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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Hour 1: You're Out of Your Depth

Tue, 15 Apr 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the controversy around Carson Beck's NIL deal?

50.787 - 71.113 Dan Le Batard

What is that? What is that sound? It's not for many people. You do not give that sound very often. I want to tackle this thing, though, with Miami, because now Ryan Clark is talking about Mario Cristobal, and it really is a funny thing to watch happen. Where it's just like, all right, this is how we're doing it in college football now.

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71.193 - 89.608 Dan Le Batard

It's going to be, of course, I mean, of course, it's going to be, schools are going to be fighting over players because everybody's trying to win and you can get them for money now. And there may be rules, but it seems like a lot of competitive people might be able to work around them in a lot of creative ways. If the local car dealership, you know.

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90.208 - 104.756 Dan Le Batard

has 20 extra million that they want to put into the program. Stigatz, the game is getting funny now, right? Max Crosby's assistant GM at Eastern Michigan. Why? Because he wants to make a big donation, and it helps, and they can buy some players, and it's fun. Yes, while still playing in the NFL.

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104.856 - 120.349 Dan Le Batard

Why wouldn't these players want to be involved with just, all right, it's all going to be fantasy league. We're just going to throw money around all over the place, and a quarterback's going to be worth $4 million when I want you to imagine that conversation five years ago. Just think about it for a second.

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120.489 - 138.346 Dan Le Batard

And when we talk about Carson Beck, and people are talking a lot about Carson Beck, Stugatz, because there are not that many players in the portal age where you're like, yep, know that guy. He's a star. He's valuable. George has been in all of the big moments for a while.

138.646 - 140.688 Dan Le Batard

Well, that may be up for debate.

Chapter 2: Why is Ryan Clark 'out of his depth' on the Carson Beck topic?

141.332 - 163.672 Mike

It's a weird thing that is done with Carson Beck, and I understand the arm injury. It's a big thing. But that's the conversation. People, including Ryan Clark, and I think to a degree Jess, have convinced themselves that Carson Beck isn't good. Carson Beck entered last season as not... Consensus was hard to find, but on many mock drafts, he was picked to go number one overall.

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164.432 - 182.197 Mike

And Ryan Clark said something to the effect on television today when talking about Nico. Mario Cristobal is partly at fault because he gave, quote, $4 million to Carson Beck, and he's not the best quarterback in the country. Number one, Ryan Clark, you don't know the number. You're off base.

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182.877 - 206.684 Mike

Number two, if you're directly comparing Carson Beck to Nico, Carson Beck is quite almost literally twice the quarterback statistically than Nico. Nico was tied for 36th in the nation in QBR last season. Carson Beck was eight. Carson Beck won the SEC as QB1. He's an accomplished quarterback that's made a lot of money for himself inside that conference and now over at Miami.

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207.504 - 210.645 Mike

You don't need to invoke Mario Cristobal, especially when you're out of your depth.

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211.653 - 218.098 Jessica

Well, when you won't tell us the number, you can see where people would think they know the number. There's a guy who knows the number who won't tell us what the number is.

218.138 - 232.267 Mike

I mean, shut Ryan Clark up. Let me explain why I won't tell you the number. Because it doesn't hurt Miami for Ryan Clark to go on television and just say things like Miami paid Carson Beck $4 million. That doesn't hurt Miami at all. You know why?

232.847 - 253.674 Mike

Because just like the previous season, the quarterbacks that enter that portal are going to talk to Miami because the national perception is Miami pays the quarterbacks. And if you're in the game of trying to acquire talent, you don't mind that perception out there because it gets you in the room where things happen with these quarterbacks. So why would I reveal the number?

255.784 - 267.209 Jessica

Yes, you're correct that Carson Beck was one of the top quarterbacks going into last season, but he underperformed also and threw a lot of interceptions last year and then got a really devastating injury.

