The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 2: The Pierce vs. Ruiz Trilogy (feat. Paul Pierce)
Mon, 02 Dec 2024
We kick off Hour 2 with Lucy's Off-Rohding as we see the video of the moment Rose was pepper sprayed and find out that Lucy couldn't stop laughing at Rose at it happened...and she can't stop laughing now. Is that a normal coping mechanism...? Then, why are we more upset at college-aged players for planting flags than coaches for escalating and police officers for pepper spraying the players? Plus, Paul Pierce is here to ask about "Ruiz." Pierce discusses how his Celtics used to "out-tough" other teams, why this year's Celtics are the most talented in the league, what "the streets" are saying about Jimmy Butler and the Heat, Dwyane Wade's statue, the biggest challenge for the Celtics, and why Kevin Garnett's answer is "no" to everything at first. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: Why was Rose pepper sprayed at the game?
Michigan. Michigan. Michigan. Let's go Michigan and Michigan.
Did you guys see where Ryan Day said that losing to Michigan, the only thing worse was when he lost his father?
It's a big game, but that is kind of crazy to say.
Would you say losing to Michigan is equivalent of facing the death of someone close to you then? Absolutely.
Absolutely. The fact that they're six and five and they think that they deserve to have me out here watching them get their ass beat.
Did they cheat?
yeah i think so connor stallions that guy he cheated i saw it he told me himself actually okay so what should the punishment be you guys get to choose public execution so you all know that rose comes with me every week we also have a producer his name is harry uh he went to michigan He's gone. They took him a long time ago.
We put an air tag on him, so I'm sure we'll find him later, but we haven't seen Harry in hours. Do you guys have anything y'all want to say to my producer, Harry, over here?
Harry, we love him. He said he went to Michigan, though. That was probably not the best thing to tell us right away. Him and Connor Stallion's public execution.
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Chapter 2: What coping mechanisms do we use in uncomfortable situations?
I can't believe Rose got pepper sprayed. It's not funny. I just laugh in uncomfortable situations. I will say, ton of respect for the Michigan football players when Rose got pepper sprayed. It's crazy to say. They all came over to help her. Dan, I'm sorry. Lucy wanted to do some interviews, but I got pepper sprayed.
If you want to watch Ohio State next season, most likely with a new head coach, you can download the GameTime app and use code Lucy for $20 off your first order. Terms apply. What time is it? It's GameTime. College football is the best. Except for the time that Rose got pepper sprayed.
Lucy, you are laughing at your own material there. You are gazing at how amusing you are. And no one in the world has found a pepper spraying funnier than you found this pepper spraying. You can't stop laughing at Rose. You're covering something very seriously and can't stop laughing during the serious coverage.
Okay, one, that's my coping mechanism. When my parents got divorced, that was the funniest conversation of my life, okay? I couldn't stop laughing. There is a video that has been deleted. However, when we saw that Rose was on the ground... Harry was filming, and I did not realize that Rose had gotten pepper sprayed, and he panned the camera to me, and I'm just pointing at her and laughing.
She's on the ground. I'm just pointing at her and laughing. Wait a minute. I told Harry you have to delete the video.
That's the worst I've ever looked ever. I want to examine your coping mechanism.
All right, wait a minute. That sounds like someone stepped on a duck. A goose. That is absolutely the sound of someone stepping on a goose. One of the bigger birds, maybe a swan. They're unusually aggressive.
Give me the whole context for the whole video. What happened here? Not just the sound. Give me the whole sound so that I know what happened before it, before a honking rose got... She's okay, by the way, we think. She's not here, so we don't know. That's why we're laughing. Let me hear from a honking rose.
There's chaos and...
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Chapter 3: How do fans react to college football rivalries?
Neither is that die job, Dabo. Well said.
The Ryan Day die job is the most egregious in the sport, correct? Shut your mouth. That's our king.
He is the king of the die job, right?
