maybe even some constipation and a little bit of bloating.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Again, that's not everybody, but that is my unique situation. In my conversation with Dr. Elroy Vujdani, he breaks down why this is happening. And we also talk about the various factors that link the rise in autoimmune diseases to environmental factors, including the presence of these food sensitivities. Let's listen in. You mentioned something really interesting.
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You mentioned, for example, somebody comes to your clinic. Let's say classically, it might be a woman who's dealing with Hashimoto's because 80%, I think 80, 90% of Hashimoto's cases are women. Is that correct? That's correct. So it's a woman, maybe in her...
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30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, who's been either diagnosed with Hashimoto's or is starting to maybe Google and sees that they have symptoms that might be related to Hashimoto's and that they come in and then through advanced lab testing, they find out that one of the things that might be playing a role is that they have
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In this case, they've been eating a food their entire life that they didn't know is agitating and encouraging their Hashimoto's symptoms. It's not that non-celiac gluten sensitivity or just gluten sensitivity is causing their Hashimoto's.
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I don't think we're at that place where we could say it's directly causing, but it definitely seems to be one of the big factors for many patients that's influencing it. Is that a way to say it?
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Right, of course, stress plays a role, other things play a role, but in this particular case, what are some other examples of chronic diseases that people are dealing with every day that even if it's not gluten,
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that it could be other foods that are out there that they're in this category where they are dealing with the food sensitivity and they may not know that that food sensitivity could be potentially a big chunk of why this chronic disease is there in the first place or why they have really bad symptoms from this chronic disease. I'm all about making my life as seamless as possible.
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But it's not designed to be where you stay forever, which is an important thing to talk about, which is what you were just sharing.
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Yeah, this might be, for example, people have heard of like Terry Walls, who's been on this program before. Medical doctor and a researcher in the space of MS, published multiple studies on her Walls protocol. And she classically has talked about getting off of certain foods that she didn't have an allergy towards. And that was one of the things that helped her gut heal.
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And first, as basic as that sounds, why is it designed to be restrictive, right? What are you trying to do and what are you trying to minimize when it comes to the body and autoimmune?
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in the process of her journey of getting better which literally she had progressive ms she was in a wheelchair and it kept getting worse and was in terrible terrible pain she still is dealing with some of that pain but she is walking she rides her bike regularly she works out she's been on this podcast multiple times before so if anybody has ms we can definitely link to that so separate from ms and and uh hashimoto's and autoimmune conditions there's
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This other category of people who haven't been diagnosed with a chronic disease, they just feel like just somebody who feels bloated regularly, doesn't feel like their digestive system is working well, regularly feels like they don't have the opportunity to have their system working in the way that they want it to, feels lethargic on a regular basis. So there are people that are in that category
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Obviously, I'm not asking you to diagnose a whole group, nor could you, but do food sensitivities play a role for those individuals, or can food sensitivities play a role for those individuals?
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Now, for them, is it the same mechanisms, right? Because they may not have a diagnosed chronic disease, or maybe it's not bad enough yet for it to be that way, but how do certain foods end up causing this immune cascade in the body that has them feeling like crap?
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Yeah, and just so everybody's clear, environment just means anything outside of your body. It's the food that you're eating. It could be chemicals that you're exposed to. Largely, what you're talking about is, of course, food, but there's a whole host of things that are part of that.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
So you were talking about these three different stages.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Yeah. So you explained the first part, which is this pre-autoimmune stage, right? And we're not necessarily talking, although it's related to, you're not just saying that, hey, everybody's going to end up with an autoimmune disease, even though autoimmune diseases are skyrocketing and I think are one of the fastest growing classifications of diseases. What's the estimate in the United States?
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Is it 80 million people?
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
That's crazy. And what's the population right now of the US? Do we know? Tesla, can you Google that? I think we're like 300 and something million, 331 million. So that's a lot of people that have autoimmune conditions diagnosed.
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And there's some people still to this date, magazines, media outlets, even some doctors that I see, that will tell people, oh, we're just getting better at medicine, so we're catching these diseases. That's why there's so many people that have autoimmune, is because our medicine and access to medicine in the United States has grown, and that's why we're catching it.
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Tell us why that is not the answer, or at least definitely not the full answer.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
So something's been going on in the last 15 years, right? Something's been going on that's not just affecting people who have... diagnosed autoimmune diseases, although you gave two perfect examples, Hashimoto's is one, MS is another, but also this other category of just people who just don't feel good on a regular basis, people who think that they're eating healthy.
