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What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
If Arsenal wins. You see it. It's a thing.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
This is what I need. Tressie, you came here to be on my side. No, I'm not on your side.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Because I think the Democrats have now been able to occupy this position of being more progressive on race. And I have not met more racist people than the liberal... The liberal white people in New York who won't even send their kids to public school. Yeah. Like just the and the really subtle psychological warfare reminds me of the racism in England. You know, it's like so.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
It's a prophetic story. That's an interesting reading. You think a man could have tricked Eve into eating the apple? Do you think? Okay, let me ask you the question. I don't even want to go down there. No, no, no.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
I think he got her to eat the apple and he lied about it. And now we read the book.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
I'm with the lying thesis. I like the lying thesis.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
No, I'm going to say something sexist about women. Let's not do this.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Women have to. Women have to.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
I know a lot of women who are all about the male gaze. And if a man told them to eat an apple and God told them not to, they would do it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
I'll agree with that. But I wanted to say something about this app experiment that the women did. I don't think that would happen in 2025 because I'm noticing a lot of women getting conservative. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm seeing it all over my TikTok, my Instagram. Same. I think we're on similar TikToks.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Like the thing about skinniness, how we should dress, about being feminine, being kind of conservative.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
I'm seeing women who were like, a few years ago, I considered pretty progressive, becoming more about like, oh, I want only biological women. What is that about, Tressie?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
You know it when you see it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
You will know when you see it. Also with black women, the natural hair movement, I think, is pretty much like.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Is that for black women? All women. All women.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
okay so this is what I think about I don't think men are safe like the way I was maybe and maybe it's just like the way I was raised was like have your own money like wait you mean help me you mean like men are dangerous or you mean men are not safe I mean men are dangerous but that's just but they're not a safe backup plan a man is not a financial plan okay go go go your grandmother was like my grandmother yeah my mom was always like we spent too much on your education for you to become a stay at home mother and then my dad's like don't you her choice but there's this argument I'm like
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
My mom's like, we invested in these girls. That's right. And part of that is a fear of what a man will do to you if he dies or if he leaves you. So you always need to have your own means. And my mom was like, even if you're just selling cakes and you're at home with your kids, have your little pocket money.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
But now I'm seeing a lot of women, and my circle is a lot of women of color who are like, I want to be a stay-at-home girlfriend, stay-at-home wife. I want a soft life.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
People are like, I'll even settle the house.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Do you know what she put up with for the bag to be procurable? But it's become a meme. There's a meme now like, oh, I wish we could go back and tell those women why to... Women and say like, what were you thinking? Why would you fight for us to have the right to work? I hate work.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
So the car is there. The car's there.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Guys, he says it's all computer. So he's never been in a Tesla.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Oh, and can I say something? For some reason, every American city I've lived in, I've been there at a crucial, catastrophic event. So I was in New York during COVID. I was in Austin, Texas when the first snowstorm happened that collapsed a grid. So we had no power and had this one-year-old child and it was freezing cold. And no help came, right? People even died in that.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
And, you know, there was people that used their fireplaces. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I also was in L.A. during the fires.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
No, no, I'm the problem. It's me. But, like, L.A. during the fires, and it's like you're using this app, actually, which is telling you where all the fires are and how contained they are, et cetera, et cetera. And that's when you kind of realize that you're like... Oh, this is teetering on the edge, especially in Texas. Yes.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
When it was like, oh, this is a grid that's not connected to any other grid. This is a state with no income tax, only has property taxes. So it's not like there's like voluminous income to like help people.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Yeah. And you're like, I think that's already what happened in North Carolina. This stuff is already happening. We're having these events that are showing you if America gets into like a real disaster. That's right. It's going to fall apart very quickly. And like the L.A. fires was the moment I was like, oh, there wasn't enough water.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
But this guy could get a private fire service to protect his malls.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
And I guarantee he's going to be mayor. I think he's going to run again for mayor. And people are like, oh, he needs to be our mayor. Because look, he kept his malls. He solved the problem.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Oh, in a convenience store. I don't remember. Was that on the campaign trail?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
I'd be like, let me get you assessed. Let's find out what's going on here.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Yeah. My quote from him is when he said, people are dying who have never died before.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
A lot of politicians, if they're accusing like the Pelosi or the Clinton class, really don't know what ordinary people are feeling, right? And for some reason, he's able to be tuned in on the culture wars in ways that like surprised me.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Well, Kanye, I think he has a brain injury. He kind of went through a car. Right? He had that. He's got traumatic brain injury.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
To me, it's like, you know those athletes with CTE? Yes. Who like kill their wives.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
He's got traumatic brain injury and bipolar and a billion dollars. Put those three things together.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Yeah, I'm just like, yeah, I think he's got TBI.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
I'm like, the world's just too complicated for that. That's true. I think the thing I am still fascinated by is the Trump voter. Oh, yeah. I'm curious about the psychology of the, and I know a bunch of Trump voters. Why are you hanging it out? Because people tell me their truth. That's why.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Because I think that when he first came to power, the liberal media establishment spent a long time being like, oh, it's because of their economically disempowered and then the data show that they weren't economically disempowered. It said they are afraid of being in these diverse neighborhoods with lots of immigrants.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
And it kind of showed that, well, that's not the neighborhoods they were living in. We've never been able to understand these people. And instead of them diminishing, it seems like there's more of them and there's more consensus. And I think there's lots of simple explanations to why they do what they do. But he understands that.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Right? So I want to understand the people he understands. Yeah. Because he understands his voter more than anybody else in the world.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
He said, I can say they're eating cats and dogs and my people are not going to care. And he knows where the kind of like, what was it, the third rail is. Like, Trump knows where not to go. Right? Yes. In ways that...
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Right. He knew saying black jobs would resonate with the foundational black Americans on Twitter.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
And they were like, yeah, we know what he's talking about. Yeah. So he understands them, but many other people don't understand them, especially the Democrats, the people saving democracy and trying to stave off fascism.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Well, they claim to be doing.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
But that's not what I'm talking about.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
But I think it's the way he's able to intuit what people's problems are. Being a man with no problems.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
No, I actually come from that world. A huge extended family, a huge church family. My husband's an only child, but comes from a big extended family and loads of friends. So my conception of, as much as I had the depth of my clan and my ethnic group, When it was time to dedicate my kids, I flew back to London. So it happened in the home church where I was dedicated in.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
The man that christened me christened my children. Do you know what I mean? I guess what I'm trying to articulate is that for a lot of people, maybe from similar backgrounds as mine, that's our conceit already. The fact that it's not foreign. Do you get where I'm going? Yeah, I hear what you're saying. It's like this extended group and clan. It's very different and it's very diverse.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
Yeah, a couple of times, but I'm from England. Yeah, that's true. So more of a football team culture. No, no, no.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
Listen to the podcast on the way to meet your friends. Yes, exactly. Yes, that's why we love podcasts.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
Robert, I'm really curious about what you think. I'm a millennial and I have younger cousins who are Gen Z and we spend a lot of our time on the internet. I met my spouse through Twitter, as crazy as that sounds. So this is a world where people meet their spouses, whether it's Tinder or Instagram. And then Gen Z, they spend probably a disproportionate amount of their time online.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
And for some people, and I think in my generation and younger, that's where they found their connections. Would you think that's a problem or do you think that can be an alternative third space that maybe can foster that sense of trust?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
I'm a complicated person, Robert. I'm sorry.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
Oh, we get Bob now. We get Bob, okay. Wow, okay. I was going to say Professor Putnam. Oh, please. Yes.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
Let's not talk about me. No, we must talk about you. I'm an addict. But Bob, it's so funny. You mentioned the neighborhood group and the rake. So recently I joined my neighborhood WhatsApp group. And it's very nimby. I thought it was very nimbyish, but there was just like legit concerns about crime in the neighborhood and the LAPD getting out when they would come out.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
And, you know, sometimes people be like, there's someone walking in the neighborhood. This is their description. They're a bit suspicious. And there was one day it got a bit loaded because it was just like, there's a black guy, he's in a hoodie or something like that, you know, very fit the description.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
And it was somebody else in the group who's white said, hey, let's be careful we're not profiled. Like, it was so refreshing for me. No, because I live in a majority white neighborhood. And I'm like, I don't want to be the black person in the group being like, you shouldn't say that. And there's a white guy said, hey, guys, we should be careful. And... people figured it out amongst themselves.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
Because it's also the same neighborhood group that when there is something suspicious happening, when there is a break-in and LAPD don't get there, there's the same people in the group that may say something offhand about a description that will show up to your house And make sure you're OK. And there's something about that group that's completely transformed.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
Like, I would be sensitive, typically, if I read about a description. But everyone has this trust among each other to say, even if we say the wrong thing, we don't mean it in the wrong way. We want to keep our neighbourhood safe. And fundamentally, we all trust each other and look out for each other. And sometimes it's like, I need flour. Does anyone have flour?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
You know, and this is something I've never been exposed to, but it's happening through WhatsApp. But I'd say the critical thing is we have a great leader. I don't want to say her name because she probably doesn't want people to know.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
She messaged me and she said, she was like, she told me her history and she was like, I want to meet your husband and your kids. So we're trying to figure it out. And she's the person that goes around and she organizes neighborhood walks. But it's completely changed how I perceive not just people in my neighborhood, but how I even see how others see profiling. But it's the neighborhood.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
There's something to the neighborhood group is what I'm trying to say, Bob.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
Or music lesson. People learn instruments.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
I don't remember that particular one. You don't remember that moment?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
So Trevor, my question is this, like you've hit on something with this Trump thing. How do we guarantee in this crazy world we live in that people don't start clubs of hate? Which I think what Trump it as much.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
You know what I mean? It's just like, cause that, that's then my concern.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
It's a local club membership. They took care of each other.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
Yeah. It's just like, how do we, in this very polarized moment where all sides seem to have deep resentment for each other, how do we make sure these clubs don't become spaces?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
He was going to Iowa. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
