Christiana
Appearances
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
Comedians don't shadow anybody. But the way that I shadowed when I was working at, like, a regular job was to do a mini version of the job.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
I don't think that's shadowing. That's not shadowing. That's an unpaid internship.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
Maybe we should vote then.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
Yeah. That's why I gained a respect, because then they would hand it to me. And then you would see how hard it is. So I thought shadow meant... No... Because you know how your shadow is attached to you? Like, I thought that you had to be doing some of the... But your shadow doesn't do anything, though.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
No, I guess not. Now, knowing what the understood shadow is, I'd say no.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
Yeah, I thought shadow.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
Here's the thing. I'm going to vote no with you, but for very different reasons. Like, I feel like I don't love the sounds and I'd rather not hear them. You're misunderstanding me. You're misunderstanding me. No one loves the sounds.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
I mean, I wish I wasn't in there when I'm in there. You wish you weren't in there. That's the point. Yeah. That's the point. But the sound, I would say, needs to be left... up to the environment because I went to the bathroom and there was a guy who fell, right? And we know he fell because he was like, ah, ah, I fell, right? Inside one of the- In the stall. Okay.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
And if it had been soundproof, who knows? No one would have helped him. Yeah.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
No, no, I got mine rolled to me.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
No, it has more. It's unrolling as it rolls. It travels the way that it exists. Oh, so you left the part of it that had... Yeah, so basically, I was in a bathroom in a restaurant that was out of toilet paper, and I had to wait until somebody came in. And so then I was like, hey, I need help. And the person was like, OK, I got you. Right. And then they left and they never came back.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
They didn't have me. Wow. And then someone else eventually came in. I was like, hey, I need some help. I need toilet paper. And they were like, oh, I got you. OK. And then they left and I was worried they wouldn't come back. But they came back. They had the big old roll. Yeah. That big roll that you install. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he bowled it under to me. And it was a it was a real hero move.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
No, because I started thanking him, and then he left. Because he knew I was wiping while I was thanking him, and I think that was too much for him.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
It's actually why it's so hard to change the world. Look at all those proposals. It really is. Only one thing. People don't think big enough.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
I mean, they had me with the first sentence. I don't know why they would ruin it with the second one.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
What, you want the Wi-Fi?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
Yeah, but if you're in the business class and you bore it later, that's more time to be in the lounge potentially. If you really think about this as like a real champagne capitalist, right?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
Let all the pores get on first, right?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
No, you don't because they save it for business class. They're supposed to save it. The only people who lose it are the people in the middle. They're screwed no matter who boards.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
I'm on a plane. It's nice to be unreachable. Yes. So I agree with that. And that's why I would say, even though I'm not fully in favor of the Wi-Fi thing, there are certain movies that I don't even try to watch unless I'm on a plane. There's there's got to watch it right away. Wait till it comes out on streaming plane. Yes. And so I think if I had Wi-Fi on the plane, I wouldn't.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
You wouldn't watch them. I wouldn't watch them.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
You have to board from back to front because the chaos that happens afterwards. The way that we do it now, we're late every time. They have to make up time in the air on the last five flights I've been on because we get to the back and they said that it was full, but then everybody's like, I'll risk it. And they're sitting in all these different areas.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
And so now people have to go to the back because that's the only place in any space. But then people who finally get to the back who were boarding last because they're group Z, they're the ones that are like, but this should have been my space. Now there's an argument. You got to board...
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
uh all bosses are selected by employee votes no oh that's that's a beautiful way to lose a company that's democracy is bad like you can't if you because this is the thing i'm a pretty likable guy it doesn't mean i'm effective Touche, my friend. So it's like everyone might vote for me to be their boss. They know I won't say no to PTO. So now because I never say no to PTO, I'm the only one at work.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
And then the company is losing hella money. We're hemorrhaging.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
Yes, because it's a lot like a government program where they don't really help you. I would rather have no toilet paper in there than toilet paper I can see through when I look at it in my hand.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
It's sharp, but it's thicker.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
Yeah, when you try to wrap one ply, you can't make two ply.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
The way that my fingers have broken through one ply.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
Intentionally. No, not intentionally. Intentionally. Yes, I have had to use...
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
I'm not saying I wish all the toilet paper out of my life. I'm just saying that one ply is so bad.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
That's like part of the problem, actually. There would be more kids in extracurriculars if some of them weren't at like 7 a.m.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
Yeah. So like some of the clubs, like for instance, I did Quiz Bowl when I was in high school. You did what? It's like trivia for high school. I was a virgin. You did what? I just want to know what this is. Quiz Bowl is like...
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
Okay, it's like, imagine Jeopardy, but for everybody, and you go up against other schools, and you do Jeopardy pretty much, but it's not like the structure of picking off the board. It's like, I'm going to ask you one of the most random questions you've ever heard. You might know the answer, you might not, but your school gets points if you do.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
It's all Jeopardy type things.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
But it's more specific than general knowledge, which is also- And you did this at what time? It would be, maybe I went there at seven. Who designs your schools?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
They've done studies where they're like, that's why we think they're dumb because they don't sleep enough. And then we try to teach them. And then at least I'm just talking about in the States, we try to teach them and they're tired. Then we give them a test and then they fail. And then we're like, okay, moving on to the next more difficult subject.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If You Ruled the World: A Listener Grab Bag [VIDEO]
What do we define by shadow? I think shadow means, like, do the job as well.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
If Arsenal wins. You see it. It's a thing.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
This is what I need. Tressie, you came here to be on my side. No, I'm not on your side.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Because I think the Democrats have now been able to occupy this position of being more progressive on race. And I have not met more racist people than the liberal... The liberal white people in New York who won't even send their kids to public school. Yeah. Like just the and the really subtle psychological warfare reminds me of the racism in England. You know, it's like so.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
It's a prophetic story. That's an interesting reading. You think a man could have tricked Eve into eating the apple? Do you think? Okay, let me ask you the question. I don't even want to go down there. No, no, no.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
I think he got her to eat the apple and he lied about it. And now we read the book.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
I'm with the lying thesis. I like the lying thesis.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
No, I'm going to say something sexist about women. Let's not do this.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Women have to. Women have to.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
I know a lot of women who are all about the male gaze. And if a man told them to eat an apple and God told them not to, they would do it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
I'll agree with that. But I wanted to say something about this app experiment that the women did. I don't think that would happen in 2025 because I'm noticing a lot of women getting conservative. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm seeing it all over my TikTok, my Instagram. Same. I think we're on similar TikToks.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Like the thing about skinniness, how we should dress, about being feminine, being kind of conservative.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
I'm seeing women who were like, a few years ago, I considered pretty progressive, becoming more about like, oh, I want only biological women. What is that about, Tressie?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
You know it when you see it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
You will know when you see it. Also with black women, the natural hair movement, I think, is pretty much like.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Is that for black women? All women. All women.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
okay so this is what I think about I don't think men are safe like the way I was maybe and maybe it's just like the way I was raised was like have your own money like wait you mean help me you mean like men are dangerous or you mean men are not safe I mean men are dangerous but that's just but they're not a safe backup plan a man is not a financial plan okay go go go your grandmother was like my grandmother yeah my mom was always like we spent too much on your education for you to become a stay at home mother and then my dad's like don't you her choice but there's this argument I'm like
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
My mom's like, we invested in these girls. That's right. And part of that is a fear of what a man will do to you if he dies or if he leaves you. So you always need to have your own means. And my mom was like, even if you're just selling cakes and you're at home with your kids, have your little pocket money.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
But now I'm seeing a lot of women, and my circle is a lot of women of color who are like, I want to be a stay-at-home girlfriend, stay-at-home wife. I want a soft life.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
People are like, I'll even settle the house.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Do you know what she put up with for the bag to be procurable? But it's become a meme. There's a meme now like, oh, I wish we could go back and tell those women why to... Women and say like, what were you thinking? Why would you fight for us to have the right to work? I hate work.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
So the car is there. The car's there.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Guys, he says it's all computer. So he's never been in a Tesla.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Oh, and can I say something? For some reason, every American city I've lived in, I've been there at a crucial, catastrophic event. So I was in New York during COVID. I was in Austin, Texas when the first snowstorm happened that collapsed a grid. So we had no power and had this one-year-old child and it was freezing cold. And no help came, right? People even died in that.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
And, you know, there was people that used their fireplaces. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I also was in L.A. during the fires.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
No, no, I'm the problem. It's me. But, like, L.A. during the fires, and it's like you're using this app, actually, which is telling you where all the fires are and how contained they are, et cetera, et cetera. And that's when you kind of realize that you're like... Oh, this is teetering on the edge, especially in Texas. Yes.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
When it was like, oh, this is a grid that's not connected to any other grid. This is a state with no income tax, only has property taxes. So it's not like there's like voluminous income to like help people.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Yeah. And you're like, I think that's already what happened in North Carolina. This stuff is already happening. We're having these events that are showing you if America gets into like a real disaster. That's right. It's going to fall apart very quickly. And like the L.A. fires was the moment I was like, oh, there wasn't enough water.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
But this guy could get a private fire service to protect his malls.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
And I guarantee he's going to be mayor. I think he's going to run again for mayor. And people are like, oh, he needs to be our mayor. Because look, he kept his malls. He solved the problem.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Oh, in a convenience store. I don't remember. Was that on the campaign trail?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
I'd be like, let me get you assessed. Let's find out what's going on here.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Yeah. My quote from him is when he said, people are dying who have never died before.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
A lot of politicians, if they're accusing like the Pelosi or the Clinton class, really don't know what ordinary people are feeling, right? And for some reason, he's able to be tuned in on the culture wars in ways that like surprised me.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Well, Kanye, I think he has a brain injury. He kind of went through a car. Right? He had that. He's got traumatic brain injury.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
To me, it's like, you know those athletes with CTE? Yes. Who like kill their wives.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
He's got traumatic brain injury and bipolar and a billion dollars. Put those three things together.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Yeah, I'm just like, yeah, I think he's got TBI.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
I'm like, the world's just too complicated for that. That's true. I think the thing I am still fascinated by is the Trump voter. Oh, yeah. I'm curious about the psychology of the, and I know a bunch of Trump voters. Why are you hanging it out? Because people tell me their truth. That's why.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Because I think that when he first came to power, the liberal media establishment spent a long time being like, oh, it's because of their economically disempowered and then the data show that they weren't economically disempowered. It said they are afraid of being in these diverse neighborhoods with lots of immigrants.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
And it kind of showed that, well, that's not the neighborhoods they were living in. We've never been able to understand these people. And instead of them diminishing, it seems like there's more of them and there's more consensus. And I think there's lots of simple explanations to why they do what they do. But he understands that.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Right? So I want to understand the people he understands. Yeah. Because he understands his voter more than anybody else in the world.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
He said, I can say they're eating cats and dogs and my people are not going to care. And he knows where the kind of like, what was it, the third rail is. Like, Trump knows where not to go. Right? Yes. In ways that...
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Right. He knew saying black jobs would resonate with the foundational black Americans on Twitter.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
And they were like, yeah, we know what he's talking about. Yeah. So he understands them, but many other people don't understand them, especially the Democrats, the people saving democracy and trying to stave off fascism.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
Well, they claim to be doing.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
But that's not what I'm talking about.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom [VIDEO]
But I think it's the way he's able to intuit what people's problems are. Being a man with no problems.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
Yeah, and also I was going to say, I know you both voted yes. I should mention 90 Day Fiancé. Fascinating look into...
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
Can you give me like more concrete examples?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
He felt a bit ganged up on or what was that?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
Okay, but this, oh, before you go on the pain, I think I get where you're going with this and I may be able to follow. I think it needs a bit of refinement. Are you open to refinement? Yeah, open to refinement. All right, let's go.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
So I feel like you may be conflating being willfully dumb and maybe being malicious or maybe being opportunistic. I think we're talking about different things.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
Some people are willfully ignorant, but not necessarily malicious intent. Like you can be willfully ignorant and you can share, you can be like, you don't need vaccines, drink celery juice. But that's not coming from a malicious place.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
Yeah, they actually think they're being helpful.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
This is a very karmic view of the universe.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
How would they feel the pain? Who administers it?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
This is so dystopian.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
Another question. If somebody is like determined in their willful stupidity and they're constantly feeling pain, does it get to a point where they die? Yeah.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
You still have the same life expectancy.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
Silver's great, but I didn't know people were drinking it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
And they will look like what they're going through.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
What age does the pain thing start?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
I'll change my vote to yes. Okay. So as somebody who recently gave birth and has given birth without drugs and has a very high pain threshold, like I 3D printed a human through my vagina, Josh. And I was nine months pregnant.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
I think you underestimate how, and then there's people that live with chronic pain, how pain can kind of just become ambient. I think you're describing very damaged people right now. I think Alex Jones needs to do a lot of spiritual work, not to like psychologize him, but this is a very damaged person.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
And there are certain types of people that A, have a high pain threshold, are used to chronic pain. Pain is always ambient. And there are some people who thrive off pain.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
There are people who thrive of pain.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
I know this woman called Laura Checkaway. She made this great documentary called Lucky about this girl who I think lives in the Bronx and she's like really charismatic and beautiful. And she's covered in tattoos, right? Yeah. And she says in the documentary, see, I shit it on documentary, but that's actually a really good documentary.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
She says, they were like, why do you have all these tattoos on your face? And she'd had a really tough life. And she says, I can't really locate the pain I feel emotionally. So every time I get a tattoo, I can feel the pain physically.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
I'm paraphrasing it now and it made me look at like you know psychic pain a bit differently and look at people that have lots of piercings and people that have lots of tattoos like they're actually trying to physically experience something that they only experience emotionally and can't often locate and I think that we're talking about very emotionally damaged people if you're like willfully putting bad information in the world for your own gain and I think you underestimate
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
how many people, for whatever reasons, maybe they've had really tough lives or maybe they're sociopathic, who would actually enjoy that sensation of pain. It's making them feel something.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
I feel like Trump is in that category because of his own damage. He likes to feel like the thing that we're like, everyone thinks you're awful. You're a nasty person. He gets a rush from that pain and that criticism. And I do fear you would create a world where people would seek out that pain.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
Damn. We're already in a world where people self-harm for various reasons. And I'm just like, there's part of the human experience where pain can be very validating and offers release. My worry is that some of these bad actors feeling the pain are just going to do more bad things. And that's why it's a no. Not because I don't think it's a good idea.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
I do like the underlying rules and there's something there. No, I'll keep working on it. I keep working on it. You know what I mean?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
We're going to workshop it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
That's what George W. Bush is doing now. He's making art. That means some really dark stuff is going down if you have to make art.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
Me, oh, I need to do the washing. Oh, I need to do- That's fine.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
But the best way to learn about sex is sometimes experiential.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
Okay, but Trevor, why not just do the school of sex first before you have to do the thoughts?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
Wouldn't the school of sex help resolve that?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
That's okay. Failure's okay.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
People fail at sex all the time.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
Okay. I've got a couple of things. You can ask as many questions as you like. So there's this guy I follow on TikTok. I forget his name. I think we should have him on the show.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
the show yeah he's a phd he's a professor who studies like boyhood and manhood and one of the studies they did was about what men think about during sex okay and they got these men to speak to you know i don't know how they conduct this experience but probably all lies but carry on no and it was very revealing men said they think about other men in the sense they think about what they're going to tell their friend about this sexual experience who are these guys
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
Anyway, he goes through all of these things.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]
Now he's become anti-intellectual because he doesn't like it. No, these are lies.
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Okay, Josh, Josh. But he was just saying, it was interesting. Let's just ask Josh. And the men think about their insecurities. Men think, what does she think about my body? Men, it was like very vulnerable.
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And my thing is, I don't know if men are ready for what women think about them during sex. Because some of it is not very nice. That's great. And you can go away with a lasting scar about what she thinks about your physical appearance.
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And I think there's a reason thoughts are private. I was going to say privates are private.
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Because there are no thoughts.
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No, because you're forcing their thoughts.
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But no, because you change it.
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Have you smelled farts?
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No, because when you have kids, you just blame it on one of the kids.
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But you're consenting to the fart coming out because you're comfortable. But I'm not consenting to the thought coming out. And if I consent to the thought coming out, I just say it. That's why we have mouths.
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You want to end a bunch of marriages.
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No, but what if somebody is thinking about an ex or thinking about what they watched during sex?
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People have had sex along the way. Sure, but you've had sex along the way. You hear a thought and someone's just like, oh, her titties are lopsided. You shagged them. I think you're just, and I love why the intention behind it. Like I'm not hating on it, for real. You want like this radical transparency and honesty and freedom. And intimacy.
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It could be funny and interesting. Humans are very emotional and it could hurt.
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Because I'm married. I'm just in married and couple lands.
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What does this mean for casual sex? Because most sex, really, that people are having, whether it's someone you swiped on Tinder or Grindr, it's a stranger. It could be someone you met at a club.
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What does it mean for casual sex?
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Because then it could be like an encounter.
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And the guy's like, oh my God, what if my wife finds out? And you're like, what? Shit, you got what?
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Isn't there something, isn't there like an app that we could, I think there's just something that's an in-between. I think like, I like the school of sex thing that you were talking about that we don't have.
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I think there's lots of steps we can get to before this kind of black mirror world where people know sex exists.
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But I'm not saying it's a terrible, it just feels like the most extreme version of this problem we're trying to solve.
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Why don't you just go to a sex therapist?
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You rule the world. You can give sex therapy away for free.
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I really need you to sell me on what the upside of this is. I'm not focusing on the tension.
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But don't you worry that by creating this shortcut, then people just aren't going to do what I think is the proper work of spending time and getting to know someone. And whether it's your casual hookup or whether it's like people have been together for a long time. if you know their thoughts are just going to be downloaded to you, you're like, I'm not going to ask my wife about her day.
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I just know during sex I'm going to hear about, oh, that bitch in the office was talking about me.
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You're asking me, like, do I want to live in a world where this is true?
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And if you're a sex worker and it's your occupation, sometimes you're at your job and you're not enjoying your job.
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I'm thinking about sex workers.
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And I just feel like for people that do sex work in this universe, because they're going to be sex workers. It's the oldest job in the world. There's no multiverse where you don't have it. I feel like if you're a sex worker and you know that every client is going to have insight into what you're thinking, it makes the job harder. And their work is hard enough as it is.
