Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper with Carl Radke! After months of pining, Summer House star Carl Radke has finally accepted his invitation to bare it all on the couch. From Lindsay Hubbard, sobriety, and family, to team Wes or Ciara and rumors surrounding his past with Paige– Carl gets into it all. You really won’t want to miss this! “Bravo’s going to kill me right now.” Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/ To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [email protected] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [email protected] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles Thank You to Our Sponsors: BILT - Start earning points on rent you’re already paying by going to https://joinbilt.com/viall Mack Weldon - Get the perfect gifts for him from Mack Weldon. Go to https://www.MackWeldon.com and get 25% off your first order of $125 or more, with promo code VIALL. Robinhood - The new gold standard is here with Robinhood Gold. To receive your 3% boost on annual IRA contributions, sign up at https://robinhood.com/gold OUAI - Go to https://theouai.com and use code VIALL for 15% off any product. Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (03:22) - Scared To Come On (11:29) - The Breakup (20:58) - Sobriety And Loss (47:35) - Softer Lindsay (55:54) - Debunking (57:40) - Kyle (01:01:07) - Careers (01:07:35) - Pregnancy (01:12:44) - Paige and Craig (01:19:10) - Love Life (01:20:24) - Next Season (01:30:05) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @carlradke @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell
Chapter 1: What made Carl Radke hesitant to join the podcast?
All right, everybody.
This is a really nice set, guys. Thanks, buddy.
Looks great.
It's funny what you think it's going to look like. What did you think it looked like? You have no idea.
Like you'd push this and it'd fall down?
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe higher ceilings. Yeah, I wish they were higher ceilings. I didn't know what to expect. A lot of people say that when they come to watch what happens live with Andy. They're like, it's tiny.
Oh, yeah.
you know I don't after you go through it you're like I didn't realize how small I mean TV in general like the first time we went to the first time I got to go like to a David Letterman taping I was like is that you know you think it's gonna be like he this big auditorium same with like SNL I went to SNL last year as a guest and it was like tiny I was like blown away by how but like they do so much in that little area
Oh yeah. All of like the set changes and stuff. Exactly.
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Chapter 2: How did Carl Radke navigate his past breakup with Lindsay?
He's come around. Yeah. Well, it's funny that we recap Vanderpump on our, like, Valve House Plus. And, like, last two weeks ago, it was Summer House Rules. Yes. The first episode I was ever on. Reality.
Well, yeah. Sort of. You look fresh there.
Real fresh.
True story. That first episode, I had come back from a bachelor party in Ibiza. I almost said Ibiza, but I don't want to get punched just yet. Yeah.
um i got i went on a seven-day bachelor party and i returned and i had 24 hours and then that morning i met kyle at his apartment in soho and we drove to the hamptons in my company car for the first day of filming and he told me in the front seat he's like yeah we're doing something with these girls from la i was like
he told me what vanderpump rolls i didn't know really what it was did you know you were going there to try to film a reality tv show i knew something was going to be like we're going to be followed around but kyle was like we're just going to do what we always do party and have a good time and they'll follow us around and kind of do what we were normally doing so it didn't seem like that disruptive toward regular that's the schedule programming yeah well lindsay reminded me when we interviewed her is that because i was like
pretty sure I've met Lindsay but I don't really remember she had a PR career that flourished well before I think it was after you guys' first season and I was it was right after I was The Bachelor and I was in New York I don't know doing something and we had some mutuals and Lindsay was there and she's like
yeah i'm on this new show i hadn't watched i was like i don't give a fuck yeah you know like she's like pitching me this shoe and i'm like fresh i'm like the bachelor so i probably have a big head or something and like fucking seven years later you guys how many years now that was like 2007 season nine yeah seven like seven eight years yeah the first season filmed in the summer of 2016 but it didn't air until 2017.
Oh, that's crazy. That's crazy. Well, welcome, Carl. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Great to have you. Yeah. Appreciate it. It's great to meet you guys in person. My team and I, we always love to come up with like really, maybe you've seen a couple like sizzles and promos for our shows. Oh, yeah.
