Dion Pouncil
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And then, um, you know, I got family and friends down here.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Literally. And then, I mean, we made the first couple of trades, we were on the community and we made $1,100 in three minutes. So it literally paid for itself from the first day we had the next one.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Yeah.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
So when you join Trade Like The Pros, you have the actual course where I actually teach you step-by-step. And one of the main things in the way I teach is I start with the glossary first because you could have the best strategies, you could have the best program in the world. If people literally don't know the words that you are using, it doesn't matter.
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And when you're talking finance, you're talking trading, you're talking investing, you're talking about Wall Street things, it's literally like learning another language, right? Right? So we start with the glossary. We teach people first, then we teach them the strategies. We teach them the math because I believe the chart patterns are bullshit.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
I don't believe that, you know, real high level professional traders use chart patterns. So we are not chart patterns over here. We're very data driven, proven things that can be substantiated by math and backtesting. And then part of the program, you get the community. So you get our private trading community where you're able to be and connected with everybody via discord and Slack. Um,
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
And then I actually trade live with you a couple of times a week. So they're watching live in real time, the algorithms work and generate signals and trade fully automatically, as well as me coaching and teaching them through things. And then I'm answering questions for them in real time. With the program, we have a 24-hour AI teaching assistant. We have a 24-hour trading co-pilot.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
We have customer service humans. And then we have me teaching and answering questions live with the community. And that makes them not only feel that the program is valuable and over delivers, but it also makes them feel comfortable. They can ask questions in real time about what they may be seeing, what they're thinking, especially this year with all of the market volatility.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Yeah, single parent home, south side of Chicago, played baseball through high school, college, and minor league independent professional baseball, transitioned into business in the corporate world, already knew that that wasn't for me, got into entrepreneurship, doing different type of side businesses, created an agency that worked a little bit, got some data from it, went to Silicon Valley in LA, raised some money for tech, didn't work out,
The Money Mondays
Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
And every five minutes, there's a news announcement or a tweet or somebody comes out and says something and the market goes crazy, it gives them some comfort to be able to say, hey, you know what, I can get a professional thought or professional insight on this in real time a couple times a week.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Yeah, I think it's important 100% because if someone didn't do it for me, then I literally wouldn't be here, right? Because I grew up in a single-parent home on the south side of Chicago in the 80s and 90s and early 2000s. And if it wasn't for my coaches and my pastors and my mentors –
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
to be able to step in and help fill that gap for my mom as well as my other teammates and stuff like that to help keep us out of the streets, keep us on a straight path, then that would have impacted me substantially. Second, I played for the RBI local and national team, which was sponsored by the Boys and Girls Club of America.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
So without those people investing in donating and philanthropic efforts into Boys and Girls Club and to the RBI programs, I literally wouldn't have been able to afford to do some of those things, right? So I think it's important in general because I am a product of that help, that service, that commitment, that philanthropy.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
And then when you start to get money and you get to a certain level, it's only so much you can buy. It's only so much you can do. And you start to realize that all these material things that you may have wanted and things to do don't bring you any completeness or value because you start to realize that it's really from you and within.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
So you start to look at money as really just what it is, a tool. It's a tool for you to live and design a lifestyle that you want to live. But then it's also a tool for you to be able to use and help other people. And I think that's why it's extremely important to put money in its proper place of how you view it. And then you can also use that to help other people enrich their lives.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Yes. Yes.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Yeah. So for me, I'm only thinking B's and T's for sure. There we go. But as a numbers guy, like from in our program, I teach people about the 5% rule that you should never trade or invest in an individual opportunity more than 5% of your available cash balance. And I teach people that that's not only a trading rule, but you should look at that across your entire wealth. And that allows you to
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
never put yourself in a position where you blow through all your money on one opportunity and as i look at my daughters they're already trust fund babies literally and they're a thousand times beyond my starting point i want to put them in a position to where they not only know what money is
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
They know how to use it, but they're educated on how to protect it and grow it because I knew how to make money and I knew how to work hard and I knew how to hustle. But I started my first company when I was 25. I made my first million when I was 28. I was broke again by 29 because I didn't know how to protect the money and do all of those things.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
And I had to learn through that once I got into trading and finance. So, yes, I want them to have money. Yes, I want them to know how to use money, but I want them to know how to protect it and grow it. So it can be for generations and nobody in our family or bloodline has to start where I had to start. So I always say generational curses ran in my family until they ran into me. Right.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
So that's number one. Number two is from a percentage standpoint, me personally, I want to make sure that it follows more of the kind of Rockefeller Rothschild model to where it's waterfalled through the generations. So it would start with at least 50 percent strategically allocated to my seed, to my bloodline, so that they have that wrapped in trust with rules.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
And then the other 50 percent would be set up in philanthropic efforts that they will manage through the family trust and things like that.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Yeah. So, um, on all social media platforms, I'm just Dion Pounce. So my name, uh, the program where you can be able to learn, earn, and hopefully return for your family is trade like the pros.com. And then as we are going public as John, uh, as Dan, uh, uh, alluded to, um, let's restart that one. Okay. OK, so, yes, I can be found at Dion Pouncil, which is all of my social media platforms.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Met a billionaire guy in Dubai. He's like, you're smart. You should go work for my hedge fund. Start from the ground up. I did that. Three months later, the fund sunset. I got inspired, studied, got my license of a series three, became a professional futures trader and investor. And I thought if this was my background and I got into it.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
