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True Crime Vault: Overboard
It is rather disarming when you're trying to find the Hawks, and he's admitting to the money laundering piece on his side. It was unusual that someone would admit that to the police.
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True Crime Vault: Overboard
Their boat was moored in Newport Harbor right off 15th Street, and they would use their small boat to travel back and forth from the dock to the well-deserved.
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True Crime Vault: Overboard
We met with Carter Ford and we went out to the boat. From a distance, you probably wouldn't notice too much. But as you get closer, the first thing you notice is that the boat was tied, that lines were hanging kind of over the side of the boat.
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True Crime Vault: Overboard
They were a very close-knit family. So if they couldn't be reached over a certain period of time, all kinds of alarm bells went off.
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True Crime Vault: Overboard
They bid me goodbye on the phone Monday morning. The next thing I heard was a voicemail from Jackie and said that, we're still at sea. I'll be in touch with you again.
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True Crime Vault: Overboard
For me, it was a worrisome mystery. I wanted more information. I wanted to know who was his would-be buyer.
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True Crime Vault: Overboard
Most missing persons investigations, the person's found in a very short amount of time. It's either lack of communication or perhaps they went somewhere else that they weren't expected to. Jim Hawks, Tom Hawks' brother, he had already done his homework on his own. Once our investigators start talking with him, we knew we needed to really start looking hard.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
They recovered her rather quickly. Keys was so accurate as to where her remains were. It was rather incredible how well he remembered that.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
We still have a lot of unanswered questions at this point.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
I had my police scanner on and I had it in my ear.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
He's definitely picked a fighter with Samantha. I think she was just fighting in every way that she possibly could.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
I told her that it was going to be a quick exchange as far as a ransom of some kind. And that was the impression she was under.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
While Keyes is driving around Anchorage, he asks for Samantha's cell phone and Samantha tells him that it's still at the coffee hut. So Keyes drives back to the coffee hut in order to retrieve Samantha's cell phone.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
It's after midnight, early morning hours, when Keys gets back to his residence. He takes Samantha into his shed, which is adjacent to his home. At the time, his girlfriend was in the home, was still awake. His daughter was also at home asleep.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
At that point upon his return, Samantha is still in his shed.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
He told us he had flown from Alaska into Las Vegas, and that he had rented a car there, and he had driven from Las Vegas to Texas to attend his sister's wedding.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
We decided to perform a warrantless search on the vehicle, because if we hadn't, then Israel could have left in that car.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
In the ATM videos, the person taking money out of the ATM wore what looked like the same shoes. When we opened the trunk and the ranger started going through things in the trunk of the car.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
We found a gray hoodie that appeared to be the same hoodie that the perpetrator had been wearing in the ATM videos. And in the pocket of that was this gray piece of cloth that looked like a mask. We also found the amber shooting glasses. We got our guy.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
After he was put under arrest, he was transported to the Lufkin Police Department. The Ranger and I do a thorough search of Israel's wallet, and we found Samantha's ATM card. Samantha's cell phone was in the car. At this point, we still don't know if he is the person who has abducted Samantha. but we are convinced that he is the person who was withdrawing money from the ATM.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
As the pieces of the puzzle start coming together, it's a feeling like nothing you can ever experience. A girl's missing, and we might have the guy who took her. We might be able to find her. and bring her home safe.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
We were able to see some computers from his home.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
The whole shed was put onto a flatbed and taken back to the FBI building here in Anchorage.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
It was just chaotic in the office. We're trying to find out absolutely everything we can about this individual. How is he connected to Samantha? Is he connected to Samantha at all? There is just a lot of mystery behind him. What does he do for a living? What's his criminal history like? Does anyone else live in his house?
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
At this point, Keyes is charged federally, extradited back to Alaska.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
He's charged with theft of an access device, which is for the debit card, the use of that debit card.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
Myself, Jolene, and some other investigators were in a separate room where we were able to listen in to what was going on.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
So we're just sitting there on the edges of our seat, just wondering what he's going to say.
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
So Valerie had actually come from work, so she was literally wearing scrubs from the vet clinic along with Dr. McDaniel monogrammed on the scrub jacket.
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
And he finally gets her to say that she does, in fact, want him to be killed.
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
And that's when he said, well, if you want that done, it's going to be another $10,000. And Valerie said, OK, I have to pay you out in installments of it, but I'll pay you $10,000.
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
She had just gotten divorced and taken a loan out of $1.2 million to pay Mac McDaniel as part of that divorce. So liquidity may have been an issue for them. So she had to pay $1.25 in the divorce? She had to take a loan out.
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
I believe Leon and Valerie paid for the bill. It was very nice of them.
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
She is in no way surprised that this happened. She knew that he had a temper, he would explode, and now that she was denying him access to herself, like, he became obsessed with her.
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
So at that point, we've closed both cases, but we decided we wanted to go an extra step. And so that extra step was the death notice.
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
He stands at the threshold of the apartment. They allow her to go get her daughter. She brings the daughter to the threshold and then hands the daughter off to Mac. And that was the last time that she saw her daughter.
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
Something is off. She's just a little girl. You think she's faking it? She has adult teeth? There are signs of puberty?
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
They keep having to tell her to speak up, and she says things like, you know, so you wanted your husband killed. You know, you can't nod. You have to say yes. Be like, yes, that's what I wanted.
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
How does Valerie get from well-respected vet to hiring a hitman to suicide? I think that you're going to find this linchpin of that is Leon Jacob.
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
She wouldn't hang out with her friends anymore, which is all classic stalker method of operation. You cut them off from their friends, you seclude them.
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
Is that you laying face down in the grass with that pig's blood all over you?
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
That would have put you sleeping with Valerie McDaniel just seven days after you and Megan broke up, correct?
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
Okay. So when you tell the members of this jury that you're heart sick over Megan, that's not really true, is it?
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
Did you not want anybody hurt when you said, inject her with potassium chloride, stop her heart, untraceable?
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
This defendant cannot be trusted to live among us. He's terrorized too many people for too long. The only appropriate punishment in this case is life.
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
They have Zach call Leon and say, hey, I got a guy. He's going to do the hit for us.
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True Crime Vault: Toxic Love
Did he just say both issues? So HPD is learning, oh, there's a second person they're trying to take care of.
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True Crime Vault: Shot in the Dark
We had the exits from this residence. We saw cars going by, but we couldn't identify them. The cameras didn't have enough resolution.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Er springt auf und fängt an zu springen, im Wesentlichen Richtung mich.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
The courtroom broke into hysterics. People screaming, people running out of the courtroom. The marshal grabbed him as he was going over the wall. Within a few steps that Keyes took, Jeff was right on him.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
During the weeks after Israel had abducted Samantha, he was like excited on high. Maybe that was because he thought he'd gotten away with it already. And when he came to Texas, he wanted to do it again.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Israel war sehr schnell zu den Banknachrichten in Texas zu verurteilen. Aber er hat negiert, dass er jemanden genommen hat.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
We took him to the ground and tasered him. It made me very uncomfortable. He was highly unpredictable and capable of doing almost anything without much notice.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Mit Keyes ging es nicht nur darum, Homoside, Mord, sexuelle Angriffe zu machen. Er war beteiligt in vielen anderen Krimis. Wie hast du das Haus gekauft?
