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How to Make 2025 Your Best Year by Breaking Free of Habits that Hold You Back with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

Mon, 30 Dec 2024

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This episode is brought to you by Levels, Lifeforce, and Momentous. Stress, burnout, and procrastination are challenges many of us face, often without recognizing their roots or the ripple effects they have on our day. Today, Dr. Rangan Chatterjee joins us to explore the root causes of these struggles and how they hold us back from living our best lives. Today, on The Dhru Purohit Show, Dhru sits down with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee to explore the power of an intentional morning routine and the impact a lack of routine can have on our day. Dr. Chatterjee breaks down the three key factors of an optimal morning routine, explains why knowledge alone isn’t enough, and reveals the hidden forces that block lasting change. He also dives into the four key pillars of health, how to self-assess, and practical tips for creating lasting behavior change. Ready to supercharge 2025 and make lasting transformations? This episode is for you! Dr. Rangan Chatterjee is one of the most influential doctors in the UK. A practicing GP for over two decades, he is dedicated to inspiring people to transform their health through small, sustainable lifestyle changes. He is also the host of the #1 Apple podcast Feel Better, Live More and the author of five Sunday Times bestselling books. His TED talk, How to Make Diseases Disappear, has garnered over 4.8 million views. In this episode, Dhru and Dr. Chatterjee dive into: The 3 M’s for an optimal morning routine (00:00:30) Turning knowledge into daily habits (10:14) Disruptive practices that derail morning routines (20:34) Hidden forces that prevent lasting change (30:57) Learning to trust yourself (38:42) Embracing discomfort and cultivating self-knowledge (45:54) Self-assessment and behavior change (59:03) Nine body signals for interoception (1:09:05) Feeling stuck, self-criticism, and regrets (1:18:26) Overcoming perfectionism as a barrier to progress (1:25:13) Four key pillars of health (1:29:36) Uncovering the “why” behind lasting change (1:41:47) Final thoughts (1:48:48) Also mentioned in this episode: Dr. Chatterjee’s new book, Make Changes That Last For more on Dr. Chatterjee, follow him on Instagram, X/Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcast, and his Website. This episode is brought to you by Levels, Lifeforce, and Momentous. Right now, Levels is offering my listeners an additional 2 FREE months of the Levels annual Membership when you use my link, levels.link/DHRU. Make moves on your metabolic health with Levels today.  Right now, you can save $250 on your first diagnostic and get personalized suggestions. Optimize your longevity and track your progress; go to mylifeforce.com/dhru!  Optimize your energy and mental clarity with the Momentous Three: Protein, Omega-3s, and Creatine made by and used by the best. Go to livemomentous.com and enter promo code DHRU to get 20% off any order.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What are the 3 M’s for an optimal morning routine?

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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee, welcome back to the podcast. You know, I want to talk about stress, burnout, procrastination. These are things that a lot of people are plagued with. And I know for my audience, they think about how they start the day and their morning specifically sets the tone for the rest of the day. I have a big question for you. But if you had

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an optimal morning routine to help tackle these things, stress, burnout, procrastination, what would that look like?

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30.305 - 48.816 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

I think that morning routines are one of the most important things that we can do for our health and wellbeing to tackle stress, burnout, procrastination, but frankly, so many other things as well. But I think morning routines can become really confusing for people because they listen to different influencers, tell them about their morning routines.

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Sometimes they hear people say they have a one hour morning routine and then they feel, how does that apply to me? I'm a busy person. I've got lots of things to do. I don't have one hour in the morning. And I think everyone can create a morning routine that works for them. And here's the truth, Drew, that a lot of people don't realize. We've all got a morning routine.

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The question is, are we intentional about that routine? We all do certain things every day. If you get up each morning and the first thing you do is look at your phone and read negative news headlines and do your work emails whilst you're still in bed, That's a routine. That's a behavior you're repeating that you maybe did the day before and the day before that.

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And that's going to have a downstream consequence later on in the day. In fact, your initial question said stress, burnout, and procrastination. I hear those things and I want to go upstream and go, those are downstream symptoms of other things that we're going to talk about today.

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But the way I've helped my patients for many years craft a morning routine that works for them is by something that I call the 3M framework. It's what I use myself and it's what I've taught thousands of patients over the years. Okay, so there's 3Ms, mindfulness, movement, and mindset. I'm a huge fan of people being able to personalize

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their health behaviors, their routines based upon what works for them. Although I've been a doctor for 23 years and seen tens of thousands of patients through, I still can't tell every single one of your listeners what the perfect routine for them is because I don't know their life. I don't know the pressures on their life. I don't know how much time they've got.

