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The Man of Many Faces

Tue, 17 Dec 2024

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Andrea Canning reports on the dramatic updates in the case of international fugitive Nicholas Rossi, who faked his death. Will the man with multiple identities finally face justice?Andrea Canning and Dateline producer Lynn Keller go behind the scenes of the making of this episode in ‘Talking Dateline’: Listen on Apple: https://apple.co/4gCoeerListen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/00qjvxS0f4SfXpBlzaSpXq

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0.469 - 1.99 Lester Holt

Tonight on Dateline.

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2.17 - 4.611 Mary Grabinski

You tried to put me through hell, but I am still here.

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5.471 - 12.554 Lester Holt

A dramatic turn in the case of a fugitive with multiple identities and more than a dozen accusers.

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13.794 - 19.897 Catherine Heckendorn

He seemed very sympathetic and reassuring. He said he graduated Harvard.

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21.677 - 28.52 Mary Grabinski

He went from charming to a monster in a heartbeat. Stop ignoring me! I wondered if he was going to kill me in that basement.

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28.869 - 32.111 Andrea Canning

Nicholas has quite an alleged spree of assaults.

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32.391 - 38.315 Detective Connor O'Donnell

He does. He was a devil spawn. He really was. I learned that Nick was being sought by the FBI for fraud.

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38.475 - 39.736 Catherine Heckendorn

He just kind of disappeared.

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40.116 - 43.118 Father Bernard Healy

He said we believe he's faked his own death, that he's in Europe.

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44.079 - 46.8 Lynn Keller

Did you sexually assault anyone? Did you defraud anyone?

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46.82 - 52.264 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

I felt like you kind of represented all the women in that moment.

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58.938 - 61.859 Mary Grabinski

The judge needs to know this is not a man you can trust.

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62.799 - 85.843 Lester Holt

After a year's long manhunt, will an international con man, now back on U.S. soil, finally face justice? I'm Lester Holt, and this is Dateline. Here's Andrea Canning with The Man of Many Faces.

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91.138 - 97.482 Andrea Canning

Mary Grabinski arrived in Salt Lake City on a mission. One that began a long time ago.

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98.062 - 101.324 Lynn Keller

Does this feel a little bit like a full circle moment?

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102.644 - 126.624 Andrea Canning

It does. In 2008, she survived a sexual assault. Today, she'll see her attacker once again. And this time, she'll watch him face charges from another accuser. He's a danger. He's a menace. Mary's battle for justice led investigators to more women and sparked an international manhunt. He thrives on hurting people. Now she's hoping he'll finally be stopped.

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127.165 - 131.129 Mary Grabinski

It's heartbreaking because I should have been the last one. It should have ended with me.

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131.769 - 159.372 Andrea Canning

Tonight, a surprising revelation from her attacker, someone Dateline has been tracking for years. To authorities, he's Nicholas Alaverdean, a convicted sex offender, a con man with multiple identities. But he told us he's an innocent Irish orphan named Arthur Knight, wrongly accused of horrific crimes. So are you saying that they've got the wrong guy?

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159.392 - 161.753 Lynn Keller

Are you crying, Arthur?

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166.257 - 173.522 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

Forgive me. I'm sorry. I can't walk. People say that's not. Let me try to stand up. Let me try to stand up.

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174.463 - 178.145 Andrea Canning

A lot has happened since that interview, and it's not over yet.

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178.545 - 182.568 Judge

How does Mr. Rossi plead to the crimes charged in the information?

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182.808 - 183.509 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

Not guilty, Your Honor.

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189.932 - 202.381 Andrea Canning

To understand how we got here, we need to go back in time to Rhode Island, the place where Nicholas Oliverdian, the man with many faces and names, was born. It was 1987, just outside of Providence.

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203.182 - 211.608 Michael Aliverdian

Gentle soul, smiling face. He'd run into my arms, always happy to see me. He was just a happy child.

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212.992 - 224.179 Andrea Canning

Michael Aliverdian is Nicholas's uncle. He says behind his nephew's smile was a childhood that was anything but idyllic. What was the family dynamic like with Nicholas when he was a child?

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224.419 - 232.624 Michael Aliverdian

There was turmoil in the family. My brother had some issues, so there were quite a few fights, arguments, that type of thing.

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233.999 - 253.492 Andrea Canning

Nicholas's father was a felon, convicted of writing fraudulent checks, dealing drugs, and domestic assault. The situation at home in Cranston, a suburb of Providence, became so dangerous, Michael says Nicholas's mother got a restraining order and went into hiding with Nicholas and his younger brother and sister. The couple eventually divorced.

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254.233 - 258.075 Michael Aliverdian

I'm sure that took its toll on Nicholas and his siblings.

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259.897 - 269.674 Andrea Canning

And things only got worse by the time Nicholas turned 12. His mother was unable to care for him, so he ended up in foster care, floating between different families and group homes.

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270.315 - 275.216 Tom Mooney

According to Nick, he was treated poorly. He was raped, assaulted.

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276.557 - 291.903 Andrea Canning

Tom Mooney writes for the Providence Journal and has been reporting on Nicholas for years. He's a consultant on this story. He says despite living through one trauma after the next, Nicholas was determined to make something of his life. A family court judge gave him that chance.

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292.603 - 302.612 Tom Mooney

Arrangements were made to give Nick a job at the statehouse as a statehouse page. Pages are teenage kids who do clerical work.

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303.233 - 307.556 Andrea Canning

It was the perfect fit for Nicholas, and he became a fixture at Rhode Island's seat of power.

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308.337 - 316.825 Brian Coogan

I was a rep from 2000 to 2004. I first met Nick across from the rotunda, and he was about 14 years old, and he was a page.

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317.881 - 324.165 Andrea Canning

Former state representative Brian Coogan says the teenager impressed everyone with a tireless work ethic and a brilliant mind.

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324.865 - 330.628 Brian Coogan

He would read bills that most reps and senators wouldn't read. He'd read it from front to back. He was like a lawyer by trade.

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331.389 - 337.152 Andrea Canning

Nicholas spent long days at the statehouse wowing legislators before returning home to his other life.

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337.873 - 339.874 Brian Coogan

Nick was actually pretty much a ward of the state.

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341.141 - 358.648 Andrea Canning

Coogan was so taken with Nicholas and everything he'd been through that he briefly considered adopting him. That didn't work out. By 19, Nicholas aged out of the system and later went to college. Five years after that, he was back at the statehouse, this time fighting to bring change to the foster care system.

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359.088 - 365.491 Tom Mooney

That's how he got attention from the media. That's how he got great support and sympathy from lawmakers.

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366.231 - 370.373 Andrea Canning

We found one state rep who remembers Nicholas as a young, shining star on the Hill.

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371.098 - 375.959 Raymond Hull

If you see people with compassion that really want to advocate for something, that's Nick.

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377.019 - 386.682 Andrea Canning

In 2011, Representative Raymond Hull was newly elected when he was approached by Nicholas. He describes him as a young man with a tenacious spirit, determined to make a difference.

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387.322 - 395.364 Raymond Hull

I said, Nick, whatever I can do for you, how to help you, and I think I even sponsored a couple of bills for him to try to change the processes of DCYF.

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396.684 - 414.3 Andrea Canning

DCYF, the Department of Children, Youth, and Families, The agency Nicholas claimed failed to protect him as a teenager. And I was subjected to torture, beatings, assault in various forms. Nicholas sued DCYF. They denied the allegations and the case was ultimately settled.

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414.7 - 422.543 Andrea Canning

The details of the settlement are sealed, but the stories Nicholas told people about his experience brought him sympathy and some powerful allies.

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422.983 - 426.084 Brian Coogan

Nick will have his rallies here and ask people to support him, come down.

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426.404 - 436.552 Andrea Canning

It's kids. And you know what? Kids are more important. Nicholas reconnected with his uncle, Michael Aliverdian. Michael says he was impressed at the man his nephew had become.

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436.572 - 445.234 Michael Aliverdian

I was amazed at his knowledge, his intelligence, what he was trying to do, which I thought was a great thing. He was trying to protect children.

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445.854 - 454.856 Andrea Canning

And he continued to do that for the next several years. But his crusade was about to be cut short. He contacted the press in Rhode Island with a tragic announcement.

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455.356 - 458.537 Tom Mooney

He had this terminal illness, non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.

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459.252 - 464.257 Andrea Canning

And less than two months later, the news was out. Nicholas Aliverdian was dead at the age of 32.

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465.839 - 468.902 News Announcer

Nicholas Aliverdian passed away from a long battle with cancer.

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470.103 - 479.032 Andrea Canning

But before long, new information about Nicholas would start making its way around Rhode Island, leaving everyone wondering how well they really knew him.

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479.373 - 481.395 Father Bernard Healy

Shortly afterwards, I got a call from the state police.

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482.031 - 490.776 Andrea Canning

Getting to the bottom of what happened to Nicholas would become a game of cat and mouse, spanning three countries, involving multiple law enforcement agencies.

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491.316 - 492.737 Lynn Keller

The FBI is investigating you.

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492.857 - 503.463 Andrea Canning

Me? You're being looked at for kidnapping, sexual assault, fraud. Incorrect. With a conclusion stranger than fiction. Did this case just keep getting crazier and crazier?

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503.883 - 505.844 David Levitt

It seems to get crazier by the minute.

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517.927 - 521.37 Michael Aliverdian

WPRO, Providence, Accumula Station.

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522.091 - 528.696 News Announcer

Sad news to pass along. Nicholas Aliverdian passed away from a long battle with cancer. Nicholas Aliverdian was 32.

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530.858 - 545.05 Andrea Canning

His obituary, sent out by the Office of Nicholas Aliverdian, ran in local papers in the Boston Globe. The piece lauded Nicholas as a beloved community leader, peacemaker, warrior, and Rhode Island legislators paid tribute to him.

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545.711 - 551.996 Legislator

It's a house resolution expressing the passion of Nicholas Halliburton. Very, very sad. May you rest in peace, Nicholas.

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553.017 - 555.458 Andrea Canning

His uncle was also sad, but proud.

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556.259 - 557.28 Michael Aliverdian

He accomplished something.

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558.541 - 566.007 Andrea Canning

Father Bernard Healy of Our Lady of Mercy Catholic Church got a call from a woman who said she was Nicholas's widow, a woman named Louise. Louise.

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566.832 - 572.454 Father Bernard Healy

She said she was in Switzerland. He had died. She asked if she could have a memorial mass here at Our Lady of Mercy.

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572.715 - 574.635 Lynn Keller

Is this something that you were happy to do for her?

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574.655 - 577.477 Father Bernard Healy

Yeah, it's a memorial mass. I said, we have memorial masses for anybody.

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578.657 - 582.039 Andrea Canning

So she sent Nicholas's bio for the priest to reference at the mass.

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582.799 - 588.321 Father Bernard Healy

And after reading that biography, you would think that he was a cross between Mother Teresa and Nelson Mandela.