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Sie haben das Haus zerstört. Sie haben dann unterschiedliche Sachen verwendet, die anders Feuer erzeugen würden. Sie haben bestimmte Fenster geöffnet, um sicherzustellen, dass das Haus von Feuer verwendet wurde.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Der Grund dafür, dass er diesen Feuer aufgebaut hat, war, dass er alle Behörden in diesem Bereich zu diesem Hausfeuer nehmen würde, all ihre Aufmerksamkeit aufnehmen würde, damit er dann nach Azle, Texas gehen könnte und eine Bankverletzung durchführen würde.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Der Feuer, die Bankverwaltung, all die Aktivitäten, die dazu führen, zeigen, dass er sehr außer Kontrolle war und dass die Wahrscheinlichkeit, dass er jemanden abnimmt und jemanden tötet, noch höher war. Meine Mutter hat mich angerufen.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Die Bankmord, die Israel verursacht hat, war in Azle, Texas. Die Feuerwehr war in Aledo, Texas. Jimmy Tidwell lebte in Mount Enterprise, Texas. Er wurde am Morgen am 15. Februar gesehen. Niemand weiß, wo Israel war am 15. Februar. The disguise that Israel Keys was wearing included a white hard hat and there was long hair hanging out from the hard hat.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
What we didn't find was the white hard hat or the hair that he said he taped under it.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Das DNA von dem könnte uns vielleicht an Jimmy Tidwell verbunden haben.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Ich glaube nicht, dass diese genügend detailliert sind, um ein Individuum zu bezeichnen. Ich glaube nicht, dass wir das durchgehen können und sagen, das ist Samantha Koenig und das sind die Couriers. Aber ich glaube, dass er sehr intensiv war, wie viele er gemacht hat. Ich glaube, dass dies Satan und Israel Keys bezeichnet. Und das Abseits-Dauern-Kruzifix ist auf.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Seine 11 Gefühle zeigen, dass das sein ist und diese Geschichten und Geister gehören ihm. und wir möchten einen Namen für jeden davon geben.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Israel hat uns erzählt, dass er sich über andere Serialkiller beschäftigt und studiert hat. So hat er seine Ideen dazu bekommen, wo man jemanden nehmen muss und was man tun muss, um Leute nicht zu töten. Als ich Israel gefragt habe, welche Serialkiller er am meisten zu bezeichnen oder zu emulieren hat, hat er sich meistens zu Ted Bundy bezeichnet.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Viele andere Serialkiller haben einen bestimmten Typ. Bei Keyes war das absolut nicht der Fall. Es gab Männer, Frauen, alt, jung. Das machte ihn in meiner Meinung noch gefährlicher. Denn es geht nicht um die Person. Es geht darum, die perfekte Situation zu finden, um jemanden zu nehmen.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Israel Keyes, hat auf dem Olympischen Peninsula von 2001 bis 2007 gelebt. Als Keyes im Armee war, hat er diese Frau online getroffen.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Sie ist ziemlich schnell verheiratet und er bewegt sich mit ihr in die Native American Community in Mia Bay, Washington.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Mein Verständnis von Israel ist, dass er die Niabe um seine Beziehung und seine Tochter, die geboren werden wird, gezwungen hat. Das ist, wo seine Freundin herkommt und wo sie leben wollte. Und so hat er sie dort gefolgt.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Es war sehr seltsam, dass Keyes so leicht in Neah Bay akzeptiert wurde, die von den Amerikanern populiert ist. Es ist eine Reservation. Seine Akzeptanz in dieser Gemeinschaft war bedeutend für seine Fähigkeit, diese Maske der Sanität zu tragen.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
I am getting along with my wife better than I ever have. All you have to do is agree to something that you would never do.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Alle haben ihn gefreut. Er war der beste Co-Arbeiter, der beste Arbeiter, der beste Freund.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Ich habe mir immer gedacht, dass ein mögliches Szenario für ihn wäre, einfach tief in die Wälder oder die Wälder zu gehen, in die Meilen zu gehen und dann aufzusteigen und dann einfach zu warten. Er hat uns gesagt, dass er oft nur einen Knall anzeigen musste. Er hat die Verletzten überzeugt, dass es eine Art Gewalt war und er sie einfach aufbauen musste.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Und sobald er sie aufbauen konnte, war er völlig in Kontrolle. Der Olympischen Peninsular ist sehr rural. Die Olympische Bergfläche läuft durch ihn und die große Mehrheit der Lande ist sowohl Nationalpark als auch Nationalwälder. Ich denke, es sind ein Millionen Hektar, der Park selbst. Es ist ein riesiges Gebiet, sehr hübsche Berge, tiefe, dünne Wälder.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Ich bin sicher, dass der Olympische Nationalpark Teil seines Hunting Grounds war. Es ist etwa eine Drehzeit von Nia Bay.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Mit Samantha und den Couriers hat er Blitz-Attacken genannt, bei denen er nach ihnen ging. Was wir für Washington-State verstanden haben, war, dass er in diese berühmten Bereiche gehen würde und die Gefühle aufwärmen würde.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Wir behandeln jemanden, der viele Menschen getötet hat. Es sind mehrere Familien, die betroffen sind, und wir wissen nicht, wer sie sind. Es gab kleine Dinge, die sich ausdrücken. Aber er hat die Details nicht verbal erfüllt.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Unsere spezifischste Informationen kamen aus einem Buch, das er in seiner Gefängniszelle geschrieben hatte, in dem er über einige seiner Verbrechen geschrieben hat, ohne zu identifizieren, wer diese Menschen waren. Und es gibt ein paar, die er von Washington State geschrieben hat. Und das Buch war ziemlich detailliert darüber, was er zu diesen Individuen getan hat.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Er hat die Frau zuerst verabschiedet und der Mann war noch wach, während er die Frau verabschiedet hat. Es scheint, dass er ihn mit einer Schaufel getroffen hat. Und dann wissen wir, dass sie beide nach ihrem Tod verabschiedet werden. Was er uns über die Städte in Washington-Stadt erzählt, ist, dass sie wenig zu wenig Medien hatten, als sie verschwunden sind.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Israel hatte mehrere Stunden im Garten des Geräts, auf Wartezeit, um zum Gerät zu gehen. Die Beine, wie auch die Handzüge, sind mit einer Kante verbunden. Er wusste, warum eine der Kanten sehr leise war. Er sass dort für Stunden und wackelte das Stück Metall, bis es sich von dem Bein-Iron freigab.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
In 2007 endete Keys Beziehung zu einer Frau in Neah Bay und er beschloss sich, in Anchorage zurückzukehren, weil es da immer noch ein sehr remote Gefühl gibt.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Seine Freundin hat ein paar Probleme. Er sagt, dass er weggeht. Er will nach Alaska. Er will die Tochter nehmen. Und er endet mit der vollen Behandlung der Frau.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Dann nahm er ein Stück Cellophane, in dem sein Sandwich enthalten war, und machte einen Strang daraus. Das Cellophane brach, sodass seine Beine drei Füße entfernt waren, statt 16 Inch. The next day I interviewed Israel. I said, seriously, do you really think you were going to escape? And he said, if I had a 1% chance of escaping, what did I have to lose? Really?
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
November 2012 scheint es ein Routine-Meeting mit Israel zu sein.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Aber am Ende dieses Interviews zeigt er, dass einer der Böden, die er hier in Washington-Stadt versammelt hat, Lake Crescent ist.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Wie viele Milchkabinen? Vier oder fünf für den Tank. Nur für einen?
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Er gab uns eine vage Beschreibung, wo der Körper gesunken war, aber nichts, was wir folgen konnten. Ein riesiges Maß an Wasser. Unpraktisch, um eine Suche ohne mehr spezifische Informationen zu machen.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Am 2. Dezember 2012 war ich auf einer SWAT-Operation und wir hatten gerade ein Zuhause auf einem barrikaden Objekt eingefahren und wir haben diesen Individuen in die Gefängnis genommen, als ich von einem Teammitglied auf die Schulter getappt wurde und gesagt wurde, mit dem Kommandeur zu sprechen.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Ich bekam eine Telefonnachricht von Jolene und ich wusste, von dem Zeitpunkt an, als sie mich angerufen hat, war es keine positive Nachricht.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Und dann hat er mir gesagt, dass Israel Keyes tot war. Ich fuhr ins Gefängnis. Ich habe Jolene kennengelernt und wir sind in Israels Gefängnis gegangen. Ich habe ihn vor mir gesehen, auf der Mattrasse. Da war ein Fluss Blut aus seinem Bett.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Er versuchte, in mehreren Wegen zu verurteilen. Er hat seine Rippen sehr tief mit einem Rasierer geschnitten. Er hat auch eine Nusse gefashioniert, also etwas um seinen Nacken, mit einem Kühlschrank.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Er legte den Schlauch über seinen Fuß und drückte ihn auf den Bein, um die Kraft um seine Nase zu erzeugen, um sich zu bewegen. Keyes konnte einen Rasierer schälen.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Er hatte einen kleinen, silbernen Stoff, den er in den Rasierer zurückgeben konnte, damit es so aussieht, als ob der Schwanz da war. Und das wurde dem Verwaltungsbeamten zurückgegeben.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
I was extremely upset wondering how something like that had happened. And I was upset with the Department of Corrections at first and then obviously Israel.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
I hate the fact that Keyes had his final word in his suicide. That was under his control, not ours.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Federal Inmate Israel Keys was found dead in his jail cell of an apparent suicide. We don't have a federal prison here. So we pay the State Department of Corrections to house them. First of all, you know, they're under custody. Initial dachte ich, es gäbe Möglichkeiten, die Situation in diesem Fall zu manipulieren.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Als ich wusste, was nach diesem Statement passiert ist, hörte ich, ob er etwas gesagt hätte, was uns gesagt hätte, dass er sich töten würde und dass es kein weiteres Interview geben würde. Im Hintergrund fühlte ich mich, als ich ihn nach dem Gefängnis zurückgezogen habe und darüber gesprochen habe, was wir im nächsten Interview darüber sprechen werden, Er sagte, ja, klar.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Und dann gab er seinen seltsamen Lächeln. Das macht mich jetzt denken, dass er einen Plan hatte, weil er wusste, dass er nicht im nächsten Interview sein wird. Es fühlte sich wie ein Schlag in den Mund.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Ich würde sagen, viele Leute waren froh, dass er tot war. Sie denken, das ist, was er verdient hat. Aber es gibt ein bisschen Rekognition davon, dass er viel Informationen mit ihm genommen hat.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Ich glaube, er hatte eine Erfolgsplanung, eine Vision in seinem Kopf, wie er über den Topf jeder Schuhe zu der Tür fliegt und fliegt. Ich hatte Angst, dass ich wegkomme. Du hattest immer auf deinen Beinen, weil er sehr gefährlich war.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Ich will die Gefühle definitiv nicht verlieren. Das ist die echte Geschichte, dass das normale, alltägliche Menschen waren. Und es war wirklich nur ein Zwischenzeitpunkt, als sie mit den Schlüsseln über die Straße kamen. Und leider führte es zu ihrem Tod.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Wir überprüfen immer noch die Beweise. Wir bekommen auch immer wieder Beispiele. Leider haben wir noch keine anderen Fälle von seinem Verbrechen gelöst.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Ich glaube, wir können andere Verbrecher identifizieren. Es braucht nur genug Augenbrauen und Sonnenlicht und Druck. Und das kann passieren.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Er hat Samantha Koenig verurteilt. Wir haben die Karriere verurteilt. Aber anders als Samantha haben wir ihre Körper für ihre Familie nicht zurückgebracht. Es ist ziemlich offensichtlich, dass das nicht zu isolierend war.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Während unserer Interviews mit Israel Keys hat er uns gezeigt, dass es mehr Verbrecher gab. Und er sagte speziell, weniger als zwölf.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Wir hatten noch viel Arbeit zu tun, um alle Krämpfe, die er verursacht hatte, zu lösen.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Als wir die Computers von Keys Haus besiegt haben, haben wir sie forensisch überprüft, um zu sehen, was er suchte. Was waren die wichtigen Suchbegriffe, die er suchte?
