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Chapter 1: Who are the panelists on The Five for this episode?
Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Kellyanne Conway, Harold Ford Jr., Jesse Waters and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o'clock in New York City, and this is The Five.
It's been a very special trip. And I can tell you that our country is hot. It's hot as a pistol. I don't think it's never been so hot. And if you go back six months, it was the exact opposite.
Chapter 2: What were the key outcomes of President Trump's Middle East trip?
Team Biden is said to be in awe of President Trump's de la palooza trip to the Middle East. The commander in chief is wrapping things up today with a visit to the United Arab Emirates after racking up an Operation Warp speed of economic and diplomatic deals in just a couple of days. It's got former Biden officials running to Axios and begrudgingly saluting his boldness.
One guy said, gosh, I wish I could work for an administration that can move that quickly. And President Trump couldn't resist taking a jab at how his predecessor was received by the Gulf states.
There were big people. They want to shake his hand. Biden would have rested the entire trip. He wouldn't. First of all, he wouldn't have made the trip. But if he landed, he would have been rested for about five days before he had the first meeting. I said, no, let's go have the meeting because I want to find out what's going on over here.
And here's just the latest example of Trump's audacious foreign policy moves, like a nuclear deal with Iran.
Iran has sort of agreed to the terms. They're not going to make out. I call it in a friendly way, nuclear dust. We're not going to be making any nuclear dust. In Iran, and we've been strong. I want them to succeed. I want them to end up being a great country, frankly, but they can't have a nuclear weapon. We're getting close to maybe doing a deal without having to do this. There's two steps.
There's a very, very nice step and there's a violent step. I don't want to do the second step.
It is pretty remarkable that you have Biden administration officials saying publicly, wow, we wish we could have done something like that.
It's pretty great. I love it. And Biden didn't see what was possible. One, because he didn't understand the power of oil. He was a green guy. And two, he didn't understand how to play these people off of each other. Trump, we're... Very close with Israel, but we've sidelined the Israelis throughout this whole trip. We're directly negotiating with Iran, the Houthis, and Hamas.
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Chapter 3: How is the Trump administration's approach to Iran and the Middle East different from Biden's?
And we're basically waiting for Netanyahu to end the war in Gaza because that unlocks the Abraham Accords. And now that we got our last American hostage out of there, the pressure's on them. Now, the Iranians are selling drones to the Russians. How do we stop that? You get the Saudis to drive the price of oil down so Putin has to negotiate, end the war, and they cut off the drone sales.
Also, we've isolated the Iranians because their best friend, Assad, is gone. He's lounging in Moscow. And so... We also caught the Chinese buying sanctioned oil from the Iranians. And Trump's threatening to slap whoppers of more sanctions on that oil. And if that happens, they have to negotiate. The Iranians are in the weakest position ever. That's why they're going to do this.
So if you control the Middle East oil supply, if we ever go to war with China, oh, too bad. The Chinese import 100 percent of their oil. So with our Navy and our control over the Mideast, we can. Bring them to their knees without even squeezing a trigger. Sebastian Gorka said something very brilliant today. Why are you laughing, Greg? Your impression. That's actually how you pronounce his name.
Gorka.
Gorka. He said eight years ago, the strategy in the Mideast was security, destroy ISIS and Abraham Accords. And now it's prosperity. It's kind of like what we did after World War Two, Japan and Western Europe. We had this economic alliance that just created so much wealth over the last few decades. What has happened in the Middle East? They've been at war since the 80s.
We're doing the same thing. They have liquid gold and they're sitting right in the middle of the crossroads between Asia and Europe. I love it.
I'm going to disagree with you on the part about the Israelis because I don't think the purpose is to distance. In fact, when they killed Sinwar yesterday, the Americans said nothing. When Obama's team went over there, every time they went, they had to say something critical about the Israelis. And the Trump administration has not done that. Harold, do you want to politely disagree with me again?
No, no, no. I think whenever an American president succeeds, it's going to be back around the table. Whenever an American president succeeds, I applaud them. And I think it's very hard not to see some of the things that Jesse just outlined that the president and his team have been able to accomplish on this amazing trip. You know, the president did a little of everything he normally does.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of controlling Middle East oil in global geopolitics?
There's a great showmanship and a great theater. There's great substance. You have a trillion dollars. It sounds like if not more of investment opportunities and commitments to invest in the United States from our allies there in the region. I'm still it's still not totally clear to me what we get for the lifting the sanctions on Syria. But I like the progress.
I think you have to be willing to make peace. with your enemies because you don't need to make peace with your friends. So finding ways in which to advance us commercially is a really, really smart thing. As he gets home, I'll be interested to hear the Israel party. And I disagree with you, Jesse, on that part. I agree with Dana.
