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Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

1275.852

I don't understand what it's doing, though.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

1403.522

Somebody commented, when the last gear makes one full rotation, Half-Life 4 will be released. I don't know what that is. It sounds like a video game, but it's a funny concept. Anyway, that's wild.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

1418.334

Again, it just seems like an art piece.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

1421.615

Did you used to have those fights where it's like, well, I'm infinity smart. They'd be like, well, I'm Google smart.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

1562.394

I thought they were putting somebody in a chamber.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

157.811

The girl said, thank you, Mr. Raj, for our driver's license.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

1840.277

Vulture. Bird. It's a vulture because it picks the meat off the dead that it creates.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

1848.961

Super dark. I would love to be in a creative meeting for this one.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

1928.725

Yeah, why are we letting AI do all this stuff? I guess it's because we want to save human lives, but...

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

1989.604

So you don't use a satellite and do it like that?

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

2161.262

Yeah, that's so crazy. I totally made one of those.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

2192.161

I was going to say, it looks like a design I made on one of those tools, the toys they put out on the ads where it spins a piece of paper and you have your pen, you hold it still. I made that before.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

245.243

Stroke of luck. I had a suspicion. Different strokes.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

2464.619

This is a lot like what my dreams are like. Is it a gravy baptism? What?

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

255.55

She likes to hoard things in bags. That's where she put my engagement ring.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

266.961

I don't like to. It's a sensory thing.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

2681.556

Yeah, it was like the first death happened.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

280.15

Yep. The car alarm goes off because it was locked. I try to open the car. The car alarm goes off. I go, um, Josh? He says, uh, yes? Because it's just like, meh, meh.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

2880.65

And she said, I so cannot wait to wear goggles and jump into the waves like an invincible mermaid.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

2900.685

It's going to be outrageously fun. And I just found, because we were going to have the first night just hang out, like sleepover style. Maybe there's a pillow fight. But I found a live event. There's a concert happening. Wow. Who is it? Some local band.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

2927.475

Cut it out. You guys go do fun stuff all the time.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

2940.159

You go on your trips. That's work. You guys have fun with each other.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

3032.01

Of course I know that. Of course. You fool.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

3057.958

Did that really happen or you made that up?

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

3064.568

Just being for surfers? Because they were surfers.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

3202.754

Is there a lot of amethyst in Asheville?

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

331.377

That's not the only car problem we had this week.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

340.944

I hit a pothole. But, you know, something to note, I could have done it by myself.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

345.727

Yeah. But I really appreciate Josh's help. He was our hero.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

3602.574

Wow, look at that. Look at him breakdancing. That's cool.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

3663.851

I think that they found stuff underneath it.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

3734.537

Wait, so it's not like our George Washington monument?

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

3761.571

Correct. So like, what does a peer review in that case look like? Like another country has to come in and do the same analysis?

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

3820.04

Is it what Andrew was just showing me? Yeah. It's nuts, man. What the heck?

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

383.37

Yeah Bring some energy into this I mean someone's got to You guys have crazy energy today I don't know what's going on with you two You guys are so weird today It's just a good day Good day above the ground am I right?

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

3835.202

So this is the it's the pyramid that I'm seeing. And then what are these structures that that's a limestone you guys are talking about?

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

3861.84

What's this underneath water? Is that the water table?

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

4002.582

That's crazy. We literally know nothing with this little fledgling people group. We know nothing.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

4134.897

Did you see Ray Fieng give his sign-off on it? He's like, yeah, they said, you know, our Cillian Murphy, it was an Irish person who was interviewing, and he said, you know, our Cillian Murphy is in line to play your role as Voldemort. And he said, oh, I think he'll do absolutely great. He's an amazing actor.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

4153.685

I'll tell you something. But he does a Thomas Shelby voice. That would be crazy.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

4161.167

It reminds me of the basement yard where they're like, he looks like he'd have a tail. Why is his face so tight? It's so tight.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

4171.309

But yeah, and then, but he also gave a funny, in that same interview, he's like, isn't it silly how these studios always think that we need to remake something that was like perfectly fine.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

4453.971

What if there's oxygen in space and they're not telling us? It's this big secret. We can live in space. We can live in space.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

4460.154

What the heck? New conspiracy. Space is habitable. Have you ever met people? I have a friend that literally says she doesn't believe in space. That space isn't real.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

4470.299

Really? He said, I don't believe in space.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

4529.927

Can you opt to only drink your pee or do you drink everyone's pee?

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

4963.825

Yeah, that's what I'm seeing right here.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

5206.744

Yeah, I guess it's about focusing your consciousness on...

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

5221.164

Well, and also elevating the numbers. Like it talks about, like we know that numbers are significant in the Bible, but the Bible is our only tool and the only message from the Lord that we need. We don't need to use these numbers or anything to access him. Yeah. And numerology is an occult practice.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

5244.76

That is so weird. Isn't that weird though too? How Christians have become so obsessed with

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

5254.831

Identity. Yeah. Where are you finding your identity? Oh, this is me. I'm this.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

5350.08

Do you know what it reminds me of is Nosferatu.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

5355.143

When she's out there and she's like calling, summoning something to her and that's what happens.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

576.177

Wow. I thought that was great. Yeah, it was great. It's kind of gross.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

597.21

Ada's been trying to do that, too, and she's like, I'm like, daddy. She's pretty good at spitting.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

614.046

That was a song. Welcome to the show. What about the question?

