Detective Connor O'Donnell
Appearances
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
Yes. Yeah, we have to look at the... what the shot selection tells us and the number of shots, what it tells us. If you consider a 10-round magazine with one in the gun, that's 11. That means somebody's most likely emptied their gun.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
Yep. Where do you start? You generally start just in the center. I mean, with the immediate family.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
This is a hard question I have to ask you, but do you think you have any ideas what happened?
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
I believe it was a bank alert. A check was discovered that had been cashed on Mike's account. It was just a blank check forged.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
An associate. I wouldn't say a friend. Somebody that would have known him.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
Yes. People react to polygraphs in different ways. If they're just, yeah, let's get it over with. When can we do it? If they have that kind of attitude, that we look at them one way. If they're like, Uh, yeah, maybe I will. Then we look at them a different way.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
So it sits in the back of my mind that, oh, here's the person we have to check on because it's not likely somebody is driving 500 miles to do this.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
No, she just said generally that Mike had a propensity for getting himself in trouble.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
She went to the King supermarket, she went to Target, she went to the AutoZone, and she went to the gas station.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
All that's adding up. I mean, the errands were absolutely, that was certain that she did that. There was no question on that.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
And I said, what was purchased? And he said, two five gallon gas cans and a cigarette lighter.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
Yes, through the King Soopers and the Target and the AutoZone and the gas station.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
She had a newer car. So I'm thinking, what on earth could a person in her situation buy at AutoZone?
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
I called up the AutoZone and said, can you check back through your receipts? And he went back through and I said, what was purchased? And he said, two five-gallon gas cans and a cigarette lighter.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
The phone records were blank from 3 o'clock on Saturday till 7 o'clock on Sunday.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
The phone was not used during that 27-hour period. I didn't just have that period of time to look at. I had a period of time before that. There was no other blank periods of that length.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
To get from Granby, where she said she hiked, the most direct route is through Rocky Mountain National Park, which has video at both ends at the guard gates.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
We sent detectives out there, and they obtained the video from both ends of the park to make sure that she had not gone through there, and she hadn't.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
He's asking her questions like I would ask, you know, where were you? Can you prove that you weren't involved in this? She said, I left Saturday and went for a drive in the mountains, and I didn't come back till Sunday, Sunday night. And he said, well, you got a hotel receipt or something? And she says, no, I slept in my car. Okay, well, did you see anybody?
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
I thought it was a possibility that she would have. And just to cover our bases, I sent a couple detectives on I-70 and hitting every gas station convenience store along I-70 to try to find video or any evidence that she had been in any of those places.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
There was a clerk that was 70% sure that she had seen Dana on Saturday night, which would have been appropriate to the time it took her to travel from Denver to Topeka.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
They showed her a photo, and she said, yeah, that lady looks familiar. I think she stopped here.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
Right. It doesn't mean she wasn't there, just we haven't found the physical evidence.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
Yeah, it's not usual to get that type of call out here. There's not a lot of gunshots, not a lot of violence out here.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
I'd seen murder-suicides before, and that was the first thought that came to my mind. In that neighborhood, it's typically not going to be a typical crime. It's going to be a family affair, and somebody shoots somebody and shoots themselves. And that's what I believed I was walking into.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
I didn't turn on any lights when I went down there, I just used my flashlight. I could tell there were casings down there, I could tell there were multiple shots.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
I was glad for the family. The work I did on the case was shown to be good, so I was happy about that. But still, you know, you're not jumping for joy after somebody gets convicted of a murder because nobody wins.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
Because, well, when there was no gun present, way too many rounds in both of them to be a murder-suicide.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
It was a long search, and we searched a lot of places. It was a needle in a haystack.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
Well, I didn't spend a lot of time counting. I knew it was multiple times by the casings. It appeared that he'd been shot in the belly and then rolled over and he took the sheets and covers with him as he rolled off the bed. But then somebody stood over him and shot down into him as evidenced by the rounds that we found underneath him.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
Yeah, it concerned me a little bit. I thought, yeah, it's possible she could be seen as sympathetic to the jury.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
Well, I can see that it's not accurate because I've obviously made an error on that. It was coming across as effective.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
