The White Lotus Official Podcast
Ep. 5: “Full Moon Party” with Carrie Coon and Parker Posey
Mon, 17 Mar 2025
Hosts Jia Tolentino and Josh Bearman unpack Episode 5 and the infamous full moon party—plus, Josh shares his experience as an extra in the scene. Then, Carrie Coon discusses the concept of being an alpha in a friendship and Laurie’s relationships with Kate and Jaclyn. Later, Parker Posey Victoria Ratliff reflects on Victoria’s reality...and her accent. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the White Lotus podcast about?
Hello and welcome to the White Lotus official podcast companion to season three. I'm Gia Tolentino.
And I'm Josh Bierman.
And wow, what an episode.
Wow.
We knew that stuff was going to happen in the Full Moon Party, but before we start talking about the episode, I have a question for you. I feel like this is a valuable opportunity for us. I'm an Asian woman in front of a white man. This is, I want to give you a safe space to say, like, if you have always, if you believe that on the inside you too are an Asian woman, you could say it now.
Right. Everybody's, there's a new permission structure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just wanted to make sure we had that in this room. Okay, my real question for you was, are you sad that you didn't show up in the Full Moon Party?
Oh, yeah.
I was... For people that maybe missed earlier episodes, Josh was on set bragging, bragging, having been on set for the full moon party.
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Chapter 2: What happens at the Full Moon Party?
Chapter 3: Why didn't Josh Bearman appear in the Full Moon Party scene?
I was... For people that maybe missed earlier episodes, Josh was on set bragging, bragging, having been on set for the full moon party.
Yeah, and I was an extra. I was dancing around, but I did not get a glimpse of myself, so I was very disappointed.
Yeah, I didn't see you either.
I was... gripping the table. But no, we'll have to watch it again.
Yeah, we'll watch it again just for you. Yeah, just to see. All right. So this episode is called Full Moon Party. It is written and directed by Mike White. There is sort of two tracks happening on it. There is quieter stuff happening at the hotel with three of the Ratliffs, Belinda, Mook and Guy Talk, et cetera. And then everyone else is lepting loose. Yeah.
And later in this episode, we get to talk to two queens, Carrie Coon and Parker Posey.
A big part of this episode is our three gals and Chloe, Chelsea, Lachlan, and Saxon on the party boat. I mean, we're at episode five. It's kind of like the midpoint of the story. And it's also that part, like if you're at camp or you're on vacation, there's the moment when You're skinny dipping in the pool on ecstasy, right? This is what is happening in this episode.
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Chapter 4: How does Saxon's character develop during the Full Moon Party?
Everybody has just like the inhibitions have been shed. They've surveyed the social landscape, felt present, and now they're ready. They're going for it. I mean, it's montaged together, right? You're seeing kind of these dual images of both parties, right? And so there's sort of, on the boat, It's in stages. They're like, there's the approach to the party.
It's almost kind of like the mythical passage making, right? They're crossing the water. They're talking about what to expect and then they get to the party.
Right. You know what? I was saying last time that Saxon needs to confront, you know, the unassimilatable other or whatever. And it's like he goes in the zone at the end of the party, right? Like he's, I was waiting for something like this moment for Saxon when he can't, you know, he says, he's like, I don't do drugs. I am the drug because he can't handle drugs. Right.
I know he says Saxon doesn't do drugs. So it's like a classic like a third person.
Yeah.
But Lachlan does. He goes right for it immediately. Saxon is shocked. And then I guess Saxon does do drugs because he felt the peer pressure and he does it. And I like how he's almost immediately seems like on the verge of epiphany. Right. When they get to the full moon party, since he's like never, you know, not in control. Right. Of his own self. Confidence lock.
And that's how you get people to do what you want. Because most people don't know what they want, and a lot of them, here's a little secret. They just want to be used.
He's always, like, at the gym, getting his pump, drinking his protein powder. And so to be kind of, like, intoxicated in a real way is something new to him.