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

644.095

I didn't mean to ask about it. Sorry. Do you want to bring the question back? No.

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

870.726

Was he saying evening wind as in farts?

Ninjas Are Butterflies

136 - Pyramid Secrets Uncovered, Quantum Teleportation, & The Carolina Cryptids

880.468

You said it was supposed to be funny and I thought it was about farts or something.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

1103.866

Can you remind me? Because that was such a long time ago.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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And that wasn't Chase?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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What were those things?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

1222.867

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Miranda, welcome to The Vile Files.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

1380.091

Like you mentioned before, you and Taylor were friends for years before any of this.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

1384.313

And there clearly was a falling out.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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How did the falling out really happen from your perspective? And I guess, yeah, like, how were you able to reconcile? Yeah. Or did you even reconcile before you decided to join the show?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

143.91

So we are here now. So so from your perspective, there were rumors about just Taylor and her relationship amongst your community, which prompted her to want to, like, tell the whole story of the whole thing.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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But even if you did at the time, wouldn't it be understandable if you were not wanting to be around Taylor?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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We are very excited to talk with you. I feel like it's been a long time coming.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

1997.787

So you're really, you're really stuck in the middle here.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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How do I handle this? That's also tough when you're like, Best friend or not, if your friend's doing something that you don't agree with, that's when being a friend becomes a real challenge.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

2041.68

Because being a friend... you know, hiding their secret as being a friend, holding them accountable. Like, is there a balance there? It can be very challenging.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

2159.493

Do you think you and Taylor are now on the same page of that timeline or events of that whole situation?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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If she listens to this episode, is she going to be like,

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Different from each other's or different from what it was?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

2469.902

You know, I do not have time to pack a gym bag, go to the gym, go into the check into the locker room, unpack my bag.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Can't wait till the lake house is done. There will absolutely be a tonal gym in there so I can still work on this sexy dad bod while at the lake. What I love about it, it's kind of an all-in-one gym. First of all, it takes up almost no space. We know how aesthetically pleasing weights can not be in your house. There's just no good place for like metal sitting around your house.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

25.556

I actually, when the whole swinging scandal came out on the internet, I'm pretty sure like I DM'd you on TikTok.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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So now we are embarking on season two and you are now a part of this cast. What happened and what was the timeline for you to not be a part of season one and then decide to join? Did you make first content and say, hey, I kind of want to be part of season two? Or did you get a phone call from someone saying, hey, are you sure you don't want to be a part of season two?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Was part of it, I mean, there must have been a part of you that saw how big the show became and how successful it was. And certainly after season one, it still seemed like the dynamic of the group was relatively positive, minus it seemed like Whitney was kind of been on the outs from the group.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

2705.555

It was a relatively like non-toxic environment, at least as a fan or someone who interviewed the ladies, that was my perception of it. So like as one of the OG moms of mom talk, I mean, there must have been a little of like, not resentment, but like, I don't know, like, why am I missing out on something I helped originate?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Yeah. No, it makes a lot of sense too. And just the, You know, it's a challenge with the world that you're a part of because there's a lot of excitement, fascination, privilege that comes with being on TV, being an influencer. You know, it's a job for sure. We gripe at opportunities. It's like, oh, I got to do this.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

2933.447

When you compare it to real work.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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If you've had, you know, I'm not sure about your background. I imagine you've had some real work. You know, Nally, before she got into this world with me, was an accomplished surgical technologist. I was an accountant. So when you think about that, it's like it doesn't feel like real work.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

2951.399

And then there's a guilt associated like you have of like, well, if this thing I choose to be a part of affects my life in any way negatively, then I asked for it and I deserve it.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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you know, and things like that because of the privileges, you know, it's like the, am I selling out?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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What conversations do you have with Chase prior to saying yes to coming on the show?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

3127.118

Yeah. You can have you. It's like, yeah, you can be an authentic person and still have your boundaries. You know, like now and I have this show like, you know, sure. I hope that our audience thinks we're open and right and is happy with what we choose to share about our lives.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

3143.291

But like we we don't share everything, nor do we feel like we need to or want to. And it comes to fan, you know, fan is is short for fanatic. And, you know, I appreciate fans, but sometimes not not all fans are the same. Every fan has different expectations.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

3159.244

I think the challenge with social media is that fans have this perception of this incredible access to you and you have access to them through DMs, through comments.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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And then our brains feel like, oh, well, you know, we want, again, there's that, I need to be grateful for this. This is a dream come true experience. Like, I can't lose my fans. So I have to make sure that like, I am almost in a way, acknowledging them or listening to them or, you know, it could definitely be a real...