My belief is the person came in after. But in looking for hiding places, somebody could have hidden in there, but it didn't really make sense to me. It seemed to make more sense that they came in afterwards, waited until they went to sleep, and then snuck in the house.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
They know what they're doing. They've got their witnesses in order. They've all been briefed. Everybody's on the same page.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
We also have, and it hasn't been mentioned yet, a Patty Williams in Wakini, Kansas.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
She pointed to the person in position four on the lineup and said she was about 70% sure that the woman in four was the woman that had been in the store.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
No, no forced entry, no. The sliding door was ajar, but Mike and Karen smoked on the back deck of the house and didn't lock the door, which in southwest Topeka, that's probably not that unusual.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
There was a coffee cup found on the kitchen table in the house and a coffee cup in Mike's vehicle out in the parking lot in the driveway.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
Yes. The next door neighbor had spoken to Mike and they'd mentioned that they were going to the casino that night.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
We went to the casino, got with security people, got all the videotape that we could.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
Yeah, we found them on the video and kind of through the cameras, walked through the casino with them to the different slot machines that they'd played at.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
No one followed them. They didn't have any confrontations with anybody.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
Followed them out, at least to the parking lot. When they get out to the parking lot, it's dark, it's late at night, so I don't believe it gets them all the way to their car.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
We obtained videotape from that store and found that they had in fact gone in there, gotten coffee. That's where the coffee cups came from.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
No, there was no one around the store. Nobody followed them in. Nobody followed them out. They were by themselves.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
There was a report from one of the neighbors that they'd heard a car slam around 2.30, 3 o'clock.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
Yeah, that's probably Mike and Karen coming home, that they heard a car door slam.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Obsession
In the basement, Mike had $900 plus, and Karen had $200 or $300 in her clothes, and her purse was there. Everything was there that should have been there, and it didn't appear like anything had been taken. So any jewelry? No, nothing.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
They had the business together, but there was no... No large sums of money that Bill would have gotten of Mary's death.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
Bill's not an emotional person, so he didn't seem very upset. He wasn't very outgoing in his emotions. So that was a concern when we first brought him in and talked to him. We're like, he should be more upset. He's not shedding any tears? Well, we're not speaking to Bill until five months later after Mary's death.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
He signed a consent. We went to the office, and he was very helpful. I mean, he was very forthgoing. He gave us everything we asked for.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
If it was before Mary's death, obviously that would have been a motive. Then we would have had to say, well, Bill now has a motive for this.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
Yes, and that came up. That was an obvious red flag, and we were very concerned about it.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
I received the letter stating that Adam did this. He was responsible. He told this person that he did it.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
Why did it say he did it? He thought he'd gain financially. If his mother passed away, he thought he'd have a financial gain. Also that there was arguments between him and his parents that he was upset with his mother. So it listed that as two of the reasonings.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
We sat down, we talked as to how we want to go about with Adam. We said, let's bring him up here. Let's see if he comes up in his vehicle. The letter says the colchicine is in the vehicle. We'll talk to Adam. We'll see if he comes up here with the colchicine.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
We were trying to get a feel for Adam at that point to see, you know, is he responsible for his mother's death? So we spoke to him. We then showed him parts of the letter that said where this Colchicine would be, in which he was taken back.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
Yes. But we still had some concerns also by his reactions. In what way? He was just hesitant to let us go look in his vehicle.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
They go out there and they search the vehicle right where it says it's going to be in the letter. And we pull out a cardboard sleeve with the colchicine inside the sleeve.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
They had an email address. It also had Adam's name on there. And from there, the Mr. Adam Yoder 1990 Gmail account, which was very important to us, was listed on there.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
At that moment, we're thinking, would he bring the poison up here with him? I mean, it doesn't make sense. If you killed your mother and you got the colchicine, you wouldn't drive up to the sheriff's office with the colchicine knowingly in your car. You would get rid of it. But again, you have an honest letter saying he admitted to doing it and that the colchicine would be in his car.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
So you kind of have a split reaction as to which way are we looking at it.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
No, we were comfortable enough to let him go, but we didn't say it absolutely had nothing to do with it.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
It was frustrating. I mean, there was a lot of nights we were frustrated by this case. We looked at Adam, but yet nothing else was pointing the finger at Adam. It just wasn't fitting. And the same with Bill. We'd want to say, okay, Bill did this, but why did Bill do it?
