The Lore Lads
What's Happening With These Missing Women? | Podcast Episode 165
Thu, 17 Apr 2025 08:00:00 -0000
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, another week, another missing person, also missing, my will to live. How about you? Oh, same. Nothing's changed on that front. Oh, yeah, it's been a struggle. You know, we've been trying to find cases to cover, and the problem we're running into consistently now is, thankfully, there's a limited number of missing people. We are grateful for that. Yeah, yeah.
Even more thankfully, there are a limited number, an even more limited number of missing people whose cases are actually mysterious. And, you know, I don't want to be a true crime channel. We kind of already are. That's the thing. I know, I know. But, like, I...
The real the real issue primarily is the fact that most of the cases that we look at, he is not convinced they're interesting enough to make a video about.
I am having a serious existential crisis about how as Amanda and I get closer to the ending of House, which, again, I'm not going to spoil it because I don't want to spoil it. And she watches the show. So if you haven't seen it, the show's been out for 20 years. But one of the best television show endings, I think, ever. Could not agree more.
Personally, it's one of the few that I haven't been like, eh, it could have been better. You watch it and you're like, yep, you know what? That is the best possible way you could have ended this show. Wraps up all the loose ends, makes everybody, you know, it pulls at your heartstrings. But I keep realizing more and more that I have entirely too much in common with the titular character.
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Chapter 2: How are missing persons cases selected for discussion?
Yeah, I could totally see it. Yeah. Instead of Vicodin, it is Adderall for me. Although I do have significant back pain. So who knows? Maybe down the line, I too will become addicted to opiates. I thought you were going to say get a cane. No, no, no, no, no. That's back pain. What am I going to get? A back brace?
Well, I mean, if the back pain gets too bad and you can't support your upper body enough. That's fair. So maybe that. Maybe if another one of your ribs breaks. Another one.
Yeah. For those who don't know, I have broken my ribs on three separate occasions. None of those were fun experiences. I have chronic pain in the left side of my upper back from one that I broke when I was 11. And then I also have lower back pain that I can't totally figure out why I have it. But... It got better for a little while because I put Dr. Scholl's in my shoes.
That helped a lot, but it's still not totally better. And the last few nights I've been in excruciating levels of back pain. Can't really lay down. Not an enjoyable time. Anyway, to bring it back to the topic of the conversation, if the case isn't interesting, I have a lot of trouble... caring enough to write a 20-page essay on it.
I... So... Also, like, a lot of stuff we've covered in the past, like, I was realizing as I was reading through stuff, like, I went and I found, like, lists of, you know, unsolved, bizarre disappearances and stuff, and I'm like, okay, done it, done it, done it, done it, done it, done it, looked at it, not enough information, done it, done it, like...
Everything's like, oh, the mysterious disappearance of Garrett Bardsley. And I'm like, yep, been there. Jordan, been there.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of the Norristown case?
I will say there are some back from like deep in our backlog. The boy in the box came back up, been there, done that. What I was thinking, like, so I was going through part of what I was doing for work this weekend was going back and I was setting up Monday, which for ladies and gentlemen, we at The Lodge, after almost four years of operating, are finally utilizing a organization software.
Or at least one of us is for now. We'll get him squared away eventually. Squared away. I don't know why I turned Swedish for a moment there. You are hiding the scheduling under the floorboards, aren't you?
Which is a great reference to the meme that we talked about this weekend. But yeah, one of the things I was realizing is that there are a few things from way back in the day that we probably could cover again. Yeah, Kenny Beach was one of the things I was thinking about.
Oh, I wish I had thought of that six hours ago. I haven't actually started this week's case yet, but I could theoretically do that. But I liked what you found, and it actually relates to the topic of the show today. Yes. Do you want to tell the class what you learned at the mechanics today?
So I went over, so my truck is dead right now, and I turned out, thankfully, not entirely my fault. Turns out it was the previous owner who made some bad repair decisions, and it ended up affecting me down the line, which is great. I'm just glad I wasn't a complete idiot.
But while I was there and we were discussing that, they know what we do and they're always interested in what cases we're covering. And one of the mechanics who works there was saying, well, if you guys ever want anything local, I know of a number of different stories in the area. One of them actually involves my aunt. And I was like, oh?
And so he gave the story of a young woman who was living in Norristown back in the 80s. For those who are unaware, Norristown is approximately 15 minutes east of us. Yes.
Uh, she disappeared. Um, there was a young man who I think by that point was probably in his like twenties or something like that, uh, who was considered to be responsible and the police could never pin it on him, even though apparently supposedly, uh, there were bloody clothes of hers found in his apartment, uh,
uh that was yet enough that was still not enough to convict him in any sort of way for whatever reason uh i'm very curious to know why the 1984 norris town police department couldn't really i'm that down i'm gonna try to call the norris town police department so here's the thing like on the one hand we could do kenny beach this week because it's it's worth redoing that yeah i and that would give me more time to get in touch with the police yeah
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Chapter 4: How does police protocol affect missing persons investigations?
