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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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There's some notion that that's the right thing to do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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I tried to kick at it, although my injuries were such that probably I couldn't. I don't know. Yeah. I think I kicked at it. And then it was just gone. I don't remember it swimming away, but I got myself up to the surface. There was a security camera in the distance that captured this whole thing. No way. It captured the shark breaching. And then 12 seconds later, I come up and start yelling.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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When I got to the surface, I knew I was badly hurt. I didn't know how bad. And I sort of leaned back. To try to get my legs up, I thought, don't let your legs hang down. It'll just bite you again. As I lifted my knees up, I could see my left leg where there should have been wetsuit or skin. It was just nothing but hamburger red. Oh, my God. And the water was red.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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And I knew I was in horrible trouble. I just swam a mile and a half. There was absolutely no way I could swim the remaining 150 yards to the beach. All I could do was yell for help and hope that there are brave, kind, skilled strangers that can hear me and are willing to come out and risk their lives. And that's what happened. I was really unlucky to be bitten by the shark.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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And then some things happen that are just hard to believe. I'm yelling, help, help, just as loud as I can. You can actually hear it on that security camera. I could hear the emotion in my voice. I was not in terrible pain, but I knew I'm not going to make it. I was yelling for help and I couldn't see anybody coming. There was so much blood. Oh. I thought, I don't want to die like this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Finally, I looked to the right and saw a paddleboarder. And I yelled some more and I looked again and he was coming right at me and closer. I thought, okay, I've got a chance. It turns out that there was a couple on an anniversary trip. They lived three hours away in Sacramento, Amy and Paul. They'd gone paddleboarding and they heard me and they started coming my way.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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They were a couple hundred yards away. He is a police officer, a first responder. No, she is a nurse, a health care professional.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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That's exactly right. And they knew it was a shark. They could tell from the way I was yelling there was something was way wrong. They were mentally preparing. Paul was thinking, if it is a shark, I'm going to take the paddle and put it down his throat. He's a first responder. He does this for a living. He said, no question I was coming to save. And then is that that wasn't enough.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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From the beach, there was a group of school kids from Kansas who were out here for a weekend. It's called Blue Theology. They were here to learn about the ocean and how to take care of it. And there was a guy teaching them ocean appreciation. This guy is a surfer, a former lifeguard, a surf rescue guy. Whoa. And one of the dads of the Kansas kids saw the shark and yelled to Heath.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Hey, Heath, there's a guy out there. He needs you. So Heath, the surf rescue guy, he grabbed two surfboards, stacked one on top of the other and paddled out to me. Oh, my God. Jeez Louise. Can you imagine a health care professional, a first responder and a surf safety guy were the three people who heard me and they all came rushing to me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Paul, the police officer, got to me first and tried to get me on the board. I don't remember this. I was in and out of consciousness. He could not get me on his board. Then Keith put the second surfboard in the water for me. They tried to get me on that board. It didn't work. And finally, they said, look, you're going to have to help.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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And I remember I reached up with my arm and I helped pull myself up onto the board. The injury...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
was the shark's mouth bit me across my thighs and back across my lower abdomen because it's a u-shaped bite so it got me from the right side there's a big gouge just above my right knee and then across my left thigh and then there are teeth marks along my left hip and then a big scar across my belly looks like a c-section scar now but at the time it was filleted open my belly was just wide open
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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The bottom teeth puncture and hold. So across my backside are just a bunch of puncture marks, but the top teeth cut.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Ah. Whoa. Oh, my God. They did get me onto the surfboard and I was lying face down on the surfboard and Heath was yelling, grab my heel. So with my left arm, I grabbed his heel. He was lying face down on his board and he starts paddling and pulling me in. Amy, the nurse, realized... that I was going to fall off the board. My legs didn't work. My belly didn't work. I was unconscious.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
And she left the relative safety of her paddleboard and jumped into the water, got half on the back of the board, holding my legs on the board. And the other half of her is in the water, blood pouring off of me. And she held my legs on the board and kicked while Heath was paddling to get me to the shore. Meanwhile, Paul ever prepared the police officer. He had his phone with him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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From the time I started yelling until the time you can see the ambulance on the street, three minutes. Wow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Wow. The city really prioritizes public health, and so they have an ambulance stationed in the middle of the town. It happens to be six blocks from where I was. There's a hospital five miles away, but the taxpayers pay to keep the ambulance close. So I got to thank everybody. But there's another step in between that's equally amazing. They got me to the beach. And of course, I'm bleeding.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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My left arm is all ripped up, both thighs and my abdomen. I need tourniquets on the beach, vacationing independently. We're two ICU nurses and a doctor. Oh, my God. Doctor from Detroit. ICU nurse from Kansas. ICU nurse from North Carolina. What?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
It's exactly right. Noelle, we've chatted with her, one of the ICU nurses. She got halfway in the water and sort of accepted the surfboard. There were six or eight people around me as they rolled me over and she saw my leg and she thought, well, he's going to lose the leg. She looked at my face and saw that I was in my 60s and my face, she said, was gray. She thought I would not make it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Yeah, yeah. And she thought, even if you do make it, you're going to be badly brain damaged from lack of blood to the brain. And then she saw my wedding ring and she thought, oh, how terrible for the spouse. Yeah. Then they got me into the ambulance and drove the 28 miles to Natividad Trauma Center.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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I was on the operating room table with the surgeons ready to go, scalpels in hand, 59 minutes after the shark bite. Wow. Wow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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I'm not sure. I do know the anesthesiologist the day after the surgery. He stopped by my room and he said, when I heard that the incoming trauma victim was a 62 year old shark bite victim with massive blood loss, he said, I didn't have a lot of hope for you. But your heart and lungs responded like you were in your 20s. And that's why you survived. I had been doing all this outdoor group exercise.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Yes. That really helped. Of course, if I hadn't been exercising, I wouldn't have been out there swimming. It's six half dozen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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I was in the hospital for three weeks. I was in the ICU for only one day because the wounds, although they were really bad, They were quite repairable. The surgery took about two hours. They had to just stop the bleeding in my legs.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
They looked all through my belly and amazingly, it did not break through this sheath called the peritoneum that separates all the muscle and fat and whatnot from the internal organs. So no internal organ damage. There was a chip off of my left femur, but no broken bones. And And amazingly, it missed the big arteries to the leg.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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According to the surgeon, the big artery that runs down the front of your body into the leg, the iliac artery, he said it missed the artery by a millimeter.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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It's amazing. The iliac, this artery is literally touching the big nerve that goes down into the leg that you use for your quads. That nerve was completely destroyed. Unusable. My right quads don't work. But the blood vessel that's touching it untouched. And the surgeon said, look, if it had been a millimeter over, you would have bled to death before you got to the beach.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Oh, my God. The surgeon who's been a trauma emergency room surgeon for a dozen years said, I'm the luckiest patient he's ever seen. Fuck. Wow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Yeah, I swim at the swimming pool at the community college.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Let me give you a sense of how big that shark is. They figured this out by looking at the inter-tooth distance, and the expert says that the shark was 15 feet. I googled that, and it says that's probably 2,000 pounds. No way I'm getting back in that water.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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I was afraid of that. It's part of why I don't go back in the water. Every now and then I close my eyes, I do see a shark.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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You're welcome. I do also want to say thank you to the blood donors. In that two-hour operation, I took 28 units of blood, which in round numbers is twice what a body holds.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Good attitude. It's been two years and I'm mostly better. I still have some nerve damage in my legs, so they're sort of prickly and I'm on medicine. My right quads don't work at this point. I had some surgery. Maybe it can come back. Don't know. Fingers crossed. In the meantime, I can walk pretty well and I can even ride a bicycle. So I'm doing great. Okay. Wonderful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Now, of course, I live in Monterey, California.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Yes, it is. Garden spot of the world. Spectacular.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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This was end of June in 2022. Oh, recent. It was at the southern end of the Monterey Bay. It was a sunny, clear, beautiful day. No wind, no waves, no chop. So I thought I'll go for an ocean swim. I swim in the ocean for a dozen years and I had retired a year and a half earlier. And that year and a half of retirement, I had organized my life around outdoor group activities.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
I was running with the Wednesday night laundry runners and I was riding with the velo club and I was swimming with the kelp crawlers. Well, this incredibly gorgeous day, I had to swim. I went to the beach and unfortunately nobody else was there. You'd usually get half a dozen people on a Wednesday morning, but this time I was the only one there. Oh. So I got on my wetsuit and my hat and booties.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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It's very cold. The water's 55 degrees. Got in the water and the beach is about 100 yards wide. And as I started to swim out from the beach, there's a jetty on the left. Sticks out about 75 yards. And I went out around that jetty and I went to the left and hugged the coast around Lover's Point. Now, before you get too many ideas about Lover's Point, its full name is Lovers of Jesus Point. Oh, wow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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I went about three quarters of a mile, hugging the coast the whole way. And then I turned around, came swimming back. No waves, no chop. When it's sunny, you see all the kelp and the fish and all the seagrasses flowing back and forth and the sea stars. It's just gorgeous. Do you see seals out there ever? You do. Seals sometimes like to swim under you, which can be a little disconcerting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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You're swimming along and there's this gray shape that all of a sudden appears under you. Yeah, because don't they hunt within the sea kelp? They absolutely do. And I came back around the point and I'm heading towards the jetty. When all of a sudden, wham, just out of nowhere, I just got tossed up in the air and turned and I didn't know what was going on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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And then I was plunged back into the water. I look and I am arm's length from the enormous head of a great white shark. No, no, no, no. The water there is about 20 feet deep and the shark came from below and grabbed me and fully breached up into the air. You've seen photos of a great white with a seal in its mouth. Yes. But it's breaches out of the water. That was me. No. Oh, my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
I didn't know all that at the time. There were people on the beach who saw it. So some of this is reconstructed later. But pull it back down under the water. And then it spit me out. What? Do you think because of the wetsuit? Turns out great whites will oftentimes bite the prey and then back off and let it bleed to death.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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You can imagine they eat seals and sea lions and elephant seals. These things have teeth and they have claws and they can fight back. So oftentimes they'll let the thing bleed. All I know for sure, I was underwater, maybe, I don't know, five feet, I'm guessing. I could see light. So I knew which way it was up.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
Fortunately, I had air in my lungs, probably because it lifted me into the air and I got a good breath. I don't know. And then it was right there, arm's length away from me, the left side of its head. And I can't tell you how enormous this thing is. I'm looking at that black eye and you can see this white and gray body and its teeth from its lower jaw.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
sticking up, I could see it's bobbing its head back and forth as if it was deciding whether to bite me again or not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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I instantly knew I'm a docent at the Monterey Bay Aquarium. I show people hammerheads and seven gill sharks and all these things. I knew it was a great white.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
No, I was calm. I knew I was very badly hurt. I didn't know exactly where it had bit me yet. But looking at it, I was thinking, hey, I taste of neoprene. I'm wearing a white hat and goggles. I'm not a seal. I am not your food. Please don't bite me again. And at that point, I thought, I'm going to punch it. Ah, yeah, yeah. My fist didn't quite reach its lower jaw.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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But when I stuck out my fingers, I jabbed and hit its lower jaw.
Danny Jones Podcast
#281 - Biblical Evidence Jesus Christ was TRIPPING BALLS on the Cross | Ammon Hillman
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#281 - Biblical Evidence Jesus Christ was TRIPPING BALLS on the Cross | Ammon Hillman
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#281 - Biblical Evidence Jesus Christ was TRIPPING BALLS on the Cross | Ammon Hillman
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#281 - Biblical Evidence Jesus Christ was TRIPPING BALLS on the Cross | Ammon Hillman
Fast, yeah, and all that kind of stuff, yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#281 - Biblical Evidence Jesus Christ was TRIPPING BALLS on the Cross | Ammon Hillman
Hmm.
Danny Jones Podcast
#281 - Biblical Evidence Jesus Christ was TRIPPING BALLS on the Cross | Ammon Hillman
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#281 - Biblical Evidence Jesus Christ was TRIPPING BALLS on the Cross | Ammon Hillman
I'll be quiet.
Danny Jones Podcast
#281 - Biblical Evidence Jesus Christ was TRIPPING BALLS on the Cross | Ammon Hillman
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And I went to bed at night feeling very confident. I'm going to have the dream tonight, and it's going to point me in the right direction. And I did. I had a dream. And in this dream, I was visiting some friends who lived across town in Berkeley and married student housing, came up to their apartment, knocked on the door. Nobody was home.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
In the dream, I found a key, let myself into their apartment, walked into the living room, and there in the middle of the living room floor was a magazine. I picked it up. It was called I, E-Y-E, which, in fact, there was such a magazine back then. Then I woke up with this feeling of exhilaration, like I have the answer now, but I had no idea what it meant, none at all.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
So I did something very unusual. I've never done it since. Never done it before either. I put on my tennis shoes, ran five miles across town, came to this apartment, knocked on the door just as I had in the dream. Nobody was home as I had dreamt. And I happened to know where they kept a key hidden. I took the key.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
let myself in, walked into the living room, and there in the middle of the living room floor, as I had dreamt, was a magazine. It was called Focus, which for any of your viewers who are familiar with the San Francisco Bay Area, that's the magazine of listener-sponsored radio and television, KQED. And as I'm paging through,
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
this magazine had dawned on me for the first time in my life, I could pursue my interests by getting involved in the nonprofit section of the media, which was a complete change because at that moment, I didn't own a radio or a TV. In fact, I had an attitude about them. I felt that Electronic communication was phony baloney that the only authentic human communication was face-to-face.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And I changed my mind at that moment. And went to KPFA Radio in Berkeley, where I live, which was a nonprofit radio from the Pacifica Network. And I said, I'd like to volunteer. And they said, even though at that point I had a master's degree, they said, sure, sit at this desk. And when you hear the buzzer from people trying to get into the front door, push this button and let them in.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And I gladly did it. And within three weeks, I had learned how to produce a radio program. I had produced one. The program director liked it, and he said, we have a regular slot, a program called The Mind's Ear, every Tuesday and Thursday at noon. Would you like to host it? So within just a few weeks of my dream,
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I'm sitting at a table like this with 10,000 people listening in on the conversation and world-class experts from everywhere who are on book tours coming through the San Francisco Bay Area. And all the subjects that interested me the most showed up.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I'm grateful for the experience I had. I found the inmates there to be very interesting people, human beings, just like you and me. What I found was unfortunate is that the prison staff didn't see it that way. They thought of them as somehow non-human. They would use phrases like they're a different kind of cat. which I thought was sad.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And that gave me the confidence to go back to the University of California and take advantage of a very obscure rule they had, which is if you are a graduate student in good standing and you want to do a doctoral dissertation in a topic, where no department will sponsor you, but you can find three faculty members from different departments who are willing to sponsor you.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
You can create your own unique, individual, interdisciplinary doctoral major. So I did that in parapsychology.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
parapsychology yes okay for people listening for normies out there what is parapsychology parapsychology is the scientific study of extrasensory perception telepathy clairvoyance precognition and mind over matter or psychokinesis or telekinesis woo woo crazy out there stuff it well it is crazy out there but this we're talking about applying the scientific method
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Oh, very much.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Back in 1975, I published my first book, The Roots of Consciousness, and Jack Sarfati wrote an appendix that was published in that book on physics and consciousness.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
He said that consciousness was related and psychic functioning was related to what's known as the EPR effect in physics, the Einstein-Rosen-Podolsky hypothesis, which is now known as quantum entanglement.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I'm very familiar with his story. I have no reason to disbelieve him. On the other hand, I don't know what to make of it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yes, he said it was a... an intelligent robot.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Aboard a UFO that told him that it's from the future. Right. And that he is going to meet certain people and that he has been destined to help provide a scientific understanding of our relationship with alien beings.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
But at any point after having had, it wasn't just a mystical experience, it was what we would now call a shared death experience.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, I also think we have to appreciate that when you're dealing with paranormal phenomena, there's a trickster element involved. So many authentic paranormal experiences end up misleading people.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, for example, now Jack Sarfati believes himself to have solved the mystery of UFO propulsions.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah. All of that. I have no idea whether his hypotheses are correct or not, but he's convinced that they are. But I think a true scientist would say it's just a hypothesis at this point until it's been demonstrated experimentally.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Really? Yeah, I invited him to come and present at Berkeley in 1972. Wow. At a big conference I sponsored called the Frontiers of Consciousness. That's where he gave the very first public report of his work with Uri Geller. And then I invited Uri Geller to come and present and demonstrate his abilities at Berkeley. I think that would have been in early 1973.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
It was Geller's first major public appearance in the United States. Can he really bend spoons? Yes.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
25 years old. So what happened? My great-uncle Harry, who was thousands of miles away in Wisconsin, died. He died, it would have been 9.30 in the morning, his time, 7.30 my time. I was in bed, asleep, when he came to me in a dream. It was the most powerful dream I've ever had in my life. And I awakened from that dream. I was just sobbing tears of joy and singing at the same time. Singing?
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
You know, many of these things were witnessed by other scientists, but I myself have personally witnessed maybe three or four instances of that sort of thing. How does that work? Good question. How would you guess? Well, I suppose you'd have to say reality is much more malleable than we normally take it to be.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
We live in a world that we think operates according to the principles of Newtonian physics. And that simply applies maybe 99.9% of the time, but not 100%. Yeah, there was...
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I am familiar with it. And to my knowledge, other people have attempted to replicate his findings and have not been so fortunate.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
It often happens in the field of the paranormal. And so what we don't know is to what extent was he influencing the experiment using whatever native psychokinetic abilities he might have had.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
About seven years. I got it in 1980.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, it was independent study. So I had a lot of leeway. I was very self-motivated. My first book, The Roots of Consciousness, was published in 75, five years before I I got the degree. So I considered that book to be sort of the equivalent of a qualifying exam to demonstrate to my academic committee that I knew the field.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
It was like an overview of the whole field, that I understood the territory.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, probably because of my history as a pot smoking psychedelic. All these guys were pot smoking hippies in the 60s, weren't they? That was ubiquitous. I don't know. If you had a government contract with the CIA, probably not.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
That's my impression. I've never seen them use any substances of that sort.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yes.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
That's definitely true. What do you make of that? Many of the people in the original remote viewing work, Hal Puthoff, Ingo Swan, Ed May, were Scientologists. Really? Yeah. What do you make of that? I think that L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, was onto something. And he was able to communicate it to these people.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And I don't endorse or support Scientology, but I think there's something there worth taking a close look at.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, before it was Scientology, it was known as Dianetics.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I had a mentor in my early years in the parapsychology program, Arthur M. Young, who was the founder of what was known at that time as the Institute for the Study of Consciousness. He was also the inventor of the Bell Helicopter. the first commercially licensed helicopter. And he and his wife, Ruth, went through Dianetics and became Dianetic Clears. Really?
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Singing. What song were you singing? I was singing from my Jewish religious tradition, one of the most sacred songs. Which one? It's called Avinu Malkenu. It's only sung at what we call the high holy holidays.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah, before Scientology even was founded as a separate organization. And they got a lot out of it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I think it's probably true of most cults. They all have something of positive value to attract people. But then you get the organizational politics and things go bad. Yeah, yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Bo Peep, I think they were known as.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah. Mm-hmm. That was a real setback for the field of remote viewing as well, because a prominent remote viewer was associated with promoting the idea that the Halbop Comet was being accompanied by a mysterious spacecraft. And so this cult built on that belief, which was not true. There wasn't a spacecraft accompanying the comet, but there had been.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Some photograph, I think, published that might have led one to draw that conclusion. But in any case, the Heaven's Gate people took that to be true. And then the suicide resulted. And so people tended to blame the remote viewers involved who got on, as I recall, the Art Bell Show and proclaimed, you know, that there was a UFO coming along with the comet.
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#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I'm trying to remember which one that is. How does it go? Avinu Malkenu. Oh, you woke up singing that. I woke up singing Avinu Malkenu. And crying. And crying. Tears of joy. I was so touched. And I wrote home. I said, how's Uncle Harry? I had a dream about him.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, there's a lot of misinformation.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
That's where, you know, a focus on evidence and empiricism and the scientific method can be helpful.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
It'd be hard to compete with the Catholic Church.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, they have these cathedrals.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And the U.S.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yes.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, of course, we have the witchcraft burnings, amongst other things, the Inquisition. But at the same time, the Catholic Church has a very rigorous process for evaluating claims of miracles performed by saints and so on, so that – There are some very interesting cases of human levitation, for example, that have been very carefully investigated by the Catholic Church.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yes, indeed.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
My mother phoned me as soon as she got my letter and said, how did you know Uncle Harry had just died, literally, at the moment of my dream? That's why... It would fit the definition of what is now known as a shared death experience. It's like he took me along with him partway for the ride.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Now, Hal Puthoff was a researcher, not a remote viewer.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
He was a physicist. Ingo Swann, who was considered by many people the father of remote viewing, he was psychic. He was an experiencer, and he was also a Scientologist.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, I don't know when he started or when he separated. If he did, I'm not sure the exact details. But he was a Scientologist, and he was instrumental in bringing Ed May into the program. And Ed May was a Scientologist, so I assume that... Also, Pat Price was a Scientologist, another one of the top remote viewers. So there's definitely a strong connection there, but...
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
You know, it would be interesting.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
no i didn't write who's the guy that you wrote the book about called the pk man the pk man is a fellow named ted owens ted owens okay he's he's the guy who did the bell helicopter no no that was arthur m young arthur m young when hale put off left the uh remote viewing program at sri he went to down to texas to work at a think tank there
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And at that point, I said, I need to switch my career direction away from the negative side of human deviance to look at the positive side.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And where he began doing other work, like looking at UFO propulsion and things of that sort. The program was taken over by Ed May, who was a physicist, brought into the program, and also a Scientologist, brought into the program by Ingo Swann. Okay, okay.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
The PK man is a fellow named Ted Owens. I met him in 1976. I'd been aware of his reputation before then. But there is a remote viewing connection because I met him at SRI. Oh, wow. International. Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ were running the program there. Russell, incidentally, is not a Scientologist.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Russell Targ. I recently published a book of 15 interviews with Russell Tark. Is he still alive? Yes, he just turned 90 last April. Wow. What's he doing nowadays? Well, at the age of 90, he's slowed down a bit. But he still does interviews. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, you could probably get him.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
He's a very good friend of mine. I would call him a dear friend.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
No, I used to live in the Bay Area. So Russell and I would get together practically every week. But now I've moved far away.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
The PK Man, Ted Owens. I was invited to SRI to experience remote viewing for myself. It was February 1976. Right, right. And I did. I did what I regard as a successful remote viewing experience then. And...
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
But while I was there, the people in the office were all abuzz about this character, Ted Owens, because he had been writing to them for some time saying they had achieved already a lot of notoriety, which they didn't want, because of their work with Uri Geller, the Israeli psychic. And Ted Owens was writing to them saying, ìWhy are you wasting your time with this Israeli psychic?
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Because Iím the worldís greatest psychic. You should be testing me.î And this went on for some time.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
They kept ignoring him. And then shortly before my visit, he wrote to them and he said, I'm going to prove to you that I am the world's greatest psychic. And he said, right now there's a terrible drought going on in California, which there was. It was so bad that they piped water where I lived across the Richmond Bridge into Marin County.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And people would say, if it's yellow, let it mellow. Don't flush your toilet. If it's brown, flush it down. So very serious drought. He said, I'm going to end that drought. And you will know that I ended it. It will happen in a matter of days. And there will be every crazy kind of weather, snow, sleet, hail, and UFO sightings, which is my trademark. And...
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I mean, yes, we biological creatures are frightened by the thought of death, but it was the most beautiful experience. How so? Well, it's hard to put into language, into words, to tell you what joy I felt, that I would be just overwhelmed with this sense of peace and bliss and love. Hmm.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
your local newspaper will publish an article saying that the drought is ended. And at the time, the newspaper stories were saying, no end in sight to the drought. So this happened like three days later after Owens had sent them the message. So Russell Targ sent him back a message saying, that was a very good prediction. Congratulations.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And Ted Owens wrote back to them and said, hell no, it was not a prediction. I caused it. And that's when they said, we can't have this guy here. We're working with the CIA. We're getting government funding. We need to keep a very low profile. But Jeffrey, you're a young, promising graduate student.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Would you mind taking this file that we had, a large file of communication from him, off of our hands? Maybe you could follow up on it. Who said this? Al Puthoff and Russell Targ.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah. which I did. I took their file, and I met Ted Owens a few months later in England. I was attending a parapsychology conference in England, and it turned out that word got out about the drought in California. In fact, they published a little news story about it in a magazine popular at that time called Psychic Magazine. People in England were then experiencing a drought, that summer.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And they heard about it and they invited Ted Owens to come to England to end the drought there. And when I arrived in England, I had friends who said to me, if you want to get your picture in the front page of the London Times, all you have to do is walk down Piccadilly Circus carrying an umbrella.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
People will think you're crazy and they'll take your picture and you'll be in the front page of the newspaper. And so, The day that Ted Owens arrived in England, it began raining and pouring so bad it shut down what they called the tube, the subway system in London. And a few days later, the newspapers said drought is over. Just like that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And so I met him at this conference and we became friends. And that's when I initiated a research project with him that ran until his death in 1987. And I collected, I think, about 160 examples of this sort of demonstration that he did over and over and over again to try to prove to people that he had these abilities and that they were real and that they could be very useful.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah. It goes back to the 1980s.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, when I went through the files, one of the things that really caught my eye was the fact that he said he could make UFOs manifest. And there were eyewitness testimonies from police officers who said, yes, Ted Owens said he would cause a UFO, and I saw it. And so I said, could you do that for me? And he said, yes, he would.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
He would create a demonstration in the San Francisco Bay Area, where I lived. It would be within, he said, I'll make three UFO sightings within 100 miles of San Francisco. And you will know that I caused them. And as the process evolved, I was in touch with him a lot. One day, I'm on the phone with him, and he said, I feel it coming really strong.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
He said, this is going to be one of the biggest sightings ever. He said, it will be seen by hundreds of people. It will be photographed, and the photograph will be published on the front page of one of your local newspapers. And that happened four days later. Exactly.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, if I recall correctly, it was the Berkeley Gazette.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
It was the newspaper. I think the photo was December 12th, 1976. I hope I have that correct.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I don't know how you're going to search it. I, I can send it to you if you want.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah. If you can find it, uh, yeah, that would be good. It was on the front page and here's what happened. It's, it's a more complex story, but, uh, the art department at Sonoma state college, as it was then known, it's now Sonoma state university, um,
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
sponsored an exhibit of a very unusual art form where there was a pilot named Stephen Pileski who had a small airplane with smoke trailing out the back, and he's making designs in the sky, and this is his art form. And so the whole art department is out there with their cameras, and a UFO shows up right in his airspace. So it's seen from the air and from the ground. It's photographed.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
and videotaped. The photograph was published on the front page of the Berkeley Gazette, as Ted Owens had told me, and the videotape was broadcast on the Channel 9 Evening News, KQED, in San Francisco.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
It was lozenge-shaped. It was about, I don't know, 30 feet. Like a Tic Tac? Yeah, similar. What color? I don't recall that a color was specified offhand. But I have to say, there you go. That was a tough one. All right, we got it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
You see, what I'm pretty sure you're looking at is the airplane itself.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
That's the guy with the smoke. When I have reviewed the videotapes, I have reviewed the photograph, it's not at all clear to me that a UFO actually showed up. But I've also interviewed the witnesses who insist that it did. So... And it's a little more peculiar in terms of understanding what actually happened. But Ted Owens, there it is right on the fly page.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
No, but what I did attempt to do, because I had very little time, I said, can you do this for me? And he said, yes, starting now for the next 90 days, I'm going to do this. So I thought I'd try to create a control group.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Because I had no idea how many UFOs would appear online. And any 90-day window within 100 miles of San Francisco. So I took San Diego, which is a city of similar size on the West Coast and similar social environment. And I had friends who were students in the physics department there. And what I did to test, I sent letters out to all the law enforcement agencies within 100 miles of San Francisco.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I had the San Diego people send letters out to all the law enforcement agencies within 100 miles of San Diego as a way of comparing. We actually didn't get three sightings. As Owens had promised, we got two in the San Francisco Bay Area. In San Diego, they got none. So, you know, it was a semblance of trying to impose as many scientific controls as possible.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
But when you're dealing with a character like Ted Owens, it's usually not possible because he – liked to see himself, he called it the Owens effect. He hoped people would use that like the Geller effect for bending spoons. But his idea was that just as you can bend a spoon with your mind, you can affect large-scale systems.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
So he tended to focus in on droughts, on UFOs, on power blackouts, hurricanes, tornadoes, heat and cold spells, large-scale systems. They're very difficult to evaluate statistically. It's not like a clean laboratory experiment.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, he did repeat the demonstrations once. I have documents for 160-some of them, and I would say offhand that roughly two-thirds of them worked out the way he said they would, and very unusual things happened that probably had, just my intuitive sense, maybe a probability of happening of 1% or less.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
No.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Sure. Those are interesting experiments, but they're different than the things that he claimed to be able to do. I convened a meeting. of researchers, J. Allen Hynek showed up, and many other researchers to try and get the scientific community behind doing some serious testing with Ted Owens. J. Allen Hynek, who was very familiar with the case, said, I wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And the reason is because the phenomenon he produces come out of the unconscious and they're unpredictable and not into it. So I wasn't, you know, I was a graduate student at the time doing this kind of research. One of my professors at Berkeley, a parapsychologist, resigned from my committee because I was engaged in looking at UFO phenomenon. Really? Yeah. Uh-huh. Why would they do that?
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Because they believed that UFOs and parapsychology should not mix. And there are still parapsychologists today who hold to that belief that, you know, it's like we've got one paranormal science and we shouldn't mix it with another one because it would be too difficult or too controversial.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I think the evidence is overwhelming that they've been around for a long time, probably going back to ancient times. I think, as you expressed earlier, the hypothesis that they could be time travelers from the future. I think that's a very viable hypothesis. Yeah, it's my favorite one. But we don't know. It's a mystery. And you referred to Jeffrey Kripal earlier.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
It turns out I interviewed him last week. Oh, no way. Yeah. And as he points out, he said, from his point of view, the purpose of these phenomena is simply to push us outside of our belief system. Whatever our belief system is, it's going to provoke us to look at things from a different angle.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Very similar.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah. It often happens at a deathbed when grieving relatives are around a loved one who is dying, that they'll go along at least partway and experience the transition. What do you think that is? Well, I think it's like going home. I'm pretty convinced that we are much larger than our biological selves, that we also have a spiritual component to our psyche.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I don't know what to say about trust for the government. I tend to be more trusting. You do? I do, personally. You went to the Vietnam War. Yeah, that's right. I went through the Vietnam episode where people said, don't trust anyone over 30. That was the way we thought back in those years. So I have come to appreciate that as bad as the government might be, what are the alternatives?
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
For example, let's talk about the media. Mainstream media has a very bad reputation. Nobody trusts it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I trust it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
As compared to the alternative, yes. I have a cousin who was a reporter for the New York Times, Steve Roberts. It was Cokie Roberts' husband. And he put it this way. He said, let's take the Drudge Report as an example of the alternative media. The judge report is very proud of the fact that their articles are 85% accurate. He said that would never be acceptable in the New York Times, 85%.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
That's just sloppy journalism. So as much as we can question the mainstream sources, whether it's the government or the scientists or the media, The alternatives are even less reliable.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, I can well imagine that an article of that sort has all sorts of geopolitical implications. It could lead to war. Right. For all I know, there might be. Sure.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, I agree with you that it's a good idea to have conversations about any topic.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
But that's not the same as subscribing to the viewpoints of people with whom you're having those conversations. I certainly get the impression from you that you're willing to talk to all kinds of people, but you don't necessarily buy what they're telling you. Right. Totally. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And the spiritual component, I don't know that it's infinite or eternal, but it's close. Much closer to that. It's much, much larger than just being a homo sapien here on planet Earth.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I think it's healthy that these conversations are happening. I know that. In my field of parapsychology, we're pretty much excluded from the mainstream of government, education, science, almost all mainstream institutions. And it's a shame because there's 150 years of solid empirical evidence.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, I think there's good reason to think so. And every time that I have a chance, I ask people who have been involved in the government what they think, and I hear different things.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Ed May, who we referred to earlier, I asked him this question recently, and he said he doesn't think so because there are so many more effective ways these days of gathering intelligence that we don't need remote viewing.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
On the other hand, it was very useful in circumstances where none of the conventional methods were available. And I personally have to think that if the government isn't doing it, It would be a mistake on their part.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And I also happen to think that given the social controversy and the fact that if they do it publicly, there's going to be all sorts of hoo-ha about, you know, this is the work of the devil and so forth, that it's better for them to keep it secret.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yes. When I went to SRI International in February of 1976, I did a classic remote viewing protocol. It was one in which they had the outbound experimenter who happened to be a friend of mine, Elizabeth Rauscher, who was a physicist.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And she went off to a location at random. They had a list of 100 or more target locations. And they get into the car. They roll some dice. They choose at random an envelope from the list of targets. And they go to that location. And so I'm sitting inside of a... Faraday cage, which is an electrically shielded room in the radio physics laboratory at Stanford Research Institute.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
That's right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And so no radio signals can get in and out. If I had a walkie talkie, they couldn't have signaled me to let me know where they were. It's also an advantage because it's quiet in the sense you don't have any electronic noise. Right. That might otherwise interfere with your neural functioning. So I'm in the room and what I imagined that I saw looked to me and I drew a picture.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I thought it was a rack of clothing at Macy's department store. And that's what we would call in the field of remote viewing analytical overlay. I had an image. I drew a picture of it, but then I misinterpreted it. The actual target happened to be a highway overpass. Over Highway 101 in Palo Alto.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
But if you took my picture of all these hangers coming off of a clothing rack and hold it up next to a picture of the highway overpass that had a cyclone fence surrounding it. They were identical. My drawing matched the target perfectly, even though I totally misinterpreted it. And this is often how remote viewing works.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
So we tell people who are doing remote viewing, don't try and interpret what you see. Just report the raw image.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
sensations to try to get as directly to the impression as possible without any interpretation because the mind is always trying to interpret and can easily misinterpret things they were nowhere near Macy's department store yeah do you think that this is an ability that everybody has or that it's only only manifest in certain people
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I would say, by virtue of being a sentient human being, everybody has it. I would say this. Earlier you were talking about why you disbelieve that psychic functioning could be real. You had a skeptical attitude. But the truth of the matter is, from the materialist perspective, we shouldn't be conscious at all.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Just looking at the human body as a machine. There's no reason for consciousness. Conscious or no explanation. How do you take dead matter, billiard ball like particles bouncing around and get conscious experience?
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
It's called the hard problem of consciousness and philosophy and it's never been resolved. But it's an artificial problem. The problem only exists if you take a materialist perspective and say that the foundation of all that is real are atoms and molecules and protons and electrons bouncing around each other like inert billiard balls.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
You could also take the perspective that other philosophers have taken called idealism, that actually reality is based on consciousness rather than matter.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, I agonized over it. Like, how do I change my career? How do I find a path that will allow me to devote my lifetime to looking at what I call the positive side of human deviance, which is mysticism, creativity, psychic functioning, and intuition? And, you know, I was at one of the world's great universities, but they didn't have programs along those lines.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, in some ways, people think of him as a materialist. You could almost say that the satellites that we have, all the electronic communication, the Internet, is part of the newest sphere.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
There was a researcher named Rupert Sheldrake who developed that idea. He called it the morphogenetic field that connects all conscious beings. And a biologist named Lyle Watson wrote a book called The Hundredth Monkey, which they talked about the monkeys on some Pacific islands learned how to take rocks and crack open coconuts. And as soon as they discovered that this could be done,
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Another island with similar monkeys, 100 miles away, began doing it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
As if the skill somehow was communicated telepathically.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
That's right. Well, you can, if you think about it, and I'll give Jack Sarfati some credit for thinking about quantum entanglement as a way. Because quantum entanglement does suggest that everything is interconnected. We're not separate from the most distant galaxies. Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, there are all these different theories. The many-worlds theory, the block universe theory are all separate theories. I think, relatively unrelated methods to account for what you could call the great mystery.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, you know, I'm not a physicist, but the block universe came out of Einstein's theory of relativity. And the idea of quantum entanglement comes out of quantum theory.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Really good theories. They both make excellent predictions, uncannily excellent predictions, but they're incompatible with each other. And that's the big mystery of physics right now. How do you reconcile relativity with quantum physics? So far, nobody's been able to do it.
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#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
44 years something like that and uh on earth that would end up being like 40 million years or something 13.8 billion 13.8 billion years that across in fact probably more than that because that was the original hubble dynamic diameter of the universe but it's expanded since then uh but from the point of view of a traveler on on a spaceship at light speed at light speed to take no time at all
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
The Milky Way is approximately 120 light years across. 120 light years? Okay, so that would be 120 years. from the point of view of somebody on earth or a hundred, I'm sorry. It's a hundred thousand.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
No, the Milky Way is 100,000 light years, so halfway across the 50,000... 100,000, okay, right. 50,000 years from the point of view of somebody on Earth watching it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
But from the point of view of someone on... A spaceship traveling at the speed of light, which is an impossibility, incidentally.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Photons can travel at the speed of light because they have no mass.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
So if there were a photon, it would take no time.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
So from the point of view of a photon, time and space don't exist.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah. You see, I'm a child of the 1960s. Hmm. My undergraduate work went from 1965 to 69. I was exposed to the human potential movement. I was exposed to psychedelics. You were in college during the Vietnam War? Yes. The University of Wisconsin. Oh, wow. I did a senior honors thesis on the psychology of religious mysticism. So I was very aware of the literature at that point.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah, if we get faster than light travel, perhaps. Right, right. That's the case. But, you know, there's the twin paradox. You could have two twins, and one travels at the speed of light some distance, comes back, isn't any older. The other twin could be decades older.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Would be nice, yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
There have been seminars on it held at the University of California at San Diego on what they call retrocausality.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
In other words, a particle coming from the present could influence something in the past.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And so it's a question that physicists are just starting to look at and are taking seriously. Hmm.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And maybe that's what's going on.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I don't know if it's a majority or not, but there's many, many reports like that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I think it's a very viable hypothesis that the inhabitants of UFOs are future humans traveling backward in time. I don't know of any reason to rule that out.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah, it might explain a lot of other mysteries.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Even, I mean, the biggest mystery might be the existence of the human race to begin with.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, consider, you know, 300,000 years ago or so, there were our so-called primate ancestors. They didn't, from what we can tell, have large brains. They didn't have speech the way we know it. They certainly didn't have our various scientific mechanical skills. We don't know anything. But something changed. Something changed very dramatically.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
We are nothing like gorillas or chimpanzees, our closest biological relatives.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
No, there was a fellow named Zechariah Sitchin, I think, who first proposed it. He began looking at the cuneiform writing of the ancient Assyrian people and their descriptions of the gods. And as he interpreted...
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
the cuneiform literature it looked to him as if these gods were actually coming down from some other location and performing genetic experiments on the local population to mix their genes it's so now that that hypothesis is is widely disseminated across this is the anunnaki theory yeah where they came down and created a slave species to terraform the earth that's right
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I had just chosen a career path that was different. Right. It's one thing to have an avocational interest in the paranormal and mysticism. It's another thing and a much more difficult thing to pursue it professionally.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
As far as I know, it's viable. I can't say that we have strong evidence for it, but it does resolve this mystery of how did humans, modern humans, evolve out of primates?
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
That also makes sense. There's every reason to think, not just apes, but many other biological creatures like to alter their consciousness in different ways.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Oh, yeah. The Bigelow essay.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
What was that about? It was to write a 25,000-word essay on the best evidence for survival of human consciousness after permanent bodily death.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, shortly before he announced the contest, his wife died. And he also had a son and I think a grandson who had died from suicide. Oh, no. Yeah. And I think, to be fair, he had had an interest in the afterlife going back a long time. He had sort of pushed it off to the side. But at that point in time, his wife had died. His grandson and son had taken their lives.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And his aerospace business had become basically, how to put it, the governor of the state of Nevada during the Cold War. pandemic had declared his aerospace business to be a non-essential business so that the employees were, I mean, he could have kept them on the payroll, I suppose, but they couldn't come into the factory. So he let all the employees go. They were swept up by other companies.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And in effect, he no longer had a business.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah. I mean, I think it's a very creative solution.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Lovely person and one of the most articulate human beings I'd ever known.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, you had to fill out an application in order to be qualified to write the essay. He wanted serious people who really understood the field. And as I recall, there were maybe 1,200 people who filled out application forms. Some 200 of them were accepted to write essays. Wow.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I filled out. Well, here's the interesting thing. I first heard about the competition from Leslie Keen.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, she was a stringer for the New York Times. She'd written articles about UFOs. She had written a book about survival. And she said to me, Well, survival. Yes. She has a book called, I think it's titled Surviving Death. Oh, wow. Or something of that sort. So she was known. In fact, now that I think about it, I heard about the essay and I reached out to her. I said, Leslie, you should enter.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
You just published a book on the topic. And she got back to me and said, no, I'm one of the judges. And then she said, you've got to listen to this podcast with George Knapp. because Bigelow was asked who should enter the competition, and he said people like Jeffrey Mishlove should enter. Who said? George Knapp said this?
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#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
1972.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Robert Bigelow said people who have been studying this material all their lives.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, I told you about my experience with Uncle Harry. That was sort of the beginning of my essay because it changed my life. And what I found in going through the literature is that people who have had profound experiences Shared death, near-death experiences often experience profound life changes. Example would be Bishop Pike. I don't know if you remember Bishop Pike. This is in the 1960s.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
He was the Episcopalian Bishop of California.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yes. And his son died. His son died of suicide. And he was... terribly distraught, and he was in England at the time, meeting with the Episcopalians in England, the English Catholics, and they had a very close relationship with the spiritualists in England. And so his friends said to him, why don't you go and see this particular medium, the name is on the tip of my tongue,
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Worked together, but- Gosh, it's been so long.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And he went, he visited a spiritualist medium who began bringing him very detailed communications from his deceased son, along with the deceased son's godfather, a very well-known theologian. Again, the name is on the tip of my tongue. And so convinced him that these are authentic communications, he resigned as Bishop of California so that he could pursue this further.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
That's profound. A person whose life was changed dramatically, Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, a very well-known medical doctor who began writing about the stages of death and dying. She got into that field. Well, she had this longstanding interest, and there was a time in her life when it felt like it's not going anywhere for her. She was doing workshops and seminars.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
You know, I did those early programs in the San Francisco Bay Area. Right. And Terrence was there, and so many of the people I interviewed were there. I used to think of the Bay Area as the capital of the consciousness movement. What year did you interview him? Oh, it would have been in the 1980s. What? Okay, in the 80s. 80s, maybe 90s.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
She just didn't feel like they were connecting, and she was ready to give it all up. She was about to tell her supervisor at the University of Chicago that she's going to change her career direction.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And as she's sitting there about to speak to him, they're standing in front of an elevator, as I recall, when a woman steps out of the elevator and says to her, may I walk with you to your office down the hall? So instead of resigning, she walks with the woman toward her office, and she recognizes, wait, this woman is Mrs. Schwartz.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Mrs. Schwartz is the woman who first informed her about the near-death experience. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, simultaneous to Raymond Moody, was writing about the near-death experience. But Mrs. Schwartz had died 10 months earlier. And here she is walking down the hall with Elizabeth Kubler-Ross. They get to the office and Mrs. Schwartz pleads with her, you must not give up your work.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Promise me that you won't give up your work. And Elizabeth Kubler-Ross had the presence of mind to say to her, okay, I will make that promise, but would you mind writing that down in a little note for me? And Mrs. Schwartz did, wrote down the note. Mrs. Kubler-Ross kept that note. And then Mrs. Schwartz walked out of the office.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Elizabeth Kubler-Ross immediately stuck her head out the door to see if she could see her walking down the hall. There was no one there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Wow. And that, you know, another example of a life changing story.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And as I recall, it turns out there was a doctor who was like the best one, right? For lightning strikes.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And then she noticed she's floating six inches above the floor.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yes.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Wow.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
It was a check.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And where did we come from?
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I think that the near-death experience represents the early stages of the afterlife.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah. I don't think, after all, the people have recently died or nearly died.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And so this is like, I think the afterlife could be viewed as a progression. I think there are probably almost infinitely many possibilities over time. But, you know, initially you've got to get oriented.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, I think the one obvious possibility is reincarnation. There's good evidence that people do or can, let me put it this way, people can reincarnate. Not that they have to. And not that everybody does. But it's an option. Another option would be to... move into other dimensions of, you could call it the super-sensible realm, other hyperspace dimensions or dimensions, non-physical dimensions.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
The TV program that I hosted, the original Thinking Allowed series, ran from 1986 to 2002.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Another option might be to reincarnate, but not on Earth, on other planets. I think there's every reason to think that all of those possibilities are open to people depending on their choices and their destiny.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Personally, yes.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I think God is the one consciousness that unifies us all.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Or the universe is within God.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, he set up an institute called the Bigelow Institute for Consciousness Studies to explore life after death. He invited me to join the board of directors. But subsequently... I think, you know, he's an entrepreneur. I think he's moving in other directions. He's creating a new foundation that is taking over that institute. So I don't know what's happening.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I think I have to get back in touch with him. He's been very actively involved in politics this year.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah. He was, in fact, one of the early... He's in Nevada, right? He's in Nevada, yes. Okay.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
He's doing what? He became a DeSantis supporter. Oh, really? Yes, he gave millions of dollars to DeSantis, and then he got- Really?
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
He got fed up.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, I did have many conversations with him about it. I think he felt that after the January 6th insurrection, that Trump was not a viable candidate.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah. And then after DeSantis signed the bill to make abortion illegal in Florida after, what, six weeks, he felt that was too extreme and he switched his allegiance to Trump.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
It started on the radio, KPFA-FM in Berkeley, California. If you had known me in 1972 when all of this began, I was a graduate student in criminology, the University of California.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, I give him a lot of credit. I think that nobody has done more to bring the field of survival research into public prominence.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, I think so.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Are you familiar with this? Yeah, sort of. He set up what was called the BAAS, the Bigelow Aerospace Advanced something. And then he was close friends with Harry Reid, who at the time was the head of the U.S. Senate. Yeah. He arranged with Harry Reid to begin researching the potential threat to national security that might be imposed by UFOs. For example, if nothing else, aviation accidents.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Right. They set up a program that was funded called OSAP, Advanced Weapons, I forget the exact initials, and it ran through his aerospace company and they began collecting data. And so they reached out. Because nobody was making a systematic effort to collect it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, there were some organizations like MUFON that were doing some of it, but they reached out, as you point out, and asked the various aerospace air traffic control people and so on to report to them.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, he hasn't ever said that to me, although he might have. We had many conversations. I've done four interviews with Robert. But I think it's likely. I don't have any evidence for it, but I think it's likely.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yes. As Jeffrey Kripal said, it seems as if it has a purpose. It's to kick us out of our habitual ways of thinking that we know anything.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
But in terms of evidence, now my field of parapsychology has evidence.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
In my city of Albuquerque. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, I think there was, I think, I think there were various experimental aircraft.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And that they didn't want that to be known.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah. Yeah, we don't know.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
69.
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#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I know, Chris.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
So I moved to the Bay area in 69.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, it reminds me of Ted Owens saying there's going to be a UFO that will be photographed and shown on the front page.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
There's a whole category of people who practice the art, and Ted Owens trained people to do this, of summoning lights in the sky.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And it's not so different from bending spoons.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
In August. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
That's a possibility. On the other hand, as I know, Chris Bledsoe is also close with Diane Pasulka, who is a religious scholar.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And who has pointed out that the biblical descriptions of angels actually are much closer to the phenomenon that he's reporting than to the sort of Hallmark card depiction of little cherubs with wings. Yeah. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
So I think that the supersensible realm is populated by all sorts of beings, including angelic beings, including demonic beings, including alien beings of the widest variety, and that humans are encountering them. And from what I know, which is very little, The people in the intelligence community who have reached out to Chris Bledsoe, I think many of them have also had similar experiences.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Because you're working for the government doesn't make you immune.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
There's also healings associated with the Chris Bledsoe experience that you can't explain as simply government deception. Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
You know, there was a character in Las Vegas. He called himself the Prophet Yahweh. And he claimed he could produce UFOs on demand. And so some local TV crew said they'll take him up on it. They went to a public park. And he said he started praying and pointing at the sky. And they caught on video some strange object. hovering above them in the sky.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I think it's actually a normal human talent that most of us never develop because it wouldn't occur to us that we can, but it's probably more widespread in the population than we know.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I totally agree with you. I think Alan Watts, a philosopher, wrote a book called The Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are. We live in an environment where it's to the economic benefit of people in business to have workers. And if the workers all began exploring their deeper potential, what would become of the workforce?
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
No, you have the transhumanists saying we're just going to merge with machines. We'll become eventually one big machine. And it's very desolating.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And unfortunately, most people are caught up in it. And, you know, to talk about the things that interest me the most, mysticism, psychic function and the like, there may be one or two percent of the population that gets seriously involved in even appreciating these fields. Most people are too busy just trying to put food on the table.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I have the highest respect for Jacques Vallée. I first interviewed him in 1973. And I think my most recent interview with Jacques was about maybe within the last year or so.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
About, well, when I lived in the Bay Area, they were all in person because people showed up.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
And then I moved to Las Vegas, and it became about 50-50 because most people eventually will pass through Las Vegas. But now I live in Albuquerque, so we're a flyover city.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
It's true. And I appreciate that you went to some expense to fly me here to be with you in person.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
You're welcome.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
I'd like to share with people two things, if I may. First is the New Thinking Allowed channel on YouTube, which is newthinkingallowed.com. It's all one word. And allowed is A-L-L-O-W-E-D. Not A-L-O-U-D. And I'd also think that some of your viewers may be interested in a new program. The first time in 40 years in the United States it'll be possible.
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#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
to obtain a higher degree, a master's degree or a doctoral degree in parapsychology. And I'm working very closely with the California Institute for Human Science to set up that program. We've just launched it, and we will be offering these degrees and expanding the program.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
So if you have viewers who are really serious about getting engaged in 150 years of empirical evidence about human paranormal experience, this is an incredible opportunity that is now available.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
If you dig deeply, you could find it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, I found that the Pacifica Radio Archive still has some of my interviews going back as far as 1972. Wow.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
My pleasure. And let me just add the California Institute for Human Science. Their website is cihs.edu.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
when I had probably the most powerful, mystical experience of my life. And it turned me around. I realized I could no longer continue on a career track which was focusing on the negative side of human deviance. crime and psychopathology. I was working in the psychiatric unit of San Quentin prison at the time doing group therapy sessions with murderers and rapists. How was that?
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah, it was. When I think of the Bay Area as the capital of consciousness, you had both the high and the low.
Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Well- I was agonizing over what to do for months because there was no pathway at the university and I was a graduate student in good standing. And one day after months of trying to figure this out, I woke up with a certainty that the answer was going to come to me that day in a dream.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
Damn it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
Oh, you're going to drag me into this. Steve, can you... I am a cinematographer. I'm a commercial cinematographer. I've not won any awards. I've just won a lot of money. I would say that it is... Well, you know what? I actually did some test shots. I didn't show Danny this.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
But because it's a single source here, and this is a single source, or at least this is supposed to be a single source, right? It could be two sources. You have one here. It's easy enough to test. And so I took a photo, and this is the sun directly behind me, and you can see... this shadow is going straight up like that, and this one is kind of at an angle.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
And then over here, you got kind of the same thing going on.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
So, this is my personal camera. Why is this, it's not freaking working, man.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
It's not switching? It's not switching. It's a, oh, it's frozen. Oh, it's frozen? Oh, no. Oh, shoot the whole computer.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
All right, so... What kind of lens was this? This is... Because they had a Hasselblad and I just looked online to kind of, I'm not trying to debunk it, but I was trying to match the lens. And so, yes, they have a 50 millimeter, but then there was one resource said that there was like a 25 to like 80 millimeter. And so the equivalent for my camera would be an eight millimeter.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
I don't have an eight. I have a 12. And so this is not going to be as wide. Right. So this is this is like what I this is one shot right here. This is a 12 millimeter. This is a 12 millimeter. OK.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
Well, this is way wider than 50.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
But on my camera, because I have a cropped sensor, the equivalent is the same.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
Do you have any other photos? I did that. I have a bunch of flashes, and so I did the same thing. So you can see the shadows here. So which one's fake, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
This is at night, so it looks a lot more like a moon landing shot, right? So you can see the angles are exactly the same. This is real sun, and this is fake light right behind me.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
Well, so to put a second source there, I threw a flash. So I removed my source and put one at 90 degrees to push this shadow here. And when you combine them.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
That's what you have in the moon photo, basically.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
Okay, so that means... Well, there's a problem here because you have two shadows.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
Dude, you... You are reading my mind. Holy crap. So I did flag it off. Oh. I took a shot with my cell phone to show the behind the scenes, but I forgot to upload it. But this is what would happen if you put this. So this is a four by four floppy over here onto the right. So to eliminate that shadow that I'm casting, that double shadow.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
And you can see that there's a difference in contrast to for the technology that they had back in the 60s. They didn't have like a lot of extra cool stuff. It was pretty basic, like flags.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
They had flags.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
Yeah, the diffusion was probably like a silk or maybe even like a tough spun, like an insulation, but they didn't have like a half grid and full grid.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
Would you agree with that, Steve? Um, I don't, my problem with that is, um, you don't have a flag shadow over here with the, you would either have like a... You would have a double shadow. You would have a double shadow. Yeah. And, or you'd have that flag line and that's, that's the only, like for the technology that they had, I just can't see that being done.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
Like, look at this one versus, you know, that you can see a difference in contrast. I'd...