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Chapter 3: What challenges did Carl face regarding sobriety?
You guys, whoever's on the editing squad is crushing. It takes a village.
Yeah.
I mean, Hollywood trailer like. True. The one for, you know, the one I'm talking about. Oh yeah. That was, I was, that was my, my heart race faster. Sorry about that.
Sorry about that.
I get it. You guys made a great, great show.
So, well, uh, we were discussing what should Carl's be, you know, And Leah reminded me that, you know, we've talked about you a couple times. Yeah. She reminded me that when West came out, that I suggested that you might be too afraid to come on the show.
No, I initially was like, I don't do a ton of these kinds of things.
No, I know. You don't do any.
Because I always felt like just let the show speak for itself in a way. I'm happy to do podcasts about mental health or sobriety, like really diving deep there. But sometimes within the show, half of our fights over the last three or four seasons have been because of stuff like this. And that's where I know in other shows it's created a lot of conflict.
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Chapter 4: How did Carl's family dynamics affect his addiction?
Like I felt like I was telling, talking to my mom about coming on to this and I was explaining who he was and his, what I know of Nick and And, you know, she, I think recognized you or was familiar, but I just said, she's like, well, why would you want to go on that? If, you know, if maybe you have a bad feeling or I didn't have a bad feeling, but I was just saying like, I'm nervous maybe.
And she's like, this is a chance to go start a fresh chapter with someone. And you have a whole new audience that Nick talks to. And maybe there's a chance for you to like, just show that who you really are in the last year. And so I didn't want to build any resentment or anxiety from the past. I'm trying to work through all that stuff.
Well, that I appreciate that. And thank your mom for giving you that extra boost. on the show I'm just like as you talking I'm you know like you said like you and you and Lindsay it's like reality world timing is so fucking crazy it's like we interviewed Lindsay like a year and a half ago it was right after BravoCon in Vegas okay so it was November of 2020
But yes, you know, and so much has happened and like, you know, Lindsay came on here and like said her truth. Obviously we heard her point of view. We were, you know, a lot of like, Oh my God, I can't believe Carl. Sorry to laugh. I'm just laughing. You know, like, and then I will say though, like we did watch the season in full. We got to watch it. And I don't think, I mean,
usually when i have a pov i'm like you know i feel good about this but you guys like it was like one episode i was like man i don't know like fuck carl then it was just like i think lindsey really fucked him over here like what is going on i really didn't know where i stood i mean again i really felt like there were times i was empathizing with you and it was like maybe lindsey is just like i don't know like maybe she just needs and then sometimes i was like i don't know carl
yeah so it was i'm glad that we finally have you here because it was it really was a storyline that seemed to have more than just one side it did and there's always two sides i think you know someone says it best there's you know there's two sides and then there's the truth you know i her her feelings are valid all of it her experience is valid and what she you know went through and i don't want to undermine that but yeah like i all i know at the end of the day i feel like the right decision was made that we should not move forward with the wedding now how it was
how it all unfolded how everything went i mean you could always pick up put that apart but i struggle with some of it just because it was such a difficult summer um in that particular conversation like i didn't set her up with producers like they were already doing pickup filming after we had wrapped that last day and knew we weren't in a good place so we were going to have to talk on camera one way or another but how that conversation actually played out is literally how it played out like i didn't walk into that wanting to end it but
Unfortunately, that's kind of how it all distilled out. But the falling out of it all from that day was what made it... I didn't process at all what was going to happen after you have that conversation. And within an hour of that, it was on the internet. We had broken up. I went down the street to a hotel to get some space. I stayed in that hotel that night.
And then the next morning, I had gotten a text from her friend saying, hey, if you want to stop back and get some things from the apartment, because I was going to go back and visit my mom in Pittsburgh. I went back to the apartment and there was... I met a producer there to get some stuff. And as I'm coming out of the apartment, there's paparazzi outside of the house. And I was like, holy shit.