Which, for those of you who may or may not have been from Southeastern PA, when that came out back when we were in high school, everybody was obsessed with that story because it was crazy, it was from this area, a lot of weird things were going on. But yeah, so supposedly we may have an in to be able to talk about this story that happened basically in our backyard in the not-too-distant future.
Also, by the way, it just occurred to me because we were talking about this, that Marguerite Chioda 22 year old, uh, last seen walking home from a dance on March 3rd, 1954. Right over there. Really? Yeah. Like literally our backyard.
Yeah.
Um, so there, there's a number of things we can probably cover. Uh, like there's also, there's some, there's one that's actually called the mainline murders.
Really?
Yeah. Oh, there's also the, um, what school district was it? This was in the seventies or the eighties, but one of the teachers and, uh, one of the administrators were involved in some like murder conspiracy and they were like attempting to run off together. There was a book about that. It was the, not the school my dad went to, but the school district he was in because he went to Catholic school.
Weird. Yeah. Which is not too dissimilar from the situation with the boy in the box. Yes. The parents who allegedly... Actually, everybody in their family is dead now. The parents who adopted and then killed him, I was able to track them down. They worked for Lower Marion School District. Yeah. Yeah, and lived in Foxchase.
I would not be shocked if that was more tied together than the people may believe. Yeah. I mean, do you remember what the time period was? It was... I think it was a little after Boy in the Box, actually.
Well, they didn't... Nobody found out they did it. There there was like there it was wild there's allegations like a satanic pedophile ring like but you know you know not not like a QAnon way like a their own daughter accused them of this way yeah I like you know satanic rituals going on in a basement.
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Chapter 5: What are the differences in how male and female missing persons cases are treated?
Mm-hmm.
I read through probably 40% of missing 411 Western United States today. There's not much weird in there. Like, the one thing that was weird is I finally got to Paul Fugate, and I was like, well... Covered that one. Yep. What about, and you guys can give us feedback. I'm going to be honest. I was sort of looking for a case that would let me talk about skinwalkers. Fair, fair. Understandable.
So, um, cause I got a trick that YouTube algorithm into thinking it's a true crime video.
Yes. For those of you in the audience right now, you could give immediate feedback. Thoughts on if we essentially just go through all of the missing 411 cases relatively rapidly and just show how not weird they actually are and finally kind of put the final nail in the coffin within the next year on missing 411?
That would just be a really long version of the Pennsylvania cluster video, the first one. That's my thought. I was going through it, and I'm like, that's normal, that's normal. There are a few, granted. There was one out in... I think it was... I want to say Wyoming. A little bit east of... if I'm remembering correctly, it was in a place called Green River Lakes. And it was a 16-year-old girl.
Last person to see her was her twin brother. She was walking across a footbridge in this nature area. They found her clothes a little bit later, like down the same path, and she was nowhere to be seen. They never found her.
Every response, which is a couple dozen in the last minute, has said, please do it. For proving the missing 411 cluster is not anywhere near as weird as everybody... We are going to get so much hate from a specific few people.
Yeah, but at the end of the day... I could almost do that just sitting there with the book open. Just be like... Yeah, so in this one, they said it was weird that this 74-year-old was walking on an isolated trail 50 miles from civilization, having told nobody where they went, and then they got lost. They were never found. In 1974. Yeah.
It's just like, cardiac event, mountain lion, bear, wolf, any number of things. Pretty much Murphy's Law, just at all. And that thing is like, you know, I will admit one weird one is the Maurice Dr. Metz case. I was looking at covering that one, but I'm having trouble finding enough material. Because that's one of the other things is like...
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Chapter 6: What insights do we have about trafficking in missing women cases?
One thing I have not been struggling with is finding documentation on the Brianna Maitland and Maura Murray cases. Oh, my God. There is so much. One set of dudes has done like 150 podcast episodes on the Maura Murray case. Whoa. Yeah. Look, I have no... I am not trying to impugn their honor in any way. Just I don't understand how you...
Wow, 150 episodes? We've barely done more than that on almost every case that we have covered. Yeah, that's so much. I would love to talk to those guys, honestly, or Greg Overacker. Tim and Lance were the guys with the Mara Murray case one. It might be worth reaching out to them before we tackle that case at some point in the future.
That thing is, you know, when I was looking at doing the Mara Murray case, I was like, you know, first of all, I've unfortunately boxed myself into a point where I feel like if I don't have the most comprehensive video on a subject that exists, I have done something wrong. I cannot do that with Mara Murray. There is simply too much. I...
That said, what I did find very interesting looking into that case and then looking into the Brianna Maitland case is, first of all, they are oddly similar in a lot of ways. Mm-hmm. But as I remember, if you remember, when I started looking at it, I was like, okay, I'm going to do a video that's, is there a serial killer in Vermont? Or was there a serial killer in Vermont that they didn't catch?
And I kind of came to the conclusion pretty quickly that no, I don't think there was. These two women were from completely different places. One was from northern Vermont. One was from Massachusetts. I... What's the likelihood?