Yeah, to follow up on that, because a lot has been said about... black male increasing vote for Republican. They actually split the vote and they look at the black male vote specifically and the black men most likely to vote for Trump were non-college educated and unchurched. Exactly. Unchurched as well. That was the key. They were secular up to a high school diploma.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
Black, young Black men. That's the group most likely to vote for Trump. The Black men that voted Democrat are college educated, 10 to 10 church professionals. And they vote at similar levels for Democrats as Black women do in general. So that group that's actually splitting off from the Democratic Party is like the most oppressed class among Black people.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
I was asking for my homework, the to-dos.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
And then when you speak to them, talk to them about the spiritual awakening.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
It's simple, but it's hard. Yeah, no, but that's what I mean.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
Also, off that, I'm curious about the we, because my world is predominantly women and people of color. And our complaint is that we can't get rid of people like, you know, like you've started off with like kind of this collective we, which I'd like to disrupt a bit. Right. Because there is no real collective. We hence this kind of political the political differences that we have.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
And black women in this country are probably one of the few groups where life expectancy is actually holding or going up. Right. And one of the reason they say that and one of the reasons black women don't. vote the way they do and behave the way they do is because they have this deep sense of community among each other.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
So I'd say speaking for Black women statistically, these aren't Black women's problems. And that's often because we are the carers. We are the people that are looking after children, elderly family members. They're looking to us. So I don't know many isolated Black women in the way that you speak of. Also, I say just like ethnically, I'm Nigerian-British. I'm Igbo. It wasn't just about my tribe.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
It was about my clan, which is a whole people. And we had this group where people pay dues all the time. And when my great uncle died, part of the dues contributed to his funeral. So I think for ethnic minorities in this country, whether it's Latinos, it's African-Americans, it's Asians.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Join or Die with Robert Putnam [VIDEO]
There are different cultural ties there that the idea of when I pick up the newspaper and I hear a story of somebody dying alone and they don't find the body for months, I'm like, how does that happen? Because there's 20 people knocking your door. And I'm not saying that from my personal experience.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Which we actually read, by the way.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
I love that one you just did.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Yeah, you're immersed into this world of COVID.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
And the people arguing.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
I was like, damn, this is... Wow. He said that it felt like sneaking into a diary entry.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
So that's interesting because like Darnell and, you know, all of these horrible men in the book, their interior lives. They were not horrible. I found that, listen, it's my reading. Okay, okay, okay. What? I found a lot of them horrible.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Oh my God. Well, you guys know I'm anti-men in general.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
You know, my life is just filled with brilliant women.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Are they like brothers, family members?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Yeah, I just speak to them during the night between nine to five.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
In terms of who disturbed my spirit the most that left me vibrating a bit, Kwame.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
and that's because I'm postpartum myself and those scenes of Zecora like knowing her mother in a new way because of the vacuum of that man not being there was really beautiful to me because me and my friends talk about all the time like it took us becoming mothers to actually see our mothers as girls it's a dialogue we're constantly having Kwame because of how he behaved and how his family behaved that created a resentment I'm like that's not an honourable person
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
So lying to me, that's like a horrible man.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Oh, interesting. Can you go into that a bit more?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
But on the empathy point, when people listen to this after they've read the book.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Why would, what would evoke empathy?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Some people find it invigorating, like going on the road, talking about their work. Okay, all right.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
We have people here that are like, I love it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
One of my favorite lines is the character that basically says, when you get married, they leave you alone, even if you divorce them. I was like, this is so brilliant. Yeah.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Nigerian logic but it's the truth because like so many of my friends just said I just got married for freedom freedom from the question from the judgment oh because your family leaves you alone yeah yeah now you're in your husband's house I'm not even going to complain about the things you do because you're under his dominion right right right so to speak and it's
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Which is so unvarnished because that's not necessarily a thing, even as direct and honest as Nigerian women are, is what we'd say in a forum that is not private. You know what I mean? I felt like in moments you're in the inner sanctum of the things women say to each other that they don't tell other people that I sometimes tell Trevor.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
I'm interested because we kind of started this where we're talking about, you know, you don't look at the fame, you don't think about audience.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
For fiction. Are there moments when you're writing fiction when you're like, that feels, I can't go there?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Never? Nope.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
So it's kind of, there's a fearlessness that comes with the fiction.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Why did you? I know you don't like the why questions, but why did you?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
And you have some very direct characters. From above.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Yeah, and I was going to say that brings us to one of the characters in the book is based on a woman who exists in real life. Can you tell us a bit more?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
My parents were, it wounded me because I just thought, this is so wrong.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Because sometimes there's like this, you have to embrace humility. You have to like coach yourself. Couch everything you say in. Yes. It's this, but I'm grateful.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
We just articulate all the time the norm.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
But it's just the spectacle of it all.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Oh, but we like to see Luigi.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
But sometimes you'll be like, traveling sucks. I hate hotels. I don't like the food.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
The character says in America, money is justice. Yes. Which was very powerful to me because you just sue. Yeah.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Yes, a literary giant.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
You just have to say one name.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
And who are your enemies?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
So as I say often, I have a very dim view of human nature. It's very Hobbesian. So I've always thought people are terrible and I still think they're terrible. I don't think that's true. I really, I'll ask this guy.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Talk about generational trauma. I always say to my, like my father and his two brothers miraculously survived Biafra. And considering what they've gone through, they are such good and compassionate and empathetic and non-suspicious people. You would think I went through the war, but no. And what I tell my therapist is that the generational trauma is that I'm hypervigilant.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
I'm probably speaking nonsense. But what I do say is some people have a more dim view of human nature. And if that is true, because I always say, you know, there are racists. Racists need their outlet. Sometimes their Twitter. Like there are some people who have odious points of view. There's people that do not see my humanity. How do we go from there? Because I think maybe there's an in-between.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
So you're not talking about the fringe or the... No, no. You're talking about maybe the... The masses, the collective in the middle.
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As a justification.
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Yeah, culty.
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One speaks to the darkness, the other speaks to the light. There's an overlap in their voters. And they both speak to some aspirations, but in different ways.
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You're not sold. I love it.
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Like if you make a joke about traffic, people are like, well, you can get a helicopter, which I often say.
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I mean, the school fees are high. They're high, right?
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I come for it from a different perspective. I think I hate how in America it's like, you're right, you're left, you're right-leaning. Because I think people contain multiple ideological positions. On some issues, like right-wing leaning on what? There is no one.
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You're a student.
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So you encourage the discourse and the dialogue, but it has to be grounded in, I guess, intellectual curiosity. And it seems like from reading your essays and your work, a mutual respect. Because the affront to you is just like, don't be disrespectful, which is how I feel. Don't disrespect me or I'm going to leave.
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He didn't fit anywhere, so he had to understand.
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You know, Trevor's the king of that. Not the book, but remember at the show, the Daily Show, I think it was Jussie Smollett, this example always comes to mind. Jussie Smollett, the incident happened where he said he was assaulted by these Trump people. We're doing the meeting, we're watching the videos and, you know, people are like, oh, this is so outrageous, this is so sad.
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Myself, who's like Trotsky on the far left... And another writer who I won't name, but it's pretty right wing. We both said there's something not right. And Trevor said, you see these two people? They never agree. And he's like, guys, let's pause. Trevor said, we're not going to, we're not going to cover this.
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We're not going to go for like MAGA racists. And we had all the roles because it's like it's a big production to get all these clips. We had all the roles. People had the take. People had made jokes about how it was. And Trevor was like, let's take a beat. And this was like on the Monday or Tuesday. Wednesday, more's coming in. You know, people are saying justice for Jussie Smollett.
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Like Kamala Harris, everyone's tweeting. Trevor's still like, let's take a beat. I think it wasn't until like Wednesday or Thursday it emerges that... You know, the story wasn't what he was professing it to be. And Trevor was like, okay, now we're ready. And I always think about that when a story breaks or there's some hot button issue.
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Have you told anyone that?
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Because I'm, listen, I'm always like, I'm quite fiery, as you may have gathered. I used to be of the view of like... This is my opinion. But Trevor's very good at, let's take a beat. Let's read more. I used to be frustrated because I'd be like, this happened to these people. They're dying. And Trevor said, well, people die every day.
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We can't like, we have to have an informed response to what's happening.
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She's a real Igbo woman.
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But I think we're not disagreeing all the way. Are you talking about the reflexive urge to take a side? Yes. And you want people to take a beat?
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But Chimam, I think you are overestimating people's ability to even know what the source should be. Like, I went to journalism school and sometimes... I've been tricked.
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You know, sometimes it's just like... I think it was an AI thing. I was sent something recently and I was momentarily duped until I dug a bit deeper and I was like, oh, this is not true. This is manufactured. And I think we assume people to be a lot more literate than they are. And that's not coming from an arrogant place. We're just flooded with information.
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And I tell you, I'm like, sometimes I get WhatsApp forwards from my auntie. I'm like, auntie, where did you, especially during COVID. Exactly. Chew ginger. I was like, but she was like, no, don't get the vaccine. Chew ginger and you'll be fine. Right. And to task that person with finding the truth.
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A lot of people don't know where to start, especially where we are being flooded with misinformation. So I think Trevor's saying maybe we should have a bit more grace because not everyone is able to maneuver information.
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To that point, though, I think there is no center right now. You know, when we're talking about the...
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No, I think for most rational people, it doesn't. But we're in a heightened time where there is just like a lot of institutional distrust. I mean, my husband thinks I'm susceptible to cults. No, but I think everyone is. I think everyone is. Not just what the algorithm feeds you, but it's been a destabilizing few years. And I think everyone's asking themselves this question, what is true?
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And what do I believe? What am I? And that's why we're, because of the fear, we're going to all these extremes. And for a lot of people, they're just like, the CDC did this one thing wrong. Forget the CDC. Do you know what I mean? Whether that's right or not, I can't really judge. But I think there's just so much mistrust.
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You said it's the last frontier. Yeah.
