Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper edition. We’re SO excited to be joined by the newest Mormon Wife soon to be gracing our screens, Miranda McWhorter! What was her part in the swinging scandal? Where does she stand with Taylor today? Why are Jesse and Demi fighting on social media? And most importantly… Will MomTok Survive? Tune in to find out. “The swinging had nothing to do with my divorce." Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/ To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com Are you struggling with any sort of dating, relationship, or life dilemma? Do you want all the answers? Email [email protected] with your question in the subject line to express interest in appearing on the show! To advertise on this podcast please email: [email protected] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles Thank You to Our Sponsors: Getcontact - Take control of your calls! Block spam, identify unknown numbers, and stay connected securely. Getcontact is available now on the App Store and Google Play—download today! https://getgetcontact.onelink.me/SMWD?af_xp=custom&pid=magellan_ai&c=TheViallFiles BEAM - Beam is giving our listeners, parents or not, their best offer yet. Try their best-selling Dream Powder and get up to 40% off for a limited time. Go to https://shopbeam.com/viall and use code VIALL at checkout. OpenPhone - OpenPhone is offering our listeners 20% off of your first 6 months at https://OpenPhone.com/viall Tonal - For a limited time, go to https://tonal.com to get $500 OFF your Tonal purchase plus a FREE 4 YEAR WARRANTY. Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (00:46) - Taylor’s Video (07:23) - Miranda’s POV (22:59) - The Falling Out (42:46) - Joining The Cast (51:01) - Convos With Chase (53:22) - Coming Into The Group (55:46) - Fighting On Social Media (01:03:55) - Chopping Block (01:06:31) - Performing For The Cameras (01:10:16) - Misrepresented (01:15:35) - The Situation (01:22:01) - Advice (01:27:06) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @miranda__mcw @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell
Chapter 1: What was Miranda's initial reaction to Taylor's video?
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
We are very excited to talk with you. I feel like it's been a long time coming.
It has. Years in the making. Years in the making.
I actually, when the whole swinging scandal came out on the internet, I'm pretty sure like I DM'd you on TikTok.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Chapter 2: How does Miranda view the swinging scandal?
Yeah.
I was like, we got to get you on.
I know.
At that point, you were.
I had some traumas to work through back then. Yeah. You're like, a couple years. Give me some time.
Give me some years and some therapy under my belt and then we can talk about it. Yeah. You were definitely giving different energy than Taylor at the time. Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
Who was obviously out there being.
Being Taylor.
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Chapter 3: What led to the falling out between Miranda and Taylor?
you know, a lot of shame where she feels like there was more context that kind of led to that, that I think, I don't know, I just helped people understand it a little bit more. And, you know, we've talked about that now, but I understand like her reasoning for wanting to give that side of it. I just think, I just wish maybe that she would have done it a different way.
And I think even now looking back, I think she probably would have maybe done it a different way too. But I mean, we're here now.
So we are here now. So so from your perspective, there were rumors about just Taylor and her relationship amongst your community, which prompted her to want to, like, tell the whole story of the whole thing.
Yeah. Well, the affair had gotten out at that point. And so I guess people were commenting that she had cheated on her husband. And so I think that was a really triggering thing for her because she felt like there was a lot of context that was necessary that led her to that point.
What was the state of your and Chase's relationship when Taylor went live, when all this started coming out?
It's so interesting because I want to say like, oh, look, we were in a good place. But then I feel like it was as far as like surface level good goes. You know what I mean? Like we already obviously had issues. You don't really end up in a situation like that if you don't have issues. But I feel like they weren't like a day to day type of issue.
And so I think it was kind of those problems that we had in our relationship, they were masked by a lot. And so I felt like on the surface, we were good. And the issues were also issues that we had kind of always had.
Like what?
I think one thing, for example, is I just feel like our communication wasn't great a lot of the time. And I feel like... Chase is a very passionate person and a very emotional person and that's for better or for worse. And I think that he has big feelings and I think that that really serves him as far as being a father goes because he is very passionate about
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Chapter 4: How did Miranda feel about joining the cast?