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589.222 - 591.903 Andrea Canning

At that point, Father Healy wasn't sure how to respond.

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592.577 - 597.999 Father Bernard Healy

Shortly afterwards, I got a call from the state police. We'd ask you not to have the mask because Nicholas is not dead.

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598.019 - 599.36 Legislator

Oh, wow.

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599.68 - 603.142 Father Bernard Healy

They said, well, we believe he's faked his own death, that he's in Europe.

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603.162 - 617.948 Andrea Canning

Oh, my gosh. He faked his own death? But why would a respected man who'd become such a positive force for change try to fool everyone? Turns out he had a darker side, and it apparently emerged early in his life.

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618.888 - 620.369 David Rossi

I said, these kids need a father figure.

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621.758 - 636.109 Andrea Canning

David Rossi is Nicholas's adoptive father. Nicholas was eight when David married his mom in 1996. The two fell in love in a Rhode Island nightclub where David was an Engelbert Humperdinck impersonator who mingled with his idol and sang his hit songs.

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637.45 - 646.698 David Rossi

She was waitressing and she was absolutely beautiful. We got serious. We got married.

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648.019 - 654.341 Andrea Canning

That's when Nicholas Aliverdian became Nicholas Rossi. Even at a young age, David could tell he was a bright kid.

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655.101 - 666.312 David Rossi

Computer whiz, math whiz, just in general. Very high IQ, but he knew it. And he took advantage of it. He would threaten people. I'll get out my computer, I'll ruin your life in five minutes.

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667.693 - 675.721 Andrea Canning

Along with those threats came physical violence by Nicholas. David remembers one morning before school when Nicholas wouldn't stop hitting his mother.

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676.294 - 694.669 David Rossi

He was swinging at her, swinging at me. I picked him up, put him on the bus in his underwear. The bus drove away. The school called us. But, you know, you're at a point where you don't know what to do with this kid. He ruined every Thanksgiving, every Christmas, every birthday for him and his siblings. He was wicked. He was a devil spawn. He really was.

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695.95 - 716.356 Andrea Canning

David says it got to the point where Nicholas's behavior was so bad they had to institutionalize him several times. But nothing seemed to work. They threw him out of there. Nobody could handle him. David admits he eventually hit a breaking point. When Nicholas was 10 years old, the family took a trip to Disney World. He says Nicholas attacked his mother again.

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716.937 - 729.736 David Rossi

He started hitting her. When I tell you I snapped like that, I couldn't take no more. I beat the hell out of him. I put him in the hospital. I lost it. I'm ashamed of it. I always will be. She had to pull me off him.

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730.076 - 733.297 Lynn Keller

He's a child, though, and you're an adult, and that's child abuse.

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733.377 - 738.518 David Rossi

I snapped. All the years, all the years of the problem and the trouble.

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739.319 - 759.457 Andrea Canning

David was arrested for assault in Florida, but Nicholas's mom asked to have the charges dropped, and the case went nowhere. Shortly after, David walked out on the family. That was about the time Nicholas ended up in foster care. It was a few years later when state rep Ryan Coogan considered adopting him. Did he straight up ask you, will you adopt me?

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759.657 - 760.358 Brian Coogan

Yes, he did.

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761.239 - 772.291 Andrea Canning

Nicholas was 14 when he called Brian one day from the courthouse crying. He said he was about to be shipped off to yet another group home if he wasn't adopted that very day. Brian raced over to the courthouse.

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773.308 - 793.073 Brian Coogan

The judge said, do you know what's going on with this kid? I said, judge, he's being abused. He's got marks on him, scratches, bruises. The judge says he had his whole file. He says, I can't show you this file, but trust me, everything he's telling you that's being done to him, he's actually doing to the other kids. Wow.

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793.533 - 795.114 Andrea Canning

Those are big allegations.

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795.514 - 796.574 Brian Coogan

Big, big.

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797.799 - 811.325 Andrea Canning

Since records involving children are sealed, the allegations made against Nicholas can't be verified. Coogan took the judge's advice and didn't adopt Nicholas, and maybe dodged a bullet. Veteran reporter Tom Mooney thinks so.

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811.966 - 825.392 Tom Mooney

There are innumerable people who have come to his aid over the years, who have wanted to help him, who he ultimately turns on. That sort of gets to that other side of Nick Galliverian.

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826.089 - 841.077 Andrea Canning

When Nick was 18, he moved to Ohio. He was about to age out of the foster care system when a couple from Dayton agreed to take him in. In 2008, at age 21, he began attending Sinclair Community College in Dayton. That's when he first met Mary Grabinski.

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841.097 - 846.079 Mary Grabinski

I was 19 years old. I was in my first quarter of college. I was just starting life.

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846.759 - 849.141 Andrea Canning

She says Nicholas reached out to her on MySpace.

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849.781 - 853.423 Mary Grabinski

He told me that he was new to the area and he wanted to have friends in the area.

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854.645 - 865.607 Andrea Canning

She told Nicholas she had a boyfriend and wasn't interested in anything romantic. He assured her it was not a problem. Soon after, they agreed to meet for lunch at the school cafeteria and she brought along a friend.

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866.127 - 873.949 Mary Grabinski

He was extremely friendly. We hit it off and he was charming. He was so easy to talk to. He was a good listener. We had a good time. Yeah.

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874.689 - 884.792 Andrea Canning

Afterward, Nick asked Mary if he could walk her to her next class. Since it was the middle of the day on a busy college campus, she thought, why not? Her classroom was in the basement.

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885.392 - 889.173 Mary Grabinski

So when he took me into the basement, I didn't think anything weird of it.

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889.953 - 894.735 Andrea Canning

But in that basement, Mary encountered a terrifying version of Nicholas Alaverdean.

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895.195 - 898.176 Mary Grabinski

There were a couple of times I wondered if he was going to kill me in that basement.

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913.263 - 925.292 Andrea Canning

In the winter of 2008 on an Ohio college campus, 21-year-old Nicholas Rossi walked Mary Grabinski to class. Once they reached the bottom of a stairwell, she says Nick suddenly turned on her.

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926.013 - 940.063 Mary Grabinski

He pins me up against the wall and he starts both hands going up my shirt. And what are you saying to him? I'm saying, hey, can you please get off me? I need to go to my class. Did he stop? No. He had his hands up my shirt. I just couldn't push him off me.

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941.404 - 945.969 Andrea Canning

She saw another student coming down the stairs, but Mary was too paralyzed to scream.

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946.589 - 949.572 Mary Grabinski

Probably just thought we were horny teenagers and ran right out.

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950.553 - 952.034 Andrea Canning

Nicholas was undeterred.

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953.175 - 962.384 Mary Grabinski

He went from, you know, touching my shirt to, you know, taking my pants off and yeah. Oh, he's pulling your pants down. Yeah, he's touching himself.

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963.284 - 967.456 Lynn Keller

Oh my gosh. What is going through your mind as all of this is happening in front of you?

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967.656 - 973.681 Mary Grabinski

I thought for sure he was going to rape me, but I did. There were a couple of times I wondered if, you know, he was going to kill me in that basement.

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974.001 - 975.983 Lynn Keller

What does he say when he is finished?

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976.243 - 979.366 Mary Grabinski

Pretty much he finishes, and I just went to my class.

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980.531 - 990.715 Andrea Canning

She says when her class was over, he was back. Nicholas was standing outside her classroom. When he saw her, he profusely apologized.

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991.135 - 996.017 Mary Grabinski

He was begging me at that point not to press charges or to tell anybody what had happened.

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996.817 - 1003.5 Andrea Canning

Mary ignored him and went straight to the campus police. After starting an investigation, they sent her to the local prosecutor's office.

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1004.335 - 1022.641 Mary Grabinski

When I first talked to the prosecutors, they said that they didn't have enough evidence to pursue a case against him. They didn't want to do anything? No, not at first. It wasn't until they got a police report stating his version, saying that I was the aggressor,

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1023.237 - 1027.678 Lynn Keller

Probably their gut feeling, too, was looking at you and saying, really? Yeah. She's the aggressor?

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1027.698 - 1028.839 Andrea Canning

You said you were 90 pounds?

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1028.919 - 1031.339 Mary Grabinski

Yeah, I was very thin back then, yeah.

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1032 - 1036.221 Andrea Canning

There was something about the way Nicholas attacked her that made her feel like he'd done this before.

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1036.961 - 1043.283 Mary Grabinski

It almost felt ritualistic. I knew I was not his first, but I wanted to make sure I was the last.

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1044.255 - 1064.967 Andrea Canning

In fact, Mary learned that another woman in Ohio just 15 days earlier reported to police that Nicholas Rossi had sexually assaulted her, but she decided not to pursue it further. In Mary's case, he was charged with public indecency and sexual imposition, which means sexual contact against a person's will. What did he take from you in that moment?

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1065.888 - 1071.011 Mary Grabinski

Pretty much my will to live. But that was just the beginning for me.

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1071.811 - 1072.912 Lynn Keller

Yeah, it didn't end there. No.

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1076.596 - 1083.202 Andrea Canning

Nicholas pleaded not guilty and the case went to trial. Mary says that's when she was victimized yet again.

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1083.983 - 1098.236 Mary Grabinski

The worst part was his defense coming at me and picking me and my story apart. Talking about what happened to me wasn't hard. Having someone, you know, question who I am as a person, question my integrity, that was hard.

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1098.783 - 1111.969 Andrea Canning

But the attack on Mary's credibility didn't work. The judge believed her and convicted Nicholas on both charges. Mary says he showed up to his sentencing wearing a three-piece suit and holding something she'd never seen him with before.

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1112.629 - 1123.833 Mary Grabinski

He brought a cane and came in with a limp, and neither of the other two hearings that we had did he pretend as if he was injured. You know, he walked fine.

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1124.094 - 1125.054 Andrea Canning

Did you think it was a show?

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1125.074 - 1127.315 Mary Grabinski

I know, I know, I know for sure it was a show.

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1127.881 - 1134.526 Andrea Canning

And she thinks his show may have had an effect. Nicholas got no jail time. What did the judge sentence him to?

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1134.826 - 1147.434 Mary Grabinski

He did sentence a fine. He had to attend a sex offender rehabilitation program. He had to register as a sex offender for 15 years.

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1147.974 - 1158.224 Andrea Canning

But that wasn't the last Mary would hear from Nicholas. A few months later, she got word that the judge was taking another look at the case. Nicholas claimed he had new evidence that would clear him.

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1158.51 - 1162.513 Mary Grabinski

He has a fake MySpace blog that's supposed to be authored by me.

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1162.533 - 1168.897 Andrea Canning

It implied Mary lied and got Nick arrested because she didn't want her boyfriend to think she cheated on him with Nick.

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1169.277 - 1171.799 Mary Grabinski

What did you say to the prosecutor? I said I didn't write that.

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1173.018 - 1178.084 Andrea Canning

The judge agreed the post was fake and closed the case, but Nicholas still wouldn't let it go.