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But I can provide them a framework so they can find within that framework what's going to work for them. Okay, so the first M is mindfulness. That can be any form of mindfulness. It can be meditation. It could be breath work. It could be sipping your cup of coffee in silence, paying attention to the taste, any practice of mindfulness.

Chapter 2: How can we turn knowledge into daily habits?

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And the third M and how I like to end off my own morning routine is with a practice that I call mindset. Something to get me in a positive frame of mind for the day ahead. As I talk about mindset, Drew,

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I think to myself that when I look around me, whether it's patients in the past, whether it's friends, whether it's wider society, people don't realise how much of how they feel is influenced by the content they're consuming. So many of our thoughts, our feelings, our behaviours are downstream from what we did first thing in the morning. Very simply, we can take two scenarios.

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One scenario where you wake up late, you're in bed, you keep pressing snooze, you're looking at negativity on social media, on news, on email, whatever it might be. Is it any wonder if 20 minutes later, you're a bit reactive with your partner? You feel stressed, you feel as if you're burning out. You feel as if you're procrastinating. Is it any wonder?

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Why don't we contrast that to a morning, let's say you only have 10 minutes, where you're not consuming from the outside. You're spending a bit of time on yourself, tuning into your body's own signals, putting positive things in your brain. Is it any wonder? Would it really surprise people to think, yeah, you know what, if I start my day like that,

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in a more of a calm state, a more of a positive state, well, I'm probably going to be more present with my partner, less reactive with my children, more productive when I get to work. So I think it's really quite profound how we start each day. As you said in your question, much of your audience already know that what you do first thing in the morning sets the tone for the rest of the day.

307.553 - 327.043 Dhru Purohit

You know, piggyback off of that, and this is a big part of today's conversation, is that oftentimes we know things, but we're not always doing them. There's nobody here listening today that hasn't thought that or hasn't heard that a morning routine could be useful to them. That's personalized for their life and their situation.

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And yet sometimes, and I'm guilty of it too, we don't actually do what we know. Why is that? All right, newsflash. If you don't have good blood sugar, meaning if your blood sugar is out of whack, which means that your metabolic health is out of whack, you're going to suffer. It's truly one of the biggest predictors of longevity.

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Chapter 3: What are the disruptive practices that derail morning routines?

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Chapter 4: What hidden forces prevent lasting change?

638.149 - 660.448 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

I'm imagining that most people who listen to your podcast, Drew, already know that excess sugar intake is going to have a negative impact on their health in some way. Most people who are consuming too much alcohol and listen to your show have probably heard previous guests talk about the impact of alcohol on our metabolic health, on our sleep, on our liver, whatever it might be.

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But the question then becomes, well, why are people not doing it, right? They've got the knowledge, but they're not doing it. And I believe it's because they haven't taken the time to understand the root cause of what's coming on. Okay, so all too often, we try and change our behaviors without understanding the role that they play in our life. So I'll give you an example.

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Let's take sugar and alcohol because I think they're two common things that people are often trying to change their relationship with. So it's not uncommon in January, people will go 30 days with no sugar, 30 days with no alcohol, And you know what? They can do it. But often, by the middle of February, they're back to their previous intake. Why is that? They can do 30 days without.

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That's not a problem. I think we can all make short-term change. But most of us aren't looking for short-term change. We're looking for long-term change. And to try and put it really simply for your audience, if stress is driving your alcohol intake, sure, you can quit in January, but you'll always go back to where you were unless one of two things happens.

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Either you have to reduce the amount of stress in your life, so you'll naturally need less alcohol, or the stress stays the same and you find an alternative behaviour to manage the stress that's not alcohol. But we don't go upstream and look at these factors enough. Even within medicine, you know my profession, We think that giving people more information is what we need.

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But we're drowning, Drew, in health information these days, right? With podcasts, with books, with blogs, with media. There's so much health information out there. Frankly, it gets confusing for people. They know what they should be doing. but they're not able to do it. So that's one way of answering your question as to what's going on there.

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I think another element to that though is you said, well, why are people not doing morning routines when they know that they may get benefits? And there's a couple of ways to think about that, Drew. One reason is, It's because they think it takes too long and they say, I'm too busy. You, Dr. Chastity, talking about morning routines, you don't understand my life.

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You don't understand the pressures on me that I've got three kids and that my husband leaves early for work and it's all on me. And they're right, I don't understand their lives. But I've seen many patients in that position over the course of my career. And there's one patient in particular I remember who was a single mum. I think she had two kids, maybe three kids, but I think it was two.