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Auf seinem Computer hat er die Name von Deborah Feldman gesucht. Sie ist von Hackensack, New Jersey, am 8. April 2009 weggeflogen.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Ich würde sagen, sie hat ein bisschen eine scharfe Leidenschaft gelebt.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
There was very little information in the news, if any, about Debra's disappearance. So to have keys all the way across the country, trying to get information about her missing person case, that was a huge indicator to us that he maybe had something to do or was responsible for Debra's disappearance.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
So we put the picture of Debra Feldman in front of him. We all left the room. And then we went to the observation room. And then we watched him look at the photo. And he had a clear reaction to it.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
It was a pretty significant change in demeanor. And his response was essentially, I don't want to talk about this one yet.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Alles ist ein Power-Zweck. Und Keyes' Hauptpriorität ist, den Tod zu bekommen und es schnell zu bekommen.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Als Keyes lernte, dass wir nicht so in Kontrolle waren, wann er den Todspenalten bekommen könnte, wie er es zuerst dachte, habe ich gedacht, dass das der Ort war, wo er sich ein bisschen mehr aufsteigen konnte.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Wenn du denkst, dass ich nicht da bin, wenn du denkst, dass wir das hier nicht aufsteigen können, I don't know who stole it. Somebody stole it.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
He tried to take control over more of the interviews and really controlled when he would give us information and how much information he would give us.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
It's like little bargaining chips, whatever you want to call it. The prosecution was hoping to use a death penalty to their advantage in getting additional information from him.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Die Bewerbungsgruppe hat die Gelegenheit gebraucht, um andere Mörder und Verbrechen von Keyes zu lösen. Können wir ihn weiterhelfen und herausfinden, was er getan hat?
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Während Keyes im Anker-Korrektions-Komplex verurteilt wurde, haben die Anker-Korrektions-Offiziere eine Suche nach seinem Schlafzimmer gemacht. Unterhalb seines Schlafzimmers haben sie zwölf Bilder gefunden,
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Es gab 11 Kräfte, ein Pentagramm mit einem Gürtel drauf. Und eines der Schriftstücke sagte, dass wir eins sind.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Dies sind die Schriften, die in Israel Keyes' Gefängniszimmer entdeckt wurden, von der Korrektionsabteilung. Er musste einen Schmerz verursachen, ob er sich in den Nase geschlagen hat, um so viel Blut zu erzeugen.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Das war für uns wichtig, weil wir niemals Keyes zu sagen konnten, wie viele Menschen er getötet hat.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
So this one here I think is significant because it's the one that has, we are one written on it. Which again I believe signifies that he believes that all of these victims and all of these people, their stories and their soul belong to him. They know that there's potentially up to 10 or 11 victims. So there's 7 or 8 that we don't know where they're at.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Als wir die 11 Verbrechen bemerkten, hat er uns nie korrigiert.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Das gab uns zumindest ein Ziel, diese 11 Verbrechen zu suchen. Können wir ihn in einem bestimmten Ort für einen Zeitraum befinden und versuchen, die Missing People in dem Bereich herauszufinden, in dem er damals reist? Irgendwo von Alaska bis zum Ostkosten.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
New York City, Philadelphia, Washington, das ist fast der ganze Ostkosten. Westen gehen wir bis nach L.A.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Er hat in seinen Interviews darüber gesprochen, wie er das Smartphone aus der Batterie aus dem Smartphone nehmen würde, damit er während der Zeit nicht getrackt werden würde. Wir versuchen, so viele Rekorde wie möglich über Keyes zu sammeln, ob es um die Familie ging oder ob er mit seiner Freundin reisen würde, wo er diese Stärke hatte.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Am Anfang von 2012 geht er auf zwei separate Reisen nach Texas. Der erste ist, nachdem er Samantha getötet hat, als er seine Familie aus New Orleans auf einen Kurs führte.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Als sie von dem Kurs zurückkehrten, flog Israels Freundin zurück nach Anchorage. Israel und seine Tochter fuhren nach dem Dallas-Fort Worth-Bereich, um seine Mutter Heidi zu besuchen.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Der zweite Texas-Trip ist, nachdem Keyes durch den Südwesten gefahren ist, und dann ist Keyes auf seinem zweiten Texas-Trip verhaftet.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Es war sehr möglich, dass Dinge in Texas geschehen wären. In der Suche nach dem Kordfokus haben wir drei Rollen Geld gefunden. In der Tür des Fahrers They were musty and appeared to have dye on them.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
So I put out another special bulletin about unsolved bank robberies during the time period that Israel was in Texas. I got a call from a task force officer in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. And he said there was a robbery in Azle, Texas on February the 16th. Der Bankrubber-Suspekt hatte einen weißen Hartz-Hat. Er hatte lange, schwarze Haare, die von unten aus dem Hartz-Hat kamen.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Ich wusste sofort, dass das Israel Keys war. Nur seine Stärke, die Waffe, die er hielt, sah aus wie eine Waffe, die wir von seinem Fahrzeug besiegt hatten. Die Jacket, die er anhatte.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Seine Beschreibung seiner Reise nach Texas war schrecklich, denn er beschrieb die Eskalation-Kriege zu einem viel höheren Niveau.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Heidi hat uns erzählt, dass Israel seit zwei oder drei Tagen verschwunden ist. Seine Tochter stand in seiner Mütterhaus. Sie konnten ihn weder per Text noch per Telefon erreichen. Von Februar 14. bis Februar 16. war er off the grid. Er hat gesagt, dass er auch außer Kontrolle war.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Ja, er hat das gesagt. Er hat 2.847 Meilen auf sein Fahrzeug gelegt.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Aber es ist etwas anderes geworden. Er springt aus seinem Seil und springt über die Barriere, die ihn von dem Rest der Galerie entfernt.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Wir mussten entscheiden, ob sich jemand in Texas verletzt hatte, während dieser Zeit. Und es war eine Person in Texas, die verschwindet ist. Und das Name war Jimmy Tidwell aus Mount Enterprise, Texas.
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True Crime Vault: New DNA Analysis in a Murder
If you break it down and look at what the evidence truly is, I don't feel like it would support a conviction if he was tried today.
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Unholy Matrimony
And just to put the icing on the cake of this picture of domesticity, the street they lived on was Strawberry Lane.
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Unholy Matrimony
They open up their marriage, meaning other couples have come into the bedroom.