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
you're asking if my life depended on it?
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
I mean, sure. You would? I don't think I would.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
Oh, I was just, I was trying to find the. Another photo of shadows. No, it's like, I was trying to find like a more higher resolution of this. Oh, gotcha. Because I mean, it's cropped. And so what, I mean, what else is there? Did you get this from like a secret archive or something?
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
Buggy today, are we?
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
Uh-oh.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
At what time timestamp?
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
Back it up a little bit.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
You're going to get raided by the FBI.
Danny Jones Podcast
#293 - Leaked NASA Footage Confirms Spooky Details of Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Bart Sibrel
What's it called?
Danny Jones Podcast
#278 - Steve Jobs Warned Us: How Blue Light Technology is Making You Sick | Anjan Katta
All right, Anjan.
Danny Jones Podcast
#305 - $21 Trillion Black Budget is Funding a Rogue Breakaway Civilization | Catherine Fitts
Wow.
Danny Jones Podcast
#305 - $21 Trillion Black Budget is Funding a Rogue Breakaway Civilization | Catherine Fitts
Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#305 - $21 Trillion Black Budget is Funding a Rogue Breakaway Civilization | Catherine Fitts
Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#305 - $21 Trillion Black Budget is Funding a Rogue Breakaway Civilization | Catherine Fitts
Oh, wow.
Danny Jones Podcast
#305 - $21 Trillion Black Budget is Funding a Rogue Breakaway Civilization | Catherine Fitts
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#305 - $21 Trillion Black Budget is Funding a Rogue Breakaway Civilization | Catherine Fitts
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#305 - $21 Trillion Black Budget is Funding a Rogue Breakaway Civilization | Catherine Fitts
30.
Danny Jones Podcast
#305 - $21 Trillion Black Budget is Funding a Rogue Breakaway Civilization | Catherine Fitts
Mm-hmm.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
The room is like this big here, and it looks like code. That was a thick laser.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
It's not because of the light. No, it's on its own side.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
Yes.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
802. All right. So 08... Go to spotlight.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
Not in Google.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
081802. Okay. Search. Hex color? It's a hexadecimal color.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
Let me see here. Can I zoom in on that? Search the web. Search the web. Related searches on the bottom. Oh, I jumped off.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
Physics.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
What other word would I search?
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
Yeah, I looked in the previous one and there's no references to older versions. Like, sometimes it's at the bottom and sometimes it's not.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
Well, I mean, like, of this paper, like... Because there's multiples, right? Mm-hmm. But it just seems like this number right here, 128, seems to be like letter 128 of whatever this topic is. Got it. Okay, okay, okay.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
This, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
Palo Alto. Alien drone.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
Alien drone.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
RAS whale crash.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
Then I go to images.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
Roswell incident.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
Trying to find that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
We'll let it play through. Gosh, it looks just like Stargate. Oh, wow. Pause. As soon as it came into focus. Here, I'll just show you the image. I have it. Right there. Oh, wow.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
Okay. Text it to me. Don't text it to Steve. He can put it on screen. Cool. Oh, I see. You got like a symbol on the left, but then you have like your interpretation here.
Danny Jones Podcast
#271 - New DMT Experiment Finds 'Alien Code' Hidden in the Fabric of Reality | Danny Goler
But Danny, how is this any better than using soap alone?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I saw an interview. I saw this wild interview on TV. It wasn't on TV. It was on Twitter, but it was like from TV where there was the reporter was standing outside of the jailhouse and all the inmates were like yelling at him. I saw that. They're like, does Luigi have a TV in his cell? No. No. And that dude, Jesse Waters was like, Luigi better watch out in prison.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
So go down to this next tweet. Okay. Oh, and she isn't being sued yet. So literally everything in this post is misinformation. Keep going down. The normies who purchased did the normies who purchased did get rug pulled. And all of this was enabled by the team, which includes the Hawk to a girl. It's already horrible. No need to invent headlines about a $500 million rugs and $50 million profits.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Meme coins always benefit a insiders and trading bots. Oh, that shows that's the Hawk to a coin. So look, it peaks at 0.4 and then it just falls. Keep going down? No, he did a hawk to a jail. Straight to a jail. 3%.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
allocation to public market 70 allocation unlocked pre-sale wallets do the math so she did something she like pre-sold they pre-sold that stuff to like insiders that they were close to and then they all sold it before the thing fell right it shot all the way up and boom they all just they started selling right and then so you're some guy who put twenty thousand dollars in and you don't know when to sell yeah so you you lose they just took your money and left you with some worthless coin
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
At what point are these celebrities going to learn to stop doing crypto shit?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Maybe if Logan Paul went to jail, it would be a bad look for American democracy. I think it would be a great look. I think so. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah, it's just like there's these cockroaches that are surrounding this Hollywood scene. And whenever somebody just pops up, they just see an opportunity to make a quick buck.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Focus on the talk to a podcast. Absolutely. We'll make you some money, okay? Right. Well, yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I'm sure that CEO had a lot of connections in that prison. Like, come on. How out of touch are you? You think the inmates are really going to be like supporting the United Health CEO? Maybe if you're in like Coleman, the Coleman low with all the white collar criminals, but not in a state prison.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Right. For real. Yeah, that's true. It's, it's crazy too. I haven't heard shit about the Logan Paul case. Listen, bro, I'm telling you, I was positive. Something with coffee is still making videos about it, isn't he? Logan Paul suing him, right? What a jackass this guy is.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
But that seems like that's what it is. Yeah. I don't think anybody watched that fight and thought, oh yeah, this is legit. This is not set up.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
It just kept freezing and freezing. Same. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was, it was unwatchable. It was buffering the whole time. I had to actually, I think I had to turn it off on my TV and I had to watch it on my phone. It was working on my phone. Crazy, crazy. What's going on with these New Jersey drones? New Jersey drones? The New Jersey drones. You haven't seen about the New Jersey drones?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I heard something about it. These drones have been hovering around New Jersey, over New Jersey and other states. Now it's in California too. Drones or? They're drones.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
drones they're conventional like drones but they're big they're apparently like the size of this table and they're like slow moving like normal everyday drones they're not moving like light speed like going through wormholes or anything right um and they have like lights on them typical sort of like airplane lights that you see nav lights right and uh nobody knows what they are they interviewed the fbi director in front of congress he doesn't know what the hell they are she went down they're interviewing the people from the pentagon they're like oh we don't know what they are
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Did you really? I can tell.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Or at least up the dose of the roids. I know. I know. That's what Ryan said. Keep taking them. Oh, really? Are you still with Ryan? Mm-hmm. What's your dose? What's your weekly dose now? I don't know. Jess gives it to me. Oh, you don't even fucking care.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
You're not on the Ozempic, bro.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
You're not on the Ozempic.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I don't think it's safe to be f***ing whacking yourself with all these pharmaceutical drugs, man.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I think you should figure out a better way.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Probably, probably. There's probably a better way. If you can up your natural testosterone, you know how you do it? This is how you got to do it, bro. You're up early every day, right? The best way I've learned recently to jack your testosterone levels is to get outside in the morning, right when the sun comes up and just be outside for like 20 to 30 minutes during the sunrise.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
You don't have to be in the direct sunlight, you just have to be outside during the sunrise, right? The other thing is you can do a cold water exposure, get in the cold water, come out and then you work out afterwards. That severely increases your testosterone. Then you just jam a bunch of creatine You know, go to the gym, do a bunch of like, you know, bench presses, squats and all that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
You'll be fine. Eat a lot of steak.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah, that's true. You need to start working out again.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah, that's it. What's, uh, so, so what, so you haven't seen anything about the New Jersey drone stuff. I saw, I saw something, but no, I haven't really looked into it. I've been, you know? Yeah. So the story is there's, there's, I guess the, Dozens and dozens of drone sightings for people in New Jersey every single day. You can find these videos on every website. It's like turn on Fox News.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
It's on there all day long, all day. There's people just like showing their videos of what they see in the sky. Senate Congress hearings with the FBI director, with people from the Pentagon, the military. And they're all saying we have no clue what this is. Then some I think some some state representative said, I forget who it was.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Maybe it was a congressperson said that it was a Iranian mothership parked off the off the shore of New Jersey. And all these little mini drones are coming off the mothership and hovering over New Jersey over Trump's golf course. And this is someone from Congress? Yeah. Are you kidding me? I can't believe this. And the guy finally came and walked it back.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
It's like, oh, no, I said, you know, it could be a possibility. But which, you know, that was probably because I'm sure the Navy wouldn't notice. No, no, no, no, no, no. The country that spends 10 times more on military than any other country in the entire world with nuclear submarines patrolling our coast, Navy fighter jets and battleships everywhere.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
They're not going to notice an Iranian mothership, let alone Iranians Navy. Iran's Navy? Like... Do they even have a prop plane, let alone a mothership? Yeah, could they even get over here? I don't know. I mean, I'm sure they got some good shit. I know Russia gives them some serious equipment, but I doubt they... Yeah, because all the Russian equipment's working so well.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
They're not gonna get across the frickin' Atlantic. No, unnoticed. No, that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. But I think the guy walked it back. Anyways, everyone is, like, speculating on this. And, um... Julian posted a tweet about it a couple hours ago. The holidays are full of stress with holiday shopping and travel and dealing with that one in-law that you don't care for.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
He posted a random tweet that is going, like, super nuclear viral on Twitter. I know what that is. I know what that is. It's like a flying car. Yeah, that's one of those flying cars. Mysterious giant drone. It's not a drone. It's a flying car. It looks like the Jetson drone. The Jetson 1 drone. Have you seen those? I was thinking the flying car thing. So go to X. Go to X and pull up Julian's.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Go to Julian. Yeah. Click on him and then scroll down. Look at him. He's getting like a thousand new followers a minute now. Right there. Hearing some very creepy things about these drones from sources. They are. Yes. Yeah. This is what that is. Look. That's what that is. That is exactly what that is. Julian says, I'm hearing some very creepy things about these drones from sources.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
They're definitely not aliens. I'll tell you that. Almost a half a million views on this tweet, this random tweet that he posted five hours ago. Mysterious. So now he's posting a video about it because his tweet's going viral, talking about his secret sources. He really needs to get that kitchen under control in the background. So we talked to a source of his, one of his sources.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Andrew Bustamante. No, it wasn't Bustamante. He said it's somebody who's never been on this podcast. He wouldn't even fucking tell me on the phone who it was. Oh my God. He's so, he's so, well, you're, you're, you're borderline the same way.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Oh my God.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Oh, stop it, bro. No, he just wouldn't tell me who the guy was because the guy he the guy made a promise. He wouldn't say who he was. He's like, Danny Jones, I'm not even telling you. I won't even tell you if we were locked up in a cage right now.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
He has. He has. I know he has. He goes deep on the analytics, dude. I've never met anyone who goes as deep as he does. Anyways, so he's got a crazy, super confidential source who knows fucking who the guy is or who he works for. But anyways, nobody we know, allegedly, is what he says. The NSA knows. Who told him something. He won't even tell me what the guy said. He just said that it's not aliens.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Okay. Right? But Julian has a theory, and I think he might be spot on with this theory. His theory is that whatever these drones are, that is causing all this paranoia, all this media frenzy. We're on a podcast talking about it. It's a psyop. Not a psyop, but what it is, is it's sort of like a, They're getting like a societal. They're getting you acclimated.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
There's somebody posting, they're posting wanted signs.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
No, it's like it's like a societal war game. Right. So they're they're running a test on society to see how people respond. See the theories they come up with. See what what the narrative ends up being, seeing how people react, what people's actions are, what they do. In the case that something real happens that is similar to this, to be prepared for how the country will react. Wow.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Which I think makes a ton of sense. I think that makes the most sense. Because how else do you explain people in the Pentagon, the military, and the FBI not knowing what it is? Unless it's some sort of top-secret simulation that they're running or even a test.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Wanted signs of CEOs.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I only saw one. Go back to the videos. There's tons of them. There's way more than one. Oh yeah, there's a whole bunch. There's a whole bunch. You can watch videos on Fox News with like 12 of them flying around. There's videos of like dozens of them. There's videos of like at least six in the sky at once. It sucks that it's at night because look, and it's blinking.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
It's terrible, but if there was a revolution, if there was a revolution, if we had to pick a kind of revolution, right? It would be better. Instead of left versus right, it would be better if it was a. Normal people versus CEOs. Maybe. There's less of them. They have more money.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
They're moving like drones, but they look like airplanes.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
You have one, two, three, four, five. I think three. That's pretty unique right there. At least five in that shot.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
So you think these are just people? Random people just trying to psyop the news?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
They're flying over military bases and airports and shit. If you or me go and fly our drone over Tampa International right now, there's going to be a Fed on our doorstep in less than 12 hours. Right, but you've got to be able to track it all the way back to find it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I don't know, man. I think it's something bigger than that. They're clearly drones. They're blinking. Yes, I agree. They're clearly drones. But somebody said that the reports are showing that they're as big as small cars, like small SUVs, midsize SUVs. Well, I mean, we saw at least one of them that's probably one of those automobile things.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
That looks like the size of one of those automobile things. Yes, exactly. You don't even need a license for them as long as they're under 600 bucks. People in New Jersey aren't sophisticated enough to drive one of those things around at night.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
You think?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
That's it. You do have to take a two-day class, though, from what I heard. Look at this guy. New York officials launch a public safety... Does this have to do with the drones?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Let's see what they're saying. Oh, this is live right now. No, this is daytime.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
This has nothing to do with the drugs. This is a load of bullshit. Jesus Christ. So Julian said if Trump doesn't he's scheduled to show up to the Army Navy football game tomorrow. Right. If he doesn't show up to that game, he says we need to get the fuck out of Dodge. We need to start driving west. Seriously, if Julian calls you tomorrow and says- He won't call me.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
No, that's not true. It's true. It's not true. If he calls you tomorrow and says, Matt Cox, start driving west. Did you see my case? It's beautiful. It's great. Chris Kringle. Very cool. With the mistletoes. Yeah. I love Christmas. I know you do. Thank you for sending me all of these. Oh, you stopped sending me videos. Yeah, I know.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I got very disappointed in myself. I started sleeping in. Stopped going to the gym. Stopped sending Christmas videos. What is going on with you, dude? Listen, we've been doing a ton of podcasts. Yeah, you're a machine.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
So, I don't know. God, Netflix is licking their fucking lips right now. Why? Oh, they're getting ready to make a fucking million dollars, millions of dollars off of this Luigi guy. Why do you think there's a bunch of- They're going to make a fucking show, a documentary about him. You know, he's a handsome guy, jacked. All the gay guys are lining up, going goo-goo-ga-ga over him on the internet.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
At nine o'clock at night when that second hurricane was coming through. And we lost power for three days. Yeah, so we lost power for four days per hurricane. Oh, and you got little kids too. And we got kids. That sucks. That is miserable. The second hurricane at 9 p.m. at night, I'm sitting in my living room. This was before my power went out.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
My power didn't go out till late, but I'm sitting in my living room and I'm listening to, I'm sitting next to my chimney, right? So like I can hear the wind flying over my chimney and it sounds like, this is the best description I can come up with. It sounds like I'm in my house and my house is free falling through the sky. Like my house is skydiving and I'm inside of it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
That's what the wind sounded like.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Oh, that's it. That's exactly what it sounded like. That is exactly what it sounded like. When you said that, that's what I pictured. Yep, that's exactly what it was, bro. That's where that person got the idea for that scene. They must have been through a couple of hurricanes in Florida or maybe some tornadoes in Kansas. But yeah, that sucked. No power is the worst part about it, dude. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
You don't realize how dependent you are. How much you need power. Mm-hmm. Everything in the fridge starts going bad. I mean, if you're like a single dude, it's probably not that bad. I mean, if I was by myself, I would be totally fine. But it's like my wife and my kids, they... I mean, my oldest kid's fine, but like my wife and the little one, they just cannot handle it. If they're not...
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
happy if they're not if they're miserable i'm fucking miserable so that's the worst part but we luckily got we got like i mean because you're connected in that kind of you know that kind of bond or you mean they make me miserable kind of way yeah the latter okay um but luckily like the day two days before the hurricane came we got i bought a big ass generator that runs runs on propane and i got these propane tanks that are like this tall
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
So I had my generator running my whole house. I got it wired into my panel. So it fucking connects to my panel and runs my whole house.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
So, I saw like a-
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
They have to fix this. Dude, around here was crazy, too, because literally the beaches were destroyed. I don't know if you saw the beaches or if you ever went on the beach. No, I saw the videos. Oh, my God, dude. It was like doomsday on the beach. The roads were covered in sand. Every car was destroyed.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Every house was gutted with all their beds and their clothes and their furniture all out in the middle of the road. It was just like... It was a straight-up disaster. Like, everyone had to leave the beach. It was totaled. Completely totaled. And, like, they're still cleaning it up. They have giant dump trucks going up and down the roads every morning still.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
So, yeah. Houses are going now on the beach that were like for sale for $4 million a couple months ago. They're going for sale for like $1.5 million. That's a bargain. $2 million now. Steven, do you scoop any up? They're going, it's a fire sale on the beach right now. And then you can buy like one story houses that got really wrecked for like 500,000 bucks right on the water.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Houses that were 2 million bucks a couple months ago. 500,000 bucks. What are you doing? You can't get insurance on them. You can't insure them. And you got to demo the house. You got to build a new house. If you want to get like a legitimately insured house, you got to build it up 12 feet. Right. And you got to think it's got to be a 12 foot foundation garage, basically, that's not livable.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
And then above that, you get so you got to build a whole new house, basically. So it's like you're paying that much money for the land. Right. I have to count me out. You can do it, man. It's a good. Oh, yeah. There you go. I mean, that's not even the worst of it, too. That's like that's like what it still looks like. That's just a small pot. That was like yesterday.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
You should have seen it to a month and a half ago. It was insane, man. All the restaurants completely shut down. They're just starting to reopen now. Like our favorite Thai food restaurant just reopened a week ago. You've gone this far, this long with no Thai food? Yeah. God actually got me thinking about it. I think after this, I'm going to go get some. Speaking of Thai food.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
i'm really fucking hungry right now i haven't eaten i i haven't eaten all day i ate breakfast i ate steak and eggs for breakfast at like 8 a.m and i'm like i'm not gonna eat the rest of the day till after the podcast and then right before i'm getting ready to leave to come here from leaving my house my wife has a freaking pile of pizza and breadsticks on the counter i'm like oh and i just like demolished four breadsticks right before i got here so not ideal speaking of thailand
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Interesting. So he's basically paying his bills from doing these YouTube vlogs. No, no. That's fine. You'll find it. There you go.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
They have to drink water out of the bottle there, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Let me see his chick. Does he have a video of his chick? Yeah, you'd have to search a lot. That's good. That place is wild, man.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
How big is Bangkok? Do we know? Look, he's at the weed store.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
It's crazy that they literally had zero leads on him before some old lady on a Greyhound bus at a McDonald's stop. No, it was a McDonald's employee. Yeah, at a McDonald's, but it was like an old lady who worked at McDonald's, I think. And it was like random, at some random, he was on a Greyhound bus, right? On a stop.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
We got the fire going. We got the Christmas tree. We got our Santa hats on. Good time. When are you going to release this? It feels like Christmas. It's like 60 degrees outside right now in Florida. It is. It's nice. It's hot in here.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I don't know if he was joking or not, but it made me laugh. That's funny. I'm just saying. I got to take a leak real quick. Yeah. Sometimes when I'm really behind on work or getting stressed about the holidays, it messes with my sleep.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Like that's somebody who like called the hotline and says, hey, I think I found somebody who looks suspicious. Yeah. Right. And he gave the ID. He gave the cop his fake ID. Yeah. Well, I like unless that the guy's a smart guy. Right. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Wow. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I'm not.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Don't you have a theory about this? Do you have a little man theory? I'm compensating. Is that what they all do? Is that like the same thing with Napoleon and all these people throughout history? Look, look, look. Explain to me. I need to hear this theory straight from the horse's mouth. What are you doing? What? Okay, pull this up on YouTube. How do we find this podcast?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
All right. People can't see this or hear this, so pull it up on YouTube. How do we find it? Is it Matt Cox Spanish?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Is it AI?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
All right, give us some volume on one of these podcasts. We can see what he's got. All right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah, go to the one on him and Boziak. Anyone, just click whatever.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
It's not doing well, though. Go back. Let's look at the channel, Alexia, the videos, how many views they're getting and stuff. Seven subscribers.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Look, that one has no views. Three weeks ago, not a single view. No one clicked it. Give him his first view. Yeah, why do they even do that? There we go. Now it's got one.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Go up? What does that say? Jay-Z what? You did a video about Jay-Z already? Oh yeah, we did. Who did you have talking about Jay-Z? Ronnie Bowe, which is this kid that actually... How much vetting do you do before you have people on your podcast? Do you make sure that if they say they're a Diddy insider, for example?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
a couple of different IDs. Wasn't there a YouTube channel that he had? Did you hear about the YouTube channel? No. I saw my wife was showing me a TikTok last night where this lady on TikTok was talking about how he had a YouTube channel with a countdown on it. And he has a bunch of videos on his YouTube channel that he scheduled to release later, like at later dates, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
And they had countdowns and like days on them. of saying different things were going to be coming. Steve, can you find something about that? And apparently his YouTube channel got taken down, but somebody saved a screen recording of it and what the video looked like. Yeah, there you go. That was it. YouTube reveals truth about claims.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Luigi Mangione's posted video saying new details will come today. Okay, so did they debunk it or what? Copycat warning. What does it say? They revealed the truth about a cryptic video posted by Luigi shortly after his arrest on Monday. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
The one minute, 24 second clip titled The Truth was shared to an account with Mangione's picture as his profile featuring a countdown with text messages with text that reads, if you see this, I'm already arrested. So was this some guy just trying to capitalize on his arrest? Scroll down past the McDonald's ad.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Was it in person?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Once the clock hits zero, the screen goes black and the word soon appears at the bottom right corner. After December 11th, the flash is on the screen, which is followed by all is scheduled. Be patient. Bye for now. The video sparked hysteria.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
What?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah. This guy's full of shit.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
And these beautiful Starbucks drinks you got. You got us the Christmas Starbucks drinks to enjoy. It had nothing to do with it. Look at that. It feels good to drink Starbucks, especially after Luigi went out and blew them up for their Christmas ad campaign. You see how Luigi went to Starbucks before he whacked the United Health CEO? Free advertising. And all the McDonald's photos.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
We terminated the channel in question for violating our policies covering impersonation, which prohibit content intended to impersonate another person on YouTube. So that was it right there. See where it says 45, the truth? If you see this, I'm already under arrest. He's a copycat, though. Yeah, but they're saying that allegedly he posted this knowing he was going to get arrested, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Also DiCaprio was at much of those parties, those Diddy parties way back in the day.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah, allegedly, but they also said they took it down because it was a copycat.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I don't fucking know. This is not YouTube. This is a website, dude. There's ads everywhere. I don't know. Do we know how to get an ad blocker? I have YouTube Premiere. No, no, no. Just for normal websites.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
How a tale of Sean Cone's sex tapes landed. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
That's bizarre, man. You landed yourself right in the middle of this whole scandal, Matthew Cox.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
You mentioned baby oil. Did you see what Jamie Foxx came out and said? Remember when Jamie Foxx had that crazy medical scare? Yes, he said he poisoned him. He said it was poison. Was it cyanide poisoning? Can you find what Jamie Foxx said about Diddy and getting poisoned by him?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
But yeah, there was a lot of claims about him poisoning people with the baby oil, right? Like using the baby oil laced with like GHB or something. Yeah, it could go in your skin or something, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah, that's wild. But yeah, man, if that's true, that's crazy. And then the Jay-Z thing is wild too. They came out and would have that lawyer. It was like this ambulance chaser lawyer. And then Jay-Z released a statement right after, which was good. I think the statement was that he came out and said something. It would have been way worse if Jay-Z didn't say anything.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I'm going to, I'm going to go ahead and say, and I'm going to fight it. It's crazy too. There's this like strange phenomena on Twitter on X and probably just the internet in general of people who just want all these people to fall. Yeah. They want Jay-Z to be guilty and they want to paint him as a scumbag. It's like the worst part of the internet.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
No, that's the problem with the internet. Yeah, they want- People want the sensational, crazy shit. Right. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
It was a gun.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
And who is the lawyer? The lawyer that, do you know who the lawyer was who sent Jay-Z, tried to extort him for the money?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah. Sexual lawsuit or sex lawsuit, whatever it is. Type in, type in Jay-Z lawsuit. And it's, it's also a civil lawsuit because the statute of limitations is up, right? It was like, it was like in the nineties. Yeah. Criminal. It's civil. Okay. Just go up, go up, go up, go up right there. Stop.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
okay rapper 50 cent mocked music mogul jay-z on social media after he was named in the sexual lawsuit uh alongside 50 cent's longtime rival sean diddy combs months after he reportedly questioned jay-z who has denied claims against him all right keep going see if we find the lawyer's name okay Rock Nation is his company. What is the lawyer's name? Maybe you can find the letter. Oh, Tony Busby.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
That's his name. Okay.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
So show us – so show – can Jay-Z show evidence of Tony Busby trying to get the money out of him and extort him for the money?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
That's just. Can you find Jay-Z's response? Find Jay-Z's response to Diddy.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Steve, it's going to be like a screenshot of an Instagram post or something with a bunch of text on it. It's not going to be, you're going to see, it's going to be a screenshot from social media of something Jay-Z said. It's going to be in one of those articles for sure. Okay, that, yeah, go out. My lawyer received a blackmail attempt. I see he's called blackmail.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
called a demand letter from a lawyer named Tony Busby. What he had calculated was the nature of these allegations and the public scrutiny would make me want to settle. No, sir. It had the opposite effect. It made me want to expose you for the fraud you are in a very public fashion. So, no, I will not give you one red penny.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
These allegations are so heinous in nature that I implore you to file a criminal complaint, not a civil one. He says that because he knows the statute of limitations is up. It has to be civil, right? Yeah. Their only recourse is civil. Okay, got it. So whomever would commit such a crime against a minor should be locked away. Would you not agree?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
These alleged victims would deserve real justice if that were the case. This lawyer who I have not... done a bit of research on, seems to have a pattern, who I have done a bit of research on, seems to have a pattern of these kinds of theatrics. I have no idea how you have come to be such a deplorable human being, Mr. Busby, but I promise you, I have seen your kind many times over.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I'm more than prepared to deal with your type and your claim to be a Marine. Marines are known for their valor. You have neither valor nor dignity. The only heartbreak for me, my family, my wife, and I will have to sit with our children, one of whom is at the age where her friends will surely see the press.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
and ask questions about the nature of these claims and explain the cruelty and greed of people. I mourn yet another loss of innocence. Children should not have to endure that at such a young age. It is unfair to have to try to understand inexplicable degree of malice meant to destroy families and human spirit.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
My heart and support goes out to the true victims of this world who have to watch how their life story is dressed in costume for profitability by this ambulance chaser in a cheap suit.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
you've made a terrible error in judgment thinking that all the celebrities are the same I'm not from your world I'm a young man who made it out of the projects of Brooklyn we don't play these types of games and we have a very strict code of honor we protect children you seem to exploit people for personal gain only your network of conspiracy theorists fake physics will believe this
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
idiotic claim you have levied against me that if not, the seriousness surrounding harm to kids would be laughable. I look forward to showing you just how different I am. Mr. Busby. It's a good response. I mean, if he's innocent, here's the problem. People want it to be true. They want it to be true. So many people do.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
If you read the comments on Twitter, it is like, it's unfathomable the fucking hatred people have for these people when there's no evidence. If he's guilty, like I said, lock him up and fucking throw away the key forever.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I'm not great with math. Yeah. But it was a long time ago. So she's 37. So 37 minus 13. Yeah. So, or 30. Yeah. Yeah. 37 minus 13. Right. So it was like whatever, 24 years. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Oh, really?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Cause you know, and the guy was clearly not a professional shooter either. He hit the guy in the leg and then like the, like all body shots, right? Not one headshot. What he did.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
So you think Busby wouldn't have done this? I think he's got something unless he had some something tangible.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I hope all my childhood heroes don't just start falling like dominoes, bro. Now, like, LeBron's going to be next. LeBron's like, you saw the video, ain't no party like a ditty party. Now everyone on the internet is like going after LeBron. Like, LeBron, tell us the truth, bitch. Look at all these people that are fleeing the country.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Right. You know? Well, yeah. Plus, if you were a skilled shooter, it would have been one shot. Done. Right. Is that the weapon?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Well, LeBron just took a leave from the Lakers. He plays for the Lakers and he just went on leave.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
does this say did leonardo caprio flee the country at the aftermath it's going to say no of course debunked yeah these is it is it debunked or is it what there are multiple matches for leonardo left viral instagram post to break he took from acting in 2013 this is not about that i don't think it's 2013. yeah what's that something breaking news leonardo joins a wave of celebrity departures saying that this is no longer my america keeps going
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
And that has what? Scroll up. How many shares does that tweet have? Nope. 228 reshares, 48,000 views. Hmm. Yeah, that's just ditty. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to know. It's hard to know what the fuck is real, dude. Because this shit's so curated. You know, and Instagram and all these platforms will label it as misinformation. Mm-hmm.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Merry Christmas, Matthew Cox. Everyone's favorite elf on the shelf is back. Last time you were in here was right after Trump got almost assassinated. Oh, that's right. And now we're back, and he is the president-elect. So, first of all, I want to say I'm sorry for your loss, your girl Kamala lost. I know you're upset about that. That's funny. How are you getting through it? I'm okay.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah. But, you know, this whole social media censorship thing, a lot of people are optimistic that it's going to stop in the next year after Trump gets in, saying that they're going to kind of like do a bunker bust of these platforms of like YouTube and Google and Bust them up and try to like break up the monopoly so they don't have so much.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
But the problem is like Google was literally funded, incubated and curated by the intelligence agencies. Like if you go back and search and if you like do your read, I read this incredible background article where this guy did this long form investigative piece on Sergey Brin and Larry Page when they were creating Google from their from I think it was from Stanford. Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
And they were being visited during the whole time they were developing Google and the page rank system and all of that. They were being visited by two members of the CIA and they were like funded by DARPA, the CIA and the NSA. Right. All their money came from these agencies to create it. And like the actual PageRank system was a part of DARPA. Like that's like DARPA technology.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
So like to say that they've infiltrated these websites is not even doing it justice that these Google and YouTube and all this stuff was funded and incubated by the intelligence agency. So it's like their tool.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
What? Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Oh, wow. Have you talked to him lately? No. Should we call him right now?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Wow. Wow. I can't believe he got community. He must have been writing a lot of letters, huh? Who knows what he had on Biden?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Because, you know, Biden didn't really do shit.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Somebody probably has to remind him every day that he wakes up that he's still a president of the country.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
You can't fucking imagine that. When Biden was the vice president, just randomly running in a hunter in Ukraine on the loose, just hunter on the loose, on crack in Ukraine when Biden's the vice president. Can you imagine the fucking shit he's trying to pull using his dad as the vice president?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Definitely peddling. You better have rock in my hotel room in two hours. Do you know who the fuck I am? I will have you murdered unless you have a fucking eight ball in my hotel room in two hours. Oh, God. Tim Dillon did the best bit on this on his podcast the other day talking about Hunter. Like, nobody's at their best when they're on crack in the Ukraine with holding a gun to a hooker's head.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Don't judge people in that moment. He's your last son, your last crackhead son. Like, let him off. All these people that are getting mad at him, they're the people that get behind family values. Family values are what matter. Well, if you give a shit about family values, let this man pardon his last crackhead son. You know, his first son died of brain cancer from the burn pits in the war.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Now he's got one son left, right? This is his last son, Hunter, who was a crackhead who did coke in the White House. He's your son.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah, man. Julian scared the shit out of me with the drone stuff. I really hope Trump shows up to that football game tomorrow. Oh, stop it. If he doesn't show up, we might have to start.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
If he doesn't show up to the football game, that means he got the fuck out of Dodge and he changed his schedule and he's not there. Where's the game? Where's the Army-Navy game?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Find out where the Army-Navy game is tomorrow.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
What's Julian's prediction if that happens? He won't tell me. He's being elusive. He's keeping it a secret. It's his journalistic integrity that he can't tell me what the fuck is going to happen. But something on the East Coast is going to happen and it's going to be bad and we have to start driving west. Where? Maryland. Land over Maryland.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
And Maryland is on the East Coast last time I checked, which is close to Jersey, I think. So everything, hopefully everything will be fine. And we have nothing to worry about. And we don't have to start driving to... You want to hear something? Colorado. What's funny? What's funny?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
A lot of these places just rip you off. Right. Well, isn't it funny that we also know, like, way more about this guy? A hundred times more than we know about Crooks. Yeah. Yeah, that's very weird.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Right. Yeah. It's just so much incompetence at every, including this whole drone fucking fiasco. But yeah, he was one of the judge and listen,
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Trump gets in. He said he's going to release Ross Ulbricht, right? He said he's going to do that. It needs to be done.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Some of them are swamp creatures, right? Some of them are still swamp creatures, but some of them are good. Like the guy Kash Patel seems like he's going to shake some shit up. Bobby Kennedy. Elon Musk. Elon Musk.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah, I think people, rightly so, are skeptical about what's going to be the difference between his campaign and what actually gets done and what he actually does when he gets into the fucking White House.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
He said he's going to release the Kennedy files day one, and then he's going to refer you to Ross Ulbricht. Okay. Oh, I hope those two things happen. And he said, you know, the Kennedy thing. I think, what did he say about that? He said, he goes, if you saw what I saw. Right. I saw that on Rogan. You wouldn't want to say it either.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Right. Just like that?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Because supposedly these people, some of these people are still alive.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Mm-hmm. What do you think the chances are that this guy, what do you think is gonna happen to this guy in prison? He's gonna get a lot of time.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
They're going to cut you.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Am I going to be the guy who blows the whistle on all this and exposes all this?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
You think?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I think so too.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
It's just like, yeah, it's gotta be tough.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
And like I know that – so Bobby Kennedy is one of the big ones, going to be the head of the HHS, right? And he has to be confirmed by a certain date. And there's like a process of him getting confirmed to that position. Do you know how that works?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Can you find out when Kennedy is supposed to get how the like who like how the comp the confirmations of the cabinet members works or like find out when when does Kennedy get confirmed? Are there so many Republicans in Congress right now?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
That's something my ex-wife said, you know, like, what are you talking about? I still can't believe Frank got pardoned. That's insane. Yeah. Commutation. It's not pardoned. Oh, commutation, whatever.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah. 10 years from now, if Neuralink comes out and people are getting it, like CEOs are getting it, like healthcare companies and big tech companies, they're getting these Neuralinks in there because they're rich and they can afford them and it helps them connect better to the internet, helps them.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
in like negotiation, pull shit off the internet that helps them like, like beat somebody in a negotiation or a lawsuit or something like that, or, or it just helps you thrive. Right. And it can just give you an advantage. Do you think you would do it? Or if like you're driving your car and you could be like, where am I going?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
What if they said that it could get rid of dementia? It could make you think like you thought when you were 35 years old, give you, you know. Yeah, probably sign me up. Like, I mean, I don't want to be the first guy. No, no, no. I'm saying they've already done the first guy. I'm saying now like thousands of people have them. You can pay a hundred grand and get it done.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
And Matt Cox, you're going to be rich in 15 years and you can afford a hundred grand for a Neuralink and it'll make you feel younger. It'll make you think quicker. Yeah, I'd probably do it. You think you would? Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I remember we watched it. We watched it last time we were recording. Yeah. Yeah, so... God, the world's so f***ing weird. Dude, it's like a f***ing video game, man. Look at the Hawktua girl. I thought, oh, she's just kind of a cute, silly girl. Oh, she pulled off a scam! She pulled off a rug pull. Oh! What happened with that? You got to educate me on this. So she did some sort of crypto rug pull.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
But we'll be saying we're going to be on a CBDC centralized. Digital currency controlled by the United States. Yes.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Well, there is some of that. It's not everything, but there definitely is some of that. Yeah. But it's definitely scary.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
It's terrifying. That's why you need to buy a shitload of Bitcoin and Doge coin. Oh, Breaking. The state of Florida is considering a study to explore using gold and silver as currency, potentially bypassing the Federal Reserve System.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
This is from 2022? Yeah. So you can't find anything recent about... No, he's not talking about a digital currency. He's just saying Florida currency based on gold and silver. Right, and this was from X. This was from X, so it had to be recent, yeah. Yeah, there you go. Two days ago, Fox. Could gold and silver become a currency in Florida? CFO Patronus supports the move. Wow. Go down?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Precious metals like gold and silver are not legal tender under current Florida law. If the state's chief financial officer gets his way, however, that could change. Florida CFO Jimmy Petronas, who's also running for a vacant seat in Congress, is launching a study to help figure out how gold and silver could be used to buy goods and services in the state. I mean, yeah. Just accept Bitcoin.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah, she came with like the Hawk, the Hawk 2, not Hawk 2, but it was like the- Hawk coin?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Bitcoin.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
This is backed by gold. Bitcoin is, there's a finite amount. There's only 21 million Bitcoins to be made, that they're going to be created ever. And it's like, I mean, I don't know. I can't make anything out of Bitcoin. What is Bitcoin backed by? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Like. It's not backed by anything. It's just the fact that you can't make more of it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Bitcoin, unlike traditional fiat currencies, is not backed by physical commodities like gold or silver, nor by the promise of a government or central bank. Bitcoin's value comes from the widespread trust in its security, scarcity, And predictability. Right. So it's so valuable because it cannot be controlled by anything. And there's only a specific amount of it. And it's freedom.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
It's basically monetary freedom. It's a way to escape all centralized institutions that exist. But I can sell gold. You can also sell Bitcoin. Yeah, but I can make stuff out of gold. Who gives a shit? You can sell Bitcoin. I can go online right now and sell all my Bitcoin for whatever it's worth. If I have one Bitcoin, I can sell it for $101,000 right now. Instantly. In one second.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I can transfer it into cash. It's not like it's some... Have you ever bought crypto? No. No. Okay. Not buying crypto.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Come on.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I can physically touch it. It's going to have gold too. But you keep your crypto backed up on this cold storage wallet. It's like a hard drive you keep it on. So it's not on the internet. And it's like you keep it in a safe or a safe deposit box or whatever. And no one can touch it. It can't be hacked or anything. I hear you. You should talk to this guy.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Cause he ended up losing, looking bad in a debate. Yeah. Yeah. So now he's suing, giving people, serving them cease and desist letters at their doorsteps. And at two in the morning, it's on video and the guys ring doorbell. And he admitted on a video, on a live stream video that he was doing it. He said this on his own fucking video.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
He goes, I'm just doing this to make them spend money because I know they can't afford to fight me in the lawsuit. And if you say that from lawyer people I've talked to is that you can't admit that. If you admit that, your shit gets thrown out. Yeah. Why did he do so badly during the debate? Because he was debating a guy who actually has a PhD in the Bible. Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
And Billy- Actually has all the facts. Billy likes to make a lot of big claims, big sensational claims about the past and about ancient history and ancient civilizations and aliens. Got a couple books. He's got a lot of books. He makes a fuckload of money. And he basically got on this debate, I think a little bit, a lot of it unprepared. And this guy was just like-
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Laying down like hard facts, giving him like like asking him legitimate questions. And Billy comes like, oh, it's like on his phone, kind of like scrambling what to find. And like it made Billy look bad and really uninformed compared to this guy. And it's not a good look, man, because Billy makes a lot of money. But I don't think he'll lose a ton of people.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
We talk about they want to believe that. Yeah. People are going to want to defend him. But at the same time, there's going to be a lot of people who want to see him fall just like, you know, everyone else. So he takes a 20% hit and he makes up for it. I don't think it's going to, I don't think it'll, I don't think it'll affect him that much.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
It might be a little bump in the road, but he's going to still keep doing what he's doing. It's not going to change. Not going to. The lawsuit is that that's where it starts looking bad. Yeah. Well, I mean, well, he publicly admitted he sued them just to fucking make them spend money. Right. Like that's not good. That was not a good idea. But we'll see. What else do you want to talk about?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
I love to see it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Beautiful.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Should we get an interview with him?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
No, I mean, for your sizzle. For our sizzle, I thought. The sizzle I'm paying for. The one that I wrote. You wrote it, I'm filming it and paying for it. Oh my God. It's okay. It's an equal effort on both of our parts. I agree.
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
He spoke great. People like those kinds of accents. What's his – he's Serbian?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a Beck lover accent. No? I don't know. Anyway. Those accents do well. Yeah. British doesn't do well. Yeah. At least on my podcast. I was on Sean Atwood the other day. Oh, yeah. How's he? Oh, well, I take that back. He's probably one of my biggest podcasts ever. Yeah, I know. It was on Zoom, though, during the pandemic. Yeah. How's he doing?
Danny Jones Podcast
#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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#276 - Santa's Elf Explains Jersey Drones, Lost Diddy Tapes & Hawk Tuah Scam | Matthew Cox
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#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
is a lie and a damnable lie. Because if you believe that, then a priori, you have to think that all the horrible things that have happened have also been at the hands of the ETs when they've been at the hands of a CIA special operations team, right? Or SOs, special operators. So I think that that was the thing that concerned me the most.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Now, I'm hoping, you know, I mean, look, I don't have any grievance against any individual, honestly. Right. I mean, mostly I don't know them. I'm more concerned about the human future and human consciousness being polluted with a false narrative that leads us into this dystopian future of endless war and expanded war into space and all this stuff. Because that's how you get to Armageddon.
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#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
That's how you get to a catastrophic conclusion. So that's my big concern. And I think this is why... I don't care who you are. I'm going to speak the truth about it. There's an old saying, I speak the truth whether it gives you counsel or offense. That's the ER doc in me. If you've got a brain tumor, I'm not going to tell you you have a migraine. So that's just me.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And it makes me very controversial and very unlikable, which I don't care. I'm not running for mayor of crazy town ufology either, by the way. So I couldn't care about that. Sure. I care about what the truth is, but also how the truth is articulated that doesn't result in some just furtherance of the agenda of the secret group.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Because what would be, I mean, this is their dream, is to let this come out and pivot the whole world onto a path of needing Big Brother to run endless war and offensive and defensive operations against NHI. Right. That's been the plan.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And, you know, right now, I will say that the weight of the thrust of how this is being brought forward, if you look at media reports, social media, that is the thrust of what's happening. We're trying to bend the curve towards something truthful, but also a positive outcome for humanity, right? And for the United States, because the United States is to crown jewel in these covert secret programs.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And many of our big corporations are tied into these in a compartmented special projects divisions. And a lot of them. So I think we have to figure out how to do this. But, you know, this needs to come out where it's and I basically in here, there's a you're going to laugh. It's a draft speech for the president or other world leaders to give that I've written.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Because people go, really? I said, but it has to be, this coming out, you cannot speak about this with, well, let's just blow them out of the sky, you know, right? That kind of thing. So, you know, this is dangerous. The kind of talk that attends the disclosure discussions leads to a catastrophic outcome for the Earth and humanity. And there's one other risk that's a little bit more ominous.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And that is there are three different people I'm working with that don't know each other that have been in comm centers, communication centers, where somehow they have intercepted communications from NHI. That they're getting quite fed up with the fact that we're taking their technologies and using it against them.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And that that has reached the point where we are a threat, not just to ourselves, but to out there. So people are grossly underestimating how those covert programs are threatening earth because not that these civilizations are hostile, but they certainly are not going to let a rogue group of psychopaths threaten other worlds.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So if we don't get this under control, it'll have to be brought under control. But the worst case scenario is why don't the aliens just fix this? I said that would be the worst case scenario because if that happens, it'll be portrayed as an alien invasion. And they're too smart for that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So why wouldn't they just quietly go after those people and just shut them down? There would be no way to do that without it also being portrayed by their lackeys in government and the media as an alien invasion.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
There's no way to quietly do this, my friend. I mean, if you start looking at the map in here, and the list of corporations, sites, facilities, the trillions of dollars involved with this, that ain't gonna happen where it wouldn't be noticed. Now, humans can get our, and here's what I think, this is one of the messages, is that we need to fix our own mess here. And there's no reason we can't.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I think it's sort of a weird cosmic codependency to think that someone from out there is going to land here and fix our problems. I mean, how well did that work in Afghanistan, right? We're going to go in and nation build, and they're right back to warlords and nonsense. It's got to come from the people, right? Now, I don't necessarily say the leaders, the people.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
The people will lead, the leaders will have to follow. But we've become very passive people. And I think we have to not be so passive. I think the people need to speak up, stand up, articulate, and hopefully exhort our leaders to do the right thing. You know, I grew up in, you know, I was born in 1955. So I remember I grew up in the South very poor. And, you know, my grandmother's Cherokee.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
My father was half native. And they were called half breeds. And I have a twin sister who looks very native. But, you know, at that time there was Jim Crow in the South. There was still segregated water fountains, all that. And I remember how weird that was.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I mean, I was four, five, six, and I'd go to a water fountain where there was no line and a little old lady would grab me and say, don't drink out of that one. That's for, I think they said colored people or something like that. And I went, cause I was in, my parents were not all racist. I went, well, is the water different? Is it, it was like this magical system, this racist system.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And I saw that evolve. And I had an African-American girlfriend in high school. I almost got run over by a bunch of racists who did not like that. And, you know, but that all changed, not because the president and Congress changed it. It happened because of Baird Rustin and Martin Luther King Jr. And there was a movement that made that happen, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yes. And if you look at the work of Rupert Sheldrake at Oxford in morphogenic field propagation, Because of quantum entanglement, let me explain to the audience what that means. Quantum entanglement is at that level of quantum physics where every point in space and time is interconnected. Now, the ultimate quantum entangled field is mind or consciousness, which we can get into this.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So I think people forget that big changes in society rarely come from the top down. It comes from the people up. And that lesson is lost on most people today because most people just sit around looking at their phones and don't do anything.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But I remember that era, and I remember how different, I mean, things aren't perfect now with race relations, but boy, it's a big difference from the 50s and 60s when I was a kid. And imagine having an African-American girlfriend in North Carolina in 72 or 73.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So I think that, you know, progress can happen, but it's a lot of hard work and a lot of sacrifice and people have to stand up and be heard. And that's part of what the whole disclosure movement has been about that when I started. People don't realize that we started the whole disclosure movement in the 90s. It's now, even the word disclosure is used by the New York Times.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But that was, we started that in the mid to late 90s.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Right.