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Yeah, actually, that's a good point.
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No surprises. I'm going to vote no. But I actually do appreciate the problem you're trying to solve.
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And I think... If the steps before getting to this brain thing are good steps. And I just worry like an Elon Musk type could hack it.
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The idea is not even perfect. So how can your world be perfect?
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OK, Trevor, because you could sway me to be a yes. If if is there an opt in opt out option?
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So if there's opt-in options.
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Whose vote do you value more?
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Opt-in, opt-out. I think it's great.
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Trevor, let me tell you something about opt-in or opt-out. For couples, that can be the thing that makes it really risky. So like, Are we going to wear the headset tonight?
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So if it's opt-in, opt-out, absolutely. But if it's like a thing that, a feature all humans have in this science fiction.
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Okay, I'm sorry. Then it's a no.
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Oh, they're just funded.
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I've got so many questions. Like, do we have to show up to the barbecues? No, it's just government funded. Who's doing the grilling?
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The neighborhood I live in, I don't know if I'd want the people to make me meat.
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I like the sentiment, though, because she's trying to get people together.
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Yes. I vote yes, because the heart is in the right place.
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It's getting real ableist right now.
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See, I would be like, sometimes I'm in the car, I'm like, oh my God, I like her hairstyle. And I'd love to be able to say it, but they can't hear me. If I could say it with my lights, that'd be amazing.
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I didn't even cross my mind.
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I just, because I do want to vote yes for one of your ideas, Trevor, because I don't think I ever have. I really do. I don't want it. Because, you know, people hit me up. They're like, stop bullying Trevor. And I'm like, I'm not bullying him. He's just like, he says crazy stuff. So as my friend and my brother, I want to support you and your ideas.
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And how would people like read the light? That's what I'm saying.
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Yeah, it's a no for me too.
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Can we like do a coin toss or pull?
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Josh beat me and you beat Josh. So I go first.
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OK, I didn't think I'd lose the game of random. I don't think you lost. OK, if I ruled the world, I would designate mandatory reality TV for everyone over 18 for one hour a week. You can pick whichever show you like, but you have to watch a reality TV show.
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You have to watch a reality TV show.
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Because I actually think reality TV is where so much of real life is playing out that actually like narrative TV doesn't have at the moment. Like reality TV, you see lots of older women grappling with things like alcoholism or drugs.
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divorce or cancer and or you see couples going through nursing somebody who's ill or then you see somebody that like just killed their wife or and they're like different races different classes socio-economic groups it's like a very good picture into the country you live in in a way that
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Often people are very siloed in their like media consumption, whether, you know, Fox News is one thing and MSNBC is another thing. You can watch The Real Housewives of New York, Atlanta, Beverly Hills. You don't know who is a Republican. I fell in love with a woman and it turns out she's a big Trumper, but now I'm in love with her. So it's like there's no going back.
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And it helps you see the humanity in people that you would otherwise not see and get to know people that you probably don't come across in real life. It could be like you're watching a show about the Duggar family that's not on air anymore. And you're like, oh, I'm learning about like evangelical Christians who have all of these children.
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Or The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City is set in Mormon, Utah.
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No, you'd be randomly assigned the show.
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Yeah, you have to do it. You have to be engaged.
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I mean, you can be on your phone. I think a great thing about the reality show experience is that a lot of people tweet, live tweet when they're watching it and they're covering it on Instagram and stuff. So if you want to connect with other viewers via social media, that's great.
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No way, because documentaries are so boring. You've got all those talking heads. They'd be like, oh my God, and there's statistics. I hate documentaries. Oh my God. And especially the vanity documentaries when you've basically got access to the person. So nothing bad comes up. So no, not documentary.
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And people on reality TV are by and large the most shameless human beings on the planet. They are so shameless.
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It shows so much truth. For instance, if you watch The Real Housewives of Potomac right now, Karen Huger is in prison for a DUI. This is a black woman. She called herself the Grand Dame, very sophisticated, upper crust black woman who you didn't even believe was capable of getting drunk and being sloppy. That's the image she put out there.
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And in my personal life, I've been talking about black women and alcoholism. I'm like, I know a lot of black women who drink a lot, right? But it's not something that we talk about publicly. It's in our group chats or whatever. We're seeing it play out at brunch. And Karen is like showing this mirror to like these experiences.
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And then you get, there's lots of people that go to prison for like stuff like a lot of fraud, like insurance fraud and like the time of griftery things that you have these people in these affluent suburbs that do to get their money. That I think is a very American story, but you don't necessarily talk about it.
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So, yeah, you get kind of these shameless people who are a bit narcissistic, who are craving fame or attention. And I think a lot of people want attention in this country. And it makes you fall in love with people that you never thought you would fall in love with, who are very different from you.
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And it will help you understand Trump.
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Because people have never understood Trump.
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He is a product. I think he is a product of reality TV.
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He was a type of person that would go in reality TV.
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No, I actually come from that world. A huge extended family, a huge church family. My husband's an only child, but comes from a big extended family and loads of friends. So my conception of, as much as I had the depth of my clan and my ethnic group, When it was time to dedicate my kids, I flew back to London. So it happened in the home church where I was dedicated in.
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The man that christened me christened my children. Do you know what I mean? I guess what I'm trying to articulate is that for a lot of people, maybe from similar backgrounds as mine, that's our conceit already. The fact that it's not foreign. Do you get where I'm going? Yeah, I hear what you're saying. It's like this extended group and clan. It's very different and it's very diverse.
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Yeah, a couple of times, but I'm from England. Yeah, that's true. So more of a football team culture. No, no, no.
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Listen to the podcast on the way to meet your friends. Yes, exactly. Yes, that's why we love podcasts.
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Robert, I'm really curious about what you think. I'm a millennial and I have younger cousins who are Gen Z and we spend a lot of our time on the internet. I met my spouse through Twitter, as crazy as that sounds. So this is a world where people meet their spouses, whether it's Tinder or Instagram. And then Gen Z, they spend probably a disproportionate amount of their time online.
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And for some people, and I think in my generation and younger, that's where they found their connections. Would you think that's a problem or do you think that can be an alternative third space that maybe can foster that sense of trust?
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I'm a complicated person, Robert. I'm sorry.
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Oh, we get Bob now. We get Bob, okay. Wow, okay. I was going to say Professor Putnam. Oh, please. Yes.
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Let's not talk about me. No, we must talk about you. I'm an addict. But Bob, it's so funny. You mentioned the neighborhood group and the rake. So recently I joined my neighborhood WhatsApp group. And it's very nimby. I thought it was very nimbyish, but there was just like legit concerns about crime in the neighborhood and the LAPD getting out when they would come out.
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And, you know, sometimes people be like, there's someone walking in the neighborhood. This is their description. They're a bit suspicious. And there was one day it got a bit loaded because it was just like, there's a black guy, he's in a hoodie or something like that, you know, very fit the description.
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And it was somebody else in the group who's white said, hey, let's be careful we're not profiled. Like, it was so refreshing for me. No, because I live in a majority white neighborhood. And I'm like, I don't want to be the black person in the group being like, you shouldn't say that. And there's a white guy said, hey, guys, we should be careful. And... people figured it out amongst themselves.
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Because it's also the same neighborhood group that when there is something suspicious happening, when there is a break-in and LAPD don't get there, there's the same people in the group that may say something offhand about a description that will show up to your house And make sure you're OK. And there's something about that group that's completely transformed.
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Like, I would be sensitive, typically, if I read about a description. But everyone has this trust among each other to say, even if we say the wrong thing, we don't mean it in the wrong way. We want to keep our neighbourhood safe. And fundamentally, we all trust each other and look out for each other. And sometimes it's like, I need flour. Does anyone have flour?
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You know, and this is something I've never been exposed to, but it's happening through WhatsApp. But I'd say the critical thing is we have a great leader. I don't want to say her name because she probably doesn't want people to know.
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She messaged me and she said, she was like, she told me her history and she was like, I want to meet your husband and your kids. So we're trying to figure it out. And she's the person that goes around and she organizes neighborhood walks. But it's completely changed how I perceive not just people in my neighborhood, but how I even see how others see profiling. But it's the neighborhood.
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There's something to the neighborhood group is what I'm trying to say, Bob.
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Or music lesson. People learn instruments.
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I don't remember that particular one. You don't remember that moment?
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So Trevor, my question is this, like you've hit on something with this Trump thing. How do we guarantee in this crazy world we live in that people don't start clubs of hate? Which I think what Trump it as much.
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You know what I mean? It's just like, cause that, that's then my concern.
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It's a local club membership. They took care of each other.
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Yeah. It's just like, how do we, in this very polarized moment where all sides seem to have deep resentment for each other, how do we make sure these clubs don't become spaces?
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He was going to Iowa. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, to follow up on that, because a lot has been said about... black male increasing vote for Republican. They actually split the vote and they look at the black male vote specifically and the black men most likely to vote for Trump were non-college educated and unchurched. Exactly. Unchurched as well. That was the key. They were secular up to a high school diploma.
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Black, young Black men. That's the group most likely to vote for Trump. The Black men that voted Democrat are college educated, 10 to 10 church professionals. And they vote at similar levels for Democrats as Black women do in general. So that group that's actually splitting off from the Democratic Party is like the most oppressed class among Black people.
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I was asking for my homework, the to-dos.
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And then when you speak to them, talk to them about the spiritual awakening.
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It's simple, but it's hard. Yeah, no, but that's what I mean.
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Also, off that, I'm curious about the we, because my world is predominantly women and people of color. And our complaint is that we can't get rid of people like, you know, like you've started off with like kind of this collective we, which I'd like to disrupt a bit. Right. Because there is no real collective. We hence this kind of political the political differences that we have.
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And black women in this country are probably one of the few groups where life expectancy is actually holding or going up. Right. And one of the reason they say that and one of the reasons black women don't. vote the way they do and behave the way they do is because they have this deep sense of community among each other.
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So I'd say speaking for Black women statistically, these aren't Black women's problems. And that's often because we are the carers. We are the people that are looking after children, elderly family members. They're looking to us. So I don't know many isolated Black women in the way that you speak of. Also, I say just like ethnically, I'm Nigerian-British. I'm Igbo. It wasn't just about my tribe.
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It was about my clan, which is a whole people. And we had this group where people pay dues all the time. And when my great uncle died, part of the dues contributed to his funeral. So I think for ethnic minorities in this country, whether it's Latinos, it's African-Americans, it's Asians.
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There are different cultural ties there that the idea of when I pick up the newspaper and I hear a story of somebody dying alone and they don't find the body for months, I'm like, how does that happen? Because there's 20 people knocking your door. And I'm not saying that from my personal experience.
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The thing I found illuminating was age.
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Your work on age, how men, it was like 20-year-olds.
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I think I said it in a curious way.
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I'm trying to be less judgmental now.
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No, because it was like women with age. I don't want to get this wrong, but it was just like women age corresponded with their age. So if they're like 25, they're into 25-year-olds. If they're 30, it goes with time. Men, it didn't matter what age. The average age was 20 in terms of attractiveness.
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Because you were doing all of this machine learning stuff pre the AI advancements we have now, which are like kind of mind blowing and terrifying. And, you know, that's a different conversation. How do you think now, using the technology we have now, do you think you guys could have different results? Like how can the algorithm be game to us in ways that aren't expected?
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Which we know is because we're like, he's been quiet for the last 10 years.
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Yeah, like the finishing of it.
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I actually, on this new, this thought experiment we're doing with a new dating app, right? How does that look in this time where I think politically people are so polarized? Because like 10 years ago, if a woman goes on a date with a guy and he says he's a Republican, it means very different things in like a post Roe v. Wade, red hat universe.
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You sit across from a guy and he says he's a Republican. in the red pill of... You're like... Right.
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How does that even look in this, like, where people really wear their politics now in ways that I think can be quite cumbersome to just... Even families don't even want to get along, let alone strangers.
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And there's some people- I'm married to an atheist and I'm Christian.
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I mean, my youngest daughter is always like, Jesus. She's always like, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. Amen, amen, amen.
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Yeah, he's made me more interested in reason.
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What I would contribute to a witch now, I might say, you know, I just have a stomach virus. No one has cursed me. So, yeah.
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Does that make sense?
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And this is where maybe algorithms could be quite useful. Like, maybe because of, like, the culture I grew up in, I realized that, like, personalities don't really matter when it comes to relationships. It's always been about, like, the values you have and how you rank them.
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So, like...
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Yeah, it's like, if you value, like, imagine it's family, kindness.
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It's not just the values. There's a matching values and how we rank them. Because often, like, I thought my cultural background, I saw that marriages that didn't work, it was the ranking of those values was a complete mismatch. So maybe the man only cared about money and the woman cared about family, right?
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But she also cares about money, but maybe money was like number five and it was his number one. So I always find couples, you know, they're like opposites attract. I'm like, what are their values? How do they rank them? If there's a matching in the rank of those values, that's a couple that's going to last for a long time. And I think what the algorithm can do is figure out
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What do the values, what does Trevor value? What does this imagine? How do they rank them? Let's cause a match. And the reason arranged marriages, I think, were so successful back in the day is because you're in this very insular world. You're likely to have the same values because you're raised in similar environments.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
But now in this world where it's like we're so global and cosmopolitan, we're porous, we're being influenced by different things just on our phone. And I think what an algorithm can then do is like bring it back.
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The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
do that work for you because there's a thing I asked my husband before we got married like what do you value he's like oh you know family kindness community and I was like okay so in those things like what do you feel most strongly about and when I passed that out we matched even though like Again, I'm not sure about dinosaurs. And this man is like very, very historical and science based. Right.
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But ultimately, like we both value family, community and kindness. And we will hold ourselves and a sense of duty. So he's just like, I'm always like, you're my best friend. He's like, you're not my best friend. You're my wife. I can get rid of friends. I can't get rid of a wife. And I'm like, from a background where duty is... I'm the eldest daughter. I take that duty so seriously.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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Would you let your mother-in-law move in with you?
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conversations that at least based on the data you would expect to keep going or whatever and it was just a total dead stop yeah picture came on and people were like oh my god yeah and this leads me to see i love this imaginary app we're making right because when i was on the apps long before i've been married like i don't know seven eight years now um i remember feeling that
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
men being on Instagram was really shaping how they thought women should look in real life? Yeah, definitely. Does that make sense?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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Because also men are seeing more hot people than they've ever seen before. Women too. I'm like, my gosh, it's gorgeous. You're just scrolling all these beautiful people. And I think it changed dating because it was just like, I can actually, there's physically somebody that's fine-tuned to what I precisely want.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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And I definitely, you know, Gia, who was on the show, who wrote Instagram Face, talked about like the proliferation of this beauty standard on Instagram, changing what women did in real life with their bodies and their faces to match this beauty standard. And I'm interested in about this app. Could we...
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
Game the algorithm in a way that plays to countering that, countering the fact that, like, depending on how much time a man spends on Instagram, right? Oh, this is interesting. Or even a woman's use of certain sites informing how they behave. Because, you know, I know all the apps talk to each other and they're spying on us. Yeah. No, you never did that, of course.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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But like, then create this machine learning algorithmic thing that can shape a man's preferences in a way that nudge him in the right direction, accounting for that. Or if it's a man that is not on Instagram at all, you're like, oh, you haven't been destroyed.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
Yeah, this is different.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
That's so interesting to me because I've always felt, and the public discussion is that these apps are changing our behavior.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
And they can... That's definitely true. It's making you angrier. It's making you argue more. It's showing you this stuff that...