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

3202.084

Were you worried outside of Taylor? Cause you guys had your friendship fallout drama, whatever, but coming into this show, you have an established group of women that regardless of you starting mom talk, they, I guess took it over and really ran with it and had its success without the scandal.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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You know, were you worried about being welcomed into the group?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Were there any women in particular that you felt more judgment from or criticism from than others?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Michaela and Macy seem incredibly sweet, but they also seem the most devout and conservative with their faith. And then simultaneously, just from a plan perspective, they're, in a lot of the ways seem the most judgmental.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Okay. But like, yeah, Michaela does seem.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Or you just like have it horned up enough.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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It's just like, you know.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Yeah. More experience. I mean, the frontal lobe stuff, I think is kind of more of like a. It's not like, you know, when we're 22, we can't think for ourselves and things like that. But I think more realistically, like you said, it seems to be like a lack of experience now more than ever, right?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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You'll see it get messy. You'd rather not say which direction.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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You know, and I get you can't necessarily spoil him, but like in terms of what, yeah, like without maybe giving the why, I'd love to know your opinion.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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I was like, we got to get you on.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Because 20, 30 years ago, before like hookup culture was what it is today, where everyone's just kind of out there and using sex positivity as a way to just kind of have sex with everybody, seemingly without consequences. Right.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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So you think Jesse has been very forthcoming with everything that might be revealed in season two?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Well, I guess, let me ask you this. Has Jessie admitted anything to you that she did something pretty like outside that, well, that shocked you?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Yeah. Okay. I guess like to add to that question, it's my perception that again, like season one, you know, as great as it was, seemed relatively like vanilla, not vanilla. I mean, hell, it was a hell of a season. It was great to watch. Um, but a lot of the drama, like Jen and Zach, you know, um,

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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And it followed a lot of like just the relationships or the challenges in Mormon culture with young marriages and things like that. You had, you know, Whitney kind of having a fallout with the group and Whitney kind of almost seemed like fine with it. And she was pregnant and kind of like, you know what, maybe didn't like the drama. Season two, it seems like deep.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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yeah things are getting dark their friendships are being questioned yeah they're ending who in the group do you think and it can be multiple it could be zero uh has been most affected and changed as a result of the attention money fame or success that this show has brought to any of these women

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

365.262

And yet when you're still connected to a very conservative church and organization where there's still a lot of taboos around sex and a lot of suppression, regardless of what's happening in the outside world, you know, you know, you guys are still like meeting at a very young age, getting married at a very young age. You were 20. When you got married to Chase, right?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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When it comes to the Jesse and Demi fallout, and thank you for sharing your opinion because I know it's delicate. Right. And you want to be careful with your words. But as you pointed out, you're leaning more, I guess, Team Jesse, for lack of a better way of saying. Right.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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are but you don't sound completely confident are you you're open to being wrong about that and kind of just do you think more might be revealed or like or do you feel like it's a lot of she said she said right now and right now you find jesse's version to be more believable but or are you pretty firm in your opinion or do you think it's possible you could be wrong

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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At that point, you were.

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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And when you say other people involved, are you talking about Marciano?

The Viall Files

E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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So like, I got to imagine it must be difficult even in the Mormon community.

The Viall Files

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You know, because it's not like you guys are insulated in a bubble. You know, it's not like you're not interacting with even Salt Lake City, I'm guessing, has people who aren't Mormon.

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And so, you know, whether it's media, you know, you get porn on the Internet, you know, you have all this access to these things while still trying to live this devout lifestyle. I can see how temptation enters into a relationship or a group of friends.

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Do you think Jen's an honest person?

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Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, that's ultimate. I mean, that, that cameras do that when Mike's, you know, it's just the stakes are heightened, but yeah, there's a big difference between. leaning in to the emotion you're feeling, which is ultimately what reality TV is, right? Like, you know, I've covered reality TV for better part of a decade. There's always this fascination with reality TV.

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And then there's always these discussions about the producer relationship they have with cast and are they making cast do things they don't want to do? My general opinion, having, you know, and I can't speak for everyone's experience and there's Plenty of bad actors in any industry.

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But generally speaking, my opinion is like all producers are really doing is they're there to validate your most intense feelings. They're not the friend who makes you that goes, are you sure you want to do that? No. They're not reminding you of the regret you could feel for just expressing yourself in that moment. But there's a big difference between that and literally just performing a scene.

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And then ending the scene and just being like, all right, well, anyways, what's for lunch? Yes. As if you're literally acting.

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And I've seen reality TV people do that in real time. Yeah. They're in the wrong profession, I guess, for that. Yeah. But as far as you're concerned, you don't really see that amongst the group.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Give me some years and some therapy under my belt and then we can talk about it. Yeah. You were definitely giving different energy than Taylor at the time. Oh, for sure.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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I didn't imagine they'd even want you guys doing that stuff. Yeah.

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Who amongst the group do you feel like is the most misrepresented or there's more to them to what we've seen so far? The most misunderstood. Yeah.

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Do you think it's growth on her part or do you think it's her... her figuring out, like learning from her mistakes and gaming the system because she's, she's not stupid. I've never met Whitney. I look forward to having an opportunity to do that. But, and again, this is all just what I've seen on TV.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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So it might be completely inaccurate, but she, you know, and I, and I say, this is someone who's strategic and I can be calculated. You know, I like to think I have a brain. There's nothing bad about having smarts, but like, do you think her growth is sincere or more calculated?

