Kellyanne Conway
Appearances
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Sure, people were held to account. The president had a special meeting, had the cameras in there, as he always does. What a difference from Biden-Harris. Has the cameras in there, is answering the questions, is saying Mike Waltz took responsibility and or is going to further investigate it. So at least he's engaging in the media. It's not particular to any one reporter. It's his entire ethos.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
George Stephanopoulos, ABC News, has had to pay $15 million. He was repeatedly told, don't call Donald Trump, don't refer to him by that word, and kept doing it anyway. You've got all these other places like Meta now giving money to President Trump's library.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I mean, people are having silence and shadow ban and censored not just of the former president of the United States at the time, but his supporters, too.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Whatever combination it is of what you suggested, let me suggest an alternative to that, which is many of them have said, wow, that was a really overwrought, unfair reaction to what was happening where we're shadow banning, censoring and silencing websites.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Well, clearly it was a mistake and a mistake has been admitted and rectified. Nobody was purposely inviting a reporter, let alone Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic, to this group chat.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I mean, people looked at the New York Post losing its Twitter feed for two weeks before the 2020 elections because they dared to tell the truth. that no one else would, that Hunter Biden's laptop is real. And there's discussion on there that's actually relevant to voters in making the decision between Trump and Biden in 2020.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
They'd want to know about all this money flowing to the Biden family from Ukraine, from China. This guy, Hunter Biden, I mean, Joe Biden may have no energy, but Hunter Biden had no energy experience, and he's on the border of Burisma, and so on and so forth, and he's talking to the big guy.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
So that was all relevant, but it was shut down by Jack Mercy on Twitter, and so was the New York Post, and then 51 intelligence officers, et cetera. This makes people feel that there's not just two-tiered system of justice, Jessica, but a two-tiered system of...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
where the Secretary of Defense predominantly was giving an update to the national security team and others like the chief of staff and deputy chief of staff for policy and the like on what was about to happen in Yemen. And when I hear he was invited, he wasn't invited. I don't have Jeffrey Goldberg in my contacts.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And look, ideally, and I think President Trump made this clear, as did others, over the weekend, if not last week, Jessica, even ideally, you'd want to be in a skiff altogether physically. You can't be. And so I think that when things are happening in real time and you're trying to keep people apprised—
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I appreciate the fact, actually, that there were 18 people, 19, unfortunately, but take Goldberg off of there, that there were 18 people in the know. That's always been my experience as an advisor to President Trump, as his counselor in the White House, is like, there is more and not fewer.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And I appreciate that because you should have, you know, even the Bible says there is wisdom in a multitude of counselors, right? quite literally. So I appreciate that.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Again, as opposed to a secretary of defense who has ambulances coming to his house and they brush it under the rug, we don't know who's in charge, the president, the commander-in-chief doesn't know his secretary of defense is under anesthesia, is at the hospital. All this is, I think I use it as an example because it's exhibit A of endless exhibits of how secretive and furtive and just...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I think presuming that we the people are so stupid and unworthy of truth and transparency in the last administration that this is so refreshing. So you're even asking questions that are held to a higher standard automatically because of how public-facing and available and accessible President Trump and his team have been to the media, to the public, and the like.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I just wanted to correct one thing. I may have misheard you that the report in the Wall Street Journal article You said that the chief of staff and the vice president and others, one of them was gone. Politico reported that. Politico, I don't know.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I had read the Wall Street Journal piece where the president had allegedly been asking people what they thought, something I'm familiar with, and that folks just felt, you know, keep things as they are. I know President Trump also, Mike Flynn, his first National Security Advisor, I was there, was gone within a month of the inauguration.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I can't add him to anything on my phone, certainly for many of the reasons that President Trump has mentioned. actually articulated himself. I think this is one thing that a big bone that the media will continue to gnaw on, though, because it seems like the very first time they can truly sink their teeth into the administration. And President Trump said as much.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And I know there's, you know, a certain sensitivity that was much more serious, frankly. But in any event, meaning what the president was saying, was considering, because he was very nice about Mike Flynn. He sent me on TV that morning, called me at 6.04 a.m. and said, who's on TV? And I said, well, we took ourselves off because... you know, of what happened with General Flynn last night.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And you're going to have a press conference today at two o'clock on something totally different. You'll be asked about this. I didn't want to get ahead of you. He's like, no, no, no, go out there. So I went on some morning shows and, you know, we weren't saying a number of things. But I just say this because Remember that those who, I'll give you this analogy.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Lots of people saying right now, we did not vote for Elon Musk, didn't vote for Donald Trump either. So they should check themselves a little bit. Same thing here. Those saying, you must fire your national security advisor, just want a scalp on the wall. It's just another way to hurt President Trump, and by extension, hurt America.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Why, when we have these successful strikes against the Houthis, who, for whatever insane reason, Jessica, and I've talked about it before, insane, incomprehensible reason, you're smart. And you're honest. So tell us why in the very first week, within days of being sworn in, President Biden would delist the Houthis from the FTO, the Foreign Terrorist Organization. This makes no sense to anyone.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
They are foreign terrorists. So Trump puts them back on. We have successful strikes. That's great. We also are trying to deal with this Russian-Ukraine war. He's trying to bring the rest of the hostages out. and home and get peace in the Middle East, some kind of deal in the Middle East.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