Right, and he's also constantly articulating more than anyone his framework of how the world is and how the world works. And it seems like Lachlan was like, you know what, like, don't talk about it, just be about it, you know? Like it's like Saxon is it's as if he's living within this sort of fortress of mantras about strength and domination. Oh, right. Right.
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Chapter 5: What are the dynamics among the Ratliff siblings?
Come here.
And then Saxon is, I think he knows, oh. That's what I want to hear. That's what I want to hear from this kid. But he doesn't know what that is about to mean because then when he is the one person who's afraid to take the drugs and does and you get the sense even that he's not even necessarily a big drinker. He doesn't get drunk. Right.
And he says even like you slow down because you got to get the ladies drunk.
Right.
He's like he's. you know, like tosses back a few frosty ones, but he's not out there getting drunk. So to be on ecstasy.
Oh, no, yeah, he's like a diet beer type. You know what I mean? Like he's doing Miller High Life and alternating, you know. And my girls, Chelsea and Chloe are like, yeah, whatever. I'll do this on a Tuesday, you know. It doesn't matter. Chloe and Chelsea's conversation when they're girl talking on the yacht and Chelsea's like, he's like my child. Yeah.
Right. Well, and she says you can't spend your life trying to rescue people. Yeah. But that is exactly what she's going to do.
And she's on a yacht and she's going to a full moon party and she's in this beautiful place and all she can do is think about her 50-year-old boyfriend who might be about to murder someone.
Right.
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Chapter 6: How does Belinda's storyline unfold during the episode?
Oh my God, it was so good. And they're each reacting to the party in a different way.
The three actresses were so good. Like the entire time you can see that Leslie Bibb is uncomfortable. Even when the other girls are dancing, absolutely free of inhibition. She is conscious that she's sweaty. She's conscious that she's a little tired. You can see immediately that she's already hoping the night will be over. She's checking her watch.
She's like, okay, maybe another hour and then we can just go to bed.
Now the party is the mirror.
Right. Well, and unfortunately, Kate got assigned to Vlad, the guy with the live, laugh, love mural on his chest, the silver ring. He had a tough life. He had such a tough life, but he can't – he simply can't stop talking about it. They're all like, yeah, like, what a fun party. You're so hot. And he's like, my mother died when I was 12. Yeah.
Right. That's true. So we can, you know, sympathize with Kate a little bit. She got kind of the dud.
She got the dud.
But she kind of assigned herself the dud, right? Because she's the dud between the three of them, right?
Yes, in this context. And she's hating to be the dud.
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Chapter 7: What is the significance of Frank's monologue in the bar?
Chapter 8: How does the show address themes of pleasure and virtue?
The Ratliff parents and Piper are having their reduced Ratliff family dinner.
Parker Posey is really giving us so much. She's really on a lorazepam comedown. She's like, you're going to be a NXIVM. You could return with a completely different set of values. And Piper's like, that's the point. But Piper also says that she feels that she needs to do this because she needs to understand what's going to make her happy. Right.
Right. I mean, it is it's funny. It's like she's articulating the explicit. It's almost like the schoolgirls version of the search, the thematic idea of the show of searching. Right. She's she's expressing out loud in this well-articulated way what everybody else can't really figure out how to say for themselves.
Yeah, there's a lot in here about, like, virtue structures and ideas of pleasure and an idea of, you know, like, what everyone's personal code of ethics are and how that flings them onto this kind of mad evening.
But I just thought it was really funny that Enlightened Piper, ostensibly the voice of the purest version of the show's thematic searching, is, I think, quite tellingly, she's saying, I want to know what's going to make me happy, not... I mean, maybe the closest that anyone gets to saying it here is Lachlan...
But what if this life is just a test, like, to see if we can become better people?
No. What?
Whereas Piper is studying it in school and wants to go spend like a year at a monastery to try to even figure out what the question that Lachlan just spontaneously presented to his brother is. Listen, I admire her sort of like A student, earnest approach to learning about this other culture that is clearly going to be more meaningful to her than the world she grew up in.
Right. She understands the falsity in her parents' values with a capital V.
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