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Wait, what? That's how Christiana... I'd love to tell the story. It's crazy. When Trevor first got his job at The Daily Show, he had a guest on that I didn't agree with, that I thought he shouldn't have had it. I stand by that. Does this guest have a name, perhaps? Yeah, Tommy Loren. Yeah. And it was like a super viral interview and there was lots of reactions. And... Credit to Trevor.
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He came across tweets where I was critical of him in a very respectful way, I think. I was kind of... How you were critical? Not critical. I was just discussing... Oh, yeah. I was discussing the fact that he'd had this guest on his show. And because he disagreed with me, he followed me. He was just like, I don't think she's right.
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Because he stands by why he had the interview, which I love about him. And someone reached out to me and was like, oh, Trevor Noah's a fan. What have you thought about working at the show? And the Nigerian in me was like, ah, this man is trying to trick me. Tell me off. That's the first thing I told my parents. I was like, I've got this email.
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I think this man is trying to trick me and he's holding a grudge because I said he shouldn't have that girl. But there was like that. But I see why, though. But we engaged in a few conversations where he was like, you know, you've made me think I don't necessarily agree. We had a few exchanges, not disrespectful ones, but like Trevor's very kumbaya.
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But I'm a child of Biafra, so I always want to fight. So there is that. I think there's that. Not tension, but we bring different things to.
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Well, I came to America in 2014 and I say this a lot and maybe I'm coming from like a Western lens of being in the UK and communicating with my friends in the UK. I think in the UK also people are wearing their politics more or whatever their label of whatever you identify as, whether Republican, Democrat, Socialist or whatever.
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And that is being at the front of a conversation in a way that is tainting how you can experience a person in real life.
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In a way that I didn't feel when I first came to America.
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When I first came, yeah. Because remember, I came when Obama was still in power. You're not wrong, actually. Yeah, when I came at the tail end of Obama, everyone assumed Hillary would win. And to be a Trump voter was a very quiet thing. I mean, we only discovered there were so many voters when the guy won. Because everyone was, it was just those red hat people over there.
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You never thought it was a people around you. And I think, There became this scrutiny after Trump won, like, did you vote for him? Did you vote for him? I think you voted for him. Like that suspicion for people who weren't in active mourning that Hillary wasn't president. And then it changed the timber of our interactions in a way that I don't think we've recovered from or gone back to.
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And I think that's even deepened now in his second term.
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I felt it with Trump. Maybe that's a result of the bubble I was in myself. I just think we're in a time where people feel really defensive about what they believe. And there's not much step base for negotiation.
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I'm so curious because women aren't necessarily talking to other women about this and don't have the resources themselves. Doctors don't seem to know. Where does a woman go who's like perimenopausal or menopausal and is trying to figure out what is going on and who can help me?
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And that's something I actually wanted to ask you about because the older women who do speak about it with me are so terrified of hormone replacement therapy. Yes, because of that study. Yeah, and I say, well, the study's been debunked. And you can go on Instagram and see in the comments section, there's a big pharma trying to kill us. Wow.
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No, but, you know, because it's like breast cancer is a thing that does increase with age and people are terrified to get breast cancer.
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So there are women suffering right now who maybe are good candidates for HRT.
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Curious, like... Drinking bone broth, collagen supplements, would that help?
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So from the inside out, you can do some of the work.
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Is that why you're claiming, like, probably the most unsexy person?
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yes gruesome yes experience like yes beyond the actual act of giving birth which is very ugly it's beautiful but it's ugly if you see up front menopause and this is just like it's not something that most women would have the courage to claim publicly and do you think you're trying to claim it for yourself in part because you want to get away from that perception of perfection and beauty and
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I was going to ask about the black womanhood piece because I think that when you drill down, black women and menopause and just reproductive health in general is just a maze. And we're misdiagnosed and underdiagnosed. And we're at greater risk.
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So what would you say to Black women specifically, especially those that maybe don't even have the tools and the vocabulary to understand what's happening with their bodies?
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And she's getting great reviews, by the way. Tabitha Brown. Shout out to Tabitha Brown. Tabitha!
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So Hallie, I'm so curious because this is something me and my friends talk about a lot that we know like all of our mothers went through menopause, but they've never discussed it with us, right? Like they've never said anything to, is this like an African mother thing? No, just all of the, all my girlfriends, black, white, we're always like, you know, we're like, when are, you know, perimenopause?
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I think you could get someone younger.
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We have lots of questions because we're like, a lot of us are going into perimenopause now, right?
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Perimenopause is a period before menopause, which is chaotic and very difficult for women. And you have like memory loss and anxiety and you-
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This is so techy and futuristic.
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And how long do you put it up for you? Is it daily? What's the regimen?
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For like a woman at home who's maybe like in her early 70s, is it too late for her? Can she jump on this train and try the V-fit and the gel and the hormone replacement therapy? Because sometimes it feels like the conversation is geared to 40s to like late 50s.
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But like most women don't actually know what perimenopause is, right? And it's bad. debilitating. And me and my friends of all backgrounds, we talk about the fact that our mothers and grandmothers and great grandmothers must have gone through this. They haven't given us this guidebook. Do they even have the language for what they went through?
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And I'm curious how you came to it and were like, I'm going to use this as transformation because from my perspective and from our friends, it's just something that's shrouded in shame. Like it's a conversation we still haven't even had with our own mothers. And you're like out here really publicly claiming it.
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Because not everyone's heard it, and it's important to them.
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You know what, the more kids you have, the harder the pregnancies become. Because if you got pregnant now and you had to run it after you're older. Well, now I'm 58, that'd be hard for that reason.
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And you've given birth without drugs, by the way.
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And this is like your primary care doctor had no idea? No. No.
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And not telling you how to prepare for it. Or that it was even coming.
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But the thing is, they know our periods cease at a point. Like, I would accept that. Like, as a reason, yeah, there's something you don't know. But this is not unknowable. We know that women, at a certain point, if you live long enough, you'll probably stop menstruating. And the period before that can be difficult. Well, doctors should know that, I guess.
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Because I'd go like... Helen of Troy, basically.
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Well, the suicide rate goes up for menopausal women.
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But for some reasons, there's something about them intrinsically that they're not able to do the opposite.
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Not stage a coup, but I'm saying that the people at the top are really good at... Trump is great at knowing how to get to the top, whatever you think about him. He's one of these guys, he could go anywhere and end up at the top. And he knows nothing. I think that's a talent. Well, he knows something. He knows something.
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But then the people that have all the acumen, as you're saying, have the expertise, have the vision, seem to be stuck and they can't transform these organizations.
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You also absorb all the anger of the people beneath you.
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I know loads of people like that.
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Well, you're like, buy my books.
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That's interesting. Now we're like into kind of this workplace dynamic space. Could you tell the audience more about your view on gossip? Because I come on the other side of it. And I don't like the word gossip. I think we should call it oral history because that's what it is. All history in real time. In real time. Is that true? Yeah, I mean, I come from a line of griots, West African.
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But wait, how do you define gossip? So like, I think gossip is really important for protecting the tribe. It's how we... No, no, but how do you define gossip?
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But you know, history and gossip is interchangeable for me. No, I'm with you in some ways.
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No, no, I mean amongst, like, do you get what I'm saying?
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But you know what? History, because we're on the other side of it. At the time, when they were burning all those witches, do you think they were like, we're about to burn 10 witches?
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I think gossip is frowned upon because women do it. I think everybody does it. But women do it really well. You know what? My closest male friends are great gossips. Again, oral historians.
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I mean, history is laced with judgment. There is no neutral history.
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And I'm on the other side. Like as a black woman, I never vent at work.
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Can I tell you what office gossip normally... Someone who's worked in a lot of offices, it's normally done in a group chat. And it's like, this is what office gossip is. It's, you know, the Christmas party. So-and-so hooked up with so-and-so. Really? They did. Oh, there are no more sausage rolls because so-and-so took more sausage rolls. That's what office gossip is.
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It's just a litmus test of the culture and the happenings all the time. I'm telling you from the group chat. And then sometimes it slides into... you know, she did this today. Oh, that's so annoying. But the way gossip works and there's enough factions in the office, it's really hard to completely change the perception of one person. I have not found a situation.
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And if everyone hates you, there's good reason.
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It can, but it's also like, don't go into that guy's office because he's very handsy-pansy. Because there's been research on gossip.
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And can I tell you something about, I bet you about that company. They protect a lot of men.
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Because I think gossip's a crucial social language. It's a very female... If we say no gossip, I think it insulates poor leadership. I think it insulates bullies. Because there are always these managers who are bullies. And you can't share your experience without being labeled gossip. So it's just like, how do I share?
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But some people would. Some people would say, well, that's gossip. You weren't there. You can't prove that he looked at her a certain way.
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I've worked a ton of different jobs.
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I understand the idea behind, like, let's eliminate gossip. That's not going to eliminate, like, the nastiness of office politics and how human beings behave. And I think gossip can be a great pressure release.
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What brought you here? I'm trying to get Trevor to move here. He refuses to. Well, I mean, he's smart. No. Don't say that.
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So you're a real uncle dad.
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I think it's because we probably fall on different...
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parts of the capitalist debate and we're not going to get into it because i hate capitalism um and i but you are a champagne socialist i don't think it's a system that can be redeemed personally especially america's history of racial capitalism um i guess i object to the fact that why should i find purpose in work like i actually deeply recoil when i hear that because i'm just like
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Oh, so you want me to feel like, it's like kind of like the wellness industry, right? This way of feeling good about yourself in order to sell me more things. And I'm like, why should my, to me, my purpose can never, ever be in work. God forbid an office. And God forbid my boss coming to me and saying like, what's your why?
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And I'm like, well, my why is to be with my family and my friends and my community. This is just how I make money.
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Yeah, especially Trevor. Ah, it's all a transaction. Remember that?
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But a lot of siblings hate each other. Also like he's like an uncle dad. He's helping raise. For sure, the third parent. Which is like.