So why, when all that's happening, should the president of the United States shake up his national security team because of an unintentional mistake?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Especially among independents. I think Biden really never recaptured any kind of footing with independents. Let me just say, I'm not concerned about the political consequences at all.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And so the fact that Biden-Harris lost because they had not one but two uninspiring, not particularly compelling or great speakers as their nominees, the electoral consequences, that election was, gosh, 40 months, 39 months after about late August 2021, early November 2024. So over three years, Jessica, after the Afghanistan withdrawal.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Jessica, people tried it with the January 6th pardons. They tried it with the Doge cuts. They're trying it by torching and burning down the dealerships of innocent Tesla dealers and sellers and owners.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And let's talk about electoral consequences or political fallout, because the immediate fallout in Afghanistan was what I said. We left billions of dollars worth of technology and equipment at Bagram Air Force Base, which I remember the late, God rest his soul, Senator Joe Lieberman saying, had said at the time, like, gee, this is something I helped negotiate too.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Lots of Democrats, lots of Republicans felt Bagram was the right place. You know, this was the right place to negotiate an airstrip. And, you know, leaving Afghanistan in the hands of the Taliban, I mean, it just washed away all the work that these three administrations had done. So I just, I'm not worried about political consequences so much as what does this all mean?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And if we do, if we assess it that way, then we say this was a mistake. It is being corrected, should not be repeated. And most importantly, the whole, the mission was successful.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
That I feel like every American should be able to applaud and appreciate, no matter how they feel about President Trump, his national security team, or the use of signal and the accidental inclusion of any reporter, by the way, let alone a hostile one.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
They're trying everything they can, but I would really echo what Governor Gavin Newsom said over the weekend, if not previously, which is that the Democrats are suffering a big image and messaging problem now. It's not about another messenger. It's about a message.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
So where are you on the tariffs? Well, a few things, Jessica. First of all, Secretary Lutnick, the Secretary of Commerce, was also given his portfolio almost immediately and certainly publicly by President-elect Trump trade as well. So we have the USTR trade representative, Jameson Greer, served all four years as chief of staff to the U.S.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And I think if the entire party is really centered on how can we screw Trump and the American president and by extension America herself, then this signal event of – that was revealed one week ago today, Jessica, will be probably the best and highest hope. But it's a distraction away from the volume and velocity with which President Trump and his administration are operating.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Trade Representative Bob Lighthizer, Ambassador Bob Lighthizer, in the first term, very seasoned, very experienced.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
The Jameson Greer. Yeah. I read that. That makes some sense, yes. Yeah. And so I say this because Lutnick, you know, continues to be a very key player in this administration, along with Secretary Besson and others with respect to tariffs and trade. Now, here's the thing with tariffs.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Every Secretary of the Treasury, from Alexander Hamilton to Scott Besant, should, not that they all would, but they should admit, acknowledge that the main purpose of tariffs is twofold. One is to raise revenue for this country, and the second is to protect vital American industries and its workers, and really America and American security herself.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And national security piece of this is very much on President Trump's mind. President Trump has added a third rationale for tariffs. It is either, Jessica, to compel or incentivize transformative changes in behavior by countries or companies or collections of countries, EU, I'm looking at you, on matters that either affect goods and services. For example, let's rebalance this export-import issue.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
non-reciprocal, unfair, imbalanced trade relationship on automobiles, on spirits, on other goods and services. But when President Trump started the tariff conversation in November, pre-Thanksgiving, it was about Mexico and Canada. And I want you to avoid tariffs. You must get your, quote, criminals and drugs out of our country. And Trudeau said,
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
lately of the prime ministership of Canada, ran down to Mar-a-Lago to meet with the president, president-elect Claudia Scheinbaum, the fairly newly elected at that time Mexican president, called the president several times. They had conversations.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
But fast forward in office when President Trump threatened it again, or not even threatened, stated it again, not as a negotiating tool, but as a tool in and of itself. Lo and behold, both Canada and Mexico find 10,000 robust, fully trained, healthy males to go on the front lines and help with border security. Each of them comes up with a billion or more with a B. And in the case of...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
In the case of Canada, they come up with a fentanyl czar to help with that. But since I was the point person for the drug crisis in the first term in the White House, I will tell you 1% is 50% too much because that represents a lot of death and destruction in our nation.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And then, of course, the Mexican president, who seems to be forging a decent working relationship with President Trump, Jessica, she also is doing more to work with our border control and other national security team members and components. So that's all working. I would just say this.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
My favorite T-shirt of the winter that had to do with politics and governance was, I survived the global trade war, February 3rd, 2025 to February 3rd, 2025. That was roughly nine weeks ago or 10 weeks ago or so. And it was... It was – everybody freaked out the weekend before. This, that, and the other is going to happen. You can't do this. It will explode prices.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And it didn't last that long because people sort of either negotiated or capitulated. You can see whatever – you can use whatever term you want depending on the circumstances. Donald Trump would also tell people – President Trump would tell people, Jessica, tariffs are your choice, not his. that if you want to avoid tariffs, start making more here.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
So Mercedes-Benz says that they are the largest net exporter in the whole state of Georgia. I'm like, wow. I had to read it three times. Really? They make a lot of Mercedes there, but they're net exporters. They're making Mercedes in the United States of America and exporting them somewhere else. Same thing with Toyota, BMW. You saw the deal that the leader of Hyundai made with Governor...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Jeff Landry at the White House last week announcing more. So you can't stand up a new factory or a facility tomorrow, but you sure the heck can have a blueprint that's real. And you can also take advantage of something else. President Trump in mid to late 2020 September, was at a Georgia town hall, and it was about manufacturing, and he was flanked by two banners, Jessica.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
If you look at the CBS YouGov poll over the weekend, you look at other polling, People are fairly—they're giving Donald Trump the space and the grace this time to build an economy, to stop the illegal border crossings, to stop these wars that he inherited in Ukraine and the Middle East, and to get energy production back online.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