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#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It's the rogue government. It's the secret government. And those are in places that need to be, let's call, liberated. Do you know where they are? Not precisely. I have a very good idea. So one of the things we have mapped are the underground entry points and the connectivity. Say, you have the Edwards Complex. And then you have east of there what's called the Ant Hill.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And those are entry points into underground subterranean facilities or bases. But they connect underground to Nellis and out to the northern – so it's an underground – That's what they call an anthill. If you go to an ant farm, you go in and there are all these connections, right? So we have a very good idea of where those are. And some of the whistleblowers we're working with know even more.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And that needs to be provided to people in the U.S. government so that they can get control of those. And there are some very brave men I'm working with who have been special forces guys. who are prepared to go in and get those facilities under control and also to liberate those people.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, you know, that's a lot of people say that. But just because you're advanced doesn't mean – Terrible things don't happen. I mean, you know, technically you could throw a bunch of spears by cavemen into the rotors of a Sikorsky helicopter and jam it up and have it crash. So, you know, bad things happen. You know, of course, being a trauma guy, I mean, you just see the weirdest things happen.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So just because they're very advanced, people conflate that with being infallible.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So this concept that just because they're extremely high-tech and bright mean they're infallible, no. Now, is it that often that it happens? No, it doesn't. The one site I was over, I was told there were one or two ET craft per year downed. And I went over two black sites. And so, you know, two to four a year over a big area of that part of the desert.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So it's not like they're dropping out of the sky like flies is what I'm saying. It's still terrible. But then remember, we have sites like that all over the world, out back of Australia, South America, all around. And it's still tragic and it shouldn't be happening. And when there are ones that are living, They just don't flat out kill them. They would prefer to interrogate them and keep them.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And so my understanding is that there are a number of ETs that are in captivity and are still living. One guy euphemistically called them refugees. I think not. They're prisoners. But, you know, so I think that is another – you know, humanitarian effort that should happen at some point where they're freed.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
This gets deep into the pond very quickly. But when something, let's say something works in one area, right? And it becomes something that is within that morphogenic field at a quantum entangled level. It spontaneously begins to pop up elsewhere. And this is known as field propagation through quantum entanglement. So it would make total sense that that'd be the case.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I've not seen living ones in captivity in those spaces, no. I've seen ETs. But they're not, to my knowledge, I've never heard anyone describe the variety of them. I know that in the crash retrievals – now, we have 122 documented crash retrieval events that are in – part of them are in here. But in our archive, dpiarchive.com, all of them are in there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And they range from ones that are a foot, foot and a half tall to some that are 8, 10 feet tall and all kinds of different – we just say, you know, genetic expressions, but they seem to all have a head, two arms and two legs, but. Interesting. But beyond that, there's just an infinite variety. What about the mantis ones?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, that one that was the healer, when you see him, is sort of a triangular head. And they're known as really extraordinary healers. I mean, they have some amazing healing capabilities. That one right there? This guy. That's the mantis? Yeah. What some people would call a sort of triangular head. Uh, and you see, and it's sort of, uh, you can outline it. If I had my cursor, I could do it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But, um, I remember this is in complete darkness in the wilderness up on a mountain in Arizona. This was actually in, uh, Oracle, ironically, O-R-A-C-L-I-C-L.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Oracle, Arizona. Interesting. Yeah. A couple of years ago. And, um, so that's, uh, you know, and we love doing that. That's my real passion is going out in the experimentation and, uh, using consciousness and remote viewing to make contact and see what happens.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And a lot of it varies on the group because if there's someone not on the page or someone there who's filled with superstition and fear, they won't show up because they don't want to be around dumb people who haven't figured that. Sorry, but if you haven't figured that out, they're going, why are you out there with us? Go home and go look at Stranger Things or something.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Gary Nolan received a lot of money right after we gave him that genetic sample and he altered the results of it. So we don't know what that creature is. He, he received a lot of money. Yeah. I think it was 3.4 million from the Pentagon. And, uh, And then, so he is now contracting with the intelligence community to show UAP injuries, which is just a psyop. It's a psyop. Yes, of course.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I mean, the UAP injuries are all man-made. But, of course, you get someone like him.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Of course. But you put... this stink on the ETs when it's something we've done, right? So unfortunately, you know, I think that went sideways very badly. So to this day, we don't know what that thing was. Now he published a report saying it was a deformed fetus. Even though the top, geneticist or doctor who deals with bone malformations said, no way, because it was global.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It had growth plates, consistent equivalent of a six-year-old human, but it was only about six inches tall. And so we don't know what it was. It could have been something that is a completely unknown species on Earth. It could have been something that's a result of both Earth and non-human interactions that are ancient in that part of the Atacama Desert in Chile.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
There are accounts of these UFOs being seen and these small creatures. The adult ones are like a foot and a half tall. But to this day, we actually don't know what it is. I mean, I never said it was ET. I said, we don't know what it is, but it's most certainly not human. So what was published... by Gary Nolan and those guys. And I've had the top geneticists in the world tear apart their data.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Now, there'd certainly be huge variety amongst that, say, within that template. And there may be other forms as well. But I think that form, what's called the form of a universal person, a head, two arms, two legs, is probably pretty consistent. Now, there may be others. And they may have evolved from, like, we're 98% identical to chimps. So take a look. I mean, some of us more than others.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It's totally hoaxed. It's totally academic fraud. Really? Yes. But this is why you asked about being paranoid. I'm careful, but I'm not paranoid because I've had so many people who could go on the path of finding the truth and they either get blackmailed and or both bribed, given a lot of money. And next thing you know, everything goes sideways.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And so I've seen that dozens, hundreds of times in 35 years. It makes you a little bit cynical, I guess, or skeptical. But no, no, I mean, he completely started out as an honest person. I know that. And when we first met in 2012, I think. But at this point, man, that's got to be cleaned up. It's a mess.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Those were actually from Peru and from a cave. And we know... I know the researchers, the scientists who looked into that. I've never been down there. But it was handled like you would handle... There's a lot of buffoonery that goes on with the UFO subculture. It was handled in a poor way, but I actually think the actual mummies are legitimate, very old, thousands of years old, non-human species.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Now, how they got there, where they're originally from, but these are not hoaxes. I've seen the cross sections. I've seen the CAT scans. But unfortunately, I was going to go down there with the team this past spring, last year, and try to do a scientific expedition. But there was too much interference from other people. And I pulled out of that. But there needs to be a whole series.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
You have to do ancient DNA, right? Which, I mean, is different from DNA you'd pull on a live person. And it's a whole different technique. You need to have really good forensic dissections, partial dissections. And you need to have every one of them CAT scanned.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And then the metal objects on them have to go through a very sophisticated and expensive analysis to see if the atomic, let's just say whether it was of Earth's origin metal or from out there. And you can do that. But this is a very complex and expensive and time-consuming endeavor that would run into the hundreds of thousands to a couple million bucks to do, right? Properly.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Now, there's never that kind of – the only funding like that in the UFO subculture is to fund things that are disinformation operations. Fact. So that has not happened yet. Maybe it will at some point. But my assessment of it, I actually visited a man in Utah who had acquired several of these, but they were still in Peru. And he gave me a lot of information that when I saw it, he was a scientist.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And I went, yeah, these are real. Now, their origins, I don't know, you know. No one's, to my knowledge, done a proper DNA. Someone attempted to. I think it was a Russian archaeologist, but it was not done properly. I don't have faith in it. Because it's very different when you take DNA from either someone recently deceased or living.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
How you run that is very different than what's called ancient DNA. And ancient could be even 30 years old. Because it, anyway, it breaks down in a way that to get a correct genetic code read on it is a completely esoteric and specialized area of genetic sequencing. It isn't like regular genetic sequencing. So, you know, I would know how to direct that scientific project. I haven't had time.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And then when we were going to go down, there was all kinds of nonsense and theatrics and trickery. And I said, I'm out of here until this gets cleaned up. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, you make a good point. One of my concerns is this comes out and gets spun as a threat, like I was talking about, or it simply goes back into the black pit of Calcutta. In other words, it just gets put back into a black project. It begins to surface and gets slammed back down again. Both could happen. Hopefully neither do.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
One of my best friends calls me a big A because I'm muscly and furry. But, you know, so we just go, okay, that's us, right? But there could be a species that evolved from the equivalent of a cetacean or a dolphin or a bird-like or what have you. So I think there's a huge amount of variation in the cosmos, but it's not that surprising that there would be this morphogenic field propagation.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So what I'm continuing to do, I'm going from here back up to – well, I'm actually giving a lecture here in St. Petersburg.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And then I'm going to be going back to D.C. for some meetings with Congress folks. And then I'll be back down here to meet with – Anyway, a general. Oh, really? Yes. And who had been at one point the national security advisor for a president. So we're trying to still work the system.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Get the more important trajectory, I think, is going to be empowered people through an executive order to take all these whistleblowers we have, protect them, and then get their information and then get those old legacy corrupt programs under control. And that's the real plan. You know, whether we can make it happen, we're going to give it the all out effort this year. And I think it can.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I actually I think there are people in the new administration very open to this. I don't think they have much information. I mean, I've met with some. of the incoming prospective cabinet members already. But I don't think there's yet a consensus on the path to take. And unfortunately, a lot of them have been targeted with false information.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So it's complicated, just like members of Congress have had that happen. The best I can do is give the information, the evidence, and the advice and then see how they carry the ball. Meanwhile, I actually think they need to be hearing from the public. The public can get this and say, oh, these recommendations, these executive orders and what kind of – do it. Just write a letter to your members.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And a lot of people don't do that. They think it's very old-fashioned. But I mentioned this earlier. I've heard from so many people in Washington who are elected representatives and they go – we really want to hear from our constituents on this. But most people, they just, this is entertainment for people, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I lost my career over it. I've given up $15 or $20 million in assets. I mean careers based on the topic itself. Oh, of course. And the scarier and more false it is, the more money there is. Because they're going to open every door to a book publisher or a big movie deal if the information is BS, right? But it's scary. So that's the other thing I discovered is that
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
You know, we'll put something like this out of print on demand, but HarperCollins will give someone a million-dollar contract to put out a book that's full of nonsense and disinformation designed to scare the hell out of people. Gee, I wonder how that happens. So, you know, this is something I just accept as the way things are right now. It might change. Who knows?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
well and we've started our own podcast by the way oh yeah i was gonna say i was gonna say tell people uh where they can learn more about what you're doing and yeah you know your your uh your website and all that stuff yeah so uh you'll be able to get this now on you know our site the briefing document material we have a podcast uh that we've started we've only done i think four or five episodes
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
They're not fancy like this. They're very homemade. But that's our bandwidth. The homemade ones are the best. Yeah, it's quite primitive. But it's to get the information out. And as all this begins to break, I want to be able to on a weekly basis comment on it. And then if you want to sort of be part of the CE5, there's the app, CE5 Contact. You can get one in your app stores.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Some people call it the 100th monkey effect, where they studied monkeys on an isolated island. And once the troop learned how to do a skill spontaneously hundreds of miles away, the monkeys on another island started doing it. It was like this entangled field.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And if you want to join us for that cruise out in the Caribbean virtually, now a caveat there, there will be places where Starlink and our connectivity out in the middle of the Caribbean won't be live. We'll have to record it and put it up. But it'll still be a fun experience. And you'll really learn a lot. because you'll be part of the daytime conference.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And then also the nighttime, four of the nights, we'll be out on the upper deck, out on those stars in the middle of the ocean. And we'll see what happens. It'll be fun.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I am too. But you're acting like those are separate. They're not. How are they not separate?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But that's external. So I'm talking about the internal. See, here's the thing that's very interesting. We're different in every imaginable way, but we're the same in a very essential way, and that they're sentient and conscious.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So let's talk about field consciousness and what Erwin Schrodinger, the father of modern particle wave theory and quantum physics, in 1908 said, the total number of minds in the universe is one. That is, it is a singularity. So I know it sounds very Spockian, but this is a fact, actually. It's been proven. Very Jungian. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It's been proven by Dr. John at Princeton University, who had the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab. And I knew him before he passed away. And they did very accurate studies with random number generators, where you would just think to it, and it would change it from just equal distribution of zeros and ones to shifting to, say, ones, the digital.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Now only 115 you can see their testimony, but we have 115 you can go look at right now. The others are blackened out because they don't want to be known, but we're handing them over to a special access project to look into what they know, the documents they have, the materials they've seen, and try to put together the puzzle. So what I like in this too, I call it the disclosure mosaic.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
They're just quantum digital random number generators. Very well done studies have been replicated all over the world. So what is that? So we always think of ourselves as sort of these islands that are completely separate because of 3D, right? Our bodies, the environment.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But what if there's a level of not only in physics, physically, what they call quantum entanglement, and Einstein called it the spooky effect, But also on a level of consciousness and mind, it explains a lot of phenomenon, a great deal of the phenomenon. So the one good thing before I went to medical school, and you're going to laugh, it's such an anachronism now.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I became a meditation teacher and studied Sanskrit and the Vedas and sort of learned really in depth about meditation. The science of consciousness and all of that. You're a hippie. When I was 19, 20, it was great fun. Yeah. You know, it was a sort of, you know, I finished college when I first went in. And I said, what am I going to do now? So I said, well, let's do this.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And that was a consequence of a contact experience I had. And then that was a consequence of having had a near-death experience when I was 17. So it sort of opened up that trajectory into consciousness and the study of that. And then where does that intercept with all this? Well, it actually turns out to be essential.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So, you know, you have this team of people who've just defected from – I can't say which black sites. I've been at those black sites. And they were using a type of psionic or psychic interface with technology to intercept and bring craft in and then hit them with electromagnetic pulse weapons. I've been at these sites. I know where they are. And I've met some of the operators. And it's real.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I mean, it sounds like science fiction, but it isn't. No, it sounds like stranger things in real life. Well, I mean, the science fiction is all ripped out of the things that are real often. But this is the real end of it. And it's serious. But that's why the CIA had a remote viewing program 30 years on. I know a lot of those original remote viewing guys.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And so that whole area, where does that have to do with UFOs, though? Well, it has to do with the fact... Now, I wrote about this in a 1991 paper called The Comprehensive Assessment of the UFO ETI Subject, Extraterrestrial Intelligence Subject. And it describes two related things, phenomena, that those civilizations have technology that assists their consciousness in these capabilities.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But they also have the ability to have their consciousness augment the technology so they can think to that camera. It's like Neuralink without the wires, you know, at the speed of thought rather than the speed of electromagnetic field propagation. So, and that's real. And so civilizations that if they're, you know, from the Andromeda galaxy, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
and two and a half million light years from here. They're not using your cell phone at speed of light. It would take two and a half million years to say, hey, how you doing? And another two and a half million years for you to return the reply. So the speed of light ain't gonna cut it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So when you go what I call superluminal, beyond the speed of light, you're going into transdimensional, you're crossing dimensions. And within those finer dimensions, It becomes more and more preeminent that you're using conscious fields and thought. And it's really strange stuff, but it's true. And so if you don't understand that, you're never going to understand extraterrestrial civilizations.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Instant.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It's instant. Now, not necessarily to transport systems, but if you're communicating, it's in real time. Because there too, let's say you're here and Your home base is two and a half million light years away. Because it's not going in a straight line, forget about the speed of light.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Think again about this interrelated quantum entangled cosmos at the level of not only thought and consciousness, but even very refined electromagnetic systems. So then you go, boom, it's in real time. And this is where they've done studies recently where they have teleported particles and they have the spooky effect where the same particle can be in two places at once that Einstein described.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So I don't know if I'm boring your audience at this point. No, you're not boring them. But so at that point, you begin to realize that if you're a very advanced civilization and you want to become – interstellar, you're not going to be using the junk that all of us think is so all get out from Silicon Valley. I mean, that's rubbish, right? How did you figure this out?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So imagine you have a big picture you're trying to create. And because of the highly compartmented nature of top secret special compartment information projects dealing with this, you get a piece here and a piece here and a piece here. So what I've tried to do over the past 35 years, since 1990 when I started this effort, is to put together the mechanism
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, the truth. I prefer the truth. Well, it was a bit of a long story. But anyway, in 1973 in March, I got very sick and I died. I had a near-death experience. I was raised an atheist and we didn't believe in anything. If it didn't fit in a test tube, it didn't exist. Nonsense. But I had this amazing, beautiful experience, actually.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And I had personally this experience of my own, say, drop of my individuality becoming the ocean, sort of this expanded consciousness state that was infinite. It was boundless. And it was very beautiful. And obviously, I didn't die because here I am. But it was a very serious near-death experience.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And about six months later, no, a couple months later, I decided I'm going to learn meditation because I want to get back to that state without getting sick and dying. So I learned how to meditate and started studying that. And then I was up on a mountain in North Carolina, upside the little town of Boone, North Carolina. And I was hiked up there before sunset. And I wanted to see...
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
the sunset, and meditate. And that was it. And just before sunset, I saw a perfectly seamless disc that appeared. And I'd seen almost an identical one when I was eight or nine in North Carolina. I grew up in the Charlotte area. And I went, oh, they're back. I didn't think any more about it. I just thought, well, there it is. I mean, I just accepted this.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Because I had looked into this when I was a kid after I had my sighting. But that's all that happened. It was there, and it didn't move off. It just winked out, just sort of like dematerialized or vanished. So I go and I meditate. I'm sitting there, and it gets dark. And when I open my eyes, I have this—the whole Milky Way is up above.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And I'm about over 5,000 feet up there, crystal clear, October 1973. And— I had this beautiful thought that entered me. I said, behold, what a beautiful universe God has made. And with that, I went into that same experience I had when I died. It was phenomenal, but I was in my body. So I looked over and there was a glow over the edge of the mountainside. I think it was that craft.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And there was a little, there was a person. Now, as an 18-year-old kid, I thought it was a deer standing on its hind legs. It had beautiful eyes, maybe about four and a half, five feet tall. And it came over and it touched my right shoulder. And I left. I just dematerialized for about four hours. Four hours? Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Now, I thought it was about 30 to 45 minutes, something like that, because time isn't the same in these dimensions. But so during that encounter, I started – Having this experience of where non-human and extraterrestrial and humans, where could we connect? And it was at this place of non-locality, it's called in physics and consciousness. So I started practicing this with these ETs.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
For people to come forward, give us information and testimony, whistleblower testimony, documents when they can get them out of a secure facility. And then put that whole assessment. So it's called an intelligence assessment. And what I discovered back about – between 1990 and 1995 – is that the vast majority of information on this subject is actually very carefully curated disinformation.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
This meditation? Yeah. So we have an app called CE5 Contact. It's probably the most controversial things I'm doing. Yeah, I've heard of it. Yeah. And it works. And if you look at the movie Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind, you're going to go, whoa, wow. I just sent your producer a picture of an ET that appeared.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
No, the aliens are from Guatemala. Okay. These are extraterrestrial biological entities.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I know we're in Florida, nobody jokes. You can't make jokes in Florida, they're way dirtier than that. It's impossible. So this is, where'd you see this one? So this is in Arizona a couple of years ago, and we were doing the CE5 contact protocols.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
and uh you full screener steve yeah you have to do full screen and otherwise it's useless yeah um he's he's learning how to use there you go um so it looks like a beak and it's this round head and you see the eye sock on the left there's a light source that was not ours coming from his left and uh sort of a feathery tunic now this is about three feet from me
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And we had David Marconi, who wrote Enemy of the State with Will Smith, had a great Nikon camera set up on a tripod with a remote. And we had seen what looked like a red orb right between this older gentleman and a member of our team. And it was me. And I said, take a picture here. And he did. And here's this person that we had heard walking around behind us without seeing it with the naked eye.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
but it captured this person.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It's hard to make anything of it. Oh, no. I mean, the right eye socket, you can see it's a very big head with like a beak-like nose and mouth, and then a tunic, and there's a right hand there. I mean, this is at night with no illumination, by the way. We're out there in the middle of the wilderness in pitch black.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So this, by the way, this, we call this ET the healer because he has appeared at other times. And the man right beside him had lost his hearing since he was in middle or high school. And even with hearing aids, he could barely hear. And this- Wait, what is that next?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
That's that older gentleman who lost his hearing.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yeah. I checked. That's a person.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
No, no, no. He's sitting in our, we're in chairs in a circle. Okay. Yeah. We could give you the whole context, though. But what's interesting is that he was healed of his hearing loss. By the next morning, he woke up totally fixed. So I've been doing this since I was 18. So now I'm 69, so for 51 years.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And what I find interesting about retail ufology, it's always, I was abducted, and I was raped, and I was tortured, and I was this. I'm going, yeah, that's the CIA. You mentioned the Greys. I know who manufactures those.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yes, they're not aliens. Well, the gray beings that like Willie Streber talks about. Yeah, the fake ones, as they're called.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
If I can be blunt, it's bullshit. And that's been done deliberately to gaslight the public and Washington officials and the media. But it's also been done to create the specter of a – threat from outer space.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I knew John very well.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yeah, I call it the cosmic Noah's Ark. Yeah, right, yes. No, but I mean, there's a mixture of things. So here, remember this. Okay. October, 1954, We mastered gravity control. Who mastered it? Covert programs in the United States aerospace. But there was a couple people working on it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
There was Lewis Witten and- No, I'm talking about, if you take T. Townsend Brown's work- Okay, T. Townsend Brown, okay. And the B. Phil Brown effect, all that started in the 20s. And if you look at a film that we released a couple years ago called The Lost Century, it kind of unpacks all this. It's a documentary. And people should look at that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It explains all this and this trajectory of how this evolved. And so there were experiments with very high voltage systems that called an electro-gravitic effect where things would lift, right? And that was in the 20s. That was 28, 29 years. It was replicated in Germany in the Kalski-Frost experiment. We have a physics journal. We show that in the film. It's in here for the briefing.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Now, imagine those early experiments with so-called anti-gravity. Not a good term, but it was used a pop culture term. It's actually electrogravitics and electrogravitic field propulsion. But it's not a physics class. So what happened is that this –
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
That research combined with a augmentation of that research, a big leap forward by studying the extraterrestrial vehicles that we downed in the mid 40s and 50s. So by the time those two streams combined into a mighty river of research, but it was covert. As I was referring to that Wilbur Smith document, it's the most secret. And he said, this is the most secret operation in the United States.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So what, you know, Wernher von Braun, who invented the rocket for Adolf Hitler, told his assistant right before he died, who's on our team, Carol Rosen, he said, look, what we're planning to do is to launch a fake alien threat so the world can be united around some sort of dystopian, militaristic, totalitarian state. And we're real close to that. I mean, a warm-up for that was 9-11.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
exceeding the secrecy of the hydrogen bomb research. Now this is 1950 before we detonated the first atomic hydrogen bomb. So imagine something more classified and secret than the H-bomb, the ultimate doomsday weapon. That's this stuff. So, you know, my uncle had his whole career at Northrop Grumman. He worked on the lunar module that landed on the moon.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But those big aerospace companies, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Skunk Works, and now Raytheon, EG&G, way back then, and others, they got the portfolio for their special projects to study this material, figure out how it worked, and then apply it. So by 1954... We had operational gravity control so that we were building our own UFOs.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And I always tell people, if you see something you call a UFO or UAP, you have to ask yourself, it could be one of three things. It could be an extraterrestrial vehicle or NHI craft. It's the pop culture now. It can be a man-made one coming out of one of these big aerospace companies, because they've been zipping around since the late 50s.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Or it could be neither of them, and it could be some extra-dimensional entity, something from another dimension that's not extraterrestrial.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And it's deliberately been commingled. In other words, disinformation specialists from the CIA and other places like Lou Elizondo. He called you a terrorist. Yeah, I know. It's very funny. I'm a terrorist for speaking the truth. Well, that's... Yeah, I mean, you know, as opposed to people who are actually trying to create Armageddon, which would be his crowd.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
No, I don't make claims. I make statements based on facts and research. I'm a scientist.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But the problem is, is that if you don't have enough of the information, and this information has been in a blackout for 70 years. You know, if you're David Fravor flying an F-18 chasing one of these things, and you're not read in. You're a jet pilot. You're not read into what's coming out of the underground facilities at Skunk Works out there in the desert.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So you're going to immediately think, oh, shit, I just saw an alien craft. No, you saw something that was made at the Skunk Works that was moving in a way with no visible means of propulsion that
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I mean, the left hand doesn't know the right hand exists. I mean, I've done briefings for the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, three-star general. And he didn't know anything that was going on with this, even though he made inquiries. He was blown off.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So everyone thinks that there's sort of this, you know, you're the president or you're a three- or four-star general and you have an all-access pass. You do not. And that is what my big coming of age on this and why I started the Disclosure Project in 1993 was when I briefed the director of the CIA for Bill Clinton. I learned in a two or three hour meeting.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yeah, R. James Woolsey, who's since flipped on everybody.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
A friend of his, he had been on the board of the Pentagon think tank, knew him and was following what we were doing. And it was mainly because in 1992, here in Pensacola, Florida, near there, We had a CE5 contact team, and we vectored in four ET craft, and one of them was on the front page of the Pensacola paper, got picked up by the intelligence community.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
A bigger warm-up was COVID. We're The big one is this. And if it's not averted, it'll panic the planet into this stupidity. So, you know, and this sort of false flag operation has been run since for thousands of years by powerful people and military people to sort of get their way and rule through fear.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And before you know it, I had all kinds of spooks knocking on my door. You know, everyone who laughs at that, I say, yeah, what you're missing is the main part of the secret, dude. You know, you're missing the big picture totally. You know, you're flat earthers if you think the universe is 3D flat. You know, you're a flat earth society, you know.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But anyway, so that got on the radar of this think tank that was looking into the subject under a contract with the Pentagon. And the director of that think tank and the CIA director were friends. So once he became director of CIA, he and Clinton and some other people, Webster, Hubble, Justice, were trying to find out about UFOs. And they were being gaslit and lied to or deceived.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And they knew it. I mean, Clinton was smart enough to know he was being Zoomed. And so they reached out to me to come up and provide the information I had. Now, initially, I will say, if you look in my archive, you'll see the letter, the correspondence about this. I thought they were just trying to pick my brain. And there was like, you know, intel gathering exercise. No.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I mean, the director of CIA and the president had been completely denied access, threatened and told nothing. And I, you know, at that time, look, I'm a 30-year-old. something you're a mid-30s medical doctor working full-time as ER, you know, like the show or something. Never seen the show. But the truth is, is that I thought, surely they have more information than I do. This is nuts.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And they were just lying about what the purpose of the meeting was. And they were just trying to gather information from me. But it wasn't. He was shaken and they really didn't. And that's when I realized that That the organization that's running these covert programs is unconstitutional, criminal, and has been since the late 1950s, since Eisenhower kind of lost control of them. He was betrayed.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So there has been no proper – legal constitutional oversight of any of these operations. And this is dangerous since at least 1956, seven, somewhere in that period.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, not really. I mean, yeah. That's a late, recent event. So there were more significant events that happened in the 90s that people don't know about or don't talk about. Because Clinton had set up a military team. Because they used to call it Team Blue was the regular military. Team Black were these illegal projects.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And he set up what's called Team Red to penetrate those covert illegal programs. And I know some of these guys. Most of those guys were killed or absorbed into Team Black. So some of the whistleblowers just now coming forward, some of the older ones, had been on Team Red. I can't say which ones, but they'll disclose that when they're ready. Okay.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And so what you're doing with this is that when you look at the whole body of everything I call the legacy ufology crowd, there's good information out there. And then it's mixed in with nine parts of nonsense. And so what most people do, and this is why by 94, I was ready to give up on this. Let me be honest with you. Most government officials go, I'm out, because this is such a cacophony.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And they got totally pulled into these illegally run operations. Now, remember, if you're a 18, 20, 25-year-old Delta Force guy or Green Beret, you're not read into the chain of command up above you. You just go, yes, sir, and you're going to do what you're going to do. But once they reached a certain level of seniority, they realized –
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
They were in an illegal criminal operation, which is when they reached out to me. And they said – one of them said, thank you for what you're doing for those of us stuck on the other side, meaning stuck in this illegal – criminal operation and they want out.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So the good thing is there's a momentum happening now if we can get whistleblower protections through the Congress and executive order from the president where there's a whole damn rate of break of folks like that that we have who will come forward and with the evidence And this will begin to be solved. It's just the beginning. So that's what we're trying to work on.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But it way, way, way predates Grush. I met with Mr. Grush when he was still undercover and gave him information. And his bosses were people that were people I had briefed in the SCIF, the Secure Compartment Information Facility. So he came out with what he had done, but he was secondhand. He had not been operational. I'm talking about the firsthand operational people.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And what's interesting, if you look at the House Oversight Committee hearings, it's all been all these secondhand people. And I told Congressman Burchette and Luna, why don't you subpoena the people that we have? Here's a list of the top 25. And these are people, like I just described, who are operational at the Skunk Works. Interestingly, they never call those people to a hearing.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I said, don't call me. I'm just the doorway. I'm the opener, right? Call these guys. And here are their name. And by the way, here's their DD-214. And here's where they're operational. You have to wonder why. I mean, are really people that clueless in Washington or is something going on there? I don't know.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, you know, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Now, remember, I think these guys just starting to come out who've dealt with the targeting and downing of these craft and how they've done it and the collateral damage, the civilians in private airplanes that have been killed in the process, that is one of the biggest stories in American history that's about to come out.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Private planes that have come down? So let me explain how this works. So let's say you're out at some black site out in the desert out west. Okay. I won't say which one. I've been in this Special Forces Geist Chopper that's on the retrieval teams and flown over this area and seen the equipment and the underground base opening, all that. I have pictures and videos of it. It's in here.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And that actually, this is available for people to order now. We've sanitized some of the sensitive names out and you can go and order it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
How do you order it? Well, I don't know. I don't do that. My assistant will give you guys a link. But everyone listening can get one. And how would they go about doing that? They would get the link from your assistant? Well, no, you can put it up. I can put a link to it? DrStevenGerrard.com, there'll be a link to it. Right, Raven? Anyway, I don't do that stuff.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And then what is your plan with this? Your briefing? This has already been provided to the incoming new president. And to some of his senior folks. And also to the key oversight committee, Senate Intelligence, Armed Services. And what was their reaction to it? Well, they're just now studying it. It's an enormous amount of information and intelligence.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It's such a mixture of fact and fiction and rumors upon rumors upon rumors. They don't have time for it. I'm an emergency trauma doctor. So I'm going, this is crazy stuff. But I've stuck with it to try to make my way through this vast amount of noise.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So there are some entities that are on the enforcement end of U.S. government that are now drilling down heavy information. on the same methods and sources that are in here, the people, the witnesses, the whistleblowers, and the facilities and corporations.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Probably one of the most significant people to come forward, if we can protect him, is the former chairman of a Fortune 50 company that's been involved with this. It's a household name. I won't say which one. And he wants to come forward. He's like 80 years old this year. And He deeply regrets what they've done.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And, you know, he's admitted that they have the schematics and the designs to provide free energy, quote unquote, to the whole world. And he really regrets all this secrecy. But at the same time, he as soon as he reached out to me.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
through his assistant and friend fortune 50 it's one of the top 50 companies yeah it's huge and can we play can i guess no i'm not gonna play that game no i don't but i would betray that man's trust because it'd be easy for someone to figure out who it is it wasn't a military contractor though it's a big company that has a lot of fingers and a lot of pies right okay um but uh
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
This man then was threatened and they threatened to kill his whole family and his grandchildren. So what I'm trying to get, and it was, you know, the Senate Intelligence Committee passed in 2023 unanimously. the provision to give amnesty or safe harbor to these kind of people, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But the House, in the reconciliation of the bill, took it out due to a couple of guys who were, I think, bad actors there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
No, yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Mike Turner was chair of Senate Intelligence and the other Mike Rogers, who was chair of Armed Services. And a few other people gutted that. And why? Why do you think those two guys? Because I think they receive a lot of funding from the very people that need to be exposed. I mean, you know, I think it's not obviously they're carrying water for someone, which is corruption.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But that's Washington, right? I mean, who's got the money? Who's got the blackmail file on you? You know, people get bribed, people get threatened, people get killed. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a fact. I've had all those games run on me. But I think that someone like that would have a lot of the keys to the kingdom.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But if you're at risk for RICO charges, federal racketeering influence, corrupt organization charges due to the criminal activity, that you oversaw as an executive and maybe worse things, but you're also under threat from the organization keeping the secret of having you or your family killed.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Like this gentleman, I don't think he would mind if he got killed, but he doesn't want his children and grandchildren killed.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
No, he was the chairman of a massive corporation, but he was read into a very special projects compartmented area dealing with the technology.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Of course. Yeah. And so it's – now I know who he is. And the people who are going to need to know, you know, the – President, you know, Attorney General, law enforcement and on down the system will know or do know by now. So the only question becomes, what are they going to do about it? Now, you know, when I was beginning to tell you about these black sites. All right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Now, imagine, OK, you're out in a desert site, remote, no access. I mean, ground sensors, you're not going to get in there easily. And underneath. the ground out there, there is a huge complex of stiffs or subterranean facilities. And some people call them DUMs, deep underground military bases.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And in our briefing document you can get, it actually has 150 or so of these sites where UFO-related operations have been. Some are key ones. Some have been incidental or peripheral ones. And that's available for anyone to look at. Anyone who wants to look at it can see it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And so I'm in this chopper hovering over one of these and there's the opening from underground where the man-made UFOs go up, go over a test range and they're hit with electromagnetic weapons to see how hardened they are before they're good to go. Those are man-made, and they're manned with people. And are these similar to like Tic Tac stuff, the Tic Tac UFOs?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
They're octagonal. They're disks. The ones that are Northrop Grumman and Raytheon generally, not all, tend to be triangular or trapezoidal. They're not necessarily equilateral triangles. Okay. isosceles, and many of the ones that are cigar-shaped or tic-tac-shaped or discs or octagonal are Lockheed Skunk Works, EG&G, and some others.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So all the prime contractors that we know of where we have sources are named in the briefing document. And I've been building that list for 30 years, ever since I was asked to put it together. And, you know, the problem is – and this gets to sort of a gut check here. What are you going to do about it?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Because let's say you're the president or you're – if I was on Patrick Bette David's show a couple days ago. He's a big broadcaster and a great guy. And he asked me. He said, well, you know – Do you think the president is the most powerful man in the world? I said, well, he could be, but he isn't. He showed a clip of Mr. Trump saying he is.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But when they realize what they're up against with this, the power you're talking about derives from extraordinary technological prowess. So to make this real for people, I always tell this is a sort of apocryphal message. But in 1997, excuse me, I was asked to do a stand-up briefing for, and this document leaked, a report about this leaked out of Edgar Mitchell's archive when he died.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But my military advisor, who I'll be seeing tomorrow, who's retired, and I and Edgar Mitchell, the sixth man to walk on the moon, and Eisenhower, era whistleblower. And my assistant, Sherry Adamak, were in attendance. But I was asked to do a stand-up briefing for Admiral Tom Wilson, who is J-2, the head of intelligence, joint staff.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And prior to the briefing, I'd sent over something similar to this, but different. But one of the documents that was in there It is in here, and it's a National Reconnaissance Office, NRO, which is the big entity that runs all the spy satellites, document from Area 51, Nellis, warning of civilians trying to spy on the range where they test – and do the research on the man-made UFOs, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And they didn't want that to get out. But in that, it's not been declassified, but it's legit. And it lists the project code numbers and names, right? So, and it's a 91 document. This meeting's in 97. So it wasn't antique, right? So I give it, I have someone hand deliver it to the admiral prior to the meeting, right? So he starts digging into this and hits pay dirt.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
He finds a few key offices where this is going on. He calls them up and he says, hey, you know, I want to be read into this. And he says, I'm Admiral Tom Wilson. I'm J2, head of intelligence, joint staff. and they say, sir, we can't discuss this with you. You don't have a need to know. And, of course, his reaction was, well, God damn it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I mean, I'm the head of intelligence with the Joint Chiefs of Staff. How can I not have a need to know? Excuse my language. But, I mean, this is like... mind-blowing right all right so then he gets threatened and he's threatened with being demoted where they take a star off your lapel and put you out to pasture with much lower benefits and pay and retirement yeah let's be real
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So he backed off of it. But at the meeting, at the end of the meeting, And it was supposed to be 45 minutes. I think it went on for two or three hours. He kept canceling appointments. I asked him, I said, we need your help. You know, I'm just an emergency doctor doing this because I'm interested, but it's serious stuff. And he asked me, who else has had this happen to them?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I said, well, the secretary of defense, the CIA director, the president. He said, well, what am I going to do? I said, yeah, but you're here key in the military, in the Pentagon. And he says, no, here's what I've learned. And this is how he said it. He says, I've learned that the best thing I have In the normal constitutional government and military is a B-2 stealth.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And that organization have craft that are anti-gravity that can do circles. He did like this, circles around my B-2 stealth. He says it's point, set, match. He said, you know, we're checkmated because of the technology. So now we're into the horns of the dilemma right here because, you know, I realized going up against –
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
corrupt interests that have that level of technology, which is very dangerous. And when I literally tell people the threat from that organization, which is international, have these technologies far exceeds the threat of China, Iran, Russia, terrorism, and by order of magnitude.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And no one's doing anything about it because no one has quite figured out what the threat matrix is, what the threat assessment. So what we're trying to do, not to scare the hell out of these officials, but to say, here's the problem. Here's a solution. Now, the solution, the best outcome of this that we're recommending is a glide path out that's not kinetic. In other words, not violent.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It's not a red on black war or something. It's giving people who want to come forward a path out. and they take it, and it unravels that system, and it gets transformed into another initiative. Those old legacy programs that have been going along without any accountability for 60-plus years, those are put out to pasture and wound down. But it's got to happen that way, or it's going to be a mess.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And arguably more powerful. Oh, way more. Absolutely way more. This is why, you know, it's interesting when Jimmy Carter, you know, I was asked not to tell this story. He's passed away now. He's adjusting your camera. When President Carter was some years ago in Spain signing guitars, it was a classical guitarist who was there, told me this, who's part of our team.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And he said that at the words, it was a fundraiser for the Carter Center. And they were auctioning off these guitars and the president signed them. And at a dinner afterwards, there were a few people there, and someone asked him, they said, sir, what was it like being the most powerful man in the world? And President Carter says, I wasn't that man. And they go, what do you mean?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
He says, well, there are certain things that I had no control over and I wasn't even allowed to know about. And someone giggled, joking, Will you mean things like UFOs? And he said, yes, that and more. So that was, of course, he was president 76, 80. Took off 77, January, left in 81. And Reagan came in. Right. So. Once you understand that, then you go, well, who is minding the store here?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, it's sort of like if you remember a brilliant guy, Senator Inouye of Hawaii, who did the Iran-Contra hearings. And he said, there exists a secret government, shadow government, with its own air force, its own Navy, its own funding mechanism, that's free from the law and above the law itself. I'm paraphrasing, but that clip is in our archive.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And years later, after I did the original Disclosure Project Conference in 2001, an attorney on our team who was then an intern, an undergraduate intern, was met with Senator Inouye, and we had just done the National Press Club event in 2001, right before 9-11. And this attorney, Derek Garcia, has written an affidavit to this effect. He talked to Senator Inouye.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
He says, yes, basically these UFO issues, that's the crown jewel of this shadow secret government operation. And it is above the Constitution and the law, but the kinds of technologies they have I mean, we're not talking about a jet aircraft or a rocket. You know, I tell people rockets were cool up until 1954. So if you think SpaceX rockets all get out, you're only 70 years behind the times, bro.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But let's unpack that. Why? So if you look in our archive, we have a top secret document that was, I believe, accidentally declassified from Canada in the 1970s. It's called the Wilbur Smith document. And it's a top secret document that is from 1950 describing the U.S.-based reverse engineering research projects on extraterrestrial vehicles that were retrieved in the 40s.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So, but that's fact. But this means that you have an organization. You know, some initial, one of the initials on that NRO document was MAGIC, stands for Majority Joint Intelligence Committee, or MAGI, M-A-G-I.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yep. And that's something we have to always – we've had this happen a couple times. Right before we did the meeting for Admiral Wilson, we had a gathering off-site for members of Congress. And the chairman of the House Oversight Committee was there, Dan Burton and all those people. And we found out the night before – And I don't credit myself with this.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
My military advisor, who has to be nameless, and Edgar Mitchell, another person, was sitting at a bar with this guy. And he started telling things that they knew were factually not true. So I got word of that. I was already up in my room and I said, that person is removed. and escorted off the properties immediately, and if necessary, by force.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So that person was ejected from the meeting that was happening the next day with these members of Congress. So yeah, of course, I mean, that's something we always watch for. And I'm not 100%, but I'm certain that what I'm sharing with you about this is true. And I don't rely on one source. So in other words, if something, the crazier the count is,
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
the more I want to hear from multiple corroborating witnesses that don't know each other. So there's no collusion. So that's what we've tried to build with this mosaic, this disclosure mosaic to create the picture. Because you could always have two or three people who work with each other that confabulate the same nonsense, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yeah. A lot of it is there's a we've sort of think reached a breakout reflection point. There are a group of people from a few black sites, very highly classified operations with aerospace and space. And they're beginning to put their toe in the water and put some information out. And these are guys who've been on the crash retrieval teams. And they've been working with me clandestinely for years.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
have to go against the grain here no he's legit no he's he's he's i know his cover i know who he worked for i've been at the facility jake barber and his team and uh fred and and also uh don paul great guys and uh they're not gaslighting anyone now they're not sharing everything either because you know it's dangerous
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But now there's some unsavory people that I think have attached themselves to these guys. You know, the Lou Elizondo crowd and the whole disinformation nexus of retail.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's just wait, it's the way the world works, man. In one part information, nine parts disinformation. Right. One part truth. And by the way, the best disinformation, false information, it's sort of like a poison pill. It's coated in real information and you swallow it and then you're done, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So this technique of counterintelligence, I'm quite versed in and how it operates and how the PSYOP, psychological warfare operations, run these operations on people who are innocent, good people. But Herrera, by the way, had approached me some years ago. And Michael Herrera was a Marine. For people who don't know, you can go to our archive and see this account and the illustration of what he saw.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Can you explain it for people who don't know? Sure. So it was in, I believe, 2009. And he was a young Marine, I think 20 years old. And there was a tsunami and earthquake in Indonesia. And they were on an expeditionary force, a humanitarian mission, to go there and help people out of the Pacific. They were in the Pacific region. And he and five of his platoon buddies went off in a direction.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And it's an authenticated document. And it says a few things. Number one, it says, quote, flying saucers are real. That's what they used to be called before they made up the fake name UFO, UAP. Those were made up. I hate how everyone's calling it NHI all of a sudden. Oh, yeah. We'll get into this. It's the CIA Psychological Warfare Division that has the linguistics department. All right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And in the jungle, there was a clearing. And there was a 300-foot diameter clearing. a man-made UFO, basically octagonal.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Oh, he could tell it was man-made, and it was manned by special operations guys, but in civilian garb. They were told, you know, basically, put down your weapons. They confiscated their weapons. They took their IDs. They threatened to kill them for seeing this. And one of the things he saw... They're trying to kill their own U.S. Marines. Well, they're not their own.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
This is this shadow secret government. Right, right, okay. I mean, those are the real people committing treason and are traitors. And yes, they'll kill their own. I mean, look at Jonathan Wigand's testimony when he was in the Peruvian-Bolivian border where we shot down an ET craft.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And he and his guys came across it first, and the security people who were in there to retrieve it said, you talk about this, we'll throw you out of the helicopter, and they'll never find you in the jungle.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
so this happens all the time they do kill their own people but they're not their own people they're americans though right yeah they're americans but it's you know these are people who are running a criminal enterprise the biggest you know think of the mafia it's the largest criminal organization on the planet so you know when the fbi is ready and wants to grow up and be serious they have a real target here with technology that very few human beings can comprehend so the other thing that michael herrera saw was this crate
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And it looked like it had like a little oxygen and HVAC mini portable unit on it. And he thought they were running drugs. And it turned out, because Jake was at this conference to try to bump witnesses and see who needed to be turned over for either wet works or arrest, he heard this. And, of course, he immediately texted me.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
he has my number and he we went to the green jake did yeah and his security guy so he knew you oh yeah but he was going to your conference to subvert some of your witnesses well that's what his job was it was to find and stop leaks and find out if i had the panasonic tough book that had gone missing out of one of these corporations i know which one it is
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
that had all this intel on it because I received stuff all the time, right? And he thought maybe I had it. Now, I didn't know that's why he was there, right? And prior to that, I had had a meeting with one of his security people at a bar near Langley and near CIA, Tyson's Corner in Virginia.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And he gave me a little thumb drive that was like a 10-page description of his involvement and what he was doing. And he subsequently, a month or two later, came June 2023 to this Disclosure Project conference and press conference we did where Herrera and some other whistleblowers were speaking. But he immediately said, I need to see you. So I go back to the green room.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And he says, that isn't drugs. Those are people. And so what they were doing, the way they get their psionic and other staff, let's call it, at these underground facilities – Let's say there's a terrible disaster or war-torn area and people are desperate. And they're not kidnapped per se, but it's under duress. They're basically told, you can either come with us and be part of our program.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Look, I started briefing the director of the CIA in 1993.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I'll describe it in a moment. Or you can stay here and die. You choose. Now, I wouldn't call that a very – but this is how it – this is brutal stuff, right? Oh, yeah. And that's what was in those crates. These are people. And they were people who were candidates for being – How did they discern what kind of people they need? They were looking for people with a certain demographic –
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
that they felt would have a high psionic capability. Am I correct in saying they were children? They were children. They were women. Somehow there's a tendency for left-handedness for that ability and gay and bisexual men. So that's who they were looking for because – like Ingo Swann was – I knew him very well. Ingo was – and he was a gay guy – brilliant remote viewer. So, and who cares?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Right here. So look at this big stack of documents we got here.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I mean, people get hung up on that. It's like, if you're gay, raise your hand. If you're left-handed, like, we need you. No, no, they don't do it that way. Let's not be silly. But I mean, they will scope out and then they'll say, and of course it's a rough sort of assessment. They're then crated up, taken to a facility.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And the ones that pass muster for their psi capabilities, psionic psychic capabilities, go through a program. Now, a lot of those end up dying because they're put on drugs, dopamine, electromagnetic enhancement. So many end up dying or put in comas and dying.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yeah. Well, I mean, it is what it is. So the big problem became once they realized what they had. Right. And people were seeing these things because once we started detonating atomic bombs and then the thermonuclear weapons, these civilizations from out there came in, you know, like it was like a homing signal. And here's why.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And for training to be psionic hijackers of ET craft. This is the next part of it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I don't have the whole protocol. I just know that they were dopamine-related and also there were electromagnetic systems. And there were a lot of bad outcomes. But the ones who passed through it have an extraordinary capability, but it's an enhanced. So basically the way they described it to me is that you have the people who are the operators, say the regular human covert folks.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
These people are – humans that are sort of machine tools that are then used to then tap into the guidance and control systems of these ET craft because they're using what I just described, technology-assisted consciousness, where you think to it. You see these accounts of the ET standing there touching something. They just think, and it goes there. So, okay, I know this is getting out there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
No, it's not. The crazy thing is it makes sense. Oh, it totally makes sense. And, of course, this goes back to my 1973 experience with the ETs where I knew this is what they were using. So, and I believe that's why in 1992 General Stubblebine personally offered me $2 billion to be part of his little freak show, by the way. What? Yeah. I said, no, gracias.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, because I'm not a corrupt person.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I save lives for a living. I don't want to be part of a cabal of sociopaths and psychopaths destroying the planet, right? What did he say you had to do for the $2 billion? I'd be part of his team, a senior member of his team because of my abilities and also being a doctor with these capabilities. And who was he exactly?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
He had been head of ENSCOM, and he was head of Army Intelligence, and General Albert Stubblebind III. And Burt approached me, and then I said, no, no, but hell no. And then he went to my wife. We're about to have our 46th anniversary, and he tried to sweet-talk her into this madness. And she thought he was very nice. I said, no, devils speak with forked tongue. And what did he do?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Why was he such an evil person? Oh, he was part of that whole group of folks. He's passed away, but he was part of the same kind of group of people like Colonel Alexander and Elizondo. They're all part of that whole operation. They have different roles, but his role was to interface from that black illegal program world with the UFO subculture back then. This is like 33 years ago, right? Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
When you detonate an atomic weapon or a thermonuclear weapon, which is a hydrogen bomb, a fusion bomb as opposed to fission, what you get is an electromagnetic pulse. But embedded in that is what's called a scalar signal, like Tesla talked about. And that is not a waveform.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yes, but also be part of that operational team is what I think in terms of these capabilities. Because he knew that we had done – he approached me right after there was proof that our CE-5 contact had worked. And there were these four ET craft that appeared here in Florida outside Pensacola. So that is when he surfaced exactly then. Now, of course, everyone makes fun of us for doing that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Oh, it's Ouija board stuff. I said, like, the hell it is. You think these civilizations are using your iPhone? You know, why would they be using 20th century and early 21st century communications technologies? They're using stuff like Elon would like to do, Musk would like to do with Neuralink, except without the wires, right? Not at the speed of light, at the speed of thought. Like that. Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Instant. So that program has been in development for decades, but it reached the level of success, let's call it. I mean, if you can call hijacking E.T. craft and then blowing them out of the sky with electromagnetic pulse weapons, which are illegal, by the way.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Look, you know, I mean, I'm not rich, but I'm comfortable as a doctor. I don't need that, and I've never had aspirations for that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, that's the joke. I mean, you know, I bootstrapped this whole effort for 35 years with a handful of people and no office and, you know, a couple – you know, some volunteers and one and a half staff members and my wife and me. So I said, oh yeah, if I were at, you know, if I were that guy, I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be doing this, you know.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
No, never, never, never. Because then you're, you're, you're, you're owned. You're, you're, you're an owned asset. I value my Freedom. I value my freedom more than I value all the money on earth. Did he offer it in payments or was it like an upfront lump sum?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
No, the way he described it is that after the Cold War ended and the Soviet Union was falling apart in the late 80s, early 90s, that they had seized a bunch of assets in Eastern Europe and they had a slush fund and that I would have control and access of that. And it was a lot of money. And look, the kind of black budget money these guys have, it's enormous.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
There's another guy who told me in 93, a couple months before I briefed the CIA director, and he was technically involved with the UFO subculture, but he was a tech guy who was embedded with this shadow government. And he said, look – We have given at least 10,000 people $10 million apiece or more to secure their cooperation with what we're doing. And then he made another offer to me.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
like a sine wave it's a point that goes out in a straight line at multiples of the speed of light it disrupts interstellar communications and transport so there was it was a bit like kicking a hornet's nest right because uh not that they were hostile towards us but they were concerned like what is going on in this little corner of the cosmos so that was the whole modern era of these although they've been seen for thousands of years
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And this was about a year and a half after General Stubblebine. So I said, no, thank you. I don't want to go that route. I want to stay independent and free. I would imagine the disinfo people –
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Have you ever seen the documentary unacknowledged that we did? It's had about 800, 900 million people see it. I don't think I've seen that one, no. I watched Sirius. Unacknowledged is the one that prompted them to shove Elizondo out into the public from his counterintelligence operation at the Pentagon. It's had well over 800 million people see it. And in that, we interview Mr. Doty.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And he admits to carrying bags of cash to people.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I've seen this clip. And he also admits that there were abduction programs that we were doing. But then he got really scared. He said, I can't talk about that. Right. But I have multiple people who confirm that. Now, we also have a book in 92 that Jacques Vallée wrote, who's a very well-known researcher on this. He's an astronomer, astrophysicist, I think.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And he admits to having a document from the CIA from 1985. Chafale?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And go look at it. This is in the briefing where he admits that this document he has. He won't release that. I think he's been threatened. And it talks about the agency, the CIA going down to Argentina and Brazil, abducting peasants, making it look like aliens were abducting them using these advanced technology systems for, and I'm quoting, psychological warfare value.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So imagine how easy, it's like taking candy from a baby. in the amateur UFO research subculture to stage this stuff and get everyone on Twitter talking about how the aliens did X, Y, and Z. And they're staging, it's called stagecraft. I know what the technologies are. I have debriefed people who are operational on the manmade UFOs doing it. The cattle mutilations have nothing to do with ETs.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It's all us. That we can prove.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, that's one operation. There's another operation to get substrate material, biological growth material for their little weird gray and other reptilian looking, the man-made ETs, right? Because some of them are not just robotic. Some are. But the more advanced ones are sort of what they call bio-nanomachines. So they have a biological and a technological component. But they're man-made.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And people go, this sounds too far out. I say, but wait. Imagine what kind of, you know, if you have that kind of mad scientist mentality. It's like Dr. Strangelove. And you've got the virtually limitless funding, black budget and otherwise, criminal, drug running, everything. And you've got...
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
ET technologies that you're studying for decades, you're gonna be able to come out with a whole constellation of dirty tricks to fool people.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But once we got to the nuclear threshold, we crossed the Rubicon here. All right. A red line went over. And so this is why they're seen all over the place near nuclear installations and nuclear ships that are carrying or big carriers that have nuclear weapons on them. Yeah. I know many officers who had these craft around them checking that out. even nuclear power plants.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But that's common. And then all you have to do is have someone write, you know, an alien harvest like Linda Mouton Howell, or you have people write abduction books. And what's interesting, the very people who are setting this up will guide those victims. And they are victims. I'm not saying these abduction people aren't real. They have been victimized.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But they haven't been taken by extraterrestrials. They've been taken by covert human special operations made to look alien. So it's a lookalike, right? So those programs They sell.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And the media, which is as corrupt as anything you can imagine, the legacy media, you know, a lot of those people, they're, you know, like I will be absolutely not only shadow banned but banned to tell the truth on a lot of media. Whereas if you're going forward telling a lie, boom, you're on 60 Minutes. Boom, you're on –
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
That's true because the big media is, I think, probably more corrupt than any other institution in the United States or the world in being controlled by these interests.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
They're Knox. They have a non-official cover. By day and public persona, they're a media person. They're actually working with the agency or some other entity that's part of this compartmented shadow government. And I know people like that. I mean, probably if I had taken the money, I would have been one of those guys, right? So that's how that works. And
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But it makes one of the problems with Washington is everyone's so busy doing a million different things. They have 99 things to do every day. And this thing, as you pointed out at the beginning, and you're right, is such a confusing mess of conflicting information that they just go, I don't want to hear it. It's too complicated. But that is part of the reason they've made it complicated.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It's obfuscating. It hides it. Yeah, exactly. By making it just incomprehensible. It's impossible to know what's real. So we have to make it understandable. I liken this to the epiphany moment in The Wizard of Oz when Dorothy and whoever, the scarecrow, and they pull back the curtain. And there's this old crud mudgeon pulling the levers, right? That's what this is.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So part of what we have to do is not just say – Here's the evidence for NHI craft and people, extraterrestrial craft and people. But here's the other part of it. Here's the dominant information, disinformation, that's out in ufology, in the media, in documentaries, in films and books, has actually been staged by the very people trying to keep it secret.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So there's a big danger with that nuclear system and how it pertains to not only the future of the Earth, which they have an interest in, these civilizations, the ET ones, but they also are concerned about what happens when a civilization at our level of social and spiritual development, which ain't great, has these kind of technologies and start going out into space.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So that you're looking over here and not the truth. And they're very good at doing this.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, and the early abductions in the late 50s, early 60s, they had the man-made UFOs. And they had some guys, very short stature, were not quite looking normal. And they're kind of like Hollywood. You can make a guy look like Darth Vader or whatever. They had that stagecraft. And it was incredibly convincing.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Because even now, now you look at one of our witnesses, whistleblowers who came forward a year and a half ago, Stephen Digna. He was at Fort Irwin, California in 2000. And he was called out by some Raytheon guys to look at some objects that were out over the range. And they had to cancel their live fire exercises because of this. And it was a triangular object.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Not quite equilateral, more of a pointed triangular craft. And they didn't know he picked up a pair of night vision scopes. And he looked at it. He saw the detail on it. And then he saw that there were several others that were holographic projections of the real one. And so it looked like there was a fleet of them. Yeah. And this is how you stage a fake alien attack.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It's very similar. And so they were very upset that he figured that out. Right. And the Raytheon guys, a few days later, abducted him and his wife on coming back from a movie, back to the base on this road out in California, a remote road. And anyone who would have seen that craft and what happened would have sworn it was an alien vehicle. And it was Raytheon. Now, he suffered terrible damages.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
He's very damaged. He's very sick. So, you know, that is what happens if you get too close to the truth. And he's an incredibly sweet man, very courageous. He's totally telling the truth. But I would say if you took a million people on Earth and showed them that craft, that Raytheon object craft in 2000, this is 25 years ago, right? Right. I don't think one person would think that it was man-made.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And this is a problem for the national security system. Council and the president, because everyone assumes that what I'm telling you, they know. They don't. If you've seen the documentary Unacknowledged, you know more about this subject than virtually anyone in the US Congress, except the bad apples who are on the payroll of the shadow secret government. So this is a problem.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I mean, if you want to live in a free society and a democracy, you can't have something this important you know, completely ignored by your elected officials.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, that's, that's now you, you're very smart because you've just hit the nail on the coffin. What keeps me up at night, um, is, and that's why I don't trust any of these whistleblowers. Cause I don't, I don't think, well, I know the ones I know and, and, uh,
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So it coincided shortly within 10, 15 years of detonating the first atomic bomb in 1945. By 1957, the Soviets had put Sputnik up. And so they knew that we were going to be outward looking going into space.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Now, someone like Mr. Grush, he was telling 100% the truth until he started telling tall tales that were being fed to him by Lou Elizondo, right? About how the aliens had blown up villages in, I don't know, South America or someplace. Elizondo told him that? Yeah. So he fell into that disinformation trap along with the information trap. But a lot of people do that. And why?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Because those guys will say, hey, I can get you a $10 million Booker movie deal and I can get you on 60 Minutes. So, you know, there are advantages to going with those folks as opposed to doing it. Let's call it clean because doing it clean is a hard path. I mean, you know, I. You know, it's been a big struggle for me and my family. And, you know, you have all kinds of problems because of it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But I don't regret it. I mean, I wouldn't do anything different at all. But it's dangerous and it's very ungratifying. From a personal point of view, nobody would do it, except I feel that this is something, if this doesn't get resolved properly, what Wernher von Braun warned about, right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
He said, look, the whole plan is to stage an alien threat so we can unite the world around this sort of fascist idea. totalitarian, militaristic sort of thing. It's like the movie Independence Day, right? And Will Smith, let's go kick alien butt. And you see the Arabs and every party in the world united to fight the aliens. So that's right out of CIA PSYOP scripting. And guess what?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
99% of legacy ufology, that's the narrative. There are the good aliens and the bad ones. So it's Star Wars, right? It's all that narrative. And I go, at least members of Congress are saying, look, if these civilizations were hostile, given that their technologies are hundreds of thousands of years more advanced than ours, we'd be gone. We'd be a charcoal briquette floating through space.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Now, do they have, this is not to say, I'm not naive. This is not to say that those civilizations don't have some self-interest. Because what would you think? I mean, just put yourself in the shoes and through the eyes of an ET. You come across this planet. And in a few decades, it goes from, you know, muskets and machine guns to thermonuclear weapons.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
To very advanced electromagnetic weapons, including the so-called scalar ones that are knocking ET craft down. And then the same group going off the reservation of any controls reverse engineers your ET technologies and start using it against you. Got it? That's the crisis that no one's talking about.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And, you know, Jake and people like him will say, you know, it's at the point now where they just say AT, the advanced technologies humans have. to most people on earth would be indistinguishable from an ET vehicle or an HI craft. And there's a big risk there because number one, they could stage a false flag attack and everyone would think it was alien, which is what their plan is.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Coordinated by who? by the same people who are trying to be sure that when this comes out this year and next, that it's done with the specter of fear. We don't know. People look at the sky, so I'm afraid.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Oh, no. I know a team that was under contract with Lockheed Martin that has some images of some of this stuff. And some of them are pretty amazing. And some of the daytime ones that they've captured Now, they're not extraterrestrial. They're our advanced stuff. But again, and some have said, well, these are originated from China.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But that's a misnomer because this shadow government entity is transnational. You can label whatever country you want. It doesn't matter. It operates. When I was the first time I went to meet with the latest efforts about three years ago, at the Senate Intelligence Committee SCIF. And I went in there and I said, see that map of the world?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Erase all the geopolitical boundaries, like the boundary between Canada, United States or Mongolia and China or whatever. This organization, the world is their oyster. They don't care about that. So now the truth is people like Jake Barber and his guys are patriots who got stuck in that system, as I said. And they deserve a clean path out, a safe path out. And that's what has to happen.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, I think that what I have found is people evolve. I mean, let's just say, whether you want to call it spiritual or socially, psychologically, you develop compassion. You develop empathy. You develop a longer-range vision than the next quarterly report, right? In other words, you have a view. So you take on a long-range view.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
That's got to happen from the Congress and from the president's executive orders, which I've seen some drafts of those. And they're in here. Their recommendations are in here for what those need to be. And they need to be done yesterday. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yeah, and he's the only guy who I've ever heard about who saw something like that and was not killed. Really? Only survived. His guys, yes. Absolutely. It was a miracle he wasn't killed. And I told him that. I said, you have no idea how rare it is for someone like you, a kid 20 years old, seeing something like that, for them not to just erase you.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, not just the eggs, it's all different types of craft. And, but it's not, it's more than just summon. So let me be a little, let me unpack this a little more. Okay. Years ago, you heard about this weird looking drone that kind of looked like a UFO that the Iranians were able to break into its guidance system and land and then study to reverse engineer it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Oh, it was on the media. But if you look into that. Steve, maybe you can find it. What year? I can't remember. It was an Iranian, Iranian drone that was caught. No hours that they intercepted and hijacked it basically by wire. I ran did. Yes. And landed it at a base in Iran and then studied the reverse engineer. You got to find this shit, dude. Yeah. But that it, it, it was a drone.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It was not a UFO, but it was looked weird. It was a very unusual shape. And, uh, Now imagine being able to do that with this, instead of guide by wire, right? Right there, U.S. drone recovered by Iran 2011. I'm sure there have been multiple.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Okay. My point in this is that this sort of nonsense happens all the time. My point of it is... They were able to break into the encrypted, hardened guidance system because these are all flown, a lot of them out of Nellis or bases out in the desert underground. And they're unmanned, but they're on the other side of the world. But they were able to break into that system.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
the command and control guidance and land it. They didn't crash it. Now, did they do that with this consciousness stuff? No, no, they didn't. I'm using this as an analogy if I can get through my sentence. So that's an analogy. Now, imagine having an interstellar vehicle, an H.I. craft. And their technologies are consciousness-thought interfacing.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And I think those civilizations, some of them may have come our way before and faced near extinction level events. Or they've seen other civilizations come and go that have, you know, blown themselves up or become a problem. So I think there's a big, let's call it cosmic institutional memory out there. And there's nothing new under the suns. This has probably happened before.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So you train these people to basically hack into their guidance system when no one's looking, and you hijack it. Instead of landing it, you bring it over to an area. Sometimes you can land the ET craft, but often what they do is they hit it with an electromagnetic pulse weapon, and it either is disabled and falls to the ground, or it's blown to pieces.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Now, what I was getting ready to tell you is that in these same areas, they'll put up a TFR, which is basically a temporary flight restriction area over an area of space, airspace. If there is a civilian aircraft that strays into that and they're using these electromagnetic pulse weapons, they will blow the innocent civilian Cessna out of the sky. And I know this for a fact.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Sometimes the electromagnetic pulse goes outside the TFR and hits a totally aircraft that was trying to stay out of the TFR. So now we have over a continental United States, a real threat to air traffic, which are always blaming it on the aliens.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
No, the real threat to air traffic are the manmade UFOs and these sort of operations that were, because these are not always done over permanent flight restriction areas like a top secret Air Force base. They're done in these other places, right? So this is a real problem. I brought it up to officials in Washington. And what's astounding to me, I want to vent a little bit here.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
You know, I've been blowing the whistle on this nonsense since 93. And you always wonder, I think we have something called the FBI or law enforcement. Now, we can prove through our direct witnesses Kidnapping, murder, treason, killing innocent civilians like I just described, embezzlement of U.S.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
federal dollars into black projects without oversight and oversight of the president or Congress, on and on. Half the federal penal code – has been, is being violated by this organization. And it's precisely where is the Congress and the White House and the FBI. So now that we have a new administration and a new Congress, and this is all beginning to come out, I think that the public listening
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either contact their senators and House member and the White House and say, look, we need to get this resolved. But you need to enforce the law and protect, you know, the American democracy, but also the American public. And that's not happening yet. And so that group goes unchecked while these terrible atrocities keep going now.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
What I would like to see happen is that those operations get wound down peacefully because there's, as I mentioned earlier, a glide path out to basically transform that mess into something that's forward-looking. And I think all the whistleblowers I know, that's what they want to see because an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And if you go kinetic, if you go into a violent confrontation with – An organization that have assets that are way beyond anything, as Admiral Wilson said, that they can deploy, it's not going to be good.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I know exactly. And now I'm advising a group. That has been asked to do exactly that if it comes to it. And I don't want to talk about operational details about it. A U.S. military group? I won't talk about what agency or what entity it is. Okay. But it's a SAP. It's TSSCI, Top Secret Special Convertment Information. And I've been asked to provide everything I can, and I will, and I have been.