Chapter 5: How can we learn to trust ourselves?

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And she was really struggling with her skin, like really, really bad skin flares, eczema. was the cause, right? And her life fell out of control. She was always stressed. She felt close to burnout. And she would be interested in health, but she wasn't able to take action. And I spoke to her about a morning routine, and she almost laughed at me.

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She said, Dr. Chastity, I don't sign for a morning routine, okay? You don't get my life. I'm busy. And I said, okay, let's go through that. I said, do you have 10 minutes? She goes, no. I said, do you have five minutes? Well, yeah, I've probably got five minutes. I said, okay, would you be open to me helping you create a morning routine that only takes you five minutes? She said, okay, sure.

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So I used that 3M framework to help her create a morning routine that worked for her. Not for me, that worked for her. The first M is mindfulness. What does she do? One minute of breathing. So I have a breath that I call the 3-4-5 breath that's very calming and relaxing. As I think you've covered previously on your show, Drew,

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Any time that our out breath is longer than our in breath, we have to switch off the stress part of our nervous system and promote the relaxation part of our nervous system, okay? So the three, four, five breath is really simple. Breathe in for three, hold for four, breathe out for five. One of those breaths takes 12 seconds. Five of them take one minute, okay?

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So for one minute, she would do three, four, five breathing. Then for two minutes, she would do the second M, which is movement. So with her, I discovered what she liked and she used to do yoga and she quite liked her yoga practice, but she hadn't done it in years. I said, do you have a few favorite moves? She goes, yeah, there's two or three things I really like doing.

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I said, okay, why don't we put that together in a little two minute sequence for you? And then the final M, mindset, For her, we chose to do affirmations, these short positive statements to kind of imprint positivity into your mind. And I can't quite remember now what it was, but I think it was for her. For two minutes, she would literally say, I'm happy, I'm calm, I'm stress-free.

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I'm happy, I'm calm, I'm stress-free. Now, here's what happened. This is a lady whose life felt out of control. She was really struggling with the pressure in her life and her skin. She started doing that five-minute morning routine and things significantly started to change very quickly. She started to feel more in control of her life.

Chapter 6: Why should we embrace discomfort for self-knowledge?

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Within a week or two, she started to go for a 30 minute walk at lunchtime, right? There was what I call the ripple effect. I've written about that in many of my books. This idea that one small change done consistently starts to build momentum. You change the way that you view yourself. You start to make other positive changes later on throughout the day, throughout the week, whatever it might be.

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And I think two to three weeks later, she came back to see me and her skin was over 50% better. I hadn't reversed her condition, but stress was driving and exacerbating her skin conditions. By helping her create a five-minute morning routine that worked for her, it led to so many other positive effects. Yes, her skin, but she also told me that she had more energy.

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She was more present with her children. And generally her life felt more in control. So I'm a huge fan of morning routines. And the key lesson there for me is that we've all got time for some kind of morning routine, even one minute. It will make a difference because there's the intention that you're saying, no, I'm not going to be a victim to the world and all the noise around me.

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I'm going to take at least one minute today to intentionally start my day. Actually, one thing I've realized over the years, and a lot of it sort of underpins, these ideas underpin what I've been writing about for the past two and a half years in my new book, right? One of the most toxic things I believe that we can do for ourselves is say we're going to do something and not do it.

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We say, I'm going to meditate this year, but we don't do it. And I'll tell you why it's so toxic, because we feel as if we're failing. We, I think, have both spoken on our podcast in the past to Vanessa Van Edwards, the body language expert. And I remember, June, when I spoke to her, she said, Rangan,

1078.015 - 1101.9 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

Whenever we're meeting another human being for the first time, we're asking ourselves two questions. Can I trust them? Can I rely on them? But Drew, we're also asking ourselves those same two questions every day. Can I trust myself? Can I rely on myself? When we say we're going to do something and we don't do it, We basically tell our subconscious minds, I can't trust myself.

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I can't rely on myself. And so what I've often said to my patients for years is, make one small promise to yourself each day and keep it. And we can put a morning routine into that framework. I do a five minute strength workout every single morning and I've rarely missed a day in five years. Okay, I keep it really easy. Five minutes while my coffee's brewing.

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I think I've spoken about that on your show before. Even if I get really, really busy and I can't do all three M's of my morning routine, I still do that middle M, the movement. And yes, I think it keeps me in decent shape and it helps me look after myself. but it does something much more powerful than that true.

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And I think this is what everyone who's interested in improving their health, their happiness, their longevity really needs to understand.

Chapter 7: What are the nine body signals for interoception?