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1178.104 - 1190.276 Mary Grabinski

He tried to sue all the prosecutors involved. He ended up suing me. He was saying that because he had to register as a sex offender, it was hard for him to get dates, and... employment opportunities.

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1190.997 - 1204.129 Andrea Canning

So now Mary had to defend herself again against the man who sexually assaulted her. She had to borrow money from her parents to hire an attorney. What emotions are you feeling? It's pretty much fear the whole time. Fear? Yeah.

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1205.21 - 1209.754 Mary Grabinski

Fear that I, you know, the litigation could go his way and I have to pay him millions of dollars.

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1210.444 - 1228.437 Andrea Canning

All the while, Nick cyberstalked her, carrying out an online smear campaign on a men's rights website called A Voice for Men, posting pictures of her and her personal information. Eventually, the case was thrown out and Nicholas was ordered to pay Mary's legal fees. But amazingly, it wasn't over.

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1229.237 - 1234.561 Mary Grabinski

My husband called him crazy on a blog. He found out and

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1236.118 - 1259.157 Andrea Canning

not soon after litigation came and what happens this time he loses the case and i get all my lawyer fees paid back it was then that nicholas moved back to rhode island and returned to the state house apparently without anyone there knowing he had a criminal record instead at 23 years old nicholas had a new polished look and a new crusade to change the foster care system

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1259.978 - 1270.369 Andrea Canning

And like a young Jekyll and Hyde, according to police reports, he was also terrorizing women. Nicholas has quite an alleged spree of assaults here in Rhode Island.

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1270.83 - 1281.601 Tom Mooney

He does. There are five or six women who alleged that he had assaulted them or threatened them or kept them sort of kidnapped.

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1282.762 - 1296.768 Andrea Canning

The incidents occurred between March of 2010 and May of 2011. One of them involved someone close to Nicholas, his new wife. Nicholas had gotten married, and soon after, police responded to a domestic disturbance call at their apartment.

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1297.589 - 1321.033 Tom Mooney

The police come in and they notice that Nick's wife has some abrasions on her face, a redness on her neck, and they decide to arrest him at that point. When he gets into the cruiser, he's banging his head against the bars that are protecting the glass. The police officers had to use pepper spray to get him to calm down.

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1322.074 - 1336.341 Andrea Canning

Nicholas pleaded no contest to domestic abuse and received probation. The couple later divorced. As for several of his other alleged victims, they told Mooney they dropped their complaints. Do you think they were just scared of Nicholas?

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1336.957 - 1348.303 Tom Mooney

Oh, absolutely. Some of them have told me that was the reason they chose not to pursue any kind of criminal action against Nick is because they were terrified of him.

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1349.884 - 1364.833 Andrea Canning

His time in Rhode Island seemed to have run its course. He left the state again. Another reinvention was in the making. By 2015, he was 28 years old. He had a new woman in his sights, and she had no idea what was coming.

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1365.703 - 1369.083 Catherine Heckendorn

I didn't know how I could continue honestly to survive.

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1384.938 - 1402.285 Andrea Canning

After his legal troubles in Rhode Island, Nicholas moved back to Dayton, Ohio. And straight out of his playbook, he appeared to dazzle local lawmakers. Here he is speaking at a city council meeting. I think the most important thing to remember here is that... He even started a nonprofit to help revitalize downtown Dayton.

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1402.866 - 1412.35 Catherine Heckendorn

This nonprofit was called the Community Progress Institute. What was that about? Just to raise money to kind of bring back the life, the pizzazz back to Dayton.

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1412.99 - 1425.535 Andrea Canning

Catherine Heckendorn had a front row seat to the new Nicholas, who had gone back to using his birth name, Aliverdian. She met him in 2015. He was 28 and had joined her church. He immediately piqued her interest.

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1426.035 - 1431.858 Catherine Heckendorn

And I thought, I said, perfect, a church guy. Yeah. This is pretty safe. You can't get any safer than this.

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1433.258 - 1439.521 Andrea Canning

She found him to be kind and caring. Catherine had just been through a traumatic experience with another man and was feeling vulnerable.

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1440.481 - 1453.712 Catherine Heckendorn

He seemed very sympathetic and reassuring that I should feel safe and comfortable and he'll take care of me. Did that make you feel good? It did. I think that's exactly what I was looking for.

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1454.778 - 1467.401 Andrea Canning

They started meeting for coffee and dinners. They talked about their lives. He said he'd been married once before, but it didn't work out. He told her he was a Harvard grad and shared his dreams about his nonprofit. She found herself falling for him.

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1467.942 - 1474.703 Catherine Heckendorn

There was a mystery that I couldn't put my finger on, which kind of drew me to him.

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1476.384 - 1480.225 Andrea Canning

After dating for just a few months, to her surprise, he proposed.

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1481.104 - 1501.642 Catherine Heckendorn

We're sitting on the couch watching some TV at his place and he just turns to me and says, we should get married. I mean, were you shocked? I was very shocked. I knew everything in me was saying no, no, no, no, too soon. Something's off about this. He doesn't even really know me. I don't know him.

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1502.943 - 1505.966 Andrea Canning

Catherine told him she wasn't ready, but Nicholas persisted.

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1506.826 - 1524.317 Catherine Heckendorn

I started to get annoyed and frustrated. But at the same time, I always wanted to be a wife. I always wanted to be a mom. And I think that desire for those things outweighed the fishiness. Yeah, and common sense.

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1525.538 - 1537.941 Andrea Canning

She finally gave in, and they married the very next day at City Hall. For Catherine, it was far from the dream wedding she'd always hoped for. And the day after they were married, Nick showed a dark side she'd never seen before.

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1538.601 - 1549.984 Catherine Heckendorn

I don't remember what the argument was about, but it was the very next day where he lays his hands on me for the first time. Hits you? Yeah. Yes.

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1550.664 - 1552.305 Lynn Keller

What do you do? Do you run?

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1552.385 - 1564.965 Catherine Heckendorn

Do you say something to him? Do you call the police? Um... try to run, try to call the police. He would always manage to get to my phone and take it, so I could never call for help.

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1567.042 - 1571.944 Andrea Canning

There was one incident at their house early in their marriage when she was able to call the police.

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1572.704 - 1576.146 Catherine Heckendorn

So they showed up and arrested him for domestic violence.

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1577.327 - 1582.469 Andrea Canning

She says a detective told her something frightening, that her husband was a registered sex offender.

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1583.049 - 1596.155 Catherine Heckendorn

And he had warned me that he's dangerous, that he does daily rounds on the house, and that he's afraid next time he drives by, I will be either chained up in the basement or dead.

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1597.102 - 1602.105 Andrea Canning

Despite that, she bailed him out and withdrew her complaint. She kept hoping things would get better.

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1602.926 - 1610.643 Catherine Heckendorn

That was rough because each time then I got this false hope that The stranger's going to go away and Nick's going to come back.

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1611.323 - 1618.988 Andrea Canning

But he became more and more controlling. Catherine says he wouldn't allow her to have a job and forced her to cook and clean and wear skirts with pantyhose.

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1619.468 - 1622.91 Catherine Heckendorn

You know, take care of the house, make sure he had food when he got home.

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1624.071 - 1626.453 Andrea Canning

She said image was everything to Nicholas.

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1626.973 - 1636.719 Catherine Heckendorn

He always preferred, like, a bow tie. I think he was looking for something very, like, sophisticated and strong enough to make him stand out.

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1637.802 - 1651.826 Andrea Canning

Everything seemed to be a show, even Nick's nonprofit. He told her he desperately needed an infusion of cash to keep it going. Catherine says she made the mistake of telling him she had a savings account, money her parents had put away for her from the time she was little.

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1652.607 - 1669.1 Catherine Heckendorn

And he said that if I don't give him money, his business is going to collapse and we won't be able to eat and that'll be my fault. So I gave him about $10,000 and And as time went on, he said, we need more.

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1670.301 - 1689.068 Andrea Canning

She says the nonprofit accomplished nothing, and she discovered his business wasn't the only thing that was fake. So was his Harvard degree. He'd only taken a course at the Extension School. So he lied. He did. On top of that, he had a taste for the finer things. And Catherine says he was using her money to pay for his lifestyle.

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1689.489 - 1700.793 Catherine Heckendorn

I see him spending it on lavish, expensive meals, clothes, like first-class flights, five-star hotels. How much did you end up giving him? Close to $55,000.

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1704.704 - 1717.369 Andrea Canning

The more he lived it up, the more she lived in constant fear of his explosive temper. Sometimes when they'd argue, she says he would lock her in the bathroom. How long would he leave you in there for? The longest time was about two days.

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1718.11 - 1724.573 Catherine Heckendorn

He always made it my fault. And after a while, I think I started believing that.

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1725.693 - 1730.315 Andrea Canning

Yeah. She says the worst of it would come when she refused him in the bedroom.

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1730.995 - 1752.618 Catherine Heckendorn

Even though we were married, he would rape me. Did you feel just like a prisoner? Yeah. I'm sorry. I didn't know it was possible to be so alone. I didn't know how I could continue, honestly, to survive.

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1754.98 - 1769.386 Andrea Canning

Catherine knew she had to get out of the marriage, but she also knew Nicholas wouldn't make it easy. She needed proof he was abusing her. This is your big moment. You've got your phone ready to go. You're going to secretly record him. Yeah.

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1770.207 - 1775.229 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

What are you hiding from me? Give me your phone. Stop ignoring me!

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1789.338 - 1805.643 Andrea Canning

After five months of marriage, Catherine Heckendorn made a decision. She had to leave her husband. The polished church-going man was all an act, and she was going to prove it. You're going to secretly record him to try to show the world the hell that you've been living through.

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1806.323 - 1810.284 Lynn Keller

Yeah. Can you play some of that for us today?

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1810.485 - 1818.087 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

Yeah. Give me your phone. Give me your phone. Stop ignoring me!

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1821.496 - 1827.5 Catherine Heckendorn

What are you doing? I'm getting out of this negative atmosphere. No! Stop it!

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1827.96 - 1833.084 Unidentified Voice

No! No! Stop!

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1835.946 - 1841.85 Lynn Keller

I see you shaking right now. Did that take you back to that place? Yeah, very much so.

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1843.914 - 1854.421 Andrea Canning

She immediately sent the recording to her father for safekeeping. It would take two more months before she finally had the courage to walk out the door. She got on her knees and she prayed.

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1854.441 - 1868.236 Catherine Heckendorn

Lord, let me know in a clear, distinct manner that I may act upon it and immediately get out. Go. Go. So I grabbed my purse.

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1869.216 - 1874.458 Andrea Canning

She left everything else behind, even her beloved dogs. Catherine needed to move quickly.

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1875.298 - 1906.515 Catherine Heckendorn

So I get in my car and start driving. And through his GPS tracking, he discovers that and proceeds to pursue me. He catches up to you and is chasing you? Yeah. Are you terrified? Yeah. I had run through a red light and kind of head-on kind of T-bone another car. He's there? He sees this happen? Yeah, so as soon as he sees that I get in a car crash, he leaves.

