The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Patrick Ewing Wheelhouse (feat. David Samson)
Wed, 26 Mar 2025
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Chapter 1: How did tequila originate?
Now's a good time to remember where tequila's story truly began. In 1795, Cuervo invented tequila. Cuervo. What are you doing here?
Cuervo. Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.
Cuervo.
The tequila that invented tequila. Proximo. Cuervo.com. Please drink responsibly.
Chapter 2: Why does the show feel similar to Dan Le Batard's other podcast?
Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys?
I've done it. And now, here's the marching band to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.
I'm sure David Sampson has a lot of opinions about what he or he would have done or not done as part of a tribute to a player that soon I will not be able to name because, Jessica, I'm going to make this bet with you before the end of the show. The stakes will be, and I will agree to the terms, I will not talk about this anymore no matter who brings it up or how they bring it up.
I will abstain, but in exchange for that, there has to be something of equal measure that you're giving me.
I'll think about it.
He keeps saying steaks.
I know, but can it be actual steaks?
That's what I'm saying. I think that's what he was angling at. It's delicious.
Can you eat steak?
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Chapter 3: What is the controversy surrounding Jimmy Butler's tribute video?
Billy, it's baseball season, baby.
It is. It starts tomorrow. I have a fantasy draft tonight. Nine o'clock is very late for a fantasy draft. Baseball fantasy drafts are like 24 rounds. I don't like this one bit, but I have to do it.
I need to know who is your first pick because there are a lot of players that people may not be focused on because of your inside information. You may be able to get somebody really good.
It's a good question. So my league, no one cares about this. So we got to get through this very quickly. So my league, each team gets four keepers. So I need to kind of go through the list of the keepers and even see who's available. It's a whole thing. And somehow it always sneaks up on me. So I need to I need to cram after the show today. So we'll see.
So I'll give you a spoiler alert. The first pick should always be Jimmy Butler. That's right, Billy. You didn't think that I was not listening to the start of the show, to the entire first segment, where your guys are talking incessantly about Butler and the ridiculousness of that video. There's no way Pat Riley should have approved. You weren't talking about that, were you?
What kind of segue was that when you guys were doing baseball? Was that you trying to just talk about what you wanted to talk about? Because he was trying to talk baseball in his fantasy league with you, and you decided to make it about the subject we agreed we weren't going to talk about anymore right now.
Yeah, because that was Billy saying, David, and I got a text here offline, which no one's supposed to know about. Hey, we only have a second to talk about baseball. We got to talk about Butler. So that's why I want to do that. It was very important to me to get to Jimmy.
I actually talked about it in my MLB preview show on Nothing Personal, which I don't have a clip for you to show, which I wish I had, but I don't. But I did a whole preview of the season, but I did work in the craziness of the decision of whether or not you do a video, whether who approves that, how it works, because we have that kind of stuff all the time, Dan. So what would you have done?
Oh, because of the way he left, there's no video. We would not have even told the umpire to pause the game at the first at-bat of that player if that player came back to have an at-bat against us because normally you have to get permission from the umpire, actually, in order to pause the game for the player to step out, tip the cap, get the ovation from the, you know, 749 people there.
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Chapter 4: How does player empowerment affect team decisions?
And had they gone directly from four guys? All right, now we're going to start talking about the Heat. Absolutely, that would have been A1, not only for our show, but every sports show across the country.
This will make Dan crazy, but I want to mention the name John Condon. John Condon was a very famous announcer at Madison Square Garden. And when a former player would come back, he would announce, and he was an amazing announcer. And when a player would come back, and number four, Jimmy Butler. And it would just be in sort of a matter of fact, get the job done, you've got to announce this.
David, I'm going to tell you right now. I know John Condon. You, sir, are no John Condon fan. Because when Patrick Ewing came back as a Seattle Sonic, they announced, number 33, Patrick Ewing.
He did that. Because it was, hold on. Are you comparing Patrick Ewing? He did not talk his way out of New York. That was what New York shows.
The hell he didn't. That's the reason why they traded him. David, this is my wheelhouse now. This is my wheelhouse. Patrick Ewing was like, pay me a gajillion dollars. The Knicks were like, you're 100 years old and you just broke your wrist and you tore your Achilles and did all these things. We don't want to do that. So then he said, well, then trade me.
And then he ends up getting traded to Seattle in a three-way deal that sends Glenn Rice from the Lakers to the Knicks.