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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It's like, get Miranda to forgive you. Yeah.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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I mean, we've heard Taylor's version a long time ago, but from your point of view, how do these conversations unfold? Was it just more like we're all together having a DoorDash party? And someone says, let's play spin the bottle when we're drunk. And then it kind of unravels from there.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Yeah. It's just, you know, with this particular fallout, sadly, it just feels like there's conversations going on that are very heavy and very serious.

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And it seems like a real shame.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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I do. I just want to put some clarity on and have this question because the stuff is starting to get out there. Yes. Marciano.

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So to me, refer to him as a sexual predator in the comments. You have your opinion about the situation. You know, way more than us.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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This information is coming out in real time. I'm of the understanding that the accusation is around like he grabbed her in a way that she felt was inappropriate.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Yes. For the people who were there, it sounds like Jen and Jess outside of Demi, who seem to be questioning Demi's integrity. How can they be so confident unless they were literally around her 24-7?

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that you're under the impression was consensual. Yes. That seems to be the biggest driving force, whether it's you or Jesse or any of the other women, that's stopping you ladies from having a hard time believing to me.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Well, thanks for having that conversation. I know it's very difficult and we, all of us obviously want to be respectful and you know more than we know, but you're still, as you just mentioned, you weren't there, you're heavily involved because you're friends with these women. So I appreciate you trying to delicately have this conversation. I know it's not easy.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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So thank you for trying to have it with us.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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A lot of this stuff we're talking about right now is, for all we know, there's more fighting in the comments as we speak.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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And this stuff was playing out this morning before we sat down and recorded. And by the time this episode comes out, which will be a few weeks from now. Right. Who knows where we will stand with the information that is out there and what we're even talking about. So. Yes. Just for those listening. Yeah. It's a lot to unpack. Before we let you go, anything you want to share?

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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I mean, you've been so open. It's been great getting to know you. We're excited to see you join this cast. I speak for myself when I say that. But just any final thoughts before the world gets to see you and the rest of these ladies tomorrow on season two of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives?

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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There's a lot of, I think, fear when it comes to specifically women, you know, who are leaving relationships to enter in the dating world as a single mom.

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what have you learned and what can you offer to any women out there who, who are in your position, who are considering being in your position or just starting to be in your position? We've heard all the fears. Right. I'm, you know, all the worries have been well documented, but what, What have you gained from your independence as a single mom?

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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And what are things that you have learned to appreciate as a single mom that maybe you can share with our audience to offer them more of a silver lining and hope and optimism around being an independent woman?

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Who was obviously out there being.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Well, thank you for sharing that. Yeah. Wishing you the best of luck. Excited to see people watch you this season. And if I can offer you any unsolicited advice, like TV's bullshit, the internet's bullshit. Like the more you can, you know, this is a time for you.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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I hope that to, whether it's your kids, even your ex-husband who have a positive relationship with your family, those real relationships will like center you, ground you. And the more you can focus on their opinions and their completely ignore the other stuff, the better you will be because it really, you know, this is a job for you, you know, and sort of treat it as such. It's entertainment.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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No pineapples on different lawns.

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Let people be entertained, you know, and allow them to think and feel whatever they're going to think and feel because I'm sure you've learned this already. You can't control the opinions of everyone out there. So you might as well just like focus on what's in front of you and what matters. And if you can do that, I think you'll be glad that you did.

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It's hard, but it's a process. If you can do that, then I look forward to watching you on many more seasons to come.

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Thank you guys for listening. Don't forget that season two of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is out tomorrow on Hulu. They're dropping 10 juicy episodes for you to binge, watch, and digest. And we will be covering it the whole way through.

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And we'll see you back tomorrow for another episode of RR with our special guests, Demi and Brett, to preview the upcoming season and get into some of the more juicy stuff conversation so more to come good luck with that bye

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Her true self and putting out the story. What was that whole experience like? Like when it first like dropped.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Yeah. Is, is the regret more centered around people knowing, and here we are having, you know, it's been two years removed and obviously it's our first time talking to you and it's, it's this irrelevant topic given the show that you're on. Uh, and there's still a lot, is it centered around more shame and the fear of, you know,

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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yeah the fear that this will always kind of follow you is like a scarlet letter or or is the regret you know more around maybe my marriage would have wouldn't have fallen apart had we not partaken in this type of activity

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I mean, obviously, like what you guys partook in is untraditional kind of relationship. Right.

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It's not for everybody. No, I suppose. So like if you were to try it, like there might be a lot of people who might go, oh, that was I was into that. Yeah, that was a fun thing. They discover a kink they're into and other people might be like, you know what? tried it. I'm good.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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You know, like even some people who might like be confused about their sexuality and maybe they, they make out with someone of the same sex out of pure curiosity only to be like, I guess I'm in fact straight.

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Yes, exactly. And other people might realize that they really enjoy that experience and dive a little deeper.

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So that, that makes a lot of sense.

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I think one Taylor has put out there that like couples were having sex like with each other around other couples. Is that something that happened?