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1907.576 - 1910.599 Catherine Heckendorn

He doesn't want to be around when the police show up.

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1911.88 - 1920.244 Andrea Canning

Luckily, no one was hurt. She went to her parents' house and the next day called a lawyer and filed for divorce. How was Nicholas handling all this?

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1920.864 - 1925.566 Catherine Heckendorn

Not good. You know, making threats, being irate with either me or my parents.

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1927.227 - 1936.732 Andrea Canning

Getting a divorce finalized would be a challenge. Nicholas wouldn't show up to court. And when the court officers tried to serve him the divorce papers, it appeared he was playing tricks.

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1937.606 - 1947.588 Catherine Heckendorn

One of the officers said, I'm pretty sure that was him wearing a disguise, you know, the hat, head down low. He just kind of disappeared. They couldn't find him.

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1948.668 - 1955.17 Andrea Canning

They eventually tracked him down. The judge ordered Nicholas to hand over the dogs and leave their house so Catherine could get her stuff.

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1955.83 - 1966.752 Catherine Heckendorn

I opened the door and there's a gun sitting on the sofa. A gun? Yeah. As if Nick put it there to say, I may not physically be here, but I will still make you miserable.

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1967.298 - 1979.553 Andrea Canning

Catherine says despite her claims that Nicholas abused and sexually assaulted her, she was too afraid of him to take legal action. But she soon learned powerful law enforcement agencies were investigating him for a different kind of crime.

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1979.953 - 1983.097 Catherine Heckendorn

Less than a month after I had left him, the police,

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1984.25 - 2011.144 Catherine Heckendorn

the treasury or the fbi or i think it was both came knocking on my door wanting any information i could give them on nick did they explain why they were there for fraud and they did not go in details just for fraud catherine found out later the feds were accusing nicholas of stealing from his ohio foster parents that couple who had taken him in when he was about to age out of the system

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2011.82 - 2013.361 Andrea Canning

Catherine remembers them fondly.

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2013.741 - 2024.026 Catherine Heckendorn

We attended the same church here in Dayton, Ohio. They were lovely people, great people. And they seemed, you know, so caring towards Nick.

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2025.106 - 2037.19 Andrea Canning

Nicholas's foster father told Dateline he reported the fraud to local authorities. According to one police report, 10 credit card accounts were opened fraudulently with an estimated $200,000 in charges.

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2037.931 - 2044.475 Catherine Heckendorn

I do believe he was starting to swindle them and take from them while we were still together.

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2046.775 - 2061.404 Andrea Canning

As the FBI was looking into Nicholas for fraud, his name popped up somewhere else. Turns out, after his failed marriage in Ohio, Nicholas had moved back to Rhode Island, which is where Detective Connor O'Donnell was doing a routine check on registered sex offenders.

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2061.985 - 2065.567 Detective Connor O'Donnell

Nick's name came across my desk, just a regular compliance check.

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2066.608 - 2074.293 Andrea Canning

Nicholas was in the national system for that attack on Mary in the college basement. Something in Nicholas's file caught the detective's attention.

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2075.037 - 2079.898 Detective Connor O'Donnell

Nick had a warrant for his arrest of technical violation on a domestic violence charge.

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2080.359 - 2082.679 Andrea Canning

That was the incident involving his first wife.

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2083.019 - 2090.401 Detective Connor O'Donnell

We went to his last known residence to ensure that he lived at that address, and we were going to arrest him on his outstanding warrant.

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2090.622 - 2107.353 Andrea Canning

Was he there? No. He had moved, but the detective didn't know where. And that was a problem. Because he was a registered sex offender, he was required to notify the state that he had a new address. He hadn't done that. So a Rhode Island judge issued a new warrant for his arrest.

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2107.894 - 2110.836 Detective Connor O'Donnell

We put his picture and his warrant up on Rhode Island's Most Wanted.

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2111.037 - 2112.798 Andrea Canning

Did you get any leads once you put it up there?

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2113.258 - 2116.741 Detective Connor O'Donnell

It didn't take too long. We got a phone call from Nick.

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2117.082 - 2117.822 Andrea Canning

From Nick?

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2118.263 - 2118.443 Detective Connor O'Donnell

Yeah.

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2131.897 - 2139.982 Andrea Canning

Detective Connor O'Donnell says when Nicholas Rossi found out he was on Rhode Island's most wanted list for not alerting police that he'd moved, he was furious.

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2140.503 - 2153.031 Detective Connor O'Donnell

Claimed he had moved out of the country and then proceeded to lecture me about how I didn't know the general laws in the state of Rhode Island and that by moving out of this country, he didn't have to notify of a change of address.

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2153.251 - 2156.553 Lynn Keller

What did you think of his tone that it seems like he knew better than you?

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2157.113 - 2159.495 Detective Connor O'Donnell

He was arrogant, egotistical.

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2160.526 - 2171.014 Andrea Canning

The detective was now determined to find him. He contacted the U.S. Marshals, who began a search. They checked his passport and confirmed Nicholas had left the country on a one-way ticket.

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2171.955 - 2177.479 Detective Connor O'Donnell

He had, in fact, left on an outbound flight out of an airport in New York to Ireland.

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2178.752 - 2200.841 Andrea Canning

By 2018, Nicholas was 31 years old. He had two ex-wives with restraining orders against him, was a convicted sex offender wanted by Rhode Island State Police, and the feds were apparently looking for him too. Even though he'd left the country, his past had followed him. While overseas, he hired attorney Jeff Pine to handle the failure to register as a sex offender charge.

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2201.341 - 2204.763 Jeff Pine

Which is a serious case, obviously. It's a felony.

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2206.036 - 2215.398 Andrea Canning

Nicholas had been right. He didn't have to register since he'd left the country. So Pine was able to get the case dismissed. But still, he was careful when dealing with his client.

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2216.438 - 2224.34 Jeff Pine

With Nicholas, you always have a shade of doubt about what he's telling you. So I had to be careful that I wasn't being manipulated.

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2225.62 - 2234.022 Andrea Canning

Nicholas asked him to do one more thing, to see if there were any federal warrants with his name on them. The attorney checked, found one, and called the FBI.

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2235.285 - 2245.731 Jeff Pine

And I asked, what's the nature of the charge? And they told me it was a significant credit card fraud, misappropriation of funds, obtaining money under false pretenses, that kind of thing.

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2246.411 - 2248.832 Andrea Canning

It was the case involving Nicholas's foster parents.

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2249.453 - 2252.794 Jeff Pine

The agent did confirm that there was a warrant for him.

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2252.974 - 2253.735 Andrea Canning

A federal warrant.

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2253.775 - 2253.995 Jeff Pine

Yeah.

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2254.555 - 2257.137 Andrea Canning

But Nicholas was not about to turn himself in.

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2257.762 - 2263.985 Lynn Keller

This has become a game of cat and mouse between the alleged con man and federal law enforcement.

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2264.025 - 2270.928 Jeff Pine

Yeah, they're going to have to expend a lot of resources and man hours to bring him to justice.

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2271.468 - 2276.57 Andrea Canning

And Nicholas had no idea yet another law enforcement agency was joining the chase.

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2277.11 - 2279.171 David Levitt

He is someone that needs to be put on trial for rape.

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2280.412 - 2286.114 Andrea Canning

In Utah, a county attorney named David Levitt was looking into old rape cases that had never been investigated.

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2286.946 - 2291.928 David Levitt

We had sexual assault kits that had been sitting on police shelves for years.

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2292.829 - 2303.434 Andrea Canning

It infuriated him that women had filed complaints, subjected themselves to rape exams, but police never followed up. When he took office in 2018, Levitt vowed to change that.

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2303.962 - 2313.149 David Levitt

So we engaged in a partnership between the United States Department of Justice and the state of Utah to test all of these old rape kits.

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2313.249 - 2314.19 Lynn Keller

Did you start getting hits?

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2314.83 - 2323.397 David Levitt

We got a hit, and that hit was a hit for a registered sex offender in the state of Ohio.

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2323.996 - 2335.601 Andrea Canning

That sex offender was none other than Nicholas Rossi. His DNA was in the system from that assault on fellow college student Mary Grabinski. A detective from Utah reached out to Mary.

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2336.262 - 2343.445 Mary Grabinski

And he just said, you know, we could potentially use your input on a case. I said, by all means, you know, anything I can do to help.

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2344.285 - 2351.609 Andrea Canning

Mary was frustrated to learn the rape case in Utah happened just months after Nicholas attacked her. But that case was never investigated.

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2352.185 - 2365.558 David Levitt

In 2008, the victim in this case said that she had been raped and she voluntarily went through the rape exam and the police were called. The case died at the police station and was never sent to the county attorney's office.

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2366.899 - 2376.088 Andrea Canning

So 11 years later in 2019, an investigator reached out to the woman. Her story was eerily familiar. She said she met Nicholas Rossi on MySpace.

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2376.847 - 2391.659 David Levitt

And that two weeks later, they met in person and they began a sexual relationship that lasted for a brief period of time. At the same time, Nicholas Rossi was taking money from her with the promise that he would pay it back and never did.

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2392.299 - 2397.423 Andrea Canning

So she said she went over to his apartment. She wanted her money back and she wanted to end the relationship.

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2398.123 - 2406.59 David Levitt

He shut the door and began to just kind of put pressure on her to have sex. He took her clothes off and raped her.

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2407.526 - 2417.612 Andrea Canning

David Levitt had heard enough. He charged Nicholas with rape. Now his investigators had to find him. But arresting Nicholas Rossi wouldn't be so easy.

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2418.313 - 2419.513 David Levitt

No, it wouldn't be easy at all.

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2420.114 - 2428.039 Andrea Canning

While trying to track him down, one of his investigators found Nicholas' obituary, announcing he'd died of cancer. Is that the end of the case?

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2428.699 - 2429.82 David Levitt

Well, we didn't believe he was dead.

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2432.179 - 2444.553 Andrea Canning

But how would investigators prove that? That's when we began following Rossi's trail, which would lead us to a hotel in Scotland and that bizarre interview with the man who insisted he wasn't Nicholas.

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2445.073 - 2447.176 Lynn Keller

What do you say to people who say this is all an act?

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2448.677 - 2453.303 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

Oh, that's a low blow. That's a right low blow.

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2467.048 - 2475.83 Andrea Canning

Detectives from Utah and Rhode Island, along with the FBI, were closing in on Nicholas Rossi. And then came the stunning news. He was dead at the age of 32.

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2475.93 - 2481.571 Legislator

House resolution. Expressing condolences on the passing of Nicholas Oliverdian.

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2482.031 - 2491.133 David Levitt

If you look at the timeline, Nicholas Rossi or Nicholas Oliverdian's death occurred while we were in the midst of this investigation.