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I would love that. Do you know what I mean?
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Yes, but what I mean is, like, I feel like people... You bring order, Trevor brings chaos.
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They were like, what?
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I just struggle with the idea of infusing these corporations with purpose and spirituality. because I and the community I belong to we find that elsewhere it's like your job is your job I feel very fortunate to do a job that I enjoy despite it being with Trevor a lot of the time there's a whole wonderful crew yeah Yeah, forget them.
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But no, it's just like I butt up against that because in the tech world, it looks like, okay, now we're going to give you a gym in the office because that would make them feel better. And they have somewhere to sleep. And like what that gets layered into is just whole profit.
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Yeah, and I don't want it from my office.
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Because I have to be here more. And I want to be with my people.
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No, I meet a lot of people that work for these type of vision-driven, purpose-driven cults. I'm like, you've joined a cult and they will fire you too.
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So I need to move my kids around a lot. You do, actually.
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We want to do a London stint, definitely.
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I think what I object to fundamentally is like the privatization of a sense of belonging. I don't actually think that's the job of a business. Right. I don't believe that's the job of business. I believe that is actually the job of your community and your people. Wait, can I throw something in? And then I'm like, restore the community.
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Yeah. But then we haven't chosen the place after that.
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I'm not in the business of being like, let's make these businesses places of purpose and belonging.
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Obi sounds like Peppa Pig when he's speaking to me.
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And he sounds like California when he's speaking to everyone else. So he's on the cusp. No, I'm English. My daughter does not speak English.
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But even if they're sincere, I just don't think that's the role of a company. I think that's a profound failure. Yeah, but I'm saying... Because I know the people who want to go to... People in my family are like, I go to work, I come home.
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No, but I'm in this cult with Trevor. But hold on. I can't get rid of him. I'm in the corporate cult.
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No, I'm saying I feel that I come from a position where I feel like it's a real luxury to do what I do. I get to write for a living. I get to think. I get to speak. Most of my people in my life, that's not what they do. It's not what my parents got to do. That's not what my grandparents got to do. So I come from a different kind of working lineage. And
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How old are your kids? My son is four. My daughter is 18 months. And I'm like, Luna, Trump's America. You need to learn something.
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Because of that, I don't try and entrust too much meaning into the job. Like, it's not supposed to give me fulfillment or community. But it does. But, I mean, sometimes it does. Not all the time.
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But when it doesn't... Sometimes your friends do, sometimes your friends don't. I think my issue is for... For most people, their job does not give them that profound sense of meaning. And I'm just like, we need to live in a world that even if your job doesn't give you that, that's fine. But it seems that what you do and a lot of people advocate is coming from it from the other side.
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Let's make these businesses give to people what their general world should be given to them.
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But I'm a socialist. That's why, you know, champagne socialist.
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And maybe I come to it from a different vantage point as like as a mother. I have a lot of friends who have decided to spend like the very early childhood years with their children, which is a privilege.
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And it's because the thing that takes you out of the home has to be so fulfilling to be like, I'm not going to be with this kid when they're learning to walk and they're learning to talk, et cetera, et cetera.
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Okay. Which is very different languages, by the way.
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We have three languages in our house. So English, Spanish and Igbo. Igbo is an indigenous language from the southeast of Nigeria. So we're always using different words. But my daughter, her English is really, she just doesn't have many. She knows like pizza, which is an Italian word, right?
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But like my daughter, like, and it's hard. Yesterday she was crying about something. She was like, what was she saying? She said, este, este, which is like Spanish for this. And I was like, so my husband, speak to her. I don't know what's going on here.
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So it's like this interesting thing where like each child is being drawn to their own culture because there's no like real common culture of the house. I often think about like when they grow up, I'm like, are they going to be close? Are they going to, you know, you figured it out.
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No, because I agree with him now. So you don't want to find your underpants? We'll do it in private. Okay. No, that's fine. I was just asking. No, but I agree with that.
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The service stuff. That's what it's about. Okay. That's a life well lived service.
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But I think he creates the chaos. That's just the difference. Unbelievable.
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You seek it out, he's the one bringing it.
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I think we've all worked in places where we've been like, you know, my boss is an idiot, right? Right? Yeah. But that wasn't you at the Daily Show, right? No, I was like, my boss is this smart South African. Okay, all right. He's so brilliant. Because I don't know many places you've worked.
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I didn't think you were an idiot.
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I constantly disagree with him. I still disagree.
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Which makes a great entertainment. I was like, this is amazing. I was like. He's mad. And he thought the same of me. But I always thought Trevor's brilliant. So it wasn't that. I thought he was an idiot.
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Brilliant and an idiot.
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But I'd say we've all worked in places where the really smart person or the person that has the insight, whether it's strategically or tactically... is kind of like stuck in middle management and for whatever reason isn't able to maneuver to be in a position where they're like the boss, right? What would you advise that person? Because I know I have tons of friends like that.
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And I'm like, they're just stuck at this place in their career. And their complaint is my boss doesn't know what they're doing. The VP doesn't know what they're doing. The COO doesn't know what they're doing. And it seems that across the world, we just have this class of middle management who can't really make decisions.
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And he's like, I feel ashamed that I'm sending you, your kids, this thing that means they're losers.
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Also, I mean, I'm saying this as a Brit. How much is just ultimately resolved in court? And then there's a different court. So then it goes to a court in like this district says.
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Yeah, it just keeps suing. And then it's always the judges who are like, I'll take you to court. I'll take you to court. So Trump does a thing. And then now I've realized, just wait to see what happens in court.
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And then it's frozen because there's something that happens in court. So I'm like, I'm not saying not being a president is powerful because we've seen how much it can shape the world. But now I'm like, oh, everything happens in court in this country. It's like the judges...
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I love this because I love corruption.
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He said it, not me. But you just said I love... It could have been my British side.
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One thing I've learned about Nigerians is... It could be my British side.
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No, but we're embarrassed about it.
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But I also feel like, forget world leaders, I would not invite someone to my house to cuss them out. Like, if I want to cuss you out, you're not coming to my house. That was the thing that kind of blew my mind about the internet. Like, forget...
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Oh, he knew he was going to cuss him out.
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Well, he thought Zelensky would kind of bow.
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I think some of the risk, the reaction to it though, is just like, people are surprised to see someone cuss someone out in their house. Forget them being a group of men.
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Someone came to your house and you cussed them out. That is like just on a purely human level.
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How much money he thinks you have.
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She's still got that placenta perm.
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It's not how it is. So she's still got her placenta perm. I know. I am a mother of three kids, five and under. I've had more than three pregnancies. You guys know, like, my womb is a strange place. So I've had losses, done IVF, all of this stuff. And now it's landed me at three kids. Cora wasn't IVF, though.
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I'm stopping it. Can I tell you guys something? No, don't lie.
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No, he's going to say, you say this all the time. Every time you say it's your last baby.
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Okay, can I tell you the difference now?
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So unfortunately, I live in a very godless city. So it's a long time to get a vasectomy. In LA, I sent my husband. My husband, February 14th, he had an appointment. For a consultation for a vasectomy.
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He got there and the guy says there's a waiting list. But what happens every Friday, they open up the portal for cancellations. This is the vasectomy doctor in LA, by the way. Everyone goes to him because he does the job.
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It's quick, but it's a godless city. People don't want kids. So there's so many men.
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If you want it quicker, go to like Utah.
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So this is, I don't even want to go on too many tangents, but.
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Because I've got people telling me, why don't you get an IUD? Why don't you do this? I'm like, no, let him do something because my body has been through hell.
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So my husband is getting a vasectomy and we have two embryos in boarding school in case I ever... Want to get to five. No, they're just there. I don't know what to do with them. You see, this is, I'm pro-choice, but then I have all these woo-woo things. I'm like, do I donate them to science? I don't like embryo adoption. No, you see, this is slick.
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No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not the out. It's just like, I'm like, I can't keep having children when I have like these two, not souls, but things frozen in time. So they're there. I have to make a decision about what we do with them. They're in Texas.
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Not children, please. Before... The Republicans here, they're not children. They're cells. Me and my husband's cells.
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look at how they swim I'm afraid it's going to get to that so anyway so even having Cora the ethical I was like how can we do this when it was obviously she's not planned which by the way my thing about having three kids I think it makes me look like I lack sexual discipline in this day and age no no no wait wait why would you need because like who has three kids in this day and age no no no no but why would you need sexual discipline I whoever says that bring them here I'll fight them no people are very like people women with careers yes like ambitious women mhm
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You either have no kids or you have maximum two.
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This is what I found. I've looked at it. And why do you think that is? Because no kids, you have freedom. Yes. Two kids, you have balance. And it's what you can... At three kids, we're like at capacity. It's chaos in my house. But imagine a woman shows up for a job interview. I'm just talking about a woman that maybe doesn't have as much privilege. And she's like, I have three kids.
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The person on the other side is like, this bitch is going to have another baby soon. I don't know if I can give her the job interview. I mean, that's how I would feel. That's how I would feel. But I'm saying that's a very raw... No, no, no.
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When I told them, I walked in, obviously I was like, they were like, because my belly was showing at that point. I was past 12 weeks. And then Derek, shout out to Derek, who works with Trevor. He was just sitting there answering ads. They're doing the sums. Yeah, everyone has to do the math. And they were like, congratulations. Oh yeah, we can make the podcast. What do you do? It was so funny.
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It was just a relief. And then they were like, okay, whatever. But it has a real impact.
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You're not worried about Josh getting pregnant.
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Oh, God, that's hard to hear as a United fan. Oh, I didn't know which way you were going to take that. No, but it's true. It's true. It's true. Think about it. I hope my dad's not listening.