One said, Made in the USA, and the other one said, 15% corporate tax rate. Now, when Donald Trump got there, when we were there eight years ago, the corporate tax rate was 35%. Thank you, President Obama with the Nobel Peace Prize. It wasn't for taxes, I guess. 35%, which had led to 100 corporate incursions. That's U.S.-based companies legally
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
parking their wealth and their headquarters overseas because they literally can't afford to do business in the U.S. of A. Those corporate incursions were reversed. We repatriated billions of dollars out of trillions that had been parked legally overseas. The corporate tax rate went from 35 percent, the highest in the OECD at the time, to 21 percent, lower than the OECD average of 23%.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Now, here comes President Trump saying, well, you can get 15% corporate tax rate. Lots of corporations say, how do I do that? Read Banner One, made in the USA. He has since said, if your company wants to invest $1 billion, and most of these companies are investing many billions, or could and should, if you invest $1 billion, President Trump's team will give you the white glove treatment.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
and they will accelerate permitting and approval processes. He has said this publicly in social media posts, and he has said it since. So there are ways to avoid tariffs without whining about higher prices. You got to make more in this country. And tariffs is a long-term play. I think nobody should be surprised. Build the Wall 2016 is like Tariffs and Trade 2024. He promised to do this.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
It's about American investment, American manufacturing, American jobs, American industry, American national security, and America herself. This is a long-term play. Last point. This country knows. And every smart, honest Democrat knows. that we had persistent, punishing, high prices on almost everything, including basics, like fuel and groceries, for four years, and we didn't have these tariffs.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
So folks know that poor economic policy coming out of a White House or Washington, D.C. at the time under Biden-Harris leads to higher prices. I think they're more likely to give Trump the space and the grace for a while longer to get us back to the 2019 levels of wage growth, of job production, of interest rates, and of that rising tie lifting all boats pre-pandemic.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I don't know why we had a war on fossil fuels and fracking and why President Biden paused the LNG permits, but all these things that President Trump is doing that Americans do like cannot be subsumed by— something that was accidental, unintentional, and a mistake.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I think with Trump, you also have to price in other macroeconomic factors when it comes to tariffs. So again, if we can balance the whole trade relationship on specific categories of goods and services, Jessica, as goes other countries or collections of countries and even some companies, that's going to help. If they extend, if not expand, the Tax Cut and Jobs Act,
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
From 2017, which we've all been living under, whether people realize it or not, if you lose some of those benefits, you're going to feel it. So if that gets extended and expanded, like no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, et cetera, then—and even the ECCA, the Educational Choice for Children Act that President Trump has clearly said he wants to be part of reconciliation—
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I have no idea to this moment, zero, how Democrats can be against school choice. I have no idea why we're trapping kids of all backgrounds in some of the failing schools when their parents can exercise a choice as to where they go to school and what is taught there. So there's a lot going on in reconciliation. I think you also have to price in the dereg agenda.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
We had more regulation under Biden-Harris. We're going to have fewer regulation, less regulation. You have to price in the energy production that's going to happen. So I feel like there are other component parts to the macro economy. These things take time. And you said something at the beginning, which is important, and I'm going to give you a rationale for it.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
You said something like, look, President Trump is doing things a little bit differently this time, and he's got high marks and everything. This time, he's getting us back to where we were in 2019, but he also is undoing some of the grievous, grave damage that was done in the last four years. And it's not even, they're not even pulling things out root and branch.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
There are some seedlings, as I've told them, planted above the soil that you just have to blow down, like all these ridiculous new programs and expenditures that are mind-blowing to people.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I think even a smaller federal government footprint and less government spending, whatever that ends up looking like, you have to price all of that in and not just look at tariffs in, not you, everybody in isolation. Yeah.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Well, the outcome in many ways is to make sure that we mitigate the chances of another Rachel Morin or Jocelyn Nagourney or Lakin Riley, all of whom were murdered. And the case of two of them brutally raped before they were murdered. Jocelyn Nagarni is a 12-year-old girl raped for two hours under a bridge and then murdered by two people who should not have been here who were here illegally.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And so that doesn't mean everybody is like that. Of course not. What it means is they're like that and they shouldn't be here. And you know what, Jessica? I feel like the last four years, the biggest epidemic— even though more people died from COVID under Biden than Trump.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
But the biggest epidemic, certainly that we don't discuss, is the epidemic of looking the other way, of pretending that we don't see someone's pain, that we don't see what's happening. And to allow upwards of 10 million people here illegally, and then once they're here, people can turn on Fox News, probably not much else.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
That's why it's the highest rated by far of any of the cable stations, or open up their phones and see people See, the same people just got here illegally in New York City get free cell phones, clothing, hotel rooms in New York City, cash, debit cards. your kid's seat in a New York City classroom. And people are looking at it saying, that's not fair. Oh, you're a racist.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Actually, I'm an African-American 28-year-old male who says that's not fair. Where's my cell phone upgrade? Where's my free clothing? When's the last time I could take my kids to a hotel room in New York City because I live in this condition or I'm temporary homeless? temporarily homeless. So people just said that's not fair.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And fairness over wokeness, but really over unfairness was a huge reason why Trump got elected. Strength over weakness and fairness over wokeness slash unfairness, which is slightly different. So I don't think—there's a reason that President Trump's approval rating, as you said out at the beginning of your podcast, is today is highest on immigration. Yep.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Because he does see himself keeping the promises. And some of the wall was built. Biden had to spitefully take some of that down and let the stuff rot there because a lot was done on spite, not even ideological differences. But— The premise is the same, which is it all got worse in the last four years.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And all of a sudden, Jessica, an issue that was mired in low single digits—illegal immigration, border security—mired in low single digits and trade in tariffs was hardly even an asterisk in our polling and everybody else's polling 10 years ago— An asterisk means less than 1% mentioned as most important problem.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