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2492.011 - 2506.922 Andrea Canning

To prosecutor David Leavitt, that was no coincidence. So his team started digging. They subpoenaed Nicholas's financial records and noticed transactions after the day Nick had supposedly died. And they discovered activity on his social media accounts.

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2507.623 - 2510.625 David Levitt

Our investigators knew that he was not dead.

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2511.206 - 2522.616 Andrea Canning

When Detective Connor O'Donnell heard of Nicholas's untimely death, his BS radar also went off. He'd been searching for Nicholas for two years. O'Donnell immediately started making calls.

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2523.337 - 2532.826 Detective Connor O'Donnell

We made numerous attempts through Interpol, numerous countries for any proof of death. All were negative. Nothing came back.

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2533.982 - 2544.826 Andrea Canning

Then a Utah investigator reached out and told him Nicholas was still alive. That was when the detective contacted Father Healy and told him to stop planning the memorial mass. Nicholas wasn't dead.

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2545.087 - 2549.088 Father Bernard Healy

That he's a fugitive, wanted on financial and violent crimes.

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2550.269 - 2555.411 Andrea Canning

Detective O'Donnell asked Father Healy to cancel the service, but keep the reason a secret.

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2556.255 - 2559.716 Father Bernard Healy

I said, okay, I'll come up with some convenient excuse, which I did.

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2559.896 - 2563.097 Andrea Canning

You had to be a little untruthful to her.

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2563.257 - 2565.578 Father Bernard Healy

Correct. I had to go to confession after all that, yes.

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2567.798 - 2573.62 Andrea Canning

He said when Louise, the woman claiming to be Nicholas's widow, heard the mass was off, she did not take it well.

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2573.94 - 2581.822 Father Bernard Healy

I got a lot of emails that were kind of full of rage, upset, and anger at me. It was clear it was somebody who was very angry.

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2582.022 - 2583.343 Andrea Canning

You were bamboozled, father.

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2584.065 - 2591.992 Father Bernard Healy

In a sense, yes. It's the first time in my life, in my priesthood, that somebody has tried to have a funeral for somebody who's not dead.

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2593.294 - 2604.904 Andrea Canning

The detective says he contacted other churches and learned Louise had been fishing for funerals all over town, asking priests to hold a memorial mass for Nicholas. You had managed to shut them all down.

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2605.345 - 2606.646 Detective Connor O'Donnell

Yes. It wasn't easy, but yes.

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2607.867 - 2614.554 Andrea Canning

Remarkably, O'Donnell says Louise was also reaching out to the Rhode Island State Police, trying to get Nick off their most wanted list.

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2615.295 - 2623.223 Lynn Keller

You would think that the communication with Nicholas or, you know, his world would stop once he died, but that wasn't the case.

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2623.899 - 2637.007 Detective Connor O'Donnell

It was not. We received numerous emails from the same email address that Nick had corresponded with me prior to his death from that same email address, but this time the signature was his widow.

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2637.327 - 2646.21 Lynn Keller

Did you feel like these emails might actually be coming from Nick? 100%. based on the language, the tone, what you'd experienced before?

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2646.23 - 2656.807 Detective Connor O'Donnell

The way that he wrote, the way that he spoke, the use of big words was 100% Nick. The only thing that was different was instead of Nicholas Alliverdian, it was Luis.

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2658.317 - 2666.404 Andrea Canning

Meanwhile, the FBI was apparently reaching out to anyone who might know Nicholas's whereabouts. Brian Coogan was in his truck when his phone rang.

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2666.684 - 2691.845 Brian Coogan

It says FBI, Utah. I was rattled. I pulled over in the parking lot and he said, this is special agent so-and-so from Utah FBI. He said, do you know Nicholas Aliverdian, Nicholas Rossi? I said, yeah, I actually know him very well. He goes, well, we're looking for him. Do you know where he is? I said, well, didn't you know he died? And he said, he's not dead.

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2692.225 - 2701.612 Brian Coogan

And I sent him all the emails that I had, all the phone numbers, the pictures before I hung up. I said, you know, agent, you're the FBI. How come you can't catch him?

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2702.533 - 2706.175 Andrea Canning

The agent said they'd been trying to locate Nicholas through the internet with no luck.

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2706.876 - 2712.88 Brian Coogan

He says we would track him through an email to his IP address and

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2713.715 - 2720.74 Andrea Canning

But he says the agent told him Nicholas the computer whiz sent them in circles, never in the location that matched the IP address.

0
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2721.321 - 2724.964 Brian Coogan

He says, let me tell you, this kid is so good. One of the best I've ever seen.

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2726.024 - 2753.202 Andrea Canning

But in December 2021, about two years after Nicholas supposedly died, they finally caught a break. Law enforcement sources say the computer genius had made a mistake. He'd given up his overseas address while online. The trail led authorities to the intensive care unit at this Glasgow hospital. If they had the right man, of all things, it was a severe case of COVID that now had him trapped.

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2754.022 - 2757.963 David Levitt

And that resulted in the Scottish authorities arresting him.

0
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2758.363 - 2759.684 Andrea Canning

That is a crazy twist.

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2760.024 - 2761.704 David Levitt

It is. It's fortunate.

0
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2764.065 - 2771.047 Andrea Canning

Interpol shared mugshots, photos of his tattoos and fingerprints with local police so they could make an on-the-spot ID.

0
💬 0

2772.657 - 2784.221 David Levitt

When the Scottish authorities looked at him in a hospital room in Scotland, they were satisfied that Nicholas Rossi was, in fact, the same person that is wanted in the state of Utah.

0
💬 0

2785.401 - 2796.125 Andrea Canning

But not so fast. The man in the hospital insisted he was not Nicholas. He said his name was Arthur Knight, a law-abiding British businessman.

0
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2796.145 - 2800.346 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

I am not a fugitive, nor am I a conman.

0
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2801.459 - 2802.079 Andrea Canning

Could it be?

0
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2802.479 - 2812.943 Jane McSorley

Was he actually telling the truth? I thought this man in front of me was Arthur Knight. And the authorities had made a mistake. And I was like, good God.

0
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2826.229 - 2836.932 Andrea Canning

The man calling himself Arthur Knight was determined to prove he was not American fugitive Nicholas Rossi. He insisted he was an Irish orphan and claimed to have an Irish driver's license.

0
💬 0

2837.212 - 2839.853 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

To be accused of rape, it could happen to anyone.

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2840.793 - 2852.277 Andrea Canning

While out on bail, Arthur, with his wife Miranda by his side, organized a press tour from his flat in Glasgow. He used a wheelchair and wore an oxygen mask, he said, because of the effects of COVID.

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2853.055 - 2855.596 Judge

Are you that man? Are you Nicholas Rossi?

0
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2855.876 - 2864.297 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

I can veritably say that I have not ever once done any of the acts that you just described.

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2864.978 - 2880.944 Andrea Canning

We came to Scotland to get to the bottom of this mystery. Was Arthur Knight the victim of a colossal case of mistaken identity? Or was he trying to pull off his biggest con yet? We caught up with investigative reporter Jane McSorley.

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2881.604 - 2887.349 Jane McSorley

I've been a journalist over 30 years, and I have never met a man like him.

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2888.31 - 2895.917 Andrea Canning

For her Audible podcast called I Am Not Nicholas, she got up close and personal with Arthur when he and his wife Miranda invited her over for dinner.

0
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2896.892 - 2898.953 Lynn Keller

What is it like walking into their flat?

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2899.393 - 2910.138 Jane McSorley

It's a fairly small flat. I was welcomed very, very warmly by Miranda. Arthur's there in a wheelchair, you know, with the mask and the oxygen tank and everything, but he's dressed up to the nines.

0
💬 0

2910.378 - 2915.36 Lynn Keller

Are you, the whole time, looking at him, her, scanning the room for clues.

0
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2915.54 - 2931.923 Jane McSorley

I was just engrossed by him, really, because, I mean, everybody's talking about this man. Here I am, as close as I am now to you. You know, he was such a nice guy, I thought, how can he potentially be this Nicholas Rossi that alleged to be, you know, a rapist?

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2932.703 - 2943.43 Andrea Canning

Jane knew there was one sure way to find out. After dining on Miranda's champagne chicken dinner, She asked Arthur to roll up his sleeves to see if he had the same tattoos as Nicholas Rossi.

0
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2944.051 - 2950.816 Jane McSorley

And it was after I'd been there at least a couple of hours. And straight away he agreed. So I said, would you pull back your sleeves?

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2952.938 - 2963.147 Andrea Canning

Not only that, he pulled up mug shots that had Nicholas Rossi's tattooed arms on his big screen TV. Is your heart kind of just pounding, you know, as you're waiting for this moment?

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2963.874 - 2964.134 Jane McSorley

Yeah.

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2964.174 - 2975.242 Andrea Canning

Moment. It felt like it was, it just felt like it was slow-mo. He rolled up his left sleeve as far as his elbow. She couldn't believe what she was seeing or not seeing.

0
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2975.262 - 2999.519 Jane McSorley

I had my glasses on as well. I mean, I was completely in awe of this left forearm that up on the screen was like completely tattooed and now in front of me had no tattoos and no scarring whatsoever of tattoo removal. She even checked to make sure he hadn't covered them with makeup. It was quite a moment. So I thought this man in front of me was Arthur Knight.

0
💬 0

3000.079 - 3006.725 Jane McSorley

And the authorities had made a mistake. And I was like, good God. You know, because he's so adamant.

0
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3006.785 - 3012.89 Andrea Canning

That was just the beginning of Jane's reporting. There was so much more to uncover. This was a roller coaster for you.

0
💬 0

3013.61 - 3016.853 Jane McSorley

It was. The story is stranger than fiction, but that's what's great about it.

0
💬 0

3018.129 - 3027.054 Andrea Canning

It was a roller coaster for us, too. Our reporting led us to a TV personality named Nafsika Antipas. She'd done business with Arthur Knight.

0
💬 0

3027.734 - 3031.716 Nafsika Antipas

I was in shock, and actually, I was kind of embarrassed that I went through that.

0
💬 0

3032.376 - 3044.963 Andrea Canning

Although he used the name Nicholas Brown, he said his full name was... Timothy Arthur Nicholas Knight Brown. In 2020, Nafsika was looking for help marketing her vegan cheese company called Nafsika's Garden.

0
💬 0

3045.783 - 3047.084 Nafsika Antipas

Oh, wow. It's so good.

0
💬 0

3047.842 - 3063.209 Andrea Canning

and promoting the fourth season of her A&E television show, Plant-Based, by Nafsika. She scanned through resumes on Upwork, an online marketplace for freelancers, and found Nicholas Brown. She says he was highly rated on the site. Tell us about his resume.

0
💬 0

3063.469 - 3080.017 Nafsika Antipas

What was on it? Harvard graduate, experience with PR and marketing. Everything I was looking for, he had it on there. And he was an international lawyer, apparently. I kind of thought he was the whole package. And I spoke to him and I hired him the same day.