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i'll never ever be like but the podcast and you know this from me i'm the person who's like yeah cancel and by the way like so i feel very fortunate that i do this the work i do and where i am in my career that i have like partners like you guys were like okay how can we make this work right that was like okay what are your dates what do you want to take time off when are your appointments you know they're the queen the kings and queens of
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You seem tired. Go sleep or whatever. But most women don't work in environments that are like that. It's like, you know, you're getting fired. You're getting demoted. You're taking time off. You're coming back at a lower level. You're already like postpartum. It's the worst thing you can do for your career, having a baby. That's the truth. But no one says that.
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It's bad for the dads, too, by the way, because a dad is like, I want to spend more time with my kids.
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Okay. For someone who wants to be an active and present father, in the current capitalist framework we have, where your work is on your phone, your email, you can't escape it. It's very tough. After work, drinks, socializing. Now they're like, return to the office. They don't want us to work from home, right? So you're away from your family all day.
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If you're a man that wants to see your kids and be present, it's bad for you as well. But I think with, and it's an argument, a conversation me and Lewis have a lot, The woman, you take on the actual physical brunt of the pregnancy. The emotional, physical labor, the hormones. It's feeling like you're being invaded. I find pregnancy very disembodying. I'm not one of these women.
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I had the most beautiful time in my life. I was close. I feel like shit. Like, I don't enjoy it. And I've had really... I've had rough pregnancies. I've had... My last birth was my favourite birth. I felt really powerful. I knew what I wanted. Like, I felt very confident. That's amazing. Yeah, and it was just, like, I'd done it a lot of times before to be, like, listened to and postpartum was...
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I couldn't even really dwell on it because I have two other children. But for a lot of women, it's this earthquake and you're constantly feeling aftershocks. And whatever decision you make, whether you decide to stay at home with your children or also work as well, you don't have the support for the most part.
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I find my friends that are stay-at-home mums, they live really isolating existences and they do work that's not respected financially.
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You've seen it up close multiple times now.
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And let's not even talk about, and I think this is around the Western world, the housing crisis. It's so expensive.
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Schools aren't good. Private schools are super expensive. So it's just like everything is working against you. And then I'd say like on a really, maybe it's like, I don't think it's vain. For a long time, you don't feel like yourself in your body. You have this baby, you're lumpy, you're soft. You don't feel sexy. Do you know what I mean? It's like you're scrolling Instagram.
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You're like, you know, a Zen pick. Everyone's very hot and thin right now. And you're just like, I feel like blah.
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So they will basically become Ozempic resistant.
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How could you? Well, the worst thing is being like postpartum in the age of Ozempic. Because I think I've been through the entire life cycle. So when I had OB in 2020, then it was COVID. But it was a wave of body positivity. Yeah. And everyone was saying, you're not your body. Thank your body for just keeping you alive. Because, you know, the stakes were different. It was like viruses.
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That was the first, like, huh. Oh, I was thinking about when, like, because this is so dark, because I moved to America after Bush started bombing the world, right? Yeah. So I'm saying as an outsider, when did you consider, like, maybe I don't want to live there anymore? Obama was pretty... You were like, oh, I want to move to a place where Obama can become president.
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So you were just like, oh, I've got this thing that keeps me alive. Good for you. It didn't matter how it looked. And now the algorithm is just feeding me, oh, you're postpartum, how to get your body back. Basically eating disorder content, like lean is law. And the timeline does look
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different because so many people are on glp ones and you look at the red carpet from the oscars or the grammys and you're like people look really different yeah and like everyone everyone is honest so there's also being everyone is a woman that's just had a baby in a very different cultural space where a maternal body is like no one no one wants to see evidence that you've had babies we hate those bodies it's a mom bod it's so rude right wouldn't do
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He was very supportive. You were great when I was pregnant with Obi.
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This is like, this is over-wokeness, you know?
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By the way, I'm an ally for people who have been pregnant. However, I myself, but now you sound like a dead bit.
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Obama, in this case, is like Alex Ferguson. Yes, yes, yes. And then when Obama ends... And, you know, if you follow the American story, you assumed it would be Hillary. Yes. And then Trump comes in as an outsider. You're like, hmm, maybe I want to reconsider. I don't know.
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I feel so bad. I'm such a mean pregnant woman. That's not true. Not to you.
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In the house. Trevor, you'd be like, oh, fine. No, I think my character flaw is that when I'm frustrated with things, there's always like the target of my frustration, even if it's not that person themselves. So I think Lewis had to absorb a lot of my complaints. But also I've had three kids for this man.
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He's a great parent. I say to him, if you died and left me a widow, I'd go and get you back because I can't do this without you. No, just don't die. But that's beautiful though.
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My parents are in the UK. His family's in New York. We're very fortunate enough to have a nanny who focuses on two, Luna. Now we just use numbers for the children because we get their names wrong.
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Focuses on two. Lewis currently does the heavy lifting with one. So he gets Obi dressed for school, gives him breakfast, takes him to school, takes him to any activity he needs to have and then brings him back, et cetera, et cetera. And I focus on three. But we have a great village. My parents come out to New York this week to record these episodes. My parents came out from London.
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They're currently in the hotel like 10 minutes away with Cora. Louis's parents have already come out. They came out shortly after Cora was born and they spent two weeks with us helping us out. So even though we don't have our village always physically present, People are very supportive.
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And I think, you know, it's great to have like the physical support, but so much of parenting is just like the psychological toll. And you guys are part of the village, like friends, family. How are you doing? Checking in three of my best friends from my childhood. Well, we're schoolgirls together. We're in a group chat and we're always like encouraging each other.
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They also have kids. They also have kids. And we're all in different life phases with the kids and ages. And even before they were like, how are you? How are you feeling? You've got your pump late. You're texting me. Or if I came in today. So we have a village. We are incredibly supported. But we still most days feel like we're treading water.
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That's what I feel from, because, like, it's kind of dark, but, like, the war in Iraq, European countries were involved in that. Like, as a Brit.
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So I cannot imagine how I think most parents in America or in the West are just drowning.
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But I think you could be right, Trevor. Maybe I was just very selfish and blinkered. I was like, I still want to go to a place where war criminals are present.
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I mean, I think there was Japan a few years ago experienced the first year where they sold more adult diapers than diapers for babies.
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Because they have this huge geriatric population.
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But people aren't having kids. But to both of your points... um, maybe because of the way I was raised. And so my husband's Dominican, so very immigrant family, very family focused. Dominicano. Dominicano. And I'm, I'm Nigerian and you, you know, you know what that means. We live in LA, which some people say is a vapid place or whatever, but there are good people there.
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And we focus a lot on building our community. Like we take our friends' kids. Even when I was pregnant, I'll take a friend's kid and
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people take our kids and one thing I will say in this postpartum period it being spending time with other people and being active in our trying to build that community it paid dividends in small ways there was a mum at OB school who sent me a text and she was like I've dropped something at your door It was a very sweet, big up lane. She dropped something at my door and I looked out.
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She brought me just some tea. I had another friend, my friend Chris. She was just like, I'm in the neighborhood. And she bought food that you can heat up and stuff like that. And then Cora's godparents, Dara and Emi, they came by, just held the baby for a bit. So I think sometimes we complain about not having community, but are we trying to be good community and village members?
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And I think that we're in this like me, me, me, selfish society, whether it's about your grind, your money, your holidays, whatever you're into. And we've actually forgot how to be village members and we don't. Then we're shocked we don't have a village. So for the last couple of years, I was doing that myself.
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So I was just like, how can I be better to the people around me or just show up in the small ways that I can? And this is why I think this third time around, being in a country that's not my own, I felt more settled, more supportive, more checked in because I was always I've been more present for other people.
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And I think that that's a hard thing to say to mothers or parents that like, how many people are you there for? Because you're like, well, I'm drowning. But I think if you have that mentality of like, what's the little thing I can do for you? You know, is there a parent in my child's class that I can be like, oh, I'll drop them home sometimes? Or what's the little thing you can do?
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And that accumulates. And that's how you build a village.
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Are you pitching me to have more kids?
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It's so funny you say that about community. Right now, I'd say one of the most invaluable members of my community is my god sister, Emily. She moved in with us in January. And when I told just strangers that, oh, yeah, my god sister's going to move in with us, people are like, why would you want someone in their early 20s? That's so weird. I was like, yeah, she's coming out to LA. She's got a job.
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I'm like, I love her to bits. I love her parents. Just let her come live with us. And it's so, now I see the benefits of like intergenerational households.
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Because now Obi has someone to look to. Yes. Who's not as old as. Yes. Because he was like, what are you? You're not a grown up. Like he doesn't even know what this thing is. He was like, well, I am a grown up, but I'm a young grown up. So he has this thing to look to that he can play with. It's like a pressure relief valve. Right, right. I just have another sister in the house.
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Do you know what I mean? And then she has like an older sister, an older brother to kind of look up to, to ask questions to. And it's changed the rhythm of all of our lives. Like she's up early in the morning because of the kids. I'm learning about Chapel Rowan and all these crazy people because of her. I'm like, what on earth is... No, but it's like, it's opening my mind. It's expanding my heart.
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And it's just like, we have a bigger family. Now, there's some cultures where you would never let someone live with you.
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That is not in your... But it's been one of the best things, I think, to happen to all of us.
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And then when we had Lewis's parents there, we had like the grandparents, parents.
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The rhythm where we're living now where someone's alone or you're having a 2.4 family with 2.5 kids. That is not how it's, we're actually all supposed to be communal and have multiple generations in the same space. And not having that is really bad for us.
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And that's crazy for a single mum. My son wasn't a burden because if you speak to most single mothers today, they're like, I'm overwhelmed. I'm drowning. And it actually impacts the relationship I have with this kid because I'm always strained and I'm tense. But just having that pressure release valve, like, oh, I like my kid.
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Trevor, you were raised like that, right?
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They're really surveilled. Yeah. Okay.
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But also, who wants to take any kid? I'm not worried about my kids getting kidnapped. The kidnapper will bring them back.
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Because I mean... The fourth trimester.
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It's the immediate period after you've had a child. After you've given birth, it goes up until... Well, the doctors say it takes two years for your body to be what it was before. And it's never going to be what it was before, but to like... Kind of get back to it. And postpartum looks different for everyone.