I'm not saying we're not allies. I'm just saying we're doing a lot of stuff on the side without them bringing them to the table.
No, you said that we are distancing from them on purpose and making deals with other people.
We're directly negotiating with Hamas. Never happened before. We're directly negotiating with the mullahs. Never happened before. Pull the tape. We always have the Israelis in our bag during these negotiations. We just did a one on one with the Houthis.
So I think all and thank you. I'll just take back what little time I have left. I think all of this all of this is a positive. And I think. I'm looking forward to the next, I think, which is equally important because we've had such we've had such chaos and turmoil in that region of the world for a long time. I'm looking forward to how the president approaches the Ukraine Russia negotiation.
I hope that we still are able to get the rare earth minerals deal from them, because I think that's so important to us being able to counter China going forward. And if this trip is any indication of what the president's able to accomplish, I'm optimistic about what he'll be able to get done.
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Chapter 5: How do the panelists view the current state of US-Israel relations?
Kellyanne, it's interesting to have the juxtaposition yet again. This has been going on for almost a year with President Trump getting wins and the Biden team continuing to suffer losses. That also continued this week as you compare one administration to the next in the middle of all of these books coming out saying that Biden wasn't really even in charge.
Well, he clearly was not in charge. And look, this is central to the Trump candidacy and presidency to just do this global transformative power of peace through strength, but peace through wealth now. And I think that those twin pillars really define his two interrupted terms. This week was bookended, though.
Everything that we see that happened during the work week, Dana, it was bookended by Trump. Greer and Besant being in Geneva, sitting down with the Chinese, and also Edan Alexander being returned in our backyard here to Tenafly, New Jersey. And I think on the back end of this, you're going to see so much more American investment in America, foreign investment in America.
How many American CEOs were there this week? They didn't need to go. They can just go to the Oval Office. They can put out a press release about my new factory, my new facility, my new manufacturing, onshoring. They wanted to be there because they knew that this was historic, not just for the billions and the trillions, but it's historic for the peace stuff, too. I just want to review quickly.
In Trump 1, what he did to Iran is so transformative. Obama gets the Nobel Peace Prize. It's announced in October 2009. He's not even on the job for eight months, nine months. He's going to get the peace prize. He gives us the Muslim Brotherhood. He screws up Syria, Libya, Egypt, you name it. Here comes Trump in the first term and he says, Iran, we're going to.
cut off your basic, you know, your livelihood, your oil, your energy production, and he enforced sanctions. What did that do? Iran was flat on its back looking to do a deal. Biden gets in there. He and John Kerry put us back in the JCPOA. They take off of the foreign terrorist organizations, the Houthis and Hamas, and look at everything that's happened since.
So this is called causation, not coincidence. And the fact that the Democrats just can't shake themselves loose of Biden a year after they shut themselves loose of Biden tells you everything about that. If just a Democrat or three will come to come forward and say, you know, I'm going to vote for that tax cut and Jobs Act bill. I think this was great this week. I'm going to be part of the deep.
I'm going to be part of the energy dominance to Jesse's point.
If you get all the Republicans, I'll get three Democrats if you get every Republican. Okay, I'm working on it.
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Chapter 6: What comparisons are drawn between the Trump and Biden administrations regarding foreign policy and economic deals?
Yes.
Can you give us a brilliant, brilliant point?
I have hay fever. Is that hay fever?
I think it's really bad allergies.
Yeah. It's interesting. Why does the world respond to Trump in a way that confuses Western media? It's because the world wants what he has and the media doesn't. They understand aspirational goals. Like you said to them, Trump is a possibility machine. If you're going to meet him, you better meet him because you never know what you might get out of him.
But there was no sense of hope with the Democrats. Not when your hood ornament was a decomposing bureaucrat. What what were you going to get out of that? I'm old enough to remember when the media was telling us Trump was a global terrorist. Laughing stock might have been a few weeks ago, I think. Now they're giving him jets before they were giving Joe Biden transfusions.
Doesn't seem that people are treating him like a laughing stock. They're legitimately excited. They are alive around Trump. So it's another one of the media lies. We're sick of talking about the media's lies. But you've got to ask, is the media sick of their constant losing? Their framework, their framing, which they use to perceive reality, keeps leading them to defeat.
Every day they think something's going to happen and it doesn't happen. TDS is a lousy filter to perceive life. The election, trade, immigration, the Maryland man. You know, every single issue, the Dems are ritually humiliated. And it's because of their filter. For Trump, doing big things is easy because we aren't stuck reinventing basic principles. You know, he says, let's work on a peace deal.