10 years ago, right about now, when a guy named Donald J. Trump said, I'm going to run for president, but here's what I'm going to talk about. He elevated these issues into the national consciousness to international criticism and ridicule. His company lost contracts and his name on buildings. And oh my God, look what he's doing.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And fast forward, the fall of 2024, thanks to his first term and Biden's only term, that immigration border security was now the number two issue in all seven swing states and in all the national polling. It had risen that high because people started to see for themselves that they live in a border state no matter where they live.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
So I feel like, again, talking about space and grace, people will give it. And if there are folks who are unfairly, unnecessarily swept up in some of this, they will... They will do, I'm sure that they are doing, probably free counsel from some of these groups. They will make a claim about that, and that will be adjudicated more likely than not. But I wanted to say something else.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
You know, these students, well, the guy's 30 years old. He lives in university housing at Columbia, but he was a graduate student there a while ago, I guess. The 30-year-old who wants to— Mahmoud Khalil. Yeah, wants to be a poster child. And the other one, I think she's at Columbia, but she's another one. She was here since she was seven, et cetera, complaining.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
If you read what you have to do if you're here on a student visa— I mean, this is, you know, if you look at student visa, if you look at criminal activity, national security, public safety concerns, revocation of visa, you know, it says the State Department can revoke a student visa at its discretion, often without prior notice, if it believes a student's presence conflicts with U.S. interests.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And I think that Marco Rubio, our Secretary of State, is making that very clear. He said recently, quote, every day I find another one of these lunatics and revoke their visa. What are they doing? Well, we see what they're doing. The same two eyes that sees the debit cards, cell phones, cash, clothing, hotel rooms, your kid's seat in the New York City classroom, sees...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
These folks, they're so bold, they're all masked up so we can't see them. We see them protesting, I think inciting violence, making people feel uncomfortable. I know students at Columbia right now as we speak, and they feel uncomfortable. And the Jewish ones feel completely uncomfortable. They feel threatened. threatened.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
That should not be an occupational hazard of being at Columbia or any other campus in this country. And so if you look at the national security or public safety concerns, a lot of this could fit under there easily.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
You know, the Trump administration's current stance, as articulated by Secretary of State Rubio, has expanded this national security and public safety concern to target students, you know, to cover students involved in some of these anti-Semitic anti-Israel activism, citing some foreign policy implications.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
But I just can't believe anybody can argue the fact that these kids can't go to campus, they missed their final exams, they have to shelter in place in their dorms because you got some of these folks. And then what did their big, bold acting president do? Not to be confused with the former president of Columbia University, who also resigned, but the new acting president resigned because
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
She capitulated to President Trump. All of a sudden, her favorite color is not red or blue, it's green. And she's so worried about losing the $400 million in federal funding that we fork over to Columbia University so that we can see this nonsense on the campus. that she capitulated about a mask mandate. It's fascinating to watch.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
It's not just the tech companies giving to the president's library. It's not just the big law firms, big law that was against him a year ago and for the preceding seven years. It is giving hundreds of millions of dollars in pro bono work to issues he cares about. I hope the drug crisis is one of them and veterans and school choice.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Those are great causes for a big law to fund if they can't see their way to fund it themselves. And now you have university presidents. who were allowing this to happen, who were greenlighting it, who Elise Stefanik at the time, the number three in the House of Representatives, she just embarrassed them into oblivion in the case of two or three of them because they just, they're lying under oath.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
They don't know, they don't know if antisemitism is antisemitism when the rest of us do. And so I think there's a lot going on here, but if you read the, if you actually read the student Visa piece of, there is a lot of latitude for the country.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
If you feel like somebody who's here on a student visa, which is a privilege, by the way, not a right, not a right, then there's a lot of latitude for this administration.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Well, certainly it's a media obsession. 53% of Americans are saying, based on the way a particular poll question was asked in a particular poll, say this is serious, but 99% of the mainstream media says it is. So there's a disconnect there as usual. But look, I'm glad you admitted that that the Donald Trump documents case in Mar-a-Lago was thin. That's all obviously been litigated.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
It's a great question, and I think we got a couple tea leaves about it, Jessica, in the 2024 down-ballot elections. So President Trump swept all seven swing states, and along with him, Republicans flipped United States Senate seats in Pennsylvania and Ohio. defeating long-term Democratic veterans who were winning by double digits in their reelections.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Previously, Sherrod Brown in Ohio, Bob Casey Jr. in Pennsylvania. In addition, flipping the John Tester seat in Montana. However, in four of the swing states that President Trump carried, Arizona by six points, Nevada handily, Wisconsin, Michigan, much smaller margins, those four Republican Senate candidates candidates came up short.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I disagree completely that President Biden housing his classified documents next to an old Corvette in a garage that his son also had access to and his myriad problems. I do think that's serious. And Frankly, the country rejected Hillary Clinton for many reasons, but in part because they didn't trust her.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And whereas President Trump was overly unfairly blamed for the midterm losses or the lack of a red wave in 2022, in 2024, he basically was a gift to all of these candidates. He's got strength at the top of the ticket, and all that means plenty of money, plenty of personal visits inside the state by the nominee, President Trump, plenty of juice for these candidates, endorsing them, helping them,