0
💬 0

3080.978 - 3089.224 Andrea Canning

Now, Sika agreed to pay him a fee of around $7,000 a month. She was based in Montreal. He claimed to be in Ireland, so they never met in person.

0
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3089.604 - 3102.012 Nafsika Antipas

Every time I would tell him, Nicholas, where is the work? Show me what you've done so far. He would either come up with an excuse or he would like send me a picture of something like his dog.

0
💬 0

3103.075 - 3111.324 Andrea Canning

It quickly became obvious the man she hired from Upwork was more like no work. She says he always had an excuse for why nothing was getting done.

0
💬 0

3112.005 - 3119.834 Nafsika Antipas

So one time he was in the hospital, and then another month his wife was in the hospital. I think she had appendicitis. Then his dog was in the hospital.

0
💬 0

3120.851 - 3124.434 Andrea Canning

At one point, he pitched an idea about creating a new company with Nefseka.

0
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3125.215 - 3135.984 Nafsika Antipas

He and his wife Miranda would be on the board. So I asked him, I said, are you trying to take over all my companies, what's happening here? He goes, no, no, no, no, I just want to oversee what's happening.

0
💬 0

3137.305 - 3144.433 Andrea Canning

So she agreed, but she never gave him access to her bank accounts or credit cards. She did, however, give him a copy of her passport.

0
💬 0

3144.913 - 3154.078 Nafsika Antipas

He said he needed it for the paperwork. At first, I was going along with it because I said, OK, I'm going to see what he does, see if he'll actually start working.

0
💬 0

3154.618 - 3162.722 Andrea Canning

But again, nothing. So after paying him nearly $30,000 over four months with no work completed, Nafsika cut him off.

0
💬 0

3163.642 - 3181.757 Nafsika Antipas

I terminated his access to my website, to his emails and his wife's emails. You didn't give him any warning? That's it. No warning. He didn't take this well? He got very aggressive, started sending a lot of messages, phoning. I wasn't answering my phone.

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3182.898 - 3203.651 Andrea Canning

When she didn't respond, she says he sent threatening texts about a contract that she says never existed. If she didn't pay him about $40,000 or a reasonable counteroffer, he would ruin her reputation. He had created a fraud alert website using her passport photo like a mugshot and was planning to tell the world her company was a sham.

0
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3204.231 - 3218.958 Nafsika Antipas

I was very, very nervous because I didn't know how this would affect my brand that I had just recently launched at the time and my family and, you know, how crazy is he? He's going to go after my kids.

0
💬 0

3220.119 - 3227.601 Andrea Canning

The threatening texts kept coming and coming Nafsika didn't give in to his scare tactics and told him he was officially fired.

0
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3228.121 - 3253.162 Nafsika Antipas

As soon as I told him he's terminated, that's when everything went live. All of his smear tactics went live. Yes, he had fake social media accounts where he was tweeting about me, that my vegan cheese is fake, that it's not really vegan. I started calling the police in every country. I filed all those fraud reports. I hired a private investigator in Dublin to track him down.

0
💬 0

3254.022 - 3256.303 Nafsika Antipas

But the private investigator found nothing.

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3256.764 - 3278.454 Andrea Canning

Two years later, Nefseka found out why. She learned the man she'd been dealing with wasn't in Ireland, and he wasn't Nicholas Brown, the name she knew him by. He was living in Scotland, claiming to be Arthur Knight. He's finally been arrested. Then she got another call. It said Utah FBI on her caller ID. The agent asked for her help finding Nicholas.

0
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3279.114 - 3296.998 Nafsika Antipas

They tell me, tell me what you got, and I'll tell you what I have. And we swapped, you know, information. How badly do you want to bring this man down? I want him behind bars big time because not only what he's done to me, but what he's done to so many people. But justice was a long way off.

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3297.518 - 3311.444 Andrea Canning

After his arrest in the hospital, he appeared before a judge and continued to insist he was Arthur Knight, not Nicholas Rossi, the American fugitive. So now the judge had to rule first on his identity before deciding if he should be extradited.

0
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3311.824 - 3313.084 Judge

Are you losing confidence, sir?

0
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3313.364 - 3319.746 Andrea Canning

Months went by with hearing after hearing, but no ruling from the judge. How can you possibly claim not to be Nicholas Rossi now?

0
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3319.946 - 3322.447 Judge

Are you Arthur Knight or Nicholas Rossi?

0
💬 0

3323.087 - 3325.568 Andrea Canning

That's when Dateline got the chance to sit down with him.

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3326.348 - 3327.828 Lynn Keller

Did you sexually assault anyone?

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💬 0

3327.869 - 3333.27 Andrea Canning

Did you kidnap anyone? Did you defraud anyone? In one of our most memorable interviews.

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3334.15 - 3339.492 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

I can't walk. People say that's an act. Let me try to stand up. Let me try to stand up.

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3354.062 - 3369.131 Andrea Canning

More than four months had passed since Arthur Knight's arrest in a Scottish hospital. He was still out on bail, waiting for a judge to decide if he was telling the truth about his identity. It was April 2022. Arthur, along with his wife Miranda, agreed to speak to us remotely.

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3369.832 - 3371.953 Lynn Keller

I know you have a lot to say, which is great.

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3373.624 - 3376.707 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

I want to be as honest and truthful as possible.

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3377.187 - 3380.269 Miranda Knight

It's very important that our story is heard.

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3381.11 - 3394.621 Andrea Canning

Arthur told us he began life as an orphan in Ireland. He said he was adopted. I grew up all over. Dublin, Belfast. He said he later moved to London and through grit and determination worked his way up the corporate ladder in communications.

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3395.221 - 3400.766 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

I had a very good run as a public relations consultant.

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3401.431 - 3404.152 Andrea Canning

He and Miranda said they met at a London art museum in 2011.

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3404.252 - 3413.056 Miranda Knight

We just struck up a conversation, you know, exchanged kind of contact detail, but I was not, you know.

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3414.737 - 3418.759 Andrea Canning

They said they were friends at first. She was in a relationship and busy with her career.

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3419.239 - 3424.642 Miranda Knight

So previously I was, you know, an executive and I've worked in account management.

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3425.142 - 3428.984 Andrea Canning

But several years later, they said they met up again. Romance blossomed.

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💬 0

3429.42 - 3434.742 Miranda Knight

We fell in love. We love each other very much, deeply in love.

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3435.442 - 3442.004 Andrea Canning

And in February of 2020, the same month that Nicholas Alliverdian supposedly died, Arthur and Miranda got married.

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3442.565 - 3448.807 Miranda Knight

Nicholas Rosie or Alliverdian or whatever had died. We were on our honeymoon.

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3449.587 - 3459.753 Andrea Canning

Less than two years later, their world fell apart. It was December of 2021 when Arthur was hospitalized with COVID. Miranda said a nurse told her he probably wouldn't make it.

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3460.593 - 3466.698 Miranda Knight

And I was literally in tears. I was in shock and the world just caving in for me.

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3467.499 - 3479.451 Andrea Canning

She said Arthur was in a medically induced coma and put on a ventilator. After three months, though, he woke up. So Arthur makes it through this, but your whole world has been turned upside down.

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3479.932 - 3489.238 Miranda Knight

I was with him in his room and two police constables came into the room and I looked up and I thought they had walked into the wrong room.

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3489.438 - 3490.118 Andrea Canning

What did they tell you?

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3490.359 - 3503.387 Miranda Knight

They said that it would be sensible for me to actually leave the room because of what was going to be said. And Arthur said, no, you know, my wife knows everything. There's no secrets between us.

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3504.608 - 3508.752 Lynn Keller

Can you also tell us what happened in that room and why they told you they were there?

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3509.232 - 3518.06 Miranda Knight

I just remember words of 2008, Utah, rape, America, and it all didn't make sense.

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💬 0

3518.881 - 3526.708 Andrea Canning

She heard police calling Arthur Nicholas Rossi. They said that international law enforcement agencies were trying to bring him back to the United States.

0
💬 0

3527.458 - 3532.201 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

I made it clear I'm not Nicholas Verzi, but people choose to believe what they want.

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3532.421 - 3534.382 Lynn Keller

Were you read your rights? Were you handcuffed?

0
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3535.042 - 3540.585 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

I was told I was under arrest for rape in Utah, and that's all I was told.

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3541.266 - 3547.889 Andrea Canning

To try to clear up the question of his identity, is he Arthur or is he Nicholas? I asked if I could get a better look at him.

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3548.65 - 3551.571 Lynn Keller

Would you take your mask off for one second just to show us your face?

0
💬 0

3552.271 - 3554.713 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

I can. When I catch my breath, yes.

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3555.553 - 3556.674 Lynn Keller

But can you just show us now?

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3564.467 - 3578.572 Andrea Canning

He never took it off. And he didn't have answers to a lot of our questions either. Did you say you were adopted? I was, yes. At what age? I am not certain. He was also evasive when we asked him if we could see his birth certificate.

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3578.792 - 3584.794 Lynn Keller

I'm just looking for ways, you know, that you can back up some of your, what you're saying, just to put people's minds at ease.

0
💬 0

3585.294 - 3588.816 Andrea Canning

Well, which minds? We moved on to more pressing matters.

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3589.316 - 3595.738 Lynn Keller

The FBI is investigating you. You're being looked at for kidnapping, sexual assault, fraud in multiple states.

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3596.498 - 3601.34 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

Incorrect. David Levitt has said those things. The FBI have said nothing.

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3601.92 - 3603.521 Lynn Keller

The FBI is investigating you, though.

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3604.201 - 3604.301 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

Me?

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3604.994 - 3608.736 Lynn Keller

Yes, they're looking into you and how you might fit into all of this.

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3609.696 - 3621.261 Andrea Canning

No, they're not. The FBI rarely comments on active investigations. But remember, several people we interviewed told us the FBI contacted and questioned them, including Nefsika Antipas.

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3621.963 - 3624.105 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

Nafsika, she was my client.

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3624.405 - 3634.773 Andrea Canning

When we asked Arthur about Nafsika, he seemed rattled and denied her claims that he stole from her and failed to do any work. Nafsika says that you scammed her out of tens of thousands of dollars.

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3636.555 - 3644.401 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

Nafsika paid me for work that was performed. I did not scam her out of money.

0
💬 0

3644.681 - 3646.663 Lynn Keller

Nafsika says that you are a con man.

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3648.078 - 3670.834 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

Despite his denials, our questions seem to hit a nerve. What do you say to someone who believes that you are Nicholas Aliverdean?

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3675.759 - 3680.583 Lynn Keller

What do you say to people who say these are crocodile tears? He's putting on a show. This is all an act.

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3682.114 - 3691.242 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

Oh, Eka. Andrea, that's a low blow. That's a right low blow. Crocodile tears? Do you think I can? I don't believe that.

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3691.742 - 3696.306 Lynn Keller

Did you sexually assault anyone? Did you kidnap anyone? Did you defraud anyone? What?

0
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3700.449 - 3709.157 Andrea Canning

No, no, no, no. His wife Miranda said he was 100% telling the truth. And if he was a serial rapist, she would know.