And yet when you're still connected to a very conservative church and organization where there's still a lot of taboos around sex and a lot of suppression, regardless of what's happening in the outside world, you know, you know, you guys are still like meeting at a very young age, getting married at a very young age. You were 20. When you got married to Chase, right?
So like, I got to imagine it must be difficult even in the Mormon community.
Right.
You know, because it's not like you guys are insulated in a bubble. You know, it's not like you're not interacting with even Salt Lake City, I'm guessing, has people who aren't Mormon.
Yeah, it's actually predominantly not Mormon. Yeah. Right.
And so, you know, whether it's media, you know, you get porn on the Internet, you know, you have all this access to these things while still trying to live this devout lifestyle. I can see how temptation enters into a relationship or a group of friends.
Yeah, I mean, you do, you have so much access to so many things, but you also have a lot of expectation. And I think that is a dangerous combination when you're involved in high demand religion because you, you know, you naturally, as every human does, has desires, temptations, and so on. And then when you have a social and religious expectation, it makes for difficult circumstances for sure.
I mean, we've heard Taylor's version a long time ago, but from your point of view, how do these conversations unfold? Was it just more like we're all together having a DoorDash party? And someone says, let's play spin the bottle when we're drunk. And then it kind of unravels from there.
It was never like conversations that like led to this. It was, we were already all like hanging out, having drinks, so on and so forth. Or maybe like one of the guys would like dare me and Taylor to kiss or something like that. And then it was like kind of from there, I guess, is what would lead to other things happening.
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Chapter 5: What insights does Miranda have about social media fights?
Right. No keys in a bowl. Yeah. Yeah. No. And in fact, it's funny because there's so many things that I've found out about like the swinging world that I'm like, that's a thing. I didn't even know there were apps that people could use to swing. So I'm like, I don't know. Maybe I make a bad swinger.
Yeah.
But yeah, I think that there were definitely conversations that were had. I think for me, I was very, very firm with the things that maybe other couples had done that I was not interested in doing that. And that's something I told Taylor as well. The first time that anything further than kissing had happened with her and another couple,
she came over and we were talking and I told her or she asked me she's like is that anything that you and Chase would ever be interested in doing and and I was like I mean I'll be honest the only way I would be interested in doing that with anyone any of the other couples if the other husband was someone like Michael B. Jordan and unfortunately that's not the case so yeah I mean I feel like we did have conversations but I also there wasn't really like a sit down of
These are like strict lines, strict boundaries, because it wasn't like it was never like this is like a world we're going to explore. It wasn't like we want to be swingers. It was just kind of circumstances we were like we got ourself into and then like things would happen. And then maybe like afterwards, we're like, oh, like that was kind of weird. Is that something you regret not doing?
Oh, for sure. I mean, I think I regret pretty much anything that happened, to be honest. But also, I think that there's a lot that I've learned from it. And, you know, in some weird twisted way, I think that there's a level of gratitude that I have for it now.
Yeah. Is, is the regret more centered around people knowing, and here we are having, you know, it's been two years removed and obviously it's our first time talking to you and it's, it's this irrelevant topic given the show that you're on. Uh, and there's still a lot, is it centered around more shame and the fear of, you know,
yeah the fear that this will always kind of follow you is like a scarlet letter or or is the regret you know more around maybe my marriage would have wouldn't have fallen apart had we not partaken in this type of activity
The swinging had nothing to do with my divorce. I don't think that played a role in the slightest, actually. So I think there were other issues that led to that being more of an okay thing, I guess, in our mind at the time. But for me, I think... Back then, for sure, I think shame was a big part of it because now, like, I mean, obviously I can talk about it openly.
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Chapter 6: What advice does Miranda offer about relationships?
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Like you mentioned before, you and Taylor were friends for years before any of this.
Yeah.
Chapter 7: What role did shame play in Miranda's experiences?