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
We were able to verify all this information that he wasn't having phone conversations, text messages with her prior to Mary's death.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
We just wanted to speak to her to see if she knew anything about Bill, about Mary, other than, you know, outside of the office.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
Yes. They would talk on and off. They would text each other. They would get back together, and then they would break up again.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
She makes some comments about Adam's acting strangely and isn't acting right.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
Yes. She's kind of hinting that, you know, the way Adam is acting, that he may be responsible for his mother's death.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
He took a shot and said, did you write the letter? And what did she say? She said yes.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
Yes. Once she admitted to writing that letter, it was definitely a turn of events for us.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
Yes, I think at this point she's becoming worried about where things are turning and how it's looking for her. Because if we didn't arrest Adam when we found the culture scene, now she knows we don't necessarily believe what's in that letter.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
So anything we asked her, she says, I know things are pointing at me, but it's Adam. She always tried to point the finger back at Adam.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
We wanted to speak to her again, but at this point now we also had a lot more police work to do.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
There's a kitchen area in the back where they would sit and have lunch and make their drinks. If Mary was out in this other room a couple offices away working on patients, Katie would have the time to go back there and do something.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
Correct. Once we learned Katie was the author of this letter, we got a search warrant for her house, for her cell phone. We also, we had the computers from the office that we had already secured. We wanted to get all those items and send them out to the forensic lab, to the computer lab, to have them analyzed and see what data was on those.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
Katie had accessed the Mr. Adam Yoder account from not only home, but from the office.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
All this evidence comes in against her. Nothing's coming back on Bill, and nothing came back on Adam.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
Absolutely. What would motivate her? Why would this girl kill Mary? I mean, what would be the reason behind it? We started looking at the relationship between Adam and Katie.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
Katie, I believe, has another side to her other than this side that everybody sees from her that she presents to everybody. If this is true, this is a diabolical side. Yes. An evil side.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
She asked if we would get involved in the investigation to determine how Mary got this in her system.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
Yes, at this point, we're like, well, we need to get ahold of the ME's office to see exactly, you know, what they have. What did they rule as the cause of death?
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
That they didn't know. That's when they started looking at different things. She took all these supplements. They looked at supplement contamination. Anything there? Never. We finally got the test back from there and nothing from there. Negative.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
If you're talking gout medicine, it's like you'd have to take anywhere from 40 to 60 pills, depending on your size. You'd have to take it all at once to be a lethal dose.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
We talked to the family. We started talking to people. We don't believe it's suicide.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
Did somebody poison Mary? Did somebody deliberately give this to Mary? We sat down with the ME's office and went through everything, all the autopsy. At that point, we were looking at it as a homicide.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
Yes. Did a patient come in that day and do something that we don't know about? Did they give Mary, you know, something to eat? Any obvious suspects?
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
At this point, basically, just because he was the husband. In these types of cases, it always seems to be the spouse is the one responsible if it's a poisoning case.
Dateline NBC
A Little Patch of Perfect
Could you smell any smoke in the air or anything? Nope. So he was collecting stuff for the fire? Yes. And that's what he explained to you? Yes. When you left, to your knowledge, what was your dad going to go do?
Dateline NBC
A Little Patch of Perfect
I'm going to ask you a couple questions. What time did you leave on July 3rd?
Dateline NBC
A Little Patch of Perfect
There's a firearm missing from the house. So we need a list of everything of a pistol caliber that anybody has ever seen.