The website is trade like the pros dot com for anybody that wants to join the course or learn from me. And then, as Dan mentioned and alluded to earlier, we are in the process of getting ready to release our first ETF public on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker ZPG. And that is Fusion Quant Technologies.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
in an untraditional route, how many more people would be interested in that, want to learn that and do it for themselves. And so started a program to be able to teach people how to trade and invest the professional way, but from a unique standpoint. And we've helped create four or five, six and seven figure traders now with over 20,000 students worldwide.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
$1,500. So you can start from anywhere. As long as you're 18 and have the ability to open up a brokerage account, you can start and bet on yourself. And many of people have done it. The more information you have about it, yes, you can get more and better edges, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to make money.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
100%.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Yeah, I'm kind of anti going down the YouTube university rabbit hole for trade and investing because the difficulty is that most people don't know how to separate the good from the bad or the truth from truth. the BS.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
But what I would say is first, if you can find a proven coach or mentor, ideally that you may be able to meet in person or you can find out about their ability to actually do what they say they can do would be the first option if possible. The next thing would be, yes, you can then find a online course of somebody that's actually doing it in real life.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
And then if you can't do one of those two options, then I would look at books from proven trading and investors to start there.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Yeah. So for us, it's trade like the pros dot com. That's my whole thing is teaching people how to trade like the pros without going through all of the BS. But if I were starting the book that literally inspired me outside of the fund was Beat the Markets by Edward Thorpe.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
I came across his book prior to trading and investing called Beat the Dealer because I like numbers and taught myself how to count cards for blackjack reading Beat the Dealer and made a substantial amount of money off of that in Vegas. And so two years later, I came across his book Beat the Market.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
And this guy, if you've ever seen the movie 21, where Kevin Spacey plays the guy that teaches his students how to crack cards. Count Cards and Go to Vegas and Make Money. That movie is based off of Evers Thorpe's real life.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
So he was a college professor out in Boston, math and physics major, created an algorithm to beat the dealers in casino, got bored, and now runs a $50 billion fund that's fully algorithmic from trading and investing. So that book is what inspired me to get over the hump. And that's where if I had to start today, right now, I would still start with that book.
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Yeah, absolutely. So the nine to five as an excuse is out of the window now. One, I am licensed in futures. The futures market is open 22 hours a day, six days a week. The crypto market is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week. The Forex market is open 24 hours a day, six days a week. Stocks, bonds, and options is open eight hours a day, five days a week.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
So literally, no matter where you are in the world, as long as you have an internet connection, you can put your money to work for you and trade and invest.
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Yes. A couple of brokerages like Charles Schwab have already announced that they will allow 24 hour trading in the initial big indexes and things like that. So I think it's inevitable. I probably think we're less than 36 months away from the major exchanges making all of their major indices available 24 hours because they have to be able to keep.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
um interest from people who are looking at the crypto markets as well as um sports betting and sports gambling which is getting huge so they have to be able to keep some market share and some mind share because the younger generation is not necessarily interested in long-term investing right now they're definitely big on trading but long-term investing is not something that is kind of top of mind and when they think about these legacy
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
exchanges um the first thing they think about is stocks and for a lot of them stocks is boring and stocks move too slow especially if you don't have the amount of capital to really make the moves that you want
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Yeah. So that's called open outcry. So those are people in the pits yelling they want to buy and sell. That is only available in Chicago right now, I believe, at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. I think that might be the one place. or one of less than probably 10 open outcries around the world, everything else is essentially computer driven. 80% of all trades globally are done by algorithms.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
So it is computers, It is people behind computers making manual or discretionary trades, or there are algorithmic quantitative traders and investors like myself and others, or you have hybrids where they'll get these signals from the algorithms and then they'll still make the trades or investments manually.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Yeah, so a quantitative developer or a quantitative trader is a person who studies math and science that... They're very good at statistical models and the quantitative side of data analysis. And then they also can program via computers. So then they can combine that as a hybrid and they can take those models and actually code them into algorithms to trade and invest for them fully automatically.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Now, the thing a lot of people get overwhelmed or they get nervous when they hear about the word quant or they hear the word algorithm. an algorithm simply is just a step-by-step process. So if you get up every day and you have the same routine, you get up, you check your phone, you brush your teeth, you take a shower, et cetera, et cetera, that's your daily routine or daily algorithm.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
And so whatever it is that you do that can be done on a computer can actually be programmed and can be automated, and it follows that same step-by-step process. Why that's powerful and important when it comes to trading is because it doesn't have the same default parameters negative things that a human may have. The algorithms don't get tired. They don't have partners or kids.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
They don't have jobs. They don't get distracted by social media mentions, et cetera, et cetera. They just follow the same step-by-step process efficiently and effectively the same way every single time. And when it comes to trading and investing, you actually would prefer that because some of the biggest mistakes and biggest impacts on people's negative trading are the human elements.