And the linchpin for Overacker, Greg Overacker, the PI who investigated Brianna Maitland's disappearance, the linchpin for him is that Brian Rooney, and he doesn't say it was Brian Rooney, but he says he heavily implies it was Brian Rooney. I don't think there's any doubt that he's talking about Brian Rooney.
So he implies that Brian Rooney was responsible for Mara Murray and Brianna Maitland, kind of like how David Politis implies that Bigfoot is responsible for missing for a lot.
Yes, but his argument's a hell of a lot more realistic. But yes, same kind of like, I'm not going to say it's Bigfoot. Not saying it was aliens. But there was another woman whose name is escaping me right now, the woman he actually got caught for, who... Maybe I'm reading too much into the fact that serial killers typically have a more consistent MO.
But Brian Rooney's situation... I struggle to see how he could have been responsible for both of them. Aside from the fact that Mara and Brianna disappeared within a month of each other, basically. I think people... And this is something that I even saw in the comments on the video. Mara definitely... Or not Mara. Brianna made some bad decisions.
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Chapter 7: How can community awareness help in missing persons situations?
search the area didn't search the house didn't search didn't call for backup didn't say hey i've got something weird basically looked at it saw paychecks made out to brianna maitland from uh the black lantern in went checked to see if the black lantern was open it wasn't and then he went on vacation i think i missed that detail he went on vacation yeah he had a long weekend okay okay yeah so i didn't report any of it like didn't file his paperwork before he left
Is it likely that Brianna Maitland would have been found if he had filed his paperwork on time? No, absolutely not. But it does not give me confidence in the police. That's the thing. Even though it was unlikely that that would have made the difference, it's not impossible that it would have.
But then that's the thing. We see this over and over and over again across the country, even up into Canada. Especially up in Canada, especially up in Canada.
I mean, the Amber Takaro case is a big example of that that we've talked about ad nauseum where I mean, it was so obvious to everybody immediately that this woman was abducted and probably murdered. And the RCMP was like, oh, no, looks like looks like she might have just gone gone out shopping.
No? You look at Brianna Maitland. What...
I found this mysteriously abandoned car with all of these things that would suggest this person didn't leave of their own free will. Yeah, I don't think they call that in. I mean, you get up to Maura Murray, it's one of the few times that they've actually bothered to have any sort of response. And even then... They were like, ah, well, there was an open bottle of alcohol in the car, so, uh...
She probably deserves it, I guess. Yeah, the standards for, like, well-curated police care. What if it was your daughter? Yeah. I mean...
Look, being a police officer is a very difficult job, but we're not talking about necessarily beat cops here and people who are pulling traffic stops and have to worry about whether or not they're going to get shot when they ask somebody to roll down the window. We're talking about detectives who... A state trooper who came across an abandoned car in an abandoned lot.
Things that are not high-risk scenarios, generally, it's more just like... Lack of care. Lack of initiative. I will say there is one thing that bugs me about the Brianna Maitland case. What's that? Jillian Stout's father. Why that specifically?
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of police training on case outcomes?
No, Stout was still in high school. So either Jillian Stout was living alone, and I ended up having to rewrite this out of the script. Either Jillian Stout was living alone and... In that case, first, did Brianna not know that she was leaving for the weekend? She left a note behind. Why leave a note behind if you know that she's leaving for the weekend?
So did Brianna not know she was leaving for the weekend? And if the idea is that she pulled over to meet somebody to pick up drugs or something, why do that on the side of a rural highway when you've got an entire house to yourself? I mean, I will say like generally you wouldn't want to invite drug dealers into your home, even if it is.
But that's the thing is like she she was already making those bad decisions. Fair, but I can understand not making that. Yeah. But even still, like why so far from home in an abandoned field?
I mean, to me, that makes more sense than anywhere near your house. I guess. Especially if it was somebody like from her perspective where she was trying to get like get off of it. You know, I mean, given the scenario, the fact that she's trying to get off of it alone leads me to be suspicious of the fact that she would have met up for drugs anywhere. Yeah.
But I can certainly understand that people who partake are still cautious enough to be like, hey, I don't I'm here for the product. I don't need you knowing where I live. Yeah. And like that house, that's going to be a good drug. That's the thing is just from reading about it. It doesn't sound like people were making that distinction. That's fair.
You know, maybe they were, maybe, you know, maybe it was somehow a more intelligent choice, but even then, you know, I don't know. It just bugs me. The location bugs me. But yeah. So anyway, point is, you know, If Jillian Stout was living with her father, though, why did he not report Brianna missing? The only thing I can think of is that this was a normal scenario for her to not show up.
She'd only been living there for like a month. That's the thing. If she's really out partying a lot... From what I understand, at the time, ever since that assault, she hadn't been. And that's the other thing I don't get is the police just...
There's no explanation for why in this case the police, knowing that just under a month before this disappearance, there had been a fight over a boy between two teenage girls and they didn't follow those leads. No, yeah, there's no good reason for that.
And on the one hand, you know, if the police are going to come out and say, all right, well, actually, we did follow those leads. We checked up on their alibis. We were able to prove definitively that Keely LaCrosse was at her parents' house watching a movie with them at the time this happened.
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