Dateline NBC
A Little Patch of Perfect
You have not had a sexual relationship with anybody in four years. We're not going to find any evidence of it. When we test your bed sheets, we're not going to find any male DNA in any way, shape, or form. When we test your vehicle, and we swab the seats, and we swab the back seat.
Dateline NBC
A Little Patch of Perfect
Okay, so you're not using it. So when we look at the financial records, it hasn't been used in over four years. No. And it's going to come back to somebody that's deceased.
Dateline NBC
A Little Patch of Perfect
Have you ever had a physical relationship with anyone other than Gary since y'all been married? No.
Dateline NBC
A Little Patch of Perfect
Knowing that we're going to find in the history of y'all's marriage... I'm talking the whole entire thing. I'm not talking the last five years, ten years, or since it went rocky. I'm talking forever.
Dateline NBC
A Little Patch of Perfect
Okay, but in the last year. So was that physical relationship then in the last year?
Dateline NBC
A Little Patch of Perfect
And when we go get Rusty's DNA, where are we going to find it?
Dateline NBC
A Little Patch of Perfect
Here's the thing. If we don't do our job by pushing this, then that... I'm doing what you're supposed to do. No, hey, hey, hey. I'm not just doing what I'm supposed to do. I'm giving you an opportunity that I ain't got to give you.
Dateline NBC
A Little Patch of Perfect
Y'all are talking on the phone every single day. You wake up, Melody. Melody and coffee. You go to bed, Melody. She has talked to you beforehand and since then. No, sir. Don't let me find out.
Dateline NBC
A Little Patch of Perfect
So somebody is going to spend the rest of their damn life in prison for this. And whoever helped them, if they don't get on the front end of it, they're going to do the same damn thing. You follow me? That ain't speculation, brother. That's a fact.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
That's right. It's not a normal event unless he's having an affair with this lady. She's a mutual friend.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
We did not know that was something, sometimes you think you heard everything and something new comes up.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
Yeah, it was no big deal. We needed to find out as much as possible about their relationship. Was there a major jealousy going on?
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
All the suspects I've interviewed over the years, that's one of the first times I've seen that. He was just like, he's really psyching himself up that he wanted to have his emotions in control.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
If we found the correct shoe that would match that, that would be very huge.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
There was nothing that we could even come remotely close to charging him with the murder of his wife. Just because he was acting funny.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
It was later that morning. It was around 8, 9 o'clock that morning.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
Scott was still involved with her, and I'm not sure if Desiree knew that he was still involved with her.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
We asked her if Scott had told her to... give him an alibi or tell her what to tell the police or anything like that. And she said, no, he never talked to her other than he notified her that Desiree had been killed.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
If you know anything regarding this death and you're trying to make up a story or protect Scott, the truth is going to come out eventually. And the longer you hide things, you're not being honest with us and truthful with us, you could be charged.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
Yeah, we need to find out how deep a relationship they have. Do they see each other more than what she was telling us or what Scott was telling us?
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
Just a couple days after the funeral, he was talking to a young lady at a motorcycle dealership. He asked for a hug, which is kind of normal and, you know, need a little emotional support. Then he asked her out to dinner.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
Yeah. It just didn't seem to add up that he was really devastated by the death of Desiree.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
That's correct. Each individual handles different stress in their lives, handle it different. We did not know what would be normal for his reaction.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
That definitely would be a motive to get Desiree out of the picture.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
It makes us work harder to find out if there's any connection that would, did Paige commit this crime? Or did Scott have Paige do it for him? It was just more unanswered questions for the investigation.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
We had nothing in the house that matched any type of shoes that he had in the house.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
It showed that he was in the Tri-Cities area during those times. He was on the route that he would take. So nothing was suspicious.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
Oh, certainly. We wanted to find out the relationship that he had with Paige. Did he know anything about the relationship between Scott and Paige? Did he know anything about Desiree?
