All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DeepSeek Panic, US vs China, OpenAI $40B?, and Doge Delivers with Travis Kalanick and David Sacks
Fri, 31 Jan 2025
(0:00) The Besties intro Travis Kalanick! (2:11) Travis breaks down the future of food and the state of CloudKitchens (13:34) Sacks breaks in! (15:38) DeepSeek panic: What's real, training innovation, China, impact on markets and the AI industry (50:14) US vs China in AI, the Singapore backdoor (1:01:51) OpenAI reportedly in talks to raise ~$40B with Masa as the lead investor (1:10:37) DOGE's first 10 days (1:25:13) Future of Self Driving: Uber, Waymo, Tesla (1:38:04) Fed holds rates steady, how DOGE can impact rate cuts (1:44:17) Fatal DC plane crash Follow Travis: https://x.com/travisk Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1/blob/main/DeepSeek_R1.pdf https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/chinese-company-trained-gpt-4-rival-with-just-2-000-gpus-01-ai-spent-usd3m-compared-to-openais-usd80m-to-usd100m https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/27/nvidia-sheds-almost-600-billion-in-market-cap-biggest-drop-ever.html https://x.com/shrihacker/status/1884414667503853749 https://x.com/balajis/status/1884975064283812270 https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-transcripts/2025/01/29/meta-platforms-meta-q4-2024 earnings-call-transcri https://x.com/mrexits/status/1885017400308806121 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-sp500-nasdaq-live-01-28-2025/card/deepseek-s-ai-learned-from-chatgpt-trump-s-ai-czar-says-LoCYvz2Lm0riS0AuEoB5 https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/why-distillation-has-become-the-scariest-wordfor-ai-companies-aa146ae3 https://techcrunch.com/2024/12/27/why-deepseeks-new-ai-model-thinks-its-chatgpt https://x.com/rauchg/status/1875627666113740892 https://www.ft.com/content/a0dfedd1-5255-4fa9-8ccc-1fe01de87ea6 https://x.com/satyanadella/status/1883753899255046301 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox https://x.com/pitdesi/status/1883192498274873513 https://x.com/rihardjarc/status/1884263865703358726 https://x.com/austen/status/1884444298130674000 https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/30/openai-in-talks-to-raise-up-to-40-billion-at-340-billion-valuation.html https://x.com/america/status/1884372526144598056 https://x.com/DOGE/status/1884396041786524032 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSD https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/establishing-and-implementing-the-presidents-department-of-government-efficiency https://x.com/Jason/status/1884671945800573018 https://abcnews.go.com/538/trump-starts-term-weak-approval-rating/story?id=118146633 https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/15/cpi-inflation-december-2024-.html https://x.com/chamath/status/1885068981905875241
Full Episode
All right, everybody, welcome back to the All In podcast. We've got an incredible crew today. Don't forget to go to our YouTube, blah, blah, blah, subscribe. And make sure you check out Freeberg's surprise drop with his hero, Ray Dalio, live on all platforms today. How did that come about? Freeberg, a little surprise drop.
Just great. I was talking with Ray about his new book, Which he just published on how countries go broke, obviously.
Which country is going broke now, Fieber? America?
Well, I think he talks a lot about the historical context of what's gone on with the debt cycles in different countries. And... Basically, at the end of the book, he has a pretty, I think, important recommendation to try and get the U.S. to roughly 3% of GDP as our net deficit, net of all expense, including interest expense. So that's the recommendation to the administration.
I think it's pretty timely with the change in administration. Anyway, great topics to talk through and really important book.
Awesome. Well done. And we are super delighted to have in the red throne, Travis Cowan. He is the co-founder and CEO of Cloud Kitchens. He also worked in the cab business for a little bit, co-founder and former CEO of Uber. And, yeah, we had a great interview at the All In Summit last year, and he's back up from his media hiatus. He's been in the lab working on Cloud Kitchens.
How are you doing, brother?
I'm doing really well. I got to say, just like at the Summit, Jason, it's an honor to be in the presence of... Such a prominent Uber investor.
Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, finally, somebody has recognized my contribution. The greatness of J. Cal.
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