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And yet they came up short, which tells you something about the difference between Trump's strength within the electorate and all of the Republicans not named Donald J. Trump. So that's a little view into the future. A recent one. And then we'll see what happens on Tuesday, on April 1st, with these special elections in a couple of Florida seats.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I actually think—I hope those Republicans win and we keep the seats. I actually think if they don't, it's not—everybody's going to rush and say the same thing as the Lemmings always do. Oh, my God, it shows that Trump's not popular. He doesn't have the juices. Administration's over. Signal, signal, signal. I actually think it's the opposite.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
It shows what I just said yet again, which is if you're not him and you're not at the top of the ticket, then there's something special about him where people gravitate toward him, turn out for him, whether it's at rallies, whether in the bleeding sun or the pouring rain for days to wait just to see him and be part of it. That's something that the party will need to grapple with.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I don't think we're going to go back to being this sort of Maybe globalist amnesty, maybe some higher taxes, maybe not a lot of D-reg, maybe Bubba restrain this, restrain that kind of party that was a losing model for Mitt Romney, for John McCain.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I think that along with Ronald Reagan, 1980, Newt Gingrich and the contract with America, 94, Trump, 2016, those are like the three most transformative parties. party-changing, coalition-shifting elections in my lifetime and so in many of our lifetimes. So I feel like he'll still have his mark on the party. There is no obvious heir apparent.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Obviously, his vice president would have a good chance, but the president himself said he's not endorsing Vice President Vance or anyone else right now, which is smart because he needs to do a lot of stuff. You can't talk about politics in 2020. You got to do policy in 2025. So that's smart. On the Democratic side, I think it's the worst I've seen the Democratic Party in a very, very long time.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
It just seems rudderless, shiftless, overly angry, without direction, probably a lot of internal fighting that we don't even see. And it's, you know, in any 12-step program, Jessica, even if you reduce it to eight, nine, or expand it to 20 steps, the first one must be acknowledgment. And I haven't seen that yet, let alone getting to acceptance.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I haven't seen acknowledging the fact that Kamala Harris had everything she wanted. Stop with the, she only had 100 days or whatnot. What would she have done on day 108 or 109? Same stuff. I mean, she had all the king's horses, all the king's men, the mainstream media, academia, plenty of money, excitement, history on her side, et cetera, making history on her side. That wasn't the right model.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
They shot, if you look at the Washington Post polling right before the election in 2016, Jessica, people didn't think she was honest or trustworthy, ABC News, Washington Post poll and others. And part of it was because of the way she had handled her emails, the way she had handled, I don't know, dozens or a dozen or so phones and bleach bidding and all of that.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And I think even some of these governors and folks in the House or Senate who could be rising up as Democratic spokespeople are physiologically incapable— of answering a question or declaring a sentence without saying Trump, Trump, Trump four times in it.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
So unless and until somebody can get him out of their mind and stop pretending that the best antidote to Trump is anti-Trump, that's just not it. But until the party, you know, the Democratic Party, the worst thing that's happened to it, in my view, is ceding C-E-D-I-N-G, some of these core Democratic constituencies, to President Trump.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
So he won more Jewish Americans, more women than he than he should have against a female candidate. I agree. People. He won more Hispanics, African-Americans, union households. He won more political independence. And this was the election, Jessica. This is what the Democrats, I think, don't seem to grasp yet. 2024, the presidential level marked the election where Americans said, that's it.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I've had enough. No more will you tell me who I am, what to think and how to vote based on my age, my gender, my race, my religion, my union membership, whether I'm married or not, whether I have kids at home or not, my sexual orientation.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I mean, all of the, and even my political registration and or my past voting preferences, people are like, excuse me, this is the one time when I can exercise my own judgment, make my own choices. And I'm going to do that irrespective of Barack Obama wagging his finger at young African-American men and saying, I'm telling you to do this. You got to do this for me.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And then goes back to his compound in the golf course or in Martha's Vineyard or whatnot, which he's welcome to have. But then you can't wonder, though, why the Obama coalition in 2012 is now Trump country. And if you look at the migration of voters from Obama 12 to Trump 2024, it is nothing but startling. The Democratic Party I grew up around, Half Irish, half Italian, a house full of women.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
My father left, you know, feminist movement, Roe versus Wade movement, women in the workforce, including my own mom, reluctantly movement. You had every man in my family to this moment. is in a union, a private trade, that Democratic Party looks so distant now.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And it's just been subsumed by this odd stew of liberal overreach and academia and Hollywood and media, and frankly, just losing touch with, if not outright ridiculing, people who work for a living, people who don't have fancy degrees. And most of this country is that, and most of the Democratic Party right now is not. Yeah.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I didn't say that. I just said that. Well, Kelly, yes, that he's listen, there's he hears that from other people. That's nice.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
So I think this is important just because Thank God no damage was done. And thank God that the mission was successful. And people are about production and delivery. I think the Democrats only want to be about process when they think it benefits them. And I know Trump derangement syndrome is real. I know it starts at stage five. I know there's no vaccine cure or therapeutic for it, but
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I mean, people didn't vote for him the first two times, Jessica. I think you mentioned some of them earlier.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Sure you are.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
You're a good friend. Come on here. Absolutely. But no, I think it's beside the point right now when he's got too much to do. But it does tell you one thing, that no matter, you know, assassin's bullet, all these indictments, court cases, impeachments, everything else, 2020, et cetera, January 6th, and so on and so forth.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
That President Trump is seen as the guy who can overcome all that and have a critical mass, in this case, many, tens of millions of Americans, highest ever for a Republican in many ways, focus on him and vote for him. I think it shows you. And it wasn't for lack of trying. I mean, one of the biggest mistakes the Democrats made, in my view—I'm glad they made it, but in 2023 and 2024—
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