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Unholy Matrimony
You see a guy on security footage, you're going to get excited. Who else could it be? It seems so promising.
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Unholy Matrimony
Sabrina and her family and the detectives aren't the only people desperate for answers. The people at BNSF Railroad also want to help.
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Unholy Matrimony
Once detectives speak with Mr. Hearn, they are suddenly led down a whole new investigative path.
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Unholy Matrimony
About three weeks after Robert was murdered, police got a game-changing phone call from Robert's good friend, Jason Bernatty. It really changes the face of everything.
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Unholy Matrimony
Jonathan Hearn really did have a natural instinct to draw people in. He's a first responder. He took care of elderly ladies and he would make them feel okay and everything's fine.
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Unholy Matrimony
Then shortly after the voicemail, Jason Bernatine has something new to turn over to cops, and that's the strangest of letters from Jonathan Hearn.
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Unholy Matrimony
Detectives are blasting through this new lead with Jonathan Hearn, and they learn all kinds of things.
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Unholy Matrimony
They start talking. It's flirtatious. They exchange phone numbers. They have a couple of get togethers. But it starts to develop an emotional component.
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Unholy Matrimony
Jonathan's showing up a lot in Sabrina's home. He's bringing flowers, but bringing his sister with him.
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Unholy Matrimony
But what's really bizarre is that Jonathan is trying so desperately to get himself inside this group, this wolf pack. He is really trying so hard to get in there and be a part of this group so he can be near Sabrina. Why is he doing this? Why not just keep the affair going secretly?
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Unholy Matrimony
Jonathan Hearn has a Yamaha motorcycle that seems a lot like the one you see in the footage.
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Unholy Matrimony
The family life for the Lamones was brilliant. It was loving. Sabrina devoted her life to her children. That was her number one priority, and she was, by choice, a stay-at-home mom. Robert was really hardworking, reliable. They were also a family that liked to have fun. They had a lot of friends.
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Unholy Matrimony
It's been three years since Robert Limon was brutally gunned down at his place of work. Now, his own wife, she goes up against one major witness, the man she once loved, the man she swore she wanted a future with.
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Unholy Matrimony
Deputy District Attorney Eric Smith tells the jury that the motive for this murder was love and money.
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Unholy Matrimony
Jonathan says she places the container in his lunch bag and sends him off to work. But then she panics and she chickens out.
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Unholy Matrimony
Jonathan actually crafted his own silencer, and he made it out of a large flashlight that he somehow attached to his weapon.
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Unholy Matrimony
Jonathan begins ransacking the office in this attempt to make it look like a robbery gone bad. He rifles through some drawers. He throws some papers around. He steals the laptop that's on the desk. He turns around to leave, and guess what? He thought he had heard some sort of gurgling sounds from Robert Lamone.
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Unholy Matrimony
Rob and Sabrina, they seemed very happy. They were always calling each other, sweet little names, always kissing each other, laughing a lot.
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Unholy Matrimony
Among this wolf pack is a couple, Jason and Kelly Bernatine. They were particularly close to Sabrina and Robert. Jason was a firefighter and Kelly was a hairstylist. In fact, that's how she met Sabrina.
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Unholy Matrimony
So between 2000 and 2008, it's a pretty steady marriage. Great family life, great social life, everything going well. But in 2008, Something starts happening in this relationship.
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Unholy Matrimony
The jury did not buy that she had anything to do with that, clearly. But then it makes you wonder then, on what grounds did they think she had something to do with this ultimate murder?
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Unholy Matrimony
On February 21 of 2018, now going into four years since her husband was brutally gunned down, Sabrina Limon hears her fate.
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Unholy Matrimony
Robert was known as a rapid responder. He would fill in for other people who needed some time off at the last second.
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Unholy Matrimony
for a whodunit that's boiling underneath. This investigation takes cops down a very unusual road that involves God and David and Bathsheba and murder.
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Unholy Matrimony
Some say it was Sabrina's idea. Others say Rob was into it. Unless we were flies on the wall in the bedroom, we won't know for sure.
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Unholy Matrimony
Robert was due to get off at 7 in the evening and return home to his wife and kids.
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Unholy Matrimony
Around 7 PM, Rob's replacement shows up to take over the shift. Immediately he sees things don't seem right.
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Small Town, Big Con
I talked to the board and I explained to them, you don't have anything but $31 in a frozen bank account. There's no records of anything as to where this money went. It's all spent.
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Small Town, Big Con
And there was purchases to TJ Maxx, purchases to Olive Garden. And then when I started adding it up, I'm like, $32,000 in one night you raise for two sports teams, and it all just disappears. I mean, there's no way to rectify that.
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Small Town, Big Con
The question was still out there of whether she was sitting on a pile of money. All these different questions.
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Small Town, Big Con
Okay. had there been something there that shouldn't have been there, would have turned it over to law enforcement. She's all smiles and looking at him and trying to be polite. And as soon as he turns his back, she changes her look, like her whole demeanor changes.
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Small Town, Big Con
Natalie would deposit from their company and then sift it back out in various different ways.
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The Code Breakers
Police even looked at similar crimes that had taken place elsewhere in the area. It took fingerprints, footprints. There was no match.
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The Code Breakers
It sounded like science fiction at the time, this way you could take decades-old DNA, put it into a genealogy database, build a family tree for your suspect, and then that takes you right to his door. That was pretty amazing.
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The Code Breakers
Her fiance, who was about to marry her, adopt her daughter, he gets home and he immediately notices something is wrong. There's blood smeared on the stairway. The killer had attacked her in the bedroom?
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The Code Breakers
Within a year, he was solving cases almost every week. And the more cold cases they closed, the more publicity they got. And police departments around the world started sending them cases. It's just grown exponentially. In terms of publicly announced solves, Othram is number one in the world. That includes homicides, rapes, unidentified bodies that they've been able to give names to.
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The Code Breakers
Correct. At that point, Authram's in-house genealogy team takes over to build a family tree for the suspected killer of Kathy Swartz.
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The Code Breakers
Brandon Best is almost out of central casting for a Texas Ranger. He's this imposing man with his white hat. When David Middleman founded Othram, nobody had heard of them. And when Best visited in 2019, he was really kind of taken aback.
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The Code Breakers
Pass came away impressed. He heard about the opportunity to solve a cold case, and he thought, let's team up.
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The Code Breakers
So on January 14, 1995, the Beaumont Police Department gets a 911 call from a man at a townhouse in West Beaumont.
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The Code Breakers
He had found his daughter in the second floor bathroom, slumped over the tub.
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The Code Breakers
That woman was Catherine Edwards, and she's a teacher at a local elementary school.
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The Code Breakers
Her father said he grabbed her and pulled her over and rolled her over to look and see if there's anything he could do. He was crying hysterically.
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The Code Breakers
Dad covers her with a towel. Police show up. There's one officer by the name of Carmen Brown. She shows up first, and she secures the crime scene.
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The Code Breakers
Catherine and her twin sister Allison grew up in Beaumont. They're part of a close-knit Presbyterian family. They both attended Forest Park High School and then Lamar University, which is in Beaumont. And they both became school teachers at the Beaumont Independent School District. Catherine and her sister were extremely close.
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The Code Breakers
When you talk about Mary Catherine and talk about Allison and look at them, I mean, they are identical twins. You can't tell them apart. They both had students come up to each other in the grocery store thinking they were the other twin.
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The Code Breakers
She came by, visited with her sister, went home. From what we can tell, she'd had a glass of wine and just kind of was relaxing and about to go to bed. And I think the last time she was heard from was about 8 o'clock that night.
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The Code Breakers
One of the neighbors told police that he heard someone clomping down the stairs overnight on the night of January 13th.
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The Code Breakers
It lasted for 60 to 90 seconds. And they said they never heard a scream, so they just figured that something else might have been going on. They had no idea that there was a murder taking place next door.
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The Code Breakers
Crime scene investigators found that there was no sign of forced entry, which is significant because it either meant that Katherine had kept her door unlocked or had potentially recognized her killer and let him in.
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The Code Breakers
Investigators found semen on Katherine's bedspread and from the rape kit. We've got some DNA here.
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The Code Breakers
Kathy's baby, who's nine months old, dressed in pants, a shirt. She has one sock on. Her diaper looks like it's been recently changed. She was standing up in the crib when Mike walked in.
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The Code Breakers
Police were really stumped. They tried every avenue they could think of, but every avenue hit a dead end. One of their initial theories was that the killer had some sort of law enforcement background. The handcuffs were Smith & Wesson. That's a popular brand with law enforcement.
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The Code Breakers
They were trying everything they could think of. They really did. They went and tracked down sales of handcuffs in this area, receipts.
