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Verdict in the roommate murder trial. Mom accused of murder by fire and van. And, actor Dennis Quaid.
Thu, 27 Mar 2025
Listen to this week's episode of the Dateline: True Crime Weekly podcast with Andrea Canning. A verdict in the trial of a North Dakota woman accused of stabbing her roommate to death with a pocket knife nearly 20 years ago. In Michigan a retrial begins for a woman accused of setting her husband on fire and then running him over with her van. The latest in the Karen Read and Bryan Kohberger cases. Plus, actor Dennis Quaid talks about his experience playing the Happy Face serial killer. Find out more about the cases covered each week here: www.datelinetruecrimeweekly.com
Chapter 1: What are the latest updates in the North Dakota murder case?
Other stories we're watching this week. New details in the prosecution's case against Brian Koberger. The wife of a murdered California firefighter is arrested in Mexico. And it's not the first time she's been charged with murder. And the latest on Karen Reid's upcoming trial. Jury selection will start on Tuesday.
More than 200 jurors have been summoned.
Plus, we've got our first celebrity here on Dateline True Crime Weekly. Dateline fan and actor Dennis Quaid, he's got a new role as a serial killer.
He killed eight women in five years. And he would leave notes and sign them with happy face.
Chapter 2: Who is Anita Knutson and what happened to her?
But before all that, we're heading to the North Dakota prairie for the latest chapter in a murder that stumped investigators for decades, until a surprising arrest three years ago. On June 4th, 2007, Gordon Knutson was worried that he hadn't heard from his 18-year-old daughter, Anita.
She was a first-year college student and hadn't shown up for work or answered his calls, so he drove over to her apartment. What he found there would shake not just the Knutson family, but the community of Minot, North Dakota. Anita had been murdered, stabbed to death in her bed. Following the killing, police had no shortage of leads.
They interviewed more than 40 people and said there were several possible suspects. But the case went cold until almost 15 years later. Anita's roommate, Nicole Rice, was charged with her murder. She pleaded not guilty and her trial finally began last week.
Dateline producer Haley Barber is in Grand Forks, North Dakota, and joins us now to bring us up to speed on the case and take us inside the courtroom as the verdict was read. Haley, thank you for joining us.
Of course. Thank you so much for having me, Andrea.
So, Haley, to start, can you tell us a little bit about Anita Knutson? What have you learned about her?
So by all accounts, she is just this bubbly ball of energy. She's only 4'10". She's really tiny, but she just makes friends with everyone. And she's just a really sweet person to be around. She liked kids. She was studying elementary education.
Yeah, she wanted to be a kindergarten teacher, and her friends joked that that was the perfect job for her because only the kindergartners would be shorter than her.
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Chapter 3: How did new evidence lead to Nicole Rice's trial?
So sad that her life just was so abruptly ended in that way. Horrible. After Anita's father found her body, police came to the apartment. Was there anything out of place, any clues that might have given them an idea of who could have done this?
Yeah. Her purse was there. Her wallet was there. This didn't appear to be a robbery when police went in, but the window to her bedroom, the screen had been cut, and that definitely seemed a little bit mysterious.
So something really big the police found, they found what they believe was the murder weapon in the apartment? That's right.
Yeah. And it appeared to be a pocket, basically a pocket knife that you would kind of bend in half. And she had been stabbed twice. So whoever did this, you know, left this weapon behind. Were there any fingerprints on it? Any DNA? No fingerprints were recovered from the scene and limited DNA was recovered from the knife itself.
So as we know, Anita had a roommate, Nicole, the woman now on trial for her murder. When did police first talk to her?
Right away. They call her to the scene. They want her to look and see if anything is out of place.
At the trial last week, one of the detectives who responded to the crime scene talked about that.
Best of my recollection, my exact words were, I'm sorry to tell you that your roommate's deceased and she's been killed. I used the word she's been killed.
How did the defendant react to that?
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Chapter 4: What was the verdict in Nicole Rice's trial?
Haley, thank you so much for joining us to talk about this trial. Thank you, Andrea. Coming up, the Michigan mom accused of burning her husband before running him over with a van is heading to trial for the second time. She says investigators got it all wrong. On a cold and rainy January day in 2007, fire trucks raced to a house in Lawrence Township, Western Michigan.
