The Money Mondays
Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Mon, 05 May 2025
Think making money online is easy? Think again. Dion Pouncil and Brandon Bowsky drop the truth no one else will—real talk on failure, sales, investing, and what it really takes to win online. Don’t miss this raw and unfiltered episode...---Dion Pouncil is a licensed futures trader, investor, and entrepreneur who’s trained over 20,000 students in stock market strategies. From humble beginnings on the South Side of Chicago to leading a global trading education platform, Dion is on a mission to make wealth-building accessible through practical, no-fluff financial education.---Brandon Bowsky is a serial entrepreneur and growth strategist who went from living in his car to building a lead generation empire driving billions in revenue for clients. With experience in everything from music production to insurance and e-commerce, Brandon now mentors others on scaling online businesses, mastering sales, and avoiding costly startup mistakes.---Like this episode? Watch more like it 👇Focus on ONE Skill Or Stay Broke Forever | Adam Sosnick (SoSTalks) & Justin Colby: https://youtu.be/KsFz562SnHAHow Celebs Lose Millions by Saying “No” | Ryan Schinman & DJ Irie: https://youtu.be/tewnDbAgohMThe MARKETING Expert's Guide to Making More Money | Neil Patel: https://youtu.be/DcE0V0rVTbkDoor-to-Door Salesman Made $700K in One Summer w/ Kyle Nielsen: https://youtu.be/BuPBFYiKpQMWatch ALL Full Episodes Here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs0D-M5aH-0IOUKtQPKts-VZfO55mfH6k---The Money Mondays is a business podcast here to teach you how to make money, invest money, and donate money by showcasing some of the world's most successful people and how they do the same. Hosted by serial entrepreneur Dan Fleyshman, the youngest founder of a publicly traded company in history, this money podcast gives you an exclusive behind the scenes look at how the wealthiest celebrities, entrepreneurs, athletes and influencers make, invest and donate money.If you want to learn more business and investing while you work to improve your financial life, you're in the right place! Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@themoneymondays?sub_confirmation=1Dan Fleyshman,The Money MondaysLearn more here: https://themoneymondays.comWatch all the podcast episodes: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs0D-M5aH-0IOUKtQPKts-VZfO55mfH6kLet’s Connect...Website: https://themoneymondays.comPodcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-money-mondays/id1663564091Twitter: https://twitter.com/themoneymondaysLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-money-mondays/about/TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@themoneymondaysFB: https://www.facebook.com/The-Money-Mondays-110233585203220/
Chapter 1: What is the focus of 'The Money Mondays' podcast?
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Money Mondays. We are here in Miami, Florida at Drew's The Move podcast studio. The Move has three studios in this building. At some point, they're going to have multiple more studios here because it is amazing what they're doing. They're so busy. I'm glad they got to sneak us in here to make this episode for today for your listening pleasure.
As you guys know, these podcasts are under 45 minutes because the average workout is 45 minutes. The average commute to work is 45 minutes. This episode will be between 32 and 38 minutes for your listening pleasure. Now, we only cover three core topics, how to make money, how to invest money, how to give it away to charity.
With our guest today, Dion Pounsell, he has trained over 20,000 students how to trade in the stock market. I'm going to let him get into more details about what that means. I don't want to mess it up. I want him to explain what that means for people and so that you guys can understand. Maybe you want to learn. Maybe you want to research and dive into that space. We all hear about it.
We all see it. But I want to dive into why does he do it? How has he been doing it? Why have 20,000 plus people paid to learn from him? And while we do that, we're going to cover those three core topics, how to make money, how to invest money, how to give away to charity. Now, as you're listening to this, keep in mind, you're not just listening for yourself.
These podcasts are designed with billionaires and zillionaires, stock traders, influencers, celebrities, everyone in between, so that you might be able to listen to something for your past, present, and future. There might be people that you know from your past, present, and future that you could talk to about stock trading that maybe you're not interested in it,
but you can learn about it on this episode and vice versa. There's gonna be other episodes that you might listen to someone and it's only impactful for you. So the whole point of these podcasts is to bring you different types of characters to talk about the three main topics so you can get different perspectives for the people in your life.