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Like they were having sex with like an audience.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Okay. But like, I guess in a way you guys could see each other if you wanted to.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Sure. It seems like, you know, Taylor, we've really enjoyed getting to know her and enjoyed interviewing with her and getting to watch the season. Like, you know, it seems like Taylor is a very dynamic person who will say things. There's a lot of truth to what they're saying, but they're vague enough to allow people to... Run with theories. Yes.

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E933 – Going Deeper with Miranda McWhorter

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Do you think that's intentional on Taylor's part or do you think that's just a product of Taylor? You know, she's been very vulnerable about having her own demons and her own issues she's working through. And do you think it's just a product of her just, you know, very sometimes messy figuring her own life out at the sometimes the sacrifice of other people's being involved?

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I have a question. When do you date? Let's say you start dating somebody and then their birthday is kind of soon and you're in that period where you're like, I'm not gonna get you a gift, but

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Do you guys dare me to go into a restaurant and be like, do you know who I am? Sometimes I'm on the couch on the vile files.

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Weil ich, ich war so, ich würde Leute im Auge stören. Und ich war so, ich möchte dich anschauen, nachdem du mich gerade geäußert hast. Weil die meisten Leute waren dumm. I would get, when Starbucks, so Starbucks never had POS tips. It was always only cash tips. And then halfway through when I was working there, they started, they put it on like our POS.

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And literally the disdain people would look at me with, when I didn't even have control over it. I wasn't even turning anything around. It was just there. And they would literally look, they would be like, are you Are you fucking kidding me? And I would be like, look at me and hit no tip then. If you're gonna be so mad about this, you can hit no tip. I don't give a shit.

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Ja, und dann, genau, wenn sie das gemacht haben, war ich so, Period. Aber ich war so, du musst mich anschauen. Und das Ding war so, wenn ich nur jemanden einen schwarzen Kaffee bekommen würde, würde ich sagen, lass mich nicht.

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Aber dann, ja, und dann, wenn jemand fragt, was für die komplizierteste Trink in der Welt, und dann werden sie verrückt, wenn sie einen Tipp verlassen müssen, bin ich so, Mädchen, denkst du, dass ich genug bezahlt bin, um dich mit diesem Thema zu handeln? Ich bin so kind, ich biete, ich bin so, ich habe früher Leute gefordert, um ihre Trinken günstiger zu machen, und dann würden sie nicht trinken.

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Ja, es gibt eine... Ich fühle mich, als würde ich überholt werden, um zu steigen oder dumme Sachen in L.A.

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Und ich werde überwältigt. Ja, die eine Zeit, als ich überwältigt wurde, habe ich angefangen zu weinen. Aber es war, weil ich überwältigt wurde, als jemand neben meiner Hochschule war. Zu Hause. Und dann war ich so, wie der Polizist seine Lichter aufgedrückt hat, als ich durch eine Intersektion ging. Und ich war so, ich habe noch nie überwältigt worden.

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Und ich war so, ich werde nicht in der Mitte dieser Intersektion stoppen. Also habe ich gewartet, bis ich über die Straße kam. Und dann habe ich überwältigt. Und dann sagte dieser Polizist, dass ich zurückgezogen werde, weil er sagte, dass ich in die Szene fliege. Weil er sah, dass ich meine Lizenz gesehen habe. Meine Hausaufgabe war auf der Straße. Und ich war so, was zur Hölle?

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Und dann habe ich angefangen zu weinen, weil ich furchtbar war. Und er hat sich literally zurückgezogen und mir ein Ticket gegeben, nicht um zu steigen. aber für das Verletzen eines Unfallfahrzeuges. Und er sagte, wenn ich ein Stadttrupper wäre, hätte ich dein Auto gewechselt. Und ich dachte, Mädchen, was zur Hölle? Du und mein Vater kannten den Polizisten auch.

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Und er sagte, dieser Typ ist ein Verlierer. Er hängt bei der Hochschule aus, weil ich nichts anderes tun will. Und ich dachte, Period. Aber ich habe 75 Dollar bezahlt.

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I don't know. He is sexualized a little bit. I think he's gotten overly sexualized on the show.

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He didn't get overly sexualized. I'm sure there's other things that he also did that would have maybe rounded him out as a person that's not just fucking. I don't know.

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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner

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Nicht so viel Gerechtigkeit. Nein, oder eine gute Person, um auf Summer House zu sein. Ich denke einfach, dass er... Ich denke, dass die Art und Weise, wie die Konversation um ihn herum ist, so übersexualisiert ist, weil er in die Edit gegangen ist und weil er nicht unbedingt gut auf dem Show gespielt hat.

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Ich denke, dass die Leute auf ihn eine Perspektive haben, die vielleicht nicht die ganze Wahrheit ist.

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Like, go and console her. They're all just like, come on back. Well, from Britney's perspective, she's like, I, like, been there. Come on back. Weißt du, was ich meine? Sie sagt, nein, stopp. Nein, stopp. Wir tun alle das. Tom hat uns versucht, uns zu überzeugen, dass wir unsere Meinung über Jesse verändern werden.