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Something has been changed in the environment. It's not our genetics. Our genetics takes millions of years to sort of evolve, even in the smallest realm, but there is our epigenetics that are going on in the body, which is how we react to the environment. So what the hell is going on in the last 15 years, in your opinion?
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Everybody's walking around over-inflamed. Not everybody, but a lot of people, most people. They're walking around over-inflamed. And it's because their body is trying to fight something. Inflammation is a tool, right? So even though we don't like these symptoms, brain fog, runny nose, these are all defense mechanisms. These are all sort of signals.
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These are all canaries in the coal mine that are an indication that some sort of localized inflammation or chronic inflammation is happening inside the body. And even though we don't like it, our body doesn't make mistakes. Our body is doing this for a reason because it's under threat. Why is it under threat?
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Because our border in our body, which is our gut health and is out of whack because of the foods that we're eating, dysbiosis, meaning we have too much of the wrong bacteria, not enough of the good bacteria, and also the chemicals that are in the environment.
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But would you say out of the ranking of all those, food still is the number one trigger for most people of their body being in a constant state of threat?
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
I think that's an important thing that you mentioned because we're not saying that, or you're definitely not saying that this food caused this issue. You're saying that this food is part of the story of this issue, right? And the story started much earlier And it just so happened that certain foods are more likely to perpetuate this issue. So we don't wanna be demonizing foods.
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And I think that's where a lot of people in the traditional world of medicine, they get upset when they see wellness people, podcasts like myself, other individuals they see on social media, that they feel that they're demonizing foods, which causes a lot of food anxiety for people and prevents people from nailing the basics. And sure, there is some misguided communication around that, right?
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But here you're getting a chance to clear it up that we don't want to demonize a food. We don't want to just immediately say certain foods are bad or certain foods are good. You want people to understand how they're part of this story. So tell us,
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How for a lot of these people, when you sit down with a patient and you're spending an hour in your first appointment, right, or your team is spending an hour meeting with them and going through their history and asking them about early life experiences, what are you looking for to put that story together about why they may be feeling the way that they do?
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Yeah, and the research has shown just even one round of antibiotics can destroy, and I'll link to this in the show notes, but I remember clearly at a functional medicine, Institute of Functional Medicine presentation, even one round of antibiotics can have a serious impact on the total quantity of good bacteria inside the gut.
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Your dad's a legend in this space, by the way. Thank you. He like totally transformed because one of the big problems was, starting off at the beginning of the podcast, is that most people just have these allergy tests. And as you mentioned, there's false positives, there's false negatives in the way that we explained earlier.
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And then there's all these researchers that are on the cutting edge that are like, we need something better. We need to look for something different. And your dad was the main guy that did that in this field of integrative and functional medicine.
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so people may not be able to be getting to a place of a doctor's office so also keeping in mind that if they're thinking about gut repair right and they feel like there is dysbiosis that they have leaky gut they're listening to you and they're like this is me
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and they don't have access to those tests, are there things that they can do to begin to go down the pathway of starting to repair their gut and hopefully have their immune system start to quiet down a little bit?
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Yeah, the challenge with the elimination diet step by step by step is it's very exhausting.
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It takes a long time. I still don't know many people that have done it that exact way, just one at a time.
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I just find it so much easier to do
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
some sort of program where again people hear paleo and they think oh i gotta go eat a bunch of meat no no it's not necessarily the case and obviously if you are vegetarian that's fine you can do that too you can look up versions of this for that but you can you're still eating vegetables you're talking about whole foods but in particular you are still removing dairy because now there's this whole component as paleo has evolved and this is one of my questions that we'll get to in a minute
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the navigation around dairy. Now some people feel like, okay, actually dairy can be part of a paleo diet as part of their interpretation, but they steer people towards fermented dairy, right? So we'll get to that in a second. But a classic sort of paleo diet where you're focusing on whole fruits, vegetables, can you do nuts and seeds?
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
It's really maybe staying away from that early list that you mentioned. Gluten, dairy. Would you put grains in that category?
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Okay, grains.
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Quinoa, rice...
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Yeah. And then if you wanted to go even more sophisticated later on, like maybe they don't have to get to corn and eggs yet. Those are a little bit less, but still they would follow in that cross reactivity category. Correct. But at least for most people, gluten, dairy, grains, that's going to encompass 90% of people, would you say?