All right, without further ado, Dion, give us the quick two minute bio so we can get straight to the money.
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Chapter 2: How did Dion Pouncil become a futures trader?
Yeah, single parent home, south side of Chicago, played baseball through high school, college, and minor league independent professional baseball, transitioned into business in the corporate world, already knew that that wasn't for me, got into entrepreneurship, doing different type of side businesses, created an agency that worked a little bit, got some data from it, went to Silicon Valley in LA, raised some money for tech, didn't work out,
Met a billionaire guy in Dubai. He's like, you're smart. You should go work for my hedge fund. Start from the ground up. I did that. Three months later, the fund sunset. I got inspired, studied, got my license of a series three, became a professional futures trader and investor. And I thought if this was my background and I got into it.
in an untraditional route, how many more people would be interested in that, want to learn that and do it for themselves. And so started a program to be able to teach people how to trade and invest the professional way, but from a unique standpoint. And we've helped create four or five, six and seven figure traders now with over 20,000 students worldwide.
So on the make money side, when can someone actually get into the stock market? When can they actually trade? Do they need tens of thousand dollars, hundreds of thousand dollars, or can they start with a thousand bucks?
Chapter 3: How can you start trading with a small budget?
$1,500.
$1,500. So you can start from anywhere. As long as you're 18 and have the ability to open up a brokerage account, you can start and bet on yourself. And many of people have done it. The more information you have about it, yes, you can get more and better edges, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to make money.
How can someone first start studying? Where can they first start listening to certain podcasts, watching certain YouTubes, listening online? Where can people first start to learn about this?
Yeah, I'm kind of anti going down the YouTube university rabbit hole for trade and investing because the difficulty is that most people don't know how to separate the good from the bad or the truth from truth. the BS.
But what I would say is first, if you can find a proven coach or mentor, ideally that you may be able to meet in person or you can find out about their ability to actually do what they say they can do would be the first option if possible. The next thing would be, yes, you can then find a online course of somebody that's actually doing it in real life.
And then if you can't do one of those two options, then I would look at books from proven trading and investors to start there.
Do you have one main website or one main place that people can look at?
Yeah. So for us, it's trade like the pros dot com. That's my whole thing is teaching people how to trade like the pros without going through all of the BS. But if I were starting the book that literally inspired me outside of the fund was Beat the Markets by Edward Thorpe.
I came across his book prior to trading and investing called Beat the Dealer because I like numbers and taught myself how to count cards for blackjack reading Beat the Dealer and made a substantial amount of money off of that in Vegas. And so two years later, I came across his book Beat the Market.
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Chapter 4: What are the benefits of using algorithms in trading?
Can someone have a normal nine to five job and do trading on the side?
Yeah, absolutely. So the nine to five as an excuse is out of the window now. One, I am licensed in futures. The futures market is open 22 hours a day, six days a week. The crypto market is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week. The Forex market is open 24 hours a day, six days a week. Stocks, bonds, and options is open eight hours a day, five days a week.
So literally, no matter where you are in the world, as long as you have an internet connection, you can put your money to work for you and trade and invest.
Do you think the stock market at some point will be 24-7?
Yes. A couple of brokerages like Charles Schwab have already announced that they will allow 24 hour trading in the initial big indexes and things like that. So I think it's inevitable. I probably think we're less than 36 months away from the major exchanges making all of their major indices available 24 hours because they have to be able to keep.
um interest from people who are looking at the crypto markets as well as um sports betting and sports gambling which is getting huge so they have to be able to keep some market share and some mind share because the younger generation is not necessarily interested in long-term investing right now they're definitely big on trading but long-term investing is not something that is kind of top of mind and when they think about these legacy
exchanges um the first thing they think about is stocks and for a lot of them stocks is boring and stocks move too slow especially if you don't have the amount of capital to really make the moves that you want
So a lot of people, when they picture the stock market, they picture the New York Stock Exchange, all the guys in suits, writing on a piece of paper and holding it up to trade. Like, is that still going on? Is that still happening?
