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Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 40 | This Family Vlogger Is Disgusting... | Ruby Franke Update
Ruby realizes that she still has work to do in shedding those thinking errors and to reestablish a better and correct pattern of thinking and behavior. Ruby realizes that changing her thinking Re-establishing relationships and healing are not simple or easy tasks. However, she is committed to doing that work.
Crime, Conspiracy, Cults and Murder
Ep. 40 | This Family Vlogger Is Disgusting... | Ruby Franke Update
I would like the court to know that Ruby Franke is a delightful, respectful, and responsible person. She is open to feedback and addressing the consequences of her actions head on, and now ready to address your honor and accept your judgment.
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Silent Witness
So between the time you smoked the cigar and went back upstairs and went to sleep, did you leave that room until the next morning?
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Silent Witness
And I realized I didn't bring those papers. Why was it important to you that somebody get those papers?
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Silent Witness
Did you have any designs in your own mind of... Leaving Michelle Young for Michelle Money? No, sir. Describe why not.
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Silent Witness
This is the complaint that was filed in December seeking custody of Cassidy.
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Endgame
Is it fair to say that you have a history and have admitted to being an habitual liar?
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The Watcher
Yes, I did think they were. This, though defense attorney Hogue had known and admired Lauren. I was her teacher in a transition course from law school into law practice.
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The Premonition
It was the first time. Talk about questionable. It doesn't sound like science to me. When Dateline continues.
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The Premonition
Talk about questionable science, junk science. The evidence was sent to the FBI, which is the premier lab for DNA testing. They found it to be 1 in 13,000. That is exceedingly low. And eventually, they send it to this new guy, Perlin. And Perlin says, I put it into my machine, and it comes out the other side, and it's 1 in 5 billion. 189 billion. OK.
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The Premonition
If you include Mars and Venus and everywhere, that's such a disparity that it doesn't sound like science to me.
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The Premonition
Right from the get-go, in the newspaper, they were pointing to Kevin Foley.
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The Premonition
He clearly heard someone yelling, I'll never loan you money again, and heard glass breaking. Of course, a window was shattered in this case. Kevin fully didn't owe Dr. Yelnik any money, so that certainly didn't fit in with Kevin.
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The Premonition
Kevin was someone you believed in, and I thought it was good that the jury got to meet him, so to speak.
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A Walk Through the Woods
I felt like that I need to be here and I need to help. Excuse me, that's what I do.
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A Walk Through the Woods
If we're going to come up with a defense, we're not going to pull Odinism out of the air. That's fantastical, right? I mean, this was driven by the evidence that was given to us.
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A Walk Through the Woods
There was nothing to gain by leaking those documents. I mean, there's just, there's no plausible gain.
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A Walk Through the Woods
Well, it felt, you know, from a defense perspective, it felt like a stacked deck.
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A Walk Through the Woods
Richard Allen has the right to present these alternative theories if they have some basis.
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A Walk Through the Woods
None of the people on the trail gave a description that matched Richard Allen.
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A Walk Through the Woods
He didn't have to do that. I don't know how somebody's supposed to react when the law enforcement gets on the TV saying, we need help. The easiest thing for him to do would have been to say nothing and leave Delphi. He did the exact opposite, which was he cooperated.
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A Walk Through the Woods
Five and a half years passed. Who, anyone here, anyone listening, who can tell you what they were doing to a specificity five and a half years ago?
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A Walk Through the Woods
None of the people on the trail gave a description that matched Richard Allen. Even the witnesses on the trail couldn't agree on what Bridge Guy was wearing. And, you know, it was jeans and a Carhartt-type coat. You're in a rural county in Indiana, probably half the men in that county have those clothes.
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A Walk Through the Woods
I was fairly well-versed in the ballistics arena. It's not what we would call or what a layperson would call science.
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A Walk Through the Woods
There's no dispute that... the round, the magic bullet that was found allegedly at the scene, was cycled and not fired. But when they conducted the examination, the test-fired rounds that they actually compared to our client's firearm were fired rounds. They were not test-cycled rounds. And so the simple way of describing that is they were comparing apples and oranges.