267.45 - 274.373 Mike

Understood. Betrayed by his wide receiver core, just like you wanted to provide that context for Nico. A lot of drops.

Chapter 3: How does Miami's NIL strategy impact college football recruiting?

Chapter 4: What are the challenges with transparency in NIL deal values?

367.122 - 396.663 Jeremy

stupid we have I don't get it it's like mind your own business guys like we have nothing to do with this no but Mike they're all connected I mean it's crazy talk what you're saying it's not connected if Carson Beck is getting a certain amount of course they're connected all the quarterbacks are connected now they're all you don't know the amount that he's making well you won't tell us if you just blame Duke what if you just blame Duke you can blame Duke because Duke actually let's blame Duke and move along Chris Cody I heard that people send you clips of you mispronouncing things and you won't play them on air I

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397.837 - 400.139 Chris Cote

I have the clip. You want me what I tried to say a couple hours ago?

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400.159 - 407.045 Dan Le Batard

No, no, wait. Chris, just hold on, because you are doing such a good show for only me. Chris.

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407.685 - 410.367 Jessica

I don't know why he was flapping his arms like a chicken.

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410.387 - 425.059 Dan Le Batard

No, Chris whispered into my ear, while you guys are raging at each other, while Mike Ryan starts to fight Ryan Clark, and as Jeremy squeaks into my left ear, bet you guys miss me talking about heat now.

425.279 - 427.881 Jeremy

I mean, it must have seemed sort of appetizing compared to that.

428.161 - 454.217 Mike

Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. I'm not allowed. When's the last time I spoke about Miami? Jim Laranega talk three, as you guys let him in the studio. You let him in this studio tell all his lies. Like, okay, cool. I'll just shut up. I talk for five seconds. Give you the goods, too. Because that segment right there, shit was electric.

455.157 - 458.965 Jessica

Put this on social. Ryan Clark followed me on Instagram the other day. I want him to know that I stand with him.

459.781 - 463.823 Chris Cote

Yeah, you can stand with him on the wrong side. Remember, he's not standing because he's out of his depth.

Chapter 5: How does Carson Beck's injury affect his market value?

Chapter 6: What roles do boosters and donors play in college football NIL deals?

463.863 - 475.047 Mike

He's wrong. He's trying to swim. You're just flatly wrong. He's flatly wrong on a bunch of fronts, and he's out there speaking on facts like he's got the information. Just because you saw an IG tile doesn't mean you got the number, pal.

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475.147 - 478.648 JerBear (1‑800‑Flowers/DoorDash Ad)

I couldn't agree more. People who are not paying attention to the sport probably shouldn't talk about it.

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478.748 - 489.966 Mike

Now a pal. Oh, my God, Jeremy. I want to wring your neck. God damn it. You're telling me I was wrong? Please, please. Of all the people that tell me I was wrong about something.

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489.986 - 493.349 Dan Le Batard

Who are you tasing? Mike? Tase Mike.

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493.389 - 494.97 Mike

Just a warning shot to the group.

494.99 - 502.997 Dan Le Batard

Like, hey, I got this. Here's the thing. You've lost. I'm going to tase all of you. Wait, wait, though. People just don't understand. Tase myself. Listen to me.

503.337 - 503.577 Jeremy

Yeah.

503.997 - 533.345 Dan Le Batard

Listen to me. People do not understand that the greatest show happening right now on earth is Chris Cody not being involved in our show in any way, but talking to me while you guys talk. He's doing a show just for me. It's useless because it doesn't help me do the show except for in this way. Because he's botched a couple of his lines, he has whimpered into my ear, my tongue is so heavy today.

534.285 - 539.07 Dan Le Batard

And then the next sentence, the NHL playoffs haven't even started.

Chapter 7: How is the college football transfer portal changing the sport?

637.402 - 652.993 Mike

Precisely. And what he was leveraging, just like Cam Ward the last time, there was an inaccurate report last week that said Miami and Ohio State were in a bidding war for Cam Ward. I will say that if you want to say that Miami and Ohio State were going back and forth for a quarterback last year, it wasn't Cam Ward. It was Will Howard.

