The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan return back to earth to rewatch one last movie, Warren Beatty and Buck Henry’s 1978 film ‘Heaven Can Wait,’ starring Warren Beatty, Julie Christie, James Mason, Jack Warden, Charles Grodin, and Dyan Cannon. Podcast Manager: Craig Horlbeck Video Producer: Jon Jones Shopping. Streaming. Savings. It’s on PrimeVisit Amazon.com/prime to get more out of whatever you’re into. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What are the themes of 'Heaven Can Wait'?
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A man who went to heaven before his time. I'm not supposed to be here. Well, you guys made a mistake. And came back to life in the body of another man.
That's me. Inwardly, you haven't changed. You're still Joe Pendleton. That's what you and I see. But outwardly, you're Leo Francois. And that's what everyone else will see.
Warren Beatty. Julie Christie. Heaven can wait. Rated PG.
All right, Heaven Can Wait, our first Warren Beatty movie. You said this was one of your favorite movies.
Absolutely. How come? It was on all the time when I was a kid. And, you know, looking back at it and doing some research on the movie, didn't have any idea that it was taken as seriously as what it was. Like a real critical and commercial hit.
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Chapter 2: Why is Warren Beatty's performance memorable?
Maybe foreign Hall of Fame. Okay. Like Monica Bellucci.
Yeah.
Type of Monica Bellucci wing of the Hall of Fame.
Yeah, Monica.
Judi Dench. Judi, young Helen Mirren. Like Excalibur. Yeah.
I'm thinking about Excalibur. What's the movie that she's in?
The Lady in Rain Man?
Yeah, it's Helen Mirren where she plays, what's her name? Morgana? Morgana.
Rain Man Lady? Can I say something about Warren Baby? Yeah.
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Chapter 3: How does the film reflect 1970s culture?
Well, they film the Super Bowl scene. They have 14 minutes at halftime of a preseason game. So he goes out there and all the plays, they're in front of the full crowd.
Which is just nuts. Imagine if they did that today.
Right. Well, that's what they did with F1, right? And that's what they did on Days of Thunder, where they're throwing guys in there just to shoot it.
I feel like they just did that because you know the guy who plays Reacher now there was a picture of him at a Cubs game and everybody was like oh my god Allen Richen or whatever he is definitely Reacher because if that motherfucker is just walking around looking that angry dressed up like Reacher the whole time they're definitely shooting Reacher when he's in the stands of the Cubs game I guess they still do it every now and again
There's one part in that 14 minutes, like one of the plays where he's just, he's calling plays and he's looking both ways and it almost seems like he's changing the play and he's like, red, red, red, red, red, red. And like, he just seems like a quarterback. It's really impressive. It's up there with anybody.
It's a preseason game against the Chargers was the crowd, right?
Yeah.
That's a great crowd for a preseason Rams game.
Not a lot going on in the late 70s.
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Chapter 4: What makes the character Joe Pendleton relatable?
Some good dogs in that movie. Good dog movie. Great. Good slapstick. It's very Three's Company era where misunderstandings... Just had a quick vision of the future of us doing the Brandy Booth month. Great dog movies. Chip and Chase month. That Rams practice is really fun. So, Joe says goodbye to Betty and then gets shot. It's like, somebody's going to come back someday.
Maybe they're even the quarterback. Which is just insane. Yeah. And then he gets shot and falls in the well. And then the last one, he wins the Super Bowl, but then... The movie gets really sad. Yeah. Do you cry?
You've been known to cry during sad movies. Oh, yeah, I cry. So I didn't cry during this one, but I cry in movies. The scene where Joe is trying to appeal to him. Where Max is trying to appeal to him. Where Max is trying to appeal to him is legitimately sad. It's so heartbreaking.
It's like legitimately the jubilation that you feel when he's able to convince him that he actually is his friend is then completely disintegrated by the fact that he then has to lose that friend again. Yes.
Hey. A little fresh air wouldn't hurt.
Hey, look, just do me one favor. Look at me. Just... Look at me.
And, like, to me, the acting that's done in the movie, so much of it is on that character to be like, oh, my God, I got my buddy back. Let's get him to the Super Bowl. He wins the Super Bowl. They actually have a moment where, hey, it's you again. And then he's gone again forever. Dies right in front of his eyes, basically. And the only thing he has left is the saxophone.
It said in the Biscuit book about Beatty that that scene where he kind of doesn't recognize him and it's a little cold. that for people in Beatty's life, that's kind of what he was like, where you were, you'd be his best friend and then the light would shine on you. And then as soon as he kind of got what he got from you, he'd move on to the next thing.
And then all of a sudden you were like Jack Ward. And then that scene, like, oh man, I guess we're not friends anymore. And then the bittersweet scene with Christie. So, yeah, I think that's my most rewatchable scene. I think the last 10 minutes of this movie are most rewatchable for me. I really liked the Christie. I love when, when it goes dark. And he's like, no, no, whatever he says.
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Chapter 5: What are the most rewatchable scenes in the film?