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But I also think they see the goodness in humanity, the capacity for creativity or exploration for intelligence, even very high levels of spiritual consciousness. So, it's not as if they view us all as so dimly.
Danny Jones Podcast
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I've been doing this for 30-some years. But now we have a critical mass of people who have details. I mean, you talked about some of the whistleblowers that are still behind the curtain that could be brought in and who know of multiple places. There was one gentleman –
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
who was about to come forward and he got threatened, but he was read into 18 unacknowledged special access projects dealing with this. He had baseline clearance across 18 of them in a top-secret Pentagon office. So we have people like that. They're living – They need to be protected.
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#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
He's afraid of not only being killed but his pension being erased because he signed an 80-year nondisclosure agreement that said that if he ever discussed any of this, that he would lose his freedom but also his pension. And he's getting up in years. He has some war injuries. He's a hero. And I can't – what I never do is just shove someone like that out.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I mean, I'm a doctor, so it's like a doctor-patient confidentiality. But at a certain point, the people who can protect people like him have a legal –
Danny Jones Podcast
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obligation i will say that given what is in here that the unredacted part what people can get is the has redacted like this guy's name's redacted um but there is a dereliction of duty here if they don't deal with this and i think the american public they need to hear i've had so many members of congress and the senate say we really need to hear from our constituents on this right
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#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Now, people are so apathetic. They just think everything happens by itself. No, it doesn't. You got to create a movement. So I'm sort of an activist that way. You got to have people say, look, we want this resolved. We want this fixed yesterday. But we also want to bring out the technologies that would save the biosphere and eliminate poverty.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So imagine, I don't think the things that are flying at 200,000 miles per hour should come out right now that are man-made because that's a missile delivery system. You don't want every terrorist in Mogadishu having that to, boom, do something over downtown L.A.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But the things that would sit on your table here and run this building from what's called the zero-point or quantum vacuum energy, that needs to come out. And that would then give us a civilization without pollution and without poverty within – certainly your lifetime, maybe not mine because I'm almost 70 in June, but it would be an amazing leap forward.
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#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And so I think my four daughters and 12 grandkids would actually have a planet to live on instead of it just being ruined by these 1800s technologies we're using. So that is the big piece of it. And let's call it the big piece of it and of this all coming out, Danny, is that imagine a civilization that, without pollution and where your energy needs are met without cost.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I think they see the promise, but they see right now this little window of time in the last hundred years or so where we're, on the one hand, technologically advanced enough to destroy ourselves. And I'll get to this in a moment, potentially threaten other worlds with technologies that we've developed from reverse engineering, extraterrestrial transport systems.
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#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Once you have a, be like a heat pump or something smaller, provide all the energy for your car or your business or your house and with no bill, no electric bill. The problem with that, and this is what Patrick David said the other day to me, he said, no one wants that to come out because there goes trillions of dollars in assets, right? All the public utilities don't need them.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
All the oil, gas, coal, nuclear power don't need them. An electric plug-in car like a Tesla don't need it. So, well, you could use the electric motor part, but those 900 pounds of lithium-ion batteries don't need it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, again, the anti-gravity technology really can't come out right yet, but the other can. The zero point energy. The zero point, what I call the station, basically a power plant that generates energy. But you don't want something that's flying at that kind of maneuverability in the hands of unstable failed states and whatnot.
Danny Jones Podcast
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Now, I always point out to people, the worst people in the world have that technology now because these are rogue shadow government operators that are doing all these terrible things. And I think they have more terrible things they're planning to do, which I don't want to go into. But I think we ain't seen nothing yet from that crowd.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, I'm not so sure of that because we have interviewed people who are now deceased who handled the bodies. And they most certainly were not that. So now, have there been events like that? Yes. And we've confirmed that Russia and probably China did. have these same technologies. And have they done stagecraft and hoax things? Very likely. But see, a one-source account, I know the EG&G folks.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
One of the Gs is Greer. I'm not related, just on the record. But, you know, again, a one-source account No. But, you know, if you look at the people who were there at the retrieval site or the one that was not blown to smithereens. That was no man-made object. But in 1947, the only thing we had that would have been electro-gravitic were ones that were unstable.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So what was called the disk that we brought over from Nazi Germany at the end of the war – That was not stable. And if you look at some of the old UFO home movies and you see it looks like they're falling like a leaf like this, those are early man-made ones that didn't have the gyro, let's say, or the stable. They had not mastered the gravity control. That was 54, late 1954. So...
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Those craft would be very not that stable. But they were man-made. But if you look on the inside of them, you know, like what's called the ARV that Brad Sorensen saw. Yeah. And Mark McCandlish, who's passed away, illustrated for us and got the sort of good concept of the schematics. All the interior... components, and this is late 50s, early 60s, were Mercury era components when you looked at it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But we're also not socially and spiritually evolved enough to not blow ourselves to smithereens. So that is exactly the sweet spot or let's call it the dangerous spot. Hmm. of where a civilization could go sideways very badly. And we're there. We've been there since the mid 20th century.
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#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Now it was electro-gravitic, it had gone out in the space before we landed on the moon, but it wasn't interstellar. And certainly if it came to ground, it would be obvious it was man-made components like right away. So I point out to people, One of the big confusions here is, and it makes it easy once you understand there's the man-made and there's the non-human ET.
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#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But if you don't, and in here is a number of craft that are illustrated and they're side by side where you see a man-made one versus an ET one. But I will say- Can I see that one? Well, I'd have to flip, we'd be flipping around. So was Roswell man-made or was it ET? Yeah.
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#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
The one that's the famous case, and I think there may have been some cover cases that are mixed up, the 1945 White Sands event and that Roswell event were E.T. There were, obviously, if you're out in that area, this is where you would be testing your prototype. So if we already had, remember, the B. Phil Brown effect from the 1920s to 40s.
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#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And then we get the Nazi disk that was brought over by the billionaire Paul Mellon and General Patton and Allen Dulles. And it was a lot more advanced than anything we had in terms of gravity, stability. And that's 45. So you can imagine in the 40s into the early 50s, There had been a number of these that would malfunction, go down.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
They wouldn't want people to know that we're working on that technology. And there would be love for people to think it was alien or ET. So I think that, again, when you start getting into this sort of puzzle palace of information disinformation, you have to first have a sort of a guidebook. And I liken this to being a doctor and having what we call differential diagnosis.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So, you know, someone comes in with chest pain. So a stupid doctor is going to say, oh, it's automatically a heart attack. When it could be dozens of things. It could be a dissecting thoracic aneurysm. It could be pleurisy. It could be a pulmonary embolus. It could be a strained muscle. So I think what's happening with the UFO subculture, they try to make everything one thing. And it isn't.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It's several things going on simultaneously and being mixed up deliberately by very masterful counterintelligence and disinformation folks. Yeah. And they're very good at it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Right. One of the protocols, if you get the app, it's CE5 contact app. Anybody can get it. And part of the training, and when we're doing these sort of psi, remote viewing contact, we let them know that they should only appear in any way that is safe and appropriate for that time, place, and group, and that the Earth has a lot of systems
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Do you think there's any chance that these things are, or what do you make of the theory that these are future humans? Well, I think there have been some encounters that are our descendants from the future. So I think we have to be careful here. I think of a – let's say a species evolves for half a million years and becomes space-faring. Evolution doesn't stand still.
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that can pick them up when they come out of, let's call it trans-dimensional space-time into 3D. So if you're, let's say you're an ET craft, you could be totally invisible to all sensors because you can shift, let's say, the resonant frequency of that whole craft and everyone. I can shift out of this dimension into 3D. of a higher frequency. So it's not 3D. But then it can pop into 3D.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
This is why people see them materialize and dematerialize. And when they're in the non-3D form, so they're not... Yeah. You're not going to be able to strike them and down them as easily.
Danny Jones Podcast
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This is why we have so many weird phenomenon. You know, it's funny. The CIA has a term WSFM. It stands for weird science and frickin' magic. An engineer I knew at Northrop Grumman just calls it pure fucking magic, PFM. And so when you start getting into either the high end of the electronics that are man-made or the interstellar extraterrestrial manifestations and phenomenon –
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
You're dealing with some very strange stuff, right? And you would expect that. But it's not what people expect when they usually get introduced to this idea. So we make it very clear to these visitors that there are satellites that have what are called neutrino light detectors on them that started in the 70s. They can pick them up when they drop out of space.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Let's call it trans-dimensional higher frequency into 3D. Boom. It's a signature. So there's a neutrino light scatter that happens. And there are Earth-based sensors. There are space-based and aircraft. And so they'll pick these objects up and then they'll then triangulate them. and hit them with one of these electromagnetic or scalar weapons.
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#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So because we're doing this, it's very different from what was going on that Jake Barber talked about. We're not luring them over so we can hit them and kill them and reverse engineer their stuff. We're doing it as sort of ambassadors, as it will, as civilian ambassadors from humans to them. So we're for peaceful contact. We're not doing it to get rich quick and make another widget.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Are there beings inside these things? Yes. Not all of them. I mean, some are unmanned and some have the equivalent of an Android drone that's ET because, you know, they know how dangerous Earth is.
Danny Jones Podcast
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About 18 months, I think, something like that, or 20 months. And that team is just starting to come out with a little bit of information, but they have an enormous amount more. And what they're trying to do is get the U.S. government to finally set up the protective mechanisms so a whole bunch of these high-value targets, HVT whistleblowers, can come forward.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
No, they don't. Because if they're assigned to do something about the situation here, they need a point of contact, right? I mean, stop for a minute. The reason I started this whole project in 1990 was not the Disclosure Project. That was an accidental outgrowth of the main project. It started with CE5. It started with CE5 contact.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And the reason for that was that I realized that it was either in complete denial of our society, our media, or most people in the government, or we were targeting them and killing them. There was no one on the earth setting up, let's call it, a peaceful outreach that would be, let's just say...
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an ambassador level where you're just willing to be someone who does this out of goodwill to establish the beginnings of a relationship between humans and these other civilizations. And I realized no one was doing that. And so that's why I started this whole organization in 1990. It was not to do the Disclosure Project. I kind of got dragged
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And so they could evolve to something that would look like a non-human species. An extraterrestrial being, but have been descended, but 20,000 generations ago. And certainly that's possible. I think that that's probably what happened at Rendlesham Forest, Bentwaters. You mean 20,000 generations in the future? Yes, from 500,000 years in the future. Right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
kicking and screaming into that once I realized that, you know, like most people, they think that the president and the Congress are in control of all these covert programs and they know what's going on. When I realized how dangerous this organization is that was had gone completely off the leash of any oversight.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
That's when I started doing the disclosure project, but that's not what I was mainly interested.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, we just do it as just a reminder because we don't want... to be responsible for the loss of life, whether it be human or ET. So, you know, I'm a doctor, so above all, do no harm, right? I mean, you know, the saying that doctors are supposed to live up to. So we don't want to set up a situation. And so it's not to say we think they're not monitoring this. It's just to remind them.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And also don't be so willing to do something in this dimension because we're wanting this, right? Because humans are really wanting, the ones that come on these events with me, they really want to make, there are a lot of people who are very pure hearted about it. They're not all just jerks, right? Out there. We have wonderful people, millions of people who have been doing CE5 now. I mean,
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
William Shatner got it and then went up in that space thing and all these people. And so what we're wanting to do is show these civilizations there's another side of humanity that isn't a warmongering bunch of jerks wanting to blow them out of the sky, right? But who is doing that? The State Department? The UN? No.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So I liken this to back in the Cold War when there were physicians for social responsibility who were doctors going over to the old Soviet Union to try to create a rapprochement and a dialogue, right? Just take this on a cosmic level to where there should be humans.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
reaching out to these civilizations for not some ulterior motive to get their goodies and get rich or turn them into a weapon system or blow them out of the sky, but because there's an opportunity coming up for humans to be part of a larger cosmic family or whatever you want to call it. So what kind of communication are you having when you're summoning these beings? We don't summon them.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
The King of England would summon a valet.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I know Jake uses that term, and it's appalling. You should never use that term. What do you use? We invite them. Okay. You summon your Uber driver, right? I mean, this is disrespectful. It's completely disrespectful. Okay. Look, look, look. Words matter. Sure. Right? Yes, they do matter. I agree. So what are words?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Words are expressions verbally of the thought, and the thought is expression of the consciousness behind it. So we do not call or summon them. We invite them with a sense of the equality that exists between all intelligent life.
Danny Jones Podcast
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In other words, even if they're very different from us, they may have much higher IQs, more advanced technologically, but at the level of what Erwin Schrodinger talked about, the singularity of mind, of consciousness, and that's a universal constant. On that level, they're awake, we're awake. And so the light of awareness from my eyes, yours, and an ET's, it's the same.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Because they've done studies. Consciousness is in fact a singularity. It's not divisible. We divide it by our egos, right? But in reality, on a higher level of understanding, it's a singularity. So that is where we come together. This is why our motto is one universe, one people. That within the universe, at that level of consciousness and mind, We're all one people.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And so that's why I don't like the term alien, which means foreign, right? I like the term, you know, people. People say, what do you call them? I say, oh, they're non-human people. They're extraterrestrial people. Now the trick here, and this is where it gets very complicated for some people.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And from some of the military guys who were there where this object landed in early 80s in England, there's pretty good indication that there was some contact that happened. It was psionic, telepathic, that they were us from half a million years in the future. And it was a pyramid-shaped onyx-looking black – like black onyx-looking object. Very well-documented case.
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is that a lot of people will do something like that and they'll bump into something from another dimension, right? Like an angel or a demon or whatever, but that's not extraterrestrial. So this is where you get into this, you know, Tucker Carlson. He got gas lit by a lot of these Intel folks who told them that the aliens are demons.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, the reason he was gaslit was because they were preying on his valid Christian beliefs. I'm not questioning that at all. But this sort of cosmology that is known within many traditional circles, they wanted to conflate that. With Alien. And it's easy to do because that is another special operations capability.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And that is to use very powerful electromagnetic systems to create phenomenon like you see at Skinwalker or Bradshaw Ranch. We know how they're doing it. I know who's doing it. I know what the electronics are. Now there's an innate phenomenon that was there, but then those both sides were taken over by covert human black operations.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It is literally to demonize non-human existence so we can have war. See, everything tracks to the fear factor, right? Everything tracks back to... How do you create an enemy? So if you're wanting to aggrandize the military industrial super complex on an international level, the card that has to be eventually played, which is what Wernher von Braun warned about, will be this alien threat card.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And so you can do it in a lot of way. If you're talking to someone who's religious, Relate it to demons. If you're talking to someone who's conventional geopolitical, they're a national security threat or air safety threat. If you want to relate it, whatever it is. So they have scripts and narratives to sort of affect.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And what they do is they do an analysis of your own psychology and belief system and they target it. So it was interesting when I was at the Vatican.
Danny Jones Podcast
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Yes. And it's curated. It's tailored for that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And I was at the Vatican some years ago when Pope John Paul was the pope. I met with Monsignor Balducci. You may have heard of him. He was a... senior theologian to the Pope and very interested in this issue of ETs and UFOs. And ironically, he was also a demonologist at the Vatican. He was.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yeah, I mean, it was interesting. And of course, you know, not my cup of tea, I mean, whatever, whatever fires your rockets. But I was at his apartments overlooking, you know, St. Peter's.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And he's turned to me, he says, you know... neither demons nor angels require flying saucers. And it was such a quaint, succinct way of putting it. And I go, yeah, of course. So he was talking about all this disinformation and fear mongering, because that's how you control a populace. You have to create fear and a narrative, and then you get people to buy into it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yes, but he's also been intercepted by Jim Simivan, who's a CIA operative.
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#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But the – eventually the Ministry of Defense in the United Kingdom – I went over there and met with them back in 93. And shortly after that, they did declassify some of their information on it. So my understanding is that might have been. But still, in a sense, they were extraterrestrial, but they weren't from this particular time space. So it gets into how you define that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I agree. And here's the problem. Anything that is of an extraterrestrial phenomenon can be simulated by these covert humans. And so all of it, the orbs, the craft, all manner of phenomenon. So people are grossly underestimating covert human capabilities, which is why we go out and when we're doing CE5 contact with a high index of suspicion and skepticism,
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It's like, is that ET or is that stagecraft? Because I know in great detail what those capabilities are. And so someone who hasn't studied that, and I have the advantage of having debriefed nearly a thousand of these whistleblowers who have been in corporations. But I think this is why I'm trying to share this with the public as succinctly as I can, even though it's a complicated topic.
Danny Jones Podcast
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what my Marine buddies call a clusterfuck of stuff. But it's something that really needs to be unpacked and understood so that people aren't tricked, right? So any event that happens, I always go, well, you have to have it in your mind.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
differential diagnosis or in your comparison, you know, was it something from another dimension that's not extraterrestrial, extraterrestrial, or a man-made, or a little more complicated subset, man-made extra dimensional, where, you know, you could set up a stimulation by a man-made electronic system that, let's just say, tickles some other dimension and brings something into this dimension.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Humans can do that. Human covert physicists that I've worked with have done that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
See, I haven't been with him to be able to discern. Yeah. You know, it's like the old commercials. Is it real or is it Memorex? You know, is it... Is it endogenous ET, in other words, original ET, or is it originating from somebody piggybacking on him, right, or using that? I don't know. And so I don't know the gentleman. I'm just saying, have you ever heard anything similar to that?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
We've had very, in fact, I was up on our land in Virginia once. near Hot Springs, Virginia. I believe it was October or November. And we were up at about 3,000 feet. And I was there. We had a buddy and we made a campfire and I was doing a little meditation.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And there were exactly what you described, about 15 or 20 of them that emerged and came over and below the crest in about a 40 minute period, 30, 40 minute period. There were more than a dozen. And I'm like, okay. And I'm going, oh, my God. And they just kept going. But so, yeah, we have very similar phenomenon happen. Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But I also know that you can stagecraft that if you're a special operations group with technologies. And this is not to try to discourage people from doing CE5 contact. I'm just saying there has to be a higher level of technology. education and understanding. Actually, we're doing a cruise in the Caribbean, April 6th to the 12th, where it's full. There's 200 people.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
We'll be up on this big deck out in the middle of the ocean for a number of nights. We're going to webinar it if people want to tune in and we're going to do this whole CE5 contact. I've never done it. I've always wanted to do it in the middle of the ocean. What island? Oh, we're going all over. It's some big cruise liner that we're reserving. Oh, it's a legit cruise ship.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yeah, it's like 3,100 people, but we have 200 and we're going to have the upper deck cordoned off. We'll be doing this late at night. Wow. It'll be way fun. I've never done it.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I honestly don't know. I mean, I'm not an expert in that case. I don't know the man or his family.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, because it's the same reason why the psionic operation teams are interested in people who have the innate capability, right? And they want to see what they're doing, how they're doing it. They may want to intercept what they're doing and confuse the picture by staging some hoaxed events with real ones. It's not like either or. You have to think about how these guys would think.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And what that motivation ultimately is, I have no idea. I just know there's some very bad actors swirling around the gentleman.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I can't see it. No.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
No. Anyway, I get shadow banned all the time. Yeah, I know. Although, you know, it's funny. I was on a conference call with a bunch of tech people. I said, oh, that's a myth. Nobody gets shadow banned. I said, yeah, it's ridiculous. Definitely happens. And it happens to the UFO topic, which is very odd. Oh, no, it's not at all. I mean, if you think about...
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Go back to that 1950 document, it's the biggest secret in the history of the United States exceeding the secrecy of the development of the hydrogen bomb. So, you know, the idea that the high end of the intelligence community trying to keep this secret wouldn't sanitize information or...
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And the other naivete about most people now is that those interests are not only penetrating the tech companies, in many cases, they control those tech companies. That's right. Think of the corporate nexus. That's crazy. Think about BlackRock. Think about, well, all right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
That's what they wanted. That's what they wanted with Microsoft. That's what they want with the big tech companies. And ironically, the technology for doing that, from all accounts, much of it was reverse engineered from ET materials. But they didn't let out the energy systems that would eliminate poverty and human suffering and save the biosphere.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
They let the things out that would enable them to have the uber surveillance state we have today, mostly through the private sector. And, you know, if people said the government were doing these things, but instead you click on an I agree on all your tech platforms and you're giving the corporate titans who are interfacing with the intelligence community.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Cart blocked everything you're doing.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yeah. It's, you know, to anyone who really analyzes this, it's obvious. And that's another question about. you know, our freedoms and privacy and much of the constitutional protections. And I keep coming back to that because whether it's here or anywhere else in the world, if we don't have the rule of law, then we're in the jungle.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And on this issue that then has sort of infiltrated many other sectors of our society, We don't have freedom and the rule of law. I always tell people, they brag about us having a free market economy. I go, really?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
When the most important breakthrough is the last 100 years in science and technology that would completely turn this planet into a paradise with free energy and all kinds of technologies. have been ruthlessly suppressed up to and including killing people, right? No, we don't have a free market. We have a managed economy.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But so what the public needs to understand is we need to evolve out of that 100 years of nonsense. and to this whole transformative new golden age. I mean, the new president's calling it that. Well, you're not going to do just a golden age based purely on drilling more oil out of the ground.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
You've got to create a golden age by letting our society advance both technologically, but also in our understanding of consciousness and spirituality and that we're not alone in the universe. And do it in a way that doesn't cause everyone to go running for the door and jumping off bridges because we're being invaded by aliens. I would love to see Trump do one of your CE5. Oh, that'd be great.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yeah, maybe.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I think, look, you know, I'm completely nonpartisan because I have to be. I've worked through many administrations and members of Congress. Luckily, on this issue, in the Congress, it's very nonpartisan currently. The people who are interested. Which is interesting. Yeah, and it should be that way. Because it's not just the United States.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I'm dealing with countries all over the world and leaders all over the world on this, frankly. I won't say which ones, but... It needs to be a global understanding that transcends the usual idiotic fracture lines of murderous monkeys fighting over every little division we can find, right? I think we have to go beyond that in our thinking.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And on something like this, it can't just be a partisan or even just an American issue. It really needs to be a global issue. And that's never happened. There have been attempts, right? You know, the original Disclosure Project event was supposed to happen at the UN General Assembly in 2001. And the UN Secretary General was threatened, Kofi Annan. He was absolutely threatened.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
He says, if you do this, there'll be no more funding for the United Nations. So we had to do it at the National Press Club. And his right-hand guy called me up and says, Dr. Greer, we cannot do it here at the UN. So, whoa, that was 24 years ago in May.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It runs the gamut. Almost any weird thing you can imagine has happened. We've had fully materialized craft appear and disappear. We've had like that one ET that appeared between two people and then vanished. We've had unusual electromagnetic signals come through our electronic sensor systems. So like we'll have –
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
magnetometers and other equipment out there and they will override the circuitry and start communicating through them very strange and some of its very repeatable sequences that we've recorded almost like um ericeba without the billion dollar telescopes you know it's just uh repeatable how like like a sequence a pattern that could that repeats repeats that you know would not naturally occur or would not happen from a man-made source
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And of course, many people will be deep in meditation and get an override vision of a craft or a person and say, oh, I'm sensing something in the northwest sky at 60 degrees. Five minutes later, a craft appears there and moves and comes over. So there's a lot of precognitive capabilities that develop when you develop the consciousness. Any like direct telepathic communication? Yes, all the time.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And what is the context of it? It runs the gamut. But for many people, I know this is my experience, is that they're making it quite clear they're here for a very good reason. But a lot of it is also laden with some warning of where we are and that our civilization is at a point where it needs to either – change directions or it's gonna face some really terrible outcomes. And it's not a threat.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It's just like, this is where you are. And it's sort of like the Hopi prophecy where one line terminates and the other one goes on forever. If you know the Hopi prophecy, Native American. It's sort of like that. That is a theme that comes up a lot. And I think we are at that point where we're gonna have to transition
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
If we continue to think in the same paradigm of division and war and conflict, it's not like we're using machine guns and tanks. We have not only thermonuclear, but these other technologies that are covert. It's not sustainable to live like this, and nor is it sustainable for the Earth's biosphere to have 8 billion people living like we did in the 1800s, burning stuff.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So there's very frequently a sort of Earth-based environmental message that comes through about the dangers not only geopolitically of endless war with these technologies, but also what we're doing to the oceans and the atmosphere and genetic mutations and cancer rates. That all of this is a consequence of having suppressed for 100 years.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
breakthroughs in technology that would have moved us onto another path. So that's what we call the documentary, The Lost Century. Because there's a lost century of social and technological evolution, but also with that sort of spiritual evolution. Because what happens when a world no longer is in want and fighting over scarce resources? I think the work week will drop to 10 or 15 hours a week.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
People have extraordinary amount of time for creative pursuits and the pursuit of higher states of consciousness and meditative and what have you. Hopefully not everyone is spending all their time on YouTube looking at kitty cats playing the piano. But that might happen too.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Well, I don't think it's either or either. I mean, I think you can have a body and a planet that's physical and also pursue higher states of consciousness and spirituality. I don't think the asceticism is the way. I don't think you deny the one, but you add to that a higher conscious understanding and spirituality. And I think that is the balance.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
There's sort of like these inherent tensions and contradictions that exist in the modern era and has for many, many times. But one of the features you mentioned earlier of the P3 or psionic operators is
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
When you mentioned that some of these areas that we would call primitive, but they're living more in touch with nature, have this innate ability, it hearkens back to the aboriginals in Australia that had what was called dream time. And they would literally have lucid dreams at night, communicate with each other and have meetups with no telephones or smoke signals or anything.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And so in many civilizations that we would dismiss as primitive, That was just part of the natural order. Western civilization coming into science and through the scientific revolution and also rejecting the superstitions and excesses of the Middle Ages and whatnot. Sort of threw the baby out with the bathwater.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So I see a time where we'll go forward as a high-tech civilization, but at the same time an increasingly conscious and enlightened civilization, both. And I think that's the sort of balance where you become a very advanced civilization because primacy is with your conscious evolution. You know, the world is as you are, as it says in the Vedas.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
The world we see as a reflection of what our level of consciousness and thoughts are. And so I think that can evolve. There's no reason why we have to be stuck in the current state of things. Now, change is difficult. Most people don't like change or adventures. I love adventures and change.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But it's something that if we stay, you know, there's like the old Chinese saying, unless we change directions, we're likely to end up where we're going. And I say, look, where are we going? We're going to hell in a handbasket right now. Not just geopolitically, but in terms of tensions and wars, but also with the earth and the environment and poverty.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
You know, The Economist last couple of years ago had an article, 3 billion people on earth don't even have energy to cook their food. So they're cutting out the brush and making deserts appear and cutting down the rainforest. 3 billion of the 8 billion. So there's no way to have a peaceful world or a just world with the zero-sum game of the current energy system. This becomes very clear.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yeah. And I'm sure it's way more than that now. So that and his information, you know, we before he passed away, we got his archive that's in our archive. And also we had a very extensive interview with him. And so there are many people like that who come forward and have told similar accounts.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But as Patrick David told me the other day, if you bring these out, there are so many powerful interests. You're talking about hundreds of trillions of dollars in aggregate impact. And that was the mistake of 100 years ago.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
If these technologies had been brought out when there were only two and a half billion people on the earth and very few of those people had electricity and cars, it would have been a natural evolution. Now, we're either headed towards a very bad situation globally, geopolitically and environmentally, geophysically, or we have to bring these out, which will be admittedly very disruptive.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
You know, talk about a disruptive technology. So how do we do that? Well, it's going to have to be very smart and very managed. And so these are the complexities that to be honest with you, world leaders and the president and the National Security Council need to be discussing urgently. And what I'm concerned about is that it seems that in the next year or two, this is all gonna get disclosed.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And when I meet with senior government officials, which I do quite often, They don't know anything about the subject or what they do know has been some blended false information that has led them, gaslit them in the wrong path. And this frightens me. I mean, because knowledge is power. And if you don't have it. you're going to be manipulated into all the wrong decisions.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And I think we need to have our leaders here and abroad brought up to speed on this in a serious way, which is, I mean, what I should be doing and am trying to do. What I really ought to do is retire. But I'm tired and I'm getting old. Yeah, go relax on those 600 acres. Oh, we do. I take time for that. I work out a lot. And, you know, I was almost killed in an accident about 15 months ago.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Oh, shit. Oh, yeah. What happened? I don't want to talk about it. It was a mess. Someone saw through the seat on my bicycle, mountain bike, and it snapped off. And my left leg came off. My left foot came off. The bones were in the air. This shoulder was ripped off. My abdomen split open. I had four surgeries. What? Oh, yeah. I don't even believe the things I've had happen to me.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It was bad. It was the worst I've had. And, you know, in the 90s, I had three people on my team killed, two by electronically induced cancers. And the former CIA director, Bill Colby, who was going to help us bring these energy technologies out, they just wet worked him in the river south of D.C., made it look like an accident. So, you know, this is serious stuff.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
They literally tried to kill you on your bike. Oh, I think it was more of a speed bump. Slow me down. It was three weeks after I got back from the black site in the chopper where I filmed the underground opening. Yeah. Where some of the Lockheed objects come up from an underground facility and are tested. And I handed that over to the Senate Intelligence Committee.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Now, one of the problems is if you're in a compartment operation like that, you're not going to be read into or briefed on something of very similar nature that's in a different base or another compartment operation. It's very, very compartmentalized is what they call it. So what I've tried to do is to see where it syncs up. So let's say you have...
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
No, I'm not. Not at all. No? No.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Your paranoia implies that you'd be afraid of all this. But I think the saving grace, even though I was raised an agnostic atheist, of having had that near-death experience when I was 17— Not afraid of death? I'm not afraid of that. Really? No, I don't like being tortured. I don't want to be injured. I don't want to have a life of misery, which is what they've made my life a miserable thing.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But, you know, no. I mean, being without this— you know, physical body and being in the worlds of the conscious light that I experienced. No, that's a beautiful thing. I don't have a death wish, but I'm also not afraid.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Oh, I've had other things. I had metastatic malignant melanoma at the same month that a member of Congress and my right-hand assistant got cancers. I almost died. That was in 96, seven, something like that. But yeah, I think Colby was killed, 95, 96, Bill Colby, the CIA director. How was he killed? Well, he allegedly was out canoeing on a range.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But his son thought he committed suicide. But he was working with a colonel and with a member of my team to hand over one of these zero-point quantum generators with about $50 million in seed money so we could get it out, open source it and get it out to the public. And the week he was going to meet with a member of my board, they found him floating down the Potomac.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But it's an unsolved murder, but we know what happened. His best friend came to my friend's funeral, Sherry's funeral, and said, we both have had terrible losses, but can't look back.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But here's the other problem. I'm not an expert on that case. But the question is, was it ET? Was it human-induced? Or was it from another dimension? And
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Oh, yeah. And our team has had experiences with a huge variety. And you've never seen anything like that one with the red eyes, the Virginia one? No, no. And one of the questions I always have is, Given what I know about what human electromagnetic field experimentation has done, there's a physicist I'm working with.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
He's down near the Redstone Arsenal, Huntsville Space Flight Center, Marshall Space Flight Center. He has his own SCIF I've been in. And his lower level of his house is also a SCIF, a Secure Compartment Information Facility. And, I mean, these guys have created like toroidal electromagnetic systems.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
systems where they will tap into the ninth ring of hell or whatever, and some creature will be 3D running around the lab. What? And it sounds absolutely batshit crazy, and it is, but it's true. So whatever... You can imagine.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
You know, Ben Rich, the week he died, was talking to a friend of mine, Jim Goodall, who's a well-known aerospace historian, and said, and Jim was pushing on this issue about what Lockheed Skunk Works had. He said, well, anything you can imagine that you've seen on Star Trek, we've already done at the Lockheed Skunk Works, and it's not at Area 51. It's out in the desert underground.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
You know, 10 people who've been on crash retrieval teams that I've debriefed. I'm just making – it's probably more than that. Where were they? What did they see? What was their methodology? And how much of that is congruent?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And that is true. And I've been over that facility. I mean, not longer, right before I was critically injured. But so there are people who have surfaced describing some of those. What does that mean? It means that the capabilities of this covert human group could stage anything. And this is why people say, well, you're the biggest skeptic I ever heard. You don't believe that? I said, well...
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
I'm not saying there aren't genuine extraterrestrial non-human intelligence, but there's all this other stuff. And all this other stuff gets really complicated. And it makes sense once you unpack... 70 or 80 years of super advanced engineering and science and technology from studying this area of physics.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And one of the big mistakes everyone makes is they don't give enough credit to the genius of the people who worked on those programs. Like this gentleman I just referred to, he's in – He's redacted in what we're making available to the public, but he's not redacted for some other folks. One of the highest IQs I've ever met on earth.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And what I have found is that people of very high capabilities, they're tapped either right out of college or in high school even and brought in because they have such amazing aptitude. And there is a process for screening for that. And It's a real process. And they're looking for people with extraordinary talents and IQs and abilities.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So I always tell people the smartest people I've ever met are not at Harvard, MIT, or Caltech or whatever. They're in covert operations and corporate and some government. And those guys are amazingly brilliant. And they're highly incentivized to study this and figure out different applications. And I think people grossly underestimate that.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And because they underestimate it, they're constantly being deceived and tricked by human phenomenon, human events and weird stuff and thinking it's something it isn't. And that's what happened with the Skinwalker Ranch. There was an innate phenomenon there I don't think it was extraterrestrial. I think it was extradimensional.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And when you get congruence from people who don't know who each other are – so I'm sort of – my project, the disclosure project, I'm in the clearinghouse for hundreds of these guys – then you begin to be able to find out where the sweet spot of truth is and try to build out this picture. So that's what we've tried to do. It's been painstaking.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And a bunch of guys operating with Robert Bigelow and the intelligence community set up some electronics that ran the rancher off. So they forcibly bought it virtually. And then they set up all these weird electromagnetic devices. phenomenon there. And I know how they did it. And I have someone who is embedded in that team who's described it. Same thing with the Bradshaw Ranch near Sedona.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
You know, recently there was someone who works with Elizondo on a podcast talking about, yeah, that's an alien, but I've had my people scouted out. There are guys all dressed in black down below a hill and it's a complete black site. I don't know if it's CIA or corporate, but, you know, so this happens all the time. And
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
If you have an area that has an innate, some would say a portal, but an innate phenomenon going on, those will get taken over and turn into a black site that's human. And then the public gets gaslit and deceived about all the phenomenon there.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Terrifying.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
They ran off the people in the Bradshaw Ranch. Same thing with Skinwalker Ranch. Now there's a new owner. I don't know him, but I knew the people who got it after the rancher was terrified and run off. And they can do things through normal electric wires, power lines that they can put a signal down and all of a sudden some creepy thing happens and apparitions appear and disappear.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So this is the high end of what we call the stagecraft or tradecraft. Stagecraft. Yeah, staging things. One of the problems with ufology and with this whole subject is that you really can't begin to even make a judgment call on what you're looking at unless you unpack what the human capabilities are. And then you can begin to put it into the categories and get some discernment.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
But it's a very difficult thing to do. And, you know, in 1991, I was at a... conference and a CIA guy, old guy. He looked like the cigarette man in the, what's that show? X-Files. Because I know a lot, some of those episodes they took from my early work. And we were walking along and he said, let's walk along the beach. And he said, look, the truth is so much stranger than any fiction.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So we've been working to set that up through a series of briefings. That I've been doing for about three years with Senate Intelligence Committee and Senate Armed Services and taking some of the witnesses. Now, remember, I have debriefed nearly a thousand top secret guys. And in our archive, you can go to dpiarchive.com. there's 760 some named.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
We can sell the fiction and people will believe it. But if you tell people the truth, they won't believe it. And it's less believable than the fiction. And it is. So that's been a real conundrum. Fiction has to make sense. Truth doesn't. Yeah, exactly. And the truth on this is such a tangled web.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And it's been done deliberately because it has the ability to then confuse the picture but also create this specter of fear where – the long-term goals can be fulfilled. My concern is that disclosure, I wrote a paper in 1999 called, it's on our website, When Disclosure Serves Secrecy, meaning the secret government operations.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And if this issue gets disclosed the way it currently is on track to be, it'll be a war of the world's panic in the aisle. It'll be a thousand times worse than COVID.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Yes. Where you have the people who have or keep going up to Congress and the White House and other places and conflating man-made frightening things like abductions and villages being blown up with extraterrestrial threat or NHI threat. And they're deliberately commingling. No one is making this discernment. between a bunch of psyops and covert technologies masquerading as ET.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
No one is doing that. In fact, the dominant paradigm is to call all of it one thing. And in that calling it one thing, it makes people conclude there is a threat and we need to fight it. So let's go to DEFCON 1, let's go to Independence Day, the movie, let's go to War of the Worlds. So I think this manipulation is 99% of what people hear.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
And I don't really, honestly, right now, if you were to put me under a sodium pen, a truth serum, I don't- We got some. Oh good, go for it. Steve, lock the doors. All right. I really don't see that right now as things stand as of this moment. And that there is a critical mass of people who are able to come forward and not be captured, let's call it, by that narrative, trapped by that narrative.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
Now, it even gets more spooky when you start dealing with senior people in government who have not been read into this, who are brand new to this. And we'll go in with information, and then right after us will be a disinformation team that goes in. Like clockwork. And I'm a private civilian, and those people go in with credentials from the Pentagon, right? Yeah. or some intelligence agency.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
So it's daunting, but I don't think we should give up on getting the truth out and exposing the lies and the coverup, but also the trickery. But I don't see right now, there's a lot of bandwidth, let's just say.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
It's mixed. I mean, he's actually evolving a little bit off of that because he needs to. And that's been exposed. But I think one of the – the reason he initially emerged was to be sure that two or three major false narratives came out. One was – We don't have anything that's man-made that could be this when 80% of what people are saying are man-made, covert. Okay, that was one message.
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
The other was that it's a threat to the national security, which it is, but not from out there in space. It's the threat. It's within. Got it. Right?
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
The rogue secret government organization is the threat. It's treasonous. It's traitorous. It's murderous. It's unconstitutional. It's criminal. So that narrative is to say what I just described when disclosure serves secrecy. Yes, this is real. It's all coming out. The UFOs are real, which everybody's known forever. But –
Danny Jones Podcast
#286 - The Most Disturbing UFO Tech has ESCAPED the US Military | Dr. Steven Greer
they're a threat and we don't have anything that can fly like that now luckily in the last two or three years does elizondo say that that we don't have anything like this yes he did initially not anymore not anymore and neither neither is grush and neither is fravor and others but that was something that i was forcefully in the public saying that is a falsehood and i would go to senators and congressmen and say no that is wrong and that
Danny Jones Podcast
#275 - The Bible Codes: God, Technology, Aliens & Human Origins | Greg Braden
you
Danny Jones Podcast
#275 - The Bible Codes: God, Technology, Aliens & Human Origins | Greg Braden
Hmm.
Danny Jones Podcast
#275 - The Bible Codes: God, Technology, Aliens & Human Origins | Greg Braden
Mm-hmm.
Danny Jones Podcast
#296 - Mind Warfare, Media Control & Space Surveillance | Eric Czuleger
Yeah, right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#296 - Mind Warfare, Media Control & Space Surveillance | Eric Czuleger
This is the sound of the Earth's magnetic field.
Danny Jones Podcast
#296 - Mind Warfare, Media Control & Space Surveillance | Eric Czuleger
Yeah. These sounds are generated by energetic particles in Earth's plasma sphere, which are being tugged to and fro by the rotation of Earth's magnetic field.
Danny Jones Podcast
#296 - Mind Warfare, Media Control & Space Surveillance | Eric Czuleger
You see, there is a plasma sphere around Earth containing clumps of ions and electrons. As Earth and its magnetosphere rotate, the magnetic fields push through these particles, accelerating them in a wave called a plasma wave. Honestly, I'd love to sit next to this guy in a bar. How crazy is that?
Danny Jones Podcast
#296 - Mind Warfare, Media Control & Space Surveillance | Eric Czuleger
Oh, yeah. It's fucking nuts.
Danny Jones Podcast
#273 - Knights Templar: Vatican is Covering up Bones of Jesus Christ | Tim Hogan
What is this, Steve?
Danny Jones Podcast
#279 - Psyops Expert: Inside the Mind of a Master Manipulator | Chase Hughes
Holy smokes. Yeah. Can you interview James for me, man? Ask him what happened?
Danny Jones Podcast
#279 - Psyops Expert: Inside the Mind of a Master Manipulator | Chase Hughes
Islam?
Danny Jones Podcast
#279 - Psyops Expert: Inside the Mind of a Master Manipulator | Chase Hughes
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#279 - Psyops Expert: Inside the Mind of a Master Manipulator | Chase Hughes
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#279 - Psyops Expert: Inside the Mind of a Master Manipulator | Chase Hughes
Mm-hmm.
Danny Jones Podcast
#301 - NEW Giza Pyramid SAR Scan Breakdown & Military Lasers that TALK | Museum of Tarot
Okay.
Danny Jones Podcast
#301 - NEW Giza Pyramid SAR Scan Breakdown & Military Lasers that TALK | Museum of Tarot
2015.
Danny Jones Podcast
#301 - NEW Giza Pyramid SAR Scan Breakdown & Military Lasers that TALK | Museum of Tarot
Right there. Keep going.
Danny Jones Podcast
#301 - NEW Giza Pyramid SAR Scan Breakdown & Military Lasers that TALK | Museum of Tarot
Now I see it. I see so many things I can't tell you. Can't you slow it? Slow it? Now I see like... I see so many colors that are... Are they pretty? Geometric signs that now there's like great things. They're magnificent. They're magnificent. I have never been so aware of color.
Danny Jones Podcast
#301 - NEW Giza Pyramid SAR Scan Breakdown & Military Lasers that TALK | Museum of Tarot
There you go.
Danny Jones Podcast
#301 - NEW Giza Pyramid SAR Scan Breakdown & Military Lasers that TALK | Museum of Tarot
Mm-hmm.
Danny Jones Podcast
#301 - NEW Giza Pyramid SAR Scan Breakdown & Military Lasers that TALK | Museum of Tarot
Wow.
Danny Jones Podcast
#301 - NEW Giza Pyramid SAR Scan Breakdown & Military Lasers that TALK | Museum of Tarot
I don't know.
Danny Jones Podcast
#301 - NEW Giza Pyramid SAR Scan Breakdown & Military Lasers that TALK | Museum of Tarot
Mm-hmm.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
Nope.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
2022.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
Mm-hmm.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
41.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
81, 85.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
61.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
Okay.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
Wow, man.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
Mm-hmm.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
Oh, wow.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
Mm-hmm.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
Man.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
Mm-hmm.
Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake
All right.
Danny Jones Podcast
#284 - New Göbekli Tepe Controversy & Earth's Next Magnetic Pole Flip | Jimmy Corsetti & Dan Richards
I see Sullivan and Cromwell.
Danny Jones Podcast
#284 - New Göbekli Tepe Controversy & Earth's Next Magnetic Pole Flip | Jimmy Corsetti & Dan Richards
Yeah.
Danny Jones Podcast
#284 - New Göbekli Tepe Controversy & Earth's Next Magnetic Pole Flip | Jimmy Corsetti & Dan Richards
This is my favorite part. What? Well, Land of Kim was the original name of Egypt, and Kim has its base in alchemy, which is where we get chemistry.
Danny Jones Podcast
#284 - New Göbekli Tepe Controversy & Earth's Next Magnetic Pole Flip | Jimmy Corsetti & Dan Richards
And they were known for their – the land of Kim was black.
Danny Jones Podcast
#284 - New Göbekli Tepe Controversy & Earth's Next Magnetic Pole Flip | Jimmy Corsetti & Dan Richards
Because it was fertile.
Divided Argument
Reference Check
Yeah. Right after Garland, Attorney General. It's Court of Appeals.
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Nelk Boys Internal | Ep. 143
At the end of the day, you know who I really enjoy doing content with is Steve. Steve's my favorite guy to like really. And I know you guys have your thing that like, you know, all the shit. But Steve really is. Steve is so fucking crazy when it comes to the fucking Red Rock. Like, dude, Steve is insane. I've never seen a gambler like Steve in my life.
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He was down a million dollars a week and a half ago. And I fucking flew down a guy who I convinced to bring him back. And that was ready to bet for him a free bet, a million dollars on Sunday night football. But Steve had a $5,000 chip left at Red Rock, $5,000. He was down $900,000. He had a $5,000 chip left and brought it all the way back from that $5,000 chip to $900,000.
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Oh, my God. Honestly? Yeah. It was last weekend. On the lightning machine in High Limit at Red Rock, I sat down there. I was with my buddy Phil, Hamlet, whatever. I sat at that same machine for 11 hours and did not get up. 11 hours. Not even to piss? I swear to God, I remember at one point my head being like, this might be a problem because I have to pee so badly. Yeah, you think?
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It's because they're psychotic gambling. They're psycho.
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yeah it's like gambling addicts but at the end of the day they dana's can do it based on the situation but dana is like dana will not stop either really i don't think like he goes crazy bro i don't even go back there anymore like i don't know if my biggest pet peeve with gambling and whether it be i will not go near him like the people the railbirds that just sit around and watch like it's like bro get the fuck away from him like he's firing like get away don't talk to anybody like if i'm gambling even i will not talk to anybody if i'm gambling
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I want to be by myself. I don't want to be around anybody. If I'm tilted and I see somebody, I'll freak out. I hate when people come up to me at a casino and say hello or whatever the fuck it is. It's my biggest pet peeve. I tell them to fuck off immediately. For the rest of the time, it is what it is.
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But, yeah, no, I think the Full Sent podcast, I think that you guys need to get back on the train again. You know, obviously. If I was you, Kyle, I would just clean house. Just start over. Me and you just take this thing over again from the beginning. Because I tell you what, I'm seeing a sinking ship.
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good good yeah guys you know the difference is like it's not a it's not a competition we have to realize in life guys it's a it's a team effort i'm not i'm just saying you're making a fuck face in the beginning here over here talking this fuck face right here um it's not like a competition remember when i worked for you bro i miss i actually missed those days bro when i was fucking making a thousand do you actually dislike steiny that he's leveled up a little bit not at all not at all
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We're good. I don't know what's going on. We're good. No, you know, actually, Stiney, I think I brought Stiney a couple hundred thousand dollars recently, put it in his pocket. You're welcome. I heard a Brett stat, too. 20% or no?
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I don't know what that was. Brett, the other night, got taken care of last night very well.
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Bob, I love you. I love you, bro. This is the thing about this.
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I don't know. By the way, don't even make me. Things are going well now. Don't even make me. Time out, time out, time out. That 60 is coming back. First and foremost, first and foremost, first and foremost.
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And I didn't fucking pee. But I was battling it, dude. And I don't like – like I start with a $5,000 buy-in.
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Let me tell you this. I think that Brett Sadad, who you were referencing, at 22 years old when I found him in a dumpster in Fall River, when he first started coming to work for me, To make $145,000 in year one and get the opportunity that you gave?
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I'm going to make a reference. I said, Brett, if you work for me for one year, I'm not paying you until day 365.
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And then here's the deal too, though. Not only that. Let's talk about the fucking necklace with Charlie Jordan. This is the greatest thing ever. So in my camp, Camp Mentory, when I was running it, which is a very small camp, but... It's a tight camp, though. So Brett fucking... Brett comes in. So Brett, you know how these... Okay, this is the deal.
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You come and work for Nelka, you come and work for anybody that has a little bit of notoriety or whatever. You start to get a little confident along. That's why you can only have, like, an assistant, really, for, like, a year.
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Nelk Boys Internal | Ep. 143
Listen to me real quick, Salim. So to explain to you. So they'll come in and then they'll start to realize this. You're by my side. People are coming to you to talk to me. Like you start to get a little fucking ego, right? My goal was, if anybody adores me, was we take that ego and we shrink it right back down to where the dumpster in Fall River you came from.
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And I remind them that every fucking day. It's actually, it hurts a lot, but it's a good tactic. It's a good tactic.
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But I want to tell you this story about Charlie Jordan and the gold chain that Brett bought.
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It's a great story. It's a great story. It really is. It's $100,000 he gets paid. Brett then goes to, and he's already been now going to clubs in Scottsdale and thinking he's the fucking man and everything. So I'm like, this kid is fucking losing it. He buys this, all of a sudden I see this gold diamond necklace around his neck.
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And I'm like, bro, what the fuck is this necklace around your fucking neck? He's like, yeah, I bought it. I'm like, how much was that? He's like 25 grand. I'm like, what the fuck? Now here I am betting a hundred thousand dollars on a fucking whatever. Long story short, it's just awesome.
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Every time I look at him, it's just driving me nuts. Like, it's pissing me off. Like, I'm like, why is this kid wearing a fucking diamond fucking necklace every fucking time? He's feeling himself. That's fine. How many months in is this into the job? This is at the one-year mark. But still, from six months to one-year mark, he was starting to like... It was a year and a half. Right.
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Bob always pays me. I paid you $10,000. I'm owed money right now overall from – Overall, from all the people in the world. I had a rally comeback the past couple of months.