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But there's this huge hormonal crash because your body is making all these hormones to grow the baby. Yeah. And then there's this huge crash. And that can mean lots of different things. Your hair falls out for a lot of women. I always, my hair falls out every time.
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Yeah, your head grows in pregnancy. Some of you glowing your nails.
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And then you have the baby and all of those hormones like progesterone, everything comes down. And I get horrible night sweats. That's my really gross thing. So in the night, I always have to, I have night sweats so bad, my fingers wrinkle and I get shivers. So that wakes me up and I put on some new pyjamas every time.
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So you get stuff like night sweats, hair falling out, you know, in the immediate period when your breast, if you're breastfeeding, your breasts get really engorged and they like breastfeeding can be quite rocky for some people. Your skin changes. Obviously, your body changes. All your organs are moving back into position.
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Your uterus is coming down again, you know, because pregnancy moves your organs out of the way. And then for some women, that involves anxiety, depression, coming with the hormones. Also because the stress, like a newborn is like a very fragile thing. And I think from a completely like evolutionary biology perspective, your job is like to keep it alive.
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So it's just like, some women get these things called phantom cries. You hear your baby crying, even though they're not crying. That must suck. Which, yeah, you're just like, the baby's crying. And your husband's like, no, it's not. But it's just like, it's all of these things at once.
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And all the research shows that women in cultures who are more supportive, supported have less postpartum anxiety. A big thing that actually helped me this time is our pediatrician, this amazing woman called Dr. Priest. She does home visits regularly.
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So Dr. Priest would come over and weigh Cora and ask any questions at home because before I would have to go to a different facility, go see the pediatrician somewhere else. So I think a big part of what helped my postpartum this time that a pediatrician would come to the house, that I'd be in my pyjamas. She'd do the exam and then she'd ask me, like, how are you doing?
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She'd just chat, check in, how's breastfeeding going? Oh, you're not sure about the latch? Have you thought about this? Have you thought about, well, her weight's great. Oh, you know, it's just that having the person that was medically supervised to look after my child was a big part in, and her coming to the home, that changed everything. So I didn't have the postpartum anxiety that I had.
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I typically have had in the past, and I think I had some of the confidence of a third-time mum. But, you know, postpartum is also a big identity shift because every time you have a baby, you do go through that shift. And now it's like a new identity as a mum of three. Or as the kid at my kid's school said, Obie's mum, why are you always having babies? LAUGHTER Big up to her.
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Obie's mom, why are you always having babies? And for a lot of women, you don't want to just be known as a mother. You still want to feel like yourself, but you have to find a new self every time. And that's very unsettling. You know, so like postpartum is a big thing. And I think it's not necessarily recognized. It's not talked about.
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And there's a lot of shame around it because no one wants to feel like they're weak or they're inadequate. You know, and I still think that's even in the most developed societies or more supportive society, we still haven't figured out how to help women in that next life phase.
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Well, for Obi and for Luna, I did a thing called Omogwu, which is in Igbo culture, the 40 days after you have a baby. My mum came and my dad, being very modern, also joined my mum for this thing. The first time we did this, I can't believe I'm doing this. But he came out and they did all of that. They'd made the pepper soups and my mum was doing the belly binding and all of that stuff.
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This time, we didn't do it. But yeah, that whole thing of being...
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really having people around you there's a tiktok video that's gone super viral um of as a group of black women they drive up to their friend's house they're playing girl by destiny's child and they're screaming it and the their friend closes the window and shuts the curtains and they're like girl they're singing the song that you need to come outside and they break down the door basically she was postpartum and she'd been sending these texts about um
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not feeling too good. And they were like, we broke down the door to see her. And I think if you're in a culture where it's not like South Africa or Nigeria or developing countries where the system is in place, your friends need to be willing to break down the door. Just intrude. Because in the West, you're so...
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afraid of intruding your personal space is overly respected you know there's cultures where people just show up to your house here you plan hey Josh are you home yeah you go to a restaurant here you don't even go to people's house I think don't be afraid to intrude in those words like you good you good you good because I think most women and men are afraid to ask for help so you have to just like do the thing don't say what do you need just do a thing
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All the dads now are old dads, by the way, Josh.
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Should life be like that? Trevor, do you want kids?
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I think you two both make great fathers.
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I think you make great fathers and... Maybe one of the sad things about the world is that I have friends that are like child free by choice and they'd make the most brilliant mothers and fathers. And it's often the people that are making the real calculus who've done that deep spiritual work, who like experienced ego death.
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who make the decision not to be parents, who would make brilliant parents. I agree with you. But at the end of the day, I think I don't see, I came to a point where I don't see my children as possessions. Maybe this is very Christian mentality. I'm like, you know, a gift from God. God has given me them to kind of guide in this world and uncover who they're supposed to be.
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But they're not just mine. So I don't think you have to have children yourself biologically to parent.
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And I feel like if we had a more expansive view of parenting, that children around us are our collective responsibility.
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Then it's like, do you want biological children that live in your house?
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But then it's just like, you can have children via other means. My kids aren't my possessions. I'm just their custodians. I'm here to guide them.
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Can you imagine the stress a kid is having? The damage, the therapy.
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And we're still making the podcast.
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Not for a while. She's not going to be pregnant again.
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I think Obama did that, but in a different way. Obama made America look so cool and like it could like remake itself in a certain way. Yeah. Because I remember there was like years ago when he was the first time he ran and they did like a poll in Europe about if Obama ran versus I think it was McCain or whoever it was the first time. Yeah. What were the voices? It was like 95% Obama.
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The rest of the world was a no-brainer. Like, this guy is great. His wife is beautiful.
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Feels like Obama did that and then Trump's done it the other way, but that's why I think they're twin flames. You know, I have this whole theory. Oh, you do? About in the past.
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No, but I think we're talking about the same thing, but I'm talking about the witchy version, and you're talking about the sensible version. Trump is America's id, but Obama is who America likes to think they are, because it's like the performance of goodness. Because I think Obama performs as a good person as well, and he probably is a bit of an asshole.
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I would be too in private, but he is humble in public. And then Trump is the dark side, so they're like the darkness and the light. And you know there's an overlap in their voters, right? Right? The same people that voted for Obama also voted for Trump in these swing states. He's appealing to the same parts of themselves, but just the dark and the light.
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I need to get into MMA I need to I want more hobbies is MMA a hobby?
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no to watch because I've been watching football the premiership is depressing for a United fan well the premiership is not depressing for a United fan there we go say it with your chest say it with your chest it's a hard time I've been introducing so I have all these Man U kits for the kids because one of my good friends sent them for me and he's Nigerian so he's like there was a time when this meant excellence so
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Which is an insane, like, it's a crazy culture. In most cultures, they don't even believe in happiness.
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Is that all you want for yourself?
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My friend's sister said, was Jesus happy?
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She was making a big life choice. She's like, I'm not happy. She's like, was Jesus happy?
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And you shouldn't pursue it. It's like pursuing pleasure. It's kind of decadent, right?
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He said, America has failed on its promise. But yes, we can.
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Like the genius. Before we go down this Amor road, this is a very credentialed professor here.
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Exactly. No, because if my parents are listening, they're like, oh, she's just speaking to some person with opinion. I'm like, no, mom and dad.
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That's for my parents. This woman has a MacArthur genius grant. So she's written a ton of books. For those at home that may not be familiar, Ruha is a tenured professor at Princeton University. That's why I'm like, she's not an amateur, guys. So Nigerian. Let me tell you something.
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Yeah, it's interesting that you mentioned elementary school students because I thought of little expelled Trevor. But I must clearly state I should have been expelled.
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And one thing that struck me about what you said, they should have created a space where Demon Trevor could have thrived. And I'm just... I would love for you to kind of speak a lot more about your abolitionist politics, because I think that is the thread that runs through everything you believe, whether it's Israel and Palestine, reproductive justice...
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how we approach universities, you kind of have this worldview that everyone can kind of be redeemed and fixed. And that kind of starts in the childhood arena of how we do elementary school, which I'm really curious about because I'm currently going through the process of trying to get a little Trevor.
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So I'd love to know more of that because you have this very compassionate, I think, lens on the Trump voter that people may be surprised that someone like yourself has because no one thinks about the fact that, oh, these people do love their children and it's expressed by this antagonist. So I'd love to hear it.
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Trevor, you're so traumatized. We're traumatized African kids.
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Ruha, it's interesting you say that. The thing that made me come across you, not first, but a very viral moment, you gave a commencement speech at your alma mater, Spelman College, and you said black faces in high places will not save us. And for some people who really believe in like representation politics, they jump up against that idea. They think, no, we need black faces in high spaces.
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What brought you to that conclusion? Because it's a very radical one. And also, like, I would say kind of cynical as well. I mean, I'm a cynical person, but I'm just interested about what about your life path brought you to that place? It doesn't matter if it's a black person at the top. Yes. This system is rotten.
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He's saying AI can't gaslight us. No, no, no, no.
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Yeah. I get what you mean. But you know me. I'm just scared of the machines.
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Yeah, no, I completely understand.
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I think it's a tool for censorship, though.
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Because I can't tell them how to articulate their experience. Exactly. So if we invert that, if we say, well, I believe it's a genocide. This is a chant that I choose to use as an ally. If I then in turn say, well, your language is problematic and it's insulting to me. I'm not allowed to do that. No.
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My view is if we really do have free speech, if we have freedom of thought and expression and views, everything is fair game. You know my favorite saying, racists have outlets too. It's the fact that people should be free to say what they like, and I resent that policing instinctively on either side.
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I've always kind of thought that's a straw man argument, just because if we look at the state of society today and who has actual power, you know, these people aren't talking about freedom of speech. We know people are free to say what they say. But the people who bear the most consequences, I think, seem to be the most radical, especially if we think about it.
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The brunt. of the consequences have the more radical view. Which I think is normal in a society. Right now, it's very hard to find a professor on probation for being pro-Israel. Let's be clear.
