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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal
Wed, 26 Mar 2025
President Trump's top intelligence officials face tough questions from lawmakers after a group chat security breach involving secret war plans and a journalist. Federal workers are being called back to the office, but some are finding chaotic conditions, including assignments to storage units. And, the U.S. brokers a deal to allow safe passage through the Black Sea, but Russia demands sanctions relief before it takes effect. Want more comprehensive analysis of the most important news of the day, plus a little fun? Subscribe to the Up First newsletter.Today's episode of Up First was edited by Anna Yukhananov, Brett Neely, Ryland Barton, Arezou Rezvani and Mohamad ElBardicy.It was produced by Ziad Buchh, Nia Dumas and Christopher Thomas.We get engineering support from Neisha Heinis, and our technical director is Carleigh StrangeLearn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy
Chapter 1: What is the security breach involving Trump's intelligence officials?
Trump's intelligence officials got a grilling on Capitol Hill over sensitive war plans shared in a group chat.
It's hard for me to believe that targets and timing and weapons would not have been classified.
Will Democrats get the investigation they want? I'm Michelle Martin here with Leila Fadal, and this is Up First from NPR News.
Federal workers are being ordered back to the office, but when they get there, they're finding there aren't enough chairs, desks, or toilet paper. How did one employee get told to report to work at a storage unit?
And the U.S. brokered a deal between Russia and Ukraine to allow safe passage through the Black Sea, but Moscow wants sanctions relief first.
There are about five or six conditions.
We're looking at all of them. Stay with us. We'll give you the news you need to start your day. The Trump administration is in damage control mode after the revelation this week that top national security officials shared secret war plans in a group chat that included a journalist. President Trump was asked about it yesterday.
We pretty much looked into it. It's pretty simple, to be honest. It's just something that can happen.
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Chapter 2: What are the implications of the group chat revelations?
CIA Director John Ratcliffe and Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard were both part of that group chat, and they appeared before Senate lawmakers yesterday for a previously scheduled hearing where they faced tough questions about how this security breach could have happened.
NPR Justice Correspondent Ryan Lucas is covering this, and he's with us now with more. Good morning, Ryan.
Good morning.
So Democrats really pushed Gabbard and Ratcliffe on this group chat revelation yesterday. Just remind us, what are the security concerns here?
Well, there are a couple of issues here. First off, this group chat reportedly involved sensitive strategy discussions among top US officials, including the vice president. And it also reportedly involved discussions about targeting, about weapons and attack sequencing of US military strikes in Yemen before those airstrikes happened.
These discussions weren't on a secure US government communication system. They Instead, we're in a group chat set up by National Security Advisor Mike Waltz on the Signal messaging app, which is commercially available, widely used by all sorts of folks. Our colleague Tom Bowman is reporting that the Pentagon warned actually just last week against using Signal even for unclassified information.
The Pentagon said Russian hackers are targeting the app to spy on people of interest. So that's issue number one. Issue number two here is that a journalist, the editor of The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg, was included in this group chat. And that, of course, is a serious security breach.
So what did the director of national intelligence and the CIA director have to say about this yesterday when they appeared before lawmakers?
Well, initially, Tulsi Gabbard wouldn't even acknowledge that she was in the chat. For his part, though, CIA Director John Ratcliffe didn't try to play that game. He said straight out he was part of this chat. But he did say U.S. officials are permitted to use Signal to communicate and coordinate for government work purposes.
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Chapter 3: How are federal workers affected by the return to office mandate?
While the same intelligence officials are testifying before House lawmakers today, they'll no doubt face more questions. But stepping back a bit, the top Democrat in the House and Senate are both calling for an investigation. Democrats, of course, don't have a lot of power. They're in the minority. Republicans control both houses of Congress.
Some GOP senators have expressed concern about this security breach and how this all went down. That includes the Senate Majority Leader John Thune. He told reporters yesterday that they need to figure out what happened. So there may be more to come on this.
So let me just mention here that Catherine Marr, who is the CEO of NPR, chairs the board of the Nonprofit Signal Foundation. And that is NPR's Ryan Lucas. Ryan, thank you.
Thank you.
Earlier this month, a Department of Agriculture employee who works remotely was told they'd soon have to start reporting to an office.
The employee was given a list of possible locations. including one described as a storage unit.
NPR's Shannon Bond spoke to that worker and other federal employees who have been ordered back to the office and who say they are dealing with challenging conditions. And she's with us now. Good morning, Shannon. Good morning, Michelle. So, Shannon, a storage unit? What's going on there?
Yeah, this USDA worker was pretty confused by this, so they actually drove to the address on this list. Sure enough, it was a storage facility. And when the worker asked the owner of the facility why it might be showing up on a list of federal office spaces, they said the owner laughed and said, yes, you know, the federal government does rent a unit here. It's used to store a boat.
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Chapter 4: What challenges are federal employees facing upon returning to office?
Chapter 5: What is the Black Sea deal brokered by the U.S.?
There are about five or six conditions.
We're looking at all of them. Stay with us. We'll give you the news you need to start your day. The Trump administration is in damage control mode after the revelation this week that top national security officials shared secret war plans in a group chat that included a journalist. President Trump was asked about it yesterday.
We pretty much looked into it. It's pretty simple, to be honest. It's just something that can happen.
CIA Director John Ratcliffe and Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard were both part of that group chat, and they appeared before Senate lawmakers yesterday for a previously scheduled hearing where they faced tough questions about how this security breach could have happened.
NPR Justice Correspondent Ryan Lucas is covering this, and he's with us now with more. Good morning, Ryan.
Good morning.
So Democrats really pushed Gabbard and Ratcliffe on this group chat revelation yesterday. Just remind us, what are the security concerns here?
Well, there are a couple of issues here. First off, this group chat reportedly involved sensitive strategy discussions among top US officials, including the vice president. And it also reportedly involved discussions about targeting, about weapons and attack sequencing of US military strikes in Yemen before those airstrikes happened.
These discussions weren't on a secure US government communication system. They Instead, we're in a group chat set up by National Security Advisor Mike Waltz on the Signal messaging app, which is commercially available, widely used by all sorts of folks. Our colleague Tom Bowman is reporting that the Pentagon warned actually just last week against using Signal even for unclassified information.
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