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The Code Breakers
All members of the Belmont Police Department were tested. There were no matches.
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The Code Breakers
It went from a rumor to just spreading like wildfire throughout the community. Everybody wanted to know, was this a one-time deal? Was this a serial killer?
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The Code Breakers
You have all these puzzle pieces, but if they don't all fit together, you don't see the picture.
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The Code Breakers
In 2020, a courier drops off a package at Authram's office. And inside are a sample of the bedspread from Catherine Edwards' apartment, a vial of DNA taken from the posthumous rape kit. Authentic technicians take a look, and they build a genetic profile of their suspect.
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The Code Breakers
Aaron Llewellyn knew one who would work the case for free, and that was his wife, Tina.
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The Code Breakers
Tina doesn't ask. Tina Llewellyn was a detective in the Beaumont Auto Crimes Division. and she had an amateur interest in genealogy.
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The Code Breakers
when Tina Llewellyn is looking through the matches to their suspect. These are distant relatives of the suspected killer. She notices that a lot of them are in clustered in Cajun country in Louisiana. And the same contact name keeps popping up. This woman named Sheryl Lapointe.
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The Code Breakers
Cajun ancestry is notoriously complicated and complex to perform genealogical work on.
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The Code Breakers
Aaron goes and does research and finds out that he had a criminal history from here, and it was a prior sexual assault that had occurred in 1981. And there was a moment like, oh, this is our guy.
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The Code Breakers
So one of the first things that investigators notice is that there doesn't seem to be any sign of forced entry, which again suggests that she knew the person who came in and killed her.
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The Code Breakers
He drove her to a nearby park, threatened her with a knife, tied her hands behind her back, and raped her in the backseat of the car. Then he dropped her off at her house.
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The Code Breakers
She said that the prosecutor talked to her, said, you know, this is his first offense. We want to plead him to an aggravated assault. She didn't understand what that meant other than he was pleading to a felony and for assaulting her. And so she agreed to the plea bargain agreement.
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The Code Breakers
Investigators figure out that Clayton Foreman is working in a suburb of Columbus, Ohio. And he's working as a rideshare driver.
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The Code Breakers
We've got a suspect. Now we've got to make sure that's the right guy. So they go. They pull the trash can. They get some plastic silverware from takeout and some other things from the trash can.
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The Code Breakers
There are defensive wounds found on her hands. Her throat has been cut in multiple places. She's been strangled.
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The Code Breakers
Clayton Foreman goes on trial in March of 2024 in Beaumont. He is charged with capital murder.
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The Code Breakers
That 911 tape was very impactful to start the trial off with. That really gets you involved and to know that something horrible happened.
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The Code Breakers
Alison is now 60 years old. And she offered really powerful testimony about growing up with Catherine.
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The Code Breakers
Allison recalls the afternoon where her sister's body was discovered. Catherine just never showed up to this lunch. So eventually her father, Lum, agreed to go check on her.
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The Code Breakers
And it was just heartbreaking to see. I mean, her twin, identical twin, is what she would have looked like today if she was alive. And there she is up on the stand testifying. And the emotion and the love and the hurt, all of it came out and was so impactful with the jury.
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The Code Breakers
Allison said when Katherine died, she thought her parents died a little bit that day, too.
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The Code Breakers
Without the DNA, the story doesn't matter. That's that one puzzle piece that puts it all together.
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The Code Breakers
There is a bloody footprint in the bathroom. It looks like the suspect took a shower after the murder to try to maybe wipe the blood off, clean up. But in the process of doing so, he left behind a left footprint, size 9, in blood.
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The Code Breakers
She relived it on that stand. And it was amazing to watch her, how brave she was to do that.
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The Code Breakers
The case was very one sided and the prosecution had all the witnesses had all the evidence. There's very little the defense could do.
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The Code Breakers
It took police nearly 30 years to bring Clayton Foreman to trial for the murder of Catherine Edwards. It took the jury less than an hour to convict him. It was very fast. He was sentenced to life in prison.
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The Code Breakers
When the police initially interviewed him, he had this kind of flat affect to his voice. He didn't seem to be all that upset that she was dead. He didn't get emotional. And that seemed very suspicious to police.
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The Code Breakers
On the refrigerator, they noticed two pieces of writing. Metallica was written on the refrigerator and Harley was here. These were inexplicable writings that apparently had been erased.
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The Code Breakers
In fact, he has a Harley Davidson decal on his truck. The truck was spotted outside Kathy's apartment that very afternoon of her murder.
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The Code Breakers
You know, when they further look into him, he doesn't have an alibi for that afternoon. So he immediately becomes their number one suspect.
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The Code Breakers
They take fingerprints and footprints from him, and those prints also do not match.
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Family Lies?
That was a common occurrence. They used to go either weekly or sometimes biweekly.
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Family Lies?
Investigators ask Nathan about employees at Chocolos' company, and the grandson mentions one who he says complains about being overworked and underpaid.
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Family Lies?
While cleared as a suspect in the murder, Saadi was later convicted of stealing some $400,000 from Chaklis' company.
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Family Lies?
Anybody else in the family own any weapons? No. Anybody have access to any weapons? Anybody that knows anybody that knows anybody that has weapons? Nothing at all. Okay. So we've got no weapons, we've got no enemies that we know of. That we know of.
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Family Lies?
But in the wake of the Newtown massacre, these types of weapons were illegal to own in Connecticut, where Chocolos was murdered.
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Family Lies?
It's an expensive rifle, retailing for almost $2,000. Jed says he suggested other options that were more economical for target shooting, but the buyer knows what he wants.
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Family Lies?
After the discovery at Shooter's Outpost, Nathan is asked again about owning any guns.
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Family Lies?
It started out as a typical missing persons investigation, which is not criminal in nature. Our first order of business is naturally to find the missing people, gather the facts and circumstances to try to determine how they potentially went missing. Oftentimes people are not missing, they're just overdue.
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Family Lies?
Given the nature of the success rate that the Coast Guard has with search and rescue, I was very, very shocked that they were not finding anything.
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Family Lies?
We deferred to the Coast Guard for search and rescue efforts in that respect. They were really scouring the ocean, and the search efforts came up unsuccessful.
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Family Lies?
I think it was day six that the Coast Guard made a decision to call off any additional search. And at that point, they had covered 64,000 square nautical miles. which is a massive, massive search area.
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Family Lies?
It looked like he had been somewhat almost living out of his truck or sleeping in his truck. We found some receipts from different marine stores.
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Family Lies?
items purchased at area marinas in the hours before the fateful voyage included a rock type anchor that would never have worked for Nathan's boat. And then some lengths of chain They were curious purchases.
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Family Lies?
But there was also a bucket of eels that was in Nathan's truck. That stood out to me because eels are often used as bait when fishing for striped bass. And if you left the dock and didn't take your bait, what are you using for bait if you're going fishing?
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Family Lies?
At the same time that Nathan and Linda's vehicles were searched at the docks, police in Vermont were conducting a search of Nathan's house, which was under construction.
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Family Lies?
Another item that was seized during the search was a lengthy letter that Nathan had written to an unknown priest that described his relationship and his view of his mother.
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Family Lies?
My mother's bullying, calling me a quitter, a stuck-up snob who thinks he is a king, and a piece of basically characterized my childhood. One night, though, I went to bed imagining myself as essentially a master of my own hell, enjoying and inflicting grave bodily suffering on other people. So, yeah.
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Family Lies?
After his interview with Alfred Bucco, Nathan has all but stopped talking to the police and is never questioned about the letter or his missing computer. Reporter Lindsey Janis is one of the few people he is willing to talk to.
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Family Lies?
With Linda Carmen presumed lost at sea, her reportedly tumultuous relationship with her son Nathan was under renewed scrutiny. He sits down with 2020 for a second interview, which now holds new significance.
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Family Lies?
By now, more details of John Chocolos' death and the subsequent investigation have risen to the surface.
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Family Lies?
I got a call from my supervisor saying that Nathan had been recovered by a passing ship. I was shocked and I was thankful that there was a survivor.
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Family Lies?
We had no boat. We had no body. But as in any investigation, there's always evidence that can be recovered. It's just a matter of making sure that you know where to look.
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Family Lies?
As with the death of John Chocolos, according to investigators, there isn't enough evidence to charge Nathan with a crime. But in a twist of fate, a seemingly innocuous insurance claim for the sunken boat is about to take the saga of Nathan Carman in an unexpected direction.
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Family Lies?
New twist to the story-making national headlines involving Nathan Carman. They file what is known as a slayer petition, which prevents a person from inheriting property from someone they murdered.