was sort of dismissing all types of Democratic primary opponents against President Biden, including one RFK Jr., now the secretary of HHS under a Republican president. Trump, I think the lack of primaries hurt, and I was a huge voice, often criticized within my own party for saying this about my Republican party, this nonsense of clearing the field based on electability.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Thank God I haven't heard the word electability in a very long time. And that's important because this whole matter that you rob the people of their voice and their choice months, if not years, before an election is folly. Let the people decide. And it wasn't for lack of trying. Gosh, eight, nine, I don't know how many, many Republicans ran for president in 2024, as did President Trump. And he...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
won decisively, embarrassingly, in all of their states, beating them handily. So he's sort of earned this, but I think that it's not so— Well, he hasn't earned the right to violate the Constitution. No, no, no, I didn't say that. I said he's earned—no, no, no. I said he's earned the presidency now, meaning he— Right. No, no, no, please don't misquote me. I haven't said anything about that.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I believe in the Constitution. The president knows that presidents are term-limited. He is hearing from everything. Two terms. What can we do about that? You know, blah, blah, blah. No, he's going to focus on Pelosi, but I just want to say this about it.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
It does tell you that he's got much more prominence in the Republican Party and the conservative movement, which is different than the Republican Party. People always trying to criticize him and tear him down with, oh, it's just a base, a base, a base, like these dopes, nepo babies on the left who now consider themselves reporters. And you know who I'm talking about. They're probably watching now.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I know so much Trump and his base. What base? It's a base plus. The guy won all seven swing states. He won the popular vote. It's base plus, plus, plus, plus. I say this for a very simple reason. The Democratic Party, for whatever else, I think still could rely upon one Barack Obama and occasionally his wife, although we see her pop up every four years to come to a convention and criticize Trump.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And now on a podcast to insult her husband. But we don't, you know, the Obamas, the Clintons, you can always count on a few super popular, stand the test of time Democrats to raise money, to raise hackles, to get out there and do stuff for the party. I don't think that's true. I think, if anything— The rising people in your party, Jessica, in the Democratic Party, are scary socialists.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
In this case, it was a successful mission and people will focus on that. They will wonder why the facts that under Biden's watch, there were 174 attacks on our Navy warships, that these terrorists and these pirates were disrupting regular routes so that you could not have safe and efficient passage in these routes. And now this is all being turned around because you actually have bold leadership
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
You know, Bernie Sanders has 15,000 people in Arizona recently. Elizabeth Warren's always on the rise. AOC and the squad that doesn't do squad, as Nancy Pelosi said, quote, she said, and I'll quote Nancy Pelosi, quote, this glass of water could have won in their districts. Really, I think, going roughshod on the squad at the time, saying they're all in safe seats. How could they have not won?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And so there's just a lot of generational tension, ideological tension. I think the difference between do we go back and try to recapture the working class of America? Versus are there enough elite effete like us in the Democratic Party in the hierarchy to win elections?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
There's so much hand-wringing, white-knuckle hand-wringing now of everybody so nervous in the Democratic Party where I think the answers are pretty simple, which is you can't tell people who they are, how to think, and how to vote, and what's good for them. They need to tell you that, as you know. That's polling 101. That's voting 101. It's politics 101.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
People have a funny way of telling you what's important to them. You can't tell them. But as for this, it's just another way. Oh, look at Donald Trump. He wants to be president for life. He's hearing that from other people. He respects the Constitution. But there's no question the most important person in 2026 in the midterms and 2028 is Donald J. Trump.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
in the White House and in the national defense team. So people should look at the success of the mission. I believe they will. And again, when mistakes are made, I think the most important thing to do in life and in politics and anywhere else in the national security team is to admit the mistake, figure out how it happened, promise that it will never happen again.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
If mistakes were made in Afghanistan, then I've yet to hear President Biden or Vice President Harris say it. The most energy that President Biden seemed to exert after 13 service members were senselessly killed because he went against the advice of most of his national security team and his generals and withdrew out of Afghanistan. on a dime almost immediately.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
The most energy he exerted was looking at his watch while the grief-stricken families were just looking for a little bit of grace and recognition from the commander-in-chief. That is something Democrats have been very critical of, leaving Bagram Air Force Base in the wingspan of China, leaving the Taliban in charge of Afghanistan.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I mean, really, Jessica, what's the point that we had a female vice president who wanted to be the first female president of the United States in Kamala Harris if the women in Afghanistan The Stan have fewer rights and are less free now because of the policy prescriptions and the decisions that she and her boss made.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And so if we're going to talk about relative circumstances and consequences, I think the more relevant ones are letting just millions in here die.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Across the border, I think it's going to be a very rough week and month of April for the Biden team, Biden-Harris team, with respect to all these books coming out where you've got Biden people talking on the record and unattributed about Biden's compromised capacity. So if we're going to talk about relative things, I think this is very important.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And the fact that these books say that Kamala Harris's aides were preparing for Joe Biden to die in his first term is like, what?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Let's dig in.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
So, Jessica, there's much to unpack there. I, like you, am aware of the public reports that the Senate Armed Services Committee intends to investigate what happened and why and how and the like. That's probably the most appropriate form. This country seems super fatigued from Department of Justice investigations, particularly in this last Merrick Garland, Jack Smith investigation.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And all the law firms now paying some of the ultimate prices and, frankly, capitulating immediately because of their involvement. But, look, I take national security very seriously. I was not a national security official, but I had a TSSI when I was in the White House. And I will tell you, I don't have Signal on my phone. I don't have Jeffrey Goldberg in my contacts. Why not?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Well, I would note that in the first Trump administration, the first time I even learned about Signal, one of the people who worked there who liked to call everybody else a leaker seemed to live on Signal. So I get it. But in this case, I do take very seriously the sworn testimony almost a week ago, Jessica, of John Ratcliffe, formerly of ODNI, now our CIA director, and he swore under oath.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
