Danny Jones Podcast
#294 - Psychic Spies, Scientology & Best Evidence for Life After Death | Jeffrey Mishlove
Thu, 03 Apr 2025
Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Jeffrey Mishlove is a clinical psychologist who holds a doctoral diploma in parapsychology. He is the author of an encyclopedic volume of consciousness studies, The Roots of Consciousness & host of New Thinking Allowed on YouTube. SPONSORS https://trueclassic.com/danny - Upgrade your wardrobe & save. https://stopboxusa.com/danny - Use code DANNY to get BOGO StopBox Pro + 10% off. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS Jeffrey's YouTube channel: @NewThinkingAllowed FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Shared death experiences 14:56 - Parapsychology 22:43 - Jack Sarfatti, physics & consciousness 26:19 - Uri Geller spoon bending 31:33 - L Ron Hubbard 40:29 - Scientology & remote viewing 43:17 - The PK man, Ted Owens (a real psychic) 01:00:22 - Trust in Government 01:14:33 - Consciousness 01:23:36 - Retrocausality & UFOs 01:31:16 - Robert Bigelow competition 01:40:46 - NDEs and Bigelow Aerospace 01:50:50 - Chris Bledsoe 01:57:43 - Does everyone have ESP? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What are shared death experiences?
thinking aloud jeffrey mishlove thank you for coming sir pleasure it's a pleasure to meet you likewise big fan of your show thank you one of my favorite parts not to just not to discredit all of your all of your episodes and all of the incredible interviews you've done but i just have to tell you the intro to your show is the favorite intro to a podcast i've ever seen in my life
Oh, that is the best jingle I've ever heard.
I want to steal it from you.
Yeah. It goes back to the 1980s.
1972.
1972. Yeah. And you used to do this on, was it the radio or was it television or how did this all start?
It started on the radio, KPFA-FM in Berkeley, California. If you had known me in 1972 when all of this began, I was a graduate student in criminology, the University of California.
Mm-hmm.
when I had probably the most powerful, mystical experience of my life. And it turned me around. I realized I could no longer continue on a career track which was focusing on the negative side of human deviance. crime and psychopathology. I was working in the psychiatric unit of San Quentin prison at the time doing group therapy sessions with murderers and rapists. How was that?
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Chapter 2: What is parapsychology?
25 years old. So what happened? My great-uncle Harry, who was thousands of miles away in Wisconsin, died. He died, it would have been 9.30 in the morning, his time, 7.30 my time. I was in bed, asleep, when he came to me in a dream. It was the most powerful dream I've ever had in my life. And I awakened from that dream. I was just sobbing tears of joy and singing at the same time. Singing?
Singing. What song were you singing? I was singing from my Jewish religious tradition, one of the most sacred songs. Which one? It's called Avinu Malkenu. It's only sung at what we call the high holy holidays.
Which one is that?
I'm trying to remember which one that is. How does it go? Avinu Malkenu. Oh, you woke up singing that. I woke up singing Avinu Malkenu. And crying. And crying. Tears of joy. I was so touched. And I wrote home. I said, how's Uncle Harry? I had a dream about him.
My mother phoned me as soon as she got my letter and said, how did you know Uncle Harry had just died, literally, at the moment of my dream? That's why... It would fit the definition of what is now known as a shared death experience. It's like he took me along with him partway for the ride.
And at that point, I said, I need to switch my career direction away from the negative side of human deviance to look at the positive side.
Well, that death is definitely a negative thing. I mean, that's kind of scary. No, it's not. It's not? No.
I mean, yes, we biological creatures are frightened by the thought of death, but it was the most beautiful experience. How so? Well, it's hard to put into language, into words, to tell you what joy I felt, that I would be just overwhelmed with this sense of peace and bliss and love. Hmm.
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Chapter 3: Who is Jack Sarfatti and how does he relate to physics and consciousness?
Who was the gentleman, Steve, that we had in here who did the study on near-death experiences? That was Jeffrey Long. Jeffrey Long came in here.
I don't know if you ever heard of him, but he was explaining to me how these people have experiences when, for example, when two people are in a car crash or a car accident together and one dies and one survives, the person who survives has a near-death experience and there's been multiple accounts where
The one that survived explained this near-death experience where them and the person they were with kind of ascended into this ethereal dimension. And the other one was like taken away. And then they came back down into their bodies. And this apparently is an account. I forgot the name of it. But I think it was something like shared. Something similar to what you said.
Very similar.
Chapter 4: What is the story behind Uri Geller's spoon bending?
But where they were both in the same situation.
Yeah. It often happens at a deathbed when grieving relatives are around a loved one who is dying, that they'll go along at least partway and experience the transition. What do you think that is? Well, I think it's like going home. I'm pretty convinced that we are much larger than our biological selves, that we also have a spiritual component to our psyche.
And the spiritual component, I don't know that it's infinite or eternal, but it's close. Much closer to that. It's much, much larger than just being a homo sapien here on planet Earth.
So that must have been an interesting transition for you. When you were in these prisons, you were spending your days interviewing essentially psychopaths, right? Like murderers, rapists, some of the worst human beings on Earth.