The home was destroyed, and Todd Stermer, who'd run out of the building with the top half of his body in flames, died in the yard. Three years later, a jury convicted Todd's wife, Linda Stermer, of murdering him by first setting him on fire and then running him over with her van. Her mandatory sentence was life in prison without the possibility of parole. But in 2018, Linda was released.
A federal appeals court ruled Linda hadn't received a fair trial because of mistakes her defense attorney made. This week, almost 20 years after her husband's death, she is standing trial yet again. Dateline producer Sergey Ivonin was there as a jury was selected. Sergey, thank you for coming on the podcast.
Good morning, Andrea. Thanks for having me.
Set this up for us, Sergey, because I understand at the beginning of their relationship, Linda and Todd Sturmer seemed to have a great relationship, a lovely blended family.
By all accounts, the 80s and the 90s were a happy time for the couple. Linda had two daughters when they met, and by the time they married, Todd and she already had two sons also together. It seems finances became an issue for them. And according to their sons, there was some infidelity on Linda's part. Linda denied that, and all of her children said that Todd had a temper.
Linda's daughters especially say that Todd sometimes hit Linda and her oldest daughter when she was a teenager. Todd did have an arrest record for a misdemeanor assault and drug charges and a DUI. According to all of their children, Linda and Todd had a big blowout fight the night before the house was set on fire.
So... The allegations here are that Linda killed Todd by setting him on fire.
Well, there's that and more. The state said that she had doused Todd in gasoline and then started a fire in the living room. And then he ran outside on fire and she drove over him in her Ford van. She denies that and said she was in the basement doing laundry and he was yelling at her from the living room and then his yells turned into screams.
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Chapter 5: Why is Linda Stermer facing a retrial for murder?
So when she went upstairs, he was on fire and there was fire separating them. So she said she ran outside and to her van to get some help. Once she was there, she saw Todd run out of the house and she tried to get him to drop and roll and, you know, get the fire off of him or get in the van, but he just wouldn't do it.
And she said while she tried again to leave, the van got stuck in the mud because it had been raining and snowing. And that's when the next-door neighbors got to the house and found Todd lying on the ground and called 911.
So is Linda saying that she didn't hit him or that she accidentally hit him?
Linda says she has no understanding of how Todd got hit by her van. The state says it must have happened because they found Todd's blood on the bumper and the undercarriage on the vehicle. The neighbors say she was incoherent when, you know, they saw her on site.
So I'm assuming at her first trial, the state presented evidence that Linda started the fire, committed arson, you know, to be able to get that conviction.
The state's fire investigator said that the fire was intentionally set in the living room and Todd was at the center of it. Linda's lawyer at the time told her, according to both of them, that she didn't need to hire a fire investigator of her own because their argument was that it was Todd, not Linda, who committed an arson. and he had accidentally set himself on fire.
So how does that work? Are they trying to say that it was actually Todd trying to kill Linda?
Well, he had other properties that suspiciously caught on fire, and he was in debt on each of them.
Those fires were investigated as arson, but according to Todd's sister, someone else was eventually held responsible for them, right?
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Chapter 6: What are the key arguments in Linda Stermer's defense?
Last week, more than a dozen court filings were made public, giving us a glimpse of what the prosecution and defense might be planning in the run-up to his trial, including a selfie.
tell us about that veronica yeah so there were a couple of things that came out in recent filings one of those things was the selfie which shows brian coberger he has a little bit of a grin and he's giving a thumbs up to the camera it seems like the prosecution is hoping that this photograph will help support their bushy eyebrow evidence if you remember one of the surviving roommates says that she saw a man with bushy eyebrows leaving the residence
And if the prosecution is right, this photo was taken within hours of the murders.
Also in recent filings, Veronica, prosecutors talk about Koberger's alleged click activity on Amazon, what he was searching.
Essentially, there was a search warrant on Koberger's Amazon activity. Investigators say that he purchased a military brand knife on Amazon about eight months before the murders, which matches the knife sheath found next to one of the victims. We reported that development in our dateline back in 2023.
But what we hadn't heard before was that Koberger's online shopping activity revealed that he was shopping for another knife just days after the murders.
Some legal experts are calling Koberger's searches on Amazon a smoking gun, saying the evidence is catastrophic to the defense's case.
Yeah, so experts are saying that the Amazon click activity could prove premeditation, but his defense team is hoping to have his Amazon activity kept out of the trial, and the judge has yet to rule on their motion to exclude this evidence.
There's also been some back and forth over security footage from an apartment building near the crime scene.
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