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So I take that fucking chain that day. We have a sit-down interview with Charlie Jordan. So we sit down. Me and Charlie and Brett, I invite to be on the show. And I say, Brett, come on in. Join the show. I want you to co-host this one for me, okay? So Charlie Jordan sits down. Brett sits down and we're sitting around. I said, we're talking about a little fucking podcast.
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I said, hey, Charlie, by the way. I said, Brett, let me see that chain for a minute. Take the chain off his neck. Here's a gift to you, Charlie. $25,000 chain. Give it to her. And she's like, I can't take this. I'm not going to test it. Take the fucking chain. I sent Brett $25,000 because it was his birthday. And I said, don't fucking, don't wear a fucking chain again. So I bought the chain.
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I gave it to Charlie Jordan. She leaves. Next thing you know, this is the greatest, Brett. The hunt for the chain back from Charlie Jordan. So Charlie Jordan's fucking team calls me and says, hey, by the way, we can't air that episode we just filmed. We just didn't like it. It was sloppy.
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I was fucked up in the Four Seasons hotel room. It was probably the worst look of her life. Messy, sloppy, worst look of your life.
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It makes total sense. So it makes sense to do. I said, all right, cool. Well, where the fuck is the diamond necklace? Or whatever the fuck it is. Send it back and we're good. I'm not going to let you fucking just walk away with a necklace if we can't air the episode. And we went back and forth with Charlie Jordan's team.
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For six months, back and forth. And Charlie was... She was cool about it. She was just kind of like, well, you know, like... She was cool about it, though. She wasn't bad. It was her team, I think. She must have not cared. How was I an asshole, though?
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Nelk Boys Internal | Ep. 143
I'd love to hear Charlie Jordan's team. I love Charlie. Next topic. She's great. I love Charlie. I love you. You're awesome. It was our fault. Brett's an idiot. Yo, I want to know, when do you see yourself getting married, Bob? Seriously. I had plans to do it with that girl. That's why I had plans.
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Nelk Boys Internal | Ep. 143
I mean, I was ready when we had our situation with that little shit going on. I was ready to drop everything. I would have dropped everything. I wouldn't have done drinking.
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A thousand percent. I just can't believe that. No, I am.
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Going out's the worst thing you could possibly do. I don't go out. I hate going out.
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No, but I have people in my hotel room and just chill and fucking... And drink and clear the minibar. It's the same shit. You're just not out. You're just not out. You're just partying.
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Nelk Boys Internal | Ep. 143
I fully plan to continue drinking at this rate until I die. I will not quit. And I will tell you this, to God's honest truth. I like it. You sound like Burt Kreutzer. I like commitment. You can be committed to something. I fucking... I love... To be honest with you, I will openly admit it. Is it the best thing in the world? Should people do the same thing I'm doing or not?
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I fucking love getting fucked up. Don't know. Really? I so thoroughly enjoy it. All right, well, wait, Bob.
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I'm probably going to die early. I'm probably going to fucking die. I don't know. I love getting fucked up.
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Is this guy really fucking telling me to do? Yeah, I love you to sleep.
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What are the goals of going out? Get pussy. Maybe socialize, whatever. At the end of the day, if you're a straight male, the only reason you go to the club is to get pussy, correct? Guess what, Selim? Guess what? You don't have to go out with what you have. You can get pussy and you can save money. So when you go and spend all this, I've never, ever bought a bottle in my life.
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But you're wrong about that, too. As funny as it is, no. As funny as it is is this. I don't make promises ever on my gram and shit like that. No, but that's your way of pulling. I mean, bro, I got, like, I don't know. We're good in that category.
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I hate it. I just like keeping it low-key and just, like, isolating. Because the goal at the end of the day is this. It's time management, right? I mean, I'm not saying. Okay, so you're not coming to the club tonight or what? Fuck no. You couldn't pay me a fucking $100,000. You're going to be there. I don't think I'm going to. No, I wouldn't go for, I swear on my life, I will not fucking be there.
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We'll have Kyle and Stiney night. I have a bunch of girls. I know, but why not just have fucking chicks here and just chill? I can't.
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Like, why go and spend money at the fucking club? It's fun, bro. Oh, it's free always for you guys anyway. We're going to be sitting here, sit on the couch.
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I go, what the fuck? Yeah, you were banged up today. But you rallied. Hats off to you.
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You wouldn't touch somebody. I know you wouldn't do that.
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You were the one getting creepy with this girl. Maybe you could get a little... Stiney was the one getting creepy with Mike's girl.
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like dude easy just call him the jets guy i have a trial i have a trial coming up i'm going to trial for what uh for nothing but i just want to i'll leave that out there we have to go into discussion with it i just want to let everybody know be ready like we're going to trial for a case i have a trial when uh well i know what it is bob getting his ass cooked in encore casino
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Yeah, well, guess what? You know what's funny about that? I heard about it. I don't even know if I want to talk about it. You got your ass beat in Boston. I'm just saying this. Let's just say this. I had a chance for $40 to drop it, and it all goes away. or spend $30,000 and go to trial. And I chose trial.
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And there's a reason why. I'm not going to talk about it, but there's a reason why I'm going to trial. Yeah, I feel you. You would have got a minor charge, though, still.
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I will be attending. I'm going to trial. Bob, I will be attending your trial. No, I'm serious. And you know what's funny? I have really, really good lawyers. Yeah, you know what we need? Just full send coverage of Bob's trial. No, dude, actually, you know what's funny? One of the things is this. One of the things is this that we talked about on. I think you should self-represent yourself.
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I ended up... I asked... That was the first thing I asked the lawyer. I said, well, can it be live streamed? Can it be whatever? He said, yeah, I mean, yeah, I can. So I said, let's go to trial. No, okay. I got arrested for absolutely... When I tell you... You sound like Billy Tibbetts.
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Yeah, you know what's funny? You know what's funny? Why else would the state of Massachusetts ask to suppress the tapes? We'll follow the trial. Stiney, listen, I want to tell this story. Yeah, go. Stiney was, I brought Stiney in the studio with Lil Durk. Yeah, I actually want to hear more about this. I'll let Stiney tell the story.
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and that night i'm going to see the first night i bring him in to fucking dirk in the studio yeah with fucking those guys bro i had to dap him up and explain it yes were they clear no they were black they they knew it was good i'm saying like it's a clear and i told stein i said stein i said listen i said you've done the studio stuff with certain people and shit i said you understand this like dirk and those guys they don't play around it's like a real setting my favorite bob story every time it's a real setting so what they're homophobic yeah
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No, it's just they're fucking, I'm assuming that it's like, it's just everybody's like, whatever. They don't care, right, Bob? I don't know, but I'm just saying, like, don't show up with two dicks here, Keith. No, yeah, they're definitely homophobic. No, no, no, no, no, no. Those guys are great guys.
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No, we ended up watching the Red Sox documentary on Netflix. I like that. That's actually fire.
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Bob, what are you on there usually? I swear to God, I'll just be honest with you. I don't beat off. Like, I just don't beat off.
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Sometimes, occasionally, like, I'll fuck my bed, and that's it. Yo, can you get off the gambling, bro? Huh? Stop gambling. Let's finish this. Dude, I'm killing it right now. No, I'm just kidding. I don't jerk off. I really don't. I swear to God, I'm on a run, bro.
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I've got a lot of people that follow me. I've got a fucking personality. I can fucking talk. I mean, come on. Guys, I'm nasty at it. But I treat women with respect. That's the difference. You know, I don't try and fuck people. I just have over. We chill. And if we fuck, we fuck.
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so dana white story we were down there and dana was playing by the way dana is the most insane savage of all time when it comes to gambling everybody knows dude we were playing he was in the back room and he was down he was stuck four million dollars at red rock down i guess four million so he's back there battling for like 13 hours okay like literally like playing forever gets back to even okay
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Yo, do you know why Tyson didn't unload on him on those punches? It's because all the fight money that they were making was all unleashed on the later the fight went. So all their money, like if it had gone first round, they wouldn't have made anything. Both of them.
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walks outside after literally grinding for hours and hours and hours, walks outside. I'm sitting there playing blackjack. I have $10,000 in front of me. Dana comes up to me. Dana grabs the $10,000 and just bets it. And obviously, to be a nice guy, if he wins, obviously, he's going to double me up and give me $20,000. Loses. So he just came back for $4 million. Loses the $10,000.
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Then he goes, all right, give me a $20,000 marker. Loses. Give me another $20,000. Loses. Now all of a sudden, what does he do? Parades back in the back room. to try and get it back. And then he's in there for like an hour, two hours.
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I'm like, fuck, got stuck another 1.9 million and battled all the way back to even and ended up giving me, I mean, Dana's always a fucking man, ended up giving me 30 grand.
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Who's somebody you haven't met yet? Because we meet a lot of cool people. Who's somebody you haven't met yet that you'd be starstruck for?
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I will always – Me and Bob almost had a sick side. I want you to.
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Me and Kyle's agreement is as simple as this. I don't really – when we were running the way we were running our podcast early on, and it was really good when this podcast show was really fucking good, and where it's at now is not even close to where it was prior.
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I'm done with podcasts. I don't really give a fuck about podcasts. I like the live stream, though. I like the live stream.
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You guys will never do a podcast together ever, bro. I'm just not doing a podcast. I do real streaming. This will never happen.
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Shout out the Red Rock. I like the Red Rock a lot. I do, but I did leave to go to Aria to go play there for a little bit because I was pissed. Because I did have my play. I bet you I'm in the top 1% of slot players at Red Rock. No, no, no. It's all old Asian people. It's all old locals, bro, that are paying penny slots. Listen, I am the top 1% at Red Rock.
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Which is a team effort. I want to keep this going for a minute.
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Drinking Japanese beers. But anyways, listen, why I was upset is because what people don't realize is casinos you can have.
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I'm a massive slot player. It's not anything to be proud of.
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It's all my clothes. What people don't realize at casinos is this. At casinos, you can negotiate for, obviously, loss back. So if you're playing and you lose a quarter million dollars, you, hypothetically, they're going to give you 15%. They should be giving you about 15%, 20%. It's 20% high back.
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So I had all these losses at this fucking casino and I went to them and I went to Red Rock and I said, Red Rock, can I get my fucking percentage of losses back? And they fucking didn't do shit for me. And so basically at the end of the day, I was just like, I don't, I mean, I don't want to play here right now. You got no free plays that you're saying.
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I mean, dude, overall, I, like I said, my losses were my first of my overall wagers in the millions, like overall. Sure. Yeah. You know, which is crazy.
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I piped it down the middle. Actually, you know what, though?
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I'll put a post up right now. I don't give a fuck. Fuck that bitch. Live poster. No, but I've been on a tear lately. Here we go. By the way, I watched your interview with Candace Owens and the girl that fucked a thousand girls. Yeah. Let's flip the switch. I'll fuck a thousand girls. And I'll fuck a thousand girls in one day. Jesus Christ. If you want me to do that for you. Jesus Christ.
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That's impossible to do. I'm like, hold on a second. Oh, shit. You're right. It's different. I can't. You're right. No, you would need a lot of Viagra. Yeah, I can't do that. That's impossible. That's impossible. Yeah. I can't even fucking lie.
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I just did my overalls and all my gambling establishments. Okay, let's hear this lie. The overalls are at Aria, I'm up $32,000. At Red Rock, I'm down $160,000. Online, I'm down $9.7 million. No, seriously. What are you doing online? It's definitely seven figures. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you the godless truth. I was playing online for a while, and I was torched.
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What if she gets triple teamed during one session, though? That counts, right? That counts, right? Because you're getting fucked in the ass. No, I'm sorry. Fucked in the ass and in the vagina.
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I would do that for you. It would make sense for her to fuck me because it would make sense because obviously I have a little fucking fault.
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I've never watched any of your shit because I don't find you talented or entertaining at all, but I'm just going to fuck with you. But I only watched that. I really watched that episode. I watched that episode. I got a house in the hills that you stay at when you come out.
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Well, she made money off that. Nah, man. That's crazy.
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What's the plans of the podcast as far as you guys uploading every week or just take time off? We'll try to do three to four a month. I just gotta be honest, Bob.
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But I had a comeback of a century last weekend with Steve. And it was crazy. Because we've been in Vegas at Red Rock, and it has been...
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I'm openly fucking with you. You're still posting your ex-girlfriend from three years ago, bro.
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No, I'll tell you what. I will openly admit, yes, that we are misguided in certain ways. I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about you guys. Again, this is just a trick. You say it in a condescending way.
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I'll change my tone of voice. What the fuck is going on with this podcast and Fullsang Golf Channel? That's all I want to know.
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Oh, Gavin Newsom, yeah. You know him? Yeah, I mean, I think that, like, politics is done. I think that you guys, like, politics is over. Trump won. Let's move up politics if I was the director of the podcast.
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I couldn't do it. I just didn't care enough. I don't care enough, you know, at all. OK, what do you care about? What does matter to you? I'm firing like crazy. Like we're just like I'm just firing gambling right now.
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I like slots. I do. Because nobody bothers you. I've been with you and you've hit two big jackpots.
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We just wrapped Happy Gilmore 2. You did not have a part in that.
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You did not have a part in Happy Gilmore 2. I just did another one. You did not have three movies I just shot. That's just a full-blown lie. Yeah, you don't have a part in Happy Gilmore 2. Hopefully, we have actually a big part. The thing is, the only problem was the cameras. There was the operator. Truthfully, on the day that we shot, there was some technical things.
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What was your role in that one? I have a son at NDA. I can't talk about it. Oh, yeah? Unfortunately. But, yeah, no, we have some big stuff coming up, hopefully.
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Oh mein Gott. Wow.
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126 - Idols in the Vatican, Haitian Voodoo, and Weather Control
Das ist eine tolle Geschichte.
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I think so, yeah. I don't know. Sacrifice the fish.
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Oh, I couldn't figure out if this was fake.
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Let's give a hand for Taylor Swift. Yeah. She doesn't get enough credit. I agree. Give her more money!
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It's my life!
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Okay, here we go.
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That hurts. It's so tender.
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We just been talking about this.
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Slacks? Slacks? I've never heard that before. Oh, quit saying it.
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It's just weird.
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And it's like, stop doing it! Quit doing this! I don't like it!
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Ich habe das gehört, Alter.
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Pretty good. Pretty good for an old story. That's awesome. Who are you? Nobody. Your mother.
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You mean we're going to continue this fun conversation on another platform? It's going to be great and fun?
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We'll see you in Patreon.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
That has connections to fallen angel stuff, too. There's just places where they celebrate fallen angels. And I've had guests on my show that basically talk about all the fallen angels look like clowns. Clowns? Clowns. And that's where clowns come from, are fallen angels. No way.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
There's actually movies and books about it, like fallen angels look like clowns.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
That's why people have fear of clowns.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Yeah. That's what they think they look like. They have bright, bright red hair.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
They have chickens and hawk their noses.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Is this fine like this?
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
I never met anybody with a Bible degree, and I love that. I bet you have. I love that. I'm in L.A. Good luck. Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, I've read parts of it. I mean, my journey to Christianity is, like, it's growing and it's going. But I'm into all that. I'm into all of that. I'm just, like, hidden history is my favorite topic. It's the most interesting to me. And because, like, everything's an inversion. And you start to understand it. It's like everything's about getting you away from God.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Okay, perfect. Andrew, hit the... I only respond to verbal abuse.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
High vibrational, low vibrational. Like, I'm in recovery. And, you know, like, I always talk about... Simple versus easy. And like everything in our culture is easy, but everything spiritual is simple. You know, like drugs, alcohol, adult movies, all that stuff is easy, quick fix stuff that gets you away from, you know,
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
god and then you know like prayers working out helping others abundance all that stuff is simple yeah it has the opposite effect one gives life one tears it apart 100 but and then everything in our history has been like pushing us away from the simple and getting uh you know because i always say this like conspiracy always leads to spirituality Because you always go, what are you lying to me?
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
You're lying to me about that. What else? And then it just keeps going. And then at the basis of it is our connection with God.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
That happens to everybody, and it's usually the most fire episode. And you're like, that's going to change our lives. And someone looks down, I didn't record it. Why?
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Wow.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
I was working at a hotel as a valet, and I came up, and the guy who was kind of in charge, he's like, yeah, did you hear? I go, no, what?
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
yeah they attacked us and he said so like playing i was like what are you talking about i went in and i saw the videos and it's super crazy there's all these um moments in our history that kind of changed the way we look at stuff and that was it and it's interesting and then like the story that's told where we like you know uh gas or like jet fuel uh melts beams but this passport is perfect and
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
And, you know, my dad always raised me very paranoid. You know, like, believe nothing you hear, have what you see. Now it's like, don't believe anything you see. Yeah.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Oh, my friend – In New Jersey, way before everybody started talking about it, he's called me up. He's like my best friend. We run a comedy club in Jersey called the Dojo of Comedy. Nice. Cool. And he's like, dude, I'm seeing these drones. I go, what? He goes, I'm seeing these drones. They're so big. He goes, they're the size of SUVs. That's what they're saying, yeah.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
And they sit in the sky way too long for a civilian.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Yeah, in our airspace. That's the weirdest thing. If you're asking me what they're doing, they're collecting data on how people are going to react to this. I think so, too.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
How are people going to react to seeing something in the sky that they can't explain? Is it going to be mass panic? Is it going to be like, oh, who cares? This is all data to me. Everything is data. How are you acting to this? How are you going to react to this? All that stuff.
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That's what it seems to me, because, you know, we had the balloon up there and, you know, we're like, we're supposed to have the greatest military of all time.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
But they let it float across the entire country.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
And then two weeks later, like, yeah, we shot down this unknown. In Alaska, right? Yeah, or Canada. We shot down this unknown spacecraft. I'm like, what?
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
So crazy.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Well, welcome, Sam. Hey, we're in it, dude. We're in it.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
If you're asking me, the last card they have to play is Operation Bluebeam. They've seen the play all their cards. And they keep trying to run these plays over and over again. Like they brought back Monkey Box. All this stuff. And we're not falling for it. Yeah. So the last card is like alien invasion. Now the question is, is it real or is it the government?
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
That's what the kids want. They want you to get in it. Get in it. Right off the diving board. Right off. I introduce too many people on my show. No more. We're in it. Do you feel like you have a good radio voice? I feel like I have an okay radio voice. Yeah. I've had some interviews with people. I'm like, that voice is just magical. Even people I think are full of BS, right?
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
You know, I've had guests on my show that have talked about how, regardless of whether you buy into this, that they've talked to entities and the entities have said that the real project blue beam is that something real is going to happen and the government's going to try to take credit for it.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
So you believe that they're, you know, that they're behind it instead of maybe there's a spiritual moment coming. All I know is it's psychological to manipulate us.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
This was her. She's one of the people. She's from Australia. And she's one of those people that talk about the intergalactic council.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Okay. You know, that's out there.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
As we all do. As we all do, yes. At Thanksgiving. Attractive women love to talk about the intergalactic council. I don't know what it is, but they're all hot chicks. And we all just put up with it because they have symmetrical faces. Your face is perfectly symmetrical. I will hear about the intergalactic council.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
I haven't seen this, but that's what we're talking about here.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Sometimes they're just great speakers. Yeah. You could listen to them even though you're like, oh, you're wrong.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Like, how much of that, we've explored space more than we've explored the ocean.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
There's a reason why, you know, whoever has the most powerful Navy seems to have the most powerful military. It's like really is your Navy determines everything.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
What if I just walked in and just laid on your desk as you guys were podcasting?
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
No, is that it? He forgot to watch this. Watch this or listen.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
At least make it up.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
South America, you know, that conversation. So crazy. You could go down to huge episodes on it. It's, Our understanding of that whole thing is so off.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Just about how basically like, you know, the Nazis basically set up your modern day globalism. They set up how to basically, you know, if we see what happened with, you know, Joe Biden, pardoning his son with, you know, basically Burmese or however you pronounce it. All these dummy corporations. I mean.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
There were Nazi hunters that would go down to Latin America and be told by the local Jewish community, don't come here, get out of here, because they just had this thing working together. And it's crazy. Whole German towns down there with... We're not talking like 20. We're talking like 50,000 Nazis. And there is an argument that... What was Hitler's wife's name? Wasn't it Lily?
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Something, Eva Braun, I think it was her name. She might have died only in like 2012. What are you talking about? Yeah. Like she lived for a very long time. And so it's like all that stuff is like we just like if we're trying to solve cases, we're getting bad data. We're getting bad evidence.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
So we can't get it. And it's just really it gets back in Antarctica and all that stuff.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Would you go down with us if we went? I mean, it gets really dangerous. I've known people who went down there. It gets really choppy dangerous when you're trying to get to shore. It gets, like, super choppy dangerous. What about flying in? Sam, if you're scared, just say it, man.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Hey, dude. Making a mark, bro. That's what it's all about. Make your mark. Hey, LA time. Try to take it. Try somebody. Try to take it. It's only like 1 p.m. I don't know, man. I was so excited. Got in my car, rocking and rolling, and then I just pull into this...
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
It's interesting because there's only two things that the entire world, no matter how much these countries might be at war with each other, the only two things they agree on is space and Antarctica. Yeah.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
We have the Joe Biden administration almost trying to start World War III, yet we have a space station together. That's going to be an awkward conversation.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Yeah.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
No, it's working now. It went out for a brief second.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
about that or opinions on it i just know that the congress voted against it and the leader was like nope and they just and like so that i mean it is full-on like you can't protest journalism all the media gets exhorted into the government and they don't put a time on it right like a debt like hey this is going to end in two weeks or like it's just like until further notice well no it was it was shut down so the president he said like martial law and then parliament's like no martial law
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Do you know what they're protesting about?
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
like track mall of like had like you know a year-long halloween store energy and i'm like i'm in the wrong place and i look down it just changed the address on me and sent me to the wrong place oh geez and then i'm just cursing as i'm driving as fast as i can through i loved it dude like thank you for letting me drive through all this area this is cryptic country it
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Seems to be going on all over the world, right? Where you're having an uprise against the government leaders. You see that in Europe all over the place now. Yeah, France.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
It's interesting, man. If you talk to Canadians, and I've been going up there doing stand-up for years, I don't know anyone who likes this guy.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
So, you know, you'll have debates on an electoral college and why we should and shouldn't have it. And I go, if you don't have an electoral college in America, you're going to get Canada. And what Canada is, is the city of Toronto, the province of Ontario, they decide the election every year. So by the time they vote, because we got time zones.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
You don't even need to vote on the West because most of the population lives there. And, you know, we can get into, like, why they hurt us into these big cities. So when I'm driving around here in encrypted country, I'm like, oh, this is so great. You can live your life here. You can corral us all into these big cities, which I think are like free-range reservations, right? Yeah.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
You think you're free and all this stuff, but everywhere you go, there's drugs, alcohol. It's like you're way more limited than you think. So you corral people into big cities. What are the big jobs? Corporations. Now you get people into corporations, and now they have to kind of play the game of group think if they want to move up and get a raise or a promotion.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
So you have to kind of play with the group, what the group wants, even if, again, the most ridiculous – ridiculous thoughts. You have to play that game or else you'll never get it. And that's how you promote people. That's how you control people.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
I'm looking for Mothman and Dogman.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
But I think it's changing, though. I agree with you, yeah. I think people are leaving the big city realizing that's not what they want to do. Like, look at you guys are crushing it out here. That's, like, so amazing to me. Like, that's the beauty. Whatever you want to say about the internet, CERN developed it. I don't know. I think it's God-given, and it's, like, really woken up a lot of people.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
And that's why they're desperate to control it, and I just don't think they can.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
For sure. And huge Christmas ornaments everywhere.
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Well, there's a lot of you can get into that as well. I've been talking a lot about this, but it's like when you look at when Obama came in, we were kind of over old white, old man warmongers. And who does he run against but one of the old white warmongers? So it's almost like they corralled everybody in. So if you kind of study what Trump is, we're all over the woke stuff.
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I saw a Godzilla-sized snowman on the way. You don't see in L.A.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
So who do you have out there? The most woke people. human being you could possibly run. Almost crawling there. And it's like, everyone's like, how do you spend a billion dollars? How do you lose a billion dollars? You're paying for people to come to your arena shows?
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Like, that's what I think all the money, and they don't want to admit that, that that's where all the money went, was filling up these arenas to give the illusion that she had this giant groundswell of people.
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Everyone.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
But after COVID, like, is anything that crazy?
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Well, you know, when Obama came in, he had everything. The White House, the Congress, the Senate. And then out of nowhere came this magical blue dogs. They're like... We're not going to let him just do whatever he wants. And I think that's how they do it. You already have this woman in Alaska going, I'm not going to co-sign off all of Trump's nominees. And you're like, oh, Red Dogs.
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And that's kind of because the whole thing is the locket and gridlock that only the uniparty stuff gets passed without having a real debate and fight with each other. you know, it's interesting. So, you know, it's like, how, how powerful are they? Uh, you know, it's like, can you from Switzerland or wherever the WEF is literally control the world? Can you do that?
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I mean, like, look, we had a plan here today and I showed up an hour late because I like, and that's just a, you know, a huge, great podcast, but that's just, that's what is this? Six people here, you know, like, or five people, like, And that didn't go according to plan. So now you're going to run Switzerland?
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From Switzerland, you're going to have the entire country, the entire world on lockdown? I think... I think... We're all spiritual and religious here. It's like, are you going with God or are you going against God? And when you go against God, it eventually catches up with you. And that's my honest opinion. None of these, even Kyle Schwab, who's the most powerful guy in the world that we know of.
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I think if you know their name, they're not running anything. But that's the LARP presentation. But who is presented as the most powerful guy? Right? I mean, he's not above God. The black nobility isn't above God.
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Isn't it kind of crazy that a three-body problem came out right a little before this, like at the beginning of the year? What is that? That's the Netflix show about this alien race that's coming and the entire world just comes together to figure out how we're going to deal with these aliens from... They aren't going to get here for 400 years.
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Right. But now you got everybody on lockdown for 400 years. Right. Yeah. I mean, that kind of that that that has been the whole thing that Ronald Reagan in his speech gave that, you know, we're probably going to need an alien attack to get everybody to work together.
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First kid, money kids?
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Second kids, nice.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Yeah, I totally agree.
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I think all culture is manipulated. I think it's all manufactured. I think we mistake culture for our heritage, like our lineage, our heritage, our things we pass down to the next generation. And this group, whether they're intelligence agencies or whatever, they insert culture going back to the easy versus the simple. And I think that's to lead you kind of away from God's path.
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And, you know, like, the whole thing with Trump is, like, you know, I'm 52 years old, okay? Like, I've yet to have a president not let me down.
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So I go in there with hope.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
And Sam. Say something nice. I'm dead on the inside. Please fill him up.
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With hope, but I'm guarded, right? I have guarded hope. And I'll cheer him on when he does well, and I'll boo him when he does crazy stuff. But we have seen in history... Where there's these moments with these world leaders where they kind of get like...
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boy right like they have that moment where they kind of like hey I'm actually have an opportunity to do something and save my people because if you have all the money and all the power forever yeah then you kind of go what's my legacy gonna be and you see it like whether it was Gaddafi and he wanted to get you know them off the petrodollar into like this kind of afro coin that would everyone be on and you saw with Saddam Hussein you saw you know you see these people kind of wake up and they kind of want to
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do something better or different. I don't know if it's good or evil, but they want to go kind of against the puppet masters. So you can go, Trump has this real opportunity to go down as the greatest to ever do it.
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And there's very few of us who ever get to feel what that feels like and what is that pressure and how much does he want it and how much does he have to play ball?
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He's got that picture right over there. I think that guy trying to do it. I think Jimmy Carter tried. I think he got he just got really manipulated.
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He got set up. And but I think it was probably it's probably JFK. Yeah.
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Tucker's been on this kick where he's like, we need to, like, reimagine Nixon. I go, well, you know, it's very, I get sent these, you know, my fans are great and they send me videos that I would never have heard of. And there was a time where 60 Minutes did, like, really great work. Yeah. Yeah. That got to television? How did this get to television?
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Well, there was a time before Clinton deregulated. I'm not trying to get into politics, but there was a time before the media was deregulated. And there's this story. There was a lawyer in Boston who wanted to figure out why all these Nazis are everywhere. So he started, like, doing a deep investigation, and he's just pressing the CIA. He's pressing the FBI.
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He does, you know, Right of Information Act, whatever that's called. Freedom of Information Act on him. And he's pressing them. He's pressing them. And they're like, fine. You get one day. Come on down here. You can look at all these documents, but you're not allowed to take notes. You can just read them.
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Do I got to make it up, or are you guys just going to do it? No, we get to perform for you.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
And he basically saw the story that Nixon, Truman, and Rothschilds basically were part of the... Who were, like, all part of Operation... Paperclip. Paperclip.
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Yeah, and you guys can find it. Look up the video. You watch, you're like, this is insane. It got on 60 Minutes. Really?
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Why did he get rid of them then? That's the weird thing. Why did he get rid of that?
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Then you get into what really Watergate was about, and it gets this whole thing. It's like, is there another layer? Does this story have a basement that we haven't heard of? Wait, was Nixon framed? Well, let's just say... It wasn't about breaking into an office.
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Watergate was not about that. That was a story we were sold on, and it was much later.
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Yeah. They got the information other ways, let's just say.
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I love you guys. I was so excited when you reached out.
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I'm knocking on my door. Go FBI! Go FBI!
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Got to get in the zone, dude.
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Boom.
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Mother nature's next. Forward slash ninjas.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
You're like, you just want one to run through walls.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Which one shrinks the cloves? The hot water?
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
So you want the cold water.
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How about Magic Mind? For your magic mind.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
All right, let me see it. Sam, there we go. Let me see it. Have you done this on Rogan yet? I've never done it. Hey, this is it right here. So how long do I sniff? Because I'm a sniffer.
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The clash storm.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Like a Viking cup. The horn of a bull. How do you hit? How do you, like, baseball it?
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Is it just a tap tap?
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
How many women met their husbands getting chased and getting spanked with a bullhorn?
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Yeah, maybe it's the number one way for hooking up on this island. It's scary. Like nobody's dating anymore.
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All that's in it.
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Yeah.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Oh, my. Have you guys seen when you take a praying mantis, you put it in the water? No. What comes out of it?
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But the parasite is the size of the... It's like a second person living in you.
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Dude, I remember getting stung by a bee and thinking I got shot. Like it was like a drive-by. I was like, ah! You know, that was when my daughter's like over the summer and a bee hit me and I didn't cry and I felt like such a grown-up. Yeah, that's crazy. I'm like, look who's all grown up. Nobody's crying right now.
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Yes. No, well, the Bulls, but they think they got the guy.
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So basically there's this giant conference going on, and it's a healthcare conference. And because nobody likes to play deductibles, right? Nobody likes paying deductibles. How did we agree to that? All these CEOs have security contracts. Right. So everywhere they go. But for some reason, this guy didn't have security and he's and someone had the timing. He was walking there.
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They say waited in on the corner all day, like all night. Didn't leave. The guy walks by. Bang, bang, click, you know, jams, bang, bang, bang. So they get to pull the bolts out. They have words on them.
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Yeah, yeah. Delay, deny. Deny, right? Like it's probably the process of going through your insurance. So anyways- And he had a silencer. And he had a weird silencer on an old gun that they think wasn't meant to work together. Really? Or maybe it was a 3D printer.
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It would make sense, and then you don't know what's real and what's not fake. So anyways, there's all these great researchers on Twitter right now, and I forget the name of her account, but she's doing deep research into it, and she finds a guy who is like, I can track his city bike.
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Okay, so this guy's tracking a city bike. And then all of a sudden they see he's at Starbucks and all this stuff, this assassin. Guess what? Turns out there's a good chance that the assassin is the guy that tracked the city bike. Data.
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That just came out. Oh, my God. And it's almost like it's like this weird Gen X or Gen Z kind of like cloud chasing, like weird thing. Like, why would you insert yourself into the investigation? Which is what somewhat like serial killers like to do too. Yeah. Yeah.
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But they see him because they see him at Starbucks, which is the most like Generation Z assassin is going to Starbucks first before you're about to off somebody, right? Grabbing a latte, then going to shoot somebody. I'm going to kill somebody without caffeine? Are you kidding me? Yeah. That's why you need Magic Mind. So then they tracked it, and they see he's got the mask up, but he's smiling.
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He looks just like the guy. They haven't confirmed it's him, but it's really weird that the guy that was tracking the bike has suddenly got the same kind of apparel. He's got that Assassin's Creed hood going on and all that stuff. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
You want to talk about assassins.
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He's involved in some crazy stuff, like some denying. Insurance is just crazy.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
And there's something with, like, something's going on with money. Allegedly, not maybe money laundering, but something with money that he costs the company a lot of money. So people might be upset about that.
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I mean, like, how many commercials are just pharmaceutical commercials? Like, in everything. Why do you buy Pfizer? Like, after they pay out a bazillion dollars in fines for lying about their stuff, there's still a lot to keep going.
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Well, you want to get into how dark pharmaceutical companies are. They supposedly had a cure for Alzheimer's and they didn't put it out.
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It's great. It's great. I mean, it is great. You go to Toronto, you're like, oh, this is what the world could be like if you didn't spend 50 cents of every dollar on your military. They're very lucky because they're next door to, like, grape ape, right? Like, that will smash anybody if they mess with them. So they don't need a big military. Yeah. What was the purpose of me telling you this?
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So you go there and you go, wow, man, everybody looks really healthy. Yeah. The skin's very clear. And you go, oh, because they're, and this is not about universal healthcare, but I'm just saying their whole health system is based on keeping costs down.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. You're like, man, everyone's got good skin in this place.
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Well, Canadians are fiercely love being Canadians, just like every other country except for ours, where you're not allowed to be like that, and that's done on purpose. Like Britain, when a British boxer fights here, the whole country comes here and sings Hail to the Queen or whatever that song is. They love being British. Canadians love being Canadian. Brazilians love being Brazilians.
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Americans are the only ones where they're like, ah, America, wah, wah, wah. And that's all done as psychological operations.
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But what a great marketing. It's like not to run all year long and act like there's scarcity. You got to get this fake meat while you can.
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Yeah, he was in charge of the Washington State Federal Reserve. And he also established Planned Parenthood. So he was like... Bill Gates' dad? Bill Gates' dad. Whoa. Yeah. So, like, yeah. I mean, like, he ran the Bank of Banks. You know, the biggest Federal Reserve is New York's Federal Reserve.
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Super. The most powerful of all of them. Yeah. But the Federal Reserve in Washington State is very powerful as well, and he ran that. And... The whole story of Bill Gates is like, you get into these billionaires, it's all, it's all LARPs and lies. And you study like Jeff Bezos and like, he's the hardest working guy. He worked so hard. He just got in his garage and never stopped.
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And you're like, and his grandpa established DARPA. His grandpa established DARPA. He used to work in nuclear energy, and they brought him over, and he created the U.S. government's department of DARPA, where all the crazy stuff comes out of.
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Jeff Bezos' grandfather.
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120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
That's Mr. Bezos to you.
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Which is like, you kind of get into like, you know, if you're asking me, like, Amazon is just a wing of the government. You know, it's just like, they're like, why doesn't Amazon pay any taxes? Well, why would the government pay taxes to itself?
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Yeah, yeah.
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I just want to be the guy who has to go ask them. Can we audit you again? They're like, yeah, go have a good time. Do it.
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I thought you guys were still doing it.
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It's all eugenics. Yeah, true. It's all eugenics. You want people to be able to have who can't afford health care to get health care. I mean, I think we all agree on that, but- Then you start getting into the darker and darker. There always is the presentation of climate change is to save the planet.
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But when you really get deep, deep into the guts of it, it's about destroying your economy and just taking away all your rights. I mean, that's what it equals at the end of the day. When Trump got out of that, when Trump got out of the... out of the Paris Climate Change. It's like people didn't realize what that Paris Climate Accord was. It wasn't about curbing anything.
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It was about basically making countries buy credits from this group called the Club of Rome, which is one of those old, old, like...
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old old companies that are groups that just run the world like it's it's right there with the Bilderberg group it's like one of those the committee of 300 it's the club of Rome which is now in guess what country Switzerland they all like I'm telling you Switzerland like that's the everyone's like oh this country that country runs it that's Switzerland nobody ever messes with Switzerland
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They're always like, we're neutral. I'm like, you can do that? You can just tell everybody you're neutral?
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Yeah, so the Club of Rome has from the start started. Club of Rome. Yeah, it's called the Club of Rome. Never heard of it.
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I'm blessed. You are. I've talked to a lot of interesting people that have told me a lot of interesting stuff. And so it's like, that's all it was. So, you know, they didn't even want... So to get China and to get India to come in, they...
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lowered the the the the basically or they raised the amount of pollution they could put out right so the whole point was to just kind of pound on america and cripple our in our economy to pay off this kind of tax to buy credits so i could you know the u.s would have to go to thailand and buy all these credits which is just money going to the uh club of rome it was never about cleaning
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And like, oh, we got to lower CO2. You mean the stuff that trees make oxygen with? Like where's CO2? Like the whole thing is just a giant scam to just destroy, completely control us. So it's like, I don't know if you guys know this, but every day on the internet, there's just another video of parts of planes falling off, people getting in fistfights on plane, delays everywhere.
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Well, if you study like the UN or the... or the World Economic Forum's 2030 or 2050 plan, they don't want you flying. Oh, really? It's all about getting you not to fly. They want you to be so miserable. If they want you in a 15-minute city, why do they want you to fly around the world or fly around the country? You know, and, like, whatever you want to say about Trump, he's like, freedom cities.
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I'm like, ah, that's a rebranding right there of a 15-minute city.
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That's it. They don't want you flying. That's it. That's the whole thing.
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Why would they want you traveling? Yeah. The real stuff is to watch what they do. And they fly in private jets on giant boats and on giant parts of land with giant buildings. Why they want you to be in a tiny house and drive a tiny car.
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Watch what they do. That's what the real stuff is.
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Go buy some. Yeah, dude. I mean, I'm driving around. I'm just like, oh, my God. These people don't even live there. They're neighbors, man. They don't even see their neighbors. It's so great, man. I could live in Florida for sure, man. Like deep. I mean, now you got the internet everywhere. You just get a bunch of flat screens. You're good to go.
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It's a blessing. It's like living on top of each other. I know.
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LA is like, it has this amazing energy. When you land, you get addicted to the energy, but it is culturally, it is artistically dead.
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It is like- Like stagnant? Yeah. Well, cancel culture did a huge amount of damage, and everybody is just afraid of getting canceled to the point that you can't really- It used to be, you can't really say anything. It used to be back in the day where like you would do your crazier stuff in LA and then you go on the road and kind of simplify it.
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And now it's the exact opposite. Now it's like, you got to go real simple and I can't do it. Like you give me 50 minutes. I want to jump into like, is everybody in a Satanism? Like, that's what I open with.
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Like, did everyone sell their soul? And if you sold your soul, Did everyone get a cool gig? Or did somebody have to get a herpes commercial? And that's all they got for selling their soul. So they just stare at you. So it's culturally dead. It needs to rebrand itself. It needs to shake off a lot of the useless bureaucracy of it. It needs to get back to art and letting people do art.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Have the artist decide what is artistic and not a bunch of suits.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Oh, yeah. They're trying them.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
No. Okay.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
So ridiculous.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Calfarts. They have to have a meeting where they're just like, what is the most ridiculous thing that we can come up with that we're going to shove down their throats and they're going to think we're ridiculous, but they can't do anything about it. We're just spitballing here. Anything. What do you got?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
No bad ideas.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
That's it. He's on to something. You're hired.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Show us how you could do it. Yeah, but you're going from a point where you think he's coming from. I know. He's a good guy with Nixon. My favorite thing is his daughter's like, all my friends won't talk to me because of my dad. I'm like, your dad's Darth Vader.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Get them out. Get them out. Well, you know, I've talked about this before. I've talked about this on Roseanne, but it's like, you know, we're really mammals. It's like animal planet, right? Like we're like this herd of animals going and these apex predators come and pick off one of the prey and the herd does nothing and they just keep moving. Like they just lost them. Keep moving.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Same thing with Bill Gates. It's like, you know, It's like you could go, are there lizard people? I don't know, but they all seem to be related and nothing seems to happen to them.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Yeah, and it's just crazy how it's like nobody gets tried for anything. I mean, like, if you go, you know, we're on YouTube, so I don't want to get, but things that Bill Gates has done, you go, somebody should be in trouble.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Yeah, I had a bug on me in Florida. I'm like, oh, Bill Gates.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Wait one second.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
No, I want to, but I feel bad. Dude, we can make it happen. I'm not against it, but I just feel bad.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Yeah. And I'll just hit him in the butt?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
I would move here tomorrow if I could get my kids out here. All right.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Let's go. Let's go. I'll be here every day. Got another shirt?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
So I have a new special. It's a little dirty, so if you're not into that, I might not want you to get out. But if you don't mind it, it's called Why Is Everybody Getting Quiet? You can find it on my YouTube channel, samtriplee.com or Twitter. It's doing really well for me. It's got like over 400,000. It's almost at half a million views. For me, the shadow ban king, yeah. It's great.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
I also have a comic book that I'm putting out called The Chaos Twins. If you go to chaostwins.com, you know, you have kids. You're like, okay, what am I watching here on YouTube? What was that reference for this? It's like... I'm doing it with a guy out of Florida named Paranoid American. And it's a comic book about my daughters. And they live on a block and every house is a different conspiracy.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
And they just learn about it's the way teacher kids about how the world works. It's called Chaos Twins. Go to chaos twins dot com. We have the second issue coming out. And then what else? Yes. Sam Tripoli dot com for all my premium content. And yeah, that's about it.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
It has to be where the eyes move and you guys just think I'm judging you all the time. I'm like, where you go? Sam, do you agree?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
Thank you. Do you want my cane or howl?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
I was like, that was amazing. Did you hear a lisp?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
120 - Secret Societies and Schemes You've Never Heard of with Sam Tripoli
But he was psychic too?
Planet Money
The Big Government Money Pipe Freeze
What's that? Just some stuff I was scribbling, computing some simple probabilities of some things.
Planet Money
The Big Government Money Pipe Freeze
It's to study some problems in computer science using some math tools. I guess that's the short description. I try to prove what computers can't do. I try to find the limits of computation using math tools.
Planet Money
The Big Government Money Pipe Freeze
Let's see. A lot of volatility. Looks like I see a big, well, sort of levels out, drops down to zero, and then a big spike after that.
Planet Money
The Big Government Money Pipe Freeze
Yeah, it's nice to see. It's better, you know, if you see zero, then that's, that would not be ideal.
Planet Money
The Big Government Money Pipe Freeze
Especially in an age when, yeah, there is a lot of misinformation around. You know, it's nice to have an actual source that shows you the numbers. Yeah.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Sister-in-Law Overshares About Her Sex Life
Yeah. And we've had the conversation about me, you know, unplugging for an hour or whatever. And her comeback to that is I work 60, you know, 50 hours a week. I'm away from you and her. And I don't want, to take away any time from our family so that you can go be by yourself or, you know, be with your online friends or whatever it is.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Sister-in-Law Overshares About Her Sex Life
Yeah. And it's just been, it's just been a lot. And I try and power through, you know, I do the normal guy thing, right? Like you've talked about dozens of times, like just power through, like that's, that's our culture now, um, is that we're, that we're expected to do that with little or no, um, you know, thanks or a little, little to no, you know, you know, appreciation.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Sister-in-Law Overshares About Her Sex Life
Um, and I, I've expressed that to her and we've gotten a lot better. I think she's gotten a lot better about expressing that as well. It's just, uh, yeah, it's just a lot sometimes.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Sister-in-Law Overshares About Her Sex Life
Hey, Dr. John. Thanks a lot for taking the time to take my call. Heck yeah, man. What's up? So just going to cannonball in, I guess. Let's do it. So I met my wife on a dating app in late 23, and she found out she was pregnant in early 24. Was it yours?
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Sister-in-Law Overshares About Her Sex Life
And so August, I am a father of a beautiful baby girl. And so my life kind of changed basically overnight. I went from being single, not really a bachelor, but definitely single, to wife, kids. Oh, so you got married?
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Sister-in-Law Overshares About Her Sex Life
I mean, I feel like it was. I feel like she was pretty definitely open. She definitely went full feet in like I did. She was like, yes, I want to do this. I want to continue to build our relationship. Yes, it's going to look different because we're going to be married and we're going to have a kid, but I... I feel like we have enough of a foundation there that we can do that.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Sister-in-Law Overshares About Her Sex Life
That was what she said to me.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Sister-in-Law Overshares About Her Sex Life
She's six months. Six months. Okay. She was born August of 24. Okay.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Sister-in-Law Overshares About Her Sex Life
Yeah, literally sometimes. So I... Of course, she had her maternity leave. And after that, of course, as we've discussed several times on the show, childcare is very expensive. So I... said, okay, I'll take on the burden of, you know, being a stay at home dad. Um, I also work full time. So I do it work. So it's very hit or miss whether I'm busy or like a lot of the time, it's very slow.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Sister-in-Law Overshares About Her Sex Life
It's a lot. I do have a lot of downtime for my job. So I'm basically getting paid to take care of her and run the house. Um, what does she do for a living? Um, she, uh, um, She's a, she works in skilled nursing. Okay. All right. Um, so I, um, you know, I took all this on and so I'm working full time. I'm taking care of the baby full time, doing all the household chores, um,
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Sister-in-Law Overshares About Her Sex Life
And I just feel like I'm kind of lost somewhere. Like I, like, uh, where am I? Um, and then kind of to add onto this, um, I'm legally blind. Um, I can see I have, um, I'm basically nearsighted essentially, but I can't drive. So there's no, you know, there's no going out on the weekend. There's no me driving, um, anywhere or doing anything like that. So I, I hate to use the word like prisoner.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Sister-in-Law Overshares About Her Sex Life
Right. But some days I wake up and I do feel that way. Sure. Um, and so before all this started, I kind of, my social, uh, kind of outlet was, was video games because obviously I can't just get up and go to the bar or go to bowling every weekend or it was, it's very difficult for me to do those things even with Uber and whatever, you know,
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Sister-in-Law Overshares About Her Sex Life
So I was always... That's kind of always been my social outlet. That's been my mental outlet to just shut everything else off and go blow stuff up for a couple hours or whatever. And I feel like now that's just completely gone. And I feel horrible for feeling that. I feel selfish for wanting that time. It's just... I hope I'm making sense. Yeah, totally.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Left the Church (and Wants Me to Leave Too)
Thanks for taking my call. Yeah. So, um, uh, had a real tough year this past year. Um, my wife and I are struggling through, uh, and we're trying to understand what can I do next. So about a year ago, my wife let me know that she no longer wanted to attend the church that we've been going to for the entirety of our marriage. How long is that? 12 years. We've been going to this... Go ahead.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Left the Church (and Wants Me to Leave Too)
Oh, yeah. So we've been going to this church, heavily involved. It's been a bedrock of our lives and our marriage and our kids. And then she said that's no longer something she wanted to do. And it took a minute for me to kind of accept that. And really now where I'm struggling is trying to...
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Left the Church (and Wants Me to Leave Too)
I'm wrestling with the fact that she has such a negative viewpoint of a former church of ours and is still very much involved in seeking out others who kind of share in that negative viewpoint. And I can't help but think that she might
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Left the Church (and Wants Me to Leave Too)
um, some way look down on me because I haven't seen the same viewpoint that she has, or, um, you know, it isn't a, um, I just feel like she might share those same feelings towards me, right. That she has over this former church of ours. That is a negative experience for her.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Left the Church (and Wants Me to Leave Too)
I think a lot of it came from what she viewed as how people were treated. I didn't see the same things that she saw, but there was a very conservative viewpoint. So were these women? Were these gay and lesbian folks? Were these children? Were these... Like, yeah, I think she's had a really hard time with what she perceived, how women were treated.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Left the Church (and Wants Me to Leave Too)
Um, and, uh, you know, I can, I can sympathize with that, but I didn't see the same thing. I'm obviously not a woman, so I didn't see those things. I didn't experience those things, but I didn't, um, you know, I, I didn't see her point of view. Um, and now I, I,
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Left the Church (and Wants Me to Leave Too)
I struggle with the fact that because I didn't come with her or see the same things that she saw, you know, she might look down on me for that.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Left the Church (and Wants Me to Leave Too)
My wife let me know that she no longer wanted to attend the church that we've been going to. I just feel like she might share those same feelings towards me, right? That she has in this former church of ours that is a negative experience for her.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Left the Church (and Wants Me to Leave Too)
Have you asked her? Yes. What'd she say? That? No, she doesn't think that. Um, I, but yeah, I guess it's, it's a story I'm telling myself. I can't, I can't rationalize, and this is, you know, maybe a problem of my own, but I can't rationalize the thought process of having all of this negativity towards something, this church that I'm, you know, a part of necessarily.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Left the Church (and Wants Me to Leave Too)
And how could she not share that with towards me? Um, but you know, as you said, she has said she doesn't, um, But I can't get over that story that I'm telling myself that she's linking that with me as well.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Left the Church (and Wants Me to Leave Too)
Yeah, no, and I'll say I've been wanting to have that conversation. Quite honestly, I've been scared to up until now just because every conversation around those sorts of topics has been a struggle for us. Tell me about the struggle. Yeah. I think I have just viewed the conversations as – because I see her in this seeking the poison, as you were alluding to.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Left the Church (and Wants Me to Leave Too)
Every conversation has been a negative conversation of – And maybe that's the problem – maybe that's what I need to do is really approach it as where do we have common ground, and that's one thing I haven't – we haven't done yet.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Left the Church (and Wants Me to Leave Too)
No, I mean, we really don't want to. We've been saying that from the beginning that, no, that's not an avenue we want to try.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
it was oh here we go it's um 11 14 of 24. okay so it was november of last year
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Well, I don't want to disclose that, but I mean, I'm being, I retained, you know, um, I'll tell you that, uh, Chris and Katie are the signers on the, um, engagement letter and, uh, retainer agreement, but it's on behalf of... I'm working on behalf of Sebastian. I am not... My client is Sebastian, and they're the guardians that have the ability to sign. What they want to make clear is that
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I've never, ever worked for a defense attorney or a prosecutor. I'm boots on the ground. I find people. I'm more search and rescue than anything. But when I work, if I was to find any real evidence that Chris and Kate were involved, I would be the first one. I mean, I wouldn't hesitate for a second to contact TBI or whoever it may be. I'm not there to play defense or anything.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Missing persons ran through there and there would be searches that would be conducted that using the state aircraft and. And so that was my 1st kind of introduction to it. And then from there, I went to a as a fixed wing pilot to a private team in Texas that. This is this 20. Four years ago, 25 years ago. So this is before thermal drones and whatnot.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I'm there to find Sebastian. And if they have anything involvement, then I'll make sure they're held accountable. I don't know what happened to Sebastian. I wish I could say I'm on the verge of cracking this case. I do not know. I don't know where he is. And I don't know what happened to him. Anything is on the table. So I'm not protecting them.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Yes, they signed the paperwork. I mean, I think, yeah, there's no trickery there. I just don't want to get too deep into it.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I'm employed by them, but I'm... I consider myself working for Sebastian, and that's how my agreements are written, that I'm there working for the missing person, and this person's, you know, signing either as their guardian or as their executor or whatever it may be, depending on their age, you know, if they're, you know.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
The $15,000 minimum is correct. The $700 an hour is not great. You know, everything I say gets taken seriously. So I get people, for instance, Ballerina Betty. She gets on and talks about how she follows me from case to case to case. So she gets on and talks about how, oh, my God, how dare he charge me?
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Family, $2,000, and I'm like, listen, I don't charge – don't put it out there that I charge $2,000 because then people are going to think I can be traveling around the country for a $2,000 retainer. I can't be doing that. I'm like, I'm much more expensive than that.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
And so sarcastically, like at one point, there was another guy giving me a hard time about this, and at one point I put in my bio my –
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
uh rate my hourly rate is two million dollars per hour and the guy took it literally and started sending it all around the internet you know it's just so some of the stuff is like you know it's like you can't deal with these people anymore and it's like yeah so that ridiculous i'll be that ridiculous and you know so no it's not um
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I will tell you my rates, my standard rack rates are probably average out. Well, I charge a daily rate. I'll just be honest with you. I don't do hourly because it's more search-based. So when I'm working, I'm working on a –
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I'm working on a day rate, so I'm usually, it's usually, you know, about 2200 dollars a day and then there might be a quick, you know, it depends if we're bringing in thermal drones, underwater ROVs, because I own all that equipment.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
It can vary based on that too, you know, so, but we do have minimums because I'm going across the country to bring all this equipment and other operators coming in then, you know, and but with that said. About 70% of my cases are pro bono. So the money that I do bring in, I've been fortunate to work some cases where families have the ability to pay that.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
And then that funds some other cases, you know, because I've never done a GoFundMe or anything like that.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
So we were mainly looking for like downed aircraft or, you know, people that were lost in really remote areas using FLIR and whatnot. And so I always have stayed with search and rescue. And I started, you know, search and rescue involves a. my degree of investigation, right?