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Which will require a little bit of work. But it's like, guess what requires a lot of work? Being sick. Nothing is more expensive than being sick. Nothing will cause you to give up more opportunities, not want to pursue the job of your dreams, not want you to start that new side business that you've been wanting to do or write that book or start a podcast or whatever it is.
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Yeah, when you have an autoimmune condition, your body's on high alert.
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Nothing will cut off opportunities. like being sick. Being sick is the most expensive thing you could possibly do. I just want to remind everybody of that because I've seen it time and time again, and even in my own life.
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And basically, like a police or the army would put out like an... I mean, the army doesn't do it, but like the local police might put out an APB, right? Right, right. Hey, look for anybody who's like this.
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So they're doing this for, what would you say? Some people say three weeks at least minimum.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Great. So you're doing this for six weeks. And one thing that I've personally seen, I'd love to hear your account, is that even by two weeks, people start to notice things. What have you noticed that your patients who tell to do this or people who write into you who maybe can't afford to come to the clinic or fly out here and you tell them or give them guidance? You've written a book also.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Let's bring that up, Tessa. It's called When Food Bites Back.
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When Food Bites Back.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Yeah, let's bring up the When Food Bites Back just for those that are looking at Amazon and they can see the cover. It's a person eating a french fry. Yeah. When Food Bites Back, Taking Control of Autoimmune Diseases. We're linking to that. And again, even if you don't have an autoimmune disease, this book can be helpful because you're walking people through action items like this. Yes.
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What do people start to notice? often, not everybody, but often, even by 10 days, two weeks of doing this?
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And you and I are both brown and they say, look, go after anybody who's brown. And even if we're not doing anything wrong, we're going to be getting caught up in the mix. And that's what I've heard that people talk about when it comes to gluten and dairy. These foods themselves are not inflammatory. In fact, dairy has been shown to be anti-inflammatory.
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Amazing. And immediately right now, there are people who are watching or listening that are like, I want that. So it's like, okay, let's try it, right? What's the worst thing? What's the downside of this? Okay, you spend a little bit more time cooking at home, which is good for you anyway. You're probably eating less processed foods.
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You're probably eating foods that are going to improve your metabolic health because you're not overeating on grains and starches and other stuff that are out there. So there's not a lot of downside to doing this.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
So now that you've done this for six weeks, what's the next step? You know, you're feeling a little bit better. Maybe some things have resolved. Some things are not 100% better, but they're a little bit better. Where do you go from there at the end of six weeks?
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
I remember reading your book when it first came out, but I don't recall, do you have a protocol inside of there that walks people through this process?
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Yes, you do. So people can get that inside of the book as well.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Yeah. And you already mentioned a few of those highlights. Now, a couple caveats for people, and I think you mentioned this the last time you were on the podcast, is... A lot of this is also contextual based on how bad things are. People who have had really bad IBS or IBD, which is an autoimmune disease, irritable bowel disease,
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they start to include even some of these healthier foods that are fermented and have fiber, and it feels like a bomb went off in their stomach. So they gotta go slow, or they might need to focus on more of the reparative process before they can bring in or find the best tolerated versions of those things. In general, they're not gonna do well with typically a lot of raw vegetables.
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But people with autoimmune conditions can have more of a reaction to these foods because their body's already on higher alert. So we need to bring it on lower alert.
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A lot of fiber at once if they weren't taking fiber.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
One of the ways that you do that is you're restricting the diet for a temporary period of time to make sure you're removing anything that might put the body on high alert until you can kind of quiet the immune system down by getting to the root issues. Is that accurate?
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I'd love to get your thoughts on this. You know, I put my dad on a elimination diet. This was probably 2009. And it was just for him. He wasn't complaining about anything specific, maybe a little bit of joint pain in his fingers, but he was a cricketeer. He played cricket, you know, actually professionally in Kenya.
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and then stopped right around the time that I was born, you know, and then, you know, we moved to the United States. So he just thought maybe it's just injuries from that, you know, a few of his knuckles or kind of his fingers look like a cricketeer's fingers, which are gnarly. So he just thought that joint pain is just coming from that, but you know what, I'll try this thing, right?
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I'll try this thing. So he did it, and by the second week, one of the things he noticed, because he had never not had gluten in his life, and had never not had grains for a period of time. And he did it, and he noticed, I think it was like day 15, 16, 17, it was like a 21-day program that we put him on. He came downstairs and he said, you know, I...