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
He was not being very honest with us. He was not being forthright about his relationship with his wife or his relationship with Paige.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
It was deteriorating. They weren't the friends that they started out to be, and that there was becoming a wedge in Scott and Desiree's relationship, that Desiree was becoming more jealous of Paige and just did not want her involved at their home.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
As far as we can tell, Desiree did not know that this affair was going on.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
It gave us an indication that maybe there was a motive, that they wanted Desiree out of their relationship, so Scott and Paige to move on with their life.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
Well, that gives us a new spark in our investigation. Now we have a name.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
It said that the person that killed Desiree Sunford was a Marty Grismer.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
No other details. It's just a name that had never come up in the investigation before.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
We brought H.G. Yakima. We sat down and, okay, you just can't drop this bomb on us. How do you know this? Tell us everything that you know about this Marty Grismer.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
No, I've never had a case like that before. It just didn't make sense.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
He made it look like a burglary. He took the board off the door and made it look like that's how the entry was.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
Locked the door, put the key back where it was hiding, and this all happened around 3, 3.30 that morning.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
Very emotional. She broke down and cried. She just couldn't believe that he would do such a thing.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
We didn't have any reason not to believe her at this point. She certainly brought Marty to the front of the investigation, and we needed to do as much research in investigating how he would be involved.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
We were wanting to believe her that this was the suspect that was involved. We were also wanting her to maybe get him to tell this story again.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
We had a team of undercover officers. We were hoping to actually hear what Marty had to say about it. in his own words.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
But it did not... go as we planned. Marty seemed to be looking around like he was being set up. Kind of like he was onto you. Maybe, maybe he caught a glimpse of somebody or Paige was hinky about how she was trying to ask him.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
We didn't get anything. He was acting suspiciously, but you can't take that into court.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
It was. We thought he would tell her everything again, but that just didn't happen.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
He wasn't going to get any type of relationship with Paige. So he married this other woman.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
We just told him that we're investigating the death of Desiree Sunford. He said, no problem. He got a shirt, got dressed, came down to the office. He didn't lawyer up.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
Okay, Marty, if you didn't do it, and Paige or Scott did it, you're covering it for them.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
Yeah. Marty was kind of a gun nut. He liked to buy guns and buy gun parts.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
The lab came back that the barrel that we found, that barrel... was used to kill Desiree.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
There's a vein in the side of his head that just was really protruding. He was under a great deal of stress during this interview. And you could tell by his eyes that he was just trying to think before he spoke. He was in hyper stress.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
His emotions were all over the page to a point where he was almost physically sick.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
When did you come to your conclusion that The detectives weren't buying it. It was his gun barrel, and they'd found it right where he left it.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
And that is what they did. He just couldn't believe that he was being charged with murder. But two other people remained on the detectives' radar, Scott and Paige.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
It was just that thought in the back of our head that still she's got to be involved and Scott's got to be involved. We still have nothing to tie them other than this relationship that they were all involved in.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
That's right. A name that had never come up before. She's trying to set me up saying that killed someone.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
It was just that thought in the back of our head that still she's got to be involved, but we still have nothing to tie them other than this relationship that they were all involved in.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
They were cleaning out a dumpster and they found the jewelry box. They found the laptop and the iPad.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
That's huge. Marty must have done the first burglary, too. And he didn't get rid of anything. He was not very bright to keep all this stuff involved in a burglary and a homicide.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
Certainly. It could have easily been used. That's why we offered the plea.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
It just was not the normal response for an individual thinking his wife was hurt or in danger.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Entanglement
Yes, he's well trained. He has served in combat. So he would be able to handle the situation in our opinion.
Dateline NBC
The Man of Many Faces
Nick's name came across my desk, just a regular compliance check.
Dateline NBC
The Man of Many Faces
Nick had a warrant for his arrest of technical violation on a domestic violence charge.
Dateline NBC
The Man of Many Faces
We went to his last known residence to ensure that he lived at that address, and we were going to arrest him on his outstanding warrant.
Dateline NBC
The Man of Many Faces
We put his picture and his warrant up on Rhode Island's Most Wanted.
