Konstantin and Francis discuss their recent trip to America, give their thoughts on Trump's new administration after a couple of months in office and what his approach could mean for the world. SPONSOR. Augusta Precious Metals: Protect Your Retirement with Physical Gold. Rated #1 https://bit.ly/triggergold Join our exclusive TRIGGERnometry community on Substack! https://triggernometry.substack.com/ OR Support TRIGGERnometry Here: Bitcoin: bc1qm6vvhduc6s3rvy8u76sllmrfpynfv94qw8p8d5 Shop Merch here - https://www.triggerpod.co.uk/shop/ Advertise on TRIGGERnometry: [email protected] Find TRIGGERnometry on Social Media: https://twitter.com/triggerpod https://www.facebook.com/triggerpod/ https://www.instagram.com/triggerpod/ About TRIGGERnometry: Stand-up comedians Konstantin Kisin (@konstantinkisin) and Francis Foster (@francisjfoster) make sense of politics, economics, free speech, AI, drug policy and WW3 with the help of presidential advisors, renowned economists, award-winning journalists, controversial writers, leading scientists and notorious comedians. 00:00 Introduction 03:15 These People Really Don't Like Europe 09:41 Trump's Approach With Tariffs 16:31 A Lot Of Americans Are Really Hurting 21:40 Deportations Are Needed 26:50 The Left Destroyed Language 29:50 Would You Attend A Protest In A Country You're Visiting? 37:35 Bad Immigration Needs To End 38:38 How Trump Has Dealt With Ukraine and Israel/Palestine 55:39 It's Time For The UK To Wake Up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: Why do some Americans dislike Europe?
Oh, these people, they really, really, really do not like Europe. I wouldn't call it antagonism, but certainly... Why not? It is antagonism. One of the reasons America is so great is that there is a legal system that allows people recourse to appeal and so on.
If the story is true, this is a human rights travesty. Let's call it what it is. It's a travesty. But if it's not, then we're all being gaslit and manipulated.
And the worst thing is... We don't know which one of those is right. It seems to me that there isn't any logical reason why the invasion wouldn't be repeated and then the entire world wouldn't find itself right here again.
It's a story about somebody being put in a police cell because of complaints on a parent's WhatsApp group. What's happening?
We're becoming the laughingstock of the world.
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Francis, we have been in the US for two weeks. Now we're recorded about 16 episodes and 14 days. Intense. And we've learned a lot.
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Chapter 2: What is Trump's approach with tariffs and international relations?
We have learned a lot. We have had what I like to think is a little bit of a wake up call when it comes to America. Because last time we came here, talking for myself, I was like, I understand everything about this country. Turns out, I was a little bit wrong.
Well, I think one of the things that happened with the election of President Trump is that a lot of people projected their own concerns and their own things onto him. And of course, he, like any good politician, like any effective politician, he would have encouraged that. So the people who were concerned about runaway wokeness thought that, you know, that's what he's going to deal with.
And he has. The people who are concerned about the size of government thought that that's what he would deal with, and that's what he's doing. The people who were concerned about illegal immigration, which is a lot of people, thought that that's what he'd deal with, and he is dealing with it. But also, he's also doing quite a lot of things that he never talked about on the campaign trail.
All of this stuff about Canada and Greenland and the Panama Canal, etc. I don't remember that being an issue that was discussed. Another interesting thing that's happening is we had a lot of conversations with people behind the scenes, not even on camera particularly, about... the rise in the impact of the religious aspect of the right.
And we hosted some conversations on camera in which that was also discussed. But I think the main question that a lot of people don't know the answer to is there's quite a lot of stuff that the Trump administration is doing that most people would agree with. like their domestic policies and a lot of things, like dealing with mass illegal immigration, closing the border.
Tariffs are something that people kind of thought that he would do, maybe not to the same extent. But I think the big question is, what is his overall posture towards the world. Why is he talking so much about these territories near the United States and what he wants to do about that?
And also how he's going to deal with Ukraine, how he's going to deal with Israel, how he's going to deal with Iran. And this is the real thing that I don't think anyone expected to be the way it has been. How is he going to deal with Europe? Because we have seen quite a lot of things coming out of the Trump administration. with J.D.
Vance, those leaked signal messages, etc., where you go, oh, these people, they really, really, really do not like Europe.
And the way they talk about Europe is kind of similar in a way to an ex-girlfriend talking about a boyfriend at one point who let her down. And it is sneering and it is contemptuous. And we saw that in J.D. Vance's tones in those messages on the Signal chat, which I found on the one hand very dispiriting and actually quite depressing, but I also thought it was actually very valuable
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Chapter 3: How are Americans coping with economic challenges?
I completely get it. And then when you add in net zero on top of it, which, let's be fair, is just glorified deindustrialisation and makes countries like Germany and the UK, but particularly Germany, more reliant on Russia for providing things like natural gas, resources like natural gas, which Germany is going to be dependent on.
So I understand the Americans going, hang on, you're saying Russia is the enemy, yet you're engaging in free trade with the enemy. Make it make sense.
Well, right, that's one of the arguments people here will make about Ukraine. It's like, you guys say you want to support Ukraine, but Europe... got more money, spent more money on Russian gas, rather, during the course of the war than it gave to the Ukrainians in support. So you were telling us we've got to pay for that while you guys de-industrialize, don't produce our own energy.