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Chapter 5: What insights did Carl share about his brother's addiction?
where I probably should have been like, you know, I really need to stay like focused on me and not enter into a relationship. I was advised by many people in AA and other groups, stay sober a year, like don't enter a relationship. And I did break that rule with her. Now, the argument I made to myself was we're best friends. We've known each other forever. When you're in love. Yeah.
And I don't know, it's... I've learned a ton over the last couple of years as a result of this whole thing. And I don't have any regret. I'm glad I tried to pursue a relationship with her. I wish I could have handled things differently. I never wanted to hurt her. But I think you'll see after watching this new season of the show, it was kind of wild to see her.
It made me, in a weird way, happy because I saw her happy outside of me. She had a really fun summer with the rest of the group. People actually said like, I wish she was pregnant more often, you know, like, cause she was just happier and just in a lighter mood. Um, and her demeanor was for the most part, really positive, which was nice.
So less activated, Lindsay, very less activated and even funnier. We both were, you know, she had her non-alcoholic drinks. I had mine now we didn't cross pollinate. She had her own, but
Do you think you will always know your intention going into the day you broke up with her and she'll always have her perception and they'll always be different?
Yeah, I think probably some realities will be different. Um, but I think, like I said, I, I lived that summer, you know, and I, one thing I want to remind people that I don't think are fully aware is we had gone into couples therapy about a month after we got engaged the prior summer. So we got engaged at the end of August.
We went into couples therapy about October and it was like, we had still had these kind of conflicts and this challenge of communication styles. And I'm not kidding. Like we, at one point in our couples therapy did a Gottman exam and a Gottman exam is each couple takes it individually.
Then the therapist reviews the results and then has meetings with you individually to kind of understand more about the psychological things going on in the relationship. And I'm telling you, the alarm was sounded big time when these tests were revealed individually.
That's like the couple, they're all the couple and they can predict with like 98% accuracy based on how you communicate, you know, whether you will get divorced or not.
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Chapter 6: How did Carl's experiences shape his view on mental health?
Well, I mean, I've said this. Someone asked me, I was at Tom Tom on Saturday. Shout out to saying hi to Schwartz. Yeah, they had a little brunch. How's Tommy doing? He's good. He seems good. Actually, almost like a weight lifted off his shoulders almost now that the other things have been kind of closed.
I think he was, I mean, the amount of cash they were burning and all of it, but he seems like in a really good place. Um, but someone asked me on Saturday, like here I am standing at Tom Tom, people are ripping shots and I'm just drinking a mocktail. And then people are like, how do you film summer house with around all these people?
And I, I mean this, I wouldn't be on summer house if I did drink. Because I wouldn't be there. I literally would not be there. Anybody who knows earlier summers, the show, I drank on the car rides out. My famous term was playing through. So I'd go out Thursday night in New York City, play through, shower, go to the production car the next morning.
I'd have either a brown paper bag of twisted tea or whatever I wanted. And that's what I did for many summers.
When do you think you realized you had an addiction to cocaine and alcohol?
Honestly, I didn't want to admit it fully. I'll never forget. There was a, she's a woman, she's an executive at one of the companies we work with and she's been very, very helpful and supportive of me over the years. And, you know, they knew what was going on.
They were mic'd up half the time and they could see certain things, but I was basically sat down at one point in 2019 by executives that were like, Hey, we're, we're concerned. I was like, okay, it's my drinking. I got it figured out. No, it wasn't just my drinking, but I thought I could just get away with saying it's just my drinking.
But anybody who knew Carl knew that one drink and it was on, it was on always. But she had at one point said to me, Carl, and I'll never forget it. She looked at me and she's like, is it just your drinking?
and i started like unraveling because for the first time i actually had someone call me out and say i know it's not just alcohol it's it's coke and pills and all the other shit as a result i would take xanax to kind of come down i would take ambient to help sleep all the things but um it still wasn't like right away like i'm gonna go to you know get my help i did it in my own you know bullish alpha male way like i'll figure it out i'll you know do this but
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Chapter 7: What is Carl's perspective on reality TV and personal narrative?