Dateline NBC
The Man of Many Faces
Claimed he had moved out of the country and then proceeded to lecture me about how I didn't know the general laws in the state of Rhode Island and that by moving out of this country, he didn't have to notify of a change of address.
Dateline NBC
The Man of Many Faces
He had, in fact, left on an outbound flight out of an airport in New York to Ireland.
Dateline NBC
The Man of Many Faces
We made numerous attempts through Interpol, numerous countries for any proof of death. All were negative. Nothing came back.
Dateline NBC
The Man of Many Faces
It was not. We received numerous emails from the same email address that Nick had corresponded with me prior to his death from that same email address, but this time the signature was his widow.
Dateline NBC
The Man of Many Faces
The way that he wrote, the way that he spoke, the use of big words was 100% Nick. The only thing that was different was instead of Nicholas Alliverdian, it was Luis.
Dateline NBC
The Man of Many Faces
He does. He was a devil spawn. He really was. I learned that Nick was being sought by the FBI for fraud.
Dateline NBC
Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
That's exactly right. It is a lot of, I don't recall. I'm not sure. She's like, hmm.
Dateline NBC
Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
You know, it does leave him frustrated. But at the same time, I think he's trying to use that to show the jury that this woman is really trying to just confuse them and trying to play with the facts.
Dateline NBC
Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
Well, the judge is really exhorting Dana to kind of wrap it up. Because don't forget, the people on this jury, I mean, they've got their lives to get back to. And this is kind of dragging on.
Dateline NBC
Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
Well, you know, she's got a lot of the lingo down. She certainly has read into rules of evidence and procedure. But then she repeats things. She gets emotional at odd moments that you wouldn't expect someone to get emotional.
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Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
She interrupted her testimony at one point to say she was cold and she needed to get her jacket. So she... She basically sat the rest of the time on the stand in her winter coat, her puffer jacket. That I just never seen that before. I think she even uses a composite notebook that like the kind we had in school.
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Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
So there are some things that are kind of jarring and other things that go, OK, she's she's doing an OK job.
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Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
I think the clearest argument is that which can't be refuted. It's that they really do not have physical evidence tying her to these murders. They really don't even have any kind of direct evidence. No one says, hey, I saw her there. I saw her in Topeka, Kansas. on this date, at this time, around the time when these murders occurred.
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Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
Yes. What was that? There was two bodies there that were connected to you that you were known to dislike one of them and hate the other one.
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Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
Yeah, this is something fairly new that's come up, that she went to an AA meeting on the day that basically— The prosecution says she left Denver to go commit these murders. And she's saying, no, no, listen, this woman was in need of gas. I met her at an AA meeting. I didn't know who she was. She was in need. She didn't have any money. I went to go...
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Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
goodness of my heart, to get her five-gallon cans of fuel. I even brought them back. And then I went inside to my AA meeting. So where is this woman then? Can she call her to the stand? Well, here's the thing. We're talking about Alcoholics Anonymous. Anonymous.
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Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
Well, you'd have to ask the jury, but let me tell you, just sitting in that courtroom— It did sound damning. Everything he asked her, are you saying your daughter, are you saying your son, misspoke or lied when they said you did this back in the day? Yes, that's not true.
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Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
Yes, that's incorrect. So what's coming across is that everyone else is wrong or lying about her.
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Verdict in the roommate murder trial. Mom accused of murder by fire and van. And, actor Dennis Quaid.
Best of my recollection, my exact words were, I'm sorry to tell you that your roommate's deceased and she's been killed. I used the word she's been killed.
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Verdict in the roommate murder trial. Mom accused of murder by fire and van. And, actor Dennis Quaid.
She didn't. She was flat. Just no real reaction at all.
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Verdict in the roommate murder trial. Mom accused of murder by fire and van. And, actor Dennis Quaid.
It was unusual, and I remember thinking, what's going on here?
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Verdict in the roommate murder trial. Mom accused of murder by fire and van. And, actor Dennis Quaid.
She just kind of fixated on that. All of a sudden, she was animated. And she was animated about this listening device, and I thought, this is what excites you here? This is what you're concerned about?