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And I was living with my parents at the time because I was helping to take care. I just dropped out of college and I was starting my first business. So I was saving on money, but I was also helping to take care of my grandfather who was really sick and had cancer. And both my parents were working at the time, so I was helping my grandmother.
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He came downstairs and he said, you know, what's really weird is that I haven't had that morning back pain that I've just been used to for years.
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I said, that's great, Dad. Like, that's interesting. Like, let's keep note of that and anything else that you come across. Now, when his 21-day period, right? I didn't do the full six weeks. I didn't know you at the time. Sure. So he did three weeks. Still saw some benefits.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
When that 21-day period was done, there was part of him that even though he had felt better, but it was a kind of a slow process, even with his back pain, it kind of was a slow process there. And he had spent his entire life eating these foods. He didn't like fully, I'm not going to say believe it, but basically that, right?
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Not everybody, and we don't want to immediately demonize them as being bad for everyone, but why do these two foods come up time and time again as issues for so many people? So much so that they can often lead to symptoms including joint pain, fatigue, and most importantly, digestive issues.
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He's like, okay, there's something to this, but it's kind of a coincidence. Maybe I also had him on some supplements. Maybe it's the supplements that he was on. So I'll just do the supplements and I'm going to go back to eating a lot of these foods in the same frequency. And I said, okay, yeah, do that, dad. Because even some people, some medical doctors tell people to do this on purpose.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
They call it the reintroduction phase. because they want you to see how you react. Now, in a formal process, you would reintroduce those foods one by one, right? Because if you reintroduce them all at the same time, you don't notice what food did what. So I said, let's at least do gluten and dairy because we're not gonna do the whole list that you're on. Let's at least do gluten and dairy.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
So let's start off with dairy. So you reintroduce dairy. Generally, he was fine. He felt a little bit of stuffy nose, which is still something, but he felt like, okay, I can handle this. And then a few days later on, after reintroducing dairy a little bit at a time over three to four days, then he did, he stopped the dairy again and he reintroduced gluten.
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And that was immediately the next morning, he noticed that pain come back. And that was a big aha moment for him. When you were describing these steps of, you know, stopping certain foods, elimination diet, and then going into repair, how important do you feel a reintroduction process is? And is that worth people trying out to really drive home what foods they're reacting to?
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
That's great. Thank you for that clarification. Thank you so much for watching. Remember, it's not about cutting out certain foods. It's about understanding your body and addressing the root issues that are driving various reactions or sensitivities.
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yeah and gut healing is really the key sort of thing yeah before we get into that just a little bit more about that phase one so what you know we talked about some of the things that people aren't really eating and you're removing a lot of things like you know gluten dairy sugar right just for how pervasive sugar is and metabolic health other things and that leading to a whole inflammatory cascade but what do typically people find themselves eating during this time period right if you would look at their meal like what are they eating for breakfast you know what are they eating for dinner
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during this period of time?
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
First up, I sit down with renowned integrative medicine practitioner, Dr. Akil, for an explanation on why certain foods can be so problematic for individuals with autoimmune diseases. And in the segment, Dr. Akil highlights the protocol he created to address these issues.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Can you explain what they are just for people who are not familiar with mung beans? Yeah.
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Yeah, and I think it's important to talk about what you can eat because when you think of it that way, people get very nervous, especially if they've been eating a more processed food diet, right? Even if it's a processed wellness diet, right? They've been eating a lot of avocado toast or whatever. Yeah.
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
They've been eating a lot of bread or pasta, or they've been eating a lot of packaged food that's there. Then they look at an elimination diet. By the way, this is for people who have a diagnosed autoimmune condition. Can you do it if you do not have a diagnosed autoimmune condition? Is this a program that you can do even if you don't have a diagnosis yet?
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Would that be called subclinical or sort of pre-autoimmune or something like that?
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Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
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Now, is there value in beating the crap out of yourself in the gym? Maybe, sometimes. I mean, I think mental fortitude is important. We probably need more of that nowadays. But that's not what makes a workout effective at all. Exercise is simply a signal that tells your body to adapt in a particular way. So let's use another form of adaptation as an example.
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Let's think of our body, our skin's ability to tan or darken when exposed to the sun. Would it be advantageous to get a tan by going outside and sunburning yourself every day? So if I go out, I need to go out there and burn really bad. That's how I'm going to get a suntan. No, of course not. If I did that, not only would I not get a tan, I would cause lots of damage.