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I mean, I do that sometimes, but it's when I have like, Me and my friends will be drinking Trader Joe's Box Wine and I'm like, wait. Exactly.

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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner

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But have you guys seen Wine Country? The best movie in the world?

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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner

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They do that all the time in the movie Wine Country. Everyone should go watch it.

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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner

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When people start drinking and turn into a different person, it just gives me an ick about them as a whole person.

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Und er ist im Bett, weil sie nicht wollen, dass er mit dem, was er sagen wird, oder an der Table tut, wenn er so trank ist. Ich vertraue es nicht.

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I thought it was the other way around. Girl, I'm remembering this from when I was in high school.

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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner

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I remember my mom had HBO, so I would use the regular HBO because it was through DirecTV. But now they're also, here's my biggest beef with David Zaslav right now, sir. Cracking down on password sharing on HBO.

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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner

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I think they're all doing that. They're like, Netflix did that. Netflix has been doing it, but the amount of mouths that my mother's HBO password feeds, it's truly devastating, what's happening.

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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner

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I gotta correct you. I'm so sorry. It's wrong. Wrong. Wrong. You said my name wrong every time. Demi? It's Demi?

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I know, we were talking about such deep things that I was like, this isn't the place. But now that we've like talked about homes and, you know, we've reestablished just like normalcy. I'm like, now I got a talent. Now you have a bugger in your mouth. Yeah, you have a piece of kale in your teeth.

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Es ist verbunden mit deinem Account, also ich denke, du solltest gut sein, weil du immer noch abrufen musst. Jedes Mal, wenn ich etwas auf Netflix schaue, muss ich meine Mutter anrufen und sicher machen, dass sie wach ist und auch in der Ostküste ist, um sicher zu machen, dass sie mich abrufen kann, wenn ich auf ihr Netflix logge, dass ich reise. Das ist verrückt.

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nervös und auch einfach, ich weiß nicht, in Frieden, dass ich jede Situation bestmöglich gemacht habe, je nachdem, was die Verhältnisse waren und die Informationen, die ich hatte. Aber es ist immer nervig. Du weißt nie, was gezeigt wird, wie Dinge gedreht werden. Und es ist immer so, dass ich nicht weiß, dass das etwas ist, das du besser beantworten kannst als ich.

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Ist es etwas, das du jemals gewohnt bist, dass du nur lebst, Okay, fair. Weil du die Wahrheit kennst, und du denkst, wer kümmert sich?

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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner

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Ja, absolut. Ich weiß nicht, ob du mir Spezifiken nennen möchtest.

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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner

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Yeah, okay, we'll go one for one. Jen. Yes, definitely with Jen, I feel like cameras come out and it's a performance.

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Which you would think that like Whitney, right, who's pursuing acting, that you would be like, oh, this is an act. Like, no.

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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner

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Okay, fair. Yep, that's true. That is true. Yeah, Jen is very performative. Everything was kind of an act. It was very much... Das langweilige Blinken.

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Wie ist Jen in der Realität? Viel mehr zurückgelegt. Sie ist nicht so blöd, wie sie auf der Kamera kommt. Wenn das Sinn macht. Wenn es ein Problem gibt, wird sie sagen, das war eine Misskommunikation. Sie ist ein bisschen einfacher. Aber dann kommen Kameras raus und plötzlich ist sie wie diese blöde Jen, die... Sie ist bereit, jemanden rauszuholen und zu ihrem dummen Mann zu stehen.

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E934 - Demi & Bret, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner

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Ja, und dein Mann ist eigentlich ein sehr netter Kerl. Das ist, wo sie sehr performativ wurde, war mit Zach.

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Was ist los? Ich wollte sagen, bist du es mit der Atmungsklasse verbunden, die wir gemacht haben? Weil ich dachte, das war... Ja, die Art, wie es gedreht wurde, sah wie eine volle Orgie aus. Aber Nocadamine, ja, es ist unglaublich. Es hat mein Leben literally gerettet.

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Ich werde emotional darüber sprechen, weil es die Form der Therapie war, die in meinem Leben kam, in der Zeit, in der ich kämpfte, viel zu kämpfen hatte. Dämonen und fühlte viel Leid und Verzweiflung, um meine vorherige Beziehung zu beenden. Und ich fühlte, als hätte ich meine Familie zerbrochen. Und ich hatte viel zu tun.

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Und es ist zu schlimm, dass es sich irgendwie, weißt du, gezwungen wurde, in der Weise, wie es war, wie diese negativen Dinge mit mir und Whitney. Und dann weiß ich nicht, wie es sich in der Saison 2 darstellt. Aber ich bin so, Jen, das ist nicht deine Geschichte. Wie habe ich Ketamin dir vorgestellt? Wie kam das überhaupt her? Ich bin so fasziniert davon.

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Ich bin sehr sicher davon, weil die Leute sagen, Ketamin, das ist ein spezielles Ketamin. Ich sage, nein, das ist nicht das, was Ketamin für mich war. Es war sehr therapeutisch und ich habe es mit vielen anderen Werkzeugen benutzt. Es hat mich ganz literally geschliffen und auch meine Gehirnchemie verändert.