Like the UK is, I think, the Chinese owner of the UK's last steel-making facilities. It's just made the decision to shut them down. So Britain has four times the industrial energy prices of America. We're not able to make our own virgin steel, which is what you need for military use. Why would an ally like that be valuable to the United States? So I do understand that. I also think that...
there is a risk that that rhetoric becomes self-fulfilling and Europe and America do end up just kind of going in separate directions, which I think would be bad for both countries, actually, for Europe and for America.
I think it would be disastrous for both. We have always been allies for many, many years, and there are good reasons behind that. America, look, let's be honest, is the dominant superpower in the world, but it doesn't matter how strong or powerful you are, there are going to be times where you need your friends, where you need help.
And by America pursuing this policy almost of isolationism, not to the extent of how some people in the MAGA movement want it, but certainly being very much colder to European friends, You're looking at it and you're thinking to yourself, eventually this is going to come back and bite you on the proverbial. Because the rule is you can't do everything on your own. You need to work with people.
It helps to work with people. You need trade links. You need diplomatic relations. And if you are going down this path of, I wouldn't call it antagonism, but certainly... Why not? It is antagonism. I see, because I would say that, look, is it openly antagonistic? Yes. Why would you say it's openly antagonistic?
Because J.D. Vance, and by the way, I agree with a lot of what he said in Munich. I agree with a lot of the stuff he said at the AI Summit, and I thought it was a really interesting speech that he gave for reasons we can get into. But if you look at what they're saying in those group chats in the Signal thing.
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Chapter 4: What is the impact of Trump's immigration policies?
But I think the other thing, and this is important because we talked about this with Joe Rogan on his show. What we also saw from the Signal Group chat is the reaction to it from a lot of people in the new media and in the old media. where, look, obviously the people on the left are going to jump on that as an opportunity to try and criticize the administration. And so they should.
And so they should. But you also see that those of us who have called out the craziness of the woke period that has been ongoing for some time, we, I think, you and I and others, try to be honest and say, look, this was not a good thing. Like, if you add a journalist to a signal group in which... Plans for U.S. attacks on Yemen are being discussed. That's not a good thing.
But you also saw that a lot of people are just partisan and they try and pretend it away, claim that this journalist is a bad person. Maybe he is a bad person. Doesn't mean that...
adding him to his signal group is a good thing and i think one of the things that you're about to see is a big pivot that i think this space is going to split into those people and look i'll give you an example i've had run-ins with glenn greenwald online we've had him on our show i said some things about him that were not complimentary after you know in part of of our discussions whatever
But he's been very principled on things like this, as have many other people. But there's also going to be a section of people who they never really cared about the truth. They never really cared about being balanced. They just care about their side. And to them, it's like red team, blue team.
They're on team red, and they'll ignore everything that team red does that's bad and focus only on what team blue does. And I think that's going to be a big split in this space.
Well, it is. And what you're going to see is actually people who have the integrity to come out and criticise Team Red and the people that don't. And look, I think this is one of the things we need to talk about honestly. There's just a lot of people on both sides that this is just a power game. And they will do whatever it takes in order to get power.
And once they get power, then they can enact the policies and the vision that they want for the country. And... However you get there, that's fair game. It's fair game. And that's fair game for people on the progressive left, woke, whatever you want to call them. And there's people on the other side of the right. It's fair game to them because to them, this is a game. That's all it is.
It's a game and you strategize and you do what it takes in order to get your guy in so that you win. And hey, If you break a few eggs, then what's the problem?
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Chapter 5: How can you protect your wealth during economic shifts?
And let's be fair to them as well, we have seen time and time again when cancellations happens, the worst things that you can do is apologise. Because once you apologise, that then emboldens the mob in order to get people fired, cancelled, whatever you want to call it. So they would argue, hey, look, maybe in a different world...
apologizing or saying, hey, we got it wrong here, might be the smart thing to do. But in the world of the online, the world of the Twitter, the world of the troll and online mobs and all the rest of it, no. Double down, that's the only way we ride this out. And I'm not saying I agree with that. I'm saying that's what they probably think.
That's probably what they think. But the difference is that the problem with cancel culture was people being unfairly treated and misrepresented and lied about. And if someone accuses you of something that you haven't done, or if someone claims that you've said something that you haven't said, and you and I both had those experiences, of course you should never apologize in that situation.
But at the same time, if you've made an actual mistake, the best way to make that go away is to hold your hands up and go, that was a mistake, we're investigating, we'll find out what happened, and the right processes will be put in place so this doesn't happen anymore. Right. That's how you deal with it.
And at some point you might have to admit culpability and some people might have to accept the consequences of that. But that is the way you maintain credibility. Anyway, it feels to me like we're in an interesting moment. But in terms of the stuff that you and I have picked up kind of on the ground here in America, I think one other thing that is really important to say is that.
The wave of optimism, positivity that happened in America after the last election, which we were here for, and we did one of these conversations then, doesn't cover up the fact that a lot of ordinary Americans, left, right, center, up, down, a lot of people are really hurting. We heard this from guest after guest and ordinary person after ordinary person that we spoke to.
A hell of a lot of people are in a position where they're financially very precarious. They're living hand to mouth. They don't have savings. Costs of things are going up. And they're looking for solutions to those things. And I think a lot of people hope that this re-industrializing America agenda, bringing jobs to America is going to work. But at this moment in time,
a lot of people are in a very difficult situation.
Well, look, we were in D.C. and we went into a sandwich shop, and there was a sign on the counter which said, due to the rise of the price in eggs, all sandwiches, which include eggs, have gone up by a dollar.
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