0
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3709.801 - 3715.707 Lynn Keller

What would you say to anyone who says you're naive or how do you know this? Are you not concerned? What do you say to those people?

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3716.107 - 3747.58 Miranda Knight

So what I would say that what I've read about Nicholas Rossi, allegedly he done all of these crimes, assaulted women, etc. But you can't change a tendency of a person that rapes, that consistently rapes or sexual assaults. My husband has never, ever done anything which has hurt me. He hasn't assaulted me. I do know the truth. I know he's innocent. I know he's not a rapist, 100%.

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3749.215 - 3754.236 Lynn Keller

Where does this go from here for Arthur, for the both of you? What's next?

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3754.696 - 3769.66 Miranda Knight

I believe that, you know, we will fight this together and there will be a time where we will crack open a bottle of champagne and we will go back to our normal lives as a normal couple with our beautiful dogs and restart our lives.

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3770.117 - 3773.859 Lynn Keller

What's the most important thing today that you want people to know, both of you?

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3774.179 - 3804.456 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

We were once a normal family, but thanks to the media, our lives have been interrupted. And we'd like privacy, and I would like to go back to being a normal husband. But I can't because I can't breathe. I can't walk. People say that's an act. Let me try to stand up. Let me try to stand up. Exactly. Exactly. So let's... You're laughing now. This is what people do to me. They call me a liar.

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3804.696 - 3807.517 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

They say this oxygen is a prop.

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3808.337 - 3811.9 Andrea Canning

He told us this whole misunderstanding was the handiwork of David Levitt.

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3812.341 - 3817.445 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

David Levitt is a con man. David Levitt is a monster.

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3817.946 - 3825.092 Andrea Canning

And he was about to go after Levitt with a vengeance. You've never been attacked like this, to this level.

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💬 0

3825.313 - 3827.935 David Levitt

No, I'll give him that. He took it to a new level. It's over.

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3840.684 - 3854.365 Andrea Canning

In the spring of 2022, Arthur continued to seek media attention. He called another press conference, this time to introduce his new defense attorney, Craig Johnson, who'd flown all the way from Utah to Scotland. Do you believe...

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3855.293 - 3860.838 Lynn Keller

Arthur Knight is Arthur Knight and that he is innocent of all the allegations that are being leveled against him.

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💬 0

3861.479 - 3870.807 Craig Johnson

I do, and I don't take that statement lightly. Again, I wouldn't have flown out here 24 hours ago for this purpose to stand up for him if I didn't.

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3871.828 - 3890.325 Andrea Canning

Johnson said Arthur reached out to him, probably not by coincidence, since Johnson once worked for Utah County Attorney David Leavitt. Johnson told us he left the prosecutor's office after a dispute with Levitt, but said that had nothing to do with him taking on Arthur Knight as a client. Still, he was quick to criticize his former boss.

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3891.046 - 3897.971 Craig Johnson

There's been such a rush to judgment by Mr. Levitt in his office coordinating with other authorities. That is our concern.

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3898.531 - 3905.056 Andrea Canning

Johnson said David Levitt crossed the line speaking so openly about the allegations of rape and fake identity against his client.

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3905.561 - 3916.926 Craig Johnson

It's very concerning to me when the head law enforcement official in Utah County, my former boss, David Levitt, has been making a lot of interviews and statements about my client, which frankly poisoned the jury pool.

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3917.766 - 3928.731 Andrea Canning

Levitt disagrees, saying he's been careful not to discuss specifics of the case. We pressed Johnson on why he was so sure Arthur Knight was telling the truth about his identity. Has he shown you his face?

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3928.791 - 3930.632 Craig Johnson

Yes, I've seen his face without his mask.

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3931.312 - 3938.929 Andrea Canning

He said he'd also seen what Nicholas Rossi looked like. And you believe when you see his face that that is not the same man?

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3939.329 - 3940.489 Craig Johnson

I don't believe it's the same man.

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3940.969 - 3950.372 Andrea Canning

We decided to check with someone who knows Nicholas well. We asked Mary Grabinski if she thought Arthur was Nicholas. Have you watched the videos, the interviews with him?

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3955.013 - 3955.113 Mary Grabinski

Yeah.

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3955.453 - 3966.016 Lynn Keller

Do you believe that there's any possibility that that man is Arthur, really Arthur Knight? No. And what is it when you look at it that you think, nope, That's Nicholas.

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3966.957 - 3976.383 Mary Grabinski

The hair, the teeth, and especially, like, the fingers, the hands. I remember those hands. According to the British press, he wasn't fooling anyone.

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3976.683 - 3982.527 Judge

Nicholas, you've completely failed to pull the wool over their eyes.

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3983.427 - 3993.554 Andrea Canning

But he continued to make his case, and he even tried a new tactic, sabotaging the reputation of the man who was responsible for his arrest, Utah prosecutor David Levitt.

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3994.349 - 3996.711 Lynn Keller

We saw the press release. There's some breaking news.

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3997.292 - 4001.736 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

Miranda, do you have any comments on that?

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4015.552 - 4022.037 Miranda Knight

Yes, I think it will be interesting to see how things play out with that. Levitt says none of that is true.

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4022.657 - 4025.739 Andrea Canning

You've never been attacked like this, to this level.

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💬 0

4025.98 - 4029.582 David Levitt

No, Nicholas Rossi, I'll give him that. He took it to a new level.

0
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4030.102 - 4041.591 Andrea Canning

Levitt was not only working to extradite Rossi, he was also running for re-election. And just days before the polls opened, he says his campaign was sabotaged by the man calling himself Arthur Knight.

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4042.523 - 4047.184 David Levitt

He accused my wife and I of being human traffickers, of being cannibals, of being murderers.

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4048.244 - 4058.246 Andrea Canning

Arthur posted this on his website. Breaking news, David Levitt is confirmed to be head of a criminal Utah cult. This goes deep. This is like a thriller.

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4058.686 - 4060.366 David Levitt

We didn't think it was too thrilling for us.

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4060.986 - 4063.867 Andrea Canning

Levitt had had enough and called his own press conference.

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4064.567 - 4081.988 David Levitt

That this all occurs less than one week before ballots drop. in an election in which I am participating, causes me tremendous concern.

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4083.669 - 4107.237 Andrea Canning

Arthur cited the Utah County Sheriff's Office as the source of his allegations. The sheriff was a vocal critic of Levitz and backed his opponent in the prosecutor's race. The sheriff denied that he had been Arthur's source. Regardless, the story was out there. How do you defend yourself against allegations like that when someone is, you know, putting them out there like they're fact.

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4107.257 - 4109.738 David Levitt

Well, there's no way to defend yourself in this culture.

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4110.538 - 4114.08 Andrea Canning

Levitt lost his election and believes Nicholas Rossi was partly to blame.

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4114.801 - 4120.864 David Levitt

He did cost me my job, but the reality is how many women will never be raped because of what we did?

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4122.205 - 4130.229 Andrea Canning

Although Levitt was out of office, the case against Arthur Knight slash Nicholas Rossi kept going, and he would continue to grab headlines.

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4131.209 - 4134.991 Jane McSorley

He said the tattoos were put on him when he was in a coma.

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4135.152 - 4136.252 Andrea Canning

This was a jaw dropper.

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4136.633 - 4137.193 Jane McSorley

Totally.

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4138.194 - 4169.376 Andrea Canning

And a Scottish judge would finally make a ruling on his identity. Arthur Knight was back in the headlines. Instead of going to a court hearing, he checked himself into the hospital again for COVID complications. Not long after, police were called to his room. He assaulted a doctor and a nurse.

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4169.536 - 4180.222 Tom Mooney

Yeah, and they said at that point he actually got up off the gurney that he was on and came at them, which raised some questions about his physical capacity.

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4181.405 - 4207.81 Andrea Canning

Arthur had flown into a rage when he was told he would be discharged. Several articles quoted the female doctor who said, And that was a good reason at that point to restrict his bail. He was sent to jail, and after a quick trial, he was convicted of assault. But Arthur's biggest day in court was right around the corner.

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4208.511 - 4221.701 Andrea Canning

Almost a year after he was first arrested, a judge was hearing arguments about Arthur's identity. Was he a British businessman or an American fugitive? Reporter Jane McSorley was in the courtroom.

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4222.321 - 4226.705 Jane McSorley

The advocate deputy was asking him the questions, and he asked him about the tattoos.

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4227.932 - 4241.262 Andrea Canning

The Scottish prosecutor presented evidence showing that while Arthur's forearms were free of tattoos, his upper arms did have them and they were identical to Nicholas Rossi's. When Arthur took the stand, he had an explanation.

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4242.182 - 4251.535 Jane McSorley

Well, he said in court that's. The tattoos were put on him when he was in a coma in the hospital in Glasgow.

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4252.316 - 4257.84 Andrea Canning

Jaws dropped in the courtroom as he told the judge they were inked on his arms while he was unconscious.

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4258.381 - 4268.809 Jane McSorley

The advocate deputy was just like about three meters away and he turned around and his face was like, it was like an emoji with a big open mouth. It was like he couldn't believe what he'd heard and neither could all of us.

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4270.174 - 4285.186 Andrea Canning

In the old police photos, Nicholas Rossi had tattoos on his entire left arm. Remember, Jane didn't see the upper part of his arm when she interviewed him, only his forearm, and it was free of tattoos. Shortly after that visit, she learned why.

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4285.967 - 4295.255 Jane McSorley

One of his ex-wives had said that when they were together in 2015, that he was going through the process of getting his tattoos removed.

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4295.933 - 4311.584 Andrea Canning

And what about a more traditional way of making an ID? Fingerprints? They were also a match, but Arthur tried to explain that away too. He said they were taken by a hospital worker without his knowledge and sent to Utah so prosecutor Levitt could claim they were Rossi's.

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4312.264 - 4314.786 Jane McSorley

I mean, it was just, it was just some moment, you know.

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4315.807 - 4318.849 Andrea Canning

The judge wasn't buying any of it and announced his decision.

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4319.668 - 4329.615 Judge

I am ultimately satisfied on the balance of probabilities by the evidence of fingerprint, photographic and tattoo evidence that Mr. Knight is indeed Nicholas Rossi.

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4330.575 - 4337.84 Andrea Canning

How did that feel when you heard that the judge had ruled that you are not Arthur Knight, you are Nicholas Rossi?

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4337.96 - 4352.745 Mary Grabinski

That was a really good moment for me. We celebrated because Nick is really good at lying. So any time that somebody sees through and them being able to call out the truth was a huge win for me because the gig was up, right?

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4353.286 - 4354.387 Judge

Is it the end of the road, sir?

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4354.747 - 4364.716 Andrea Canning

Finally, Nicholas Rossi could be extradited to the U.S. But he filed appeal after appeal, and despite the judge's ruling, he never stopped claiming they had the wrong man.