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A Walk Through the Woods
Those conversations, he would later go on to say, I think I killed them. Maybe I killed them.
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A Walk Through the Woods
The three of us here have been in this business a long time. We've all represented some of the worst humans on this planet. And none of us have ever seen somebody detained on a pretrial basis in the most secure unit in the state of Indiana.
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A Walk Through the Woods
That made him lose touch with reality, they said. When you're stuck in those circumstances, when you have no outside stimuli, you're stuck in a gray steel box day in, day out, lights on day in, day out. And you're trying to figure out why you might be held in this condition. It's not unrealistic that that's where you go. That's where your brain goes.
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A Walk Through the Woods
It's psychological warfare on a man who's a pretrial detainee.
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A Walk Through the Woods
It's textbook for an environment where somebody would spew some kind of false confession, where basically a man says, I give, I've had enough.
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A Walk Through the Woods
At the time that these statements are being made, it's hard to believe that you could give a lot of credibility to anything he was saying.
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A Walk Through the Woods
The ballistics and the magic bullet, it's just, this stuff is totally unreliable.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
You were a mooch. No, I wasn't. And your father saw you as the exact same way, mooching off of him.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
The state has introduced a case to you, and it is so full of holes.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
From day one, everything was tailored specifically to attempt to convict Melody of the It was a highly circumstantial case. There was no direct evidence to tie Melody, you know, to shooting Gary. There was no gun found in the house. Melody had no accelerants on her hands. There was none of that directly tied back to Melody.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
You got to have Gary alive to make the money because it didn't necessarily come out at trial. They weren't really cash rich. If Gary wasn't working, then there is no money.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
The blood leading down the stairs, for instance. They never tested any of the drops on the stairs. You had two drops on the basement floor that the crime lab determined that was Gary Ferris' blood.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
The weekend before, Gary Ferris had been bit by the dog, and he was bleeding when he went down the stairs from his ankle. As for the bullet found in the basement... There is no blood found around the bullet, no impact mark from the bullet on the floor. It is literally like the bullet was dropped and placed on the floor.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
And the last person who was in the basement prior to law enforcement arriving was Scott.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
How could a 120-pound woman move a 300-pound man down to a burn pile roughly 50 yards below the house in the woods on a relatively treacherous terrain? There is one person that could have done that, and that would have been Scott Ferris.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
And your father saw you as the exact same way, and he kept a very tight rein over you and your mooching off of him.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
When it came to Scott, I think it was important to show that if his mother is framed with murder, then he always saw that estate as his.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
He would claim things as his that were not his. That's fair to say.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
when we first learned about the phone call with Rusty Barton. That was, you know, the biggest, most damning piece of evidence.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
So I need you to explain those words to that jury right there.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
But then you tried to explain later that, yes, she told you about that, but that was after Gary was already found, right?
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A Little Patch of Perfect
From his testimony, he was under duress and he had to, quote, give them something. He later recanted that statement and said that she told him he was on the burn pile much later after Gary's remains had already been found.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
You didn't have any missing guns that you couldn't account for, right? No, sir.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
That was what she was most concerned about, that she couldn't show her face in town anymore. So she felt like she needed to say something.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
Who else has keys other than, I assume, the cleaning lady? Does she have a key? Oh, she may have a key. So Melody's got a key. Cleaning lady may have a key. Well, you're rusty. Rusty's got a key. Uh-huh. So at least five people.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
Well, that was my idea. I was constantly trying to think of what could I use for that demonstration. I think it starts to become clear why I'm doing this. Why am I dropping these bags? These bags are 40 pounds a piece. When I would drop one of the bags, you could feel the floor shake. And I wanted that to happen because I wanted the jury specifically to know how heavy this was.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
The whole trial, we were noting that he was 300 pounds. She was 120 pounds. It was impossible that she could have moved him. But there was a person on the property who could. And that's Scott Ferris.
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A Little Patch of Perfect
Yeah, it's very different reading essentially a self-prepared speech than it is being under cross-examination.
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Return to the Lake
I hope that Susan will be able to live with herself in prison for the rest of her life knowing that.