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Family Lies?
He ended up taking depositions. He ended up going into court and arguing motions.
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Family Lies?
Is that correct? Okay. Nathan pleads the Fifth 81 times during this deposition. I plead the Fifth. I plead the Fifth. I plead the Fifth. I plead the Fifth. And I plead the Fifth. Meaning he declines to answer questions to avoid potentially incriminating himself.
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Family Lies?
The judge dismisses the case after he rules John Chocolos wasn't a resident of New Hampshire.
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Family Lies?
So now we can start to maybe get some insight as to what transpired and why it transpired. But it was also concerning because Linda hadn't been recovered.
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Family Lies?
Pieces of the puzzle had started to come together and had started to paint a picture for us that this was, in fact, a criminal act.
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Family Lies?
There were too many inconsistencies. There were too many things that just didn't add up.
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Family Lies?
We don't have a body. We don't have a boat. So it's a very, very difficult case to try to prove. The grand jurors have to decide, is there enough evidence to proceed and indict?
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Family Lies?
Nathan was surprised when he was advised that he was under arrest for the murder of Linda Carmen.
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Family Lies?
The court sides with his aunts and denies Nathan's bail, setting a trial date for October 2nd, 2023. Marty and his team get to work.
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Family Lies?
The criminal charges against Nathan were dismissed. So in the eyes of the law, Nathan is an innocent man still today.
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Family Lies?
This is a nautical map. The area that Nathan departed from is right up here. His transit would have taken him down this body of water here. That is the point in which one of the individuals traveling inbound observed Nathan and Linda on the boat. And that was the last time that anyone saw the boat.
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Mountain of Lies
We talked to other people who were at the service, and he didn't say any nice things about Tony, that he was more angry that there was an investigation. And in fact, at one point, he said to somebody, Tony had to go and get herself killed on federal lands.
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Mountain of Lies
I talked to the Bertolais several times. They maintained contact with Harold to keep an eye on Haley. They wanted to make sure Haley was OK. But they also were giving me updates on Harold, and they felt that that was a way that they could help in the investigation.
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Mountain of Lies
We talked to the nannies. One of the nannies told us that Harold and Tony didn't sleep together, that they had separate areas where they slept. He had an office in his basement. But occasionally, he would also go on business trips. And he would go on these trips, but he wouldn't have luggage. And then he would just kind of show up the next day.
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Mountain of Lies
And the nanny was wondering if Harold was having an affair. He seemed to have a secret life. So all right, let's find out what we can about his business.
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Mountain of Lies
We couldn't find any concrete evidence of his work. There was no online presence, and almost everybody has an online presence of some sort if they have a business, especially if you're a fundraiser. on his business cards. Harold had CFR, certified fundraiser, and there is actually an agency that issues that certification. So I contacted that agency and they indicated no.
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Mountain of Lies
We have no idea who he is and no, he's not a certified fundraiser. Oh my gosh, he doesn't even have a business.
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Mountain of Lies
The consistent theme was Harold's first wife died in similar unusual circumstances. You gotta look into it. Remote locations, odd places, why were they there in the first place? Harold was not injured in any way in either of these incidents, but his spouse was killed.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
Very religious. She and Harold married fairly young. Never had any kids. He really wanted a child with Lynn. We also learned that he was very controlling of his relationship with Lynn. Was the control a red flag for you? Absolutely, because he drove the relationship.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
Harold claims that he was driving the road And the right front tire seemed spongy. So he pulled over to change the tire.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
There's two types of jacks involved in this incident. One is a regular car jack. The other jack was a boat jack, which is basically a tube with another telescoping tube that comes out of it. not safe for a car. His story is that this car jack, this more stable one, didn't work, so he used a boat jack to jack up the car.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
So then he said he had taken the lug nuts off of the wheel, and he said that Lynn had a cloth in her hand, and he handed her the lug nuts. He pulled the tire off,
20/20
Mountain of Lies
His version was that Lynn must have dropped the lug nuts and gone to crawl under the car to get the lug nuts. Because there were lug nuts in the photos of the scene.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
There were lug nuts under the car. And then he said he went to the back of the Jeep and he tossed the tire into the back of the Jeep. and that when he did that, it dislodged the Jeep. And he heard a scream, and he said he ran to the front of the vehicle, and he could see that the vehicle had dropped and was laying on his wife.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
I was given the Lynn Henthorne case to reinvestigate in January of 2013. I discovered in the documentation one of the first witnesses on scene. When I called her up, I said, can you think of any reason why a detective from Douglas County would want to call you and talk to you? And her response to me was, that lady, I still have nightmares about that.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
When Dave Weaver was assigned to the case, he opened it up as a possible homicide. And he was looking at is that even physically possible for someone to crawl under a car to get lug nuts and then have this jack collapse?
20/20
Mountain of Lies
So one of the versions that Harold gave lands here six feet away from the Jeep. He takes the tire, he walks to the back, puts the tire to the back. Whatever he did caused the Jeep to fall off the jack.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
If I was Harold, who allegedly had a bad back, you wouldn't just pick the tire up and throw it in. But that's what he said he did, right? So I'm going to pick the tire up, which is pretty heavy, and I'm going to throw it in. Okay, didn't do anything, didn't knock it off. Realistically, if you were gonna put a tire in a jacked up car, you probably wouldn't throw it in.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
Our conclusion is Harold could have actually released that bottle jack and it could have lowered directly onto her very rapidly. Releasing it down is the most controlled.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
We're not proving that Harold killed Lynn, but we wanted to introduce Lynn Henthorne's death into our case of Tony's as a precursor to killing Tony.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
What was really important to me was for Lynn's family to know that the death certificate had been changed. So they would know that Lynn was still remembered and that she wasn't forgotten.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
I felt like my relationship with Harold got closer. I had gotten cell records, and one of the individuals that kept popping up in a cell record was Grace Rochelle. Harold and Grace texted and called each other all the time before Tony died. And we had to ask the question, was Grace his paramour? Is this why he killed Tony?
20/20
Mountain of Lies
Within days of Tony dying, the park received a letter about Harold's first wife, Lynn Henthorne.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
A man having one wife die is tragic. A man having two wives die is suspicious. So we started questioning, did he have a mistress? Did he have another family somewhere?
20/20
Mountain of Lies
At that point, I had gotten cell records, and one of the individuals that kept popping up in a cell record was Grace Rochelle. So Grace Rochelle was Harold's former sister-in-law. Lynn Rochelle, his first wife's brother's ex-wife.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
But Harold and Grace texted and called each other all the time. We had to ask the question, was Grace Harold's lover? Is this why he killed Tony?