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probation for being pro-Palestine. And it's the chance of the people who align with Palestine who are being censored and making me uncomfortable.
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Yeah, you are. I'm a product of girl school. Yeah, and so...
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It's going to be tough for you mixed race people, isn't it? Don't worry about us.
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Dominican, Nigerian, Puerto Rican, Brazilian, British and American. They're going to be the only ones in the lab.
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I actually had a follow-up question. You have been an activist alongside the students in the pro-Palestine movement, kind of become the, I'd say, the professorial face of this movement at Princeton. And because of your stance, you've been suspended.
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And that is what you're talking about when you're talking about Black administrators and the protests against genocide, etc., in the light of diversity and inclusion. Can you speak more about that? Because you're putting your career on the line. Absolutely. There's people out there who are like, what's Palestine got to do with you? So I'm really curious about that.
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I'm curious, Ruha, as like Trevor teases me all the time because I'm a bit of a champagne socialist, right? So I'm always very curious about the people that it goes from theory, like you write all these books, to actual praxis. Like you are on probation right now. You know, you're not working because of what you believe in.
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What is it about you and your history that means you're like, oh, this can't just be what I write about. It has to be what I live.
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Oh, he does.
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Yeah, he is.
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Oh, okay.
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PC culture. PC culture.
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With Doge.
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Perhaps more.
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Oh, you know, I have a vendetta against dolphins.
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Dolphins are like rapists. They're like the most evil, horrible... No, okay, I don't agree with this. Nope. Dolphins? Tell your story.
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I am very anti-dolphin. Tell me the story.
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I know that dolphins are capable of rape. They often do rape. Okay. Just like male cats.
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And... Pigs are incredibly intelligent.
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No, but my point is, no, because like at the Daily Show, it's like a bit about how much I hate dolphins. And I seem like a weirdo because I hate dolphins. But I'm just saying that there are some animals that are capable of like being incredibly cruel.
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Okay. But what I'm trying to say, I'm actually disagreeing with our friend Rutgers here. Like...
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I think men are the chimpanzees. You know, I want all the restraints on men and everyone else is fine. You already know, like, I'm a misandrist in the making. Wow. You're just going to throw us all under the bus at the same time. Yeah, men are predators. Men are scary. I don't speak to men after 5 p.m. that aren't like my husband or Trevor or my dad. I don't speak to men after 5 p.m.
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But aren't like, they have to be vetted like Trevor or like my husband and my son. Wow. And my life has never been better.
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No, I drive perpetually terrified.
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Because I live in Los Angeles.
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That's not morality. That's just a reason. I believe humans are rational.
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Have you been to a park recently, Trevor?
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Okay, so... I understand what you're both saying, Rutger, Trevor.
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Like, Rutger, I mean, I objected to your work because you don't like Hobbes, and I agree with Hobbes. I have a very, like, dismal view of human nature.
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The old British philosopher. I have a Leviathan poster in my bedroom. No, but I think, and maybe it's... I think actually becoming a parent has probably deepened my... not pessimism, it's fear. That's where I'm speaking from. And a lot of people have this genuine fear of other human beings, of systems, of institutions right now.
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And I think a pronounced version of that is like the Trump voter who's like, I want the wall. I don't want immigrants. Or it's like a mother like myself who like doesn't believe in sleepovers because I'm like, I don't want my kid getting molested. And everyone's like to me, you're crazy. And I'm like, well, child molesters everywhere. They're like, are they really? But like,
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I think for a lot of people who are afraid for valid reasons or, you know, you'll read the newspaper and they'll say crime is down. But, like, people feel like crime is up. Like, women won't jog in a park at night, you know.
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So it's really hard, I think, for myself and for a lot of people to reconcile this idea of, like, a good world and people being kind with, like, your lived experience, I guess. And I think as a parent, I feel that acutely because I'm, like, everywhere I go, I, like, grab my kids' hands, right?
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Yeah. I think what I'm struggling with is I grew up in a very like communal culture. So there was a lot of trust with like... Leave your baby outside. Leaving your baby at people's houses and you're like, I have to work. I do the night shift. I'm going to come pick up my kid when I can. Like it's that type of culture.
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And I think in like this like hyper capitalist weird world where there are no communal bonds, like... You don't even know the name of your neighbors. It becomes really hard to be like, well, your neighbor is probably trustworthy and kind and somebody that is as valuable as yourself.
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I think that our atomization is contributing to this very real fear of other people and people just hoarding their resources. So it kind of becomes like this self-fulfilling prophecy in a way, but the way we live our lives, I think, informs it a lot.
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Yeah, I think your experience is also like informed by the body you're in, you know? So my experience as a black woman when I go to Nigeria and they kind of clock me as a westerner means like we can get money.
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You're a white woman.
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I can get money out of this one. You know, may vary in certain parts of Los Angeles. And, you know, so maybe lots of people in the world are like, you know what? When I come into a space, people aren't welcoming. And then that reinforces this idea.
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Are humans really kind? Are groups really kind? And as you said, it benefits these billionaires.
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I want to preface this. I'm actually an abolitionist. No, I know you are. I don't even believe in police. But I guess what I'm trying to say is that like... The way my perception is shaped as a woman is that like the violence. Completely. It's not, I'm not, I'm afraid of straight, you know, I don't like men in general.
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That's why the table is like this size. I mean, just to keep you. It's often, it's not just strange men, it's familiar men, right? And so it's just like, I think for some groups, it's really, I find tremendous safety in other women. Now, if it was a world where it's just like my community of women and my friends around me, they're who I lean on the most.
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And I'm like, oh, if the world was them, I'd feel differently. And I say that as someone that's like generally very optimistic about myself. I wouldn't have moved to America if I wasn't an optimistic person. But I've had these like core experiences that have shown me that I guess it was a lot of racism. People are wicked, right? It was a racism I received as like a child in the classroom.
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I'm raising my children to be like, it's a world out there and I have a son and I'm like, at a certain age, your boyhood ends much earlier than a kid with blonde hair and blue eyes. So there's certain things, you know, you can't do in public. Like you can't throw a tantrum past 10 because someone may call law enforcement.
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So I think like the idealized worldview often comes, can come when you're kind of like a person who is automatically given the benefit of the doubt. And I think for people like myself and people that are like in far worse positions, that doesn't happen. And so you don't necessarily experience the kind world, even if you put kindness out there.
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No, don't come here.
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You know, but this is what I do think. Can I say something? All of it. I think the light bearers like Rutger, the nice white people, should go out there and do this type of work. I think what he's doing is very important because he's the type of person people listen to. You can have the ear of an entrepreneur and an activist. Because of your position, you're listened to and respected.
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And you're using your white privilege, male privilege for good. I think it's like, this is actually the ideal. This is what you should use it for. That I agree with. You know what I mean? That I agree with.
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Ten year fucking history of disagreeing. This is us.
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Love it. Where's your cut up point? Like what's the income where you won't throw shade? I'm very curious about that. What's the number?
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I say Trevor's optimistic because he's like, he's like the chosen one, like Obama of South Africa. Everything's gone right for him.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
everything has gone you were born right at the perfect he's like mixed race everything has gone apartheid fooled he's you know everything has gone right for me John Stewart quits he's fooled like I just feel like he's like got this like good karma yes you know what I mean so I'd be optimistic about Trevor yeah I'd love the world but this is the thing this is the thing that I believe yeah
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
No, I don't think you do.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
You know I carry a box cutter in my handbag.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
Do you know what I'm saying?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
It's already happening. Oh, well, there you go. There's an anti-timeout movement right now.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
I know. I do believe... Listen, I want to be clear so everyone doesn't think like I'm complete pessimist. No, no.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
I'm optimistic about myself. I keep telling you guys. But everyone... I just... I... Because, you know, there's so many people in my life I love because of their kindness, right? So it'd be ridiculous for me to say. It's just I struggle with the idea of humanity as kind because of the way where we are right now. But that can change. I'm open to my mind being changed.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
I completely agree because I'm from England. And whenever I go home, I'm like, this country is so poor. And I'm going to say that because Americans can skew your perception of what money is. Because there's just so much money here. Everything is so expensive.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
There was a piece in the New York Times recently about how they are giving financial aid to families that make $800,000 a year to attend private school. Because even though they have $800,000 a year... They cannot afford to send their kids to these private schools, which cost about $70,000 a year. And if you have two, three kids, do the numbers. And that's kind of the class that does pay taxes.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
I actually love veganism like as a way of life. It's just like, I think it's, I think it's crazy. I like Chanel.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
And sometimes you live in a place where even though in the abstract, you know, you're like among the wealthiest in the world. You're like, how am I going to pay for gas? How am I going to pay for my accommodation? How am I going to give my kids a better life? So you can be rich here and feel really poor. Right.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
Yeah, but I guess my thing is on the billionaire front, I think the fact that these billionaires exist seems like a profound failure. Yeah. I agree. No, but I agree. No, no, no. I agree with that. I'm just like, a billion of a thing is a lot. It's just like one billion. Like, how did we get here? That's my question.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
In any system, because we know that under socialism, there are people that hoard and steal and also have a billion. So I'm like, shouldn't we be in a world where we're like, do we want billionaires? Like, forget them paying more taxes. I'm even like to the left of you. I'm like, I just don't think they should exist.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
She just means that the financial thing. I love all the founders.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
No, but I just honestly believe that like that's an expression. Like you and I say intensive farming is a failure of your imagination. I believe like the fact that we're like.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
Yeah, I just think to be a billionaire, you have to hoard. And I don't believe in wealth hoarding. I think it's because like to you speaking about Occupy World Shoot, the thing that bothered people is that like the gap between the have and the have nots has widened so much. And it's been at the benefit of this billionaire class.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
So I can't I can't just imagine any world where we're like we're OK with having that if somebody makes five or seven thousand dollars more a year. Like so I'm basically telling you next time you go to Davos. You should be like, forget paying more taxes. You guys need to give all your money away. Men's is never going back.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
Rutger, I'm really curious. For people at home who have some sort of moral ambition but don't know how to channel it and they don't necessarily want to go vegan, what can you do in your little patch of the world to make it better?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