Oh, that's how I would fucking know.
Yeah, if I knew all this Marvel version.
If you knew all of that stuff, all of the... Van, Van, Van. I'll tell you right now. Galactus. Bill would not know this. Mon Mothma moves, moving her money around. That was like, nah, it's you, Joe.
Chesswap, Roboclander's best character name. I have Max Quirkle. I had Joe Pendleton. I thought that was a strong QB name. What'd you have, Van?
What was the character we just did? I think I had one for that. Oh, I wanted to say something real quick. My favorite shot is, I think it's a weirdly moving shot when they go black out of the tunnel. And then they come out to the little speck of light. Because it's like, literally, everything goes black. He's gone. But then it's like, no, he's still here. And it comes out and he's right there.
It's an awesome shot. I love that every time I see the movie.
Let's take a break and then we got to see our flex category.
All right, CR, flex, go. You know, I'm gonna go Mallory Rubin did this movie need a better sex scene. Because... It is kind of weird that Diane Cannon is a 10, is the proto Dana Wheeler Nicholson in this movie, and is leaving Warren Beatty for Charles Grodin, who seems to be a never nude and is in full silk pajamas in bed with her.
And I just feel like we could have had one scene of Grodin and her going after it.
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Chapter 6: How did 'Heaven Can Wait' perform at the Oscars?
that he was joking hysterical they're all together think about like the left tackle and like the receiver yeah think about the kookiness yeah of those people in that stuck up like Lily White Mansion, when they come down and the linebacker room is in the living room. When the wide receiver room is out there. This is a funny thing in the movie that they missed.
It's a funny thing in the movie that they missed.
Even Max being black would have worked. I was thinking... There's a whole alternate universe where Tom Jarrett is black. And it's like, you have your chance to come back and play for the Rams.
But you're going to be Tom Jarrett.
This is sort of like an extra caveat to the Van Lathan Award should be the Matthew McConaughey, now imagine he's black. Think about that, because if you're...
1978.
So...
Being a quarterback is one thing, but then you got to go out into the world in 1978. He's going to think about that for a second. If it wouldn't have been Tom Jarrett, it would have been Derek Jenkins.
Well, it would have been the new second string quarterback who would have been like the Joe Milton of that team. And he would have to be like, oh, okay. How bad do I want this?
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Chapter 7: What is the significance of Diane Cannon's role?
It doesn't matter how much. It doesn't matter if you come in and you go, I'll pay $100 million.
I know.
They talked about the douche push for like 18 months. Yeah.
It's like you can't. No fucking way. You can't do it. He starts trying to buy them during the playoffs. And then they're in the Super Bowl, and he's already the owner, and he's been practicing for a couple weeks.
How weird is it that the Jets, Ravens, and Pats all got behind the Eagles there for the tush push? It's all the people, all the teams of the ring.
All the people with aggro coaches. Oh, yeah. Rabel's like, I fucking love the tush push. What happened to Tom Jarrett when Leo was practicing with the Rams? The owner just shows up and starts taking reps and they're about to play in the Super Bowl and they have a starting quarterback. What do you mean, what happened to him? Tom Jarrett's just like, all right, I'll just be over here.
He's the starting quarterback. They're about to play in the Super Bowl. This would have been the hugest story Like insane new Rams owner takes over Rams and takes reps from Jared during a practice. This is all anyone would have talked about.
It would have been incredible. I can't. So who would, Jared would have been third string at the start of the season, right?
Jared was second. He was starting for Pendleton because Pendleton was hurt. Pendleton was coming back from an injury. Oh, so Pendleton had hurt his knee. He lost his job. He was coming back.
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Chapter 8: How does the film address themes of love and loss?
Like it. What do you have? Meet Joe Black. Yeah. It's a terrible film. That movie sucks. You guys, but this is a movie that meant a lot. Okay. To us in the community, we watched it. I had so much clear for Lanny stock.
She just kind of blew it over and over and over again. Just, What was the movie she hid in? Mallrats. Mallrats, yeah.
Mallrats is iconic. Bought a lot of stuff. Her and Doherty in Mallrats.
Who won the movie? Warren Beatty. Beatty won. Producer Craig, never saw the movie. What do you got?
I feel bad. Uh-oh. I wanted to like this movie more than I did. I had such high hopes for you because I saw that it was an hour and 40 minutes. Yep. And it's about football. It had everything. I think, honestly, that's part of it. I think my expectations were high. On paper, it looked great. When I saw it, I was like, wow, nine Oscars for this film? 100 million bucks in 1977? Yeah. I don't know.
I didn't hate it by any means. I just thought it was kind of like, I thought it was well cast. I thought it felt kind of dated. It was a little slow. I don't know. It just didn't land for me.
Do you think the fact that it was so critically acclaimed, like changed your opinion of it going in?
Yeah. I think I expected to be blown away a little bit more.
Can I ask you, did you think like the first 15 minutes where you're like, this is incredible? Like when he's like drinking the shake and watching game film and being Warren Beatty, where you're like, if it's this, it's going to be great.
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