Glennon and Abby welcome their dear friend Cameron Esposito to discuss: 1. Cameron’s brutiful relationship with her body–and how it feels playing a sexy TV role. 2. The way Cameron grew up using humor as self-defense and to become socially “valuable”–and the moment she wondered if comedy was no longer working for her. 3. Why Cameron says she’s able to cry for the first time in 35 years. 4. How as a gender-nonconforming queer kid, Cameron felt “overnoticed”–and how being a comedian allows her to “hide in plain sight." 5. The rule Cameron and Glennon made to help them become better at friendship. CW: eating disorders About Cameron: Cameron Esposito is a queer, gender non-conforming standup comic, actor, writer and host. As a standup, Cameron has headlined tours and festivals nationwide and internationally. As an actor and host, Cameron has been seen across television and film, appearing in big budget films and beloved Sundance indies, and on Netflix, HBO, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, Starz, Comedy Central, Logo, TBS, IFC, E! and Cartoon Network. Cameron's podcast, Queery, features hour long conversations with some of the brightest luminaries in the LGBTQ+ community, including Emmy and Grammy winning performers, Olympians, politicians, even an astronaut. Cameron's writing has been published by The New York Times, Vulture/New York Magazine, Vanity Fair, Bon Appetit, Refinery29 and more. Cameron's first book, Save Yourself, was an instant bestseller and is available in paperback March of 2022. Next up, Cameron is set to recur on the ABC series A Million Little Things and appear in HBOMax's Moonshot. Cameron lives in Los Angeles and likes to swim. TW: @cameronesposito IG: @cameronesposito To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Who is Cameron Esposito and what is her connection to Glennon and Abby?
Small, big adult. Yeah.
Right. Right. Yes. Okay.
But I think I'm Abby's height, but that's not true. And we found this out in a green room once. Because I had my arm around Abby and I turned, there was a mirror and I said, literally, I think I said, and we're the same size. I don't know why that was the summary of our hangout. We'd been hanging out before the show. I turned, I said, and we're the same size. I think I am...
Nine inches shorter than Abby.
You are. Cam, you are. You are. I hate to break this to you, but you're actually my size. But I've got big dog energy. Not that you don't. You do. You have big dog energy, which is why you feel like you look like a big dog. But what you really look like, Cameron, is a big gay adult. That's right. Big gay adult. But you started your life not as a big gay adult, but as a little gay kid. correct?
Yeah, absolutely. Okay. I'm so glad we're starting by talking about this because for me, you know, a lot of stuff that I've been thinking about recently is also as a little gay kid, but also like a gender non-conforming kid. Even when I wrote, because some of this is from Save Yourself, that qualification as a little gay kid. But I think a lot of what I was talking about was gender.
When I wrote this book, which was just a few years ago, that was not something that was on my mind the same way. I feel like When I came out 20 years ago, I was like, okay, well, first the word that I used was gay. And then eventually I was like lesbian. And then eventually I was like queer. And I still use all of those words.
But I think the other thing that was going on when I was a little kid is that there's something... going on with me that I notice and that other people have always noticed that is not quite a woman and also a woman. I feel like gender fluid is a word that's making sense to me right now, but a lot of what I was writing about when I was writing about being a little gay kid is
is that I was like Robin Hood for every Halloween. And I collected Kens. And I was only ever Joseph when my sisters and I were doing the nativity play. And when I was in fourth grade, I auditioned for the male lead of the school play. And my school called home to ask my parents what they wanted to do about this. Big problem. And my parents said, was she good?
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