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Ja, es ist sehr kontrolliert. Es ist sehr, es ist mikrodost. Es ist sehr kontrolliert. Es ist durch einen IV. Okay. Wobei manche Leute es mit einer Pille nehmen. Und sie nehmen viel zu viel. Oder sie... They're not doing it in the right environment and then they lose control. In this situation, like you remove the IV and within like 10 minutes, you're completely back to normal.

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Ja, du hast dich auf deine Mutter gehalten. Und dann waren die Lichter aus. Und er hat gesagt, schalte die Lichter an, schalte die Lichter an. Es war eine überraschende Erfahrung.

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Wo bist du heute mit Jesse? Ich habe Nick vorhin gesagt, dass sie mich auf alles blockiert hat. Wow. Und ich war wieder und wieder mit Nick, in Bezug auf Verantwortung, wenn es um solche Situationen geht. Und wie man das navigiert. Ich habe versucht, eine Konversation mit ihr zu haben, über alles.

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Und sie sind ehrlich gesagt, das, was so schlecht ist, ist, dass so viel von dem war entweder Verständnis und Dinge, die getäuscht sind, oder einfach komplett, wie das Ego, das in den Weg kommt, tatsächlich, wirklich eine Konversation zu haben. Like really when you break it down.

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It's like this was either a miscommunication and like why that hurt you so bad or that genuinely was never said that way or this, you know. And then when I tried to approach her to have that conversation, it was we'll talk on camera. And I was like, oh, so this is very like this is a very transactional relationship.

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This is not like if a friend really cares about you, they would want to have a conversation that day. Let's jump on the call. Like, let's jump on. I mean, y'all had like a real. Freundschaft, richtig? Ich dachte es, ja.

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Well, and multiple things had happened at that point. I don't know what they show in Season 2 in terms of Jesse and I, but they talk about the contract situation. So you haven't seen it yet?

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Nein, ich habe es noch nicht gesehen, also weiß ich nicht genau, was drin war und wie es gedreht wurde. Aber in Bezug auf Jesse und ich, so viele Dinge, nicht so viele Dinge, aber mehrere Dinge sind passiert, die zu diesem Punkt geführt haben. Und sie waren nicht Dinge, die man nicht necessarily durchwerfen konnte.

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Waren es irgendwelche Dinge off camera, die passiert sind, die man sich denken kann? Ja. Yeah, a couple things were off camera. Specifically to, we kind of got into it, but I had opened up to all the girls after Vanderpump Villa that I'd been groped, sexually assaulted. I'm so sorry. That's okay. And I opened up to the girls and I asked them to not tell anyone.

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I told them that, you know, a couple of the girls were like, you need to, like,

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file against this guy like you like if this were me this is what i would do and i was just like guys like i need you to allow me to handle this the way that i want to handle it and um i just said i need you to respect that i don't want to talk about this and i don't want to make it legal i don't want all of the everything that comes with making this legal on my plate right now

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with everything else going on. Like, I do not want this to become a thing. Please promise me you won't tell your husbands. Do not tell a soul. I think all but two weeks later, Jesse went on and went out to do Sheena's podcast and told Sheena. And I was like, you don't even know this person. Like, you don't even know Sheena.

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Like, why would you in the first five minutes of knowing this person tell her something that I've asked you not to tell her? Und das war wirklich schmerzhaft für mich. Aber ich habe es sofort beantwortet. Und ich gebe mir da meine Schuld. Ich habe sie sofort angerufen. Je nachdem, wie ich darüber herausgefunden habe, habe ich sie angerufen. War das auf ihrer Show?

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Sie hat nicht darüber gesprochen, aber sie hat ihr darüber gesprochen. Ich musste eigentlich mit ihr mitgehen, um diesen Podcast zu machen. Und sie und ich waren in einer Kämpfe über Negotiationskontrakte für Saison 2.

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And so I ended up not going out and she was upset with me and I, to her credit, I kind of like ghosted her on the Sheena podcast and I didn't like let her know that I wasn't going to go. And I didn't even like respond to her. I was just so upset. And then she goes out to film the podcast and while they're out there filming, she talks about it.

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So it was just a couple of things that had just like stacked up. And I don't know, I don't want to speak for you, but I do feel like that it was those couple instances like you had already been kind of uneasy, but it was those couple instances where you were like red flag. Am I am I correct in saying that?

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Ich glaube, Taylor... Ich glaube nicht, Taylor kümmert sich um Geld. Als ich mit ihr über Brand-Deal gesprochen habe, hat sie gesagt, ich erinnere mich nicht, wie ich das letzte Mal mit einem Brand-Deal gemacht habe. Es ist sehr klar, wer in der Gruppe ist, um einen besseren Lebensstil für ihre Familie zu schaffen und Geld zu verdienen.

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And none of them are gonna save you from these accusations, boo.

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Und es ist sehr klar, wer in der Gruppe ist, um Ehren und Rekognition zu haben.

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Definitely the lifestyle, the freedom. I grew up very, I would say modest, but on the poverty poor side. I just always knew I wanted better for my family. I did grow up thinking like, oh, it would be so fun to be like a Disney Channel star. It would be so fun to act and do these things.