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
Do you know who else tells us the truth?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
Pornhub.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
People in Nigeria are searching this. This is actually what you're searching. Red and blue people are the same. They all like, you know, they're into the same thing. That's the only other place we get that.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
What I did love about your book is, for me, reading the data and stuff, it made me think about how we can interrogate our choices. Because the data is like this truth serum telling us things about ourselves that we deny. Yeah. It made me think about when I look at my screen time use on my iPhone. And when it's just like, just shows me the hours, you know, like the colors and the blog.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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You're like, I spent that much time on Instagram. You see it. It shows you yourself.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
And I think culturally we can be quite delusional. Yes.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
every side is very high minded right now every side has got it right but what data just says well this is what you say and this is what you're actually doing and it leaves you to just interrogate your choices whether you change or not I still think that's a useful exercise yeah I mean the first step to change is going to be to do the interrogation right so yeah I'm the same way too I'll
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
Well, it's the dark side of it. I have a little baby and we use a monitor, which I won't promote the company because they didn't give it to me for free. Basically, it tells me her heart rate, her oxygen saturation, tells me how long she sleeps for. Your what? Yeah, oxygen saturation. Is it like a pad that she sleeps on?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
Yeah, oxygen saturation. It tells me if she's having wiggly sleep. It tells me if she's having like restless sleep. It tells me when she's in deep sleep. And this is like the dark side of data.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
Oh, I'm paranoid. I'm always worried my babies are going to die. So I like going into this thing. But I remember before I had that with my first son, if I wanted to know if he had a good night's sleep, I was obviously there, eh? But I look at him, I'd be like, oh, he seems a bit cranky. Now my immediate instinct is like, let me go into this app.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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Because sometimes they'll tell me she's wiggly on the app and I'll go upstairs. Whereas I would probably just leave her to be wiggly, wake up, she maybe cry a bit. and go back to sleep. Like that's probably what would have happened in my mother's time. But now I have this app that I'm looking at. Oh my God, she's got 98% oxygen saturation, which is perfect.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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Now I have this information that is actually not so confusing. It's actually making me more paranoid. And I think that's how this hyper data world can be quite dark.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
It's funny.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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The first time I met my husband, because we met on Twitter, and I kind of clicked his profile. But then when I saw him walk, I was like, oh my God, he's hot. That's always better. That's always better. He doesn't like his pictures. He's like, it was like a headshot. Yeah. And then I was like, oh my God, he's a good looking man. I should have dressed up more. But you know what I mean?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
So it's just like, it's so interesting that you say that.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
Oh, I was saying that now looking at it compared to maybe like the tinders and the bumbles and on the grinders and, you know, the swiping, like those type of things. OK, Cupid kind of had like this analog feature in this digital world because you had to write about yourself. What your music, you were into your interests. What's your favorite books? I mean, do people even read books now?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
You go to chat GPT. No, but it's just like, you know, it was you had to be really intentional and thoughtful and and creative and it showed so much about yourself by creating that profile. And I think a lot about MySpace.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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MySpace and stuff like that. And then somebody would have to come and read about you. It wasn't like, you know, it's different when you go on tweets.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
It's like retweets and it's just thoughts. But someone would have to sit down and really, pictures were a thing, but you'd have to read about this person and then make your decision.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
Cristiano's got the hate. Biggest hater in the world. So if you want to become a hater, you have to tag team. Lots of hateration in this dance room.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
Yeah, people are migrating to other places.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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I was going to say something. I don't want to say what I'm going to say.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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Or not meeting people at all.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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And it's not like they're meeting people in real life because you go out and the men are swiping. You know what I mean? So it's just like a lot of people just surrender to be like, maybe I won't meet somebody.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
How tall is he when he stands on his wallet? Yeah.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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In particular, your work around racial preferences and dating, which was so illuminating to black women and it sparked so much discourse.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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You talked about how black women and Asian men were like the least matched and you were digging into that. And I don't want to paraphrase you wrongly, but you talk about like, we can't take racism out. There's no way of algorithmically gaming that.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder [VIDEO]
that the site just revealed how people really felt in ways that were, maybe some people felt before, like some black women felt like maybe I'm unlocking love, Asian men felt, you know, I'm being overlooked in ways. And you showed the data that proved that that was true. Yeah.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Which we actually read, by the way.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
I love that one you just did.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Yeah, you're immersed into this world of COVID.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
And the people arguing.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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I was like, damn, this is... Wow. He said that it felt like sneaking into a diary entry.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
So that's interesting because like Darnell and, you know, all of these horrible men in the book, their interior lives. They were not horrible. I found that, listen, it's my reading. Okay, okay, okay. What? I found a lot of them horrible.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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Oh my God. Well, you guys know I'm anti-men in general.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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You know, my life is just filled with brilliant women.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Are they like brothers, family members?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Yeah, I just speak to them during the night between nine to five.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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In terms of who disturbed my spirit the most that left me vibrating a bit, Kwame.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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and that's because I'm postpartum myself and those scenes of Zecora like knowing her mother in a new way because of the vacuum of that man not being there was really beautiful to me because me and my friends talk about all the time like it took us becoming mothers to actually see our mothers as girls it's a dialogue we're constantly having Kwame because of how he behaved and how his family behaved that created a resentment I'm like that's not an honourable person
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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So lying to me, that's like a horrible man.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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Oh, interesting. Can you go into that a bit more?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
But on the empathy point, when people listen to this after they've read the book.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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Why would, what would evoke empathy?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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Some people find it invigorating, like going on the road, talking about their work. Okay, all right.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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We have people here that are like, I love it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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One of my favorite lines is the character that basically says, when you get married, they leave you alone, even if you divorce them. I was like, this is so brilliant. Yeah.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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Nigerian logic but it's the truth because like so many of my friends just said I just got married for freedom freedom from the question from the judgment oh because your family leaves you alone yeah yeah now you're in your husband's house I'm not even going to complain about the things you do because you're under his dominion right right right so to speak and it's
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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Which is so unvarnished because that's not necessarily a thing, even as direct and honest as Nigerian women are, is what we'd say in a forum that is not private. You know what I mean? I felt like in moments you're in the inner sanctum of the things women say to each other that they don't tell other people that I sometimes tell Trevor.
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I'm interested because we kind of started this where we're talking about, you know, you don't look at the fame, you don't think about audience.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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For fiction. Are there moments when you're writing fiction when you're like, that feels, I can't go there?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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Never? Nope.
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So it's kind of, there's a fearlessness that comes with the fiction.
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Why did you? I know you don't like the why questions, but why did you?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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And you have some very direct characters. From above.
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Yeah, and I was going to say that brings us to one of the characters in the book is based on a woman who exists in real life. Can you tell us a bit more?
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My parents were, it wounded me because I just thought, this is so wrong.
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Because sometimes there's like this, you have to embrace humility. You have to like coach yourself. Couch everything you say in. Yes. It's this, but I'm grateful.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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We just articulate all the time the norm.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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But it's just the spectacle of it all.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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Oh, but we like to see Luigi.
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But sometimes you'll be like, traveling sucks. I hate hotels. I don't like the food.
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The character says in America, money is justice. Yes. Which was very powerful to me because you just sue. Yeah.
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Yes, a literary giant.
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You just have to say one name.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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And who are your enemies?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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So as I say often, I have a very dim view of human nature. It's very Hobbesian. So I've always thought people are terrible and I still think they're terrible. I don't think that's true. I really, I'll ask this guy.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Talk about generational trauma. I always say to my, like my father and his two brothers miraculously survived Biafra. And considering what they've gone through, they are such good and compassionate and empathetic and non-suspicious people. You would think I went through the war, but no. And what I tell my therapist is that the generational trauma is that I'm hypervigilant.
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I'm probably speaking nonsense. But what I do say is some people have a more dim view of human nature. And if that is true, because I always say, you know, there are racists. Racists need their outlet. Sometimes their Twitter. Like there are some people who have odious points of view. There's people that do not see my humanity. How do we go from there? Because I think maybe there's an in-between.
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So you're not talking about the fringe or the... No, no. You're talking about maybe the... The masses, the collective in the middle.
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As a justification.
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Yeah, culty.
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One speaks to the darkness, the other speaks to the light. There's an overlap in their voters. And they both speak to some aspirations, but in different ways.
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You're not sold. I love it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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Like if you make a joke about traffic, people are like, well, you can get a helicopter, which I often say.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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I mean, the school fees are high. They're high, right?
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I come for it from a different perspective. I think I hate how in America it's like, you're right, you're left, you're right-leaning. Because I think people contain multiple ideological positions. On some issues, like right-wing leaning on what? There is no one.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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You're a student.
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So you encourage the discourse and the dialogue, but it has to be grounded in, I guess, intellectual curiosity. And it seems like from reading your essays and your work, a mutual respect. Because the affront to you is just like, don't be disrespectful, which is how I feel. Don't disrespect me or I'm going to leave.
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He didn't fit anywhere, so he had to understand.
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You know, Trevor's the king of that. Not the book, but remember at the show, the Daily Show, I think it was Jussie Smollett, this example always comes to mind. Jussie Smollett, the incident happened where he said he was assaulted by these Trump people. We're doing the meeting, we're watching the videos and, you know, people are like, oh, this is so outrageous, this is so sad.
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Myself, who's like Trotsky on the far left... And another writer who I won't name, but it's pretty right wing. We both said there's something not right. And Trevor said, you see these two people? They never agree. And he's like, guys, let's pause. Trevor said, we're not going to, we're not going to cover this.
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We're not going to go for like MAGA racists. And we had all the roles because it's like it's a big production to get all these clips. We had all the roles. People had the take. People had made jokes about how it was. And Trevor was like, let's take a beat. And this was like on the Monday or Tuesday. Wednesday, more's coming in. You know, people are saying justice for Jussie Smollett.
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Like Kamala Harris, everyone's tweeting. Trevor's still like, let's take a beat. I think it wasn't until like Wednesday or Thursday it emerges that... You know, the story wasn't what he was professing it to be. And Trevor was like, okay, now we're ready. And I always think about that when a story breaks or there's some hot button issue.
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Have you told anyone that?
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Because I'm, listen, I'm always like, I'm quite fiery, as you may have gathered. I used to be of the view of like... This is my opinion. But Trevor's very good at, let's take a beat. Let's read more. I used to be frustrated because I'd be like, this happened to these people. They're dying. And Trevor said, well, people die every day.
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We can't like, we have to have an informed response to what's happening.
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She's a real Igbo woman.
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But I think we're not disagreeing all the way. Are you talking about the reflexive urge to take a side? Yes. And you want people to take a beat?
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But Chimam, I think you are overestimating people's ability to even know what the source should be. Like, I went to journalism school and sometimes... I've been tricked.
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You know, sometimes it's just like... I think it was an AI thing. I was sent something recently and I was momentarily duped until I dug a bit deeper and I was like, oh, this is not true. This is manufactured. And I think we assume people to be a lot more literate than they are. And that's not coming from an arrogant place. We're just flooded with information.
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And I tell you, I'm like, sometimes I get WhatsApp forwards from my auntie. I'm like, auntie, where did you, especially during COVID. Exactly. Chew ginger. I was like, but she was like, no, don't get the vaccine. Chew ginger and you'll be fine. Right. And to task that person with finding the truth.
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A lot of people don't know where to start, especially where we are being flooded with misinformation. So I think Trevor's saying maybe we should have a bit more grace because not everyone is able to maneuver information.
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To that point, though, I think there is no center right now. You know, when we're talking about the...
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No, I think for most rational people, it doesn't. But we're in a heightened time where there is just like a lot of institutional distrust. I mean, my husband thinks I'm susceptible to cults. No, but I think everyone is. I think everyone is. Not just what the algorithm feeds you, but it's been a destabilizing few years. And I think everyone's asking themselves this question, what is true?
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And what do I believe? What am I? And that's why we're, because of the fear, we're going to all these extremes. And for a lot of people, they're just like, the CDC did this one thing wrong. Forget the CDC. Do you know what I mean? Whether that's right or not, I can't really judge. But I think there's just so much mistrust.
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You said it's the last frontier. Yeah.
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Wait, what? That's how Christiana... I'd love to tell the story. It's crazy. When Trevor first got his job at The Daily Show, he had a guest on that I didn't agree with, that I thought he shouldn't have had it. I stand by that. Does this guest have a name, perhaps? Yeah, Tommy Loren. Yeah. And it was like a super viral interview and there was lots of reactions. And... Credit to Trevor.
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He came across tweets where I was critical of him in a very respectful way, I think. I was kind of... How you were critical? Not critical. I was just discussing... Oh, yeah. I was discussing the fact that he'd had this guest on his show. And because he disagreed with me, he followed me. He was just like, I don't think she's right.
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Because he stands by why he had the interview, which I love about him. And someone reached out to me and was like, oh, Trevor Noah's a fan. What have you thought about working at the show? And the Nigerian in me was like, ah, this man is trying to trick me. Tell me off. That's the first thing I told my parents. I was like, I've got this email.
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I think this man is trying to trick me and he's holding a grudge because I said he shouldn't have that girl. But there was like that. But I see why, though. But we engaged in a few conversations where he was like, you know, you've made me think I don't necessarily agree. We had a few exchanges, not disrespectful ones, but like Trevor's very kumbaya.
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But I'm a child of Biafra, so I always want to fight. So there is that. I think there's that. Not tension, but we bring different things to.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
Well, I came to America in 2014 and I say this a lot and maybe I'm coming from like a Western lens of being in the UK and communicating with my friends in the UK. I think in the UK also people are wearing their politics more or whatever their label of whatever you identify as, whether Republican, Democrat, Socialist or whatever.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
And that is being at the front of a conversation in a way that is tainting how you can experience a person in real life.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
In a way that I didn't feel when I first came to America.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
When I first came, yeah. Because remember, I came when Obama was still in power. You're not wrong, actually. Yeah, when I came at the tail end of Obama, everyone assumed Hillary would win. And to be a Trump voter was a very quiet thing. I mean, we only discovered there were so many voters when the guy won. Because everyone was, it was just those red hat people over there.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
You never thought it was a people around you. And I think, There became this scrutiny after Trump won, like, did you vote for him? Did you vote for him? I think you voted for him. Like that suspicion for people who weren't in active mourning that Hillary wasn't president. And then it changed the timber of our interactions in a way that I don't think we've recovered from or gone back to.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
And I think that's even deepened now in his second term.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [VIDEO]
I felt it with Trump. Maybe that's a result of the bubble I was in myself. I just think we're in a time where people feel really defensive about what they believe. And there's not much step base for negotiation.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
I'm so curious because women aren't necessarily talking to other women about this and don't have the resources themselves. Doctors don't seem to know. Where does a woman go who's like perimenopausal or menopausal and is trying to figure out what is going on and who can help me?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
And that's something I actually wanted to ask you about because the older women who do speak about it with me are so terrified of hormone replacement therapy. Yes, because of that study. Yeah, and I say, well, the study's been debunked. And you can go on Instagram and see in the comments section, there's a big pharma trying to kill us. Wow.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
No, but, you know, because it's like breast cancer is a thing that does increase with age and people are terrified to get breast cancer.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
So there are women suffering right now who maybe are good candidates for HRT.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
Curious, like... Drinking bone broth, collagen supplements, would that help?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
So from the inside out, you can do some of the work.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
Is that why you're claiming, like, probably the most unsexy person?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
yes gruesome yes experience like yes beyond the actual act of giving birth which is very ugly it's beautiful but it's ugly if you see up front menopause and this is just like it's not something that most women would have the courage to claim publicly and do you think you're trying to claim it for yourself in part because you want to get away from that perception of perfection and beauty and
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
I was going to ask about the black womanhood piece because I think that when you drill down, black women and menopause and just reproductive health in general is just a maze. And we're misdiagnosed and underdiagnosed. And we're at greater risk.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
So what would you say to Black women specifically, especially those that maybe don't even have the tools and the vocabulary to understand what's happening with their bodies?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
And she's getting great reviews, by the way. Tabitha Brown. Shout out to Tabitha Brown. Tabitha!
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
So Hallie, I'm so curious because this is something me and my friends talk about a lot that we know like all of our mothers went through menopause, but they've never discussed it with us, right? Like they've never said anything to, is this like an African mother thing? No, just all of the, all my girlfriends, black, white, we're always like, you know, we're like, when are, you know, perimenopause?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
I think you could get someone younger.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
We have lots of questions because we're like, a lot of us are going into perimenopause now, right?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
Perimenopause is a period before menopause, which is chaotic and very difficult for women. And you have like memory loss and anxiety and you-
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
This is so techy and futuristic.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
And how long do you put it up for you? Is it daily? What's the regimen?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
For like a woman at home who's maybe like in her early 70s, is it too late for her? Can she jump on this train and try the V-fit and the gel and the hormone replacement therapy? Because sometimes it feels like the conversation is geared to 40s to like late 50s.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
But like most women don't actually know what perimenopause is, right? And it's bad. debilitating. And me and my friends of all backgrounds, we talk about the fact that our mothers and grandmothers and great grandmothers must have gone through this. They haven't given us this guidebook. Do they even have the language for what they went through?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
And I'm curious how you came to it and were like, I'm going to use this as transformation because from my perspective and from our friends, it's just something that's shrouded in shame. Like it's a conversation we still haven't even had with our own mothers. And you're like out here really publicly claiming it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
Because not everyone's heard it, and it's important to them.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
You know what, the more kids you have, the harder the pregnancies become. Because if you got pregnant now and you had to run it after you're older. Well, now I'm 58, that'd be hard for that reason.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
And you've given birth without drugs, by the way.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
And this is like your primary care doctor had no idea? No. No.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
And not telling you how to prepare for it. Or that it was even coming.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
But the thing is, they know our periods cease at a point. Like, I would accept that. Like, as a reason, yeah, there's something you don't know. But this is not unknowable. We know that women, at a certain point, if you live long enough, you'll probably stop menstruating. And the period before that can be difficult. Well, doctors should know that, I guess.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
Because I'd go like... Helen of Troy, basically.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Second Coming of Halle Berry [VIDEO]
Well, the suicide rate goes up for menopausal women.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
But for some reasons, there's something about them intrinsically that they're not able to do the opposite.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Not stage a coup, but I'm saying that the people at the top are really good at... Trump is great at knowing how to get to the top, whatever you think about him. He's one of these guys, he could go anywhere and end up at the top. And he knows nothing. I think that's a talent. Well, he knows something. He knows something.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
But then the people that have all the acumen, as you're saying, have the expertise, have the vision, seem to be stuck and they can't transform these organizations.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
You also absorb all the anger of the people beneath you.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
I know loads of people like that.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Well, you're like, buy my books.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
That's interesting. Now we're like into kind of this workplace dynamic space. Could you tell the audience more about your view on gossip? Because I come on the other side of it. And I don't like the word gossip. I think we should call it oral history because that's what it is. All history in real time. In real time. Is that true? Yeah, I mean, I come from a line of griots, West African.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
But wait, how do you define gossip? So like, I think gossip is really important for protecting the tribe. It's how we... No, no, but how do you define gossip?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
But you know, history and gossip is interchangeable for me. No, I'm with you in some ways.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
No, no, I mean amongst, like, do you get what I'm saying?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
But you know what? History, because we're on the other side of it. At the time, when they were burning all those witches, do you think they were like, we're about to burn 10 witches?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
I think gossip is frowned upon because women do it. I think everybody does it. But women do it really well. You know what? My closest male friends are great gossips. Again, oral historians.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
I mean, history is laced with judgment. There is no neutral history.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
And I'm on the other side. Like as a black woman, I never vent at work.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Can I tell you what office gossip normally... Someone who's worked in a lot of offices, it's normally done in a group chat. And it's like, this is what office gossip is. It's, you know, the Christmas party. So-and-so hooked up with so-and-so. Really? They did. Oh, there are no more sausage rolls because so-and-so took more sausage rolls. That's what office gossip is.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
It's just a litmus test of the culture and the happenings all the time. I'm telling you from the group chat. And then sometimes it slides into... you know, she did this today. Oh, that's so annoying. But the way gossip works and there's enough factions in the office, it's really hard to completely change the perception of one person. I have not found a situation.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
And if everyone hates you, there's good reason.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
It can, but it's also like, don't go into that guy's office because he's very handsy-pansy. Because there's been research on gossip.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
And can I tell you something about, I bet you about that company. They protect a lot of men.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Because I think gossip's a crucial social language. It's a very female... If we say no gossip, I think it insulates poor leadership. I think it insulates bullies. Because there are always these managers who are bullies. And you can't share your experience without being labeled gossip. So it's just like, how do I share?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
But some people would. Some people would say, well, that's gossip. You weren't there. You can't prove that he looked at her a certain way.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
I've worked a ton of different jobs.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
I understand the idea behind, like, let's eliminate gossip. That's not going to eliminate, like, the nastiness of office politics and how human beings behave. And I think gossip can be a great pressure release.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
What brought you here? I'm trying to get Trevor to move here. He refuses to. Well, I mean, he's smart. No. Don't say that.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
So you're a real uncle dad.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
I think it's because we probably fall on different...
