My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 20: 20/20
Wed, 20 Nov 2024
It's time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia!This week, K & G recap Episode 20: 20/20, when Karen discussed the Night Stalker and his subsequent capture and Georgia covered New Zealand’s infamous Bain Family Murders. Listen for all-new commentary, case updates and much more!Whether you've listened a thousand times or you're new to the show, join the conversation as we look back on our old episodes and discuss the life lessons we’ve learned along the way. Head to social media to share your favorite moments from this episode! Instagram: instagram.com/myfavoritemurder Facebook: facebook.com/myfavoritemurderTikTok: tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murderNow with updated sources and photos: https://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodesMy Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories, and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921.The Exactly Right podcast network provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics, including true crime, comedy, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3UFCn1g. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: What is the theme of Episode 20: 20/20?
This is exactly right.
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Chapter 2: What is the Night Stalker case?
Yeah. I'll just try to do this, encapsulate. So he was born in 1960 in El Paso, Texas, the youngest of seven children in basically the barrio. Is that a politically correct way to say it? Yes. It's a bad part of town in El Paso. His parents were... His father was...
a railway worker but he was illegal so he probably didn't make great money um and uh so uh he also early on got hit in the head with a swing and got knocked out for uh a while i think they said like an hour if your kid gets hit in the head send them back and then there was another thing i was looking at it was like
um ted bundy the green river killer richard ramirez john wayne gacy um fred west who's that british lunatic who like killed raped all those girls killed his own children um get all had head injuries as children dude so you know keep your eye out you know who else did karen kilgara shut up What happened? My mom tripped over my high chair when I was like six months old.
I had stitches in the front of my head. Smash. And then later on, I don't think this is... This was my own private pain, but during swimming lessons, I tried to do a front forward somersault jump off the side of the pool and just smacked my head. Holy shit. Super hard. And... I just, nobody saw it.
And so I just held the side of the pool and kind of like quietly cried to myself until I felt better and then kept on swimming. Because swimming above all, right? When you're a kid.
Totally. You probably had a concussion. I probably did. Holy shit. I probably did.
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There's one of them. There it is. Okay. So here's the bad part. Ricky being the youngest was kind of like, he was basically a juvenile delinquent. Robbed a bunch of shit, did stuff, got sent to juvie. And his older cousin Mike came back from Vietnam, and he had been a Green Beret in Vietnam. And it's as bad as you think, Mike...
Ricky hung around with Mike, and Mike was like, here's all the shit I did to women in Vietnam. Here's what we did to that enemy. Here's this, here's that. Just filling his head with all this terrible shit. Showed him pictures and mutilations and torture. Horrible, like, Polaroid pictures. And and Mike was married and the two of them would hang out.
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Chapter 3: Who were the victims of Richard Ramirez?
So later in the day, they say that they have linked that this attack on the Aboaths is the final link that they are all the same suspect from all of these attacks. And this is the first public revelation that there's a serial killer loose in Southern California. That took that many bodies. Yeah. And also because it was so random. Sun Valley and Diamond Bar are two very different cities.
So August 10th, reports of crimes made by citizens to LAPD communications are up 15%. Everyone's on edge. They're freaking out. So people are calling in. There's increased sales at gun shops, of course. Everyone's freaking out. I would be staying in a hotel. Forever. Indefinitely. So then the Board of Supervisors offers a $10,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction.
Gonna need more than that, bro. But you know what? Up that shit. Let's get that money up there. So... Now they link back to the shooting of Ceylon U in Monterey Park from March 17th. They're like, it's this one too. The gun, the ballistics evidence that they have links that in. Then on August 17th, a man named Peter Pan, who was 66, yeah, was shot and killed in his bed in his San Francisco home.
Oh, fuck. And his wife, Barbara, who's 64, is shot and beaten, but she survives. That's her name, Wendy. Yeah.
was that the most insensitive thing i've ever said no no we have to do it okay uh and their dog was also the nanny um that's the part i love in peter pan where it's like you're so the dog takes care of the children yeah and then he locks them out and they go missing right they all do drugs and fly off the roof yeah good good job dad um so august 22nd uh
the cops in San Francisco announced that the slaying of Peter Pan and his wife is the night soccer. And that's when NorCal goes, ape shit. I still remember. I can't remember, like... I just remember watching it on the news with my family. We...
We watched so much news every night. Yeah, news was a nightly occurrence. You know how we all avoid it now? No, that's not what you did.
You watched it as a family and went through it. But I remember that Dianne Feinstein was on. They were making official announcements. It was all breaking news. It was a big deal.
I remember when news was from 6 to 7 and then there was going to be a 10 to 11 and that was it for news. It wasn't like how it is now.
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Chapter 4: How did the police catch the Night Stalker?
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All right, so my favorite murder. All right, this is one that people keep wanting us to do, and I didn't know about it until we started doing this show, which I love finding new ones out. That is a good feeling. All right, this is the Bain Family Murders. I don't know this one. I don't think so. All right, you guys in New Zealand.
I hear everyone from New Zealand cheering right now because they're like, finally.
We have severely underserved Australia, New Zealand, that whole area.
Can I tell you, I met some girls who were from Australia and I was like, well, Australia is better. And they're like, why? And I'm like, you have better serial killers. And they thought, I think they looked at me like I was fucking, like, I don't think that they were on the same level as me. They're not one of us.
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Chapter 5: What impact did the Night Stalker have on public safety?
Like I get washing your hands cause you have black shit all over your hands, but going down to the washing machine and stripping down and washing all your clothes and turning the washing machine on immediately doesn't make any sense. It sure doesn't.
Also, I read another thing that was saying that he, in his explanation of what happened to the cops, he said he saw his mother and his sister, like two people. But on the 911 call, he says they're dead. They're all dead.
oh so he was trying to make it seem like no how did he know they were all dead if in his it's another one of his he fucked up by saying that they're all dead when and he had only seen two of the bodies oh so how did he know they were all dead oh yeah and then i kind of interpreted the dad's um if the dad had done it i kind of interpreted his his um
you know his his uh computer message saying um you're the only one who deserves to still be here as like maybe maybe he's killing them thinking that he's doing them a favor and he thinks his son is a piece of shit and he's like you're the only one who still deserves to be on this shitty planet oh like he means it in the negative yeah not like you're the only good enough person to not get killed maybe you're the only one who's not good i mean that's crazy
Yeah. But doesn't it seem very like classic narcissist where you would write a fake letter talking about how great you were? Yeah.
To me, it's too much.
Yes. That the dad would be like, I'm going to murder everybody. We've all been in this house together doing God knows what terrible shit. Yeah. I pick you as my favorite. Everybody else is going down.
To me, it's too much. It's too stupid that the son would write that. Like it should he should have written some. I think he would have known to write something more. Yeah, but he was a 20-year-old paper boy. Yeah, but it sounds like he planned this whole murder out because he also did a thing where he made sure his whole family, he called the family meeting the night before.
It seems like what people are explaining that as is that he was trying to make sure everyone was in the house that night and the next day. Wow. Yeah. I don't think there's any way he didn't do it.
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Chapter 6: How did the community respond to the Night Stalker?
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I didn't want to be talked out of this plan.
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