Man, so he was doing that shit for a while. Yeah.
yeah and that's what's even crazier and i think how i am at peace with it my brother is in a safer place he lived a very hard life and a lot of folks who are in severe heroin addiction my dad used to take him to the methadone clinic and have you ever seen the show on fx um with michael keaton yeah dope sick yeah i i couldn't get i couldn't get through it it's
it's very painful to watch some of that because of just that world is very it's upsetting it's very it's just it's it's unbelievable but my dad made the comment to me when he would take him there he's like you don't see any old people there literally 22 year old kids walking out there's nothing on click you don't see anybody past that he's like you know why i'm like of course so my brother lived well past most people but um
The way I look at it now, like if I could have changed and gone back that episode of Summer House and not get that call while we're filming, I would have done that. But the way I look at it and the way I've turned it over is my brother at his core, I was told this after he passed, but like in rehabs, he would administer Narcan to other people. Wow.
kind of leading little groups of the younger guys being like hey i'm 44 like still or whatever how old he was he always wanted to help people and as a vehicle through me if i you know can tell his story and honor myself by getting sober getting help like what kind of person am i you know if i don't do that after going through something like that i felt like it was honoring my family honoring my brother and honoring myself was like i had to really look in the mirror here
Um, and I wouldn't have really done that if my brother had not, you know, had that happen, but it happening so publicly, I mean, I've had thousands and thousands and thousands of messages. I'm sure like Mary and Robert have been getting in that kind of accolade and love. That to me was the amount of people that I've touched and my brother touched and helped maybe one or two people.
Then I think my brother would say like, that that's a plus, right? Like I would do anything to get him back, but.
What's something that you loved about your brother?
He had an amazing sense of humor. I said this yesterday to someone. The show Arrested Development, when it first came out on Fox, was not... People did not go, this is amazing. It got basically canceled after the first season. But my brother used to watch Arrested Development first season. And I just remember him laughing to this show. And I'm like, why is this funny?
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Chapter 8: How does Carl Radke handle the pressures of public life?
You know, but like, you know, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure I've said something that like if the audience was hearing, you know, it's like a
man like what am i supposed to say man i just try to tell you how i feel and everything that you guys do is on camera for us to break down and dissect and be like what did you fucking say do you ever struggle yes i do a little bit but i've again this is the growth in me i hope a little bit is i've tried to take a lot of that and i've been fortunate to be on this for now nine seasons and use a lot of what you we're going through stuff in real time it's being recorded and then we
are now reliving it later on with a lot more amplification and quality production and all of that. But as you relive it the second time, for me, I take it as an opportunity to go, okay, that's not how I want to operate or treat someone or communicate. Like I've tried to take a lot of what, not unlike how football players watch footage after they play a game to break down tape.
I tried to do that a little bit and use it as a learning lesson. Because to your point, I don't think a lot of us have audience in our bedrooms. It's always your opinion and hers and then the truth, just like we're dealing with in the show. So now having these other audience members or other people weighing in, I hope it's helped me become a better version of myself to a degree.
But you also just sometimes have to go, you know what? We've all had things we said we wish we didn't say or we could have said differently. And we all know why we're here. We're making, hopefully, an entertaining thing. We're supposed to be living and giving our life. And the moment they stop getting mad at what we're saying to each other interpersonally, probably the show's done.
So I guess it's like you kind of sign up for some of it, but... Being a women dominated audience, which I absolutely love. Like we're, we have the best network on TV because the audience that watches Bravo, like they give a shit. They're so engaged. They really care. They, to this day, I don't have people come up to me in person, ever say you're an asshole. Never had that.
Yeah.
But on social media, you do in person. I get hugged and people call me up to me and they're very kind and generous. and even the people that I'm sure have an opinion always be like, well, you know, I, you made a mistake. You're learning.
Cause that's why we love, that's why we love the show. Right. Because like, you're only a real asshole if you watch the show in pure judgment and be like, you know, it's just like what you and the housewives, like I couldn't do, we, I could not do what you guys do. I mean, yeah, I was on the bachelor for a period.
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