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
parts of the capitalist debate and we're not going to get into it because i hate capitalism um and i but you are a champagne socialist i don't think it's a system that can be redeemed personally especially america's history of racial capitalism um i guess i object to the fact that why should i find purpose in work like i actually deeply recoil when i hear that because i'm just like
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Oh, so you want me to feel like, it's like kind of like the wellness industry, right? This way of feeling good about yourself in order to sell me more things. And I'm like, why should my, to me, my purpose can never, ever be in work. God forbid an office. And God forbid my boss coming to me and saying like, what's your why?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
And I'm like, well, my why is to be with my family and my friends and my community. This is just how I make money.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Yeah, especially Trevor. Ah, it's all a transaction. Remember that?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
But a lot of siblings hate each other. Also like he's like an uncle dad. He's helping raise. For sure, the third parent. Which is like.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
I would love that. Do you know what I mean?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Yes, but what I mean is, like, I feel like people... You bring order, Trevor brings chaos.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
They were like, what?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
I just struggle with the idea of infusing these corporations with purpose and spirituality. because I and the community I belong to we find that elsewhere it's like your job is your job I feel very fortunate to do a job that I enjoy despite it being with Trevor a lot of the time there's a whole wonderful crew yeah Yeah, forget them.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
But no, it's just like I butt up against that because in the tech world, it looks like, okay, now we're going to give you a gym in the office because that would make them feel better. And they have somewhere to sleep. And like what that gets layered into is just whole profit.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Yeah, and I don't want it from my office.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Because I have to be here more. And I want to be with my people.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
No, I meet a lot of people that work for these type of vision-driven, purpose-driven cults. I'm like, you've joined a cult and they will fire you too.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
So I need to move my kids around a lot. You do, actually.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
We want to do a London stint, definitely.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
I think what I object to fundamentally is like the privatization of a sense of belonging. I don't actually think that's the job of a business. Right. I don't believe that's the job of business. I believe that is actually the job of your community and your people. Wait, can I throw something in? And then I'm like, restore the community.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Yeah. But then we haven't chosen the place after that.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
I'm not in the business of being like, let's make these businesses places of purpose and belonging.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Obi sounds like Peppa Pig when he's speaking to me.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
And he sounds like California when he's speaking to everyone else. So he's on the cusp. No, I'm English. My daughter does not speak English.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
But even if they're sincere, I just don't think that's the role of a company. I think that's a profound failure. Yeah, but I'm saying... Because I know the people who want to go to... People in my family are like, I go to work, I come home.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
No, but I'm in this cult with Trevor. But hold on. I can't get rid of him. I'm in the corporate cult.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
No, I'm saying I feel that I come from a position where I feel like it's a real luxury to do what I do. I get to write for a living. I get to think. I get to speak. Most of my people in my life, that's not what they do. It's not what my parents got to do. That's not what my grandparents got to do. So I come from a different kind of working lineage. And
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
How old are your kids? My son is four. My daughter is 18 months. And I'm like, Luna, Trump's America. You need to learn something.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Because of that, I don't try and entrust too much meaning into the job. Like, it's not supposed to give me fulfillment or community. But it does. But, I mean, sometimes it does. Not all the time.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
But when it doesn't... Sometimes your friends do, sometimes your friends don't. I think my issue is for... For most people, their job does not give them that profound sense of meaning. And I'm just like, we need to live in a world that even if your job doesn't give you that, that's fine. But it seems that what you do and a lot of people advocate is coming from it from the other side.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Let's make these businesses give to people what their general world should be given to them.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
But I'm a socialist. That's why, you know, champagne socialist.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
And maybe I come to it from a different vantage point as like as a mother. I have a lot of friends who have decided to spend like the very early childhood years with their children, which is a privilege.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
And it's because the thing that takes you out of the home has to be so fulfilling to be like, I'm not going to be with this kid when they're learning to walk and they're learning to talk, et cetera, et cetera.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Okay. Which is very different languages, by the way.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
We have three languages in our house. So English, Spanish and Igbo. Igbo is an indigenous language from the southeast of Nigeria. So we're always using different words. But my daughter, her English is really, she just doesn't have many. She knows like pizza, which is an Italian word, right?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
But like my daughter, like, and it's hard. Yesterday she was crying about something. She was like, what was she saying? She said, este, este, which is like Spanish for this. And I was like, so my husband, speak to her. I don't know what's going on here.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
So it's like this interesting thing where like each child is being drawn to their own culture because there's no like real common culture of the house. I often think about like when they grow up, I'm like, are they going to be close? Are they going to, you know, you figured it out.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
No, because I agree with him now. So you don't want to find your underpants? We'll do it in private. Okay. No, that's fine. I was just asking. No, but I agree with that.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
The service stuff. That's what it's about. Okay. That's a life well lived service.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
But I think he creates the chaos. That's just the difference. Unbelievable.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
You seek it out, he's the one bringing it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
I think we've all worked in places where we've been like, you know, my boss is an idiot, right? Right? Yeah. But that wasn't you at the Daily Show, right? No, I was like, my boss is this smart South African. Okay, all right. He's so brilliant. Because I don't know many places you've worked.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
I didn't think you were an idiot.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
I constantly disagree with him. I still disagree.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Which makes a great entertainment. I was like, this is amazing. I was like. He's mad. And he thought the same of me. But I always thought Trevor's brilliant. So it wasn't that. I thought he was an idiot.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
Brilliant and an idiot.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
But I'd say we've all worked in places where the really smart person or the person that has the insight, whether it's strategically or tactically... is kind of like stuck in middle management and for whatever reason isn't able to maneuver to be in a position where they're like the boss, right? What would you advise that person? Because I know I have tons of friends like that.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek [VIDEO]
And I'm like, they're just stuck at this place in their career. And their complaint is my boss doesn't know what they're doing. The VP doesn't know what they're doing. The COO doesn't know what they're doing. And it seems that across the world, we just have this class of middle management who can't really make decisions.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: The One Where Everyone Tries Crack [VIDEO]
Yeah, yeah.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: The One Where Everyone Tries Crack [VIDEO]
Preach, brother.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: The One Where Everyone Tries Crack [VIDEO]
Thank you.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: The One Where Everyone Tries Crack [VIDEO]
No, I'm saying crack when it's done.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: The One Where Everyone Tries Crack [VIDEO]
We want to get your person.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
If I Ruled the World: The One Where Everyone Tries Crack [VIDEO]
This is amazing.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Anxious Generation with Jonathan Haidt [VIDEO]
We've created a world where the barrier to entry for some of the things that we've agreed on as some of the most harmful to younger kids, the barrier to entry is zero. It's literally, you click a button that says, I am 18 or older. And I remember the first time I saw that button when I wasn't 18, it was on a computer game called Leisure Suit Larry. I don't know if you've ever heard of this game.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Anxious Generation with Jonathan Haidt [VIDEO]
So it wasn't like a gradual thing.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Anxious Generation with Jonathan Haidt [VIDEO]
It's interesting that you bring that up because I've often wondered how much we devalue exposing children to, you know, for lack of a better term, adverse events in life, you know? And I think to myself, like, when we're at the playground, when we're kids, like... There were kids I didn't want to see. There were people you were like, oh, God forbid that kid is there on the swing.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Anxious Generation with Jonathan Haidt [VIDEO]
They're not going to let anyone swing or let them catch you swinging. They're going to start coming and swinging you and you won't be able to get off and then you're going to have to jump and you might hurt yourself and it'll be a whole thing. But what I did enjoy about it... afterwards was the fact that it taught me how to navigate these situations in life, right?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Anxious Generation with Jonathan Haidt [VIDEO]
Because life is going to be filled with people you don't agree with or people who are making your life adverse or people who are, do you get what I'm saying? It just creates, it creates a realistic expectation of what life is going to be, whether you like it or not. And it actually, I'm sure you've seen this.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Anxious Generation with Jonathan Haidt [VIDEO]
I think it was Canada who, sort of like their Surgeon General or something, who said they're going to switch it up when it comes to children now. They are now encouraging schools and playgrounds and everything to allow kids to engage in what they call, quote unquote, dangerous play. So they said they've sanitized playgrounds too much.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Anxious Generation with Jonathan Haidt [VIDEO]
You know, like even in America, for instance, there's playgrounds that have like a soft, spongy ground, right?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Anxious Generation with Jonathan Haidt [VIDEO]
Do you know they found that that's not good for kids?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Anxious Generation with Jonathan Haidt [VIDEO]
Yeah, they said because it's like falling is something that you need to learn. You need to understand the consequences of falling. Yeah, exactly. And it also, this is the part I didn't realize. I knew I would have thought intuitively, oh yeah, it's good for a kid to fall and know that falling can hurt them.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Anxious Generation with Jonathan Haidt [VIDEO]
But what I didn't know was it encourages them to take risks and to think of what risk means. Exactly.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Anxious Generation with Jonathan Haidt [VIDEO]
So when you wrote Anxious Generation, did you think you were tapping into the, I mean, arguably like one of the most, what would you call it? The most pertinent moments of this generation? Because I mean, you've written a few books and every author who's writing about something, especially someone as learned as you, is thinking about the world.
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I often think that when I look at dating for younger generations now, and I'm often intrigued by how they'll see dating, and not all of them, but oftentimes they'll see dating as a, you know, it's like a binary. That failed, it was bad, and it was good. Like, you know, red flags, like that type of thing. And then I always say to people, I go...
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Well, I think because dating is still interpersonal communication and interpersonal relationships, they're going to be bumps. There's going to be bumps. So when people are, that's a red flag, I go like, yeah, everyone is a red flag. There are no red flags. Do you get what I'm saying? But the red flag does not mean that you shouldn't be doing the thing.
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It just means that this is something that you might need to be aware of. It's the roots. And I love that you said that because it's like, Do we want kids to live in a world where there are no roots, which isn't going to be the world, or do we want to prepare them for a world where there may be roots?
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And so they learn what tripping means, they learn what falling means, and they learn what getting back up means.
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But this feels like it tapped into every single parent and everyone who's in the zeitgeist. It completely, I mean, it's still, you know, the last I checked, it's still on the New York Times bestsellers list. It just stays there as robust as ever.
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I hope these ruined white people.
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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you think it is about the topic that connected with people as much as it has? Yeah.
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So the first games I was playing, I would say, was around like, what was it? Was Asteroid, I think, was what I was playing.
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Yeah, Asteroid was what I was playing. And then I was stepping into the generation of... Let's say, when I was at a gaming age, that's when it's like Super Mario Brothers, Street Fighter, all of these things are happening.
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Yeah, Contra, Mortal Kombat, Sonic, etc. That's now you're in the prime time of... images moving across a screen in a way that looks quote-unquote real.
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You could not find it anywhere. I guess you didn't have an older brother or anything? Oh, no, I was the older brother. I was the pioneer. You couldn't find... Let me tell you something. I try and explain this to my younger brothers now. And I often say to them, I go, I am not against porn. I think the porn industry is terrible in many ways. I'm not against porn itself. I think it's as old as time.
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However, I think we have too much porn now. And I think we have too much access to porn, right? So for me, porn was still like this magical thing you would bump into. It was this unattainable, there would be a magazine in a wrapped in plastic. So you couldn't even see what was happening. That was porn. So yes, to your point, video games, yes, porn, no.
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You click a button that says you are over 18.
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By the way, I love that you pointed out how flimsy and fake the checks and the protections are, which is a paradox to what you're saying. It's the same generation that won't let their child go down a slide that is beyond a certain degree of angle because they've deemed it unsafe and there's no roots of a tree. But then at the same time,
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your child can go into a world that can completely obliterate their brain in the way they see themselves if they just click a button.
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No, I haven't heard of that. So it was a story of this man, Leisure Suit Larry, whose only goal was to have sex. That's all he was trying to do.
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You know, I think of, you know, personal anecdotes. I played video games my whole life. And our version of multiplayer used to be you'd have to be at somebody's house when there was split screen. Next to each other. Yeah. But it's social. You were having fun together. It was split screen and you hung out together and you literally were in the same room.
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And they would find a way to put you all on that. You know, I think Mario Kart still does it. Like Nintendo, in my opinion, might be the healthiest gaming company out there. So I didn't play these games. COVID hits. We all locked up. And then a few friends of mine said, hey, we played this game, Call of Duty Warzone. I was like, I haven't played Call of Duty in years.
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I'm not really a big first person shooter guy, whatever. I got on. Let me tell you something. Even say now to like my friends, because I've made friends from around the world because of this game. But many of them who are a little bit younger will go like, hey, where are you now?
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And I go, guys, the only reason I'm not addicted to this game the way you are, the only saving grace was that I've experienced grass in my life before this game came. But I don't understand how anyone would not be fully addicted to this.
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Because I come from a hybrid childhood. Half my childhood is swing, seesaw, jungle gym, merry-go-round. That in my brain is still like a lot of fun. Even when I walk past playgrounds now, which I don't stare for too long.
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I actually think it's terrible that adults can't just go and swing on things. I'm just going to put it out there. But anyway, I still look at that with like, oh man, that's a fun place. But if you, as you're saying, Jonathan, if you're the now generation, let me tell you something. I sat on that console. I've spent an embarrassing amount of money playing these games.
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Because to what you're saying, they use a drug dealer model. Brilliant. First and foremost, the game's free now.
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they never used to do that in my day you had to pay for the game so you just download the game no no game's free go Fortnite free free free go go take it Warzone free free free all of it take it take the game play it and then what they do is they just like sort of like just give you these little drops of dopamine as you say sounds
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Upgrades, levels, and you're trying to get somewhere and you're trying to unlock a new gun or a skin, a pack, and then they deny it all the time. But some of them are better than others. And so now you're going, I'm getting left behind and you're competitive. And the amount of time and money that young boys will spend in this world, where now, to your point, your whole community exists.
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If you're not in that world, you don't have a community now.
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You know? But now if you get left behind in that world, you also don't have a community. So now you have to pay to stay a part of your community. And so now there's kids who I can only imagine are raiding their parents' credit cards or like finding ways to get money because the game perpetually wants from you. And if you talk to game companies now, they'll say, oh, no, but it's free to play.
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It's like, yeah, that's the same thing.
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Yeah. So what does that do? So let's say you're a parent of boys listening to this right now, or you may be one of those boys. Tell us why it's so bad. Because I, in COVID, for instance, I loved it. And then now, because it's not in my life in the same way, like literally, I think this morning, a friend sent me a link, one of the crew, and he was like, oh, they're bringing it back for dance.
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Are you coming? And I was like, ah, we'll see. I don't know. But for somebody who's really in it and they go, no, Jonathan, this is my community, my life. I have fun. I enjoy myself. I see nothing wrong. What is the wrong that we may not be seeing?
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That's why we did this. Because we go like... we haven't been able to quantify it, right? And I know people will be like, oh, but we can do it over Zoom and it's efficient. And I think this is what I think people have missed. And I know I was guilty of it at some point as well. Yes, it is more efficient.
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It is way more efficient to have a meeting over Zoom or to run your whole business day from Zoom. It is more efficient. However, there's something we forget. Life is not only about efficiency. Life is not only about getting from point A to point B as quickly as possible. Life is about sharing connections with other human beings, sharing a vibrancy, sharing a resonance, sharing a frequency.
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It's literally about that. And people don't realize this. And I'm sure you've experienced it. Think of all the Zoom meetings you've had and think of how little connection you share with the people, right? There's very little fluff. And I think we forget, and I've often said this, look, I think most office work is fake and it's fine. I don't care about that.
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I think it's good that it's fake because I think people just need to come together and have a purpose. The thing that makes the meeting the meeting is, yes, there's a little bit of work, but it's more just about these people coming together, looking into each other's eyes, which I think helps us as people.
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And we see micro expressions and we regulate each other and we laugh together and we get sad together and then we think together. And that collectiveness of people, I think we lose. And so you're right. If we were having this conversation over Zoom, you give us information, but you give us no feelings.
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And we give you no feeling and we don't, you know, and I think we have yet, it's almost impossible to quantify it.
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Now it's time for a segment we call Where in the World? Brought to you by Uber. Whether it's your best friend's wedding or your niece's first ballet recital, Uber is on their way so you can show up for what matters most.
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Ah, I'm in South Africa.
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Johannesburg. Josie. Maboneng.
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Some people say Jayberg. Don't ever do that. Whoever you are, whoever started Jayberg, if I find you, I'm going to hurt you. There's been a random, I don't know.
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You say Joburg, you say Josie, you say Johannesburg. Don't say Jayberg. Whoever this person is, just please don't do that. It's like saying, are you from NY City? Yeah. Don't do that. Just don't do that. Yeah.
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Yeah, you're like, this is weird. Yeah, but it's been good. I've been with my people, eating my food. I started cooking. Have you ever heard of pop? I started cooking pop.
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It's like our version, our maize dish.
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Yeah, but then we use maize meal for hours. So I've been doing that. I've become like fufu. It's exactly fufu, actually.
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Yeah, and then, I don't know. I mean, you're right, but I don't know. I don't have the forearm strength that my grandmother had. You have to have a specific technique when you're making any type of maze-related... Yeah, it's... You know what, I'll try. I feel like you've guilted me enough, and now I'll try. In fact, right after this, I'm going to try.
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Well, that was today's Where in the World brought to you by Uber. Whether it's your best friend's wedding or your niece's first ballet recital, Uber is on their way so you can show up for what matters most. Uber, on our way. Can I tell you the most fun we had during COVID was, you know, like everyone was in the bubble phase.
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The most fun we had, and this I stole from my younger days, was there used to be what they called internet cafes when I was growing up. And these were little stores that had a bunch of computers connected to the internet because you couldn't get internet at home. And what would happen is people would host gaming tournaments there. And that I found was the perfect hybrid, right?
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So, but what I did for the COVID thing was, cause we were already in a bubble. It was me and my bubble people. We put all our PlayStations in the same room, in the same room, and we connected them up. Let me tell you something, all that laughter, You thought you were laughing before. And I will encourage any parent who has kids who play these games, like don't kill the thing.
