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Chapter 1: Why does Trump view Ukraine as irrelevant?
For Trump, Ukraine is irrelevant. Ukraine does not exist in these calculations at all. Because from this point of view, Ukraine belongs to the Russian sphere of influence. And that is why the business of Mr. Trump is just to silence Ukraine as much as possible. To silence Zelensky, to silence anyone.
The argument from the Trump administration is when we sign the minerals deal with Ukraine, that will guarantee Americans in Ukraine
This is a kindergarten. I'm really sorry to say so. There is no economic success without security guarantees. Mark Rutte, the Secretary General of NATO, he said publicly, on record, seems to be he knows something, that the total military output of all NATO countries combined is 25% of Russian military output. Four times less.
Andrei Laronov, welcome back to the show. We had you on exactly three years ago to talk about the Russian invasion of Ukraine, what Vladimir Putin was doing. Our interest was you were someone who worked with Vladimir Putin closely for six years, and we talked about it then.
And you messaged us recently saying that there are a lot of things being said in the English-speaking world that are not true and that need to be discussed, something we agree with you on, by the way. So... What are you talking about? What's going on? What do you think needs to be talked about in a different way?
First of all, thank you, Konstantin. Thank you, Francis, for inviting me once again. It's nice to see you, and I need to confess that I follow your activities, trying to follow what you're doing, how you're doing. It seems to me you've got substantial progress since we met last time. Your subscription rate jumped up, skyrocketed, so now you're stars in the English-speaking world.
and you are not only kind of very popular and it's a fact of life, but you happen to be one of very few voices in English-speaking world that, from my point of view, continue to speak truth, unlike many other voices that somehow stopped to do it or have been under influence from Putin's slash Kremlin propaganda.
And I can name only kind of three sources that I follow that at least continue to talk about war, that Putin is waging against Ukraine, about Russia, about Ukraine, about many other things. Just first of all, you, I would say Douglas Murray, and I would say Piers Morgan. Also, from time to time, he's trying to sort of keep the line. And to my...
observation uh all of you coming from britain and i just uh why those only british voices but not american voices it's it's another topic for discussion for me but it is shocking for me i would not hide this uh my feeling that um
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Chapter 2: What is the impact of Trump's negotiation strategy with Putin?
And we, unfortunately, we can hear all the time from such people like Professor Mishimer, Professor Sachs, Tucker Carlson, Vice President J.D. Vance, from the son of the president, Donald Trump Jr., and from President Trump himself. So this is shocking.
Because never before we had a situation when the leadership of the US administration would repeat consistently and persistently something that's completely untrue, completely wrong, and complete propaganda. This information aimed at justification of aggressive behavior of Russia, of Putin, first of all, against Ukraine, against Europe, and against the United States.
against the Western civilization. So Putin never hid it, that his main goal is destruction of Western civilization. He devoted to this goal many, many of his statements. His apparatus, his Kremlin entourage, the whole system of the current Russian government is working to destroy Western civilization, NATO, Europe, United States.
And that's quite a claim. Can you give us some specifics? Like, personally, I've never heard him say he wants to destroy Western civilization. What are you talking about specifically?
I can refer you to just many speeches, especially from the speech that he has given on October 5th, year 2023, during the so-called Valdai Club gathering, in which he proclaimed, actually, its public announcement of the global war against the West. And it is a very detailed and very fundamental explanation that the West is doomed.
And his, Putin's goal, together with a big friend and colleague, Mr. Xi from China, and to unite the other countries around the world, so-called multilateral or whatever. Multipolar world. Multipolar world is an old term, but they say this is a global majority. Even they say not global majority, world majority.
They understand English very well, so that is why they're choosing right words in English to explain their position. So this is a world majority against the West, against... doomed, some kind of decadent West.
And this is some kind of the noble mission of current Russia and current Russian regime under the leadership of Putin with support from Chinese friends to make everything possible that the kind of the days of the West are numbered. And after that, number of people from the Kremlin
and from Kremlin on to Russia, issued a number of documents, including those documents that have been produced by such people. I don't know, probably you know those names, like Karaganov or Trenin. Those people from think tanks around Kremlin, they put a number of documents explaining the essence of this global war against the West, led by
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