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
If there is, I just have not seen any evidence of it yet. And, you know, I think that. People got to realize that it's been a long time now. We're coming up on a year pretty quick. And you got TBI, you got Sumner County, you got FBI to an extent. You had Secret Service involved at the beginning.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
These are agencies, like if there was something there that was really obvious or even not that obvious, somebody would have been charged by now, even if without Sebastian being found. But there's nothing, and it's baffling. It really is. It's really hard to wrap your head around this case, how this got pulled off or whatever has happened, and I don't know what's happened. But I haven't seen it.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Do I think it could just be an autistic walk-away situation, which is very... Even though he's not an eloper, I get it. It still happens. 50% of autistic kids will run away. 50% will run away by the time they turn 18. So... It still could happen. And so do I think about that and that he could be in a really weird crevice somewhere close to the house, kind of like we saw with Caleb Harris? I do.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I wonder about that, too. But I don't know. I wish I had the answers. There's not I mean, there's so little to go on in this. You know, it's like we we've collected a lot of evidence now, you know, stuff that should help us lead to him. And it's not. Without leading us to him.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
whole different thing they dropped the ball on the case so it did occur to me like you know maybe maybe there was a situation like that where sebastian is somewhere closer to home than everybody thinks i so i will say that i firmly believe if this and i don't know if it is but if it's a situation where it's a he snuck out of the house or walked away on his own and um
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
It has to usually, you have investigators working with you because it's usually you're a branch, you're an extension for that search of law enforcement. And from there, it just kind of, it went into where I became in-house investigator for a law firm that specialized in family law. So there was,
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
he, you know, unfortunately hit a crevice or something like that, and this wasn't an abduction, then I will firmly believe he's within 0.7 miles of that house still. I don't care... how big the search and rescue effort was.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I've been doing search and rescue long enough to know that people get missed because when we're searching, you know, we're searching certain, we're doing hasty searches at the beginning, not grid searches.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
And those are, you know, have about a 40% probability detection, 30 to 40%, because what we're banking on is that the person we're looking for will have the ability to also see us and call out to us. And between the two, you know, so we're covering, More area quicker, but we miss people and that happens. And then that's when these people get found.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
They're like, well, wait, they were like, I think Caleb was 300 yards or 300 feet or guards from his apartment. And there's tons of other, you know, there was a girl in Tennessee. uh, her name just to save me, but it was in a cornfield right behind the house that had been searched multiple times. So it happens.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
And, and, um, one of the things that has really worried me recently, since I got a lot of surveillance footage from the neighborhood, uh, over a hundred hours worth is watching the, um, the day of the 26th, there's cameras that point out over the construction area.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
And, you know, watching that all day, including when the canines are there and there's other searchers, but the heavy machinery does not stop at all during the day, not throughout the whole day. And that includes just, I'm not sure, you know, the bulldozers or whatever, the loaders of dirt just filling this one retention pond area. Mm-hmm.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
one after another after another it worries me like could he have been hiding in a corner of that deep hole or something and then the first load of the day does it accidentally i mean i hate to say that and and it's tragic and i know his parents may have been watching this and but it's a reality that we have to think about and so that's why we're talking about you know ground penetrating radar now that we've seen that footage and been like my god because i thought
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
that are assumed that the construction equipment stopped for the day, but it didn't. And they were moving so much dirt.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
So I know that – so I will say I have access to the SARTOPO maps, which are what all the first responders use. And so they did clear – A few of those cases, but there are a ton of them. And there's one in particular that they said that they couldn't clear because when they got to it, it was already partially collapsed. Like, it looked like a recent collapse.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
And also, like, we... Just on the last search out there, we found several of these. I don't even know what you call them. They're, like, huge vents. And they drop straight down. And, I mean, it'd be really easy to hit one of those. So, I... You know, we cleared a couple.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
There's a couple that I wasn't comfortable with because I'm not on... Like, search and rescue teams usually have cave specialists, and I'm not. I'm claustrophobic. I'm not on that team. Never will be. But there's other people like Stephen Crabtree and Cletus and stuff that are local, and they know these areas really well, and they have been cleared.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
They've been dropping cameras down into these, and they've cleared a lot, but there's still so many of them left. But then... You go – and they have to be checked, but then you go, if he doesn't have shoes, how the hell is he out there? And so that's the other baffling thing. So to answer your question, there's still a lot that need to be cleared.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
custodial interference cases, you know, which are essentially, you know, these are dealing with wealthier cases and stuff and kind of trickier situations. And from there, then I went ahead and decided to get my PI license just because there is a fine line when you're working search and rescue as to where you cross over into, you know, actually working as an investigator.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Yeah. So, all right. Yeah. Yeah. There's a couple conflicting stories about that, and I'll be honest with you, I don't know 100% what the real one is. I'll tell you as I understand it.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
So, originally, I heard it like everybody else heard it, that Max, because from the dispatch audio, Max is handler, you know, he's on scene, and then all of a sudden, Max is on set, and Max is in the retention pond, right? So, and then we had heard that, and I do know that there was... A few dogs, and now these were scent-specific dogs. So Max is not scent-specific.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Max is a, you know, he'll pick an air scent dog. So he'll pick up any, you know, he's just looking for the strongest scent. Now, scent-specific, meaning they have taken a scent article from Sebastian. So a handler, a trained handler will go in there.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
with a paper bag and collect a scent article usually a pillowcase or underwear or socks or something and then they'll scent the dog and then the dog will you know be dozed down and um as opposed to up in the air like air said and uh we'll try and we'll try and um track trail that and so there was dogs that went out the front door uh to the left along the fence line.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
So it would be along their fence line, but there's a house over there. And then back up the fence line, kind of like it was coming back. But then cuts across the neighbor's yard where there's no fence. So from that point, now that's what was visualized of the canines doing. So you can assume that's what they're doing. Now from there, once they're out of eyesight,
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
We don't know, but we thought that they went up Kellen and also tracked to the retention pond. However, in the last month, things have changed as far as that goes, because I've got all the surveillance footage. I can see 20 for full. These are not like detection cameras. These were 24 hour rolling cameras. So I can see everything goes on now. Max says,
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Max is driven up in an SUV to the construction site. And then he gets out. He actually goes to one of the neighbor's yards for a second. And they're just kind of like working around. He does end up on the other end over the retention pond. Then about 2 p.m., the first bloodhound, which is... I'm going to say the first search and rescue dog that I see anyways comes up.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Now I thought search and rescue dog came up Kellen and, you know, then right into the, um, um, construction area, but that's not what happened. The, the, the, the bloodhound actually came up was already from down below was already inside the new development and was walking along the fence line that, um, separates the two. And, um,
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
So that's kind of where it evolved from.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
walked all the way up to the top essentially parallel with kellen but it was clear it was not on um any he was not on a set he does deviate there's one area where he deviates hard left 90 degrees and goes down a hill I'd like to know more about that. But then the handler, then they leave and then they're at the top and then you don't see them again. So they didn't go over to the retention spot.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
And I also on the SARTOPO maps can see the tracking lines of the canines. And none of them confirm each other. They crisscross lines and stuff. So I don't have much faith left in that there was any... true... I think Max picked up a scent. I just don't think it was Sebastian's. Gotcha.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Absolutely. Gotcha. And I will tell people that are... Because I know there's a lot of confusion or a lot of talk about the canines. All the canines... came from a separate area. None of them tracked the same thing. You could tell they were all looking for. So it was very disappointing, to be honest with you, because it was like, oh, they don't have anything.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
No. Oh, wait. That particular camera. I'm sorry. Yes. The bigger camera we're talking about, the canine.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Yes. So there's a camera across the street, and there's also a camera right behind them.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Well, I never intended to be honest with you. I never intended the investigation to be a full-time career. There was other, other careers I've had other careers I love. And I, to be honest with you, I miss, but this just has become, there hasn't been any gaps. I would, you know, I mean, I'm just, a lot of people know this already. I, you know, I,
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
So I do have the – now, the one across the street, those people didn't know how to export –
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
their footage and so i said so what they did is they um they did not export all the footage so they went through and they like took out clips um of it and they also took some um screen grabs uh of things they thought was important after going back and forth and uh or after scrubbing through all the footage because and i sat down with them for like two hours what they said was that tbi uh
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Their footage was set to overwrite after 10 days, and nobody had come and collected their footage. They're right across the street. They're right across the street. That's interesting. By far the most important camera there is, by far. And they had, like, come and seen a couple things, but they had not taken the footage.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
And so they went to the command center, the husband did, and he said, listen – hate this footage. Like it's going to overwrite tonight, you know? So they finally did take it, but they also didn't, they don't have the raw footage back. So they have, they gave me what they have and it's a lot.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
And it, it, um, it has all the, you know, uh, because there's, even though it's continuous rolling, it does also pick up, you know, have detections like with the tracking and stuff like that. So anytime a car comes in, um, up and down that road, it picks it up. Anytime, um, their lights of the province turn on.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
If they come, you know, anybody comes in and out of the driveway at their place, whatever it may be, those are detected. And so, yeah, so I have that. And there's also a house behind.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
TBI has the actual, like, hard drive. It was, like, cloud-based. But, yeah, they have all the masters. Gotcha.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Well, yeah, I mean, you know, combined, it's footage from over a couple days. So, yeah, definitely.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
That night? No. Well, they arrived home. And so I will say the one, like I said, they went through and they checked all their footage and they took out what they saw. And they, you know, captured what they saw. But what they didn't get... And what they admit that they must have just missed is when they heard that there was footage of Sebastian taking the trash out, the trash can out.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
That was news. They were surprised to hear that because they didn't see that. And so the husband told me was, you know, sitting with him at the dinner table, he said, you know. He said, I didn't know if they were being real about that or not. And he's like, I went to the command center and I said, listen, I've given you all my footage and I'm just going to ask you one question.
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And he's like, but I really need to know this because this is my neighbor and I just want to know for...
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
own sandy like did you did you really see sebastian on that footage or not and they told him absolutely and so i believe him you know i don't think they're uh and and you know keep in mind um you know seth and everybody has said that they you know that they agree so uh but i so i have not seen that just be clear i've not seen the him taking the trash can out um there was there was some i can see you know which is important to me and i'm not going to get into the exact there's going to be some things i can't say
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I'm a fashion photographer, and I've done well in that industry. But I haven't taken any jobs in the last two or three years. I haven't shot for any magazines or anything because I've just been overwhelmed with this. And so I don't know if this is like a permanent thing or not. It was never meant to be. Just because of success I've had that's been publicized, it tends to be one case after another.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I'm just going to tell you in front, but I can't give out all the details for the integrity of the investigation. But there are times when you see the lights go off or on and whatnot. So that's all detectable. It's a very clear shot of the house.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Oh, 100 percent. No, they have all that for sure. Now, I will say, too, that just because they have the footage that would show the vendor does not mean that. with the lights off in the house that you would see the, the front door open. It is incredibly dark. This is not a night vision camera. No, no, no. Well, it's set to auto, it was set to auto mode.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
So it, it, it wasn't detecting to what it was. It's set up for their front porch. Okay. And they have, they have lights like planter lights on their porch. I'm talking about the house across, you know, what's shooting from. So it's lighting for that. It's not caring really about the Proudfoot's home. Right. And so the, We tested this.
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The family there was nice enough to let us into their house and overtake their system and run tests and stuff. And we had so many people walking out. And FBI did this as well, too, just so you guys know. But just walk out of the house and see if we could detect it on the monitor at all. And we couldn't. It's that dark in the neighborhood.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Listen, I would have to ask, and I'll just be honest, because the way that people have just trampled over the profits, they don't owe anybody any favors, you know, and they don't care about, like, winning anybody's. At this point, they truly only, whether people leave or not, they just want smashed and found. And so I don't think they're going to give anybody any favors like that.
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I'll ask, but I wouldn't count on it, to be honest with you.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Yeah, and I get that. And I also see it from their end. But I will say, I know that I saw an interview or two, I think, with Seth's old PIs, where he had multiple PIs. And they said, too, that they knew, they were aware that the FBI had run these same tests. And in fact, the FBI test wasn't just for that camera, but it was to see if any of the cameras would detect him if he walked a certain route.
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And... you know, I, in fact, I know when some of the PIs like, like watching on when that was happening. So, um, I mean, I'll ask, but I can't, you know, there's gotta be some faith in the fact that the fact that FBI and, or I mean, TBI, um, and I think they've probably sent this footage.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I'm sure they've sent this footage to the FBI crime lab, which anybody, any agency is allowed to use, um, for, for enhancement. Um, and I think because he's an Amber Alert, if there was an image of him, I think they would have released something. I could be wrong strategy-wise, but I just don't think... I mean, well, let me back that up. From that camera, it's hard because I go back and forth.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I don't think that he's caught on that camera at all. But I do... In the last week, I... I do believe that they have something of him. Listen, I'll be honest with you. We have something from after midnight of a person we can't identify. I don't know if it's him. I'm not sure. But so I think they might be in the same situation where there might be other cameras that we don't know about.
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Yeah, it's a person that, but because they're wearing very dark clothing and because the light, it looks like, I don't know if you saw in the Riley strain case, do you remember like,
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under the bridge when people there was people walking by being so big you could barely see the person so it's it's like that but it's clearly clearly a person there's no doubt about it but there's no way you could identify who that person is but based on the time and the place it's like you know
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So not necessarily because, listen, I can bring that up and say, listen, there's things that there's some, maybe some hope or something, but that's something that is for investigators, you know, law enforcement, private investigators on the case. The public's not entitled to that. There's no reason to give up because what happens is Look what happens whenever we release anything.
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They go to find out who these people are. They dox them. Look at the green herding person. I mean, geez. It puts that person's life in danger. So I can't do that. There's no way. I mean, there's been times when I've released footage where it's been good to release footage because it's like, hey, there's proof.
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But then lately, this cast of characters in these cases, there is absolutely no way I'm going to let some of these people be able to see that because it puts the person in harm's way. Or they'll be in that part of the neighborhood knocking on people's doors, demanding things, you know.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Um, a lot, they, they come down, um, a street. Okay. When I say down, I don't want people are going to think I'm talking downhill and stuff, but they come one way on the street and then they, um, they pause for a while and then they go back the way they came from. And then unfortunately there's like some, um, they're, they're on, um,
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the street on the like along the edge of the tree walking along with it but then there's like a some trees that kind of matte and then you lose them and then there is other camera angles that so um but i can't see them you know it's really frustrating we don't see them again um on any of the exits so on the not exit but i need the reverse angles and just i'm
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I mean, we have myself and an analyst been going over this and I mean, we have spent day and night over and over. I mean, it's just. It's really frustrating because it's just like, poof, they're gone, you know, and we didn't even catch this person until maybe the 4th pass through. It's so faint and we've enhanced it somewhere.
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It's a little bit more visible, but because there's actually another person that we've accounted for that's walking a dog. And so they're kind of like. You know, kind of had her focus on there, but it looks like, you know, they're not with this person because we've talked to the other person. Right.
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no they didn't so you know the uber uh the only reason that i showed the uber clearly well there's a couple reasons to show that one that it's been known about the uber was there for a long time and i think uh even the gentleman who got the uber to go to the airport had put it on facebook in the first day or two that he's like oh i you know um i had an uber come at 3 30 in the morning so it did that have been known so i was a neighbor
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Not a neighbor. It was somebody in the neighborhood. It was somebody I'm telling. And so I wasn't afraid to put that out. However, the other vehicle, which I can just... Listen, I know nobody wants to take my word for it, but I can promise you...
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the car is not foreign to uh the neighborhood um it's it's known and um they uh they are not that's not you know if that person i know people would try to find out who that is and whatnot and and they go after them and this person quite honestly this person probably has no idea that you know people are trying to figure out um what car that is and stuff and it just it has nothing to do with anything unfortunately keep in mind we want
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to find the clue. So it's disappointing to us as well when, you know, when none of these, these things are connecting, you know?
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Think of it as like, you know, there's daily, you know, like people that come in Ubers and stuff like that. Or, you know, Amazon deliveries or whatever it may be. But, you know, you have the same type of person for the neighborhood, you know. So it's a known person, but not necessarily a resident.
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So I guess that's... There's a construction site next door. There's a lot of work going on. I know that it's a weird time of morning, but there's still, you know, things that... There's still, you know, workers and whatnot. It's not a worker from the construction area. I don't want to say. It's hard to say. It's a person that is...
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in that, uh, neighborhood in and out, um, you know, several times a week and it's a known person and then, and it's, there's nothing absolutely zero to it whatsoever, you know, nefarious. All right.
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So I don't believe, I think people might be confused about the, they're calling the lights video. Like, you know, we put out an analysis on it that we did on it using AI and stuff. And I think that people might be confused of what I'm saying on that, because I think I'm agreeing with what they're saying. I don't believe that's a trash truck.
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And like law enforcement's insisting that's a trash truck. There's, that's not a trash truck. And the light video is not a trash truck.
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I'm not sure where they're getting that. You know, there's some confusion because the timestamp was broke, as you said. It was stuck on that camera. It said like 3 something in the morning. People watch it again. Watch the up left corner when it pans across it. You'll see it's not moving at all. So you got to just... Forget about that 3 a.m. for a minute.
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It could be any time during night hours, right? And so with the owner, we did some recreation tests. Two or three nights we did there. The owner was extremely gracious and let everybody on the property. And he said, and I'm going to take them at their word. There's no reason not to. He said that Again, this was an old school camera. It had its own server. He did not know how to export the footage.
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TBI actually physically took the server. But he said that when they watched it, he knows... It was about, you know, a little after 5 a.m. in the morning. The reason he knows it is because right after what we see, which is, you know, that's somebody using a cell phone to record the computer monitor while it's playing.
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He said right after that, where they cut off, the trash truck turns right onto Stafford and the frame. Well, we know that the trash truck was in front of the Prowler home at 5.12 a.m. And I disclosed that to kind of give people some...
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something to go off and say listen you know so if we're going to believe the owner of the house um then that's you know then that that's more the time frame you know so so i guess well then doesn't maybe i'm just misunderstanding but then it sounds like it was the trash truck Oh, the light, I'm sorry. Because I explained, I thought, actually, I thought this is how we started talking first.
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So, no, so the thing is, is that, so when we were doing those recreation tests, we had already done the analysis of the lights themselves based on that video. And that's basically just measuring every pixel and seeing, even though the person's recording it with a shaky hand,
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Even if they're doing that, if there's, like, two mounted lights, like, say, on taillights, they're going to stay the same distance from each other no matter what's going on. So we start, and, you know, and that goes for, you know, whether it be vertical or horizontal. What we found was that those were not. Those were deviating. So those were two separate light sources.
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No, they're not. And also the color temperature and the AI being able to actually determine a shape based on what pixels were being used or not didn't match up with taillights. So what the AI was telling us is that one of them was anchored and the other was moving and was...
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very likely a flashlight which gave us a lot of hope um that maybe that was smashing and then it was just kind of like dumb luck um as you're doing this test um the cameras are rolling and in a light starts moving across the monitor and it's a it's a guy taking his trash down and, um, uh, his trash can down, uh, from an elevated driveway.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
And, uh, I know I was not there, but the rest of the people went and talked to him. And he said that morning that he had, he had forgotten to take his trash out and he had heard the trash trucks and with a to the curb. So that, we believe, can't say for certain, We believe that's much more likely. That's probably what that light is.
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But do I – I definitely do not – I know that that's not – they'll never come and say that was a trash truck for sure. Gotcha.
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I've never said that about Seth. And in fact, I've heard that, but I've never even tried to check with his employer or anything to see if there was a gap. I've heard this rumor of the gap in time, but I don't believe that, to be honest. So as far as you're aware... I'm not the source of that. They'd never be able to...
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get me you know source me on that okay cool so yeah like i said i just my only goal here is setting the record straight no i i know i appreciate that you're asking the question so people know that like there's some there's like some stuff's been attributed to me um you know people just throw things out there and um it's not true i have never ever um All right, gotcha.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
So what was... I live in California.
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I speak with the source directly. You know what I mean? And I have no reason not to believe her. You know, Seth's also confirmed this. Seth, I've got a screenshot right here on my computer of him in T-Rev's chat saying that Sebastian was the first child they had that wasn't aborted. And, you know, and he'd spoken before about how there was two previous abortions.
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And there's just no way to have two abortions together. and then have a baby or get pregnant at 18, you know, and, and listen, I, I don't want, I don't want to, I don't want Sebastian to get lost again in this. Right. But I will say that, um, Listen, there was a relationship before she was 18. That's just the long and short of it.
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I was an investigator for the family on that case, yeah.
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And I don't know why he would go down that route because he knows that can be proven. But I...
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you know i don't say about it i don't want i don't want especially get lost in it but if people just do the math just based on what he has said himself it's pretty evident now listen um it's people have dug into their backgrounds and they know that that katie has had a traumatic life and um so that might have been her best option but sadly enough you know and um
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And I don't want to say anything more than that, but is, you know.
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he's not the angel, you know what I mean, that people are saying, and she's just getting, Katie's getting run over, and it just breaks my heart sometimes, because people don't understand that, or people, I think, do understand, but they just don't seem to care, a lot of them, the truth of the situation, and again, I don't think it needs to be about whether that right now, I think it needs to be about Sebastian, and without being this, like, okay, only one, you know, one side of the parents that's
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Yes. Yeah, they brought me in. I was consulting with them while he was still missing, just as a search and rescue expert on potential...
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got to be guilty and the other isn't. I don't know why. Why can't we just find Sebastian first? Sebastian, whether he's alive or not alive, we'll tell the story of what happened, right? And so why do we have to convict the person now? Why do we have to? It's not our job anyways to build a case for law enforcement. We're talking about the TBI and Sumner County and the help of FBI.
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We're not, we can't do better than them. Right. So what we can do, though, is we can help find Sebastian. And hopefully, I wish we could keep it at that. I don't know why we got to like, because what if you're wrong? Like, what if people are wrong? And how do you ever apologize for that? How do you ever, like, make it? These parents are this horrendous, horrendous thing, you know?
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areas to search and we were calculating you know i was working on calculating um when he might surface if he was in the water based on um water temps and his body weight and stuff and where he might be and um it just just so you know it's in i can hear you fine but um i don't know if so you're right the screen is going to your logo and then when it goes back to you it's frozen and back to your logo but but i can hear you on uh on the software
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Yeah. Uh, well, I, I, I don't want to share. Can I just, can I, uh, email it?
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Yeah. Okay. So, um, yeah, let me just say, well, I'm looking for this. Um, and that's, that's totally, uh, I, I get it. And listen, I go, like I said, I go through that process. Um,
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daily also of what could have right looking at it from because i'm only following like i don't come up with a a theory and then try and bend things to fit that i i change as like like evidence so then so in like sarah you were talking about which is fair to talk about um if he was moved and would they find him?
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So then you got to go through, okay, how would you get, we know he got to the house, right? We got, if we're believing that, if we're going to believe even Seth, that he took the trash out, then how does he get out? of the house to be moved, that would take like a vehicle and stuff. And who could have been involved? Because keep in mind, there's all kinds of digital forensics.
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So, you know, there's cellbrights that have been done on, there's dash cams, there's
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there's of course the the video surveillance there's um there's all these things that we know her vehicle onboard computer like so we know where vehicles were and were not and when they were started and not started and and so then you can kind of limit down like okay they didn't leave during necessary time and you know also keep in mind that there's other stuff like um
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and I don't want to get deep into this. I'm just going to give you a general thing, but I mean, like Apple watches and stuff that show people, you know, so, you know, we can tell, just like you can tell what people may have done by those devices. You can tell what they didn't do either. Like if they're asleep or whatnot and still registering heartbeats and stuff, you know?
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What I'm seeing is, like, you're frozen right now, but I can hear you.
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I mean, I know that I know that over multiple canine, the canines were allowed in the house. I know there's been some rumor out there about them not letting canine house. That was a private.
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a handler they didn't let in the house that was saying that she was deputized by tbi but wasn't and tbi was like jill has nothing to do with us so that's the person spreading that they there was um i think 12 canines over like four days um that and they they came in the house um and then i know tbi came out with a statement saying that the house itself was searched multiple times by agents also not just canines so what about the morning of
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Yes, so the morning of, I know that they, well, let's say the morning of, the bloodhounds arrived at like,
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one i think they started about 2 p.m so i think they got on scene like 1 30 or something like that so um but i know that agents um were in the house immediately and seth even mentioned that too seth mentioned that when he arrived he sat outside for 30 minutes for some reason watching what was going on but um so there was people in and out there was no like restrictions put on who could come in and out as far as in other words the prophets didn't say nobody's allowed in that anybody that was law enforcement was allowed in and
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Just with the layout of the house, there's no – and I'm not saying there's any excuse for that in the JonBenet case, but that was a much bigger house, I think, with – there's not really any –
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hidden, you know, but it was, you know, it was searched, and, you know, keep in mind, in the coming days after that, then they started searching, like, the storm pipes and stuff under the house and whatnot, and so I'm confident, and also, you know, they did bring in, you know, canines and HRD, which are cadaver dogs, and
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also just human wise, like with that many long person, people come in and go, somebody would have picked up the section up. So, you know, yeah.
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Yeah, so there's not a – it's not downstairs. It's a, like, ranch-style house.
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So, yeah, so there was that, and then she's not there, and then what do you say? She calls Chris. Chris calls – I'm sorry. Yeah, sure.
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Yep. Not a problem. So, yeah, so I was on the Riley Strain case, and listen, I had no intention of getting involved in this case either because my – a former PI partner for like a better word. We didn't have an agency there, but we did all our cases together. She's based in Nashville. She was actually, um, on the case.
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Well, there was also... Yeah, so they called on three-way call together.
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yes okay she did got it um i will say exactly i know what you're um you know rightfully are we all smart to think about uh i will say that because of the uh placement of the various cameras um and they're not being that many um streets in that development she you can see her like driving these
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grids essentially she's never off camera in the car for more than 20-25 seconds like she'd go up straight and then come down and um so i'm confident there you know wouldn't be time to to get rid of somebody if you will um didn't she also head out east towards gallatin at one point that morning
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feel like it was Katie but I don't know for sure so there was two specific sightings that were called in I think from law enforcement there was one of a kid wearing a black hoodie that was like walking along a road and then there was somebody that was flying a drone that spotted a kid so maybe they went listen I don't know once law enforcement got there I don't know their movements I know that at one point I know that Chris was riding around with TBI looking and then um
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But I don't know their exact movements. I know that Chris and Seth together, I think for a couple days, actually rode around searching together before things kind of broke down.
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Well, she, I mean, it says, you know, I think, I don't see her on the camera over there, but I think she left to go over to the school, which is two blocks, whatever, over. But other than that, no. Gotcha. Gotcha.
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She was retained, uh, by staff and she is an amazing investigator and there's absolutely no reason for me to be involved. And, and, um, you know, one, I mean, she went to brought me in, she didn't need my help. And two, I, I did be weird, you know, like, um, you know, like it just wasn't an option.
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Yes. And I mean, and that is something that, again, you're going to have to kind of have some trust in because I don't, they're not going to come out and say it. But the, keep in mind that there's cameras. So the project he's working on is a multi-billion dollar project, right? So there's cameras there. There's cameras at his office.
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campground where you know because he stays in a trailer while he's at work there's cameras there and there's youtubers that are watching this right now that know there's cameras there because they've been caught on those cameras and they know it um you know snooping around and the um the owners of the um campground area that have those cameras have confirmed they turned that over to uh to the fbi i believe it was fbi or tbi and
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Some other things are that, you know, his vehicle, Chris's vehicle is Wi-Fi enabled. It also has OnStar. Those are all things that are – and their phones. So, you know, people that watched the Murdoch trial, which I didn't really follow that case, but I did watch the part of the testimony about the Cellbrite analysis. And it's incredible what –
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they can do with the cellbrite with the cellbrite analysis. And I've been lucky enough where I've taken some courses through cellbrite and it's, it's shocking. And, and you know, so immediately in Seth's too, they've been collecting everybody's electronics and they clone those and they ran cellbrites on them. So they know exactly where the devices were. They know where the vehicles were.
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They see them on surveillance. You know, so if, if, If Chris had said that he was in Memphis at that job site and they found out he wasn't, he'd be arrested by now. Because even if they said he had nothing to do with it, lying to the FBI – and the FBI did question about that. Lying to the FBI itself is a crime. You don't have to be – so – Yeah. So I'm 110 percent confident that he was there.
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And like you said, even his own private investigators, both of them, because they were they weren't hired at the same time. But they both, I think, were on the record as saying that he was at work.
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I do agree with you that that's not a correct statement because I don't I've never worked a case where law enforcement is going to they don't just hand out clear passes, you know, like they just don't do it because it'll come back to bite them in the ass. But.
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But they still have no reason to say, OK, yeah, here is like giving them a pass for some reason. So the only time I've only seen it happen one time in my career, and that was during the Kylie Rodney case. And that was because this minor was just getting absolutely dragged. And but in this case, it was probably just, you know, keep in mind that. they were, everybody's brand new to this, right?
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I wasn't going, you know, I hadn't talked to Chris or anything, but what I was being just as, just as a civilian is I was putting on my Twitter some, um, based off search and rescue, you know, theory and analysis and planning, uh, you know, areas that I thought were search grids that were smart to search for Sebastian, you know, based on some decision point analysis and, and whatnot.
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They don't know that. And to use that word, you know, since mom even used that word for about Chris and Katie said, Hey, TBI said that they were clear. I think it's like TBI was saying, um, they're not persons of interest. Nobody, nobody's persons of interest.
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And I think that became, so yeah, it was, it was not the right word to use if they got used, but, um, so I agree with you, but you know, yeah.
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By the way, I just said... I found out just saying that. So... I'm familiar enough with it that I need to be to see if I felt that it had any bearing in this case. And so I do know about it. I know you think it's relevant, and I'm not telling you that you shouldn't think that way. I don't believe it's relevant. I believe that – that's the way to say this –
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um i i don't i guess i i don't i don't see enough credibility in either story to to use them i guess because listen i understand that there can be some questions about chris's behavior and that i have a lot of questions about nina's too and i think we both know that um There's there's listen, it's an ugly, it's an ugly custody dispute, right?
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She did, I will say, you know, it's gonna sound like I'm defending Chris and but she did weaponize that right off the bat with Seth, you know, which is really strange that these calls got leaked to me. And also these. Some of these reports got leaked to her attorney and were tried to use in that custody battle. So I just think there was some dirty pool going on.
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And, um, through that, I did get some calls from, um, Various people that were close to the investigation, including people in law enforcement, and I talked to them and and then. I concluded the Riley strain case, I did a 293 page report, final report on that and. So, a couple of months ago.
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But I don't think, you know, think about it. I've thought about it a lot, a lot. And I still think about it. I thought about it more after watching your documentary. I just don't think it plays in. I think it's something that looks like maybe there's a there there, but...
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there's not um it can't be ruled out no i'm not ruling it like everything's on the table right now i'm not everything you know um i don't i don't know where this kid is and i don't know what happened and i'm open to anything i'm not closing my mouth i just think it should be done in a fair way in other words and i'm not talking about you i'm talking about what i'm talking about it's like to kind of like what's going on on youtube and it's like let's why are we um we don't have to
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We don't have to convict anybody first. Like, let's find him. Let's put all this effort towards finding him. And then, like, if he tells this authority that, yeah, something bad happened to him, listen, that'll be the next thing, the next part of the investigation. But maybe he got overstimulated. Maybe he left for whatever reason. Listen, we do know, we have learned that –
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he he there's he had left the house because they had no idea about that was something new they didn't think he was he was doing things like that but we found out that you know um that did happen at least a couple times and and so it kind of elaborate on that well yeah yeah i will um so when when i told you about the guy that was taking the um the trash down um we in that in the um
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In the dispatch audio, there's a call that goes out there saying somebody a couple of houses up said that they had found him hiding under a car, under, I think they said the son's car at the time. And again, this is an example of how things like language gets used and it's not exactly right. But so when we were running those tests,
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We we never they didn't know any of the prophets didn't know anything about that. That was new to them. And it was never confirmed. And they couldn't figure out what that was. Well, talk to this neighbor. And he said, yeah, that actually what happened was my son's. Girlfriend came out to go to her car and she was startled by Sebastian.
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He was under her car and he came out and ran off and he went over the so then startled the female and and. The father, the, it'd be her boyfriend's father, walked over and knocked on the door. And, but it was like four something in the afternoon and Katie wasn't home yet. So Sebastian had gone back in the house and closed the door and he didn't answer it. So it just kind of went on.
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It didn't happen again. So it kind of went unreported. And so that was news to us because they didn't know that he was leaving, you know, that he had left the house like that or was exploring whatever he was doing. You know, we don't know exactly what he was doing.
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So, but that then got us thinking, okay, well, so maybe there is a possibility that, you know, I don't, you know, I mean, that there's things we don't know about.
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No, it wasn't anything. I mean, from what, the way they described it, they didn't think it was anything like, he was creeping or anything like that because they didn't call police. It was just kind of like, he was just, he was hiding. You know, I I've heard Seth described that he would hide under the bed. And listen, so I'm certified in autistic search and rescue.
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So, and I know your brother is on the spectrum too. And, and so it's, and nobody, it's a very wide spectrum, right?
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Yeah, but so that's common that, you know, in Sebastian likes the hoodies and stuff because he likes he always likes having things wrapped around him and stuff. So the you'll be in those confined spaces. That's not unusual. But outside of the house was something new to us. Right. And. we had not known that we'd gone all these months and like that had not been shared.
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or it's been more than a couple months now, but one time when I had come out on one of the trips to Nashville, because I was going back and forth, I went out to Hendersonville at like 5.30 in the morning just to see the area. I just wanted to see it, and I realized how different it was from what I had really imagined and how kind of that
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We had heard it on the scanner audio, but then again, it's like, there's a lot of things that you're sharing all these rumors online about this and that. And so that, you know, we were able to confirm that. And then they kind of opened us up to maybe he did go outside. Maybe he went, you know, when I first came on board, I, I asked Katie, I said, what is something that somebody could confirm?
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Offer to Sebastian to lure him out of the house. Like what? What could it be? Because you know, leaving the house after midnight in a very dark neighborhood is just kind of. It seems, I don't know, it's almost scary, right? And I said, what could somebody say to him to lure him out? And she said, or offer him, and she said, friendship.
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He was that desperate to make friends, and he was having a super hard time at school because groups were not accepting of him. And because he went about things a little different way, right? In a unique way. And... but they weren't accepting of him, and he was desperate for friends. And so who knows?
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Like, maybe he was out... You know, that's why we had the question about... I know people are saying that I'm accusing neighbors of killing him because they had flashlights. You know, I wanted to ask questions of these people because there's some kids with... There's a kid with flashlights, and Sebastian had a flashlight, and it's like...
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And all of a sudden, during this interview, this mother's talking about them playing flashlight tag. And I wonder, could Sebastian have overheard at school, because the girlfriend went to the school, they were playing flashlight tag or something, and tried to join in?
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Because I know of an instance, not long before he went missing, at school, where he went and tried to join in on a game of, I don't know, catch or something, and they wouldn't accept him. But he would try. He would actually try to make friends. And so it makes me wonder, like, Was he at that point where he was just like, I'm going to go try and join in?
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And could he have done correctly, challenged and gone the wrong way? Or could he be falling down somewhere? Could have he gone through a backyard? It hasn't been searched yet for some reason because somebody would let him on it. Who knows what it could be, you know?
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I don't think these kids... I mean, there was nothing to first, but I was... When I brought it up, you know, a couple weeks ago, whenever it was, it's gotten turned in, so it wasn't... My question was, because the mother wouldn't talk to me, was... I just wanted to know, like, was there possibly a gang going on, and Sebastian could have overheard it was going on, and been going there to try and join in, and maybe gone the wrong way, or something.
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It would give us an idea, then, of, like... Right.
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You know, that drone search, it really wasn't a possibility, you know, in those conditions because it's just so thick and everything out there. And it kind of changed things. And through that, I got in touch with Chris at one point. And Chris and I talked several times. He was very, you know... Rightfully so. I don't think he knows completely. He didn't know who to trust and whatnot.
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Well, OK, so. Let me talk about the Tennessee situation. So this these instances of these CPS records, CPS records originally was thrown out. There is three reports and now it's gone to five. And it's I'm just saying, too. No, I just want I just want to because I think it's important to get to it. So. All right. CPS, you cannot, as I think you know, nobody can see those records, right?
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Nobody is allowed to see them. They can only be gotten by the attorney of a parent. And they can't disclose what it is. So it's really easy to say this happened because nobody can ever fact check it. Now, I know what you're talking about with the... When he says the same caseworker, you're talking about that, right? The same caseworker came up? Okay.
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Because there's other ways of finding out about somebody. So that caseworker, yes, it was the same caseworker, but that was the first instance, had nothing to do with any punishment or anything. It had to do with they had moved to Tennessee, and there was... Um, well, I mean, Seth's disclosed what happened. I'm not going to get into special personal trauma. I'm just not going to get into it.
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But there was a listen, there are detectives assigned to that. It was reported to the police immediately. There's whole investigation. There's detectives assigned. That was simply they had moved to.
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tennessee and um that person came out because you know of that of what had happened in uh in that instance that then the incident you're talking about so when he said oh it's the same late she wasn't there for two times of um him hitting sebastian with the belt it was the first one was just and i can tell you um there was no follow-up. I get that people are against it.
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Listen, in my school, they hit us with paddles. Corporal punishment is still used in school in Tennessee. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying it's not against the law. As long as there isn't a visible wound on the child after two hours after being hit, it's legal. I'm not saying it should be. I wouldn't hit my kid's butt. But You know, but those I do want to clear one thing up.
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We talked here and there. I met with him on one of my other trips up there. He had me in his house. He said, just come to the house and let's sit down and talk. That's kind of how it started. He didn't hire me there. But We started talking more and then as I came back, and I also have two other open cases in East Tennessee of two females that are Holly Bobo Act missing persons under TBI.
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Okay, but you were talking about – I'm talking about CPS visits because you said that – In each case, he said there was a CPS visit related to the bill. He just admitted to it because he said that's the same CPS. That caseworker was there because they had moved from California there, and that was regarding – Trauma.
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And then there was the one when he was 15 right before he disappeared. uh, that was, I don't know how many times, I don't know how many times I'll just be honest. I don't know. He has, um, especially with the Ballard school didn't wherever you want to, um, call it. I know. And I'm confident. Well, I shouldn't say I know I'm confident, very confident that there are there.
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Well, there's been no CPS cases like charged because the parents would know if they were right. Um, and, um, they haven't, been visited about, um, multiple instances. So has he hit him? I don't, I, um, I don't know. I don't, I don't know. I know. Listen, I'm not trying to play tit for tat, but I, I, I think you probably saw the San Diego, San Diego records too, right? With the neck and everything.
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You know, abuse is a different realm abuses if it leaves a mark for over two after two hours, you know, so there's never been that whether it's right or not. That's not I'm not going to that's not my job. Right.
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I think it's old school. Yeah, I think it's too old school for now. Listen, I would say I was hit with, like, wooden spoons. I was saying. I come from an Italian family. I don't agree in it. I still remember. I still remember how bad it hurt, and I don't... It's not something I do personally, but... You know, so yeah, I'm not giving him a free pass on that. Yeah. All right.
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Well, one, you know, keep in mind that I'm, of course, talking with, you know, I'm not talking with, I mean, I'm... retained by a person, but that's very biased. Now there's other, and I don't have them readily accessible, but there was another instance where, well, he's talked about this a few times.
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So I'm there quite a bit. And through that, it ended up. getting to the point where they decided that, um, you know, wanted to bring me on board.
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He talked about, I believe, and I don't, you know, I don't know if it's in a privated thing now, but he talked about how the middle names, the, the, the Wayne Drake word, like MC wanted to, were they planned to use for the, the,
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the two before that were aborted and so um you know and there was some other listen i think people there's other people that know where these screenshots are and i'm sure that they'll get sent to me um but i'm very confident there's other listen there's other there's other proof right i mean they moved out of state i mean um when she was a minor you know because he was he was worried about the law so um
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you know, they went to Virginia and I think Georgia and, you know, the thing is like, that's, I think it's important to see that there is this, like, this behavior, you know, this, I don't know. Let's say she was 18. I still think that's weird. He's still a bit of a weird age gap. Very clearly said on one of the shows that he said, I told her I was going to marry her when she was 12.
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You know, it's like, ooh, this is creepy.
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I don't know. I mean, I, well, I don't even want to say that, but I don't, I don't know, but he, you know, but he kind of, he, he kept his word, you know, he kept it. And that is, listen, that's where there's no reason. There is no reason for a 22 year old being out in 12 year old. There's just not. And then to continue to hang.
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Oh, well there, yeah. So there is the, well that, now that is, there is a family. Yeah. There, and there's another babysitter too, but I don't want to get into all that.
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And then, you know, and the thing is, I'm not trying to listen. Um, that's not my fight to get in.
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I do think when there's some things being said, I don't think it's right for, you know, Seth has come out and changed his tune for a reason and started saying it was murder and she's responsible and it just seemed like there was an agenda and I just thought it was important for people to realize that he has, like,
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manipulated her and, uh, through the years and, um, uh, see both sides of the story, I guess. Okay.
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It was, it was people that were involved in the, uh, search and rescue. And, and they just had, um, it was, it was, it was somebody that had a question about why, um, Some of my grids were going and it just had to do with more of a search theory based on lost person behavior. So it was not I'll tell you, it was not one of the detectives. It was not the agents involved.
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Um, now there is this. So, like I said, remember I said that the first time I met with him, I was an employee, you know, he had me in the house. There was not. Um, and I'll tell you exactly why they was cagey because, um, yeah,
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There was a narrative pretty quick because of a neighbor, when I say neighbor, somebody in that neighborhood that started leveling some really heavy accusations about seeing Katie with a body slumped over her shoulder and whatnot. And so this narrative that they were responsible swolled up really fast. Chris had gone back to work because he's got to pay the bills. They're not this wealthy people.
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Their people are making them out to be. And it's a $750,000 home.
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Yeah, so he had to go back. You're right. So he had to go back to work, which left Katie there alone. And they didn't have cameras at that time. So he was cagey because... they were getting them installed. And now I can tell you, they have a state of the art system now, right? But there was no cameras in the house when Sebastian went in. There was none inside, there was none outside.
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They didn't own any. And so... And the people that lived there before them didn't either. It's a safe... It's a really safe neighborhood. It's a nice neighborhood. And I know that looks... Seems crazy now. And people say, oh, well, she works for ADT. You know... I think Brink's not ADT. I'm sorry. Whatever it was. Yeah. And we have... We have ADT out here.
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So I was ADT, but so that's why he was like, yeah, because he didn't want people to know that he definitely didn't have cameras because he's worried about her safety. Right. And so now, yes, there's a lot of cameras, but they did. I can say 100% and they did not have cameras. And if they did, I mean, I think we would have heard that from law enforcement, you know, I know.
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Oh, no, I've, I've never heard that before. No. It last time he was, um,
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I think it was. I mean, I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure it was the second. Well, I'll tell you exactly. I'm pretty sure it was the second, but it was the day that it was the last time you saw Sebastian, too, because Seth was there. Right.
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picking up um sebastian so i don't know if the second falls that probably would have been on friday i imagine but um but seth would know too but that's the last time he was in hendersonville okay so he was not in hendersonville last time he made a trip from uh you know from memphis or anywhere to back home so yeah okay got it do we have any uh audience questions
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I can't see the screen.
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It was just somebody involved in the search and rescue efforts, which they're an extension of law enforcement.
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Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I was just saying, to build on that point, you know, any case I go to, I have this group of people that love to go and stir things up. So they're bringing, I'm sure they're bringing up the Kylie Rodney case. I'm sure they're bringing up Riley Strain. I'm sure they're bringing up. I'm focused on this one.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I know that this is gone. It will at least get some information. So now they can go if they want it. They feel like they need the fact check. It at least gives you like at least are on the record. You know what I mean? And I think it's been great, you know, and you've been you guys have been totally fair. And I'm not trying to tell everybody.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
untitled your opinions and i'm not saying that you're wrong i don't know what happened to i don't know where he is i don't know what happened you could very well be right i'm just saying as an investigator i don't can only follow try and collect all the dots and then connect them once i got them all so i don't know you very well could be right i'm not saying i'm just saying there's some evidence that i've seen that there's pieces i think that aren't right but i can't say 100 percent
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I'm in this business to help people, to help the people that need to be found and people that don't have a voice. I'm not here to protect people that take advantage of other people or do horrible things. I'm...
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
you know i've i've decided to dedicate my life to those people that that that that need that help you know and um i would never if i found out chris and katie or set or anybody did if if i found out somebody did something to sebastian i i will go with them so hard and
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
But until then, until I have that proof, there's no reason to put somebody through that anguish because if we're wrong, my God, I don't want to ruin somebody's life.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Yeah, and the reason is, so that was a case too where, so one thing where I really disagree with law enforcement tactics is where they keep everything so quiet, right? And there's a good example for me because everybody thought that it was this super mystery and stuff, but really there was, in that case, I've got hundreds,
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
hundred and forty five hours of surveillance so from the time Riley left that hotel that night with his fraternity brothers and everything I have footage of him covered in every step he takes in all three of the bars I could watch him I can see exactly what happened once he leaves he tries to get back in it doesn't leave I can see him walking down the streets and then
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
ultimately at that spot under the bridge a you know there's a um a dash cam of a patrol car that happened to be driving by when he was stepped over the um the barrier of the ledge and um that ledge looks like a flat ledge uh at dark like if you were gonna pee or something it looks like you could step over the thing and pee but it's really this like kind of about 20 degrees slant and it's like
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Yeah, they were with the official search rescue. No, United Cajun Navy, just to be clear, I have nothing to do with.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
like ice it's just it's dirt and uh i think it's a tragedy well and we can see it happen and it's um so yes um and and but there's it's one of those cases that just baffled me and i put I wrestled with him a long time. I had to meet with several coroners to really get comfortable.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
In fact, because his body, listen, I've seen his autopsy photos and everything, and he was not like, I couldn't understand how he didn't have all these broken bones, you know?
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I mean, I'll tell you this. Um, It could be, I think it could be had now. I think it is subject to public record. What they're doing in Nashville, this isn't for this case, but in Nashville, for dash cam footage, the public requests are taking like 14 months or something because they have to redact them. So I do think that's from the time the investigation closed. It will come out.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Now, let me tell you, so you know how we were talking about in this case, how we're talking about that figure that we see on the surveillance, but it's like really this opaque, it's kind of that like, You can just see, like, pixels moving type of thing. It's like that. It's not a, you know, there's Riley. But there's another shot where you know he's there that is clear.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
And then this going by and you can see the pixels. And so it's not, like, super clear. You have to really kind of, like, and you have to watch it at quarter speed. And so it takes some enhancing. But and then everything is right there, you know. And that's where his debit card was found. And that's where the phone stopped.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Yeah, and I don't want to, you know, like I don't want to build too much on that point because there's not –
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
No. 200 yards. No. And this was a little frustrating because some TikTokers found it, right? And we found out that they did actually pick it up and move it. And then they wouldn't have placed it back. And but...
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
where they found it was right over it was under the bridge and it was about six feet from the water line and so when riley leaves and this is video that i have and i um i know it's public and so it's something that if you wanted a clip of i'd be happy to send a clip but when he he's getting thrown out of the bar when he's he's being asked to leave yes uh
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
much to it besides there was people like reaching out i think to various experts i mean there's other large search and rescue um operators around the country that have commented on this case on twitter and stuff like that and i think they interact with those when it gets when it gets to be you know there's a lot a lot of teams involved in this i mean and um when it gets to be that big of an effort and there's just nothing like literally
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Um, they, uh, he takes a credit card, he takes the credit card, debit card. He puts it, he doesn't put it in his wallet. He like sticks it on the kind of pocket. So I can see why that that falls up because that was really confusing to me too, is like how that would have come out. But then I see on the surveillance, what he does.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
And, um, it was just a, you know, that case just tore me apart because his fame, a God just, I, in every case I work on the family that ends in that, I mean, the family's just so torn and, but he's just a good kid and, and, uh,
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
You know, he just – but one thing I do want to say just because we talked about it, the other big misconception on that, and I feel horrible about it, is the fraternity brothers got a really bad rap on that because they were out and they had no idea that he had been thrown out. And then when they found out, they tried to catch up with him, but they couldn't.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
But 1 o'clock in the morning, they're all drunk, but by 1 o'clock in the morning, they're out there forming a search party looking for him in the rain. So they didn't blow him off like was told. They really did. They were looking for him. They were smart to use Snapchat for that too.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
yeah um and but in the snapchat kind of threw us off as well because the snapchat showed him on the upper the way that that road kind of split it showed him actually more like he was up on the top level but uh but then luckily he also had like 360 so you know was there any relevant footage from the government buildings that were on the other side of the bridge
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
So they had four cameras on that and it was relevant that we knew until because we didn't know right away about the didn't find the dash cam footage right away. So it was relevant that it was gone over and over that he didn't come out that that the other side. And so it would have been seen. There was that. I know the one that went on YouTube, which was the card reader camera from the party rush.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
But there was also two mounted cameras above that. the parking garage entrance or the it's actually like the jail entrance and he we never see him so he just had to assume and then we fought forever to get the marathon footage across right across the um river because that literally points right at it and uh we ended up going through this process and i finally got it and then they sent me the
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
footage from the wrong pointing camera, which was really disappointing. So, um, it could have been a lot easier, but I'm very confident that, um, it was, you know, it was an accident. I don't know why he, you know, I will tell you this. There are some things that are really, um,
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
still i don't understand about that case like on the and people haven't seen all this footage but when he leave when he finally does leave the bar like he tries to get back in one time after he's left but when he does finally leave he's going uphill on uh whatever street it is and he's i have the footage from the next intersection and he is in a full run and looking over looking over his shoulder like somebody's after him and they're not you know and um
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
No. So it was right before that, but it's a continuation of that. So he's looking over his shoulder, and then the footage that you're talking about is when he takes a right off of that, cuts across the parking lot, and then wipes out. I don't know. He did seem to think... There was a couple... The reason he got thrown out of the bar was because he went up to two different bouncers and
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
told me he was going to kick their ass. And, um, they were nice about it.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Listen, he drank too much, right? But the thing – the only reason that I bring that part up is because it is on camera and it has been – had by news agencies, including, I think Nick Ferris got it too, where, you know, he, you can see him getting a little combative. And then his friend, the one, the whole group has like a booth upstairs at that bar and they're all dancing and so loud.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
nothing to show for it you know it's it's you start reaching out to other other teams because all of our You know, those models that we make, we build them on lost person behavior models. Those are all made from these algorithms through that.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Nobody has an idea what's going on. His friend is like telling Riley, he's talking to the bouncer. He's like, just go sit down, Riley, go sit down, go sit down. But Riley's like, keeps questioning it. And then there's just like, you got to leave. But they were super nice about it. And there's no hands up put on anybody or anything. And Riley was fine about it.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
he left and then, you know, it was just over drinking and I think there was, he had a really high, what people didn't pick up on the toxicology was that he had a super high THC. Well, ethanol, but also THC. People were saying Delta, but see, it was a different Delta. So there's Delta 9 that is under 3% THC, which is legal in Tennessee, but this was a test for the other Delta 9 that's above that.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
He had brought these 100-milligram gummies with him, and he had a couple of those, and I think those really hit him hard.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
They were legal, but from i guess i think in missouri it's legal or not the so not the sub three percent there's a so on the t on the toxicology test they put the cutoff value at three percent because that way it won't pick up anything with less than three percent uh concentration and he he's came back at like 140 something i mean it was super super high so isopropyl alcohol Oh, yeah.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
So that's a natural byproduct of decomposition.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
No, I was actually in line with, um, and keep in the family did get a private autopsy done as well. Um, and so, you know, they, they haven't questioned, uh, any of that. And, and the toxicology did all line up. He, I think it was, if I remember, it was like point, uh, what was it? What point on the, I don't want to get it wrong on the alcohol with something.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
weed yeah and listen that's something we were looking at too if somebody had something but literally um it's crazy these these clubs these bars in nashville on broadway the ones that they went to they went to gark brooks they went to um kid brock's bar and then they went to troy or luke 32 all of the bars i avoid in nashville yeah i mean these are like
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
It's a program that went through the Department of Justice, just like NCMEC is a division of them, that are based on all the old search and rescue, all the old missions going back as far as you can go, put into these database, all these variables. And now we have the ability to go in and key in you know, Hey, we have a 15 year old with autism.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
you know massive places and they have it's unbelievable i didn't i had no idea how much surveillance coverage they i mean you you are on camera every place you are in those things so we could see and they so it was actually texas or tennessee alcohol bureau commission that went and did a warrant for everybody's foot for the whole night so he we can see we can see um
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
his drink the entire time and and what he would actually what he had done is he brought some of his own drinks in they a couple of their college kids right they don't have the money to spend so um
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
that rude yeah so it's tragic because his family got his family just loves that kid and yeah i feel so bad for them and um yeah and same here you know and that's the thing like i hope people realize is that i know that for whatever reason it's become this and i'm not talking about you i'm talking about i'm just talking to everybody is like you know try to realize too that um sebastian is loved by all his family and they miss him and they want him back
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
whatever state that is so bad. And so let's find him before, you know, like, let's put this energy towards finding him. And then if somebody needs to be prosecuted, then let's go full force with that. But right now, these people are hurting. They really are. I know people think that Tristan Kitties, they're quiet and they don't.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
They're not comfortable doing this media and stuff or hiding something. I've spent a lot of time with these people. They're broken people. They really are. Same goes for Seth. I know Seth is also... I don't know. Maybe we can have some sort of reset and just get this back to... We've got to find Sebastian.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
We're coming on a year, and this is a now 16-year-old kid that is out there somewhere, hopefully alive. Hopefully somebody's got him. And law enforcement can... That's law enforcement's side, right? But we can help in the search for him if we do it responsibly. And if that's the case, then find him and just put an end to this nightmare that this family's going through.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I do think there's got to be. In fact, I kind of made a call for...