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Try and find the hybrid. I know it's going to be work. I know it's going to be a mission. But I promise you now, put these kids in the same room, still with their screens, little monitors and their video game consoles. Put them in the same room doing the same thing.
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The exponential gain in connection, laughter, love, joy, everything that you experience, I can't even, like I can't, because this is what I realized it does, is it reminds you that the connection is not coming from the game. It's coming from the people you're playing the game with.
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Yeah. Every time I took off the headset and I turned off the console, there was a deep sadness I felt because I was like, ah, my community's gone because they were during COVID. But when I had the bubble and we did that, it was like over the Christmas period, you turned off the console and now you went and sat on the couch together.
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And now we laughed and we talked and it reminded me that no, no, no, the community was the thing. The game was just something we did together.
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I remember the first one, you were just at a bar, and you would type on the computer, like, open door, knock on door, and the bouncer would be like, what's the code? And you're like, what is the code? But when I think about this world, I think about the option is like, in the game, it would say to you at the beginning... are you 18 or older? And I said, no. I was honest. I was like, no.
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But it's funny you say this. Yeah. and I'm always cautious in how I say this, but I feel like Americans really need to be aware of this. So much of what America's experiencing and doing right now is akin to what you would hear in like communist, like Soviet, you know, USSR times, like it was, like where it was like neighbor might call the police on you. And it was all about that.
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It was all about like, It wasn't just that the state was surveilling you. It was that you didn't know who even your family was surveilling you.
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And I literally think about what you're saying and I go, if we live in a world, if you call the police to tell your neighbor that their music is too loud, then you don't understand that you are furthering a society where you are destined to be governed by some autocratic power because you can just knock. You can literally knock and say, hey, the music is very loud.
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Are you guys going to turn it just because I don't think your neighbor is trying to destroy your life by playing music.
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It all becomes it. But now to your point, now the next generation hasn't even met people in person. They haven't even they've never had a conflict in person.
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And so they live in a world where they go, oh, no, you just report for offensive content, report for, you know, report, report, report. But they themselves have never actually said to another human being, hey, would you mind not doing that?
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But can I tell you a secret, though? And I agree with you on this because I really try and figure out how we can solve this issue, especially after we talk to Robert Putnam on the podcast. Mm-hmm. I think the truth is that we think we don't have the third spaces, but it's just because we've made every space a private space. I was just thinking this walking around parts of Brooklyn the other day.
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I've noticed a dip in how many block parties there are.
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Just that was a simple event where you close the streets. You agreed. Neighbor at the end, we all agree on Saturdays, we are going to close our block. And everyone's going to just open their door and like walk out and the kids can kick a ball and can hit a ball. And I've seen a few parts of New York where they do it now. Like this is like in Manhattan, by the way. Like Chelsea, somewhere there.
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I remember driving one day and I was irritated because I was in the car trying to get to an airport and the road was closed. But I loved the fact that I saw someone hitting a ball, a baseball, and then people running. The whole street was just closed. And I was like, oh, we've been tricked into thinking the thing that's right outside our door is not a third space.
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And I'm telling you that when I grew up, they didn't exist. Black kids couldn't go to a library. There was no park. During apartheid, none of this exists. But I have the full childhood that you're talking about. Because the third space was the street.
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Yeah, that's right. So you go, you tell the kids.
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Yes, but that's what I mean by close the street.
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So I go, I would love to live in a society where we go. Like, we used to do this on... I wish I could like take you to the picture in my brain. We as the kids ran the streets as if we were adults.
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Yeah, we would take bricks and we would put them at the beginning of each road and close each road. And then when a car would need to turn into the street, because this is like a road, you know, it's not a public, I'm not talking about like main roads.
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Yes, I'm not talking about a highway. I'm not talking about a main road. I'm talking about like- In your neighborhood.
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It was a township, but it was still a neighborhood. We'd put bricks there. A car would need to turn. There would be kids stationed at every corner and you'd shout, you know, car. And then you'd run there together. You'd move the bricks.
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The car would drive either through where it needs to go to, or it would like stop at the house that it's stopping at. And then we'd put the bricks back on the road and then we'd continue playing. And because I agree with you, I'm not saying like go play in the street, but I'm saying sometimes we look at problems in life. And they seem insurmountable because we're looking at them the wrong way.
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Okay, no phones and no this and no... And now are we going to build third space? How much is a third space? Where do you get it? How do we build a park? Do we get permits? Guys, everyone, if you are lucky enough to have a house... If you're lucky enough to be renting a space, you literally have the third space right outside your door. You just have to claim it back.
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So there are, it's not that- Well, that's a lot of New York City in general, even the fancy schools, by the way.
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They have some fenced in.
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But I'm saying like a lot of them, you'll be shocked at how there's, it's just like, it's the city. It's the curse of a city.
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I think being caught is good.
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This is amazing. This is really, and I mean, there's so many more we could speak about, but luckily that's why there's a book.
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And I really encourage everyone to read it because I think if you don't have kids, I think it still applies to you as somebody who does have a phone, who might struggle with community, who might have anxiety, who might not even realize how much these latent effects have affected them.
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Jonathan Haidt, thank you so much.
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And the game was like, you're not old enough to play. I remember being like, oh. And then I booted it up again. And then I went, I am 18. And it was like, welcome to the game. Something is happening to our kids. Anxiety, depression, and loneliness are on the rise, and it looks like it's not just a phase. Parents overwhelmed, young people feel lost, and no one's quite sure what or who is to blame.
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Let's talk a little bit about the two different worlds. Because to Christiana's point, I actually love that you broke them down. On the play side, Christiana will tell you, I don't have any kids. But I'm vehemently against the way I see kids living now. And one of the big ones for me was just like when I moved to New York.
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I don't know why I've been so like I'll be at like playgrounds no I won't be like at the playground let me not say it that way I'll be walking past the playground you walk in New York you know And every time I'm there, I see every parent with a kid or every child minder with a kid or every nanny with a kid.
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And often they're on their phones at the same time. Yeah, they're monitoring the kids.
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And I go, guys, this is a prison yard. I keep saying it. I go, find me the difference between this and a prison yard.
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But I watch this and I think to myself, where are the kids learning how to resolve conflicts amongst themselves? Where are they learning what games they do and don't want to play amongst each other? Where are they learning? None of this. One kid cries, parents swoop in. One kid falls, parents swoop in. Kids argue with each other, parents swoop in. Like it's the dogs at the dog park.
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have more freedom than the children do at a children's park.
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It really is interesting. And I see this and the parents would say to me, oh, but you don't know what it's like to have a kid. And I go, yeah, but I remember being a kid.
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So now let's talk about what it robs you of. Because when I say this to people who have kids, people think I'm doing the grumpy old man thing. In my day, you ran around and you scraped your knee and it didn't, you know. And I'm not trying to say that I believe that it's helping you assess risk. I believe that it's helping you understand, you know, hierarchies.
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It's helping you understand social dynamics. It's preparing you for the world that you're going to live in is what I always say. But you've actually done the work and you've done the research. So if a parent out there is saying to you, oh, Jonathan, I... I don't want my kid being bullied at a playground. I don't want them being punched by someone or getting hurt.
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They're going to fall off the bars and they're going to hurt their knee. How can I allow this? What are they losing by not allowing this?
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But today's guest has spent years trying to answer just that question. Jonathan Haidt is a leading social psychologist, a professor at NYU, and the author of The Anxious Generation, a book that's sparking urgent conversations around the world today. In this episode, we unpack what's going wrong and what we might still be able to do to get it right. This is What Now? with Trevor Noah.
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We're priming them for dictatorship. We really are. It sounds like we're priming them. That's a wild way to think of it actually. It's like you're not teaching them to be a part of a society. You're teaching them to be a part of a monitored state.
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And he's like, I feel ashamed that I'm sending you, your kids, this thing that means they're losers.
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Also, I mean, I'm saying this as a Brit. How much is just ultimately resolved in court? And then there's a different court. So then it goes to a court in like this district says.
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Yeah, it just keeps suing. And then it's always the judges who are like, I'll take you to court. I'll take you to court. So Trump does a thing. And then now I've realized, just wait to see what happens in court.
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And then it's frozen because there's something that happens in court. So I'm like, I'm not saying not being a president is powerful because we've seen how much it can shape the world. But now I'm like, oh, everything happens in court in this country. It's like the judges...
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I love this because I love corruption.
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He said it, not me. But you just said I love... It could have been my British side.
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One thing I've learned about Nigerians is... It could be my British side.
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No, but we're embarrassed about it.
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But I also feel like, forget world leaders, I would not invite someone to my house to cuss them out. Like, if I want to cuss you out, you're not coming to my house. That was the thing that kind of blew my mind about the internet. Like, forget...
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Oh, he knew he was going to cuss him out.
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Well, he thought Zelensky would kind of bow.
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I think some of the risk, the reaction to it though, is just like, people are surprised to see someone cuss someone out in their house. Forget them being a group of men.
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Someone came to your house and you cussed them out. That is like just on a purely human level.
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How much money he thinks you have.
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She's still got that placenta perm.
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It's not how it is. So she's still got her placenta perm. I know. I am a mother of three kids, five and under. I've had more than three pregnancies. You guys know, like, my womb is a strange place. So I've had losses, done IVF, all of this stuff. And now it's landed me at three kids. Cora wasn't IVF, though.
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I'm stopping it. Can I tell you guys something? No, don't lie.
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No, he's going to say, you say this all the time. Every time you say it's your last baby.
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Okay, can I tell you the difference now?
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So unfortunately, I live in a very godless city. So it's a long time to get a vasectomy. In LA, I sent my husband. My husband, February 14th, he had an appointment. For a consultation for a vasectomy.
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He got there and the guy says there's a waiting list. But what happens every Friday, they open up the portal for cancellations. This is the vasectomy doctor in LA, by the way. Everyone goes to him because he does the job.
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It's quick, but it's a godless city. People don't want kids. So there's so many men.
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If you want it quicker, go to like Utah.
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So this is, I don't even want to go on too many tangents, but.
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Because I've got people telling me, why don't you get an IUD? Why don't you do this? I'm like, no, let him do something because my body has been through hell.
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So my husband is getting a vasectomy and we have two embryos in boarding school in case I ever... Want to get to five. No, they're just there. I don't know what to do with them. You see, this is, I'm pro-choice, but then I have all these woo-woo things. I'm like, do I donate them to science? I don't like embryo adoption. No, you see, this is slick.
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No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not the out. It's just like, I'm like, I can't keep having children when I have like these two, not souls, but things frozen in time. So they're there. I have to make a decision about what we do with them. They're in Texas.
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Not children, please. Before... The Republicans here, they're not children. They're cells. Me and my husband's cells.
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look at how they swim I'm afraid it's going to get to that so anyway so even having Cora the ethical I was like how can we do this when it was obviously she's not planned which by the way my thing about having three kids I think it makes me look like I lack sexual discipline in this day and age no no no wait wait why would you need because like who has three kids in this day and age no no no no but why would you need sexual discipline I whoever says that bring them here I'll fight them no people are very like people women with careers yes like ambitious women mhm
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Christiana Gave Birth (Again)! [VIDEO]
You either have no kids or you have maximum two.
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This is what I found. I've looked at it. And why do you think that is? Because no kids, you have freedom. Yes. Two kids, you have balance. And it's what you can... At three kids, we're like at capacity. It's chaos in my house. But imagine a woman shows up for a job interview. I'm just talking about a woman that maybe doesn't have as much privilege. And she's like, I have three kids.
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The person on the other side is like, this bitch is going to have another baby soon. I don't know if I can give her the job interview. I mean, that's how I would feel. That's how I would feel. But I'm saying that's a very raw... No, no, no.
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When I told them, I walked in, obviously I was like, they were like, because my belly was showing at that point. I was past 12 weeks. And then Derek, shout out to Derek, who works with Trevor. He was just sitting there answering ads. They're doing the sums. Yeah, everyone has to do the math. And they were like, congratulations. Oh yeah, we can make the podcast. What do you do? It was so funny.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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It was just a relief. And then they were like, okay, whatever. But it has a real impact.
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You're not worried about Josh getting pregnant.
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Oh, God, that's hard to hear as a United fan. Oh, I didn't know which way you were going to take that. No, but it's true. It's true. It's true. Think about it. I hope my dad's not listening.
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i'll never ever be like but the podcast and you know this from me i'm the person who's like yeah cancel and by the way like so i feel very fortunate that i do this the work i do and where i am in my career that i have like partners like you guys were like okay how can we make this work right that was like okay what are your dates what do you want to take time off when are your appointments you know they're the queen the kings and queens of
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You seem tired. Go sleep or whatever. But most women don't work in environments that are like that. It's like, you know, you're getting fired. You're getting demoted. You're taking time off. You're coming back at a lower level. You're already like postpartum. It's the worst thing you can do for your career, having a baby. That's the truth. But no one says that.
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It's bad for the dads, too, by the way, because a dad is like, I want to spend more time with my kids.
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Okay. For someone who wants to be an active and present father, in the current capitalist framework we have, where your work is on your phone, your email, you can't escape it. It's very tough. After work, drinks, socializing. Now they're like, return to the office. They don't want us to work from home, right? So you're away from your family all day.
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If you're a man that wants to see your kids and be present, it's bad for you as well. But I think with, and it's an argument, a conversation me and Lewis have a lot, The woman, you take on the actual physical brunt of the pregnancy. The emotional, physical labor, the hormones. It's feeling like you're being invaded. I find pregnancy very disembodying. I'm not one of these women.
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I had the most beautiful time in my life. I was close. I feel like shit. Like, I don't enjoy it. And I've had really... I've had rough pregnancies. I've had... My last birth was my favourite birth. I felt really powerful. I knew what I wanted. Like, I felt very confident. That's amazing. Yeah, and it was just, like, I'd done it a lot of times before to be, like, listened to and postpartum was...
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I couldn't even really dwell on it because I have two other children. But for a lot of women, it's this earthquake and you're constantly feeling aftershocks. And whatever decision you make, whether you decide to stay at home with your children or also work as well, you don't have the support for the most part.
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I find my friends that are stay-at-home mums, they live really isolating existences and they do work that's not respected financially.
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You've seen it up close multiple times now.
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And let's not even talk about, and I think this is around the Western world, the housing crisis. It's so expensive.
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Schools aren't good. Private schools are super expensive. So it's just like everything is working against you. And then I'd say like on a really, maybe it's like, I don't think it's vain. For a long time, you don't feel like yourself in your body. You have this baby, you're lumpy, you're soft. You don't feel sexy. Do you know what I mean? It's like you're scrolling Instagram.
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You're like, you know, a Zen pick. Everyone's very hot and thin right now. And you're just like, I feel like blah.
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So they will basically become Ozempic resistant.
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How could you? Well, the worst thing is being like postpartum in the age of Ozempic. Because I think I've been through the entire life cycle. So when I had OB in 2020, then it was COVID. But it was a wave of body positivity. Yeah. And everyone was saying, you're not your body. Thank your body for just keeping you alive. Because, you know, the stakes were different. It was like viruses.
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That was the first, like, huh. Oh, I was thinking about when, like, because this is so dark, because I moved to America after Bush started bombing the world, right? Yeah. So I'm saying as an outsider, when did you consider, like, maybe I don't want to live there anymore? Obama was pretty... You were like, oh, I want to move to a place where Obama can become president.
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So you were just like, oh, I've got this thing that keeps me alive. Good for you. It didn't matter how it looked. And now the algorithm is just feeding me, oh, you're postpartum, how to get your body back. Basically eating disorder content, like lean is law. And the timeline does look
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Christiana Gave Birth (Again)! [VIDEO]
different because so many people are on glp ones and you look at the red carpet from the oscars or the grammys and you're like people look really different yeah and like everyone everyone is honest so there's also being everyone is a woman that's just had a baby in a very different cultural space where a maternal body is like no one no one wants to see evidence that you've had babies we hate those bodies it's a mom bod it's so rude right wouldn't do
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Christiana Gave Birth (Again)! [VIDEO]
He was very supportive. You were great when I was pregnant with Obi.
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This is like, this is over-wokeness, you know?
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By the way, I'm an ally for people who have been pregnant. However, I myself, but now you sound like a dead bit.
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Obama, in this case, is like Alex Ferguson. Yes, yes, yes. And then when Obama ends... And, you know, if you follow the American story, you assumed it would be Hillary. Yes. And then Trump comes in as an outsider. You're like, hmm, maybe I want to reconsider. I don't know.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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I feel so bad. I'm such a mean pregnant woman. That's not true. Not to you.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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In the house. Trevor, you'd be like, oh, fine. No, I think my character flaw is that when I'm frustrated with things, there's always like the target of my frustration, even if it's not that person themselves. So I think Lewis had to absorb a lot of my complaints. But also I've had three kids for this man.
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He's a great parent. I say to him, if you died and left me a widow, I'd go and get you back because I can't do this without you. No, just don't die. But that's beautiful though.
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Christiana Gave Birth (Again)! [VIDEO]
My parents are in the UK. His family's in New York. We're very fortunate enough to have a nanny who focuses on two, Luna. Now we just use numbers for the children because we get their names wrong.
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Focuses on two. Lewis currently does the heavy lifting with one. So he gets Obi dressed for school, gives him breakfast, takes him to school, takes him to any activity he needs to have and then brings him back, et cetera, et cetera. And I focus on three. But we have a great village. My parents come out to New York this week to record these episodes. My parents came out from London.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Christiana Gave Birth (Again)! [VIDEO]
They're currently in the hotel like 10 minutes away with Cora. Louis's parents have already come out. They came out shortly after Cora was born and they spent two weeks with us helping us out. So even though we don't have our village always physically present, People are very supportive.
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And I think, you know, it's great to have like the physical support, but so much of parenting is just like the psychological toll. And you guys are part of the village, like friends, family. How are you doing? Checking in three of my best friends from my childhood. Well, we're schoolgirls together. We're in a group chat and we're always like encouraging each other.
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They also have kids. They also have kids. And we're all in different life phases with the kids and ages. And even before they were like, how are you? How are you feeling? You've got your pump late. You're texting me. Or if I came in today. So we have a village. We are incredibly supported. But we still most days feel like we're treading water.
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That's what I feel from, because, like, it's kind of dark, but, like, the war in Iraq, European countries were involved in that. Like, as a Brit.