That's right.
And with your understanding of the human psyche and the makeup of the human condition, what do you think led you into the direction that you ended up going after you had this experience when you were 25? Yeah.
Well, I agonized over it. Like, how do I change my career? How do I find a path that will allow me to devote my lifetime to looking at what I call the positive side of human deviance, which is mysticism, creativity, psychic functioning, and intuition? And, you know, I was at one of the world's great universities, but they didn't have programs along those lines.
What university were you at? Berkeley. Berkeley. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. Were you reading books on this stuff prior? Did you know any? Have you heard any, like, crazy, phenomenal stories, exceptional stories about stuff like this before this happened?
Yeah. You see, I'm a child of the 1960s. Hmm. My undergraduate work went from 1965 to 69. I was exposed to the human potential movement. I was exposed to psychedelics. You were in college during the Vietnam War? Yes. The University of Wisconsin. Oh, wow. I did a senior honors thesis on the psychology of religious mysticism. So I was very aware of the literature at that point.
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Chapter 5: What are the connections between Scientology and remote viewing?
Yeah, for sure.
You know, I did those early programs in the San Francisco Bay Area. Right. And Terrence was there, and so many of the people I interviewed were there. I used to think of the Bay Area as the capital of the consciousness movement. What year did you interview him? Oh, it would have been in the 1980s. What? Okay, in the 80s. 80s, maybe 90s.
Okay.
Chapter 6: Who was Ted Owens, the PK man?
The TV program that I hosted, the original Thinking Allowed series, ran from 1986 to 2002.
Okay. I mean, you weren't in the Bay Area in the 70s. Yes, I was. Oh, you still were. Oh, yeah. When were the Manson murders? I don't remember. Yeah. Was that the same time?
Well, I think so.
69.
Okay. Yeah. August 10th, 69.
So I moved to the Bay area in 69.
Oh really? Okay. Yeah. I just arrived. You just got there.
In August. Yeah.
Um, so, so, um, again, Tom O'Neill was working in, I want to say it was like the year 2000, maybe he got, um, an assignment to write basically an article on the 30 whatever year anniversary of the Manson murders. Um, so we started doing that and, um, after about six months, he like, he wasn't interested in this at all for it to start off with.
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Chapter 7: What is the importance of trust in government?
He actually visited Jack Ruby, um, in prison multiple times before he died. So, and he was connected to the CIA. So anyways, that was a long tangent, but it's interesting that this was all going on the same time you were in that area.
Yeah, it was. When I think of the Bay Area as the capital of consciousness, you had both the high and the low.
So, okay. So you were talking to people like McKenna. You were talking to people like Jacques Vallée back in the day around the same time, right? Right. So this is just what you went into? You went into journalism, essentially?
Well- I was agonizing over what to do for months because there was no pathway at the university and I was a graduate student in good standing. And one day after months of trying to figure this out, I woke up with a certainty that the answer was going to come to me that day in a dream.
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Chapter 8: How is consciousness linked to UFOs?
And I changed my mind at that moment. And went to KPFA Radio in Berkeley, where I live, which was a nonprofit radio from the Pacifica Network. And I said, I'd like to volunteer. And they said, even though at that point I had a master's degree, they said, sure, sit at this desk. And when you hear the buzzer from people trying to get into the front door, push this button and let them in.
And I gladly did it. And within three weeks, I had learned how to produce a radio program. I had produced one. The program director liked it, and he said, we have a regular slot, a program called The Mind's Ear, every Tuesday and Thursday at noon. Would you like to host it? So within just a few weeks of my dream,
I'm sitting at a table like this with 10,000 people listening in on the conversation and world-class experts from everywhere who are on book tours coming through the San Francisco Bay Area. And all the subjects that interested me the most showed up.
And that gave me the confidence to go back to the University of California and take advantage of a very obscure rule they had, which is if you are a graduate student in good standing and you want to do a doctoral dissertation in a topic, where no department will sponsor you, but you can find three faculty members from different departments who are willing to sponsor you.
You can create your own unique, individual, interdisciplinary doctoral major. So I did that in parapsychology.
parapsychology yes okay for people listening for normies out there what is parapsychology parapsychology is the scientific study of extrasensory perception telepathy clairvoyance precognition and mind over matter or psychokinesis or telekinesis woo woo crazy out there stuff it well it is crazy out there but this we're talking about applying the scientific method
Yes. When I first learned about this stuff, I was like, this is bullshit. This is complete horseshit. There's no way this is real. These are... people out there that have just gone too far, read too many science fiction books until I realized about the program that was quite literally funded by the US military to do this stuff.
And if the US military and the CIA is willing to spend millions of dollars on this stuff, like David Morehouse explained, there's got to be something to it.
And the way he put it is, um, I think it was the way one of the, um, one of the generals explained to him or somebody in the intelligence agency explained to him, he goes, if there's a 1% chance that this works 1% of the time, it's worth a lot of money, especially during the cold war. So, um, And I've talked to, I don't know if you're familiar with Jack Sarfati.
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