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And I think it took really being in that situation to be like, I'm not willing to sacrifice the things that people are willing to in this world for that kind of financial freedom. But that's what it was for, for me. It's always been about money. It's always been about creating a better life for my family and creating free time to spend time with my family.

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Ich habe die Perspektive, und ich glaube, Ketamin hat mir viel geholfen. Die Perspektive von Leben und seiner echten Bedeutung. Und mich als, ja, ich bin unglaublich, ja, ich habe Selbstwert, ja, ich kenne meine Fähigkeiten, so lange ich an dich schaue und die gleichen Dinge für dich und dich sage. Aber ich bin immer noch... Nur ein Mensch.

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Und für mich fühlt es sich ein bisschen wie, was bist du so aufgeregt? Es ist okay. Ich sage es immer zu Leuten, ich bin nur eine Frau. Glaub mir, am Ende des Tages bin ich nur eine Frau, die versucht, das Leben zu überleben. Und das ist ein bisschen seltsam für mich. Aber das Worshippen von Menschen ist seltsam für mich.

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Ja, wir waren so, okay. Hatte Jessie früher dein Haar gemacht? Sie hat es ein paar Mal gemacht.

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She's incredible. No, and I will say this. There's nothing wrong with it. It's so subjective. We did clear up how I could have handled the conversation with Taylor better. And I do see that perspective, where even just as a friend, that it wasn't my place to relay other people's opinions about it.

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I think what I was getting so caught up on, and Nick helped me see this, was the semantics and the nuance of, I didn't say that

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Jesse's shit at color I relayed the message that Jen Whitney and Layla said that she did a shitty job and I kept dying on that like but I wasn't the one that was shitting on it like these three girls were and I just relayed that and he was like well still like as a friend don't you see how it's problematic that you were relaying that information that wasn't yours to relay to sway someone else on their opinion which I see clear as day now how that was wrong

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Like, I think it took me literally until hearing that perspective. So thank you, because I was dying on the hill of being like, but I didn't say that. I didn't say that. Like, what aren't you hearing? Instead of hearing Jesse's hurt of, okay, I get that you didn't say maybe this in this way, but this hurt me because you didn't have my back in that moment.

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Das ist eine andere Gespräche, die wir hatten, in der ich ihm die Frage gestellt habe.

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Wenn du einen Freund hattest, wo du Dinge hattest, wo es so ist, dass du einander verletzt hast, und dann entscheidet diese Person, sich komplett aus deiner Leben zu entfernen und dich auf alles zu blockieren, fühlst du, dass es nicht nur deine Verantwortung ist, sondern du fühlst, dass es dein Platz ist, nachdem sie dich klar blockiert haben und gesagt haben, ich will nichts mit dir zu tun haben und sagen, liebe mich, wähle mich, bitte hör mich aus.

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Mhm. In that circumstance, it's almost kind of like if the conversation were to naturally happen, sure, like now I know like how to take full accountability on that. Because she kept saying like, you're not taking full accountability. And I didn't understand that. And I do regret that, you know.

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So, yes, I would have that conversation and fully own, you know, my contribution to that situation as a whole. But I don't think I'd go knocking down her door necessarily to be like, wait, hold on. If y'all happen to be in the same, you would... Ich bin mir sicher, dass wir das werden. Also ja, ich werde das den ganzen Tag behalten, weil das ist etwas, was ich jetzt sehe.

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Ich kann es nicht mehr halten. Ich glaube, das ist der Grund, warum ich die Frage habe.

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Ja, ich denke, das ist natürlich und völlig in Ordnung. Ich denke, es ist auch in Ordnung, darüber zu sprechen.

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Well, okay, now we're getting, now we're putting our foot in our mouth.

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You have a lot of opinion on trains. Ja, genau. I just think it's funny that a French film festival has strong opinions on nudity. I'm like, literally. That is kind of crazy.

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Also, not for nothing, this is the festival that blues the warmest colors. Some of the horniest movies you've ever seen in your life have gotten lauded and praised, but then all of a sudden, if it's on the carpet, they're like, no.

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But that wasn't at camp. That's what I thought about too, yeah.

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Ich finde auch die Halle Berry Sache interessant, denn sie ist die Co-Chefin des Festivals dieses Jahr. Und sie musste das letzte Mal ihr Dress verändern. Also es ist so, wenn dieses Dresscode passieren wird, lasst es sie wissen vor all diesen Designern.

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Es scheint, als es in diesem Artikel war, dass es ein letztes Mal war, dass sie vollständig ein Dress zu tragen hatte und dann es nicht tragen konnte, weil der Train zu groß war. Also ich weiß nicht, ob es ein Scheduling-Issue ist.

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I mean, I didn't get a gift. I looked at George Michael and I said, are you going to tell me happy Mother's Day? And you went, meh. So we did. Yeah, but there was attitude to it.

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Denkst du, dass er das tut, um Kyle zu spiken oder um sich selbst zu pressen? Was soll er sich pressen?

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You know, when I'm suffering in traffic, how come I never get to look to my right and see Mauricio grabbing someone's ass?