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It would be miserable experience and I probably wouldn't want to do it anymore. Well, for some reason we approach exercise this way. You're gonna come into the gym, you've never worked out, or maybe you have a little bit of experience, and you're gonna crawl out of the gym, or you're gonna be so sore that you can't move for a few days, and yay, that was a great workout.
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No, all you've done is created a lot of damage and you've completely overcome your body's ability to adapt. Recovery and adaptation, by the way, are not the same thing. They're somewhat related, but they're not the same thing.
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we talk a little bit about recovery and that's important, but there's also our body's ability to, uh, overcompensate become better at than with, uh, withstanding the same stress next time. Okay. So let me explain what I'm talking about. Recovery is healing. Adaptation is changing. It's overcompensating.
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It's, I scratch my skin, I cause a little bit of abrasion, my skin heals over, that's recovery. Adaptation, I develop a little bit of a callus, okay? you can overcome your body's ability to adapt by just getting your body to want to heal, okay? Beat yourself up at the gym, you get sore, soreness kind of goes away, go back to the gym and beat myself up again. No room for adaptation.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
I'm literally on a hamster wheel. Recovery, damage, recovery, damage, no adaptation, okay? Some people take it even further and go beyond recovery. What we're looking for is the perfect amount of stress on my body to allow for the adaptation process to occur. Now the question is, what is that perfect amount of stress? Well, boy, that's different for everybody, okay? If you don't exercise now,
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
It doesn't take much at all to send the signal and to get your body to adapt. Not at all. If you sit on your couch all day long, I could have you do 10 squats, which you never do. And those 10 squats will send a signal to get your body stronger and you will adapt and you'll get stronger. And as you get stronger, the stress begins to change. The stress starts to change.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
This process is a slow process, but it should feel good. It should not feel like you're surviving Your workouts. You know, the other part of that is we people tend to approach exercise or diet from this place of self-hate, right? They get motivated to start working out because they saw a picture of themselves. Or they felt like they weren't attractive or inadequate. I'm fat. I'm too skinny.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
I'm unattractive. So the beating myself up initially is a bit cathartic as well. Like how many times have you heard this, right? Somebody goes to the gym. They're like, oh man, last night I ate too much food. I got to go sweat this out. I got to go beat myself up. And then they leave and they feel like they can barely move and like, that was a great workout, right?
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
It's like this cathartic self-flagellation, like punishment, right? Instead, try this. Go to the gym and think to yourself, how can I take care of myself? What's going to care for me like somebody I care about, okay? That'll help you train yourself a little bit more appropriately. You should also feel more energy after your workout than you did before. You should leave the gym feeling better.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
This is when people figure this out, by the way, people like to work out in the morning. People who really figure this out like to work out before they go to work. Because when they do it, they go to work and they feel sharp and energized. I could tackle my day. I feel great. That's how you should feel after your workouts. You should not feel like you survived. You should feel like you thrived.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
Now, it's, of course, what makes up the workout and the exercises and all that we could talk about. But what I just said will direct more people in the right direction than almost anything else. You should leave the gym feeling good, okay? Here's the other side of that. Here's another point.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
If you do that and you do it right and you're starting to see results, even if they're slow, but you feel good and you kind of enjoy going, what are we doing? we're developing a relationship with exercise that you're gonna wanna maintain. You're gonna wanna continue to go. We gotta think of this in those terms.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
We can't think of workouts in the terms of I can survive this for the next few months and then I'll figure it out afterwards. Like if you dread going, if you hate it, if you leave and you're sore and you can't move, And that self-hate eventually goes away and you just feel like crap and you're like, I don't want to do this anymore. Like you're done. You're not going to go anymore.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
And then you rebel, by the way. This is what happens is that people, you'll talk to people and they'll say things like, hey, how's your workout going? Oh, I stopped. I just want to enjoy my life. Like what? What do you mean you want to enjoy your life? The proper application of exercise and nutrition is...
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
There's almost nothing that will improve every facet of your life, literally, like simply becoming more fit and healthy in the real way and in the appropriate way. Nothing. Think of anything, right? Your ability to parent your kids or be a partner or work or sleep, connect with others. If you're more fit and healthy, everything gets better.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
And yet people say, I stop because I want to enjoy my life. Well, you were doing it wrong. You were definitely doing it wrong.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
Yeah, so let's talk about weight for a second because people are so focused on the scale, especially women, Because we've looked at that number and that number to us means something. I used to love telling people this. I'd say, I want to lose weight. And I'd say, okay, what kind of weight? And they'd look at me like, what are you talking about?