Yeah. So that's called open outcry. So those are people in the pits yelling they want to buy and sell. That is only available in Chicago right now, I believe, at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. I think that might be the one place. or one of less than probably 10 open outcries around the world, everything else is essentially computer driven. 80% of all trades globally are done by algorithms.
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Chapter 5: Should you invest in a dividend portfolio?
So investing and trading are similar, but they're different, not only in general by definition, but they're different in the eyes of the IRS. So long-term capital gains and long-term capital losses start at 366 days and beyond. So that is what an investment is. So one year or longer is an investment. One year or shorter is a trade. That's everything from nanoseconds all the way up to a year.
So the first thing that everybody really needs to understand is that investing and trading are different. Now, when I think about investing, The simplest thing that anybody that's listening to this can do right now is a dividend portfolio, a diversified dividend portfolio. And one of the easiest ways to do that is look up what's called the dividend aristocrats and the dividend kings.
So dividend aristocrats are companies that have paid dividends and increased their dividends every year for the last 50 years. And Dividend Kings are every company that has paid dividend and increased their dividend every year for the last 25 years. So you can do two things, one,
You could take out or Google or research a dividend calculator and you could put in this dividend calculator how much money you want to make a year without working. And you say, I want to live off of one hundred thousand dollars a year. And that dividend calculator will tell you how much you need to put into a dividend portfolio and how much that dividend portfolio needs to pay you.
monthly, quarterly, semi-annually, or annually for you to literally put your money to work for you and you never have to work for that money again as long as those companies stay around. So now you got the dividend calculator and you know how much money you want to live off of a year. And then you obviously need to get that capital. And then you put that into a dividend portfolio.
And I personally, if I'm starting from scratch, I would do a dividend aristocrat portfolio over dividend king portfolio. And obviously, this is not trade and investing advice. But if I'm starting from scratch and I'm looking to invest and not be active, that is what I would do to have a solid portfolio. And then.
So the next step with that is I would take a loan against that portfolio because loans are tax free. And then I would actively trade. And as long as my active investments of my active trading is outperforming the interest payment on my loan, then I'm capturing that spread tax free.
So I often talk about what I call 40-40-20, low risk investing, medium risk investing, high risk investing. In the middle, I talk about the stock market. I talked about my top 10 favorite stocks. But over here, I talk about the S&P 500 averaging over 11% a year for the last 92 years. What are your thoughts about the S&P 500? Is it something someone should research?
Is it something that you consider?
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Chapter 6: How important is philanthropy in wealth building?
I'll just give the screen somebody and go to the next training video about how to set up shop five hours for 500 bucks.
Literally. And then, I mean, we made the first couple of trades, we were on the community and we made $1,100 in three minutes. So it literally paid for itself from the first day we had the next one.
So you go live twice a week with Trade Like The Pros.
Yeah.
What are they watching?
So when you join Trade Like The Pros, you have the actual course where I actually teach you step-by-step. And one of the main things in the way I teach is I start with the glossary first because you could have the best strategies, you could have the best program in the world. If people literally don't know the words that you are using, it doesn't matter.
And when you're talking finance, you're talking trading, you're talking investing, you're talking about Wall Street things, it's literally like learning another language, right? Right? So we start with the glossary. We teach people first, then we teach them the strategies. We teach them the math because I believe the chart patterns are bullshit.
I don't believe that, you know, real high level professional traders use chart patterns. So we are not chart patterns over here. We're very data driven, proven things that can be substantiated by math and backtesting. And then part of the program, you get the community. So you get our private trading community where you're able to be and connected with everybody via discord and Slack. Um,
And then I actually trade live with you a couple of times a week. So they're watching live in real time, the algorithms work and generate signals and trade fully automatically, as well as me coaching and teaching them through things. And then I'm answering questions for them in real time. With the program, we have a 24-hour AI teaching assistant. We have a 24-hour trading co-pilot.