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So I cannot imagine how I think most parents in America or in the West are just drowning.
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But I think you could be right, Trevor. Maybe I was just very selfish and blinkered. I was like, I still want to go to a place where war criminals are present.
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I mean, I think there was Japan a few years ago experienced the first year where they sold more adult diapers than diapers for babies.
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Because they have this huge geriatric population.
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But people aren't having kids. But to both of your points... um, maybe because of the way I was raised. And so my husband's Dominican, so very immigrant family, very family focused. Dominicano. Dominicano. And I'm, I'm Nigerian and you, you know, you know what that means. We live in LA, which some people say is a vapid place or whatever, but there are good people there.
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And we focus a lot on building our community. Like we take our friends' kids. Even when I was pregnant, I'll take a friend's kid and
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people take our kids and one thing I will say in this postpartum period it being spending time with other people and being active in our trying to build that community it paid dividends in small ways there was a mum at OB school who sent me a text and she was like I've dropped something at your door It was a very sweet, big up lane. She dropped something at my door and I looked out.
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She brought me just some tea. I had another friend, my friend Chris. She was just like, I'm in the neighborhood. And she bought food that you can heat up and stuff like that. And then Cora's godparents, Dara and Emi, they came by, just held the baby for a bit. So I think sometimes we complain about not having community, but are we trying to be good community and village members?
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And I think that we're in this like me, me, me, selfish society, whether it's about your grind, your money, your holidays, whatever you're into. And we've actually forgot how to be village members and we don't. Then we're shocked we don't have a village. So for the last couple of years, I was doing that myself.
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Christiana Gave Birth (Again)! [VIDEO]
So I was just like, how can I be better to the people around me or just show up in the small ways that I can? And this is why I think this third time around, being in a country that's not my own, I felt more settled, more supportive, more checked in because I was always I've been more present for other people.
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And I think that that's a hard thing to say to mothers or parents that like, how many people are you there for? Because you're like, well, I'm drowning. But I think if you have that mentality of like, what's the little thing I can do for you? You know, is there a parent in my child's class that I can be like, oh, I'll drop them home sometimes? Or what's the little thing you can do?
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And that accumulates. And that's how you build a village.
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Are you pitching me to have more kids?
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It's so funny you say that about community. Right now, I'd say one of the most invaluable members of my community is my god sister, Emily. She moved in with us in January. And when I told just strangers that, oh, yeah, my god sister's going to move in with us, people are like, why would you want someone in their early 20s? That's so weird. I was like, yeah, she's coming out to LA. She's got a job.
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I'm like, I love her to bits. I love her parents. Just let her come live with us. And it's so, now I see the benefits of like intergenerational households.
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Christiana Gave Birth (Again)! [VIDEO]
Because now Obi has someone to look to. Yes. Who's not as old as. Yes. Because he was like, what are you? You're not a grown up. Like he doesn't even know what this thing is. He was like, well, I am a grown up, but I'm a young grown up. So he has this thing to look to that he can play with. It's like a pressure relief valve. Right, right. I just have another sister in the house.
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Do you know what I mean? And then she has like an older sister, an older brother to kind of look up to, to ask questions to. And it's changed the rhythm of all of our lives. Like she's up early in the morning because of the kids. I'm learning about Chapel Rowan and all these crazy people because of her. I'm like, what on earth is... No, but it's like, it's opening my mind. It's expanding my heart.
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And it's just like, we have a bigger family. Now, there's some cultures where you would never let someone live with you.
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That is not in your... But it's been one of the best things, I think, to happen to all of us.
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And then when we had Lewis's parents there, we had like the grandparents, parents.
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The rhythm where we're living now where someone's alone or you're having a 2.4 family with 2.5 kids. That is not how it's, we're actually all supposed to be communal and have multiple generations in the same space. And not having that is really bad for us.
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Christiana Gave Birth (Again)! [VIDEO]
And that's crazy for a single mum. My son wasn't a burden because if you speak to most single mothers today, they're like, I'm overwhelmed. I'm drowning. And it actually impacts the relationship I have with this kid because I'm always strained and I'm tense. But just having that pressure release valve, like, oh, I like my kid.
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Trevor, you were raised like that, right?
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They're really surveilled. Yeah. Okay.
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But also, who wants to take any kid? I'm not worried about my kids getting kidnapped. The kidnapper will bring them back.
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Because I mean... The fourth trimester.
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It's the immediate period after you've had a child. After you've given birth, it goes up until... Well, the doctors say it takes two years for your body to be what it was before. And it's never going to be what it was before, but to like... Kind of get back to it. And postpartum looks different for everyone.
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But there's this huge hormonal crash because your body is making all these hormones to grow the baby. Yeah. And then there's this huge crash. And that can mean lots of different things. Your hair falls out for a lot of women. I always, my hair falls out every time.
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Yeah, your head grows in pregnancy. Some of you glowing your nails.
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And then you have the baby and all of those hormones like progesterone, everything comes down. And I get horrible night sweats. That's my really gross thing. So in the night, I always have to, I have night sweats so bad, my fingers wrinkle and I get shivers. So that wakes me up and I put on some new pyjamas every time.
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So you get stuff like night sweats, hair falling out, you know, in the immediate period when your breast, if you're breastfeeding, your breasts get really engorged and they like breastfeeding can be quite rocky for some people. Your skin changes. Obviously, your body changes. All your organs are moving back into position.
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Your uterus is coming down again, you know, because pregnancy moves your organs out of the way. And then for some women, that involves anxiety, depression, coming with the hormones. Also because the stress, like a newborn is like a very fragile thing. And I think from a completely like evolutionary biology perspective, your job is like to keep it alive.
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So it's just like, some women get these things called phantom cries. You hear your baby crying, even though they're not crying. That must suck. Which, yeah, you're just like, the baby's crying. And your husband's like, no, it's not. But it's just like, it's all of these things at once.
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And all the research shows that women in cultures who are more supportive, supported have less postpartum anxiety. A big thing that actually helped me this time is our pediatrician, this amazing woman called Dr. Priest. She does home visits regularly.
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So Dr. Priest would come over and weigh Cora and ask any questions at home because before I would have to go to a different facility, go see the pediatrician somewhere else. So I think a big part of what helped my postpartum this time that a pediatrician would come to the house, that I'd be in my pyjamas. She'd do the exam and then she'd ask me, like, how are you doing?
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She'd just chat, check in, how's breastfeeding going? Oh, you're not sure about the latch? Have you thought about this? Have you thought about, well, her weight's great. Oh, you know, it's just that having the person that was medically supervised to look after my child was a big part in, and her coming to the home, that changed everything. So I didn't have the postpartum anxiety that I had.
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I typically have had in the past, and I think I had some of the confidence of a third-time mum. But, you know, postpartum is also a big identity shift because every time you have a baby, you do go through that shift. And now it's like a new identity as a mum of three. Or as the kid at my kid's school said, Obie's mum, why are you always having babies? LAUGHTER Big up to her.
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Obie's mom, why are you always having babies? And for a lot of women, you don't want to just be known as a mother. You still want to feel like yourself, but you have to find a new self every time. And that's very unsettling. You know, so like postpartum is a big thing. And I think it's not necessarily recognized. It's not talked about.
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And there's a lot of shame around it because no one wants to feel like they're weak or they're inadequate. You know, and I still think that's even in the most developed societies or more supportive society, we still haven't figured out how to help women in that next life phase.
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Well, for Obi and for Luna, I did a thing called Omogwu, which is in Igbo culture, the 40 days after you have a baby. My mum came and my dad, being very modern, also joined my mum for this thing. The first time we did this, I can't believe I'm doing this. But he came out and they did all of that. They'd made the pepper soups and my mum was doing the belly binding and all of that stuff.
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This time, we didn't do it. But yeah, that whole thing of being...
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really having people around you there's a tiktok video that's gone super viral um of as a group of black women they drive up to their friend's house they're playing girl by destiny's child and they're screaming it and the their friend closes the window and shuts the curtains and they're like girl they're singing the song that you need to come outside and they break down the door basically she was postpartum and she'd been sending these texts about um
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not feeling too good. And they were like, we broke down the door to see her. And I think if you're in a culture where it's not like South Africa or Nigeria or developing countries where the system is in place, your friends need to be willing to break down the door. Just intrude. Because in the West, you're so...
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afraid of intruding your personal space is overly respected you know there's cultures where people just show up to your house here you plan hey Josh are you home yeah you go to a restaurant here you don't even go to people's house I think don't be afraid to intrude in those words like you good you good you good because I think most women and men are afraid to ask for help so you have to just like do the thing don't say what do you need just do a thing
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All the dads now are old dads, by the way, Josh.
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Should life be like that? Trevor, do you want kids?
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I think you two both make great fathers.
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I think you make great fathers and... Maybe one of the sad things about the world is that I have friends that are like child free by choice and they'd make the most brilliant mothers and fathers. And it's often the people that are making the real calculus who've done that deep spiritual work, who like experienced ego death.
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who make the decision not to be parents, who would make brilliant parents. I agree with you. But at the end of the day, I think I don't see, I came to a point where I don't see my children as possessions. Maybe this is very Christian mentality. I'm like, you know, a gift from God. God has given me them to kind of guide in this world and uncover who they're supposed to be.
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But they're not just mine. So I don't think you have to have children yourself biologically to parent.
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And I feel like if we had a more expansive view of parenting, that children around us are our collective responsibility.
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Then it's like, do you want biological children that live in your house?
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But then it's just like, you can have children via other means. My kids aren't my possessions. I'm just their custodians. I'm here to guide them.
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Can you imagine the stress a kid is having? The damage, the therapy.
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And we're still making the podcast.
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Not for a while. She's not going to be pregnant again.
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I think Obama did that, but in a different way. Obama made America look so cool and like it could like remake itself in a certain way. Yeah. Because I remember there was like years ago when he was the first time he ran and they did like a poll in Europe about if Obama ran versus I think it was McCain or whoever it was the first time. Yeah. What were the voices? It was like 95% Obama.
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The rest of the world was a no-brainer. Like, this guy is great. His wife is beautiful.
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Feels like Obama did that and then Trump's done it the other way, but that's why I think they're twin flames. You know, I have this whole theory. Oh, you do? About in the past.
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No, but I think we're talking about the same thing, but I'm talking about the witchy version, and you're talking about the sensible version. Trump is America's id, but Obama is who America likes to think they are, because it's like the performance of goodness. Because I think Obama performs as a good person as well, and he probably is a bit of an asshole.
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I would be too in private, but he is humble in public. And then Trump is the dark side, so they're like the darkness and the light. And you know there's an overlap in their voters, right? Right? The same people that voted for Obama also voted for Trump in these swing states. He's appealing to the same parts of themselves, but just the dark and the light.
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I need to get into MMA I need to I want more hobbies is MMA a hobby?
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no to watch because I've been watching football the premiership is depressing for a United fan well the premiership is not depressing for a United fan there we go say it with your chest say it with your chest it's a hard time I've been introducing so I have all these Man U kits for the kids because one of my good friends sent them for me and he's Nigerian so he's like there was a time when this meant excellence so
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Which is an insane, like, it's a crazy culture. In most cultures, they don't even believe in happiness.
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Is that all you want for yourself?
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My friend's sister said, was Jesus happy?
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She was making a big life choice. She's like, I'm not happy. She's like, was Jesus happy?
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And you shouldn't pursue it. It's like pursuing pleasure. It's kind of decadent, right?
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He said, America has failed on its promise. But yes, we can.
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Like the genius. Before we go down this Amor road, this is a very credentialed professor here.
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Exactly. No, because if my parents are listening, they're like, oh, she's just speaking to some person with opinion. I'm like, no, mom and dad.
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RIP… D.E.I. with Ruha Benjamin [VIDEO]
That's for my parents. This woman has a MacArthur genius grant. So she's written a ton of books. For those at home that may not be familiar, Ruha is a tenured professor at Princeton University. That's why I'm like, she's not an amateur, guys. So Nigerian. Let me tell you something.
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Yeah, it's interesting that you mentioned elementary school students because I thought of little expelled Trevor. But I must clearly state I should have been expelled.
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And one thing that struck me about what you said, they should have created a space where Demon Trevor could have thrived. And I'm just... I would love for you to kind of speak a lot more about your abolitionist politics, because I think that is the thread that runs through everything you believe, whether it's Israel and Palestine, reproductive justice...
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how we approach universities, you kind of have this worldview that everyone can kind of be redeemed and fixed. And that kind of starts in the childhood arena of how we do elementary school, which I'm really curious about because I'm currently going through the process of trying to get a little Trevor.
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So I'd love to know more of that because you have this very compassionate, I think, lens on the Trump voter that people may be surprised that someone like yourself has because no one thinks about the fact that, oh, these people do love their children and it's expressed by this antagonist. So I'd love to hear it.
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Trevor, you're so traumatized. We're traumatized African kids.
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Ruha, it's interesting you say that. The thing that made me come across you, not first, but a very viral moment, you gave a commencement speech at your alma mater, Spelman College, and you said black faces in high places will not save us. And for some people who really believe in like representation politics, they jump up against that idea. They think, no, we need black faces in high spaces.
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What brought you to that conclusion? Because it's a very radical one. And also, like, I would say kind of cynical as well. I mean, I'm a cynical person, but I'm just interested about what about your life path brought you to that place? It doesn't matter if it's a black person at the top. Yes. This system is rotten.
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He's saying AI can't gaslight us. No, no, no, no.
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Yeah. I get what you mean. But you know me. I'm just scared of the machines.
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Yeah, no, I completely understand.
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I think it's a tool for censorship, though.
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Because I can't tell them how to articulate their experience. Exactly. So if we invert that, if we say, well, I believe it's a genocide. This is a chant that I choose to use as an ally. If I then in turn say, well, your language is problematic and it's insulting to me. I'm not allowed to do that. No.
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My view is if we really do have free speech, if we have freedom of thought and expression and views, everything is fair game. You know my favorite saying, racists have outlets too. It's the fact that people should be free to say what they like, and I resent that policing instinctively on either side.
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I've always kind of thought that's a straw man argument, just because if we look at the state of society today and who has actual power, you know, these people aren't talking about freedom of speech. We know people are free to say what they say. But the people who bear the most consequences, I think, seem to be the most radical, especially if we think about it.
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The brunt. of the consequences have the more radical view. Which I think is normal in a society. Right now, it's very hard to find a professor on probation for being pro-Israel. Let's be clear.
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probation for being pro-Palestine. And it's the chance of the people who align with Palestine who are being censored and making me uncomfortable.
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Yeah, you are. I'm a product of girl school. Yeah, and so...
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It's going to be tough for you mixed race people, isn't it? Don't worry about us.
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Dominican, Nigerian, Puerto Rican, Brazilian, British and American. They're going to be the only ones in the lab.
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I actually had a follow-up question. You have been an activist alongside the students in the pro-Palestine movement, kind of become the, I'd say, the professorial face of this movement at Princeton. And because of your stance, you've been suspended.
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And that is what you're talking about when you're talking about Black administrators and the protests against genocide, etc., in the light of diversity and inclusion. Can you speak more about that? Because you're putting your career on the line. Absolutely. There's people out there who are like, what's Palestine got to do with you? So I'm really curious about that.
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I'm curious, Ruha, as like Trevor teases me all the time because I'm a bit of a champagne socialist, right? So I'm always very curious about the people that it goes from theory, like you write all these books, to actual praxis. Like you are on probation right now. You know, you're not working because of what you believe in.
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What is it about you and your history that means you're like, oh, this can't just be what I write about. It has to be what I live.
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Oh, he does.
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Yeah, he is.
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Oh, okay.
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PC culture. PC culture.
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With Doge.
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Perhaps more.
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So that means there's no YouTube plants, because I know loads of people have that conspiracy that YouTube plants these creators, and that's why they're so popular. Wait, have you ever been called one of those?
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That's so interesting because normally like people that are famous like outside of the realm of the internet don't necessarily have much success on the internet itself. Because I think like
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the online space is filled with people like you like disruptors people that are like no one knew of before they picked up a camera and they blow up on whether it's Instagram or Twitter or YouTube and so to hear like Cristiano Ronaldo of course he's one of the biggest athletes in the world but all athletes don't have successful YouTube channels so there must be something about him yeah
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I want to go back to something you said earlier about like if you did the video you did 10 plus years ago today, you probably wouldn't break through, right? So now we have like this higher bar to just get through the noise. Do you think that's like really impacted the type of content creators that we actually now get to become famous?
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I love unboxings. Handbags though.
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You can literally watch- Big genre on YouTube, by the way, knives.
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I always forget who's Logan or Jake. One of them, what? It's the one that punches and the one that doesn't.
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Or they keep having babies. Every time the views go down, they have another baby.
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Wait, people do that? Yeah. My favorite genre of family channels is like people that have over seven kids. I just, I'm obsessed with them. Wait, so people have more babies to get more views? Babies are great for views. Gender reveals, you know. It's very cynical. It's kind of dark. But like family vlog channels are driven by like how many kids you can have.
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You know, I'm really curious because there's always like this kind of trope of the people that run these tech companies saying, They have minimal tech in their personal lives and they're very keen that their children have no exposure to tech, right? So there's a story about Steve Jobs and, you know, all these people, they don't let their kids have iPads.
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Yeah. And it's always been like this interesting paradox because they like they sell this stuff to other people. And a lot of like walnut parents, you know, the iPad kid is kind of a trope of being in the restaurant and just like swiping on the iPad. Right.
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I'm curious about your thoughts on it, about how much should children have access to, whether it's iPhones, the gab, which is really popular that I know a lot of kids have these watches. What are your feelings on it?
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And so the news reports- Kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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That's like disproportionate to what actually happens.
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Because you keep saying that the weight of the publish button feels heavy, which is, like, very grave, I think, for, like, existing online. Do you miss the days when it wasn't heavy? When you kind of... It was this creative space where you could explore and talk about the things you love without being afraid of, like, this outrage machine.
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you're a tech reviewer for the rollout of a product that you were excited about or you know being silly do you miss when you're just like I would publish because I like this shit and I want people to be into what I'm into or what I don't like you know
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And you couldn't turn it down.
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This is why I don't like electric cars.
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Oh, what I hate is the printers that you have to subscribe to for them to print.