Let's get rich. It's not let's push trans awareness in Malaysia. You want a laughingstock? You know, the world's greatest country was going around the world questioning biology. These countries don't have the luxury or the time for that. They want peace and prosperity, not drag queen story hour. We were the laughingstock under Biden. And now it's all back to normal. They understand winning.
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Chapter 7: Why does the world respond differently to Trump compared to Biden, according to the discussion?
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It shows that they're almost insane. And they do suffer from Trump derangement syndrome at a high level. And I guess I'm honored by that.
You know what that means. It's TDS Thursday. First up, Chuck Schumer thinks the president's hatred of offshore windmills makes him a dictator.
Donald Trump hates offshore wind. Supposedly years ago, they built a wind farm off the coast of his Scotland golf course. He fought to kill it. He lost. So now he's taking it out on all offshore wind to the detriment of the American energy needs. In a way, that is like, it's like a dictatorship.
Yes.
The boss is getting his TDS on. Bruce Springsteen delivered a fiery speech against President Trump while on tour in Europe.
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Chapter 8: What is 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' and how does it affect political discourse?
And now Trump's playing with House money.
Yes, exactly.
Kelly, what do you notice the difference between the resistance in the first term and the second term?
Well, a couple of things. First of all, I can't believe that the Democrats have had 10 years to prepare for Donald Trump, the presidential candidate and the president. They've had six months to prepare for his second term and still can't find a message or a messenger that is sticky with the public.
In other words, that the public say, aha, there's someone I can listen to that understands why union households and African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans and young people And Catholics and a lot of folks who otherwise usually don't vote that Republican voted for Trump. They they're not ready. So they're reduced to calling him names.
And I feel that they are they're just stuck in in one speed, one note. And when Chuck Schumer looks down to read something that someone else wrote, you know, they're in trouble. And, Jesse, this is what I think the resistance in some ways it's it's. It's got smaller fangs, but in some ways it sounds exactly the same.
And the problem with that is Trump has overcome everything that the resistance has tried to resist. So for the Democrats, I can't believe not a single one of them looks happy. No one has any joy in the job. There's Trump dancing with our troops today, giving them a pay raise, and all the while having joy in the job. He has broken the Democratic Party. He has broken people like fake Jake Tapper.
He's broken the whole ethos that if we can just be not Trump, that's enough. And in the meantime, he's doing things that Democrats could have done, and he's doing it in a very public-facing way. Was it behind closed doors in the three Gulf states? Was it a dinner that we have to pretend that we're getting leaks about? No, he did it all in front of us at all times.
And while he's doing that, his team is also negotiating bilateral trade deals. These countries and companies are lining up. And he's going to have more and more companies investing in America. They highlight this at the White House every week. They tell us what 10 companies that week invested how many billions and trillions of dollars.
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Chapter 9: How do the panelists assess the Democratic Party's resistance to Trump in his second term?
Chapter 10: What is the controversy surrounding Bruce Springsteen's political speech on tour?
We couldn't get the Tax Cut and Jobs Act passed until December that year, not March, not June, not September. And the other thing that's different this time is more of America is aligned with the America first agenda. Ten years ago this week, he was talking about illegal immigration. He's losing his contract at Macy's for doing that.
And now people are saying, you know what, that's the number two issue in all seven swing states and nationwide last election. More Americans saying I'm with the America first agenda. So the resistance looks that much smaller, that much pettier, that much quieter.
The challenge the president has, as we sit here this evening, and I don't disagree with a lot what you said, but some of it I do. And here's where it is that the president has a great advantage because Democrats suck. You're absolutely right there. But on on in a day in which Wal-Mart said they're going to raise prices on a day after
Microsoft laid off 3% of its workers on a day in which I am so happy last week the president decided to reverse the tariffs because that's why you're getting some confidence back and indeed the market has reacted like it has. I hope he takes it a step further. We need a pro-growth transformation of the tax code. I've said it here before.
Democrats offer the first 50K of income for Americans to be tax-free. Offer the first 100K of business revenue to be tax-free. Raise taxes on those earning over $5 million a year and pay for no taxes on tips. And over time, you want to do something on government reform. Ask every government head, meaning the cabinet heads that come before Congress and give us a five percent cut in their budgets.
And it tells us why, why it works and scale the things that are not and scrap the things that are not working. You're right in one regard. We don't have a leader, but there is an opening in Democrats. If you don't take the opening in a substantive way, we're going to find ourselves sentenced to what what what Greg Gutfeld said throughout here for.
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Let him keep going. I'm not joking. The most damning Biden brain revelation yet.
It's been one brutal headline after another for former President Biden. Now we're learning top Biden cabinet members privately worried he couldn't handle a 2 a.m. crisis. And Biden's inner circle allegedly froze out key members of his cabinet during the back half of his term. Another bombshell.
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