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4365.336 - 4373.023 Judge

Some suggesting Rossi has made a mockery of the justice system and created an international spectacle in the process. Thank you.

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4374.025 - 4393.113 Andrea Canning

All the while, Nicholas's wife Miranda stood by his side, even after the judge's decision. Was she lying? Jane believes so and says she has proof. While reporting for her podcast, Jane uncovered a recording of Louise, the woman who claimed to be Nicholas's widow. Louise was the one trying to arrange his funeral.

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4393.133 - 4399.876

Basically, the priest was explaining that he had done his first funeral on Monday.

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4400.58 - 4409.365 Jane McSorley

It was just an automatic, oh, my God, that's Miranda. I mean, you know, I know my British accents. No doubt in your mind? No doubt whatsoever.

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4409.425 - 4410.706 Andrea Canning

So you think Miranda's in on this?

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4411.146 - 4414.428 Jane McSorley

Oh, yeah. She's in on it, up to her neck.

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4415.948 - 4425.193 Andrea Canning

Miranda hasn't been charged with anything. She was a lot less chatty than during our interview when we caught up with her at one of Nicholas's extradition hearings in Edinburgh.

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4425.213 - 4427.715 Lynn Keller

Do you have anything to say today about the hearing?

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4429.079 - 4439.286 Andrea Canning

The legal battle to extradite Rossi continued for more than a year. It finally ended in December 2023, when he lost his last appeal. Now it's over.

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4439.667 - 4443.169 Judge

Removed from this prison and put on a plane back to the States.

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4443.99 - 4449.454 Andrea Canning

In the U.S., his legal troubles were just beginning, and his behavior would be no less dramatic.

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4450.294 - 4457.571 Mary Grabinski

It feels like a circus almost at this point, because it's just... Weird drama turn after weird drama turn.

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4457.951 - 4466.275 Andrea Canning

And things were about to get even weirder. The con man had another revelation. Big, big twist in this case.

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4466.935 - 4469.276 David Levitt

Well, huge. Yeah, I mean, it's a game changer.

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4483.339 - 4503.241 Andrea Canning

Nicholas Rossi is facing two rape charges in Utah, one here in Salt Lake County and one in Utah County. On January 5th, 2024, deputies booked Nicholas Rossi into a Utah County jail. The long saga to bring him to justice in the U.S. seemed to be entering its final phase for everyone but him.

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4504.224 - 4515.451 Lynn Keller

From the moment Nicholas Rossi stepped foot here in Utah, he continued to insist he was Arthur Knight. He even asked a judge to require that all county jail staff address him by that name.

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4515.951 - 4535.792 Andrea Canning

The judge denied that request. Then, months later, in a stunning turn of events, Nicholas had a revelation. It all went down in a Utah courtroom. All rise. In a hearing about one of the 2008 rape charges, Rossi asked the judge to be let out on bail. The prosecutor argued that was a bad idea.

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4536.233 - 4538.574 Prosecutor

We were going to ask the court to hold him without bail.

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4539.214 - 4541.875 Andrea Canning

And read a letter from the alleged rape victim in the case.

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4542.355 - 4555.26 Prosecutor

He has a history of harassing and threatening his victims in the past, so this would be a legitimate fear. I do have young children at home, and this would cause me and my husband to worry for their safety while causing our family unnecessary stress.

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4556.291 - 4563.393 Andrea Canning

The lead detective took the stand and backed up the victim's fears. He testified about Nicholas Rossi's history of terrorizing women.

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4563.913 - 4565.673 Michael Aliverdian

One in particular is Mary Grubinsky.

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4566.173 - 4572.495 Andrea Canning

And about Nicholas's attempt to evade the law by faking his death, escaping to England, and assuming a new identity.

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4573.055 - 4581.417 Investigator

And to the best of your knowledge, when Mr. Rossi was returned to the United States, did additional DNA testing confirm that he was in fact Mr. Nicholas Rossi? Yes, sir.

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4582.389 - 4586.573 Andrea Canning

Then, the moment we'd all been waiting for, the defense called Nicholas to the stand.

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4587.533 - 4595.82 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

Mr. Knight, can you please say your name for the record? Arthur Knight. Mr. Knight, can you also tell us other names that you've gone by previously?

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4596.221 - 4613.216 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

I was born with the name Nicholas Oliverdian in 1996. I had that surname changed by my stepfather when I became Rossi, and I reverted to using it in 2007.

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4613.916 - 4622.059 Andrea Canning

After more than three years of deceiving the world about his identity, he admitted it was a big lie. Not only that, he told the court he had a

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4627.014 - 4632.599 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

to reliable sources that there were two credible threats against my life.

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4633.1 - 4641.648 Andrea Canning

He said the death threats were due to his work in Rhode Island trying to reform the Department of Children, Youth and Families. But when asked the names of the people allegedly threatening him?

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4642.409 - 4644.331 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

I don't want to give a mouse cheese.

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4645.29 - 4649.632 Prosecutor

What would giving their names, how would that give a mouse cheese?

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4650.313 - 4657.117 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

Meaning it would stoke the fire that they've had to continue with their actions against me.

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4657.817 - 4669.944 Andrea Canning

The judge cleared the courtroom so Rossi could reveal in secret who was after him. When the proceedings reopened, the prosecutor countered, if Nicholas was so concerned about hiding his identity, why did he create a media circus?

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4670.572 - 4676.376 Prosecutor

Did you think that going on public television was a good way to keep your identity quiet? Objection.

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4677.296 - 4683.9 Andrea Canning

We asked former prosecutor Levitt to weigh in on Nicholas's revelation. Big, big twist in this case.

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4684.881 - 4686.762 David Levitt

Oh, huge. Yeah, I mean, it's a game changer.

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4687.263 - 4692.906 Lynn Keller

What do you make of this argument that he had to go by Arthur Knight because his life was in danger?

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4693.366 - 4705.752 David Levitt

Well, I mean, I give the same... I'm out of credence to that story as I do the allegation that I hired someone to put a tattoo on his arm in Scotland.

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4706.233 - 4714.457 Andrea Canning

Levitt believes Rossi's admission is more legal strategy than change of heart. He says Nicholas had no chance of getting bail if he didn't admit his real identity.

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4715.098 - 4720.981 David Levitt

If I'm claiming not to be the person I am, then that paints me as a flight risk, so I'm not going to get bail.

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4721.481 - 4725.584 Andrea Canning

Regardless of his admission, the prosecutor argued Rossi should stay behind bars.

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4726.104 - 4747.112 Prosecutor

For somebody who has faked their own death, who denied that they were who they were for three years in a foreign country, and then just have him come in here and say, well, yeah, I am that person, but I was hiding from two people who were threatened to kill me. He is a flight risk. And so the state would ask that the court move his bail to no bond.

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4747.432 - 4747.852 Judge

Thank you.

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4748.712 - 4750.193 Andrea Canning

The judge quickly made his ruling.

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4750.543 - 4756.606 Judge

The court finds that the state has met its burden of proof. I will order that Mr. Rossi be held without bail.

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4758.586 - 4770.711 Andrea Canning

Rossi's legal proceedings continued. Two months later, he was back in a different Utah courtroom for the other rape charge. That's when Mary came to Salt Lake City to see her attacker right where she thinks he belongs.

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4771.612 - 4776.734 Mary Grabinski

He's in custody. I've waited years to see him in custody, so it's going to be very sweet for me.

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4777.128 - 4787.613 Andrea Canning

And she knows she's the reason he's there. Because had you not pushed and then him ending up on the registry, that connection would not have been made to Utah.

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4787.853 - 4788.093 Catherine Heckendorn

Right.

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4788.893 - 4798.957 Mary Grabinski

It shows you how you have the power to change things. For me, it's heartbreaking because I should have been the last one. There shouldn't have been Utah women. It should have ended with me.

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4799.758 - 4802.439 Andrea Canning

She wanted the prosecution to know she was here to help.

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4803.069 - 4821.296 Mary Grabinski

While we were waiting for the hearing to start, I made myself known to the prosecution who I was, my experience with Nick. They knew immediately who I was. But I let them know, if there's anything you need, character witness, any kind of statements, to please let me know because I know Nick. I know some of the worst parts of Nick.

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4824.209 - 4833.374 Andrea Canning

When it came time for the hearing to begin, instead of appearing in person, Rossi was on video from jail. Not what Mary expected, but an experience she calls a win.

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4834.235 - 4844.561 Mary Grabinski

Seeing him behind bars with the Utah County emblem back behind was extremely satisfying and it made me happy to see him there because he can't hurt anybody while he's there.

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4845.862 - 4852.886 Andrea Canning

Rossi pleaded not guilty to both rape charges. His attorney said Nicholas and his wife Miranda are still happily married.

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4853.669 - 4858.23 Nicholas Rossi (as Arthur Knight)

His wife lives in the United Kingdom. She is supporting it and sending money when she can.

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4858.75 - 4882.976 Andrea Canning

On December 3rd, Nicholas was offered a plea deal that would cover both rape charges. He has until January 7th to decide if he will accept it. Otherwise, he is expected to go to trial in April of 2025. As for David Levitt, even though the journey to prosecute Nicholas Rossi turned his life upside down, the former prosecutor says he has no regrets. And now he has something else to occupy his time.

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4883.786 - 4901.413 Andrea Canning

What did David Levitt do after leaving office? He bought this fixer-upper Scottish castle called Knockderry. And it just happens to be 50 miles from where Nicholas Rossi was caught. Some people here in Scotland are calling this castle your F.U. castle.

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4902.033 - 4903.733 Lynn Keller

Did you know that? I didn't know that.

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4906.474 - 4915.473 David Levitt

I had a choice to make. The choice was simple. Do I save my political career or do I do my job? And take the man down.

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4916.294 - 4924.243 Andrea Canning

Mary and Nick's ex-wife, Catherine, are relieved Rossi is behind bars. And they hope he will stay locked up for a very long time.

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4925.064 - 4935.753 Catherine Heckendorn

I've worked very hard to try and fight to feel safe and secure again. And remember, not everybody is him. Not everybody is a monster.

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4935.773 - 4953.878 Mary Grabinski

I mean, we're all different, but we all have a common thread between us, right? That Nick changed our lives. It's been years. I still won't go to a restaurant with my back to the door. You know, I'm always just kind of vigilant. Who's around me? But at the end of the day, I am stronger than him. I am better than him.

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4955.739 - 4967.342 Andrea Canning

Both Mary and Catherine are now married with children, working to put Nicholas in their rearview mirror. What do you want to get across? What's the most important part of all of this?

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4968.123 - 4986.356 Catherine Heckendorn

I want the courts to know that if he ever gets out, he will do it again. He will find more victims. That is his way of life, and that's all he knows. And it's not okay for a person like that to be free.

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4989.468 - 5002.482 Lester Holt

That's all for this edition of Dateline. We'll see you again next Friday at 9, 8 central. And of course, I'll see you each weeknight for NBC Nightly News. I'm Lester Holt. For all of us at NBC News, good night.

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