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Chapter 7: What is Brandon Bowsky's approach to making money online?
Yes. Yes.
So if you accumulate hundreds of millions of dollars, what percentage of your net worth do you end up leaving to those children?
Yeah. So for me, I'm only thinking B's and T's for sure. There we go. But as a numbers guy, like from in our program, I teach people about the 5% rule that you should never trade or invest in an individual opportunity more than 5% of your available cash balance. And I teach people that that's not only a trading rule, but you should look at that across your entire wealth. And that allows you to
never put yourself in a position where you blow through all your money on one opportunity and as i look at my daughters they're already trust fund babies literally and they're a thousand times beyond my starting point i want to put them in a position to where they not only know what money is
They know how to use it, but they're educated on how to protect it and grow it because I knew how to make money and I knew how to work hard and I knew how to hustle. But I started my first company when I was 25. I made my first million when I was 28. I was broke again by 29 because I didn't know how to protect the money and do all of those things.
And I had to learn through that once I got into trading and finance. So, yes, I want them to have money. Yes, I want them to know how to use money, but I want them to know how to protect it and grow it. So it can be for generations and nobody in our family or bloodline has to start where I had to start. So I always say generational curses ran in my family until they ran into me. Right.
So that's number one. Number two is from a percentage standpoint, me personally, I want to make sure that it follows more of the kind of Rockefeller Rothschild model to where it's waterfalled through the generations. So it would start with at least 50 percent strategically allocated to my seed, to my bloodline, so that they have that wrapped in trust with rules.
And then the other 50 percent would be set up in philanthropic efforts that they will manage through the family trust and things like that.
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Chapter 8: Why are people afraid of making money online?
Where can people find you on social media? Where can go to the trade? Like the pros talk us through everything.
Yeah. So, um, on all social media platforms, I'm just Dion Pounce. So my name, uh, the program where you can be able to learn, earn, and hopefully return for your family is trade like the pros.com. And then as we are going public as John, uh, as Dan, uh, uh, alluded to, um, let's restart that one. Okay. OK, so, yes, I can be found at Dion Pouncil, which is all of my social media platforms.
The website is trade like the pros dot com for anybody that wants to join the course or learn from me. And then, as Dan mentioned and alluded to earlier, we are in the process of getting ready to release our first ETF public on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker ZPG. And that is Fusion Quant Technologies.
All right, guys, the whole point of this podcast is for you to have discussions with your friends, family, and followers about money. A lot of us grew up thinking it's rude to talk about money. I think it's ridiculous. We have to have these discussions. We have to be able to be blunt about it because money is part of your real life. It's part of your daily life.
So you have to be able to talk about accounting, taxes, finances. Should I borrow this money? Should I loan this car? Should I lease, finance? Should I get this apartment? Should I buy a house? These are all real life things with your salary. There's so many questions that's part of your real life. So have these discussions. Check out Dion Pounce across social media.
Check out tradelikethepros.com. We will see you guys next Monday on themoneymondays.com. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Money Mondays. Now, as you guys know, normally this podcast takes place in an RV motorhome for the last 120 episodes in a row. But when I'm in town here in Miami, I have a special guest who drove over an hour to be here. I had to make an exception.
So we're inside the Move Studio with Drew's The Move. It's an amazing studio. It actually has three studios in one building. So it's very useful and very versatile. And so my guest is actually here so we can shoot VSLs, sales pitches, commercials, ads, paid ads on all the different platforms. We're like, why don't we make a podcast? So this is perfect timing.
And so I've been wanting to interview him for a long time because he spent over $1 billion and created all this e-commerce magic for brands, for products. He's going to get into the details of it. I can't explain as good as he can.
But what's really important is he finds brands or he finds products or he finds people that he can help scale at a rapid rate because of the efficiencies of how much he's spent over the course of time. So without further ado, we're going to cover three core topics. How to make money, how to invest money, how to give it away to charity.
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