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S31 E8: The punch | The Banned Teacher

Tue, 07 Jan 2025

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Robinson meets Sam, the man behind the punch. He said in 1975, when he found out his 16-year-old daughter had sexual encounters with her high-school music teacher, he went to the principal. When Walker moved schools, he told Robinson about the punch — it made her feel sorry for him. But now she knows what really happened.

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Chapter 1: What happened to the music teacher Doug Walker?

856.374 - 860.056 Julie Ireton

And yet you don't recall Jackie telling you anything about what Walker was doing?

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861.117 - 871.364 Sam

No, I don't recall anything specific that she said that would indicate that he was having sex with any of them.

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871.544 - 876.628 Julie Ireton

If you had found out, what would you have done? What would the protocol at that time have been?

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877.773 - 895.525 Sam

Well, my protocol would have been to certainly take it to the principal and the superintendent and inform them. And certainly, you know, he would have been dismissed at that time, I would think.

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896.645 - 897.886 Julie Ireton

You think he would have been fired?

899.327 - 902.289 Sam

Yes. Well, there certainly would have been an investigation.

903.117 - 920.511 Julie Ireton

Hmm. I know that five years later in 1987, Allie told the administration what had happened to her. Walker had sex with her on a band trip to Montreal, but the teacher moved. He wasn't fired. Christy was part of that administration, too. It is.

920.531 - 931.961 Julie Ireton

I do find it interesting you say that it would have been cause for dismissal because, you know, in 1987, when it happened to another girl, he was just moved to a different school when Nicky Fork was in charge.

933.308 - 940.173 Sam

Yeah, well, there was nothing that happened at Arkham District High School that was ever drawn to my attention.

Chapter 2: How did Anne-Marie Robinson feel about the punch?

1239.396 - 1247.898 Julie Ireton

In 1987, Peter Samuelson was not told why Doug Walker was leaving Markham District High School and why he was coming to his school.

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1248.758 - 1263.164 Unknown Speaker

I just know where he came from and where he went after he was at my school, where I was the head of the music at Stouffville. And I didn't know what had happened.

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1263.764 - 1267.926 Julie Ireton

He means what had really happened. Peter tells me what he knew back then.

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1268.606 - 1294.763 Unknown Speaker

He gave me a story that he had taken a trip with his band to Montreal and he had been drinking beer in his room with the students. And that one girl told her parents that he got in trouble for having beer on a high school trip. And my principal didn't really tell me anything.

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1295.363 - 1300.187 Julie Ireton

But then something else about this new music teacher caught Peter Samuelson's attention.

1300.407 - 1326.926 Unknown Speaker

A few times I saw him either going up and hugging a girl or a girl coming over and hugging him. I just told him, I said, Doug, you've got to stop that. And I said, you can't do that. I said, you've got no physical contact. To me, that's a big thing that you don't touch girls. And so I did watch him, but I'm busy teaching myself. I couldn't follow him around all the time.

1328.308 - 1334.095 Unknown Speaker

It was in the two years he was there. Other than that, he was well behaved and he did his job well.

1338.021 - 1370.755 Julie Ireton

Walker went on to lead four more music departments. Of course, this pattern of moving from school to school all started decades earlier. It all started at Port Credit Secondary School, his first job. Former students say he left before that school year was over. We're about to meet the man who knows why. The man survivors refer to as Punch Daddy. It's late fall 2022. I'm in the driver's seat.

1371.155 - 1381.018 Julie Ireton

Anne-Marie is the navigator. You go straight. It's been a long drive. We're fueled on fancy lattes and both a bit nervous about where we're headed next.

Chapter 3: What was the role of the adults in the students' lives?

1685.205 - 1702.118 Julie Ireton

When they left the principal's office, Sam was fuming. What the teacher had done with his daughter was unforgivable. Sam, his daughter, and the music teacher walked across the school parking lot. Then Sam says, he swung around in fury. His fist met the teacher's face.

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1703.055 - 1725.375 Sam Mullins

Afterwards, I kind of regretted in my own mind that I did that, because that's not the way a human should act. But my emotions just got the best of me, and foolishly, I reacted.

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1725.891 - 1738.881 Anne-Marie Robinson

Yeah, it's interesting because I'm an absolute pacifist too and would never condone violence, but you stood up to him and I feel like you saved her by getting her out of it.

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1739.442 - 1741.003 Julie Ireton

And believing her.

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1741.043 - 1741.443 Anne-Marie Robinson

Yeah.

1741.683 - 1742.944 Sam Mullins

Oh yeah, absolutely.

1743.245 - 1754.171 Julie Ireton

But we now know the teacher's next move was to Anne-Marie's school. Anne-Marie does not blame Sam for that. She only has gratitude. Can I give you a hug?

1754.831 - 1763.059 Anne-Marie Robinson

I've wanted to give you a hug for so long. Thank you for punching that asshole in the face.

1763.099 - 1770.326 Sam Mullins

Honestly, thank you. You're so welcome. If I could do it again, I would have hit him with both.

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