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Return to the Lake
It doesn't take away from the horrendous nature of the crime. She knows that she's guilty. She struggles with the guilt every day.
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Return to the Lake
I think that her motivation of being released is secondary. to the primary goal of if she can maybe help some other mother who is thinking of maybe the same things.
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A mom's desperate search to find her daughter. Tears and fury in an Ohio courtroom. And the latest in the Karen Read case.
What was your reaction when you found those?
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A mom's desperate search to find her daughter. Tears and fury in an Ohio courtroom. And the latest in the Karen Read case.
It's normal for you to break into other people's apartments.
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A mom's desperate search to find her daughter. Tears and fury in an Ohio courtroom. And the latest in the Karen Read case.
And it's not normal for you to conduct a search like this?
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A mom's desperate search to find her daughter. Tears and fury in an Ohio courtroom. And the latest in the Karen Read case.
How did you know to go to the apartment two times?
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Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
Do you recall telling her at the end of the day, all you care about is seeing my girls? Remember that?
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Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
And things have to happen, but I mean, do I need to testify? What do you need? What can you do for me? What do you need from me so I can go see my girls? That's all that matters to me. Did you say that to her?
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Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
And was that the truth?
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Emotional testimony from a killer. A murder defendant's unusual defense. And travel scam safety tips.
And the truth is, now that you have testified to what they need, you're going to go home and see your girls long before you would have had you been found guilty of this murder.
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The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.
Everyone in America is watching.
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The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.
Robert Baker decided that he was going to kill her husband. no reason that Monica would have wanted, no motive and no interest, and that it was Robert Baker who made that choice for her.
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The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.
And during that period of time, Robert Baker, who you had every reason to believe was a cold-blooded killer, was left on the street, correct?
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The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.
The focus was on Monica Cimentilli at that time.
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The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.
Against Monica Cimentilli.
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The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.
There was one that was shot dead and the other had three bullets.
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Verdict in the roommate murder trial. Mom accused of murder by fire and van. And, actor Dennis Quaid.
There was other work that was done in this case that showed other suspects that were much more culpable than Nicole.
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Verdict in the roommate murder trial. Mom accused of murder by fire and van. And, actor Dennis Quaid.
It was pressure from a TV show. a nationally syndicated program that came in, didn't dig up anything of substance, but put an incredible amount of pressure on the state's attorney's office, the police department, to bring charges in this case.
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
Did she have anything to do with the planning or the execution of the plan to kill Fabio Cimentilli?
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
You're sure?
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
Now, is this something you had done before?
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
How'd you get into league racquetball league?
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
Okay. Well, did it. I will comment on that.
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
And how did you determine when you would see her?
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
So did she talk to you about ever tell you that she would divorce her husband for you?
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
And eventually, did that become one of the reasons why you decided to murder him?
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
Then what?
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
Now, you are a convicted murderer, correct?
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
And you committed a heinous crime.
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
But are you telling the truth about what happened?
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An accused killer's surprising defense. A pharmacist on trial for poisoning. And a medical examiner's strategy for cracking cold cases.
In the early morning hours of November 23rd, 2022, Jason Chen killed Jasmine Pace.
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An accused killer's surprising defense. A pharmacist on trial for poisoning. And a medical examiner's strategy for cracking cold cases.
Jason Chen is a first-generation Chinese-American. His parents ordered a Chinese restaurant.
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An accused killer's surprising defense. A pharmacist on trial for poisoning. And a medical examiner's strategy for cracking cold cases.
Jason decides that he has to cover this up. He has to hide what he's done.
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An accused killer's surprising defense. A pharmacist on trial for poisoning. And a medical examiner's strategy for cracking cold cases.
You said you would do anything to find your daughter? Wouldn't you? Of course. Okay. To find my daughter?
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An accused killer's surprising defense. A pharmacist on trial for poisoning. And a medical examiner's strategy for cracking cold cases.
Why are you doing this?
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An accused killer's surprising defense. A pharmacist on trial for poisoning. And a medical examiner's strategy for cracking cold cases.
It did not have relevancy in terms of the arrest investigation.