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I can't remember what she was doing exactly in contrast, but it would be typically things that I see, such as get up a bit late,

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feel like you're rushing from the first minute of the day, doing a few emails and tasks in bed just to get ahead straight away, feel like you're rushing around trying to get the kids ready, shouting at them because they're not quite ready for school on time and you have to go to work, this kind of constant stress and rush.

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Another way I guess I can frame this to people, which I think may land, is around the concept of what I call microstress doses or MSDs. I think this is one of the concepts that patients love the most because it really helps them see their life. And I think this might be a nice way of answering your question.

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The typical morning for many people these days goes something like this, a version of this. We're living these stressed out lives, right? So let's say someone's got a job. They don't like it. They're stressed out. They come back late. They stay up a bit late trying to de-stress and they start binge watching something on Netflix because it helps them numb out and it helps them switch off.

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And they stay up a bit later than they want to. So let's say they go to bed at midnight. Okay. Here's how the morning often goes. Their alarm goes off at 6 a.m. to wake them up for work. Let me just explain what I call a micro stress dose, an MSD. A micro stress dose is a little dose of stress that in isolation we can handle just fine.

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The problem isn't the micro stress dose, it's the fact that they accumulate one after the other. And so when we accumulate all these micro stress doses, we get closer to what I call our own personal stress threshold. And when we get to our personal stress threshold, that's when things go wrong. That's when we overreact to an email that our colleague sends us.

1359.578 - 1381.665 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

That's when we have a row with our partner or snap at our children. That's when our neck goes into spasm or our backache starts. It's because we've crossed our own personal stress threshold. Okay, so let's go back to that scenario where someone stayed up late the night before. They're in a deep sleep, they're tired, and their alarm goes off on their phone, which is typically next to their bed.

1381.805 - 1402.816 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

Okay, The alarm goes off, that's micro stress dose number one, because it's jolted you out of your deep sleep. You look at the phone and go, I can do five more minutes. You press snooze, it goes off again. Six minutes later, the alarm goes off again, micro stress dose number two. Then you pick up the phone. Whilst you're still in bed, you go to your email inbox.

1403.076 - 1416.402 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

Oh man, there's three work emails I didn't do yesterday. I'm going to have to do that. Micro stress dose number three. Then you go to one of your favorite social media channels and you see that someone's been mean to you on your last post. Micro stress dose number four. Then you go to the news.

Chapter 8: How do we overcome perfectionism as a barrier to progress?

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Chapter 9: What are the four key pillars of health?

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1859.198 - 1882.403 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

The title of the book, I think, says it all, doesn't it? Make change that lasts. Inferred in that title, as you have just explained, is that we struggle to make long-lasting change. We can all do short-term change. There's two ways of looking at it, right? The superficial way is about habit formation, right? How do we create healthy habits?

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1882.944 - 1899.232 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

And there's been elements of that in the conversation so far. I mentioned this five-minute strength workout that I do each morning, and it follows two of the key principles of behavior change. One, make it easy. Why do you make it easy? Because motivation goes up and motivation goes down. If you make something difficult,

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1899.932 - 1924.105 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

You will do it when your motivation's high, but you won't do it when your motivation's low. So you plan for that and go, if I make it easy, I'll do it both when my motivation's high and my motivation's low. That's the first rule. The second rule of habit formation, for me at least, is where do we put that new behavior into our lives? And every behavior we do needs a trigger.

1924.685 - 1940.83 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

There's all kinds of triggers. There's your memory, which works. It's just very unreliable. There's Google Calendar notifications. There's Post-it notes on the fridge. These are all triggers to do a behavior. But the very best trigger, as evidenced by the research, is when we stick on that behavior onto an existing habit.

1941.79 - 1967.773 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

So why have I rarely missed a day of a five-minute strength workout in over five years now? Because I follow those two rules. It only takes five minutes and I do it whilst my coffee brews. Okay, so my coffee making in the morning is a habit. I don't need a reminder. It's an automatic behavior that I do without any conscious thought. I know how I like my coffee. I time it to brew for five minutes.

1968.533 - 1987.326 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

In those five minutes, I don't go on email, Instagram, YouTube, whatever. I do a workout in my pajamas. I've made it easy and I stick on the new behavior onto an existing habit. So that's one reason why we struggle is because we don't follow these basic principles. But I still think that's a superficial answer.

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And the reason I spent two and a half years, Drew, diving deep in writing what I consider to be my most impactful book to date It's because I was trying to solve this problem. I was looking around and going, we're living in a world where we've never had more access to more health information, right? We've got more health podcasts, more health books, more blogs.