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
in case you know there's people that had access to ground furniture right or that like i brought up earlier those dump trucks dumping all that dirt it worries me those houses are going up so fast yeah i'd like to see and i don't listen i don't know anything about ground furniture radar i don't know how to operate them i don't know how to read the um the returns so but if there's anybody out there that has access to that that may be willing to help god it would help you know clear that area be great yes there are i know it seems like hey there was
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
He's in this environment and this temperature, um, you know, um, this is this mental mindset, you know, it'll give us these unbelievably accurate, um, uh, models, you know, and, and, uh, and, and it'll show that it'll give us 25, 50 and 75%, um, probability lines, you know, uh, probability of detection and what those are. And in his case, I think it was, uh,
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Absolutely. And like you said, last time I was out there, we found these like I guess they're some sort of vertical shafts that will open up to a cave. But they're not that big enough that he could fall down. But I mean, I was right up on it before. I mean, it'd be really easy to fall into that. And in the dark, you would never see it, you know, because it's got overgrowth on it.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
So there are these things out there. Now, if he doesn't have shoes. Again, that's the whole thing I come back to is the shoes. It's so confusing. But there are these areas that something like that could happen, you know, and I just think, although it seems crazy, I think we had to go over them over again, you know, and methodically. And I do think that...
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Like they haven't told me anything, but I do see signs of Sumner County possibly has been doing some more searches because I see more some flagging, new flagging tape that's in the area and stuff like that. You know, like when we're searching, we'll mark areas with orange tape and stuff. So I think that there are some DL searches going on. I hope there are.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
But the ground penetrating radar, I think, is super important because these houses are going up and we might not have a shot at it.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I mean, I'd appreciate it. I think everybody would appreciate it. Thank you very much.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
No, I just appreciate the effort.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
And the one that will get to the truth is to find Sebastian. Yeah, I agree with you there. I'm not here to convince anybody to think a different way. All I'm saying is let's just also put the effort towards finding him, and then those answers will lead to that. Agreed. He'll lead us to those answers. Sebastian will tell the story.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
So... Originally, I thought my career path was going to be aviation, and it oddly started through that. I started, I got my commercial pilot's license, and I was building time. One of the jobs I got as an apprentice was with the state of Texas, and Um, their aircraft fleet and 1 of them being 1 department being the attorney general's office and.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
75% probability detection within 3.6 miles and gives you how long the, you know, like what the most likely scenario to find them in is. And, and I, and that's something I tweeted the whole tactical report on that too. It wasn't like anything secretive or anything.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
But that's OK. And I really appreciate you guys being professional. And I think we had a good conversation. And hopefully some people have, you know.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
The only social media I have is Twitter or X, and it's SF, as in Steve Fisher, underscore investigates.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
Let me be clear on that. So although I have a very good working relationship with TVI in my other cases, and in this case, I... I'm not trying... So when I came into this case, I wish I knew the exact date. It's only been, what, three months? Four months? This case was... Law enforcement wanted nothing to do with anybody in this case. You know what I mean? It was burned to the ground. They...
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
We're like, we don't want any part of what's going on online. So they're shut down. And I don't try to communicate with them. I don't... So, no, am I working side by side with law enforcement in this case? No, and I'm not trying to either. I don't reach out to them. They don't reach out to me. They 100% know I'm there.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
We gave them a formal indication, and they responded back, and they said, he's welcome on the case, and that was it. But we have not tried to – I'm not trying to work –
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
like i do in some cases you know and that goes case by case it just depends you know the flow of the case but in this case there's no reason for me to uh because it's too divided if if they if they worked with me they know that sets people would just turn it into a whole that hole into a whole pr stunt you know and say well you're not working with us and so in to avoid that and not give them any drama
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
I don't need – we're just doing my own investigation. So I don't want to give the impression that I'm saying I'm working with law enforcement on this. I'm not.
The Lore Lads
Finding Sebastian Rogers w/Steve Fischer | Podcast Episode 156
versus you know he's paying you or somebody is paying you like when when did that switch happen um let me just pull up the retainer agreement so i can tell you exactly yeah i guess i guess the question would be when when were you officially hired yeah i'm trying to find so i can give you the exact answer i'm trying to find the retainer agreement um it's i don't know it'll take me one second here oh sparse
The Lore Lads
What's Happening With These Missing Women? | Podcast Episode 165
Oh, wow, that's brutal.
The Lore Lads
What's Happening With These Missing Women? | Podcast Episode 165
I haven't been sleeping well either. I wonder what that is.
The Lore Lads
What's Happening With These Missing Women? | Podcast Episode 165
Do we want to cover that at some point?
The Lore Lads
What's Happening With These Missing Women? | Podcast Episode 165
How many monarchs have existed? That's not relevant. Are you sure?
The Lore Lads
What's Happening With These Missing Women? | Podcast Episode 165
Yeah, don't you have a thing for that soon?
The Lore Lads
What's Happening With These Missing Women? | Podcast Episode 165
That's a lot. There's a lot right there.
The Lore Lads
What's Happening With These Missing Women? | Podcast Episode 165
Yes. Most likely. Yeah.
The Lore Lads
What's Happening With These Missing Women? | Podcast Episode 165
But we're not far away.
The Matt Walsh Show
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The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1506 - Why Derek Chauvin Deserves a New Trial (And Will Win It)
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The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1506 - Why Derek Chauvin Deserves a New Trial (And Will Win It)
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The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1506 - Why Derek Chauvin Deserves a New Trial (And Will Win It)
a question of the powers that be, please really explain to me why you have made the time zones go two hours, two hours every few thousand miles, get down to Yeshua, then it's a 16 hour. time zone difference. What's that all about? Why?
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Mr. Wyckoff to travel once again to Russia. And as you mentioned in your remarks, he's traveled to Russia on a number of occasions. He's met with President Putin. What type of progress is being made as it relates to all of those visits that he's made to Russia?
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The MeidasTouch Podcast
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The MeidasTouch Podcast
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The MeidasTouch Podcast
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Is he really hiding behind the desk? Under the desk? Wow.
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I'm old enough to remember when he won in November by 30 points. We have a candidate that I don't think is winning. That's an issue.
The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers
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The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers
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The NPR Politics Podcast
How DOGE Cuts Are Impacting Federal Workers
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The Ramsey Show
Your Feelings Don’t Build Wealth — Discipline Does
Hi. Thank you for taking my call. Sure. What's up? I have a question about risk. Okay. So I am 64. I'm retired. I'm an everyday millionaire. I have a piece of commercial real estate that was – part of a business that I sold that I still own. It's a triple net leaf, and I've got five years left on the leaf. And I'm just wondering when I should sell it.
The Ramsey Show
Your Feelings Don’t Build Wealth — Discipline Does
The kind of a wrinkle in the ointment is that I have – it's in a rural area, and it's owned by a big corporation. They're having some trouble – attracting people to move out to rural areas to work. So when the lease is up in five years, I'm not sure what's going to happen. And so, you know, I feel like I have a great deal at the moment. Things are going very well.
The Ramsey Show
Your Feelings Don’t Build Wealth — Discipline Does
I don't really want to own it if it's empty in five years. And I just don't, I don't know, help me out trying to frame this and understand the smart way to make this decision.
The Ramsey Show
Your Feelings Don’t Build Wealth — Discipline Does
No, that's exactly right. And I have, honestly, I get calls all the time from some various groups who, I mean, it's got five years in the lease. They are very happy to buy these properties. Yeah, yeah.
The Ramsey Show
Your Feelings Don’t Build Wealth — Discipline Does
It was appraised a few years ago. It was $600,000. Okay.
The Ramsey Show
Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
I mean, they should have about $80,000, so... I would hope they could live on that for Social Security and, you know, odds and ends of jobs and my dad.
The Ramsey Show
Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
I'm okay with not taking any rent, but...
The Ramsey Show
Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the phone call today. Sure. What's up? So I found out in the last week or so that my parents' house is in the process of getting foreclosed on. And my question is, should I buy the mortgage out and find out some rental agreement for them to continue living there. I just think it would be easier twofold.
The Ramsey Show
Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
One, it's a decent investment opportunity, and second off, I think it's an easier process as they're aging to stay in the house they've been in for 30 years almost and not worry about moving and trying to find a place and everything else. They're comfortable where they're at.
The Ramsey Show
Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
So that's another story I'm trying to unravel. I will say my dad has been plagued with identity fraud for the last three or four years. I mean, it's like he'll get a debit card in the mail and then within three or four days, he's got charges from California and Colorado and Mexico and everything else. So Something, something's weird going on.
The Ramsey Show
Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
I know, you know, my sister had a boyfriend living in the house with them and then they, you know, allegedly he had hacked the system and put a virus in it. I don't know. I'm working with, um, some specialty companies trying to figure out if that's what's happening or. I don't know.
The Ramsey Show
Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
They haven't made the best financial choices in their lives, and they're both turning 65 this year, so they can start collecting some security, which isn't much money, but it's something. Wow. George, I was already nervous.
The Ramsey Show
Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
Right. So I can say I've been very blessed. Um, you know, we, my husband and I don't have any debt other than a small auto loan that I just had to buy and wasn't part of our investment portfolio. Um, so we would be able to pay cash for the remaining balance of the house, which is about $120,000. The house is worth about three 50 to three 80. It's in a decent neighborhood where I grew up.
The Ramsey Show
Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
Oh, no. We don't have any debt except for an auto loan. We have no mortgage. We have another investment property that's paid off. Our annual income is about $350,000 a year.
The Ramsey Show
Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
Hopefully. What could you buy it for? I'm not sure what stage they're at. My dad just sent me the payoff letter, and like I said, it's about $113,000 left on the house, and then late fees and taxes and all this other stuff, they rolled into the payoffs of $120,000.
The Ramsey Show
Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
No, actually, both of them are very on board with doing this. They don't have money.
The Ramsey Show
Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
It's a lot, but there is... My grandma passed away years ago, and they got some money from her. And the issue is they maybe could pay off the house with that, but then they have nothing to live on. So I'm like, well, if I pay the house off, you have enough money to pay your electric bill, your insurance, and everything else along with the... For how long?
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Become a Victim of Your Circumstances
uh steven is up next in little rock arkansas steven how can george and i help hey can y'all hear me loud and clear sir okay um so i'm trying to get out of debt and i lost my like the best paying job i ever had i was making 100k oh and then what happened and what were you doing i was driving a truck and due to unforeseen circumstances i lost my job okay
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Become a Victim of Your Circumstances
And so my new career, it's still driving a truck, but it's about, I got a huge pay cut.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Become a Victim of Your Circumstances
I can't really go over the road. I hate saying that, but my anxiety is really bad. Okay.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Become a Victim of Your Circumstances
Do you need to find a new career field? Yeah. No, this is the only thing I've ever been good at.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Become a Victim of Your Circumstances
Oh, then I must have done my math right. I'm making $18.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Become a Victim of Your Circumstances
Me and my wife together have around $24,500. In debt? Yes. Break it down for us. Okay, the... Credit cards around $1,500. The two personal loans of one's $2,500, the other one's $1,500. And there's a car that's, I think, around $1,500 and a building that's around $1,500. And the rest is the student loan of my wife's.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Become a Victim of Your Circumstances
She is an occupational therapist or something like that. Is she working 40 hours a week? She's an activities director. Got you. She's an activities director at a nursing home.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Become a Victim of Your Circumstances
We're both looking for jobs. One thing I do on the side that I'm really passionate about is on Sundays after church, I go and preach to elderly at nursing homes because they're lonely and need people to talk to. That's another reason I don't want to really go over the road to. What's that pay you? It don't. That's voluntary.
The Ramsey Show
Quit Trying to Outearn Your Stupidity!
The only thing is our daughter loves beans too much now, so we can't help it out.
The Ramsey Show
Quit Trying to Outearn Your Stupidity!
Yeah. So, so basically we started out Ramsey-ish about five years ago. We started paying off our consumer debt, but then we kept a credit card and we still, we weren't budgeting at the time. But that all changed about three years ago when I quit my job. So I was in a really toxic work environment. I had a really rough boss and it was really impacting my health.
The Ramsey Show
Quit Trying to Outearn Your Stupidity!
So I was trying to look for other jobs, but it just wasn't happening quick enough. And I had a panic attack and I said, you know what, we have an emergency fund, That's it.
The Ramsey Show
Quit Trying to Outearn Your Stupidity!
But a few weeks later, I got another job. And it was about a $30,000 pay cut. So at that point, we knew we needed to get dialed in. We needed to start budgeting. I cut up the credit card. And we were just intentional throughout that time. And then we got pregnant with our Cecilia, which we'll meet shortly. And she was in the NICU for a few weeks. I came early. Yeah, she was five weeks early. Sweet.
The Ramsey Show
Quit Trying to Outearn Your Stupidity!
Thanks to God and our family and friends and the fact that we had financial stability, we were able to get through it. And then ever since then, on our parental leaves, we actually both got better jobs and better paying jobs. And that's why you see that big jump. And I actually ended up going back to the company that I originally left because that manager was gone. It's great.
The Ramsey Show
Quit Trying to Outearn Your Stupidity!
Yes. Yes. And that's always hard, too, because you're like, this is amazing. You want everyone to do it, but... Yeah, they have to figure it out themselves. So hopefully this will help.
The Ramsey Show
Quit Trying to Outearn Your Stupidity!
Feels good. Feels really good. Weightless. Yeah. I mean, it's nice to have options and just, you know, be able to take control of your life. Right. And do what you need to do, what you want to do. So, yeah. And I mean, we have only had a couple of months and we had a big tax bill due. Yeah. So we haven't felt it 100 percent yet, but it's coming. It's coming. For sure. For sure. Wow.
The Ramsey Show
Quit Trying to Outearn Your Stupidity!
that's really impacted our marriage too for sure no more money fights we're both on the same page um and also i think just because it's a no right now doesn't mean it's a never i think that's been really and even with job stuff with life i think that really carries through yeah yes which is a long-term mindset which is so hard for people because they don't want the present pain right yeah exactly looking forward okay so how old cecilia now she's almost two is she okay oh did you bring her with you
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
It was $180,000 to $250,000. Cool. What do you all do for a living? She's a teacher, and I work for her local fire department.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
We were house poor, had too much of a mortgage, and all the cool toys that the Americans get. Like firefighters might get them. Well, yeah. Like the cool truck and the RV and the dirt bikes and everything.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
And so... You know, we got sick and tired of being broke and started thinking about our twins at the time. We're getting ready to finish high school. And so we're thinking more and more about college or trade school, whatever the next steps might be. We wanted to set them up for success. And so we decided to make some big changes and just get after it. When did y'all run into Ramsey stuff?
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
It was right about the time we started, really. About five years ago.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
Yeah, about five, six years ago. I had the book, Financial Peace, sitting on a shelf for many years, but never opened it. And then we got really nervous about the idea of paying for college or trade school, got out the book and started realizing that we needed to make some changes in order to be able to help fund them once they graduated high school.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
So we started, started, uh, I worked all the overtime I could. She was tutoring on the side and I started, uh, selling everything I could get my hands on. And that kind of became, it's took a life of its own on. And, um, I've kind of put a book together on selling things on Facebook marketplace. Now I ended up with a little bit of an alter ego and, um,
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
and so now I've got a book finishing up in the phases of editing and design to hopefully publish soon. Good for you. All right.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
Yeah, well, you know, when we dove into what I'll deem the Ramsey lifestyle, you know, we just decided that we didn't want to live as a slave to anybody. I know, that's right. And so we just...
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
really buckled down and decided it doesn't matter what anybody's saying we're we're ready to be weird and uh yeah own everything that we've got we we got rid of any and all car loans and people thought that was crazy because that's normal right and uh that really was huge yeah and it all started the spark that lit the flame was the oh crap moment on college Yeah, exactly.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
But what's so cool about that, though, is that once our kids graduated high school, they both actually chose trade school. Our son's a diesel mechanic in Idaho, and our daughter is in cosmetology. But there's tons of scholarships out there for trade school. Like, for example, Micro funded probably the biggest piece of pie for our son. Oh, wow. To go to... With MicroWorks.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
with micro works yeah and mike's a good friend that's a wonderful wonderful program they've got yeah amazing program yes yeah so both the kids uh we just started discovering that there's a lot of scholarships out there for trade school and so um it's helped them be able to continue with some of the extra money that they didn't have to spend on tuition to be able to get started in their adult life yeah it's exciting wow very cool what are you going to do to celebrate
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
Well, we came to Nashville, so we're going to do some more traveling and then just try to give back.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
So we've been completely debt-free for about six months now, and I'm turning into the spender.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
What'd you get? What'd you get? Yeah.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
Just more trips. A lot more trips. Trips. Okay. What do you drive? Well, I drive a 2020 Lexus. That's not bad. But he drives.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
She's like you were saying about Sharon. She drives the gray car.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
I've got a 1990. She almost couldn't answer the question. Yeah. She was struggling. I've got a 1996 F-250. Now, how many times has that been read on? It's in the process still, but it's been a slow go.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
The stress level is way too low living like this to go back to what it was. Do anything you want to do.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
And even our marriage, it just feels like we've grown closer together and having to communicate the budget each month and consistently talking about upcoming expenses and how we're going to afford it and what should we do. So that's really been a relationship builder for us.
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
What was your range of income during that time? We started at $331,000 and finished this year at $391,000. Wow. What did you do for a living? I'm in sales.
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
Well, it actually started for us 15 years ago. We were buried in debt. I had a good friend of mine who reached out to us and sent us a copy of the Total Money Makeover. Katie read it right away. She became Davish. And I was so hopeless at the time. I put the book in the closet, didn't touch it for two years. Two years later, I started to read the book.
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
and it was the first time that i actually had hope that we could get out of debt and get on track so we started budgeting and put a plan together and thanks be to god he is so generous and so faithful that as we started managing money the way that he wanted it seemed like he just blessed us with more money to manage
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
So fast forward to last year, our oldest is 17, and we started talking about, could we have the house paid off before she went off to college? And so we just started talking about that.
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
It's been wonderful. It's really taught us to communicate with each other. We discuss all of our purchases. We have monthly date nights.
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
Well, we actually have some family here today, and we have friends that we've actually brought along on the journey and introduced to financial peace. And Katie and I get pretty competitive, and they started paying their homes off. And so we thought we needed to get on board too.
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
I would tell them that once the debt is gone, you just don't realize the weight that is lifted off your shoulders. It's just a great feeling. And you don't realize it until it happens.
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
Adeline is 17. Eleanor, 9. Sophia is 14. And Vivian, 15.
The Ramsey Show
Stop Letting Excuses Steal Your Wealth
Yeah, hi. I appreciate you taking my call. So my wife and I are discussing whether we should be paying off the house. It's pretty much our last debt that we have. And current mortgage, I owe about $175,000 and the rate is at 2.79%. We have $420,000 roughly in a 401k and about another $400,000 in money market CDs.
The Ramsey Show
Stop Letting Excuses Steal Your Wealth
And so, um, I would like to keep it in the 401k, I'm sorry, in the, in the money market and the CDs, uh, and get about four and a half percent off of that and just apply the overage towards them towards the mortgage payment. Uh, and my wife is looking to, uh, to take it out of there and just, just pay it off, be done with it. Let's not worry about the house.
The Ramsey Show
Stop Letting Excuses Steal Your Wealth
Um, so try to figure out, you know, financially what the best direction is to go.
The Ramsey Show
Stop Letting Excuses Steal Your Wealth
Yeah. Yeah. So keep the one 75, you know, the full 400 in there. Cause I'll be earning at a little bit higher rate than the 2.79. It's costing us for the mortgage.
The Ramsey Show
Stop Letting Excuses Steal Your Wealth
Yeah, I guess I didn't really do the math close enough to be able to throw a number on the spot.
The Ramsey Show
Stop Letting Excuses Steal Your Wealth
So $400,000, four and a half, so would that be $12,000? Am I doing that right?
The Ramsey Show
Stop Letting Excuses Steal Your Wealth
About $1,700, but that's with insurance and taxes. I think principal and interest is maybe $900, I want to say, of that.
The Ramsey Show
Stop Letting Excuses Steal Your Wealth
Absolutely. And that's part of, uh, so you had, you had asked her or said like, why is there so much in the money market? So we had, uh, a pretty good chunk of money that we came into about two and a half years ago, I want to say it was at this point and put it in the market. And then the market continued to decline.
The Ramsey Show
Stop Letting Excuses Steal Your Wealth
I did probably the worst thing ever, which is, you know, put it in and take it back out. And so we had some, we had some other like personal things going on in our life that said, okay, we need to We need to minimize the risk of any further loss on this. So we pulled it out and threw it in like a CD ladder for about the last year and a half is what I pulled it out.
The Ramsey Show
Stop Letting Excuses Steal Your Wealth
So basically I put it in right when it started going down and then, and then I took it out right as it started coming back up. So worst possible timing.
Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!
HTDE: The Friendliest Sound in the World, with Olympic medalist Molly Seidel
Hi, this is Steve.
Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!
HTDE: The Friendliest Sound in the World, with Olympic medalist Molly Seidel
Well, that's great.
Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!
HTDE: The Friendliest Sound in the World, with Olympic medalist Molly Seidel
Yes. Yeah, I've been called out a few times, mainly by my family. And they say, hey, I thought you weren't going to say that anymore. Oops.
Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!
HTDE: The Friendliest Sound in the World, with Olympic medalist Molly Seidel
Yeah, that's true. And you notice it so much more when other people do it now, too. I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and we have missionaries in our area. We had a couple of young men, 20-year-olds, that were missionaries in our area, and they said it so much, and it was so obvious to me that I actually pulled them aside and said,
Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!
HTDE: The Friendliest Sound in the World, with Olympic medalist Molly Seidel
gave them a little talk on, you know, why I don't use that, and maybe they ought to think about using a different term also. And it actually went over really well.
Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!
HTDE: The Friendliest Sound in the World, with Olympic medalist Molly Seidel
Oh, there you go. Or my wife teaches pottery, so she uses high potters. That's her approach.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Hala Taha: AI-Powered Sales, How to Automate, Optimize, and Close More Deals | Sales
Absolutely. And this is a concept that I really resonated with because In football, this is what we were trained to do. Read the situation. Read and react. Read and react. There's lots of clues. And you're looking for the clues. You just have to know what you're looking for. No one knew that there was a favorite and a fool. The moment you start looking for the clues, they're all over the place.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Hala Taha: AI-Powered Sales, How to Automate, Optimize, and Close More Deals | Sales
It's not a sin to lose business. It's a sin to take a long time losing business. And the real reason why real estate agents work seven days a week is because they don't work five. If they actually work five days a week, actually work, rather than spending time chasing after business they're not going to get, they wouldn't have to work seven days a week. They wouldn't have to be on call 24-7.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
We came back the following year. We took 17 older adults, ages 29 to 68. They were intermediate at best, park skiers or skiers and snowboarders. And we trained them up in four days on the mountain and they got good. But then, because as you pointed out, action sports, not for everyone. So the key thing here is mindset. What am I talking about? Let me tell you what we did.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And let me tell you what it was. We then stripped out the action sports. We used weight vest hiking instead. And we put 300 adults, all ages, ages like 30 to 40.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
1985, I think, through the same kind of training to see if we could explode their mindset towards aging and get them on what I call the NAR style quest, which is a challenging social and creative activity that demands dynamic, deliberate play and takes place in not a lot of environments. I don't care what it is. I wanted them to just start on a quest that would lead to something that way.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
What I really wanted to do was explode the mindset of, oh, I'm too old for this shit. I'm going to get hurt. I got things I want to hold on to. It sets up. It's really weird. Our biology is designed when we're young. Kids, teenagers, young adults, the seeking system sort of drives our behavior. This is exploratory behavior, right? Like, I'm going to go out. I'm going to check out something new.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
I'm going to figure out who I am and what I do and how I want to live and how do I want to make a living, all that stuff. This is about dopamine and norepinephrine. Those are very potent, feel-good neurochemicals. They're very addictive. Very, very, very addictive, right? Cocaine's the most widely addictive drug on earth.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
All that happens is it causes the brain to release some dopamine and it blocks its reuptake, right? So dopamine is really addictive. When we get stuff that we want to hold on to, oh, I got the right job. I've got the right partner. I've got kids. I've got dogs. I've got a great apartment. I like my bike, whatever it is. We no longer want to be seeking.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
We want the stuff that is about conserving what we have, protecting what we have, bonding. So we get endorphins and anandamide and oxytocin. These are like the pro-social neurochemicals that underpin strong family structures and things like that, strong company structures, and they're great. But we're trading our addictions. And what happens is it makes us very, very conservative.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
It shuts down the seeking system. We get the voice in our head that says, hey, don't do that. You're going to lose what you have. The truth of the matter is like old people are literally addicted to the wrong drugs in their bodies. You need all of these systems working together for peak performance aging. And there's a penalty for having a mindset of old. And this is the point.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
There's a big health and longevity penalty. In fact, when you flip it, when you have a positive mindset towards aging, second half of my life is filled with thrilling and exciting possibilities. My best days are ahead of me. It translates, and this is one of the most well-established facts in peak performance aging. It will translate into additional seven and a half years of health and longevity.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
That's huge. That's like quitting smoking huge. In fact, if you're morbidly obese and have a shitty mindset towards aging, change your mindset first. It actually have a bigger effect on your life and your health and your longevity than losing weight. So it's really, really important. It's where peak performance aging starts. And one of the reasons that peak performance aging starts young is
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
If you never develop this mindset, this isn't going to be a problem. Like you're not going to have to overcome it. One of the reasons the NAR style adventure is so useful for older adults is like for me, it didn't matter what I wanted to believe about aging. Once I got out on the mountain, I was learning how to do 360s and nose butter 360s and 180s and all the other stuff I learned.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Like it just blew up all my limiting beliefs about what was possible in the future because I have just onboarded the most difficult physical thing I've ever done in my life. And I did it at 53. And I've done a lot of difficult physical things along the way. This was definitely the hardest and I did it.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And I'm still park skiing at 55 now because I wrote books a couple of years old in terms of when I wrote it.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So, you know, books have a lot of origin stories. There's like 11 different things that come together. I've been working, researching, looking at the field of peak performance for a while in a totally unrelated project, right? I was going to write a mystery novel and I wanted a cat burglar as a character who was going to steal musical instruments.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Who made the rarest musical instruments in history? Oh, it's Stradivarius. And then I found, figured out what you mentioned, which is he made two of the rarest and most expensive musical instruments in his 90s. And I went, well, wait a minute.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So another reason peak performance aging sort of starts young. First, we start with the good news. One of the reasons old dogs can learn new tricks that we haven't talked about yet is as we enter our 50s, it's really in our late 40s, there are a bunch of really profound changes in how the brain processes information. One, certain genes only turn on with experience.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Everything I've been told about physical abilities is like the older myth about aging, which most of us believe, and I believed at the time of this, is what you could call the long, slow rot theory. It's the idea that all of our mental skills and our physical skills, they decline over time. There's nothing we can do to stop the slide.
Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
and only flip these switches later in life. Two, in our 50s, the two hemispheres of the brain, which essentially function in opposition to each other along the way, they start working together like never before. And finally, the brain starts to recruit underutilized resources in our 50s. So as a result, we gain access to whole new levels of intelligence, creativity, empathy, and wisdom.
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And it's, I go on and on and on about those benefits. There's a lot that comes with that, but these are not guaranteed. So psychologists talk about moderators, the technical term, it's an if-then condition. You get this only if you do this, right?
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And if you want the access to these cognitive superpowers in our 50s, and we'll come back to it, but from a profit perspective, we really want to talk about those superpowers in a second. Let me finish this point. There are a number of gateways of adult development that you have to pass through. So by the age 30s,
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if you really just want to enjoy and kick ass beyond 30, you have to have solved the crisis of identity, which sort of shows up around age 12. And Erickson thought he used to disappear at 18. It doesn't, but it does. If you haven't solved it by 30, you have a problem. The reason is by 40, you need match fit. Match fit is an economics term. It means
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There's a tight link between who I am and what I do in the world, right? If you just, if you don't know who you are, you can't get match fit because there's no, if you don't know your strengths, your values, all that stuff. So that has to be by 30, by 40, we need to be, we have match fit. And then by 50, We need forgiveness. We've got to forgive ourselves for past embarrassments and past shames.
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And we've got to forgive those who have done us harm. And as you pointed out, I spent most of my childhood losing fights to jocks. I was a punk rocker. The jocks didn't like us. I didn't like them. And this was back in the 70s and 80s. And you've got to understand, cars of football players would pull up on the side of the road, and they'd see a guy with a mohawk, and they'd jump out to beat you up.
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And it was like five against one always. And it was not a great situation. So I had a lot of anger. And I knew peak performance aging, you got to put that shit down. You cannot thrive in your 50s. You don't get these superpowers, which is why old dogs can learn new tricks better than young dogs. It's why one of the reasons I learned park skiing so fast is I have more intelligence.
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I've got more creativity. I've got the stuff I need. And they've got even more wisdom, which means I can keep myself safer than when I was making better decisions along the way. That stuff is great, but I don't get it if I can't forgive those who have done me wrong. So the standard best way to do that, and there's tons of research, is loving kindness meditation, compassion meditation.
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So included in those skills, physical skills would be fast twitch muscle response, fine motor performance, dexterity, all this stuff you would need to make a violin or a viola in your 90s, along with like expertise and wisdom and all that, like cognitive abilities and IQ. It sort of paused me and I was like, well, wait a minute.
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It's an incredibly potent tool. It's amazing for a ton of different stuff. It's been studied extensively. for probably longer than any other meditation style. We understand all the neuroscience. But when it came to people who I got in fist fights with, And worse, for 10 years, it wasn't enough. I could like all the loving guidance, meditation of the world.
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Like I could forgive a lot of stuff and clean out a lot. I was left with like, it just like wasn't going away. So I decided one of the reasons I took on an incredibly difficult physical jockey challenge is, okay, I'm going to go like, this is my problem. Let's go walk a mile in their moccasins, right? Let's take this on. And it turns out it worked. By the way, I didn't think it was going to work.
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I just knew I needed to do this to thrive. And I was like, well, I'm out of any other ideas. Loving kindness meditation, which is what everybody is not getting it done. And there's still anger there. There's still resentment there. There's still stuff there. So let me see if taking on this kind of putting myself on a physical mission could clear that out. And it did. And
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The story is sort of in the end of the book and I won't sort of ruin it. Spoiler alert, right? I'd be giving away sort of that one and I'm not going to. But it was one of the neater things that happened along the way is I got to put down like a bunch of sort of shame and embarrassment and like stuff that I have carried since I was probably 10 or 12, definitely 12.
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I always say that one of the myths that I think a lot of people have about their life is that people think it's going to get easier. Like you think, oh, I'm going to get older. I'm going to get better at this. I'm going to be able to sort of like, oh, I know exactly what I like and I can manicure my life. And it just doesn't get easier. It just doesn't.
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What it gets is more meaningful and more in like life satisfaction, overall wellbeing. And that's what this really impacted. Somehow, like it made life more meaningful, like in those, in those ways. Like, I don't know, I, do I feel lighter perhaps, but what it, it just sort of, it closed that loop. You know what I mean? Like, okay, done. Check. I don't have to worry about that anymore.
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And literally what it really does is when certain memories just like pop into my head, now they just last a half second. And I'm like, oh yeah, there's that thing. And it goes away. Whereas before, no, I could start to think on it and dwell on it. And then I'd have a problem.
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I don't think so.
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If this is true, either Stradivarius is like the one in a billion or most of what we've been told about aging is wrong. I had already been looking at other aspects of it, but it really sort of lit a fire under me to really investigate our physical abilities and what happened to them over time. I've been looking at the cognitive stuff for a while.
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So he is right and he is wrong, as far as I could tell. Where he's really right is passing along knowledge is absolutely key to peak performance aging. It's key to, in fact, the societies where people age the best, two things are very true. One, they don't have negative stereotypes towards aging. So ageism is the most common and socially accepted stereotype in the world.
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I go out in the public these days with any stereotype, somebody's going to punch me in the mouth and cancel me, except for ageism. Ageism, people are like, oh, you're too old to do that shit. We geezer each other. And it's crazy. Becca Levy at Yale has done tons of work on ageism and the stereotype of aging. And it's incredibly detrimental.
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In fact, you could go so far as literally we are killing older adults. with how we talk about them. So that is really, really clear. Societies where there's no ageism, there's also cross-generational friendships. So the old are passing along knowledge. This is a natural part of brain development. Now, you have to put things into categories. He is not wrong.
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We do shift from fluid intelligence into crystallized intelligence. That transition does happen. But, but, but, but, but, a bunch of the skills that we thought declined over time, like the fluid intelligence skills that we thought went away, no, it turns out that's not true at all. We get actually new levels of intelligence and creativity in our 50s. So that's not actually true.
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There's certain things. The article I like best, Martin Seligman from Penn and Scott Barry Kaufman wrote a great article on creativity over time where they talk about what goes away and creativity and what stays or comes on. And the list of what comes on and stays is much longer than what goes away. Now, there's stuff that does go away. So the question you've got to now ask, is it permanent?
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Is this real? Or have we just not figured out how to train it? So let me give you an example. Adam Ghazali is a friend of mine. He's on my board. We do a lot of research together. He's at UCSF. And he's a neuroscientist. He did the cover of Nature a bunch of years ago. for a video game he designed. It's the very first video game to be approved by the FDA.
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It treats cognitive decline in older adults. And what it specifically focuses on is task switching. If you go back to fluid intelligence, one of the things that declines over time is task switching, our ability to focus on this and then focus on this. That's a real problem. He's got a video game that will take your brain.
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It's very related to flow, how we age, flow plays a big role there. So this is not new territory to me. The physical side was like, holy crap, could this possibly be true? And it is true. It's true across the board. Every one of our physical skills our use it or lose it skills. And the research is really clear. We don't stop using these skills, both physical and mental.
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If you're 60, you play it literally, I think it's three hours a week or three 20 minute sessions a week for six weeks is the standard doctor prescription for this video game. And it will reset your 60 year old brain back to 20. So there's a bunch of stuff like that, where it's use it or lose it. We just have to figure out how do you train it up.
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The other side of it is, so let's talk about the other weird, one of the things you said. One of the reasons our brain performance declines over time is White matter density decreases over time and we lose certain neurochemicals. So what he's not telling you is, well, you can replace those neurochemicals. In fact, SSRIs, which actually suck for depression, turn out to be great for older adults.
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Low-level SSRIs because serotonin levels decline over time and SSRIs can boost them. If you don't want to take a drug, Like with a weight vest, most of your serotonin is manufactured in your bones. And one of the reasons the brain has less is because you're making less in your bones. And if you increase bone density, you get the serotonin back, you get a bunch of those neurochemicals back.
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The general thinking is sort of true, but a lot of those skills are used to lose it and And either we've already figured out how to fix them, or this stuff is also progressing really, really, really quickly. The whole other side of this is regenerative medicine, longevity science, all that stuff is moving at exponential rates.
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So for example, five years ago, we could not deal with most tendon, bone, and ligament problems. There's very little you can do to tendons, bones, or ligaments, that exosomes, stem cells, certain other things, like we are good at that stuff now. It's advanced really far.
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Now, if anybody's making you promises about stem cells that go like beyond bones, ligaments, and tendons, no, no, they're lying and they're exaggerating what's real right now. But up to that point, no, no, we've sort of got to dial. So technology is advancing and it's going to solve a lot of those issues. A lot of those issues are not what we thought they were.
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And you can train a lot of that stuff in unusual ways. We're just figuring out. And some of the early ways, like all the brain games. They're worthless. They're totally worthless. They train nothing other than the ability to play that game. That's not how this works.
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But learning a foreign language, learning to play a musical instrument, learning a challenging dynamic activity, like all that stuff. No, no, that's the real medicine. And that really actually does work.
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We can hang on to them, even advance them far, far later into life than anybody thought possible.
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Yeah. So short version, our ego quiets down and our perspective widens. So essentially, we learn to see things from multiple perspectives. We learn that there are very few black and white truths and most things are gray. That's relativistic thinking and probabilistic thinking. And then The last category, we learn to see the forest through the trees.
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We get good, better at systems thinking and seeing the big picture. And because of these skills, this is where that extra intelligence, creativity, empathy, and wisdom comes from and builds out of this intelligence. There's a huge business opportunity here and nobody's paying attention to it.
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So that little backstory, when I wrote Bold, which is a book about like entrepreneurship and people like Larry Page and Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk and how to really use exponential technology and some human capability flow science stuff to really level up organizations, I spent so much years talking to CEOs. And a lot of the time in a lot of those discussions, we would talk about hiring.
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Who are the ideal employees? How do you find them? What do you need for the 21st century? And over and over again, thousands of times, I heard the same two things from CEOs. I need employees who are really intelligent and really creative and really innovative because the rate of change is really fast and I got to keep pace and stay ahead of it. Otherwise, I don't have a company.
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I don't have a business. I can't do any of that. Other thing I need is I need employees who are empathetic and wise, because if I don't have psychological safety, nobody can do their job. If I don't have psychological safety, I don't have great team performance. Without team performance, you can't be a company. You can't do those things without empathy and wisdom.
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Most importantly, the mantra of 21st century business, and maybe we thank Jeff Bezos for this, but it's always been, it's customer-centric thinking. And if you're not empathetic or you're not wise, Nobody's thinking like a customer at all. So it turns out a well-trained 50-year-old and well-trained is key, right? There's a whole bunch. We have like, you want those gateways of adult development.
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I've turned about these. It should be a hiring checklist. And in your 50s, you want access to these superpowers. You need to engage in creative activities that sort of unlocks these new thinking styles. That's another reason why challenging creative and social activities matter. And you need to fight off risk aversion and train down physical fragility.
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Because if your body is rotting, what good is all this new mental skills? You can't use it. And risk aversion, which increases over time, this is why challenging activities matter so much. Risk aversion increases over time and has a lot to do with like literally a white banner volume in the brain.
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But we have to train back because the more risk averse you are, the more afraid you are, the more norepinephrine you're producing that will block creativity. It blocks empathy and it blocks wisdom. So like you have to train back risk aversion to really flower in your 50s, 60s and 70s. But if you get it right and you've got all that stuff, these are dream employees.
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This is a business revolution waiting to happen. The very people that are getting forced out of companies, no, no, no, no. They're the very people we need in our companies most overall. And in fact, this is not my line. I think it's Daniel Levitin might have said it. It's the first person I heard say it this bluntly.
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But Daniel Levitin is a neuroscientist who just wrote a book called Successful Aging, where if you want... In my book, my book, sort of a fun adventure story, the sciences and the footnotes and sort of at the end, if you really want every itch of the science, you can either take my peak performance aging training or you can read successful aging. And like he goes through all of it.
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We came to all the same conclusions, though. I think I took my conclusions farther because I ran a bunch of weird ass experiments along the way. But he said flat out is like the best, the best advice I can give you on retirement is don't retire. Don't ever retire. Hmm. If you're interested in peak performance aging, retirement is a bad idea. Reinvention, maybe.
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Maybe I don't want to do the same thing I've been doing my whole life and I want to do something new. Great. Fantastic. Retirement, death sentence.
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So I would ask one, how physically active you are. If you're not dealing with somebody who has been regularly exercising for a while and hitting all five dynamic categories, you don't want to go near them. The number one correlate with health and longevity over time is leg strength, believe it or not.
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Yeah, it's wild. And we can talk about why and whatever. I don't think you can ask incoming employees, hey, what do you squat? Maybe you can. But if we're going to put politicians in office in their 80s, those questions become really freaking relevant. Those are things you really want to know. Are you engaging in challenging creative social activity? Those things become a checklist.
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for folks over 50. Identity, match fit, self-forgiveness, forgiveness of others. You don't get access to the cognitive superpowers without those things. So those are the kinds of questions you want to poke at to make sure are being checked off. Those sorts of things. Are you engaging in
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challenging creative social activities that demand dynamic deliberate play and take place in novel outdoor like that those things not they become a checklist and they become if you want to work here and you're over this age you got to do this because we need you but we need this version of you and the most important thing is i look for older adults with much younger friends
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Yeah. So there's a bunch of stuff on the cognitive side. Let's get back there in a second. On the physical side, there's five main categories that matter. And let me, since a lot of your listeners are younger, let me start here, which is peak performance aging starts young. The research is really clear. Interventions in your 80s, even beyond Matter, like really matter.
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I want to see those cross-generational friendships because older adults over 40, 50, one of the reasons they're not to be trusted is because they don't get the job because they're just too out of touch and things have changed. And there's a lot of stuff that changes and stays the same. And you sort of want the older adults around for that reason.
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But you also being old is not an excuse for not keeping up. either. Like what I'm telling you is you've got access to more brain power. So like, it's really not an excuse as far as I'm concerned. So I think it's got to be mutual. And I think the benefits are going to be amazing if it can be mutual.
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You can you can really make changes right up to the end and they matter and they're going to have actual big effects. But a lot of the stuff that you want to start working on, you actually want to start working on your 20s and your 30s. And, you know, this is the biohacking crowd is very aware of this. Right. A lot of that crowd is 20s and 30s and they're doing a lot of these things.
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So it turns out that both preserving physical abilities and cognitive function, leg strength is the single largest factor. Now, cognitive function is weird. Some of it has to do with bone density. Again, we're back to the bones and the big bones in your legs. And if they're dense, they're not losing their minerals, their nutrients, they can feed the brain.
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The second part is that if you're not mobile, you don't have a social life. it's a lot harder to have a social life. If you don't have a social life, you are not going to aid successfully.
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And in fact, if you don't have a social life peak performance, you're just sort of locked out of peak performance because you social support for a lot of different psychological safety reasons and just performance reasons. It's really important to have social support and
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part of that like you can get really great social support on the telephone on zoom we all learned that during covid but there is something to be said for in-person oxytocin right i always tell people if you if for whatever reason you're like stuck with the phone and zoom Make sure you pet a dog for at least eight minutes a day, a dog or a cat.
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Petting an animal for about five to eight minutes also releases oxytocin and some of those other pro-social chemicals. So if you're stuck on, we need social support for performance. We definitely need for peak performance aging. Animals are our friends here.
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Now, I might argue that they're doing some of the wrong stuff because they don't quite understand what peak performance aging is. But besides the point, a lot of this stuff starts young. On the physical side, we want to train five skills that matter most. Strength, stamina, flexibility, agility, and balance. Those are the five skills that you want to train over time. And this is not new knowledge.
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So let's back up one step and talk about learning, like where you started. I just want to start where you started, which is, so if you want to stave off Alzheimer's, dementia, cognitive decline, right? Fluid intelligence, what matters? Lifelong learning. Why is that?
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expertise and wisdom are the two most important things we can do to develop what's known as cognitive reserve so if you have a high cognitive reserve you could even have advanced alzheimer's meaning you die they autopsy your brain you've got tangles and plaques everywhere and it just looks like your brain's mush and you're still nobody would notice if you were alive this was so some of the early research that happened they started autopsying brains and being like whoa this person had advanced alzheimer's how the hell did they function so well up till age 100 what is it
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expertise in learning or to expertise in wisdom, which are two different things. But the important thing here is they're big, broad networks, and they're in the prefrontal cortex. The prefrontal cortex is where it's most vulnerable to cognitive decline. It's the newest brain structure from an evolutionary perspective, and it's the most vulnerable.
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You don't suffer cognitive decline like deep in your brainstem. It's impervious. But the prefrontal cortex is where it shows up. Expertise and wisdom live in the prefrontal cortex. And there's these diverse networks, lots of redundancy, lots of backup. So this goes down. You got seven other copies over here. Don't worry about it. So that's where you have to start with lifelong learning. And
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You want to do everything you can to maximize learning for that very reason. So what do we know about learning? One of the best ways to maximize learning is authentic learning. This is a big movement in education right now, but, and it's based on a whole bunch of different stuff, but let me just talk about one thing.
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So their attention, you can't learn anything, obviously, without focus or attention, right? Like paying attention is the gateway for learning. Attention is a coupled system. It's linked to autonomy. And autonomy means we like driving the bus. We like being in charge of our own lives, right? We can't pay maximum attention to something if it's not sort of by choice, authentic attention.
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Learning means we learn based basically exactly on who we are. So it got a bad name early on because people started talking about learning styles. Are you a visual learner or an auditory learner? And that's absolute nonsense. Like that's actually not true. No, we're all those things. It depends on what we're learning and how we're wired. And it changes over time. And that's not actually.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
But what is true is everybody shows up somewhere on the introversion, extroversion scale. Introverts need to learn in private. Extroverts want to learn in public. We're somewhere on the risk aversion scale. Like we have all have, I'm this fearful and you can only be pushed so far. And like, so those authentic learning is about like those kinds of questions, the questions that really matter.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And so, you know, one of the most important things for me is I'm an introvert. I don't mind being bad at stuff, but I don't like being bad in public. So we and most terrain parks are actually under chairlifts and very, very visible. So I would take these park tricks into the side country in the back country in the woods and learn them out of sight with my friends.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Like the World Health Organization knows exactly how many minutes a week we should be training these things. But peak performance aging, It's 150 to 300 minutes of hard aerobic training a week, moderate to vigorous aerobic training a week, two strength training days a week, and three flexibility, balance, and agility days a week. Or you can find one skill.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And then I could go back like trying to do it the other way was impossible for me. I don't. work that way and you can keep there's a lot more to authentic learning but the big point here is also taking on these kind of NAR style challenges late in life like learning how to park ski or whatever phenomenal for peak performance aging but you need a lot of motivation and it turns out we have like
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
We are driven towards authenticity. Carl Rogers argued that it functions as a fundamental drive. A fundamental drive meaning it's got as much power as a drive for sex or food or shelter. You have a drive to be yourself, your authentic self. And if you get it right, you get a huge boost in motivation, which is crucial for all this stuff.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So you learn better on the back end and you're more motivated to learn on the front end. And being that there's a lot to do in peak performance aging and it can be challenging, you want all the help you can get, right? In Art Impossible, I talk about One of the things peak performers are really good at is they never meet a challenge around a single fuel source. We know this food-wise, right?
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Like you want carbs, protein, and fats before you're going into workout. Same thing with motivation. You want authenticity. You want autonomy. You want passion, purpose. All these big intrinsic motivators, curiosity, you want to stack them on top of each other because it maximizes our motivation.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Well, anything that requires seeing things from other people's perspectives and multi-perspectival thinking, you're just better at. It's harder to do when you're younger because of how the ego functions and how the it when you're older. You can meditate a lot to sort of lower cognitive bias and do those things, but it's going to start to happen naturally when you're older.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So to me, the big one, the cool one is the systems thinking part because like one of the commonalities among all the biggest brains I've ever met, all the real, the people who really can affect change in the world, they're all systems thinkers. And it's really hard to train people how to be systems thinkers. It's a tough skill to bring on. Certain careers force you to learn it in different ways.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Writing, especially if you write books, because you have to hold 400 pages in your head and move it around and be able to do stuff like that. have to be able to hold the big picture. It's sort of built into the job and it's trained up over time, but it's not trained up in a lot of jobs. Mostly we specialize, especially in the modern world. We specialize, we specialize, we specialize.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And one of the things that I want to point out here is And anybody who's ever worked in entrepreneurship, innovation, like, you know, all the big innovations are in the cracks between disciplines. It's very hard to innovate inside that same funnel that everybody's been in for 50 years.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
But you move adjacent to where that funnel touches something, and suddenly there's a revolution waiting to happen. And that's how you build companies and world-changing companies and everything else. You can't see that shit if you're not a systems thinker. It's completely invisible to you. So the thing that I think is the most exciting over is that.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
I chose park skiing in the book that accompanies all that, right? In park skiing, I'm using strength, stamina, balance, agility, flexibility. There's other stuff you want to do. There's ways. We have things called prime mover muscles, our big muscles, and then we have stabilizer muscles like your rotator cuffs or your hip flexors.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Let me back this story up a little bit to tell you a story that's not in the book.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
That is where this actually starts. So people may know this or not know this. For almost the past two decades, my wife and I run a hospice care dog sanctuary. So for two decades, we've done hospice work with dogs. We have a healing methodology that's based on it's very low tech. It's flows. It's like lifestyle interventions in a sense.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Some flow science, some evolutionary psychology, nothing really fancy. Our dogs all get checked out by vets when they come to us. Before they come to us, they come from shelters. But we specialize in the worst of the worst. So if you are a geriatric chihuahua with an abusive past, three legs, one eye, cancer, heart disease, mange, and flatulence, you're our guy. That's who we work with.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And the vets would be like, we did get these dogs. Dogs would be like, don't get attached. This dog is going to live a month, month and a half at most. This is about to provide a very good death. And we bring the dogs in. And mind you, we've over 700 dogs passed through our facility and over 5,000 are our program. So big sample size.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And on average, our dogs wouldn't live another month or six weeks. They would live another three, four, five years.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
You translate into that human numbers. That's right. You get seven years for every year. So like the top end of that, you're getting an extra like 28 years, 30, like what the fuck is going on? Pardon my language. So I started to ask questions like, what's going on? Why is this working? What are we doing? And will it work in humans? Like, would any of this stuff work in humans, right?
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And it turns out almost everything I were doing with the dogs exists in these so-called blue zones, which is what led me to the blue zones in the first place. So Dan Buehler is a National Geographic reporter in the early 2000s noticed that there were places on the planet where people lived on average 12 years longer than everybody else. And they're all over the place.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And he wanted to know, well, what are the commonalities? And he did a whole bunch of research. The research is a little controversial. The controversy is not on the lifestyle stuff. It's on the, there's some stuff that has been turned into supplements and is dietary. And those are the open, and those questions are open. There's no argument on sort of the lifestyle stuff with the blue zone.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And the commonalities are really like move around a lot, regular exercise, right? De-stress regularly. So have rituals. meditation, exercise, gratitude practices, breathing work, whatever it is, walking in nature. I don't like have rituals to de-stress regularly. A ton of stuff on social belonging and connection. This is why challenging social activities matter so much.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
This is built into blue zones. There's also this respect for the elders and these cross-generational friendships. They're built into blue zones. There's some evolution. I mean, they eat healthy. They eat less than most people and they eat very, very healthy diets. But like,
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Over time, the body gets more efficient and it will start using the prime movers and not use the stabilizer muscles. So if you've been on the couch for a while and you come back to athletics, you're not going to hurt your quad. You're going to tear the stable out. You're going to tear your hip flexor because it stopped doing the work.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
There's no one diet across the boards that like works for everybody, but those are sort of the commonalities and they live with passion, purpose, and regular access to flow. And these were all things that we were providing for our dogs in very, like, for example, they get social belonging and connection. They really emphasize it. You're in the blue zones.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Some of them, people will spend six hours a day hanging out with friends or family. So a lot of it with our dogs, we had enforced petting time. So when you have a lot of dogs, like, At various times, we've had 40, 50 dogs. It's hard to individual petting time. You have to like, oh, I got to hang out with this dog. But we would do it because we wanted these neurochemicals underneath that.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Same thing with flow. We'd find ways to put our dogs into flow. Flow is really important to peak performance aging for a lot of different reasons. But the state is a really positive, powerful, emotional state. And some of the emotions that show up in flow stimulate the production of T cells and natural killer cells.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So T cells fight diseases and natural killer cells fight tumors and sick cells and other diseases of aging. So when we get into flow, it lowers inflammation, which is tied to all the causes of aging. It peruses T cells, natural killer cells, a lot of benefits, and it boosts the immune system. So this was the stuff we were doing in our dogs. This is stuff that's going on in the blue zone.