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An accused killer's surprising defense. A pharmacist on trial for poisoning. And a medical examiner's strategy for cracking cold cases.
He was involved in the Ponzi scheme. He knew about multimillion-dollar purchases, the toys, the houses, trips to Paris, trips to Hawaii, expensive, lavish lifestyle. And you have to ask yourself at the end of the case, she didn't know about it? Really?
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The Prison Priest | Chapter 4
So Frank Pauline was obviously lying. But Frank Pauline will testify, Detective Guillermo pressed him. Oh, come on, you must have done something. You went and whacked the girl off? And finally, Frank Pauline says, well, what do you want me to say? Is that what you want me to say? Okay, I hit her. But the sperm DNA did not match Frank Pauline Jr.
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The Prison Priest | Chapter 4
's known DNA because he provided a sample, did not match Sean Schweitzer's known DNA profile, and did not match in Schweitzer's known DNA profile. They were all excluded.
True Crime with Kendall Rae
Insulin Poisoning Ponzi Scheme Cover-Up?! The Case of Michael & Natalie Cochran
By the prosecution's account, and perhaps by some other accounts, Natalie Cochran is not a nice person. She defrauded friends, relatives, investors. She was involved in a Ponzi scheme. But ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the fact that she is perhaps a fraud and perhaps a cheat,
True Crime with Kendall Rae
Insulin Poisoning Ponzi Scheme Cover-Up?! The Case of Michael & Natalie Cochran
and that you wouldn't perhaps want to invite her home for a Sunday dinner, that you wouldn't like her, does not translate into being a murderer. And I will submit to you that the state's motive in this case, as they presented to you, is absolute nonsense. The state of West Virginia is trying to tell you
True Crime with Kendall Rae
Insulin Poisoning Ponzi Scheme Cover-Up?! The Case of Michael & Natalie Cochran
Natalie Cochran, who has lived with the man who was up to his eyeballs in the policy scheme, somehow detected that he was on her. He was already detecting that she was committing a major fraud, and he was going to run straight to the federal government. But what comes to mind immediately is that bottle of insulin.
True Crime with Kendall Rae
Insulin Poisoning Ponzi Scheme Cover-Up?! The Case of Michael & Natalie Cochran
And I will submit to you that this is a smokescreen that the state is going to present to you. You will hear medical evidence that Mr. Cochran was not a healthy 38-year-old man. In fact, to the contrary, between the late 2017 At the time of his death in 2019, he was in the hospital four times. For what? For life-threatening conditions. He was a ticking bomb, the evidence will show, health-wise.
True Crime with Kendall Rae
Insulin Poisoning Ponzi Scheme Cover-Up?! The Case of Michael & Natalie Cochran
What's more, you will hear the evidence that Mr. Cochran fancied himself to be a bodybuilder. He wanted to be the Arnold Schwarzenegger, Mr. Universe. And what did he do in that regard? Mr. Cochrane has imported, let's call it medication, from Mexico, online, from sources that were not approved by any FDA or any legitimate American government sources.
True Crime with Kendall Rae
Insulin Poisoning Ponzi Scheme Cover-Up?! The Case of Michael & Natalie Cochran
And he was taking medication, steroids, that were not for human consumption. that there was some animal medication taken only by the animals. He was pumping himself with steroids and whatever other medication there was that he could get from less than legitimate sources. And you have to consider that in arriving at your verdict. The insulin that my client had had in her possession,
True Crime with Kendall Rae
Insulin Poisoning Ponzi Scheme Cover-Up?! The Case of Michael & Natalie Cochran
was the insulin that Mr. and Mrs. Davis gave her repeatedly. Why? Because they had a diabetic son.
True Crime with Kendall Rae
Insulin Poisoning Ponzi Scheme Cover-Up?! The Case of Michael & Natalie Cochran
On November the 2nd, He went to the hospital with the same or extremely similar conditions that you found him in in February of 2019.
True Crime with Kendall Rae
Insulin Poisoning Ponzi Scheme Cover-Up?! The Case of Michael & Natalie Cochran
No, he did not.