We asked him about it, and he flat out denied it on God Bless Football. He said, no, that is not a die job. And we've asked other people who have seen him at food courts, and they've said, no, it looks very real. At food courts?
That was two years ago, yeah. At food courts.
I sat next to Urban Meyer at the gate at the Columbus airport when I was leaving. He didn't seem very happy.
Does he ever?
No, but he seemed especially unhappy. iPad guy, by the way.
I've seen a couple videos where he seems happy.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of planting flags after a victory?
Did he have a stylus, like pen to write on it or no?
No, it seemed like he was just watching stuff. And then he like put his sunglasses on inside. And I said, whoa, big time.
Is anyone saying lose with class with the same intensity that they're saying win with class when they start assigning blame to bad optics on this? And they tell Michigan to behave in a way that's more sportsmanlike. And also Ohio State to lose in a way that's more sportsmanlike when people are going to talk about bad look for for the sport.
I don't actually think that Stugatz and Billy are in the majority in saying that, you know, beat them.
and you you will uh get rid of all the fighting and all the flag planting i think we all understand that if the emotions of this escalate it can end up in a very malice at the palace type of place people swinging helmets you don't want to keep throwing lighter fluid over what is already like a cauldron it's a hundred thousand stigatz what this game is okay never mind the rivalry
of it, what this game is between recruits who have been fighting each other to get to these two schools, because let's just say it matters to some of the people when you get into these brainwashed sort of cults that are college campuses, and beating Michigan is the most important thing, and beating Ohio State is the most important thing, and Ryan Day can win all the pressurized game, but he keeps losing that one, and I'm gonna say, die, his job.
Go ahead, it's gonna die. Like, I'm gonna fire that guy, even though he wins all the time. So at the center of the field, where it's physical violence all game, and emotions, of course that's gonna be lighter fluid to allow that to escalate anywhere beyond where it already is. But the idea that the histrionics of this could escalate to this place,
because of the stupidity of what it is that we're talking about after the game instead of before the game, which is just celebrate how it is that you like on an empty field that people are leaving. You don't have to get insulted and indignant on the way off the field because somebody's doing something to a midfield that you couldn't protect during the game.
That's the problem. They stayed on the field. They were looking for the lighter fluid. They were looking for something to get upset about instead of being upset about the fact that they just lost... Also while upset. Well, Dan, you know what? There's emotion on both sides. That game is like Michigan's national championship game this year. It's like that every single year when those two teams play.
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Chapter 5: Are college athletes held to a higher standard?
That's the top thing we should be mad about.
I haven't come down on the kids doing it. The action of it, I think we need to protect ourselves from this situation unfolding. And the conferences have been totally fine when we put together our highlight packages of Baker Mayfield planting a flag and hyping up those aspects. Oh, it's bad when these two teams get together. And everyone feels that, yeah, yeah, mix it up.
We like all that stuff because we're fed it. It feeds to what we like about this very physical sport. But I do think you need to put some things in place to prevent things from spiraling out of control because this was a very ugly weekend for the sport.
Interesting because I disagree. that ugly is bad for that sport. I disagree that us caring this much about the aftermath instead of what happened in the game is good for the sport. Us being fascinated that the violence can escalate to a tipping point that might scare you a little bit.
I don't know if you've seen the video of McCaffrey's calf giving in a game that Fred Warner is playing with a fractured ankle. For weeks, Fred Warner is playing with a fractured ankle. I don't have any earthly idea how that's done.
What we're watching that we're throwing kids into the maw of is the 100,000 people watching the gladiator spectacle on, show us your violence, show us your ego, show us your pride.
Let's fight one school against the other in the biggest rivalry that any of us in this region will know in our lifetimes passed down from our parents and our grandparents because this stadium fills 100,000 people to watch you be more violent than them. Better at the violence than they are. Like that whole thing.
ends up symbolically with a flag planted because many of the participants think of it as war. They use all of those war analogies because of what they're giving their bodies to.