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It's just so scammy and weird.
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And I feel like- I mean, they don't invent things. That's never been their job. The phone already existed and they made the best version of a phone. You know, a watch existed. They made a best version of a digital watch.
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In your dream scenario, what do you think AI would be able to do for us? Because right now, I hate AI. I think it's weird shit. I'm scared. I think we should shut it all down. But I'm curious about, you know, kind of like AI enthusiasts, like what's the best case scenario in terms of this thing helping the world?
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My questions are so basic, bitch.
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Well, my favorite video of his, you wore like four watches and you did the step count. Right. And I currently use a step count for my phone. I use my iPhone. I know that's not that accurate. So I love that video of yours. I want to know like your most practical tech product that you think like boring Luddite mums like me can go and buy and be like, this is actually making my life better.
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No, because I like that step thing because it's just like, I do like to know how many steps I'm getting in. Like, it's a thing that people do like to know, like 10,000 steps. I know it's a myth, but I'm like, what is the product that you'd be like, buy this, it is going to make your life that bit better. It's what technology is supposed to do.
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How I'm sleeping and, you know, how I'm sleeping.
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I didn't even know smart scales existed.
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I guess I come from it because like as a writer. all this machine learning, it's taking people's innate and creative thoughts. I think what they're feeding the machine kind of worries me. I think it's plagiarism, right?
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And it showed him himself?
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I don't know why.
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No, yeah, I'm with you.
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You know what I mean?
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No, no, I'm interested because you get to travel and I don't. So I'm living vicariously through you right now.
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You're in the end.
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It's great, especially when the weather's good. When the weather's good, it's one of the best cities in the world.
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That sentence... That's crazy. I'm surprised that you've been to London and the weather's been good because normally it's just rainy and grey. Like, that's the London I know.
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It's being British. It's like the national pastime is to speak about the weather. So you're either complaining about it or you're happy about it. Those are the two states of emotion when it comes to the weather.
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Oh, a nation of complainers.
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Oh, you know, I have a vendetta against dolphins.
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Dolphins are like rapists. They're like the most evil, horrible... No, okay, I don't agree with this. Nope. Dolphins? Tell your story.
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I am very anti-dolphin. Tell me the story.
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I know that dolphins are capable of rape. They often do rape. Okay. Just like male cats.
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And... Pigs are incredibly intelligent.
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No, but my point is, no, because like at the Daily Show, it's like a bit about how much I hate dolphins. And I seem like a weirdo because I hate dolphins. But I'm just saying that there are some animals that are capable of like being incredibly cruel.
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Okay. But what I'm trying to say, I'm actually disagreeing with our friend Rutgers here. Like...
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I think men are the chimpanzees. You know, I want all the restraints on men and everyone else is fine. You already know, like, I'm a misandrist in the making. Wow. You're just going to throw us all under the bus at the same time. Yeah, men are predators. Men are scary. I don't speak to men after 5 p.m. that aren't like my husband or Trevor or my dad. I don't speak to men after 5 p.m.
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But aren't like, they have to be vetted like Trevor or like my husband and my son. Wow. And my life has never been better.
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No, I drive perpetually terrified.
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Because I live in Los Angeles.
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That's not morality. That's just a reason. I believe humans are rational.
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Have you been to a park recently, Trevor?
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Okay, so... I understand what you're both saying, Rutger, Trevor.
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Like, Rutger, I mean, I objected to your work because you don't like Hobbes, and I agree with Hobbes. I have a very, like, dismal view of human nature.
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The old British philosopher. I have a Leviathan poster in my bedroom. No, but I think, and maybe it's... I think actually becoming a parent has probably deepened my... not pessimism, it's fear. That's where I'm speaking from. And a lot of people have this genuine fear of other human beings, of systems, of institutions right now.
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And I think a pronounced version of that is like the Trump voter who's like, I want the wall. I don't want immigrants. Or it's like a mother like myself who like doesn't believe in sleepovers because I'm like, I don't want my kid getting molested. And everyone's like to me, you're crazy. And I'm like, well, child molesters everywhere. They're like, are they really? But like,
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I think for a lot of people who are afraid for valid reasons or, you know, you'll read the newspaper and they'll say crime is down. But, like, people feel like crime is up. Like, women won't jog in a park at night, you know.
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So it's really hard, I think, for myself and for a lot of people to reconcile this idea of, like, a good world and people being kind with, like, your lived experience, I guess. And I think as a parent, I feel that acutely because I'm, like, everywhere I go, I, like, grab my kids' hands, right?
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Yeah. I think what I'm struggling with is I grew up in a very like communal culture. So there was a lot of trust with like... Leave your baby outside. Leaving your baby at people's houses and you're like, I have to work. I do the night shift. I'm going to come pick up my kid when I can. Like it's that type of culture.
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And I think in like this like hyper capitalist weird world where there are no communal bonds, like... You don't even know the name of your neighbors. It becomes really hard to be like, well, your neighbor is probably trustworthy and kind and somebody that is as valuable as yourself.
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I think that our atomization is contributing to this very real fear of other people and people just hoarding their resources. So it kind of becomes like this self-fulfilling prophecy in a way, but the way we live our lives, I think, informs it a lot.
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Yeah, I think your experience is also like informed by the body you're in, you know? So my experience as a black woman when I go to Nigeria and they kind of clock me as a westerner means like we can get money.
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You're a white woman.
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I can get money out of this one. You know, may vary in certain parts of Los Angeles. And, you know, so maybe lots of people in the world are like, you know what? When I come into a space, people aren't welcoming. And then that reinforces this idea.
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Are humans really kind? Are groups really kind? And as you said, it benefits these billionaires.
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I want to preface this. I'm actually an abolitionist. No, I know you are. I don't even believe in police. But I guess what I'm trying to say is that like... The way my perception is shaped as a woman is that like the violence. Completely. It's not, I'm not, I'm afraid of straight, you know, I don't like men in general.
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That's why the table is like this size. I mean, just to keep you. It's often, it's not just strange men, it's familiar men, right? And so it's just like, I think for some groups, it's really, I find tremendous safety in other women. Now, if it was a world where it's just like my community of women and my friends around me, they're who I lean on the most.
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And I'm like, oh, if the world was them, I'd feel differently. And I say that as someone that's like generally very optimistic about myself. I wouldn't have moved to America if I wasn't an optimistic person. But I've had these like core experiences that have shown me that I guess it was a lot of racism. People are wicked, right? It was a racism I received as like a child in the classroom.
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I'm raising my children to be like, it's a world out there and I have a son and I'm like, at a certain age, your boyhood ends much earlier than a kid with blonde hair and blue eyes. So there's certain things, you know, you can't do in public. Like you can't throw a tantrum past 10 because someone may call law enforcement.
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So I think like the idealized worldview often comes, can come when you're kind of like a person who is automatically given the benefit of the doubt. And I think for people like myself and people that are like in far worse positions, that doesn't happen. And so you don't necessarily experience the kind world, even if you put kindness out there.
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No, don't come here.
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You know, but this is what I do think. Can I say something? All of it. I think the light bearers like Rutger, the nice white people, should go out there and do this type of work. I think what he's doing is very important because he's the type of person people listen to. You can have the ear of an entrepreneur and an activist. Because of your position, you're listened to and respected.
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And you're using your white privilege, male privilege for good. I think it's like, this is actually the ideal. This is what you should use it for. That I agree with. You know what I mean? That I agree with.
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Ten year fucking history of disagreeing. This is us.
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Love it. Where's your cut up point? Like what's the income where you won't throw shade? I'm very curious about that. What's the number?
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I say Trevor's optimistic because he's like, he's like the chosen one, like Obama of South Africa. Everything's gone right for him.
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everything has gone you were born right at the perfect he's like mixed race everything has gone apartheid fooled he's you know everything has gone right for me John Stewart quits he's fooled like I just feel like he's like got this like good karma yes you know what I mean so I'd be optimistic about Trevor yeah I'd love the world but this is the thing this is the thing that I believe yeah
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No, I don't think you do.
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You know I carry a box cutter in my handbag.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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It's already happening. Oh, well, there you go. There's an anti-timeout movement right now.
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I know. I do believe... Listen, I want to be clear so everyone doesn't think like I'm complete pessimist. No, no.
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I'm optimistic about myself. I keep telling you guys. But everyone... I just... I... Because, you know, there's so many people in my life I love because of their kindness, right? So it'd be ridiculous for me to say. It's just I struggle with the idea of humanity as kind because of the way where we are right now. But that can change. I'm open to my mind being changed.
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I completely agree because I'm from England. And whenever I go home, I'm like, this country is so poor. And I'm going to say that because Americans can skew your perception of what money is. Because there's just so much money here. Everything is so expensive.
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There was a piece in the New York Times recently about how they are giving financial aid to families that make $800,000 a year to attend private school. Because even though they have $800,000 a year... They cannot afford to send their kids to these private schools, which cost about $70,000 a year. And if you have two, three kids, do the numbers. And that's kind of the class that does pay taxes.
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I actually love veganism like as a way of life. It's just like, I think it's, I think it's crazy. I like Chanel.
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And sometimes you live in a place where even though in the abstract, you know, you're like among the wealthiest in the world. You're like, how am I going to pay for gas? How am I going to pay for my accommodation? How am I going to give my kids a better life? So you can be rich here and feel really poor. Right.
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Yeah, but I guess my thing is on the billionaire front, I think the fact that these billionaires exist seems like a profound failure. Yeah. I agree. No, but I agree. No, no, no. I agree with that. I'm just like, a billion of a thing is a lot. It's just like one billion. Like, how did we get here? That's my question.
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In any system, because we know that under socialism, there are people that hoard and steal and also have a billion. So I'm like, shouldn't we be in a world where we're like, do we want billionaires? Like, forget them paying more taxes. I'm even like to the left of you. I'm like, I just don't think they should exist.
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She just means that the financial thing. I love all the founders.
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No, but I just honestly believe that like that's an expression. Like you and I say intensive farming is a failure of your imagination. I believe like the fact that we're like.
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Yeah, I just think to be a billionaire, you have to hoard. And I don't believe in wealth hoarding. I think it's because like to you speaking about Occupy World Shoot, the thing that bothered people is that like the gap between the have and the have nots has widened so much. And it's been at the benefit of this billionaire class.
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So I can't I can't just imagine any world where we're like we're OK with having that if somebody makes five or seven thousand dollars more a year. Like so I'm basically telling you next time you go to Davos. You should be like, forget paying more taxes. You guys need to give all your money away. Men's is never going back.
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Rutger, I'm really curious. For people at home who have some sort of moral ambition but don't know how to channel it and they don't necessarily want to go vegan, what can you do in your little patch of the world to make it better?
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And for many different reasons.
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He's also a guy that gives away tons of money all the time without even thinking about it. He gives everyone money.
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Not too much now, Trevor. No, no, no. It's true. It's true. I'm from Brixton.
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Oh, yeah. And then you cross, you go past the tube station. You're like, what's going on here? Exactly.
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You know, it's interesting maybe because now I compare the US to the UK a lot more. Now I've lived here for like nearly 10 years. And, you know, when I go back to the UK, everyone's like, oh my God, the guns. They're like, oh, the guns and health care and obviously Trump and the other lady that was trying to be president. You live in a crazy place.
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But the thing I have noticed is kind of like this because of austerity. I don't know how much you know about the Tory government. It's kind of like this urban, suburban, rural blight. You can see the lack of investment. in people and the country.
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Stores are boarded up. They're dilapidated. Yeah, like where I used to work, I used to work in this department store called Alders, which is now closed in the Whitgift Centre in Croydon. And if you go to the Whitgift Centre now, it used to be this like bustling kind of shopping mall. And now you're like, it's like a ghost town, right? Like this NHS, which is like brilliant, free healthcare.
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But people are like, I'm on a list for two years to get a knee replacement. And when I go into central London, a lot of the wealth I see is foreign wealth. I don't necessarily come across people like, I was born and raised in London and I made my dream come true here. So, you know, I just see the gap between the have and the have not seems to be getting wider everywhere.
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But in America, it's more acute because there's just so much money here. if that makes sense.
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Sounds like a Japanese TV show, like The Toddler and the Pig. Toddler vs. Pig. Which one shops better?
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That's the one I'm talking about.
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Every group chat with me.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you go meet with the enemy.
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Politically, my friends are all over the map. Have you changed in any way? She definitely has. I've changed my opinion about lots of stuff.
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Yeah, you know how it is. You know how it is. Whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Has your mom's parenting changed a lot? So...
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I mean, Biden was pretty significant about climate change and infrastructure.
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I mean, but they intersect. There's a huge overlap.
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And then you're going to help a lot of people of color.
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But Scott, don't you think it's still concerning that 70% of the people who are poor are people of color?
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I mean, I've never felt that diversity.
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What part of London? Marylebone. Oh, what made you choose London?
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I do want to say something. It's actually shown that when Black people do acquire some wealth or high income, because of the communities we're connected to, a disproportionate amount of that income goes to other family members or friends. So Black rich is actually very different from white rich.
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If we talk about that Black kid at Harvard or Princeton, maybe they are like one or two generations away from having someone who wasn't a college graduate. So I think we should be careful when we do talk about the Black community. affluent class who are apparently getting all these handouts.
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You sound like a great husband.
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I mean, I don't think the solve for all of this is black people, Asian people, whatever group to become rich. Or even the solve that we have for the white male crisis.
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And it's going to deepen with the great wealth transfer that's going to happen with the boomers. I think we have to acknowledge that. When the boomer generation pass on their wealth, they're calling it the great wealth transfer. And that is going to deepen the inequity between black minority groups and white millennials in ways that is unprecedented.
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They don't. They're also more likely to live in a poorer neighborhood. The New York Times did a great story on affluent black people who had the same income.
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Oh, nice. So you have the citizenship?
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Scott, what I wanted to say is I completely agree with you. And I think what you have is a very fair reading. But I worry about us losing the nuance of the collective experience that certain groups in this country have that are different.
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So your parents are British, but you were born in America.
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I agree. I don't even have a kid, Christiana. Stop bullying me. This is what happens.
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And are your parents still in America? Yeah.
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Oh, so they stayed. Does he still have his accent?
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Okay, and now this is where I bring in the race stuff, right? Black women overwhelmingly voted for Vice President Harris. Whose sons in this country are doing the worst? Who is going from the school to prison pipeline? Who is disproportionately impacted by marijuana being illegal? Who's disproportionately interrupted by the carceral state, whether it's being stopped and frisked?
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It is black men in this country. 100%. So why didn't Black mothers do that? Because we care about our sons, too. I know I care about my son. Why didn't they make the same decision? And their sons are also, if they're not in prison, they're downstairs playing video games as well.
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I can tell you why that is.
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some of the immigration sentiment really resonated. Really resonated. And Tressie talks about it all the time, the idea of black jobs. A lot of people laughed at Trump when he said that thing about black jobs. But for a lot of black women, they're like, I know the jobs he's talking about, the jobs that my brother used to do and my uncle did and my father did.
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So I think the immigration sentiment... also spoke to them and also VP Harris. They weren't, some black women weren't fans of hers and they didn't feel like they should have to vote for her based on their identity. But I just, I kind of rub up against the idea that this cohort of white women voted because they're worried about their sons.
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I think perhaps they wanted to be protected under patriarchy, which is a very rational decision. And I don't, I mean, I may have feelings about it, but they're probably siding with their husbands. Yeah.
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And what made your parents leave the UK?
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But those women don't, these women can't have babies that shifted. But they're not worried about getting an abortion. They're in menopause.
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Man, that's from Glasgow.
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Well, Glasgow was a bad time.
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I'm from London, South London.
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I came out in 2014. That's been a while. So, yeah, I came out when I was like...
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26 just about to turn 27 yeah I've been here 10 years now but I'm thinking about what my exit is and when I talk to Trevor about it all the time oh really we should talk about that yeah I'm just like I'd like to have a foot in each world like how can I build my career so I'm like partially in LA partially in London because I don't know how you feel but I find London very like grounding and like grounded in a way that I haven't found in the US yeah as much as US has lots of opportunity and all of that I'm just like
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Yeah, I've got three kids.
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I mean, I love it. I'm a Nigerian woman. I love weddings. I love the idea of a society making people get married. I've been trying to get this guy to get married for years. No, no, no, you haven't. You haven't.
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But the reason they got more... At point, they got more recruits than Al-Qaeda is because they paid you a bit more.
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So it's just like they gave them jobs.
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But Scott, don't you think it points to the fact that a lot of men don't care about men? Because I think about the woman in my life, not just mothers, sisters, friends. We spend a lot of time worrying about the men and boys in our life. Give the example of... A single mother is just with her son. Now, if a mother is absent from a friend's life, other women will step in and fill that woman's role.
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Why aren't men saying, well, there's a single mother down the street, or I have a family member that's single. Why aren't men stepping in? Why don't men care about men and boys?
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The Problem with Men, with Scott Galloway [VIDEO]
Can I tell you an idea I have? I wish more men made men who are bad fathers a pariah. Like if you have a friend that doesn't see his kid, he shouldn't be a friend.
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And I feel a lot of compassion. I think any failed promise, whoever it's made to, I feel a lot of compassion for those people.
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I think that you should become a social pariah if you don't look after your kids. You should become... No, because I... And I'll say this, and I've seen it in my community a lot. There are deadbeats, and there is no consequence. Their friends still roll with them, their mother still let them in their house, and they do not show up for their kids.
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And if a woman... does not look after her child. If a woman even comes back to work early, I've had people DM me like, you had a baby eight weeks ago. Who's with the baby? Right? Like, I ostensibly think I'm doing a good thing. Do you know what I mean? And a woman who is not seen as a perfect mother is judged and vilified. And absent fathers, there is no social consequence.
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So I'm saying there should be a social consequence for not showing up for your son.
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I normally see the inverse. I think, and it's evolutionary biology. They say that, what's the saying? That it's a mother's baby's father's maybe. A man is more likely to treat his... his sister's child with more love than he is his mate's child or his wife's child. They've done studies on this because you know your sister's child is related to you.
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All that to say, I believe a man's relationship with his children I know this is not going to be a popular thing to say, it's often connected to how he feels about the children's mother. Yes, no, but I agree with that. So for the most part, it's men being like, I split up with you, I see you less. He gets a second wife and he's a really good dad to those second set of kids.