to the Senate last week that one of the first things that he was told, which you know the rest of the team would have been told when he became the CIA director two months ago, is that Signal was installed on his computer and that it was an acceptable way of communicating. If that's the CIA director talking, I'm going to give that the legitimacy and credence that it deserves.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
So yes, I think if you're going to have investigations, the legislative branch wanted to look at what the executive branch did is probably the way this is going to go. But again, and I like the fact that President Trump, as is his practice, very unique and typical for him, was forward-facing about this, saying, I don't know what happened. I don't use Signal. I wasn't part of that.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
But we're going to take a look at it. I've asked Mike Waltz to take a look at it. He's a good man. Then, you know, he admitted it came from his team or him himself, put the group together, accidentally added someone and the like.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
You've had two national security officials on two different days last week testify under oath, Tulsi Gabbard, ODNI, and, of course, the aforementioned CIA Director John Ratcliffe.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
That's all hypothetical. And the president, I think himself has said, others have said there was nothing classified in there. But look, I think there's just too much, too many hypotheticals in there for me to make a credible argument. judgment until we know all of the facts. But I will say it's not just Jeffrey Goldberg. I mean, sure, the Atlantic was first out there perhaps saying impeach him.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I don't know. I think the Washington Post said 12, 15, 15 minutes after President Trump was sworn in on January 20th, 2017, the Washington Post said now it's time to impeach. Maybe a different post now, but that was the post then. Let's not even want an American president to succeed or America to succeed.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And that's been, look, Jessica, the mainstream media's job in the Trump era too often has not been to get the story, but to get the president. And I think it helped him win this time, frankly. I think it has absolutely helped President Trump, who is seen as resilient and a survivor and gotten the biggest second chance I've ever seen for anyone in this second term race.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
eight years after he was first elected, that I think that the mainstream media's overall approval rating going way down. And there's sort of this sort of elite effete way of telling everybody, this is what's important to you. as a consumer of news and information, as a voter, as an American. And we're going to tell you what's best for you.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And if you disagree, you're racist, xenophobic, uneducated, hillbilly, wearing a red MAGA hat. I mean, look at this ridiculous, crazed woman who committed crimes on video just from this weekend on New York City subway. It's in the New York Post today. She's wagging her finger in a guy's face because he has on a red MAGA hat. And she's calling him all these names.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I like to call her names, too, but why would I dignify her? Except that what happens is she chases him off the platform and face plants. I mean, people just have to stop. You have to stop committing violence at Tesla dealerships. You have to stop wagging your finger in front of people's faces.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And, you know, pardon me, as Trump's campaign manager in 2016 and then counsel the president from day one, I had 24-7 Secret Service when we first arrived in Washington and inside my house. was a seven-year-old, eight-year-old, a 12-year-old, and a 12-year-old. That is a disgrace, and that's only because of the threats of violence.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
So sure, we can talk about this, that, and the other, but what the media have done, them direct messaging my 14, 15-year-old daughter at the time, disgrace should be held to account. So I don't lump everybody in there, but this whole notion that the job is to, quote, stop Trump, get Trump, rather than get the story, that's why when things like Signal happened last week,
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
Well, a couple of things. First of all, I can't believe that the Democrats have had 10 years to prepare for Donald Trump, the presidential candidate and the president. They've had six months to prepare for his second term and still can't find a message or a messenger that is sticky with the public.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
In other words, that the public say, aha, there's someone I can listen to that understands why union households and African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans and young people And Catholics and a lot of folks who otherwise usually don't vote that Republican voted for Trump. They they're not ready. So they're reduced to calling him names.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
And I feel that they are they're just stuck in in one speed, one note. And when Chuck Schumer looks down to read something that someone else wrote, you know, they're in trouble. And, Jesse, this is what I think the resistance in some ways it's it's. It's got smaller fangs, but in some ways it sounds exactly the same.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
And the problem with that is Trump has overcome everything that the resistance has tried to resist. So for the Democrats, I can't believe not a single one of them looks happy. No one has any joy in the job. There's Trump dancing with our troops today, giving them a pay raise, and all the while having joy in the job. He has broken the Democratic Party. He has broken people like fake Jake Tapper.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
He's broken the whole ethos that if we can just be not Trump, that's enough. And in the meantime, he's doing things that Democrats could have done, and he's doing it in a very public-facing way. Was it behind closed doors in the three Gulf states? Was it a dinner that we have to pretend that we're getting leaks about? No, he did it all in front of us at all times.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
And while he's doing that, his team is also negotiating bilateral trade deals. These countries and companies are lining up. And he's going to have more and more companies investing in America. They highlight this at the White House every week. They tell us what 10 companies that week invested how many billions and trillions of dollars.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
So I think the three things that are different this time, number one, he's got more corporate America behind him. At this point, eight years ago, we had about 20 CEOs who wanted to talk to him. I'm triple counting to make myself feel better and to impress you. It wasn't that many. Number two, he's got a better relationship with Capitol Hill.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
And the unifying spirit that they have now, and I think they're going to pass this, Harold, because even though they have a much smaller margin, we had plus 40 seats last time, but that's distorting. When you have too much fat in the system, all it did was give air and water to factionalization, and we couldn't do things like repeal and replace Obamacare.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
We couldn't get the Tax Cut and Jobs Act passed until December that year, not March, not June, not September. And the other thing that's different this time is more of America is aligned with the America first agenda. Ten years ago this week, he was talking about illegal immigration. He's losing his contract at Macy's for doing that.