20/20
Mountain of Lies
Grace sat with us for five hours and talked with us. We pretty quickly determined that she was not Harold's paramour. Grace was concerned about her children's financial future and Harold said, I tell you what, why don't you get in an insurance policy and we'll make the girls a beneficiary.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
And then we dropped the bomb on her that Harold never canceled this policy. The policy had Harold Henthorn as the primary beneficiary. Her daughters weren't mentioned at all. And the policy was $400,000. I said, that can't be possible.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
When we looked at Lynn's death, we found there was $600,000 that he received. But then we saw over time that Harold had taken out several policies also on Tony that nobody seemed to know about. The year that they're married, he takes out a $1.5 million policy on Tony. Then he takes out another $1.5 million policy in 2005. In 2008, takes out yet another $1.5 million.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
So we're seeing this pattern of building up her net worth, so to speak, if she were to die. At the time she died, how much was she worth dead? She was worth dead $4.7 million.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
Both women were described as extremely loving, Christian women, successful, strong women, but at the same time, very controlled by Harold.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
After Tony moved to Colorado, Harold started controlling her communication with the family.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
OK. Well, Merry Christmas, if any of you flew in last evening from Denver, Colorado.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
Tony's mother said this wasn't the first time something bad happened to Tony.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
The Henthorns had a cabin up at Grand Lake. They had been up at the cabin, and it was late at night.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
It's a small one-story cabin with a fairly sizable deck that goes to a sloping area. There's a broken light. Harold was outside on the deck and he called Tony to come help him.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
Her story to the medic is that there was a broken light and she was picking up the broken light bulb when her husband threw a piece of wood over the deck.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
The final outcome was that she suffered damage to her cervical spine. I really believe that was his first attempt at murder.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
As an investigator, you're looking at this, you're like, what else is he capable of? And that's what we really needed to dive into. So we needed to do a presentation to the United States Attorney's Office to see who we could get assigned to the case. And it was at that time that we got assigned Sunita and Valeria.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
And I said, look, you guys need to come up to Rocky Mountain National Park and see the scene. So we hike up Deer Mountain, and then we start going off trail.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
His story that he told the Rangers is they went off to have some romantic time.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
And then we wander through the woods and then we get to the lunch spot. And they had the aha moment. They looked down that rocky slope and they said there's no reason for Harold and Tony to be here.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
And so we realized we were going to have to do a search warrant for his house.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
There were tax returns, which were very interesting to us. I'm a fundraising consultant.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
He had posed for almost 20 years as somebody he's not and worked really hard at it.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
Friends and family told us that once Tony had Haley, it was almost like Tony was a third wheel in that family.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
It has some really eerie similarities. The information that we did piece together from his childhood was little bits and pieces from friends that did speak with us.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
We were concerned that his relationship with Haley was almost to a point of obsession.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
So Harold knew that we were investigating him, and he had told people that he had a bag packed for when he got arrested.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
These checks that Tony would get for oil and gas, Harold would deposit them. And at one point, Tony's father found out that all of the oil and gas checks went into Harold's account. And he confronted Tony with it. He's like, why don't you have your own account? Why don't you separate your finances from Harold? And that spurred Tony to open up her own bank account.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
And she actually took the next checks. And she deposited them. Harold was not on that account. I thought to myself, she's about to leave him. Our theory is that Tony was starting to pull away from her. And if Tony were to ever leave him, it would all come out financially that he didn't have a job, that he had been lying, and that he would probably lose custody of Haley.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
And we think that that would have been absolutely unacceptable for Harold. And we think that was the motivating factor to kill her then. The money. The money and control. Motive started solidifying pretty quickly.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
When he was wooing her online, some of the things that they talked about was that they both wanted children. It's a Christian dating site, so they were both Christian.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
I had a big pile of cell tower information as well as call information. And I gave that pile to Johnny. I said, try to figure out where Harold was going on these business trips.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
We had to strategize on what circumstantial evidence would be key to our investigation.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
Well, people want direct evidence, right? They want to see that it's an absolute. In a homicide case, it's even harder to show a jury circumstantial evidence and have them come to the conclusion of homicide.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
The judge agreed that, yes, Lynn's death and the beam incident, the similarities are too strong to be ignored.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
We showed the autopsy photos of Tony because he never mentions she's got a massive head wound and that she's bleeding out profusely. And so we wanted to ensure that the jury understood that there's no way he could mistake the injuries.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
All of this is to get justice for Tony. Justice for Haley. And it's a really, really satisfying moment.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
I believe that putting Harold in a position where he cannot control anything is great punishment for Harold. He robbed Haley of a mother.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
Now we have a fatality investigation we have to conduct. And the first thing we want to do is document the scene.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
There's a tree that on one side, the branches had been kind of knocked off or broken off. I called the impact tree. You can see that was in a place where I imagine Toni probably impacted as she fell to the ground. There were small things that didn't totally add up. There's an obscure area, not a place where I would expect your average hiker to just happen across because it was just so steep.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
I noticed there was a shoe that was there, an untied boot. Usually, in the course of a fall, shoes tend not to untie themselves.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
And there was a really key piece of evidence. Tony's camera was destroyed, but the SD card was still intact. We were able to look at the photos, and these pictures are very important to us, because these are the last moments of Tony Henthorne's life.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
Ranger Farradion made arrangements to go to Harold Henthorne's house and interview him, because there's still a lot of questions we need to ask.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
The pictures were extremely important to the investigation in terms of building a footprint of what they did that day. So this is them in front of the Stanley, which is a big hotel in Estes Park the night before. The next morning, they had breakfast, and then they went and picked up some sandwiches. But you can see Tony's in the car. She's got her lipstick on. She's looking happy.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
This photo is them at what we've dubbed the lunch spot. We know that they had lunch there. It's a very key spot to the investigation. What Harold had told Mark was they hiked up till the trail plateaued. They wanted to get off the trail for some privacy. When we recreated their steps, there's no trail where Tony and Harold had lunch. It's not cleared in any way, and it's pretty difficult hiking.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
Tony's camera was destroyed, but the SD card was still intact. These are the last moments of Tony Henthorne's life.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
We were actually able to determine that this is indeed where they did have lunch. That is a very distinct rock feature with a very distinct dead tree in the photos. And there's a photo of Tony and Harold sitting right where I'm standing. The lunch spot is a very beautiful spot, and there's really no reason to go any further, however they go further.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
We know that this is the spot that they stopped because there are several photos of Harold Henthorne standing right on that ledge with this death grip on this tree because it's a sheer drop on the other side of him. 15 minutes later, there's another picture of him, identical, but he's wearing a blue denim shirt.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
This photo, you're actually looking up from where her body was recovered. This is 160 feet. This is where Tony fell.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
I was taken aback by the size of her head wound. She probably would have bled out very quickly. Never once did Harold mention in any of the 911 calls that she was bleeding.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
It's in the gray right there. That's almost exactly where her body was found, where that X was. There's a lot of things here that don't add up.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
Our theory was that he was trying to lure her to stand where he is, that he's saying, look, honey, this is safe. You can stand here.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
When you saw the autopsy report, what did you think? I was taken aback by the size of her head wound.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
One of the things that was very suspicious was Harold's story that they stopped at this cliff ledge and that he received a text message from his nanny saying that his daughter had just won a soccer game and that out of the corner of his eye he looked up and Tony was gone. Very specific moment in time. And we realized that, well, that text message came in at the same time that he called 911.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
911, what's the address of the emergency? Hello, my name is Harold Henthorne. He told Mark it took him about 45 minutes to get down to the bottom of the cliff where Tony's body was, and then he called 911. We know when he called 911 and when that text message came in. And those don't match up to his story. He then subsequently starts making more phone calls.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
Harold never says she's got a massive head wound, never says that she's bleeding out, none of that, just that she fell and is unconscious.
20/20
Mountain of Lies
In the autopsy photos, her lipstick was intact. I've personally done CPR and it's extremely messy. And you don't end up with intact lipstick like Tony did. So Harold's texting with Barry while he's allegedly helping his wife, while he's telling people that Tony has fallen from a cliff. He ended up receiving and sending over 90 texts that night.
Anatomy of Murder
Behind the Mask (Ernest Ibarra)
Of course, obviously you understand when something like this happens involving a spouse, obviously, you know, you've seen the news, you've seen deals when the wife that was missing, you look at your husband or vice versa, but the wife, if the husband's missing, I mean, let's start with their inner core people, family, friends, all that, and then start working their way out.
Anatomy of Murder
The Sting (Somaya Hussein Ahmed)
Something happened in there and that body and that room is going to tell us a story. And it's going to give us a historical picture of what happened in that room.
Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Lizzbeth Aleman-Popoca
We are giving you an opportunity... to come clean here. And I see how uncomfortable you are because quite frankly, sir, you should be. These texts were not from your wife from somewhere else. These texts originated from within your house. How does your missing wife text you and her sister from the confines of your home when she allegedly went missing several days before that?
Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Lizzbeth Aleman-Popoca
And if you can answer that question, then I will let that go.
Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Lizzbeth Aleman-Popoca
What do you think happened? I don't understand. I mean, you come, car's missing, 10 minutes you're out, car's there.
Crime Junkie
MURDERED: Lizzbeth Aleman-Popoca
No, no, which is fine because couples go through that all the time. We just are wondering about the car. Where do you think she went? She walked down the street. She decided to just leave the car and walk down the street?
Dateline NBC
The Haunted House Confession
These text messages that you deleted, and you know what I'm talking about, because you even told somebody, hey, my phone's clean.
Dateline NBC
The Haunted House Confession
You delete your text messages. Yeah. Okay. And apparently you deleted some yesterday before you showed up. That was way earlier. No, that's not what these text messages that you deleted. And you know what I'm talking about because you even told somebody, hey, my phone's clean. So why don't you tell me about that?