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I see that all the time. Less so do I see women, and I'm not saying that these villainous women don't exist, who say you can't see your kid. I think that's a cultural trope we've made up.
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I think we're making a lot of excuses for men because mothers can't do the same thing.
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Okay, Scott, I think a relationship is one thing. My husband, interestingly enough, was raised by a single mother, but had great male role models in his grandfather and his uncle. So I actually get concerned about how little trauma he has. That's my worry with him. But he has this incredible group of male friends.
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They're really tight and they've all become dads at the same time and they take their kids out together. And I'm really struck by how much he invests time in his friendship. And even in that group of men, there's about seven to eight of them. A couple of them aren't married yet, but they're still involved. So if there's a birthday, they'll fly in, et cetera, et cetera.
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I kind of rub up against the idea that having a mate is the only arena these men can find care because I see a lot of women marry men and they're like, now I have someone to babysit.
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Isn't there a way that we can encourage young men to invest in their friendships and in a brotherhood and in their communities in a way that means even if you don't have a romantic relationship, you still have a really rich and fulfilled life because this world where my daughters are going to grow up
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And okay, the man does have a job or whatever, but she's going to have to look after him all the time. And if she doesn't, he falls off the rails. I'd rather like it be a man who has a really rich interior life and social network. And if he's married or not, or if he has a girlfriend or not, it doesn't matter. It's not as socially devastating.
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Or the way we can perhaps make it.
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I'm not an optimist. I'm just saying that we have that in common.
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I think it depends on the friends. I like my husband's friends.
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This is different. I don't really like men. There's a boys club and they leave me alone.
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They become these dangerous men.
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I have a question, Scott. I love the recommendations you get, you've given to men. As a parent, as parents at home listening to this, they're raising like preteen adolescents. What are the things that they can do to kind of push their sons along the right track? Is it delaying giving them a smartphone? Is it putting them in clubs? Not all boys are athletic. Do you know what I mean?
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Well, the thing is, Scott, I think the reason why what Trump is doing, from a geopolitical perspective, it's like a bad decision if we think about the real politic. But to the regular American who's worried about the price of eggs, right? Who is just like, I'm worried about my employment. I'm worried about the schools my kids go to. I'm worried about the housing crisis that's ongoing.
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And they hear, you sent how much to Ukraine?
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So how do we kind of speak to those people and get them to see the other perspective?
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Yeah, I think it's like the latter, right? And I think even if we were in this utopia where we accepted everyone's bodies, like I think The Economist did a piece about talking about the fact that like women's salaries are pegged to what they weigh. Yes. And if you lose a certain amount of weight, your salary goes up.
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So it's just like the market forces for whatever reason, we know the reasons, reward being skinny. And by the way, did you see the opposite is true for men?
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Yeah. And I think for women, it's always going to be, you are judged. That connection between morality and beauty and health. I think people just collapse it into one. They don't see them as different things. Even if they use a language like, don't you want to be healthy? But they're saying to someone, don't you want to lose weight?
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And I think it's going to be harder for women to escape that, unfortunately.
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In the flesh. We used to do this every day. Yeah. Remember? We used to make a show every day.
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Compulsive shopping? Yeah. I read about that. Someone who stopped them compulsive shopping.
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Yeah. We don't judge gambling or drinking or online shopping in the same way that we do weight. So that was what the person was fixated on. I got on Ozempic to lose weight. But they discovered all these other parts of themselves. They were awakened to like, I actually spend too much money. Like a woman said she was going through Target and she wasn't putting things in her cart. Yes.
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You liked it so much you quit. And left us.
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This is what I mean. In the same way. And I found that so interesting. We don't see like excessive shopping the same way we see excessive eating. And I think that's the most interesting part of the drug.
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I think my slight pushback to that is like being a Brit in America is that it's actually very hard to have a regulated relationship with the pleasure of food when there are very few pleasures. So food is like a very easy and cheap pleasure. I think that's okay if you're in a country where there's a park down the road, I can play tennis for free.
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It's just like you get pleasure and that humanity everywhere. It is like one of the dopamine hits. But in this country, I feel like food and alcohol are the only cheap, accessible pleasures. But if we were in a more...
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Also, this isn't unique to America. I don't want to, because, like, England, like, is pretty tough right now. So we're seeing similar things there, too.
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Yeah, I think, Trevor, what you're getting at is that we've always thought all of these things are just a question of willpower. Yeah. Yes, and responsibility. And gee, I think your piece touches on that as well. It's not about, it's not willpower. Like the system is basically working against all of us and some of us are able to resist better than others. And resist some of it, by the way.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
And some of it, but I think it's caught all of us in a way.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
Also, I think, Gia, just to hop in, it's like we're talking about a Zen pick so much because people lose weight and we think losing weight is the better thing to do. And now it means that there'll be a class of people that can do that and not have to go through the cruelty of fat phobia. And it's going to be the people with money that can perhaps escape that everyday cruelty.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
And then the people that don't can't do that.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
Do you know what I mean? You know, not to speak on behalf of fat people or fat women at all, but I think there's such... So little imagery of women that had perhaps Adele's old body or Jennifer Hudson's old body. There was something very comforting for people to see a fat woman who's thriving and have this incredible career.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
And there's like this disappointment or resentment when that celebrity then changes their body. I speculate some of that.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
I just wanted to throw Tressie in. Oh, definitely. Tressing Macmillan Cottom.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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brilliant sociologist she talks about structural ugliness right this yeah the thing about like how beauty is like this structural concept and like even though you can feel beautiful on an individual level structurally if you are dark skinned fat and right you're seen as ugly and i think what a zen pic is getting at is just like it's this cure to that structural ugliness of weight
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
That's interesting. And that's what a lot of thinkers are trying to resist, that, like, why have we made being bigger structurally ugly?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
You're cheating.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
So that's like the one side. Okay, so I agree with you, but I think, Gia, you probably understand what I say here. As a woman in those spaces, sometimes it is so hard to disconnect the pursuit of longevity and health for the pursuit of a body that, especially in a city like LA, New York or London, that people won't disapprove of.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
It's basically, I was like... Yeah. Where do you stand on this? Oh my God, Trevor, you can't ask me that at the beginning of the thing. That's exactly where you start, at the beginning. I am pro-choice when it comes to Zen Pick. Oh, I like this. Well played. I am pro-choice. I'm pro-choice. That's who I am. Yeah.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
And not just make judgments, but express those judgments. Yes. But I think with... fat people, we're very prescriptive.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
Like, and sometimes it's that- Well, and we see that body as like, this is a sign of a problem. Like, are you sure you want to eat that? Is a thing said to people who are fat or like, I saw a TikTok, a woman was like, being fat and exercising is people on the street going- go you, I'm so proud of you. And she's like, I'm just on a ride. Like, why do you feel this need to like encourage me?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
The people trying to be nice, but like what's under that is like, you're someone that should be pitied and needs my encouragement in a way that's kind of infantilizing you. And I think that's the thing about fatphobia. We just feel like we can say anything to people who are fat. And it's often really cruel.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
No. I've seen friends and family members on the drug and seen how it's changed their life.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
Changed their lives in what way? Beyond the weight, they seem more comfortable in their bodies. Some of them had like back and knee issues. You know, some people, it was just like they were struggling. Some people, it's like it's kind of regulated their appetite. They're drinking less. So when you see it from that perspective, it's been like, oh, wow.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
Interesting.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
So I'm pro the choice, but I'm not pro the societal pressure that I think some people feel to take.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
I agree with you. I have a working theory. I think that as there is this kind of anti-wokeness thing happening and people are swinging to the right, I think the obsession with thinness is also an expression of that. And as long as we're in this kind of right-wingish, populist, conservative space,
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
era people are going to long to be thin because I think that when people talk about when people like use woke as a slur they'll mention people they'll mention movements they'll mention DEI they'll mention body positivity they'll mention transness all of these things that for a brief moment for about two to seven years were coming into mainstream, almost acceptance. They weren't quite acceptance.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
They were coming into it. And I think that this thin, white, blonde, ideal Barbie movie, guys, it's not a coincidence. It's not a coincidence that like Mattel made an ad and we were like, oh, we should get an Oscar. But it's just like... All of that being ascendant and like the Kardashians, as you say, rejecting like the curvy body. As long as that's the case, people are going to want to be thin.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
Damn. And the Kardashians remembering their white. And being white and even dating white men. Something's happening. And then like until it swings and people are like, we don't mind curvy bodies. We don't mind brown skin and full lips and people, the politics feel different. I think the thinness in the Olympic is here to stay.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
I heard he's on Ozempic. Everyone calling him... Wait, what? They're saying Ozempic Trump. They're calling him Ozempic Trump.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
Allegedly. Please, Maga, don't come for me. Please. Allegedly. Wow. He looks different. I believe it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
I mean, it's funny that you mention the childhood stuff that it brings up because recently it was approved for children. Oh, it was? Yeah. And there are parents who are making the decision. I don't know about that. I mean, Trevor, that's very visceral. You're like giving it to kids.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
That's weird. It's so crazy. But I meet mothers, a lot of older girls who are like preteens and teenagers, and they'll show you pictures of their daughter and be like, oh, but this one needs to lose weight. You know, like mothers, it's so encoded in our culture that there are mothers out there and fathers out there. You need to lose weight.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
I mean, most people's relationship with food don't come from themselves. They often come from their parents and their families.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
It's really interesting. There is this cultural... The body that's idealized is quite hard to get. So it's like big hips, tiny waist and big boobs and a big bum, which is...
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
pretty impossible to get right most people don't have it naturally and you're not probably going to have that after you have kids I was always considered a bit too skinny like my grandma was like I remember she was saying to me once she was crying and my mum was like why are you crying she was just like she calls me by my name Amma she was just like who's going to marry Amma she's got bones right
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
You know, if you actually go to West Africa in particular, you see a lot of body diversity. So you see like really tall women, really muscular women. And like in Nigeria, I think the most, the biggest indicator about how bodies naturally are is that does your tribe have a fattening room? Which is like before a woman gets married, she has to go to a room. You said a fattening room.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
They call it a fattening room where you have to become fat because the girls are just naturally quite muscular, especially in like in the Southeast, quite muscular and live. You know what I mean? So you know what that means. Fatness is supposed to be good, a sign of fertility.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
Until you get fat.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
Yeah. Oh, I don't know. I don't know about that. Oh, wait. Okay.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
Is it like... They're giving you yams and thick food, carbohydrates, basically, and lots of meat to make you bigger.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
I mean, the girls didn't want to get fat or get married. So it's kind of like...
What Now? with Trevor Noah
The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) [VIDEO]
I'm sorry, guys. It always gets dark.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
Because that's like there's like different cultural expectations. Yes.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
Defiance. It feels like defiance.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
I'm going to throw in the room's a mess.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
Explain the difference because some people actually dismiss the validity of ADHD as a diagnosis. They're like, well, everyone has it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
I'm really curious because you said, I'm Black.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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And your focus is children. Yes. And we know that Black children, minority children in this country tend to be really underdiagnosed.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
And as a result, they're often expelled. It's like, that's a bad kid. And we know about the school to prison pipeline and I can't remember the statistic about how many people in the prison system actually have ADHD.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
It's like a huge, huge swath of like black men in this country who were once black boys with ADHD who were never diagnosed because of, you know, historical and social factors. So you're a bad boy. You're a bad kid.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
Systemic racism. So we're in this kind of very negative loop that becomes multigenerational because I think culturally sometimes we don't have the words. Someone's anxious. They may say my nerves is bad. They're not going to say that like I have anxiety.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
So there's none of the cultural language. So I'm wondering like what can we do for those children around us where they actually have internalized the idea that they are bad. The school is saying that they're a bad kid and they're on that expulsion track. How do we get...
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
Do you know what I'm saying? Trevor, normally I agree with you when you say stuff about capitalism and office workers and the ADHD brain. I'm with you on that. But I think the ADHD brain can make you a bad partner in a relationship. Definitely. You know, I mean, like, imagine you didn't even have a job and you have all the money in the world. Oh, that's what I disagree with.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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Your wife is saying to you, I need you to pick up the dry cleaning.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
But maybe in their personal lives. And that's why I mentioned the partner thing, Tom Brady. I'm not saying he has ADHD. His life kind of fell apart when he retired, right?
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And then he has to go back to the thing and then, you know.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
I don't want to look at it strictly through a heterosexual lens, but I think domestic labor is something most couples, whatever you are, struggle with. Who does the washing up? Who gets the laundry? Who's kicking today? Who's cleaning? The house needs to be in a certain way. And when you have children, that's even compounded, right? For the most part, women take on a lot of domestic labor.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
We talk about the mental load all the time. It's women doing that. And I speak to a lot of friends whose husbands have ADHD. And they're like, we're really dealing with the gender differences that come up where I'm doing a lot of the domestic labor. But this man is also forgetful. But he's not being an asshole. Do you know what I mean?
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
Because sometimes there's this idea that like, you know, the lazy man is like, he's struggling. He generally forgot to take out the trash, even though I can smell it. Right. He forgot to take out the trash. He didn't make the bed. He didn't pick up the dry cleaning. I organized the cleaner. You forgot to get the cash to pay the cleaner.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
And like that can cause a lot of tension in relationships. And then you think that that person dislikes you. Because I think when you're in love with somebody, it's like, if you love me, you do this thing for me. but they're incapable of doing it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
So this could go either way because there's a lot of wives who have the ADHD and the husband doesn't.
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Why do you put so much on your plate? Is this part of why people with ADHD have higher levels of depression and suicide?
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As an excuse. I would, like I use pregnancy not to do stuff.
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No, but I'd be like, I can't. I can't breathe. He'd be like, can you switch on the light? I'm pregnant. The light's like, I can't breathe. I'm pregnant.
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And you don't know where stuff is.
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Okay. And do you know something you said there? Because I feel very ignorant to ADHD because I think my brain is probably wired the opposite way. When you said that piece about the control and you're doing it for them, you're saying that people with ADHD are capable of doing these things.
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Okay. Because in my mind, I'm like, oh, you just can't do it. But they are capable.
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Yeah. Do you know what? I think that means for the person who is not neuro-spicy and is wide in a very typical way, it requires a lot of acceptance. Because part of me is judging. I'm like, what's wrong with you?
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Who do you call? Exactly. Trevor.
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It's true. It's true.
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I wouldn't be a good life coach. No, because I would probably tell you that it's not going to go well for you and you need someone like inspiring. You know, I think I'm just too cynical and real to be a life coach.
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Yeah, don't do it. This rap thing, it's not working out for you.
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Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
I just be like, medicine, accounting, engineering, we need more plumbers, electricians. I'm just going to tell you to do regular jobs and make some money, but...
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Well, I do want to work somewhere that's open to the spirit realm, but that's a bit too open. You know what I mean?
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Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
Yeah, yeah.
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Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
Because the ADHD person can keep going a lot of times.
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She said the poetic version.
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If you're the non-ADHD parent or partner, whoever you are, in relation to someone with ADHD, I think it can really increase your empathy and your sense of patience if you really sit with the diagnosis. Because what you're saying right now, whether somebody has ADHD or not, to say to your partner, let me...
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Just finish what you're doing and we'll talk when, like, you can give me your full attention. Yes. Would change so many things.
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Or even dealing with your child. Yes. Because sometimes I like, you just say things to a kid. But maybe the kid is like, with their Legos or their dolls or whatever.
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Yeah, have you pressed record? You haven't pressed record? Okay, we'll come back to it.
What Now? with Trevor Noah
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So it's how you communicate to an ADHD person.
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Whether it's parent to child, romantic.
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I have a question about setting up for success that I've seen a lot of parents grapple with and it's the question of medication. Yes. Now, I'm a millennial and I think we're like the Ritalin generation as well. And there's a lot of millennials who felt that they were over-medicated, that they look back at their childhood and they're like, I felt like a zombie.
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They're trying to figure out who they are without the presence of some sort of medication. And I think a consequence of that is that a lot of millennial people who are becoming parents now who are medicated as kids are maybe reluctant to medicate their children, do not know when they should introduce that modality. What are the ethics of it?
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Can you even, you know, I struggle giving my kids Tylenol. I'm like, is this a
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Existential morning, crazy evening.
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That's hard because it always, it should be always about me.
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Trying to bring it back. Yeah. Why this has been so useful for me, I just think for people that are in community, with people with ADHD, whether you're a parent, a partner, a friend, it's like our job is to understand the superpower, understand how it works, understand if you're drinking some water late at night. Oh, they probably wanted ice cream. They're having the water. Leave them.
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Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers [VIDEO]
Don't be like, why are you drinking a cold glass of water? At 12.30 in the morning, just be like, this is their way of coping.
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Reluctantly. I love it. Enjoy your sleep. Wouldn't have it any other way.
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You've said this enough times.
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I'm concerned.
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I'm always with my stroller. Ramps are game changers for me. I can take all three kids into a supermarket because there's a ramp.
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You're showing the sickness. Let me tell you something now.
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Absolutely.
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I'm curious because you specialize in children. And the thing about early childhood is that it's very difficult to articulate your own experience.
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Everyone has ADHD.
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And what's going on in your brain. Yes. A lot of the things you describe, you're like, oh, that sounds just like a toddler.
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Or that sounds like a five, six-year-old. Right. So for parents with young children that are displaying some of these behaviors, how can they know the difference between it being like, okay, this brain is wired differently and this is just emerging childhood?
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Oh, why do they make it later?
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You're doing the good work.
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I have a question on top of that. So I have a bunch of friends who are now, they were high performing girls in school, super bright.
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And they're nearly 40 and they're like recently diagnosed and it came up in postpartum.
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Everything fell apart. Yeah. And a lot of things that their therapists and the people they're working with said, we miss it in girls. We miss it in girls. We miss it in girls. I don't want to get into the gender binary and all that stuff. But, you know, the girls I see even in my son's preschool, they behave very differently.
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Even when they're energetic, they're energetic in a different way and how they move. How do parents of girls who may not have the same presentation make sure that these girls don't go under the radar for a long time and maybe never get diagnosed? What are you seeing in girls as children?
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Yeah, but there are girls who are struggling.
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What would you look for, I guess?