Defense Attorney
Appearances
Dateline NBC
Endgame
Is it fair to say that you have a history and have admitted to being an habitual liar?
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The Watcher
Yes, I did think they were. This, though defense attorney Hogue had known and admired Lauren. I was her teacher in a transition course from law school into law practice.
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The Premonition
It was the first time. Talk about questionable. It doesn't sound like science to me. When Dateline continues.
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The Premonition
Talk about questionable science, junk science. The evidence was sent to the FBI, which is the premier lab for DNA testing. They found it to be 1 in 13,000. That is exceedingly low. And eventually, they send it to this new guy, Perlin. And Perlin says, I put it into my machine, and it comes out the other side, and it's 1 in 5 billion. 189 billion. OK.
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The Premonition
If you include Mars and Venus and everywhere, that's such a disparity that it doesn't sound like science to me.
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The Premonition
Right from the get-go, in the newspaper, they were pointing to Kevin Foley.
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The Premonition
He clearly heard someone yelling, I'll never loan you money again, and heard glass breaking. Of course, a window was shattered in this case. Kevin fully didn't owe Dr. Yelnik any money, so that certainly didn't fit in with Kevin.
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The Premonition
Kevin was someone you believed in, and I thought it was good that the jury got to meet him, so to speak.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
You were a mooch. No, I wasn't. And your father saw you as the exact same way, mooching off of him.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
The state has introduced a case to you, and it is so full of holes.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
From day one, everything was tailored specifically to attempt to convict Melody of the It was a highly circumstantial case. There was no direct evidence to tie Melody, you know, to shooting Gary. There was no gun found in the house. Melody had no accelerants on her hands. There was none of that directly tied back to Melody.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
You got to have Gary alive to make the money because it didn't necessarily come out at trial. They weren't really cash rich. If Gary wasn't working, then there is no money.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
The blood leading down the stairs, for instance. They never tested any of the drops on the stairs. You had two drops on the basement floor that the crime lab determined that was Gary Ferris' blood.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
The weekend before, Gary Ferris had been bit by the dog, and he was bleeding when he went down the stairs from his ankle. As for the bullet found in the basement... There is no blood found around the bullet, no impact mark from the bullet on the floor. It is literally like the bullet was dropped and placed on the floor.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
And the last person who was in the basement prior to law enforcement arriving was Scott.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
How could a 120-pound woman move a 300-pound man down to a burn pile roughly 50 yards below the house in the woods on a relatively treacherous terrain? There is one person that could have done that, and that would have been Scott Ferris.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
And your father saw you as the exact same way, and he kept a very tight rein over you and your mooching off of him.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
When it came to Scott, I think it was important to show that if his mother is framed with murder, then he always saw that estate as his.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
He would claim things as his that were not his. That's fair to say.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
when we first learned about the phone call with Rusty Barton. That was, you know, the biggest, most damning piece of evidence.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
So I need you to explain those words to that jury right there.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
But then you tried to explain later that, yes, she told you about that, but that was after Gary was already found, right?
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A Little Patch of Perfect
From his testimony, he was under duress and he had to, quote, give them something. He later recanted that statement and said that she told him he was on the burn pile much later after Gary's remains had already been found.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
You didn't have any missing guns that you couldn't account for, right? No, sir.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
That was what she was most concerned about, that she couldn't show her face in town anymore. So she felt like she needed to say something.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
Who else has keys other than, I assume, the cleaning lady? Does she have a key? Oh, she may have a key. So Melody's got a key. Cleaning lady may have a key. Well, you're rusty. Rusty's got a key. Uh-huh. So at least five people.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
Well, that was my idea. I was constantly trying to think of what could I use for that demonstration. I think it starts to become clear why I'm doing this. Why am I dropping these bags? These bags are 40 pounds a piece. When I would drop one of the bags, you could feel the floor shake. And I wanted that to happen because I wanted the jury specifically to know how heavy this was.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
The whole trial, we were noting that he was 300 pounds. She was 120 pounds. It was impossible that she could have moved him. But there was a person on the property who could. And that's Scott Ferris.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
Yeah, it's very different reading essentially a self-prepared speech than it is being under cross-examination.
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A mom's desperate search to find her daughter. Tears and fury in an Ohio courtroom. And the latest in the Karen Read case.
What was your reaction when you found those?
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A mom's desperate search to find her daughter. Tears and fury in an Ohio courtroom. And the latest in the Karen Read case.
It's normal for you to break into other people's apartments.
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A mom's desperate search to find her daughter. Tears and fury in an Ohio courtroom. And the latest in the Karen Read case.
And it's not normal for you to conduct a search like this?
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A mom's desperate search to find her daughter. Tears and fury in an Ohio courtroom. And the latest in the Karen Read case.
How did you know to go to the apartment two times?
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An accused killer's surprising defense. A pharmacist on trial for poisoning. And a medical examiner's strategy for cracking cold cases.
In the early morning hours of November 23rd, 2022, Jason Chen killed Jasmine Pace.
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An accused killer's surprising defense. A pharmacist on trial for poisoning. And a medical examiner's strategy for cracking cold cases.
Jason Chen is a first-generation Chinese-American. His parents ordered a Chinese restaurant.
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An accused killer's surprising defense. A pharmacist on trial for poisoning. And a medical examiner's strategy for cracking cold cases.
Jason decides that he has to cover this up. He has to hide what he's done.
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An accused killer's surprising defense. A pharmacist on trial for poisoning. And a medical examiner's strategy for cracking cold cases.
You said you would do anything to find your daughter? Wouldn't you? Of course. Okay. To find my daughter?
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An accused killer's surprising defense. A pharmacist on trial for poisoning. And a medical examiner's strategy for cracking cold cases.
Why are you doing this?
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An accused killer's surprising defense. A pharmacist on trial for poisoning. And a medical examiner's strategy for cracking cold cases.
It did not have relevancy in terms of the arrest investigation.
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An accused killer's surprising defense. A pharmacist on trial for poisoning. And a medical examiner's strategy for cracking cold cases.
He was involved in the Ponzi scheme. He knew about multimillion-dollar purchases, the toys, the houses, trips to Paris, trips to Hawaii, expensive, lavish lifestyle. And you have to ask yourself at the end of the case, she didn't know about it? Really?