Dateline NBC
The Haunted House Confession
I smoke weed and I just don't want that. That's the only thing that would be in there.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
Correct. I think you have bad facts in almost every case. So those are just hurdles that we had to overcome by other circumstantial evidence that we had.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
I am not the person asked to explain the criminal psychology of one's mind that convinces them that they need to kill two little girls. I don't think anything in his past would justify or explain why he did this.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
My openings are always very, very short and very, very to the point. I would rather just keep the jury kind of on the hook.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
He went out to the trails that day. He laid in wait. He then saw the two girls, forced them down the hill with a firearm. We believe there's a sexual assault that was going to occur. And then we believe he got spooked and he decided to kill them. He left the crime scene and continued on with his life.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
The bullet to me was huge because it tied Richard Allen to the crime scene where the girls were found. Racking the gun in that situation would be such a powerful statement that if you don't do what I say, I am going to shoot you or I am going to hurt you. And so we just believe that was how he was able to control the girls with this firearm.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
I agree. In her dying moment, she had to wear with all to pull that phone out and take a video and help solve her own crime.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
There's always that fear they're going to say that. But we had in our minds what we want to identify as bridge guy and then tie in that Richard Allen is bridge guy. That was our strategy from day one.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
We believed he was on the trails from 1.30 to 3.30 like he had originally said in 2017. In 2022, he changed that from 12.30 to 1.30. McCleland also played Richard Allen's voice in court.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
When you heard that, did you think, game over? It just confirmed that we had the right guy.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
What can we confirm in that confession? He said he saw a van. Let's start looking around. Were there any vans in the area? a local man named Brad Weber took the stand. And sure enough, Brad Weber was coming home from work that day, and sure enough, he was driving a van.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
Yeah, it was. We felt that way. We felt that only person that would know a van went down that private drive on that day would be the two girls and the killer.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
Without her, we would not be here. Without her, we would not have an arrest. A conviction and a sentence.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
She had to wherewithal to pull that phone out and take a video.
Dateline NBC
The Man of Many Faces
And to the best of your knowledge, when Mr. Rossi was returned to the United States, did additional DNA testing confirm that he was in fact Mr. Nicholas Rossi? Yes, sir.
Morbid
Introducing: Law & Crime’s LUIGI
They have him captured on film shooting another human being.
Murder in the Moonlight
About Face
It would help explain how... Two teens from Wisconsin end up at such a remote location that there is somebody else that's involved, that there is somebody directing them to this remote farmhouse to do this murder.
Murder in the Moonlight
About Face
What we were looking for was anything at all that would tie them to Nebraska or any other location that they were at during their crime sprees.
Murder in the Moonlight
About Face
I had a signed consent form from her saying I could have that phone. Where was it? Right where she said it was, in her little corner of that house where we performed the search warrant.
Murder in the Moonlight
About Face
This was so bizarre. That gives you a mindset of the type of person we were dealing with.
Murder in the Moonlight
About Face
17 years old. What this is telling us with this letter is her motivation, how she's feeling, and that she truly was involved in pulling the trigger on at least one of the people there.
Murder in the Moonlight
About Face
I thought jail was the safest place for this girl. She said she loved killing, wished she could do it all the time.
Murder in the Moonlight
About Face
It depended on the day you interviewed Jessica. One day, she's pulling the trigger and shooting the man above his eye. The next day, Greg did it all. It just was so back and forth with her. It was a very, very difficult time in every interview with her to really determine how much truth she was giving.
My Friend Daisy
Episode 1 - Sitting Ducks
Most people thought all this was an easy case, but we didn't have any witnesses.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
There was a reason for her at that point to have a broken heart, maybe have some animosity towards Matthew.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
The data retrieve told us a lot. It told us his call history. It showed us his location.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
There was nothing on her end that would make us look at her as being involved in this.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
So the homicide unit went out there and we recovered surveillance video from the time that the cell phone was at this gas station. The video wasn't that good, but it did show Matthew, the passenger of the vehicle, who was definitely a male, and he was taller, get out of the car, come in, and they purchased something. And then they got back in the car, and they acted like friends.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
Our main task was to figure out who this random guy is that's riding around with Matt.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
He had said that he saw Matt that day, and there was a passenger in the car, and the name he brought up was Nasty Nate. There was no arguments. There was no against anybody's will. It was a friendly relationship.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
Our homicide analyst located a subject that lived right in the area of where Matt's phone went dead. Right where one of those breadcrumbs was, was the address of Nathan Ortiz. When we did background on Nathan... He resembled the person that was with Matthew at the gas station. Once we find the identity of Nathan Ortiz, we also learn that he had a girlfriend named Aria.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
They live at a house right in the area of where Matt's phone went dead.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
We actually made contact with Nathan's parents. They give us statements, and they pretty much tell us that Nate and Aria, his girlfriend, do live there, but they hadn't been home in a couple of days.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
Nathan Ortiz lives close to the last location of Matthew's cell phone. And one of the things we noticed is right next door, there was earth that was disturbed. like something was either dug up or buried, and it was recent.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
I thought we had found Matt. I thought we had found the people responsible for it. But it turned out not to be the case.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
When Nathan and Aria came in that night, it was a lot of minimization. They were just friends of Matthew.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
Matt just kind of showed up out of the blue. They went driving, listened to music.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
When we get to the part where Matthew gets shot and Aria shoots him, it's very quick. There's no detail in it whatsoever.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
Based upon some interviews with family, Matthew had some medical issues with his right hand that would have caused him not to be able to articulate it in a way that at least gave us a clue that Nate and Aria weren't very truthful about the altercation that took place inside the vehicle.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
We need the entire truth. But it's the bigger shit, like, when we get deeper into the story. All right? Yeah.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
After he's buried, um, what happens? Um... I put a couple of trees on him.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
There's a lot of theories on why Aria had to pull the trigger that day. One of the things that came up later during the investigation about the motive was that this probably was a setup. Matthew wasn't wealthy. but he probably had access to narcotics. And it's a possibility that Aria and Nathan were trying to rob Matthew of whatever narcotics he had on him.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
The first step of a missing persons investigation is, of course, to verify the person's actually missing. See where they were, see where they were last seen. Kind of just do a lot of background information on them.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
What happened in the car, it's a mystery. We got to go on the facts. Matthew Collins died in a way that somebody else was responsible for it. And the person who was responsible for it was in the backseat of that car. The only person in the backseat of that car was Aria Armstead.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
The car was found abandoned. in an area of Lehigh Acres that's not very populous. It's a dead end with not really any houses around it.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
When Matthew Collins was originally reported missing, Francesca had reported her vehicle missing with him.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
My reaction when I first saw the car was, we have a problem. We have a missing person, and we have what appeared to be a bullet hole in the windshield in a vehicle that he was less known to be driving.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
Matt was known for committing home invasions. He would commonly brag about the amount of money he would get from these home invasions. It would kind of sustain his lifestyle.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
After he was in prison, he was a really, really hard worker. His family and even his friends said he was trying to do the right thing.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
Francesca herself is a very successful person. She works in the medical profession.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
Matt and Francesca were living in Lehigh Acres. He had introduced her to his family.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
When we first saw the car and it was all sealed up and looking through the windows, you couldn't really discern how much blood was actually in the vehicle. Once we opened the car up, you could definitely tell something had happened.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
It was time to go and look a little deeper at this and the aspect of it possibly being a homicide. This vehicle, it was immediately towed to our forensics facility where everything was kind of done in a controlled environment.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
We find out that he was involved in narcotics use and narcotics abuse.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
There's nobody in the trunk, but the trunk did have an extreme amount of blood in it.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
We had very little to go on. We had a car with blood in the front seat and the trunk and a missing person. And we didn't know, did Matthew take the car and was he involved in some kind of crime? Was he the victim of a crime?
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
He's got a checkered past that would be concerning to some people. And that's when we find out that Matthew has been to prison before. He got out about a year ago. Yeah. I'd say at least a year ago. We find out that he was involved in narcotics use and narcotics abuse. It was out there that Matt kind of had a temper, and he would not be afraid to fight anybody.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
There were a lot of theories at that point. You know, maybe he committed a home invasion. Maybe he got mixed up with the wrong person.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
My reaction when we actually opened the door was, we have a problem.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
Personally, I don't trust this girl. Francesca, she had kind of made her mind up that something bad happened, and she did talk about it in the past tense a couple of times. That was a red flag.
Snapped: Women Who Murder
Aria Armstead
So the last time Francesca saw Matt was at her house, and he had made the comment that he was going to go get his hair cut at a local barbershop.
THREE
The Prison Priest | Chapter 4
Today is Monday, May 17, and it's 10.38 Hawaii time. And we're in Minnesota, which is five hours ahead. This is a video interview of, what is your full and correct name? Michael Wayne Ortiz.
THREE
The Prison Priest | Chapter 4
Michael, on May 5th, 1999, we had a video conferencing with you from Honolulu to Minnesota. Do you remember that video conference?
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The Prison Priest | Chapter 4
We asked you questions about the Dana Ireland case, and you provided us with information which we recorded on audio tape. Do you remember us doing that?
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Is the information that you gave us on the audio tape true and correct to the best of your knowledge?
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Okay. Have I promised you or anybody from my office promise you anything in exchange for the information that you gave us on May 5th over the video conferencing? No. Okay. Michael, are you willing to testify in the Ireland case should the case go to trial?