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The Five 05-15-2025
And now people are saying, you know what, that's the number two issue in all seven swing states and nationwide last election. More Americans saying I'm with the America first agenda. So the resistance looks that much smaller, that much pettier, that much quieter.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
The cover-up would be one thing, but they failed to cover what we all saw. And but for Fox News, we would never have seen people crossing the border the way we did. We would never have seen and heard Joe Biden. I'm so sick of hearing, had he not run, Kamala would have had more time. She didn't lose folks because of racism and sexism. She lost because of eyesight and hearing.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
She had a different kind of cognitive challenge where she never stepped up into that role. If you see the president of the United States is not being able to perform, if you yourself as his number two don't have confidence in his competence, you are duty-bound constitutionally and practically and politically to step in. And because she didn't work hard, they had no faith in that.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
By the way, I'm a little tired of hearing about his physical problems. That is not the problem here, folks. They stood at podiums. We don't know what was going on underneath the podium. I don't care. It's the cognitive decline. It is the mental capacity to not be able to do the job. I'm not letting any of them get away with it because they tried to ruin us. They tried to ruin our families.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
They tried to. They spent more time on my kids and Hunter friggin Biden.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
The 25th Amendment, you mentioned it. Greg, I read it again today. I paid a lot of money for that law degree. I'm going to use it once in a while. Damn it. I read it again today. It clearly should have been invoked by people who were responsible enough in that party. And I have one last question. Why would you even want a job you can't handle? Why does your family want you in that job?
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
Look at Trump. He doesn't need that job. He took that job because he believes in this country and the people believed in him. But I would say that... You know, the folks who have covered this up and the journalists who looked for Russia collusion for three years, how many times have I asked about Russia collusion? They looked for something that wasn't there.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
They saw something that was there and lied to us about it. Don't let them off the hook.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
Even if you turn the volume down and saw it, you know which side you're on. The Democrats made a huge mistake with RFK Jr. a year or two ago, Greg, by chucking them out of the party. I can't think of a single state where he actually would have beaten Biden in the primaries and caucuses the way Bernie Sanders defeated Hillary in 23 of them in 2016.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
So they kick him out of the party, and now he's making a difference. By the way, a lot of young parents love what he's doing particularly. And I like when we shine a light on the left because they're so crazy. The one vaccine I think RFK should help develop is for TDS. Mm-hmm. It's stage five. There's no therapeutic, no cure.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
If you could just have a vaccine for Trump derangement syndrome, some of those people would be less miserable.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
Welcome back. Over a thousand Starbucks workers just walked off the job after the company enforced a new black shirts only dress code. They used to wear any color. And now the union's posting videos showing what outfits got banned. This seems to be absolutely ridiculous. I would love a dress code if somebody said we're an all-black shirt. Oh, Greg, are you a barista? Are you our resident barista?
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
That's true. I just want to make the point that Starbucks put out a great statement. They said, look, thousands of workers did show up, that this union, Workers United, represents, quote, less than 5% of their total workforce. And they also were talking about how the folks are making basically over an average of $30 an hour. They feel like they're being very fair to their employees.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
Harold, what's the big deal here? I feel like the unions are just losing a lot of their power and they just pop up for silly issues like this.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
All right, and Kellyanne, you've got it. Every teenager knows when disaster strikes. Mom is on the job. Just five minutes before prom photos, Georgia teen stress whip. She took dental floss, bobby pins, cuticle scissors, and fixed the job.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
Well, he clearly was not in charge. And look, this is central to the Trump candidacy and presidency to just do this global transformative power of peace through strength, but peace through wealth now. And I think that those twin pillars really define his two interrupted terms. This week was bookended, though.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
Everything that we see that happened during the work week, Dana, it was bookended by Trump. Greer and Besant being in Geneva, sitting down with the Chinese, and also Edan Alexander being returned in our backyard here to Tenafly, New Jersey. And I think on the back end of this, you're going to see so much more American investment in America, foreign investment in America.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
How many American CEOs were there this week? They didn't need to go. They can just go to the Oval Office. They can put out a press release about my new factory, my new facility, my new manufacturing, onshoring. They wanted to be there because they knew that this was historic, not just for the billions and the trillions, but it's historic for the peace stuff, too. I just want to review quickly.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
In Trump 1, what he did to Iran is so transformative. Obama gets the Nobel Peace Prize. It's announced in October 2009. He's not even on the job for eight months, nine months. He's going to get the peace prize. He gives us the Muslim Brotherhood. He screws up Syria, Libya, Egypt, you name it. Here comes Trump in the first term and he says, Iran, we're going to.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
cut off your basic, you know, your livelihood, your oil, your energy production, and he enforced sanctions. What did that do? Iran was flat on its back looking to do a deal. Biden gets in there. He and John Kerry put us back in the JCPOA. They take off of the foreign terrorist organizations, the Houthis and Hamas, and look at everything that's happened since.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
So this is called causation, not coincidence. And the fact that the Democrats just can't shake themselves loose of Biden a year after they shut themselves loose of Biden tells you everything about that. If just a Democrat or three will come to come forward and say, you know, I'm going to vote for that tax cut and Jobs Act bill. I think this was great this week. I'm going to be part of the deep.
The Five
The Five 05-15-2025
But if oil goes down even more, this guy is completely unstoppable. This was the most successful week of the Trump presidency so far.