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
I'd say, well, we could cut your leg off and you'd lose weight. But that's obviously not the weight that you want to lose. Now, of course, that's an extreme example, but... Body composition is what matters.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
If you took a 150 pound woman at 35% body fat, let's say five foot four, and you took another woman who is five, four, 150 pounds, but her body fat percentage would say 20%, same body weight, they would look vastly different. They wouldn't even look the same. In fact, most people would guess that the 20 something percent body fat female weighed a lot less.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
This is because muscle takes up less space than body fat on a pound for pound basis. Something like, If you were to lose 10 pounds of body fat now and gain 10 pounds of body fat, excuse me, 10 pounds of muscle, so replace 10 pounds of body fat with 10 pounds of muscle, you would lose roughly a quarter of the size of your body, okay? So you weigh the same, but you're a lot smaller.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
But there's more to it than just that. That muscle obviously makes you more mobile. So that's great. You're stronger, more functional, feels different on the body, looks very different on the body. It improves your hormone profile. So it balances out things like estrogen and progesterone, growth hormone, helps modulate cortisol. So it's more appropriate.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
It helps regulate testosterone, which is also important to women, not just to men. By the way, testosterone in women, Same functions that you find in men. It helps with motivation. It helps with feeling drive, libido, energy, those types of things. So that muscle does a lot of things. But you weigh the same, right? You weigh the same.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
I used to have this trainer that worked for me, this female trainer. that I used to use, and we used to laugh about this. She was like one of my favorite sales tools because I would get a potential member of the gym that I'd give a tour to, and let's say it was a woman, and we would talk about the gym. And sometimes they'd say, oh, I'm not interested in the weights at all.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
I just want the cardio and the aerobics classes. And we'd talk all about strength training, and I'd explain to them, and they'd still be like, no, no, no, I'm not interested. And then I would do this challenge. I'd say, okay, I'm gonna call in one of my trainers. And if you could guess her body weight within 10 pounds, I'll give you a free membership for the next three months.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
It's almost like...
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
And they would say, I'll take that challenge. And I'd page this trainer and she would walk in and she was like 5'2", very sculpted, very fit. And I'd say, guess her body weight. And they would all guess like 100 pounds, 110 pounds. Then I'd have her stand on the scale. I forget how much she weighs, like 135 pounds. It would always blow their mind.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
And I'd say, you know, muscle and body fat look very, very different. So the scale just tells you total body mass. It doesn't tell you, you know, what it's made up of. So I want to paint – first I want to explain that because as we talk about muscle – I know people who are trying to lose weight, when they hear more muscle to them, they just feel like, I'm going to get bigger.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
Okay, I'm going to be a bigger version of me, just with more muscle. Yeah, yeah. No, it doesn't work that way. Now let's talk about the weight loss approach. The weight loss approach, if you look at it from its absolute most basic perspective, viewpoint, it's a calories in versus calories out equation. Now it's obviously far more complex than this, okay?
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
The human metabolism or mammalian metabolism is extremely complex and calories in versus calories out is like telling somebody who is in poverty, just make more money and save more money, right? It's like way more complex than just that, but that part's still true. So the calories in versus calories out, that is true. what it makes up of or what contributes to it is very complex.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
But let's talk about calories in versus calories out. We understood that equation for a long time. And so we said, okay, we're dealing with an obesity epidemic. People wanna lose weight. We need to reduce their calories. and we need to have them burn more calories. So the calorie reduction part, let's have them eat less. Okay, that's what they said with diet.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
And we can get into that, but there's far more effective and less effective ways of doing that. But then they looked at the calories outside of the equation. And what they said was, okay, movement, Movement burns calories. So let's look at all the forms of exercise. And the most valuable ones would be the ones that burn the most calories. And that's what we're going to tell people to do.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
And it sounds like it makes sense, right? Like, okay, if I'm trying to lose weight, trying to burn more calories, I should just pick the form of exercise that burns the most calories. The problem with that is it completely negates a very important factor with exercise, which is exercise gets your body to adapt. And those adaptations mean a lot. They mean a lot, okay?