Chapter 10: What is the ‘why’ behind lasting change?

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And one day she was in clinic with a gentleman who was overweight, who had type 2 diabetes. And she was explaining to this patient all the negatives of too much sugar and too many ultra processed foods. And she was giving him all the science. And he just said at one point, why should I listen to you? You're fatter than I am. So she called me, she was upset, she wanted to talk.

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And when we got together, she said, hey, the thing is Rangan, My patient was right. My patient was absolutely right. Here I am lecturing him about the problems with excess sugar intake. And in my drawer, I have all these packets of Cadbury's giant buttons. right?

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2108.864 - 2109.604 Dhru Purohit

Very British of her.

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2110.385 - 2131.261 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

Yeah, but knowledge is not enough. You need knowledge. You're in the game of knowledge. You have a great podcast. You share knowledge each week. I try and share knowledge each week, but we think we need more external knowledge. I would argue that most people don't. Some people do. Some people don't know the basics of good health, right? That is true. They need knowledge for sure.

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2131.921 - 2155.308 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

But if you've already got the knowledge... but you're not doing the behavior, you've got to ask yourself why. And that's what I tackle, right? And so let's go into what are those things? I think we're not going upstream enough. I think a lot of us don't realize that our daily behaviors, let's talk about our food intake, how much we move, whether we prioritize sleep or not.

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These things, you can call them habits, but but I like to call them symptoms. Their symptoms are further upstream problems. And I think what a lot of us don't realize is the way we interact with the world, the way we deal with conflict, the beliefs we hold about the world absolutely influence and impact our behaviors. In fact, the more I think about human behavior, the more I believe that

2183.385 - 2208.398 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

Our beliefs drive our behaviours. So if you don't go upstream to question your beliefs and alter those beliefs, because you can, you don't come out of the womb with those beliefs. You've absorbed those beliefs from your parents, from culture, from society. And so there's nine chapters in the book. I call them reliances, right? What I say in the book, and I really believe this, is that many of us

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2209.534 - 2229.685 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

are overly reliant on things in our external world going a certain way in order to feel good. We need there to be no traffic. We need our boss to be nice to us. We need our kids to put their shoes away and got ready for school on time. We need the barista to smile at us and not ignore us when we get our coffee. If everything goes well, we're well.

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2230.166 - 2251.942 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

But when those things don't go the way we want, we don't feel good. And that not feeling good leads to these poor behaviors. So we're trying to change the behaviors without realizing our approach with the world is what is causing those behaviors in the first place. That's why people can listen to as many podcasts as they want, read as many books as they want.

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But unless they do the inner work of understanding where does my belief system come from, I think they're really going to struggle in the long term. So I mentioned some of these reliances in the external world, right? These little things that we want, no traffic, our boss to be nice to us. And I get why you might want those things to happen.

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2271.836 - 2294.226 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

But if you're reliant on the external world being a certain way in order for you to feel good, you're basically like a puppet. You can only feel good when things line up perfectly in your outside world, And they're never going to. They might do now and again, but they're not going to do consistently. So you're putting your inner wellbeing in forces and events that you cannot control.

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So I say in the book that what we're looking for is a state of what I call minimal reliance. At the moment, we're maximally reliant on certain things and certain beliefs. I'm not saying go to zero reliance, and I'll explain why later on, but we need minimal reliance. We need to be less reliant on certain things outside ourselves.

2314.255 - 2340.053 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

And so in the book, I go through nine reliances, big reliances that I think are holding people back. I'll give you an example. Chapter one, it's called Trust Yourself. And that is all about our over-reliance on experts. Okay, now look, I'm sitting before you, Drew, as someone who's a medical doctor and has been for 23 years. So I am considered a so-called expert.

2340.073 - 2358.93 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

I don't know if you face this with your audience, Drew. And I know you're a great host and you try and interrogate, not interrogate, you try and dive deep with your guests. What I would often find on my podcast, right, is one week you would talk to a guest, like a well-credentialed guest, let's say a medical doctor from Harvard.

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He or she may have a certain view on a certain diet that's best for human health, and they will present evidence to support that diet. And maybe two months later, you'll have a different expert on from a really well-reputable, esteemed institution who actually has a different opinion. but also has evidence to back up their opinion. And so there's two different diets being promoted.

2385.775 - 2406.933 Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

And what I'd often find is that my audience would contact me, let's say on Instagram, on a DM and say, hey, Dr. Chastity, I'm really confused. This expert said this diet is best. This other expert said this diet is best. I don't know which expert to trust. And I've spent a lot of time thinking about this too, and I think that's the wrong question. The question shouldn't be,

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