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653.373 - 664.539 Mike

Ohio State didn't really actually get into the Cam Ward sweepstakes. He was right there for them. Can you imagine? They won the national title with Will Howard. But they kind of decided they weren't going to negotiate with the Cam Ward thing.

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664.879 - 685.744 Mike

Miami, the last two cycles, has come away with what was proven to be the number one transfer portal quarterback last year, who was just leveraging the NFL draft. This year, a similar situation. Consensus number one target out there. Me personally, I like John Mateer a lot. I think Oklahoma got a great quarterback over there. I'm not going to tell you that. I don't have my questions.

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685.764 - 690.025 Mike

In fact, I was probably one of the people that were a little bit more nervous about Carson Beck.

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690.325 - 718.102 Mike

because he turns the ball over because he's got that arm injury i know brock purdy was a favorite to win the nfl mvp like eight months after he had the very same surgery but it's not it's it's not a perfect candidate i was more excited about cam ward but to see people talk about the nil market as if they know a goddamn thing about it and invoke miami's name in tennessee's business is just bullshit it's just bullshit like okay you saw a tweet and you think you know the number

718.402 - 740.851 Mike

No one knows the number, that's why this is all crazy. No one knows the number. And by the way, the people that you talk to that are supposedly in the transfer portal, that are offering their services up, 99% of the people making the rounds, leveraging their own place in the market, they're not in the portal. They're not in this open market space where you should actually talk.

740.891 - 746.413 Mike

If you want to talk about what you should actually do to stop this nonsense, it's that kind of stuff.

746.693 - 754.977 Jessica

I mean, he's not just some dummy reading Twitter, though. His son played college football last season and was a transfer, so he does understand how this works. He is like a Hall of Famer.

755.097 - 775.627 Mike

If his son was a QB1 talking to Miami, I'd say you have the bona fides. Or if he even got the number right, I'd say you're on the money there. But he didn't. Then tell us the number! He's well off. Three and a half? He's well off. So is Carson Beck. Yes, Carson Beck is making great money for a young man on an NIL deal. Thank you, Jeremy. That stands a writer.

Chapter 8: What are some lighter moments and sponsor messages in the episode?

855.469 - 868.102 Mike

That's a huge part of it. So, like, I can only get so mad because... The car dealerships. Yeah, because Ryan Clark is perpetuating something that doesn't work against Miami. It's good to have people talk about Miami. It's good for people not to know the number. We're all playing poker here.

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868.443 - 878.293 Jeremy

And it's good for this quarterback to have some mystery around him in terms of whether or not he's going to be great and a good fit for Miami. He has had 52 touchdowns, 18 interceptions the last two years.

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878.633 - 885.377 Mike

The argument for signing Carson Beck, it made all the sense in the world when it happened. Jessica, why are you down on him? On Carson Beck?

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885.997 - 887.378 Dan Le Batard

What is he getting wrong here?

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888.158 - 896.522 Jessica

I'm not down on him. I'm just saying he didn't play very well last year. If he did, he would be a player going to the NFL draft next week.

896.542 - 899.784 Mike

Yeah, if he remained healthy and that. It was a down year.

899.804 - 904.967 Jessica

He had a rough season. But Georgia, like you said, their offense was rough last year. And so I'm just pointing out...

906.127 - 926.222 Jessica

there's a little bit of nuance to it like it's not like a surefire thing especially because of the injury so yeah like but again like if this is what the market is and him and john matier and uh nico are the best transfers in the portal they're going to and mensa from tulane like yeah this is you were worth whatever people want to pay you it's kind of i think like

927.205 - 938.078 Jessica

I don't know, annoying to call someone out for being like, it's not $4 million when no one will say what it is. So he's going off of the best available information, which I don't think is like wrong to do.

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