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Yeah, 100%. I think you need a hybrid of a passive portfolio and an active portfolio. So passive is where you're just putting the money to work for you bigger picture long term, think generational wealth building, and think active for trading. So first and foremost, in the eyes of the IRS, 366 days is the first day of an investment.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
So investing and trading are similar, but they're different, not only in general by definition, but they're different in the eyes of the IRS. So long-term capital gains and long-term capital losses start at 366 days and beyond. So that is what an investment is. So one year or longer is an investment. One year or shorter is a trade. That's everything from nanoseconds all the way up to a year.
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So the first thing that everybody really needs to understand is that investing and trading are different. Now, when I think about investing, The simplest thing that anybody that's listening to this can do right now is a dividend portfolio, a diversified dividend portfolio. And one of the easiest ways to do that is look up what's called the dividend aristocrats and the dividend kings.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
So dividend aristocrats are companies that have paid dividends and increased their dividends every year for the last 50 years. And Dividend Kings are every company that has paid dividend and increased their dividend every year for the last 25 years. So you can do two things, one,
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
You could take out or Google or research a dividend calculator and you could put in this dividend calculator how much money you want to make a year without working. And you say, I want to live off of one hundred thousand dollars a year. And that dividend calculator will tell you how much you need to put into a dividend portfolio and how much that dividend portfolio needs to pay you.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
monthly, quarterly, semi-annually, or annually for you to literally put your money to work for you and you never have to work for that money again as long as those companies stay around. So now you got the dividend calculator and you know how much money you want to live off of a year. And then you obviously need to get that capital. And then you put that into a dividend portfolio.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
And I personally, if I'm starting from scratch, I would do a dividend aristocrat portfolio over dividend king portfolio. And obviously, this is not trade and investing advice. But if I'm starting from scratch and I'm looking to invest and not be active, that is what I would do to have a solid portfolio. And then.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
So the next step with that is I would take a loan against that portfolio because loans are tax free. And then I would actively trade. And as long as my active investments of my active trading is outperforming the interest payment on my loan, then I'm capturing that spread tax free.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Yeah. If you are looking for passive, if you're looking for just an index fund or you're looking for something to where you can put it and not necessarily think about it as often, then the S&P 500, the QQQ, these type of ETFs are low to medium risk. They are consistent and they've been proven over time. And
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If you are not looking to actively trade, and this is what I tell people all the time, if you're looking to produce daily, weekly, monthly income, that's trading. If you're looking to just grow your wealth over time through slow accumulation or compounding interest, then you can look at investment portfolio. So the S&P 500 most popularly traded instrument and asset on the class is the SPY ETF.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
You can look at that. You don't need a fund manager. You don't need a course. You don't need a mentor. Do your research to make sure that you're educated and informed. Select you a high quality dollar cost averaging strategy frequency of what and when you want to put that amount in. Keep that same amount and that same consistency of frequency. Set it, rinse, repeat, and keep doing it.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
Yeah, no. So Miami is always one of my favorite cities. We own real estate here and all of that. So it's not a hard sell for me to come to Miami and do extended trips and things of that nature. And I've been traveling now. I've been in ten cities in the last 45 days, including three countries.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
but this was the longest part of the trip that I had the opportunity to sit down for a second and catch up on some things. And I have my actual hedge fund that I'm licensed and I run and I have a team of quantitative developers that work with them for me to create my trading strategies into algorithms. Then I have just my personal money management and trading accounts and stuff like that.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
And then I have the program where I actually teach people how to trade and invest. And I go live with them twice a week. And so when I do that, I feel more comfortable being at my station, being able to see the things that I'm looking at for my business and or my fund while separately on another screen, I can be able to teach and lock in and focus on them.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
And when I'm traveling all the time, although most of my stuff is in remote servers, if I'm only on the laptop, I only have one screen and I can basically only be able to lock in and focus on what that is and not really see what else is going on. Although I look at my fun And my team is like, we're like NASA mission control.
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Making Money Online? Here’s What No One Tells You | Dion Pouncil & Brandon Bowsky 💰 EP120
We're not really actually up there, you know, managing the rocket ships in person, but we're in NASA just making sure that the algorithms and the technology works and does what it's supposed to do. So when I have extended trips, I mean. It cost me $400, $100 a screen to buy four screens. It cost me $50 to get a dude from TaskRabbit to set it up.
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So $500, it was set up when... I don't think it's serious set up. Yeah, but it took me... three minutes to order those screen on Amazon. They came same day, shout out to Jeff Bezos with the same day delivery. The task rabbit do showed up at nine o'clock. It was all done within four hours of me thinking about it. So it wasn't really a, a big thought or big deal.