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This is stuff we now
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
widely know correlates to healthy longevity this isn't really peak performance aging it's sort of successful aging healthy aging right at this point it's like it should be common sense for everybody really is really what it should be but one of the things that's interesting is you also see a high a lot of the places where there are blue zones you see a lot of action sport and outdoor athletes do
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Colorado, Pitkin County, Colorado, and Eagle County, Colorado, and Loma Linda, California are the four places in America where people, these are the blue zones. Summit, Pitkin, and Eagle, this is Colorado. That's Vail, Aspen, Beaver Creek, all the big ski areas, a lot of outdoor stuff. And in Loma Linda, that's a Seventh Day Advance.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
population and they're very social very flowy good dietary stuff a lot of belonging a lot of so like it's the same stuff um and a lot of outdoor activities surfing and because it's california on the ocean right they and they take advantage of that stuff too
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Well, one, it is completely erroneous, though myself and Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi are totally at fault for this. We are to blame. But the idea that flow only shows up in athletes and artists is not true. We focused a lot on athletes and we focused a lot on artists. So people think it's only athletes and artists, but The most common flow state on earth is reading or interpersonal flow.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Interpersonal flow is like the group flow. You and your best friend get into a great conversation and a whole hour goes by and you don't notice it's gone. That's interpersonal flow. Happens all the time. So one of the reasons you want to engage in challenging creative and social activities, they all trigger flow. So singing in a choir, very, very flowy. Group flow, lots of research on that.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Your quad, if you're walking around, your ambulatory is working. Your hip flexor has started to atrophy. So there's ways you want to think about training that's a little bit different. if you've been away for a while. But those are the physical skills we need to train over time. On the cognitive side, it's a really long list.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Gardening, very flowy. Long walks in nature. You know, nature is very, very flowy. Coding, architecture, drawing, drumming, dancing, on and on and on. I mean, there's a ton of flow at work. In fact, flow is much more common at work. than it is during leisure for a bunch of different reasons. But the list sort of goes on and on and on.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
If we want to enjoy the second half, if we want to enjoy our lives in general, but if we really want to thrive during our second half of our lives, you can't do it without flow. Flow is actually the engine of adult development. It's how we grow up. We grow up by getting into flow states, coming out the other side is more complex, more skillful, more adaptive,
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
more empathetic, wiser, and we move forward. Like, so it plays a big role in adult development and successful in peak performance aging.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
You can double down on your primary flow activity. which is whatever the thing you've done most of your life that just drops you into flow. For me, it's skiing, right? For my wife, it's long walks with the dogs. For my best friend, it's playing guitar. Whatever that thing that most likely drops you into flow. Flow massively amplifies, among other things, motivation, productivity, and creativity.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And here's the cool thing. Even though a flow state lasts about 90 minutes, sometimes it can stretch out for longer. The heightened productivity and creativity will outlast the flow state by a day, maybe two. Flow also resets the nervous system. It calms you down, flushes stress hormones out of your system. So emotional regulation, emotional management, fear blocks, performance on every level.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Flow resets the nervous system. And the thing is, it's most people, and especially all the people listening to this podcast, are going to be like you. You got to your 30s and you stopped skiing. You put down childish things. The skis go away, the surfboard goes away, the skateboard goes away. You stop samba dancing and salsa dancing and all that stuff. And the research shows that's a disaster.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
It's a disaster. In fact, we work with tons of people all over the world and burnout is a real big issue. The first thing we do to treat burnout is have them double down on the primary flow activity. Research shows that if you want peak performance, you need to have like about three to four hours a week on your primary flow activity just to keep your nervous system where it needs to be.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And let me pause there, let you ask another question, then we'll get to the stuff on the cognitive side because we'll spend the next 20 minutes, I'll spend the next 20 minutes talking.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Flow Research Collective is my organization. We're a research and training organization. On the research side, we study the neurobiology of peak human performance, what's going on in the brain and the body when we're performing at our best.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
We did this work with scientists all over the world at Stanford and Imperial College London and UCSC and UCLA and UC Davis and USCSF and a whole bunch of other academics. And we take the science and we use it to train people.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
We train people in 130 countries and we train everybody from like professional athletes and members of the special forces to soccer moms and insurance brokers and teachers and folks in the Air Force. And we work with a lot of companies in between. So I think now we're training Facebook or Meta, Accenture, Bain Capital, Audi, San Francisco Police Department, the Air Force.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
wise watch people and our trainings are for everybody and if you're interested if you go to getmoreflow.com cheesiest url in the world but nobody was remembering any of the others so i've given in and it's now getmoreflow.com despite the fact that i'm embarrassed to say it out loud but you can go there and sign up for a free uh hour-long coaching call with somebody on my staff.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So you'll hear all about the trainings. You'll learn everything. Is it right for you? Is it wrong for you? Nobody on my staff gets every, I'll fire somebody if they try to sell you anything. It's just an informational conversation. So it's really mellow and most people get a lot out of it and it's free, getmoreflow.com.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
It's just hard work. I'll give you an example. I came up as a journalist and I figured out very early on that most journalists hated rewriting. They'd write their story, they'd edit it, They'd turn it in, the editor would make changes and they'd rewrite it once and turn it back in. I found that out. I was like, okay, you guys are doing it three times.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Clearly my job is to make my editor's job easier. Like my job editor has to like really comb through my articles and takes months. He hates me. That's not, you know, I'm not a good employee. So I started editing my stories 12 times. I just figure out what everybody else would do and I'd triple it or quadruple it. I did that for years. It wasn't much of a secret.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
I just figured I wasn't as smart, as well-connected, as handsome and all the other things as everybody else, but I just figured out how to outwork them. A lot of it is about smart hard work, not just hard work. There's better ways to do it.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
I talk a lot about that in our country, about the advantages of smart hard work and smart hard play, and the difficulties with just hard work is the only tool you reach for. But really, Like, there's no secret. I just put my butt in the chair and I did the work.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Nar Country, you can go to narcountry.com or Amazon or wherever books are sold. StephenCotler.com gets you to me. FlowResearchCollective.com gets you to the Flow Research Collective. GetMoreFlow.com gets you to our trainings. I think that's it.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
My pleasure. It was great hanging out with you again.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Okay, we got to get to the full sentence anyway.
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Throw it out there and then we'll break it apart and why it matters so much.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So if you want to rock till you drop, if you really are interested in peak performance aging, you need to regularly engage in challenging creative and social activities. That is, you've just pointed out that demand dynamic, deliberate play and take place in novel outdoor environments. Now let's unpack what this big ass sentence and what it means and why it answers your question.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So challenging social and creative, lifelong learning matters for a bunch of different reasons, but short version, if we want to preserve brain function, we need expertise and wisdom.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
expertise and wisdom are these very diverse neural nets in the brain lots of real estate lots of redundancy impervious to cognitive decline the more expertise the more wisdom and this is why one of the reasons performance aging starts young like literally the guy who who did the core research on wisdom elkanon goldberg his core advice is the more wisdom the more expertise the more we have cognitive reserve the meaning the more we can stave off alzheimer's dementia
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
cognitive decline, all the things that are going to happen, could happen to the brain over time. This is how we fight back. And his point was wisdom among the many things encapsulated in wisdom are all like the unconscious rules that govern how do systems work? How does behavior work? All the, like all that stuff. It's, onboarded slowly over time. So you want to start training these things.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
You want to start learning. Challenging creative and social activities, we learn a lot during. They also tend to drive us into flow. Social activities are really important as we age. The most important thing you can do for your brain is maintain social activity because it keeps the brain active in really important ways and really lowers stress levels.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So a lot of stuff we're going to be talking about, there are nine known causes of aging. They're all linked to inflammation. Inflammation is linked to stress. So anything you do that fights stress, that lowers stress, that gives you more emotional control is involved in peak performance aging. So social activities lower stress. They give us these pro-social.
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Oh, there's people around who love me, got my back. I can be a little less stressed. So there's a lot of that stuff. Dynamic, deliberate play is the next bit. Dynamic is literally what we've been talking about. It's just a fancy way of saying, He did all five categories of functional fitness, strength, stamina, flexibility, balance, agility, deliberate play. You've heard of deliberate practice.
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Anders Ericsson's favorite expertise, repetition with incremental advancement is the fastest path for his expertise. And Anders wasn't wrong, but as he himself said, that's only true in certain very precise disciplines. And when faced with just general learning, deliberate play works better than deliberate practice. Deliberate play is repetition with improvisation.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
You're going to do the same thing you did last time, but a little bit of flourish, a little flower, a little something fun. It's playful, meaning there's no shame. There's no embarrassment. If you're bad, who cares? You're having fun. But that feeling of play produces more neurochemistry, more endorphins. This one really boosts the immune system, lowers stress levels, but amplifies learning.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So dynamic, deliberate play says I'm using all the physical skills that decline, and I'm learning better than any other way. Novel outdoor environments, the last bit. Why do we care? And this is back. Action sports demand dynamic, deliberate play. They take place in novel outdoor environments, and they're challenging, creative, and social. So one-stop shopping.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
The last bit is the most important bit. One, outdoor environments in general lower stress. We know this. This is well-established in positive psychology. A 20-minute walk in the woods will outperform most SSRIs for treatment of depression. I can talk about why if you care, but we know that. Good for you, lowers stress.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So in itself, being in nature is anti-inflammatory, so it's better for healthy aging. But if you want to preserve brain function, how do you do that? You want to birth new neurons and turn those new neurons into neural nets. That's learning. So the adult brain, contrary to what we used to believe for a long time, it actually does continue to birth new neurons.
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In fact, the adult brain will birth about 700 new neurons a day, even basically until you die. But where do those neurons show up is the key question. They show up in a part of the brain known as the hippocampus. The hippocampus does two things. It does long-term memory and it does location, place. It's packed with place cells and grid cells. Why? We evolved as hunter-gatherers.
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When you were in the wild and something emotionally charged happened, you've got to remember where you were when it happened. That's survival. So where did I get attacked by that tiger so I don't go back there? Where was that ripe fruit tree? So when it comes into season, I'm hungry, I can go there. This is survival. This is what the brain is designed to do.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Peak performance and peak performance aging is always getting our biology to work for us rather than against us. Our biology is designed to remember when we have novel experiences in outdoor environments. So that's what you want to use it for. Action sports gives you that.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Now, I also say in the book that like if action sports aren't your thing, you can duplicate a lot of this by simply hiking with a weight vest. And weight vests are really key, better than a lot of other things because they amplify bone density.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Little known fact, your bones, like where you store all your minerals, all your nutrients are stored in your bones and they're released into... So everything that drives the brain, calcium, for example, which is in everything the brain does, it's stored in the bones. So as our bones become less dense over time, which happens... It impacts everything.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
For women, really important after menopause, where does most of your estrogen come from? Your bones. So wildly fluctuating hormonal levels, which is a problem that most people have post-menopause, exacerbated by bone density. If you want to increase bone density, one of the best ways is hiking with a weight vest. There's lots of literature. There's lots of science on that.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
There's also a bunch of other benefits, but it hits all of those categories if you're not interested in action sports. That said, there's a lot to recommend in action sports, especially a lot of our country is about a new way of approaching these difficult, challenging physical activities late in life that's much safer and much more well-suited to progression.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So there's a couple of things you need to know to flesh this out a little bit. But you are right. Everything you said is totally true. Why did I think I could learn to park ski?
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
There's a whole bunch of new stuff in like flow science, my field and body cognition, a couple other whiz bang fields that I was like, you know, if these things are right, should be totally possible for older adults to be able to learn really, really difficult skills. I'll give you like one random example. We have a motor learning window.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Like Beverly says, don't become a gymnast or a ballet dancer after 25, right? Because that window's closed and you can't just, that's sort of true. There is like a lot of things in big performance aging. It's true, but, and here's the but, what really changes is not our ability to learn. It's how we learn. When we're kids, we play. When we're adults, we have shame. We have embarrassment.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
We have time crunches. We have a whole bunch of other stuff. If you can shift back into that attitude of play, a lot of that motor learning window reopens. So that's just one example. A lot of the skills that we used to think declined over time. We now know their use it or lose it skill, including the skills we need to learn how to park ski. So that was sort of where it came from.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
I was an expert skier. I just had never parked. I knew no tricks. I was a big mountain skier. I could go in a straight line very fast, really well. But park skiing is like it's you take it. doing tricks off jumps and on rails and wall rides. It's very acrobatic. It's very dangerous. So it was a totally new adventure for me. There were a lot of reasons to take it up.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
There were a lot of advantages about knowing how to park ski later in life was actually what I was after. But it was just a great way to test all this science. And when we learned, and here's what's cool, So I made to, to, to measure progress. I made a list of 20 tracks.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
This is zero to like intermediate, intermediate matter, because once you get there, you're sort of like, you take the random shit out of the equation. Like you can control your progress and not have these accidental falls or things that really can get you hurt early on. I figured if it took five years, cool, whatever. Like I didn't care. I started when I was 53.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
If it took me to a 60, great, whatever, who cares? I did it in under a season. In fact, I've never learned anything so fast in my entire life. And the cool part was my ski partner, who was your age and was a former professional athlete who got very injured, retired, had a family, had a job, came back to the sport. He used the same methodology and got farther than he's ever gotten before.
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Absolutely. And this is a concept that I really resonated with because In football, this is what we were trained to do. Read the situation. Read and react. Read and react. There's lots of clues. And you're looking for the clues. You just have to know what you're looking for. No one knew that there was a favorite and a fool. The moment you start looking for the clues, they're all over the place.
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It's not a sin to lose business. It's a sin to take a long time losing business. And the real reason why real estate agents work seven days a week is because they don't work five. If they actually work five days a week, actually work, rather than spending time chasing after business they're not going to get, they wouldn't have to work seven days a week. They wouldn't have to be on call 24-7.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
We came back the following year. We took 17 older adults, ages 29 to 68. They were intermediate at best, park skiers or skiers and snowboarders. And we trained them up in four days on the mountain and they got good. But then, because as you pointed out, action sports, not for everyone. So the key thing here is mindset. What am I talking about? Let me tell you what we did.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And let me tell you what it was. We then stripped out the action sports. We used weight vest hiking instead. And we put 300 adults, all ages, ages like 30 to 40.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
1985, I think, through the same kind of training to see if we could explode their mindset towards aging and get them on what I call the NAR style quest, which is a challenging social and creative activity that demands dynamic, deliberate play and takes place in not a lot of environments. I don't care what it is. I wanted them to just start on a quest that would lead to something that way.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
What I really wanted to do was explode the mindset of, oh, I'm too old for this shit. I'm going to get hurt. I got things I want to hold on to. It sets up. It's really weird. Our biology is designed when we're young. Kids, teenagers, young adults, the seeking system sort of drives our behavior. This is exploratory behavior, right? Like, I'm going to go out. I'm going to check out something new.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
I'm going to figure out who I am and what I do and how I want to live and how do I want to make a living, all that stuff. This is about dopamine and norepinephrine. Those are very potent, feel-good neurochemicals. They're very addictive. Very, very, very addictive, right? Cocaine's the most widely addictive drug on earth.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
All that happens is it causes the brain to release some dopamine and it blocks its reuptake, right? So dopamine is really addictive. When we get stuff that we want to hold on to, oh, I got the right job. I've got the right partner. I've got kids. I've got dogs. I've got a great apartment. I like my bike, whatever it is. We no longer want to be seeking.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
We want the stuff that is about conserving what we have, protecting what we have, bonding. So we get endorphins and anandamide and oxytocin. These are like the pro-social neurochemicals that underpin strong family structures and things like that, strong company structures, and they're great. But we're trading our addictions. And what happens is it makes us very, very conservative.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
It shuts down the seeking system. We get the voice in our head that says, hey, don't do that. You're going to lose what you have. The truth of the matter is like old people are literally addicted to the wrong drugs in their bodies. You need all of these systems working together for peak performance aging. And there's a penalty for having a mindset of old. And this is the point.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
There's a big health and longevity penalty. In fact, when you flip it, when you have a positive mindset towards aging, second half of my life is filled with thrilling and exciting possibilities. My best days are ahead of me. It translates, and this is one of the most well-established facts in peak performance aging. It will translate into additional seven and a half years of health and longevity.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
That's huge. That's like quitting smoking huge. In fact, if you're morbidly obese and have a shitty mindset towards aging, change your mindset first. It actually have a bigger effect on your life and your health and your longevity than losing weight. So it's really, really important. It's where peak performance aging starts. And one of the reasons that peak performance aging starts young is
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
If you never develop this mindset, this isn't going to be a problem. Like you're not going to have to overcome it. One of the reasons the NAR style adventure is so useful for older adults is like for me, it didn't matter what I wanted to believe about aging. Once I got out on the mountain, I was learning how to do 360s and nose butter 360s and 180s and all the other stuff I learned.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Like it just blew up all my limiting beliefs about what was possible in the future because I have just onboarded the most difficult physical thing I've ever done in my life. And I did it at 53. And I've done a lot of difficult physical things along the way. This was definitely the hardest and I did it.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And I'm still park skiing at 55 now because I wrote books a couple of years old in terms of when I wrote it.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So, you know, books have a lot of origin stories. There's like 11 different things that come together. I've been working, researching, looking at the field of peak performance for a while in a totally unrelated project, right? I was going to write a mystery novel and I wanted a cat burglar as a character who was going to steal musical instruments.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Who made the rarest musical instruments in history? Oh, it's Stradivarius. And then I found, figured out what you mentioned, which is he made two of the rarest and most expensive musical instruments in his 90s. And I went, well, wait a minute.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Everything I've been told about physical abilities is like the older myth about aging, which most of us believe, and I believed at the time of this, is what you could call the long, slow rot theory. It's the idea that all of our mental skills and our physical skills, they decline over time. There's nothing we can do to stop the slide.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So another reason peak performance aging sort of starts young. First, we start with the good news. One of the reasons old dogs can learn new tricks that we haven't talked about yet is as we enter our 50s, it's really in our late 40s, there are a bunch of really profound changes in how the brain processes information. One, certain genes only turn on with experience.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
They'll only flip these switches later in life. Two, in our 50s, the two hemispheres of the brain, which essentially function in opposition to each other along the way, they start working together like never before. And finally, the brain starts to recruit underutilized resources in our 50s. So as a result, we gain access to whole new levels of intelligence, creativity, empathy, and wisdom.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And I go on and on and on about those benefits. There's a lot that comes with that, but these are not guaranteed. So Psychologists talk about moderators, the technical term, it's an if-then condition. You get this only if you do this, right?
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And if you want the access to these cognitive superpowers in our 50s, and we'll come back to it, but from a profit perspective, we really want to talk about those superpowers in a second. Let me finish this point. There are a number of gateways of adult development that you have to pass through.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So by the age 30, you sort of, if you really just want to enjoy and kick ass beyond 30, you have to have solved the crisis of identity, which sort of shows up around age 12. And Erickson thought it used to disappear at 18. It doesn't, but it does. If you haven't solved it by 30, you have a problem. The reason is by 40, you need match fit. Match fit is an economics term. It means
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
There's a tight link between who I am and what I do in the world, right? If you just, if you don't know who you are, you can't get match fit because there's no, if you don't know your strengths, your values, all that stuff. So that has to be by 30, by 40, we need to be, we have match fit. And then by 50, we need forgiveness. We got to forgive ourselves for like past embarrassments and past shames.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And we got to forgive those who have done us harm. And as you pointed out, I spent most of my childhood losing fights to jocks. I was a punk rocker. The jocks didn't like us. I didn't like them. And this was back in the 70s and 80s. And you got to understand, cars of football players would pull up on the side of the road and they'd see a guy with a Mohawk and they'd jump out to beat you up.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And it was like five against one always. And it was not a great situation. So I had a lot of anger. And I knew peak performance aging, you got to put that shit down. You cannot thrive in your 50s. You don't get these superpowers, which is why old dogs can learn new tricks better than young dogs. It's why one of the reasons I learned park skiing so fast is I have more intelligence.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So included in those skills, physical skills would be fast twitch muscle response, fine motor performance, dexterity, all this stuff you would need to make a violin or a viola in your 90s, along with like expertise and wisdom and all that, like cognitive abilities and IQ. It sort of paused me and I was like, well, wait a minute.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
I've got more creativity. I've got the stuff I need. And they've got even more wisdom, which means I can keep myself safer than when I was making better decisions along the way. That stuff is great, but I don't get it if I can't forgive those who have done me wrong. So the standard best way to do that, and there's tons of research, is love and kindness meditation and passion meditation.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
It's an incredibly potent tool. It's amazing for a ton of different stuff. It's been studied extensively. for probably longer than any other meditation style. We understand all the neuroscience, but when it came to people who I got in fistfights with and worse for 10 years, it wasn't enough. I could like all the loving guidance meditation in the world.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Like I could forgive a lot of stuff and clean out a lot. I was left with like, it just like, wasn't going away. So I decided one of the reasons I took on an incredibly difficult physical jockey challenge is, okay, I'm going to go like, this is my problem. Let's go walk a mile in their moccasins, right? Let's take this on. And it turns out it worked. By the way, I didn't think it was going to work.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
I just knew I needed to do this to thrive. And I was like, well, I'm out of any other ideas. Loving kindness meditation, which is what everybody is not getting it done. And there's still anger there. There's still resentment there. There's still stuff there. So let me see if taking on this kind of putting myself on a physical mission could clear that out. And it did.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And, you know, the story is sort of in the end of the book and I won't sort of ruin it. A spoiler alert, right? I'd be giving away sort of that one and I'm not going to. But it was one of the neater things that happened along the way is I got to put down like a bunch of sort of shame and embarrassment and like stuff that I, I've carried since I was probably 10 or 12, definitely 12.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
I always say that one of the myths that I think a lot of people have about their life is that people think it's going to get easier. Like you think, oh, I'm going to get older. I'm going to get better at this. I'm going to be able to sort of like, oh, I know exactly what I like and I can manicure my life. And it just doesn't get easier. It just doesn't.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
What it gets is more meaningful and more in like life satisfaction, overall wellbeing. And that's what this really impacted. Somehow, like it made life more meaningful, like in those, in those ways. Like, I don't know, I, do I feel lighter perhaps, but what it, it just sort of, it closed that loop. You know what I mean? Like, okay, done. Check. I don't have to worry about that anymore.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And literally what it really does is when certain memories just like pop into my head, now they just last a half second. And I'm like, oh yeah, there's that thing. And it goes away. Whereas before, no, I could start to think on it and dwell on it. And then I'd have a problem.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
I didn't think so.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
If this is true, either Stradivarius is like the one in a billion or most of what we've been told about aging is wrong. I had already been looking at other aspects of it, but it really sort of lit a fire under me to really investigate our physical abilities and what happened to them over time. I've been looking at the cognitive stuff for a while.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
So he is right and he is wrong, as far as I could tell. Where he's really right is passing along knowledge is absolutely key to peak performance aging. In fact, the societies where people age the best, two things are very true. One, they don't have negative stereotypes towards aging. So
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
ageism is the most common and socially accepted stereotype in the world i go out in the public these days with any stereotype somebody's gonna punch me in the mouth and cancel me except for ageism ageism you can people are like oh you're too old to do that shit like we geezer each other right and it's crazy becca levy at yale has done tons of work on ageism
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And the stereotype of aging, and it's incredibly detrimental. In fact, you could go so far as literally we are killing older adults with how we talk about them. So that is really, really clear. Societies where there's no ageism, there's also cross-generational friendships. So the old are passing along knowledge. This is a natural part of brain development.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Now, you have to put things into categories. He is not wrong. We do shift from fluid intelligence into crystallized intelligence. That transition does happen. But, but, but, but, but a bunch of the skills that we thought declined over time, like the fluid intelligence skills that we thought went away. No, it turns out that's not true at all.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
We get actually new levels of intelligence and creativity in our 50s. So that's not actually true. There's certain things. The article I like best, Martin Seligman from Penn and Scott Barry Kaufman, wrote a great article on creativity over time where they talk about what goes away from creativity and what stays or comes on.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And the list of like what comes on and stays is much longer than what goes away. Now there's stuff that does go away. So the question you've got to now ask, is it permanent? Is this real? Or have we just not figured out how to train it? So let me give you an example. Adam Ghazali is a friend of mine. He's on my board. We do a lot of research together. He's at UCSF. He's a neuroscientist.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
It's very related to flow, how we age, flow plays a big role there. So this is not new territory to me. The physical side was like, holy crap, could this possibly be true? And it is true. It's true across the board. Every one of our physical skills our use it or lose it skills. And the research is really clear. We don't stop using these skills, both physical and mental.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
He did the cover of Nature a bunch of years ago for a video game he designed. It's the very first video game to be approved by the FDA. It treats cognitive decline in older adults. What it specifically focuses on is task switching. If you go back to fluid intelligence, one of the things that declines over time is task switching, our ability to focus on this and then focus on this.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
That's a real problem. He's got a video game that will take your brain. If you're 60, you play it literally, I think it's three hours a week or three 20 minute sessions a week for six weeks is the standard doctor prescription for this video game. And it will reset your 60 year old brain back to 20. So there's a bunch of stuff like that where it's use it or lose it.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
We just have to figure out how do you train it up? The other side of it is, so let's talk about the other weird, one of the things he said One of the reasons our brain performance declines over time is white matter density decreases over time and we lose certain neurochemicals. So what he's not telling you is, well, you can replace those neurochemicals.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
In fact, SSRIs, which actually suck for depression, turn out to be great for older adults. Low-level SSRIs because serotonin levels decline over time and SSRIs can boost them. If you don't want to take a drug, Like with a weight vest, most of your serotonin is manufactured in your bones. And one of the reasons the brain has less is because you're making less in your bones.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
And if you increase bone density, you get the serotonin back, you get a bunch of those neurochemicals back. The general thinking is sort of true, but a lot of those skills are use it or lose it. And either we've already figured out how to fix them, or this stuff is also progressing really, really, really quickly.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
That's the whole other side of this is regenerative medicine, longevity, science, all that stuff is moving at exponential rates. So for example, five years ago, we could not deal with most tendon, bone, and ligament problems. Today, There's very little you can do to tendons, bones, or ligaments, that exosomes, stem cells, certain other things, like we are good at that stuff now.
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
It's advanced really far. Now, if anybody's making you promises about stem cells that go like beyond bones, ligaments, and tendons, no, no, they're lying and they're exaggerating what's real right now. But up to that point, no, no, we've sort of got to dial down. So technology is advancing and it's going to solve a lot of those issues. A lot of those issues are not what we thought they were.
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And you can train a lot of that stuff in unusual ways. We're just figuring out. And some of the early ways, like all the brain games, They're worthless. They're totally worthless. They train nothing other than the ability to play that game. That's not how this works.
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But learning a foreign language, learning to play a musical instrument, learning a challenging dynamic activity, like all that stuff. No, no, that's the real medicine. And that really actually does work.
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We can hang on to them, even advance them far, far later into life than anybody thought possible.
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Yeah. So short version, our ego quiets down and our perspective widens. So essentially we learn to see things from multiple perspectives. We learn that there are very few black and white truths and most things are gray. That's relativistic thinking and probabilistic thinking. Then the last category, we learn to see the forest through the trees.
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We get good, better at systems thinking and seeing the big picture. And because of these skills, This is where that extra intelligence, creativity, empathy, and wisdom comes from and builds out of this intelligence. There's a huge business opportunity here and nobody's paying attention to it.
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So that little backstory, when I wrote Bold, which is a book about like entrepreneurship and people like Larry Page and Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk and how to really use exponential technology and some human capability flow science stuff to really level up organizations. I spent so much years talking to CEOs. And a lot of the time in a lot of those discussions, we would talk about hiring.
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Who are the ideal employees? How do you find them? What do you need for the 21st century? And over and over again, thousands of times, I heard the same two things from CEOs. I need employees who are really intelligent and really creative and really innovative because the rate of change is really fast and I got to keep pace and stay ahead of it. Otherwise, I don't have a company.
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I don't have a business. I can't do any of that. Other thing I need is I need employees who are empathetic and wise, because if I don't have psychological safety, nobody can do their job. If I don't have psychological safety, I don't have great team performance. Without team performance, you can't be a company. You can't do those things without empathy and wisdom.
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Most importantly, the mantra of 21st century business, and maybe we thank Jeff Bezos for this, but it's always been, it's customer-centric thinking. And if you're not empathetic or you're not wise, Nobody's thinking like a customer at all. So it turns out a well-trained 50-year-old and well-trained is key, right? There's a whole bunch. We have like, you want those gateways of adult development.
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I've turned about these. It should be a hiring checklist. And in your 50s, you want access to these superpowers. You need to engage in creative activities that sort of unlocks these new thinking styles. That's another reason why challenging creative and social activities matter. And you need to fight off risk aversion and train down physical fragility.
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Because if your body is rotting, what good is all this new mental skills? You can't use it. And risk aversion, which increases over time, this is why challenging activities matter so much. Risk aversion increases over time. It has a lot to do with like literally a white banner volume in the brain.
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But we have to train back because the more risk averse you are, the more afraid you are, the more norepinephrine you're producing. That will block creativity. It blocks empathy and it blocks wisdom. So like you have to train back. Risk aversion will really flower in your 50s, 60s and 70s. But if you get it right and you've got all that stuff, these are dream employees.
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This is a business revolution waiting to happen. The very people that are getting forced out of companies, no, no, no, no. They're the very people we need in our companies most overall. And in fact, this is not my line. I think it's Daniel Levitin might have said it. It's the first person I heard say it this bluntly.
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But Daniel Levitin is a neuroscientist who just wrote a book called Successful Aging, where if you want... In my book, my book's sort of a fun adventure story, the sciences and the footnotes. And sort of at the end, if you really want every itch of the science, you can either take my peak performance aging training, or you can read Successful Aging. And like he goes through all of it.
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We came to all the same conclusions, though I think I took my conclusions farther because I ran a bunch of weird ass experiments along the way. But he said flat out, he's like, the best advice I can give you on retirement is don't retire. Don't ever retire anymore. If you're interested in peak performance aging, retirement is a bad idea. Reinvention, maybe.
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Maybe I don't want to do the same thing I've been doing my whole life and I want to do something new. Great. Fantastic. Retirement, death sentence.
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So I would ask, one, how physically active you are. If you're not dealing with somebody who has been regularly exercising for a while and hitting all five dynamic categories, you don't want to go near them. The number one correlate with health and longevity over time is leg strength, believe it or not.
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Yeah, it's wild. And we can talk about why and whatever. I don't think you can ask incoming, you know, employees, hey, what do you squat? Maybe you can. But it actually like if we're going to ask, put politicians in office in their 80s, those questions become really freaking relevant. Like that's the those are things you really want to know. Are you engaging in challenging creative social activity?
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Like are you that those things become a checklist? for folks over 50. Identity, match fit, self-forgiveness, forgiveness of others. You don't get access to the cognitive superpowers without those things. So those are the kinds of questions you want to poke at to make sure are being checked off. Those sorts of things. Are you engaging in
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challenging creative social activities that demand dynamic deliberate play and take place in novel outdoor like that those things not they become a checklist and they become if you want to work here and you're over this age you got to do this because we need you but we need this version of you and the most important thing is i look for older adults with much younger friends
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Steven Kotler: How to Stay Sharp, Strong, and Healthy at Any Age | Mental Health | YAPClassic
Yeah. So there's a bunch of stuff on the cognitive side. Let's get back there in a second. On the physical side, there's five main categories that matter. And let me, since a lot of your listeners are younger, let me start here, which is peak performance aging starts young. The research is really clear. Interventions in your 80s, even beyond Matter, like really matter.
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I want to see those cross-generational friendships because older adults over 40, 50, one of the reasons they're not to be trusted is because they don't get the job because they're just too out of touch and things have changed. And there's a lot of stuff that changes and stays the same. And you sort of want the older adults around for that reason.
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But you also being old is not an excuse for not keeping up. either. Like what I'm telling you is you've got access to more brain power. So like, it's really not an excuse as far as I'm concerned. So I think it's got to be mutual. And I think the benefits are going to be amazing if it can be mutual.
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You can you can really make changes right up to the end and they matter and they're going to have actual big effects. But a lot of the stuff that you want to start working on, you actually want to start working on your 20s and your 30s. And, you know, this is the biohacking crowd is very aware of this. Right. A lot of that crowd is 20s and 30s and they're doing a lot of these things.
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So it turns out that both preserving physical abilities and cognitive function, leg strength is the single largest factor. Now, cognitive function is weird. Some of it has to do with bone density. Again, we're back to the bones and the big bones in your legs. And if they're dense, they're not losing their minerals, their nutrients, they can feed the brain.
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The second part is that if you're not mobile, you don't have a social life. it's a lot harder to have a social life. If you don't have a social life, you are not going to aid successfully.
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And in fact, if you don't have a social life peak performance, you're just sort of locked out of peak performance because you social support for a lot of different psychological safety reasons and just performance reasons. It's really important to have social support and
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part of that like you can get really great social support on the telephone on zoom we all learned that during covid but there is something to be said for in-person oxytocin right i always tell people if you if for whatever reason you're like stuck with the phone and zoom Make sure you pet a dog for at least eight minutes a day, a dog or a cat.
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Petting an animal for about five to eight minutes also releases oxytocin and some of those other pro-social chemicals. So if you're stuck on, we need social support for performance. We definitely need for peak performance aging. Animals are our friends here.
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Now, I might argue that they're doing some of the wrong stuff because they don't quite understand what peak performance aging is. But besides the point, a lot of this stuff starts young. On the physical side, we want to train five skills that matter most. Strength, stamina, flexibility, agility, and balance. Those are the five skills that you want to train over time. And this is not new knowledge.
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So let's back up one step and talk about learning, like where you started. I just want to start where you started, which is, so if you want to stave off Alzheimer's, dementia, cognitive decline, right? Fluid intelligence, what matters? Lifelong learning. Why is that?
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expertise and wisdom are the two most important things we can do to develop what's known as cognitive reserve so if you have a high cognitive reserve you could even have advanced alzheimer's meaning you die they autopsy your brain you've got tangles and plaques everywhere and it just looks like your brain's mush and you're still nobody would notice if you were alive this was so some of the early research that happened they started autopsying brains and being like whoa this person had advanced alzheimer's how the hell did they function so well up till age 100 what is it
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expertise in learning or to expertise in wisdom, which are two different things. But the important thing here is they're big, broad networks, and they're in the prefrontal cortex. The prefrontal cortex is where it's most vulnerable to cognitive decline. It's the newest brain structure from an evolutionary perspective, and it's the most vulnerable.
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You don't suffer cognitive decline like deep in your brainstem. It's impervious. But the prefrontal cortex is where it shows up. Expertise and wisdom live in the prefrontal cortex. And there's these diverse networks, lots of redundancy, lots of backup. So this goes down. You got seven other copies over here. Don't worry about it. So that's where you have to start with lifelong learning. And
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You want to do everything you can to maximize learning for that very reason. So what do we know about learning? One of the best ways to maximize learning is authentic learning. This is a big movement in education right now, but, and it's based on a whole bunch of different stuff, but let me just talk about one thing.
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So their attention, you can't learn anything, obviously, without focus or attention, right? Like paying attention is the gateway for learning. Attention is a coupled system. It's linked to autonomy. And autonomy means we like driving the bus. We like being in charge of our own lives, right? We can't pay maximum attention to something if it's not sort of by choice, authentic attention.
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Learning means we learn based basically exactly on who we are. So it got a bad name early on because people started talking about learning styles. Are you a visual learner or an auditory learner? And that's absolute nonsense. Like that's actually not true. No, we're all those things. It depends on what we're learning and how we're wired. And it changes over time. And that's not actually.
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But what is true is everybody shows up somewhere on the introversion, extroversion scale. Introverts need to learn in private. Extroverts want to learn in public. We're somewhere on the risk aversion scale. Like we have all have, I'm this fearful and you can only be pushed so far. And like, so those authentic learning is about like those kinds of questions, the questions that really matter.
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And so, you know, one of the most important things for me is I'm an introvert. I don't mind being bad at stuff, but I don't like being bad in public. So we and most terrain parks are actually under chairlifts and very, very visible. So I would take these park tricks into the side country in the back country in the woods and learn them out of sight with my friends.
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Like the World Health Organization knows exactly how many minutes a week we should be training these things. But peak performance aging, It's 150 to 300 minutes of hard aerobic training a week, moderate to vigorous aerobic training a week, two strength training days a week, and three flexibility, balance, and agility days a week. Or you can find one skill.
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And then I could go back like trying to do it the other way was impossible for me. I don't. work that way and you can keep there's a lot more to authentic learning but the big point here is also taking on these kind of NAR style challenges late in life like learning how to park ski or whatever phenomenal for peak performance aging but you need a lot of motivation and it turns out we have like
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We are driven towards authenticity. Carl Rogers argued that it functions as a fundamental drive. A fundamental drive meaning it's got as much power as a drive for sex or food or shelter. You have a drive to be yourself, your authentic self. And if you get it right, you get a huge boost in motivation, which is crucial for all this stuff.
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So you learn better on the back end and you're more motivated to learn on the front end. And being that there's a lot to do in peak performance aging and it can be challenging, you want all the help you can get, right? In Art Impossible, I talk about One of the things peak performers are really good at is they never meet a challenge around a single fuel source. We know this food-wise, right?
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Like you want carbs, protein, and fats before you're going into workout. Same thing with motivation. You want authenticity. You want autonomy. You want passion, purpose. All these big intrinsic motivators, curiosity, you want to stack them on top of each other because it maximizes our motivation.
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Well, anything that requires seeing things from other people's perspectives and multi-perspectival thinking, you're just better at. It's harder to do when you're younger because of how the ego functions and how the it when you're older. You can meditate a lot to sort of lower cognitive bias and do those things, but it's going to start to happen naturally when you're older.
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So to me, the big one, the cool one is the systems thinking part because like one of the commonalities among all the biggest brains I've ever met, all the real, the people who really can affect change in the world, they're all systems thinkers. And it's really hard to train people how to be systems thinkers. It's a tough skill to bring on. Certain careers force you to learn it in different ways.
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Writing, especially if you write books, because you have to hold 400 pages in your head and move it around and be able to do stuff like that. have to be able to hold the big picture. It's sort of built into the job and it's trained up over time, but it's not trained up in a lot of jobs. Mostly we specialize, especially in the modern world. We specialize, we specialize, we specialize.
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And one of the things that I want to point out here is And anybody who's ever worked in entrepreneurship, innovation, like, you know, all the big innovations are in the cracks between disciplines. It's very hard to innovate inside that same funnel that everybody's been in for 50 years.
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But you move adjacent to where that funnel touches something, and suddenly there's a revolution waiting to happen. And that's how you build companies and world-changing companies and everything else. You can't see that shit if you're not a systems thinker. It's completely invisible to you. So the thing that I think is the most exciting over is that.
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I chose park skiing in the book that accompanies all that, right? In park skiing, I'm using strength, stamina, balance, agility, flexibility. There's other stuff you want to do. There's ways. We have things called prime mover muscles, our big muscles, and then we have stabilizer muscles like your rotator cuffs or your hip flexors.
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Let me back this story up a little bit to tell you a story that's not in the book.
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That is where this actually starts. So people may know this or not know this. For almost the past two decades, my wife and I run a hospice care dog sanctuary. So for two decades, we've done hospice work with dogs. We have a healing methodology that's based on it's very low tech. It's flows. It's like lifestyle interventions in a sense.
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Some flow science, some evolutionary psychology, nothing really fancy. Our dogs all get checked out by vets when they come to us. Before they come to us, they come from shelters. But we specialize in the worst of the worst. So if you are a geriatric chihuahua with an abusive past, three legs, one eye, cancer, heart disease, mange, and flatulence, you're our guy. That's who we work with.
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And the vets would be like, we did get these dogs. Dogs would be like, don't get attached. This dog is going to live a month, month and a half at most. This is about to provide a very good death. And we bring the dogs in. And mind you, we've over 700 dogs passed through our facility and over 5,000 are our program. So big sample size.
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And on average, our dogs wouldn't live another month or six weeks. They would live another three, four, five years.
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You translate into that human numbers. That's right. You get seven years for every year. So like the top end of that, you're getting an extra like 28 years, 30, like what the fuck is going on? Pardon my language. So I started to ask questions like, what's going on? Why is this working? What are we doing? And will it work in humans? Like, would any of this stuff work in humans, right?
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And it turns out almost everything I were doing with the dogs exists in these so-called blue zones, which is what led me to the blue zones in the first place. So Dan Buehler is a National Geographic reporter in the early 2000s noticed that there were places on the planet where people lived on average 12 years longer than everybody else. And they're all over the place.
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And he wanted to know, well, what are the commonalities? And he did a whole bunch of research. The research is a little controversial. The controversy is not on the lifestyle stuff. It's on the, there's some stuff that has been turned into supplements and is dietary. And those are the open, and those questions are open. There's no argument on sort of the lifestyle stuff with the blue zone.
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And the commonalities are really like move around a lot, regular exercise, right? De-stress regularly. So have rituals. meditation, exercise, gratitude practices, breathing work, whatever it is, walking in nature. I don't like have rituals to de-stress regularly. A ton of stuff on social belonging and connection. This is why challenging social activities matter so much.
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This is built into blue zones. There's also this respect for the elders and these cross-generational friendships. They're built into blue zones. There's some evolution. I mean, they eat healthy. They eat less than most people and they eat very, very healthy diets. But like,
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Over time, the body gets more efficient and it will start using the prime movers and not use the stabilizer muscles. So if you've been on the couch for a while and you come back to athletics, you're not going to hurt your quad. You're going to tear the stable out. You're going to tear your hip flexor because it stopped doing the work.
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There's no one diet across the boards that like works for everybody, but those are sort of the commonalities and they live with passion, purpose, and regular access to flow. And these were all things that we were providing for our dogs in very, like, for example, they get social belonging and connection. They really emphasize it. You're in the blue zones.
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Some of them, people will spend six hours a day hanging out with friends or family. So a lot of it with our dogs, we had enforced petting time. So when you have a lot of dogs, like, At various times, we've had 40, 50 dogs. It's hard to individual petting time. You have to like, oh, I got to hang out with this dog. But we would do it because we wanted these neurochemicals underneath that.
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Same thing with flow. We'd find ways to put our dogs into flow. Flow is really important to peak performance aging for a lot of different reasons. But the state is a really positive, powerful, emotional state. And some of the emotions that show up in flow stimulate the production of T cells and natural killer cells.
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So T cells fight diseases and natural killer cells fight tumors and sick cells and other diseases of aging. So when we get into flow, it lowers inflammation, which is tied to all the causes of aging. It peruses T cells, natural killer cells, a lot of benefits, and it boosts the immune system. So this was the stuff we were doing in our dogs. This is stuff that's going on in the blue zone.
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This is stuff we now
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widely know correlates to healthy longevity this isn't really peak performance aging it's sort of successful aging healthy aging right at this point it's like it should be common sense for everybody really is really what it should be but one of the things that's interesting is you also see a high a lot of the places where there are blue zones you see a lot of action sport and outdoor athletes do
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Colorado, Pitkin County, Colorado, and Eagle County, Colorado, and Loma Linda, California are the four places in America where people, these are the blue zones. Summit, Pitkin, and Eagle, this is Colorado. That's Vail, Aspen, Beaver Creek, all the big ski areas, a lot of outdoor stuff. And in Loma Linda, that's a Seventh Day Advance.
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population and they're very social very flowy good dietary stuff a lot of belonging a lot of so like it's the same stuff um and a lot of outdoor activities surfing and because it's california on the ocean right they and they take advantage of that stuff too
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Well, one, it is completely erroneous, though myself and Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi are totally at fault for this. We are to blame. But the idea that flow only shows up in athletes and artists is not true. We focused a lot on athletes and we focused a lot on artists. So people think it's only athletes and artists, but The most common flow state on earth is reading or interpersonal flow.
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Interpersonal flow is like the group flow. You and your best friend get into a great conversation and a whole hour goes by and you don't notice it's gone. That's interpersonal flow. Happens all the time. So one of the reasons you want to engage in challenging creative and social activities, they all trigger flow. So singing in a choir, very, very flowy. Group flow, lots of research on that.
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Your quad, if you're walking around, your ambulatory is working. Your hip flexor has started to atrophy. So there's ways you want to think about training that's a little bit different. if you've been away for a while. But those are the physical skills we need to train over time. On the cognitive side, it's a really long list.
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Gardening, very flowy. Long walks in nature. You know, nature is very, very flowy. Coding, architecture, drawing, drumming, dancing, on and on and on. I mean, there's a ton of flow at work. In fact, flow is much more common at work. than it is during leisure for a bunch of different reasons. But the list sort of goes on and on and on.
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If we want to enjoy the second half, if we want to enjoy our lives in general, but if we really want to thrive during our second half of our lives, you can't do it without flow. Flow is actually the engine of adult development. It's how we grow up. We grow up by getting into flow states, coming out the other side is more complex, more skillful, more adaptive,
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more empathetic, wiser, and we move forward. Like, so it plays a big role in adult development and successful in peak performance aging.
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You can double down on your primary flow activity. which is whatever the thing you've done most of your life that just drops you into flow. For me, it's skiing, right? For my wife, it's long walks with the dogs. For my best friend, it's playing guitar. Whatever that thing that most likely drops you into flow. Flow massively amplifies, among other things, motivation, productivity, and creativity.
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And here's the cool thing. Even though a flow state lasts about 90 minutes, sometimes it can stretch out for longer. The heightened productivity and creativity will outlast the flow state by a day, maybe two. Flow also resets the nervous system. It calms you down, flushes stress hormones out of your system. So emotional regulation, emotional management, fear blocks, performance on every level.
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Flow resets the nervous system. And the thing is, it's most people, and especially all the people listening to this podcast, are going to be like you. You got to your 30s and you stopped skiing. You put down childish things. The skis go away, the surfboard goes away, the skateboard goes away. You stop samba dancing and salsa dancing and all that stuff. And the research shows that's a disaster.
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It's a disaster. In fact, we work with tons of people all over the world and burnout is a real big issue. The first thing we do to treat burnout is have them double down on the primary flow activity. Research shows that if you want peak performance, you need to have like about three to four hours a week on your primary flow activity just to keep your nervous system where it needs to be.
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And let me pause there, let you ask another question, then we'll get to the stuff on the cognitive side because we'll spend the next 20 minutes, I'll spend the next 20 minutes talking.
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Flow Research Collective is my organization. We're a research and training organization. On the research side, we study the neurobiology of peak human performance, what's going on in the brain and the body when we're performing at our best.
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We did this work with scientists all over the world at Stanford and Imperial College London and UCSC and UCLA and UC Davis and USCSF and a whole bunch of other academics. And we take the science and we use it to train people.
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We train people in 130 countries and we train everybody from like professional athletes and members of the special forces to soccer moms and insurance brokers and teachers and folks in the Air Force. And we work with a lot of companies in between. So I think now we're training Facebook or Meta, Accenture, Bain Capital, Audi, San Francisco Police Department, the Air Force.
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wise watch people and our trainings are for everybody and if you're interested if you go to getmoreflow.com cheesiest url in the world but nobody was remembering any of the others so i've given in and it's now getmoreflow.com despite the fact that i'm embarrassed to say it out loud but you can go there and sign up for a free uh hour-long coaching call with somebody on my staff.
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So you'll hear all about the trainings. You'll learn everything. Is it right for you? Is it wrong for you? Nobody on my staff gets every, I'll fire somebody if they try to sell you anything. It's just an informational conversation. So it's really mellow and most people get a lot out of it and it's free, getmoreflow.com.
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It's just hard work. I'll give you an example. I came up as a journalist and I figured out very early on that most journalists hated rewriting. They'd write their story, they'd edit it, They'd turn it in, the editor would make changes and they'd rewrite it once and turn it back in. I found that out. I was like, okay, you guys are doing it three times.
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Clearly my job is to make my editor's job easier. Like my job editor has to like really comb through my articles and takes months. He hates me. That's not, you know, I'm not a good employee. So I started editing my stories 12 times. I just figure out what everybody else would do and I'd triple it or quadruple it. I did that for years. It wasn't much of a secret.
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I just figured I wasn't as smart, as well-connected, as handsome and all the other things as everybody else, but I just figured out how to outwork them. A lot of it is about smart hard work, not just hard work. There's better ways to do it.
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I talk a lot about that in our country, about the advantages of smart hard work and smart hard play, and the difficulties with just hard work is the only tool you reach for. But really, Like, there's no secret. I just put my butt in the chair and I did the work.
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Nar Country, you can go to narcountry.com or Amazon or wherever books are sold. StephenCotler.com gets you to me. FlowResearchCollective.com gets you to the Flow Research Collective. GetMoreFlow.com gets you to our trainings. I think that's it.
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My pleasure. It was great hanging out with you again.
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Okay, we got to get to the full sentence anyway.
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Throw it out there and then we'll break it apart and why it matters so much.
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So if you want to rock till you drop, if you really are interested in peak performance aging, you need to regularly engage in challenging creative and social activities. That is, you've just pointed out that demand dynamic, deliberate play and take place in novel outdoor environments. Now let's unpack what this big ass sentence and what it means and why it answers your question.
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So challenging social and creative, lifelong learning matters for a bunch of different reasons, but short version, if we want to preserve brain function, we need expertise and wisdom.
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expertise and wisdom are these very diverse neural nets in the brain lots of real estate lots of redundancy impervious to cognitive decline the more expertise the more wisdom and this is why one of the reasons performance aging starts young like literally the guy who who did the core research on wisdom elkanon goldberg his core advice is the more wisdom the more expertise the more we have cognitive reserve the meaning the more we can stave off alzheimer's dementia
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cognitive decline, all the things that are going to happen, could happen to the brain over time. This is how we fight back. And his point was wisdom among the many things encapsulated in wisdom are all like the unconscious rules that govern how do systems work? How does behavior work? All the, like all that stuff. It's, onboarded slowly over time. So you want to start training these things.
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You want to start learning. Challenging creative and social activities, we learn a lot during. They also tend to drive us into flow. Social activities are really important as we age. The most important thing you can do for your brain is maintain social activity because it keeps the brain active in really important ways and really lowers stress levels.
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So a lot of stuff we're going to be talking about, there are nine known causes of aging. They're all linked to inflammation. Inflammation is linked to stress. So anything you do that fights stress, that lowers stress, that gives you more emotional control is involved in peak performance aging. So social activities lower stress. They give us these pro-social.
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Oh, there's people around who love me, got my back. I can be a little less stressed. So there's a lot of that stuff. Dynamic, deliberate play is the next bit. Dynamic is literally what we've been talking about. It's just a fancy way of saying, He did all five categories of functional fitness, strength, stamina, flexibility, balance, agility, deliberate play. You've heard of deliberate practice.
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Anders Ericsson's favorite expertise, repetition with incremental advancement is the fastest path for his expertise. And Anders wasn't wrong, but as he himself said, that's only true in certain very precise disciplines. And when faced with just general learning, deliberate play works better than deliberate practice. Deliberate play is repetition with improvisation.
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You're going to do the same thing you did last time, but a little bit of flourish, a little flower, a little something fun. It's playful, meaning there's no shame. There's no embarrassment. If you're bad, who cares? You're having fun. But that feeling of play produces more neurochemistry, more endorphins. This one really boosts the immune system, lowers stress levels, but amplifies learning.
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So dynamic, deliberate play says I'm using all the physical skills that decline, and I'm learning better than any other way. Novel outdoor environments, the last bit. Why do we care? And this is back. Action sports demand dynamic, deliberate play. They take place in novel outdoor environments, and they're challenging, creative, and social. So one-stop shopping.
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The last bit is the most important bit. One, outdoor environments in general lower stress. We know this. This is well-established in positive psychology. A 20-minute walk in the woods will outperform most SSRIs for treatment of depression. I can talk about why if you care, but we know that. Good for you, lowers stress.
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So in itself, being in nature is anti-inflammatory, so it's better for healthy aging. But if you want to preserve brain function, how do you do that? You want to birth new neurons and turn those new neurons into neural nets. That's learning. So the adult brain, contrary to what we used to believe for a long time, it actually does continue to birth new neurons.
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In fact, the adult brain will birth about 700 new neurons a day, even basically until you die. But where do those neurons show up is the key question. They show up in a part of the brain known as the hippocampus. The hippocampus does two things. It does long-term memory and it does location, place. It's packed with place cells and grid cells. Why? We evolved as hunter-gatherers.
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When you were in the wild and something emotionally charged happened, you've got to remember where you were when it happened. That's survival. So where did I get attacked by that tiger so I don't go back there? Where was that ripe fruit tree? So when it comes into season, I'm hungry, I can go there. This is survival. This is what the brain is designed to do.
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Peak performance and peak performance aging is always getting our biology to work for us rather than against us. Our biology is designed to remember when we have novel experiences in outdoor environments. So that's what you want to use it for. Action sports gives you that.
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Now, I also say in the book that like if action sports aren't your thing, you can duplicate a lot of this by simply hiking with a weight vest. And weight vests are really key, better than a lot of other things because they amplify bone density.
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Little known fact, your bones, like where you store all your minerals, all your nutrients are stored in your bones and they're released into... So everything that drives the brain, calcium, for example, which is in everything the brain does, it's stored in the bones. So as our bones become less dense over time, which happens... It impacts everything.
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For women, really important after menopause, where does most of your estrogen come from? Your bones. So wildly fluctuating hormonal levels, which is a problem that most people have post-menopause, exacerbated by bone density. If you want to increase bone density, one of the best ways is hiking with a weight vest. There's lots of literature. There's lots of science on that.
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There's also a bunch of other benefits, but it hits all of those categories if you're not interested in action sports. That said, there's a lot to recommend in action sports, especially a lot of our country is about a new way of approaching these difficult, challenging physical activities late in life that's much safer and much more well-suited to progression.
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So there's a couple of things you need to know to flesh this out a little bit. But you are right. Everything you said is totally true. Why did I think I could learn to park ski?
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There's a whole bunch of new stuff in like flow science, my field and body cognition, a couple other whiz bang fields that I was like, you know, if these things are right, should be totally possible for older adults to be able to learn really, really difficult skills. I'll give you like one random example. We have a motor learning window.
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Like Beverly says, don't become a gymnast or a ballet dancer after 25, right? Because that window's closed and you can't just, that's sort of true. There is like a lot of things in big performance aging. It's true, but, and here's the but, what really changes is not our ability to learn. It's how we learn. When we're kids, we play. When we're adults, we have shame. We have embarrassment.
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We have time crunches. We have a whole bunch of other stuff. If you can shift back into that attitude of play, a lot of that motor learning window reopens. So that's just one example. A lot of the skills that we used to think declined over time. We now know their use it or lose it skill, including the skills we need to learn how to park ski. So that was sort of where it came from.
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I was an expert skier. I just had never parked. I knew no tricks. I was a big mountain skier. I could go in a straight line very fast, really well. But park skiing is like it's you take it. doing tricks off jumps and on rails and wall rides. It's very acrobatic. It's very dangerous. So it was a totally new adventure for me. There were a lot of reasons to take it up.
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There were a lot of advantages about knowing how to park ski later in life was actually what I was after. But it was just a great way to test all this science. And when we learned, and here's what's cool, So I made to, to, to measure progress. I made a list of 20 tracks.
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This is zero to like intermediate, intermediate matter, because once you get there, you're sort of like, you take the random shit out of the equation. Like you can control your progress and not have these accidental falls or things that really can get you hurt early on. I figured if it took five years, cool, whatever. Like I didn't care. I started when I was 53.
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If it took me to a 60, great, whatever, who cares? I did it in under a season. In fact, I've never learned anything so fast in my entire life. And the cool part was my ski partner, who was your age and was a former professional athlete who got very injured, retired, had a family, had a job, came back to the sport. He used the same methodology and got farther than he's ever gotten before.
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Yeah, yeah. That's where I get my name, Snake, from. I ain't afraid of him. Never have been, except when I was a kid. Yeah. People gets mad. They get over it. You know, they realize stuff later on down the road.