It was one of the worst trades in the history of the Knicks. The fact that they took back assets for that when they just could have let him go. He just didn't want to be let go, so the Knicks moved him. But without debating Patrick Ewing, we're talking about how the Knicks handled his return.
He did not leave in a blaze of hatred and rancor when it came to his relationship with the public and with the Knicks the way Jimmy did. Jimmy had been suspended, I can't remember, I mean, is it twice or three times during the course of this season alone? It was not like that with Patrick.
But that was a Miami Heat decision, right? Miami Heat took, and I'm not saying it was the right decision or the wrong decision. I'm just saying it's very, very rare the path that they took, not only to suspend him, but then to choose to fine him through the rules of the CBA, at the higher fine amount than what is a typical suspension.
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Chapter 5: What are the dynamics of college sports and NIL deals?
What I'm accusing both of you of here, because it feels like you guys are misremembering a whole lot of things. The money got in Patrick Ewing's way as well. The endings on these things are never, they're hardly ever what you want them to be. It is so very hard to break up with an aging superstar.
Dan, you know what this is like? This is like the Seinfeld episode where he had the perfect breakup and no one believed him. Like, what? No, that doesn't happen. Like, no, no. We really both looked at each other.
We're just friends. This is nothing like a Seinfeld episode.
Isn't it?
It actually is.
Is it? This episode, at least. Guys, notice that a record number of college players entered a transfer portal yesterday. Entered what? The what? Transfer portal. Oh, that's what that was.
That's a true story, Billy. What a crazy thing that they have the portal open during the tournament when we should be focusing on the Sweet 16. And you all got what you want. You wanted players to get paid. You wanted them to be in the union. Now 700 plus of them go into the portal. It's crazy.
You and Skipper were arguing about this and it seemed like one of the best arguments I've seen between you two because you do a great job on the sporting class with Pablo Torre and John Skipper talking about sports business and he said something that got aggregated which is that March Madness and all this stuff can go to pay-per-view and you can stop NIL entirely, the entire mess of free market capitalism.
Not surprising that he would want some governance over that. I was surprised to hear you say Nah, freedom for everybody.
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Chapter 6: Could a Super League concept work in American college sports?
That would have been a great business deal was ruined by you can't do that to the customer. It can't be that. The greed and the capitalism can't be that overt. That was the line.
Right. But at the time, I remember watching and I'm like, yeah, of course, in Europe, because they stick to their standards and traditions way more than we do here. We are much more malleable people. That's why we have a lot more convenient things here than in Europe. But having said that, I wonder if this would have been the line, David.
Do you think the people would have risen up and said, no, no, I'm a Duke fan. I'm a North Carolina fan. I don't want to go into this weird Super League thing. I want to play. I want to watch Wolford have a chance to kind of play one of us.
So what's interesting about that, and yes, of course, I've seen it and covered it, what fascinated, do you remember who led that? It was led by the American owners of EPL teams who were trying to do things like John Henry couldn't do as owner of the Red Sox, because he doesn't have the votes, because he would do it right now today. He would create a Super League and Major League Baseball.
And would he do it with his penguins? You know, wait to see. But in terms of baseball, that's what he's wanted. Why would, except when he owned the Marlins, why would I pay money for teams to beat me when I can just keep paying the teams around me who are as big as I am and we can keep a bigger share of the money? And what we used to say to him, John, what happened to you?
I can't believe how you've changed given what you now own versus what you did. But do you think that your revenue would be the same if your schedule was that you played the Yankees, Dodgers and Cubs 50 times each in 150 game season? So the argument has always been that you need to have a full league.
And what John Skipper was saying is, was sort of an amalgam of the concept, which is keep it at 64 teams, but forget these automatic bids from these ridiculous conferences that no one's ever heard of. Forget Yale having an opportunity to beat Texas A&M in the first round. Just keep it to the four main conferences. So then what happens, Amin, is the ACC and Big East say, here's an idea.
Why don't we merge? This was Dan Hurley thinking about this, talking to Coach K. Let's form a 2019 conference and see if we can't be the big man on campus. And so where everybody is simply going to is they want the lion's share of the money, the year in which they deserve it, and they don't think about the years in which they stink. And that's how this happened.
It's been one year, okay? It's a super small sample size. But chalk won, and it was not madness. It wasn't what it usually is for buzzer beaters and upsets and everything else. 12 over a 5 is not any kind of rare. It often happens. So there weren't any stunners. And Jay Williams says... that NIL has ended the Cinderella based on this year.
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