And for many different reasons.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
He's also a guy that gives away tons of money all the time without even thinking about it. He gives everyone money.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
Not too much now, Trevor. No, no, no. It's true. It's true. I'm from Brixton.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
Oh, yeah. And then you cross, you go past the tube station. You're like, what's going on here? Exactly.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
You know, it's interesting maybe because now I compare the US to the UK a lot more. Now I've lived here for like nearly 10 years. And, you know, when I go back to the UK, everyone's like, oh my God, the guns. They're like, oh, the guns and health care and obviously Trump and the other lady that was trying to be president. You live in a crazy place.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
But the thing I have noticed is kind of like this because of austerity. I don't know how much you know about the Tory government. It's kind of like this urban, suburban, rural blight. You can see the lack of investment. in people and the country.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
Stores are boarded up. They're dilapidated. Yeah, like where I used to work, I used to work in this department store called Alders, which is now closed in the Whitgift Centre in Croydon. And if you go to the Whitgift Centre now, it used to be this like bustling kind of shopping mall. And now you're like, it's like a ghost town, right? Like this NHS, which is like brilliant, free healthcare.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
But people are like, I'm on a list for two years to get a knee replacement. And when I go into central London, a lot of the wealth I see is foreign wealth. I don't necessarily come across people like, I was born and raised in London and I made my dream come true here. So, you know, I just see the gap between the have and the have not seems to be getting wider everywhere.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
But in America, it's more acute because there's just so much money here. if that makes sense.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman [VIDEO]
Sounds like a Japanese TV show, like The Toddler and the Pig. Toddler vs. Pig. Which one shops better?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I mean, Biden was pretty significant about climate change and infrastructure.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I mean, but they intersect. There's a huge overlap.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
And then you're going to help a lot of people of color.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
But Scott, don't you think it's still concerning that 70% of the people who are poor are people of color?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I mean, I've never felt that diversity.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
What part of London? Marylebone. Oh, what made you choose London?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I do want to say something. It's actually shown that when Black people do acquire some wealth or high income, because of the communities we're connected to, a disproportionate amount of that income goes to other family members or friends. So Black rich is actually very different from white rich.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
If we talk about that Black kid at Harvard or Princeton, maybe they are like one or two generations away from having someone who wasn't a college graduate. So I think we should be careful when we do talk about the Black community. affluent class who are apparently getting all these handouts.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
You sound like a great husband.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I mean, I don't think the solve for all of this is black people, Asian people, whatever group to become rich. Or even the solve that we have for the white male crisis.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
And it's going to deepen with the great wealth transfer that's going to happen with the boomers. I think we have to acknowledge that. When the boomer generation pass on their wealth, they're calling it the great wealth transfer. And that is going to deepen the inequity between black minority groups and white millennials in ways that is unprecedented.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
They don't. They're also more likely to live in a poorer neighborhood. The New York Times did a great story on affluent black people who had the same income.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
Oh, nice. So you have the citizenship?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
Scott, what I wanted to say is I completely agree with you. And I think what you have is a very fair reading. But I worry about us losing the nuance of the collective experience that certain groups in this country have that are different.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
So your parents are British, but you were born in America.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I agree. I don't even have a kid, Christiana. Stop bullying me. This is what happens.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
And are your parents still in America? Yeah.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
Oh, so they stayed. Does he still have his accent?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
Okay, and now this is where I bring in the race stuff, right? Black women overwhelmingly voted for Vice President Harris. Whose sons in this country are doing the worst? Who is going from the school to prison pipeline? Who is disproportionately impacted by marijuana being illegal? Who's disproportionately interrupted by the carceral state, whether it's being stopped and frisked?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
It is black men in this country. 100%. So why didn't Black mothers do that? Because we care about our sons, too. I know I care about my son. Why didn't they make the same decision? And their sons are also, if they're not in prison, they're downstairs playing video games as well.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I can tell you why that is.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
some of the immigration sentiment really resonated. Really resonated. And Tressie talks about it all the time, the idea of black jobs. A lot of people laughed at Trump when he said that thing about black jobs. But for a lot of black women, they're like, I know the jobs he's talking about, the jobs that my brother used to do and my uncle did and my father did.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
So I think the immigration sentiment... also spoke to them and also VP Harris. They weren't, some black women weren't fans of hers and they didn't feel like they should have to vote for her based on their identity. But I just, I kind of rub up against the idea that this cohort of white women voted because they're worried about their sons.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I think perhaps they wanted to be protected under patriarchy, which is a very rational decision. And I don't, I mean, I may have feelings about it, but they're probably siding with their husbands. Yeah.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
And what made your parents leave the UK?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
But those women don't, these women can't have babies that shifted. But they're not worried about getting an abortion. They're in menopause.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
Man, that's from Glasgow.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
Well, Glasgow was a bad time.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I'm from London, South London.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I came out in 2014. That's been a while. So, yeah, I came out when I was like...
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
26 just about to turn 27 yeah I've been here 10 years now but I'm thinking about what my exit is and when I talk to Trevor about it all the time oh really we should talk about that yeah I'm just like I'd like to have a foot in each world like how can I build my career so I'm like partially in LA partially in London because I don't know how you feel but I find London very like grounding and like grounded in a way that I haven't found in the US yeah as much as US has lots of opportunity and all of that I'm just like
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
Yeah, I've got three kids.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I mean, I love it. I'm a Nigerian woman. I love weddings. I love the idea of a society making people get married. I've been trying to get this guy to get married for years. No, no, no, you haven't. You haven't.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
But the reason they got more... At point, they got more recruits than Al-Qaeda is because they paid you a bit more.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
So it's just like they gave them jobs.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
But Scott, don't you think it points to the fact that a lot of men don't care about men? Because I think about the woman in my life, not just mothers, sisters, friends. We spend a lot of time worrying about the men and boys in our life. Give the example of... A single mother is just with her son. Now, if a mother is absent from a friend's life, other women will step in and fill that woman's role.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
Why aren't men saying, well, there's a single mother down the street, or I have a family member that's single. Why aren't men stepping in? Why don't men care about men and boys?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
Can I tell you an idea I have? I wish more men made men who are bad fathers a pariah. Like if you have a friend that doesn't see his kid, he shouldn't be a friend.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
And I feel a lot of compassion. I think any failed promise, whoever it's made to, I feel a lot of compassion for those people.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I think that you should become a social pariah if you don't look after your kids. You should become... No, because I... And I'll say this, and I've seen it in my community a lot. There are deadbeats, and there is no consequence. Their friends still roll with them, their mother still let them in their house, and they do not show up for their kids.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
And if a woman... does not look after her child. If a woman even comes back to work early, I've had people DM me like, you had a baby eight weeks ago. Who's with the baby? Right? Like, I ostensibly think I'm doing a good thing. Do you know what I mean? And a woman who is not seen as a perfect mother is judged and vilified. And absent fathers, there is no social consequence.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
So I'm saying there should be a social consequence for not showing up for your son.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I normally see the inverse. I think, and it's evolutionary biology. They say that, what's the saying? That it's a mother's baby's father's maybe. A man is more likely to treat his... his sister's child with more love than he is his mate's child or his wife's child. They've done studies on this because you know your sister's child is related to you.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
All that to say, I believe a man's relationship with his children I know this is not going to be a popular thing to say, it's often connected to how he feels about the children's mother. Yes, no, but I agree with that. So for the most part, it's men being like, I split up with you, I see you less. He gets a second wife and he's a really good dad to those second set of kids.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I see that all the time. Less so do I see women, and I'm not saying that these villainous women don't exist, who say you can't see your kid. I think that's a cultural trope we've made up.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I think we're making a lot of excuses for men because mothers can't do the same thing.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
Okay, Scott, I think a relationship is one thing. My husband, interestingly enough, was raised by a single mother, but had great male role models in his grandfather and his uncle. So I actually get concerned about how little trauma he has. That's my worry with him. But he has this incredible group of male friends.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
They're really tight and they've all become dads at the same time and they take their kids out together. And I'm really struck by how much he invests time in his friendship. And even in that group of men, there's about seven to eight of them. A couple of them aren't married yet, but they're still involved. So if there's a birthday, they'll fly in, et cetera, et cetera.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I kind of rub up against the idea that having a mate is the only arena these men can find care because I see a lot of women marry men and they're like, now I have someone to babysit.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
Isn't there a way that we can encourage young men to invest in their friendships and in a brotherhood and in their communities in a way that means even if you don't have a romantic relationship, you still have a really rich and fulfilled life because this world where my daughters are going to grow up
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
And okay, the man does have a job or whatever, but she's going to have to look after him all the time. And if she doesn't, he falls off the rails. I'd rather like it be a man who has a really rich interior life and social network. And if he's married or not, or if he has a girlfriend or not, it doesn't matter. It's not as socially devastating.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
Or the way we can perhaps make it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I'm not an optimist. I'm just saying that we have that in common.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I think it depends on the friends. I like my husband's friends.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
This is different. I don't really like men. There's a boys club and they leave me alone.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
They become these dangerous men.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
I have a question, Scott. I love the recommendations you get, you've given to men. As a parent, as parents at home listening to this, they're raising like preteen adolescents. What are the things that they can do to kind of push their sons along the right track? Is it delaying giving them a smartphone? Is it putting them in clubs? Not all boys are athletic. Do you know what I mean?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
Well, the thing is, Scott, I think the reason why what Trump is doing, from a geopolitical perspective, it's like a bad decision if we think about the real politic. But to the regular American who's worried about the price of eggs, right? Who is just like, I'm worried about my employment. I'm worried about the schools my kids go to. I'm worried about the housing crisis that's ongoing.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
And they hear, you sent how much to Ukraine?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
So how do we kind of speak to those people and get them to see the other perspective?