And there clearly was a falling out.
Mm-hmm.
How did the falling out really happen from your perspective? And I guess, yeah, like, how were you able to reconcile? Yeah. Or did you even reconcile before you decided to join the show?
We didn't. Well, okay, I... This is what's hard is that Taylor and I obviously, we live in the same area. Like we had kind of ran into each other here and there. And I thought we were like, okay. And then she posted a video about a podcast that I had done. I said something about how I wasn't going to do the show. What was it?
It was something along the lines of how I wasn't going to do the show because of Taylor. But I said that it wasn't a right fit for my family at the time. And what people didn't really know is how bad my marriage was struggling at this point. I mean, had I done season one, it would have been my divorce. And I think that would have been very difficult for myself and for my kids. And that was...
the biggest reason but also to me i'm like it's i don't feel like it's a secret that like taylor and i weren't good and there was still a lot of hurt there so it didn't make sense for me to put myself in a position at the time where i just didn't know if i could really you know do that so you were offered the opportunity to join the first season Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. From from the beginning.
I mean, they had approached Camille and I and Taylor. And we had plenty of calls about it. I think another thing that people think is that it was like when when I had said, oh, like, maybe I'll consider if Taylor's not on. The reason I said that was because this was during the arrest where they didn't know if she could be on or not. But it was never like, pick me or Taylor.
Taylor is the obvious choice. I'm like, I am self-aware enough to know that. And she makes great TV. So it was never that. It was like, oh, if Taylor's not, then maybe I'll consider it.
But even if you did at the time, wouldn't it be understandable if you were not wanting to be around Taylor?
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Chapter 8: How did Miranda's friendship with Taylor evolve after the scandal?
And she had heard that I turned it down because I didn't want to do like be around her and didn't want to do it because of her, which I'm also like, yeah. But again, it wasn't like the sole purpose. And she posted a video about it. And so I thought we were like, okay. And then she posted that video and it was very like, I was so shocked and taken back. I was like, wait, what was the video?
Oh, I would actually love to find it. I think it was like it was some sort of like voiceover something, I think, at first, because then I posted a video as like a response, which is like very unlike me, like throughout like all the swinging stuff, everything. Like you took the bait. I oh, I took the bait at that point.
I was like, I'm just because I think that time felt very during like the swinging stuff. I'm like, I know like she's mad at me. There's like tensions are high. But I also was just like not OK mentally during that time. And it was hard for me to do anything on social media. I'm not really one to... like do a lot of like petty back and forth videos.
And I, and like, again, like Taylor's really good at it. It's something that she has pretty much always been good at.
I mean, that's why like she gained a following in the first place, but that was, I think the first time where I'd ever like responded to any of the videos that Taylor had really posted just because it felt like so unwarranted to me because I didn't, I like genuinely did not think that I was
like saying anything offensive or hurtful like that was not my intention from your point of view what was she upset with you about that i didn't say that i that she played a role in my decision to not do the show because i just said it didn't feel like a right fit for my family like i guess the scandal like was she upset with anything you did or you're a part of that like almost oh yes yeah so people
I think it gets a little bit misconstrued that I walked away from our friendship because of Taylor's affair. And that was not the case. I found out about it the next day. You know, I had to do a lot of prying. And I was like, Taylor, like, obviously something happened. I'm here for you. Like, let's talk about it because, you know, it's very, we all know something happened.
And after a while, she made a comment that implied something. That they had done something and I was like, okay. And I remember like after the phone call, just sitting there and being like, oh, okay. Like, how do I go about this? Because for me, it was never like I found out that she had an affair and I'm suddenly like, let's go like tell the world. Absolutely not.
I mean, she was still my best friend. And I was like, okay, what do I do with this information? Because it wasn't just her telling me and no one else knew. Everyone in our friend group knew that something had happened. And so I was like, okay, let's see how to go about this. And I didn't say anything to anyone until she had opened up to Tate about it. And then our friend group knew.
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