But what are you fighting to protect? This is a very recent trend. This is not something that is passed down from generation. Baker Mayfield did this and everyone now is cloud chasing for the social media clip. I love college football. And I love that it feels a little dangerous and it has more passion and it's the closest thing that we have to European football in this country.
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Chapter 6: What do players think about the violence in college football?
And what the show sounds like right now is fearing the very real potential of where it is something like that can end up where somebody can really get hurt. But I ask you again, like, what do you think we're doing all week getting to that game? It's like we're making these two.
groups of people that are going to collide get to a heightened place where dumb testosterone-soaked kids are going to do dumb shit in front of each other because they just won in front of 100,000 silent people and that's the best feeling in the fucking world.
Right, but we don't see that in combat sports and we very rarely see it in the NFL. And when shit gets real in the NFL, like Miles Garrett swinging a helmet, everybody wants to change everything and chastise it. You've gotten kind of lucky with all these field storming incidents with this most recent weekend. I think everyone can see a scenario in which this can spiral out of control.
I understand it's a logistical challenge. I also don't think we can't make a solution to wrangle teams and say, you stay in this quadrant while we let the other team in. They already do. They already do that.
Well, it's great coming from a Canes fan.
Well, I'm not – I understand. We kind of started it. But I've always – we did. I'll wear that. Well, Mike.
I'll wear that, but I can also – We has never done as much lifting as Stugat saying that he's responsible for UM's swag.
I'll take it. The 80s canes did that, but I can also be from it, be amused by it in a documentary and understand why there were rules made specifically against them.
Rose was pepper sprayed and we have to take that very seriously.
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Chapter 7: How do emotions affect college sports events?
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Don Levitard. Where the motherf***er Roiz at? Bring his ass on here. Where's the motherf***er Roiz is a great question. Stugatz. Running, huh? He running today, huh? I'm ready. This is the Don Levitard Show with the Stugatz.
Oh, no. Oh, there he is. Oh, no. This loud mouth. He's a Hall of Famer. He's an NBA champion. He's a 10-time All-Star. He is Paul Pierce, and he's here looking for Ruiz. He's looking for... Where is Ruiz at, man? Ruiz is in the back row. I don't think we have talked about the... Put that book down, Ruiz. He's reading The Pride of a Lion right now by Greg Cody.
You're not reading about that loss to the Toronto Raptors last night?
We have not talked much Miami Heat this season. He did not talk at all about them losing at home to Milwaukee without Antetokounmpo. And here comes Paul Pierce with the most overwhelming team in the league, the reigning champion. But we have the fortunate timing of getting him right after Cleveland dragged your ass.
Yeah, I know. I know. That's all right. We're not even worried. We went and toured with our premier players, and we just gave them some experience to the other guys. You know, this is every – you got to understand, the Celtics are every team's biggest game of the year. So, you know, once we understand that, when we go on the road and back-to-backs and all of that and accept that, they'll be fine.
Paul, this team's better than yours.
I don't know. We don't know. It's damn close. I ain't going to lie. This team is really good. Really good. But I will tell you this. Our team, I don't know. We knew how to break teams mentally. So, you know, what we lacked in skill versus them, we had with Will. Oh, wait a minute.
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Chapter 8: What is the legacy of the Pierce vs. Ruiz Trilogy?
I don't know. You really didn't answer my question, though. What do you mean you don't know? You're not allowed to say I don't know to that. You can say that's a shitty question. It's leading. It's unfair. You can do all those things. It can't be I don't know.
No, I didn't say I don't know. I said I've been known to break a few wheels.
And I asked you, whose will would you go after on this team that you're saying you're not sure that they would beat you, even though they're more suited to the modern game than you guys are?
Are you talking about the current Boston team whose will would I go after?
Yes.
All of them. All of them.
Hmm.
All of them.
This is a really short book. I mean, I found a book that was more mailed in than Stugatz's. I'm doing a bit. I'm doing a bit and I read half of it.
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