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
So if I pick a form of exercise that just gets me to burn a lot of calories, let's say running, that's phenomenal. Now I'm burning a lot of calories, except, My body's adaptation process is gonna say this, we need more endurance, we need more stamina, we need to conserve more calories. We gotta be able to do this activity well and more efficiently.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
That's what your body is trying to do with that form of exercise. So you build stamina and endurance, You don't need much muscle at all for stamina endurance. In fact, you need very little muscle for that. So what your body does to become more efficient or slow down its metabolism, lower its calorie requirements, is it actually starts to pare muscle down, especially when you combine it
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
with low calories. And the studies are very clear on this. You diet and you run a lot or you diet and you do tons of let's say calorie burning activity, you see weight loss, but a significant portion of that weight loss is muscle. Now there's a misconception that you're burning the muscle for energy. That's not what's happening.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
Your body doesn't like to burn muscle for energy except in extreme situations. What it's doing is it's just paring it down. It's becoming more efficient. This is why, and by the way, everybody, almost everybody who's ever tried to lose weight has probably tried that approach. They've experienced the following, that initial 10 pound weight loss, and then hard plateau. What happened?
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
I'm doing three days or four days a week of this activity. I'm eating this low calorie diet. Why did I plateau? What happened? Well, what happened was your body adapted and learned how to perform and operate on the lower calories and on the calories that you're burning with that activity. And it's very, very intelligent on how it adapts to that. There was this incredible study that was done.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
They actually went and studied a modern hunter-gatherer tribe, the Hadza tribe. I'm sure you're familiar with it because people talk about it all the time. And scientists went down and studied them, and through some sophisticated testing, were able to figure out how many calories they burned on a regular basis. Now, remember, these are hunter-gatherers, okay?
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
So they don't have TVs and iPhones, and they gotta go hunt their food, they have to gather, they have to get water. They're far more active than the average Westerner. What they found at the end of the study was that they burned roughly the same amount of calories that the average Western couch potato burns. And you think, well, how's that possible? Well, that's how we evolved.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
If humans burned six or 7,000 calories a day as hunter-gatherers, we wouldn't be here. It is very hard to find calories in nature until we learned agriculture and we live in modern, now it's easy, calories are really easy to find. But if you go out in the wilderness and you gotta hunt for your food and gather your food, you're not gonna find 6,000 calories a day. Their body's adapted.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
So that's essentially what we're doing when we apply the wrong strategy to try to lose weight. Our bodies quickly adapt and nothing happens. And then what we do is we try to do more of the same. Well, I guess I need to do more exercise. I guess I need to cut my calories even more. Then you lose another seven pounds and you plateau again.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how unsustainable this is. Well, what do I end up at the end of this journey? I lost 30 pounds, but I'm eating 1100 calories a day. And five days a week, I'm on the treadmill for an hour. Most people don't want to do that forever. Or if they stop for a month, everything comes back on. It's miserable. Miserable.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
So what we should do with our approach with exercise is this. What form of exercise, forget the calorie burn while I'm doing the exercise, because that's inconsequential anyway. What kind of exercise is gonna do the opposite?
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
Like what form of exercise is going to teach my body or encourage my body to adapt in a way where it becomes less efficient with calories, where it wants to burn more calories on its own, where I don't have to constantly move to try to make this happen? Well, that's strength training. Nothing does it like strength training. The process of building muscle and having the extra muscle itself.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
By the way, it's not just the muscle. It's also the signal to build more muscle, both of which teach my body to burn more calories. And I would see this all the time with clients. I'd have a client who would lose 30 pounds and at the end of their weight loss journey was eating more than they did when they started. And here's the other side of strength training that's phenomenal.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
You don't need to do a lot of it. With strength training, the primary benefit is the adaptation, not the calorie burn. And for most people, that looks like a couple days a week. Now, if you wanna move into advanced strength training and really push yourself and compete in strength sports and all that stuff, well, then you're gonna need more than that. But for the average person,
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
You can get really far with what I'm talking about with like two days a week of appropriate strength training. So now I lost 30 pounds. I'm in the gym two days a week, maybe three days a week, and I'm eating more than I did before. That is a sustainable approach. That's the approach that I try to communicate on my podcast. And that's the one I learned with my clients.
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Don't Let The Scale Run Your Life: The Power of Focusing on Body Composition
Yeah, you know... We, the fitness space, social media now, but when I was a kid, it was magazines that we would read. It glorifies workouts like they're battles, like you're going to war and you're beating yourself up and you're crawling out of the gym. And by the way, if you don't do that, well, then your workout wasn't effective, right? we have to reframe what exercise really is.